Villa player loan watch

[supertom]

Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.

Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.

I certainly wouldn't bring anyone back early. But I do think when Jack is due back, he could have a part to play in the run-in. Perhaps Carruthers is more suitable given he's a little older and has been in and around the first team already. I'd be getting Johnson out on loan for a month or two as well. I think he might prove useful in the run in, because I suspect we'll do minimal business in Jan.

[SashasGrandad]

Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.

Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.

You need a mix of both, time away on loan, if it goes well have a month or 2 back at the club around the first team and maybe the odd cameo from the bench and see how it pans out.

However well planned a loan is the work in training won't be the same so that time back with the club is just to see what they've picked up, if there are any bad habits, etc.

Bad habits like scoring goals!

[paul_e]

Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.

Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.

You need a mix of both, time away on loan, if it goes well have a month or 2 back at the club around the first team and maybe the odd cameo from the bench and see how it pans out.

However well planned a loan is the work in training won't be the same so that time back with the club is just to see what they've picked up, if there are any bad habits, etc.

Bad habits like scoring goals!

Or playing slide rule passes into the path of runners from midfield (which for me was a far more significant contribution from young Jack than his goal at the weekend, it's a fantastic assist, the weight of the pass was exceptional).

[Mister E]

Paul_e: agree with the comment about Grealish's pass for the 4th goal; superb.

Re Bowery: perhaps we can convert him in to a decent CB?! we certainly need cover there.

[Smoke]

It's about playing games for Lambert.

He'll sign players from lower leagues and young players but all of them have played a lot of senior games for their previous clubs.

Lambert said when he arrived that we've not been using loans to progress our young talent anywhere near enough. in some cases to the detriment of their development.

[Matt Collins]

It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!

I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.

[JUAN PABLO]

Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack

Would like to see jack and Samir get some game time as the season progresses - both have that creative spark in them.

Personally I'd leave them out on loan.  I think playing week in, week out will develop them quicker than getting the odd cameo at Villa.

over half of Lamberts signing then

[dekko]

It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!

I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.

I might be making this up but I think Charlton were showing an interest on getting Grealish in on loan.  No need to rush him though, he's still very young.

Johnson and Carruthers on the other hand, they need to be playing week in week out at a championship club at their age I'd say.

[fredm]

Sorry but I don't see what all this bigging up of Johnson is. He went out on loan to Yeovil and if I recall correctly didn't break any pots there, in fact didn't he return early? He has not gone to another club on loan - has no one wanted him?  In the u-21 match at Liverpool when PL was there watching, he was fairly innocuous. I honestly don't think he is good enough to make it but I would dearly love to be proved wrong.

[PeterWithe]

I was told that the coaching staff rate Johnson highly but dont think he tries hard enough and pushes himself enough. 'He plays well within himself' was the phrase used.

[paul_e]

It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!

I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.

So only a 30yard pass can be exceptional?

The reason that pass is so good is that it is the perfect weight to make the keeper make a decision, he can come and try to make himself big or he can stay and try to save the shot but there was no chance he was going to get there ahead of striker.  Given there was enough on it that the defence were also completely taken out of the game as well I don't think I'm being over the top.  It's the kind of pass that Xavi uses to get his 15-20 assists a season, forgive me if I'm impressed to see it from an 18 year old kid.

The key thing is, from the first time I saw Grealish I thought he'd develop into a 10 and that assist sums up why I think that, he has the skillset to do it, as a club we need to do everything we can to ensure that we can keep progressing.

[Monty]

I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.

He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.

[fredm]

I was told that the coaching staff rate Johnson highly but dont think he tries hard enough and pushes himself enough. 'He plays well within himself' was the phrase used.

Think they have got it spot on. The lad has definitely got the ability now he has to use what is between his ears and make a decision as to what level he wants to achieve. Someone needs to sit him down and talk to him about The Moores and Delfeunso (sp) and where they are or if he wants to be a Gabby.

[eamonn]

I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.

He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.

I love the way you know your League 2 football well enough to differentiate who plays good football or not. And on a completely unrelated topic you're able to give a well-written précis of highly lauded Italian novels. H&V can be such an educational resource. For that reason Monty, you're my poster of the year.

[Monty]

I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.

He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.

I love the way you know your League 2 football well enough to differentiate who plays good football or not. And on a completely unrelated topic you're able to give a well-written précis of highly lauded Italian novels. H&V can be such an educational resource. For that reason Monty, you're my poster of the year.

I try to waste my life in all possible directions.