Jores Okore

[Chico Hamilton III]

Which is why we'll never let them in in a million years.

Well, that and the fact that both sets of fans, and a good few of their officials, are a bunch of bigoted arseholes.   

[silhillvilla]

Policing bills would go into orbit if them pair ever joined.

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I am pretty sure he has admitted that he regrets how it ended. When he looks back it was by far the best managerial opportunity he ever had at the biggest football club that he will ever get to take charge of.

I know we like to think we're special but in the size stakes Celtic piss all over us.

Without wishing to drag this into a debate about Celtic, I disagree politely  with your view. 

Celtic are big. Huge stadium, but they've never played in a real league. They play in a Tolkien-esque, Walt Disney, fantasy land where they're rarely going to be outside the top 2. A European cup doesn't really mask that. The Scottish league hasn't always been as bobbins, but it's always been well short of England. Over the past 20 years, if they'd been in the English league, they'd have been a yo yo club at best.

If they'd been in the English League for twenty years, collecting our TV money and their own merchandising and gate receipts, they'd be among the richest clubs in the world and able to afford players consistent with that rank. As would Rangers. Which is why we'll never let them in in a million years.

Newcastle have a big ground and they're shit.

[pauliewalnuts]

I am pretty sure he has admitted that he regrets how it ended. When he looks back it was by far the best managerial opportunity he ever had at the biggest football club that he will ever get to take charge of.

I know we like to think we're special but in the size stakes Celtic piss all over us.

Without wishing to drag this into a debate about Celtic, I disagree politely  with your view. 

Celtic are big. Huge stadium, but they've never played in a real league. They play in a Tolkien-esque, Walt Disney, fantasy land where they're rarely going to be outside the top 2. A European cup doesn't really mask that. The Scottish league hasn't always been as bobbins, but it's always been well short of England. Over the past 20 years, if they'd been in the English league, they'd have been a yo yo club at best.

If they'd been in the English League for twenty years, collecting our TV money and their own merchandising and gate receipts, they'd be among the richest clubs in the world and able to afford players consistent with that rank. As would Rangers. Which is why we'll never let them in in a million years.

I take your point, but all PL clubs are already among the richest clubs in the world.

[Tony Erdington]

I dont give a toss about all things SPL, I hve no allegiance to gers or tics But imo celtic, Rangers Manu and Liverpool are massive, the like of chavski and arsenal would never allow the scots in cuz they would in a short time surpass their mantle, ffs were bigger than the london imposters.

[Hillbilly]

I am pretty sure he has admitted that he regrets how it ended. When he looks back it was by far the best managerial opportunity he ever had at the biggest football club that he will ever get to take charge of.

I know we like to think we're special but in the size stakes Celtic piss all over us.

Without wishing to drag this into a debate about Celtic, I disagree politely  with your view. 

Celtic are big. Huge stadium, but they've never played in a real league. They play in a Tolkien-esque, Walt Disney, fantasy land where they're rarely going to be outside the top 2. A European cup doesn't really mask that. The Scottish league hasn't always been as bobbins, but it's always been well short of England. Over the past 20 years, if they'd been in the English league, they'd have been a yo yo club at best.

I hold no torch for Celtic but c'mon. They can only play in the league they are in (see also Ajax, Feyenoord, Benfica, Sporting). And their European record is a touch more impressive than ours, even recently. That said, so is Fulham's.

[silhillvilla]

& Boro's.

[Billy Walker]

Celtic's historical average attendance is something like 31k, pretty much on a par with any club from a large British city.  They have a fantastic media reputation - fair play to them - and I reckon if you were to ask the average man in the street are Celtic one of the biggest clubs around, he'd probably say, "Yes," but as far as I can make out this reputation seems to be built on relatively little substance.  They're certainly a big, "big-city" club but I would argue the likes of Newcastle, Leeds and so on are just as big. If the likes of Newcastle were hoovering up trophies in the Scottish league would we be calling them one of the biggest clubs on earth?

[supertom]

Their average attendance last season was about 48k. They play in Europe every year, yet they never seem to be particularly laden with money. Even with exceptional gate receipts (given the shiteness of that league, particularly post Rangers demotion). At the end of the day they've gone and borrowed Tonev from us...Tonev. We've lent them Tonev...just let that sink in for a bit. Tonev.
It's largely been a league where average players go to have an easy life. John Hartson, Chris Sutton. Middle of the road players past their best going up there to knock goals in for fun.

Even if just for their European aspirations, with the money they earn and gauranteed CL, they should be trying to entice top players there. Their star striker is Anthony Stokes who'd be out of his depth in the Premiership. For good money and the European games they could probably tempt quality players if they wanted to. Certain players would go anywhere for money and CL football even if they just give a year before jumping back to a proper league.  It's all a bit small time up there though.

They get much of their big club status just by being one of the two biggest clubs in Scotland. You look in England there's a whole host of very big clubs that aren't even in the Premiership, like Notts Forest, Leeds etc.

[Percy McCarthy]

I am pretty sure he has admitted that he regrets how it ended. When he looks back it was by far the best managerial opportunity he ever had at the biggest football club that he will ever get to take charge of.

I know we like to think we're special but in the size stakes Celtic piss all over us.

Without wishing to drag this into a debate about Celtic, I disagree politely  with your view. 

Celtic are big. Huge stadium, but they've never played in a real league. They play in a Tolkien-esque, Walt Disney, fantasy land where they're rarely going to be outside the top 2. A European cup doesn't really mask that. The Scottish league hasn't always been as bobbins, but it's always been well short of England. Over the past 20 years, if they'd been in the English league, they'd have been a yo yo club at best.

If they'd been in the English League for twenty years, collecting our TV money and their own merchandising and gate receipts, they'd be among the richest clubs in the world and able to afford players consistent with that rank. As would Rangers. Which is why we'll never let them in in a million years.

I take your point, but all PL clubs are already among the richest clubs in the world.

True. I think allied to massive worldwide support that both Rangers and Celtic had before Liverpool and Man Utd had even heard of Oslo or Beijing, it would be a game-changer for them. Also, they'd have much bigger capacities and crowds (paying more for tickets), sponsorships, corporate, kit deals etc. had they been playing in England for twenty years.

Anyone recall the attendance for Celtic's EC semi-final v Leeds at Hampden in '71? 137,000. I'm not saying they'd get that every time they played an English club, but give them a competitive league watching much better players (their own and opponents) and I can't how see their already quite impressive support (to watch shit players in a shit league) would not increase substantially. I reckon they'd both average 70k easily, given the capacity obv.

[Percy McCarthy]

Their average attendance last season was about 48k. They play in Europe every year, yet they never seem to be particularly laden with money. Even with exceptional gate receipts (given the shiteness of that league, particularly post Rangers demotion). At the end of the day they've gone and borrowed Tonev from us...Tonev. We've lent them Tonev...just let that sink in for a bit. Tonev.
It's largely been a league where average players go to have an easy life. John Hartson, Chris Sutton. Middle of the road players past their best going up there to knock goals in for fun.

Even if just for their European aspirations, with the money they earn and gauranteed CL, they should be trying to entice top players there. Their star striker is Anthony Stokes who'd be out of his depth in the Premiership. For good money and the European games they could probably tempt quality players if they wanted to. Certain players would go anywhere for money and CL football even if they just give a year before jumping back to a proper league.  It's all a bit small time up there though.

They get much of their big club status just by being one of the two biggest clubs in Scotland. You look in England there's a whole host of very big clubs that aren't even in the Premiership, like Notts Forest, Leeds etc.

If Celtic had been in our league for the last twenty years, I'm afraid they wouldn't have been borrowing Tonev. They'd be one of the c**** after Barry, Milner and Young.

[bobdylan]

I dont give a toss about all things SPL, I hve no allegiance to gers or tics But imo celtic, Rangers Manu and Liverpool are massive, the like of chavski and arsenal would never allow the scots in cuz they would in a short time surpass their mantle, ffs were bigger than the london imposters.

Arsenal are bigger than Rangers for me. 

[bobdylan]

I am pretty sure he has admitted that he regrets how it ended. When he looks back it was by far the best managerial opportunity he ever had at the biggest football club that he will ever get to take charge of.

I know we like to think we're special but in the size stakes Celtic piss all over us.

Without wishing to drag this into a debate about Celtic, I disagree politely  with your view. 

Celtic are big. Huge stadium, but they've never played in a real league. They play in a Tolkien-esque, Walt Disney, fantasy land where they're rarely going to be outside the top 2. A European cup doesn't really mask that. The Scottish league hasn't always been as bobbins, but it's always been well short of England. Over the past 20 years, if they'd been in the English league, they'd have been a yo yo club at best.

I hold no torch for Celtic but c'mon. They can only play in the league they are in (see also Ajax, Feyenoord, Benfica, Sporting). And their European record is a touch more impressive than ours, even recently. That said, so is Fulham's.

I'm not surprised, it's a damn sight easier for them to qualify for Europe each year than it is for us.

[Smirker]

I dont give a toss about all things SPL, I hve no allegiance to gers or tics But imo celtic, Rangers Manu and Liverpool are massive, the like of chavski and arsenal would never allow the scots in cuz they would in a short time surpass their mantle, ffs were bigger than the london imposters.

Arsenal are bigger than Rangers for me.

They've been allowed to get bigger thanks to the way the CL is. For next to a decade they did nothing but finish 4th and yet exploded as a club.

Would probably agree. Prefer Rangers anyway. I wouldn't mind Celtic and Rangers joining the PL.

[bobdylan]

I dont give a toss about all things SPL, I hve no allegiance to gers or tics But imo celtic, Rangers Manu and Liverpool are massive, the like of chavski and arsenal would never allow the scots in cuz they would in a short time surpass their mantle, ffs were bigger than the london imposters.

Arsenal are bigger than Rangers for me.

They've been allowed to get bigger thanks to the way the CL is. For next to a decade they did nothing but finish 4th and yet exploded as a club.

Would probably agree. Prefer Rangers anyway. I wouldn't mind Celtic and Rangers joining the PL.

Arsenal have always been a big club, unlike Chelsea, I remember my late grandfather used to say that when he spent 6 years in Oz in the early 1920's "There was only two clubs they'd ever heard of over there, the Villa and The Gunners".