Brigada Corner

[Legion]

So to answer the question it's unfounded sensationalism

So much like when you claimed this site was clearly hostile to Brigada?

A lot of the posts on this forum have pointed to there "being more to it" which is in itself hostility, where else would these comments come from?

It's hardly being hostile to ask if there is more to things than are currently in the public domain.

[PeterWithesShin]

So to answer the question it's unfounded sensationalism

So much like when you claimed this site was clearly hostile to Brigada?

A lot of the posts on this forum have pointed to there "being more to it" which is in itself hostility, where else would these comments come from?

No, it is some people saying they think there is more to it. Or is no one allowed to have an opinion that you don't agree with?

Go through the Brigada threads on this site, check out issues of H&V and then come back with proof that the site is clearly hostile, not just a few people saying something you don't like but that the majority of the site is clearly hostile.

Otherwise you are just as guilty of the sensationalism that you are accusing others of.

[Bronstein]

So to answer the question it's unfounded sensationalism

So much like when you claimed this site was clearly hostile to Brigada?

A lot of the posts on this forum have pointed to there "being more to it" which is in itself hostility, where else would these comments come from?

No, it is some people saying they think there is more to it. Or is no one allowed to have an opinion that you don't agree with?

Go through the Brigada threads on this site, check out issues of H&V and then come back with proof that the site is clearly hostile, not just a few people saying something you don't like but that the majority of the site is clearly hostile.

Otherwise you are just as guilty of the sensationalism that you are accusing others of.

On this particular thread there have been talk of threatening letters and the sort, which has caused other users to speculate and not focus on the actual topic at hand. That is sensationalism. My comments are not sensationalist because I can actually see the comments that were posted about this.

[Legion]

That was one isolated post.

[dave.woodhall]

That was one isolated post.

That nobody took seriously.

[Legion]

Exactly.

[PeterWithesShin]

So to answer the question it's unfounded sensationalism

So much like when you claimed this site was clearly hostile to Brigada?

A lot of the posts on this forum have pointed to there "being more to it" which is in itself hostility, where else would these comments come from?

No, it is some people saying they think there is more to it. Or is no one allowed to have an opinion that you don't agree with?

Go through the Brigada threads on this site, check out issues of H&V and then come back with proof that the site is clearly hostile, not just a few people saying something you don't like but that the majority of the site is clearly hostile.

Otherwise you are just as guilty of the sensationalism that you are accusing others of.

On this particular thread there have been talk of threatening letters and the sort, which has caused other users to speculate and not focus on the actual topic at hand. That is sensationalism. My comments are not sensationalist because I can actually see the comments that were posted about this.

One person, one post = the site is clearly hostile. And you aren't sensationalising things?

So again, please provide proof that the site (not just one or two people) are clearly hostile to Brigada. Or you can always apologise the unfounded sensationalism.

[paul_e]

So to answer the question it's unfounded sensationalism

So much like when you claimed this site was clearly hostile to Brigada?

A lot of the posts on this forum have pointed to there "being more to it" which is in itself hostility, where else would these comments come from?

No it's not, my personal opinion is that the club has been given instructions from the council or the police that they had to be seen making a genuine effort to stop people from standing.  This isn't an attack on the group but it does justify me thinking there's more to it.  You've clearly come on here looking to be offended by people blaming them for getting kicked out (I personally think the 'we will stand all game' thing is incredibly naive and was only ever going to have 1 outcome though, but that's not hostility, that's just me thinking the comms between the group and the club are probably not where they need to be) and you're clutching at straws trying to make out that we're all being quite hostile.  As others have said, if you read back most of this thread was largely supportive and my posts are simply pointing out the folly of expecting a club statement.

[paul_e]

So you think there's more to it.See what I mean nobody has a bloody clue what has gone on.At this minute in time we have only heard one side of the story,until the club comes out with anything,20 people have been thrown out for standing.Looks bad on the club until I hear different.

How does it look bad on the club though, even if people think there's more to it, the founding principles of the group contain a line which shows they they intend to break one of the rules the club has no choice but to have in place.  They (Brigada) have made it very easy for the club to come out of this in the right, and the club can even point to the council and police and say they've had no choice but to do it or the whole stand could get closed.  There is no value to a club statement and the lack of one in no way reflects badly on them.

It looks bad on the club because they targeted a certain section of fans.I had to stand all game on Wednesday because people in front of me were standing,no stewards in the North Stand Lower to tell people to sit down maybe because they had been sent up the Holte.
I have no problem with fans being thrown out for standing.Looks,I do have a problem with fans being targeted for doing it.There is no doubt they were targeted on Wednesday anybody in the ground could see it,that does look bad on the club until we are told any different.

No it doesn't because nobody else in the ground is affiliated to a group with a founding principle to stand for the entire game.

[bertlambshank]

So you think there's more to it.See what I mean nobody has a bloody clue what has gone on.At this minute in time we have only heard one side of the story,until the club comes out with anything,20 people have been thrown out for standing.Looks bad on the club until I hear different.

How does it look bad on the club though, even if people think there's more to it, the founding principles of the group contain a line which shows they they intend to break one of the rules the club has no choice but to have in place.  They (Brigada) have made it very easy for the club to come out of this in the right, and the club can even point to the council and police and say they've had no choice but to do it or the whole stand could get closed.  There is no value to a club statement and the lack of one in no way reflects badly on them.

It looks bad on the club because they targeted a certain section of fans.I had to stand all game on Wednesday because people in front of me were standing,no stewards in the North Stand Lower to tell people to sit down maybe because they had been sent up the Holte.
I have no problem with fans being thrown out for standing.Looks,I do have a problem with fans being targeted for doing it.There is no doubt they were targeted on Wednesday anybody in the ground could see it,that does look bad on the club until we are told any different.

No it doesn't because nobody else in the ground is affiliated to a group with a founding principle to stand for the entire game.

I thought they are anti fascist,yes that's why they were formed with the principle to stand.Jesus I would stop there if I was you.

[PeterWithesShin]

I take it you never read their 'manifesto' when they first appeared Bert? I'd stop if I were you as some folks know a lot more.

[midnite]

I haven't read back through this thread so apologies if its already been said. But saying this site is hostile against the Brigada is rubbish.

Wasn't there a thread last year which most people were quite supportive of the said Brigada? Supposedly formed to create an atmosphere at the ground with banners, flags and constant chanting?

Which if it is what you guys are doing then fantastic. Go ahead and have a great time.

If how ever ther is another agenda then you can expect people to be weary of the group.

I don't know the insidant as I didn't see it, I don't sit anywhere near you guys during the game so from that respect I can't comment.

But to say this site is against the group is nonsense.

At the end of the day, the league rules are to stay seated. It's not as if its just the club. If you don't then expect a backlash from the authorities.

[bertlambshank]

I take it you never read their 'manifesto' when they first appeared Bert? I'd stop if I were you as some folks know a lot more.

With the help of the club until the club get an arse kicking from the council.It's like throwing the dog out because he farts too much,don't forget the club encouraged them to get their season tickets in the Holte because they are 'out of the way''.

[PeterWithesShin]

I take it you never read their 'manifesto' when they first appeared Bert? I'd stop if I were you as some folks know a lot more.

With the help of the club until the club get an arse kicking from the council.It's like throwing the dog out because he farts too much,don't forget the club encouraged them to get their season tickets in the Holte because they are 'out of the way''.

That wasn't what I asked.

[paul_e]

So you think there's more to it.See what I mean nobody has a bloody clue what has gone on.At this minute in time we have only heard one side of the story,until the club comes out with anything,20 people have been thrown out for standing.Looks bad on the club until I hear different.

How does it look bad on the club though, even if people think there's more to it, the founding principles of the group contain a line which shows they they intend to break one of the rules the club has no choice but to have in place.  They (Brigada) have made it very easy for the club to come out of this in the right, and the club can even point to the council and police and say they've had no choice but to do it or the whole stand could get closed.  There is no value to a club statement and the lack of one in no way reflects badly on them.

It looks bad on the club because they targeted a certain section of fans.I had to stand all game on Wednesday because people in front of me were standing,no stewards in the North Stand Lower to tell people to sit down maybe because they had been sent up the Holte.
I have no problem with fans being thrown out for standing.Looks,I do have a problem with fans being targeted for doing it.There is no doubt they were targeted on Wednesday anybody in the ground could see it,that does look bad on the club until we are told any different.

No it doesn't because nobody else in the ground is affiliated to a group with a founding principle to stand for the entire game.

I thought they are anti fascist,yes that's why they were formed with the principle to stand.Jesus I would stop there if I was you.

Shall I make it a bit simpler.

Rule that the club has to follow, and has no choice on, says no standing (but said club are eager to circumvent said rule and are the only premier league club backing plans to allow for the rule to not apply to specific areas of the stadium)
Group says, quite clearly on their website, ignore that rule we stand (and makes it the 2nd founding principle that all members must agree to)
Club says (in actions that we know of, I have no idea if previous communication has been attempted), if you insist on standing and refuse to sit down then we will have to chuck you out, and we won't let you buy tickets for the time being but will talk with you about that next week

does it make sense now?

There is nothing at all about facism, anti-facism or any other bullshit involved.

So once again, how do the club look bad in this?  The targeting thing, as stated, is completely and utterly incorrect because no one else in the ground who was standing up is doing it in accordance to a principle that they won't sit down.  If a single fan stands and refuses to sit down when asked I'd expect him to be warned, if he carries on refusing to sit down I'd expect him to be removed.  The reason most fans are allowed to stand unchallenged is because the club, the fans involved and the stewards all know that those fans would probably sit down if asked, Brigada have quite clearly stated that they have no intention of doing so, there's your difference.