Aston Villa v Newcastle United Post-Match Thread

[paul_e]

Clark is a liability. He is not a Premiership player. Neither is Baker but he is marginally better. Clark's actions practically gives the opposition a goal start.

We need to put Sylla in midfield to offer some protection.

Clark changed the game against Arsenal, we'd been on the ropes before he came on.  He was doing ok against Chelsea as well from what I recall.  I think Baker and Clark are both good enough to be in premiership squads, but neither is ready to start regularly right now.

The Okore situation is all a bit 'unknown' right now, until there is something official I'm not worrying about replacing him.

[dave.woodhall]

Clark is a liability. He is not a Premiership player. Neither is Baker but he is marginally better. Clark's actions practically gives the opposition a goal start.

We need to put Sylla in midfield to offer some protection.

Clark changed the game against Arsenal, we'd been on the ropes before he came on.  He was doing ok against Chelsea as well from what I recall.  I think Baker and Clark are both good enough to be in premiership squads, but neither is ready to start regularly right now.

The Okore situation is all a bit 'unknown' right now, until there is something official I'm not worrying about replacing him.

Start worrying. There's a story emanating from Denmark that he's done his cruciate. All the cub are saying is that he's being scanned.

[Toronto Villa]

Fuck me. Maybe we need to just stop buying Danish centre halves. We're cursed.

[Nev]

Clark is a liability. He is not a Premiership player. Neither is Baker but he is marginally better. Clark's actions practically gives the opposition a goal start.

We need to put Sylla in midfield to offer some protection.

Clark changed the game against Arsenal, we'd been on the ropes before he came on.  He was doing ok against Chelsea as well from what I recall.  I think Baker and Clark are both good enough to be in premiership squads, but neither is ready to start regularly right now.

The Okore situation is all a bit 'unknown' right now, until there is something official I'm not worrying about replacing him.

Start worrying. There's a story emanating from Denmark that he's done his cruciate. All the cub are saying is that he's being scanned.

I've just seen the name "Stas" tweeted by a journalist acquaintance of mine......

[PaulWinch again]

Clark is a liability. He is not a Premiership player. Neither is Baker but he is marginally better. Clark's actions practically gives the opposition a goal start.

We need to put Sylla in midfield to offer some protection.

Clark changed the game against Arsenal, we'd been on the ropes before he came on.  He was doing ok against Chelsea as well from what I recall.  I think Baker and Clark are both good enough to be in premiership squads, but neither is ready to start regularly right now.

The Okore situation is all a bit 'unknown' right now, until there is something official I'm not worrying about replacing him.

Start worrying. There's a story emanating from Denmark that he's done his cruciate. All the cub are saying is that he's being scanned.

Then we are potentially in serious trouble, neither Baker ar Clark are up to playing on a regular basis.

[paul_e]

Clark is a liability. He is not a Premiership player. Neither is Baker but he is marginally better. Clark's actions practically gives the opposition a goal start.

We need to put Sylla in midfield to offer some protection.

Clark changed the game against Arsenal, we'd been on the ropes before he came on.  He was doing ok against Chelsea as well from what I recall.  I think Baker and Clark are both good enough to be in premiership squads, but neither is ready to start regularly right now.

The Okore situation is all a bit 'unknown' right now, until there is something official I'm not worrying about replacing him.

Start worrying. There's a story emanating from Denmark that he's done his cruciate. All the cub are saying is that he's being scanned.

I've seen something similar but until something is announced we have no idea how serious it is, that's all I meant.

[JUAN PABLO]

If we had bought a Eriksen type £10 million player and got Barry on loan for experience , instead of another £7 million striker . I would not be to worried as we would have something to beat teams at home . At the moment the system PL is using is not going to work and he needs to sort it quick or we are going to struggle and will the players he bought in the summer be prem regular starters , we will have to wait and see , but I was hoping for players good enough to come in straight away and start .

Weimann has been poor but have we got anyone better who should start instead of him .  You would think so , but I dont know  .

[saunders_heroes]

Do t think I could stomach another season of seeing Vlaar lining up along side Clark/Baker. Oh dear.

[saunders_heroes]

so why is 1 poor performance enough to cause so much upset?

you are having a laugh ? one poor performance?   

so what are the other poor performances this season then?

I guess you're going to bring up that we've been shit at home for years, which is true, but also has very bearing on our performances this season, other than maybe a mental factor of the players being scared of playing at home.  Otherwise you're judging this squad on the performances of previous squads, which is pretty unfair.

Last season was littered with performances like the Newcastle one. You must have your head firmly buried in the ground if you can't see that.

This was a wind up right?  Or did you completely ignore the bit I've put in bold?

The next post after yours summed it up.

We seemed to ahve turned a corner with recent performances, even if results weren't matching them, but this was a relapse to what we saw for large prtions of last season.  Whether it's just a blip or not we'll find out at Norwich.

So, I stand by my assertion that a lot of the negative comments on here are effectively coming after 1 poor performance.  If we're this poor again in the next couple of games then we might be seeing a repeat of the last few years but 4 good performances and 1 bad (in my opinion at least) is the evidence we have to judge this squad on, and I don't think many of the comments in this thread are using that sample but instead are, as mentioned, judging things on the basis of last year.

I was pointing out your comment about judging us on one bad performance when in reality we've just had 12 months littered with performances like the Newcastle one.

[kippaxvilla2]

Does sound like a few of our players are having exactly what I feared - second season syndrome, at least at the outset. Hopefully they'll recover their form soon. I'm just not sure from what I've seen that Tonev (for Weimann) Bacuna (for Lowton or Westwood) are really ready to go into the side.

Given where we finished last season I dread to think of players having 2nd season syndrome as that would indicate they lit up the Premier League skies last season.  The only exception to that being the obvious.

[Brend'Watkins]

On reflection and having watched the highlights of the Everton Chelsea game I can't help but think Barry in either defence or midfield would have seen a different outcome in Saturday's result. No, he's not the future, I know, but he's steadying influence would be most welcome now.

[PaulWinch again]

On reflection and having watched the highlights of the Everton Chelsea game I can't help but think Barry in either defence or midfield would have seen a different outcome in Saturday's result. No, he's not the future, I know, but he's steadying influence would be most welcome now.

I said this previously there is no point planning for the future without dealing with the present. A player like Barry in the midfield would do our team a world of good.

[silhillvilla]

Lots of stick for baker and Clark when Vlaar is a major part of the problem. For a big bloke the amount of times he's beaten in the air and rolled off the ball is nowhere near PL standard.

[PaulWinch again]

Lots of stick for baker and Clark when Vlaar is a major part of the problem. For a big bloke the amount of times he's beaten in the air and rolled off the ball is nowhere near PL standard.

Vlaar's most consistent period of sustained fitness coincided with our best form last season. He may not be a great defender, but he is a very good leader. In a team with no other leader's he's important. I'm not a big fan of Baker, his positioning is woeful which is why he always lunges in. Clark lacks concentration and pace.

[PeterWithesShin]

Vlaar did alright on Saturday I thought.