Safe Standing - Fan led consultation - online link - post #43

[amfy]

Jamie Bolger's mother is another - but no-one who hasn't suffered similar tragedy is in a position to judge.

[dave.woodhall]

Jamie Bolger's mother is another - but no-one who hasn't suffered similar tragedy is in a position to judge.

Without a doubt. I suppose we expect everyone in that position to behave like Nelson Mandela.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I take it you're back home amfy?
Give us a text and we'll meet up.
Good news from the Football League's 72 clubs backing safe standing!
UTV!

[Richard E]

It's up to Mrs Aspinall what her opinion is, and I can understand why she feels like that, but surely the fundamental point is that the Hillsborough families have no right of veto over whether this happens or not.

[dave.woodhall]

It's up to Mrs Aspinall what her opinion is, and I can understand why she feels like that, but surely the fundamental point is that the Hillsborough families have no right of veto over whether this happens or not.

Sentiment aside, their opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.

[Ads]

Are we entering the start of the change here? Can we actually expect safe standing in the next few years?

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Just a matter of time Ads.
Just wish the media wouldn't keep taking such an emotional angle on things, which they always do, always citing Hillsborough.
It surely muddies any sensible debate on the subject, as folk more knowing and eloquent than myself have stated above.

(I stood for most of the game today. But not safely.)

[Simon Ward]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26141427

Interesting from Bristol City!

[amfy]

I was invited to this launch today but couldn't for because I've only just for back from a month of work. I think Lee Preece & Paul Faulkner are going.

[robbo1874]

Just a matter of time Ads.
Just wish the media wouldn't keep taking such an emotional angle on things, which they always do, always citing Hillsborough.
It surely muddies any sensible debate on the subject, as folk more knowing and eloquent than myself have stated above.

(I stood for most of the game today. But not safely.)

i was pretty shocked to learn from the stats that someone posted previously on this thread (if true) that 33 people died at Stoke in 1946 - never even heard mention of that.

I used to love going on the holte when it was a terrace. It was a little bit anxious at times with the crowding especially near the exits,  but kind of what you're used to in a way. But just the simple things they did when it had a bit of a refurb with the roof extension, painting the steps yellow and probably limiting the capacity a bit, took virtually any unsafe aspects likely to arise through overcrowding away. You'd still get  20k rather than 26k+ on it and never a nervy time of it due to overcrowding.

My point is instead of saying seats good terracing bad, why not just assess each standing area to see if it could be made safe to an acceptable level rather than flattening everything. I actually mourn the loss of the holte terrace more than the old trinity rd stand. I suppose no engineer wants their name on a bit of paper saying yeah the Holte's safe then 10 people die In a crush trying to exit the ground near a stairwell.

It's more than likely the risk caused to safety by terracing and it's consequence on insurance industry is 100% more likely to get your premiums increased to an uninsurable level.

[dave.woodhall]

Just a matter of time Ads.
Just wish the media wouldn't keep taking such an emotional angle on things, which they always do, always citing Hillsborough.
It surely muddies any sensible debate on the subject, as folk more knowing and eloquent than myself have stated above.

(I stood for most of the game today. But not safely.)

i was pretty shocked to learn from the stats that someone posted previously on this thread (if true) that 33 people died at Stoke in 1946 - never even heard mention of that.

I used to love going on the holte when it was a terrace. It was a little bit anxious at times with the crowding especially near the exits,  but kind of what you're used to in a way. But just the simple things they did when it had a bit of a refurb with the roof extension, painting the steps yellow and probably limiting the capacity a bit, took virtually any unsafe aspects likely to arise through overcrowding away. You'd still get  20k rather than 26k+ on it and never a nervy time of it due to overcrowding.

My point is instead of saying seats good terracing bad, why not just assess each standing area to see if it could be made safe to an acceptable level rather than flattening everything. I actually mourn the loss of the holte terrace more than the old trinity rd stand. I suppose no engineer wants their name on a bit of paper saying yeah the Holte's safe then 10 people die In a crush trying to exit the ground near a stairwell.

It's more than likely the risk caused to safety by terracing and it's consequence on insurance industry is 100% more likely to get your premiums increased to an uninsurable level.

It was at Bolton, but yes, it is the forgotten disaster, possibly because bad things didn't happen in the good old days. Someone also died in a crush at Villa Park in 1926.

[Legion]

Link to article

[Ads]

I was stood on the stairs last night, as were quite a few others. I am not sure if some people had jibbed in, as my seats were occupied and the people who were stood in my seats said their seats had been taken as well.

If we had scored, we would have gone piling down the stairs I would imagine.

[UK Redsox]

I was stood on the stairs last night, as were quite a few others. I am not sure if some people had jibbed in, as my seats were occupied and the people who were stood in my seats said their seats had been taken as well.

If we had scored, we would have gone piling down the stairs I would imagine.

There was no reason for anyone to be stood up in the away section last night and yet we all were.

I'd like to see the sitting down rule strictly enforced.

[Pete]

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Blimey, this is shocking: "The dead and injured were taken from the stand, with those who had perished lain along the touchline and covered in coats. A little under half an hour after leaving the pitch, the game was restarted, with a new sawdust lined touchline separating the players from the bodies. At the end of the first-half, the players immediately changed ends and started the second half. Stanley Matthews was on the Stoke team, and later said he was sickened that the game was allowed to continue."