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[Percy McCarthy]

Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?

Yes, I know the bloke who sent that,. The twat.

A few days later, we were in The Crown when a very tough black ex-boxer/gangster Villa hooligan from Chelmsley came in and the postcard sender came and stood next to me and my mate thinking he would be safe. He was absolutely shitting himself that this guy had found out. We just wondered off round the pub trying to lose him.

Nothing happened though.

Last time I saw him (the NF guy), he jumped onto a bus full of Chelsea fans before the 2000 Cup Final causing trouble.

[freethinker]

Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?

Yeah I remember that as well. I think it was when England played in Helsinki in 1985 and it was addressed to 'The Gutter Press'. I also remember around that time there was some trouble at an England away game in Scotland and a few hundred England fans were thrown out of the home end. The Sunday Mirror the next day had a picture of the England fans and one had a flag with 'Villa NF' written on it. There was also a similar flag at England games at the World Cup in Mexico in 1986.

We clearly had a few NF followers down the Villa back then but I'd be surprised if any club around that time didn't. I haven't seen any of that shit down the Villa for a long time, or heard any racism for that matter.

[Vancouver]

Not trying to cause an uproar here, but a few years ago I was in the Adventurers after the Man U last game of the season and it seemed like it had a Far Right element in there. But as it was mentioned before, every club does have it's element

[littlevillain]

I remember being in the Vine early 80s when some bloke approached me with some leaflets on the NF. Didn't really understand what was going on as he was giving me this big speech on history etc. I ended up telling him i weren't interested and him and two mates left. Few minutes later there was a commotion outside and i ended up in a battle with a load of brummie reds and those 3 guys were with them. seemed a little weird as in those days you'd expect the right wing lads to be skins but these were very normal looking. Anyway in a way it felt more justified having a row with them especially as there were black lads with the villa lot.

[Percy McCarthy]

I remember being in the Vine early 80s when some bloke approached me with some leaflets on the NF. Didn't really understand what was going on as he was giving me this big speech on history etc. I ended up telling him i weren't interested and him and two mates left. Few minutes later there was a commotion outside and i ended up in a battle with a load of brummie reds and those 3 guys were with them. seemed a little weird as in those days you'd expect the right wing lads to be skins but these were very normal looking. Anyway in a way it felt more justified having a row with them especially as there were black lads with the villa lot.

Indeed. As if therm being Brummie reds wasn't reason enough.

[Malandro]

Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk

Ta

By the way, if you want some inside transfer information, Defoe is going to sign for Villa this summer.

I knew that would get it it the Mirror!

[stuart r]

I remember being in the back bar of Churchills snooker club in the mid-nineties and there were a group of idiots I recognised from away games doing right wingery (nazi salutes and sieg heils). When I confronted them about it the older idiot who was probably about 40 intervened saying stuff along the lines of “We’re all Villa, we shouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves”.. I felt physically sick being associated with them…. I also remember thinking it was a bit odd that there was this older bloke out with these young lads. It was all a bit ‘This Is England’, like the young lads were being groomed.

[damon loves JT]

Good for you for saying something.

[stuart r]

Good for you for saying something.

Ta, but I was emboldened by 7 pints and there were plenty of people to back me up (thats the bit where I merge in to the background whilst my more fight-inclined friends deal with the consequences of my 'bravery')

[damon loves JT]

Still, part of the reason people like that feel emboldened is the idea that 'we're all Villa fans' or 'we're all English' or 'we're all white'. If they meet somebody once in a while who's white and English and a villa fan but who plainly disagrees with them, they might not be so brave.

[Ads]

I hate all the Ingerlund bollocks when we're away in Europe. Dickheads start singing in Prague of all places about ten German bombers.

At least the idiocy made geographical sense in Hamburg. They were Mosley Villa and they took silent umbrage to us singing "you can stick your fucking Ingerlund up your arse" and duly left the bar.

[Pat McMahon]

At least the idiocy made geographical sense in Hamburg. They were Mosley Villa and they took silent umbrage to us singing "you can stick your fucking Ingerlund up your arse" and duly left the bar.

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Was that Moseley Villa or Oswald Mosley Black Shirts Villa?

[Caiphus]

Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success.  I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed.  With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.

[damon loves JT]

Well make sure you bring your big coat.

[Ads]

Well make sure you bring your big coat.

I was talking to some attractive Aussies in Thailand last summer and they were telling me how they had to just get out of Melbourne as it was freezing.

It had dropped to 16 degrees.

Tossers.