Arsenal v Aston Villa All-in-one Thread (Match #272) (Post-match #993)

[Olneythelonely]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

[taylorsworkrate]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

To be honest, I would not have been best pleased if that was given against us.

[LeeB]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

Quite, and what those incapable of processing such thoughts consistently struggle with.

So I expect the expert panel on Match of the Day will unanimously damn the referee for giving it.

[UK Redsox]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

The tackle was from the side, not from behind and he took the ball first. Why is that a foul ?

[Olneythelonely]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

To be honest, I would not have been best pleased if that was given against us.

I wouldn't have been pleased, but we would have nothing to moan about.

[Salsa Party Animal]

Just watched the game and it is a team battle and we won the game by matching Arsenal and be more hungry and determined as a team but it is not a pretty football game. It is like a Derby match. Lovely goal by Tony Moon I think Wenger need to move upstairs and get someone else to take over Arsenal as long he follow Arsene/Arsenal's footprint. But I don't know who is ideal man to take over Arsenal. I would have put on Tonev to keep the ball upfront, but perhaps we are saving him for Small Heath of London.

[john2710]

Just back, great day & great result. If Arsenal had stuck to trying to beat us by playing football they probably would have won, but they tried to cheat / pressurise the ref & got what they deserved. Every one of them is a bad loser.

We can expect the same antics at Chelsea & we owe them bastards big time.

Anyway, first pen was as clear as day & should have been a sending off.
Second pen was suspect, as was the red card.  But we deserved our good luck for refusing to be intimidated. Not the most convincing performance but great result & support. Delph was MOTM.

UTV

[Olneythelonely]

Why do people keep suggesting that the second wasn't a penalty? Getting a stud on the ball, doesn't make it a fair challenge.

The tackle was from the side, not from behind and he took the ball first. Why is that a foul ?

Because he brought Gabby down whilst going towards goal. It's a penalty according to the laws of the game, just as the Roger Johnson was at Villa Park.

[rob_bridge]

Amazingly motd have decided to show swansea v man utd as first match tonight .

Well, i'm shocked. Nearly as big a surprise as Wenger blaming the ref for his team getting twatted.

Good to see you back Eastie.

Grrr - that makes my irritated. Surely the game of the day was at the Emirates.

Then again as it is the Beeb surprised first game and hence half the program aren't taken up by Liverpool's highlights trouncing of Stuuurke. I know it was only 1-0 but according to Lawro, Spooney, Hansen, Colin Murray, Alan Green, Michael Owen, Steve Wilson, Dalgelish's daughter (yes I know some of them have gone elsewhere) it should have been at least 6 and maybe 8-0

[amfy]

The debate around that penalty is all about whether 'getting a touch on the ball' is the same as 'winning the ball' or 'taking the ball'. I'd argue (exactly as I did with the pen we got against the Blues a couple of seasons back) that the player did the first, but neither of the other two. At the point the player followed through and took Gabby's legs, the ball was still at Gabby's feet to play, the ball hadn't been taken from him. For me, that makes it a penalty. Someone who cares more than I do whether we occasionally get a penalty when we shouldn't might look up the exact wording of the rules, but I can't be arsed and will call it a pen all day long!

[PeterWithesShin]

It was a penalty for us. So it was a 110% nailed on correct decision.

[Olneythelonely]

The debate around that penalty is all about whether 'getting a touch on the ball' is the same as 'winning the ball' or 'taking the ball'. I'd argue (exactly as I did with the pen we got against the Blues a couple of seasons back) that the player did the first, but neither of the other two. At the point the player followed through and took Gabby's legs, the ball was still at Gabby's feet to play, the ball hadn't been taken from him. For me, that makes it a penalty. Someone who cares more than I do whether we occasionally get a penalty when we shouldn't might look up the exact wording of the rules, but I can't be arsed and will call it a pen all day long!

Exactly right.

[eamonn]

Sorry, the Beeb repeating this bogus stat is annoying me :

It was Arsenal's first home defeat on the season's opening day in 20 years and only Villa's third victory in 28 trips to the Gunners.

Not the bit about them losing for the first time since fat Mickey Quinn bullied them in 1993 but that fucking stat about us hardly winning there. Can a Statto please give the true amount of victories we've had there since the mid-80's cos it must be about double that amount.

Edit - I count seven on Soccerbase (plus the League Cup win in '93, three weeks after winning there in the league). Shoddy research, exaggerating a poor stat to make us look much worse. Have a fookin' word!

[Duncan Shaw]

I heard Danny Murphy on 5 live earlier previewing MOTD and he said they've got some interesting angles on it that show the ref was right.  Niall Quinn just sympathetic to the ref on SNF as its now called too.  Bring on MOTD!!

[LeeB]

I heard Danny Murphy on 5 live earlier previewing MOTD and he said they've got some interesting angles on it that show the ref was right.  Niall Quinn just sympathetic to the ref on SNF as its now called too.  Bring on MOTD!!

We're they'll decide it was never a pen.