Quote from: amfy on September 04, 2013, 08:33:22 AMI have been in touch, and will be meeting the club about how I/we can help to push safe standing through. Basically, they need clear evidence that the fans want it. The evidence that fans stand anyway is not admissible, because the authorities don't view that as a movement for safe standing, they view as a bunch of troublemakers refusing to do as they are told. (I need to emphasise that this is not a personal view of people who stand - a lot of the time I am one of them)I have some ideas for canvassing, and have finally decided that I am going to give up some pre-match time to do it, even if it is just me. However, if any one is interested in working with me, the sooner we can get this done and the sooner I can go back to drinking. I have resisted doing this for ages because it is a disruption to my match day routine, but after Wednesday I did just reach the point where I thought that I can watch the atmosphere get progressively more docile season by season, or I can try to do something about it.......and I need to try.I, for one, wish that clubs/stewards would enforce the all seated rule at away games
I have been in touch, and will be meeting the club about how I/we can help to push safe standing through. Basically, they need clear evidence that the fans want it. The evidence that fans stand anyway is not admissible, because the authorities don't view that as a movement for safe standing, they view as a bunch of troublemakers refusing to do as they are told. (I need to emphasise that this is not a personal view of people who stand - a lot of the time I am one of them)I have some ideas for canvassing, and have finally decided that I am going to give up some pre-match time to do it, even if it is just me. However, if any one is interested in working with me, the sooner we can get this done and the sooner I can go back to drinking. I have resisted doing this for ages because it is a disruption to my match day routine, but after Wednesday I did just reach the point where I thought that I can watch the atmosphere get progressively more docile season by season, or I can try to do something about it.......and I need to try.
I prefer standing at away games if i'm honest. I know it's a bit selfish and totally inconvenient for the likes of Breezeblock's dad and that's such a shame really. Let's hope at some point safe standing comes back.
Quote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 11:25:20 PM As for safe standing I'm sure anyone interested could contact the club to find out if there is anything the fans can do to help so if you're interested try making contact. The club has made a clear commitment to the safe standing initiative so the fans need to show that it's something they want to push through, particularly groups like Brigada for whom such an area would be intended.I have been in touch, and will be meeting the club about how I/we can help to push safe standing through. Basically, they need clear evidence that the fans want it. The evidence that fans stand anyway is not admissible, because the authorities don't view that as a movement for safe standing, they view as a bunch of troublemakers refusing to do as they are told. (I need to emphasise that this is not a personal view of people who stand - a lot of the time I am one of them)I have some ideas for canvassing, and have finally decided that I am going to give up some pre-match time to do it, even if it is just me. However, if any one is interested in working with me, the sooner we can get this done and the sooner I can go back to drinking. I have resisted doing this for ages because it is a disruption to my match day routine, but after Wednesday I did just reach the point where I thought that I can watch the atmosphere get progressively more docile season by season, or I can try to do something about it.......and I need to try.I am thinking an hour or so pre-match, talking to people in your own stand about the law and the reasons why the club can't just let us stand now, and what safe standing looks like, and gathering supporters views (in a balanced way, not just the pro standing ones) We don't need a petition as there is already a generic safe standing petition online, and we would be petitioning the converted, the club want to move on this, they simply need evidence it is what we want. It would be more like canvassing, & getting an informed conversation going amongst the support. However, I'll know more after I've met up with the club and I'll get back to you. in the meantime it would be good to know whether anyone would help out, as it'd give me an idea what I'm up against. If my previous experience is anything to go by, it will be just me!
As for safe standing I'm sure anyone interested could contact the club to find out if there is anything the fans can do to help so if you're interested try making contact. The club has made a clear commitment to the safe standing initiative so the fans need to show that it's something they want to push through, particularly groups like Brigada for whom such an area would be intended.
Quote from: amfy on September 04, 2013, 08:33:22 AMQuote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 11:25:20 PM As for safe standing I'm sure anyone interested could contact the club to find out if there is anything the fans can do to help so if you're interested try making contact. The club has made a clear commitment to the safe standing initiative so the fans need to show that it's something they want to push through, particularly groups like Brigada for whom such an area would be intended.I have been in touch, and will be meeting the club about how I/we can help to push safe standing through. Basically, they need clear evidence that the fans want it. The evidence that fans stand anyway is not admissible, because the authorities don't view that as a movement for safe standing, they view as a bunch of troublemakers refusing to do as they are told. (I need to emphasise that this is not a personal view of people who stand - a lot of the time I am one of them)I have some ideas for canvassing, and have finally decided that I am going to give up some pre-match time to do it, even if it is just me. However, if any one is interested in working with me, the sooner we can get this done and the sooner I can go back to drinking. I have resisted doing this for ages because it is a disruption to my match day routine, but after Wednesday I did just reach the point where I thought that I can watch the atmosphere get progressively more docile season by season, or I can try to do something about it.......and I need to try.I am thinking an hour or so pre-match, talking to people in your own stand about the law and the reasons why the club can't just let us stand now, and what safe standing looks like, and gathering supporters views (in a balanced way, not just the pro standing ones) We don't need a petition as there is already a generic safe standing petition online, and we would be petitioning the converted, the club want to move on this, they simply need evidence it is what we want. It would be more like canvassing, & getting an informed conversation going amongst the support. However, I'll know more after I've met up with the club and I'll get back to you. in the meantime it would be good to know whether anyone would help out, as it'd give me an idea what I'm up against. If my previous experience is anything to go by, it will be just me! Good man, girl I hope some of the people who've been more vocal on here regarding this subject take notice of this, if you talk to the club in a reasonable way they are more than happy to work with supporters.I really hope you get some interest in with Amfy as I'd love to see safe standing introduced, just a shame I can't offer to help out.
I'm liaising with the fsf as well & they'll help me get the most out of what I'm doing in terms of getting other clubs involved too.
Away sections are crying out for terraces really. Back in the day we'd get seat and terrace allocations which would be ideal now for people in Breezeblocks situation and mine to a lesser degree with my 11 years lad.For these of you who are lucky enough not to be old enough to remember if you thought the celebrations for Lowtons goal at Stoke or the Gabby winners at blose was fun multiply that by 5 if standing on a terrace.We do need them back. What's the Liverpool take on it? I guess they would be influential in the process.