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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: sanglesey on May 30, 2013, 10:53:52 AM
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Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk
Ta
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I'm guessing this is not the Northumberland Fusiliers
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By the way, if you want some inside transfer information, Defoe is going to sign for Villa this summer.
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Get me a job at Four Four Two and I'll sing like a canary.
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
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Isn't there a story about them being removed from villa park back in the day by an anti right wing fan group?
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
Hmmmm, not too sure about that. Maybe not a large section of the support, but as with any club, there are elements there I'd wager.
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Requests like this always amaze me with their sheer brass neck.
It is bad enough that a journo should try to get other people to do work he will get paid for, but why the frigging-fuck would any fan want to make a contribution to an article, which if it made the edit, would show their club in a bad light?
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What if it showed the club and its fans in a good light?
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
The prior to the Zulus, the Noses Apex mob were the NF lot in Brum.
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
The prior to the Zulus, the Noses Apex mob were the NF lot in Brum.
It was certainly rife at B-lose, but from what I recall the Apex might have been when things started to change for the better as I know a black bloke who was in it as well as a white anti-racist. The Tilton End though was full of NF skins in the late seventies, while our firm had plenty of prominent black members. One of their lot was actually a candidate for the NF, more than once I think, and I reckon quite a few of them haven't changed their views, but keep quiet only because they're shit-scared of certain black people down there.
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I know of a Nose who is known by the name 'National Front - Norm' (As in Norman). He must be 60 or so now. He has issues and is not of right mind, not "harmless" as people seem keen to point out.
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Does that mean the NF never even attempted to recruit at Villa? I kind of imagined they would have tried all of the first division teams in the 70s.
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I know of a Nose who is known by the name 'National Front - Norm' (As in Norman). He must be 60 or so now. He has issues and is not of right mind, not "harmless" as people seem keen to point out.
Yes, I remember his song:
Norman, Norman,
Naughty naughty Norman,
Don't be a ******, join The Front
With naughty naughty Norman.
Stood for election in Hodge Hill I believe.
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Does that mean the NF never even attempted to recruit at Villa? I kind of imagined they would have tried all of the first division teams in the 70s.
Bulldog, the paper of the young NF, used to publish a 'league of louts'. They'd tried to sell it as a measure of which clubs were the hardest, but in reality it was just a monthly list of the top ten clubs for sales of National Front News. B-lose were always in it, Villa never were.
I think the close proximity of Danny Brown was quite off-putting for NF recruitment officers.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
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I went to a game at Blues once, It was a friendly I'm certain, Early 90's, I was about 16-17 maybe, Someone tapped me on the shoulder and handed me a combat 18 card, He nodded at me and I nodded back, I had no idea until years later what it actually was, I think I lobbed it away it had no number on or anything. That was in our end.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
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I have applied to join EDL and they have asked for a picture. I have sent them a picture of David Hasselhoff. Waiting for a reply!
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I have applied to join EDL and they have asked for a picture. I have sent them a picture of David Hasselhoff. Waiting for a reply!
Should have sent one as Osama
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I have applied to join EDL and they have asked for a picture. I have sent them a picture of David Hasselhoff. Waiting for a reply!
I was going to write something about big brother watching you, but I'm scared they will then watch me then
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I have applied to join EDL and they have asked for a picture. I have sent them a picture of David Hasselhoff. Waiting for a reply!
They'll probably make you leader.
They love a pin up boy, it's all that pent up homo-eroticism.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
How are they "top boys"? They sound like ******.
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He means they're main faces in their firms, not that he think's they're great people.
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Ah, I see.
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Correct. Thanks Ads. A couple of them aren't even white.
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N.F. Eddie
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Isn't there a story about them being removed from villa park back in the day by an anti right wing fan group?
I mentioned this on another thread a while back yes. F(ans) A(gainst) N(azis).
The "group" locally were from several clubs (myself and two other Villa, Everton, Newcastle, 2 Wolves plus others) and we only saw NF at a couple of home matches selling Bulldog or whatever it was called near the Holte on Witton Lane. They were moved on by "crowding" - surrounding them and taking the materials off them. If they cut up rough then... most just left.
There was actually very little racist activity at Villa. We had most problems at Wolves to be honest and came off worst a couple of times. Leeds and Chelsea were always targets when they visited the Midlands.
It was not particularly organised (we were late teens to early twenties). It was our left-wing politics spilling over into footie hence the mix of lads.
442 can speak to someone who can remember it properly!
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The Villa keep giving me more and more reasons to be proud of them. Thanks chaps.
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Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk
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You'd be better off getting memories from Chelsea fans.
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Isn't there a story about them being removed from villa park back in the day by an anti right wing fan group?
I mentioned this on another thread a while back yes. F(ans) A(gainst) N(azis).
The "group" locally were from several clubs (myself and two other Villa, Everton, Newcastle, 2 Wolves plus others) and we only saw NF at a couple of home matches selling Bulldog or whatever it was called near the Holte on Witton Lane. They were moved on by "crowding" - surrounding them and taking the materials off them. If they cut up rough then... most just left.
There was actually very little racist activity at Villa. We had most problems at Wolves to be honest and came off worst a couple of times. Leeds and Chelsea were always targets when they visited the Midlands.
It was not particularly organised (we were late teens to early twenties). It was our left-wing politics spilling over into footie hence the mix of lads.
442 can speak to someone who can remember it properly!
Righteous brother, sterling work.
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Isn't there a story about them being removed from villa park back in the day by an anti right wing fan group?
I mentioned this on another thread a while back yes. F(ans) A(gainst) N(azis).
The "group" locally were from several clubs (myself and two other Villa, Everton, Newcastle, 2 Wolves plus others) and we only saw NF at a couple of home matches selling Bulldog or whatever it was called near the Holte on Witton Lane. They were moved on by "crowding" - surrounding them and taking the materials off them. If they cut up rough then... most just left.
There was actually very little racist activity at Villa. We had most problems at Wolves to be honest and came off worst a couple of times. Leeds and Chelsea were always targets when they visited the Midlands.
It was not particularly organised (we were late teens to early twenties). It was our left-wing politics spilling over into footie hence the mix of lads.
442 can speak to someone who can remember it properly!
Great stuff, well done that man.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
Out of genuine interest Percy are they there for the politics or the aggro? or both?
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
Out of genuine interest Percy are they there for the politics or the aggro? or both?
Mainly the aggro I think. I don't think a life-long commitment to political struggle and/or campaigning is likely. Bigoted through ignorance, violent by nature, that's about it really.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
Out of genuine interest Percy are they there for the politics or the aggro? or both?
Mainly the aggro I think. I don't think a life-long commitment to political struggle and/or campaigning is likely. Bigoted through ignorance, violent by nature, that's about it really.
Guessed as much.
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We fortunately don't seem to have been targeted by the EDL either which is a good thing, I'm quite convinced some of our support would be attracted to that nonsense.
There are quite a few Villa and B-lose on EDL marches. Top boys as well.
Out of genuine interest Percy are they there for the politics or the aggro? or both?
Mainly the aggro I think. I don't think a life-long commitment to political struggle and/or campaigning is likely. Bigoted through ignorance, violent by nature, that's about it really.
Guessed as much.
See, this is why run-of-the-mill football violence has never bothered me. People who like violence fighting over something essentially trivial like football - so what? When people do it over religion, race etc, that's when it gets sinister.
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It's incredibly silly to want to fight somebody because they support a different football team.
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It's incredibly silly to want to fight somebody because they support a different football team.
True, but it's preferable to wanting to fight someone because they prefer a different fairy tale or are a different colour.
I remember after the little bit of trouble when England lost to Germany in EURO 96, some middle-class journalist bemoaned the fact that the working-class didn't riot over 'something more important'.
Well, she might get her way now if the EDL ever manage to get it together. Hope she enjoys it.
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Does that mean the NF never even attempted to recruit at Villa? I kind of imagined they would have tried all of the first division teams in the 70s.
Bulldog, the paper of the young NF, used to publish a 'league of louts'. They'd tried to sell it as a measure of which clubs were the hardest, but in reality it was just a monthly list of the top ten clubs for sales of National Front News. B-lose were always in it, Villa never were.
I think the close proximity of Danny Brown was quite off-putting for NF recruitment officers.
And Clarkie. And Pete the Greek wasn't actually European either - Middle Eastern IIRC
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Does that mean the NF never even attempted to recruit at Villa? I kind of imagined they would have tried all of the first division teams in the 70s.
Bulldog, the paper of the young NF, used to publish a 'league of louts'. They'd tried to sell it as a measure of which clubs were the hardest, but in reality it was just a monthly list of the top ten clubs for sales of National Front News. B-lose were always in it, Villa never were.
I think the close proximity of Danny Brown was quite off-putting for NF recruitment officers.
And Clarkie. And Pete the Greek wasn't actually European either - Middle Eastern IIRC
Yes, half-Arab.
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Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk
Ta
You'd be better off getting memories from Chelsea fans.
If you can find one who followed them then...
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Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk
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You'd be better off getting memories from Chelsea fans.
If you can find one who followed them then...
I know 2 Chelsea fans down here who independently of each other stopped following them about 5 years ago, becoming sick of the antics of some of their players - Drogba being the main culprit. Both of them had supported Chelsea since around 74-75 when they were truly awful( Tommy Langley, Teddy Maybank are players who still make me chuckle with their all round shiteness)
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Football is probably the only thing that unites every nation, colour, creed and religion (fairytale) in the world. It is something that needs to be above subversion.
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There was racism at VP. Fortunately never as bad as at other clubs. I've said before how an Asian friend of mine started going in the early 70's and got the shit kicked out of him in the back of the Holte by a bunch of other Villa 'fans' and told never to come back as the Holte was no place for Pakis.
For those with back issues of H&V it's mentioned in an article he wrote in H&V called Too Many Cowboys.
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I remember reading somewhere that the Hardcore were pretty racist in the 70's/80's and were known to engage in 'Paki-bashing' and the like.
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I remember reading somewhere that the Hardcore were pretty racist in the 70's/80's and were known to engage in 'Paki-bashing' and the like.
They weren't around then.
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Ah right. It was quite a while back when I read it, so I can't remember exactly what it said. But it was something along those lines. Maybe it was talking about another Villa firm?
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I am not the thought police, but I would urge everyone to reconsider posting anything that might help the sports press. Whatever you post and say will be twisted into something negative about the club, fans or football.
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I remember reading somewhere that the Hardcore were pretty racist in the 70's/80's and were known to engage in 'Paki-bashing' and the like.
I went to Leicester away in about 1996 or so, and a pretty sizeable chunk of the villa fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan". Clearly, not as sinister as some other chants, but I found it completely cringeworthy, not to say ironic given Aston's makeup.
Having said that, I'm pretty embarassed to this day that I used to wholeheartedly join in with the "your brother is a queer" chant to John Fashanu, which was just plain wrong.
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I am not the thought police, but I would urge everyone to reconsider posting anything that might help the sports press. Whatever you post and say will be twisted into something negative about the club, fans or football.
Some things are more important and it's a good thing that football has done so much to rid itself of this sort of shit. There's no value in keeping things under the carpet. As others have said, villa has a good story to tell on the whole.
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Ah right. It was quite a while back when I read it, so I can't remember exactly what it said. But it was something along those lines. Maybe it was talking about another Villa firm?
The main bloke in the Villa's firm in the 80's was black.
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Let's not forget the heroic refuseniks of 1938. Not hooligans like, but still...
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Ah right. It was quite a while back when I read it, so I can't remember exactly what it said. But it was something along those lines. Maybe it was talking about another Villa firm?
The main bloke in the Villa's firm in the 80's was black.
What I read was most likely BS then. If I can ever find that article again, I'll post it here anyway.
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It's incredibly silly to want to fight somebody because they support a different football team.
Well yes, but these are the sort of people who are going to fight someone, somewhere whatever. Football is an excuse, if they weren't fighting opposition fans they'd be brawling outside pubs.
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There was racism at VP. Fortunately never as bad as at other clubs. I've said before how an Asian friend of mine started going in the early 70's and got the shit kicked out of him in the back of the Holte by a bunch of other Villa 'fans' and told never to come back as the Holte was no place for Pakis.
For those with back issues of H&V it's mentioned in an article he wrote in H&V called Too Many Cowboys.
Yes sadly I can confirm that from personal experience.
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Ah right. It was quite a while back when I read it, so I can't remember exactly what it said. But it was something along those lines. Maybe it was talking about another Villa firm?
The main bloke in the Villa's firm in the 80's was black.
Not true. Percy is white ( winky thing)
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I remember reading somewhere that the Hardcore were pretty racist in the 70's/80's and were known to engage in 'Paki-bashing' and the like.
Hardcore on the 70/80's - bit early? There was a rumour - fuelled by the Zulus - that Hardcore had Combat 18 affiliations but that was a load of tosh
The only time I saw problems on the Holte was when some pissed-up idiot would try and get some racist chant going - almost always at an opposition player. I was appalled at the homophobic treatment a couple of players have received from the Lower Holte a few years ago and argued with those singing but that seems to have died out as well.
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Ah right. It was quite a while back when I read it, so I can't remember exactly what it said. But it was something along those lines. Maybe it was talking about another Villa firm?
The main bloke in the Villa's firm in the 80's was black.
Not true. Percy is white ( winky thing)
As Danny Brown would tell you, I held the coats.
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See, this is why run-of-the-mill football violence has never bothered me. People who like violence fighting over something essentially trivial like football - so what? When people do it over religion, race etc, that's when it gets sinister.
The problem with that is that, whilst I understand the argument that it is largely "people who want to fight, fighting with other people who want to fight, so let them get on with it", it doesn't really work that way.
The people kicking shit out of each other don't do so in a hermetically sealed, closed off environment where nobody who isn't looking for it finds themselves in trouble.
See the mention of the Atletico Madrid away game on another thread at the moment for an example. Or, indeed, look at the way all football fans got treated like shit for years and years not that long ago, that was all the result of people doing precisely that "if they weren't doing it here, they'd be doing it outside a pub" thing.
The difference is, if a load of blokes meet to kick the shit out of each other outside a pub, that doesn't end up with pub users elsewhere in the country finding they suffer as a result of someone else's shit hobby.
I entirely understand the connection of hooliganism and violence with British football culture, you'd have to be blind not to have attended matches during the 70s and 80s and not picked up on that connection, but really, some of the excuse making that still goes on for it is absolutely nuts.
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The original poster has not posted anything since :o
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See, this is why run-of-the-mill football violence has never bothered me. People who like violence fighting over something essentially trivial like football - so what? When people do it over religion, race etc, that's when it gets sinister.
The problem with that is that, whilst I understand the argument that it is largely "people who want to fight, fighting with other people who want to fight, so let them get on with it", it doesn't really work that way.
The people kicking shit out of each other don't do so in a hermetically sealed, closed off environment where nobody who isn't looking for it finds themselves in trouble.
See the mention of the Atletico Madrid away game on another thread at the moment for an example. Or, indeed, look at the way all football fans got treated like shit for years and years not that long ago, that was all the result of people doing precisely that "if they weren't doing it here, they'd be doing it outside a pub" thing.
The difference is, if a load of blokes meet to kick the shit out of each other outside a pub, that doesn't end up with pub users elsewhere in the country finding they suffer as a result of someone else's shit hobby.
I entirely understand the connection of hooliganism and violence with British football culture, you'd have to be blind not to have attended matches during the 70s and 80s and not picked up on that connection, but really, some of the excuse making that still goes on for it is absolutely nuts.
Hard to argue with a lot of that paulie, not that I want to really. But my point wasn't making excuses, as I think you gleaned from 'so what?' That was more to do with if you think a few thrill-seekers seeking thrills in football violence is a sign that civilisation as we know it is coming to an end, where do you go when British people are trying to blow us up on the tube or cut a bloke's head off in broad daylight?
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
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The original poster has not posted anything since :o
He's probably sat at a bar somewhere with that Stoke fan, swapping stories about when they popped on to H&V for a quick vox populi.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I became a biggie at Hillsborough though, when the fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96 who died, plus the attitude of the authorities of "Well they are just football fans, hooligan scum to a man" was very evident in the way they reacted both before, during and after the disaster.
I'm not saying that people wanting to fight other football fans was solely responsible at all, and certainly it had nothing directly to do with what happened on the day, but it was a very big mitigating factor in the scale of it.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I guess if you're an innocent football fan, who gets his head kicked in just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, then it is a biggie.
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I remember reading somewhere that the Hardcore were pretty racist in the 70's/80's and were known to engage in 'Paki-bashing' and the like.
I went to Leicester away in about 1996 or so, and a pretty sizeable chunk of the villa fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan". Clearly, not as sinister as some other chants, but I found it completely cringeworthy, not to say ironic given Aston's makeup.
Having said that, I'm pretty embarassed to this day that I used to wholeheartedly join in with the "your brother is a queer" chant to John Fashanu, which was just plain wrong.
I think the Leicester game you mention was more like 1999, I was there and cringed as well. It was a rare away day for me back then but I go to quite a few these days. Thankfully I haven't heard anything like that from our fans since that game. I'm not saying things are perfect but you have to say we've come a long way.
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I've never been recruited by the National Front. Though I did once stand next to Sir Trevor McDonald at a urinal.
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I've never been recruited by the National Front. Though I did once stand next to Sir Trevor McDonald at a urinal.
Did he shake or did he run the risk of seepage?
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I've never been recruited by the National Front. Though I did once stand next to Sir Trevor McDonald at a urinal.
Did he shake or did he run the risk of seepage?
He stood completely motionless for an unnecessarily long time after he had finished. I dont mind admitting I was a bit frightened.
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I remember during the 70's a headline in the Evening Mail "The two sides of second city soccer" (or something very similar) accompanied by two photographs. One was of the Villa fans at an away game with hundreds of balloons (it always used to look great) and the other picture was of dipsticks at St Andrews with their cardboard NF banners. It must be in the local press archive somewhere.
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Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?
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Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?
I am not saying we don't have our own far right nutters, I am sure most clubs probably do, but the Mail has always liked to propagate some NF myths about the Villa.
Do you remember before the 03/03/03 game where there were fabricated stories about the Villa recruiting far right loons to help bash in the Noses?
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Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?
I am not saying we don't have our own far right nutters, I am sure most clubs probably do, but the Mail has always liked to propagate some NF myths about the Villa.
True enough, but this was accompanied by a photo of the actual post card.
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Stuff that's written on postcards is admissible in a court of law.
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Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?
Yes, I know the bloke who sent that,. The twat.
A few days later, we were in The Crown when a very tough black ex-boxer/gangster Villa hooligan from Chelmsley came in and the postcard sender came and stood next to me and my mate thinking he would be safe. He was absolutely shitting himself that this guy had found out. We just wondered off round the pub trying to lose him.
Nothing happened though.
Last time I saw him (the NF guy), he jumped onto a bus full of Chelsea fans before the 2000 Cup Final causing trouble.
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Does anyone else vaguely remember in the 80s, there was an England away game, at which there had been a fair amount of trouble, England fans playing up, and a few days later the front page of the Evening Mail was a post card sent to them, allegedly from "Aston Villa NF" ranting a bit about the aggro they'd caused?
Yeah I remember that as well. I think it was when England played in Helsinki in 1985 and it was addressed to 'The Gutter Press'. I also remember around that time there was some trouble at an England away game in Scotland and a few hundred England fans were thrown out of the home end. The Sunday Mirror the next day had a picture of the England fans and one had a flag with 'Villa NF' written on it. There was also a similar flag at England games at the World Cup in Mexico in 1986.
We clearly had a few NF followers down the Villa back then but I'd be surprised if any club around that time didn't. I haven't seen any of that shit down the Villa for a long time, or heard any racism for that matter.
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Not trying to cause an uproar here, but a few years ago I was in the Adventurers after the Man U last game of the season and it seemed like it had a Far Right element in there. But as it was mentioned before, every club does have it's element
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I remember being in the Vine early 80s when some bloke approached me with some leaflets on the NF. Didn't really understand what was going on as he was giving me this big speech on history etc. I ended up telling him i weren't interested and him and two mates left. Few minutes later there was a commotion outside and i ended up in a battle with a load of brummie reds and those 3 guys were with them. seemed a little weird as in those days you'd expect the right wing lads to be skins but these were very normal looking. Anyway in a way it felt more justified having a row with them especially as there were black lads with the villa lot.
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I remember being in the Vine early 80s when some bloke approached me with some leaflets on the NF. Didn't really understand what was going on as he was giving me this big speech on history etc. I ended up telling him i weren't interested and him and two mates left. Few minutes later there was a commotion outside and i ended up in a battle with a load of brummie reds and those 3 guys were with them. seemed a little weird as in those days you'd expect the right wing lads to be skins but these were very normal looking. Anyway in a way it felt more justified having a row with them especially as there were black lads with the villa lot.
Indeed. As if therm being Brummie reds wasn't reason enough.
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Hi - Looking for Villa fans with memories/stories of how the NF tried to use football as a recruiting ground in the 1970s and early 1980s, and what that meant at Villa. Part of a wider piece on football and the NF. If you can help, please reply here or drop me a line: steve.anglesey@mirror.co.uk
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By the way, if you want some inside transfer information, Defoe is going to sign for Villa this summer.
I knew that would get it it the Mirror!
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I remember being in the back bar of Churchills snooker club in the mid-nineties and there were a group of idiots I recognised from away games doing right wingery (nazi salutes and sieg heils). When I confronted them about it the older idiot who was probably about 40 intervened saying stuff along the lines of “We’re all Villa, we shouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves”.. I felt physically sick being associated with them…. I also remember thinking it was a bit odd that there was this older bloke out with these young lads. It was all a bit ‘This Is England’, like the young lads were being groomed.
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Good for you for saying something.
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Good for you for saying something.
Ta, but I was emboldened by 7 pints and there were plenty of people to back me up (thats the bit where I merge in to the background whilst my more fight-inclined friends deal with the consequences of my 'bravery')
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Still, part of the reason people like that feel emboldened is the idea that 'we're all Villa fans' or 'we're all English' or 'we're all white'. If they meet somebody once in a while who's white and English and a villa fan but who plainly disagrees with them, they might not be so brave.
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I hate all the Ingerlund bollocks when we're away in Europe. Dickheads start singing in Prague of all places about ten German bombers.
At least the idiocy made geographical sense in Hamburg. They were Mosley Villa and they took silent umbrage to us singing "you can stick your fucking Ingerlund up your arse" and duly left the bar.
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At least the idiocy made geographical sense in Hamburg. They were Mosley Villa and they took silent umbrage to us singing "you can stick your fucking Ingerlund up your arse" and duly left the bar.
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Was that Moseley Villa or Oswald Mosley Black Shirts Villa?
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Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success. I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed. With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.
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Well make sure you bring your big coat.
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Well make sure you bring your big coat.
I was talking to some attractive Aussies in Thailand last summer and they were telling me how they had to just get out of Melbourne as it was freezing.
It had dropped to 16 degrees.
Tossers.
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Well make sure you bring your big coat.
I sweat like a dancing mule over here; I look forward to any excuse to drag out the thermal underwear...
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Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success. I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed. With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.
In the meantime, here's something you can feel part of already. www.heroespublishing.co.uk/Shop/Fanzine_Subscription.html
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Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success. I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed. With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.
In the meantime, here's something you can feel part of already. www.heroespublishing.co.uk/Shop/Fanzine_Subscription.html
Never misses a trick, the socialist mirror of Rupert Murdoch.
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Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success. I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed. With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.
In the meantime, here's something you can feel part of already. www.heroespublishing.co.uk/Shop/Fanzine_Subscription.html
Never misses a trick, the socialist mirror of Rupert Murdoch.
Robert Maxwell?
He'd better not be playing fast and loose with my pension fund.
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Makes me think about what might have happened if Bosnich's first spell at United was a success. I would never have become a Villa fan for one and the more I learn about the history of Villa, the more I am impressed. With my degree almost finished, I hope to be joining you in the terraces in the not too distant future so I can really feel a part of it.
In the meantime, here's something you can feel part of already. www.heroespublishing.co.uk/Shop/Fanzine_Subscription.html
Never misses a trick, the socialist mirror of Rupert Murdoch.
Robert Maxwell?
He'd better not be playing fast and loose with my pension fund.
He does look a bit like him now you mention it. Never did find that body either.....
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Do you remember before the 03/03/03 game where there were fabricated stories about the Villa recruiting far right loons to help bash in the Noses?
Didn't the Mail or Mercury also run a story that the Villa lot were also going to wear Blonde wigs to a derby in a 'Tracey Andrews' tribute. Gullible or what.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I became a biggie at Hillsborough though, when the fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96 who died, plus the attitude of the authorities of "Well they are just football fans, hooligan scum to a man" was very evident in the way they reacted both before, during and after the disaster.
I'm not saying that people wanting to fight other football fans was solely responsible at all, and certainly it had nothing directly to do with what happened on the day, but it was a very big mitigating factor in the scale of it.
Just to put you and this record straight.
It has since been proven after 24 years of perseverance from the Justice for the 96 campaign that the fences were not DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of many of the INNOCENT fans, it was actually the police, ambulance service , the FA and government of the time that WERE responsible.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I became a biggie at Hillsborough though, when the fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96 who died, plus the attitude of the authorities of "Well they are just football fans, hooligan scum to a man" was very evident in the way they reacted both before, during and after the disaster.
I'm not saying that people wanting to fight other football fans was solely responsible at all, and certainly it had nothing directly to do with what happened on the day, but it was a very big mitigating factor in the scale of it.
Just to put you and this record straight.
It has since been proven after 24 years of perseverance from the Justice for the 96 campaign that the fences were not DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of many of the INNOCENT fans, it was actually the police, ambulance service , the FA and government of the time that WERE responsible.
That's not the point being made. Just about everyone here agrees with the Hillsborough findings. The point is that without that previous hooligan element the fences wouldn't have been there. Its what those that choose to fight have as a possible legacy.
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I became a biggie at Hillsborough though, when the fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96 who died, plus the attitude of the authorities of "Well they are just football fans, hooligan scum to a man" was very evident in the way they reacted both before, during and after the disaster.
I'm not saying that people wanting to fight other football fans was solely responsible at all, and certainly it had nothing directly to do with what happened on the day, but it was a very big mitigating factor in the scale of it.
Just to put you and this record straight.
It has since been proven after 24 years of perseverance from the Justice for the 96 campaign that the fences were not DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of many of the INNOCENT fans, it was actually the police, ambulance service , the FA and government of the time that WERE responsible.
That's not the point being made. Just about everyone here agrees with the Hillsborough findings. The point is that without that previous hooligan element the fences wouldn't have been there. Its what those that choose to fight have as a possible legacy.
"fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96"
NO THEY WERE NOT. FACT
I/We know why fences were rightly or wrongly erected, but at Hillsboro they were not directly responsible for any deaths the authorities WERE. FACT
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I don't think it is a sign of civilisation coming to an end, no, and I'd never suggest it was. I don't think anyone would, for that matter.
In terms of excuses or mitigating factors, though, that's pretty much as limp as it gets.
Again, what excuse? All I'm saying is, it's no biggie.
I became a biggie at Hillsborough though, when the fences erected to keep hooligans caged in were directly responsible for the deaths of many of the 96 who died, plus the attitude of the authorities of "Well they are just football fans, hooligan scum to a man" was very evident in the way they reacted both before, during and after the disaster.
I'm not saying that people wanting to fight other football fans was solely responsible at all, and certainly it had nothing directly to do with what happened on the day, but it was a very big mitigating factor in the scale of it.
Just to put you and this record straight.
It has since been proven after 24 years of perseverance from the Justice for the 96 campaign that the fences were not DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of many of the INNOCENT fans, it was actually the police, ambulance service , the FA and government of the time that WERE responsible.
Yes I know, I am not saying that fences were directly responsible, and if you knew me and had seen posts passim from myself on this subject you would know that I would never, in any way, blame the Liverpool supporters.
But...
It is a fact that fans were caged in at football grounds. It is a fact that the reason they were caged in is because football fans at the time had a minority of utter twats who couldn't behave responsibly, and it's a fact that if fences hadn't been there at the Leppings Lane End there would not have been 96 dead football fans because there would have been an escape route onto the pitch.
As much as it hurts, all of those who took part in fighting rival football fans back then had a part to play in the mindset of the authorities who were ultimately responsible for Hillsborough.
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As long as we are all clear then.
"It confirmed Lord Justice Taylor's key finding in August 1989 that the main reason for the disaster was a "failure in police control"."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-disaster-inquest-prosecutions-report
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As long as we are all clear then.
"It confirmed Lord Justice Taylor's key finding in August 1989 that the main reason for the disaster was a "failure in police control"."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/12/hillsborough-disaster-inquest-prosecutions-report
Absolutely, the key words being "main reason".
There were many, many mitigating factors.
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No, there were no mitigating factors. I cannot sit here and let this pass.
It HAS been concluded that the reasons for the the deaths of 96 innocent fans was caused by the incompetence of the police and that also multiple failures in other emergency services and public bodies contributed to the death toll, and that the likely outcome of a new inquiry will lead to all 96 deaths being judged as unlawful killings.
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Would 96 people have died if there were no fences?
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Yes there were mitigating factors!
How can you say that if there were no fences 96 people still would have died? Without fences at the front of the terrace there could not have been a crush, therefore people would not have died. Why were those fences there? Because the authorities believed that football fans could not be trusted to behave themselves.
Why did the authorities believe this? Because a significant minority of fans had spent the last few seasons fighting each other and invading football pitches.
Absolutely Hillsborough was the fault of incompetent policing, poor administration of the ground and a failure of the emergency services to comprehend the extent of the disaster, but you are kidding yourself if you don't see that one of the main reasons for this is because the authorities saw football fans as scumbags to a man, and the reason they had this impression is because some of us, unfortunately at the time, were scumbags.
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government, police, the fa all viewed us as scum, they were the cnuts to blame for Hillsboro not fences not the fans . Period.
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Fucking Ada. Will you stop with all this FACT and Period cobblers.
You don't win a debate by writing that at the end.
How on earth can you argue that the fences had nothing to do with it?
Were the Police, FA, Emergency Services etc responsible? Of course they were. Nobody has said otherwise.
You are arguing with people here who for a long time backed the Justice campaigners for that very reason.
There is simply no argument though that caging people in like zoo animals did contribute to those deaths.
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I smell a troll
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Fences don't kill people. South Yorkshire Police do. FACT. Period.
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End of.
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government, police, the fa all viewed us as scum, they were the cnuts to blame for Hillsboro not fences not the fans . Period.
Yes, as I think I have said.
Now, ask yourself this - why did they collectively view us as scum?
Did they just pick on football supporters in a bizarre random way? Or did a section of us give them the excuse?
This isn't to excuse them in the way they acted at Hillsborough and at countless other places where it could also have occurred and we got away with it.
Were you a hoolie back in the day bas?
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Fucking Ada. Will you stop with all this FACT and Period cobblers.
You don't win a debate by writing that at the end.
How on earth can you argue that the fences had nothing to do with it?
Hear and (very loudly) hear.
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There was racism at VP. Fortunately never as bad as at other clubs. I've said before how an Asian friend of mine started going in the early 70's and got the shit kicked out of him in the back of the Holte by a bunch of other Villa 'fans' and told never to come back as the Holte was no place for Pakis.
For those with back issues of H&V it's mentioned in an article he wrote in H&V called Too Many Cowboys.
Joining this thread fairly late on, but just wanted to say what an excellent article that was. When I was living in Germany, I translated it (with permission from H&V) for a FARE issue of our MSV Duisburg fanzine and I remember there being a fair bit of interest in the topic over there.
I well remember racist chanting on the Holte up to around '87/88, but it seemed to peter out after that. I still think of the very late 80s as something of a golden age in English football - post-Hillsborough but pre all-seater, before the Premier League excesses, before Hornby and the Italia 90 hype, racism in decline, still affordable etc. etc.
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government, police, the fa all viewed us as scum, they were the cnuts to blame for Hillsboro not fences not the fans . Period.
Of course the fences had something to do with it. The reason they were there was hooliganism, and the reason football fans were treated like shit was hooliganism, as well.
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I well remember racist chanting on the Holte up to around '87/88, but it seemed to peter out after that. I still think of the very late 80s as something of a golden age in English football - post-Hillsborough but pre all-seater, before the Premier League excesses, before Hornby and the Italia 90 hype, racism in decline, still affordable etc. etc.
I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter. Post-Hillsborough we were being treated better, post identity card campaign we thought we could change the world, pre-Sky we weren't pissed about for TV, pre-Premier League we didn't have to pay stupid prices and pre-internet there was none of the moronic 'banter' that means every other club is 'scum'.
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I well remember racist chanting on the Holte up to around '87/88, but it seemed to peter out after that. I still think of the very late 80s as something of a golden age in English football - post-Hillsborough but pre all-seater, before the Premier League excesses, before Hornby and the Italia 90 hype, racism in decline, still affordable etc. etc.
I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter. Post-Hillsborough we were being treated better, post identity card campaign we thought we could change the world, pre-Sky we weren't pissed about for TV, pre-Premier League we didn't have to pay stupid prices and pre-internet there was none of the moronic 'banter' that means every other club is 'scum'.
Indeed, there really was a feelgood factor at that time, wasn't there? With the explosion in fanzines there was a real sense that you could go away, buy one of their magazines, drink in one of their pubs and have a good chinwag at the majority of other clubs. There was something of a togetherness feel among football fans for a while. We'd seen off ID cards and were joining forces to stand up for the right not to be collectively demonised or treated like shit. Even the West Midlands police had to start changing, though very slowly.
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I well remember racist chanting on the Holte up to around '87/88, but it seemed to peter out after that. I still think of the very late 80s as something of a golden age in English football - post-Hillsborough but pre all-seater, before the Premier League excesses, before Hornby and the Italia 90 hype, racism in decline, still affordable etc. etc.
I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter. Post-Hillsborough we were being treated better, post identity card campaign we thought we could change the world, pre-Sky we weren't pissed about for TV, pre-Premier League we didn't have to pay stupid prices and pre-internet there was none of the moronic 'banter' that means every other club is 'scum'.
Indeed, there really was a feelgood factor at that time, wasn't there? With the explosion in fanzines there was a real sense that you could go away, buy one of their magazines, drink in one of their pubs and have a good chinwag at the majority of other clubs. There was something of a togetherness feel among football fans for a while. We'd seen off ID cards and were joining forces to stand up for the right not to be collectively demonised or treated like shit. Even the West Midlands police had to start changing, though very slowly.
Then money came into it...
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Then money came into it...
Yep.
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It's the greatest irony of modern football that the people who saved the game when nobody else wanted to know it ended up having it taken from them.
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I well remember racist chanting on the Holte up to around '87/88, but it seemed to peter out after that. I still think of the very late 80s as something of a golden age in English football - post-Hillsborough but pre all-seater, before the Premier League excesses, before Hornby and the Italia 90 hype, racism in decline, still affordable etc. etc.
I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter. Post-Hillsborough we were being treated better, post identity card campaign we thought we could change the world, pre-Sky we weren't pissed about for TV, pre-Premier League we didn't have to pay stupid prices and pre-internet there was none of the moronic 'banter' that means every other club is 'scum'.
Indeed, there really was a feelgood factor at that time, wasn't there? With the explosion in fanzines there was a real sense that you could go away, buy one of their magazines, drink in one of their pubs and have a good chinwag at the majority of other clubs. There was something of a togetherness feel among football fans for a while. We'd seen off ID cards and were joining forces to stand up for the right not to be collectively demonised or treated like shit. Even the West Midlands police had to start changing, though very slowly.
Then money came into it...
fanzines?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanzine
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
You should... There thats your summer sorted
I loved those times and would buy fanzines in bulk from 1UP in Aberdeen, Grouchos in Dundee and Nostalgia and Comics when I was in Birmingham. The style of many seemed to be influenced by VIZ or Reeves and Mortimer irreverence mixed with great serious articles about the state of the game or that particular club.. Loved them. Aberdeen's 'Northern Light' was a favourite although they didn't extend that feeling of camaraderie to the old firm to say the least.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
Anyway, in summary; Yes Dave, please write that book.
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
You should... There thats your summer sorted
I loved those times and would buy fanzines in bulk from 1UP in Aberdeen, Grouchos in Dundee and Nostalgia and Comics when I was in Birmingham. The style of many seemed to be influenced by VIZ or Reeves and Mortimer irreverence mixed with great serious articles about the state of the game or that particular club.. Loved them. Aberdeen's 'Northern Light' was a favourite although they didn't extend that feeling of camaraderie to the old firm to say the least.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
Anyway, in summary; Yes Dave, please write that book.
Find me a publisher and I will.
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I managed to persuade Hunter who owns Jumbo Records in Leeds to let me stock football fanzines alongside the music ones. My finest moment was when I paid up front for 20 copies of the St Pauli fanzine when the guy called in, turned out there wasn't anybody in Leeds into football who could read German.
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
You should... There thats your summer sorted
I loved those times and would buy fanzines in bulk from 1UP in Aberdeen, Grouchos in Dundee and Nostalgia and Comics when I was in Birmingham. The style of many seemed to be influenced by VIZ or Reeves and Mortimer irreverence mixed with great serious articles about the state of the game or that particular club.. Loved them. Aberdeen's 'Northern Light' was a favourite although they didn't extend that feeling of camaraderie to the old firm to say the least.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
Anyway, in summary; Yes Dave, please write that book.
Find me a publisher and I will.
Heroes Publishing
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I managed to persuade Hunter who owns Jumbo Records in Leeds to let me stock football fanzines alongside the music ones. My finest moment was when I paid up front for 20 copies of the St Pauli fanzine when the guy called in, turned out there wasn't anybody in Leeds into football who could read.
Fixed.
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I managed to persuade Hunter who owns Jumbo Records in Leeds to let me stock football fanzines alongside the music ones. My finest moment was when I paid up front for 20 copies of the St Pauli fanzine when the guy called in, turned out there wasn't anybody in Leeds into football who could read.
Fixed.
Ouch!
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
I too really enjoyed much of Fever Pitch as I think he had a lot to say about what it means/meant to be a football fan.
But I'll never forgive the twat for lazily endorsing all-seater stadia as the only answer to Hillsborough and fan safety. All the post-Italia 1990 "football - it's the new craze" dickheads happily pointed to Hornby's take on this, and he completely played into the clubs' hands, who were only too pleased to keep upping their prices in return for shiny new grounds. Of course it wasn't all his fault, but he had a part to play in the all-seater and sanitisation disaster.
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
I too really enjoyed much of Fever Pitch as I think he had a lot to say about what it means/meant to be a football fan.
But I'll never forgive the twat for lazily endorsing all-seater stadia as the only answer to Hillsborough and fan safety. All the post-Italia 1990 "football - it's the new craze" dickheads happily pointed to Hornby's take on this, and he completely played into the clubs' hands, who were only too pleased to keep upping their prices in return for shiny new grounds. Of course it wasn't his fault, but he had a part to play in the all-seater and sanitisation disaster.
He also said that, basically, it was tough on anyone who couldn't afford to go to the match anymore and clubs who went out of business.
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I never like the fact that he lived in Reading and supported Arsenal.
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I never like the fact that he lived in Reading and supported Arsenal.
Except when he lived in Cambridge so he supported them.
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I never read the book but saw the film and thought it could have been ok with just two minor changes.
(i) Villa win the League
(ii) Hornby's annoying twat of a girlfriend gets killed.
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I could write a book on how 1989-92 was a brief golden age to be a football supporter.
I thought Fever Pitch was a great read (soz) and feel a bit sorry for Nick Hornby being blamed as a catalyst for modern football's ills as I'm sure that was never his intention.
I too really enjoyed much of Fever Pitch as I think he had a lot to say about what it means/meant to be a football fan.
But I'll never forgive the twat for lazily endorsing all-seater stadia as the only answer to Hillsborough and fan safety. All the post-Italia 1990 "football - it's the new craze" dickheads happily pointed to Hornby's take on this, and he completely played into the clubs' hands, who were only too pleased to keep upping their prices in return for shiny new grounds. Of course it wasn't his fault, but he had a part to play in the all-seater and sanitisation disaster.
He also said that, basically, it was tough on anyone who couldn't afford to go to the match anymore and clubs who went out of business.
What my dad calls the Radio 3 Syndrome. The assumption that your audience is exclusively middle-class, like you.
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I never like the fact that he lived in Reading and supported Arsenal.
Or when he chose to attend a literary awards dinner instead of Arsenal's Cup Final replay against Sheffield Wednesday.
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I never like the fact that he lived in Reading and supported Arsenal.
Or when he chose to attend a literary awards dinner instead of Arsenal's Cup Final replay against Sheffield Wednesday.
Really?
What a tosser.
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I forget who it was but they were right when they said he could have written that book about any aspect of his life - films, music, theatre - with equal passion but they'd all been done before so sadly for us he chose football.
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
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I'd rather choke up a kidney than read another Nick Hornby book.
Aren't all the subsequent ones really just the same sort of theme dressed up slightly differently?
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
Thankfully have never had a subscription to Sky so missed out on the Saturday morning show others talk about.
I saw it once or twice when at friend's or relatives - if there is a bigger cock in the world than Tim Lovejoy then I know not whom.
I loved Taylor Parkes assassination of his auto.
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I never like the fact that he lived in Reading and supported Arsenal.
Or when he chose to attend a literary awards dinner instead of Arsenal's Cup Final replay against Sheffield Wednesday.
To be fair, it was a bloody terrible game between two tedious sides.
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
Thankfully have never had a subscription to Sky so missed out on the Saturday morning show others talk about.
I saw it once or twice when at friend's or relatives - if there is a bigger cock in the world than Tim Lovejoy then I know not whom.
I loved Taylor Parkes assassination of his auto.
Never pass up the opportunity to read this. I love the fact that on any given day it's invariably in WSC's 5 most-read articles.
www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
Thankfully have never had a subscription to Sky so missed out on the Saturday morning show others talk about.
I saw it once or twice when at friend's or relatives - if there is a bigger cock in the world than Tim Lovejoy then I know not whom.
I loved Taylor Parkes assassination of his auto.
Was that the review on WSC? I remember reading that years ago and then passing the link around to everyone I knew. Fantastic stuff.
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
Thankfully have never had a subscription to Sky so missed out on the Saturday morning show others talk about.
I saw it once or twice when at friend's or relatives - if there is a bigger cock in the world than Tim Lovejoy then I know not whom.
I loved Taylor Parkes assassination of his auto.
Never pass up the opportunity to read this. I love the fact that on any given day it's invariably in WSC's 5 most-read articles.
www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy
Ahh, there it is!
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So he's basically a more literate Tim Lovejoy. A tosser and a fraud.
With a wife who was high up at his publishers. However, unlike Lovejoy he jumped on the bandwagon when it had only just started.
Thankfully have never had a subscription to Sky so missed out on the Saturday morning show others talk about.
I saw it once or twice when at friend's or relatives - if there is a bigger cock in the world than Tim Lovejoy then I know not whom.
I loved Taylor Parkes assassination of his auto.
Never pass up the opportunity to read this. I love the fact that on any given day it's invariably in WSC's 5 most-read articles.
www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy
Ahh, there it is!
Indeed - he did one about england's World Cup Exit in 2006. It was and still is uncanily accurate. English players are:
'....poorly coached from birth, encouraged to believe their own hype and ultimately not all that good....'
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Lovejoy's opinion:
“Look across our national team” – he means England, by the way – “and there isn’t one player who wouldn’t walk into any side in Europe... why is it, before every tournament, we start believing we’re overrated?”
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Soccer am was worth it for the one episode where Mani of Stone Roses/Primal Scream fame put Lovejoy to task over his wearing of a Ramones T shirt. It epitomized the person Tim Lovejoy. It should give him sleepless nights but I doubt it does.
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Soccer am was worth it for the one episode where Mani of Stone Roses/Primal Scream fame put Lovejoy to task over his wearing of a Ramones T shirt. It epitomized the person Tim Lovejoy. It should give him sleepless nights but I doubt it does.
Wasn't it Martin Freeman who did that to Timbo? asked him to name his favourite Ramones album and Lovejoy looked as if he didn't even realise that the Ramones were a band
Either way, classic telly
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Soccer am was worth it for the one episode where Mani of Stone Roses/Primal Scream fame put Lovejoy to task over his wearing of a Ramones T shirt. It epitomized the person Tim Lovejoy. It should give him sleepless nights but I doubt it does.
Wasn't it Martin Freeman who did that to Timbo? asked him to name his favourite Ramones album and Lovejoy looked as if he didn't even realise that the Ramones were a band
Either way, classic telly
You're right it was Freeman. Maybe Mani brought it up in a further episode which makes me think it was him. I can still see Lovejoy squirming in his seat, that's what mattered.
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Lovejoy's opinion:
“Look across our national team” – he means England, by the way – “and there isn’t one player who wouldn’t walk into any side in Europe... why is it, before every tournament, we start believing we’re overrated?”
It beggars belief considering e.g. England's GKs at the time of writing were Paul Robinson / David James whereas other countries had nobodies e.g. Spain had Casillias/Valdez/Reina and Germany had Kahn/Lehman and Italy Buffon. I'd argue Given was a much better than any England option during mid-00's.
Lovejoy is a prick, symptomatic of banal mediocrity much of the nation seems to settle for nowadays.
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Soccer am was worth it for the one episode where Mani of Stone Roses/Primal Scream fame put Lovejoy to task over his wearing of a Ramones T shirt. It epitomized the person Tim Lovejoy. It should give him sleepless nights but I doubt it does.
Wasn't it Martin Freeman who did that to Timbo? asked him to name his favourite Ramones album and Lovejoy looked as if he didn't even realise that the Ramones were a band
Either way, classic telly
You're right it was Freeman. Maybe Mani brought it up in a further episode which makes me think it was him. I can still see Lovejoy squirming in his seat, that's what mattered.
It really is genius.
Martin (Freeman): “Is that a Ramones T-shirt, Tim?”
Lovejoy: “Er, yes.”
Martin “Do you actually know any Ramones songs?”
Lovejoy: (silence)
Martin: “Can you name two albums?”
Lovejoy: “Er, no.”
Martin: “Thought not.”
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Martin Freeman did a excellent documentary on Tamla Motown if I remember correctly...
UTV
The Doc
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Wasn't it Martin Freeman who did that to Timbo? asked him to name his favourite Ramones album
[Partridge]I'd have to say, The Best of The Ramones[/Partridge]
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
I would have thought we would have been seen as the more racist club in Birmingham when you consider that Blues had the most famous multi-racial firm in England.
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Well you thought wrong.
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Villa have never had a right-wing mentality and so I'd venture that the NF would have been wasting their time with us. Try the other mob up the road.
I would have thought we would have been seen as the more racist club in Birmingham when you consider that Blues had the most famous multi-racial firm in England.
Yeah, about 4 years after we did.
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Please do not feed he troll.
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Please do not feed he troll.
Who is the troll there?
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Handsworth. He has previous.
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Lovejoy used to support Watford. He now supports Chelsea.
Before all the Soccer AM crap and you even begin to listen to the banal nonsense he spouts, you know he’s a c***.
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I used to quite enjoy soccer am when I first became aware of it- it was quite funny for a season or two. Then it went stale and I've not really watched it for a number of years. And yes love joy is a Cnut. That's the only way to describe someone who switches teams to chase the glory.
Someone told me a quite interesting yarn about Helen chamberlain though. Not sure if there's any truth in it, but I heard she made a lot of dough playing poker in Vegas - then started some business venture that was very successful all at quite a young age before she started doing soccer am. I'll look a twat if it turns out not to be true, but I couldn't be arsed to check before posting this.
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Someone I know was based in Andover with the army about 18 months ago and got to know Helen who does a lot of work with Help for Heroes. She's an extremely nice lady by all accounts, called my cousin and spent 20 minutes on the phone with him. She also cringes at most of the stuff on Soccer AM and when the camera breaks away she apparently quite often rolls her eyes at the sketches they do. To her, its a well paid job and nothing more.
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Someone told me a quite interesting yarn about Helen chamberlain though. Not sure if there's any truth in it, but I heard she made a lot of dough playing poker in Vegas - then started some business venture that was very successful all at quite a young age before she started doing soccer am. I'll look a twat if it turns out not to be true, but I couldn't be arsed to check before posting this.
Don't think that's true, she was working in a holiday camp and doing some part-time DJ-ing before she was talent spotted.
The Vegas thing might be getting confused with the Poker Million tournament she won a few years back.
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I also loved the first few years of Soccer AM when it was in the broom cupboard. I actually found Lovejoy quite a funny chap until it all went to his ego.
My mate was round Helen's house a few years ago doing an electrical job when he went to bend down to take a look at something (he's a big lad and need sthe support) and put his hand on her knickers on a dresser. He tried to play it cool and pretend it didn't happen but she saw this and his attempts to be polite dispite the beetroot face and smirked away at him. No doubt throwing them back the wash afterwards though.
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I'm looking forward to this guy's article if he uses this thread as his inspiuration. It's going to be a belter.