Ashes 2013/14

[eastie]

Interesting that prior stayed at the crease after an edge onto the pads and the Aussies went to DRS which showed he was clearly out - no song and dance about prior not walking or was that because they won?

[john e]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

well that's just my view,
I don't agree with the assumption that there is no degrees cheating,
 if someone claims a throw in that's one thing, if someone bribes the ref to give a penalty that's considerably worse, there is no way in a million years that they should be dealt with in a similar fashion,

its the same as some one driving at 32mph in a 30 yes its illegal but not to the same extent as someone who goes and stabs someone to death
there are degrees in everything, and what Clarke and Broad did was an embarrassment to the game, I cant believe anyone could even contemplate excusing it, it was so blatent

I'm not excusing Broad and Clarke by any means. I just don't think they should be hung out to dry, whilst someone like Haddin, who admitted to edging the ball at Trent Bridge isn't given precisely the same treatment.

My point is that people seem to believe there is an acceptable level of cheating in sport, which I completely disagree with.

I think the illegal argument you make is a bit spurious. Degrees of cheating in sport isn't really comparable to the difference between speeding and stabbing someone to death.

they are not being hung out to dry though, most people think its alright to smack the ball and stand your ground,
I don't,
 therefore if Broad gets a bit of stick then he's only got himself to blame, I certainly wont be sticking up for him as I hate cheating in all its forms,
but as I said there are degrees and Broad and Clarke were cheating on the high end of that spectrum

that's just the way I feel, I can understand other viewpoints, I just not mine

[Monty]

Interesting that prior stayed at the crease after an edge onto the pads and the Aussies went to DRS which showed he was clearly out - no song and dance about prior not walking or was that because they won?

Exactly. I feel as well that Broad has unfairly been targeted because the decision to give him not out was so extraordinarily wrong. That's not his fault - if a batsman nicks it or launches it to mid-on, they will know either way - but it was such a mistake by the umpire that the Aussies got rather pissed off and needed to direct it at someone, and Broad has become the target.

[PaulWinch again]

Broad's not walking is not worse than anyone who has edged the ball and not walked. Also he didn't actually edge it that hard, the majority of the deflection was caused by Haddin's gloves. In any case I hope Trott gets better, it explains why he's trade mark concentration hasn't been there for a while now.

[spangley1812]

Get well soon Trotty

[VillaZogmariner]

All the shit with Broad in the press is pretty pathetic as well, as if no Australian has ever stood their ground when they know they've hit it, it was all a bit pantomime, not saying it was particularly wrong but I'd be far from 'revelling' in it, If the British press did the same I'd be ashamed (to be fair, they made Warner a bit of a villain, but the circumstances are rather different).

You mean like Michael Clarke did in Adelaide at the end of Day 4 in 2010 off the bowling of KP? Luckily England still had a review available.

[VillaZogmariner]

I'm in fairly consistent form for Corrimal Cricket Club as their opener, am used to the Australian wicket and pretty nifty at the old sledging lark - if this doesn't get me called up to replace Trott nothing will!

[willywombat]

Warners comments now look a million times worse because of the illness to Trot, but he wasn't to know that when he made them

maybe they were a bit insensitive, but that's Australians for you, I don't mind a great deal about what they say about each other, think we are coming over a bit precious to be honest

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,
people don't forget outright bad sportsmanship and if you go down that route be prepared to take the pain,
i'm not interested in the 'he started it' 'they did it first' load of bollocks, what Clarke and Broad did was horrendous, shamefull really,
 in 30 years time they will still be showing those clips on the telly to show what abysmal bad sportsmanship is all about, that's how embarrassingly bad it was

if we keep on bleating on about winning with class we might as well come home, the Ausies don't do that, so lets just beat the fuckers by fighting fire with fire without the blatent cheating

Well said Sir,  some of the posts in this thread are pathetic and conform to the Aussie stereotype of the whinging Pom. Winning with class my arse

[PaulWinch again]

I don't think anyone is saying we have to win with class, but there's a line. Also Broad's is no worse than all those before him including Haddin and Clarke in the summer.

[OCD]

I see the England squad aren't talking to the Australian media. I don't blame them but I don't know if it's the best thing to do.

[willywombat]

I don't think anyone is saying we have to win with class, but there's a line. Also Broad's is no worse than all those before him including Haddin and Clarke in the summer.

Oh yes they are! Broad took some stick and fair enough although I agree that he wasn't the first to stand his ground and I very much doubt he'll be the last .The media hype around it is clearly meant to stir up a bit of controversy and the Aussie tabloid media is no better or worse than the British press in that regard. Most Aussies I've spoken to about it respect the way Broad took it on the chin and came back firing. So far as the sledging goes it's playground stuff, Clarke was unlucky his comments were picked up by the stump mike and has been fined accordingly. Warner, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, says it as he sees it and although I've genuine sympathy with Trott and hope he can get over his issues he wasn't that wide of the mark when he said he didn't seem to have the stomach for the battle. I just think that people need to suck it up, get over it and get on with the game

[paul_e]

I don't think anyone is saying we have to win with class, but there's a line. Also Broad's is no worse than all those before him including Haddin and Clarke in the summer.

Oh yes they are! Broad took some stick and fair enough although I agree that he wasn't the first to stand his ground and I very much doubt he'll be the last .The media hype around it is clearly meant to stir up a bit of controversy and the Aussie tabloid media is no better or worse than the British press in that regard. Most Aussies I've spoken to about it respect the way Broad took it on the chin and came back firing. So far as the sledging goes it's playground stuff, Clarke was unlucky his comments were picked up by the stump mike and has been fined accordingly. Warner, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, says it as he sees it and although I've genuine sympathy with Trott and hope he can get over his issues he wasn't that wide of the mark when he said he didn't seem to have the stomach for the battle. I just think that people need to suck it up, get over it and get on with the game

So australians whining for 6months about Broad not walking is ok but British people being fed up it and thinking that the entire approach from Australia is disrespectful and without class are typical whining poms.  Nice.  I've never met anyone more prone to sulking when things aren't going well than an australian sports fan and their behaviour this year just backs it up.  I like the fact that threatening someone with a broken arm would only be playground stuff if it hadn't been picked up on the mic as well.

[aj2k77]

Nice to see a convict team celebrate winning their first test in 10 like they've won the whole thing. How times have changed.

[OzVilla]

I don't think anyone is saying we have to win with class, but there's a line. Also Broad's is no worse than all those before him including Haddin and Clarke in the summer.

Oh yes they are! Broad took some stick and fair enough although I agree that he wasn't the first to stand his ground and I very much doubt he'll be the last .The media hype around it is clearly meant to stir up a bit of controversy and the Aussie tabloid media is no better or worse than the British press in that regard. Most Aussies I've spoken to about it respect the way Broad took it on the chin and came back firing. So far as the sledging goes it's playground stuff, Clarke was unlucky his comments were picked up by the stump mike and has been fined accordingly. Warner, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, says it as he sees it and although I've genuine sympathy with Trott and hope he can get over his issues he wasn't that wide of the mark when he said he didn't seem to have the stomach for the battle. I just think that people need to suck it up, get over it and get on with the game

So australians whining for 6months about Broad not walking is ok but British people being fed up it and thinking that the entire approach from Australia is disrespectful and without class are typical whining poms.  Nice.  I've never met anyone more prone to sulking when things aren't going well than an australian sports fan and their behaviour this year just backs it up.  I like the fact that threatening someone with a broken arm would only be playground stuff if it hadn't been picked up on the mic as well.

The double standards in all this, even by Australia's high standards, is truly breathtaking.
 
Mathew Hayden was on TV the other day accusing England of being arrogant winners. Yes, that'd be the same Matthew Hayden that asked an English batsman who he was and what made him think he was good enough to play against Australia when he came out to bat.

Hypocrite of the highest order and I'm afraid he's not alone.

Nice to see 4 former Aussie Captains come out and slam Warner, in Mark Taylor, Allan Border, Steve   Waugh and Kim Hughes. Unfortunately though this doesn't fit the rabid media agenda here so it's hardly being reported. It's all about Hhayden and the unofficial spokesman of the Australian Cricket team, Shane Warne.

[Damo70]

I see the England squad aren't talking to the Australian media. I don't blame them but I don't know if it's the best thing to do.

That didn't impress me to be honest. I'm guessing it was mainly because of Trott, but as john e said you have to judge those comments on what was known or not known at the time and not with hindsight.