Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours

[Villafirst]

Bit surprised we didn't bid for Redmond.....good goal today. Puncheon looks good as an AM in tonight's game.

[eastie]

Mata is one of the best ten players in the league. He'll have his pick of Champions/Europa League teams if Chelsea are daft enough to sell/loan him.

Indeed.

Yes , couldn't agree more

[dave.woodhall]

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

Keane and Walker were the same - a short-term solution to a problem.

[eamonn]

They solved a problem for us but we also helped develop a player for Spurs with them getting an added bonus of him being off their wage-bill for a few months.

With Keane, a player  in the latter stages of his career playing in an inferior league on the other side of the world, we gave him top-level games that he craved during the off-season of his parent club. Galaxy were reluctant if memory serves, preferring him to rest before their season begun once again.

[pauliewalnuts]

I hope we strengthen more.

I'm far from convinced that the additions we've made so far will be enough to improve us significantly. That's not to say I've decided they're all shit, because I haven't, I like the look of a number of them, but I'd like to see us add more options.

I think we're going to struggle creatively without a decent CAM, for example..

[pauliewalnuts]

They solved a problem for us but we also helped develop a player for Spurs with them getting an added bonus of him being off their wage-bill for a few months.

Isn't that basically the loan system in a nutshell, though?

I was glad we had Walker for that two thirds of a season. He was really good, he strengthened us. The alternative was sticking with what we had.

I do think, though, that the loan system needs change. For starters, no more PL clubs lending players to other PL clubs. Then there's the way Chelsea will buy half the talent in Europe, then lend them out year after year.

[PaulWinch again]

I hope we strengthen more.

I'm far from convinced that the additions we've made so far will be enough to improve us significantly. That's not to say I've decided they're all shit, because I haven't, I like the look of a number of them, but I'd like to see us add more options.

I think we're going to struggle creatively without a decent CAM, for example..

I think we need a creative addition definitely. I really hope we have something decent in the pipeline.

[eastie]

I would like an attacking midfielder but I'm not  expecting it , if it happens great , if not i think we have a squad capable of at least a top 10 finish as we are .
Maybe lambert will sit on the money and see what the situation is in January .

[KevinGage]

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

Keane and Walker were the same - a short-term solution to a problem.

With the Walker deal, there was talk initially of it being made permanent and Walker being very happy with that.  He did seem to fit right in from the get go.

He was signed by Tottingham with Naughton, around the time we signed Delph in 2009. And at the time he was out on loan at QPR and then us in 2010/11, he was fourth choice behind Corluka, Naughton and Hutton. 

But his form with us earned him England recognition within about a month, so any chance of a permanent deal pretty much bit the dust then. That's the chance you take with loans for younger, promising players.   

A shame, but I don't have an issue with us doing a deal like that if there is some prospect of a permanent offer.  If we are just developing other clubs players -and that's clear from the outset-  that's where I'd have concerns.

[paul_e]

I just don't think an established premier league club should be entering into loans from another established premier league club with no sell on clause unless it's an emergency loan for injury cover or similar.  That said I'd prefer it to be banned again anyway.

I'd also like to see a law change around the number of players you can have out on loan.  I think the Chelsea situation (buying players and loaning them out immediately for over a year in a lot of cases) is terrible for the long term health of the game.

[dave.woodhall]

I just don't think an established premier league club should be entering into loans from another established premier league club with no sell on clause unless it's an emergency loan for injury cover or similar.  That said I'd prefer it to be banned again anyway.

I'd also like to see a law change around the number of players you can have out on loan.  I think the Chelsea situation (buying players and loaning them out immediately for over a year in a lot of cases) is terrible for the long term health of the game.

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

[paul_e]

I agree, 2 easy changes to the laws that would be hugely beneficial to the league.

As part of number 2 you'd have to careful to remove loopholes allowing players to be signed but not actually move until a later date.

[sirlordbaltimore]

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

Agreed. With the money that's going around the premier league these days, the idea that any team needs to loan a player seems ridiculous to me

[Holtemeister]

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

Absolutely agree, loans should never happen between clubs in the same league or higher

That would deter although never prevent stockpiling

[Mister E]

Loans are not the solution - simply because they don't fit in with the current Lambert project ( he's trying to develop a group of young players that will grow and improve together. Loanees don't really fit into that process).

The challenge is this: who out there is young, inspiring and relatively inexpensive? - I don't know who he'll come up with, but I suspect Lambert will do similar to last season and bring in someone last-minute, with a reasonable price tag.

If he's offloaded Given, Ireland, Hutton and Bannan on loan or for good, that will clearly aid the move for someone else.