Brigada Corner

[PeterWithesShin]

Exactly, and why don't they tell the council to fuck off and cite the various other events that go on under their watch where the same stringent conditions are applied.

Im guessing that they remember the 70's and 80's where football as a whole was a very violent and dangerous place. They are probably shit scared that even this small group may start causing trouble. Quite possibly wrongly as I know a lad who sits in l8 and hes more likly to go home and watch harry potter than go out fighting after a game but unfortunatly the rules are there and the club have to follow them.

They don't follow them, though. There are plenty of matches where there are large groups of people standing, totally unbothered by the stewards.

I appreciate that it's easier to approach a group of 50 than 5,000, that goes without saying, but really, I wonder if the club's attitude to these people is affected by the fact they're young, enthusiastic and have a slightly different approach to supporting the team.

Ultimately football clubs want us all spending big bucks to get in, then sitting quietly in our seats. It's not entirely their fault that it is like that, but with things the way they are, that's definitely what they want.

I am not a defender of standing usually - mainly because I feel sorry for the people who want to sit down but can't because everyone else is standing - but it's hard not to believe the powers that be, at every level, just want a load of docile, no-bother middle class people buying their expensive tickets, sitting down not saying boo to a goose, and then fucking off on 90 minutes.

But Villa don't want us sitting on our arses quietly do they? If they did they wouldn't be one of the leading supporters to bring back standing.

[silhillvilla]

The entire Kop appeared to be on their feet for 95 mins today !?!?

[Legion]

The entire Kop appeared to be on their feet for 95 mins today !?!?

Someone had nicked the chairs.

[pauliewalnuts]

Exactly, and why don't they tell the council to fuck off and cite the various other events that go on under their watch where the same stringent conditions are applied.

Im guessing that they remember the 70's and 80's where football as a whole was a very violent and dangerous place. They are probably shit scared that even this small group may start causing trouble. Quite possibly wrongly as I know a lad who sits in l8 and hes more likly to go home and watch harry potter than go out fighting after a game but unfortunatly the rules are there and the club have to follow them.

They don't follow them, though. There are plenty of matches where there are large groups of people standing, totally unbothered by the stewards.

I appreciate that it's easier to approach a group of 50 than 5,000, that goes without saying, but really, I wonder if the club's attitude to these people is affected by the fact they're young, enthusiastic and have a slightly different approach to supporting the team.

Ultimately football clubs want us all spending big bucks to get in, then sitting quietly in our seats. It's not entirely their fault that it is like that, but with things the way they are, that's definitely what they want.

I am not a defender of standing usually - mainly because I feel sorry for the people who want to sit down but can't because everyone else is standing - but it's hard not to believe the powers that be, at every level, just want a load of docile, no-bother middle class people buying their expensive tickets, sitting down not saying boo to a goose, and then fucking off on 90 minutes.

But Villa don't want us sitting on our arses quietly do they? If they did they wouldn't be one of the leading supporters to bring back standing.

That's the way it is at the moment. I appreciate we wanted to run a trial but that's really not much in terms of opposing all-seating.

If there was any real desire amongst football clubs to bring back safe standing, it would have happened years ago.

I also wonder if it's just the standing that bothers them about these kids. It's them being different that they don't like.

[silhillvilla]

They are different in a good and positive way though aren't they ? Or am I missing something ?

[Small Rodent]

Is it probable that having a website that states that you intend to break a football grounds health and safety rules is grounds enough for being targeted?

[bertlambshank]

The entire Kop appeared to be on their feet for 95 mins today !?!?

Someone had nicked the chairs.

There was 2 rows at the front of the kop taped off today,Liverpool have had problems with their council as well.

[PeterWithesShin]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion. The main reason safe standing is no nearer is that it doesn't appear many other clubs want to join us in supporting it.

[bertlambshank]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion. The main reason safe standing is no nearer is that it doesn't appear many other clubs want to join us in supporting it.

Man City is the only other club I can think of.

[PeterWithesShin]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion. The main reason safe standing is no nearer is that it doesn't appear many other clubs want to join us in supporting it.

Man City is the only other club I can think of.

If say, 15+ plus clubs in both the top flight and Championship were as in favour of it as we are then it may be nearer to happening. We'll never know, but i'm disappointed so few clubs have supported the idea of it.

[pauliewalnuts]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion.

Those are two different points, though. Villa want to bring back standing is one point.

But currently, with no safe standing allowed, they want everyone sat on their arses. The fact they want standing returned (or to explore it happening) doesn't mean they're any less proactive as other clubs in trying to get people to sit down and shut up in the meantime.

The thing I don't understand is why are they so selective about when they decide to do something about it? Is it coincidence that it's these people who are not just standing up, but also making a racket?

[basavfc]

"Safe Standing Campaign aims: To persuade the Government, football authorities and football clubs to accept the case for introducing, on a trial basis, limited sections of standing areas at selected grounds in the stadiums of Premier League and Championship football clubs.

Supported by: Aldershot Town, Aston Villa, Barnsley, Brentford, Bristol City, Burnley, Cardiff City, Crystal Palace, Derby County, Doncaster Rovers, Exeter City, Hull City, Leeds United, Oldham Athletic, Peterborough United, Plymouth Argyle, Portsmouth, Shrewsbury Town, Sunderland, Swansea City, Swindon Town, Watford, AFC Wimbledon, Wolverhampton Wanderers, the Scottish Premier League, the Safe Standing Roadshow and Stand Up Sit Down."

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/

[PeterWithesShin]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion.

Those are two different points, though. Villa want to bring back standing is one point.

But currently, with no safe standing allowed, they want everyone sat on their arses. The fact they want standing returned (or to explore it happening) doesn't mean they're any less proactive as other clubs in trying to get people to sit down and shut up in the meantime.

The thing I don't understand is why are they so selective about when they decide to do something about it? Is it coincidence that it's these people who are not just standing up, but also making a racket?

Fair point on the first part, but i'm still not convinced that a club so in favour of safe standing wants a quiet ground.

Surely if it was just standing up and making a racket they would go after R1? They stand non stop, are a lot noisier, and far more visible, than Brigada.

Standing and singing is not the only reason they have been targeted.

[Chris Smith]

Point still stands though Paulie that Aston Villa support bringing back standing. Not a viewpoint a club that wants no atmosphere and us sitting down like we're in church would want in my opinion.

Those are two different points, though. Villa want to bring back standing is one point.

But currently, with no safe standing allowed, they want everyone sat on their arses. The fact they want standing returned (or to explore it happening) doesn't mean they're any less proactive as other clubs in trying to get people to sit down and shut up in the meantime.

The thing I don't understand is why are they so selective about when they decide to do something about it? Is it coincidence that it's these people who are not just standing up, but also making a racket?

Or is the people who have made a show of flaunting ground regs by organising themselves not to sit down? There will be games this season where circumstances dictate that I'll stand all match however I will not be setting out with the objective not to sit.

[PeterWithesShin]

"Safe Standing Campaign aims: To persuade the Government, football authorities and football clubs to accept the case for introducing, on a trial basis, limited sections of standing areas at selected grounds in the stadiums of Premier League and Championship football clubs.

Supported by: Aldershot Town, Aston Villa, Barnsley, Brentford, Bristol City, Burnley, Cardiff City, Crystal Palace, Derby County, Doncaster Rovers, Exeter City, Hull City, Leeds United, Oldham Athletic, Peterborough United, Plymouth Argyle, Portsmouth, Shrewsbury Town, Sunderland, Swansea City, Swindon Town, Watford, AFC Wimbledon, Wolverhampton Wanderers, the Scottish Premier League, the Safe Standing Roadshow and Stand Up Sit Down."

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/

Which backs up my point, not enough of the "bigger" clubs are in favour. Until they are it will never happen, sadly. Us and Sunderland are the only current big(ish) hitters in the English league backing it. Next biggest are Leeds and Wolves.