Brigada Corner

[Bronstein]

I was there, I saw and heard what happened, I didn't THINK it was for standing, I KNOW it was ! They were ejected for standing as I witnessed it first hand. They have now been excluded from buying away tickets at this moment in time which suggests it is a ban put in place for standing. I know the persons it affects and I can honestly say they are not or have been involved in anything other than supporting AVFC.
Is that better/clearer/understandable ?

You know what you saw. Are you aware of anything else that happened before or after? I say that because years of experience has taught me that police/stewarding actions are always for a reason and often one that isn't apparent at the time. Have you subsequently spoken to anyone at the club or the police about this incident?

Does anybody have any conclusive proof that anything else has happened other than standing in the section? Violence, possession of unauthorised articles? No, they don't. Nobody from the section was arrested at Rotherham, so if there are these rumoured 'other factors' then why haven't the club acted  on them? Why is there no media coverage?

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception. There are a number of reasons for this which I don't care to discuss. This thread is not concerning the validity of the group, it is concerning the unjust treatment of a section of supporters by the club and police. I would imagine that most people on this forum have stood for the majority of a game, either home or away, and this situation is clearly getting worse as Brigada stood up for the entirety of every home game last season, and we have not seen this type of treatment before.

If this type of treatment persists then it will inevitably result in VP being transformed from one of the most atmospheric grounds in the country, which we all love, to a subdued atmosphere very different to the cauldron that Villains have called their home for over 100 years.

If they take away standing, what will come next?

[dave.woodhall]

I was there, I saw and heard what happened, I didn't THINK it was for standing, I KNOW it was ! They were ejected for standing as I witnessed it first hand. They have now been excluded from buying away tickets at this moment in time which suggests it is a ban put in place for standing. I know the persons it affects and I can honestly say they are not or have been involved in anything other than supporting AVFC.
Is that better/clearer/understandable ?

You know what you saw. Are you aware of anything else that happened before or after? I say that because years of experience has taught me that police/stewarding actions are always for a reason and often one that isn't apparent at the time. Have you subsequently spoken to anyone at the club or the police about this incident?

Does anybody have any conclusive proof that anything else has happened other than standing in the section? Violence, possession of unauthorised articles? No, they don't. Nobody from the section was arrested at Rotherham, so if there are these rumoured 'other factors' then why haven't the club acted  on them? Why is there no media coverage?

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception. There are a number of reasons for this which I don't care to discuss. This thread is not concerning the validity of the group, it is concerning the unjust treatment of a section of supporters by the club and police. I would imagine that most people on this forum have stood for the majority of a game, either home or away, and this situation is clearly getting worse as Brigada stood up for the entirety of every home game last season, and we have not seen this type of treatment before.

If this type of treatment persists then it will inevitably result in VP being transformed from one of the most atmospheric grounds in the country, which we all love, to a subdued atmosphere very different to the cauldron that Villains have called their home for over 100 years.

If they take away standing, what will come next?

Read through this thread and you'll see a pretty much unanimous defence of Brigada. Read back over this board and you'll see the same. Look through back issues of H&V and the same. Please don't come on here and make accusations that aren't true.

[pauliewalnuts]

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception.

You obviously haven't paid much attention to this forum or, indeed, this thread, if you think there's much hostility towards Brigada. You might be better off picking an argument with the people who really do have it in for them.

As for taking away standing, they took it away years ago. I entirely understand why it still happens and why people want to do it, but if it comes down to it, in a legal sense, the standers are in the wrong.

[bertlambshank]

The club need to release a statement asap.

[Bronstein]

I was there, I saw and heard what happened, I didn't THINK it was for standing, I KNOW it was ! They were ejected for standing as I witnessed it first hand. They have now been excluded from buying away tickets at this moment in time which suggests it is a ban put in place for standing. I know the persons it affects and I can honestly say they are not or have been involved in anything other than supporting AVFC.
Is that better/clearer/understandable ?

You know what you saw. Are you aware of anything else that happened before or after? I say that because years of experience has taught me that police/stewarding actions are always for a reason and often one that isn't apparent at the time. Have you subsequently spoken to anyone at the club or the police about this incident?

Does anybody have any conclusive proof that anything else has happened other than standing in the section? Violence, possession of unauthorised articles? No, they don't. Nobody from the section was arrested at Rotherham, so if there are these rumoured 'other factors' then why haven't the club acted  on them? Why is there no media coverage?

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception. There are a number of reasons for this which I don't care to discuss. This thread is not concerning the validity of the group, it is concerning the unjust treatment of a section of supporters by the club and police. I would imagine that most people on this forum have stood for the majority of a game, either home or away, and this situation is clearly getting worse as Brigada stood up for the entirety of every home game last season, and we have not seen this type of treatment before.

If this type of treatment persists then it will inevitably result in VP being transformed from one of the most atmospheric grounds in the country, which we all love, to a subdued atmosphere very different to the cauldron that Villains have called their home for over 100 years.

If they take away standing, what will come next?

Read through this thread and you'll see a pretty much unanimous defence of Brigada. Read back over this board and you'll see the same. Look through back issues of H&V and the same. Please don't come on here and make accusations that aren't true.

You've clearly missed my point, I am deflecting this speculation around "other aspects" which are clearly unfounded, away from the group. Unanimous defence and unfounded speculative criticism of the same group are clearly not synonymous.

As I said before, I'm not trying to defend or debate the validity of the group, I'm trying to steer this forum towards a discussion of the actual issue based on facts and not speculation.

[pauliewalnuts]

The club need to release a statement asap.

Bit dramatic, no?

We're probably the only people in the world, other than the Brigada people themselves, who are talking about it. It's not exactly a major issue, is it?

[Ads]

No they dont.

[pauliewalnuts]

I was there, I saw and heard what happened, I didn't THINK it was for standing, I KNOW it was ! They were ejected for standing as I witnessed it first hand. They have now been excluded from buying away tickets at this moment in time which suggests it is a ban put in place for standing. I know the persons it affects and I can honestly say they are not or have been involved in anything other than supporting AVFC.
Is that better/clearer/understandable ?

You know what you saw. Are you aware of anything else that happened before or after? I say that because years of experience has taught me that police/stewarding actions are always for a reason and often one that isn't apparent at the time. Have you subsequently spoken to anyone at the club or the police about this incident?

Does anybody have any conclusive proof that anything else has happened other than standing in the section? Violence, possession of unauthorised articles? No, they don't. Nobody from the section was arrested at Rotherham, so if there are these rumoured 'other factors' then why haven't the club acted  on them? Why is there no media coverage?

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception. There are a number of reasons for this which I don't care to discuss. This thread is not concerning the validity of the group, it is concerning the unjust treatment of a section of supporters by the club and police. I would imagine that most people on this forum have stood for the majority of a game, either home or away, and this situation is clearly getting worse as Brigada stood up for the entirety of every home game last season, and we have not seen this type of treatment before.

If this type of treatment persists then it will inevitably result in VP being transformed from one of the most atmospheric grounds in the country, which we all love, to a subdued atmosphere very different to the cauldron that Villains have called their home for over 100 years.

If they take away standing, what will come next?

Read through this thread and you'll see a pretty much unanimous defence of Brigada. Read back over this board and you'll see the same. Look through back issues of H&V and the same. Please don't come on here and make accusations that aren't true.

You've clearly missed my point, I am deflecting this speculation around "other aspects" which are clearly unfounded, away from the group. Unanimous defence and unfounded speculative criticism of the same group are clearly not synonymous.

As I said before, I'm not trying to defend or debate the validity of the group, I'm trying to steer this forum towards a discussion of the actual issue based on facts and not speculation.

What about the bit when you said this:

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception.

That's what we are objecting to, because it is fundamentally not true.

[dave.woodhall]

I was there, I saw and heard what happened, I didn't THINK it was for standing, I KNOW it was ! They were ejected for standing as I witnessed it first hand. They have now been excluded from buying away tickets at this moment in time which suggests it is a ban put in place for standing. I know the persons it affects and I can honestly say they are not or have been involved in anything other than supporting AVFC.
Is that better/clearer/understandable ?

You know what you saw. Are you aware of anything else that happened before or after? I say that because years of experience has taught me that police/stewarding actions are always for a reason and often one that isn't apparent at the time. Have you subsequently spoken to anyone at the club or the police about this incident?

Does anybody have any conclusive proof that anything else has happened other than standing in the section? Violence, possession of unauthorised articles? No, they don't. Nobody from the section was arrested at Rotherham, so if there are these rumoured 'other factors' then why haven't the club acted  on them? Why is there no media coverage?

Any speculative sensationalism is clearly a symptom of the hostility toward Brigada, on forums like this, since conception. There are a number of reasons for this which I don't care to discuss. This thread is not concerning the validity of the group, it is concerning the unjust treatment of a section of supporters by the club and police. I would imagine that most people on this forum have stood for the majority of a game, either home or away, and this situation is clearly getting worse as Brigada stood up for the entirety of every home game last season, and we have not seen this type of treatment before.

If this type of treatment persists then it will inevitably result in VP being transformed from one of the most atmospheric grounds in the country, which we all love, to a subdued atmosphere very different to the cauldron that Villains have called their home for over 100 years.

If they take away standing, what will come next?

Read through this thread and you'll see a pretty much unanimous defence of Brigada. Read back over this board and you'll see the same. Look through back issues of H&V and the same. Please don't come on here and make accusations that aren't true.

You've clearly missed my point, I am deflecting this speculation around "other aspects" which are clearly unfounded, away from the group. Unanimous defence and unfounded speculative criticism of the same group are clearly not synonymous.

As I said before, I'm not trying to defend or debate the validity of the group, I'm trying to steer this forum towards a discussion of the actual issue based on facts and not speculation.

How can I possibly be missing your point when I directly answered an accusation you made?

[Bronstein]

The club need to release a statement asap.

Bit dramatic, no?

We're probably the only people in the world, other than the Brigada people themselves, who are talking about it. It's not exactly a major issue, is it?

It's about what it stands for, it's about football fans knowing their rights and it's about consistent treatment of supporters. The amount of our money they take, they should be able to justify their actions.

[bertlambshank]

The club need to release a statement asap.

Bit dramatic, no?

We're probably the only people in the world, other than the Brigada people themselves, who are talking about it. It's not exactly a major issue, is it?

Before the rumors get any worse,we had already people coming on here talking about threats and letters being sent.Before you know it it's people being knocked out and letter bombs have been sent.

[pauliewalnuts]

The club need to release a statement asap.

Bit dramatic, no?

We're probably the only people in the world, other than the Brigada people themselves, who are talking about it. It's not exactly a major issue, is it?

It's about what it stands for, it's about football fans knowing their rights and it's about consistent treatment of supporters. The amount of our money they take, they should be able to justify their actions.

And in the context of what has happened, it's pretty small fry, isn't it?

I don't like it happening, and I am not suggesting there is any justification for it whatsoever. Nor am I suggesting I believe the intimation there's something more important than standing at play.

All i am saying is that the suggestion the club need to make a statement over such a small issue seems way off kilter to me.

[pauliewalnuts]

The club need to release a statement asap.

Bit dramatic, no?

We're probably the only people in the world, other than the Brigada people themselves, who are talking about it. It's not exactly a major issue, is it?

Before the rumors get any worse,we had already people coming on here talking about threats and letters being sent.Before you know it it's people being knocked out and letter bombs have been sent.

The rumours getting worse?

The rumours being discussed on an insignificant fan forum by about 20 people tops?

[eastie]

The club need to release a statement asap.

No chance of that happening in my opinion.

[pauliewalnuts]

Before you know it it's people being knocked out and letter bombs have been sent.

Dear oh dear, that's a bit of a jump from what we have now, isn't it?

Letter bombs?