Sad, sad, sad

[Olneythelonely]

It is definitely him. Now rambling on about bankers.

[not3bad]

He's just posted a mini rant about bankers.

[garyshawsknee]

I've just seen them, pretty worrying.

[Mortimer's Bear]

[eastie]

Yep paul is in a bad way on twitter this morning - pissed and posting quite abusive messages - very worrying .



Hope this is a blip that he can overcome but he does seem to be on a rocky road.

[Mortimer's Bear]

This subject evokes a lot of hypocrisy in people, there's a guy at work who lambasted Paul Gascoigne last time he fell off the wagon, along the line of 'it's his own fault, if he wants to drink himself to death then let him, he's a burden on society' etc.

When the same happens to one of our own this bloke is full of sympathy and understanding.

[danlanza]

But Paul McGrath will never completely stop until Paul McGrath himself makes that decision and  really understands that he can never ever go near alcohol again.

I've always wondered about this. Is total abstinence the way to solve the problem? It doesn't seem the most healthy way to deal with it to me, to live a life with a monkey permanently on your back.

There must be a reason why a person has become dependent on alcohol. I can see why a period of abstinence is necessary and the reason for that would be to work on whatever caused the drinking problem in the first place.

Anybody who is an alcoholic should never have even one drink again. It is an illness and there may be all manner of reasons for each individual that is the trigger or cause. We are not talking about people who maybe drink a bit too much than is good for them and should maybe moderate things a bit. An alcoholic is somebody who is either heading for the bottom or have reached it and like my other half looked over the edge and stopped. She has not had a drink for 14 years but she is still an alcoholic, in the sense that if she ever had a drink it could potentially take her down to the bottom again. Luckily for her, even the smell of alcohol now makes her feel ill. For an alcoholic, one drink is one too many but after that first one any other amount is never enough.

My Father was an alcoholic, a functioning one at first. After years of heavy drinking it cost him his life at the grand old age of 46. Having to watch him slip into chronic alcoholism was the most upsetting thing i will ever see. Even with the support from family, friends and Medical people he just could not or would not stop drinking.
The denial, the lies and the totally uncharacteristic violent moods were very frightening.
From a man who used to wear smart suits to work, lovely home, all the other trappings of a very successfull buisness man, to scrappy tracksuit bottoms and a scruffy tshirt. Alcoholism took his pride, dignity and then his life. I have had conversations with people about this subject on many occasions. " Why can't they just say no to a drink?" is one i have heard many times. The answer is that nobody knows, unless they are an alcoholic.
It is a horrible disease and it is a disease.
People should have the greatest admiration for any alcoholic who is doing their best to stay Dry. You have to give as much support as you possibly can to them as they are in a life long battle. Should they fall off the Wagon you have to be there for them and help them with their recovery.
Good luck to anybody who suffers from alcoholism. I hope you get the support you will need.

[eastie]

Sad to hear that dan , must have been a tough time .

[dave.woodhall]

This subject evokes a lot of hypocrisy in people, there's a guy at work who lambasted Paul Gascoigne last time he fell off the wagon, along the line of 'it's his own fault, if he wants to drink himself to death then let him, he's a burden on society' etc.

When the same happens to one of our own this bloke is full of sympathy and understanding.

See also McGrath gets sympathy from us, Paul Merson a bit less and Gary Charles hardly any, yet they all have the same underlying problem.

[danlanza]

Ask anybody who is going through it eastie. I don't just mean the alcoholic but family and friends as well.
It can and does rip families apart. It was tough but to be truthfull, i learned a hell of a lot from it mate.

[Diablo]

Equally unfortunately diablo, we're well beyond the point of it  being "not too serious", as I sincerely wish the twats who continue to chant "it's your round" would realise.

Sorry when I said "I hope it's not too serious" I didn't make myself clear. I meant from the legal side of things (as he was charged previously with breach of the peace in 2004). I hope he doesn't find himself in more trouble that won't help / aid his hopeful recovery / battle with alcoholism.

Ah, apologies, misunderstood you.

No problem at all :-) Your feeling towards the chant is understandable and shared by many. Thankfully I think more and more peoples attitude towards alcoholism is slowly changing as more and more people are exposed to it and talk about it (as you can see on here). That is surely one of the only good things to come out of such a sad, desperate and damaging situation like this. If drugs were classified scientifically and on the harm they cause, rather than financially and politically, as is currently the case, alcohol would be top of the pile (Class A) ahead of even heroin and crack.

[Irish villain]

Is that really god on twitter? It's not a verified account is it?

It's him. I was so disappointed when I read those tweets on my way to work. I hope somebody goes to his aid.

[danlanza]

Equally unfortunately diablo, we're well beyond the point of it  being "not too serious", as I sincerely wish the twats who continue to chant "it's your round" would realise.

Sorry when I said "I hope it's not too serious" I didn't make myself clear. I meant from the legal side of things (as he was charged previously with breach of the peace in 2004). I hope he doesn't find himself in more trouble that won't help / aid his hopeful recovery / battle with alcoholism.

Ah, apologies, misunderstood you.

No problem at all :-) Your feeling towards the chant is understandable and shared by many. Thankfully I think more and more peoples attitude towards alcoholism is slowly changing as more and more people are exposed to it and talk about it (as you can see on here). That is surely one of the only good things to come out of such a sad, desperate and damaging situation like this. If drugs were classified scientifically and on the harm they cause, rather than financially and politically, as is currently the case, alcohol would be top of the pile (Class A) ahead of even heroin and crack.

Very true and proved by the way.

[eastie]

Is that really god on twitter? It's not a verified account is it?

It's him. I was so disappointed when I read those tweets on my way to work. I hope somebody goes to his aid.

I see paul has just tweeted -
@Paulmcgrath5: someone thinks its funny to hack my account. im fine thanks
 

[Irish villain]

Ask anybody who is going through it eastie. I don't just mean the alcoholic but family and friends as well.
It can and does rip families apart. It was tough but to be truthfull, i learned a hell of a lot from it mate.

Alcoholism is something that needs to be addressed. So many people just do not 'get it'. As I get older I am becoming more and more hostile to alcohol as I have seen the affect it has had on people. Recovering alcoholics should never be put in a position where their brave struggle against the demon drink is compromised. You are no friend of them if you offer them alcohol or put them in a position where they have to fight an urge. I have an alcoholic relative who has been off it since 2000 and always arrange to meet in café. I know other eejits who still try to organise meet ups with him in pubs.