Ashes 2013/14

[john e]

Warners comments now look a million times worse because of the illness to Trot, but he wasn't to know that when he made them

maybe they were a bit insensitive, but that's Australians for you, I don't mind a great deal about what they say about each other, think we are coming over a bit precious to be honest

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,
people don't forget outright bad sportsmanship and if you go down that route be prepared to take the pain,
i'm not interested in the 'he started it' 'they did it first' load of bollocks, what Clarke and Broad did was horrendous, shamefull really,
 in 30 years time they will still be showing those clips on the telly to show what abysmal bad sportsmanship is all about, that's how embarrassingly bad it was

if we keep on bleating on about winning with class we might as well come home, the Ausies don't do that, so lets just beat the fuckers by fighting fire with fire without the blatent cheating

[aj2k77]

Warners comments now look a million times worse because of the illness to Trot, but he wasn't to know that when he made them

And that's why you don't make personal comments in the media over a game of bat and ball.

[aj2k77]

Also Clarke with his ''banter'' if say Mulumbu taunts Westwood tonight that he's going to get his leg broken would we be saying he's being a bit precious reacting to it?

[taylorsworkrate]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

[eastie]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

Allan border has come out and criticised warner for his comments - seems a nasty  piece of work that warner .

Regarding the cheating- there is nothing in the rules to state a player should walk after hitting the ball- its the umpires job to make a decision .
Some go your way and some don't - there have been many occasions of batsmen wrongly being given out - Its wrong that the Aussies made such an issue though as they are notorious for not walking.

[taylorsworkrate]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

Allan border has come out and criticised warner for his comments - seems a nasty  piece of work that warner .

Yep, he most certainly is. He hasn't learnt anything, despite his many indiscretions.

[Chris Smith]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

I agree and I don't think they're under any obligation to walk. If you want a game that is whiter than white then you take away part of the drama. 

In any case Captains should be a little more circumspect in their use of referrals then they wouldn't put themselves in that position.

[tomd2103]

Bad news about Trott.  Hardly surprising that some players will suffer in such way when they are constantly on the international treadmill and get hardly any break from it.

As for the Aussies, we've seen and heard it all before from them.  Thing is with them, they love to dish it out but can't take it when it is given back to them (still moaning about Bodyline to this day).  Time for the kid gloves to come off in the press and on the pitch.

[paul_e]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

I agree and I don't think they're under any obligation to walk. If you want a game that is whiter than white then you take away part of the drama. 

In any case Captains should be a little more circumspect in their use of referrals then they wouldn't put themselves in that position.

This was always my problem with it, they used their reviews really badly (I remember one of those 2 was going 3-4 inches down leg so it wasn't a 50/50 that they got unlucky with) and they've used the whole outrage at him not walking as a defence of their captain making shit decisions with the DRS.

[Dan.Pearce]

Should Trott have even got on the plane if this stress related illness had been on going for a while?

[john e]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

well that's just my view,
I don't agree with the assumption that there is no degrees cheating,
 if someone claims a throw in that's one thing, if someone bribes the ref to give a penalty that's considerably worse, there is no way in a million years that they should be dealt with in a similar fashion, yet they are both cheating and cheating is cheating in your view

its the same as some one driving at 32mph in a 30 yes its illegal but not to the same extent as someone who goes and stabs someone to death
there are degrees in everything, and what Clarke and Broad did was an embarrassment to the game, I cant believe anyone could even contemplate excusing it, it was so blatent

[tomd2103]

Should Trott have even got on the plane if this stress related illness had been on going for a while?

He should not have been near the plane if the extent of the illness had been known.  Saying that, he did reasonably well in the warm up games so I guess they probably hoped he had turned a corner.

[john e]

Warners comments now look a million times worse because of the illness to Trot, but he wasn't to know that when he made them

And that's why you don't make personal comments in the media over a game of bat and ball.

I'm not saying he did right, i'm saying we shouldn't make a big issue about it, it just makes us look weak
i'm sure Lillee, Hughes and a few of ours have said worse down the years, they just got on with it, doesn't make it right but it something that's been around in cricket for decades

[tomd2103]

I agree with Swann there. Compton hasn't burnt his bridges, he had a conversation with Flower about what he needed to be selected after the winter tour was announced. I'd call him up now, because we need options and I think Compton might have the character required.

Flower has already said that is not going to happen.
We have enough options , root or bell can step up to 3 and either Bairstow, ballance or stokes at 6 .
No need for Compton - don't panic pwa - we will win this series from here .

Got to be Bell for me.  Having the relatively inexperience of Carberry and Root at the top of the order does not inspire confidence.  Bell has batted there before for England and done well.

[taylorsworkrate]

Broad deserves the stick he's getting when you stand there like a twat after hitting the ball with a full clean shot, your going to get some stick,
 I know Clarke did exactly the same thing and hes also a cheating twat for doing it, we are not talking about nicks here but full batting strokes,

I completely disagree with this. Cheating can never be qualified by how blatant it is. Not walking after a faint nick is no more admirable than what Broad and Clarke have done.

It always perplexes me when people have a go at footballers for diving, but say nothing when players claim throw ins/corners etc knowing full well it isn't.

Cheating is cheating.

well that's just my view,
I don't agree with the assumption that there is no degrees cheating,
 if someone claims a throw in that's one thing, if someone bribes the ref to give a penalty that's considerably worse, there is no way in a million years that they should be dealt with in a similar fashion,

its the same as some one driving at 32mph in a 30 yes its illegal but not to the same extent as someone who goes and stabs someone to death
there are degrees in everything, and what Clarke and Broad did was an embarrassment to the game, I cant believe anyone could even contemplate excusing it, it was so blatent

I'm not excusing Broad and Clarke by any means. I just don't think they should be hung out to dry, whilst someone like Haddin, who admitted to edging the ball at Trent Bridge isn't given precisely the same treatment.

My point is that people seem to believe there is an acceptable level of cheating in sport, which I completely disagree with.

I think the illegal argument you make is a bit spurious. Degrees of cheating in sport isn't really comparable to the difference between speeding and stabbing someone to death.