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Title: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on April 10, 2013, 01:26:41 PM

  I felt too guilty to start a Summer transfer, speculation and complete bs thread. I was interested in the papers yesterday that Everton were not going to offer P Nev another year and that he feels that another season is well within his abilities.  He is currently going through his coaching badges and is gong to be working with the England U21 side.  On a free transfer, 12 month contract with his experience surely this is the sort of player that could lend ur midfield some bite when we are 1 or 2 goals up and about to have our normal suicidal defending spell. 

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 01:28:52 PM

As a leader and captain and with his versatility across the back 4 and in midfield i would say yes .

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Yeltzer on April 10, 2013, 01:46:41 PM

A no brainier, surely?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Villan For Life on April 10, 2013, 01:49:32 PM

A yes from me. Would provide the experience and nous that we lack and help no end in the development of our young squad. A model pro on the books is just what we need.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: AVH87 on April 10, 2013, 01:55:14 PM

Massive no from me, a 36 year old who's looked a liability in a couple of Everton games recently.

Don't feel our stock has dropped that low that we have to take their cast offs, do the right business in the summer and we could be a top half PL club next season.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 01:57:38 PM

I think the idea of an experienced head with a bit of leadership in the middle of the park sounds just what we need. However, we can find that in a 26 year old, not a 36 year old.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: MoetVillan on April 10, 2013, 01:57:54 PM

No way.  Too old.  Too slow.  Too expensive.  Not a good sign for the youngsters we have. Plus 2000 European cup, gave that penalty away against Portugal.  Still pains me

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: glasses on April 10, 2013, 02:00:33 PM

Quote from: hoyle87 on April 10, 2013, 01:55:14 PM

Massive no from me, a 36 year old who's looked a liability in a couple of Everton games recently.

Don't feel our stock has dropped that low that we have to take their cast offs, do the right business in the summer and we could be a top half PL club next season.

I's not a massive 'No' for me, but it is a small to moderate one. I agree with the last point. Let's see what we can do in the summer.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: glasses on April 10, 2013, 02:01:36 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on April 10, 2013, 01:57:54 PM

No way.  Too old.  Too slow.  Too expensive.  Not a good sign for the youngsters we have. Plus 2000 European cup, gave that penalty away against Portugal.  Still pains me

It pains you so much that you can't remember that it was against Romania who he gave the penalty away to.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 10, 2013, 02:05:37 PM

No. I just think he's a w**ker.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: tomd2103 on April 10, 2013, 02:08:15 PM

Depends on how much we have to spend.  For me, a centre-back and an attacking midfielder are priorities in the summer if we stay up and we should be looking at bringing in real quality in those two positions.  I think we also need a wide attacking option and if there is little money left after that, then picking up Phil Neville for no fee for a season might be a decent a move.  I don't think he would start for us, but he'd be good cover for both full-back positions and central midfield.

Saying that, I can't see it happening.     

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Concrete John on April 10, 2013, 02:10:39 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 01:57:38 PM

I think the idea of an experienced head with a bit of leadership in the middle of the park sounds just what we need. However, we can find that in a 26 year old, not a 36 year old.

Pretty much this for me.

I can see the benefits, but we should be looking for the 10 years younger version.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 10, 2013, 02:14:33 PM

I'd rather stick with what we've got than Phil Neville. 

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 10, 2013, 02:29:43 PM

10 minutes left in a game, we're 1-0 up. We're under the cosh. We need an old head on the pitch to take some responsibility or leadership do we bring on Phil Neville or Barry Bannan? No brainer - if the money he wants is sensible, and he's happy to be a bit part player and play cup games then get him. His professionalism, winning attitude and experience could really help the likes of Bennett and Delph

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 10, 2013, 02:30:54 PM

No. Past it

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 02:35:35 PM

I wouldn't say no if he is used as a squad player.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2013, 02:46:58 PM

Is he youthful and relatively cheap?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: peter w on April 10, 2013, 02:50:36 PM

No point. Will be 37 this time next year and getting creakier even if he still looks about 28 or 29.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: mrfuse on April 10, 2013, 02:57:10 PM

A big No from me as well, Everton are great for getting the most out of older experienced players and if they have finished with him then he will not be of any use to us im afraid.

I agree we need an experienced Midfielder but just not this one.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Billy Walker on April 10, 2013, 03:06:21 PM

A big no from me. 

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2013, 03:14:23 PM

If he is all that he would potentially mean to us then Everton would be keeping him for themselves. With the right addition or two in key areas I don't see us being that far behind them. We can do better than a 36yr midfielder.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Ger Regan on April 10, 2013, 03:22:03 PM

No way. Ability wise he is waning significantly, and is only going to get worse. Plenty more options out there that we could go for.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2013, 03:50:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2013, 03:14:23 PM

If he is all that he would potentially mean to us then Everton would be keeping him for themselves. With the right addition or two in key areas I don't see us being that far behind them. We can do better than a 36yr midfielder.

Agreed, Neville is still a decent player but I just don't think we should be looking to someone like that.  As for closing up on Everton I guess that depends on keeping hold of players, IF we keep our better players and they lose Baines and Fellaini (both have been linked with clubs for a few months now) the gap could be pretty small this time next year.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: *shellac* on April 10, 2013, 03:57:17 PM

Baines looks Man U bound, Fellaini looks likely to be the replacement for Lampard.ﹰ

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2013, 03:59:00 PM

2 years ago, absolutely but then Everton wouldn't have let him go then. Definitely past it now. We'd be in Pires territory again.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: AVH87 on April 10, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

I'd certainly like to see them lose Baines and Fellaini and us strengthen in the summer and build a team around Benteke, my Mrs is an Everton fan and it feels like the banter's been all one way for a while now. Was so close at Goodison this season to giving some back but even then she was having the last laugh.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Fasth56 on April 10, 2013, 04:00:54 PM

Another no, there will be better free transfers available around Europe than Neville. I was screaming no at the TV when he made that tackle on Moldovan.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Ger Regan on April 10, 2013, 04:57:18 PM

Quote from: Ross on April 10, 2013, 03:59:00 PM

2 years ago, absolutely but then Everton wouldn't have let him go then. Definitely past it now. We'd be in Pires territory again.

But without the natural talent. He's been a good professional throughout his career, but not a whole lot more than that.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2013, 05:14:30 PM

A fit Essien would be a better option but he seems to have recurring injury issues.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Fasth56 on April 10, 2013, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Mister E on April 10, 2013, 05:14:30 PM

A fit Essien would be a better option but he seems to have recurring injury issues.

Good shout, only 30 as well.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: spangley1812 on April 10, 2013, 05:23:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Its perfectly realistic if he accepts a cut in his wages back to £35/£40 per week.......

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:25:52 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on April 10, 2013, 05:23:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Its perfectly realistic if he accepts a cut in his wages back to £35/£40 per week.......

Not sure what is left on his city contract but If Mancini goes then a move for Barry and lescott could be good business - quality and experience .

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2013, 05:44:43 PM

"A fit Essien"

*chuckle*

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: ozzjim on April 10, 2013, 05:46:55 PM

I think Neville would not be a bad addition to the dressing room, coaching side or indeed the team in certain situations next season.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2013, 05:59:46 PM

Barry and Lescott would be great players to bring in but if we're trying to get the wage bil under control, is that likley to happen?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:04:09 PM

Quote from: Clampy on April 10, 2013, 05:59:46 PM

Barry and Lescott would be great players to bring in but if we're trying to get the wage bil under control, is that likley to happen?

Depends who we move off the wage bill i guess, if dunne , Hutton , warnock, and petrovs wage is no longer there along with maybe bent and Ireland i think there would be scope to bring in 2 or 3 high earners- obviously barry and lescott would have to accept a fair drop in wages from what they got at city.

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Ron Manager on April 10, 2013, 06:07:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Its not. Never works a player coming back to his original club Eastie. Remember Andy Gray?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: danno on April 10, 2013, 06:09:47 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on April 10, 2013, 06:07:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Its not. Never works a player coming back to his original club Eastie. Remember Andy Gray?

Sid?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:10:29 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on April 10, 2013, 06:07:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 05:18:29 PM

I'd love to see gareth Barry back but not sure if its realistic.

Its not. Never works a player coming back to his original club Eastie. Remember Andy Gray?

Cowans, Staunton, Milner?

Title: Re: Phil Neville
Post by: Ron Manager on April 10, 2013, 06:15:37 PM

Alright . Maybe you are both right with Cowans. I would like to see someone of authority in the middle a real captain.

Cant think who for the life of me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 06:29:50 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on April 10, 2013, 01:26:41 PM

  I felt too guilty to start a Summer transfer, speculation and complete bs thread....

Might as well be - just means that the bullshit links between now and the summer can be kept in one place so I've renamed it.

Phil Neville? I can't think of many people less in line with Lambert's transfer philosophy up to now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:31:14 PM

Nice to see the old thread return dave, its been missed ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 06:35:50 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:31:14 PM

Nice to see the old thread return dave, its been missed ;)

I trust we can leave it in your capable hands until the rest of us join in in June?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:39:16 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 10, 2013, 06:35:50 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:31:14 PM

Nice to see the old thread return dave, its been missed ;)

I trust we can leave it in your capable hands until the rest of us join in in June?

I will treat it with great love and affection :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on April 10, 2013, 06:39:34 PM

Lambert will have his own way of how he thinks the squad can move forward and i do not think Neville will be part of that. I personally think he will be looking at the Bundesliga to adopt the german philosophy which he worked amongst in the past .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:42:55 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on April 10, 2013, 06:39:34 PM

Lambert will have his own way of how he thinks the squad can move forward and i do not think Neville will be part of that. I personally think he will be looking at the Bundesliga to adopt the german philosophy which he worked amongst in the past .....

I think there are some players who can be moved on that havent grasped their chance this season but of course to sell you need a buyer and some of our surplus players may not get much attention .

We need a quality central defender and midfielder and perhaps a wide option , but until we see what division we are in and ho moves on its hard to really be sure .

Only bent is likely to attract a decent sum of cash from the fringe players , but I'd be prepared to look at bids for bannan, albrighton, given, Ireland, Holman , and kea and release dunne and lichaj.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2013, 06:47:15 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:31:14 PM

Nice to see the old thread return dave, its been missed ;)

No it hasn't. Far too early for all the shite that gets spouted in here. No, I'm not a fan of this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on April 10, 2013, 06:59:36 PM

I agree and its far too early to be suggesting Danny Murphy of Blackburn.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on April 10, 2013, 06:59:40 PM

I see there's no mention of 'bullshit' or 'utter bollocks' in the thread title. Are these not allowed this year?

Just asking.

Anyways, if Malaga are forced to sell a few this summer I wouldn't say no to Isco.

Di Michaelis looks a good centre half but he's 32.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2013, 06:59:54 PM

it's a bit early mainly because nothing can be discussed until we're sure what league we're going to be in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2013, 07:06:41 PM

Bullshit and bollocks will be added in due course.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:11:35 PM

Quote from: Legion on April 10, 2013, 07:06:41 PM

Bullshit and bollocks will be added in due course.

Are you putting a stickie tag on it ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on April 10, 2013, 07:12:23 PM

Andros Townsend is someone I think who'd do well here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:14:16 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 10, 2013, 07:12:23 PM

Andros Townsend is someone I think who'd do well here.

Looked good on Sunday but I haven't seen enough of him to judge long term.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2013, 07:14:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:11:35 PM

Quote from: Legion on April 10, 2013, 07:06:41 PM

Bullshit and bollocks will be added in due course.

Are you putting a stickie tag on it ?

At the end of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 10, 2013, 07:16:28 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:14:16 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 10, 2013, 07:12:23 PM

Andros Townsend is someone I think who'd do well here.

Looked good on Sunday but I haven't seen enough of him to judge long term.

Think Spuds will be having him back for a wide role.
Someone we should definitely look at is Anderson from
united as he's available this summer

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2013, 07:42:05 PM

Quote from: Legion on April 10, 2013, 06:47:15 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 06:31:14 PM

Nice to see the old thread return dave, its been missed ;)

No it hasn't. Far too early for all the shite that gets spouted in here. No, I'm not a fan of this.

Got to agree, far too early.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on April 10, 2013, 07:42:14 PM

Can't see Barry and Lescott being offered to us unless Benteke is on City's shopping list this summer.  If that was the case I'd be asking for Lescott and Milner.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:48:40 PM

I posted this little snippet on another thread but its worth sharing here as it gives an insight into how we scout transfer targets which I find encouraging from Steve Evans the Crewe boss-

"Clubs had monitored Ash for a long period of time. Villa came in, we thought Villa was a bit of a surprise. But then we found out that they had a thirty game dossier on him so they've done their homework; they knew what they were getting. But nobody else did, so fair play to them; they came in late with all their money and what a fantastic opportunity for him."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 07:59:12 PM

Danny Rose for the left back spot wouldn't be the worst bit of business. 

Fits the profile, young and up and coming. 

Has a bit of bite to his game too, in contast to Bennett.   I still think Bennett has a future, though. There is talent there.   

The other benefit with Rose is he can play a few positions, so it wouldn't necessarily be one or t'other anyroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 10, 2013, 08:04:34 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 07:48:40 PM

I posted this little snippet on another thread but its worth sharing here as it gives an insight into how we scout transfer targets which I find encouraging from Steve Evans the Crewe boss-

"Clubs had monitored Ash for a long period of time. Villa came in, we thought Villa was a bit of a surprise. But then we found out that they had a thirty game dossier on him so they've done their homework; they knew what they were getting. But nobody else did, so fair play to them; they came in late with all their money and what a fantastic opportunity for him."

Wow, that is encouraging.  Presumably that nous was obtained by Lambert's left hand man (who's name escapes me) and was compiled whilst they were at Norwich.  You'd hope that now they're at a big club the range of players they're now compiling 30 game dossiers on will include players which would be considered above Norwich too. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Kachloul but not as good .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .
If stoke go down maybe shawcross?  I did like the look of Charlie Adam at Blackpool but he seems to have slipped back recently .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:10:58 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Kachloul but not as good .

We are already bottom of the fair play league and already have Delph to pick up bookings galore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .

maybe , I dont know.   Someone like him who would grab our own players by the balls to wake them up ;) and get stuck in on the opposition ..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 10, 2013, 08:13:13 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .
If stoke go down maybe shawcross?  I did like the look of Charlie Adam at Blackpool but he seems to have slipped back recently .

Injury prone or keeps getting sent off?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:13:42 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:10:58 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Kachloul but not as good .

We are already bottom of the fair play league and already have Delph to pick up bookings galore.

I dont mind people getting bookings If they show some passion , it;s the players who never get stuck in because they might mud their boots

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 10, 2013, 08:13:44 PM

And here in begins the wish list of relegated PL teams players, players who would never in a million years sign for us and those using Football Manager to inform everyone who's worth a punt on.

In my opinion, these threads are the worst threads on this message board.

I will now avoid as per usual.

Forgive the rant if you will.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:14:47 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .

maybe , I dont know.   Someone like him who would grab our own players by the balls to wake them up ;) and get stuck in on the opposition ..

Not sure he's that tough , I remember him crying at boro when we were 4-0 up much to Kevin Phillips amusement.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:14:47 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .

maybe , I dont know.   Someone like him who would grab our own players by the balls to wake them up ;) and get stuck in on the opposition ..

Not sure he's that tough , I remember him crying at boro when we were 4-0 up much to Kevin Phillips amusement.

hey !!  nought wrong with caring Eastie ;)     better than Ireland

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:18:40 PM

Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 10, 2013, 08:13:44 PM

And here in begins the wish list of relegated PL teams players, players who would never in a million years sign for us and those using Football Manager to inform everyone who's worth a punt on.

In my opinion, these threads are the worst threads on this message board.

I will now avoid as per usual.

Forgive the rant if you will.

I dont mind these threads . Stop's me going on chatroulette   ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:20:12 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:18:40 PM

Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 10, 2013, 08:13:44 PM

And here in begins the wish list of relegated PL teams players, players who would never in a million years sign for us and those using Football Manager to inform everyone who's worth a punt on.

In my opinion, these threads are the worst threads on this message board.

I will now avoid as per usual.

Forgive the rant if you will.

I dont mind these threads . Stop's me going on chatroulette   ;)

Eastie will be very happy here until August 31st :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:20:40 PM

Would prefer us to sign actual footballers, rather than scufflers like Cattermole.

The biggest complaint from Sunderland fans over the past 12 months seems to be the lack of quality they have in the centre of the park.  I don't see how signing Cattermole will be the answer to any deficiencies we have in that regard. 

He's always struck me as the kind of limited player that will eventually end up at B-lose, or somewhere equally uninspiring.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:24:23 PM

Really many of us can only speculate on players we see whereas I guess lambert may well pick up 2 or 3 from the likes of holland, Germany , Belgium- he certainly seems to cast his net wide and have contacts in Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:25:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:13:42 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:10:58 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Kachloul but not as good .

We are already bottom of the fair play league and already have Delph to pick up bookings galore.

I dont mind people getting bookings If they show some passion , it;s the players who never get stuck in because they might mud their boots

You can get stuck in without getting sent off every five minutes. Regardless of his disciplinary record, I don't rate him anyway. Wouldn't suit our style at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2013, 08:27:15 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:20:40 PM

Would prefer us to sign actual footballers, rather than scufflers like Cattermole.

The biggest complaint from Sunderland fans over the past 12 months seems to be the lack of quality they have in the centre of the park.  I don't see how signing Cattermole will be the answer to any deficiencies we have in that regard. 

He's always struck me as the kind of limited player that will eventually end up at B-lose, or somewhere equally uninspiring.

He hasn't learned how to tackle and has been playing at the highest levels of football for about a decade now. I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 08:30:51 PM

Bradley Johnson - Norwich. Good all round midfielder.
Scott Sinclair - Man City. Winger. Loan
Danny Rose. Spurs. Left back.
James McCarthy. Wigan. Midfielder.
Arouna Kone. Wigan. Striker.
Jonas Olsson. WBA. Centre back.

Done 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 08:30:51 PM

Bradley Johnson - Norwich. Good all round midfielder.
Scott Sinclair - Man City. Winger. Loan
Danny Rose. Spurs. Left back.
James McCarthy. Wigan. Midfielder.
Arouna Kone. Wigan. Striker.
Jonas Olsson. WBA. Centre back.

Done 8)

Some good names there, Sinclair would be a great wide option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:20:40 PM

Would prefer us to sign actual footballers, rather than scufflers like Cattermole.

The biggest complaint from Sunderland fans over the past 12 months seems to be the lack of quality they have in the centre of the park.  I don't see how signing Cattermole will be the answer to any deficiencies we have in that regard. 

He's always struck me as the kind of limited player that will eventually end up at B-lose, or somewhere equally uninspiring.

maybe , but its funny how we are all on here rubbing our hands If we play them and Cattermole is out .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:40:58 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:37:35 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 08:30:51 PM

Bradley Johnson - Norwich. Good all round midfielder.
Scott Sinclair - Man City. Winger. Loan
Danny Rose. Spurs. Left back.
James McCarthy. Wigan. Midfielder.
Arouna Kone. Wigan. Striker.
Jonas Olsson. WBA. Centre back.

Done 8)

Some good names there, Sinclair would be a great wide option.

hes a winger !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:41:56 PM

Anyway Lambert's first signing will be  Will Grigg

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: j66acd on April 10, 2013, 08:43:58 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 08:30:51 PM

Bradley Johnson - Norwich. Good all round midfielder.
Scott Sinclair - Man City. Winger. Loan
Danny Rose. Spurs. Left back.
James McCarthy. Wigan. Midfielder.
Arouna Kone. Wigan. Striker.
Jonas Olsson. WBA. Centre back.

Done 8)

No chance, there's nobody currently playing in the championship or league 1!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2013, 08:45:32 PM

I've wondered whether we would go for Liam Bridcutt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on April 10, 2013, 08:45:44 PM

The media section of the AVFC website says that on the clubcall website (I know) that we are looking at Flamini from AC Milan, that would be nice!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:47:08 PM

Seeing as a new centre-back is an absolute priority. Jores Okore would be a decent shout. Not sure if he unrealistic for us or not though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:49:43 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:41:56 PM

Anyway Lambert's first signing will be  Will Grigg

Is that confirmed? Thought that was just paper talk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:49:51 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:47:08 PM

Seeing as a new centre-back is an absolute priority. Jores Okore would be a decent shout. Not sure if he unrealistic for us or not though.

The young Danish lad , why would he be unrealistic? Seems a decent shout and i daresay wages and fee wouldnt be out of reach.

Some interesting names being bandied about  tonight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on April 10, 2013, 08:53:04 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on April 10, 2013, 08:27:15 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:20:40 PM

Would prefer us to sign actual footballers, rather than scufflers like Cattermole.

The biggest complaint from Sunderland fans over the past 12 months seems to be the lack of quality they have in the centre of the park.  I don't see how signing Cattermole will be the answer to any deficiencies we have in that regard. 

He's always struck me as the kind of limited player that will eventually end up at B-lose, or somewhere equally uninspiring.

He hasn't learned how to tackle and has been playing at the highest levels of football for about a decade now. I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

This for me. Ii have to agree that he is past his best and we do not need him. Younger blood with experience is out there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:57:09 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 08:20:40 PM

Would prefer us to sign actual footballers, rather than scufflers like Cattermole.

The biggest complaint from Sunderland fans over the past 12 months seems to be the lack of quality they have in the centre of the park.  I don't see how signing Cattermole will be the answer to any deficiencies we have in that regard. 

He's always struck me as the kind of limited player that will eventually end up at B-lose, or somewhere equally uninspiring.

maybe , but its funny how we are all on here rubbing our hands If we play them and Cattermole is out .

It's the opposite for me, in all honesty. 

Our midfield is one of the weaker in the division, but I always feel confident we'll see more of the ball when we play Sunderland and Stoke, and dominate that area at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 09:00:50 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:49:51 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:47:08 PM

Seeing as a new centre-back is an absolute priority. Jores Okore would be a decent shout. Not sure if he unrealistic for us or not though.

The young Danish lad , why would he be unrealistic? Seems a decent shout and i daresay wages and fee wouldnt be out of reach.

Some interesting names being bandied about  tonight.

If it is true that CL clubs could be in for him, he could be unrealistic in that sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 09:28:22 PM

Valon Berisha for midfield

he turned us down as a 15 year old but looks a good prospect

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on April 10, 2013, 10:00:59 PM

Douglas at centre back, the Ipswich left back to compete with Bennett, Russell Martin back up right back, leroy Fer in midfield, guidetti up front (loan) and matt Phillips.

Job done

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 10, 2013, 10:04:09 PM

No no no. No Neville, no Barry and no Essien. We have moved on now and and we are not a TK Mexx club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 10, 2013, 10:17:53 PM

I spoke to Gareth Barry at the Petrov game at Halesowen Town. He would definitely come back. I think if he was told he was no longer likely to play regularly at Man.Ci£y he'd take the cut and come back. Despite what some think of him he does have a lot of affection for the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 10, 2013, 10:19:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2013, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:07:47 PM

Cattermole - If Sunderland go down .  Would not hurt in the squad . Replace KEA , he's just another Hadji but not as good .

I like cattermole but worry he is somewhat injury prone over the last 2 years .
If stoke go down maybe shawcross?  I did like the look of Charlie Adam at Blackpool but he seems to have slipped back recently .

I agree about Adam - was very good at Blackpool. In fairness to Adam, his dad died earlier this season and Pulis reckons it has affected him badly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 10, 2013, 10:23:30 PM

Quote from: hoyle87 on April 10, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

I'd certainly like to see them lose Baines and Fellaini and us strengthen in the summer and build a team around Benteke, my Mrs is an Everton fan and it feels like the banter's been all one way for a while now. Was so close at Goodison this season to giving some back but even then she was having the last laugh.

Difficult. But you had a good 3 years of credit after Young's goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on April 10, 2013, 10:24:35 PM

Surely all of this depends on which division we are playing in.Talk about getting ahead of ourselves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 10, 2013, 10:25:18 PM

Can I throw in 2 centre half suggestions that would sort out the defence - Hangelaand from Fulham available free I think, and Lescott as part of Man City's clear out (this one may be unrealistic due to wages and better offers from clubs in Europe, but hey he is a Villa fan so you never know).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 10, 2013, 10:26:42 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on April 10, 2013, 10:24:35 PM

Surely all of this depends on which division we are playing in.Talk about getting ahead of ourselves.

Good point. Phil Neville would be good if we're in the Championship!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on April 10, 2013, 10:30:17 PM

Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on April 10, 2013, 10:25:18 PM

Can I throw in 2 centre half suggestions that would sort out the defence - Hangelaand from Fulham available free I think, and Lescott as part of Man City's clear out (this one may be unrealistic due to wages and better offers from clubs in Europe, but hey he is a Villa fan so you never know).

Hangelaand 31 and on around £70,000 per week, Lescott 30 and on £90,000. I would think one of them would be ok, however going for both would be a great risk given their ages and salaries.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 10:57:17 PM

I might have been hallucinating from lack of sleep - that's happened before, alright-  but I'm pretty sure I heard Jol wittering on about how good it was to be retaining the Hange monster on a longterm deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on April 10, 2013, 11:15:07 PM

In seriousness do we think its a continued policy of buying young hungry players ? If so older pro/ high earners ain't happening! I do feel some experience is needed however when we stay up Lambert/lerner policy and point proved - means more of the football league and Belgium/dutch/swiss/french/austrian markets. We re talking value for money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 10, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

Luke Murphy from Crewe, Chester if Hull don't come up. Sinclair would be good. Then a utility full back from the continent that can defend! We need 4 or 5 depending on departures. I think ghere may well be a Coutinho like creator brought in too if we survive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 11, 2013, 12:10:09 AM

Another potential CB target could be Stefan de Vrij. We seem to have a thing for Feyenoord players now. 20 and already their captain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2013, 12:19:32 AM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 10, 2013, 10:57:17 PM

I might have been hallucinating from lack of sleep - that's happened before, alright-  but I'm pretty sure I heard Jol wittering on about how good it was to be retaining the Hange monster on a longterm deal.

I'm pretty sure I heard the commentator say during the Fulham v QPR game that he had signed a new deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2013, 12:34:13 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2013, 08:30:51 PM

Bradley Johnson - Norwich. Good all round midfielder.
Scott Sinclair - Man City. Winger. Loan
Danny Rose. Spurs. Left back.
James McCarthy. Wigan. Midfielder.
Arouna Kone. Wigan. Striker.
Jonas Olsson. WBA. Centre back.

Done 8)

Would sign him in a heartbeat if he was available at the right price.  Still only 22, but has got quite a bit of Premiership experience already.  Would be a great signing and would fit in well alongside Westwood. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2013, 12:50:19 AM

Given the dearth of goals from midfield and the attempt to buy Clint Dempsey last summer I wonder will we be looking for something similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on April 11, 2013, 08:14:45 AM

Neville isn't the worst shout in the world. He's 'past it', but if he can still contribute at our level then why not? Everton are chasing the Champions League, if we're still in the division next season then someone like Neville with the know-how and experience to win a game could be beneficial.

Look at our results since January 1st. So many games we've thrown away points late on. Even on Saturday we'd have thrown another two away if it wasn't for a moment of individual brilliance.

I'm not saying we should sign him, but if we do then you can see why Lambert will have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:27:15 AM

It would be interesting to see if we keep the current approach of developing younger players. I'm glad we started this last season, as I'm pretty sure a few clubs over the next couple of seasons will see this work for Villa and try something similar. Not many clubs can continue with the approach of buying proven quality with high wages. The days of clubs like Bolton bringing in huge names at the back end of their career are gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2013, 08:28:21 AM

I think the experience of Lescott and the youth of Okore would be a perfect answer for our stock of CB. We'd have Vlaar, Baker, Clark, Okore and Lescott; with Donacien and Willliams coming through.
I think this would also mean we can plug away with Bennett and Lowton as a specialist FB, since we'd have cover in both positions (lescott and Baker; Herd and Lichaj).

McCarthy and Berisha would be a good addition to the midfield - add them to Gardner, Delph, Westwood, Sylla, Grealish and Johnson and, once again, there is great balance of talent, experience and youth. If someone like Gazza Bazza were available for not-crazy wages, I would add them for additional MF strength, to sit in front of the back four.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:32:09 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 11, 2013, 08:14:45 AM

I'm not saying we should sign him, but if we do then you can see why Lambert will have.

Has Lambert ever signed a player like that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 11, 2013, 08:44:13 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:32:09 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 11, 2013, 08:14:45 AM

I'm not saying we should sign him, but if we do then you can see why Lambert will have.

Has Lambert ever signed a player like that?

Most of his Norwich squad were 25 or over, in fact only 5 out of the 24 were under the age of 25 so he certainly can't be accused of shying away from experienced players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:58:05 AM

Quote from: eastie on April 11, 2013, 08:44:13 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:32:09 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 11, 2013, 08:14:45 AM

I'm not saying we should sign him, but if we do then you can see why Lambert will have.

Has Lambert ever signed a player like that?

Most of his Norwich squad were 25 or over, in fact only 5 out of the 24 were under the age of 25 so he certainly can't be accused of shying away from experienced players.

Did they have Premier League experience?...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 09:00:44 AM

Max Clayton is a quality young striker at Crewe, maybe an option in the future.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 09:06:31 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 09:00:44 AM

Max Clayton is a quality young striker at Crewe, maybe an option in the future.

Fergie will be in for him, like Nick Powell, another good player who he's developing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 09:08:21 AM

Oh and I think we'll continue to look outside the Premier League to find players on the whole. I'd like Lescott and someone like McCarthy in though to add a spine to our side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

It is of course tempting fate discussing this, when we have yet to restore our PL status. But I guess it's fun...

One thing I find amusing is that in the MON years, he was heavily criticised for not looking beyond British based players, yet the majority of suggestions here are British based. Not only that, most are with PL clubs and therefore will be on contracts, which we more than likely won't be able to match.

I will be surprised if we sign a player from another PL club who has more than 12 months on his deal. I expect a smattering of players from the lower leagues along with 1 or 2 (maybe 3) well scouted and researched players from Europe.

If Lambert emulates his business in the window of last summer, I think we could be looking at a top 10 finish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MarkM on April 11, 2013, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

If Lambert emulates his business in the window of last summer, I think we could be looking at a top 10 finish.

You have seen the current league table right?

A bit more experience in the players would be an advantage

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 10:09:09 AM

Quote from: MarkM on April 11, 2013, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

If Lambert emulates his business in the window of last summer, I think we could be looking at a top 10 finish.

You have seen the current league table right?

A bit more experience in the players would be an advantage

Yes but, another injection of players like he signed would give us a pretty strong squad, plus I expect the players of this year to be stronger next year after the difficulties of this season, provided we stay up........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on April 11, 2013, 10:12:58 AM

I wonder if Holman will leave?

He seemed set to become a cult hero at the start of the season, now, well do we even miss him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 11, 2013, 10:20:49 AM

Quote from: MarkM on April 11, 2013, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

If Lambert emulates his business in the window of last summer, I think we could be looking at a top 10 finish.

You have seen the current league table right?

A bit more experience in the players would be an advantage

Daft as it seems win on Saturday and we could be 3 points off the top 10 , in fact if we win our 3 home games and beat Norwich and wigan we would probably finish top 10 this season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 10:43:00 AM

For me:

Out
Dunne (contract runs out)
Lichaj (contract runs out)
Hutton
Ireland
Given (he deserves to be starting for someone)
Bent

In
centre back (lescott or douglas)
right back
Central midfielder (Strootman)
Attacking midfielder/Forward (preferably can play central or wide - needs to be a goalscorer - Adam Maher is my favourite but well out of our reach)
Forward (compete with Benteke, or start behind or wide - Bony looks like he could play on the right as well as central)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 11:08:58 AM

Strootman will be going to someone a bit higher up the food chain than us unfortunately.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2013, 11:15:31 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 10, 2013, 08:49:43 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2013, 08:41:56 PM

Anyway Lambert's first signing will be  Will Grigg

Is that confirmed? Thought that was just paper talk.

He should have signed him in January on a pre-deal like Man Yoo did with Zaha. The kid is superb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 11:17:35 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:58:05 AM

Quote from: eastie on April 11, 2013, 08:44:13 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2013, 08:32:09 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on April 11, 2013, 08:14:45 AM

I'm not saying we should sign him, but if we do then you can see why Lambert will have.

Has Lambert ever signed a player like that?

Most of his Norwich squad were 25 or over, in fact only 5 out of the 24 were under the age of 25 so he certainly can't be accused of shying away from experienced players.

Did they have Premier League experience?...

I think it'll be interesting to see what Lambert does this summer. 

We've only had two windows, one being the notoriously difficult January, so can we really say what his philosophy is?  We needed quantity last summer, but less so now, meaning quality/experience could be focused on more.  So was it a case of he wanted to buy young players or needed to?  I can certainly agree with him that when money is tight I'd rather see us take a chance of someone like Westwood than buy another Mark Kinsella.   

Villa in 2013 is different to Villa in 2012, so will that mean his approach differs?  He's said we've missed Dunne, so that shows he values, or has at least seen that we are lacking, an experienced CB.  There was talk of Lescott in Jan, so I'm guessing that will be top of his list and go against what we saw in summer 2012.

Personally, I don't want a manager who stubbornly sticks to one tactis in the market.  MON did that with PL experience and I don't wnat to see Lambert be just as stubborn the other way.  A mixed approach is what's needed, so let's hope we can and will expand our net this summer to give us the best chance of progress.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hartman_1982 on April 11, 2013, 11:19:31 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 11:08:58 AM

Strootman will be going to someone a bit higher up the food chain than us unfortunately.

for about £20 million

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on April 11, 2013, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: eastie on April 11, 2013, 10:20:49 AM

Quote from: MarkM on April 11, 2013, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on April 11, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

If Lambert emulates his business in the window of last summer, I think we could be looking at a top 10 finish.

You have seen the current league table right?

A bit more experience in the players would be an advantage

Daft as it seems win on Saturday and we could be 3 points off the top 10 , in fact if we win our 3 home games and beat Norwich and wigan we would probably finish top 10 this season .

One thing I would like to see is if we did somehow finish top ten (can't see it happening btw) would be how those pointing to the league table as evidence of what a failed transfer policy buying mostly young players is would change their argument. I'm not taking anything for granted btw, we're obviously right in the mix relegation-wise still, but it just shows how close everything is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 11:21:13 AM

I agree, just looking at the type of player I'd like, the names are really to give an idea of who I'd like.

I typed Draxler in the Attacking midfield spot as well and then removed him, another one who can play the role that I think we need someone in.

I actually think the attacking midfielder and forward are the 2 most important players for us to get right.  I know our defence is poor and needs experience but with the right attacking signings I can see us having 2-3 goals in us every game, which means just minor improvements in defence would be enough.  Given Lamberts attacking philosophy I'd be much happier to see us aiming to score 70+ in the league and just blitz teams.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on April 11, 2013, 11:33:35 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 11:17:35 AM

Personally, I don't want a manager who stubbornly sticks to one tactis in the market.  MON did that with PL experience and I don't wnat to see Lambert be just as stubborn the other way.  A mixed approach is what's needed, so let's hope we can and will expand our net this summer to give us the best chance of progress.

Lambert does seem to prefer signing young / inexperienced players, but to say it's his only tactic is wrong imo. He also brought in 3 internationals (4 if you include Benteke). I'd be happy with a similar number of "established" players this summer (but obviously ones being more successful than KEA).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on April 11, 2013, 11:55:22 AM

I trust the manager to get the right squad together over the summer which will see us mid table if we stay up. Strange as it sounds I wouldn't be too fussed if not many came in as I think the current crop will improve again next season. If we do stay up I would expect a few more experienced heads to be added and a couple of the youngsters who don't look like they will make the grade to leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 12:00:20 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on April 11, 2013, 11:33:35 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 11:17:35 AM

Personally, I don't want a manager who stubbornly sticks to one tactis in the market.  MON did that with PL experience and I don't wnat to see Lambert be just as stubborn the other way.  A mixed approach is what's needed, so let's hope we can and will expand our net this summer to give us the best chance of progress.

Lambert does seem to prefer signing young / inexperienced players, but to say it's his only tactic is wrong imo. He also brought in 3 internationals (4 if you include Benteke). I'd be happy with a similar number of "established" players this summer (but obviously ones being more successful than KEA).

However, none of those 3/4 were PL experienced, which I think has hurt us this season.  That's not to say he was wrong in who he bought, as getting PL experience would have meant that 3/4 possibly becoming 1/2.

A player like Lescott would be exactly what I think we need this summer.  And that would be a departure from his approach in 2012. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on April 11, 2013, 12:11:17 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 12:00:20 PM

However, none of those 3/4 were PL experienced, which I think has hurt us this season.  That's not to say he was wrong in who he bought, as getting PL experience would have meant that 3/4 possibly becoming 1/2.

A player like Lescott would be exactly what I think we need this summer.  And that would be a departure from his approach in 2012. 

In fairness I'd say Vlaar's injuries were more problematic than his lack of PL experience. I'll grant you KEA, but neither Guzan nor Benteke's performances were particularly hindered by much PL playing time.

Not arguing on the likes of Lescott being a good signing btw. If some of the bigger earners move on it could well happen. I just get irked when people (not saying you) try and say that we only buy youngsters from the lower leagues, as it's untrue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 11, 2013, 12:18:45 PM

Interesting that only gabby has started over 20 games in each of the last 2 seasons in our squad which shows how much the side changed in the summer , I think now we have the nucleus of a decent side and possibly need only 3 or 4 quality players to add to the 1st team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 11, 2013, 12:44:15 PM

I think we have had our transitional season...

any lambert buys now dont need to gel as a group.. they are improving on what we have so we dont need PL experience or a desire to pay over the top for players...

I think we can add to the existing team like we did last summer without the experience worry now... and i am proud of that fact!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 01:23:48 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on April 11, 2013, 12:11:17 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 12:00:20 PM

However, none of those 3/4 were PL experienced, which I think has hurt us this season.  That's not to say he was wrong in who he bought, as getting PL experience would have meant that 3/4 possibly becoming 1/2.

A player like Lescott would be exactly what I think we need this summer.  And that would be a departure from his approach in 2012. 

In fairness I'd say Vlaar's injuries were more problematic than his lack of PL experience. I'll grant you KEA, but neither Guzan nor Benteke's performances were particularly hindered by much PL playing time.

Not arguing on the likes of Lescott being a good signing btw. If some of the bigger earners move on it could well happen. I just get irked when people (not saying you) try and say that we only buy youngsters from the lower leagues, as it's untrue.

I agree.

We signed 9 players last summer and 4 of them were over 25 and full internationals.

The problem was really the '9' bit, as that spread what cash, and room of the wagebill, we had pretty thinly.  As such, I don't think he had the option to bring in established PL players.  With a smaller number needed now, plus a few like Bent going the other way to suppliment things, I think that option is now open to him.  So those expecting a repeat of summer 2012 might be surprised as the priorities and resources could be different now.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 01:50:49 PM

Quote from: hartman_1982 on April 11, 2013, 11:19:31 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2013, 11:08:58 AM

Strootman will be going to someone a bit higher up the food chain than us unfortunately.

for about £20 million

Hmm, I've not been paying enough attention then, was being linked with decent sides for about £10m last time I saw him mentioned anywhere.  I'm not surprised though, he looks an exceptional player already and is young enough to get a lot better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on April 11, 2013, 04:42:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 11:21:13 AM

 I know our defence is poor and needs experience but with the right attacking signings I can see us having 2-3 goals in us every game, which means just minor improvements in defence would be enough.  Given Lamberts attacking philosophy I'd be much happier to see us aiming to score 70+ in the league and just blitz teams.

I think so much of that is dependant on keeping Benteke - by no means a given.  He is the centerpoint to the whole attack and -as good as Andi and Gabby have been recently- I don't think we'd be anywhere near as potent without Big Ben. 

There is an argument that Lambert found Benteke, so he can find another gem, if needs be.  It's not as simple as that, unfortunately.

Firstly, I'm not sure how big on Lambert's list of priorities Benteke was at the start of last summer, or whether he'd even heard of him.  It seems a bit of a coincidence that four of our signings came from Belgium and Holland when we had Arthur Numan there -appointed by the last guy. 

He would still deserve credit for 'having a punt,' as it were, many more cautious managers would have stuck only to players they knew. 

Perhaps I'm doing him a disservice, it's not impossible that both McLeish and PL both knew about a promising young up and coming Belgian international CF.   But I'd say it's more than likely that the detailed dossiers from Lambert's backroom staff were on lower division players.  That's the market his last club operated in largely, and Westwood and Bowery were players he might have watched with  a view to signing for Naarwich. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hartman_1982 on April 11, 2013, 04:57:20 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 11, 2013, 04:42:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 11:21:13 AM

 I know our defence is poor and needs experience but with the right attacking signings I can see us having 2-3 goals in us every game, which means just minor improvements in defence would be enough.  Given Lamberts attacking philosophy I'd be much happier to see us aiming to score 70+ in the league and just blitz teams.

I think so much of that is dependant on keeping Benteke - by no means a given.  He is the centerpoint to the whole attack and -as good as Andi and Gabby have been recently- I don't think we'd be anywhere near as potent without Big Ben. 

There is an argument that Lambert found Benteke, so he can find another gem, if needs be.  It's not as simple as that, unfortunately.

Firstly, I'm not sure how big on Lambert's list of priorities Benteke was at the start of last summer, or whether he'd even heard of him.  It seems a bit of a coincidence that four of our signings came from Belgium and Holland when we had Arthur Numan there -appointed by the last guy. 

He would still deserve credit for 'having a punt,' as it were, many more cautious managers would have stuck only to players they knew. 

Perhaps I'm doing him a disservice, it's not impossible that both McLeish and PL both knew about a promising young up and coming Belgian international CF.   But I'd say it's more than likely that the detailed dossiers from Lambert's backroom staff were on lower division players.  That's the market his last club operated in largely, and Westwood and Bowery were players he might have watched with  a view to signing for Naarwich. 

I remember seeing something about him talking to the Belgium National Coach about him and the wording he used then definitely made it seem like Benteke was his man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on April 11, 2013, 05:36:10 PM

If we sign another player from Dutch big 3, we can buy this player and send one of our midfield back in a package deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on April 11, 2013, 06:37:02 PM

I got Lambert all wrong before he came I thought he was just another mini me of MON, as its turned out he's the exact opposite
that's why I thought Holte was a nailed on signing, so I got that one spectaculary wrong

I think Lamberts hardened his views on what he wants, and will stick ridgily to the young/hungry profile,
 so i reckon that he wont sign any player, not one player who's best footballing days are considered to be behind him, i don't know where i would stand on someone like Lescot as that could be argued both ways, but you get my meaning

like i say i got it massively wrong last time so in time and trusted tradition i would add IMO

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2013, 06:42:27 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on April 11, 2013, 04:42:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 11, 2013, 11:21:13 AM

 I know our defence is poor and needs experience but with the right attacking signings I can see us having 2-3 goals in us every game, which means just minor improvements in defence would be enough.  Given Lamberts attacking philosophy I'd be much happier to see us aiming to score 70+ in the league and just blitz teams.

I think so much of that is dependant on keeping Benteke - by no means a given.  He is the centerpoint to the whole attack and -as good as Andi and Gabby have been recently- I don't think we'd be anywhere near as potent without Big Ben. 

There is an argument that Lambert found Benteke, so he can find another gem, if needs be.  It's not as simple as that, unfortunately.

Firstly, I'm not sure how big on Lambert's list of priorities Benteke was at the start of last summer, or whether he'd even heard of him.  It seems a bit of a coincidence that four of our signings came from Belgium and Holland when we had Arthur Numan there -appointed by the last guy. 

He would still deserve credit for 'having a punt,' as it were, many more cautious managers would have stuck only to players they knew. 

Perhaps I'm doing him a disservice, it's not impossible that both McLeish and PL both knew about a promising young up and coming Belgian international CF.   But I'd say it's more than likely that the detailed dossiers from Lambert's backroom staff were on lower division players.  That's the market his last club operated in largely, and Westwood and Bowery were players he might have watched with  a view to signing for Naarwich. 

Up to the Dempsey bid and signing of Benteke I was worried that Lambert was still in the mind-frame of Norwich boss when seeking-out targets. I'm convinced there was scope to do a lot more than bring in Dawkins and Sylla in January and if we were to go down that would have to be investigated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM

The thing is, the players he signed last summer now have premier league experience if we stay up, so that argument is then more redundant this summer. Guzan, Vlaar, Clark, Baker, Lowton, Bennett, Delph, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke and Bannan in fairness had not played consistent football as regular starters at this level. They have now, they have all played significant parts through the season, and all be much the wiser next season, and more so the season after. The whole point of this strategy is that they grow in experience together over time. Keeping Benteke and Weimann will be vital to that, but so will be adding fresh naivity behind them. The lack of fear young players play with is often a massive reason they are so dangerous and impressive. I would love us to get 3-4 more players of the quality of Westwood and Lowton to come up behind those guys. The odd bigger buy is great, but I want us to carry on down the route we are going down. A couple of flair players from over yonder sea would be good too.

I have a sneaky that if he is fit, Dunne will get another 12 months too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM

I have a sneaky that if he is fit, Dunne will get another 12 months too.

I struggle to see any club taking a punt on him based on his weird, largely unexplained injuries he's had this year.
This could help us as we could sign him for 12 months on a risk free/cheap pay as you play type deal to put him in the shop window for a move the following year.  However most likely I feel is a or move to the States to take over Beckham's non playing sex symbol role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 07:22:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM

I have a sneaky that if he is fit, Dunne will get another 12 months too.

I struggle to see any club taking a punt on him based on his weird, largely unexplained injuries he's had this year.
This could help us as we could sign him for 12 months on a risk free/cheap pay as you play type deal to put him in the shop window for a move the following year.  However most likely I feel is a or move to the States to take over Beckham's non playing sex symbol role.

Only place Dunne is a sex symbol is at a weight watchers meeting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 11, 2013, 10:23:51 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 11, 2013, 07:22:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM

I have a sneaky that if he is fit, Dunne will get another 12 months too.

I struggle to see any club taking a punt on him based on his weird, largely unexplained injuries he's had this year.
This could help us as we could sign him for 12 months on a risk free/cheap pay as you play type deal to put him in the shop window for a move the following year.  However most likely I feel is a or move to the States to take over Beckham's non playing sex symbol role.

Only place Dunne is a sex symbol is at a weight watchers meeting.

Now would you like to come up to the front and tell us why you are the size of a house.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 11, 2013, 10:37:33 PM

Will Grigg is only 6 months or so younger than Benteke, so not sure if he falls into the 'kid' bracket.  If Walsall go up (which'd be fantastic), I'd stay there another year & take my chance.

I read somewhere PL was looking at going back to Norwich for his old left back Russell Martin.  He scores plenty of goals, so would be a reasonable investment & an improvement on the current stock.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:11:37 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 11, 2013, 06:55:15 PM

The thing is, the players he signed last summer now have premier league experience if we stay up, so that argument is then more redundant this summer. Guzan, Vlaar, Clark, Baker, Lowton, Bennett, Delph, Westwood, Weimann, Benteke and Bannan in fairness had not played consistent football as regular starters at this level. They have now, they have all played significant parts through the season, and all be much the wiser next season, and more so the season after. The whole point of this strategy is that they grow in experience together over time. Keeping Benteke and Weimann will be vital to that, but so will be adding fresh naivity behind them. The lack of fear young players play with is often a massive reason they are so dangerous and impressive. I would love us to get 3-4 more players of the quality of Westwood and Lowton to come up behind those guys. The odd bigger buy is great, but I want us to carry on down the route we are going down. A couple of flair players from over yonder sea would be good too.

I have a sneaky that if he is fit, Dunne will get another 12 months too.

To be honest Ozz, I don't think we can rely on some of them next season.  Let's not forget that we have been pretty ordinary (at best) for a lot of this season and it could be argued that we are always going to struggle in the top flight if we are going to continually rely some of the players you mentioned.  I believe that in Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Westwood, Delph (at times), Weimann, Benteke and Gabby (again at times) we have the core of a good side, and what we need is to fill the gaps in that side with quality and add a couple of different options to the squad. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 07:33:38 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

I only heard Martin on the radio, I was blissfully unaware Norwich had 2! Apologies.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on April 12, 2013, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

I thought Chris Martin was still playing for Coldplay?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2013, 08:18:26 AM

Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 11, 2013, 10:37:33 PM

I read somewhere PL was looking at going back to Norwich for his old left back Russell Martin.  He scores plenty of goals, so would be a reasonable investment & an improvement on the current stock.

Right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DerHammer on April 12, 2013, 08:57:07 AM

Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 11, 2013, 12:44:15 PM

I think we have had our transitional season...

any lambert buys now dont need to gel as a group.. they are improving on what we have so we dont need PL experience or a desire to pay over the top for players...

I think we can add to the existing team like we did last summer without the experience worry now... and i am proud of that fact!

Spot on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 12, 2013, 10:47:37 AM

Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 11, 2013, 10:37:33 PM

Will Grigg is only 6 months or so younger than Benteke, so not sure if he falls into the 'kid' bracket.  If Walsall go up (which'd be fantastic), I'd stay there another year & take my chance.

I read somewhere PL was looking at going back to Norwich for his old left back Russell Martin.  He scores plenty of goals, so would be a reasonable investment & an improvement on the current stock.

I thought he was right back  and plays center back  .  But still a good signing to have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on April 12, 2013, 03:23:24 PM

Read from somewhere, we are intetested in Flamini.

Probably recycled from years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on April 12, 2013, 03:27:26 PM

The Flamini link is on Skytext but it is on the 'newspaper stories' page. Apparently ourselves and Southampton are after him, but at 29 and available on a free I would be surprised if a few more aren't after him too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: berneboy on April 12, 2013, 03:36:35 PM

Quote from: manic-road on April 12, 2013, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

I thought Chris Martin was still playing for Coldplay?

Chris Martin is my son. He's a fine footballer - plays 5 a side every week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on April 12, 2013, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: berneboy on April 12, 2013, 03:36:35 PM

Quote from: manic-road on April 12, 2013, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

I thought Chris Martin was still playing for Coldplay?

Chris Martin is my son. He's a fine footballer - plays 5 a side every week.

Now I'm confused.  So which Chris Martin are we after?  The musician, the Derby county chap or berneboys lad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 12, 2013, 04:02:18 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on April 12, 2013, 03:38:33 PM

Quote from: berneboy on April 12, 2013, 03:36:35 PM

Quote from: manic-road on April 12, 2013, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2013, 02:15:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2013, 12:59:23 AM

He has fallen out with them and is out on loan at Derby isn't he?

I think he is as nailed on as you can get with Lambert, and lets face it, none of his signings so far have been at all predicted or predictable.

Got your Martins mixed up Ozz mate.  Chris Martin is on loan at Derby. 

I thought Chris Martin was still playing for Coldplay?

Chris Martin is my son. He's a fine footballer - plays 5 a side every week.

Now I'm confused.  So which Chris Martin are we after?  The musician, the Derby county chap or berneboys lad?

New Zealand bowler?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on April 12, 2013, 04:25:04 PM

Quote from: *shellac* on April 12, 2013, 03:23:24 PM

Read from somewhere, we are intetested in Flamini.

Probably recycled from years ago.

Yes, it's between us and Southampton.  Apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on April 14, 2013, 10:13:53 AM

So according to todays Sunday People Villa are set for a move for Troy Deeney at Watford and Norwich are targeting Brett Holman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 14, 2013, 11:30:20 AM

And Luke Murphy at Crewe is a target too.

Not seen Deeney play so no idea what he is like.

Going forward though we need a pacey wide man that will be able to cover/compete with Gabby and Weimann, that has a trick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on April 14, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

We were linked with Deeney a while back. Could be a rehash of old news. Don't know anything about him other than he has been released by both us and the Queen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BILL DE VALL on April 14, 2013, 01:06:01 PM

Troy Deeney was featured on Footy Focus -sounds like a Brummie -did 10 months for affray-is scoring goals for Watford (and isn't from Udinese)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on April 14, 2013, 03:00:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on April 14, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

We were linked with Deeney a while back. Could be a rehash of old news. Don't know anything about him other than he has been released by both us and the Queen.

Think it was his brother we released. He's a Blues fan from Chelmsley Wood

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on April 14, 2013, 05:12:57 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on April 14, 2013, 03:00:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on April 14, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

We were linked with Deeney a while back. Could be a rehash of old news. Don't know anything about him other than he has been released by both us and the Queen.

Think it was his brother we released. He's a Blues fan from Chelmsley Wood

we had them both for a short while as pre-contract teenagers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on April 14, 2013, 06:22:29 PM

I have seen Troy Deeney play, for Walsall and for Watford. He is a big lump centre forward ideal for the Football League at any level. But not the Prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2013, 07:11:34 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on April 14, 2013, 06:22:29 PM

I have seen Troy Deeney play, for Walsall and for Watford. He is a big lump centre forward ideal for the Football League at any level. But not the Prem.

A bit like say, Ricky Lambert or Grant Holt?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on April 14, 2013, 07:21:25 PM

A few of us on here have played against him when he was about 17 and playing for a team on Chemlsley, he was fast as fuck then but that was against a load of blokes who were just killing time before the pubs opened.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on April 14, 2013, 07:24:04 PM

You played at half 8 in the morning then ? ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mark H on April 19, 2013, 01:21:32 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 14, 2013, 07:11:34 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on April 14, 2013, 06:22:29 PM

I have seen Troy Deeney play, for Walsall and for Watford. He is a big lump centre forward ideal for the Football League at any level. But not the Prem.

A bit like say, Ricky Lambert or Grant Holt?


There is a lot of differece between Lambert and Holt IMHO , Holt is a big lump up front to hold the blal up , Lambert on the other hand has good vision and can actually pass as well as being a big 'un

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on April 19, 2013, 01:29:13 PM

I have no desire to punch Holt in the face as I do with Ricky Lambert, thats a big difference between them too.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2013, 01:30:28 PM

I cannot stand Holt, he is an arrogant, overrated lump.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 19, 2013, 03:09:14 PM

Holt is a much bigger cheat than Ricky Lambert.

I saw Ellis Deeney playing at left-back for Villa Youth, thought he looked our best player that day, but was released a few months later.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:18:37 PM

Perhaps we could send Al-Ahmadi and Vlaar back to Feyenood and swap them out for Jordy Clasie and or Lex Immers. I still remain to be convinced about Vlaar and believe that we should cut our losses. Although Feyenoord would be reluctant to sell Clasie, I do believe that dangling the carrot of a swift return of a club hero may sway them. Al Ahmadi too is also very highly thought of by Feyenoorders and would also prove a good carrot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 19, 2013, 03:20:30 PM

Quote from: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:18:37 PM

Perhaps we could send Al-Ahmadi and Vlaar back to Feyenood and swap them out for Jordy Clasie and or Lex Immers. I still remain to be convinced about Vlaar and believe that we should cut our losses. Although Feyenoord would be reluctant to sell Clasie, I do believe that dangling the carrot of a swift return of a club hero may sway them. Al Ahmadi too is also very highly thought of by Feyenoorders and would also prove a good carrot.

Or maybe we could offer both carrots for a swede?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 19, 2013, 03:29:35 PM

Quote from: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:18:37 PM

Perhaps we could send Al-Ahmadi and Vlaar back to Feyenood and swap them out for Jordy Clasie and or Lex Immers. I still remain to be convinced about Vlaar and believe that we should cut our losses. Although Feyenoord would be reluctant to sell Clasie, I do believe that dangling the carrot of a swift return of a club hero may sway them. Al Ahmadi too is also very highly thought of by Feyenoorders and would also prove a good carrot.

I think Vlaar has been the best of our CBs this season, although that's not saying much.

He should be fine alongside the experienced and physical CB we've needed all season, IF Lambert gets one this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:37:16 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 19, 2013, 03:29:35 PM

Quote from: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:18:37 PM

Perhaps we could send Al-Ahmadi and Vlaar back to Feyenood and swap them out for Jordy Clasie and or Lex Immers. I still remain to be convinced about Vlaar and believe that we should cut our losses. Although Feyenoord would be reluctant to sell Clasie, I do believe that dangling the carrot of a swift return of a club hero may sway them. Al Ahmadi too is also very highly thought of by Feyenoorders and would also prove a good carrot.

I think Vlaar has been the best of our CBs this season, although that's not saying much.

He should be fine alongside the experienced and physical CB we've needed all season, IF Lambert gets one this summer.

It’s the ‘’he’ll be fine if’’ that troubles me. Whilst there is no doubt that our centre-halves remains an issue, if we had the opportunity to cut our losses on two players whose former club would take them back at no loss to us AND get one of Dutch footballs brightest new prospects in return, is it not worth the gamble?

Clearly we’d then need to find at least one experience CB, but we would have possibly solved a key midfield issue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2013, 03:41:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on April 19, 2013, 01:29:13 PM

I have no desire to punch Holt in the face as I do with Ricky Lambert, thats a big difference between them too.

 

I don't like either of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on April 19, 2013, 03:48:21 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 19, 2013, 03:29:35 PM

Quote from: NeilH on April 19, 2013, 03:18:37 PM

Perhaps we could send Al-Ahmadi and Vlaar back to Feyenood and swap them out for Jordy Clasie and or Lex Immers. I still remain to be convinced about Vlaar and believe that we should cut our losses. Although Feyenoord would be reluctant to sell Clasie, I do believe that dangling the carrot of a swift return of a club hero may sway them. Al Ahmadi too is also very highly thought of by Feyenoorders and would also prove a good carrot.

I think Vlaar has been the best of our CBs this season, although that's not saying much.

He should be fine alongside the experienced and physical CB we've needed all season, IF Lambert gets one this summer.

WHEN Lambert gets one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 03:58:52 PM

Again, as I've posted elsewhere, the worry with letting people like Vlaar go for being ok but a bit inconsistent is that we'd be back at square one with another season to come of players getting used to each other and us finding out how to best use them.

This summer we need to identify 15-20 players in the squad who've done enough to keep hold of and then look to offload and/or upgrade the rest.  I think Vlaar definitely fits in that 15-20 so we hold onto him unless we get an offer too good to refuse.

I still think his biggest problem has been the fact that he's been one of the senior players in the squad in his first season after a big step up the leagues and at times that pressure has probably been too much.  If Dunne had been available for 15-20games I think Vlaar would've been much more solid and it would have helped clark and baker a lot as well and I'm sure Lambert has the same regrets.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on April 19, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 03:58:52 PM

Again, as I've posted elsewhere, the worry with letting people like Vlaar go for being ok but a bit inconsistent is that we'd be back at square one with another season to come of players getting used to each other and us finding out how to best use them.

This summer we need to identify 15-20 players in the squad who've done enough to keep hold of and then look to offload and/or upgrade the rest.  I think Vlaar definitely fits in that 15-20 so we hold onto him unless we get an offer too good to refuse.

I still think his biggest problem has been the fact that he's been one of the senior players in the squad in his first season after a big step up the leagues and at times that pressure has probably been too much.  If Dunne had been available for 15-20games I think Vlaar would've been much more solid and it would have helped clark and baker a lot as well and I'm sure Lambert has the same regrets.

I agree with that, as there are question marks over a lot of players already.
Lichaj, Dunne, Ireland, Albighton, Bent, Dawkins, Hutton.

Even if only those players left, that's still seven new players to try and find.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2013, 04:21:07 PM

Ultimately it comes down to how good their names sound. And as impressive a handle as "Ron Vlaar" is, Lex Immers is on another level. => Lex Luther it is. Fearless towards everything but kryptonite... and concrete.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 05:04:45 PM

Quote from: danno on April 19, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 03:58:52 PM

Again, as I've posted elsewhere, the worry with letting people like Vlaar go for being ok but a bit inconsistent is that we'd be back at square one with another season to come of players getting used to each other and us finding out how to best use them.

This summer we need to identify 15-20 players in the squad who've done enough to keep hold of and then look to offload and/or upgrade the rest.  I think Vlaar definitely fits in that 15-20 so we hold onto him unless we get an offer too good to refuse.

I still think his biggest problem has been the fact that he's been one of the senior players in the squad in his first season after a big step up the leagues and at times that pressure has probably been too much.  If Dunne had been available for 15-20games I think Vlaar would've been much more solid and it would have helped clark and baker a lot as well and I'm sure Lambert has the same regrets.

I agree with that, as there are question marks over a lot of players already.
Lichaj, Dunne, Ireland, Albighton, Bent, Dawkins, Hutton.

Even if only those players left, that's still seven new players to try and find.

You can add Given, Nzogbia, Holman, KEA and Bannan as well I reckon, there's a fair number of people who'd be happy to see all the players we've named leave.  I do worry that a lot of fans would be happy to see us keep about 10 players and completely rebuild the squad again, for me that route is madness, we've been an unstable mess of a club for 3 years, we need to address that this summer and get a bit of stability for everyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2013, 05:33:48 PM

Quote from: danno on April 19, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 03:58:52 PM

Again, as I've posted elsewhere, the worry with letting people like Vlaar go for being ok but a bit inconsistent is that we'd be back at square one with another season to come of players getting used to each other and us finding out how to best use them.

This summer we need to identify 15-20 players in the squad who've done enough to keep hold of and then look to offload and/or upgrade the rest.  I think Vlaar definitely fits in that 15-20 so we hold onto him unless we get an offer too good to refuse.

I still think his biggest problem has been the fact that he's been one of the senior players in the squad in his first season after a big step up the leagues and at times that pressure has probably been too much.  If Dunne had been available for 15-20games I think Vlaar would've been much more solid and it would have helped clark and baker a lot as well and I'm sure Lambert has the same regrets.

I agree with that, as there are question marks over a lot of players already.
Lichaj, Dunne, Ireland, Albighton, Bent, Dawkins, Hutton.

Even if only those players left, that's still seven new players to try and find.

How many of those have featured regularly anyway?  Out of that list, I would probably keep Albrighton and add Given.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on April 19, 2013, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 05:04:45 PM

Quote from: danno on April 19, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2013, 03:58:52 PM

Again, as I've posted elsewhere, the worry with letting people like Vlaar go for being ok but a bit inconsistent is that we'd be back at square one with another season to come of players getting used to each other and us finding out how to best use them.

This summer we need to identify 15-20 players in the squad who've done enough to keep hold of and then look to offload and/or upgrade the rest.  I think Vlaar definitely fits in that 15-20 so we hold onto him unless we get an offer too good to refuse.

I still think his biggest problem has been the fact that he's been one of the senior players in the squad in his first season after a big step up the leagues and at times that pressure has probably been too much.  If Dunne had been available for 15-20games I think Vlaar would've been much more solid and it would have helped clark and baker a lot as well and I'm sure Lambert has the same regrets.

I agree with that, as there are question marks over a lot of players already.
Lichaj, Dunne, Ireland, Albighton, Bent, Dawkins, Hutton.

Even if only those players left, that's still seven new players to try and find.

You can add Given, Nzogbia, Holman, KEA and Bannan as well I reckon, there's a fair number of people who'd be happy to see all the players we've named leave.  I do worry that a lot of fans would be happy to see us keep about 10 players and completely rebuild the squad again, for me that route is madness, we've been an unstable mess of a club for 3 years, we need to address that this summer and get a bit of stability for everyone.

Even if all twelve were up for sale, its unlikely we'd get suitable offers for all of them.
In all likelihood Dawkins and Dunne won't get new deals. Hutton is as good as gone, Ireland never arrived...
I could see four coming in and those four leaving.

The mass cull, I don't think it would be too risky if its players that aren't featuring getting the chop.
Although I doubt we could afford to overhaul the squad to that extreme (ten in ten out) anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2013, 05:57:01 PM

If Sunderland went down I'd be tempted by Craig on the cheap. He's not exactly Lionel but he's better than what we have and is capable of getting you 5-10 from midfield, something we're sorely lacking. I think slipping him in along with Westy and Delph in a 3 man would be pretty good. Gary would push for a place too next year I hope.
5 mill tops though. Any more than that and we take our chances on a foreign signing and hope for better. Craig has plenty of experience now though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2013, 06:06:48 PM

I don't think Craig Gardner is better than what we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 19, 2013, 06:48:36 PM

Gardner is dog shit on a stick.

We've got much better players and even those players are of questionable ability whether they'll make it here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on April 19, 2013, 10:57:16 PM

We have enough very average midfielders who struggle to get into the team. I would much prefer 1 truly quality midfielder who can be a lynchpin for years to come to go along the likes of Westwood, Delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 19, 2013, 11:00:17 PM

I like the look of that Fer guy Everton wanted but failed his medical. Using Demba Ba as an example, it might be worth having a look at the injury to  see to bad it was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2013, 03:14:58 AM

Fer or Ba wouldn't please the commercial dept when looking at money made from name-printing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2013, 09:35:40 AM

Quote from: eamonn on April 20, 2013, 03:14:58 AM

Fer or Ba wouldn't please the commercial dept when looking at money made from name-printing.

A key concern when we sign players! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 20, 2013, 09:49:59 AM

Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2013, 09:35:40 AM

Quote from: eamonn on April 20, 2013, 03:14:58 AM

Fer or Ba wouldn't please the commercial dept when looking at money made from name-printing.

A key concern when we sign players! ;)

Probably also why we've never sold Agbonglahor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 20, 2013, 09:59:38 AM

How the Commercial Dept must have wept when we missed out on Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on April 20, 2013, 10:06:22 AM

Looking forward to us signing Jakub Blaszczykowski then

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on April 21, 2013, 10:14:51 AM

I don't suppose there's any chance of signing Robert Lewandowski?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on April 21, 2013, 10:57:39 AM

The Mirror reckon Arsenal are after Matt Lowton:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-monitoring-aston-villa-youngster-1844711

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on April 21, 2013, 11:14:41 AM

Quote from: not3bad on April 21, 2013, 10:57:39 AM

The Mirror reckon Arsenal are after Matt Lowton:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-monitoring-aston-villa-youngster-1844711

The Mirror make it up as they go along. I would'nt worry too much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 21, 2013, 12:05:44 PM

Apparently reported in The Sun yesterday that we are interested in Russell Martin from Norwich.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 21, 2013, 12:08:21 PM

Can see that being an option if Lambert is allowed to sign players from Norwich now.

Martin is steady, can play both full back positions and also centre half. Reminds me a bit of Aaron Hughes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on April 21, 2013, 11:16:43 PM

Quote from: Clampy on April 21, 2013, 11:14:41 AM

Quote from: not3bad on April 21, 2013, 10:57:39 AM

The Mirror reckon Arsenal are after Matt Lowton:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-monitoring-aston-villa-youngster-1844711

The Mirror make it up as they go along. I would'nt worry too much.

They also reckon Newcastle are after Andi Weimann!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2013, 11:44:14 PM

It's small consolation if we're relegated but it's kinda nice to see clubs linked to our freebies and bargain buys rather than talking about amortisation and accounting principles.  whilst it's not fool proof - we still could get relegated - it shows the club has finally started moving in the right direction.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2013, 12:18:08 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 21, 2013, 12:08:21 PM

Can see that being an option if Lambert is allowed to sign players from Norwich now.

Martin is steady, can play both full back positions and also centre half. Reminds me a bit of Aaron Hughes.

What an endorsement! Aaron was/is solid though I guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on April 22, 2013, 12:31:22 AM

I didn't mind Aaron Hughes. Nothing spectacular but did the job. Still don't get why we sold him really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 22, 2013, 09:51:35 AM

Quote from: eamonn on April 22, 2013, 12:18:08 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 21, 2013, 12:08:21 PM

Can see that being an option if Lambert is allowed to sign players from Norwich now.

Martin is steady, can play both full back positions and also centre half. Reminds me a bit of Aaron Hughes.

What an endorsement! Aaron was/is solid though I guess.

I like the idea of a FB coming in that has some more experience and can cover both sides, so at 27 I guess Martin fits that bill, even though I don't know an awful lot about him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on April 22, 2013, 10:02:55 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 22, 2013, 12:31:22 AM

I didn't mind Aaron Hughes. Nothing spectacular but did the job. Still don't get why we sold him really.

Agreed with this. Was solid and dependable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 22, 2013, 11:48:55 AM

Quote from: Summers on April 22, 2013, 10:02:55 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 22, 2013, 12:31:22 AM

I didn't mind Aaron Hughes. Nothing spectacular but did the job. Still don't get why we sold him really.

Agreed with this. Was solid and dependable.

I thought he was pretty rubbish. That's mainly because we tended to play him out of position at right-back. Throughout his career he has been a decent centre-half though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2013, 01:18:09 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on April 22, 2013, 11:48:55 AM

Quote from: Summers on April 22, 2013, 10:02:55 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on April 22, 2013, 12:31:22 AM

I didn't mind Aaron Hughes. Nothing spectacular but did the job. Still don't get why we sold him really.

Agreed with this. Was solid and dependable.

I thought he was pretty rubbish. That's mainly because we tended to play him out of position at right-back. Throughout his career he has been a decent centre-half though.

Yep O Dreary played him at right back and Delaney at centre back at one stage. Tool!

O'Neill didn't fancy him at all

I remeber that game v England at Windsor Park he was superb - Owen and Rooney hardly got a kick

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2013, 11:17:21 PM

I liked Hughes. Had a very good cross on him and set up a few in 05/06. Was a decent enough defender for the mid table level we were then.

He was a regular first half of the next season under MON aswell until at 0-0 after an hour against Man. United at home he just decided to pass the ball straight to Ronaldo on the halfway line who went on and scored. Pretty much the deathknell to his villa career.

Went on to Fulham and formed a very good combo with Hangeland although he's now out of the team behind Senderos!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 23, 2013, 08:16:59 PM

He was a good signing at the time, but then dolly did buy quite well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 08:57:47 AM

Scott Sinclair will seek a loan move from Manchester City next season - if manager Roberto Mancini remains in charge.

But the winger is ready to stay and battle for his place should Mancini be sacked by the deposed Premier League champions.

Sinclair more than quadrupled his £10,000-a-week salary by switching from Swansea to Eastlands for £6.2million last August.

But the 24-year-old has started just TWO Premier League games for boss Mancini, and is yet to score a goal for his new club.

He now has West Brom, Aston Villa and Everyon vying for his signature.

After penning a lucrative four-year deal last summer, Sinclair is reluctant to leave the Blues permanently.

But the Mirror understands he is open to a loan move to get him some regular first-team games if Mancini continues to just use him as a substitute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2013, 08:59:16 AM

He's reluctant to leave due to his wages, he will never be at the level Citeh are trying to compete at.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 09:06:32 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2013, 08:59:16 AM

He's reluctant to leave due to his wages, he will never be at the level Citeh are trying to compete at.

Would be a good signing for us I think , we need someone like him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2013, 09:55:25 AM

Would be a good signing for us, but does he fit into Lamberts style? He's more a winger I'd have thought. I wouldn't want another N'Zogbia on our hands. He doesn't quite fit into the system and often seems a little shoehorned to the detriment of our balance.

I would hope that Lambert has identified that we should spread our play more and use the wide areas. We've had some joy from the flanks in the 2nd half of the season. A lot of our goals have come from wide areas. A decent winger in next season would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on April 25, 2013, 10:07:14 AM

a new manager might not fancy him of course. Lambert won't survive relegation should it happen imo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on April 25, 2013, 10:46:30 AM

I'd rather leave Sinclair where he is. We wouldn't be signing the player who was so good for Swansea, we'd be signing one that has failed at Man City.

Sheikh Mansour has enough money, he doesn't need us to bail him out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2013, 12:25:24 PM

According to Dave from Bath, Sinclair is in it for the money. Nowt wrong with that if he's any good but I'm not sure he's performed at a high level for more than one season yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2013, 12:58:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on April 25, 2013, 10:46:30 AM

I'd rather leave Sinclair where he is. We wouldn't be signing the player who was so good for Swansea, we'd be signing one that has failed at Man City.
Sheikh Mansour has enough money, he doesn't need us to bail him out.

wise words.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2013, 01:29:58 PM

I've never really been a great fan of Sinclair, even last year I thought he looked a decent wide player but nothing more, I don't really see how his form was good enough that a team who had just won the league thought they'd get anything from him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:10:04 PM

If we were gonna raid Man City, I'd much rather see if we could tempt Gareth Barry back here for a couple of years. Granted it'd be snowy in hell, but he's just the sort of influence we miss in midfield. Granted he's burned a few bridges with a lot of fans, but he's quality and we need more of that.

If he was happy on parity with what Benty gets for example, we may be able to tempt him. Surely Barry could live with 60k as opposed to 100 odd, whatever he's on. Especially at 32.

I do think we're crying out for some experienced quality at centre half and in the middle. A couple of such signings and PL's usual youngsters/unheard of foreign gems (hopefully) and that would do nicely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:10:04 PM

If we were gonna raid Man City, I'd much rather see if we could tempt Gareth Barry back here for a couple of years. Granted it'd be snowy in hell, but he's just the sort of influence we miss in midfield. Granted he's burned a few bridges with a lot of fans, but he's quality and we need more of that.

If he was happy on parity with what Benty gets for example, we may be able to tempt him. Surely Barry could live with 60k as opposed to 100 odd, whatever he's on. Especially at 32.

I do think we're crying out for some experienced quality at centre half and in the middle. A couple of such signings and PL's usual youngsters/unheard of foreign gems (hopefully) and that would do nicely.

Lescott, Barry and Sinclair and I reckon we would have a top 10 side at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:16:41 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:10:04 PM

If we were gonna raid Man City, I'd much rather see if we could tempt Gareth Barry back here for a couple of years. Granted it'd be snowy in hell, but he's just the sort of influence we miss in midfield. Granted he's burned a few bridges with a lot of fans, but he's quality and we need more of that.

If he was happy on parity with what Benty gets for example, we may be able to tempt him. Surely Barry could live with 60k as opposed to 100 odd, whatever he's on. Especially at 32.

I do think we're crying out for some experienced quality at centre half and in the middle. A couple of such signings and PL's usual youngsters/unheard of foreign gems (hopefully) and that would do nicely.

Lescott, Barry and Sinclair and I reckon we would have a top 10 side at least.

Yes we would. Sadly it'll just have to happen on Fifa! ;)

If we could get Lescott and Barry on more realistic wages they could be tempted. There would be plenty of takers. Keeping hold of Tekkers is essential. If he goes, any prospective players considering us will see no ambition whatsoever. We're building for something, that's clear, but we can't just keep flogging our decent players all the time.

We can dream any way mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2013, 02:19:58 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on April 25, 2013, 10:07:14 AM

a new manager might not fancy him of course. Lambert won't survive relegation should it happen imo

I think Lambert will still be our manager next year regardless of where we finish up...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:26:01 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:16:41 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:10:04 PM

If we were gonna raid Man City, I'd much rather see if we could tempt Gareth Barry back here for a couple of years. Granted it'd be snowy in hell, but he's just the sort of influence we miss in midfield. Granted he's burned a few bridges with a lot of fans, but he's quality and we need more of that.

If he was happy on parity with what Benty gets for example, we may be able to tempt him. Surely Barry could live with 60k as opposed to 100 odd, whatever he's on. Especially at 32.

I do think we're crying out for some experienced quality at centre half and in the middle. A couple of such signings and PL's usual youngsters/unheard of foreign gems (hopefully) and that would do nicely.

Lescott, Barry and Sinclair and I reckon we would have a top 10 side at least.

Yes we would. Sadly it'll just have to happen on Fifa! ;)

If we could get Lescott and Barry on more realistic wages they could be tempted. There would be plenty of takers. Keeping hold of Tekkers is essential. If he goes, any prospective players considering us will see no ambition whatsoever. We're building for something, that's clear, but we can't just keep flogging our decent players all the time.

We can dream any way mate.

Not so sure , I think with dunne and warnock, petrovs wages and hopefully Hutton too - the sale of bent would free up a fair amount in wages to try for barry and lescott who both may be surplus to city requirements and take Sinclair on a years loan - far from an easy task but it may be a possibility.

Quality and experience in the areas we need it and at not a huge transfer fee outlay ? The departures may well equate to the wages of those 3 ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:34:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:26:01 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:16:41 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2013, 02:10:04 PM

If we were gonna raid Man City, I'd much rather see if we could tempt Gareth Barry back here for a couple of years. Granted it'd be snowy in hell, but he's just the sort of influence we miss in midfield. Granted he's burned a few bridges with a lot of fans, but he's quality and we need more of that.

If he was happy on parity with what Benty gets for example, we may be able to tempt him. Surely Barry could live with 60k as opposed to 100 odd, whatever he's on. Especially at 32.

I do think we're crying out for some experienced quality at centre half and in the middle. A couple of such signings and PL's usual youngsters/unheard of foreign gems (hopefully) and that would do nicely.

Lescott, Barry and Sinclair and I reckon we would have a top 10 side at least.

Yes we would. Sadly it'll just have to happen on Fifa! ;)

If we could get Lescott and Barry on more realistic wages they could be tempted. There would be plenty of takers. Keeping hold of Tekkers is essential. If he goes, any prospective players considering us will see no ambition whatsoever. We're building for something, that's clear, but we can't just keep flogging our decent players all the time.

We can dream any way mate.

Not so sure , I think with dunne and warnock, petrovs wages and hopefully Hutton too - the sale of bent would free up a fair amount in wages to try for barry and lescott who both may be surplus to city requirements and take Sinclair on a years loan - far from an easy task but it may be a possibility.

Quality and experience in the areas we need it and at not a huge transfer fee outlet? The departures may well equate to the wages of those 3 ?

I think so. Financially we should be able to do that, whilst still lowering wages, IF we get rid of all our underperforming seniors. Ireland is the difficult one to shift. What he's earning could keep either Lescott and Barry happy. You'd think.
It then just depends on who else is in the market for these players.
I'd love Milner back, but that's probably too tall an order as he's still relatively young.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 02:37:55 PM

Me too, but I agree Milner is probably out of reach and would have a lot of offers , whereas Barry and lescott are just over 30 and more likely to be available .
They are unlikely to attract a top 4 club and may see a move to villa as an attraction- hopefully .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 25, 2013, 02:56:16 PM

Lescott would be my pick of the relatively realistic Man City signings.  If they want rid the fee should be manageable and they'd also give him a pay off as he'd need to manager on the £60k a week we pay Richard Dunne right now.

I can't see Sinclair happening as Lambert will look at him and think he can go into the Championship or abroad and get just as good a player for less money.  And he'd be right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 05:58:57 PM

Sam Byram at Leeds looks a good player .   Right back I know but can play right midfield and central midfield.     Not sure what he would cost .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 25, 2013, 06:12:27 PM

What about that Birdcunt (sic - RipVanBentFletch) at Brighton?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

I think we need to bring in 2 or 3 with experience next season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 06:19:59 PM

you think he will Eastie

he will probably say Lowton and westwood etc , have all the experience now after a relegation dog fight , if we survive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 06:22:05 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 06:19:59 PM

you think he will Eastie

he will probably say Lowton and westwood etc , have all the experience now after a relegation dog fight , if we survive.

Maybe but I think we need the right blend of youth and experience - hard to say really until we see what division we are in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

yes

wise words

we could get that Dortmund midfielder  ( arab looking one ) if we stay up . ;)       on the JD

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 25, 2013, 06:30:41 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

yes

wise words

we could get that Dortmund midfielder  ( arab looking one ) if we stay up . ;)       on the JD

Wouldnt mind their striker too ( polish looking one) if we stay up ;)          On the sparkling white

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2013, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 25, 2013, 02:56:16 PM

Lescott would be my pick of the relatively realistic Man City signings.  If they want rid the fee should be manageable and they'd also give him a pay off as he'd need to manager on the £60k a week we pay Richard Dunne right now.

I can't see Sinclair happening as Lambert will look at him and think he can go into the Championship or abroad and get just as good a player for less money.  And he'd be right.

I think more pertinently Lambert would look at Sinclair, see him swapping a promising career with Swansea for a few more bucks and splinters in his arse, and think that's not the kind of playe we're interested in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2013, 06:40:55 PM

One thing people are overlooking when they say we need is experience is that fact that everyone who has played this season will have a season's experience behind them now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on April 25, 2013, 06:41:32 PM

I think that we should stop mentioning any current Premier League players at all. Lambert simply does not buy them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lobsterboy on April 25, 2013, 06:43:41 PM

Based on our January transfer window signings I would be looking at Exeter City rather than Manchester City for potential new faces

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2013, 06:44:14 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on April 25, 2013, 06:41:32 PM

I think that we should stop mentioning any current Premier League players at all. Lambert simply does not buy them.

I don't think Sinclair fits into that category anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on April 25, 2013, 06:49:23 PM

If it means not buying Scott Sinclair i would rather not buy Premiership players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2013, 06:53:33 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2013, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 25, 2013, 02:56:16 PM

Lescott would be my pick of the relatively realistic Man City signings.  If they want rid the fee should be manageable and they'd also give him a pay off as he'd need to manager on the £60k a week we pay Richard Dunne right now.

I can't see Sinclair happening as Lambert will look at him and think he can go into the Championship or abroad and get just as good a player for less money.  And he'd be right.

I think more pertinently Lambert would look at Sinclair, see him swapping a promising career with Swansea for a few more bucks and splinters in his arse, and think that's not the kind of playe we're interested in.

James Nursey said today that we'd be interested in a loan move for Sinclair next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2013, 07:00:56 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on April 25, 2013, 06:49:23 PM

If it means not buying Scott Sinclair i would rather not buy Premiership players.

The similarities to the career of another player with the same initials that stung us a few years back should serve as sufficient warning to stay well away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2013, 07:34:00 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2013, 06:53:33 PM

Quote from: LeeB on April 25, 2013, 06:36:18 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on April 25, 2013, 02:56:16 PM

Lescott would be my pick of the relatively realistic Man City signings.  If they want rid the fee should be manageable and they'd also give him a pay off as he'd need to manager on the £60k a week we pay Richard Dunne right now.

I can't see Sinclair happening as Lambert will look at him and think he can go into the Championship or abroad and get just as good a player for less money.  And he'd be right.

I think more pertinently Lambert would look at Sinclair, see him swapping a promising career with Swansea for a few more bucks and splinters in his arse, and think that's not the kind of playe we're interested in.

James Nursey said today that we'd be interested in a loan move for Sinclair next season.

Well I may be wrong then, but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2013, 10:33:27 PM

It's a good point about Sinclair - Lambert wants hungry players (no Suarez jokes!) and swapping regular football in a good team for a place on the bench and double his salary sends out all the wrong signals. Add in that his girlfriend is in Manchester and that Lambert hasn't shown much interest in wide players and I don't think we'll be in for him. I've read some good things about our domestic scouting and I would hope that our global scouting is improving fast.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 06:30:41 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

yes

wise words

we could get that Dortmund midfielder  ( arab looking one ) if we stay up . ;)       on the JD

Wouldnt mind their striker too ( polish looking one) if we stay up ;)          On the sparkling white

didnt Blackburn nearly get him :/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2013, 02:41:07 AM

Quote from: paul_e on April 25, 2013, 07:00:56 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on April 25, 2013, 06:49:23 PM

If it means not buying Scott Sinclair i would rather not buy Premiership players.

The similarities to the career of another player with the same initials that stung us a few years back should serve as sufficient warning to stay well away.

Steve Stone? Seagal? Sessesgnon?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 26, 2013, 07:16:40 AM

I think the Ginga ninja is the one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2013, 08:52:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on April 26, 2013, 07:16:40 AM

I think the Ginga ninja is the one.

Yup.

Started at a top 4 club, never looked like making it.
Released as a 22-23 year old with very little first team experience and went to the championship.
Looked good at that level in a team playing well and getting promoted.
Team and player have a good 6months on the back on their momentum from the last year.
Player somehow gets a contract at another top 4 side.
Sits on bench for a season.

Then for Sidwell it carried on as:

Looks very average for a few years before leaving for a fraction of his fee.
Looks better at his next club where the expectations have gone again.

Similar can be said for Charlie Adam who was good for Blackpool, rubbish at Liverpool and has been pretty poor at Stoke in general as well.

I really don't like the idea of signing these 1 season wonders, particularly not if that 1 season isn't the 1 just ending.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2013, 06:28:36 PM

Quote from: OCD on April 25, 2013, 10:33:27 PM

It's a good point about Sinclair - Lambert wants hungry players (no Suarez jokes!) and swapping regular football in a good team for a place on the bench and double his salary sends out all the wrong signals. Add in that his girlfriend is in Manchester and that Lambert hasn't shown much interest in wide players and I don't think we'll be in for him. I've read some good things about our domestic scouting and I would hope that our global scouting is improving fast.

I still think we need a wide option though if we are going to continue with the 4-3-3 formation and still think Redmond from the Blues wouldn't be a bad buy.  In regards to Sinclair, the last thing we need is another highly paid player coming in who thinks he is too good for us doesn't really want to be at Villa Park.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 26, 2013, 06:31:15 PM

If we are going to win the League next year we must have a wide option in order to counter teams parking the bus! 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 26, 2013, 06:39:27 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 25, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

I think we need to bring in 2 or 3 with experience next season .

No we don't need to. ???

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2013, 08:25:53 PM

TSM's chief scout was in the paper today saying we were about to sign Michu, Hadiara and Douglas before they were sacked last summer.

Mind you he was also on about SHA nearly buying Lewendoswki so perhaps not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2013, 10:51:36 PM

Wasn't Houllier supposedly after Hadiara? Whilst Michu would have been a top signing, I bet they weren't looking at Benteke and I know which of the 2 was more important for us. As for Douglas, we had no chance. He wanted to stay in Holland another year at least so that he could get Dutch citizenship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on April 26, 2013, 11:12:16 PM

To be fair I don't think we can worry about all of this until we know what division we'll be playing in next season. Whichever it is I hope Lambert is the manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2013, 07:47:52 AM

A lot of people worked out Benteke about 3-4 days before from the murmurings. And Vlaar was pictured on another site at VP. So some things do happen, but I get the impression that deals these days are a bit like sperm trying to break into the egg, we send out a load of seed, and see which one breaks through. Westwood was not even on the table until late the day before the deadline according to the Crewe manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on April 27, 2013, 09:57:51 AM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

understand your point and maybe thus thread is used for newspapers too for making transfer gossip !
I think have to take it as it is and speculation and opinions always abound so lets embrace it and discuss.
I would like to see a flying versatile full back/central defender- vertognhen type. I see need for a couple of pacey wingers. A necessity of 2 midfielders, box to box and creative. And finally a goal getting striker too replace the departing Bent. Now we're talking do folk have ideas/rumours/anything on players in these positions who would be part of the rise of villa!   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on April 27, 2013, 10:05:25 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on April 27, 2013, 09:57:51 AM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

understand your point and maybe thus thread is used for newspapers too for making transfer gossip !
I think have to take it as it is and speculation and opinions always abound so lets embrace it and discuss.
I would like to see a flying versatile full back/central defender- vertognhen type. I see need for a couple of pacey wingers. A necessity of 2 midfielders, box to box and creative. And finally a goal getting striker too replace the departing Bent. Now we're talking do folk have ideas/rumours/anything on players in these positions who would be part of the rise of villa!

So Bent is leaving then ? Gossip ? Speculation ? Or just a wild stab in the dark ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2013, 06:49:03 PM

I think there's a good chance we'll be in for the other lad from Crewe, whichever division we're in. Plus we,ll have Gardner back.  Bt I'd still want a more physically dominating central midfielder in there. And we obviously need a centre back.

Wouldn't be surprised to see something like:

In: first choice centre back, first choice option for defensive midfielder, number 10 or wide option, back up big centre fwd - a youngster for when benteke goes.

Out: lichaj, herd, Dunne, bannan, Ireland, fonz

Nd try and hold on to benteke and weimann

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

The thread itself is full of speculation , rumours and suggestions and serves its purpose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:10:02 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

Exactly - because we have threads like this one to keep you in check ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2013, 08:11:34 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

The thread itself is full of speculation , rumours and suggestions and serves its purpose.

I feel old.. 8 years!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:11:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:10:02 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM

This thread as usual is complete waste of breath. I can not remember anything predicted or ITK coming to be in the past 1/2 dozen transfer windows.

That's not really the point of it.

It's so that when newspaper links crop up then we don't have different threads for each pointless rumour that eastie has found in The Mirror.

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

Exactly - because we have threads like this one to keep you in check ;)

I must say having browsed the sunderland, newcastle and wolves forums tonight that this is an extremely well run and organised site ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 27, 2013, 08:12:51 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

I am surprised specially with your nose for smart ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:15:25 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on April 27, 2013, 08:12:51 PM

Quote from: eastie on April 27, 2013, 08:08:51 PM

Dont let the fact that in 8 years on the site eastie has never ever started a thread about a transfer rumour get in the way will you dave !

I am surprised specially with your nose for smart ITK.

If as you say you think this thread is a waste of breath i find it strange you spend your time on it ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on April 27, 2013, 08:16:53 PM

I am wasting time!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on April 27, 2013, 09:04:03 PM

Oh no your not!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2013, 09:10:37 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on April 27, 2013, 06:49:03 PM

I think there's a good chance we'll be in for the other lad from Crewe, whichever division we're in. Plus we,ll have Gardner back.  Bt I'd still want a more physically dominating central midfielder in there. And we obviously need a centre back.

Wouldn't be surprised to see something like:

In: first choice centre back, first choice option for defensive midfielder, number 10 or wide option, back up big centre fwd - a youngster for when benteke goes.

Out: lichaj, herd, Dunne, bannan, Ireland, fonz

Nd try and hold on to benteke and weimann

Yes his name is Luke Murphy. Watched him today and he's certainly of a more physical build than any of our lower league signings so don't think he'd look lightweight in the prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on April 30, 2013, 02:09:26 PM

There is paper talk that Man City are having a clear out this summer. That in itself is unsurprising because they epitomise everything vile about modern football and will be looking for a quick fix rather than laying solid foundations. However, if Milner is on that list I'd take him back in a shot. I think he'd fit in perfectly with Lambert's style of physical, attacking play. And I reckon £10m should be enough to get him.

Add a similar value centre back and a handful of lower league gems and we'd be well set for a big improvement next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on April 30, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: LeeS on April 30, 2013, 02:09:26 PM

There is paper talk that Man City are having a clear out this summer. That in itself is unsurprising because they epitomise everything vile about modern football and will be looking for a quick fix rather than laying solid foundations. However, if Milner is on that list I'd take him back in a shot. I think he'd fit in perfectly with Lambert's style of physical, attacking play. And I reckon £10m should be enough to get him.

Add a similar value centre back and a handful of lower league gems and we'd be well set for a big improvement next year.

Yes, they made a big mistake in realising that you have to clear out a good number of your mercenaries every season whilst keeping the few who demonstrate any real commitment towards playing for you. Chavski had this down to a fine art in their most successful years. Not that I include Milner in that bracket. I'd also have Barry back as a holding midfielder for a year or two and suspect he would be very conducive to a move back to us

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on April 30, 2013, 02:16:00 PM

Lescott would be the ideal signing from Man City. Not completely implausible either. He has clearly fallen down the pecking order, has said he needs regular football to keep his England place and of course is/was a Villa fan. He would have to be willing to take a big cut in wages, but I guess he will be resigned to that if he is thinking of leaving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2013, 02:22:00 PM

Anyone leaving Man City on the club's request will be walking away with a big pay off, thereby negating their drop in wages.  I think Lescott would be a great signing.  Ambitious, but not totally un-realistic. 

Milner I think will stay as Macini seems to like his versatility. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2013, 03:15:50 PM

I'm not sure Mancini will be there to make a decision.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

I'm not sure Joleon gives a stuff about us anymore for the way we disposed of his big bro Aaron back when Big Brother was just that and for the way our fans laugh and mock his forehead. Wasn't there summat about his kneecaps and Percy's gangster mates too?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on April 30, 2013, 05:50:38 PM

I think we'd all welcome Lescott and Milner (not gonna happen) or Barry, but if I had to pick one I would want a centre back signed up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 30, 2013, 10:09:17 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 30, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

I'm not sure Joleon gives a stuff about us anymore for the way we disposed of his big bro Aaron back when Big Brother was just that and for the way our fans laugh and mock his forehead. Wasn't there summat about his kneecaps and Percy's gangster mates too?

Yes yes but that's more Yam Yam way.

Lescott would be a great signing but I feel he'll go back to Everton if Moyes stays.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2013, 10:11:55 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on April 30, 2013, 03:15:50 PM

I'm not sure Mancini will be there to make a decision.

I'd be amazed if he was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 10:55:04 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 30, 2013, 10:09:17 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 30, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

I'm not sure Joleon gives a stuff about us anymore for the way we disposed of his big bro Aaron back when Big Brother was just that and for the way our fans laugh and mock his forehead. Wasn't there summat about his kneecaps and Percy's gangster mates too?

Yes yes but that's more Yam Yam way.

Lescott would be a great signing but I feel he'll go back to Everton if Moyes stays.

Is there not still some bad blood there from when he left?  Plus more chance of playing with us, which will be his priority in a World Cup year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 10:55:04 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 30, 2013, 10:09:17 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 30, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

I'm not sure Joleon gives a stuff about us anymore for the way we disposed of his big bro Aaron back when Big Brother was just that and for the way our fans laugh and mock his forehead. Wasn't there summat about his kneecaps and Percy's gangster mates too?

Yes yes but that's more Yam Yam way.

Lescott would be a great signing but I feel he'll go back to Everton if Moyes stays.

Is there not still some bad blood there from when he left?  Plus more chance of playing with us, which will be his priority in a World Cup year.

I think moyes will be gone next month - lescott would be a great signing and i hope we are in the race for him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 01, 2013, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: LeeS on April 30, 2013, 02:09:26 PM

There is paper talk that Man City are having a clear out this summer. That in itself is unsurprising because they epitomise everything vile about modern football and will be looking for a quick fix rather than laying solid foundations. However, if Milner is on that list I'd take him back in a shot. I think he'd fit in perfectly with Lambert's style of physical, attacking play. And I reckon £10m should be enough to get him.

Add a similar value centre back and a handful of lower league gems and we'd be well set for a big improvement next year.

If they're having a clear out I'd take Lescott off their hands. The defence is the most important area to strengthen. He'd be a great asset.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 11:05:54 AM

Lescott would be an appropriate replacement for Dunne, though hopefully a lighter one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 11:07:20 AM

Top targets for me would be lescott and Barry - with just those signings alone i think we would become a top 10 team - i expect there will be a few fringe players going out of the door as well but the nucleas of a good side is there - spend wisely this summer and we could have a much better season next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 01, 2013, 11:33:58 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 11:07:20 AM

Top targets for me would be lescott and Barry - with just those signings alone i think we would become a top 10 team - i expect there will be a few fringe players going out of the door as well but the nucleas of a good side is there - spend wisely this summer and we could have a much better season next year.

don't think we will be signing any players who's best days are considered behind them,

we haven't come this far and took the high risk policy to just go back to what everyone else does straight away
like you I would love Barry back at Villa, but he doesn't fit the Lambert long term plan in my view, and I would be expecting another player from the likes of Genk, Crewe, Shef utd before we get one from Man City.

I think this is something we have all got to get used to, this is the way we are going, if it didn't happen last January its not going to happen close season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 01, 2013, 11:36:25 AM

Correct. Our next three signings will likely be three players we currently haven't heard of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2013, 11:40:10 AM

I've never heard of Messi.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 11:40:23 AM

I think it just needs to be mixed up a little.  Lescott and then 4 we haven't heard of, for example.

Lambert made some noises about him at the start of the Jan window, so it's one I'd class as possible. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 11:49:21 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 11:40:23 AM

I think it just needs to be mixed up a little.  Lescott and then 4 we haven't heard of, for example.

Lambert made some noises about him at the start of the Jan window, so it's one I'd class as possible. 

Also rued the loss of dunnes experience through injury- his squad at Norwich contained very few younger lads so i don't think he has a problem bringing in experience if needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on May 01, 2013, 12:05:59 PM

Whilst I would not advocate getting Barry back, I do believe that Lambert is looking for some experience in the squad to match the raw talent we have. I’m sure Milner would leap at the opportunity to return to us and he would give us more width in the team and be able to swing the ball in for the big man.
Having said all that, if we think that either Barry, Milner of Lescott would be willing to take the kind of pay cut we’d expect from them to play for us once more, than we are deluding ourselves. I’m sure the likes of Sunderland, Liverpoo or the Spuds would be more than happy to meet these players wages, if Mercenarychester decide to offload them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 12:08:48 PM

Quote from: NeilH on May 01, 2013, 12:05:59 PM

Whilst I would not advocate getting Barry back, I do believe that Lambert is looking for some experience in the squad to match the raw talent we have. I’m sure Milner would leap at the opportunity to return to us and he would give us more width in the team and be able to swing the ball in for the big man.
Having said all that, if we think that either Barry, Milner of Lescott would be willing to take the kind of pay cut we’d expect from them to play for us once more, than we are deluding ourselves. I’m sure the likes of Sunderland, Liverpoo or the Spuds would be more than happy to meet these players wages, if Mercenarychester decide to offload them.

Barry or lescott maybe would come but I can't see man city parting with Milner and if they did he would command a big fee and attract many other clubs- I'd love Milner in outer team but no chance of it in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on May 01, 2013, 12:14:45 PM

I am struggling to see what Barry would add to the team. I loved Barry as a player at Villa, but would we really want him now, especially when we have similar players to him showing great promise.
Lescott would certainly shore up our defence, but surely if we were made available there would be a queue of clubs looking to get him who could offer far better salaries and Europa League football. We do need a good partner to Vlaar (if he stays and I’ve have said before that I’m not that fussed either way, if we could plunder Feyenoord for some of their great young talent) but I suspect Lambert will be casting his eye elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 12:18:06 PM

Regarding barry he brings calmness , leadership and experience as well as being able to cover several positions .
I would certainly have him back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 12:18:53 PM

If Milner comes back, he'd play centrally.  Barry us too similar to Westwood I think.  Lescott is just what the doctor ordered.

If any of them was to happen, then wages wise I think it'd be about £60k a week with them then getting a pay off from City as they want them out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:23:06 PM

Quote from: NeilH on May 01, 2013, 12:14:45 PM

I am struggling to see what Barry would add to the team. I loved Barry as a player at Villa, but would we really want him now, especially when we have similar players to him showing great promise.
Lescott would certainly shore up our defence, but surely if we were made available there would be a queue of clubs looking to get him who could offer far better salaries and Europa League football. We do need a good partner to Vlaar (if he stays and I’ve have said before that I’m not that fussed either way, if we could plunder Feyenoord for some of their great young talent) but I suspect Lambert will be casting his eye elsewhere.

I think Barry would probably start for about a season, but then lose his place. Westwood and Delph are pretty consistent for the last 3 months now, and Sylla has promise. Gardner does too. Add in another defensive midfield player and a wide option and I think Barry would not be in that. KEA may well step up next season too. If we get Luke Murphy as has been linked, then I really cannot see any more midfielders coming in, or there being a need.

Lescott is a good signing if we can get him, and we would have a real threat at corners with him and Big Ben.

I think we might see 1-2 players over 26/27, but not many this summer.

Most important for me are an experienced centre half, a wide forward who can jink and find the key to a defence and a utility full back better than we have that can challenge Bennett and Lowton, maybe Naughton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 12:25:36 PM

What is luke murphy like? We were linked to bridcutt at brighton too - he may be an option but i do foresee Gary Gardner becoming a big player for us next season as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 01, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

as much as i would love some of these players coming back or to the Villa, they are tired old names trotted out every transfer window,
we just aren't there any more, like my ex wife once said to me, we have 'moved on'

just look at the last window, when fellow strugglers were signing Sisoko and Samba we were bringing in  an absolute unknown from France who even most of them hadn't heard of,
 no one could understand it, meltdown on the transfer thread, until maybe Monday night when Syla the unknown played a major part in our relegation battle, and we now all think he might well turn out to be a good player for us

I just think this is now Lambert and his backroom staffs mindset, I think he loves the fact we are the youngest team in the prem, he loves the togetherness of the squad, he loves the fact they will give their all on the pitch, and the big earners are all lined up on the side lines for now, ready to be shunted away

that's why I don't think we will be going down well trodden paths for a while, its a brand new policy and its different from anything that has gone before, that's my take on it anyway,
 obviously if we sign a couple of 30+ year olds I will have read it wrong but I think it will be more of the same from Lambert, and it gets my vote

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on May 01, 2013, 12:51:24 PM

It just goes to show that we are 1 or 2 players away from being a really good team. If Lambert can  sort out our CB position and improve the service into the box, then I’ll be very excited about next season.
Whisper it quietly, but there is an air of Ron’s dream team of the mid 90’s about us. We just need to plug our obvious weak spots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:58:17 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

as much as i would love some of these players coming back or to the Villa, they are tired old names trotted out every transfer window,
we just aren't there any more, like my ex wife once said to me, we have 'moved on'

just look at the last window, when fellow strugglers were signing Sisoko and Samba we were bringing in  an absolute unknown from France who even most of them hadn't heard of,
 no one could understand it, meltdown on the transfer thread, until maybe Monday night when Syla the unknown played a major part in our relegation battle, and we now all think he might well turn out to be a good player for us

I just think this is now Lambert and his backroom staffs mindset, I think he loves the fact we are the youngest team in the prem, he loves the togetherness of the squad, he loves the fact they will give their all on the pitch, and the big earners are all lined up on the side lines for now, ready to be shunted away

that's why I don't think we will be going down well trodden paths for a while, its a brand new policy and its different from anything that has gone before, that's my take on it anyway,
 obviously if we sign a couple of 30+ year olds I will have read it wrong but I think it will be more of the same from Lambert, and it gets my vote

You are spot on John re Sylla. On the face of it, 2m on a 22 year old destroyer who has looked like he is taking a bit of time to settle and has plenty of potential, but as I have now said a few times, it has shocked me that in his 8 apps, we have won 5, drawn 2 and only lost to Liverpool. That is a pretty damned good return on spending 2m on an unknown from the French 2nd division. We have indeed, moved on.

Still like Lescott though in our back 4. More likely to end up with Chester if Hull mess things up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on May 01, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

Collymore is the obvious one, but who was the second again? Memory's not what it was.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 01, 2013, 01:02:09 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on May 01, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

Collymore is the obvious one, but who was the second again? Memory's not what it was.....

I'm gonna guess at Curcic, who was insane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 01:03:58 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 01, 2013, 01:02:09 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on May 01, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

Collymore is the obvious one, but who was the second again? Memory's not what it was.....

I'm gonna guess at Curcic, who was insane.

It was indeed, or at least in my fuzzy memory.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 01:33:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:58:17 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

as much as i would love some of these players coming back or to the Villa, they are tired old names trotted out every transfer window,
we just aren't there any more, like my ex wife once said to me, we have 'moved on'

just look at the last window, when fellow strugglers were signing Sisoko and Samba we were bringing in  an absolute unknown from France who even most of them hadn't heard of,
 no one could understand it, meltdown on the transfer thread, until maybe Monday night when Syla the unknown played a major part in our relegation battle, and we now all think he might well turn out to be a good player for us

I just think this is now Lambert and his backroom staffs mindset, I think he loves the fact we are the youngest team in the prem, he loves the togetherness of the squad, he loves the fact they will give their all on the pitch, and the big earners are all lined up on the side lines for now, ready to be shunted away

that's why I don't think we will be going down well trodden paths for a while, its a brand new policy and its different from anything that has gone before, that's my take on it anyway,
 obviously if we sign a couple of 30+ year olds I will have read it wrong but I think it will be more of the same from Lambert, and it gets my vote

You are spot on John re Sylla. On the face of it, 2m on a 22 year old destroyer who has looked like he is taking a bit of time to settle and has plenty of potential, but as I have now said a few times, it has shocked me that in his 8 apps, we have won 5, drawn 2 and only lost to Liverpool. That is a pretty damned good return on spending 2m on an unknown from the French 2nd division. We have indeed, moved on.

Still like Lescott though in our back 4. More likely to end up with Chester if Hull mess things up.

It'll also be interesting to find out how much of the 2012 deals were down to the necessity of needing so many players with relatively little money, whilst also still addressing the wage bill issue.  Lambert wasn't really in a position to get an established PL player for circa £10m and £60k a week, but he might be this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Reuben on May 01, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

People talking about better players leaving (e.g Benteke to Liverpool) but the Europa league sides are going to be Swansea, Wigan and 5th place aren't they?  Does the 6th place team get through this year as well?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on May 01, 2013, 01:40:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 01:03:58 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 01, 2013, 01:02:09 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on May 01, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

Collymore is the obvious one, but who was the second again? Memory's not what it was.....

I'm gonna guess at Curcic, who was insane.

It was indeed, or at least in my fuzzy memory.

Ah yes, that guy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: Reuben on May 01, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

People talking about better players leaving (e.g Benteke to Liverpool) but the Europa league sides are going to be Swansea, Wigan and 5th place aren't they?  Does the 6th place team get through this year as well?

Only 5th place in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 01:51:09 PM

5th is likely to be one of Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs.  For a variety of reasons, I will find humour in any one of those three not making the CL places.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 01, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Im a bit disappointed that Everscum wont be one.  Not because i like them, but the reasons are twofold, another of the Cockerny trio wont make Europe (Plus at least they have tried to build their squad the right way), and itll screw a small squad like Everton up next year to be playing an extra 86 or however many games.  This year Chelski will have played the equivalent of an extra league campaign thanks to their Euro commitments.  Ok when you can rotate like they can, but for a smaller squad, it will be tough, see Everscum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:10:52 PM

The whole Europa league needs a total revamp- its ridiculous to maybe play 19 games to win a cup competition and this idea of 3rd place champions league teams joining it at a later stage is nonsense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 01, 2013, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Definitely keep as far as I'm concerned.  He offers something different when we need to be on the offense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 01, 2013, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 01, 2013, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Definitely keep as far as I'm concerned.  He offers something different when we need to be on the offense.

If someone makes a good offer (or he engineers a move) then sell, otherwise keep as he does offer something different.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 02:49:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:29:26 PM

Murphy, according to their manager at least, is a better player than Westwood and scores some goals.

Not a lot by his stats, but a few. 8-9 a season. Which would be lovely to add to our game. I think I have more trust in Lambert buying a player than I have had in any Villa manager possibly since Little, who got 2 wrong, that we all, to a man pretty much wanted at the time.

long winded post alert....

Collymore and Curcic were/are mentally unstable. I think its best if we stay well away from throwing big money at players with dubious injury problems, physical or mental. On loan or short term contract fine. Also see Stephen Ireland for another example that has stung us badly.

A look at wikipedia indicates Carl Tiler and Fernando Nelson would probably rank as unsuccessful signing under Little but nothing too major. Still think Little would be ideal for Lambert as an assistant manager. Was obvious during the Newcastle home game recently that Little still has a huge passion for Villa and he was pointing out some very obvious tactical flaws with how Lambert had set us up in the first half of that game. Rather than Culverhouse rowing with fans behind the home dugout, Lambert would benefit hugely from Little next to him I reckon. Alas its unlikely to happen.

On a limited budget even hated former managers like DOL and McLeish did relatively well with signings not that we care to remember. For some reason Houllier's reign is seen in a more positive light despite a complete Balaban esque flop in Makoun and a short term fix on the Bent splurge. There was little opposition when Nzogbia was signed by McLeish for half the cost Downing was sold for. Even Alan Hutton was a cheaper replacement for Luke Young and had done relatively well on a loan spell at Sunderland not too long before. Luke Young didnt exactly prove us wrong at QPR unfortunately Hutton was an unmitigated disaster. Sometimes thats just the way it goes.

In terms of signings that supporters were against from the start,  many of MON's ones stand out. Was there a single Villa fan that thought Heskey or Harewood were good signings? Or the unnecessary signings of Habib Beye and Cuellar. There cant have been many supporters that thought Davies was twice the player Cahill was and twice the money. Warnock and Shorey had been destroyed against Villa at their previous clubs, I was against both of those lazy signings. Others like Reo Coker, Young, Downing, Milner, Petrov were overpriced but largely welcomed. Sidwell was seen as a good signing that unfortunately had little impact. To be fair to MON there was little opposition to some of his sales like Ridgewell, Whittingham, Gardner, Moore and Davis who with the exception of Moore (to some extent) went to have good careers elsewhere but the sales were right at the time.

Lambert has bought himself with goodwill with a huge success with Benteke. Bringing back Guzan has worked out brilliantly. Westwood, obviously a player he was keen on has been a good addition with scope to improve further. Lowton and Bennett have shown positives but for long parts of the season both their limitations have been painfully evident. Think lads are going well overboard on Lowton after his excellent showing against Sunderland. He has a lot of improving to do as a defender. El Ahmadi has been a big disappointment in his first year, Vlaar less so but not great either.

To improve our side for next season we need to bring in better players that can fit into our system. An experienced centre midfielder capable of breaking forward to score is a must for me. Westwood and Delph cant do it. Gardner has never done it at senior level and has had serious injuries. Even if El Ahmadi settles he isnt that type of player. Gareth Barry performed that role brilliantly towards the end of his time at Villa. For me he is gettable and the type of character that will benefit the squad hugely. Even now playing deep in midfield, he is still one of Man City's better players. He is still more than capable of filling in for Delph or Westwood playing deep. Milner too would be a great fit but his contract isnt running out and I think City will try and keep him on. for his versatility. Sad as he would improve as a player with us but being a bit part player at club and international level seems to suit him.

Lescott is gettable for definite and we have probably already made our interest clear I suspect. Neither Clark or Baker are up to it and at this stage dont look like they will ever be. Lescott also provides cover at left back but more importantly is quick, can bring the ball out of the back, is good in the air in both penalty boxes. A Birmingham lad coming 'home' the season before a World Cup, a lot of boxes seem to be ticked. Cant see what likely english clubs for him will be more attractive. His age for a centre half aint a big problem. Dunne for all his faults was our best centre half when he was fit in his time at the club. He fucked away a lot of his career by not looking after himself off the pitch. Lescott is capable of playing on into his 30s and is worth throwing investing a bit more wages wise I think. Whether he is the leader we need at the back would be my only question mark. Vlaar certainly isnt. The likes of Vidic and even Nastasic prove that there are vastly superior defenders available at the right price in Europe. But Lescott just seems right for us next season.

Provided we do the business against Norwich next weekend and stay up, I think Villa will be an attractive place for players in the summer. We are playing some good football, a lot of young players, highly thought of manager, well received generally in the media etc. Coming up to a World Cup, players are looking for a place to shine. For me, I think unfortunately we need to start preparing for Benteke's departure maybe the summer after the WC. Jay Rodrigues seems on a huge upward curve and would be a great fit in our tactical set up. Always the chance of second season syndrome for Benteke and Weimann. Gabby is more than capable of being the shite Gabby for a decent stretch. Nzogbia is probably someone we will cash in on. We need to strengthen up front too in the summer. Austin, Grigg or someone of that ilk is more likely though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 02:49:44 PM

Others like Reo Coker, Young, Downing, Milner, Petrov were overpriced but largely welcomed.

Sorry to pick you up on just one point in your post, which I largely agreed with,  but how can they be overpriced when we made so much money on them?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 01, 2013, 03:10:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Sell. If we are buying more genuine midfielders this summer and giving game time to ex academy hopefuls - both of which ought to happen - then we should cash in before his value falls even further.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 03:15:14 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 01, 2013, 02:43:16 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 01, 2013, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Definitely keep as far as I'm concerned.  He offers something different when we need to be on the offense.

If someone makes a good offer (or he engineers a move) then sell, otherwise keep as he does offer something different.

Pretty much my take on it as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 03:24:09 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 01, 2013, 03:10:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 01, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

Do people feel nzogbia is worth another go next season or should be prepared to sell at a loss?

Sell. If we are buying more genuine midfielders this summer and giving game time to ex academy hopefuls - both of which ought to happen - then we should cash in before his value falls even further.

I'd probably agree with that although I'm not sure who would take him or what price we would get - certainly a lot less than we paid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 03:27:20 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 02:49:44 PM

Others like Reo Coker, Young, Downing, Milner, Petrov were overpriced but largely welcomed.

Sorry to pick you up on just one point in your post, which I largely agreed with,  but how can they be overpriced when we made so much money on them?

We left Reo Coker go on a free but spending 8.5m on him was fairly daft. As a player I thought he was a decent signing at the time and I liked him at Villa generally. But I'm sure there are plenty of better midfielders in the league that went for less back then. Struggling to think of examples mind, Tim Cahill though is one.

Downing at 10m after a dreadful season with Boro and injured. Adam Johnson at the same club at the time would have been a better player to bring in I reckon. Milner at 12m from Newcastle, Keegan couldnt turn down that for him. Both were no more than solid premier league players when they joined. Only when Milner was moved into the centre at Villa midway through his final season did he perform any more than acceptable. Downing in a shite team under Houllier starred but his first season was crap. Think we benefitted more from the end of the bubble era in the league with their sales. Mancini or Man City won't spend that kind of money on a player as limited as Milner ever again. 24m it still beggars belief. King Kenny did us a big favour with Downing. 20m again was just crazy.
Young was MON's big success story. A gamble on the big money paid but worked out extremely well. A far better player for the club over a longer period of time than the other two. This is despite the return on Downing and Milner being far superior.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2013, 03:29:05 PM

I think Downing was a better option than Johnson who goes through little patches of looking good, but is largely average.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 03:40:19 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 03:27:20 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 01, 2013, 02:49:44 PM

Others like Reo Coker, Young, Downing, Milner, Petrov were overpriced but largely welcomed.

Sorry to pick you up on just one point in your post, which I largely agreed with,  but how can they be overpriced when we made so much money on them?

We left Reo Coker go on a free but spending 8.5m on him was fairly daft. As a player I thought he was a decent signing at the time and I liked him at Villa generally. But I'm sure there are plenty of better midfielders in the league that went for less back then. Struggling to think of examples mind, Tim Cahill though is one.

Downing at 10m after a dreadful season with Boro and injured. Adam Johnson at the same club at the time would have been a better player to bring in I reckon. Milner at 12m from Newcastle, Keegan couldnt turn down that for him. Both were no more than solid premier league players when they joined. Only when Milner was moved into the centre at Villa midway through his final season did he perform any more than acceptable. Downing in a shite team under Houllier starred but his first season was crap. Think we benefitted more from the end of the bubble era in the league with their sales. Mancini or Man City won't spend that kind of money on a player as limited as Milner ever again. 24m it still beggars belief. King Kenny did us a big favour with Downing. 20m again was just crazy.
Young was MON's big success story. A gamble on the big money paid but worked out extremely well. A far better player for the club over a longer period of time than the other two. This is despite the return on Downing and Milner being far superior.

There is an argument to say any modern player is overpriced, but it's all comparative.  NRC I grant you, but the others, and you're being VERY unfair to Milner, contributed and then went for a profit.  If every player did that we'd be well up the table from where we are now!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 01, 2013, 03:42:19 PM

Quote from: eamonn on April 30, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

I'm not sure Joleon gives a stuff about us anymore for the way we disposed of his big bro Aaron back when Big Brother was just that and for the way our fans laugh and mock his forehead. Wasn't there summat about his kneecaps and Percy's gangster mates too?

He has no worries on that score, trust me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2013, 03:53:04 PM

Sell N'Zogbia. We need to raise funds to boost our transfer budget. Zoggy is likely to have a few takers, where as say Ireland will be incredibly difficult to get rid of.

For the wages he's on, CNZ doesn't do nearly enough. He's been okay since the turn of the year, though pretty average in the last few weeks again, but he doesn't fit into the side well enough. We look disjointed when he plays. If we dropped Gabby or Wiemann, there'd be a place for him, but they're playing far better.

Sell while we can. For the fee we'd get and wages saved, Lambert could bring in two more players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 01, 2013, 04:05:22 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 01, 2013, 03:53:04 PM

Sell N'Zogbia. We need to raise funds to boost our transfer budget. Zoggy is likely to have a few takers, where as say Ireland will be incredibly difficult to get rid of.

For the wages he's on, CNZ doesn't do nearly enough. He's been okay since the turn of the year, though pretty average in the last few weeks again, but he doesn't fit into the side well enough. We look disjointed when he plays. If we dropped Gabby or Wiemann, there'd be a place for him, but they're playing far better.

Sell while we can. For the fee we'd get and wages saved, Lambert could bring in two more players.

Couldn't agree more.  even at 5-1 up with 18 minutes to go, Gabby or Andi weren't given a breather to bring him on.  We looked so much better without him in the team!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on May 01, 2013, 04:24:45 PM

All the "new" money in the Premier League next season will see the same old over-inflated prices for British-based players I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 01, 2013, 04:55:31 PM

I'm still willing to accept £30 million for Ireland and Hutton. Can't say fairer than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 01, 2013, 05:01:09 PM

I actually think it'll mean a second influx of foreigners which is nothing new. This time I think some of the world's top names will join.

Compared to other leagues the EPL will be rich, and as Snieder proves, top clubs need to sell.

I could even see Ronaldo returning to Man U.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I agree N'Zogbia can join Dunne, Ireland, Hutton and Bent on the outward bound list.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I can see a big name leaving a big club out of favour moving to Villa Park this summer to put himself in the window for World Cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 01, 2013, 05:08:48 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 01, 2013, 03:53:04 PM

Sell N'Zogbia. We need to raise funds to boost our transfer budget. Zoggy is likely to have a few takers, where as say Ireland will be incredibly difficult to get rid of.

For the wages he's on, CNZ doesn't do nearly enough. He's been okay since the turn of the year, though pretty average in the last few weeks again, but he doesn't fit into the side well enough. We look disjointed when he plays. If we dropped Gabby or Wiemann, there'd be a place for him, but they're playing far better.

Sell while we can. For the fee we'd get and wages saved, Lambert could bring in two more players.

I think N'zog's been pretty much a big waste of money, he's had a couple of decent games at most and then a few bits of cameo in others but still flatters to deceive,
just when you think he's turned the corner and started to look good he just goes back into his averageness and back to being useless again

i'd sell him at the first chance, he opitomises everything about our big spending past, he's not good enough for us and never has been

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 01, 2013, 05:21:12 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I can see a big name leaving a big club out of favour moving to Villa Park this summer to put himself in the window for World Cup.

Anyone in mind, Michael?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 01, 2013, 05:29:33 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 05:08:48 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 01, 2013, 03:53:04 PM

Sell N'Zogbia. We need to raise funds to boost our transfer budget. Zoggy is likely to have a few takers, where as say Ireland will be incredibly difficult to get rid of.

For the wages he's on, CNZ doesn't do nearly enough. He's been okay since the turn of the year, though pretty average in the last few weeks again, but he doesn't fit into the side well enough. We look disjointed when he plays. If we dropped Gabby or Wiemann, there'd be a place for him, but they're playing far better.

Sell while we can. For the fee we'd get and wages saved, Lambert could bring in two more players.

I think N'zog's been pretty much a big waste of money, he's had a couple of decent games at most and then a few bits of cameo in others but still flatters to deceive,
just when you think he's turned the corner and started to look good he just goes back into his averageness and back to being useless again

i'd sell him at the first chance, he opitomises everything about our big spending past, he's not good enough for us and never has been

I agree, John. He has been a waste of money and won't live up to the price tag. He has had games where he has looked a threat, but far too infrequently. I'd sell while we can and replace with the proceeds


After reading the last few pages, him and Ireland bear a striking resemblance to Collymore and Curcic IMO. In the sense that they were the players that many fans wanted at the time. N'Zogbia was seen by many as an improvement on Young, a view which I thought was bollocks but still. Ireland was seen as a good makeweight in the deal for Milner. I'd throw Sidwell into that too from recent times. Barry looked like he was off, and Sidwell wasn't being utilised at Chelsea after having a stormer of a season for Reading the year before. At the time of signing all three, there weren't as many doubters like there was with Heskey and Harewood say.

I do wonder how many signings we have made over the years have been swayed by popular fan opinions? Bent was constantly mentioned in the fantasy transfer type threads, and his signing seemed to come out of the blue at a time when everything seemed to be going wrong, and questions were starting to be asked.

That theory gets bombed though with the McLeish incident!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fuse on May 01, 2013, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I can see a big name leaving a big club out of favour moving to Villa Park this summer to put himself in the window for World Cup.

Do you mean someone who is out of favour at a Big Club will move to Villa this summer?

Hope it isn't Lescott who i think is past his sell-by-date. Ashley Young?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 01, 2013, 06:06:01 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 05:08:48 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 01, 2013, 03:53:04 PM

Sell N'Zogbia. We need to raise funds to boost our transfer budget. Zoggy is likely to have a few takers, where as say Ireland will be incredibly difficult to get rid of.

For the wages he's on, CNZ doesn't do nearly enough. He's been okay since the turn of the year, though pretty average in the last few weeks again, but he doesn't fit into the side well enough. We look disjointed when he plays. If we dropped Gabby or Wiemann, there'd be a place for him, but they're playing far better.

Sell while we can. For the fee we'd get and wages saved, Lambert could bring in two more players.

I think N'zog's been pretty much a big waste of money, he's had a couple of decent games at most and then a few bits of cameo in others but still flatters to deceive,
just when you think he's turned the corner and started to look good he just goes back into his averageness and back to being useless again

i'd sell him at the first chance, he opitomises everything about our big spending past, he's not good enough for us and never has been

Doesn't work hard enough for me and even when he had a few decent games in the attacking midfield position this season, he didn't really offer too much off the ball.  I've always got the impression with him that he would be best in attacking wide position on the right, but that he doesn't want to play there and puts even less effort in when he is shifted out wide. 

I'm sure there would be a buyer either in this country or in France, so I would be another looking to move him on in the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2013, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 01:33:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:58:17 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

as much as i would love some of these players coming back or to the Villa, they are tired old names trotted out every transfer window,
we just aren't there any more, like my ex wife once said to me, we have 'moved on'

just look at the last window, when fellow strugglers were signing Sisoko and Samba we were bringing in  an absolute unknown from France who even most of them hadn't heard of,
 no one could understand it, meltdown on the transfer thread, until maybe Monday night when Syla the unknown played a major part in our relegation battle, and we now all think he might well turn out to be a good player for us

I just think this is now Lambert and his backroom staffs mindset, I think he loves the fact we are the youngest team in the prem, he loves the togetherness of the squad, he loves the fact they will give their all on the pitch, and the big earners are all lined up on the side lines for now, ready to be shunted away

that's why I don't think we will be going down well trodden paths for a while, its a brand new policy and its different from anything that has gone before, that's my take on it anyway,
 obviously if we sign a couple of 30+ year olds I will have read it wrong but I think it will be more of the same from Lambert, and it gets my vote

You are spot on John re Sylla. On the face of it, 2m on a 22 year old destroyer who has looked like he is taking a bit of time to settle and has plenty of potential, but as I have now said a few times, it has shocked me that in his 8 apps, we have won 5, drawn 2 and only lost to Liverpool. That is a pretty damned good return on spending 2m on an unknown from the French 2nd division. We have indeed, moved on.

Still like Lescott though in our back 4. More likely to end up with Chester if Hull mess things up.

It'll also be interesting to find out how much of the 2012 deals were down to the necessity of needing so many players with relatively little money, whilst also still addressing the wage bill issue.  Lambert wasn't really in a position to get an established PL player for circa £10m and £60k a week, but he might be this summer.

You sure? We had a bid accepted for Clint Dempsey. Presumably we were happy to pony up the wages too but he was holding out for Liverpool and when they didn't go higher, Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 01, 2013, 07:35:13 PM

I got a nudge in the last window that the cash for transfers was there but the wages were still the issue. No such excuses in the summer surely.

I don't think Lambert is averse to experienced players, just looked at his lot and took a golden gamble.

It might just pay off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2013, 08:55:46 PM

I'm guessing it's safe to say that we'll be paying wages more in tune with our turnover, unlike previous years. As we'll have a lot more money coming in (assuming we stay up of course) then wages will probably go up in line with that.

Problem is, the same will be true across the league meaning everyone else will also have to pay higher wages as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2013, 09:04:58 PM

I'd be raiding Wigan for Figueroa, McManaman and McCarthy if they go down. All could really add something to our squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 01, 2013, 09:19:49 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I can see a big name leaving a big club out of favour moving to Villa Park this summer to put himself in the window for World Cup.

Gerard Pique?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on May 01, 2013, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I agree N'Zogbia can join Dunne, Ireland, Hutton and Bent on the outward bound list.

Yep I agree, and you can add Given to that list too. 60k a week for the most underused position in any football squad is frankly ludicrous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 01, 2013, 09:49:40 PM

You guys. You keep naming prospects we have all heard of. Lambert and Lerner will not sign a single one of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2013, 09:59:34 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on May 01, 2013, 07:35:13 PM

I got a nudge in the last window that the cash for transfers was there but the wages were still the issue.

I think you're right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on May 01, 2013, 10:05:09 PM

Thinking about it, should Bent go and leave us a striker short, I reckon we should be looking for the one thing we're lacking from our strike force - craft.

I couldn't say if he's a one season wonder or not,  but the man who seems to have it in spades is Michu from Swansea.

Would he come here? For Darren Bents wages, I reckon he'd find it hard to say no.

Mind you Lamberts probably spotted a potential equivalent in the Serbian 4th division, and he's available for 50k and the minimum wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on May 01, 2013, 10:05:37 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 01, 2013, 09:19:49 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I can see a big name leaving a big club out of favour moving to Villa Park this summer to put himself in the window for World Cup.

Gerard Pique?

Lampard?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 01, 2013, 10:48:29 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2013, 09:04:58 PM

I'd be raiding Wigan for Figueroa, McManaman and McCarthy if they go down. All could really add something to our squad.

Still think he would be a great signing for us and would be my number one midfield target.  Only 22 yet has made nearly 200 professional appearances for Hamilton and Wigan. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 01, 2013, 10:53:05 PM

Think if city do get rid of Lescott then he would take a pay cut to join us. The experience we need at the back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 01, 2013, 11:19:15 PM

Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2013, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I agree N'Zogbia can join Dunne, Ireland, Hutton and Bent on the outward bound list.

Yep I agree, and you can add Given to that list too. 60k a week for the most underused position in any football squad is frankly ludicrous.

It would be if that's what he was being paid. The figure talked about when he first signed was £40k - the issue was giving a 35 year old a 5-year contract. He's still got another 3 years to go and only plays cup matches.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 01, 2013, 11:31:49 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 01, 2013, 11:19:15 PM

Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2013, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I agree N'Zogbia can join Dunne, Ireland, Hutton and Bent on the outward bound list.

Yep I agree, and you can add Given to that list too. 60k a week for the most underused position in any football squad is frankly ludicrous.

It would be if that's what he was being paid. The figure talked about when he first signed was £40k - the issue was giving a 35 year old a 5-year contract. He's still got another 3 years to go and only plays cup matches.

Would paying him a big part of his contract to leave, then paying a transfer fee and wages for a new keeper actually be
any cheaper?  Or to put it another way would it save enough money to improve us, to make it a worthwhile exercise?

Paying up half of Shay's contact to then sign another guy on a 12month deal seems daft, as does signing a young up and coming keeper who is even more likely to get frustrated with not playing. Having an elder statesman in the dressing room who isn't a complete bell-end may actually be more valuable to us than we realise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 01, 2013, 11:32:35 PM

Lescott's a lovely lad, comes from a real nice family and is currently one of the best centre halves in the league.

But are we really going to offer a sizeable contract to a 30 year old? He's hardly going to accept 2 years with an option of a further 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 11:35:44 PM

I would think 3 plus 1 Steve would be realistic and you would think he will go to 34 35 without issue looking at him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 02, 2013, 12:18:01 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

right age bracket and will have something to prove after this season.

Wouldn't be surprised if West Ham or Fulham got him though. Was he a big sam signing at blackburn?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 02, 2013, 12:29:49 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 11:35:44 PM

I would think 3 plus 1 Steve would be realistic and you would think he will go to 34 35 without issue looking at him.

It's probably not unreasonable to expect a few years out of him, maybe I'm being pessimistic after the likes of Heskey, Dunne, Given and a fair few before them.

Whatever club he goes to I'd certainly be confident that he's professional enough to go there to play football rather than just turn over money at a relaxed pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:32:36 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 02, 2013, 12:29:49 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 11:35:44 PM

I would think 3 plus 1 Steve would be realistic and you would think he will go to 34 35 without issue looking at him.

It's probably not unreasonable to expect a few years out of him, maybe I'm being pessimistic after the likes of Heskey, Dunne, Given and a fair few before them.

Whatever club he goes to I'd certainly be confident that he's professional enough to go there to play football rather than just turn over money at a relaxed pace.

I think he has got the possibility of being England's main defender at 2 major tournaments over the next 3 years, so should be trying to play as many games as he can.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

Not for me Ozz and I would go as far as saying that he is exactly the kind of player we don't need at the club.  Went to QPR for the money and has been nowhere to be seen when the going got tough there.  I've liked the look of Andros Townsend every time I have seen him play this season and he might be worth having a look at.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 02, 2013, 05:34:21 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 01, 2013, 10:48:29 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2013, 09:04:58 PM

I'd be raiding Wigan for Figueroa, McManaman and McCarthy if they go down. All could really add something to our squad.

Still think he would be a great signing for us and would be my number one midfield target.  Only 22 yet has made nearly 200 professional appearances for Hamilton and Wigan.

Id avoid McCarthy like the plague. Have watched him closely for years as soon it was released that he could play for Ireland. He was being linked with the likes of Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Barcelona when he started at Hamilton. Yet when it came to his big move he ended up at ahem Wigan. Saw a report at the weekend suggesting Man Utd were interested in him, he is more likely to end up at another relegation dodging side. He certainly has ability dont get me wrong. But Trapatoni has it right about him, he lacks courage and presence in midfield. Tidy when there is no pressure on him but at the same time doesnt break forward and get goals. Doesnt get much tackles in, doesnt create goals. Despite 4 years experience in the league, Id rate Westwood a better prospect and Wigan will get stupid money for McCarthy in the summer. Let it be Liverpool or someone else. The star in the McCarthy camp is his agent as the lad has been well and truly built into a player he is not from the day he started playing senior football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on May 02, 2013, 05:47:53 AM

We will not sign anyone that doesn't have a sell on value.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 06:58:15 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

Not for me Ozz and I would go as far as saying that he is exactly the kind of player we don't need at the club.  Went to QPR for the money and has been nowhere to be seen when the going got tough there.  I've liked the look of Andros Townsend every time I have seen him play this season and he might be worth having a look at.

Maybe re Hoilett, but I think there is a very decent player in there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2013, 07:04:18 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 01, 2013, 11:32:35 PM

Lescott's a lovely lad, comes from a real nice family and is currently one of the best centre halves in the league.

But are we really going to offer a sizeable contract to a 30 year old? He's hardly going to accept 2 years with an option of a further 2.

I agree.

I'd like him, but I just don't see us making that kind of signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 02, 2013, 07:13:45 AM

Olsson for 3.5m?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-face-battle-keep-1864287

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 02, 2013, 08:30:53 AM

Aston Villa aim to secure star duo Christian Benteke and Andreas Weimann on new contracts by the end of the month.

Strikers Benteke and Weimann took their tallies to 22 and 12 goals respectively in the 6-1 win over Sunderland to boost Villa's survival bid.

Benteke's sensational debut Premier League campaign has sparked interest from Man City and Spurs.

While former Villa trainee Weimann, 21, has also attracted attention with his contract up at the end of next season.

But Villa's hierarchy are very confident of keeping both men on fresh terms once Premier League safety is secured.

 

The pair are willing to stay on significantly improved financial terms, which look set to finalised later this month.

Benteke realises he needs regular starts next season to safeguard his position as Belgium's No.1 striker ahead of the 2014 World Cup.

But Villa are prepared to offload big-earning trio Stephen Ireland, Darren Bent and Shay Given.

While out-of-contract veteran defender Richard Dunne is not getting a new deal at Villa Park and is set to be replaced.

Boss Paul Lambert is now already busy scouting other targets in northern Europe in Holland and Belgium following the success of Benteke's signing from Genk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2013, 08:38:21 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 01, 2013, 11:32:35 PM

Lescott's a lovely lad, comes from a real nice family and is currently one of the best centre halves in the league.

But are we really going to offer a sizeable contract to a 30 year old? He's hardly going to accept 2 years with an option of a further 2.

30 ain't that old for footballers with the training, medicine and rehab techniques available. He doesn't have a poor injury history and doesn't come across as a bar fly or social nutter.
He'd be perfect alongside Ron and as a mentor for CC and Baker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 02, 2013, 08:42:44 AM

Quote from: Mister E on May 02, 2013, 08:38:21 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 01, 2013, 11:32:35 PM

Lescott's a lovely lad, comes from a real nice family and is currently one of the best centre halves in the league.

But are we really going to offer a sizeable contract to a 30 year old? He's hardly going to accept 2 years with an option of a further 2.

30 ain't that old for footballers with the training, medicine and rehab techniques available. He doesn't have a poor injury history and doesn't come across as a bar fly or social nutter.
He'd be perfect alongside Ron and as a mentor for CC and Baker.

Indeed look at how good paul McGrath was in his 30s - lescott would be good for at least 3 years bu which time baker and Clark should be approaching their prime .
It's a World Cup year and lescott may see regular football at villa as a way to get into the England side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 02, 2013, 09:13:55 AM

Quote from: Matt C on May 02, 2013, 07:13:45 AM

Olsson for 3.5m?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-face-battle-keep-1864287

He's another player who a lot of people seem to rate but i don't get it. He's alright but that's about it. He's also a cheating twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2013, 09:47:10 AM

Quote from: eamonn on May 01, 2013, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 01, 2013, 01:33:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2013, 12:58:17 PM

Quote from: john e on May 01, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

as much as i would love some of these players coming back or to the Villa, they are tired old names trotted out every transfer window,
we just aren't there any more, like my ex wife once said to me, we have 'moved on'

just look at the last window, when fellow strugglers were signing Sisoko and Samba we were bringing in  an absolute unknown from France who even most of them hadn't heard of,
 no one could understand it, meltdown on the transfer thread, until maybe Monday night when Syla the unknown played a major part in our relegation battle, and we now all think he might well turn out to be a good player for us

I just think this is now Lambert and his backroom staffs mindset, I think he loves the fact we are the youngest team in the prem, he loves the togetherness of the squad, he loves the fact they will give their all on the pitch, and the big earners are all lined up on the side lines for now, ready to be shunted away

that's why I don't think we will be going down well trodden paths for a while, its a brand new policy and its different from anything that has gone before, that's my take on it anyway,
 obviously if we sign a couple of 30+ year olds I will have read it wrong but I think it will be more of the same from Lambert, and it gets my vote

You are spot on John re Sylla. On the face of it, 2m on a 22 year old destroyer who has looked like he is taking a bit of time to settle and has plenty of potential, but as I have now said a few times, it has shocked me that in his 8 apps, we have won 5, drawn 2 and only lost to Liverpool. That is a pretty damned good return on spending 2m on an unknown from the French 2nd division. We have indeed, moved on.

Still like Lescott though in our back 4. More likely to end up with Chester if Hull mess things up.

It'll also be interesting to find out how much of the 2012 deals were down to the necessity of needing so many players with relatively little money, whilst also still addressing the wage bill issue.  Lambert wasn't really in a position to get an established PL player for circa £10m and £60k a week, but he might be this summer.

You sure? We had a bid accepted for Clint Dempsey. Presumably we were happy to pony up the wages too but he was holding out for Liverpool and when they didn't go higher, Spurs.

A very good point and one I had forgotten.  I do think we wouldn't have signed Benteke if we had gotten Dempsey, but it does further detract from the theory that Lambert won't sign established players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2013, 09:49:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 06:58:15 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

Not for me Ozz and I would go as far as saying that he is exactly the kind of player we don't need at the club.  Went to QPR for the money and has been nowhere to be seen when the going got tough there.  I've liked the look of Andros Townsend every time I have seen him play this season and he might be worth having a look at.

Maybe re Hoilett, but I think there is a very decent player in there.

Hoilett will be looking for too much money, and that money won't be in keeping with his contribution to the cause, so it's a 'no' from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 02, 2013, 09:57:42 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 02, 2013, 05:34:21 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 01, 2013, 10:48:29 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2013, 09:04:58 PM

I'd be raiding Wigan for Figueroa, McManaman and McCarthy if they go down. All could really add something to our squad.

Still think he would be a great signing for us and would be my number one midfield target.  Only 22 yet has made nearly 200 professional appearances for Hamilton and Wigan.

Id avoid McCarthy like the plague. Have watched him closely for years as soon it was released that he could play for Ireland. He was being linked with the likes of Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Barcelona when he started at Hamilton. Yet when it came to his big move he ended up at ahem Wigan. Saw a report at the weekend suggesting Man Utd were interested in him, he is more likely to end up at another relegation dodging side. He certainly has ability dont get me wrong. But Trapatoni has it right about him, he lacks courage and presence in midfield. Tidy when there is no pressure on him but at the same time doesnt break forward and get goals. Doesnt get much tackles in, doesnt create goals. Despite 4 years experience in the league, Id rate Westwood a better prospect and Wigan will get stupid money for McCarthy in the summer. Let it be Liverpool or someone else. The star in the McCarthy camp is his agent as the lad has been well and truly built into a player he is not from the day he started playing senior football.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Trappatoni has been wrong about him (and a lot of other things). I must say, I was a little sceptical about the hype surrounding him for a while, but after playing Sweden away, he pretty much ran the game. What's more is that he did a lot of very good defensive work, as he does for Wigan. Not last ditch, sliding challenges, but lots of intelligent interceptions in the defensive third. Trap's problem with him is that he likes to play football and has an eye for a pass.

At 22, he has 200 appearances and is what Ireland's international team will be built around once Trap gets paid off. I think he would slot in very nicely in our set up too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 02, 2013, 10:42:59 AM

Wouldn't mind Olssen. He's better than what we have.

Would love Lescott. He'd make us a lot more solid. A wealth of experience, a goal threat, dominant in the air and he'd keep the backline in order. Could be a Laursen for us.

We definitely need more experience in the backline as well as in midfield. McCarthy would be a decent signing. He'd be a reasonable fee if Wigan go down, not on huge wages because he's at Wigan, and he's got plenty of experience whilst still being very young. Ideal signing to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 02, 2013, 09:49:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 06:58:15 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

I wonder if Junior Hoilett on a free, as is rumoured due to his wages at QPR, would be worth a punt. Lambert could get some form out of him he would be an exciting option challenging for a spot in that front 3. I would love Remy but think he is Arsenal or Liverpool bound.

Not for me Ozz and I would go as far as saying that he is exactly the kind of player we don't need at the club.  Went to QPR for the money and has been nowhere to be seen when the going got tough there.  I've liked the look of Andros Townsend every time I have seen him play this season and he might be worth having a look at.

Maybe re Hoilett, but I think there is a very decent player in there.

Hoilett will be looking for too much money, and that money won't be in keeping with his contribution to the cause, so it's a 'no' from me.

Hoilett put himself in the shop window as practically the only thing keeping Blackburn anywhere near survival. Then he chose to go to QPR because they waved a big cheque at him, even though it was obvious he'd be right in the thick of another relegation battle. Says it all for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 02, 2013, 11:14:52 AM

I hope Lambo is scouting Scandinavia.  Not enough Vikings in this squad for my liking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on May 02, 2013, 11:55:01 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 01, 2013, 11:19:15 PM

Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2013, 09:26:39 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 01, 2013, 05:06:48 PM

I agree N'Zogbia can join Dunne, Ireland, Hutton and Bent on the outward bound list.

Yep I agree, and you can add Given to that list too. 60k a week for the most underused position in any football squad is frankly ludicrous.

It would be if that's what he was being paid. The figure talked about when he first signed was £40k - the issue was giving a 35 year old a 5-year contract. He's still got another 3 years to go and only plays cup matches.

The figures quoted in the Daily Mail, who are fairly reliable, said he was on 80k at Man City and took a 25% cut to join us.

Regardless, 20, 30, or 40 grand is still too much to pay someone, who as you rightly say, will sit out 38 league games.

Of course, shifting him is the problem, I wasn't for a minute suggesting that paying him off would be a sensible alternative.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on May 02, 2013, 01:33:14 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 02, 2013, 11:14:52 AM

I hope Lambo is scouting Scandinavia.  Not enough Vikings in this squad for my liking.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 02, 2013, 01:33:22 PM

Olsson is one of those players that if he plays for your team, you love him. He is popular at the stripeys, just like a certain Swedish centre back was around these parts!

Where they differ though is that for me Olsson is just a bully. A nasty thug with no grace whatsoever. He's quite cumbersome too. I hate him.

Sadly I have to agree that he would improve the back line

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 02, 2013, 04:05:09 PM

Olsson's cheating last year at VP and his GobbyCabbage/JonathanGreening hairstyle just makes me want to throw rocks at him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 04:09:04 PM

There is a reason that QPR fans call him Junior Toilet. Out of all their mercenaries, he has been the worst. Hasn't contributed anything at all. Exactly the type of player we don't want to see in a Villa shirt. Having Ireland on our books is bad enough FFS!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2013, 04:17:53 PM

Hoillett has talent, but clearly an appalling attitude and view to his career. Also he's been a complete non-entity this year, so stear well clear.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 04:42:57 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 02, 2013, 01:33:22 PM

Olsson is one of those players that if he plays for your team, you love him. He is popular at the stripeys, just like a certain Swedish centre back was around these parts!

Where they differ though is that for me Olsson is just a bully. A nasty thug with no grace whatsoever. He's quite cumbersome too. I hate him.

Sadly I have to agree that he would improve the back line

It would be worth signing him just to hear the righteous indignation and squealing that would ensue from the Sandwell area. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 04:52:42 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2013, 04:42:57 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 02, 2013, 01:33:22 PM

Olsson is one of those players that if he plays for your team, you love him. He is popular at the stripeys, just like a certain Swedish centre back was around these parts!

Where they differ though is that for me Olsson is just a bully. A nasty thug with no grace whatsoever. He's quite cumbersome too. I hate him.

Sadly I have to agree that he would improve the back line

It would be worth signing him just to hear the righteous indignation and squealing that would ensue from the Sandwell area.

Yeah that would be brilliant. Whenever they mouth off, we would have the ready-made reply of 'at least Olsson knows who the bigger club is'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 02, 2013, 05:20:03 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2013, 04:17:53 PM

Hoillett has talent, but clearly an appalling attitude and view to his career. Also he's been a complete non-entity this year, so stear well clear.

Lambert is pretty astute with his homework on players and their personality - cant see hoillett being  on his radar .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 02, 2013, 04:05:09 PM

Olsson's cheating last year at VP and his GobbyCabbage/JonathanGreening hairstyle just makes me want to throw rocks at him.

We need more cheats. We've always been too nice for our own good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 02, 2013, 06:25:26 PM

any goalscoring playmaker worth a look for our midfield as we need a playmaker who can score goals (and defend)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2013, 07:18:38 PM

I can't wait for Lambert to get busy wheeling and dealing again because I honestly have no idea who he'll go for and I love that. I do know there will be some homework done first though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 02, 2013, 07:36:19 PM

 I agree about McCarthy bronte.Never been impressed when i've seen him, struts around without actually hurting the opposition, and they talk about £10m......no thanks.

 I am warming to the idea of Huddleston though, alongside Delph and Sylla in partic, you have the energy and urgency to compensate for his lack of mobility, but his passing range would greatly help Weimann and Benteke in partic.

 Would prefer Olsson over Lescott tbh, cheaper, younger, and a proper defender.Baker needs a rest, and Clarks not good enough.Vlaar has enough leadership qualities to keep.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2013, 07:43:20 PM

I think there's some harsh criticism of Hoilett here in calling him a mercenary.  He went to a side that should, given the money they spent, have been significantly more competitive than they have been.  I agree he's had a poor season and I'm not advocating we go for him, but I think it's harsh to call him a mercenary for joining QPR just because the team on paper is far better than the team on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2013, 09:41:11 PM

I want Lambert to sign players Ive never heard of like Benteke ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on May 02, 2013, 09:43:44 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2013, 07:18:38 PM

I can't wait for Lambert to get busy wheeling and dealing again because I honestly have no idea who he'll go for and I love that. I do know there will be some homework done first though.

And hopefully this thread will be completely wrong!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2013, 09:44:15 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 02, 2013, 07:36:19 PM

 I agree about McCarthy bronte.Never been impressed when i've seen him, struts around without actually hurting the opposition, and they talk about £10m......no thanks.

 I am warming to the idea of Huddleston though, alongside Delph and Sylla in partic, you have the energy and urgency to compensate for his lack of mobility, but his passing range would greatly help Weimann and Benteke in partic.

 Would prefer Olsson over Lescott tbh, cheaper, younger, and a proper defender.Baker needs a rest, and Clarks not good enough.Vlaar has enough leadership qualities to keep.

Huddlestone looked completely useless for Spurs at Wigan. Not for me anymore. We have moved on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 10:16:52 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 02, 2013, 07:43:20 PM

I think there's some harsh criticism of Hoilett here in calling him a mercenary.

It is difficult to claim that he rejected a CL team (Monchengladblach) to join QPR for anything other then financial reasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2013, 10:28:11 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 10:16:52 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 02, 2013, 07:43:20 PM

I think there's some harsh criticism of Hoilett here in calling him a mercenary.

It is difficult to claim that he rejected a CL team (Monchengladblach) to join QPR for anything other then financial reasons.

So being happy playing in england and not wanting to move to Germany can't be the reason?  I'm fairly sure that's what was stated at the time as well.  All I'm saying is that I think that word is thrown around a bit to easily at times and I think it's particularly harsh with him.

I don't think he's great and didn't think he was anything special at blackburn, I work with a blackburn fan who constantly called him a highlights player, he likened him to nzogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 10:45:59 PM

Fair point paul_e but he has looked nothing short of a mercenary in a QPR shirt. He has shown no fight, desire , passion or effort at any point this season. Ask any QPR fan whether he has had even one good game this season and they will reply in the negative. At least he had some good games at Blackburn. Even N'Zogbia looks up for it about 50% of the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2013, 10:59:25 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 10:45:59 PM

Fair point paul_e but he has looked nothing short of a mercenary in a QPR shirt. He has shown no fight, desire , passion or effort at any point this season. Ask any QPR fan whether he has had even one good game this season and they will reply in the negative. At least he had some good games at Blackburn. Even N'Zogbia looks up for it about 50% of the time.

I agree he's been crap, but can that not just be because he's been crap?  Samba I can agree is a mercenary, he's taken the club to the cleaners, with alleged clauses to make sure he gets a big fat pay off for helping relegate them, Hoilett has just been a bit rubbish.  On top of that if Gladbach offered, lets say, 30k and qpr offered 50k and were telling him that they planned on pushing for europe (their spending suggests they were aiming for much more than relegation, they just spent badly) is he really so bad to take the big money?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2013, 11:04:44 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 02, 2013, 04:09:04 PM

There is a reason that QPR fans call him Junior Toilet. Out of all their mercenaries, he has been the worst. Hasn't contributed anything at all. Exactly the type of player we don't want to see in a Villa shirt. Having Ireland on our books is bad enough FFS!

I really liked him at Blackburn and thought he had the makings of another Ashley Young. Looks like his career has declined chasing the money but he's still only 22 so not a lost cause.

Yes to Olsson, better than what we have in defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 03, 2013, 07:49:34 AM

Fuck that. I can't stand the Olbiyun goon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2013, 01:05:09 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on May 03, 2013, 07:49:34 AM

Fuck that. I can't stand the Olbiyun goon.

Amen brutha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2013, 09:09:46 AM

Olsson would be OK, but even at £3.75m you could probably go straight to source and get a younger overseas CB just as good for that sort of money, plus less wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on May 05, 2013, 09:03:09 AM

Anyone mentioned Robson-Kanu from Reading? Flog N'zog and bring him in; cheaper wages, make money on the fee and more importantly a better player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 05, 2013, 09:10:58 AM

 We need better players than Robson-Kanu imho.A player to put pressure on Weimann and Gabby.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 05, 2013, 11:25:17 AM

Olssen was at fault for every Wigan goal yesterday. The cheating, usless twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 05, 2013, 11:27:34 AM

Don't see the fuss with him anyway. Far better options around than him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2013, 11:31:39 AM

I'd rather we got the Olssen twins than their lairy, dirty, Scando cousin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 05, 2013, 04:13:25 PM

Has anyone spotted good young players in the Championship or League One teams, playing in the positions where Villa need strengthening? Centre back, full back, attacking midfielder. Tom Ince, Harry Maguire, Alan Judge, Luke Murphy, Patrick Madden, Kieran Trippier, Yannick Bolasie....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 05, 2013, 05:16:42 PM

Thomas Ince would be ace signing replace nzogbia any day ! Defender Lees of Leeds and Perkins Barnsley, Midfielder Jonny Williams of Palace, will Hughes and Jeff hendrick of derby, Bridcut brighton, Henry lansbury forest, Wingers Redmond of Birmingham Adomah bristol city Stanislas burnley and Matty Phillips of Blackpool all capable. My fave 2 strikers in championship are Charlie Austin and Chris wood both would be good replacements  for Bent.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 06, 2013, 03:06:25 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 05, 2013, 05:16:42 PM

Thomas Ince would be ace signing replace nzogbia any day ! Defender Lees of Leeds and Perkins Barnsley, Midfielder Jonny Williams of Palace, will Hughes and Jeff hendrick of derby, Bridcut brighton, Henry lansbury forest, Wingers Redmond of Birmingham Adomah bristol city Stanislas burnley and Matty Phillips of Blackpool all capable. My fave 2 strikers in championship are Charlie Austin and Chris wood both would be good replacements  for Bent.

Ince would be a good signing, but is going to be costly.  Have seen Will Hughes play a few times and have to say that for a 17 year old he looks a real talent.  Very good on the ball and surprisingly strong for someone who is a little on the small side.  Same goes for Williams at Crystal Palace.  Seen him play for Wales and he looks a very good prospect who can play wide and in a more central attacking position.  Not so sure about Austin and Wood.  Wood hardly got a look in at the Albion though he has been a fairly consistent goalscorer in the Championship for some time.  Probably better going abroad for a striker. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2013, 09:37:19 AM

I think the front three would really benefit from having an attacking midfielder who can really put a ball in, especially from a set-piece. The fact we have some genuine monsters in the team and have only scored from two corners is poor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2013, 09:40:43 AM

Quote from: Ads on May 06, 2013, 09:37:19 AM

I think the front three would really benefit from having an attacking midfielder who can really put a ball in, especially from a set-piece. The fact we have some genuine monsters in the team and have only scored from two corners is poor.

What, you mean like Gary Gardner?

Will Hughes is a real star-in-the-making and now would be the time to gamble on him ... but of course does not bring the experience we really need in MF.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2013, 09:43:50 AM

Gardner may be a good player given time, but I would rather not wait half a season for our attacking midfield support to get it together next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 06, 2013, 10:47:56 AM

I'd like Lambert to unearth a another Benteke standard player in midfield. Preferably the new Zidane, but the real "new Zidane" and not just the Togolese Zidane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on May 06, 2013, 11:27:33 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 05, 2013, 05:16:42 PM

Thomas Ince would be ace signing replace nzogbia any day ! Defender Lees of Leeds and Perkins Barnsley, Midfielder Jonny Williams of Palace, will Hughes and Jeff hendrick of derby, Bridcut brighton, Henry lansbury forest, Wingers Redmond of Birmingham Adomah bristol city Stanislas burnley and Matty Phillips of Blackpool all capable. My fave 2 strikers in championship are Charlie Austin and Chris wood both would be good replacements  for Bent.   

Tell you what, having seen Wigans last 3 or 4 games, I'd take Shaun Maloney over N'Zogbia. Definately more intelligent and creative.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2013, 11:57:18 AM

It's a real shame that Maloney never took to his time at Villa. He's been great over the past 18 months for Wigan. His assist for the Wigan winner was Messi-esque.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2013, 12:08:39 PM

I would take Andros Townsend if he can't get a game at Spurs

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 06, 2013, 12:14:57 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 06, 2013, 11:57:18 AM

It's a real shame that Maloney never took to his time at Villa. He's been great over the past 18 months for Wigan. His assist for the Wigan winner was Messi-esque.

The sad part is that with how Lambert plays, Maloney would have a far better time playing for us now. He was never given a decent run under O Neill, because of course, he'd play his favoured 11 as often as possible, but Maloney scored some crackers for us regardless. Will never forget his two goals at the Bridge.

I wouldn't mind having him back here, but at 30, he's just a bit too old now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2013, 01:20:52 PM

Maloney would be ace in our team now, in either attacking midfield or one of the forward 3 roles. In fact, if they drop, I would not be shocked to see Lambert go for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 06, 2013, 01:26:32 PM

If we still had Maloney whose place would he take, from Saturday's line up?

I'm thinking Weimann or Sylla would probably miss out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Wee Jimmy Krankie can fuck off. He had his chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2013, 01:52:31 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Wee Jimmy Krankie can fuck off. He had his chance.

If you call being ignored by that twat O'Neill being given a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

Fair comment but it seems he was ignored because he couldn't find his gonads and was pining for his Buckfast.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2013, 01:56:11 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

Fair comment but it seems he was ignored because he couldn't find his gonads and was pining for his Buckfast.

I thought he performed whenever given a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 06, 2013, 02:04:47 PM

IF Wigwam go down (and I'm fully aware it could still be us who falls through the trapdoor)  we could do a lot worse than Wee Shaun.  We could do a lot better too, mind.

Have to admit I liked him as a player when he was with us.  Scored a belter of a free kick to seal a memorable victory away to Man City in O'Neill's first season, and won me £300 with his late winner v Fulham in 2007/08.

Always had quality and decent delivery, but faded in and out of games too much.  But he seems to have added a degree of consistency now and -if his balls have finally dropped and he doesn't need to be hame to mammy in Glasge every 5 minutes- he'd be worth looking at. Particularly if he has a release clause or is available for a knockdown fee.    If Whelan was looking for anything in excess of £4 million, I'd probably look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on May 06, 2013, 02:17:42 PM

Been having a good think on how Lambert will actually replace Darren Bent. Whether he will actually buy another young player who has a lot coming for him, or a player about 23-24 years old with a bit of experience compared to a 20-21 year old. If he was to go for a younger player who would you want him to buy? I'd have a look at Nakhi Wells from Bradford, the lad caused us some problems in the Capital One Cup. For the more experienced player he'll probably look at Jelle Vossen again, that's how he found Benteke so surely they must already have good chemistry between them, so would hopefully fit right in! What do you lot think? :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 02:18:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 06, 2013, 01:56:11 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

Fair comment but it seems he was ignored because he couldn't find his gonads and was pining for his Buckfast.

I thought he performed whenever given a chance.

He did. I have no problem with his ability, just his mentality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on May 06, 2013, 02:46:10 PM

Jay Spearing has been pretty good at Bolton.

He and Andros Townsend would be two I'd look at. Phil Neville for a year too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 06, 2013, 03:04:14 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 02:18:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 06, 2013, 01:56:11 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

Fair comment but it seems he was ignored because he couldn't find his gonads and was pining for his Buckfast.

I thought he performed whenever given a chance.

He did. I have no problem with his ability, just his mentality.

It may be his mentality has finally been sorted now. He's probably relished being with a positive and young manager. So he may well enjoy working with Lambo too. He seems happy to be playing south of the border (of course he's a lot closer there than he was with us) and has found consistency too. For me, he's that type of footballer who can't fit in a rigid 4-4-2, which is why O Neill could never accommodate him.

That said, I wouldn't go there. Much as Maloney has talent, he's 30. He wouldn't be on crazy wages, but I think we could find someone better, just as experienced at this level, and five years younger. There's got to be some poachable talent in that position in the Bundesliga. Quality league, and no shortage of clubs who'd take the money given the chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 04:05:56 PM

We do not need Phil Neville, unless he wants be a coach.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 06, 2013, 04:14:48 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 06, 2013, 04:05:56 PM

We do not need Phil Neville, unless he wants be a coach.

prefer his brother

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 06, 2013, 04:16:16 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on May 06, 2013, 02:46:10 PM

Jay Spearing has been pretty good at Bolton.

He and Andros Townsend would be two I'd look at. Phil Neville for a year too.

Jesus Christ no.  :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 06, 2013, 04:57:09 PM

Quote from: N'Zimidy on May 06, 2013, 04:16:16 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on May 06, 2013, 02:46:10 PM

Jay Spearing has been pretty good at Bolton.

He and Andros Townsend would be two I'd look at. Phil Neville for a year too.

Jesus Christ no.  :o

JC   why not . Good with the crosses at corners

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2013, 05:25:59 PM

This thread could be pretty pointless...I think Lambert will carry on going about his business shipping out the deadwood and signing relatively young unknown players. Unless he signs someone of undoubted ability and experience, I would actually prefer he continue on this model than signing over priced cast offs from other current or relegated PL teams.

In terms of the players we need to sign, a midfield general and strengthening the back four will see us move in the top half of the table next season if we can keep hold of Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 06, 2013, 06:11:06 PM

How good is Ashley Westwood's Crewe Midfield partner who had good goalscoring record.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on May 07, 2013, 05:44:29 AM

The Sun apparently reporting that Allardyce wants Guzan for 5m at West Ham.

Where do they get their information. Why on earth would he go there? Why would we possibly sell him? This story demonstrates not only what bullshit the tabloids are prepared to come out with, but also how frankly out of touch they are, unless I'm missing something here. Guess he's probably not earning a fortune at the moment mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2013, 07:08:32 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 06, 2013, 06:11:06 PM

How good is Ashley Westwood's Crewe Midfield partner who had good goalscoring record.

A lot of people have been linked with Luke Murphy, and Crewe rate him higher than Westwood. Someone we may well have a good look at.

Quote from: jeowje on May 07, 2013, 05:44:29 AM

The Sun apparently reporting that Allardyce wants Guzan for 5m at West Ham.

Where do they get their information. Why on earth would he go there? Why would we possibly sell him? This story demonstrates not only what bullshit the tabloids are prepared to come out with, but also how frankly out of touch they are, unless I'm missing something here. Guess he's probably not earning a fortune at the moment mind.

Out their bottoms. I doubt we will have a less likely rumour all summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 07:53:28 AM

Guzan to West Ham is the most nonsensical and unlikely move I can think of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2013, 10:23:53 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 07:53:28 AM

Guzan to West Ham is the most nonsensical and unlikely move I can think of.

Ludicrous!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 07, 2013, 10:34:46 AM

I would love us to look at Will Hughes at Derby and Jonny Williams at Palace. They both look like they could be top talents and our only realistic chance of getting them would be now when they aren't the finished article yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 07, 2013, 11:17:44 AM

He can have Given for nothing...the fat headed fuckwit.  Sadly for Maloney I think that train has sailed, he'll be the wrong side of 30 next season and I can't see Lambert taking a punt on him, a pity because he has looked excellent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2013, 11:20:13 AM

For the money wigan would want for Maloney I'm sure we could do better elsewhere - always amazes me how people wax lyrical about Martinez and wigan around this time - what about the first 30 games of each season that get them in the mess to start with?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 07, 2013, 11:26:05 AM

He's a nice guy but I don't rate him that highly. It seems the great escapes colour his image and reputation somewhat so that he is celebrated throughout the summer when the jobs come up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 07, 2013, 12:41:25 PM

Ricky Van Wolfswinkel deal at Norwich is looking dodgy isn't it? Did I hear that he hasn't actually signed and could back out if they go down?

I'd snap him up if we sell Bent on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 12:46:06 PM

If we go down then Guzan to West Ham could be possible I suppose. If we stay up then it will never happen in a million years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NeilH on May 07, 2013, 01:17:11 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 07, 2013, 12:41:25 PM

Ricky Van Wolfswinkel deal at Norwich is looking dodgy isn't it? Did I hear that he hasn't actually signed and could back out if they go down?

I'd snap him up if we sell Bent on.

One of the great prospects of Dutch football signing at Norwich. It’s odd to say the least and I’m staggered that a player linked with the likes of Barca a few years ago could end up at Carrow Rd.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 07, 2013, 01:23:51 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 07, 2013, 11:26:05 AM

He's a nice guy but I don't rate him that highly. It seems the great escapes colour his image and reputation somewhat so that he is celebrated throughout the summer when the jobs come up.

There was a quote from him the other day saying he wouldn't like it if there was nothing to play for at this stage of the season and players were discussing their holidays in the changing room. It really does take a special type of talent to wilfully make your team total shite for most of the season just so you get a buzz in the last couple of months.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 07, 2013, 01:27:53 PM

I think he's a great manager, and deserves a crack with a bigger club with bigger funding

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 07, 2013, 01:41:13 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 07, 2013, 11:20:13 AM

For the money wigan would want for Maloney I'm sure we could do better elsewhere - always amazes me how people wax lyrical about Martinez and wigan around this time - what about the first 30 games of each season that get them in the mess to start with?

I didn't realise wee Shaun was that old now!

I suppose it depends on how much we've got to spend, but if you're talking proper money for him than that should be prioritised for other areas of the squad that are in greater need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on May 07, 2013, 01:42:37 PM

I see the centre back at Basle who is 22 I think says he wants to play over here. He is big mates with Weimann who keeps telling him how good it is in England.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 02:26:20 PM

Quote from: fredm on May 07, 2013, 01:42:37 PM

I see the centre back at Basle who is 22 I think says he wants to play over here. He is big mates with Weimann who keeps telling him how good it is in England.

You mean Dragovic?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 07, 2013, 03:02:47 PM

He might be a good signing, but the biggest thing we need at CB in experience.  I know Lambert may not agree with that, so could go for him anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 07, 2013, 03:36:33 PM

Quote from: john e on May 07, 2013, 01:27:53 PM

I think he's a great manager, and deserves a crack with a bigger club with bigger funding

l

There are things to admire about him, sure but in no way is he a great manager and that's essentially why he hasn't had a crack at a bigger club yet despite what that old bollix Whelan reckons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 07, 2013, 03:40:23 PM

He must have done enough to merit a bigger job. Wouldn't be surprised if he was the next Everton manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2013, 03:41:51 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 07, 2013, 03:40:23 PM

He must have done enough to merit a bigger job. Wouldn't be surprised if he was the next Everton manager.

I hope so- if so i feel we will soon overtake them in the table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 03:48:16 PM

Pogbrevneyak from Reading would be my shout as back-up to Beteke assuming that Bent will be moving on

Would also take their keeper, McCarthy, as back-up to Guzan and get rid of Given and Marshall

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 03:56:19 PM

Pogrebnyak is on 60k p/w and has been largely shit. No thanks. McCarthy is too good to be a back-up GK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 03:56:34 PM

DP

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 07, 2013, 03:56:58 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 03:48:16 PM

Pogbrevneyak from Reading would be my shout as back-up to Beteke assuming that Bent will be moving on

Would also take their keeper, McCarthy, as back-up to Guzan and get rid of Given and Marshall

Both will be wanting more money as back ups that we'd want to pay I reckon.  Having players on PL wages not getting a kick is what got us into this mess in the first place, so if any signing is coming in as a back up, expect them to be from a lower league or abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 04:08:50 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 03:56:19 PM

Pogrebnyak is on 60k p/w and has been largely shit. No thanks. McCarthy is too good to be a back-up GK.

60k per week, at reading? How do you know that? At the end of last season, most of us would have been happy to see Pog Join us. I can't see any of the major clubs chasing him so think he might be a decent shout at 40k per week. If Benteke gets injured or suspended, we need someone capable of at least attempting to play the same role i.e. target man, holding the ball up and bringing others in to play. For me, he would be that man - but not on 60k per week if that is indeed correct.

McCarthy, agree he is very good but he has had half a season of top flight footy. Could he really ask for more that 20k per week?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 04:16:38 PM

It is widely reported that is what he is on there. Makes sense also. Why else would he chosen Reading over Fulham? With McCarthy I'm not saying wages are the issue. I just don't think he will be interested in becoming a number 2 anywhere and rightly so. Think we should just promote Siegrist next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 07, 2013, 04:21:05 PM

I reckon Jordan Rhodes might be a better bet for back up to Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 04:23:18 PM

Pogrebnyak who's done not very much this year? I don't think we should have players on £40K as back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2013, 04:26:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 04:23:18 PM

I don't think we should have players on £40K as back up.

For better or for worse, those days are well and truly over.

Lambert unearthed a gem in Benteke by doing what MON should have done every now and then, and having a look around Europe. It strikes me as a retrograde step to look at people like Pogrebnyak, who will almost certainly want big money, and really doesn't have much to show in terms of justifying it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 04:27:42 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2013, 04:26:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 04:23:18 PM

I don't think we should have players on £40K as back up.

For better or for worse, those days are well and truly over.

Lambert unearthed a gem in Benteke by doing what MON should have done every now and then, and having a look around Europe. It strikes me as a retrograde step to look at people like Pogrebnyak, who will almost certainly want big money, and really doesn't have much to show in terms of justifying it.

Precisely, he's the sort of player we should be avoiding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 04:28:16 PM

I wouldn't have thought Fulham would be huge payers either.

Jordan Rhodes - don't know enough about the type of player he is but has an impressive goal scoring record admittedly. Just thinking that Lambert will want a back-up striker to fit in woth our style of play rather than just an out and out scorer, otherwise he would stick with Bent

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 07, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Yeah, if we have learnt one thing it is that the days of us paying big money to players not contributing are over.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2013, 04:29:57 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 04:28:16 PM

I wouldn't have thought Fulham would be huge payers either.

Jordan Rhodes - don't know enough about the type of player he is but has an impressive goal scoring record admittedly. Just thinking that Lambert will want a back-up striker to fit in woth our style of play rather than just an out and out scorer, otherwise he would stick with Bent

Pogrebnyak is on about £60K a week on Reading apparently, their Russian owner wanted him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on May 07, 2013, 04:39:29 PM

Id like us to go in for Danny Rose, the kid looks dynamite every time I see him. Jordan Rhodes is also a good shout. Gary Gardner will be like a new signing next year....Id like us to go in for bassong if they go down as well, I know Gab skinned him at the weekend but he's been largely very good for them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2013, 04:48:25 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on May 07, 2013, 04:39:29 PM

Id like us to go in for Danny Rose, the kid looks dynamite every time I see him. Jordan Rhodes is also a good shout. Gary Gardner will be like a new signing next year....Id like us to go in for bassong if they go down as well, I know Gab skinned him at the weekend but he's been largely very good for them

Rose was far and away the best player on the pitch last night - i was hugely impressed with him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2013, 05:06:05 PM

Rose has been one of the blunderland bettwe players.  That said, I think Joe Bennett is slowly improving and worth sticking with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 07, 2013, 05:09:53 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 07, 2013, 04:28:16 PM

I wouldn't have thought Fulham would be huge payers either.

Signings like Berbatov, Ruiz, Rodallega, Petric, Risse, Emanuelson and co suggest otherwise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 07, 2013, 05:12:50 PM

Spuds want Rose back next season apparently. I think they are shipping off Assou-Ekkoto (sp?) and he seems a natural replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on May 07, 2013, 05:38:24 PM

If we're all talking about replacements for Bent I could see Lambert going back for Jelle Vossen, who he was scouting when he found Benteke originally. He's Benteke's old strike partner back at Genk, looks a prolific goalscorer in the Belgian league, played for Belgium a few times as well. Can't imagine him costing more than Benteke so would be an ideal replacement for Bent.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelle_Vossen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelle_Vossen)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 07, 2013, 05:51:24 PM

and Paul can ask CB if he want him to bring in JV to Villa Park as he know his game well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2013, 07:36:56 PM

As said on another thread, I really do not get the Rose love in on H&V. He is a decent player but no more, and defensively he is woeful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 07, 2013, 07:57:40 PM

One thing that Spurs seem to be doing well is loaning out players that are close to being ready and then bringing them into the squad the following season - Walker, Naughton and Rose looks like being the next. Andros Townsend will be much better off after his spell at QPR too. We've not had the benefit of doing the same but that's what we need to be looking to do with our players so that they are ready to take that next step.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

Providing we can get rid of the likes of Bent, Ireland and given (easier said than done of course) that will free up a shed load of wages and Dunne, who's on 50k a week, will probably also be released.

So while I don't want us to blow the wages bill up again to unsustainable levels, it would be good with the new tv deal to push the boat out a little bit more.

Some targets:

Diego (Wolfsburg)- Would be that midfield attacker we probably lack. Still only 27 despite being around forever and has played for Aletico Madrid, Porto, Weder Bremen and Porto in his career aswell as about 30 Brazil caps. Think he has 1 year left on his contract at Wolfsburg.

Dusan Basta (Udinese)- Saw this lad play for Serbia against Scotland and Udinese are my favourite Italian club, gets up and down the right wing no problem (Udinese play him as a wingback so could offer Lowton some support) Looks a bit like Dirk Kuyt.

Paul Scharner - Could be cheap back up for defensive midfield and central defence if Wigan go down.

Douglas (Twente)- Out of contract, previously linked to him, man mountain at the back.

Pilking......sorry got excited....Russell Martin (Norwich)....wouldn't surprise me if this is our first summer signing. Solid player who can play right back or central defence.

Figueroa (Wigan)...Not as good as a few years ago but probably be more solid than Bennett, on a free aswell. If money was no object, I'd seriously try to tempt City into a season long loan for Kolorav with them paying half his wages like they did with Adebayor.

Vydra (Watford)- Goals dried up but look electric earlier this season. He would be a replacement for Weimann but hope all is well in that respect and he signs a new deal.

Lukaku- Again only if Benteke leaves.

No idea for central midfield.

I feel Lambert's two summer signings which I'll judge him on will be the centre back and central midfielder he signs. If he can get both spot on and keep the strikeforce together, I feel we'll have a good season even if we have other weak areas in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 07, 2013, 08:42:36 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

I feel Lambert's two summer signings which I'll judge him on will be the centre back and central midfielder he signs. If he can get both spot on and keep the strikeforce together, I feel we'll have a good season even if we have other weak areas in the team.

When he signs those players none of us will have probably heard of them and will have to wait until we see them. So there could be a long wait before he could be judged on those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 07, 2013, 08:45:08 PM

Perhaps Lescott will be revisited? Although I feel he'll end up at Everton again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 07, 2013, 09:12:48 PM

If someone like Lescott doesn't happen, then Douglas would be an excellent overseas option for CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RossLeach on May 07, 2013, 10:41:35 PM

I feel that I can start reading this thread now without jinxing anything.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 07, 2013, 10:56:28 PM

Me too.

I'd never heard of any of our signings this season and it may well be the same this time. I'd say the priorities would be:

1. Dependable central defender, preferably premier league proven. Candidates: bassong, lescott but I can't see it, take a chance on skrtel, or someone from abroad I've never heard of.

2. More defensively reliable left back to comlete with bennett, or just a better left back to replace him: assou-ekotto, rose, or someone from abroad or div 1. Don't know who.

3. A central midfielder. I'd have said a defensive one and still might. But an option to play the more attacking of a three without leaving us as open as cnz does may be the higher priority now sylla and delph have stepped up.maybe the lad from Crewe.

4. A new version of benteke for when he leaves. Back up for next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 07, 2013, 11:39:36 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 07, 2013, 07:57:40 PM

One thing that Spurs seem to be doing well is loaning out players that are close to being ready and then bringing them into the squad the following season - Walker, Naughton and Rose looks like being the next. Andros Townsend will be much better off after his spell at QPR too. We've not had the benefit of doing the same but that's what we need to be looking to do with our players so that they are ready to take that next step.

They have had the luxury of loaning players out to Premier League clubs so that they can get a good idea of how they fare in the top flight.  Walker, Naughton, Caulker, Rose and Townsend have all had spells on loan at Premier League clubs which will have given Spurs a good idea about their suitability for the league.  Unfortunately, I can't see too many Premier League teams being interested in taking some of our younger players on loan.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2013, 11:56:18 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 07, 2013, 11:39:36 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 07, 2013, 07:57:40 PM

One thing that Spurs seem to be doing well is loaning out players that are close to being ready and then bringing them into the squad the following season - Walker, Naughton and Rose looks like being the next. Andros Townsend will be much better off after his spell at QPR too. We've not had the benefit of doing the same but that's what we need to be looking to do with our players so that they are ready to take that next step.

They have had the luxury of loaning players out to Premier League clubs so that they can get a good idea of how they fare in the top flight.  Walker, Naughton, Caulker, Rose and Townsend have all had spells on loan at Premier League clubs which will have given Spurs a good idea about their suitability for the league.  Unfortunately, I can't see too many Premier League teams being interested in taking some of our younger players on loan.   

It will be interesting who Whelan goes for to replace Roberto when he walks at the end of the season, as I think they are a good place to send a couple of our kids in the Championship, should they drop of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2013, 12:37:39 AM

If we could buy Rhodes and sell Bent at little or no loss, and likely save a lot on wages, I'd go for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 08, 2013, 01:08:13 AM

I don't think Rhodes would come to sit on our bench, in all honesty. 

There might be other topflight clubs who could offer him first team football, particularly the promoted sides. Or Wham, if they can't tie up a deal for Carroll.   Weimann and Gabby can both play up top as the focal point, should Big Ben be injured/ suspended.

  If we're just looking at a forward as backup, Troy Deeney at Watford offers a physical threat (and not just to students) and wouldn't cost the earth.  Would be a better option than Bowery, anyroad.

If Big Ben moves on that obviously changes things, and we'd need to be looking at a far better calibre of forward. 

As things stand, we're OK for forwards.  It's midfield and defence (in particular) that should be our main focus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2013, 01:30:45 AM

It would be a no from me for Deeney. I don't want someone who was sentenced for a year (or whatever it was) for kicking someone in the head representing Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 08, 2013, 01:35:19 AM

I think we need 5 forwards fighting it out for 3 positions. We have 3 nailed on, Bent will be sold I think and Bowery should go on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hillbilly on May 08, 2013, 04:09:38 AM

It would be good to have a hit rate like Celtic 15 or so years ago. Larsson, Moravcik, Balde, Mjallby, Valgaeren and er Lambert. All relatively unsung players who turned out to be pretty darned good, even allowing for the manager (who I think only signed Valgaeren of that lot). I wonder if it might have been formative for Lambert who can see that quality is out there if you know where to look for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2013, 06:48:04 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2013, 01:35:19 AM

I think we need 5 forwards fighting it out for 3 positions. We have 3 nailed on, Bent will be sold I think and Bowery should go on loan.

I agree, but I would include NZogbia in there. I think we need 2 options going forward. Someone with pace like Gabby, that we know will allow us to stretch the channels still, and someone with skill, tricks and vision like Coutinho, who when he plays I can see why we were interested in getting him on loan in January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 08, 2013, 08:02:39 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2013, 06:48:04 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2013, 01:35:19 AM

I think we need 5 forwards fighting it out for 3 positions. We have 3 nailed on, Bent will be sold I think and Bowery should go on loan.

I agree, but I would include NZogbia in there. I think we need 2 options going forward. Someone with pace like Gabby, that we know will allow us to stretch the channels still, and someone with skill, tricks and vision like Coutinho, who when he plays I can see why we were interested in getting him on loan in January.

' afraid that I'm once again going to say a big "no" to Charles. Too flaky and too little heart for it all.
Get rid and use the money more wisely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 08, 2013, 08:07:05 AM

I think we do need to make more of the loan system, in terms of sending our kids out. Every time I watch reserve football I'm reminded quite how far behind premier league standard it is. It's very poor.

I would be looking to send out the likes of Gardner, Carruthers and possibly even the younger players like Grealish and Robinson. And it may be worth giving Albrighton some games away from Villa to see if he can get some form back.

One of the reasons we can't do what Spurs do is that they clearly don't see mid and lower level top flight teams as rivals. Whereas we do.

Another is that I think they've had better youngsters. Like us, their better ones seem to be guys they've brought in (Lowton, Westwood, Delph even Weimann at a young age) rather than raised from scratch (Albrighton, Bannan, Herd, etc). Baker and Clark do however have some potential to step beyond that level. Gabby's the exception to the rule! And perhaps the three home growns I mentioned will step up if given more regular football lower down the leagues, because that's what makes or breaks players (hence my point about making better use of the loan system).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 08, 2013, 08:54:30 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 08, 2013, 08:07:05 AM

I think we do need to make more of the loan system, in terms of sending our kids out. Every time I watch reserve football I'm reminded quite how far behind premier league standard it is. It's very poor.

I would be looking to send out the likes of Gardner, Carruthers and possibly even the younger players like Grealish and Robinson. And it may be worth giving Albrighton some games away from Villa to see if he can get some form back.

One of the reasons we can't do what Spurs do is that they clearly don't see mid and lower level top flight teams as rivals. Whereas we do.

Another is that I think they've had better youngsters. Like us, their better ones seem to be guys they've brought in (Lowton, Westwood, Delph even Weimann at a young age) rather than raised from scratch (Albrighton, Bannan, Herd, etc). Baker and Clark do however have some potential to step beyond that level. Gabby's the exception to the rule! And perhaps the three home growns I mentioned will step up if given more regular football lower down the leagues, because that's what makes or breaks players (hence my point about making better use of the loan system).

Gardner will play a big part for us next season - i think we need to strengthen the defence and maybe add a midfielder and another striker should bent go - should be a much less stressful summer of business .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 08, 2013, 09:30:41 AM

If he can stay fit, that Ramis at Wigan might be worth buying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2013, 09:54:39 AM

Bakary Sako is mentioned in some papers today. Not really watched him cause he is a Doghead. Anybody got any opinions on him ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on May 08, 2013, 10:24:13 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2013, 01:30:45 AM

It would be a no from me for Deeney. I don't want someone who was sentenced for a year (or whatever it was) for kicking someone in the head representing Aston Villa.

Erm isn't he pretty much a Lulu? Well closely associated some of them anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 08, 2013, 10:35:08 AM

Quote from: eamonn on May 08, 2013, 12:37:39 AM

If we could buy Rhodes and sell Bent at little or no loss, and likely save a lot on wages, I'd go for it.

Rhodes offers even less in open play than Bent does.  He doesn't look up to Championship standard when it comes to holding the ball up and winning the ball in the air, but is a natural finisher.  If we are going to go for someone who can come in for CB when needed, then I think we need someone who can offer a little more to the team. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 10:40:04 AM

If Lambert is going to bring someone in to be understudy to Benteke, then the fee/wages of even a Jordan Rhodes is more than he'd pay for that.  Expect another Bowery like signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2013, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 10:40:04 AM

If Lambert is going to bring someone in to be understudy to Benteke, then the fee/wages of even a Jordan Rhodes is more than he'd pay for that.  Expect another Bowery like signing.

In fact, I'd say just expect a lot signings we don't know a whole lot about.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 10:40:04 AM

If Lambert is going to bring someone in to be understudy to Benteke, then the fee/wages of even a Jordan Rhodes is more than he'd pay for that.  Expect another Bowery like signing.

In fact, I'd say just expect a lot signings we don't know a whole lot about.

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2013, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

True. However, someone mentioned the old Brian Clough principle - that you should only sign players for whom your club is a step up. I like that a lot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:48:05 AM

Didn't MON say something similar, again quoting Cloughie?  Problem was that his signings turned out to be mainly sideways moves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2013, 11:49:07 AM

Yeah, MON didn't follow through on that enough. Plus he spent lots of money on rubbish in a way Lambert - hopefully - won't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 08, 2013, 11:49:45 AM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

True. However, someone mentioned the old Brian Clough principle - that you should only sign players for whom your club is a step up. I like that a lot.

Although he did sign Dave Mackay from Spurs when he was at Derby...
I like the principle too, but if the right oldie is available its worth looking at.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 08, 2013, 11:58:34 AM

I think Curtis Davies is quite capable of doing a job and will add to squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2013, 12:01:06 PM

I'm sure he can do a job. Not 'footballer', but some other job.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 08, 2013, 12:04:13 PM

Well i just read some news he could be an option. He scored against wigan once

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 08, 2013, 12:12:37 PM

I think that we have the Bent/Benteke replacement,  Weimann.He's a better central striker than wide man.Great self- confidence ,good striking ability and constantly makes intelligent runs.Very similar to Dean Saunders.
He lacks a bit in pace and dribbling skills and that's why I think we need another wide forward ,who could also replace Gabby if injured. Scott Sinclair would be ideal.
And a commanding central defender please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 08, 2013, 12:21:39 PM

Mcmannam would be a positive move. Swap him for holman when wigan fall

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 08, 2013, 12:50:25 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 08, 2013, 12:21:39 PM

Mcmannam would be a positive move. Swap him for holman when wigan fall

Holnman for Mcmanaman
Bannan for Maloney

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 12:52:38 PM

Maloney is 30 now, so they'd be looking for top money as would he.  Lambert will think he can someone just as good for half the price abroad.  And he'd be right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mal on May 08, 2013, 01:58:18 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 12:01:06 PM

I'm sure he can do a job. Not 'footballer', but some other job.

I couldn't agree more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on May 08, 2013, 02:08:56 PM

After watching last night's game, all I can say about Ashley Williams is ...... no thanks

His footballing ability makes James Collins look like Messi (... and that's the "real" Messi, not just the Scottish one)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 08, 2013, 02:19:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

True. However, someone mentioned the old Brian Clough principle - that you should only sign players for whom your club is a step up. I like that a lot.

What you have to remember is that coming to the Villa is a step up from ManC 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2013, 02:24:28 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 08, 2013, 02:08:56 PM

After watching last night's game, all I can say about Ashley Williams is ...... no thanks

His footballing ability makes James Collins look like Messi (... and that's the "real" Messi, not just the Scottish one)

I'm glad you've said that. I've not seen a great deal of him in fairness but last night he was bloody awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 08, 2013, 02:33:50 PM

Ashley W is good at leading the back line, but a bit like JT(wat) himself, ie reads the game well, but is not fast enough.  thats fine if you are alongside a well regimented back line, but we dont have that today.  I dont think he would be great for us.  I have been a strong supporter of Shawcross in the past, but over the last few months think that he is almost being "trained" the stoke way, ie follow set plays in all situations.  I dont think he can "think" for himself anymore, and it shows.  Promising player gone.  No thanks to Curtis Davies.  Not good enough for us in a hoof ball team, so certainly not good enough for a football team. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 08, 2013, 02:36:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 08, 2013, 11:58:34 AM

I think Curtis Davies is quite capable of doing a job and will add to squad.

This is a wind-up, right?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 08, 2013, 03:01:20 PM

He would add to the cleaning squad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 03:17:04 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 08, 2013, 02:19:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

True. However, someone mentioned the old Brian Clough principle - that you should only sign players for whom your club is a step up. I like that a lot.

What you have to remember is that coming to the Villa is a step up from ManC 8)

Indeed.  Just look at all that money they had to pay Barry and Milner to convince them to take the step down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 08, 2013, 04:14:35 PM

Éder Álvarez Balanta


sign this defender now !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 08, 2013, 06:14:23 PM

We've signed a highly rated Northern Irish striker from Cliftonville, Rory Hales he is around 16/17. Two year contract, the kid is overjoyed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 08, 2013, 06:38:01 PM

Whataboutya wee Rory!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 08, 2013, 06:47:01 PM

He looks abit like one of Mrs Browns boys.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 09, 2013, 03:30:50 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 03:17:04 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 08, 2013, 02:19:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 08, 2013, 11:45:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM

Nothing wrong with that in principle.  But if he could throw in the odd Lescott, we'd appreciate it ;)

True. However, someone mentioned the old Brian Clough principle - that you should only sign players for whom your club is a step up. I like that a lot.

What you have to remember is that coming to the Villa is a step up from ManC 8)

Indeed.  Just look at all that money they had to pay Barry and Milner to convince them to take the step down.

Anyway, Joleon grew up a Villan so that's just as good as moving up in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 09, 2013, 08:21:09 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on May 08, 2013, 12:12:37 PM

I think that we have the Bent/Benteke replacement,  Weimann.He's a better central striker than wide man.Great self- confidence ,good striking ability and constantly makes intelligent runs.Very similar to Dean Saunders.
He lacks a bit in pace and dribbling skills and that's why I think we need another wide forward ,who could also replace Gabby if injured. Scott Sinclair would be ideal.
And a commanding central defender please.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the problem is that he is already a 1st team regular and not a replacement for Bent.  We need depth and Bent hasn't been deph this year he has been MIA.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 09:30:41 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 09, 2013, 08:21:09 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on May 08, 2013, 12:12:37 PM

I think that we have the Bent/Benteke replacement,  Weimann.He's a better central striker than wide man.Great self- confidence ,good striking ability and constantly makes intelligent runs.Very similar to Dean Saunders.
He lacks a bit in pace and dribbling skills and that's why I think we need another wide forward ,who could also replace Gabby if injured. Scott Sinclair would be ideal.
And a commanding central defender please.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but the problem is that he is already a 1st team regular and not a replacement for Bent.  We need depth and Bent hasn't been deph this year he has been MIA.

I think a young player, with similar attributes to Benteke might be useful, although in the front 3 I would expect Gabby would go into the Benteke role were he injured at the moment. Don't rule out Bowery doing a job there either, as mad as it may sound he has done ok in his appearances, and may well be seen as the Benteke backup over short periods. If we sign forwards, I think pace and guile are more likely as they would add what we lack. Brawn and muscle we do have.

Interesting that Nursey thinks Lambert will have some money this summer. He has been right on quite a few things with Villa and seems to have a decent relationship, so lets hope he is right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2013, 10:52:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 09:30:41 AM

Interesting that Nursey thinks Lambert will have some money this summer. He has been right on quite a few things with Villa and seems to have a decent relationship, so lets hope he is right.

There are a few things that point to this being the case:-
1.  Rumours that he didn't spend all he had in Jan or last summer.
2.  The new TV deal.
3.  Dunne and a few other high earners likely to be off the wage bill.  Possibly even some decent incoming fees for some of them (mainly Bent).
4.  He's shown he can get value for money, meaning Randy is more likely to trust him with more.

I think it'll be a busy summer!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 10:59:23 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 09, 2013, 10:52:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 09:30:41 AM

Interesting that Nursey thinks Lambert will have some money this summer. He has been right on quite a few things with Villa and seems to have a decent relationship, so lets hope he is right.

There are a few things that point to this being the case:-
1.  Rumours that he didn't spend all he had in Jan or last summer.
2.  The new TV deal.
3.  Dunne and a few other high earners likely to be off the wage bill.  Possibly even some decent incoming fees for some of them (mainly Bent).
4.  He's shown he can get value for money, meaning Randy is more likely to trust him with more.

I think it'll be a busy summer!

I hope so. As said on the Lambert thread, it will be interesting to see how many go.

Petrov and Dunne are gone - so around 100k a week already saved.
Bent, Ireland and Given go too that would be a further 150k. All maybe 10 million into the coffers.

Hutton? How are Mallorca getting on with the Scottish Cafu? Will they take him full time?

Makoun is signing for Rennes isn't he? It is undisclosed, but must be around a million or so?

Those 2 could well be another 70 ish a week. Bringing us somewhere between 3 and 350k a week saved on wages.

Contract renewals and pay increases I would bet will add 100k or close to it to the bill, Benteke, Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann, maybe Delph will all be looking at new deals.

Then there is the issue of Holman, Bannan, Albrighton and NZogbia and if we decide to cash in.

Busy, it could be a very fast revolving door!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 09, 2013, 11:25:55 AM

I have a sneaky feeling he'll offer Dunne a new deal, on vastly reduced terms you'd imagine. Whenever his name comes-up at press conferences Lambert always speaks glowingly of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2013, 11:31:53 AM

I would advise caution regarding the "very fast revolving door" comment. By August 31st there could be a fair turnover of players but we've seen how slow summers are. Transfer dealings are so complicated these days that on the surface nothing appears to be happening for ages and then suddenly word of an impending transfer comes to the fore. Some of our big earners like N'Zogbia and Given might not be easy to offload either - and that's assuming that they're not in Lambert's plans.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2013, 11:37:27 AM

Quote from: eamonn on May 09, 2013, 11:25:55 AM

I have a sneaky feeling he'll offer Dunne a new deal, on vastly reduced terms you'd imagine. Whenever his name comes-up at press conferences Lambert always speaks glowingly of him.

All depends on his fitness.  If he can/will play, then I've heard worse ideas if he accepts those vastly reduced terms.  I'd say that would need to be in addition to a new starting CB, such as Lescott, and he'd be the experienced cover.

However, I can see some promoted club wanting him for PL expereince and offerring him more than we would, so he'll probably end up going anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 09, 2013, 11:38:39 AM

I worry most about offloading Ireland. I do think Given will have takers. He's a good bloke, sensible and will realise he'll have to drop wages again to play regularly at this level. He's still more than good enough at this level for someone. There's a few clubs in the top flight in need of a better keeper, and 3 clubs coming up who might fancy the quality and experience of someone like Shay.
If he stays, we have an excellent back up for Brad.
Zogbia is a player I'm easy either way with. If we cash in, as he's one of the few players who might get a reasonable fee we have I'd take the first decent offer. If he's still here by September, so be it. He's a decent player who can still offer something to us. That said, he may well prefer a move back to France where his talents will be better used, and his weaknesses less problematic.
I don't think Dunne will get new deal. It would be crazy. He'll never play because he's not fit enough. Even on a pay cut, he'd be on too much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2013, 11:41:28 AM

I can see Given and Ireland both going on season long loans somewhere, with us still paying a chunk of their wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 09, 2013, 11:51:55 AM

How long does Ireland have left on his contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 09, 2013, 11:55:08 AM

One more season to put up with that waster.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM

I don't want to appear heartless but with Stans news that's another 50k a week off the wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 12:23:54 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM

I don't want to appear heartless but with Stans news that's another 50k a week off the wage bill.

Don't put it like that then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 09, 2013, 12:28:25 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 08, 2013, 04:14:35 PM

Éder Álvarez Balanta


sign this defender now !!

You heard the bloke banging on about him on talksport too then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 09, 2013, 12:43:25 PM

He's uncapped according to Wiki. So unless he's got an EU passport, we wouldn't be able to sign him as we wouldn't be able to get a work permit for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on May 09, 2013, 12:52:00 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 09, 2013, 12:43:25 PM

He's uncapped according to Wiki. So unless he's got an EU passport, we wouldn't be able to sign him as we wouldn't be able to get a work permit for him.

We could always claim an exceptional need. Shouldn't be too difficult!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:11:17 PM

Ozzjim. How should i have put it more diplomatically?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2013, 02:18:48 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 09, 2013, 11:55:08 AM

One more season to put up with that waster.

I hope we can agree some sort of deal to pay him off and get him out of the club.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on May 09, 2013, 02:23:04 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM

I don't want to appear heartless but with Stans news that's another 50k a week off the wage bill.

Man, I bet you voted for Thatcher.

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:35:52 PM

Wasn't old enough Stu..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 09, 2013, 02:53:02 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:11:17 PM

Ozzjim. How should i have put it more diplomatically?

In the circumstances, it did'nt need to be said at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on May 09, 2013, 03:03:45 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:35:52 PM

Wasn't old enough Stu..

I'm messing, mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 09, 2013, 03:06:35 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:11:17 PM

Ozzjim. How should i have put it more diplomatically?

Maybe in this instance discretion is the better part of... putting it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 09, 2013, 03:47:32 PM

Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner is set to fly into Birmingham next week to hand boss Paul Lambert a summer transfer kitty.

Villa’s America-based chairman has been delighted with the club’s recent resurgence under Lambert, winning five of their last eight games to haul ­themselves clear of the relegation zone.

Scot Lambert spent £23million last summer on Christian Benteke, Ashley ­Westwood, Matt Lowton, Ron Vlaar, Jordan Bowery, Karim El Ahmadi and Joe Bennett.

Now, Lambert will get fresh funds, with new contracts for Benteke, Brad Guzan and Andreas Weimann also a priority.

Lambert is busy scouting possible targets in Holland and Belgium following the success of Benteke’s arrival from Genk in the latter.

The club’s financial situation will be eased by the lucrative contracts of Richard Dunne and Stiliyan Petrov expiring, saving them over £100,000 a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2013, 06:45:11 PM

No way should we offer Dunne anything other than the way to the door. I think we'll see a big turnover of players this summer. Lambert has had a year to have a look at things and will now have a perfect picture of who to move on and who to keep.

In my opinion, out will be:
Bent, Ireland, Given, Dunne, Bannan, Holman, Delfouneso, Hutton, Makoun, Marshall, Petrov (sadly) and possibly the likes of Lichaj, Stephens, Albrighton etc.

That would free up something in the region of £400k p/w and bring in circa £17m - £20m too. Sounds easy, I know but that's something like what needs to happen.

As for who comes in, well I haven't the foggiest. I reckon we might go for Weimanns mate Dragovic. He fits the profile of the type of player I reckon we're looking at. We're clearly after a skillful playmaker. Who this will be is anybody's guess but probably a virtual unknown who turns out to be ace. Apart from that, replacements for those outgoing who will actually figure more, a senior left back, another senior centre half maybe.

A few will go out on loan, like Bowery. Also a few wil be promoted from the academy, or will figure more. Like Carruthers, Johnson, Drennan, Burke and Williams. Maybe on short loans too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 09, 2013, 06:47:54 PM

I'd be very unhappy if we even considered renewing Dunne's contract. Overpayed, overweight and underplayed.

Exactly the sort of player we don't need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2013, 07:36:12 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 09, 2013, 02:53:02 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 02:11:17 PM

Ozzjim. How should i have put it more diplomatically?

In the circumstances, it did'nt need to be said at all.

Exactly. I put his name in those coming off the wage bill generally with others, but a single post pointing out his saved wages for going just does not need to be said surely Hoppo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2013, 07:37:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 09, 2013, 03:47:32 PM

Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner is set to fly into Birmingham next week to hand boss Paul Lambert a summer transfer kitty.

Villa’s America-based chairman has been delighted with the club’s recent resurgence under Lambert, winning five of their last eight games to haul ­themselves clear of the relegation zone.

Scot Lambert spent £23million last summer on Christian Benteke, Ashley ­Westwood, Matt Lowton, Ron Vlaar, Jordan Bowery, Karim El Ahmadi and Joe Bennett.

Now, Lambert will get fresh funds, with new contracts for Benteke, Brad Guzan and Andreas Weimann also a priority.

Lambert is busy scouting possible targets in Holland and Belgium following the success of Benteke’s arrival from Genk in the latter.

The club’s financial situation will be eased by the lucrative contracts of Richard Dunne and Stiliyan Petrov expiring, saving them over £100,000 a week.

Who is Scot Lambert? No wonder our wage bill is high if we're paying for 2 managers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2013, 07:40:53 PM

I reckon there's more chance of me getting offered a contract than Dunne.

After a whole season out, he's probably about 30 stone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2013, 07:41:58 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2013, 07:40:53 PM

I reckon there's more chance of me getting offered a contract than Dunne.

After a whole season out, he's probably on 30 scones an hour.

Corrected.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2013, 07:47:43 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM

I don't want to appear heartless but with Stans news that's another 50k a week off the wage bill.

What a totally inappropriate, insensitive comment to make.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 09, 2013, 07:52:23 PM

can we release Stephen Ireland on free transfer if we don't want to keep paying his wages without pay off to some MLS or whatever team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 08:11:15 PM

Its ok Mr Legion ive been told off don't need H@ V Bully Boys getting involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2013, 08:13:51 PM

It's not being a bully-boy thank you very much. It's my own personal opinion on your tasteless post.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2013, 08:30:54 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 09, 2013, 07:52:23 PM

can we release Stephen Ireland on free transfer if we don't want to keep paying his wages without pay off to some MLS or whatever team.

No. Obviously not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 09, 2013, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 09, 2013, 07:52:23 PM

can we release Stephen Ireland on free transfer if we don't want to keep paying his wages without pay off to some MLS or whatever team.

We have to pay him off or pay him until his contract ends -cannot just release him and rip up the contract - otherwise what would be the point of having contracts if you could rip them up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2013, 08:43:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2013, 06:45:11 PM

No way should we offer Dunne anything other than the way to the door. I think we'll see a big turnover of players this summer. Lambert has had a year to have a look at things and will now have a perfect picture of who to move on and who to keep.

In my opinion, out will be:
Bent, Ireland, Given, Dunne, Bannan, Holman, Delfouneso, Hutton, Makoun, Marshall, Petrov (sadly) and possibly the likes of Lichaj, Stephens, Albrighton etc.

That would free up something in the region of £400k p/w and bring in circa £17m - £20m too. Sounds easy, I know but that's something like what needs to happen.

As for who comes in, well I haven't the foggiest. I reckon we might go for Weimanns mate Dragovic. He fits the profile of the type of player I reckon we're looking at. We're clearly after a skillful playmaker. Who this will be is anybody's guess but probably a virtual unknown who turns out to be ace. Apart from that, replacements for those outgoing who will actually figure more, a senior left back, another senior centre half maybe.

A few will go out on loan, like Bowery. Also a few wil be promoted from the academy, or will figure more. Like Carruthers, Johnson, Drennan, Burke and Williams. Maybe on short loans too.

The only way it'll free up wages is if some other mug team is dumb enough to pay the likes of Ireland and Given what they're currently earning, or very close to.  If we cancel their contracts we'll have to pay them off so it'll free up nowt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 09, 2013, 08:53:51 PM

Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2013, 08:43:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2013, 06:45:11 PM

No way should we offer Dunne anything other than the way to the door. I think we'll see a big turnover of players this summer. Lambert has had a year to have a look at things and will now have a perfect picture of who to move on and who to keep.

In my opinion, out will be:
Bent, Ireland, Given, Dunne, Bannan, Holman, Delfouneso, Hutton, Makoun, Marshall, Petrov (sadly) and possibly the likes of Lichaj, Stephens, Albrighton etc.

That would free up something in the region of £400k p/w and bring in circa £17m - £20m too. Sounds easy, I know but that's something like what needs to happen.

As for who comes in, well I haven't the foggiest. I reckon we might go for Weimanns mate Dragovic. He fits the profile of the type of player I reckon we're looking at. We're clearly after a skillful playmaker. Who this will be is anybody's guess but probably a virtual unknown who turns out to be ace. Apart from that, replacements for those outgoing who will actually figure more, a senior left back, another senior centre half maybe.

A few will go out on loan, like Bowery. Also a few wil be promoted from the academy, or will figure more. Like Carruthers, Johnson, Drennan, Burke and Williams. Maybe on short loans too.

The only way it'll free up wages is if some other mug team is dumb enough to pay the likes of Ireland and Given what they're currently earning, or very close to.  If we cancel their contracts we'll have to pay them off so it'll free up nowt.

It's difficult to see what team might be crazy enough to take Ireland off our hands.  I did read one opinion that Given should swap the Villa Park bench for the Old Trafford one!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Ireland must be kicking himself that he did not wait for QPR to come knocking. Mercenary idle wasters on tens of thousands a week - his ideal set-up.

On the subject, do we know what was the final straw that made Lambert boot Mr Hookah Pipe into the long grass?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2013, 09:17:39 PM

There are teams that will take those players.
I think the likes of Bent and Given will leave for professional reasons and there will be takers for them even on their Villa wages. Certainly Bent. Dunne is off anyway. The only real problem is Ireland and we only have him for one season more so we can speculate.
So I reckon we'll free up lots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 09, 2013, 09:18:18 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Ireland must be kicking himself that he did not wait for QPR to come knocking. Mercenary idle wasters on tens of thousands a week - his ideal set-up.

On the subject, do we know what was the final straw that made Lambert boot Mr Hookah Pipe into the long grass?

He's crap?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2013, 09:21:45 PM

He's not crap. Not at all. He's just not interested in producing what he is capable of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:25:04 PM

Just checked and he was dropped after the 15-0 Christmas then Bradford. Good choice of scapegoat to help the mental state of the keen, young, reasonably paid players. http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=41708

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2013, 09:27:00 PM

Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2013, 09:21:45 PM

He's not crap. Not at all. He's just not interested in producing what he is capable of.

Yep very talented player, just no application.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2013, 09:34:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Ireland must be kicking himself that he did not wait for QPR to come knocking. Mercenary idle wasters on tens of thousands a week - his ideal set-up.

On the subject, do we know what was the final straw that made Lambert boot Mr Hookah Pipe into the long grass?

I dunno but I saw Ireland on the pitch v Wigan, had to look hard mind and couldn't suggest he actually played that day. What a twunt!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2013, 09:38:57 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2013, 09:27:00 PM

Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2013, 09:21:45 PM

He's not crap. Not at all. He's just not interested in producing what he is capable of.

Yep very talented player, just no application.

I debate how talented he really is, he's had half a season in 8 years of looking like a quality player.  The rest of his career he's been very average, as well as being a lazy twunt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 09, 2013, 09:48:57 PM

All the ability, none of the application. As one of the Man City coaches once said of him - in terms of natural ability he was their best player, but in terms of training application and mentality, one of their worst.

I can see him ending up at QPR on loan next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:49:58 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2013, 09:34:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Ireland must be kicking himself that he did not wait for QPR to come knocking. Mercenary idle wasters on tens of thousands a week - his ideal set-up.

On the subject, do we know what was the final straw that made Lambert boot Mr Hookah Pipe into the long grass?

I dunno but I saw Ireland on the pitch v Wigan, had to look hard mind and couldn't suggest he actually played that day. What a twunt!

Yes, that was the last time I saw him play 'live' and he convincingly conveyed '0-3, don't care, hate all of you'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2013, 10:03:28 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 09, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Ireland must be kicking himself that he did not wait for QPR to come knocking. Mercenary idle wasters on tens of thousands a week - his ideal set-up.

On the subject, do we know what was the final straw that made Lambert boot Mr Hookah Pipe into the long grass?

I thought his disgrace of a performance against Wigan (I was a fan until then) but he popped up randomly a month later at home to Bradford and was equally as dire.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2013, 10:45:20 PM

Quote from: Matt C on May 09, 2013, 09:48:57 PM

All the ability, none of the application. As one of the Man City coaches once said of him - in terms of natural ability he was their best player, but in terms of training application and mentality, one of their worst.

I can see him ending up at QPR on loan next season.

You would think they would have learnt their lesson. They're in enough of a mess already with how they've been running.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 09, 2013, 10:48:27 PM

He's a player you have to accommodate and unless you're a very good side he's a liability unfortunately. It's a shame because it's rare we have a midfielder who has the ability to play that role between the lines so well.

I can't equate the Stephen Ireland who went to court to get custody of his kids and is often hands-on at representing the club at Acorns/Community initiatives and the one who even Paul Lambert can't motivate. Sad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2013, 10:59:39 PM

Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2013, 08:43:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2013, 06:45:11 PM

No way should we offer Dunne anything other than the way to the door. I think we'll see a big turnover of players this summer. Lambert has had a year to have a look at things and will now have a perfect picture of who to move on and who to keep.

In my opinion, out will be:
Bent, Ireland, Given, Dunne, Bannan, Holman, Delfouneso, Hutton, Makoun, Marshall, Petrov (sadly) and possibly the likes of Lichaj, Stephens, Albrighton etc.

That would free up something in the region of £400k p/w and bring in circa £17m - £20m too. Sounds easy, I know but that's something like what needs to happen.

As for who comes in, well I haven't the foggiest. I reckon we might go for Weimanns mate Dragovic. He fits the profile of the type of player I reckon we're looking at. We're clearly after a skillful playmaker. Who this will be is anybody's guess but probably a virtual unknown who turns out to be ace. Apart from that, replacements for those outgoing who will actually figure more, a senior left back, another senior centre half maybe.

A few will go out on loan, like Bowery. Also a few wil be promoted from the academy, or will figure more. Like Carruthers, Johnson, Drennan, Burke and Williams. Maybe on short loans too.

The only way it'll free up wages is if some other mug team is dumb enough to pay the likes of Ireland and Given what they're currently earning, or very close to.  If we cancel their contracts we'll have to pay them off so it'll free up nowt.

Not necessarily, it also depends on the length of contract they're offered elsewhere.

The other thing to remember is that whilst we supporters can look at these things and reflect that no club would be nuts enough to take on certain players, there is always a decent supply of people who run football clubs who really are significantly more nuts than we are.

I bet we get takers for Given and Bent, quite easily. Ireland might be trickier, but someone will take him. i wouldn't be at all surprised if he fucked off to the MLS or some other "last chance to coin it in" graveyard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2013, 11:03:57 PM

Bent probably, Given - I'm not so sure.

He has a good contract here until he's 40. I can't think of any club that desperate for a fairly good goalkeeper that they are going to improve that contract.

I still can't work out why we gave him that contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2013, 11:11:10 PM

Partly to offset his wage decrease from leaving Man. City and also I think so we wouldn't have to offer him as we had to do with Friedel (as I think we all assumed he'd just retire when his 3 year deal finished).

I think we may have to loan out Given for a season tbh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:18:44 PM

I saw a piece about Reo Coker over in the MLS. He is on 130k a year! They gave the obvious comparison of him being on 130k a month with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on May 09, 2013, 11:22:15 PM

If I was Di Canio, and assuming Sunderland stay up, I'd be more than willing to pay a couple of million for Given. I thought their keeper was bloody shocking the other night.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2013, 11:23:03 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2013, 11:11:10 PM

Partly to offset his wage decrease from leaving Man. City and also I think so we wouldn't have to offer him as we had to do with Friedel (as I think we all assumed he'd just retire when his 3 year deal finished).

I understand why we had to if we wanted him to leave Man City for us.

I don't understand why we did it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 10, 2013, 12:11:55 AM

Of the three that signed two years ago I would have thought Hutton would have been the hardest to move on. I don't know whether Mallorca have made decision yet but at least we got a serious nibble. If we could shift him we could probably shift anyone bar Ireland.

Is it true Ireland was not at the end of season dinner?

Maybe if he woke up and found the cylinder head of a Range Rover on his pillow he would be better disposed towards moving on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 12:40:09 AM

Heheheh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 12:47:39 AM

Apparently, "Rooney could be persuaded to stay".
So Moyes first job is to source a vein of 70year old shell suited grannies and the 200 Sovereign each claim as payment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 10, 2013, 05:58:29 AM

Quote from: OCD on May 09, 2013, 10:45:20 PM

Quote from: Matt C on May 09, 2013, 09:48:57 PM

All the ability, none of the application. As one of the Man City coaches once said of him - in terms of natural ability he was their best player, but in terms of training application and mentality, one of their worst.

I can see him ending up at QPR on loan next season.

You would think they would have learnt their lesson. They're in enough of a mess already with how they've been running.

Now they've got a really responsible manager in charge at least. Oh, wait..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2013, 07:11:16 AM

I am hoping Hughes gets Everton! Then Ireland might be off!

I can see Given and Ireland going to the MLS, and the former possibly Celtic - their keeper will be a target for Prem clubs soon enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on May 10, 2013, 07:13:43 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2013, 09:27:00 PM

Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2013, 09:21:45 PM

He's not crap. Not at all. He's just not interested in producing what he is capable of.

Yep very talented player, just no application.

A few months of good form in a poor Man Citeh side years ago - and that's it.  Sorry fellas but would you say J Lloyd Samuel is a very talented player, had the same purple patch at about the same time and has also done fuck all since also with a shit attitude thrown in.  They are no better thanone another imo.

Most overrated player we've ever had imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 10, 2013, 07:17:12 AM

They won't pay anywhere near as much as we do but we might be able to shift Ireland on to Celtic if we pay some of his wages. You never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM

Ireland would thrive in Italy. Slow, ponderous football where teams have plenty of time on the ball. Plus his cars are only made down the road. USA would seem another likely destination but we'll see where the mini tennis watcher rocks up. He'll want him.

Given will take a pay cut to play I think. He's a model pro and a few grand wont matter much to him vs spending his twilight career on the bench. And he still has a good reputation so there will be takers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 09:13:58 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM

Ireland would thrive in Italy. Slow, ponderous football where teams have plenty of time on the ball. Plus his cars are only made down the road. USA would seem another likely destination but we'll see where the mini tennis watcher rocks up. He'll want him.

Given will take a pay cut to play I think. He's a model pro and a few grand wont matter much to him vs spending his twilight career on the bench. And he still has a good reputation so there will be takers.

From the four players we're bound to get rid of (Hutton, Ireland, Bent and Given), Given will probably easiest to get rid of and would probably take biggest pay cut. When I've seen him interviewed he's always come out as utter professional.

I saw him in Goals on Sunday in the fall and he said that Lambert had talked with all the keepers several times and talked things through with them which he seemed to really appreciate - in contrast of what Mancini who just dropped him without talking with him at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on May 10, 2013, 09:16:55 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM

Given will take a pay cut to play I think. He's a model pro and a few grand wont matter much to him vs spending his twilight career on the bench. And he still has a good reputation so there will be takers.

Completely agree, Maz. I suspect that once a player reaches the final couple of years, the lure of game time outweighs money (unless they have spunked their career earnings away). It must be a hard reality to face, that time has moved on and your playing days are nearing the end. If I were a pro I'd just keep dropping down the divisions until my body gave up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 10, 2013, 09:24:51 AM

According to today's Sun paper we have made a £4m bid for Peterborough's Dwight Gayle.

I don't know anything about the lad but I do remember the last time we signed someone called Dwight and he turned out to be all right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2013, 09:32:38 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 09:13:58 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM

Given will take a pay cut to play I think. He's a model pro and a few grand wont matter much to him vs spending his twilight career on the bench. And he still has a good reputation so there will be takers.

From the four players we're bound to get rid of (Hutton, Ireland, Bent and Given), Given will probably easiest to get rid of and would probably take biggest pay cut. When I've seen him interviewed he's always come out as utter professional.

I saw him in Goals on Sunday in the fall and he said that Lambert had talked with all the keepers several times and talked things through with them which he seemed to really appreciate - in contrast of what Mancini who just dropped him without talking with him at all.

I don't know what the coaching set up is like at the moment, but maybe a reduced wage offer to Given with the prospect of being involved with goalkeeping coaching at the club might tempt him.  Like others have said, he comes across as being a top pro though and watching him in goal during the warm ups, his reflexes still look sharp.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on May 10, 2013, 09:38:58 AM

Quote from: manic-road on May 10, 2013, 09:24:51 AM

According to today's Sun paper we have made a £4m bid for Peterborough's Dwight Gayle.

I don't know anything about the lad but I do remember the last time we signed someone called Dwight and he turned out to be all right.

I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

Every time I hear of a Peterborough player being linked with a big money move I just think of Barry Fry and Jonathan Hunt apparently being worth £25 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2013, 09:53:34 AM

Door is not closed for Richard Dunne?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-richard-dunnes-claret-3569264?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 10, 2013, 09:54:23 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 10, 2013, 09:32:38 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 09:13:58 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM

Given will take a pay cut to play I think. He's a model pro and a few grand wont matter much to him vs spending his twilight career on the bench. And he still has a good reputation so there will be takers.

From the four players we're bound to get rid of (Hutton, Ireland, Bent and Given), Given will probably easiest to get rid of and would probably take biggest pay cut. When I've seen him interviewed he's always come out as utter professional.

I saw him in Goals on Sunday in the fall and he said that Lambert had talked with all the keepers several times and talked things through with them which he seemed to really appreciate - in contrast of what Mancini who just dropped him without talking with him at all.

I don't know what the coaching set up is like at the moment, but maybe a reduced wage offer to Given with the prospect of being involved with goalkeeping coaching at the club might tempt him.  Like others have said, he comes across as being a top pro though and watching him in goal during the warm ups, his reflexes still look sharp.

Given was a fantastic keeper - unfortunately his best days are quite a while ago. (Pre 2008) But yes model pro - just like Friedal. Wish there were more like them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2013, 10:17:16 AM

Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2013, 09:53:34 AM

Door is not closed for Richard Dunne?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-richard-dunnes-claret-3569264?

Asked about the prospect of Dunne being offered a new contract, Lambert replied: “I haven’t spoken to him at all about that."

Out of contract in 7 weeks and nothing even discussed yet?  I wouldn't worry too much over that one!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 10:25:13 AM

Indeed. He couldn't be more of a goner if his name was Sir Richard Gonnington- Departier and made minister for doing one in an outgoing cabinet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 10, 2013, 10:33:08 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 10, 2013, 10:17:16 AM

Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2013, 09:53:34 AM

Door is not closed for Richard Dunne?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-richard-dunnes-claret-3569264?

Asked about the prospect of Dunne being offered a new contract, Lambert replied: “I haven’t spoken to him at all about that."

Out of contract in 7 weeks and nothing even discussed yet?  I wouldn't worry too much over that one!

I posted a different article in the Richard Dunne thread, he goes on to say

"The most important thing for me is that he can continue playing. He is an international player and this injury has been an absolute nightmare for us and him. Once I know we are all right in the league I can address this situation.
“The most important thing at the moment is for us to get over the line. But the door is certainly not closed in regard to Richard Dunne.”

I think this would be a bit of a no-brainer for us. We will be in a position of strength to offer a short term pay as you play deal for the year so that he can prove he can still play. If he really is crocked, not much of a loss. Otherwise, we have an experienced centre-half, the type we have been missing all year.

A lot of people on here have a bee in their bonnet about Dunne, which stems back to the summer we signed him. I remember this forum going into meltdown when it was suggested. He went on to be named in the PFA team of the year, was one of the main reasons a poor Ireland team got to the Euros and has generally been quite a good player for us when fit. He has struggled with fitness throughout his career, but this year might have given him the frighteners that his career could be over and give him the extra impetus to improve his fitness.

I'd like to think we could be in the market for someone like Lescott, who is a good bit younger, but I think that could be a bridge too far. As far as I can see we need 2 more experienced centre halves, so if Dunne can make a comeback, that means we can put those resources into getting one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2013, 10:42:22 AM

He then went on to prove himself to be a calamity magnet, and came back after training every summer distinctly overweight.

We're going to be in a situation where we need a new centre half this summer, I don't see having had a couple of decent seasons several years ago as a good enough reason to spend that money on a 34 year old who hasn't kicked a ball in anger for more than a year.

It just doesn't tally remotely with what we're trying to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 10:43:06 AM

We should get rid of Dunne, he haven't played almost for a year and given his age and the injury problems he's had this season what do you think his fitness and especially game sharpness would be?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 10, 2013, 10:45:21 AM

I admit, I think it is unlikely he is going to come back to play at the level required. I do think it is worth a punt though. Lambert also seems to, judging from his quotes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2013, 10:54:46 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on May 10, 2013, 10:45:21 AM

I admit, I think it is unlikely he is going to come back to play at the level required.

Then why bother even taking the risk.

Because if we do, and he proves to be a waste of time, that's more money down the toilet.

Lambert won't give him another deal, I'd ignore those quotes, he's hardly going to say "nope, we're letting him go" to the press at this point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2013, 10:59:50 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2013, 10:42:22 AM

He then went on to prove himself to be a calamity magnet, and came back after training every summer distinctly overweight.

We're going to be in a situation where we need a new centre half this summer, I don't see having had a couple of decent seasons several years ago as a good enough reason to spend that money on a 34 year old who hasn't kicked a ball in anger for more than a year.

It just doesn't tally remotely with what we're trying to do.

His interest seemed to wane when O'Neill walked out and since then his performance level has been very erratic.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on May 10, 2013, 11:05:56 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 10, 2013, 10:59:50 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2013, 10:42:22 AM

He then went on to prove himself to be a calamity magnet, and came back after training every summer distinctly overweight.

We're going to be in a situation where we need a new centre half this summer, I don't see having had a couple of decent seasons several years ago as a good enough reason to spend that money on a 34 year old who hasn't kicked a ball in anger for more than a year.

It just doesn't tally remotely with what we're trying to do.

His interest seemed to wane when O'Neill walked out and since then his performance level has been very erratic.   

Maybe he'd be another in that category of seeing his best days behind him and his retirement looming and think it is time for one last Indian Summer. Under the right management, he would have something to offer. I'm not suggesting we give him another 4 year, £50k p/w contract. But a one-year deal with payment by performance would be a limited risk to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

I just don't see the point at all. Let him go and get a long term solution in.
We know Lambert was interested in Lescott. That's what we need. Lescott and say, Dragovic or Kjaer, plus another left back and the defence is sorted.
It's time Joleon stopped fucking about and came home.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2013, 11:21:39 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on May 10, 2013, 10:33:08 AM

A lot of people on here have a bee in their bonnet about Dunne, which stems back to the summer we signed him. I remember this forum going into meltdown when it was suggested. He went on to be named in the PFA team of the year, was one of the main reasons a poor Ireland team got to the Euros and has generally been quite a good player for us when fit. He has struggled with fitness throughout his career, but this year might have given him the frighteners that his career could be over and give him the extra impetus to improve his fitness.

I think he was a good signing at the time and did well for us initially.  That's not in dispute as far as I'm concerned.  What is is whether he's worth persisting with past this summer.  To me, that's a bif fat 'no'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

I just don't see the point at all. Let him go and get a long term solution in.
We know Lambert was interested in Lescott. That's what we need. Lescott and say, Dragovic or Kjaer, plus another left back and the defence is sorted.
It's time Joleon stopped fucking about and came home.

That'd be great, Lescott and Vlaar as regular starters, Dragovic could be backup/rotating for them if either gets injured and have Baker + Clark as understudies. Vlaar imo deserves to keep his place, he has brought a lot of stability and calmness into the game and has the real air of captaincy around him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:37:22 AM

Dragovic would most likely start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on May 10, 2013, 11:49:50 AM

A CB pairing of Vlaar & Dragovic sounds like a pair of Vampires. The old fashioned scary horror types not the new hollywood pussy hole emo types.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2013, 11:56:41 AM

I can't see us running with 5 CBs.  I think it'll be a new regular and experienced partner for Vlaar, Lescott being my choice, and then Baker and Clark as the cover.  Given that three of them can also cover LB, that would give us some protection for Bennett not progressing as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 10, 2013, 11:57:49 AM

We only need to buy one centre half. Baker is getting better every game. Vlaar is a Lambert signing and captain. Tonne new deal no chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 10, 2013, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

I just don't see the point at all. Let him go and get a long term solution in.
We know Lambert was interested in Lescott. That's what we need. Lescott and say, Dragovic or Kjaer, plus another left back and the defence is sorted.
It's time Joleon stopped fucking about and came home.

That'd be great, Lescott and Vlaar as regular starters, Dragovic could be backup/rotating for them if either gets injured and have Baker + Clark as understudies. Vlaar imo deserves to keep his place, he has brought a lot of stability and calmness into the game and has the real air of captaincy around him.

I agree that would be the ideal scenario, but I haven't got it in me to be that optimistic right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on May 10, 2013, 12:41:29 PM

Should have more cash to spend this summer ...we don't have to pay off any managers or comp for new managers !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 10, 2013, 01:00:25 PM

I like Dunne. Always thought he was a good defender. Lescott, who many are suggesting we go after (myself included) isn't immune to dropping the odd clanger that Dunne does on occasion. The difference for me is that Dunne is 34, ending a contract, and hasn't kicked a ball this season. It's common sense as it's easy to just let him go and replace him with someone who we can get more years out of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 01:14:15 PM

I would rather have 5 centre halves considering 2 are still relative rookies. A couple of injuries and you're vulnerable. Just as we were this season. Also, form. There is much to admire about Vlaar and Im sure he'll be better next season but there are still question marks over him as far as I'm concerned. He's not great in the air for instance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2013, 01:17:42 PM

A good, solid centre back, a midfield tough nut and a creative behind the front man type player please.  Hopefully, there will be a revolving door this summer with Given, Marshall, Albrighton, Fonz, Hutton and Bannan joining fat Richard in leaving the club.  Would be lovely to see Stan Petrov back as a coach at some point, when he's won his battle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on May 10, 2013, 01:24:12 PM

I think Lambert's just being kind with Dunne. Too much respect to say he's out. Let's face it, given the past 12 months, to have him out of contract in June is the ideal scenario.

We need two centre-backs this summer, IMO, although it would be really useful if one was versatile enough to fill in at RB if needed - that way we could let Lichaj go too and have cover for Lowton. Vlaar has a history of injury problems, Clark and Baker both spent periods out injured, and I'd really like us to have a season where we don't have to spend half of it playing musical defensive chairs, shuffling defenders around.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 10, 2013, 02:36:14 PM

Quote from: Merv on May 10, 2013, 01:24:12 PM

I think Lambert's just being kind with Dunne. Too much respect to say he's out. Let's face it, given the past 12 months, to have him out of contract in June is the ideal scenario.

I don't think you're likely to hear Lambert saying anything negative about any of his players either. At that meeting last year someone had a dig at Warnock/Hutton and he didn't know how to respond. He's had various chances to have a pop at the likes of Bent, Ireland, Bannan and probably others but he's always been diplomatic so I wouldn't expect him to say anything negative about Dunne.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2013, 02:45:17 PM

Vlaar would benefit massively from having an established, quality PL CB next to him. I don't think the club has any issue paying a little extra for proper PL players who will actually contribute. Lescott brings that in spades and is a natural leader to boot. You can never have too many of those on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2013, 02:53:50 PM

Hmmm.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-alan-hutton-says-3573380?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 10, 2013, 03:30:46 PM

A rule of thumb for any team looking for success is that your centre-back pairing plays every game barring injury. So Lambert has to decide whether he likes Vlaar and Baker or if one of them is making way this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 04:00:21 PM

I don't see it like that.  With so many potential fixtures and loss of form you have to have at least four and preferably five. None of the top sides leave themselves short or rely on one pairing for the whole season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 10, 2013, 08:23:41 PM

Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2013, 07:47:43 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 09, 2013, 11:56:06 AM

I don't want to appear heartless but with Stans news that's another 50k a week off the wage bill.

What a totally inappropriate, insensitive comment to make.

I fail to see how this is insensitive in any way.  Given the discussion it seems quite relevant.

The obviously tragic circumstances of him no longer being our player do not change the fact he has retired and we no longer pay his wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2013, 08:25:50 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

Chris Brunt from the Albion would be a decent addition to the squad.  Good midfielder and takes very good set pieces.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2013, 08:35:54 PM

Nah we need better in central midfield.

Mulumbu would be a better fit for what we need in midfield or even James Morrison if you're looking at WBA options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 10, 2013, 08:40:39 PM

For the first time in a long time I trust our manager to buy well. I also think that trying to predict any signings is madness.

None of Lambert's signings last year were on anyone's radar, I doubt it will be any different this year

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

From that list Ryan Babel would be a good option if he has the right attitude.  Can play right across the front, good with the ball at his feet, pretty quick and has a point to prove after his time at liverpool.  I do get that' I'll probably be slated for the suggestion but he would give us an option up front as cover for gabby and weimann mainly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on May 10, 2013, 09:05:50 PM

I think we'll see a mixture of signings this summer, experience where needed and some promising talent for the lower leagues / abroad. The one thing any new signing will need is a hunger / desire to play or develop. Players who want to sit around & pick up their salary or who don't fit our style will have no place under Lambert.

Exit - Dunne, Ireland, Lichaj, Bent, Given, Hutton
If you include Petrov that's probably £250k per week saving on players who we have seen little or no contribution from.

Last chance - Bannan, N'Zogbia, Albrighton

New deals - Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann & Benteke
That's probably £100k per week outgoing, which still leaves room for more to come in. Especially if you add in the new TV money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on May 10, 2013, 10:09:53 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 10, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

From that list Ryan Babel would be a good option if he has the right attitude.  Can play right across the front, good with the ball at his feet, pretty quick and has a point to prove after his time at liverpool.  I do get that' I'll probably be slated for the suggestion but he would give us an option up front as cover for gabby and weimann mainly.

????

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2013, 10:27:01 PM

Babel is probably worse than N'zogbia for attitude and ability.

I would give N'zogbia another season tbh, there have been some promising games since January and he's our only goalscoring threat from the central midfield area when he plays as part of a three.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on May 10, 2013, 11:00:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 10, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

From that list Ryan Babel would be a good option if he has the right attitude.  Can play right across the front, good with the ball at his feet, pretty quick and has a point to prove after his time at liverpool.  I do get that' I'll probably be slated for the suggestion but he would give us an option up front as cover for gabby and weimann mainly.

Glad you get that you'll be slated because I don't think I've read a more utterly barking mad post on here in quite some time. Ryan Babel, right attitude?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2013, 11:08:03 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 10, 2013, 10:27:01 PM

Babel is probably worse than N'zogbia for attitude and ability.

I would give N'zogbia another season tbh, there have been some promising games since January and he's our only goalscoring threat from the central midfield area when he plays as part of a three.

I love Charlie but I'd try to deal him while he still has value, maybe try to include him in a swap. He can't play in our central midfield, and outside he just loses the ball far far too much. He's not a great passer, can't beat defenders off the dribble much anymore and defense doesn't even cross his mind. I think we can find a better contributor on his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 10, 2013, 11:12:49 PM

I would keep N'Zogbia if he wants to stay, feel he has contributed during the second part of the season albeit not as much as we would have liked. Gives us another option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 10, 2013, 11:20:14 PM

Clint Hill?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2013, 12:03:51 AM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 10, 2013, 11:20:14 PM

Clint Hill?

Seriously? Nearly 50 and worse than Carl Tiler on a bad, bad day?! No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2013, 12:05:26 AM

Of that list, Turnbull, if Given goes, might be worth a look.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 12:10:33 AM

Yep being sarky about Clint rather have Jimmy Hill if I'm honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:24:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2013, 12:05:26 AM

Of that list, Turnbull, if Given goes, might be worth a look.

I would rather Fred Turnbull in goals than Ross Turnbull

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 12:27:21 AM

I would rather we resign Lee Turnball and put him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:33:30 AM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 12:27:21 AM

I would rather we resign Lee Turnball and put him in.

Now you are being silly :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 11, 2013, 12:36:39 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:24:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2013, 12:05:26 AM

Of that list, Turnbull, if Given goes, might be worth a look.

I would rather Fred Turnbull in goals than Ross Turnbull

Fred has a 100% record when it comes to saves attempted/goals prevented

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:40:43 AM

To be fair, Ross probably has a better record at heading the ball :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 11, 2013, 12:44:36 AM

If we're after left-back cover I'd rather Bouma on a one-year deal again than either Clark or Baker there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:47:36 AM

Dave, how is his fitness these days, good solid left back. Got to say probably hardest position to pick in my best ever Villa XI

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2013, 02:00:27 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:47:36 AM

Dave, how is his fitness these days, good solid left back. Got to say probably hardest position to pick in my best ever Villa XI

 George Cunnings. Sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 02:14:02 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2013, 02:00:27 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:47:36 AM

Dave, how is his fitness these days, good solid left back. Got to say probably hardest position to pick in my best ever Villa XI

 George Cunnings. Sorted.

I thought I was an old brastrad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2013, 02:40:17 AM

Quote from: richard moore on May 10, 2013, 11:00:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 10, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

From that list Ryan Babel would be a good option if he has the right attitude.  Can play right across the front, good with the ball at his feet, pretty quick and has a point to prove after his time at liverpool.  I do get that' I'll probably be slated for the suggestion but he would give us an option up front as cover for gabby and weimann mainly.

Glad you get that you'll be slated because I don't think I've read a more utterly barking mad post on here in quite some time. Ryan Babel, right attitude?

From what I've read (admittedly only after seeing him on a similar list a week or so ago) he's been a lot more professional in his latest spell at Ajax.  I'd actually be surprised if we pick up anyone on a Bosman though, there's very little out there worth looking at, which is also why I think Babel is potentially the best of the lot.

Most importantly I think we desperately need someone to compete with the front 3, particularly the wide roles where Gabby has always been patchy and Weimann is very raw.  I've said before, after we replace Dunne I think that should be the 2nd priority for this summer, followed by an attacking midfielder who can chip in a few goals.  Once we've got all those sorted we can get some competition at full back and we'll be pretty well set.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 11, 2013, 08:23:30 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

I just don't see the point at all. Let him go and get a long term solution in.
We know Lambert was interested in Lescott. That's what we need. Lescott and say, Dragovic or Kjaer, plus another left back and the defence is sorted.
It's time Joleon stopped fucking about and came home.

That'd be great, Lescott and Vlaar as regular starters, Dragovic could be backup/rotating for them if either gets injured and have Baker + Clark as understudies. Vlaar imo deserves to keep his place, he has brought a lot of stability and calmness into the game and has the real air of captaincy around him.

To be honest I dont see it with Vlaar at all. He has been a big disappointment this season imo. If anything he has proven he isnt captain material and needs a more experienced centre half next to him to lead the defence. Even at that I'm not sure Vlaar is good enough for a decent Villa side. A lot of his performances this season has been beyond atrocious.

I think we need to start guarding against revisionism when it comes to reviewing the efforts of our players and management this season.

65 goals conceded in the league thus far is the worst defensive effort from a Villa side since 86/87.
Our full backs have been desperately poor defensively for the majority of the season and teams have attacked us down the flanks routinely with success.
Matt Lowton goal against Stoke shouldnt hide from the fact that defensively he has at sea for most of the season. Physically weak, unable to compete on any cross to the backpost and slow. Very good on the ball no doubt but the talk of him for Arsenal or for England is so far wide of the mark its ridiculous. 

Joe Bennett has put in probably some of the worst individual performances in a Villa shirt for 20 years this season, his efforts last weekend could have relegated us alone. So much for learning from his mistakes. 

Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker were given ample opportunity this season to lay down a marker to be a regular in the Villa first team for the forseeable future. None of them unfortunately grabbed it, the Chelsea annihilation seemed to send Clark back miles while Baker honest as he is, is so technically limited he makes James Collins seem like Franco Baresi reincarnated.

A lot to be positive about for next season. The Weimann, Benteke, Gabby attack seems one of the best in the league, Westwood and Delph are showing a lot of promise, Guzan has been a huge plus and our full backs can attack pretty well. But it goes without saying that some of the players in our squad are not of the standard required to push into the top half of the table. First area to strengthen must be at the back. Lescott would be a huge addition and improve us immeasurably back there. A versatile physically strong defender, Marc Wilson possibly, next as we cant rely on Bennett kicking on next season. An experienced player in the centre of the park capable of getting forward and scoring like Gareth Barry is also required. Up front we will need another player up there as Gabby and Weimann can verge from the sublime to the ridiculous from week to week.

Going to be tough to shift the likes of Given, Bent, Ireland, Nzogbia to make room for the new players. One of the promoted clubs will go for Given I reckon, Reading proved this year that you have no business coming up to the top division without a decent keeper. Id say we are stuck with Ireland, I didnt see the Wigan defeat which seems to have been the end for him with Lambert but on the Bradford game alone bit harsh that he has been made the scapegoat for that one. He seems to have no heart about him though on the pitch and its a big pity because we have a role for an attacking midfielder in our side. Maybe on an improving side he might do ok, he was terrible in a struggling one.

Someone will come in for Bent and Nzogbia but we will be taking huge losses on them both. Best to use for trades I reckon. The likes of the Fonz, Albrighton, Stevens, Bannan, Herd, Clark/Baker will find clubs in the second tier if they want and like Ridgewell or Whittingham build their careers from there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 11, 2013, 08:55:21 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 10, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: duke313 on May 10, 2013, 07:47:56 PM

Found this bosman list on a Spurs site, seems pretty up-to-date.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/transfer-news/32079-european-bosman-players-list-summer-2013-a.html

From that list Ryan Babel would be a good option if he has the right attitude.  Can play right across the front, good with the ball at his feet, pretty quick and has a point to prove after his time at liverpool.  I do get that' I'll probably be slated for the suggestion but he would give us an option up front as cover for gabby and weimann mainly.

I'd sooner have Maloney back seeing as he's no longer homesick.  He's looked alright whenever I've seen him for Wigan lately, though no doubt Whelan will be talking him up to be the Caledonian Messi and will be looking for at least £40m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on May 11, 2013, 09:00:57 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 11, 2013, 08:23:30 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 10, 2013, 11:29:53 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2013, 11:12:11 AM

I just don't see the point at all. Let him go and get a long term solution in.
We know Lambert was interested in Lescott. That's what we need. Lescott and say, Dragovic or Kjaer, plus another left back and the defence is sorted.
It's time Joleon stopped fucking about and came home.

That'd be great, Lescott and Vlaar as regular starters, Dragovic could be backup/rotating for them if either gets injured and have Baker + Clark as understudies. Vlaar imo deserves to keep his place, he has brought a lot of stability and calmness into the game and has the real air of captaincy around him.

To be honest I dont see it with Vlaar at all. He has been a big disappointment this season imo. If anything he has proven he isnt captain material and needs a more experienced centre half next to him to lead the defence. Even at that I'm not sure Vlaar is good enough for a decent Villa side. A lot of his performances this season has been beyond atrocious.

I think we need to start guarding against revisionism when it comes to reviewing the efforts of our players and management this season.

65 goals conceded in the league thus far is the worst defensive effort from a Villa side since 86/87.
Our full backs have been desperately poor defensively for the majority of the season and teams have attacked us down the flanks routinely with success.
Matt Lowton goal against Stoke shouldnt hide from the fact that defensively he has at sea for most of the season. Physically weak, unable to compete on any cross to the backpost and slow. Very good on the ball no doubt but the talk of him for Arsenal or for England is so far wide of the mark its ridiculous. 

Joe Bennett has put in probably some of the worst individual performances in a Villa shirt for 20 years this season, his efforts last weekend could have relegated us alone. So much for learning from his mistakes. 

Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker were given ample opportunity this season to lay down a marker to be a regular in the Villa first team for the forseeable future. None of them unfortunately grabbed it, the Chelsea annihilation seemed to send Clark back miles while Baker honest as he is, is so technically limited he makes James Collins seem like Franco Baresi reincarnated.

A lot to be positive about for next season. The Weimann, Benteke, Gabby attack seems one of the best in the league, Westwood and Delph are showing a lot of promise, Guzan has been a huge plus and our full backs can attack pretty well. But it goes without saying that some of the players in our squad are not of the standard required to push into the top half of the table. First area to strengthen must be at the back. Lescott would be a huge addition and improve us immeasurably back there. A versatile physically strong defender, Marc Wilson possibly, next as we cant rely on Bennett kicking on next season. An experienced player in the centre of the park capable of getting forward and scoring like Gareth Barry is also required. Up front we will need another player up there as Gabby and Weimann can verge from the sublime to the ridiculous from week to week.

Going to be tough to shift the likes of Given, Bent, Ireland, Nzogbia to make room for the new players. One of the promoted clubs will go for Given I reckon, Reading proved this year that you have no business coming up to the top division without a decent keeper. Id say we are stuck with Ireland, I didnt see the Wigan defeat which seems to have been the end for him with Lambert but on the Bradford game alone bit harsh that he has been made the scapegoat for that one. He seems to have no heart about him though on the pitch and its a big pity because we have a role for an attacking midfielder in our side. Maybe on an improving side he might do ok, he was terrible in a struggling one.

Someone will come in for Bent and Nzogbia but we will be taking huge losses on them both. Best to use for trades I reckon. The likes of the Fonz, Albrighton, Stevens, Bannan, Herd, Clark/Baker will find clubs in the second tier if they want and like Ridgewell or Whittingham build their careers from there.

To cut it short, in your opinion, out of a squad of about 25, only 5-6 are good enough! Really?

The goals against is massively impacted by the 20 goals conceded in only 4 games, of which Vlar did not play in any? Our performances since late January have been, overall very good & recently results have started to match the performances. We do not need wholesale changes, moving out those who don't / won't contribute & replacing them with a mixture of youth & experience will put us in a good position to move forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2013, 09:55:01 AM

Vlaar hasn't set the world alight. In part due to injuries, and also in part he's had a hell of a lot of pressure coming in and suddenly being the senior man at the back in his maiden Premiership year.

I don't think he's ever gonna be a Laursen, or even a Mellberg. However he's good enough to be the number 2. What we need is a leader and organiser at the back, like Laursen was. We need a first choice centre half who can keep these kids organised, alert. Someone who'll pull a full back, back into position if he's drifting. Fire a few rockets around if someones nodded off and isn't holding the line.

Ron's getting better though. Helped by the fact that he's getting a run of games. Good enough for the first 11. Not good enough to be leading the backline. If we get a top quality centre half in who can organise things on the pitch, then Vlaar will get better, or Baker/Clark if they're playing. The fullbacks will benefit too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2013, 10:03:52 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 02:14:02 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2013, 02:00:27 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 11, 2013, 12:47:36 AM

Dave, how is his fitness these days, good solid left back. Got to say probably hardest position to pick in my best ever Villa XI

 George Cunnings. Sorted.

I thought I was an old brastrad

I'm not old enough to remember him, but old enough for  my eyes to be fucked.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 11, 2013, 10:19:18 AM

 Was'nt it George Cummings?........my dads favourite Villa player.

 Frank Barson in central defence?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 11, 2013, 10:29:22 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2013, 12:05:26 AM

Of that list, Turnbull, if Given goes, might be worth a look.

I think there are much better keepers on that list to be looking at. I'd much rather throw a two-year contract at say, Mickael Landreau or Michael Rensing than Turnbull.

Also, if we want a bit of cheap experience to supplement the youth coming through, I'd have no problems with someone like Carvalho, Metzelder or Van Buyten coming in for a year or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 11, 2013, 10:34:05 AM

Yes, or Abidal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bully2345 on May 11, 2013, 10:41:47 AM

Ross Turnbull robs a living

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ronshirt on May 11, 2013, 10:54:27 AM

Ross Turnbull is Fred's grandson I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 11, 2013, 10:56:54 AM

Did I notice a certain BOUMA on that list  8)
Turnnall really is gash. Hopefully Siegrist will be loaned out soon

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bishop Brennan on May 11, 2013, 11:22:03 AM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 12:27:21 AM

I would rather we resign Lee Turnball and put him in.

Blimey, that's a blast from the past. Sir Graham's first ever signing I think? Did bugger all though......

Bish

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 11, 2013, 11:36:32 AM

Hello Len.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 11:57:51 AM

You may be right Bish. I'm sure I remember him coming on as a sub on a Wednesday night against Blackburn. Steve Sims being Baresi before Baresi.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bishop Brennan on May 11, 2013, 12:05:33 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 11, 2013, 11:57:51 AM

You may be right Bish. I'm sure I remember him coming on as a sub on a Wednesday night against Blackburn. Steve Sims being Baresi before Baresi.

Yep, I'm pretty sure it was either Turnbull or another Lee, the Lincoln keeper Butler who was the first GT signing.

Bish

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2013, 04:47:20 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 11, 2013, 11:36:32 AM

Hello Len.

Less of your cheek y'little bollox.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2013, 04:54:37 PM

Someone like Westwood for a million or two from Sunderland will be a decent keeper back up for us.

I'd also get someone in like Jon Riise for a season or two.

Bennett has improved but it's important we have another premier league option for LB for the periods when Bennett goes shite and Riise would fit into Lambert's way of playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2013, 06:50:01 PM

Kone would be a good signing and replacement for Bent imo.

Think he's scored 9 or 10 for Wigan this season.

Reminds me of Gabby a bit in that his touch can be off at times and he can be devastating on other occasions. He'd also fit in well with our attacking system with his movement and pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 11, 2013, 06:54:18 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2013, 04:47:20 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 11, 2013, 11:36:32 AM

Hello Len.

Less of your cheek y'little bollox.

Address him by his proper title ya little bollox!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2013, 10:32:27 PM

Thomas Muller, Lionel Messi and Buffon should all be signed. This will demonstrate once and for all that Villa has 'ambition'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 11, 2013, 11:48:04 PM

That Luke Murphy doesnt look a bad player at Crewe. Since I heard us linked with him in Jan I checked up on him this season and even though he's another young inexperienced player he looks a steal at 2-3 million.

I reckon we might of targeted another unknown big powerful forward from somewhere incase Benteke gets cold feet in a few seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 12, 2013, 06:43:33 AM

Another vote for Kone and dare I say it, Maloney...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 12, 2013, 07:07:09 AM

Quote from: Matt C on May 12, 2013, 06:43:33 AM

Another vote for Kone and dare I say it, Maloney...

I don't think Maloney will fit into Lambert's way of doing business simply because of his age now. Shame we couldn't/didn't get more out of him when he was here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 12, 2013, 12:39:16 PM

I am already fed up of hearing how this club or that club is going to sign Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 12:48:29 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 11, 2013, 11:48:04 PM

That Luke Murphy doesnt look a bad player at Crewe. Since I heard us linked with him in Jan I checked up on him this season and even though he's another young inexperienced player he looks a steal at 2-3 million.

I reckon we might of targeted another unknown big powerful forward from somewhere incase Benteke gets cold feet in a few seasons.

Only seen him twice, but he looks like he could settle into our midfield happily enough. I hope that other clubs are not now following Lambert and Karsa round like sheep dogs though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 12:56:02 PM

We need goals from midfield and Murphy looks like he has some in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 01:06:19 PM

Maloney would start kicking off about how much he hates Birmingham again the moment he signed so stay clear even if he's also been a clever little player.

Would be happy with Kone. Thought he was younger than 29 but then again Dempsey was persued last summer and he's the same age.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 01:11:52 PM

Age is the reason I'd vote against Maloney and Kone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 01:13:47 PM

Kone would fit into our system quite well I think, he could play the Gabby or Benteke role when either are unavailable.

How much did Wigan sign him for?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 12, 2013, 01:16:48 PM

Maloney has had about 6 good games his time with us has gone. Move on to younger and more hungry players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

No thank you very much - remember his spell with us and his obvious desire to get away from the club at the earliest opportunity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 12, 2013, 01:23:16 PM

think we'l probably buy a couple of players we have never heard of,
 and then a couple more that even the players we have never heard of have never heard of

we will all moan about 'lower league' ' inexperienced' ' unknown foriegners'  then about half way through the season we will all be saying actually the ones we got are better than the overpriced mercenaries that Newcastle, Sunderland, Liverpool, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom and Tottenham got

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

No thank you very much - remember his spell with us and his obvious desire to get away from the club at the earliest opportunity.

Harsh. He wanted out because he hardly played. (Nice one MON)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2013, 02:25:37 PM

Quote from: john e on May 12, 2013, 01:23:16 PM

think we'l probably buy a couple of players we have never heard of,
 and then a couple more that even the players we have never heard of have never heard of

we will all moan about 'lower league' ' inexperienced' ' unknown foriegners'  then about half way through the season we will all be saying actually the ones we got are better than the overpriced mercenaries that Newcastle, Sunderland, Liverpool, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom and Tottenham got

Sounds about right John.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

No thank you very much - remember his spell with us and his obvious desire to get away from the club at the earliest opportunity.

Harsh. He wanted out because he hardly played. (Nice one MON)

Not really, he said in an interview soon after he left for Celtic he regretted the move as soon as he'd signed really. IIRC they were rumours on here and VT that was the case.

He was a decent squad player for us, won us some points in 07/08 with free kicks and was brilliant Chelsea away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on May 12, 2013, 05:17:46 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 01:13:47 PM

Kone would fit into our system quite well I think, he could play the Gabby or Benteke role when either are unavailable.

How much did Wigan sign him for?

Not sure, but modest. Couple of million I think.

Like Michu he also scored 15 La Liga goals last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 05:25:54 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 12, 2013, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

No thank you very much - remember his spell with us and his obvious desire to get away from the club at the earliest opportunity.

Harsh. He wanted out because he hardly played. (Nice one MON)

Not really, he said in an interview soon after he left for Celtic he regretted the move as soon as he'd signed really. IIRC they were rumours on here and VT that was the case.

He was a decent squad player for us, won us some points in 07/08 with free kicks and was brilliant Chelsea away.

I know but I believe he would've settled had he played. You're bound to feel homesick when you go somewhere to just sit on your hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2013, 10:22:24 PM

We need to be clever with our signings this summer.

Our youth policy is admirable, but not if it keeps us at the arse end of the table, fighting relegation year in, year out.

What we don't need this summer is more kids thrown into the mix, we need to add some experience, and some proven quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 10:58:50 PM

Quality I agree. Experience... 1 experienced body would be good at the back to compensate for when bone china Ron falls from a shelf, but beyond that I think this season will have given the current starting 11 a much better base for next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2013, 11:09:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 10:58:50 PM

Quality I agree. Experience... 1 experienced body would be good at the back to compensate for when bone china Ron falls from a shelf, but beyond that I think this season will have given the current starting 11 a much better base for next.

I agree Ozzjim.  If the right experienced player comes along (Lescott/Milner etc) then great but experience itself should not be the priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2013, 11:10:13 PM

We need a motivated player with experience not just an experienced player. QPR have plenty of the latter with very little motivation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2013, 11:52:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2013, 11:09:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 10:58:50 PM

Quality I agree. Experience... 1 experienced body would be good at the back to compensate for when bone china Ron falls from a shelf, but beyond that I think this season will have given the current starting 11 a much better base for next.

I agree Ozzjim.  If the right experienced player comes along (Lescott/Milner etc) then great but experience itself should not be the priority.

The ability to defend is essential.  Whether we buy somebody who's young or old is nether here nor there as long as they're better than the current players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 11:53:38 PM

Quote from: Risso on May 12, 2013, 11:52:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 12, 2013, 11:09:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2013, 10:58:50 PM

Quality I agree. Experience... 1 experienced body would be good at the back to compensate for when bone china Ron falls from a shelf, but beyond that I think this season will have given the current starting 11 a much better base for next.

I agree Ozzjim.  If the right experienced player comes along (Lescott/Milner etc) then great but experience itself should not be the priority.

The ability to defend is essential.  Whether we buy somebody who's young or old is nether here nor there as long as they're better than the current players.

Totally agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2013, 01:00:00 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on May 12, 2013, 05:17:46 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 12, 2013, 01:13:47 PM

Kone would fit into our system quite well I think, he could play the Gabby or Benteke role when either are unavailable.

How much did Wigan sign him for?

Not sure, but modest. Couple of million I think.

Like Michu he also scored 15 La Liga goals last season.

kone cost 4 million

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 13, 2013, 08:36:32 AM

Maloney never looked interested.

He scored a last minute winner against Fulham and he couldn't be bothered to smile. His none celebrations after a first half brace against Chelsea just the same.

Moody little oik.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 13, 2013, 11:29:45 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2013, 10:22:24 PM

We need to be clever with our signings this summer.

Our youth policy is admirable, but not if it keeps us at the arse end of the table, fighting relegation year in, year out.

What we don't need this summer is more kids thrown into the mix, we need to add some experience, and some proven quality.

I definitely think we need a CB who is both of those. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2013, 05:00:37 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2013, 08:36:32 AM

Maloney never looked interested.

He scored a last minute winner against Fulham and he couldn't be bothered to smile. His none celebrations after a first half brace against Chelsea just the same.

Moody little oik.

We are agreeing again!!!

I was at the game in North Wales when the wee man scored twice at the Racecourse when we beat Wrexham 5-0 (2007?) - same thing then - not a smile, no celebrations - perhaps he is just a miserable fecker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 13, 2013, 05:19:03 PM

Meanwhile Marlon went mental when he got his goal; a meaningless 5th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:35:51 PM

Why do so many people insist on looking at slightly above average players from relegated sides?  I've seen suggestions of Pogrebnyak(however you spell it), Danny Rose and now Maloney.  I'd much rather we go for players at teams near the top of the championship than players at the bottom of the premier league.  Form matters so the best players in sides who've been winning in the last 3-6month are what we should be looking at.

For example, Brighton and Charlton have been in good form (unbeaten in 9 and 8 respectively) so Stephens and Bridcutt who we've been linked with might be worth another look.  If that's the market we're in then I'd rather see us going for those kind of players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:35:51 PM

Why do so many people insist on looking at slightly above average players from relegated sides?  I've seen suggestions of Pogrebnyak(however you spell it), Danny Rose and now Maloney.  I'd much rather we go for players at teams near the top of the championship than players at the bottom of the premier league.  Form matters so the best players in sides who've been winning in the last 3-6month are what we should be looking at.

For example, Brighton and Charlton have been in good form (unbeaten in 9 and 8 respectively) so Stephens and Bridcutt who we've been linked with might be worth another look.  If that's the market we're in then I'd rather see us going for those kind of players.

I must admit danny rose has impressed me this season - but stephens and bridcutt could well be useful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 13, 2013, 05:50:55 PM

The squad doesn’t need as big an injection of players as last summer, but it still needs some work doing to it.

We have shown that we have a decent first XI in the current system these past two and a bit months, however, if we’re going to avoid a fourth season of this nonsense then we really need six players.

I like the blend of the increasingly impressive Delph, Westy and Sylla. I think we should be supplementing this with a more experienced defensive battler. Sylla after all is still very young and inexperienced and if he picks up a knock, there is nobody in the squad like him. Naivety is our problem and a player with a bit of nous in the midfield would be of a massive benefit.

Similarly, I like the way Delph has come on since January. He is becoming increasingly positive, beating men and using his pace to good effect. We still need somebody capable of scoring the odd goal, like Ian Taylor used to, from the midfield, as they have one to their name this season. Ireland is never going to be the dynamic box-to-box attacking player we need and unfortunately, I cannot see us shipping him out. But I think those two types of additions, with the blend of youth we have, would see us right next campaign.

KEA isn’t to be written off yet either, as although he has disappointed, it is the pace of the game that he has struggled with most for me.

The most obvious thing to say and its almost like the right back jokes of five or so years ago; we need a centre half! Big, quick and ‘ard. Vlaar is decent, while Baker and Clark are coming along, but you cannot carry anybody in this league at centre half.

I would like to see a wide forward/winger type come in to. It has to be somebody not only with pace, but somebody who can really whip the ball in and offer something from a set piece. Three goals from set pieces isn’t good enough.

A utility full back wouldn’t go a miss either, somebody to keep the pressure of Lowton and Bennett or vice-versa, especially with Lijcah likely to be off.

Finally, we need to get rid of Given and replace with somebody more youthful and less expensive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2013, 05:55:13 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2013, 05:50:55 PM

The squad doesn’t need as big an injection of players as last summer, but it still needs some work doing to it.

We have shown that we have a decent first XI in the current system these past two and a bit months, however, if we’re going to avoid a fourth season of this nonsense then we really need six players.

I like the blend of the increasingly impressive Delph, Westy and Sylla. I think we should be supplementing this with a more experienced defensive battler. Sylla after all is still very young and inexperienced and if he picks up a knock, there is nobody in the squad like him. Naivety is our problem and a player with a bit of nous in the midfield would be of a massive benefit.

Similarly, I like the way Delph has come on since January. He is becoming increasingly positive, beating men and using his pace to good effect. We still need somebody capable of scoring the odd goal, like Ian Taylor used to, from the midfield, as they have one to their name this season. Ireland is never going to be the dynamic box-to-box attacking player we need and unfortunately, I cannot see us shipping him out. But I think those two types of additions, with the blend of youth we have, would see us right next campaign.

KEA isn’t to be written off yet either, as although he has disappointed, it is the pace of the game that he has struggled with most for me.

The most obvious thing to say and its almost like the right back jokes of five or so years ago; we need a centre half! Big, quick and ‘ard. Vlaar is decent, while Baker and Clark are coming along, but you cannot carry anybody in this league at centre half.

I would like to see a wide forward/winger type come in to. It has to be somebody not only with pace, but somebody who can really whip the ball in and offer something from a set piece. Three goals from set pieces isn’t good enough.

A utility full back wouldn’t go a miss either, somebody to keep the pressure of Lowton and Bennett or vice-versa, especially with Lijcah likely to be off.

Finally, we need to get rid of Given and replace with somebody more youthful and less expensive.

Pretty good  review of the squad and whats needed there ads!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:55:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:35:51 PM

Why do so many people insist on looking at slightly above average players from relegated sides?  I've seen suggestions of Pogrebnyak(however you spell it), Danny Rose and now Maloney.  I'd much rather we go for players at teams near the top of the championship than players at the bottom of the premier league.  Form matters so the best players in sides who've been winning in the last 3-6month are what we should be looking at.

For example, Brighton and Charlton have been in good form (unbeaten in 9 and 8 respectively) so Stephens and Bridcutt who we've been linked with might be worth another look.  If that's the market we're in then I'd rather see us going for those kind of players.

I must admit danny rose has impressed me this season - but stephens and bridcutt could well be useful.

I really don't see the value in Rose, I think this time next year Bennett will have surpassed him, and Tottenham would be after silly money.  I don't see any value in having premier league experience if that experience is confined to a relegation fight, we have a lot of young players with that experience.  I want some players in who have experience as winners and fighting at the top of the table.  Clearly premier league players in that category are out of our range right now so lets go for ones for whom we'd be a step up, with only the centre half we desperately need being different (as has been said to an extent, Lescott is ideal if he's available and interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2013, 06:01:32 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2013, 05:19:03 PM

Meanwhile Marlon went mental when he got his goal; a meaningless 5th.

Yes that was quite hilarious - god bless him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 13, 2013, 06:05:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:35:51 PM

Why do so many people insist on looking at slightly above average players from relegated sides?  I've seen suggestions of Pogrebnyak(however you spell it), Danny Rose and now Maloney.  I'd much rather we go for players at teams near the top of the championship than players at the bottom of the premier league.  Form matters so the best players in sides who've been winning in the last 3-6month are what we should be looking at.

For example, Brighton and Charlton have been in good form (unbeaten in 9 and 8 respectively) so Stephens and Bridcutt who we've been linked with might be worth another look.  If that's the market we're in then I'd rather see us going for those kind of players.

I must admit danny rose has impressed me this season - but stephens and bridcutt could well be useful.

The lad McManaman looks good to me. Wouldn't mind if Lambert took a punt on him. In fact, thinking about it, maybe a swap with N'Zogbia could work.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2013, 06:10:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 13, 2013, 06:05:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2013, 05:43:58 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 13, 2013, 05:35:51 PM

Why do so many people insist on looking at slightly above average players from relegated sides?  I've seen suggestions of Pogrebnyak(however you spell it), Danny Rose and now Maloney.  I'd much rather we go for players at teams near the top of the championship than players at the bottom of the premier league.  Form matters so the best players in sides who've been winning in the last 3-6month are what we should be looking at.

For example, Brighton and Charlton have been in good form (unbeaten in 9 and 8 respectively) so Stephens and Bridcutt who we've been linked with might be worth another look.  If that's the market we're in then I'd rather see us going for those kind of players.

I must admit danny rose has impressed me this season - but stephens and bridcutt could well be useful.

The lad McManaman looks good to me. Wouldn't mind if Lambert took a punt on him. In fact, thinking about it, maybe a swap with N'Zogbia could work.

Whelan will probably quote crazy money for him, I'd love a swap with nzog but cant see it happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2013, 06:35:31 PM

McManaman looks a great prospect, he also appears to be a bit of a knob.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 13, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

 A Vydra, and a Sigurdsson are the kind of signings i would hope we make.

 We need an attacking wide player who can add goals, and play off Benteke, and put pressure on/replce  Gabby and Weimann.A midfielder who offers goals, although i think that GG could be a useful addition next season.

 Not sure who i would have as CH, probably a player from abroad who i have'nt heard of, but hopefully a Kaboul kind of player, would'nt be adverse to Lescott as long as he is relatively cheap.

 Figuerola as a LB/stand in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2013, 06:54:40 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 13, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

A Vydra, and a Sigurdsson are the kind of signings i would hope we make.

Vydra looked very good yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2013, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2013, 06:54:40 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 13, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

A Vydra, and a Sigurdsson are the kind of signings i would hope we make.

Vydra looked very good yesterday.

First time ive really noticed him - looked ok yesterday indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 13, 2013, 07:53:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2013, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 13, 2013, 06:54:40 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 13, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

A Vydra, and a Sigurdsson are the kind of signings i would hope we make.

Vydra looked very good yesterday.

First time ive really noticed him - looked ok yesterday indeed.

And positively awful in the 1st leg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2013, 12:19:01 AM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2013, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

Maloney a good shout

No thank you very much - remember his spell with us and his obvious desire to get away from the club at the earliest opportunity.

There is a young lad at Palace called Jonathan Williams, who for me is a similar player to Maloney, but I think will be  better in a couple of years (he's only 19).  He can play on both wings and can also play in a more central attacking role.  I've seen him play a few times for Wales and he has looked at home against quality opposition such as Croatia.  I still think Tom Ince would be a good signing, but I've got a feeling his Dad is going to be playing games this summer and could well do him out of a move. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2013, 12:26:18 AM

Quote from: Ads on May 13, 2013, 05:50:55 PM

I like the blend of the increasingly impressive Delph, Westy and Sylla. I think we should be supplementing this with a more experienced defensive battler. Sylla after all is still very young and inexperienced and if he picks up a knock, there is nobody in the squad like him. Naivety is our problem and a player with a bit of nous in the midfield would be of a massive benefit.

The way I see it at the moment, Westwood is the ball playing midfielder who sits a little deeper, with Sylla and Delph providing the "legs".  Whilst I think Sylla and Delph have done well recently, I still think there is room for a real quality midfielder who can add a few goals in that set up. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:

i) Benteke stays
ii) We (mostly) stick with the 4-3-3 formation
iii) Bent goes
iv) Bowery will be loaned out or, at least, get fewer games, as he doesn't seem ready for regular top-flight football yet.

Given these assumptions, we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Now Maloney's fine on the wing but if we were to play him as sole centre-forward we'd have less chance of scoring than Anne Widdecombe.

I'm not saying I know who we should sign, mind. Lambert probably has some unknown bloke from the Low Countries/er divisions in mind. Best I can think of is Sterling, if Liverpool would let us have him on loan, now that Sturridge is ahead of him in the pecking-order.

He's looked ok when I've seen him. Plus, he's a cheating bastard, which we need more of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 07:41:20 AM

For McManaman now see Sterling 6 months ago. The clamour for either was way over the top. The only "trick" either have got that I have seen is to kick the ball a few yards in front of the defender when wrong footed and beat them with space. Teams will double up and stop that pretty quick, as they did with Albrighton. I would not want either at the moment, or the most over rated player in the world on here Danny Rose.


I would take Naughton as full back challenge on both sides as I think he would challenge our current pair.

In midfield, Bridcut will be looked at by a lot of sides now this summer with Brighton not coming up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 14, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

it would be great if we could get rid of some of the deadwood this window, its almost as important to us as who we bring in
Given, Ireland Bent etc but I just don't see where they are going, because of the contracts and wages they are on

I think its the most difficult area we have to negotiate this summer, in a way bringing in players will be a lot easier than seeing the unwanted ones leave, to the point where if we really want them away it might cost us a few million

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Considering how good he was there for a while under O'Neill, I'd say the player that you describe above IS Agbonlahor.

I'd much rather the money spent on the above go towards a wide-player, hopefully one capable of playing on either wing in the same way that Young was.

Then it would be Benteke, Gabby and maybe Bowery for the spot in the middle and then Gabby, Weimann and AN Other for the two wide positions, supplemented by the likes of Albrighton and the next generation of youth players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 09:22:23 AM

I don't rate Danny Rose highly at all, I think he's very average.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2013, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Considering how good he was there for a while under O'Neill, I'd say the player that you describe above IS Agbonlahor.

I'd much rather the money spent on the above go towards a wide-player, hopefully one capable of playing on either wing in the same way that Young was.

Then it would be Benteke, Gabby and maybe Bowery for the spot in the middle and then Gabby, Weimann and AN Other for the two wide positions, supplemented by the likes of Albrighton and the next generation of youth players.

Agree, I'd be happy with Gabby being the main cover for Benteke so getting someone who can cover left and right is the key.  Aubamayang? - Probably a bit expensive but worth a look for me, scores and creates, is quick and has great feet (even if they are inside fecking stupid boots).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 14, 2013, 09:52:54 AM

I think we need to sign at least 6 players this summer. I am happy enough with our starting 11, except for the centre backs and question marks still over left back. But our bench offers nothing.

I am thinking 2 defenders, one out and out centre half and one utility one, both of who would be good enough to go straight in. The rest should be players ready to challenge the current first team if not necessarily playing 38 games. It would be nice to get a proper experienced centre midfielder though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 09:55:03 AM

I agree on 6 and your 2 defenders. The other 4 for me would be 2 central midfielders capable of pushing and being better than the 3 in there, and 2 forwards, capable of pushing and being better than Gabby and Weimann, all being able to play the wide role, and Benteke role if need be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 10:47:45 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 09:22:23 AM

I don't rate Danny Rose highly at all, I think he's very average.

He'd be an O Neill signing to be honest. Don't see Lambert going for a player like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 10:51:09 AM

There's likely to be wholesale changes at Man City. I'd be going all out to get a good deal on Lescott and Milner. That would improve our spine a hell of a lot. Milner can go back to being a central midfielder, playing regularly. He's been utterly ruined at City.
Both players have earned their money. I'm sure for the benefit of playing regularly at peak ages in their respective positions, they'd take a reasonable wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 14, 2013, 10:51:09 AM

There's likely to be wholesale changes at Man City. I'd be going all out to get a good deal on Lescott and Milner. That would improve our spine a hell of a lot. Milner can go back to being a central midfielder, playing regularly. He's been utterly ruined at City.
Both players have earned their money. I'm sure for the benefit of playing regularly at peak ages in their respective positions, they'd take a reasonable wage.

Milner is far too much use to let go. Top sides need players like him that are dependable wherever they play.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 11:08:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 11:05:14 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 14, 2013, 10:51:09 AM

There's likely to be wholesale changes at Man City. I'd be going all out to get a good deal on Lescott and Milner. That would improve our spine a hell of a lot. Milner can go back to being a central midfielder, playing regularly. He's been utterly ruined at City.
Both players have earned their money. I'm sure for the benefit of playing regularly at peak ages in their respective positions, they'd take a reasonable wage.

Milner is far too much use to let go. Top sides need players like him that are dependable wherever they play.

Guess it all depends on who comes in, and whether or not they rate him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2013, 11:21:43 AM

Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Considering how good he was there for a while under O'Neill, I'd say the player that you describe above IS Agbonlahor.

I'd much rather the money spent on the above go towards a wide-player, hopefully one capable of playing on either wing in the same way that Young was.

Then it would be Benteke, Gabby and maybe Bowery for the spot in the middle and then Gabby, Weimann and AN Other for the two wide positions, supplemented by the likes of Albrighton and the next generation of youth players.

Agree Dave and I think there are plenty of those kind of players about at the moment.  I think it would also be useful if said player could also play in the attacking midfielder role so it would give us the option to change formation if needed. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2013, 11:34:11 AM

In my view, shore up the defence, add some strength and depth and have our forward line firing over a whole season and we'd be a top eight side with an outside bet of European football. It was late January before we found our most potent attacking line-up on a consistent basis while defence has been our weakness all season.

I'm really looking forward to Lambert's next move! We have such a great base to work from.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2013, 11:51:05 AM

For me:

Central defender
Competition at full back (preferably one player covering both sides as an upgraded lichaj)
Attacking central midfielder
1-2 forwards who can play central and wide

so somewhere between 4 and 6 depending on the wide players we go for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on May 14, 2013, 12:24:32 PM

Stole this one off another Villa site: Aaron Cresswell from Ipswich might be a good shout:

He is a LB (cover/competition for Bennett)
He's been linked with us before (notably last summer)
He fits the Lambert transfer policy (fairly young, lower leagues)
He played every minute of every one of Ipswich's league games this season and won their fan's player of the season award
He is fairly good going forward (3 goals and 5 assists this season)

Also, for what its worth, my Ipswich supporting mate reckons he's good enough for the step up, and is resigned to him being off in the next few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 12:33:43 PM

Quote from: dekko on May 14, 2013, 12:24:32 PM

Stole this one off another Villa site: Aaron Cresswell from Ipswich might be a good shout:

He is a LB (cover/competition for Bennett)
He's been linked with us before (notably last summer)
He fits the Lambert transfer policy (fairly young, lower leagues)
He played every minute of every one of Ipswich's league games this season and won their fan's player of the season award
He is fairly good going forward (3 goals and 5 assists this season)

Also, for what its worth, my Ipswich supporting mate reckons he's good enough for the step up, and is resigned to him being off in the next few years.

We were after him all last summer weren't we. Interesting if we do go back in for him. Would not be a surprise with maybe one of ours as a makeweight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 14, 2013, 12:43:35 PM

I think we will stick with Bennett. Surely he is going to hit puberty soon and once he does, we can drill into him good positional sense, then bobs your uncle, we have a proper left back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 01:28:25 PM

Bennett will be good, he's already improved a lot since he got a run in the side. He's got a very good left foot and he just needs to build his strength. He'll learn the positional side with experience, but I think there's a very good player there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on May 14, 2013, 01:31:00 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 14, 2013, 11:51:05 AM

For me:

Central defender
Competition at full back (preferably one player covering both sides as an upgraded lichaj)
Attacking central midfielder
1-2 forwards who can play central and wide

so somewhere between 4 and 6 depending on the wide players we go for.

Yep. That's about it for me, too. Biggest investments in a starting CB and CM, a striker to cover for Benteke (assuming he stays), and a versatile defender to cover right-back - even better if he can play centrally, too. I think Lichaj's okay, but given that his contract is up in the summer we should take the chance to upgrade. I think we'll be fine at LB - Bennett is getting there, Stevens is steady, and we have Baker who can do a decent job there. Plus Williams coming through.

If I was being greedy, perhaps one more midfielder - maybe Bridcutt or Stephens - to go with a more established CM who'd be a regular starter and hopefully give our midfield an extra dimension.

So, 4-5 in and the same, if not one or two more, out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2013, 02:43:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Add to that Brad has been our best player this season. It ain't been pretty and something needs to change.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 02:56:15 PM

Not sure about Cresswell. He seemed to be on the radar initially, but the price quoted was a bit silly for a young lad untested at this level. After a strong season again, you'd think his price might be even higher. If you read behind the lines, which granted aint always the best thing today in football fan forums, you'd guess that Cresswell was first choice and Bennett was second.

For a sensible fee, he'd be worth a go to provide competition. But there were quotes as high as 6 million, so I think we should look elsewhere. Ideally at someone who can cover left and right side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 14, 2013, 03:04:11 PM

I haven't see any rumours about linking us to any oversea players yet. I hope we will quietly do transfer and tell us on the day we got our man like Steve Stone transfer. There is no speculation or gossip.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 03:25:18 PM

We need two centre halves, cover/competition for both full backs, a creative midfielder, a wide player and another striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 03:57:55 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 14, 2013, 02:43:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Add to that Brad has been our best player this season. It ain't been pretty and something needs to change.

Indeed.

Surprised to see some people seemingly not that worried about the defence, or thinking getting a few more kids in will make it better.

How many games is it since our last clean sheet now? 20 or so?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on May 14, 2013, 04:01:56 PM

I've heard us linked with yanik bolasi from palace. I kept an eye on him last night, looks the real deal

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 04:05:03 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 03:57:55 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 14, 2013, 02:43:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Add to that Brad has been our best player this season. It ain't been pretty and something needs to change.

Indeed.

Surprised to see some people seemingly not that worried about the defence, or thinking getting a few more kids in will make it better.

How many games is it since our last clean sheet now? 20 or so?

Indeed we definitely need experienced quality to supplement the backline. We also need more awareness from the midfield when it comes to tracking runners, as our midfield tends to switch off a lot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on May 14, 2013, 04:14:16 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 01:28:25 PM

Bennett will be good, he's already improved a lot since he got a run in the side. He's got a very good left foot and he just needs to build his strength. He'll learn the positional side with experience, but I think there's a very good player there.

Bennett is a good player but good going forward. He stinks when it comes to defending though. Switches off. Gets turned a lot, doesn't track back properly. His positioning is terrible.

He has a good foot on him. His crosses are good and he attacks really well. There's potential in there somewhere, just don't see it as a left back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on May 14, 2013, 04:14:59 PM

I think we need a new defensive coach whoever we have playing at the back middle or up top, defend as a team and attack as a team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 04:15:43 PM

I know he isn't experienced but I'd love us to try and get Stefan de Vrij. 21 year old Feyenoord CB. Succeeded Vlaar as captain when he was just 20. He was also Vlaar's partner the previous season, so it would perhaps benifit Vlaar's game too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2013, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 03:25:18 PM

We need two centre halves, cover/competition for both full backs, a creative midfielder, a wide player and another striker.

That's 7 new players.  One of the reasons we've struggled and then improved this season is the number of new players we had to bed down from last summer.  I'd rather take what we have and add selectively to it than go through another transitional period due to a large influx of players again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2013, 04:20:59 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 04:05:03 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 03:57:55 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 14, 2013, 02:43:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Add to that Brad has been our best player this season. It ain't been pretty and something needs to change.

Indeed.

Surprised to see some people seemingly not that worried about the defence, or thinking getting a few more kids in will make it better.

How many games is it since our last clean sheet now? 20 or so?

Indeed we definitely need experienced quality to supplement the backline. We also need more awareness from the midfield when it comes to tracking runners, as our midfield tends to switch off a lot.

That's key for me.  We often see our FBs get isolated 2 on 1, for instance.

I think in order to rectify that we need a leader/organiser in central midfield, which would probably mean experience also.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 04:22:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 14, 2013, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 03:25:18 PM

We need two centre halves, cover/competition for both full backs, a creative midfielder, a wide player and another striker.

That's 7 new players.  One of the reasons we've struggled and then improved this season is the number of new players we had to bed down from last summer.  I'd rather take what we have and add selectively to it than go through another transitional period due to a large influx of players again.

We don't have a lot of choice really. Our squad needs to be a lot stronger than it is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on May 14, 2013, 04:29:50 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on May 14, 2013, 11:34:11 AM

In my view, shore up the defence, add some strength and depth and have our forward line firing over a whole season and we'd be a top eight side with an outside bet of European football. It was late January before we found our most potent attacking line-up on a consistent basis while defence has been our weakness all season.

I'm really looking forward to Lambert's next move! We have such a great base to work from.

Dont forget our current midfield is getting better by the day he now knows what works and what doesnt, when he first arrived he knew there were some people we needed to offload and he has done this in part, i think he could offload 6-7 from our squad without making it worse, Dunne, Given, Ireland, Hutton, Felonouso, Stevens and Makoun for starters. Edit I never though Sylla Delph and Westy would work but it certainly does.
I forgot about Bent but thats easy this season unfortunately.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2013, 04:43:05 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 14, 2013, 03:04:11 PM

I haven't see any rumours about linking us to any oversea players yet. I hope we will quietly do transfer and tell us on the day we got our man like Steve Stone transfer. There is no speculation or gossip.

Yeah..what a glorious day that was  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2013, 04:45:54 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 04:22:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 14, 2013, 04:18:58 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2013, 03:25:18 PM

We need two centre halves, cover/competition for both full backs, a creative midfielder, a wide player and another striker.

That's 7 new players.  One of the reasons we've struggled and then improved this season is the number of new players we had to bed down from last summer.  I'd rather take what we have and add selectively to it than go through another transitional period due to a large influx of players again.

We don't have a lot of choice really. Our squad needs to be a lot stronger than it is.

Undoubtedly.  But I think that is to be achieved by quality over quantity.  I'd be looking for 4 players:-
1.  Starting CB (Lescott!) to replace Dunne squad wise.  Given he hasn't played, that's instant strangthening.
2.  FB cover in the form of one versatile player.  If you had to choose, go with a RB as two of our CBs can cover LB.  Probably keep Lichaj, if he's willing and not asking for too much.
3.  Starting midfielder.  Expereince and strength, dropping one of Westwood, Delph or Sylla to the bench.  More competition and quality.
4.  'No 10' player.  Bent will go, so I'd replace him with a Merson type who could play in either of the wide string roles or N'Zog's spot behind Benteke.  More competition, quality and options off the bench.  With this player signed, cover from Benteke is provided by either Gabby or Weimann moving to the centre.

To me, that plugs the major gaps in our squad/team and shouldn't overly hinder the progress our young side has made.   If Lambert then wants to add a few prospects with longer term pay off, that'd be fine with me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2013, 05:44:18 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 03:57:55 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 14, 2013, 02:43:56 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

when you've conceded 67 goals, you begin to wonder if we have any defenders worth speaking of, left right or centre

Add to that Brad has been our best player this season. It ain't been pretty and something needs to change.

Indeed.

Surprised to see some people seemingly not that worried about the defence, or thinking getting a few more kids in will make it better.

How many games is it since our last clean sheet now? 20 or so?

It's not that I'm not worried it's that I think 1 experienced centre half, with the right attitude, could make a massive difference.  Lescott would be perfect.  The other thing to remember is that we've had a few beatings this year where the kids heads have gone, I don't think that will happen next year so we'll be 10-15 better off straight away.  If we concede 45 next season I'll be pretty satisfied because we do play quite an open game so we'll always concede more than we have in the past, but I think we'll score a fair few more as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 06:03:39 PM

Evening Standard claims we are one of the clubs that have made an enquiry for Vydra. I'd be happy enough with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 14, 2013, 06:23:58 PM

I'll be happy with whatever PL is happy with after his last few aquisitions.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 06:39:15 PM

Would be nice to get a player in like Mata. He'd be excellent playing either side of Tekkers. Now all Lambo has to do is find the unearthed clone of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2013, 06:45:57 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Considering how good he was there for a while under O'Neill, I'd say the player that you describe above IS Agbonlahor.

I'd much rather the money spent on the above go towards a wide-player, hopefully one capable of playing on either wing in the same way that Young was.

Then it would be Benteke, Gabby and maybe Bowery for the spot in the middle and then Gabby, Weimann and AN Other for the two wide positions, supplemented by the likes of Albrighton and the next generation of youth players.

Not convinced. Agbonlahor has spent his entire career having the odd purple patch and lots of droughts where it looks like his best days are behind him. He's been good for the last few weeks but was getting plenty of stick even as recently as March.

If ever Benteke gets injured, I wouldn't want to see him as our main scoring option. I also think he's too small to play as a lone forward (or in a 4-3-3). His best days under O'Neill were when he had Carew alongside him.

Notice when Benteke went off on Saturday we seemed devoid of ideas without, at least, the option of a target man to aim for. There seems very little point in playing with two wide players if you don't have an aerial threat.

I'm not suggesting we should start playing like Stoke, I do think we need the option of a bloke who's dominating in the air up front though, and I'm not convinced Gabby's it. Betting on Gabby being Good Gabby rather than Mediocre Gabby is too much of a gamble for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2013, 07:22:45 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 06:45:57 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 14, 2013, 01:25:28 AM

I don't see the point in going for Maloney. I'm making four assumptions:we need a player who can play up front on his own if Benteke is injured/suspended/rested. However, the player needs to be equally adept playing wide to compete for a starting place with Weimann and Agbonlahor.

Considering how good he was there for a while under O'Neill, I'd say the player that you describe above IS Agbonlahor.

I'd much rather the money spent on the above go towards a wide-player, hopefully one capable of playing on either wing in the same way that Young was.

Then it would be Benteke, Gabby and maybe Bowery for the spot in the middle and then Gabby, Weimann and AN Other for the two wide positions, supplemented by the likes of Albrighton and the next generation of youth players.

Not convinced. Agbonlahor has spent his entire career having the odd purple patch and lots of droughts where it looks like his best days are behind him. He's been good for the last few weeks but was getting plenty of stick even as recently as March.

If ever Benteke gets injured, I wouldn't want to see him as our main scoring option. I also think he's too small to play as a lone forward (or in a 4-3-3). His best days under O'Neill were when he had Carew alongside him.

Notice when Benteke went off on Saturday we seemed devoid of ideas without, at least, the option of a target man to aim for. There seems very little point in playing with two wide players if you don't have an aerial threat.

I'm not suggesting we should start playing like Stoke, I do think we need the option of a bloke who's dominating in the air up front though, and I'm not convinced Gabby's it. Betting on Gabby being Good Gabby rather than Mediocre Gabby is too much of a gamble for me.

I disagree. Gabby's best days with MON were as a lone forward in the 4-5-1. Unplayable at times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 14, 2013, 08:32:16 PM

Assuming we stay up...

I think we'll see Bent, Given, Dunne, Bannan, Delfouneso, Makoun and Ireland go off the wage bill as well as Stan of course.

If we can bring in the right quality of players I like to see Stevens, Carruthers and Bowery go out on loan. If we can buy a bloody good central defender too I would consider letting either Baker or Clark go out on loan to a top end Championship club for the first couple of months of the season.

I can't see no more than 4/5 players coming in. I'd like us to get Lescott, I think he'll bring us experience and he has a good pedigree. Wages are obviously an isssue but if he was prepared to come for the same money as Vlaar then I think it is a no brainer. We would pretty much have two captains at the back which I think would help. Part of our defensive frailties this season I believe have been down to the fact our captain has always been the defensive organiser as well as the captain. If we allowed say Vlaar to captain the side, and gave new signing Lescott the responsibility of the organisation of the defence we'd fair better.

Left back is a concern I feel, I like Joe Bennett, I think there's a bloody good footballer in there but I honestly don't think he's a LB. He reminds me a little of Bale, a good footballer with the ball at his feet. For me, I'd be looking at using him a little further up the pitch and look at bringing in a LB. I've not seen much of this lad at Ipswich but maybe he is the answer. Alternatively, how about that Dutch lad who plays for Man Utd on loan...Buttner is it? If Moyes signs Bains he'll have him and Evra fighting over a LB position.

Hopefully with Ireland and Bannan gone as well as Stan retiring a central midfield player should be a distinct possibility. One player who always impresses me is Hoolahan of Norwich. He always looks busy, makes good runs, scores a few and works bloody hard. Of course he'll know Lambert as well which may help him to come to Villa Park. I think Westwood/Delph/Silla/(a fit)Gardner/Herd/Hoolahan is definitely an upgrade on this seasons midfield options.

No doubt Lambert will have one or two players in mind that we know little about as well. I like the fact that he has unearthed a gem in Benteke, and Sylla seems to be growing in stature and confidence every single game. A couple of players like that wouldn't go amiss.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 14, 2013, 09:11:59 PM

If we sign another striker we need someone who can play with Gaby, Benteke and Weimann (and possibly Bent) and without Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 14, 2013, 09:37:26 PM

 Whats your thoughts on Alcazeres?

 Has'nt looked too bad tonight, and Wigans no 4 could be a very,very good player, a bit too negative atm, but could be very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2013, 09:38:19 PM

Whelan wants 10m-15m for McCarthy (#4). Forget that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2013, 09:41:47 PM

I wouldn't have anyone from Wigan to be honest. Think we can unearth players as good as, if not better, than what they have for cheaper. As seen, Whelan, regardless of them being down, is gonna quote silly prices. McCarthy is an okay player, nothing more. Maloney is one of their best players and there's no way he should come back here at his age and in part, history with us.

If we're gonna spend say 10 mill on one player, then perhaps prizing Milney away from City would be more sensible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 14, 2013, 09:43:08 PM

 Well he won't get it now.

 But he will be worth that, and more in a couple of years time.Reminds me of Stevie G.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2013, 09:47:42 PM

I'd give Scharner a one year deal tbh. Always liked him and I think he's a decent centre half who can also play at RB or DM.

Can't see him being on Lambert's radar though. Kone maybe as he's the same age as Clint Dempsey and I think he'd fit well into our attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2013, 09:48:20 PM

let the rebuilding begin!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on May 14, 2013, 09:50:26 PM

Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2013, 09:38:19 PM

Whelan wants 10m-15m for McCarthy (#4). Forget that!

Whelan won't let him come to us, we are a small club... he can only go to Manure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on May 14, 2013, 09:50:37 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2013, 09:47:42 PM

I'd give Scharner a one year deal tbh. Always liked him and I think he's a decent centre half who can also play at RB or DM.

Can't see him being on Lambert's radar though. Kone maybe as he's the same age as Clint Dempsey and I think he'd fit well into our attack.

At fault for a couple of goals tonight. He is a liability at the best of times.
No ta.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2013, 09:51:26 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2013, 09:47:42 PM

I'd give Scharner a one year deal tbh. Always liked him and I think he's a decent centre half who can also play at RB or DM.

Can't see him being on Lambert's radar though. Kone maybe as he's the same age as Clint Dempsey and I think he'd fit well into our attack.

After tonight's performance I hope not Scharner strolled around half heartedly until the last few minutes when he went glory hunting

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2013, 09:52:33 PM

Whoever buys Di Santo will be facing relegation next year

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 14, 2013, 09:53:46 PM

Scharner??? Alcaraz???

Both have been mentioned above!

Steady on! Wigan's defence is patethic. We should and will leave well alone.

McCarthy would be great, but I think we could face competition from teams sitting ahead of us in the league.

Nice to  talking about this s***e knowing that we are 100% in the Premier League!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2013, 09:54:24 PM

I want alot of players in who i have never heard of , it seems to work and is quite exciting  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 14, 2013, 09:54:28 PM

No way Scharner. Yes please the 3 midfield Maccas, for the money they are actually worth, plus Kone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2013, 09:55:06 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on May 14, 2013, 09:50:26 PM

Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2013, 09:38:19 PM

Whelan wants 10m-15m for McCarthy (#4). Forget that!

Whelan won't let him come to us, we are a small club... he can only go to Manure.

or Real Madrid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 14, 2013, 09:57:25 PM

Think the red scouse shite were after McCarthy last summer, no doubt they will be back after him. Kone is good, would be an asset for the squad.

Title: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 10:02:25 PM

The releif I feel tonight is immense, that was a close one.

The question is where do we go from here?  Paul Lambert has stuck with the youngsters and is building a team that in the last 5 games is starting to gel and show promise.

What do we think the next few months will hold for the club? Are we going to strengthen massively or stick with what we have got?  Undoubtedly we have a decent bunch of good players but we can hardly call this season's squad the complete article.

Benteke and Lowton have become revelations and Bennett shows such promise. Bannan is definately a squad player, Vlar is fairly strong, Guzan's saves have kept us up along with Benteke's goals assisted by Wiemann and Gabby.

I think we have a good squad here and the supporters have been brilliant in supporting them through this transition but where are our gaps, I think these youngsters can bring us success and I am starting to have a lot of hope for the coming season, do others agree? I know we have some gaps this is plain but which players would you bring in and what strategy do you think the club should have going forward?  Interested to hear your views.

Once again....phew.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: picicata on May 14, 2013, 10:14:14 PM

Nobody from any of the relegated teams please. They will be overpriced.

More ambitious players from the lower leagues/ lesser foreign leagues... oh and a good experienced central defender please.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2013, 10:15:34 PM

We add quality to the areas we need, a new centre back would be nice, not a massive fan of "concrete Ron," we tie up contracts for Benteke and Wiemann and send out scouts looking for the next Benteke when he gets a 35 mill move to someone like Manure.

I hope Lambert keeps as much of the squad together as possible, the kids have potential but they need guidance and experience that will only come through playing games, were on the up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 14, 2013, 10:15:43 PM

Kone would be a decent signing to keep Gabby on his toes and make him produce than than two months good form a season.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: andyaston on May 14, 2013, 10:16:24 PM

I think we need a centre half, someone like Lescott. Also, in midfield we still have to have an attacking type who can get on the score sheet. Delph, Westwood and Sylla have played well in the last few months but none of them have goals in them. Look at Lampard, Gerrard, Mata, Corzola or even Fellani, they all score goals from midfield which takes the load off the strikers.

Cover in both full back positions would be a help. If we keep Benteke then we don't need improving up top.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 14, 2013, 10:18:44 PM

A nice quick treble signing next week, Benteke and Andi new deals plus someone like Lescott would be a great start!

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Jane on May 14, 2013, 10:20:12 PM

Can't we just enjoy being safe for a couple of hours before starting the post mortem of the season?

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2013, 10:20:15 PM

Can someone order a taxi for the Irish mob? Destination anywhere.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: villan from luton on May 14, 2013, 10:20:55 PM

Would love Lescott at the club to bring much needed experience and calmness to the defence. Cover at full back, an attacking midfielder if N'Zog goes. I am sure Lambert has already been doing his homework and hopefully there are more scoops to come like Benteke, Westwood, Sylla and Lowton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: phantom limb on May 14, 2013, 10:22:07 PM

I don't think raiding Wigan is the answer. Whelan will want ridiculous money for any of their players, and I don't think any of them are all that good anyway especially considering we could just buy someone else who hasn't just been relegated.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

Absolutely relax. Great feeling at the end of this season and everything to look forward to in August. UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2013, 10:28:15 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 14, 2013, 10:20:15 PM

Can someone order a taxi for the Irish mob? Destination anywhere.

Clark and Stevens are worth another go (Stevens as cover).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2013, 10:32:05 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on May 14, 2013, 10:20:55 PM

Would love Lescott at the club to bring much needed experience and calmness to the defence. Cover at full back, an attacking midfielder if N'Zog goes. I am sure Lambert has already been doing his homework and hopefully there are more scoops to come like Benteke, Westwood, Sylla and Lowton.

Lescott would be ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2013, 10:36:01 PM

In Lambert we trust.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2013, 10:36:28 PM

Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2013, 09:38:19 PM

Whelan wants 10m-15m for McCarthy (#4). Forget that!

He's not wasted any time then. He looks a good player but the right time to get him was when Wigan bought him. We should and probably will identify the next one's who we can get for next to nothing.

Title: Re: Phew, and relax - or should we?
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Jane on May 14, 2013, 10:20:12 PM

Can't we just enjoy being safe for a couple of hours before starting the post mortem of the season?

No I don't think we can Jane, our time is now, lets get busy and sure up next season, we have left it late before and been left with the panic and shite like Ireland.  A good plan is what is needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on May 14, 2013, 10:47:44 PM

I want to sign a couple of players who in their first games looked as though they couldn't trap a bag pf cement and had a first touch like a five yard pass and then went onto becoming leading scorer and a midfielder who was instrumental in the final successful run in.

I think Kone could be this years Rodallega!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 10:49:45 PM

We need a new midfield general, what names spring to mind?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2013, 10:54:16 PM

Quote from: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 10:49:45 PM

We need a new midfield general, what names spring to mind?

Damian Harris

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 10:54:38 PM

I really can't wait to see our summer dealings now. I hope people give Lambert the benefit of the doubt now when he brings in lower-league players and unknowns from abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 14, 2013, 10:54:47 PM

Quote from: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 10:49:45 PM

We need a new midfield general, what names spring to mind?

James Milner

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 10:55:15 PM

The most positive point I can see going into this transfer window is that the players likely to go (Bent, Ireland, Dunne, Delfouneso, Albrighton, N'Zogbia, Stevens etc) haven't really been involved in the 1st team, and as such will not be particularly missed, except in terms of depth.  We begin this summer with a fairly decent 11, a couple of decent subs and some promising youth.  A good balance to bring some quality in and allow us to continue to grow our current crop of youngsters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 10:55:17 PM

I know it is never going to happen, but just think of the incredible improvement adding a returning James Milner to this squad would make.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2013, 10:56:38 PM

I reckon the return of Barry would be ideal for the midfield general role. Surely on his way in a clear out?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 10:57:45 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2013, 10:56:38 PM

I reckon the return of Barry would be ideal for the midfield general role. Surely on his way in a clear out?

That thought crossed my mind earlier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:05:35 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 10:55:17 PM

I know it is never going to happen, but just think of the incredible improvement adding a returning James Milner to this squad would make.

That's going in tonights over-stuffed wank bag.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 14, 2013, 11:06:03 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 10:57:45 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2013, 10:56:38 PM

I reckon the return of Barry would be ideal for the midfield general role. Surely on his way in a clear out?

That thought crossed my mind earlier.

I'm sure that I read earlier in the season his deal has 18 months to run, and he hasn't been offered fresh terms.
Coupled with his age I think he'd be sold at a reasonable price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 11:07:25 PM

Barry and Lescott coming in would be great wouldn't it. Leadership, experience and feeling for the club. About as likely as me winning the lotto mind!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:07:32 PM

Not convinced about Barry coming back. He's 32, never the quickest or most mobile even when he was a youngster he's only going to get slower i'd have thought. And on hefty £ as well. Too short term for me, and i'd have thought Lambert as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 11:08:40 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 10:55:15 PM

The most positive point I can see going into this transfer window is that the players likely to go (Bent, Ireland, Dunne, Delfouneso, Albrighton, N'Zogbia, Stevens etc) haven't really been involved in the 1st team, and as such will not be particularly missed, except in terms of depth.  We begin this summer with a fairly decent 11, a couple of decent subs and some promising youth.  A good balance to bring some quality in and allow us to continue to grow our current crop of youngsters.

Nzogbia has played fairly well in the last part of the season and I think you are being harsh on the kid Stevens who played out of his skin against Manure before getting injured, the rest I agree with (although remember Darren Bent's goals kept us up last season which is why he deserves some gratitude from all Villa supporters) Albrighton is tried tested and found wanting -goodbye, Delfounso just isn't good enough - Goodbye, Dunne is retiring - or should - goodbye, Ireland is a c**t.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 11:11:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 11:07:25 PM

Barry and Lescott coming in would be great wouldn't it. Leadership, experience and feeling for the club. About as likely as me winning the lotto mind!

Lescott would be a very clever signing. Barry, as PWS said, less so, although it is the sort of thing I can see happening.

I don't know, though, i just think of that "please let me get my dream and sell me to Liverpool" Evening Mail front page, and I don't want him in the B postcode, let alone our side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 11:11:43 PM

Ex-players blah blah.  May the overpaid bunch of prima donna wankers rot on a bench somewhere.  If they wanted to play for Villa they would stil be here, can't we move on?  Honestly, it's like my mate Kev who, when pissed, still cries about the bird he split up with 3 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 11:13:00 PM

If we could get rid of Given, Dunne, Hutton, Clark, Bannan, Holman, Ireland, Albrighton, N'Zogbia and Bent in one window then that would be great.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2013, 11:13:44 PM

Lambert's got the right idea going after 'hungry' players. Having a group of guys all around the same age probably helps to keep individuals at the club too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2013, 11:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:07:32 PM

Not convinced about Barry coming back. He's 32, never the quickest or most mobile even when he was a youngster he's only going to get slower i'd have thought. And on hefty £ as well. Too short term for me, and i'd have thought Lambert as well.

Not sure. The lesson this year has to be the balance and we lack experience big time. Even with Barry and Lescott we'd still be a very young side as a whole. They'd be perfect in my opinion., but Citeh wages mean it won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 11:14:19 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 11:11:43 PM

Ex-players blah blah.  May the overpaid bunch of prima donna wankers rot on a bench somewhere.  If they wanted to play for Villa they would stil be here, can't we move on?  Honestly, it's like my mate Kev who, when pissed, still cries about the bird he split up with 3 years ago.

I sort of agree, you leave the Villa then you die.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:16:08 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 11:11:43 PM

Ex-players blah blah.  May the overpaid bunch of prima donna wankers rot on a bench somewhere.  If they wanted to play for Villa they would stil be here, can't we move on?  Honestly, it's like my mate Kev who, when pissed, still cries about the bird he split up with 3 years ago.

You're bang right, but I'd make an exception for Milner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 14, 2013, 11:19:08 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 11:13:00 PM

If we could get rid of Given, Dunne, Hutton, Clark, Bannan, Holman, Ireland, Albrighton, N'Zogbia and Bent in one window then that would be great.

Clark?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 11:19:32 PM

Dwight Yorke was looking good on MOTD, I reckon he could still kick a ball ten yards..........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:19:50 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2013, 11:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:07:32 PM

Not convinced about Barry coming back. He's 32, never the quickest or most mobile even when he was a youngster he's only going to get slower i'd have thought. And on hefty £ as well. Too short term for me, and i'd have thought Lambert as well.

Not sure. The lesson this year has to be the balance and we lack experience big time. Even with Barry and Lescott we'd still be a very young side as a whole. They'd be perfect in my opinion., but Citeh wages mean it won't happen.

I'd be happier with Lescott than Barry, but ultimately an experienced player doesn't have to be a 32 year old fat fella with the turning circle of the QEII, taking a last pay day from a club he couldn't wait to leave. Plus he has an arse so big that David Platt often gets in his rocket to visit it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2013, 11:20:37 PM

Gary Gardner, Westie, Delph in a central 3 next season?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Zakk Fatt on May 14, 2013, 11:27:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:19:50 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2013, 11:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:07:32 PM

Not convinced about Barry coming back. He's 32, never the quickest or most mobile even when he was a youngster he's only going to get slower i'd have thought. And on hefty £ as well. Too short term for me, and i'd have thought Lambert as well.

Not sure. The lesson this year has to be the balance and we lack experience big time. Even with Barry and Lescott we'd still be a very young side as a whole. They'd be perfect in my opinion., but Citeh wages mean it won't happen.

I'd be happier with Lescott than Barry, but ultimately an experienced player doesn't have to be a 32 year old fat fella with the turning circle of the QEII, taking a last pay day from a club he couldn't wait to leave. Plus he has an arse so big that David Platt often gets in his rocket to visit it.

Very eloquently put, I fully agree Barry is a has been, Villa, England and Man City. Accrington or his coaching badges beckon, Lambertism is about the future and not about the past.  Milner is still young though and seeing him running down the wing in Claret and Blue is still possibly the present and not completely consined to the past.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 14, 2013, 11:31:59 PM

Quote from: Des Little on May 14, 2013, 11:20:37 PM

Gary Gardner, Westie, Delph in a central 3 next season?

Sylla's big and good in the tackle and developing a nice touch on the ball.
Ahead of Gardner IMO

Fcukin' 'ell that sounds obscene!
;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:41:49 PM

Right, just about got there. Now don't put us through this again. The January lack of action was foolish and dangerous.
Absolute madness considering our defensive frailty. We really rolled the dice there.

That said, Im really looking forward to seeing what Lambert as planned and I think we'll be comfortable top half next season, properly above footballing offal like Stoke, West Ham and so on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 14, 2013, 11:46:36 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:41:49 PM

Right, just about got there. Now don't put us through this again. The January lack of action was foolish and dangerous.
Absolute madness considering our defensive frailty. We really rolled the dice there.

That said, Im really looking forward to seeing what Lambert as planned and I think we'll be comfortable top half next season, properly above footballing offal like Stoke, West Ham and so on.

Lack of january transfers might've been "If we buy players and go down then we've bought them for nothing and if we stay up without investment, then we'd bought players we didn't need".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2013, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

Playing devils advcate, if we finish say 12th, how much higher, from the end of Jan, was realistic, and even had we signed 2 defenders (which I fully agree we needed and still need) would we be? It was a gamble, but then the signing of Sylla solidified us much more than a centre half may have done. Still conceded yes, but were much harder to score against and much more resilient. Baker and Vlaar coming together has helped enormously and Bennett and Lowton are much improved. I think we dodged one with Vlaar staying fit for a period of time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:58:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

The defenders purchased by our rivals haven't had much in the way of a positive effect.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on May 15, 2013, 12:01:13 AM

The kids no longer look like kids as they did earlier in the season but a replacement for Stan is needed (Westwood may be the answer), a central defender is needed and a goal scorer to complement or replace Benteke is needed (Bent may be the answer). I got on a bus to watch Wigan v Arsenal in a pub tonight. Never thought I would do that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 15, 2013, 12:26:43 AM

Centre back is a must. Don't think all 4 are good enough in any combo so one of them must be paired with an experienced international CB in my opinion. Dont rate Lescott so I would get someone in from italy, they always produce good'uns.

I also have to get in a new left back too. Yea Bennett has slightly improved over the last month or so but he still isnt up to standard for me. I like Emilio Izaguirre at Celtic

Then im looking at a midfielder who can pass and move the ball forward with a goal or 2 in him. Gomez at Wigan doesnt look too bad or the kid at Crewe, Murphy.

Then finally I think we need another attacker/ winger. Benteke one day will leave so I think we need to have someone on the radar of similar stature and then I would bid for Andros Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2013, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:58:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

The defenders purchased by our rivals haven't had much in the way of a positive effect.

I know what you're saying mate but it doesn't really make any difference how they fared. We did and still do need some defenders and to stick with what we had in January was crazy. From my point of view the forwards and midfield got their act together but the defence never did and was clearly the weak suit. I'm not saying the players we have there won't improve as this division was new to most of them.

Anyway, we got away with it. I just hope we don't push our luck as much next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 12:41:00 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2013, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:58:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

The defenders purchased by our rivals haven't had much in the way of a positive effect.

I know what you're saying mate but it doesn't really make any difference how they fared. We did and still do need some defenders and to stick with what we had in January was crazy. From my point of view the forwards and midfield got their act together but the defence never did and was clearly the weak suit. I'm not saying the players we have there won't improve as this division was new to most of them.

Anyway, we got away with it. I just hope we don't push our luck as much next season.

I think we've improved at the back since the midfield three got sorted.

I'm not convinced it's a personnel issue, more the team learning how to play with attacking intent as well as defensive responsibility.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on May 15, 2013, 12:47:02 AM

How much money does the club get out of the Sky deal for staying up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 12:49:49 AM

Quote from: ROBBO on May 15, 2013, 12:47:02 AM

How much money does the club get out of the Sky deal for staying up?

A minimum of 8 Reo-Cokers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 12:50:17 AM

I'm determined to get the NRC used as a monetary term!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 01:46:19 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 14, 2013, 11:19:08 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 14, 2013, 11:13:00 PM

If we could get rid of Given, Dunne, Hutton, Clark, Bannan, Holman, Ireland, Albrighton, N'Zogbia and Bent in one window then that would be great.

Clark?!

Don't rate him at centre-back and it is clear from his comments earlier in the season that he won't permanently change position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 03:07:34 AM

Nice article with Bent. He'll be gone in the summer but in my opinion he's conducted himself well. He says the ridght things here plus an added shot at the noses thrown in

Bent article in the Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-striker-darren-bent-3811739)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 03:10:50 AM

You need to put the right url in there TV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 03:15:21 AM

Meanwhile, The Metro on Bent.

Quote

Fulham are favourites to end Darren Bent’s Aston Villa misery after Cottagers boss Martin Jol admitted he needs more firepower next season.

The Cottagers are ending the Premier League season in the doldrums after suffering a fifth straight defeat when they were beaten by Liverpool at the weekend, and Dutchman Jol has revealed he could freshen up his squad with up to half-a-dozen new arrivals.

Bent has suffered a number of injuries this season but has fallen way down Villa manager Paul Lambert’s pecking order and is certain to leave the midlands club after this weekend’s match at Wigan.

Cardiff and Norwich are also interested in the England international and Leicester could make a bid as they seek to strengthen for another promotion push in the Championship next term.

Jol lamented his lack of attacking options this season, particularly after the sale of Clint Dempsey to Tottenham last August, and said: ‘We need four, five or six players but that’s normal at any club. We need to strengthen.

‘Our home form was always good last year. Last year we could score out of nothing – we had Clint Dempsey to score winners. With Dimitar Berbatov we gained somebody who could score goals but we lost things in other areas.’

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 04:01:49 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 03:10:50 AM

You need to put the right url in there TV.

Bollocks. Let me fix it

Ok, should work now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VancouverLion on May 15, 2013, 04:36:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2013, 10:55:17 PM

I know it is never going to happen, but just think of the incredible improvement adding a returning James Milner to this squad would make.

Was thinking the same PW, he would absolutely thrive in the 4-3-3 system and has all the attributes for a Lambert type player, him & Lescott would be brilliant business.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 15, 2013, 05:40:14 AM

Dwight Gayle from Peterborough?

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/villa-join-the-hunt-for-posh-star-1-5090558

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 15, 2013, 07:33:39 AM

Nice quotes from Benty. I wish him all the best. His goals kept us in the league when he joined.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 08:13:40 AM

Good luck to Bent.

Thing is at club level, the top 4 sides could do a lot worse considering the number of games they have to play, than signing Bent.

Bent, Given, Ireland, Dunne and Hutton are the important outs as they offer so little to the squad for what they cost. I would imagine that you could get 8 players on their combined wages that would offer significantly more as a group playing wise.

Time to sit back and enjoy the summer, start Randy jet spotting, take unwitting photos during ground tours, stalk Karsa around Europe and dust off wikipedia, brace yourselves for some lower league fans forums. Pack your sun creams its going to be fun!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 15, 2013, 08:25:19 AM

On the basis that I'm unlikely to have heard of any of our signings again this summer, I'm pretty tempted to take the summer off from football to be honest. It's been far more harrowing than something you're supposed to enjoy should be! If we can keep Benteke and Weimann, and improve the defence which I still think is one of the worst in the league, then we should be a mid-table side next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 15, 2013, 08:31:27 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 03:15:21 AM

Meanwhile, The Metro on Bent.

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Fulham are favourites to end Darren Bent’s Aston Villa misery after Cottagers boss Martin Jol admitted he needs more firepower next season.

Bejesus, Berbatov and Bent up front.  The most stationary 2 of a 4-4-2 you will ever see. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 15, 2013, 08:50:27 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 12:50:17 AM

I'm determined to get the NRC used as a monetary term!

personally I prefer to use the Mars Bar equivalent

so how many NRCs would I get for my Mars Bar?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2013, 09:03:47 AM

Good luck to Benty, he's never whinged and complained and his record when he plays is good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2013, 09:59:00 AM

I hope we use the money wisely rather than take another gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2013, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2013, 09:03:47 AM

Good luck to Benty, he's never whinged and complained and his record when he plays is good.

I'd love to keep him but from his point of view, you can hardly blame him for wanting to play. I think he's been great, he helped get us out of a bloody big hole a couple of seasons ago and like PWA has said, he's not whinged and just got on with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2013, 10:00:16 AM

Give Weimann, Guzan and Benteke new deals now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 15, 2013, 10:04:56 AM

I think a lot of us like Darren Bent. Although the wages go part of the way to compensate for the lack of action any footballer likes to be in

the action and in Bents case scoring as he has done at the top level for some years.

I hope he does go to Fulham. That club would suit him down to the ground.

If Benteke decides he belongs elsewhere with a club that would be in a financial position to offer him say 80,000 a week and not 40,000 as I suspect we will then Lambert will have to find another golden nugget in the foreign leagues. Thats a difficult ask but he must have given it some thought. Of course we hope thats not the case but in football as in life anything is possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 15, 2013, 10:05:32 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 12:41:00 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2013, 12:36:46 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 14, 2013, 11:58:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2013, 11:48:26 PM

We needed defenders. There's no good reason I can think of for not getting at least one.

The defenders purchased by our rivals haven't had much in the way of a positive effect.

I know what you're saying mate but it doesn't really make any difference how they fared. We did and still do need some defenders and to stick with what we had in January was crazy. From my point of view the forwards and midfield got their act together but the defence never did and was clearly the weak suit. I'm not saying the players we have there won't improve as this division was new to most of them.

Anyway, we got away with it. I just hope we don't push our luck as much next season.

I think we've improved at the back since the midfield three got sorted.

I'm not convinced it's a personnel issue, more the team learning how to play with attacking intent as well as defensive responsibility.

Well said LeeB

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on May 15, 2013, 10:13:20 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 15, 2013, 10:04:56 AM

I think a lot of us like Darren Bent. Although the wages go part of the way to compensate for the lack of action any footballer likes to be in

the action and in Bents case scoring as he has done at the top level for some years.

I hope he does go to Fulham. That club would suit him down to the ground.

If Benteke decides he belongs elsewhere with a club that would be in a financial position to offer him say 80,000 a week and not 40,000 as I suspect we will then Lambert will have to find another golden nugget in the foreign leagues. Thats a difficult ask but he must have given it some thought. Of course we hope thats not the case but in football as in life anything is possible.

Benteke has to stay, end of. The team needs to be built around him. You may as well give up if he's sold. We've seen where the club's policy of selling the likes of Barry, Milner, Young, Downing etc. has got us for the last three years; there's no substitute for quality. Lerner needs to state his intentions for the club, to us, the paying customers! All we get is this stupid silence from him - he just doesn't engage with the fans for whatever reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 10:21:31 AM

I think we only got away with it in the fact that Baker and Vlaar managed to put 10-12 games together, which has seen us through. Lambert quite clearly knew what he was doing with Sylla and the midfield to stabilise the side, and it worked. He deserves credit for holding his nerve and doing what he thought was the right things when we to a man would have all panic bought someone in. FFS - I wanted us to get Mike Williamson from Newcastle on loan, that is how deranged I got. Lambert stayed calm and showed belief in the players, something that he should get rewarded for next season.

Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2013, 09:59:00 AM

I hope we use the money wisely rather than take another gamble.

Westwood - 2m,
Lowton 1.5m, (maybe even lower if Lamberts around a million comment is true a couple of weeks back)
Guzan - Free,
Benteke 7m
Sylla - 1.5m,
Vlaar 3.5m
KEA - 2.5m
Bowery - 500k
Bennett 2.75m
Dawkins - 0 essentially.

I would defy anyone to suggest that was not spent wisely when you looked at the squad he took over. What would that lot be worth now if sold? Apart from about 2, they would all have tripled or even quadrupled their value this season.

I think with the same budget there are less holes this summer, so hopefully there might be a couple more "Benteke" type signings, but if you read the comments of Steve Davis at Crewe, we had one of the most comprehensive scouting dossiers on Westwood he had seen before buying him in, so I would hardly call the spending last summer a gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on May 15, 2013, 10:22:32 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 12:50:17 AM

I'm determined to get the NRC used as a monetary term!

I'd be very happy if we got just one NRC for bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2013, 12:01:52 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 14, 2013, 11:11:43 PM

Ex-players blah blah.  May the overpaid bunch of prima donna wankers rot on a bench somewhere.  If they wanted to play for Villa they would stil be here, can't we move on?  Honestly, it's like my mate Kev who, when pissed, still cries about the bird he split up with 3 years ago.

Speaking of ex-players, Ashley Young will surely be available this summer and would fit perfectly into one of the wide positions. He excelled with Carew in particular up front so Benteke could benefit hugely from his deliveries.

However he really has been pretty injury prone since leaving Villa Park and unless those injury problems cleared up it would be a no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 12:53:08 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2013, 10:00:16 AM

Give Weimann, Guzan and Benteke new deals now.

Lowton and Westwood too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on May 15, 2013, 12:56:33 PM

I said it about 20 pages back, but I'd ask Milner to come back. It feels like he has unfinished business at Villa Park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 15, 2013, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: LeeS on May 15, 2013, 12:56:33 PM

I said it about 20 pages back, but I'd ask Milner to come back. It feels like he has unfinished business at Villa Park.

Bollocks. It feels like he fucked off at the first sign City came calling with a pay cheque.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 15, 2013, 01:03:03 PM

I'd take Lescott, Alcaraz, Bridcutt, Ince & Wood for starters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on May 15, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 15, 2013, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: LeeS on May 15, 2013, 12:56:33 PM

I said it about 20 pages back, but I'd ask Milner to come back. It feels like he has unfinished business at Villa Park.

Bollocks. It feels like he fucked off at the first sign City came calling with a pay cheque.

And the opportunity to win a couple of trophies and play in the Champions League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 01:08:47 PM

what i am really looking forward to is no being able to guess who our targets might be. I think there is consensus on what we need and who might help immediately, but I tink there is a general feeling amongst Villa fans that e trust this blokes judgement on players. Most of them have worked out really well. I don't think he's blind to what we need and where and I'm sure it will be addressesd. I think it's a myth that he'll only buy young because Vlaar and KEA are more mature players and we had agreed a fee for Dempsey. What I'm really positive about is that whoever we get will improve us, be it in he short term or down the road. The transfer window today is so much better than in recent years past where it was predictable and under MON we knew depressingly it wouldn't happen until the very end.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 15, 2013, 01:09:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 03:07:34 AM

Nice article with Bent. He'll be gone in the summer but in my opinion he's conducted himself well. He says the ridght things here plus an added shot at the noses thrown in

Bent article in the Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-striker-darren-bent-3811739)

Yep this for me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2013, 01:19:04 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 15, 2013, 01:03:03 PM

I'd take Lescott, Alcaraz, Bridcutt, Ince & Wood for starters.

Is that Chris Wood you mean ?

If so, I agree. As a back up to Benteke, he'd be a better bet than Rhodes but either of them would be OK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 01:20:32 PM

I know he is knocking on a bit, and think he signed a new contract last summer, but Wes Hoolahan strikes me as a very underrated player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 15, 2013, 01:22:44 PM

Agree about Hoolahan always rate Pilkington too. Can play anywhere across the park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 01:26:18 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 15, 2013, 01:03:03 PM

I'd take Lescott, Alcaraz, Bridcutt, Ince & Wood for starters.

the thing about the likes of Bridcutt, Ince and Wood is that they are all known players and in England that means lower league sides will want astronomical fees for them. If we know one thing it is that Villa's scouts are trying to unearth the next Ince and Bridcutt before their price rockets. Be it in the UK or abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 01:28:47 PM

Alcaraz? How would a guy just relegated in a side who conceded, incredibly, even more than us help?

Ince and Bridcutt I agree, but as said about, they will be very expensive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 15, 2013, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 15, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 15, 2013, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: LeeS on May 15, 2013, 12:56:33 PM

I said it about 20 pages back, but I'd ask Milner to come back. It feels like he has unfinished business at Villa Park.

Bollocks. It feels like he fucked off at the first sign City came calling with a pay cheque.

And the opportunity to win a couple of trophies and play in the Champions League.

Of course. Gareth Barry moved for those reasons too, yet stayed for 10 years and is vilified. Whilst I think Milner is a great player, I really don't get the pining for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 15, 2013, 01:32:33 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 15, 2013, 01:19:04 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 15, 2013, 01:03:03 PM

I'd take Lescott, Alcaraz, Bridcutt, Ince & Wood for starters.

Is that Chris Wood you mean ?

If so, I agree. As a back up to Benteke, he'd be a better bet than Rhodes but either of them would be OK.

I do. I like the look of him whenever I've seen him play. Ideal back up to Benteke in our 4-3-3 formation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 15, 2013, 01:36:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 01:28:47 PM

Alcaraz? How would a guy just relegated in a side who conceded, incredibly, even more than us help?

Because he plays alongside the likes of Caldwell and Boyce? ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 01:39:48 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 15, 2013, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on May 15, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 15, 2013, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: LeeS on May 15, 2013, 12:56:33 PM

I said it about 20 pages back, but I'd ask Milner to come back. It feels like he has unfinished business at Villa Park.

Bollocks. It feels like he fucked off at the first sign City came calling with a pay cheque.

And the opportunity to win a couple of trophies and play in the Champions League.

Of course. Gareth Barry moved for those reasons too, yet stayed for 10 years and is vilified. Whilst I think Milner is a great player, I really don't get the pining for him.

Barry isn't vilified because he left. He gets stick because of the manner in which he left.

Even now, just thinking about that "please let me fulfil my dream at Liverpool" Evening Mail front page makes me want to puke.

He was here a long time, but let's also not forget that, for the majority of that time (ie pre 2006) hardly anyone would have been banging at our door to get him. Didn't he actually want to join Portsmouth at one point, too?

Have to say, I thought O'Neill handled Barry excellently, getting that extra season out of him, and still decent cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2013, 01:43:07 PM

Barry didn't handle himself as well as either Young or Milner did and they weren't 'club men' in the same way that he ought to have been.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 01:44:16 PM

Barry wanted to leave more than once before MON was manager, then came THAT interview about Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 15, 2013, 01:47:27 PM

Callum MacMannaman

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 15, 2013, 01:54:34 PM

I think my point is that just because Milner (and Young) didn't dribble all over the press about leaving, it doesn't take away from the fact that he buggered off after two seasons to a team who at the time hadn't won a bean for a fat pay cheque. He has no 'unfinished business' with us at all, and I don't get that some people still hold a candle for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 01:58:20 PM

And since buggering off there, he's won the Cup and the League.

It's hard to deny he was right to go there. Almost all players would have done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Ash has disappeared a bit up at Man U also and with Moyes coming in maybe he'll ship him out because he scored THAT goal against him at Goodison...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 15, 2013, 02:02:51 PM

What goal was that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 15, 2013, 02:03:21 PM

I reckon Chris Wood would be good as a back-up to Weimann and Benteke. Plus it would really piss off the Boggies if he started scoring a few for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 02:13:52 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 15, 2013, 02:02:51 PM

What goal was that?

The goal that made MON describe him as 'world-class' post-match ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 15, 2013, 03:27:45 PM

i'd go for - in my ignorant players that I know way -

Lescott
McManaman
Maloney
McArthur (or McArthy can't remember the better one)
Murphy (Crewe)
Kone

And I'll allow Lambert to go and get lots of other players that I don't know that turn out to be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2013, 03:58:39 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2013, 01:44:16 PM

Barry wanted to leave more than once before MON was manager, then came THAT interview about Liverpool.

I remember THAT interview. There was a big picture of him looking a bit sorry for himself and him saying that he would only leave for Champions League Football. I hope he enjoyed the group stages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 15, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

According to the B'ham Mail, Paul Lambert is linked to Hull full back James Chester who has a year left on his contract. He's a former Man U youngster.

Anyone seen him and know if he's any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 15, 2013, 04:02:02 PM

Hull were promoted on the strength of their defence as they barely scored more than a goal a game at times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 04:04:29 PM

He is a centre half, and apparently decent on the ball, but not the biggest. Hull fans liken him to Fabio Cannavaro quite amusingly according to a press report this morning. Beyond that, he plays for Hull and ... erm... he is called James..... no reported link between Chester the place and his name though you never know.... urm...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on May 15, 2013, 04:09:22 PM

The thing with wanting players from Man City is the new manager coming in will spout off about a clean slate and players like Lescott & Sinclair will want to wait until the new guy has been there a bit to see if they have a chance to play. Could mean that they wouldn't be available until late in the window, and I would prefer to have the bulk of our business done early on (or at least have the targets identified & an idea of how much chance of getting them we have so we can move on to the next option quickly if need be).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on May 15, 2013, 04:12:12 PM

I'm getting the feeling that, after last sumer's transfer activity, we are going to be linked to any player aged 19 to 21 who has put in a couple of decent performances over the last month or so in Division 3 or 4 - sorry, I just can't bring myself to refer to them by whatever they are known now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on May 15, 2013, 04:22:26 PM

Quote from: fbriai on May 15, 2013, 04:12:12 PM

I'm getting the feeling that, after last sumer's transfer activity, we are going to be linked to any player aged 19 to 21 who has put in a couple of decent performances over the last month or so in Division 3 or 4 - sorry, I just can't bring myself to refer to them by whatever they are known now.

As you speak , fbriai .....this from that respected organ , The Peterborough Telegraph .......Godzvilla!

 " Villa join the hunt for Posh star ....Aston Villa have been linked with a £4 million move for Peterborough United striker Dwight Gayle today (May 14).


Reports suggest that Villa boss Paul Lambert wants to add another young English talent to his squad. He could make his move as soon as Villa confirm their Premier League status for another season, which would happen tonight if Wigan fail to win at Arsenal.

Newly-relegated QPR are also understood to be tracking Gayle. QPR boss Harry Redknapp watched the 22 year-old striker in action on the final day of the last Championship season at Crystal Palace.

Gayle’s stock is currently high having scored 13 goals in 27 appearances in his first season in the Championship.

Posh paid Dagenham & Redbridge just £500,000 for Gayle in January following a successful two-month loan spell at London Road.

Posh are understood to want more than £4 million for Gayle " .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on May 15, 2013, 04:27:46 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on May 15, 2013, 04:22:26 PM

Quote from: fbriai on May 15, 2013, 04:12:12 PM

I'm getting the feeling that, after last sumer's transfer activity, we are going to be linked to any player aged 19 to 21 who has put in a couple of decent performances over the last month or so in Division 3 or 4 - sorry, I just can't bring myself to refer to them by whatever they are known now.

As you speak , fbriai .....this from that respected organ , The Peterborough Telegraph .......Godzvilla!

 " Villa join the hunt for Posh star ....Aston Villa have been linked with a £4 million move for Peterborough United striker Dwight Gayle today (May 14).

Brilliant, Godzvilla!

What's the saying? 'You can take Peterborough out of Barry Fry, but you can't take the Barry Fry out of Peterborough'?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on May 15, 2013, 04:57:32 PM

James Chester; centre half, very good player, a tad small, but is easily a top 8 prem player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2013, 05:29:20 PM

Someone like Gayle might be worth a punt at 2 million say. At 4, no thank you. He's done well at Pete Boro. but they've gone down, so they certainly can't demand top dollar. 2 million return on a player who cost 500k should be ample for a club that size.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 06:08:32 PM

It's funny because many Peterborough fans actually feel 4m is too low. I've heard some demanding as high as 7m! I think someone needs to remind them that they are a League One club now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 06:13:11 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on May 15, 2013, 04:22:26 PM

Quote from: fbriai on May 15, 2013, 04:12:12 PM

I'm getting the feeling that, after last sumer's transfer activity, we are going to be linked to any player aged 19 to 21 who has put in a couple of decent performances over the last month or so in Division 3 or 4 - sorry, I just can't bring myself to refer to them by whatever they are known now.

As you speak , fbriai .....this from that respected organ , The Peterborough Telegraph .......Godzvilla!

 " Villa join the hunt for Posh star ....Aston Villa have been linked with a £4 million move for Peterborough United striker Dwight Gayle today (May 14).


Reports suggest that Villa boss Paul Lambert wants to add another young English talent to his squad. He could make his move as soon as Villa confirm their Premier League status for another season, which would happen tonight if Wigan fail to win at Arsenal.

Newly-relegated QPR are also understood to be tracking Gayle. QPR boss Harry Redknapp watched the 22 year-old striker in action on the final day of the last Championship season at Crystal Palace.

Gayle’s stock is currently high having scored 13 goals in 27 appearances in his first season in the Championship.

Posh paid Dagenham & Redbridge just £500,000 for Gayle in January following a successful two-month loan spell at London Road.

Posh are understood to want more than £4 million for Gayle " .

Dwight is a great old name but 500k in Jan to 4m now they are having a laugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM

As opposed to £7m last summer and £30m now?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on May 15, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

A valid point, but I must add that as far as domestication of animals is concerned parts of Birmingham leave much to be desired, with feral drug dogs running rampant and bejeweled, tattooed Small Heathens lurching from one lamppost to the next spliffing skunk and drinking from weirdly glowing tins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 07:12:17 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM

As opposed to £7m last summer and £30m now?

Who has done it in the top level in Belgium for 2 years, at International level and now in the Prem.

Besides, that is only 4 times his fee, this guy they are talking 8!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2013, 07:15:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 01:28:47 PM

Alcaraz? How would a guy just relegated in a side who conceded, incredibly, even more than us help?

Ince and Bridcutt I agree, but as said about, they will be very expensive.

dont knowmuch about Bridutt , he looked awful the other night . Bolaise of Palace thou , I like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2013, 07:17:37 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 06:08:32 PM

It's funny because many Peterborough fans actually feel 4m is too low. I've heard some demanding as high as 7m! I think someone needs to remind them that they are a League One club now.

tSport's Durham said he would snap villas hand off for 4 million

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 07:31:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2013, 07:17:37 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 06:08:32 PM

It's funny because many Peterborough fans actually feel 4m is too low. I've heard some demanding as high as 7m! I think someone needs to remind them that they are a League One club now.

tSport's Durham said he would snap villas hand off for 4 million

Yeah fair play to him, seems to have started to talk a bit of sense recently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2013, 07:46:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2013, 07:15:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 01:28:47 PM

Alcaraz? How would a guy just relegated in a side who conceded, incredibly, even more than us help?

Ince and Bridcutt I agree, but as said about, they will be very expensive.

dont knowmuch about Bridutt , he looked awful the other night . Bolaise of Palace thou , I like him.

I like him as well, though I might be biased because (I think) he scored against B-lose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2013, 07:53:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2013, 07:12:17 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM

As opposed to £7m last summer and £30m now?

Who has done it in the top level in Belgium for 2 years, at International level and now in the Prem.

Besides, that is only 4 times his fee, this guy they are talking 8!

Just saying that it's risky to judge a player based on what someone says he's worth. Firstly, the seller will always over-inflate the price to try and get the best deal after negotiation and for anyone who hasn't seen him, they might have unearthed a star for all we know. Unlikely as that may be.

Blimey that Chelsea physio's fit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 15, 2013, 07:54:54 PM

Please Please can we give up and move on from NRC and Milner no matter how many times it is mentioned it is never going to happen. PL will already have a big list of players he has been watching and i cannot wait to see who he approaches in the next few months ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 07:55:10 PM

Still wouldn't mind a Bid for Redmond. Are SHA still in such financial trouble that they would sell him on the cheap?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 07:55:33 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2013, 07:53:21 PM

Blimey that Chelsea physio's fit.

I was just thinking exactly the same thing.

She looks a bit like whatserface from The Good Wife (who spent half a series of The Sopranos shagging Tony).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2013, 07:58:27 PM

Chelsea will be having a new manager and a clearout. Reckon we could tempt Cahill back?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 08:01:37 PM

I realised this afternoon that I'd almost completely forgotten Bret Holman plays for us.

For all the involvement they get, there are a number of high wage players we could shed and replace with no discernible effect (whilst acknowledging we need squad strength).

Holman
Ireland
Bannan (more recent this one, mind)
Given
Makoun (does he still belong to us?)
Warnock
Hutton
Bent
Dunne
KEA (border line this one)

and, although lower wage:

Delfouneso
Albrighton

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 08:02:14 PM

Quote from: TonyD on May 15, 2013, 07:58:27 PM

Chelsea will be having a new manager and a clearout. Reckon we could tempt Cahill back?

Every time I've seen him of late, he's been gash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 15, 2013, 08:03:38 PM

http://i40.tinypic.com/142r5nm.jpg

Check that out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2013, 08:06:18 PM

Now we know why John Terry's always injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 15, 2013, 08:06:41 PM

We should look at European team with quality playmakers and identify the club who will need Darren Bent upfront and then do a deal for the playmaker.

I wonder how long it will take before we see first departure or signing. We know about Petrov already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2013, 08:11:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on May 15, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

A valid point, but I must add that as far as domestication of animals is concerned parts of Birmingham leave much to be desired, with feral drug dogs running rampant and bejeweled, tattooed Small Heathens lurching from one lamppost to the next spliffing skunk and drinking from weirdly glowing tins.

Ah, the voice of experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:38:48 PM

Without adding anything positive to the thread, can I just say that Kone is shit and I can't believe so many have suggested him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:41:01 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

Indeed, A47 is less a road, and more of a time machine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2013, 08:43:51 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:41:01 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

Indeed, A47 is less a road, and more of a time machine.

With the relative proximity of Bodymoor Heath to the airport, it'd probably take months just to get them not to stop what they are doing in training and point at planes every ten minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:38:48 PM

Without adding anything positive to the thread, can I just say that Kone is shit and I can't believe so many have suggested him.

I quite like that West Ham midfielder.  Mark somebody.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 15, 2013, 08:48:35 PM

Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:38:48 PM

Without adding anything positive to the thread, can I just say that Kone is shit and I can't believe so many have suggested him.

I quite like that West Ham midfielder.  Mark somebody.....

Mark somebody...? Isn't that just the most frequent shout at Warnock, Dunne and Bennett in recent times??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:52:15 PM

Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 15, 2013, 08:38:48 PM

Without adding anything positive to the thread, can I just say that Kone is shit and I can't believe so many have suggested him.

I quite like that West Ham midfielder.  Mark somebody.....

Lol.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2013, 09:22:25 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on May 15, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

A valid point, but I must add that as far as domestication of animals is concerned parts of Birmingham leave much to be desired, with feral drug dogs running rampant and bejeweled, tattooed Small Heathens lurching from one lamppost to the next spliffing skunk and drinking from weirdly glowing tins.

Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 15, 2013, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 15, 2013, 09:22:25 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on May 15, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2013, 06:49:51 PM

Any player coming from Peterborough needs to be introduced very gently to the outside world. Wheeled vehicles, the domestication of animals, that kind of thing.

A valid point, but I must add that as far as domestication of animals is concerned parts of Birmingham leave much to be desired, with feral drug dogs running rampant and bejeweled, tattooed Small Heathens lurching from one lamppost to the next spliffing skunk and drinking from weirdly glowing tins.

Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats
And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes

Was this when the Dame was experimenting with scissors and bit of papers ? As Mr Baker says ' Dear old Dame ' .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 09:48:57 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 15, 2013, 08:06:41 PM

We should look at European team with quality playmakers and identify the club who will need Darren Bent upfront and then do a deal for the playmaker.

English players are never really popular with European clubs though. I think we will only be able to sell him to another Premiership team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 16, 2013, 01:13:24 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 15, 2013, 08:03:38 PM

http://i40.tinypic.com/142r5nm.jpg

Check that out

Its not her

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 16, 2013, 01:30:03 AM

Quote from: manic-road on May 15, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

According to the B'ham Mail, Paul Lambert is linked to Hull full back James Chester who has a year left on his contract. He's a former Man U youngster.

Anyone seen him and know if he's any good?

Like others have said he is a CB and we have been linked with him before.  Can't really see himleaving Hull now they have been promoted, but he looks a decent player and is comfortable in possession.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 01:35:22 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 07:55:10 PM

Still wouldn't mind a Bid for Redmond. Are SHA still in such financial trouble that they would sell him on the cheap?

I think he is nailed on to leave due to their finances, apparently anyone they can get good money for will go. I would have him like a shot, think he is an excellent prospect and would add depth to the forward line.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2013, 01:52:33 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 16, 2013, 01:30:03 AM

Quote from: manic-road on May 15, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

According to the B'ham Mail, Paul Lambert is linked to Hull full back James Chester who has a year left on his contract. He's a former Man U youngster.

Anyone seen him and know if he's any good?

Like others have said he is a CB and we have been linked with him before.  Can't really see himleaving Hull now they have been promoted, but he looks a decent player and is comfortable in possession.

I think we now have a new pulling power where talented young players are concerned. Much has been made throughout the season of how young our squad is and more recently how it's all coming together. Add to that the type of football we try to play, any decent player who's "comfortable in possession" will see us as a team moving in the right direction and going places.

A win on Sunday to help us climb up a few places, hopefully to 11th, will give any potential signing something to seriously think about this summer, not just here but also in Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 01:53:22 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 01:35:22 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 07:55:10 PM

Still wouldn't mind a Bid for Redmond. Are SHA still in such financial trouble that they would sell him on the cheap?

I think he is nailed on to leave due to their finances, apparently anyone they can get good money for will go. I would have him like a shot, think he is an excellent prospect and would add depth to the forward line.

Not to mention our moral responsibility to save a Villa fan (most people say he is one) from having to put on that blue rag week-in, week-out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 AM

I think that in terms of new players, a really good centre back is my top priority. Just not sure who. Lescott would be great but not for silly money. Can't really see us getting anyone from citeh.

Other than that I'm a bit stumped for ideas. There have been good defenders to emerge from the championship - lescott, Dawson, jagielka - and that might be our best bet? Alternatively a better version of vlaar - a proven international - would be a good shout. Someone like Aldereweild - but I'm not sure we have the pulling power.

Of the three teams to go down, it's only Wigan that look ripe for pickings, but unless its Figueroa as a squad option I wouldn't look at their defenders! Mcmananan or McCarthy would be good signings, though I wonder if mcmanaman is this seasons albrighton / McLean . .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 AM

I think that in terms of new players, a really good centre back is my top priority. Just not sure who. Lescott would be great but not for silly money. Can't really see us getting anyone from citeh.

Other than that I'm a bit stumped for ideas. There have been good defenders to emerge from the championship - lescott, Dawson, jagielka - and that might be our best bet? Alternatively a better version of vlaar - a proven international - would be a good shout. Someone like Aldereweild - but I'm not sure we have the pulling power.

Of the three teams to go down, it's only Wigan that look ripe for pickings, but unless its Figueroa as a squad option I wouldn't look at their defenders! Mcmananan or McCarthy would be good signings, though I wonder if mcmanaman is this seasons albrighton / McLean . .

McManaman is nothing special, certainly no better than Albrighton was playing for a time. The Mclean comparison is a good one.

McCarthy is worth looking at but I think Whelan will be after 10m plus for anyone under a long contract, so there is little point.

I wonder what QPR will do with the likes of Samba.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2013, 08:58:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 AM

I think that in terms of new players, a really good centre back is my top priority. Just not sure who. Lescott would be great but not for silly money. Can't really see us getting anyone from citeh.

Other than that I'm a bit stumped for ideas. There have been good defenders to emerge from the championship - lescott, Dawson, jagielka - and that might be our best bet? Alternatively a better version of vlaar - a proven international - would be a good shout. Someone like Aldereweild - but I'm not sure we have the pulling power.

Of the three teams to go down, it's only Wigan that look ripe for pickings, but unless its Figueroa as a squad option I wouldn't look at their defenders! Mcmananan or McCarthy would be good signings, though I wonder if mcmanaman is this seasons albrighton / McLean . .

McManaman is nothing special, certainly no better than Albrighton was playing for a time. The Mclean comparison is a good one.

McCarthy is worth looking at but I think Whelan will be after 10m plus for anyone under a long contract, so there is little point.

I wonder what QPR will do with the likes of Samba.

My guess is Samba will stay there and take his £120k a week

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 09:07:50 AM

What a bad signing that was! Badly run club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 16, 2013, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2013, 08:58:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 AM

I think that in terms of new players, a really good centre back is my top priority. Just not sure who. Lescott would be great but not for silly money. Can't really see us getting anyone from citeh.

Other than that I'm a bit stumped for ideas. There have been good defenders to emerge from the championship - lescott, Dawson, jagielka - and that might be our best bet? Alternatively a better version of vlaar - a proven international - would be a good shout. Someone like Aldereweild - but I'm not sure we have the pulling power.

Of the three teams to go down, it's only Wigan that look ripe for pickings, but unless its Figueroa as a squad option I wouldn't look at their defenders! Mcmananan or McCarthy would be good signings, though I wonder if mcmanaman is this seasons albrighton / McLean . .

McManaman is nothing special, certainly no better than Albrighton was playing for a time. The Mclean comparison is a good one.

McCarthy is worth looking at but I think Whelan will be after 10m plus for anyone under a long contract, so there is little point.

I wonder what QPR will do with the likes of Samba.

My guess is Samba will stay there and take his £120k a week

I've heard the poor lamb has to take a 50% paycut to £60k a week.  I bet he's worrying where his next meal will come from.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but some of the outpouring on here that we weren't signing him, or Scharner, was comical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2013, 10:23:34 AM

QPR will be trying to shift almost their entire squad. Almost none of their first team players actually genuinely want to be there. It's probably the worst example of mercenary mentality in football right now. All that, and they've still got Barton spouting off on a weekly basis, twisting the knife into the club that owns him.

The players the have that do bust a gut and try, like Hill and Mackie are championship quality, so keeping that lot, and possibly Zamora who might do well if he stays fit and they can stabalise. I don't think they'll be back up.

Redknapp will be off like a shot if any of the vacant jobs give him a hint they're after him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2013, 10:30:31 AM

I'm quite excited about this summer to see who we bring in, I think we'll really progress. The first and most important thing is to get Benteke, Weimann, Westy, Guzan and Lowton tied down to long term deals as they deserve improved terms.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2013, 10:31:56 AM

I'm sure I read none of the QPR players had relegation clauses in their contracts as they expected champions league..larf

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2013, 11:12:21 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 01:35:22 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 15, 2013, 07:55:10 PM

Still wouldn't mind a Bid for Redmond. Are SHA still in such financial trouble that they would sell him on the cheap?

I think he is nailed on to leave due to their finances, apparently anyone they can get good money for will go. I would have him like a shot, think he is an excellent prospect and would add depth to the forward line.

He would be like our Raheem Sterling .  Not play every game of course but great for bringing off the bench and a great prospect . And would piss the nose lot off ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2013, 11:16:25 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2013, 10:23:34 AM

QPR will be trying to shift almost their entire squad. Almost none of their first team players actually genuinely want to be there. It's probably the worst example of mercenary mentality in football right now. All that, and they've still got Barton spouting off on a weekly basis, twisting the knife into the club that owns him.

The players the have that do bust a gut and try, like Hill and Mackie are championship quality, so keeping that lot, and possibly Zamora who might do well if he stays fit and they can stabalise. I don't think they'll be back up.

Redknapp will be off like a shot if any of the vacant jobs give him a hint they're after him.

bet he had stayed away at the time now and waited, could have got the Everton job .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2013, 11:37:21 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2013, 10:30:31 AM

I'm quite excited about this summer to see who we bring in, I think we'll really progress. The first and most important thing is to get Benteke, Weimann, Westy, Guzan and Lowton tied down to long term deals as they deserve improved terms.

For sure.  Secure what we already have before adding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 16, 2013, 11:41:32 AM

Believe me Small Heath don't rate Redmond as much as you would think. His mum is a mad Villa fan that's where the rumours are from. He supports Arsenal. For me a 2million gamble at best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2013, 11:51:43 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2013, 11:16:25 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2013, 10:23:34 AM

QPR will be trying to shift almost their entire squad. Almost none of their first team players actually genuinely want to be there. It's probably the worst example of mercenary mentality in football right now. All that, and they've still got Barton spouting off on a weekly basis, twisting the knife into the club that owns him.

The players the have that do bust a gut and try, like Hill and Mackie are championship quality, so keeping that lot, and possibly Zamora who might do well if he stays fit and they can stabalise. I don't think they'll be back up.

Redknapp will be off like a shot if any of the vacant jobs give him a hint they're after him.

bet he had stayed away at the time now and waited, could have got the Everton job .

Maybe even City.
I think deep down Redknapp will feel he's in with a shout for both gigs, but the reality is, he probably won't get a second thought for either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2013, 12:05:45 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 16, 2013, 11:41:32 AM

Believe me Small Heath don't rate Redmond as much as you would think. His mum is a mad Villa fan that's where the rumours are from. He supports Arsenal. For me a 2million gamble at best.

He's some of my kids' cousin. He's Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 16, 2013, 12:39:09 PM

Shouldn't listen to Small Heath Fans.. Worth a gamble Percy?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 12:58:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:19:50 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2013, 11:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2013, 11:07:32 PM

Not convinced about Barry coming back. He's 32, never the quickest or most mobile even when he was a youngster he's only going to get slower i'd have thought. And on hefty £ as well. Too short term for me, and i'd have thought Lambert as well.

Not sure. The lesson this year has to be the balance and we lack experience big time. Even with Barry and Lescott we'd still be a very young side as a whole. They'd be perfect in my opinion., but Citeh wages mean it won't happen.

I'd be happier with Lescott than Barry, but ultimately an experienced player doesn't have to be a 32 year old fat fella with the turning circle of the QEII, taking a last pay day from a club he couldn't wait to leave. Plus he has an arse so big that David Platt often gets in his rocket to visit it.

Barry is still good enough to be a regular for the second best team in the country. He's more than good enough for us for the next two or three years. Would take his composure and technical ability over Milner's huff and puff despite the age difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 16, 2013, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 AM

I think that in terms of new players, a really good centre back is my top priority. Just not sure who. Lescott would be great but not for silly money. Can't really see us getting anyone from citeh.

Other than that I'm a bit stumped for ideas. There have been good defenders to emerge from the championship - lescott, Dawson, jagielka - and that might be our best bet? Alternatively a better version of vlaar - a proven international - would be a good shout. Someone like Aldereweild - but I'm not sure we have the pulling power.

Of the three teams to go down, it's only Wigan that look ripe for pickings, but unless its Figueroa as a squad option I wouldn't look at their defenders! Mcmananan or McCarthy would be good signings, though I wonder if mcmanaman is this seasons albrighton / McLean . .

McManaman is nothing special, certainly no better than Albrighton was playing for a time. The Mclean comparison is a good one.

McCarthy is worth looking at but I think Whelan will be after 10m plus for anyone under a long contract, so there is little point.

I wonder what QPR will do with the likes of Samba.

Ask for their money back ::)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 16, 2013, 05:04:15 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 16, 2013, 12:39:09 PM

Shouldn't listen to Small Heath Fans.. Worth a gamble Percy?

Dunno, maybe. His family would be chuffed. His aunt said to me 'he's doing well - it's a shame he plays for them'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2013, 06:01:04 PM

Barry would be good enough but not right for us now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2013, 06:38:37 PM

I think Barry would be a really good signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 16, 2013, 11:41:32 AM

Believe me Small Heath don't rate Redmond as much as you would think. His mum is a mad Villa fan that's where the rumours are from. He supports Arsenal. For me a 2million gamble at best.

But many Noses don't seem to rate Butland either whilst everyone else does seem to. Is their opinion to be trusted?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2013, 07:17:10 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2013, 06:01:04 PM

Barry would be good enough but not right for us now.

This. For me, he'd take Westwoods place. I'd rather keep Westy in the starting 11, developing into the superb midfielder he's showing all the signs of becoming.
I'd rather get Milner for his energy and goals that he'd add to the side. Give him a proper season in centre midfield and he'll be one of the best midfielders in the league again, like he was in his last season here. In all honesty, if Moyes fancied, he should be getting Milney in his midfield for Utd.
I wouldn't complain if Barry came back mind you, as long as it doesn't affect the development of Westwood in particular, and the team balance. He's not gonna come to us to sit on our bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 07:49:36 PM

Can't really see the point of Barry other than for his experience. In that case buy someone 4 years younger. Anyway from what Lambert's been saying its very unlikely we'd be able to afford Barry or anyone of his ilk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

Lambert has just said 'no big signings' anyway. So that should end the clamour for the likes of Barry and Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2013, 07:57:45 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

Lambert has just said 'no big signings' anyway. So that should end the clamour for the likes of Barry and Lescott.

Where did he say that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 07:58:53 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22556883

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 16, 2013, 08:02:17 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

Lambert has just said 'no big signings' anyway. So that should end the clamour for the likes of Barry and Lescott.

Depends what he means by 'big signings' - big name signings, big fee signings?. If he means we aren't going to go out and spend £18m on a Darren Bent, which I think is what he's saying, then I think we all knew that anyway. If we picked up Lescott or Barry for a few million, I'm not sure that would be the same thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2013, 08:02:20 PM

Define what a 'big signing' is. If those days are behind us, it didn't stop us from finding and buying Benteke for £7m. I would be quite happy for a few more of that standard.

Also, loved this quote - "I look at players with character, not those who just want money."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 08:09:28 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 16, 2013, 08:02:20 PM

Define what a 'big signing' is. If those days are behind us, it didn't stop us from finding and buying Benteke for £7m. I would be quite happy for a few more of that standard.

Also, loved this quote - "I look at players with character, not those who just want money."

well its all about the wages still so Benteke while relatively expensive, was not a big signing wages wise because he was unproven. Nor was any of his other signings. But people already on 40k plus (probably the majority of the sort of players we'd want in the premier) won't happen. Better hope he keeps up his record of finding diamonds in the rough and not polished glass.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 16, 2013, 08:10:11 PM

More young-uns and continental signings its looks like then, i dont have a problem with that, most of his signings have paid off, and now they all have a year under their belts, so should be even better then.

A hungry up and coming centre back should be a must, a clone of Laursen if possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 08:15:29 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 07:58:53 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22556883

Right, this thread will end up a lot shorter and more meaningful, if that link is quoted every time anyone mentions a known Premier League player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 08:22:16 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 08:15:29 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 07:58:53 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22556883

Right, this thread will end up a lot shorter and more meaningful, if that link is quoted every time anyone mentions a known Premier League player.

heh. aye.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed? I wonder if that is an issue at all in his modus operandi and the purse strings are just an easy answer to dampen all expectations. His ability, and confidence in himself, to manage experienced, proven players is surely open to debate due to his past working at a lower level and the fact that he's not exactly got the best out of those here mentioned above..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 16, 2013, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed?

Dunne or Grant Holt, what a tag team theyd make.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 08:30:05 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed? I wonder if that is an issue at all in his modus operandi and the purse strings are just an easy answer to dampen all expectations. His ability, and confidence in himself, to manage experienced, proven players is surely open to debate due to his past working at a lower level and the fact that he's not exactly got the best out of those here mentioned above..

To be honest i don't think its a case of Lambert not being able to handle big names. It's just how it is with Lerner now - he won't pay big wages until he's knows they'll perform for us. I don't agree with it myself but you can see his point after the crap we've spent the last 3 years trying to offload.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 08:31:12 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 16, 2013, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed?

Dunne or Grant Holt, what a tag team theyd make.

He had Jermaine Easter at Wycombe. Scored against Chelsea in a League Cup semi final.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2013, 08:32:04 PM

I don't think that should necessarily discount experienced players though. Or I'd hope not. We need a bit more experience at the back. As long as we buy from a good standard, or find a very well scouted player. We could do with a new Laursen that's for sure.
Much as I think Lescott would be a great signing, I don't think it'll happen in a million years. If we can find Julians Dutch cousin, Van Lescott, that might work.
I think at least it seems that Lambo has found his system and has got us looking good going forward. A few inspired signings and we'll be good next season I feel, whether we sign the likes of Lescott or not.
We need better centre halves for sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2013, 08:39:07 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed? I wonder if that is an issue at all in his modus operandi and the purse strings are just an easy answer to dampen all expectations. His ability, and confidence in himself, to manage experienced, proven players is surely open to debate due to his past working at a lower level and the fact that he's not exactly got the best out of those here mentioned above..

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Who is the biggest player Lambert has managed? I wonder if that is an issue at all in his modus operandi and the purse strings are just an easy answer to dampen all expectations. His ability, and confidence in himself, to manage experienced, proven players is surely open to debate due to his past working at a lower level and the fact that he's not exactly got the best out of those here mentioned above..

Not big doesn't necessarily mean unproven.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 08:45:18 PM

I assume a 'big signing' is more about wages then the fee. Benteke was about 7-8m but is reported to be on 20k p/w. So we can expect a signing (or two) in the 8-10m bracket but he won't command big wages. Can't say I'm upset with that to be honest. I trust Lambert to improve the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:52:52 PM

the big difference between this summer and last is that we have had a chance to see Lambert's ability to find players in the market and can trust his judgement. His strategy will likely be quite similar this summer and the players will be varied based on what he needs. The criteria of motivated to be at Villa Park will be paramount irrespective of who we sign which can only be a good thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

You sound like the materialistic straw-clutching wife of a millionaire who has gone bust, yet she still wants supercars, mansions and Michelin starred dindins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:02:04 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

You sound like the materialistic straw-clutching wife of a millionaire who has gone bust, yet she still wants supercars, mansions and Michelin starred dindins.

I have no idea what you're on about

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:03:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:02:04 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

You sound like the materialistic straw-clutching wife of a millionaire who has gone bust, yet she still wants supercars, mansions and Michelin starred dindins.

I have no idea what you're on about

Nor would she.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 16, 2013, 09:27:50 PM

I'm not too disheartened. If we managed to sign an attacking player as good as Benteke (which we surely can't expect of course) and players as good as Westwood and Lowton, even a centre half of similar calibre to Vlaar, we'd be much better than this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2013, 09:29:25 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2013, 08:32:04 PM

I don't think that should necessarily discount experienced players though. Or I'd hope not. We need a bit more experience at the back. As long as we buy from a good standard, or find a very well scouted player. We could do with a new Laursen that's for sure.
Much as I think Lescott would be a great signing, I don't think it'll happen in a million years. If we can find Julians Dutch cousin, Van Lescott, that might work.
I think at least it seems that Lambo has found his system and has got us looking good going forward. A few inspired signings and we'll be good next season I feel, whether we sign the likes of Lescott or not.
We need better centre halves for sure.

That's the key i think. If Lambert buys a Div1 or championship centre-half this summer i'll be worried, but there's plenty of foreign players with experience, but in the 15-25k wages bracket who could possibly come here and do a job. The english eqavilent like Lescott on god knows how much is not going to happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:29:35 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:03:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:02:04 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

You sound like the materialistic straw-clutching wife of a millionaire who has gone bust, yet she still wants supercars, mansions and Michelin starred dindins.

I have no idea what you're on about

Nor would she.

you on drugs?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:29:35 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:03:33 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:02:04 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:00:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 08:34:48 PM

don't read too much into this. Please recall that we agreed a fee for Dempsey who is an established PL player at the time was 29, and has been pointed out we bought Benteke, unproven for £7m. If our signings are of that ilk then I'm perfectly fine with that. If it means the days of Darren Bent at £18m are over than that's understandable. What I am fully behind is finding players that want to play for the club. Lescott or similar can still fit what the club is looking for because he will be worth the money they pay for him and pay to him.

You sound like the materialistic straw-clutching wife of a millionaire who has gone bust, yet she still wants supercars, mansions and Michelin starred dindins.

I have no idea what you're on about

Nor would she.

you on drugs?

A spot of Lemsip once every winter. The occasional Ibuprofen. You?  And what has that got to do with understanding what Mr Lambert is saying?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:44:54 PM

paul, I really cannot be arsed with a quotathon about nothing. If you wish to contest something I've said feel free. If you want to talk bollocks or in riddle then find a mirror.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:55:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:44:54 PM

paul, I really cannot be arsed with a quotathon about nothing. If you wish to contest something I've said feel free. If you want to talk bollocks or in riddle then find a mirror.

Plenty of mirrors here, but no wish to do either, thanks. Contesting something you said, without the subtle pleasures of similies, analogies, metaphors nor wit, Villa will not be signing any Lescotts nor Dempseys.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 10:02:32 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Disagree. This season Lambert effectively changed the entire team with Gabby the only player who could be deemed experienced at this level. The others were either new to the league or had never had a sustained run in the first team. Next season the general core of the team will remain the same, will continue to evolve and I'm sure Lambert will make a few well-judged signings to both complement and enhance the squad. There is absolutely no reason next season will be a repeat of this one just because we won't be getting any 'names' as you put it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 10:04:16 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:55:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:44:54 PM

paul, I really cannot be arsed with a quotathon about nothing. If you wish to contest something I've said feel free. If you want to talk bollocks or in riddle then find a mirror.

Plenty of mirrors here, but no wish to do either, thanks. Contesting something you said, without the subtle pleasures of similies, analogies, metaphors nor wit, Villa will not be signing any Lescotts nor Dempseys.

fuck me, I'm glad we got that sorted out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CAitken on May 16, 2013, 10:16:17 PM

I'm not disheartened by this at all, quite the opposite in fact. Since Jan 1st we are 6th on form, a few more young hungry quality youngsters and we'll be looking at 7th or 8th. After Sunday we could be just 5 points behind the yam yams who are 8th it's not much to make up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 10:25:03 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 10:04:16 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2013, 09:55:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2013, 09:44:54 PM

paul, I really cannot be arsed with a quotathon about nothing. If you wish to contest something I've said feel free. If you want to talk bollocks or in riddle then find a mirror.

Plenty of mirrors here, but no wish to do either, thanks. Contesting something you said, without the subtle pleasures of similies, analogies, metaphors nor wit, Villa will not be signing any Lescotts nor Dempseys.

fuck me, I'm glad we got that sorted out

Me too. Saved a fortune, by cancelling the kids' planned Toronto schooling fees.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2013, 11:20:08 PM

I wouldn't read anything much into that statement other than we're not going to be mugged off by mercenaries anymore, which is exactly what I want to hear and exactly why we were in a bit of a mess. Lambert will be after p,ayers that will genuinely improve us. If they're not a household name i couldn't give a fuck. The mantra is- if you want the big bucks, earn them. Can't wait for him to get cracking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 16, 2013, 11:27:34 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2013, 11:20:08 PM

I wouldn't read anything much into that statement other than we're not going to be mugged off by mercenaries anymore, which is exactly what I want to hear and exactly why we were in a bit of a mess. Lambert will be after p,ayers that will genuinely improve us. If they're not a household name i couldn't give a fuck. The mantra is- if you want the big bucks, earn them. Can't wait for him to get cracking.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 16, 2013, 11:44:17 PM

I totally trust Lambert to get the players in that we need to progress the club and kick on.  The way the tabloids have spun what he has said into some kind of statement of small-time, lack of ambition does not surprise me in the slightest.  They don't have a clue.

Edit: I notice the report is from the BBC.  They don't have a clue either! A supporter of another club reading that article will think: "Villa are f*cked.  There's no ambition at that place."  The whole context of what Lambert is saying has been left out, which is a bit disappointing from the BBC.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 16, 2013, 11:44:49 PM

I didn't see the Lambert piece until just, so imagine how happy I was it tallied with my own take on the matter, which was posted today:

"Aston Villa fans have noted for months what the national media are waking up to: Paul Lambert wants to bring in players right for a team,rather than forming a team around key players..."

Read more: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/16-05-2013/farewell-to-petrov-in-new-villa-era/831123#ixzz2TUwGrSDn

I would expect some kind of 'Lambert will be spending nothing' histrionics after his comments to the Beeb, but while Lambert has failings tactically, he's yet to really be sold a dud in the transfer market. He bought the important player (Sylla) in January and only loaned the one that wasn't (Dawkins). I would be intrigued to see what happens with Dawkins; given the overall success rate of Lambert's incomings, he obviously saw something in him that we haven't as yet. I think Sylla's first few outings showed he got stuck in but seemed a bit frantic, and I don't think it was obvious how integral he'd become long-term. I'd hesitate to splash half the transfer kitty on Dawkins, but maybe he's worth a punt if he can be picked up for relatively little.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 16, 2013, 11:56:44 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 16, 2013, 11:44:49 PM

I didn't see the Lambert piece until just, so imagine how happy I was it tallied with my own take on the matter, which was posted today:

"Aston Villa fans have noted for months what the national media are waking up to: Paul Lambert wants to bring in players right for a team,rather than forming a team around key players..."

Read more: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/news/16-05-2013/farewell-to-petrov-in-new-villa-era/831123#ixzz2TUwGrSDn

I would expect some kind of 'Lambert will be spending nothing' histrionics after his comments to the Beeb, but while Lambert has failings tactically, he's yet to really be sold a dud in the transfer market. He bought the important player (Sylla) in January and only loaned the one that wasn't (Dawkins). I would be intrigued to see what happens with Dawkins; given the overall success rate of Lambert's incomings, he obviously saw something in him that we haven't as yet. I think Sylla's first few outings showed he got stuck in but seemed a bit frantic, and I don't think it was obvious how integral he'd become long-term. I'd hesitate to splash half the transfer kitty on Dawkins, but maybe he's worth a punt if he can be picked up for relatively little.

Nicely written and you capture what is going on really well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2013, 01:02:48 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 16, 2013, 10:02:32 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2013, 08:24:59 PM

A bit disheartening. More unproven players will mean another brave campaign finishing in the bottom half. We arguably need one or two "names" which surely can't be beyond us if we get shot of the non-functioning fun boy trio (Ireland, Given, Bent/Dunne).

Disagree. This season Lambert effectively changed the entire team with Gabby the only player who could be deemed experienced at this level. The others were either new to the league or had never had a sustained run in the first team. Next season the general core of the team will remain the same, will continue to evolve and I'm sure Lambert will make a few well-judged signings to both complement and enhance the squad. There is absolutely no reason next season will be a repeat of this one just because we won't be getting any 'names' as you put it.

I didn't say a repeat, I said bottom half. Our form since Feb suggests we'll be comfortable next season but we'll be relying on the front three to continue being in-form at the same time over a longer amount of time and that's a big ask.
This summer with half the league changing their shaggin' managers there is definitely scope for us to really build on this season with the experience the young players have gained as you mention.

I just think supplementing that with a couple of proven players - who tend to be on the pricey side especially if already plying their trade here, hence why I use the word "name" (if they're unknown and prove to be as good as Benteke then fantastic) would really drive us forward. If we only buy five players from Campionship and League One/the Lowlands, I think the process of development, while perhaps satisfactory in the long run will continue being gradual.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 17, 2013, 01:23:12 AM

Fair point Eamonn and apologies for slightly misunderstanding what you said. I still personally believe we can have a good solid top-half season without having to go for an established EPL player. Swansea a good example. I think a part of our problem this season was not so much inexperience but Lambert not knowing his best team and formation. I think you make a valid point about the front three and I think this is why we need to invest in more attacking options this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 17, 2013, 02:53:38 AM

"I look at players with character, not those who just want money."

Works for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 17, 2013, 03:18:58 AM

The good thing about Sylla is that whilst he joined in January he was given time to bed into the team. It's only within the last month he has been picked regularly. He didn't have to hit the ground running in the same way that the August signing did.

The same will be true of whoever signs this summer, they won't be straight in at the deep end. If it's a trade off between experience/price and ability/attitude I'd rather Lambert carried on the way he has done things so far. We are far better placed to live with the learning curve this time around.

Perhaps the bigger concern should be that when Lambert arrived he came with a list of targets he had probably been building up for a while, and bought most of the cream from that list. Maybe Generation II will come from a poorer pool.

I hope that in addition to swatting alligators as he extricated himself from the swamp this season he took the trouble to keep an eye on the rest of the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mike on May 17, 2013, 05:40:21 AM

Quote from: Matt C on May 17, 2013, 02:53:38 AM

"I look at players with character, not those who just want money."

Works for me.

I have character and would play for next to nothing. You wouldn't want me turning out at centre half for Alvechurch let alone the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2013, 07:24:41 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

Yep.
The critical bit for me is to offload the high earners and use the freed-up funds to bring in other potentials.
I'd agree with others that we need one or two experienced players to come in: I think Lambert will do that (as he did with KEA and Vlaar last summer), and he will have learned a thing or two about the time it takes even for the experienced player to bed in. So, maybe we will see players with P'ship experience join us.
I do think that we may see a rejuvenated KEA next season as well: I suspect he'll be a far better player after a full 12 months in the squad.

The good news is that if I were a reasonably switched-on player, I'd love to play in a Lambert team: he will be hopefully a magnet for good, young and ambitious players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 17, 2013, 08:00:19 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 17, 2013, 03:18:58 AM

Perhaps the bigger concern should be that when Lambert arrived he came with a list of targets he had probably been building up for a while, and bought most of the cream from that list. Maybe Generation II will come from a poorer pool.

Could be, but equally as likely is that last years list was prepared with Norwich in mind (Westwood's 30 game dossier suggests he'd been watching for a long time), whereas I'd like to think that he sees the potential of Villa attracting better players than Norwich could.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 17, 2013, 08:01:02 AM

Buying / developing quality players for under 10 millions and sell them for 30 millions and putting money back into club to develop more players and sell them again like Arsenal would be best way to use transfer money instead of MON's methods. I like what Paul Lambert is doing so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2013, 09:00:41 AM

I'm fine with the strategy provided the players who come in have quality as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2013, 09:47:21 AM

I see Weimann's agent is starting to make noises of other clubs in for him. Tie him down to a contract Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2013, 10:05:31 AM

The one thing we do need are a couple of set piece experts - not sure we really have anyone currently who does it well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on May 17, 2013, 10:13:08 AM

Quote from: Mister E on May 17, 2013, 10:05:31 AM

The one thing we do need are a couple of set piece experts - not sure we really have anyone currently who does it well.

Back in for Maloney?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2013, 11:17:50 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

Of that list Ozz, Bent's not a loss. Not only did his goals keep us up which more than paid for his fee, we've also made money from merchandise sales. And maybe with exception of N'Zog who'll still command a decent fee the rest I agree with. To now replace them with motivated players, as good at what will likely be in most cases a fraction of the price is the way we are likely go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2013, 11:27:45 AM

Quote from: mrfuse on May 17, 2013, 10:13:08 AM

Quote from: Mister E on May 17, 2013, 10:05:31 AM

The one thing we do need are a couple of set piece experts - not sure we really have anyone currently who does it well.

Back in for Maloney?

Certainly wasn't thinking that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2013, 12:42:24 PM

Getting in the young and energetic players seems to have paid off this season.  The fans have been superb in staying off their backs and Lambert asked us to be patient this season as they bedded in.  They are now a year more experienced and will hopefully have a much better start to next season, perhaps pushing for an upper-mid table finish whilst Lambert again buys some young, up and coming players this summer.  I'd expect a bid for the Crewe Captain, can't recall his name. I asked for Lambert and am happy to back his judgement in the transfer market this summer.  I also hope he gets rid of the Hutton's, Irelands and Given's to further reduce the wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 12:53:42 PM

I think IF we can keep this group, and add a 5-6 more of a similar quality we will be flying in all honesty. Reading the blog on the OS with Lambert talking about moving us forward I think we will be very active this summer again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2013, 01:13:07 PM

he's also quite guarded in what he says which is to be expected. I don't expect Benteke to go. I expect he, along with Lowton, Westwood and Weimann to get new deals and I expect that the players we expect to depart, to depart. I think we will finally detach ourselves from the anchor like contracts that represented the past few years and be able to move on properly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on May 17, 2013, 01:20:31 PM

Lots of stories and speculation about Benteke in the national press, really hope we get this done and dusted quickly before it all starts to snowball and his head gets turned by it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adbo9 on May 17, 2013, 03:06:16 PM

Jordan Rhodes worth a punt if we lose Benteke ?? 

Do I remember right, we signed Benteke when the loan deal for Wilfried Bony fell through on deadline day - wonder if he could be back on the radar after another goal laden season........ looking at them, they seem very similar players in style, so couldn't see Lambert looking at getting both of them last summer......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2013, 03:11:23 PM

I am taking some time out from worrying about villa and transfers and going on holiday on monday - i doubt much is going to happen regarding deals in the next few weeks and after the gruelling season it is time for rest and relaxation .
I believe next season we will be stronger and expect a top 10 finish but lets enjoy the summer and ashes !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2013, 03:37:20 PM

Aston Villa's young and hungry recruitment policy will continue this summer – with Paul Lambert insisting his claret and blue rebuild has only just begun.

Lambert has already been scouting potential newcomers and admits any close-season additions will be in keeping with his existing signings.

Villa scoured the lower leagues and overseas football last summer and in January in a bid to recruit players with a point to prove in the Premier League.

Matt Lowton, Ashley Westwood, Joe Bennett and Jordan Bowery were recruited from League Two, One and the Championship, while Christian Benteke and Yacouba Sylla were plucked from Belgian and French football.

Lambert has mixed in his new recruits with products of the club’s Bodymoor Heath academy during a rapid and emphatic culture change at the training ground.

In a testing season, his approach has been vindicated during a remarkable transformation which saw their top-flight status confirmed this week.

Villa conclude their campaign at relegated Wigan on Sunday before Lambert holds talks with players at the club and steps up his search for new faces.

“The remit of bringing in young players is still there because of the finances.

“There’s a lot of work to be done here and it will be a busy summer. We’ve got to keep building because it will be really tough again.

“Now you keep building. You don’t stop. You have to keep building this club. Not just the team but the club. That’s the next stop.

“I’ve got people in my head. I’m going to try to see if I can do something but we’ve got another massive game on Sunday and I want to win that one. Everybody in this room will have their perception of how many I need.

“My main priority is Sunday. There’s no point even talking about the squad before Sunday.”

In keeping with this philosophy, home-grown defensive duo Nathan Baker and Ciaran Clark are set to be offered new contracts to continue their development at Villa.

Baker and Clark have become first-team regulars this season as Lambert has placed his trust in a young claret and blue backline.

But the pair both have just over a year left on their contracts and Villa are keen to tie the academy graduates down on longer deals.

The centre-backs will be offered improved terms to reflect their respective rises to first-team prominence during the past few seasons.

With Richard Dunne out injured all season, Baker and Clark have been regulars in the heart of defence along with skipper Ron Vlaar.

In all competitions this season, Baker has made 27 starts and one substitute appearance while Clark has started 34 games and come off the bench once.

Lambert insists his players have earned a few weeks off to recharge their batteries after a challenging campaign, but claims a manager’s work is never done.

“The players will go away and they deserve to have a break to recharge and get ready for another one, because before you know it we’re back in.

“For the manager it never stops. You keep going and never look back.

“That’s something you try to do. We’ll get this one over, that’s the priority, then we’ll see what happens.”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 17, 2013, 03:51:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 12:53:42 PM

I think IF we can keep this group, and add a 5-6 more of a similar quality we will be flying in all honesty. Reading the blog on the OS with Lambert talking about moving us forward I think we will be very active this summer again.

I'm not even sure we need to actually buy 5-6 considering some of the young players coming through. Siegrist, Williams, Johnson, Carruthers and maybe one of Drennan/Burke are surely in line for promotions to the first team. Having Gardner back will be like a new signing too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 17, 2013, 03:52:58 PM

It looks like our manager is going to "Go again"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 17, 2013, 04:11:39 PM

I totally agree with his policy, seeing how the players he bought have generally progressed I expect him to unearth future gems again.
 Who thought so many of the players he bought would perform as well have they have done?
Especially when not many of us had heard of most of them before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 17, 2013, 04:14:44 PM

I'd still prefer to get one or two more experienced players, preferably 25-28 year olds but those would probably take higher fees and wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 17, 2013, 04:26:33 PM

It sounds like we could be in for a busy summer with comings and goings.  Great stuff!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2013, 04:41:24 PM

The rumours seem to be more about Weimann than Benteke today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2013, 04:43:31 PM

Hmm.

I am not too sure if surviving relegation vindicates anything, really.

I believe in the idea of using more cheaper, younger players and looking for value, but not if it leads to season after season of Wiganesque survival battles. There's a thin line between modelling yourself on someone like Dortmund and just being a low spending club - it has to go somewhere.

Anyone can only buy cheap players, that's the easy bit. The difficult bit is building a team that can achieve something with them, and we have not seen that yet.

The real vindication will be in a couple of years time when we've progressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2013, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2013, 04:43:31 PM

Hmm.

I am not too sure if surviving relegation vindicates anything, really.

I believe in the idea of using more cheaper, younger players and looking for value, but not if it leads to season after season of Wiganesque survival battles. There's a thin line between modelling yourself on someone like Dortmund and just being a low spending club - it has to go somewhere.

Anyone can only buy cheap players, that's the easy bit. The difficult bit is building a team that can achieve something with them, and we have not seen that yet.

The real vindication will be in a couple of years time when we've progressed.

Agreed we have to be moving up the table year on year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:46:07 PM

Buying the way he has is the right way. Progression though will only happen by keeping them!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2013, 02:19:29 AM

Not wishing to piss on the chips of the last 68 pages but didn't our Chief Scout, Michael Henke, leave earlier this year?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 18, 2013, 02:55:18 AM

He left just after the January transfer window shut I believe. But he would've left his list of recommendations behind and the reports he compiled while he was under our employment. So I'm sure some of his recommendations will still be looked at this summer. It would be good if we could hire another scout to replace him though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2013, 03:28:39 AM

Did Henke go back to management? He seemed to slip out the back door...I know we all knew he was going but the OS didn't say much about it at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on May 18, 2013, 08:10:34 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2013, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2013, 04:43:31 PM

Hmm.

I am not too sure if surviving relegation vindicates anything, really.

I believe in the idea of using more cheaper, younger players and looking for value, but not if it leads to season after season of Wiganesque survival battles. There's a thin line between modelling yourself on someone like Dortmund and just being a low spending club - it has to go somewhere.

Anyone can only buy cheap players, that's the easy bit. The difficult bit is building a team that can achieve something with them, and we have not seen that yet.

The real vindication will be in a couple of years time when we've progressed.

Agreed we have to be moving up the table year on year.

We have one game left and have more wins, more points and the possibility of finishing 11th than last season.
We've improved our playing style ten fold, all on the back of dropping nearly all of the old overpaid squad for young hungry improving players.

If that's not vindication or improvement, we may aswell all go home.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 18, 2013, 08:13:11 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 18, 2013, 02:19:29 AM

Not wishing to piss on the chips of the last 68 pages but didn't our Chief Scout, Michael Henke, leave earlier this year?

I don't think he was behind any of the signings last summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on May 18, 2013, 08:38:22 AM

Quote from: eamonn on May 18, 2013, 03:28:39 AM

Did Henke go back to management? He seemed to slip out the back door...I know we all knew he was going but the OS didn't say much about it at all.

Hes coaching at Ingolstadt 04

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 18, 2013, 10:20:38 AM

I'm very happy to sit back, relax and see what he brings in.  Hopefully the days of moaning about signing a player from the lower leagues are over now he's shown that he can spot players like Westwood, Lowton etc. I'm actually quite excited, the difficult transition season behind us, it's onwards and upwards from here surely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 18, 2013, 12:21:10 PM

A lot of people mention the need for experience which I agree with to an extent, but seem to forget that these players we have are now becoming experienced after the struggles they've been through this year. We'll be a much more experienced squad next year whatever happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 18, 2013, 12:46:18 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 18, 2013, 12:21:10 PM

A lot of people mention the need for experience which I agree with to an extent, but seem to forget that these players we have are now becoming experienced after the struggles they've been through this year. We'll be a much more experienced squad next year whatever happens.

#ding# correct answer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2013, 12:51:53 PM

Quote from: Shrek on May 18, 2013, 08:10:34 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2013, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2013, 04:43:31 PM

Hmm.

I am not too sure if surviving relegation vindicates anything, really.

I believe in the idea of using more cheaper, younger players and looking for value, but not if it leads to season after season of Wiganesque survival battles. There's a thin line between modelling yourself on someone like Dortmund and just being a low spending club - it has to go somewhere.

Anyone can only buy cheap players, that's the easy bit. The difficult bit is building a team that can achieve something with them, and we have not seen that yet.

The real vindication will be in a couple of years time when we've progressed.

Agreed we have to be moving up the table year on year.

We have one game left and have more wins, more points and the possibility of finishing 11th than last season.
We've improved our playing style ten fold, all on the back of dropping nearly all of the old overpaid squad for young hungry improving players.

If that's not vindication or improvement, we may aswell all go home.

It is also a very tight table upto 10th which means we are not far behind, not sure that says we are any good more we are not that bad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 18, 2013, 01:08:33 PM

If you look at the table as it is, you'd have to fancy, with the right signings, that the top 6 is within reach. Everton will drop at least 10 points next season without Moyes. Liverpool, you never know what you'll get. Top 6 isn't out of reach. There will be other clubs feeling the same of course.
We just need to spend wisely. The money seems to be there. The suggestion in Jan was that there was more available than Lambert used. I think we need a ratio of 50/50 with Benteke/Sylla like signings, and young, promising players from the lower leagues here.
Unearthing another Laursen or Mellberg is absolutely imperative. Our defence has looked reasonable in the last few months, since Vlaar has had a run of fitness, and Bennett has, generally, improved.
What you can see is that we're close to being a good side. Improve in key areas, have a bit more strength in depth and we'll be on the heels of the Scousers next season I believe.
Clubs like Fulham, Sunderland and Newcastle will be hoping to push up next season too. They'll be making signings. Swansea are a good side too. If they keep Michu (and Laudrup) and grab 1-2 more bargains like him, they'll be top half.
I suspect there will be a bit more of a gap between the relegation battlers and those round the mid-table area. The top 7 won't be quite so far ahead either. I would hope we'll be in the top half and pushing for the scousies places rather than battling Hull and Cardiff etc next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 18, 2013, 01:13:44 PM

Agents at it again. Weimen's agent says he will stop in the Prem but it may not be at Villa. I fucking hate Agents. Only after another pay day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on May 18, 2013, 02:09:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on May 18, 2013, 01:13:44 PM

Agents at it again. Weimen's agent says he will stop in the Prem but it may not be at Villa. I fucking hate Agents. Only after another pay day.

What else is he going to say? "Andy will sign a new contract at VP, irrespective of what other options he might / might not have"! He's simply trying to push for more money.

Anyway, if he doesn't like what's on offer, he can stay on his current contract for another 12 months, by which time he might be more than happy to sign a new contract at VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 12:08:15 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 18, 2013, 01:08:33 PM

If you look at the table as it is, you'd have to fancy, with the right signings, that the top 6 is within reach. Everton will drop at least 10 points next season without Moyes. Liverpool, you never know what you'll get. Top 6 isn't out of reach. There will be other clubs feeling the same of course.
We just need to spend wisely. The money seems to be there. The suggestion in Jan was that there was more available than Lambert used. I think we need a ratio of 50/50 with Benteke/Sylla like signings, and young, promising players from the lower leagues here.
Unearthing another Laursen or Mellberg is absolutely imperative. Our defence has looked reasonable in the last few months, since Vlaar has had a run of fitness, and Bennett has, generally, improved.
What you can see is that we're close to being a good side. Improve in key areas, have a bit more strength in depth and we'll be on the heels of the Scousers next season I believe.
Clubs like Fulham, Sunderland and Newcastle will be hoping to push up next season too. They'll be making signings. Swansea are a good side too. If they keep Michu (and Laudrup) and grab 1-2 more bargains like him, they'll be top half.
I suspect there will be a bit more of a gap between the relegation battlers and those round the mid-table area. The top 7 won't be quite so far ahead either. I would hope we'll be in the top half and pushing for the scousies places rather than battling Hull and Cardiff etc next season.

I think Liverpool will be pushing top 4 next season. They started from a higher base than us with their squad, but Rodgers has done as well as Lambert there to change it and refresh things.

Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are nailed on the top 6 next season. Anywhere between 7th and 10th will be a very decent season for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 19, 2013, 12:22:30 AM

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I think Liverpool will be pushing top 4 next season. They started from a higher base than us with their squad, but Rodgers has done as well as Lambert there to change it and refresh things.

Chelsea, United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs are nailed on the top 6 next season. Anywhere between 7th and 10th will be a very decent season for us.
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Totally agree,Everton might be hard to catch but Liverpool I also think will be looking at top 4.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 19, 2013, 12:35:48 AM

Yop 5 will be the top 5 again with Liverpool pushing. Other than that, I really think Lambert can get this team to compete

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 12:41:07 AM

Progress is to get 5-6 players who are on an equal level or better than the first team, create genuine competition and options and depth for injuries and form, and beat the mid table sides at VP. 8-10 home wins would be a nice target. We have won 5 this season. Turning that into 8 would be possible. Getting 8-10 points from the 10 games against that top 5 would be nice too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 19, 2013, 12:44:09 AM

Top 4 will be harder then ever to break into. Even Arsenal, who can be considered the weakest of them, look like they will spend big this summer. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2013, 12:46:19 AM

Not transfer speculatuion, but an interesting tweet from a football writer at the Guardian regarding Roy Hodgson mentioning Lowton and Westwood:   


https://mobile.twitter.com/DTguardian/status/334814348625190912?p=v

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2013, 12:48:11 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

But if you're not careful you'll turn into a Wigan eventually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 01:00:31 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2013, 12:48:11 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

But if you're not careful you'll turn into a Wigan eventually.

That depends on the strategy. If Wigan buy their fair amount of journeymen from far flung places. If we are aiming at a core of talent coming through the lower leagues sprinkled with the odd bigger buy on someone we think might have the talent to be exceptional, the key will be to keep them for a sustained period. Obviously 1-2 players will go, but if you can keep the nucleus together over a period of time, then it can snowball into something better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2013, 01:42:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 01:00:31 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 19, 2013, 12:48:11 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

I think we all knew this was going to be the way we went. Look at his hit rate so far and what their value to the club is now, in comparison to the last 7-8 bigger name comparisons, and how many of each walk into our side.

I would bet that you would get back 60 million plus on the signings he has made so far. Compare that against the huge losses you see on Bent, NZogbia, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Warnock, Makoun etc.

If it were my club, and my money, I would be looking at Lambert and thinking he is out ticket to financial security and stability.

But if you're not careful you'll turn into a Wigan eventually.

That depends on the strategy. If Wigan buy their fair amount of journeymen from far flung places. If we are aiming at a core of talent coming through the lower leagues sprinkled with the odd bigger buy on someone we think might have the talent to be exceptional, the key will be to keep them for a sustained period. Obviously 1-2 players will go, but if you can keep the nucleus together over a period of time, then it can snowball into something better.

Problem is though Jim is what happens during the period of time in which we will be waiting for players to develop and what happens if the players never develop into anything decent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2013, 08:17:05 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2013, 12:46:19 AM

Not transfer speculatuion, but an interesting tweet from a football writer at the Guardian regarding Roy Hodgson mentioning Lowton and Westwood:   


https://mobile.twitter.com/DTguardian/status/334814348625190912?p=v

Players to keep an eye on certainly but Lowton is a long way behind the likes of Johnson, Walker even Naughton I reckon. Fair play to Sheffield United, having brought through 3 of them. Walker hasnt had a great season but in his spell at Villa he looked in a different league to Lowton to be fair. Lowton needs to fill out a bit and improve in the air. He was beaten by crosses to the backpost all season.

Westwood has come on very nicely but behind Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere in the queue. He doesnt add to the lack of mobility in the English midfield which has been a problem since Hargreaves retired. Westwood isnt an option at all in a 442 at international level and I think has a long way to go to be getting involved.

The two players in our squad who I think should have been given a chance with England this summer are Gabby and Delph. If anyone had said that during January they would have been laughed at but both turned around their careers in spectacular style over the last few months. On form, Gabby should be in the English squad. Not the most skilfull of players but if England move to a 433 he should definitely be an option. Walcott probably ahead of him and a similar player but not sure how the likes of Carroll and Wellbeck are in the squad ahead of him.

Delph has mobility that no other English midfielder has. The ability to get away from players would be very useful in international tournaments. Capable of playing in a 2 man or 3 man midfield. I think Cleverley is a bit of a nothing player and Oxade Chamberlain has done nothing this season. if he can refine his tackling next season he should definitely be getting into that squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 08:36:25 AM

Gabby is not an England player in my opinion , granted he has has a good 3 months but he needs to do that over a longer period - Lowton and Westwood will both break into the squad eventually and I hope they don't then go the way of Milner and young .

To progress we need to hold onto our best players and add to the squad .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2013, 08:40:09 AM

I like the look of this guy - he's got a beard, like Peter Withe.

Charlie Austin (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/400697/Aston-Villa-s-Austin-powers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 08:45:12 AM

Quote from: not3bad on May 19, 2013, 08:40:09 AM

I like the look of this guy - he's got a beard, like Peter Withe.

Charlie Austin (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/400697/Aston-Villa-s-Austin-powers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29)

Interesting one and prolific in that league although i remember saying similar about guy whittingham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 08:58:02 AM

Right sort of size to be a good alternative if Tekkers is out. Young enough at 4 million to still have a good sell on value. Looks a good shout to me. Look at the likes of Rickie Lambert this season and Holt last, players can make that step up. Taking advantage of contract situations I would imagine is very much part of the strategy for buying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2013, 09:19:29 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 08:58:02 AM

Right sort of size to be a good alternative if Tekkers is out. Young enough at 4 million to still have a good sell on value. Looks a good shout to me. Look at the likes of Rickie Lambert this season and Holt last, players can make that step up. Taking advantage of contract situations I would imagine is very much part of the strategy for buying.

Worked on a building site till a couple of years back, so I'd imagine he fits the profile regarding ambition and desire.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 19, 2013, 10:15:56 AM

With a lot of these lower league signings, I'd hope we can sweeten the deal by offering players on loan too. Financially cheaper and also develops out youngsters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 19, 2013, 10:31:57 AM

Quote from: not3bad on May 19, 2013, 08:40:09 AM

I like the look of this guy - he's got a beard, like Peter Withe.

Charlie Austin (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/400697/Aston-Villa-s-Austin-powers?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-sport-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Sport+Feed%29)

Earlier in the week I read in one of the local papers up here that he might be off to Hull.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on May 19, 2013, 10:39:57 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2013, 08:17:05 AM

Westwood has come on very nicely but behind Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere in the queue. He doesnt add to the lack of mobility in the English midfield which has been a problem since Hargreaves retired. Westwood isn't an option at all in a 442 at international level and I think has a long way to go to be getting involved.

Completely agree, the only thing I will say is that Carrick 32 Lampard 34 Gerrard 33 don't have a lot of time left.
The queue might not look as daunting in 18months time, not for Westwood specifically, but any English central midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2013, 11:29:32 AM

Quote from: danno on May 19, 2013, 10:39:57 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2013, 08:17:05 AM

Westwood has come on very nicely but behind Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere in the queue. He doesnt add to the lack of mobility in the English midfield which has been a problem since Hargreaves retired. Westwood isn't an option at all in a 442 at international level and I think has a long way to go to be getting involved.

Completely agree, the only thing I will say is that Carrick 32 Lampard 34 Gerrard 33 don't have a lot of time left.
The queue might not look as daunting in 18months time, not for Westwood specifically, but any English central midfielder.

It's time that England moved away from playing the 4-4-2. I'd like to see them playing 3 up top to get the best out of Theo Walcott. For me, pinning the England hopes, largely on Rooney, is a mistake. He's a player in decline. Walcott has looked superb this season. He's developing into a really top player.
I think Westy's time will certainly come. Woy needs to start building for the future. This should be the last tournament for the over 30's club to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 19, 2013, 11:58:52 AM

I see the Fonz has been called up for U-21 national duties (I don't see why to be honest) keeping his profile up.  I don't suppose that Burnley after his loan with them would be interested in a part-ex for Austin?  He is an unknown factor, but I'd rather an unknown factor than the known to be not good enough factor of the Fonz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on May 19, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Delfouneso still qualifies to play for the Under 21s? It seems like he's had a squad number for a decade.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2013, 01:10:52 PM

Poor Fonz...well-regarded by anyone but Villa fans  ;) ... ok, and a few Blackpool ones.
 
He's still young, but because he was in nappies when he made his goalscoring debut in the Europa I think people expect for him to be the finished article by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 19, 2013, 01:27:47 PM

I was talking about the Fonz last night with my Blackpool-supporting friends. They'd like him to sign for them permanently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 19, 2013, 01:30:52 PM

I want The Fonz given a chance under Lambert I think he could turn into a winger in the Gabby sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 19, 2013, 02:28:45 PM

I said before that the Fonz could do a job in the wider position in our 433. I wouldn't be suprised to see him given a chance next season. Having a whole season of regular football can't of done him any harm and he is probably a better player for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2013, 02:30:38 PM

I've seen Fonz play that wide left position for England (under-21s, of course) and for Villa, and he just doesn't have the intelligence of movement or the actual pace while running with the ball. It's all very well being quick off it, but his technique isn't good enough to dribble at pace adequately for the position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 19, 2013, 02:39:52 PM

Its an opinion Mr Montbert. Your not right, I'm not right. He deserves a chance under a good manager like Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2013, 02:41:39 PM

It certainly is an opinion, Signor Hoppo. I think the fact that Lambert gave him a couple of games and then shipped him out on loan may say that he doesn't rate him, or that he felt he needed games. I'm biased towards the former, myself, but time will tell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 19, 2013, 02:55:35 PM

To be fair to the Fonz, he hasn't really had a run in the first team. I'd like to see him given a few games in a row before I completely close the book on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 02:56:18 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 19, 2013, 02:41:39 PM

It certainly is an opinion, Signor Hoppo. I think the fact that Lambert gave him a couple of games and then shipped him out on loan may say that he doesn't rate him, or that he felt he needed games. I'm biased towards the former, myself, but time will tell.

I must tend to agree Monsieur monty , although I haven't seen much of Fonz on loan this season , Weimann has overtaken him in the striking stakes although as Herr Hoppo says lambert may get something extra from him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2013, 03:01:40 PM

I don't think Fonz will ever be good enough for the top level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 19, 2013, 03:34:03 PM

I'm liking Herr Hoppo. Thanks Sir Eastie of Sky Sports News.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on May 19, 2013, 03:39:10 PM

I may well be wrong, but I assumed the signing of Bowrey marked the end for Delfouneso at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 03:43:16 PM

I see we were linked to Aidan McfknGeady in the Irish press again this week.I find this highly unlikely .
He is championship standard at best and we have no need for that now thankfully.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2013, 04:51:19 PM

Quote from: gervilla on May 19, 2013, 03:43:16 PM

I see we were linked to Aidan McfknGeady in the Irish press again this week.I find this highly unlikely .
He is championship standard at best and we have no need for that now thankfully.

Someone needs to tell the Irish press that Martin O Neill left here about 3 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 19, 2013, 07:15:54 PM

Avfc mysterman has tweeted that Benteke won't play for us again and is off. Hope to god to see the news in the next two weeks that he's signed a new contract

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 19, 2013, 07:19:54 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 19, 2013, 07:15:54 PM

Avfc mysterman has tweeted that Benteke won't play for us again and is off. Hope to god to see the news in the next two weeks that he's signed a new contract

That's not the Mysteryman who posts here and VT.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2013, 07:26:58 PM

Here we go. Silly season starts in earnest and there will be heart attacks created by the most non sensical rumours started by people who know literally fuck all. Worry if one of the established journalists report it, but when it comes from Twitter where everyone is ITK, or some random upstart web site, don't just take it at face value. It's more than likely bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on May 19, 2013, 07:33:19 PM

That didn't take long!

Mysteryman seems to be a wind up merchant. Benteke will still be here next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 19, 2013, 07:54:17 PM

There are no ITKs in twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 19, 2013, 08:02:12 PM

Time for a sticky?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 08:04:07 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on May 19, 2013, 07:33:19 PM

That didn't take long!

Mysteryman seems to be a wind up merchant. Benteke will still be here next season.

Is it the same guy who insisted lambert was being sacked on 2 specific dates this season and deleted his account when it never happened - take it with a pinch of salt!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on May 19, 2013, 08:07:03 PM

Benteke will go if a really top club offers an insane sum of money. If not he'll stay another season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: D.boy on May 19, 2013, 08:13:16 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 19, 2013, 08:02:12 PM

Time for a sticky?

Wrong site!
You'll go blind ya mucky bugger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 19, 2013, 08:29:26 PM

Quote from: D.boy on May 19, 2013, 08:13:16 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 19, 2013, 08:02:12 PM

Time for a sticky?

Wrong site!
You'll go blind ya mucky bugger.

Nothing wrong with a bit of naked onanism once in a while.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 19, 2013, 08:52:13 PM

How about Ramis from Wigan? He was looking good before his injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2013, 09:03:45 PM

Big clear out at sunderland - I heard di canio telling collymore he needs to start from scratch and needs 13 in and 13 out - hardly a glowing praise for the team left him by mr o Neill!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 11:39:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

I think Weimann and Gabby have been the new hybrid winger/ forward roles, and players coming in need to be able to do that.

Neil Taylor has been out of the Swansea team and looked a decent left back last season.

Forward wise a player like Scott Sinclair would fit the style of play well, but the fee and wages would be prohibitive.

Hoppo - a lot of reports had Lambert in for Ramis last summer. If the fee is right he might be worth a look but is he not out for some of next season too?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2013, 12:28:32 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2013, 11:39:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

I think Weimann and Gabby have been the new hybrid winger/ forward roles, and players coming in need to be able to do that.

Neil Taylor has been out of the Swansea team and looked a decent left back last season.

Forward wise a player like Scott Sinclair would fit the style of play well, but the fee and wages would be prohibitive.

Hoppo - a lot of reports had Lambert in for Ramis last summer. If the fee is right he might be worth a look but is he not out for some of next season too?

Would agree about the winger / forward role and I think there are plenty of the around at the moment as many teams favour playing with three up front.  A player who can play on the left and right, but can also play in the "hole" would be ideal (especially if said player could also take good set pieces) as that would allow us to change the formation if needed.  To be fair I don't think we need an automatic starter in that position, just a player who can come in and rotate with Gabby and Weimann.  There are young players in the Championship like Tom Ince, Jon Williams and dare I say it even Nathan Redmond who might be worth looking at.


 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2013, 12:31:29 AM

Ince, Phillips, Redmond, Williams maybe even Zaha on loan from United maybe. All apart from Redmond will push big fees though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2013, 01:17:25 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 20, 2013, 12:31:29 AM

Ince, Phillips, Redmond, Williams maybe even Zaha on loan from United maybe. All apart from Redmond will push big fees though.

Agree about the fees and Blues would definitely try to screw us over if we tried to sign Redmond.  Maybe we could get some of them cheaper if Fonz went the other way in the deal.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 20, 2013, 01:28:21 AM

From what I've seen and heard, I don't think Matt Phillips has been that good recently and is far outshined by Ince. Ince would be ideal for our system really but most likely out of our price range. Bolasie of Palace might be worth looking at too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 20, 2013, 01:33:56 AM

Can we agree to call all Twitter ITKs "twunts"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2013, 01:35:55 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 20, 2013, 01:33:56 AM

Can we agree to call all Twitter ITKs "twunts"?

Twitter is merely a medium. Just don't believe everything you read on there and especially from people with next to no standing. If Kendrick for example tweets something he actually might have heard something because he makes a career out of following Villa. That can't be said for most people on Twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 20, 2013, 01:42:01 AM

James Henry winger from Millwall was linked in January out of contract now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2013, 08:38:12 AM

Has anyone seen Hiroshi Kirotake play? I haven't, but he sounds right up our street. 23 year old Japanese player for Nurnburg. Can play no 10 role or either wing. That sort of player would be a priority for me. Could replace Weimann in the front three for certain games or play behind the forwards

But I've never seen him play so can't comment on whether he's a good option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 20, 2013, 08:55:27 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 19, 2013, 09:03:45 PM

Big clear out at sunderland - I heard di canio telling collymore he needs to start from scratch and needs 13 in and 13 out - hardly a glowing praise for the team left him by mr o Neill!

Can we flog them any of ours: Bannan, Dunne, Lichaj, Ireland...?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 20, 2013, 08:59:31 AM

Interesting suggestions here and much more likely than established FAPL players:

http://www.myoldmansaid.com/moms-scouting-report-summer-signings-improve-aston-villa-squad/

LB: Cresswell, CB: Dragovic, DM: Bridcutt, AM: Murphy, Wing: Stocker, Striker: Aspas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2013, 09:05:25 AM

I'd rather we didn't go for Ramis, he was part of the team with the worst defensive record in the league(even prior to injury).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2013, 09:48:25 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2013, 08:59:31 AM

Interesting suggestions here and much more likely than established FAPL players:

http://www.myoldmansaid.com/moms-scouting-report-summer-signings-improve-aston-villa-squad/

LB: Cresswell, CB: Dragovic, DM: Bridcutt, AM: Murphy, Wing: Stocker, Striker: Aspas.

Interesting piece and i wouldn't be surprised if he's not far off with those names. Of course now Lambert's got a reputation for buying bargains, are these clubs going to let these players go so cheaply? He's probably put half a million extra on anyone outside of the Championship after last summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 20, 2013, 10:05:54 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Season starts in 3 months time you know!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 11:53:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 19, 2013, 09:03:45 PM

Big clear out at sunderland - I heard di canio telling collymore he needs to start from scratch and needs 13 in and 13 out - hardly a glowing praise for the team left him by mr o Neill!

no one will touch MON with a barge pole now .  he just ruins every club eventually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2013, 12:51:36 PM

Out;
Bent (because he's an expensive reserve at the moment)
Dunne
Given (see Bent)
Lichaj
Bannan

In;
2 X CB (to go straight in)
1 X Wide playing forward (to genuinely challenge)
1 x RB (reserve)
1 x GK (reserve)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2013, 01:05:42 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2013, 12:51:36 PM

Out;
Bent (because he's an expensive reserve at the moment)
Dunne
Given (see Bent)
Lichaj
Bannan

In;
2 X CB (to go straight in)
1 X Wide playing forward (to genuinely challenge)
1 x RB (reserve)
1 x GK (reserve)

So you want to keep Ireland and Hutton?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM

q

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

just cancelled Sky sports . Did he really say I'll save £25 a mth , is it that dear now,

Never again for me .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on May 20, 2013, 02:31:56 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

just cancelled Sky sports . Did he really say I'll save £25 a mth , is it that dear now,

Never again for me .

Good man. Ironically, the only thing I miss is the rugby. I don't miss their football coverage one iota and on the odd occasion I do want to take in a game with us in it, the pub is up the road and a cider costs me three quid or so...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 20, 2013, 02:35:16 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM

q

Nah, too old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 02:39:38 PM

Quote from: richard moore on May 20, 2013, 02:31:56 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

just cancelled Sky sports . Did he really say I'll save £25 a mth , is it that dear now,

Never again for me .

Good man. Ironically, the only thing I miss is the rugby. I don't miss their football coverage one iota and on the odd occasion I do want to take in a game with us in it, the pub is up the road and a cider costs me three quid or so...

yeah true . Ive had a great new pub open up 100 yards from me , so can pop there . Plus the odd real game ;)   I can go . I cant do season ticket because of work and then there is the net streams .

So thats the way for me .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 02:43:53 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on May 20, 2013, 02:35:16 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM

q

Nah, too old.

That's the trouble with Nigerians, you never know how old they are;-)

On A serious note; I was cleaning the keyboard a while ago and have just noticed this!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2013, 02:55:49 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 20, 2013, 10:05:54 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Season starts in 3 months time you know!

i give up,  Lambert out  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 20, 2013, 02:59:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

just cancelled Sky sports . Did he really say I'll save £25 a mth , is it that dear now,

Never again for me .

Ashes  ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 20, 2013, 03:09:03 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2013, 02:55:49 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 20, 2013, 10:05:54 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Season starts in 3 months time you know!

i give up,  Lambert out  ;)

all together now --

 if we don't sign a experienced brick shithouse centre back, and a midfield enforcer we are doooomed

Lambert is playing fast and loose and gambling with our prem status

everyone can see what we need apart from Lambert and Randy they really are a pair of wankers

we wont survive buying a bucket load of players who are championship quality at best

ffs Newcastle are buying X (insert player name) even shitty Stoke are buying X and all we can up with is a fucking unknown bloke from X ( insert France, Belgium, Timbuktu as appropriate)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

Quote from: john e on May 20, 2013, 03:09:03 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 20, 2013, 02:55:49 PM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 20, 2013, 10:05:54 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Season starts in 3 months time you know!

i give up,  Lambert out  ;)

all together now --

 if we don't sign a experienced brick shithouse centre back, and a midfield enforcer we are doooomed

Lambert is playing fast and loose and gambling with our prem status

everyone can see what we need apart from Lambert and Randy they really are a pair of wankers

we wont survive buying a bucket load of players who are championship quality at best

ffs Newcastle are buying X (insert player name) even shitty Stoke are buying X and all we can up with is a fucking unknown bloke from X ( insert France, Belgium, Timbuktu as appropriate)

well thats saved about 200 pages of thread,   boo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 05:44:53 PM

Quote from: john e on May 20, 2013, 02:59:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

just cancelled Sky sports . Did he really say I'll save £25 a mth , is it that dear now,

Never again for me .

Ashes  ?

got my grandma's if you want to borrow them .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2013, 06:34:07 PM

I want more signing like Benteke, Syvilla and Westwood and Lowton and less on the like of   the dutch pairs, Dawson, and Bennett. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mal on May 20, 2013, 07:23:17 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2013, 06:34:07 PM

I want more signing like Benteke, Syvilla and Westwood and Lowton and less on the like of   the dutch pairs, Dawson, and Bennett. 

I know Dawson isn't that great but he is a regular in the Spurs side that finished 5th. Could do a job maybe? (winky thing)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 20, 2013, 09:06:00 PM

Quote from: danno on May 19, 2013, 10:39:57 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2013, 08:17:05 AM

Westwood has come on very nicely but behind Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere in the queue. He doesnt add to the lack of mobility in the English midfield which has been a problem since Hargreaves retired. Westwood isn't an option at all in a 442 at international level and I think has a long way to go to be getting involved.

Completely agree, the only thing I will say is that Carrick 32 Lampard 34 Gerrard 33 don't have a lot of time left.
The queue might not look as daunting in 18months time, not for Westwood specifically, but any English central midfielder.

A good season and he won't be very far away from going to Brazil if we get there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2013, 09:21:07 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 20, 2013, 08:59:31 AM

Interesting suggestions here and much more likely than established FAPL players:

http://www.myoldmansaid.com/moms-scouting-report-summer-signings-improve-aston-villa-squad/

LB: Cresswell, CB: Dragovic, DM: Bridcutt, AM: Murphy, Wing: Stocker, Striker: Aspas.

The first four seem very likely contenders to me. I've not heard of the other two though. They're about the right positns to be going for

But in reality We've probably never heard of any of the players we'll be going for, even with more scouting of division 1' the Jupiter league and the eresdivisie

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2013, 11:34:52 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 20, 2013, 09:06:00 PM

Quote from: danno on May 19, 2013, 10:39:57 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 19, 2013, 08:17:05 AM

Westwood has come on very nicely but behind Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Wilshere in the queue. He doesnt add to the lack of mobility in the English midfield which has been a problem since Hargreaves retired. Westwood isn't an option at all in a 442 at international level and I think has a long way to go to be getting involved.

Completely agree, the only thing I will say is that Carrick 32 Lampard 34 Gerrard 33 don't have a lot of time left.
The queue might not look as daunting in 18months time, not for Westwood specifically, but any English central midfielder.

A good season and he won't be very far away from going to Brazil if we get there.

I think he will be close. In fact, if we are top 10, I can see Delph, Westwood and Lowton being capped next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2013, 11:47:17 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 02:43:53 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on May 20, 2013, 02:35:16 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM

q

Nah, too old.

That's the trouble with Nigerians, you never know how old they are;-)

On A serious note; I was cleaning the keyboard a while ago and have just noticed this!

I thought your post was a Spike Milligan tribute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 11:51:26 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 20, 2013, 11:47:17 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 02:43:53 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on May 20, 2013, 02:35:16 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM

q

Nah, too old.

That's the trouble with Nigerians, you never know how old they are;-)

On A serious note; I was cleaning the keyboard a while ago and have just noticed this!

I thought your post was a Spike Milligan tribute.

No, that would have been a capital; Q!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 01:55:49 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2013, 06:34:07 PM

I want more signing like Benteke, Syvilla and Westwood and Lowton and less on the like of   the dutch pairs, Dawson, and Bennett.

A top quality CB aside, I'm not sure how many more "starters" we need to sign this summer.  We need to strengthen the squad in the full-back areas (particularly LB), central midfield (probably need a more attacking midfielder addded), wide forward area (need an option to rotate with Gabby and Weimann) and need a back up for Benteke.  I think we definitely need anestablished CB (and maybe even a LB), but the other additions could well be in the Benteke, Sylla and Westwood and Lowton mould.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 03:46:10 AM

I think there are only a few guaranteed starters in our line up. The rest of them should have players of equivalent or better quality in the squad to not only challenge their position, but replace them without any significant drop off in quality. Let's say Matt Lowton is a guaranteed starter. Losing him for a game or two wouldn't be the end of the world. Five or six weeks would be bad because Lichaj/Herd simply are not good enough over any significant length of time. They'd be exposed by decent scouting. Same goes for Westwood or Delph or Benteke.

In my opinion we need 6 or 7 players in this summer with the majority ready to step in immediately and either take a position or be very close to starter material.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on May 21, 2013, 08:26:03 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 03:46:10 AM

I think there are only a few guaranteed starters in our line up. The rest of them should have players of equivalent or better quality in the squad to not only challenge their position, but replace them without any significant drop off in quality. Let's say Matt Lowton is a guaranteed starter. Losing him for a game or two wouldn't be the end of the world. Five or six weeks would be bad because Lichaj/Herd simply are not good enough over any significant length of time. They'd be exposed by decent scouting. Same goes for Westwood or Delph or Benteke.

In my opinion we need 6 or 7 players in this summer with the majority ready to step in immediately and either take a position or be very close to starter material.

I only hope that we bring in adequate replacements to cover players sold or released. The club has a habit of getting rid of players and leaving us with the 'small squad' tag.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 21, 2013, 08:30:16 AM

Imagine Lukaku and Benteke playing together ........preferably not for Chelski

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 21, 2013, 08:57:17 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on May 21, 2013, 08:30:16 AM

Imagine Lukaku and Benteke playing together ........preferably not for Chelski

For Belgium.  8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 21, 2013, 09:42:03 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on May 21, 2013, 08:57:17 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on May 21, 2013, 08:30:16 AM

Imagine Lukaku and Benteke playing together ........preferably not for Chelski

For Belgium.  8)

And us of course!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 10:36:51 AM

The return of Harry Forrester?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/05/21/aston-villa-target-brentford-youngster-as-paul-lambert-scouts-lower-leagues/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2013, 11:04:29 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 01:55:49 AM

A top quality CB aside, I'm not sure how many more "starters" we need to sign this summer. 

I think we need to avoid the mindset of signing "starters" at all - that was MON's problem.

We need to sign players who will compete for positions in the starting XI, nobody should be brought in as a designated starter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on May 21, 2013, 11:13:18 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2013, 11:04:29 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 01:55:49 AM

A top quality CB aside, I'm not sure how many more "starters" we need to sign this summer. 

I think we need to avoid the mindset of signing "starters" at all - that was MON's problem.

We need to sign players who will compete for positions in the starting XI, nobody should be brought in as a designated starter.

Especially avoid players from other premier league clubs unless they are utter professionals, transfer fees and salaries would be too high compared to what they'd be worth. We can probably get as good players abroad or lower division with lower fees and salaries.

For example, are there really any central defenders in premier league who'd be worth the 7-10 million transfer fee and 40-50k/week salary which they'd certainly cost? I'd think probably only Lescott would be a worth the shot and maybe couple others but they'd take even higher salary and would they be motivated enough?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2013, 12:14:51 PM

Surely we do need to sign "starters" - players that are better than what we have, and that MON often did the opposite - Harewood, Beye, Salifou etc. were never going to be starters.

We have a big squad in terms of numbers but half of them are probably not going to make it or are eating-up the wage bill while contributing little.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 21, 2013, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 21, 2013, 12:14:51 PM

Surely we do need to sign "starters" - players that are better than what we have, and that MON often did the opposite - Harewood, Beye, Salifou etc. were never going to be starters.

We have a big squad in terms of numbers but half of them are probably not going to make it or are eating-up the wage bill while contributing little.

Of course we've got to sign "starters". Last season was painful and some players need to be replaced with better ones else we'll find ourselves in a 4th consecutive relegation battle. Last season was too close for comfort. It would be folly to assume these players will improve by default over the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on May 21, 2013, 12:22:06 PM

I'm almost glad we conceded that scrappy goal against Wigan just to serve as a bit of a dose of reality, a reminder that although we have improved, our defence at times has been truly awful, and this needs addressing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 21, 2013, 12:25:26 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 21, 2013, 12:22:06 PM

I'm almost glad we conceded that scrappy goal against Wigan just to serve as a bit of a dose of reality, a reminder that although we have improved, our defence at times has been truly awful, and this needs addressing.

Precisely. The defence has been awful and some of them need to be replaced with better defenders, not with someone equally as poor to act as competition.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 12:32:11 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 21, 2013, 12:17:40 PM

It would be folly to assume these players will improve by default over the summer.

Indeed it would be folly - but it would be equally wrong to assume they won't.  Therefore you cannot assume these new players would be "starters" by default can you?  Because if these players do improve, the new ones won't necessarily start, will they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2013, 12:39:44 PM

A squad of 22 starters would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2013, 01:22:53 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 21, 2013, 12:14:51 PM

Surely we do need to sign "starters" - players that are better than what we have, and that MON often did the opposite - Harewood, Beye, Salifou etc. were never going to be starters.

We have a big squad in terms of numbers but half of them are probably not going to make it or are eating-up the wage bill while contributing little.

That's exactly what I meant when I referred to not signing 'starters', though.

I'd imagine Shay Given was signed as one by McLeish, and played all the time under him as a result, but now he's sat on the bench costing us a fortune. Same with other players.

What we need to do is strengthen the squad, but add some players who are better than we already have and add more competition for places. The likes of Bennett, Lowton, Baker etc don't need to be treated with kid gloves, ie not signing players in their positions so we don't block their development, they need to prove they're worth a place and if the competition for places is stronger (which it should be as a club improves), they're going to have to work that bit harder to get in.

The flip side should be that if they're good enough, they get into the team. Like Guzan did ahead of Given.

re O'Neill, his problem was that he saw XI 'starters' and next to nothing beyond that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2013, 02:56:51 PM

It would be great to have somebody on the bench that could come on and offer something different.
Our subs this season have generally been a worse version of the player they're replacing and make us a weaker side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: alteavilla on May 21, 2013, 03:10:42 PM

look at the stats
leave the attackers alone done well, see goals scorded
replace the defenders done bad,see goals conceaded

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2013, 01:22:53 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 21, 2013, 12:14:51 PM

Surely we do need to sign "starters" - players that are better than what we have, and that MON often did the opposite - Harewood, Beye, Salifou etc. were never going to be starters.

We have a big squad in terms of numbers but half of them are probably not going to make it or are eating-up the wage bill while contributing little.

That's exactly what I meant when I referred to not signing 'starters', though.

I'd imagine Shay Given was signed as one by McLeish, and played all the time under him as a result, but now he's sat on the bench costing us a fortune. Same with other players.

What we need to do is strengthen the squad, but add some players who are better than we already have and add more competition for places. The likes of Bennett, Lowton, Baker etc don't need to be treated with kid gloves, ie not signing players in their positions so we don't block their development, they need to prove they're worth a place and if the competition for places is stronger (which it should be as a club improves), they're going to have to work that bit harder to get in.

The flip side should be that if they're good enough, they get into the team. Like Guzan did ahead of Given.

re O'Neill, his problem was that he saw XI 'starters' and next to nothing beyond that.

Yep progression is all about improving the squad, if we bring in quality players you would hope those players already at the club would raise their game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2013, 03:34:13 PM

Quote from: alteavilla on May 21, 2013, 03:10:42 PM

look at the stats
leave the attackers alone done well, see goals scorded
replace the defenders done bad,see goals conceaded

Sure. So when Gabby/Benteke/Weimann has a lengthy injury we're screwed.

In the last few months we probably beat every side outside of the top 8 except Fulham when Gabby was injured and Wigan when Benteke was suspended.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 21, 2013, 03:35:30 PM

Any idea what Chelsea will ask for Lukaku. Could we do a deal with Darren Bent going other way (and Stephen Ireland :) )

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:38:15 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 21, 2013, 03:35:30 PM

Any idea what Chelsea will ask for Lukaku. Could we do a deal with Darren Bent going other way (and Stephen Ireland :) )

Absolutely no chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:39:45 PM

In fact we should be glad Chelsea have Lukaku as Mourinho will see him as a young Drogba. You can guarantee if they didn't have him Mourinho would come for Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on May 21, 2013, 03:59:21 PM

The Express and Star Links us with Charlie Austin.  Would be happy with him! 

:http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/05/21/villa-target-charlie-austin-as-richard-dunne-leaves/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 21, 2013, 04:12:58 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:39:45 PM

In fact we should be glad Chelsea have Lukaku as Mourinho will see him as a young Drogba. You can guarantee if they didn't have him Mourinho would come for Benteke.

He still might yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KRS on May 21, 2013, 04:30:03 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 21, 2013, 03:59:21 PM

The Express and Star Links us with Charlie Austin.  Would be happy with him! 

:http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/05/21/villa-target-charlie-austin-as-richard-dunne-leaves/

Why are we being linked with another forward...unless he's being lined up to replace Bent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 21, 2013, 04:50:59 PM

Quote from: KRS on May 21, 2013, 04:30:03 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 21, 2013, 03:59:21 PM

The Express and Star Links us with Charlie Austin.  Would be happy with him! 

:http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/05/21/villa-target-charlie-austin-as-richard-dunne-leaves/

Why are we being linked with another forward...unless he's being lined up to replace Bent?

Kerching!  Why are you asking a question that you can answer yourself?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 05:22:39 PM

I think we need a couple of forwards. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann are out we are very light.

If Bent and NZogbia get sold too, then I would guess 3 forwards would be in the pipeline. A central big one, like Austin appears, and a couple of nippy, skillful wide options.

Interesting if Spurs are dispensing with Dempsey if we go back in for 4-5 million this summer. Could be worth it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 06:23:55 PM

Charlie Austin might seem like a good idea but he'll come with a hefty price tag. I'd rather we found the next Charlie Austin if we are going to go down that road. Westwood before he is the Westwood of now, same for Lowton. The Championship is so bloated for transfer fees, I'd much rather we tapped into League One, or better the French or Belgian markets and stayed away from England for unproven PL players altogether.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 06:24:51 PM

Our first signing: www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-19045867-detail/story.html#axzz2TwsQyCsS

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 21, 2013, 06:32:13 PM

Welcome aboard Liam.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on May 21, 2013, 06:49:21 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 06:24:51 PM

Our first signing: www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-19045867-detail/story.html#axzz2TwsQyCsS

Cornish!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 07:25:02 PM

We do need a forward or two for injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2013, 07:29:51 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on May 21, 2013, 06:49:21 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 06:24:51 PM

Our first signing: www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-19045867-detail/story.html#axzz2TwsQyCsS

Cornish!

Dunney will be shaking the lad down for a few pasties before he goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on May 21, 2013, 07:29:58 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 06:23:55 PM

Charlie Austin might seem like a good idea but he'll come with a hefty price tag. I'd rather we found the next Charlie Austin if we are going to go down that road. Westwood before he is the Westwood of now, same for Lowton. The Championship is so bloated for transfer fees, I'd much rather we tapped into League One, or better the French or Belgian markets and stayed away from England for unproven PL players altogether.

"I'd rather we found the next Charlie Austin"

I think that would be taking 'buying from the lower leagues' to far, he would be less than £10million, we cannot just buy 1-2 million pound players, we have to have the odd 7-10 million player aswell (Benteke last year) Austin could be this years.

We can't sell all the experienced players and replace them all with 'kids' imagine if Gabby, Weimann and Benteke had got injured, we couldn't have relied on Bowery, because next year we won't have Bent to come in.

Every club needs 4 strikers, so if Bent goes, which looks very likely then we need to replace him with someone who is an experienced professional.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 07:30:20 PM

Welcome to the best football club in the world, Liam.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on May 21, 2013, 07:31:04 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 21, 2013, 06:32:13 PM

Welcome aboard Liam.

He's also a top class schools 100M sprinter! probably can challenge Gabby!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 07:33:54 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 05:22:39 PM

I think we need a couple of forwards. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann are out we are very light.

We have Bowery remember - and what about Drennan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 07:36:04 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 06:24:51 PM

Our first signing: www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-19045867-detail/story.html#axzz2TwsQyCsS

Well, we've poached another youngster!  I hope Torquay will be putting a statement on their website! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 21, 2013, 07:43:07 PM

Apparently, Mbokani from Anderlect wants a move to the Prem and Villa are one of the front runners

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 21, 2013, 07:45:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2013, 01:05:42 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2013, 12:51:36 PM

Out;
Bent (because he's an expensive reserve at the moment)
Dunne
Given (see Bent)
Lichaj
Bannan

In;
2 X CB (to go straight in)
1 X Wide playing forward (to genuinely challenge)
1 x RB (reserve)
1 x GK (reserve)

So you want to keep Ireland and Hutton?

To be fair i'd completely forgot about them! Haven't been attending as much recently in my defence. And no i don't, they can bugger off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 08:08:02 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 21, 2013, 07:45:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2013, 01:05:42 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2013, 12:51:36 PM

Out;
Bent (because he's an expensive reserve at the moment)
Dunne
Given (see Bent)
Lichaj
Bannan

In;
2 X CB (to go straight in)
1 X Wide playing forward (to genuinely challenge)
1 x RB (reserve)
1 x GK (reserve)

So you want to keep Ireland and Hutton?

To be fair i'd completely forgot about them! Haven't been attending as much recently in my defence. And no i don't, they can bugger off.

just checking there Clarky old boy, just in case you'd taken leave of your senses :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on May 21, 2013, 08:16:51 PM

Quote from: nigel on May 21, 2013, 07:43:07 PM

Apparently, Mbokani from Anderlect wants a move to the Prem and Villa are one of the front runners

I hope not. The guy is absolutely useless. Watched him for a while he was at Standard Liege. Also watched him in the flesh on a trip to watch Anderlecht last season. He's a cross between Carlton Cole and Kenwyne Jones!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2013, 09:26:26 PM

I'd take his teammate Kouyate, but recent links with Arsenal might put the kybosh on that one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 21, 2013, 10:13:57 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 07:33:54 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 05:22:39 PM

I think we need a couple of forwards. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann are out we are very light.

We have Bowery remember - and what about Drennan?

And Delfouneso...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on May 21, 2013, 10:53:40 PM

I've never heard of this Charlie Austin, let alone the next one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 11:03:16 PM

Case for the defence: Aston Villa boss is searching for signings to strengthen his rear guard

Paul Lambert is in the market for two new full-backs, an experienced centre-half and a creative midfielder

Paul Lambert is prioritising improving Aston Villa’s defence after transfer talks with owner Randy Lerner.

MirrorSport understands the Villans boss Lambert wants two new full-backs, an experienced centre-half and a creative midfielder this summer.

He is set to bid again for Ipswich left-back Aaron Cresswell, 23, after missing out last summer before getting Joe Bennett.

Lambert also wants an experienced stopper - Manchester City’s Joleon Lescott is still on his radar - plus a midfield schemer with Crewe captain Luke Murphy, 23 having been watched several times by the Villa boss.

Further signings will be made if Villa manage to offload any fringe players or flops like Karim El Ahmadi.

Richard Dunne has been released while Shay Given, Darren Bent and Stephen Ireland can all go.

Lambert is scouting new strikers in case Villa receive an irresistible offer for Christian Benteke.

But Lambert and Villa insiders are hopeful the marksman will pen a new contract.

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-paul-lambert-1903047#ixzz2Ty1yjLGz
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 21, 2013, 11:27:58 PM

Quote

MirrorSport understands...

Your clue to a newspaper article being complete bullshit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:31:24 PM

Nursey has been fairly close to what has been going on since Lambert came in, so might be right with a few of the names. Murphy, Cresswell, Austin would be no surprise really we have been linked for a while. Lescott would be great IMO if we can get him in on say the money Ireland is on then we are way better off.

I still think a further forward option that can play in the wide roles will come in, although Sinclair on loan is most likely there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:34:01 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 21, 2013, 10:13:57 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 07:33:54 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 05:22:39 PM

I think we need a couple of forwards. If Benteke, Gabby or Weimann are out we are very light.

We have Bowery remember - and what about Drennan?

And Delfouneso...

And Zog... and Burke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:35:04 PM

Quote from: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 11:03:16 PM

Case for the defence: Aston Villa boss is searching for signings to strengthen his rear guard

Paul Lambert is in the market for two new full-backs, an experienced centre-half and a creative midfielder

Paul Lambert is prioritising improving Aston Villa’s defence after transfer talks with owner Randy Lerner.

MirrorSport understands the Villans boss Lambert wants two new full-backs, an experienced centre-half and a creative midfielder this summer.

He is set to bid again for Ipswich left-back Aaron Cresswell, 23, after missing out last summer before getting Joe Bennett.

Lambert also wants an experienced stopper - Manchester City’s Joleon Lescott is still on his radar - plus a midfield schemer with Crewe captain Luke Murphy, 23 having been watched several times by the Villa boss.

Further signings will be made if Villa manage to offload any fringe players or flops like Karim El Ahmadi.

Richard Dunne has been released while Shay Given, Darren Bent and Stephen Ireland can all go.

Lambert is scouting new strikers in case Villa receive an irresistible offer for Christian Benteke.

But Lambert and Villa insiders are hopeful the marksman will pen a new contract.

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-paul-lambert-1903047#ixzz2Ty1yjLGz
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Why two new fullbacks? Left Back surely but Lowton's been looking superb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2013, 11:35:51 PM

Centre half and another central midfielder (attacking as Sylla looks like he could be that physical beast with a bit more work) are the crucial ones.

Get those signings right and we'll have a good season next year,top 10.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2013, 11:38:24 PM

I think Lichaj is also out of contract, so squad wise we need another RB.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:43:46 PM

Maybe Lambert sees Herd as filling that role as backup to Lowton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 11:44:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:31:24 PM

Nursey has been fairly close to what has been going on since Lambert came in, so might be right with a few of the names. Murphy, Cresswell, Austin would be no surprise really we have been linked for a while. Lescott would be great IMO if we can get him in on say the money Ireland is on then we are way better off.

I still think a further forward option that can play in the wide roles will come in, although Sinclair on loan is most likely there.

I hope the rumour in the Mirror has some substance to it, as those are positions most on here would agree need strengthening.  Add the two options mentioned in bold and we will be in much better shape next season. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 21, 2013, 11:44:32 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:35:04 PM

Why two new fullbacks? Left Back surely but Lowton's been looking superb.

Be nice to have some decent cover for him though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2013, 11:45:03 PM

Herd is fine as a squad player.

It's the starting 4-5 games in a row that's the problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 11:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:43:46 PM

Maybe Lambert sees Herd as filling that role as backup to Lowton.

Russell Martin has been mentioned as a possible target before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:47:10 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 11:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:43:46 PM

Maybe Lambert sees Herd as filling that role as backup to Lowton.

Russell Martin has been mentioned as a possible target before.

If we did bring another body in both the full back roles, and a centre half, I could see Herd and Lichaj on the out list.

It will be an interesting summer. I don't think Lambert has ever done a quiet summer looking at his business elsewhere, he does like to freshen a squad up.

Martin looks a decent player and can play centre back too. Norwich might want decent money though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:48:35 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on May 21, 2013, 11:44:32 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:35:04 PM

Why two new fullbacks? Left Back surely but Lowton's been looking superb.

Be nice to have some decent cover for him though.

I may be alone in this but I think that Lichaj is fine as a back-up player. As others have said Herd could play there as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2013, 11:52:59 PM

I think Martin is a likely signing aswell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 21, 2013, 11:54:14 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:47:10 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2013, 11:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2013, 11:43:46 PM

Maybe Lambert sees Herd as filling that role as backup to Lowton.

Russell Martin has been mentioned as a possible target before.

If we did bring another body in both the full back roles, and a centre half, I could see Herd and Lichaj on the out list.

It will be an interesting summer. I don't think Lambert has ever done a quiet summer looking at his business elsewhere, he does like to freshen a squad up.

Martin looks a decent player and can play centre back too. Norwich might want decent money though.

I like the approach of freshening a squad, but there comes a time when you need to stop letting players go and let what you have settle. Now isn't the time for that, obviously, but if Lambert is pushing the club on in the next few years, I won't be unhappy if transfer activity calms down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 12:01:01 AM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:48:35 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on May 21, 2013, 11:44:32 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 21, 2013, 11:35:04 PM

Why two new fullbacks? Left Back surely but Lowton's been looking superb.

Be nice to have some decent cover for him though.

I may be alone in this but I think that Lichaj is fine as a back-up player. As others have said Herd could play there as well.

Nope - you're not alone.  I see Herd as more a utility player, but Lichaj is OK for me as cover to
Lowton.  For now at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on May 22, 2013, 12:41:29 AM

As far as Lichaj/Herd/fullback cover goes:

I think either of those two are ok for a few games, but why settle for someone ok for a few games when you can get a Lowton for around a million quid?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 02:10:42 AM

I really hope Nursey is wrong about Lescott being a target. Would've been good as a short-term loan in January but is almost over the hill now. We can do better and I hate signing players who are over 30. Also we have had enough problems with Citeh rejects. Will this club never learn?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2013, 04:31:33 AM

Signing a player from a club who turns out to be crap doesn't mean we should never sign a player from that team again.

We got Djemba-Djemba and McGrath from the same club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2013, 05:35:14 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 02:10:42 AM

I really hope Nursey is wrong about Lescott being a target. Would've been good as a short-term loan in January but is almost over the hill now. We can do better and I hate signing players who are over 30. Also we have had enough problems with Citeh rejects. Will this club never learn?

pie in the sky I grant you, but if James Milner was offered back to us you'd decline because of some former Man City signings haven't panned out? Not sure I understand the logic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 07:34:06 AM

I can see the age thing being an issue, but he always appears very fit and athletic, and at centre half 34/35 year olds are often just as good as those at 28. So a 3 year deal with a plus one option on Lescott would be ok by me. It is the one position we could do with someone of his ability and experience. Hopefully Lambert will have some other options too. With Toure off to Liverpool as his contract is up and Kompany not having a great season, I think Lescott will stay and play a lot next season anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 22, 2013, 07:54:05 AM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 21, 2013, 08:16:51 PM

Quote from: nigel on May 21, 2013, 07:43:07 PM

Apparently, Mbokani from Anderlect wants a move to the Prem and Villa are one of the front runners

I hope not. The guy is absolutely useless. Watched him for a while he was at Standard Liege. Also watched him in the flesh on a trip to watch Anderlecht last season. He's a cross between Carlton Cole and Kenwyne Jones!

Have to admit I know nothing about the guy, my lad reckons he'd be a good buy at the right price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 08:57:03 AM

Today's Daily Mail reporting that N'Zogbia is a target for Monaco and that Middlesborough have targeted Herd as a potential signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:04:41 AM

Herd isn't good enough to be a long term competitor for the right back spot, so I think we need another right back and likewise a left back to compete with Bennett. Lescott at 30 would be a great signing, we could get four or five years out of him. A creative midfielder is also important, and a striker to back up Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 22, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I like herd to stay. I dont nzogbia - but suspect Monaco would want bigger players than him and he doesn't fit criteria of what Monaco are striving to achieve. The mail would be more realistic if they said Nzogbia and Herd were wanted by m'boro. Nursey in mirror could have some accuracy with the mention of Lambert targeting 2 new full backs, an experienced centre half and a creative midfielder. I myselfclearly stated want i feel is necessary 8 players and would like at least 6. Am taking into account players who will be shipped out. So 1 gk. Full back- left. Centre back. Creative midfielder, Goalscoring midfielder, 2 wingers, and a striker. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 22, 2013, 09:15:49 AM

N'zogbia to Monaco possibly and Lambert has the feelers out for Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 09:48:42 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:04:41 AM

Herd isn't good enough to be a long term competitor for the right back spot, so I think we need another right back and likewise a left back to compete with Bennett. Lescott at 30 would be a great signing, we could get four or five years out of him. A creative midfielder is also important, and a striker to back up Benteke.

Both Weimann and Gabby could play in the centre where Benteke operates, so I'd be thinking a quality wide option gives us the freedom to do that if he's injured/suspended, plus gives competition across the frontline.  Add in Bowery and that's 5 for 6 places.

I wouldn't be after a creative midfielder per se, but rather an attacking one to operate behind Benteke.  We need more goals from midfield, so a young Frank Lampard/David Platt is what we need - still puts in a shift (unlike N'Zog) but can add to the goal tally and likes to get into the box.       

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 10:01:18 AM

I have to admit, I like N'Zogbia.  He hasnt given value for money for the fee we paid for him.  Bit he offers us something different when we need to change the play.  He's shown some decent form for Lambert, against Fulham and West Ham in particular.  I'd like to see us keep him!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:04:22 AM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 08:57:03 AM

Today's Daily Mail reporting that N'Zogbia is a target for Monaco and that Middlesborough have targeted Herd as a potential signing.

Okay its from the BNP's rag of choice and potentially horse shite, but that would be a double yes from me. Monaco are rolling in cash so they may stump up a good fee for CNZ. A good fee being 5 mill.
Herd won't make it at this level. So a move to Boro makes sense for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 22, 2013, 10:04:54 AM

I haven't seen anything of our crop of youngsters who seem to be doing quite well. Are any of them ready to make the step up to the first team squad next year? Also, Gary Gardner, is he going to make an impact this year? I missed most of last season so haven't really seen him play, but he has been talked up to the nines on this site. I kind of feel that if he is to become the player some thought he would, it is make or break next season.
Also, if Given does leave, is Siegrist (sp) ready to make the step up to challenge/deputise for Brad?

The reason I have this in the transfer thread, is that if we could add 3 to the squad from within, it would mean that whatever money is available would not need to be so thinly spread around on players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 22, 2013, 10:20:43 AM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 10:01:18 AM

I have to admit, I like N'Zogbia.  He hasnt given value for money for the fee we paid for him.  Bit he offers us something different when we need to change the play.  He's shown some decent form for Lambert, against Fulham and West Ham in particular.  I'd like to see us keep him!

I'd be a bit more positive about him if he'd had a few more decent games rather than just the two you've mentioned. It's rare that he set's up a goal as well which for an attacking player is poor. The longer we keep him and the longer he fails to deliver, the less we'll be able to sell him for. I'd sell if a decent offer came in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:43 AM

A player like N'Zog should be scoring 1 in 4 minimum. He played 21 games this season in the league, scored 2 and had 4 assists. That's nothing near good enough. Granted it's Messi-esque compared to Ireland but for a 9.5mill valued player, you expect far more.
We have to flog him now whilst we can get a reasonable fee for him. The money we'd get and wages we'd save could go a long way for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 10:36:50 AM

I wonder if we are still interested in Williams was it at Boro last summer? Quite highly rated and may want to move upwards, while Herd would replace him well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 22, 2013, 10:41:51 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on May 22, 2013, 10:04:54 AM

I haven't seen anything of our crop of youngsters who seem to be doing quite well. Are any of them ready to make the step up to the first team squad next year? Also, Gary Gardner, is he going to make an impact this year? I missed most of last season so haven't really seen him play, but he has been talked up to the nines on this site. I kind of feel that if he is to become the player some thought he would, it is make or break next season.
Also, if Given does leave, is Siegrist (sp) ready to make the step up to challenge/deputise for Brad?

The reason I have this in the transfer thread, is that if we could add 3 to the squad from within, it would mean that whatever money is available would not need to be so thinly spread around on players.

You aren't the only one who missed seeing GG play this season.  I hope he can come back from another serious injury setback, the most important years for a young player and he has been spending them in the treatment room.  Also Grealish in the next season or two, let's pray he turns out better than Albi.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 10:59:59 AM

I'm hoping GG can have a big impact next season, especially as our system incorporates 3 central midfielders.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2013, 11:30:01 AM

I think N'Zogbia is a talented player but also a confidence player, who hasn't really done it for us.

Given the choice, I'd keep him, but I suspect the infrequency with which he has been used this season combined with what will no doubt be a high salary will see him moved on, which I can also understand.

He seems to have a very similar problem to Albrighton (another one to move on?) in that he'll do lots of decent work, but is let down by poor decision making - when to shoot, when to pass, when to cross etc, so just runs into brick walls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on May 22, 2013, 11:34:13 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 10:59:59 AM

I'm hoping GG can have a big impact next season, especially as our system incorporates 3 central midfielders.

I,m hoping he has spent a good deal of his time in Rehab building up his body strength , he,s always looked a tad lightweight to me ....ditto that other forgotten man Mark Albrighton ...................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 11:36:14 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Your judging a player on the few minutes you have seen him play or are you privy to attending regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 12:01:44 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 11:36:14 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Your judging a player on the few minutes you have seen him play or are you privy to attending regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath?

I'm judging him on the few minutes I've seen him play and the fact that Lambert has used him sparingly and he does see him in regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath.

It's not a criticism as such, but he doesn't look ready to be a regular starter in the Premier League and therefore at his age he'd benefit from playing regular football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2013, 12:27:36 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 12:01:44 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 11:36:14 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Your judging a player on the few minutes you have seen him play or are you privy to attending regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath?

I'm judging him on the few minutes I've seen him play and the fact that Lambert has used him sparingly and he does see him in regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath.

It's not a criticism as such, but he doesn't look ready to be a regular starter in the Premier League and therefore at his age he'd benefit from playing regular football.

I'd have to agree with this. Though Bowery has played out of position in his limited time, which hasn't helped, I would be very worried if 1-2 of our front men got injured and he was thrown in to the mix or a few weeks.
It's a huge step up so I'd loan him out to the Championship until Jan (with option to call back). If he gets picked regularly at that level, and does well, it will help him when he comes back here.

We still need 1-2 decent attacking options to compete with our current front 3 as Bent is seemingly leaving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 12:01:44 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 11:36:14 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Your judging a player on the few minutes you have seen him play or are you privy to attending regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath?

I'm judging him on the few minutes I've seen him play and the fact that Lambert has used him sparingly and he does see him in regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath.

It's not a criticism as such, but he doesn't look ready to be a regular starter in the Premier League and therefore at his age he'd benefit from playing regular football.

He has been used sparingly because of the form Benteke has been in, I think it's harsh to judge a player so soon after being played out of position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 12:55:57 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 12:01:44 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 22, 2013, 11:36:14 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 09:59:42 AM

I think Bowery should be loaned out, as he's not ready to start in the Premier League.

Your judging a player on the few minutes you have seen him play or are you privy to attending regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath?

I'm judging him on the few minutes I've seen him play and the fact that Lambert has used him sparingly and he does see him in regular training sessions at Bodymoor Heath.

It's not a criticism as such, but he doesn't look ready to be a regular starter in the Premier League and therefore at his age he'd benefit from playing regular football.

He has been used sparingly because of the form Benteke has been in, I think it's harsh to judge a player so soon after being played out of position.

I just don't think there is anyway that Bowery at his current stage of development could be relied upon to be a starting centre forward in the Premier League for anything more than a game or two. That's not a criticism, he's a young player who needs to play games and he's not ready at this level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 22, 2013, 01:00:50 PM

There is a piece going around on Given that we are looking to pay him off for £5mill. It would cost 9mill for his contract to run. I'm lost for words.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 22, 2013, 01:03:11 PM

I like Bowery, he is keen, wants to play, and plays with discipline where he is put (I couldnt see the Fonz doing this).  Id be keeping him in the squad, better he is learning our way off the likes of Gabby, Andi and Benteke and most importantly the gaffer than elsewhere.  He can get experience in the reserves, and is there raring to go

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 01:04:57 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 22, 2013, 01:00:50 PM

There is a piece going around on Given that we are looking to pay him off for £5mill. It would cost 9mill for his contract to run. I'm lost for words.

Surely offering him on a free and subsidising 20k a week of his next contract would be more financially sensible than paying out 5m to get shot of him. A truly head scratching contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:43 AM

A player like N'Zog should be scoring 1 in 4 minimum. He played 21 games this season in the league, scored 2 and had 4 assists. That's nothing near good enough. Granted it's Messi-esque compared to Ireland but for a 9.5mill valued player, you expect far more.
We have to flog him now whilst we can get a reasonable fee for him. The money we'd get and wages we'd save could go a long way for us.

Though he's only had 11 starts.  When you flip it around and say in 11 starts he's scored 2 and 4 assists that doesnt read too bad.  I agree, I'd expect more. But since Christmas his form has improved.  And we need attacking options. He's a good option to replace Gabby or Weimann. He's a good impact sub too and play in a few different midfield positons.  Still one to keep -unless we get offered too good a deal to turn down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 01:22:44 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:43 AM

A player like N'Zog should be scoring 1 in 4 minimum. He played 21 games this season in the league, scored 2 and had 4 assists. That's nothing near good enough. Granted it's Messi-esque compared to Ireland but for a 9.5mill valued player, you expect far more.
We have to flog him now whilst we can get a reasonable fee for him. The money we'd get and wages we'd save could go a long way for us.

Though he's only had 11 starts.  When you flip it around and say in 11 starts he's scored 2 and 4 assists that doesnt read too bad.  I agree, I'd expect more. But since Christmas his form has improved.  And we need attacking options. He's a good option to replace Gabby or Weimann. He's a good impact sub too and play in a few different midfield positons.  Still one to keep -unless we get offered too good a deal to turn down.

I have to say his attitude to being a sub and being used by Lambert in different ways has been first class too. Very unlucky not to be in over Weimann last few games, although workrate is the contributing factor. If he played every week in that front 3 he would get 10 plus goals and assists a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2013, 01:42:07 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality.

That reminds me of one of my favourite pieces of football commentary.

France v Russia in (I think) 1986. Striker Vasily Rats scores past French keeper Joel Bats, and Motson screams "Rats beats Bats!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

32 and probably after that 'last big payday'.  Exactly the sort of player Lambert seems to want to avoid.

Plus, if he was as good as you suggest he wouldn't be going to West Ham and they'd be offering him more than a one year deal!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:49:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 01:22:44 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:43 AM

A player like N'Zog should be scoring 1 in 4 minimum. He played 21 games this season in the league, scored 2 and had 4 assists. That's nothing near good enough. Granted it's Messi-esque compared to Ireland but for a 9.5mill valued player, you expect far more.
We have to flog him now whilst we can get a reasonable fee for him. The money we'd get and wages we'd save could go a long way for us.

Though he's only had 11 starts.  When you flip it around and say in 11 starts he's scored 2 and 4 assists that doesnt read too bad.  I agree, I'd expect more. But since Christmas his form has improved.  And we need attacking options. He's a good option to replace Gabby or Weimann. He's a good impact sub too and play in a few different midfield positons.  Still one to keep -unless we get offered too good a deal to turn down.

I have to say his attitude to being a sub and being used by Lambert in different ways has been first class too. Very unlucky not to be in over Weimann last few games, although workrate is the contributing factor. If he played every week in that front 3 he would get 10 plus goals and assists a season.

As well as general work rate, if he is played wide he tends to drift and not hold his position, offering very little protection to his FB.  We onyl really see his best when he has that free role behind Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 22, 2013, 02:04:54 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:49:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 01:22:44 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on May 22, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2013, 10:25:43 AM

A player like N'Zog should be scoring 1 in 4 minimum. He played 21 games this season in the league, scored 2 and had 4 assists. That's nothing near good enough. Granted it's Messi-esque compared to Ireland but for a 9.5mill valued player, you expect far more.
We have to flog him now whilst we can get a reasonable fee for him. The money we'd get and wages we'd save could go a long way for us.

Though he's only had 11 starts.  When you flip it around and say in 11 starts he's scored 2 and 4 assists that doesnt read too bad.  I agree, I'd expect more. But since Christmas his form has improved.  And we need attacking options. He's a good option to replace Gabby or Weimann. He's a good impact sub too and play in a few different midfield positons.  Still one to keep -unless we get offered too good a deal to turn down.

I have to say his attitude to being a sub and being used by Lambert in different ways has been first class too. Very unlucky not to be in over Weimann last few games, although workrate is the contributing factor. If he played every week in that front 3 he would get 10 plus goals and assists a season.

As well as general work rate, if he is played wide he tends to drift and not hold his position, offering very little protection to his FB.  We onyl really see his best when he has that free role behind Benteke.

Which suits N'Zog perfectly.  We offer more threat with Gabby and Andi on the flanks as the latter part of the season has shown.  Even so, if we need to change it the N'Zog option behind Benteke is as good as we could wish for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 02:24:22 PM

The discipline of holding that position is something that needs to be coached into him though. His performance at West Brom, home to Fulham and his free kick against West Ham were probably solely responsible for those 5 points this season, so he is clearly very useful. Just whether someone offers enough fro Lambert to think he can get better options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 03:02:28 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

32 and probably after that 'last big payday'.  Exactly the sort of player Lambert seems to want to avoid.

Plus, if he was as good as you suggest he wouldn't be going to West Ham and they'd be offering him more than a one year deal!

31 and Shakhtar offered him big money to stay but he has taught himself English and wanted to come here. Presumably West Ham are using Prem football as leverage so as to give them some protection with the contract - the one year as he'll be on good wages, option to extend if both parties are happy at the end. He mightn't be top four/five quality but his pedigree is very decent for a team like us at the moment.

I know most people on this thread are dimissing any player 30+ but there's no harm in a couple of them if they offer decent value for money and have a good attitude which I think this fella does. Never mind - lets cross our fingers that Bennett and/or Cresswell etc. learn to swim quickly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on May 22, 2013, 03:05:11 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 03:02:28 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

32 and probably after that 'last big payday'.  Exactly the sort of player Lambert seems to want to avoid.

Plus, if he was as good as you suggest he wouldn't be going to West Ham and they'd be offering him more than a one year deal!

31 and Shakhtar offered him big money to stay but he has taught himself English and wanted to come here. Presumably West Ham are using Prem football as leverage so as to give them some protection with the contract - the one year as he'll be on good wages, option to extend if both parties are happy at the end. He mightn't be top four/five quality but his pedigree is very decent for a team like us at the moment.

I reckon they offered 3 years, then got the nod on Carroll, so had to claw back some cash!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2013, 03:12:02 PM

Is that the first recorded instance of a rat joining a sinking ship?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 03:55:41 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 03:02:28 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 01:44:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

32 and probably after that 'last big payday'.  Exactly the sort of player Lambert seems to want to avoid.

Plus, if he was as good as you suggest he wouldn't be going to West Ham and they'd be offering him more than a one year deal!

31 and Shakhtar offered him big money to stay but he has taught himself English and wanted to come here. Presumably West Ham are using Prem football as leverage so as to give them some protection with the contract - the one year as he'll be on good wages, option to extend if both parties are happy at the end. He mightn't be top four/five quality but his pedigree is very decent for a team like us at the moment.

I know most people on this thread are dimissing any player 30+ but there's no harm in a couple of them if they offer decent value for money and have a good attitude which I think this fella does. Never mind - lets cross our fingers that Bennett and/or Cresswell etc. learn to swim quickly.

He's 32 in a few days.

I have nothing against older players and have been advocating we go for Lescott for a while now.  But we need to be selective in who we get at that age and wage band and I see a signing like this as the wrong man to break the 'young and hungry' approach for. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:12:30 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2013, 05:35:14 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 02:10:42 AM

I really hope Nursey is wrong about Lescott being a target. Would've been good as a short-term loan in January but is almost over the hill now. We can do better and I hate signing players who are over 30. Also we have had enough problems with Citeh rejects. Will this club never learn?

pie in the sky I grant you, but if James Milner was offered back to us you'd decline because of some former Man City signings haven't panned out? Not sure I understand the logic.

I think I added that part more due to frustration that Lescott might be a target. I admit though that it was an irrational thing to say and I'd obviously have Milner back in a shot. Although to be fair, that wasn't my main argument and my problem is with Lescott who is almost past it and even looks poor in Citeh's defence (the best in the division) so imagine how he'd look in ours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2013, 04:41:22 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

true John

not sure he's made as many as Baker etc

did you see Benteke go past Cahill. Would you have Cahill back? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2013, 04:46:55 PM

City are letting Kolo Toure go. If they let Lescott leave, they'll need at least two big signings at centre half to replace them. Granted I know they have the money, but I wonder if Lescott may be kept on now. I'd love him here. Ideal player to improve our backline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:48:15 PM

 

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2013, 04:41:22 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

true John

not sure he's made as many as Baker etc

did you see Benteke go past Cahill. Would you have Cahill back? 

good point, but Howson is no Benteke my friend   ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on May 22, 2013, 04:55:07 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on May 22, 2013, 03:12:02 PM

Is that the first recorded instance of a rat joining a sinking ship?

Can't believe this gem has gone unnoticed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

No he hasn't. Which is why he has been kept out of the team by Nastasic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM

Lescott isnt any better than Vlaar in my opinion. When I watched City in Europe or in the league, when he's played he seems to have a clanger in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: picicata on May 22, 2013, 05:25:26 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM

Lescott isnt any better than Vlaar in my opinion. When I watched City in Europe or in the league, when he's played he seems to have a clanger in him.

Maybe he just swallowed a Swanee Whistle?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 05:41:09 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

No he hasn't. Which is why he has been kept out of the team by Nastasic.

Not being able to get into the Man City team is hardly an indication a player isn't good enough for us right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2013, 05:42:32 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:48:15 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2013, 04:41:22 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

true John

not sure he's made as many as Baker etc

did you see Benteke go past Cahill. Would you have Cahill back? 

good point, but Howson is no Benteke my friend   ;)

difference is that Cahill plays a lot more than Lescott. I'm sure if Lescott played every week he'd just be better and more consistent simply because he's a better defender. Plus if we bought him it wouldn't just be for his playing ability but because he is someone that would immediately command respect and instill confidence in those around him. Vlaar needs a strong influence to assist his game and help the develop the other younger players

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 05:56:30 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 05:41:09 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

No he hasn't. Which is why he has been kept out of the team by Nastasic.

Not being able to get into the Man City team is hardly an indication a player isn't good enough for us right now.

My point is that he lost his place in the first place because he hasn't played well. Whenever I've seen him for Citeh this season, he has looked error-prone and off the pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richie on May 22, 2013, 06:06:41 PM

http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/22996/villa-linked-with-new-move-for-cresswell

Seems to be highly rated by the Ipswich fans. Not sure if the asking price last year was excessive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 06:36:43 PM

As TV says if Lescott plays regular games he'll get back up to speed again, he's a really good defender and comfortably good enough to improve us massively.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2013, 06:49:44 PM

Quote from: Richie on May 22, 2013, 06:06:41 PM

http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/22996/villa-linked-with-new-move-for-cresswell

Seems to be highly rated by the Ipswich fans. Not sure if the asking price last year was excessive.

Some papers last year seemed to quote anything up to 6 million, which is too much. I think we apparently offered around 3 iirc.
It would seem that Cresswell was PL's first choice left back. So if he does indeed go back in for him, I wouldn't be surprised. We seemed to hear a lot of nice for a time about signing him last year.
I wouldn't pay any more than 4 though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 22, 2013, 07:28:53 PM

Do you know if he's ever played right back? 
Seem strange to have two rookie left backs in the squad, unless he's adept at covering both full back spots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 22, 2013, 09:50:42 PM

Out of contract players worth investing- Chris Brunt would be good replacement for Nzog and Holman who should both go.
Yossi Benayoun and Emmerson Boyce both on a free??
At Walsall there is a quality player named febian brandy scores a few and hes on a free.
2 solid central defenders Twente Douglas and Zenits Hubocan

And some players Lambert and his scouts should defo go in for !
winger/attacking midfielder Austrian Arnautovic @werder

Shkatars Henrikh Mkhitaryan

Striker Alfie Finnbogason

and Will Hughes Derby !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2013, 10:17:39 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:48:15 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2013, 04:41:22 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

true John

not sure he's made as many as Baker etc

did you see Benteke go past Cahill. Would you have Cahill back? 

good point, but Howson is no Benteke my friend   ;)

Good goal that . I remember it now . But proper Im on holiday defending .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on May 22, 2013, 10:27:29 PM

Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 22, 2013, 09:50:42 PM

2 solid central defenders Twente Douglas and Zenits Hubocan

Olof only signed a one year deal at Villareal, meaning he's available on a free this year. Evidently a "right back" who can play centre half!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on May 22, 2013, 11:19:47 PM

From the Birmingham mail

Darren Bent will be allowed to leave Villa this summer – but the club look set to take a significant hit on the record £24 million fee they paid for the striker.

Right-back understudy Eric Lichaj , third choice goalkeeper Andy Marshall and loanee winger Simon Dawkins will also depart after the claret and blues opted not to renew their deals.

Bent and his representatives met with Villa earlier this week to discuss his future and it was decided the club would listen to offers for the 29-year-old.

He became Villa’s most expensive purchase in January 2011 when he arrived in a deal rising to £24 million from Sunderland and still has two years left on his contract.

But it is thought the club will struggle to attract offers of more than £8 million for Bent after he fell behind Christian Benteke in Paul Lambert’s striking pecking order.

Bent has scored 25 goals in 52 starts and 12 substitute appearance for Villa, the last of which came in Sunday’s draw at Wigan when he put himself in the shop window.

Since top scorer Benteke burst onto the scene, Bent has been limited to 12 league and cup starts and 11 cameos from the bench this season, notching six goals.

Villa had high hopes for Bent when he was signed by Gerard Houllier in a record deal 26 months ago and he scored nine goals, including a debut winner against Manchester City, to keep them in the Premier League.

He also hit 10 goals last season before his campaign was cut short in the February by an ankle problem which wrecked his dream of representing England at Euro 2012.

But despite being handed the captaincy at the start of Lambert’s tenure, Bent has since been restricted to a bit-part role, with injuries and Benteke’s form denying him a run in the first XI.

Bent has returned to the bench recently and started at Wigan on Sunday, but failed to make several matchday squads earlier in the season with Lambert preferring to select rookie striker Jordan Bowery.

Lambert rates the finishing prowess of the former Ipswich, Charlton, Tottenham and Sunderland frontman who is a member of the Premier League 100 goals club and is one of English football’s most prolific scorers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2013, 11:21:20 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 22, 2013, 12:57:10 PM

West Ham are signing Romania's left back, Razvan Rat from Shakhtar on a free. Apart from having the best name in football, the fella is quality. Over 50 games in the Champions League, nearly 100 caps for Romania. He's initially signed a one-year deal with an option of extending it. Would have been ideal to help mentor Bennett.

Is Razvan Romanian for Roland by any chance?!

Thought West Ham would be in for Maynor Figueroa for the LB spot.I would take him, can fill in at centre half aswell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2013, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

He didn't cover himself in glory but no surprise to me Man. City looked a shambles with Micah Richards worming himself back into central defence, yet another player who thinks he can play in a position where in reality he's hopeless apart from the heroic last ditch tackle.

Liked Lescott since he was at Wolves, he would be a fine signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2013, 11:25:05 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 22, 2013, 05:15:34 PM

Lescott isnt any better than Vlaar in my opinion. When I watched City in Europe or in the league, when he's played he seems to have a clanger in him.

The point being the two of them together could have the makings of a good combo with Baker and Clark as solid back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on May 22, 2013, 11:26:45 PM

Has anyone said that we should be looking for "the next" Lescott yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 22, 2013, 11:28:12 PM

My Nose boss was trying to convince me we should re-sign Curtis Davies today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2013, 11:28:16 PM

Quote from: Smoke on May 22, 2013, 11:26:45 PM

Has anyone said that we should be looking for "the next" Lescott yet?

Nextcott

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 22, 2013, 11:31:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2013, 11:28:16 PM

Quote from: Smoke on May 22, 2013, 11:26:45 PM

Has anyone said that we should be looking for "the next" Lescott yet?

Nextcott

Reminds me of 'The Thick of It': "Can you stop calling the shadow cabinet 'Shadcab'? It's fuckannoy."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2013, 11:34:34 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 05:56:30 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 05:41:09 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

No he hasn't. Which is why he has been kept out of the team by Nastasic.

Not being able to get into the Man City team is hardly an indication a player isn't good enough for us right now.

My point is that he lost his place in the first place because he hasn't played well. Whenever I've seen him for Citeh this season, he has looked error-prone and off the pace.

Lescott lost his place because Nastasic and Kompany are excellent defenders who Man City want to build a team round (given their ages).  It happens, Benteke played ahead of Bent, does that mean Bent is washed up and useless or does it mean Benteke is one of the most exciting young players in the league?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Telegraph reckon we won't get more than 6 for Bent.

Even with injuries, and not being in the side, 25 goals in 52 games is worth more than 6 million for a 29 year old! We should, in my view, hold out for around 10 and wait until new managers are in at Stoke and Everton before writing off getting it, as he will be a prime target for new managers at both clubs. I can even see DiCanio wanting him back at Sunderland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 22, 2013, 11:47:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Telegraph reckon we won't get more than 6 for Bent.

Even with injuries, and not being in the side, 25 goals in 52 games is worth more than 6 million for a 29 year old! We should, in my view, hold out for around 10 and wait until new managers are in at Stoke and Everton before writing off getting it, as he will be a prime target for new managers at both clubs. I can even see DiCanio wanting him back at Sunderland.

Yep, squeeze the buggers dry. He'd fit in well at Everton I think, but I'd prefer him to go to Stoke because they'll have to buy loads of players to have him fit into a new system, because he's not much cop in the air.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2013, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Telegraph reckon we won't get more than 6 for Bent.

Even with injuries, and not being in the side, 25 goals in 52 games is worth more than 6 million for a 29 year old! We should, in my view, hold out for around 10 and wait until new managers are in at Stoke and Everton before writing off getting it, as he will be a prime target for new managers at both clubs. I can even see DiCanio wanting him back at Sunderland.

Doubt it, he's black.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2013, 12:06:58 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Telegraph reckon we won't get more than 6 for Bent.

Even with injuries, and not being in the side, 25 goals in 52 games is worth more than 6 million for a 29 year old! We should, in my view, hold out for around 10 and wait until new managers are in at Stoke and Everton before writing off getting it, as he will be a prime target for new managers at both clubs. I can even see DiCanio wanting him back at Sunderland.

Even if we sell him for 8 we've made our money by him as his goals kept us up. Had we gone down we might not have come back up and would have missed out on the PL revenues for the following seasons. As it is he did what he was asked to do, and we'll now save on the wages he earns every week. If that in turn helps us keep Benteke, and give better contracts to those deserving then Bent's sale benefits us even after his departure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 12:32:49 AM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 22, 2013, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2013, 11:41:09 PM

Telegraph reckon we won't get more than 6 for Bent.

Even with injuries, and not being in the side, 25 goals in 52 games is worth more than 6 million for a 29 year old! We should, in my view, hold out for around 10 and wait until new managers are in at Stoke and Everton before writing off getting it, as he will be a prime target for new managers at both clubs. I can even see DiCanio wanting him back at Sunderland.

Doubt it, he's black.

You know, with all happening in OT about the attack in London, it took me a moment to reference mini Mussolini at Sunderland. How silly of me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 23, 2013, 01:03:43 AM

Emerson boyce is a good shout as Eric is off. Though herd can play rb too. This Fa cup winning captain boycey has experience in central defence and offers a threat from a set piece.  If he's on a free can cover backline. Side note feel sorrie for wigan fans who may lose many of their players and their manager i do wonder how their europa league campaign will go. I dont see wigan bak in prem anytime soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2013, 01:34:49 AM

Stoke under Tiny Penis would have been my bet, not so sure now.

Maybe Hull or Palarse, should they come up.

No doubt both would want one of those infamous marquee tent signings, and without the overheads and wage bills other top flight clubs currently possess, they'd be in a better position than most to spend a chunk of the new TV deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2013, 01:44:05 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 23, 2013, 01:03:43 AM

Emerson boyce is a good shout as Eric is off. Though herd can play rb too. This Fa cup winning captain boycey has experience in central defence and offers a threat from a set piece.  If he's on a free can cover backline. Side note feel sorrie for wigan fans who may lose many of their players and their manager i do wonder how their europa league campaign will go. I dont see wigan bak in prem anytime soon.

Beginning to think there might be something in the speculation linking us to Russell Martin at Norwich. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on May 23, 2013, 05:15:53 AM

Quote from: KevinGage on May 23, 2013, 01:34:49 AM

Tiny Penis

Actually caught myself sniggering Beavis-style, that is how stupid that one was!  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 08:10:25 AM

Just been doing a bit of googling, and Rhy Williams who we were heavily linked with last summer has struggled a bit since injury for Boro this apparently, and may be a tad less expensive. 6"2 and can play right back, centre back and holding midfield. With Lichaj going, I would not be at all surprised to see us back in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 23, 2013, 08:47:24 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2013, 11:23:41 PM

Quote from: john e on May 22, 2013, 04:23:53 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 04:15:04 PM

Lescott isn't past it, and in fairness he hasn't really been playing for Citeh.

did you see Howson of Norwich go past him on Saturday, it was the sort of defending we have been giving Baker and Clarke all manner of stick to all season, at least they have an excuse,

 all defenders will make mistakes at times, but he looked for all the world passed it on Saturday when he was wobbling all over the floor with his legs kicking around in the air as Howson stroked the ball into the net

He didn't cover himself in glory but no surprise to me Man. City looked a shambles with Micah Richards worming himself back into central defence, yet another player who thinks he can play in a position where in reality he's hopeless apart from the heroic last ditch tackle.

Liked Lescott since he was at Wolves, he would be a fine signing.

I don't think he fits in with the 'new philosophy' of the club regarding signings,
I'm not against lescott, but i'm not busting a fart out for him,

Lambert has already said 'no big signings' and I think Lescott would fit into that bracket, wrong side of 30, no real sell on value, another ageing player earning 50k + a week, I just cant see it,
I think weve been here before

I think people hang there hat on 'an interest in Dempsey' and a few older players at Norwich,
 but I feel things have changed, Lambert is set on a  new coarse and he wont be deviated from it,
I think any experienced players to Lambert will be no older than 26 maybe 27 at a push,

I could of course be reading it all wrong and we go out and bring in a couple of 30 pluses to shore things up, but thats not how I see things going at the moment

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2013, 10:09:12 AM

holman has to be got rid of to be honest. cant stand him as he is just utterly useless. El Ahmadi if anyone in the Dutch league wants to give us back close to what we paid for him should head off too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2013, 10:55:50 AM

Bent to Liverpool?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on May 23, 2013, 10:58:46 AM

Nope Liverpool's board will not spend heavily on someone of Bent's age

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on May 23, 2013, 11:35:31 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2013, 10:09:12 AM

holman has to be got rid of to be honest. cant stand him as he is just utterly useless. El Ahmadi if anyone in the Dutch league wants to give us back close to what we paid for him should head off too.

I'd give both another season, whereas the likes of Bannan, Albrighton and Delfouneso have had plenty of opportunities now and failed to deliver, I'd rather see the back of them and maybe Herd also (if we get a new right back in) before Holman and KEA.  KEA especially, as a Lambert man will I'm sure get another crack at it next season and may come good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 11:40:05 AM

KEA I would keep, but Holman is the worst footballer in Britain. Nowhere near good enough for the prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 12:09:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 11:40:05 AM

KEA I would keep, but Holman is the worst footballer in Britain. Nowhere near good enough for the prem.

Nothing like an overstatement! He's not even the worst player in the Villa squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 23, 2013, 12:11:41 PM

*Edit - post in wrong thread*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 12:12:48 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 12:09:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 11:40:05 AM

KEA I would keep, but Holman is the worst footballer in Britain. Nowhere near good enough for the prem.

Nothing like an overstatement! He's not even the worst player in the Villa squad.

He is the least talented. Gives it away almost every touch, and is not even a nuisance like he was first few weeks after signing. Can't pass, rarely wins the ball, is anonymous, and shooting is only ok when he has time and space to hit it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2013, 12:13:58 PM

Holman got dog's abuse after the Fulham game, but in his short time on the pitch set up gilt-edged chances for Benteke and Delph which should have won us the game. Nobody else seemed to notice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 12:24:35 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2013, 12:13:58 PM

Holman got dog's abuse after the Fulham game, but in his short time on the pitch set up gilt-edged chances for Benteke and Delph which should have won us the game. Nobody else seemed to notice.

Some people won't notice as they like to have a scapegoat to have a go at.
Some weeks it's been Bannan other weeks somebody else.
 For someone to say Holman is the worst footballer in Britain is yet another example of this, then again some people only look for something to whinge about or follow other people's actions.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Yes he's never the worst footballer in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2013, 12:42:48 PM

I think Holman is one of those Lambert won't be desperate to push out the door for financial reasons, but also who would accept an offer for if a decent one came in.  If he does stay, I can't see him getting any more game time than he got this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 23, 2013, 12:49:33 PM

Granted it may be an overstatement saying Holman is the worst footballer in Britain. But he has no long term future at the club. He was McLeish signing. Bought in primarily for his work rate I imagine. I like Holman. I like his determination and his energy, but technically hes a long way from being Prem standard. And lets face it, the Premiership isn't even the most technical league out there.
I think he'll be sold if an offer comes along. In our preferred system it's also difficult to fit him in.

The way you have to look at it is, can Holman still offer anything to the squad? Is his place on the bench better taken by our youngsters or potential new signings? Most definitely. He'll not be earning peanuts either. He's an Aussie international. He won't be on silly money but we could get a younger, more talented footballer in who'll command less of a salary (initially).

We've got Gardner, Johnson, Carruthers etc coming through the ranks. They've all got potential and should feature next season. I can't see Holman making many matchday squads if he's still here.

As for KEA. He warrants another season to settle in. He's technically proficient, he just needs to get up to the pace of the Prem, and have more impact on games. And he's Lamberts signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 23, 2013, 12:55:31 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Yes he's never the worst footballer in the Premier League.

That is the sole achievement of Ryan Shotton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 23, 2013, 12:56:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 23, 2013, 12:55:31 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Yes he's never the worst footballer in the Premier League.

That is the sole achievement of Ryan Shotton.

You may be right, can't think of anyone worse than Shotton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 01:04:05 PM

Shotton is absolutely dreadful, so that's a good shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Thomas Vermaelen can go for £5million according to the Currant Bun.  Would be worth a shout!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2013, 01:09:09 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Yes he's never the worst footballer in the Premier League.

He runs around a lot, but I maintain talent wise he is a complete donkey. At least Shotton can throw a ball a long way. Holman just runs around a pitch on the edge of a game have very little to no impact.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 23, 2013, 01:09:51 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 01:04:05 PM

Shotton is absolutely dreadful, so that's a good shout.

Never rated Baird he's woeful too. Hill and Derry at QPR. Caldwell. There are far worse players. That said, that still doesn't make Holman Premiership quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2013, 01:18:00 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on May 23, 2013, 12:56:22 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 23, 2013, 12:55:31 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

Yes he's never the worst footballer in the Premier League.

That is the sole achievement of Ryan Shotton.

You may be right, can't think of anyone worse than Shotton.

Phil Bardsley has stole a living in the top division for a good few years now, he'd give Shotton a run for his money.

Holman is up there with Alan Hutton to be honest. Clint Hill, Jay Tabb, Adam Federici stood out last season for the wrong seasons too. To be fair Reading had a squad full of players not good enough for the top level last year. Dean Whitehead is a more established player that I cant understand what anyone sees in him. James Perch, Steve Sidwell, Gary Caldwell, Michael Turner, Matty taylor, Hugo Rodallega are others that wouldnt get a kick in a stampede.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 23, 2013, 01:21:08 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Thomas Vermaelen can go for £5million according to the Currant Bun.  Would be worth a shout!

Yes. But he wouldn't come here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 02:23:13 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2013, 01:21:08 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Thomas Vermaelen can go for £5million according to the Currant Bun.  Would be worth a shout!

Yes. But he wouldn't come here.

He's also a very poor central defender.

Could have a good career as a defensive midfielder though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2013, 02:25:33 PM

Europa cup winners will get into Champions league soon.

Better try and win a cup then ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2013, 02:27:53 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

he looks absolute rubbish recently . Knackered before he kicks a ball.  Time to get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on May 23, 2013, 02:28:03 PM

Quote from: glasses on May 23, 2013, 12:28:19 PM

The scapegoat was Petrov for a time. Hard to imagine that now.

I don't rate Holman, but agree the comment about him being the worst footballer in the Villa squad is daft. So long as Chris Herd is in the squad.

I am in shock. 

A post that speaks sense!

Whatever next?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on May 23, 2013, 02:29:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 02:23:13 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2013, 01:21:08 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Thomas Vermaelen can go for £5million according to the Currant Bun.  Would be worth a shout!

Yes. But he wouldn't come here.

He's also a very poor central defender.

Could have a good career as a defensive midfielder though.

I think he could be alright just had a bad season. Get Benteke to have a word with him .. as long as it him to us and not the the other way round.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 23, 2013, 02:34:41 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

You're not. 

It takes players time to adapt to the pace of the Prem and Holman is no different in that sense.  His defensive side of his game is very poor though.  He needs to sort that out and reproduce the form of the first 4 or 5 games at the beginning of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2013, 02:41:04 PM

just read Benteke's comment on ESPN about not being held against his will by Villa ? With talks delayed whilst he is with the Belgian squad, things don't look quite so optimistic. Hope its just  the usual posturing as we badly need the guy next season at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2013, 03:00:31 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2013, 02:41:04 PM

just read Benteke's comment on ESPN about not being held against his will by Villa ?

Being discussed in the Benteke thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2013, 03:01:26 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2013, 02:41:04 PM

just read Benteke's comment on ESPN about not being held against his will by Villa ? With talks delayed whilst he is with the Belgian squad, things don't look quite so optimistic. Hope its just  the usual posturing as we badly need the guy next season at least.

He is still under contract for the next three years come what may.  Villa hold the cards on this, its not like he only has a year left and I am pretty sure that the newspapers are hamming this up because they'd like him to join one of the London clubs because it suits their agenda.  Great player, would love him to stay.  If he doesn't, we'll get at least 25mill for him.  Lambert will pull off another couple of clever signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 03:46:57 PM

Titus Bramble is available. Experienced.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 03:48:07 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 03:46:57 PM

Titus Bramble is available. Experienced.

and one of the worst central defenders the league has ever seen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 23, 2013, 03:49:26 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2013, 02:41:04 PM

just read Benteke's comment on ESPN about not being held against his will by Villa ? With talks delayed whilst he is with the Belgian squad, things don't look quite so optimistic. Hope its just  the usual posturing as we badly need the guy next season at least.

Don't bother reading it, reckon it's a load of bo***ks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 23, 2013, 03:56:44 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 23, 2013, 02:34:41 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

You're not. 

It takes players time to adapt to the pace of the Prem and Holman is no different in that sense.  His defensive side of his game is very poor though.  He needs to sort that out and reproduce the form of the first 4 or 5 games at the beginning of the season.

Except that Holman doesn't have a problem with the pace of the league. He just has no quality on the ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 04:04:38 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 23, 2013, 03:56:44 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 23, 2013, 02:34:41 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

You're not. 

It takes players time to adapt to the pace of the Prem and Holman is no different in that sense.  His defensive side of his game is very poor though.  He needs to sort that out and reproduce the form of the first 4 or 5 games at the beginning of the season.

Except that Holman doesn't have a problem with the pace of the league. He just has no quality on the ball.

Holman is a frustrating one, when he does something good he can look like a decent player but his decision making and technique are really poor.  I agree the pace of the game isn't the problem, it's the level of concentration and skill required that he struggles with, the game just seems to pass him by despite the fact that he's running all over the place.  I don't think he'll improve (unlike KEA who I think could become a very good player as his issues are to do with the pace of the game) so I'd be willing to listen to any half decent offer, at his age he probably wants more game time as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 23, 2013, 04:45:22 PM

Agree Paul. I thought his best performances were the games against Newcastle and Swansea earlier in the season when he played deep and his only job was to close down the opposition. Which sums him up really. Whenever he was played in an advanced role, he offered little other then shooting on sight. If we receive any sort of bid for him we shouldn't hesitate to accept it. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 23, 2013, 04:48:06 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on May 23, 2013, 02:29:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 02:23:13 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2013, 01:21:08 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Thomas Vermaelen can go for £5million according to the Currant Bun.  Would be worth a shout!

Yes. But he wouldn't come here.

He's also a very poor central defender.

Could have a good career as a defensive midfielder though.

I think he could be alright just had a bad season. Get Benteke to have a word with him .. as long as it him to us and not the the other way round.

There was a time a couple of seasons ago when he was the most highly rated defender in the Prem, because he could defend and could score. He's worth a second look on the basis of that alone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on May 23, 2013, 04:54:16 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 23, 2013, 04:45:22 PM

Agree Paul. I thought his best performances were the games against Newcastle and Swansea earlier in the season when he played deep and his only job was to close down the opposition. Which sums him up really. Whenever he was played in an advanced role, he offered little other then shooting on sight. If we receive any sort of bid for him we shouldn't hesitate to accept it. 

Watching Holman always reminds me of me in the school basketball team - I was basically crap so on court was just used to press the ball and annoy the opponent in possession. I couldn't do anything if I ever won the ball and don't think I ever scored even when I somehow won a free throw

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2013, 05:00:18 PM

If and when Bent leaves,  FC Copenhagen's Andreas Cornelius looks a great prospect. Everton were said to be interested in him. Certainly looks like he offers more technically than that bloke from Burnley. He's only 20  and scored a load already this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 23, 2013, 05:40:27 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2013, 04:48:06 PM

He's worth a second look on the basis of that alone.

And then No Thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 23, 2013, 05:54:07 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 03:48:07 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 03:46:57 PM

Titus Bramble is available. Experienced.

and one of the worst central defenders the league has ever seen.

For me he is one of those players that looks okay relatively out of the spotlight and pressure, like at Ipswich and Wigan. But his spells at Newcastle and Sunderland have looked 'a bit iffy' to say the least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 23, 2013, 05:56:23 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on May 23, 2013, 05:54:07 PM

Quote from: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 03:48:07 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 03:46:57 PM

Titus Bramble is available. Experienced.

and one of the worst central defenders the league has ever seen.

For me he is one of those players that looks okay relatively out of the spotlight and pressure, like at Ipswich and Wigan. But his spells at Newcastle and Sunderland have looked 'a bit iffy' to say the least.

he's the sort of player MON would have bought,
 and we would have  been reading posts saying it could be a MON masterstroke signing to try and justify it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2013, 05:59:43 PM

Vermaelen turned us down before joining Arsenal. He's been decent at times for them but probably didn't live-up to what they would have hoped for long term. Would rival Vlaar for those long-range thumpers. Maybe a better sigining than another almost one-time Villan, Haangeland, who has looked ropey on occasion for Fulham recently but might be available.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2013, 06:50:02 PM

Vermaelan would be after more money than we'd pay.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2013, 07:26:53 PM

As I say, I don't rate Vermaelan as a central defender, his flaws and mistakes are very similar to those of Clark.  He got away with it in his first season because Arsenal were controlling possession and he was scoring the odd screamer, in the last 18months he's gone backwards and it's no shock that he gets nowhere near the arsenal defence when they're all available.  If he was in his early 20s and cheap I'd be willing to give him a go but he'd come in as our highest earner for a comparatively big fee, so it's a no for me.

As for Bramble, just no, how he's still a premier league player I have no idea, he's awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on May 23, 2013, 07:51:46 PM

Celtic have been linked with Aleksandar Tonev of Lech Poznan in the past. He is 23 and can play as a winger, and could be an option to give us some formational flexibility. Based on his age and the level that he is currently playing at I would have thought he would fit our recruitment strategy - but the Polish league might not be on Lambert's radar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 23, 2013, 08:01:49 PM

not necessary as German team like to recruit from Poland, and he is influenced by Borussia Dortmund method. And it is a good marketing opportunity to get those Polish emigrants to support the team with polish players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 23, 2013, 08:34:27 PM

It is amazing how many people continue to post names on here of well-established, high earning, ageing Premier League players.  Bramble? Vermaelen?? Lambert and Lerner have made it crystal clear that they will not sign any such types.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2013, 08:38:17 PM

Vermaelan is 27 I wouldn't say he's ageing. We won't sign him, but he's not old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 23, 2013, 08:40:50 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on May 23, 2013, 08:34:27 PM

It is amazing how many people continue to post names on here of well-established, high earning, ageing Premier League players.  Bramble? Vermaelen?? Lambert and Lerner have made it crystal clear that they will not sign any such types.

Correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 08:41:58 PM

Jesus I was only being sarcastic about Bramble. Id rather have his dad Wilfred.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2013, 08:43:33 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on May 23, 2013, 08:41:58 PM

Jesus I was only being sarcastic about Bramble. Id rather have his dad Wilfred.

Think you're a bit too old for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 23, 2013, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 22, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I like herd to stay. I dont nzogbia - but suspect Monaco would want bigger players than him and he doesn't fit criteria of what Monaco are striving to achieve. The mail would be more realistic if they said Nzogbia and Herd were wanted by m'boro. Nursey in mirror could have some accuracy with the mention of Lambert targeting 2 new full backs, an experienced centre half and a creative midfielder. I myselfclearly stated want i feel is necessary 8 players and would like at least 6. Am taking into account players who will be shipped out. So 1 gk. Full back- left. Centre back. Creative midfielder, Goalscoring midfielder, 2 wingers, and a striker. 

And if Lowtongetsinjured?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2013, 09:01:34 PM

We're more likely to sign someone from Crewe than Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 23, 2013, 09:08:27 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 22, 2013, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 22, 2013, 04:50:34 PM

He may have had a bad game, but he's generally looked strong and dependable for City and England this season.

No he hasn't. Which is why he has been kept out of the team by Nastasic.

My Man City mate said he was dropped because he's rubbish on the ball. Nastasic has come in and been brilliant all round- so he says - and he's only 18 or 19. Lescott has been out for most of the season and was bound to be rusty against Norwich. If it was a choice between Lescott and BakerIthink I and many on here would take that. I personally would be absolutely delighted if we signed him. It would very much be an improvement and a step in the right direction in trying to sort out an obvious problem area, however old he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2013, 10:23:08 PM

As others have said, whatever the abilities of Lescott, he's not coming. It would cost a fortune in wages to bring him here and Citeh will have to pay him something to leave, so you'd have an ageing defender on big wages who doesn't particulary want to be here - isn't that how Dunne arrived?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 23, 2013, 10:31:12 PM

Ryan Shawcross? Douglas? James Chester?

I just watched the Wigan highlights. Fucking hell our defence is bad.

My biggest concern is that whoever we get in, it's the lack of organisation and shape that is as much the problem. You wonder about the coaching

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 10:32:03 PM

Judging by Paul Lamberts comments on the footballers football show tonight he wont be buying experienced players in, only players who want to play for the shirt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2013, 10:38:34 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 10:32:03 PM

Judging by Paul Lamberts comments on the footballers football show tonight he wont be buying experienced players in, only players who want to play for the shirt.

Seems a very dodgy philosophy to me. I understand we can't or won't pay  50k a week wages but we should be able to afford experienced players surely, and we need them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 23, 2013, 10:39:52 PM

I have a feeling we might go for Dragovic. Ticks all the boxes really.
And I'd definitely go for Lescott to partner him.

Lowton, Dragovic, Lescott (or Douglas), Creswell (or Bertrand).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 23, 2013, 11:02:47 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 23, 2013, 10:32:03 PM

Judging by Paul Lamberts comments on the footballers football show tonight he wont be buying experienced players in, only players who want to play for the shirt.

That was the gist of what he said, but I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive. He alluded to players whose first question is how much is in it for them financially. I would suspect that as a Villa fan from the Midlands who is already a millionaire Lescott would be up for the move. The question would be his hunger/desire for the challenge. Based on what I heard from him tonight I would trust Paul Lambert to judge that. Bearing in mind there is a world cup in a year and Lescott still has a fighting chance of being there if he plays regularly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2013, 11:06:25 PM

Quote from: jeowje on May 23, 2013, 02:24:34 PM

Am i the only one who thinks that Holman can look useful at times? Around november time he was well thought of by most on here i seem to recall?

Yeah Holman looked good the first few weeks against Newcastle and Swansea. Another who seemed to lose his way during 15-0, he came on against WBA with 20 minutes left and pretty sure he didn't touch the ball in that spell and was used sparingly after that.

Maybe a Palace or Hull will come in for him, I'd probably let him go tbh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2013, 11:12:03 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 23, 2013, 10:31:12 PM

Ryan Shawcross? Douglas? James Chester?

I just watched the Wigan highlights. Fucking hell our defence is bad.

My biggest concern is that whoever we get in, it's the lack of organisation and shape that is as much the problem. You wonder about the coaching

Shawcross has a long term contract at Stoke. Sort of player MON would've signed.

Chester. Fits the profile of what we've signed in the last year, might stick around at Hull now they're up.

Douglas. Were linked with him last summer and he's on a free. Could be a target.

I'd be very happy if our 3 defensive signings this summer were Lescott, Maynor Figueroa and Russell Martin. Martin looks the most likely as the other two are around 30 but then again defenders improve later with age more than in the other positions so would be just the wage issues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2013, 11:17:08 PM

I do like Lescott but i just can't see it unless we took him on loan. He cost them over 20m and must be on 90k a week or more.  Add to that he's 31 in August.

Nah.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2013, 11:34:53 PM

N'zonzi put in a transfer request at Stoke, anyone want him?

I personally think he's a clogger, Diame is a much better player imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 23, 2013, 11:45:49 PM

Never rated him. A big fucking lummox.
Ideal for the club he's at. No doubt he'll head straight to the next best thing: West Ham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 23, 2013, 11:57:35 PM

By all accounts Lambert signs players with non prem experience and not massively known. Vlaar an expection. January saw dawkins and sylla 2 players no one had mentioned and not so familiar with. i imagine the same will apply again. Dale Jennings is someone who having been with Bayern is being released back to England. Previously at Tranmere a young hungry player with attacking instinct. Will offer the  width i have been mentioning -from the 2 wingers plus 6 others we need in. Definitely can see the Jennings move as a positive capture. Lambert and Jennings both at Wembley sat maybe a deal can be done..   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 24, 2013, 12:14:24 AM

The bit about 'play for the shirt' does not exclude older players. If we put a 32 year old out of league 2 in the team he'd run his bollocks off, just as Dave Simmons once did.

The real problem is that for some, money is a reason for signing but not a reason for playing. We need players for whom Villa represents genuine opportunity, one way or another.

Right now, moving to VP from almost any PL side, for an 'experienced player', is not a sufficient step up. But it might be for players based abroad. Whatever can be said about the success of Vlaar, Holman and KEA, they haven't been found wanting when it comes to commitment.

There are exceptions to not buying from other PL clubs, Lescott may well be one of them.

I'm not sure about value for money, given his age, but I'd be very confident he wouldn't see VP as a place to turn money over and nothing else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rooboy316 on May 24, 2013, 06:58:18 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

IF, and that's still a big if, he goes, it'll have to be a big signing to compensate for the massive hole he will leave. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2013, 07:06:15 AM

Quote from: rooboy316 on May 24, 2013, 06:58:18 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

IF, and that's still a big if, he goes, it'll have to be a big signing to compensate for the massive hole he will leave. 

I hope scouts will have already found a couple. Big or not so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 24, 2013, 08:23:27 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 23, 2013, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 22, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I like herd to stay. I dont nzogbia - but suspect Monaco would want bigger players than him and he doesn't fit criteria of what Monaco are striving to achieve. The mail would be more realistic if they said Nzogbia and Herd were wanted by m'boro. Nursey in mirror could have some accuracy with the mention of Lambert targeting 2 new full backs, an experienced centre half and a creative midfielder. I myselfclearly stated want i feel is necessary 8 players and would like at least 6. Am taking into account players who will be shipped out. So 1 gk. Full back- left. Centre back. Creative midfielder, Goalscoring midfielder, 2 wingers, and a striker. 

And if Lowtongetsinjured?

Chris herd

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2013, 08:38:53 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2013, 10:23:08 PM

As others have said, whatever the abilities of Lescott, he's not coming. It would cost a fortune in wages to bring him here and Citeh will have to pay him something to leave, so you'd have an ageing defender on big wages who doesn't particulary want to be here - isn't that how Dunne arrived?

Ping.

I've never felt for one minute that Dunne wanted to be here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 24, 2013, 08:59:45 AM

well i like Chris herd and so does Paul Lambert. He is a player who can play a variety of positions including right back. Lowton has had a great record of playing majority of matches last season and perhaps a cover player is not needed to buy in  when we have herdy. Ryan shotton and Danny Simpson both on frees but of no interest to Villa. I touted Boycey but seems Lambert not interested in going down that route. All in all Herd is more than capable of right back though his best position for me is in middle of park. The right back place is nt the priority for how i see. 1 Gk, Left back, Central defender, 2 midfielders, 2 wide players and 1 striker maybe 2 (pending sit) . Could be 9 players now needed. Certainly depends on outgoings . So it can be 6 or 7 signings for these places mentioned. Something along those lines i believe   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2013, 10:32:06 AM

N'Zonzi is a useless thug, no thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2013, 10:46:41 AM

I genuinely believe that Herd can be a very useful right back. It's just that he hasn't had much opportunity there yet.
As back up to Lowton I have no problem with him at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2013, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

Jones is absolute shite anyway. No way.
With Benteke wanting out, I think Lambert and Lerners plan for unearthing young lower paid players has been found out to be flawed. If we want to improve we need to sign better players. Top players want to earn top money and play at the best sides.
Now that doesn't mean doing a MON and bringing in the Heskey, Harewood and Beye's when there are far superior players even in the non leagues. But to keep our top players like Benteke we need to compensate them appropriately. The young and hungry mantra is deeply flawed. Plenty of experienced players are still top quality players with buckets of desire to succeed and would add hugely to our team and squad. Lescott and Barry are cause celebres at this stage but they would hugely improve our first team if the price was right. I can't see how the price wouldn't be for both of those. It's all about getting the balance in the squad right, IMO Lambert got it desperately wrong for most of the campaign as the goals conceded column makes evidently clear.
Just hope Lambert isn't incredibly naive to the consistent asset stripping that Lerner has employed since MON left. Sure things had to change but if Benteke is replaced by a Troy Deeney this summer I'm afraid the notion of Villa as a club on the up will be just that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2013, 11:10:41 AM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2013, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

Jones is absolute shite anyway. No way.
With Benteke wanting out, I think Lambert and Lerners plan for unearthing young lower paid players has been found out to be flawed. If we want to improve we need to sign better players. Top players want to earn top money and play at the best sides.
Now that doesn't mean doing a MON and bringing in the Heskey, Harewood and Beye's when there are far superior players even in the non leagues. But to keep our top players like Benteke we need to compensate them appropriately. The young and hungry mantra is deeply flawed. Plenty of experienced players are still top quality players with buckets of desire to succeed and would add hugely to our team and squad. Lescott and Barry are cause celebres at this stage but they would hugely improve our first team if the price was right. I can't see how the price wouldn't be for both of those. It's all about getting the balance in the squad right, IMO Lambert got it desperately wrong for most of the campaign as the goals conceded column makes evidently clear.
Just hope Lambert isn't incredibly naive to the consistent asset stripping that Lerner has employed since MON left. Sure things had to change but if Benteke is replaced by a Troy Deeney this summer I'm afraid the notion of Villa as a club on the up will be just that.

With Benteke wanting out?  You've decided he's leaving, he hasn't decided yet.
Compensate them appropriately - by, as is widely reported, doubling their wages?
Asset Stripping since Mon Left? - We have a net spend of £8m since Mon left - reduced spending and reduction in the wage bill I accept but who spends money during a process of asset stripping?
Replaced by Troy Deeney - Who we've not been linked to, are unlikely to have any interest in - nice choice to prove your point of how shit everything is though.

The alternative is:
Benteke is a Villa player and will be coming back from the internationals to discuss an improved deal - let's see what happens rather than making stuff up to justify panicking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2013, 11:30:22 AM

James Nursey has said Bent, Ireland and Bannan can go if the right bids land.

Albrighton has got another chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2013, 11:43:31 AM

Villa would be barmy to let Bent go if there is any danger whatsoever that Benteke might go.  If Bent IS going, then I am presuming its because the club KNOW that Benteke is staying.

Also, just to clarify something.  I DO remember reading that Troy Deeney was actually linked with Villa a while back.  Can't remember where or who by though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2013, 11:44:37 AM

Albrighton probably gets chance has hes been injured but he was looking pretty poor before , maybe PL can sort him out.

Good luck to Bent . I like him as a player and did not let us down . Great scoring record. West ham maybe or Fulham.

Bannan maybe Celtic or a Hull .  I dont think he is good enough level for us .

Ireland . Whos going to buy him ;(     Shame QPR was never interested last summer . Have Cardiff got any money?  Bellamy said he is the best player he has ever played with .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2013, 11:55:48 AM

All I can think in the case of Alby is that he's not really had the chance under Lambert since we switched to played with a little more width with the 3 up top. I'd hope he could get back to his best. I like Albrighton. He works hard, he's got a good attitude. I don't think he'll make it long term if I'm being honest, but I hope he proves me wrong. He does deserve enough few swings in the batting cage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 24, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2013, 10:46:41 AM

I genuinely believe that Herd can be a very useful right back. It's just that he hasn't had much opportunity there yet.
As back up to Lowton I have no problem with him at all.

If he had a good record of being available I would agree but he seems rather injury prone. PL also seems to use him as cover at centre back rather than right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 24, 2013, 01:15:28 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2013, 11:44:37 AM

Albrighton probably gets chance has hes been injured but he was looking pretty poor before , maybe PL can sort him out.

Good luck to Bent . I like him as a player and did not let us down . Great scoring record. West ham maybe or Fulham.

Bannan maybe Celtic or a Hull .  I dont think he is good enough level for us .

Ireland . Whos going to buy him ;(     Shame QPR was never interested last summer . Have Cardiff got any money?  Bellamy said he is the best player he has ever played with .

Bannan will probably end up back in Scotland like is suggested here, we'll forget him and he'll get signed by some struggling PL team and become their brilliant playmaker, a la Shaun Maloney.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 24, 2013, 01:42:31 PM

Wouldn't be amazed if Bannan went to Celtic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2013, 01:45:40 PM

They couldn't afford his wages. If I was them I'd be saving my money for when their bigot brothers return and they have to compete again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2013, 01:49:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2013, 10:46:41 AM

I genuinely believe that Herd can be a very useful right back. It's just that he hasn't had much opportunity there yet.
As back up to Lowton I have no problem with him at all.

If he had a good record of being available I would agree but he seems rather injury prone. PL also seems to use him as cover at centre back rather than right back.

I think that was more a case of emergency to be honest. And he didn't do too badly considering.
But, the injury record is something to keep an eye on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 24, 2013, 02:15:39 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2013, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

Jones is absolute shite anyway. No way.
With Benteke wanting out, I think Lambert and Lerners plan for unearthing young lower paid players has been found out to be flawed. If we want to improve we need to sign better players. Top players want to earn top money and play at the best sides.
Now that doesn't mean doing a MON and bringing in the Heskey, Harewood and Beye's when there are far superior players even in the non leagues. But to keep our top players like Benteke we need to compensate them appropriately. The young and hungry mantra is deeply flawed. Plenty of experienced players are still top quality players with buckets of desire to succeed and would add hugely to our team and squad. Lescott and Barry are cause celebres at this stage but they would hugely improve our first team if the price was right. I can't see how the price wouldn't be for both of those. It's all about getting the balance in the squad right, IMO Lambert got it desperately wrong for most of the campaign as the goals conceded column makes evidently clear.
Just hope Lambert isn't incredibly naive to the consistent asset stripping that Lerner has employed since MON left. Sure things had to change but if Benteke is replaced by a Troy Deeney this summer I'm afraid the notion of Villa as a club on the up will be just that.

Quote from: brontebilly on May 24, 2013, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 06:28:46 AM

If benteke did go, I wonder who we'd be looking at? Presumably someone of a similar ilk. Lukaku on loan is an obvious shout if not entirely satisfactory

Wilfred bony? He doesn't quite seem the target man type. Gomis? Kenwyne jones? Jordan Rhodes?

Probably best not to start getting into all this, I just hope the club are identifying targets

Jones is absolute shite anyway. No way.
With Benteke wanting out, I think Lambert and Lerners plan for unearthing young lower paid players has been found out to be flawed. If we want to improve we need to sign better players. Top players want to earn top money and play at the best sides.
Now that doesn't mean doing a MON and bringing in the Heskey, Harewood and Beye's when there are far superior players even in the non leagues. But to keep our top players like Benteke we need to compensate them appropriately. The young and hungry mantra is deeply flawed. Plenty of experienced players are still top quality players with buckets of desire to succeed and would add hugely to our team and squad. Lescott and Barry are cause celebres at this stage but they would hugely improve our first team if the price was right. I can't see how the price wouldn't be for both of those. It's all about getting the balance in the squad right, IMO Lambert got it desperately wrong for most of the campaign as the goals conceded column makes evidently clear.
Just hope Lambert isn't incredibly naive to the consistent asset stripping that Lerner has employed since MON left. Sure things had to change but if Benteke is replaced by a Troy Deeney this summer I'm afraid the notion of Villa as a club on the up will be just that.

How is the young and hungry mantra found to be flawed? These inexperienced youngsters got more points than the previous way under TSM over a season. Dortmund went down the same approach of bringing in youngsters because they were about to go bust and that is a team that has eventually blossomed.
You can't achieve a top 6 team overnight unless you have bags of money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2013, 03:27:07 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2013, 11:43:31 AM

Villa would be barmy to let Bent go if there is any danger whatsoever that Benteke might go.  If Bent IS going, then I am presuming its because the club KNOW that Benteke is staying.

Also, just to clarify something.  I DO remember reading that Troy Deeney was actually linked with Villa a while back.  Can't remember where or who by though.

The only link is that our scouts have watched them a few times, there's been hints at us being interested in 3-4 Watford players (vydra and murray I can recall).

My response was mainly down to the:

If we sell him (which we will because we always do - fucking lerner)
If we replace him with {insert player you don't rate}
and
If we're shit next year then...

There's a bunch of dubious IFs there and it's all very ranty - 1 week after the season has finished with no transfer dealings done.  I just don't understand why someone would want to think that way, it's glorifying in potential misery.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 24, 2013, 03:29:42 PM

Lots of people saying great things about Dortmund...have you noticed they are selling at least two of their best players?
Its the way of the world and we can't keep calling our club small or slagging them off when we know if a player wants to go, he will.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 24, 2013, 03:51:34 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 24, 2013, 03:29:42 PM

Lots of people saying great things about Dortmund...have you noticed they are selling at least two of their best players?
Its the way of the world and we can't keep calling our club small or slagging them off when we know if a player wants to go, he will.

I'd rather be in their position comparatively speaking than ours

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on May 24, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on May 24, 2013, 03:51:34 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 24, 2013, 03:29:42 PM

Lots of people saying great things about Dortmund...have you noticed they are selling at least two of their best players?
Its the way of the world and we can't keep calling our club small or slagging them off when we know if a player wants to go, he will.

I'd rather be in their position comparatively speaking than ours

There squad only cost £30million too. Well done to them. Hope they win on Sat - gives hope us 'poorer' clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2013, 05:08:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2013, 11:43:31 AM

Villa would be barmy to let Bent go if there is any danger whatsoever that Benteke might go.  If Bent IS going, then I am presuming its because the club KNOW that Benteke is staying.

Also, just to clarify something.  I DO remember reading that Troy Deeney was actually linked with Villa a while back.  Can't remember where or who by though.

Deeney has been linked with a move to Villa more than once in recent months. Possibly more likely, Cresswell is being linked with us again after confirmed interest from us last summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2013, 05:16:44 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 24, 2013, 03:29:42 PM

Lots of people saying great things about Dortmund...have you noticed they are selling at least two of their best players?
Its the way of the world and we can't keep calling our club small or slagging them off when we know if a player wants to go, he will.

When you say they are selling at least two or their best players it would be fair to point out that they have so far sold one player, where the decision was out of their hands due to a (thirty million plus) buy out clause being activated. The upside to that is they are now in a very good position to either keep the rest of their players or demand top dollar (or euro) for anyone else they choose to sell for the right price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 24, 2013, 05:30:59 PM

Lukaku would be a great replacement for Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 24, 2013, 06:07:28 PM

Like someone said earlier, if we sell Benteke, we should keep Bent - that is, unless Lambert has some other unheralded striker on his radar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy65 on May 24, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

Tokoyo

Bent is a different player and doesnt suit the way we play under Lambert. He will leave whatever happens with Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 24, 2013, 07:31:28 PM

I agree. He can't play in our system

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2013, 08:00:07 PM

Bent is irrelevant to what happens with Tekkers. Bent can't play in the system that works for Lambert. He's going to move whatever happens.
I'd also trust Lambert and his scouts to get an adequate replacement for Benteke. They wont get anyone as good, I'm sure of that. Players like CB come along very rarely to clubs who don't consistently challenge for major honours. But if Benteke did leave, I'd trust Lambert to bring in a forward who could score 15 odd a season.

I'd also expect him to add some goals to our midfield for next season too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete Tom on May 24, 2013, 08:28:43 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on May 24, 2013, 05:08:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 24, 2013, 11:43:31 AM

Villa would be barmy to let Bent go if there is any danger whatsoever that Benteke might go.  If Bent IS going, then I am presuming its because the club KNOW that Benteke is staying.

Also, just to clarify something.  I DO remember reading that Troy Deeney was actually linked with Villa a while back.  Can't remember where or who by though.

Deeney has been linked with a move to Villa more than once in recent months. Possibly more likely, Cresswell is being linked with us again after confirmed interest from us last summer.

I have been to quite a few Watford games this season as Watford is my current home:

Deeney would seem to be and unlikely signing to me as he obviously loves his current club, who, alongside the 'Orns fans have stuck by him during a difficult (self inflicted) time. He works his socks off for the team and has scored some vital goals but is still prone to a few silly, petulant mistakes. Although he is from Brum and had a spell in our youth system, I thought he was a Blues fan?

Vydra has been poor in the second half of the season. To be fair, he came back from serious injury last seaon and was only expected to play 30 games this season. Murray has completely dropped off of the radar following injury and the influx of loanees.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 24, 2013, 10:17:57 PM

After last summer's signings we're going to be linked (or used by players' agents) to practically every young player with potential from the lower leagues. Occasionally even a blind squirrel will find a nut but most of the time they're wandering around aimlessly in the dark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on May 24, 2013, 10:22:23 PM

It's more interesting than being linked with NRC and half of the Wigan/Reading/QPR squads.
The whole Benteke is he or isn't he off thing is going to really get on my tits though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2013, 10:25:54 PM

We've lost our Head Groundsman to PSG, does that count as a transfer? Did a great job tbf. Good luck to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on May 24, 2013, 10:48:31 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 24, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

Tokoyo

Bent is a different player and doesnt suit the way we play under Lambert. He will leave whatever happens with Benteke

Absolutely. They are totally different in what they offer and if Benteke leaves, and I don't think he will, we need someone who can hold the ball up like he does.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 24, 2013, 11:10:03 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on May 24, 2013, 10:48:31 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 24, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

Tokoyo

Bent is a different player and doesnt suit the way we play under Lambert. He will leave whatever happens with Benteke

Absolutely. They are totally different in what they offer and if Benteke leaves, and I don't think he will, we need someone who can hold the ball up like he does.

I have a feeling we'll sign another player in the Benteke mould this summer.  (Maybe someone raw from the second tier of French or Belgian football, for the same type of fee as Bowery.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2013, 11:28:54 PM

I'd prefer to keep Bent if Benteke goes. Strangely enough 15 goal a season strikers aren't easy to find and as we saw, play him and Bent scores even when he apparently doesn't fit Lambert's style of play. I'm also amazed how everyone assumes Lambert would have a ready made replacement lined up.  Seeing Benteke probably kept us up, then chucking out another guy who can score double figures in the league to a rival is probably not that advisable

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 25, 2013, 06:38:10 AM

I wouldn't sell Bent until we got replacement as Benteke could be sold or get injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2013, 06:50:10 AM

The problem is Bent is not a replacement for any of our forwards. Move him on and trust Lambert to replace him with someone who will fit into the system.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 25, 2013, 07:02:09 AM

PL has mentioned that originally he planned to play Bent with Benteke but Bent was injured and he changed his tactics. I do not see why PL could not incorporate Bent back into his system especially now he has a whole summer to bring in different players to assist a new style of play ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2013, 07:12:09 AM

It has taken us a long time to adjust to a certain style and system. It is working very well with the three up top. I just can not see Bent in that Benteke role and definitely not the role the other two play.
I just hope Benteke stays and we get some decent money on Bent and replace him with someone who will fit in. I do like Bent and he will score goals for another team.

I think Greg, Bent might score a few if we played him all season in Benteke's role, however we will also lose a lot of those matches as the whole team will suffer as he will not play that role very well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2013, 07:15:30 AM

The 433 or 4231 suits the rest of our players so well though.

Bent has to play in a 442. Hardly anyone plays 442 for a reason.hats why players like bent and Michael Owen are increasingly finding it difficult.

He could be a good fit for a Fulham because Berbatov can play the number ten role and help them build attacks with his back to goal.

We were having this debate about bent before benteke arrived. It was no coincidence that our best performance under McLeish was at Chelsea, where gabby was up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 25, 2013, 07:57:15 AM

Having just watched Bents goal at Wigan i just get the feeling we are letting a prolific premier goal scorer walk out the back door. Something like 25 goals in 52 appearances is incredible and the value of a player of that calibre in any team is something that has to be looked at and questioned ......... 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 25, 2013, 08:03:10 AM

Maybe Lambert is just getting rid of Bent on a whim...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2013, 08:10:25 AM

There's also the point that Bent's 29 and has to be playing regular football - not being back-up to Benteke. In another year's time his market value will drop steeply so now is really the time to sell to recoup as much as his transfer fee as possible. And if Benteke is staying, then Bent will become an increasingly frustrated player.

If Benteke were to leave, presumably we would get about £30m for him. Benteke's more than just the goalscorer that Bent is - he's integral to our style of play. Whilst Bent goes missing for most of our games, Benteke wins and increasingly keeps the ball and plays others in. We would need to use some of that £30m to find someone similar so irregardless of what happens with Benteke, Bent needs to be sold.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2013, 08:19:26 AM

Aren't we meant to be bringing Harry Forrester back this summer? That's what I've heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on May 25, 2013, 08:36:43 AM

I imagine we want Bent gone more for his age, wages and value than his footballing skills.

It makes sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 25, 2013, 08:42:38 AM

I'm a big fan of Bent but him leaving isnt a case of not needing him but not making best use of him considering his great expense.
So I'm disappointed to see him go but I can understand why. Our system isn't set up for him although he would still score goals, and he needs to be playing.

I'm fairly sure Benteke will be here for at least another season but if he were to leave there are more suitable alternatives. We could throw money at Chelsea for Lukaku or take him on loan maybe. It would be nice to have them both of course but that will never happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2013, 08:49:46 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 25, 2013, 07:15:30 AM

The 433 or 4231 suits the rest of our players so well though.

Bent has to play in a 442. Hardly anyone plays 442 for a reason.hats why players like bent and Michael Owen are increasingly finding it difficult.

He could be a good fit for a Fulham because Berbatov can play the number ten role and help them build attacks with his back to goal.

We were having this debate about bent before benteke arrived. It was no coincidence that our best performance under McLeish was at Chelsea, where gabby was up front.

Bent made his name playing in a 4-5-1 at Charlton and also played upfront on his own in his first season here under Houllier.  Thing with him is he offers very little in terms on contribution to the build up play, so you have to compensate for that, as we did by having Ash behind him and Downing wide getting crosses in.

So, in the VERY unlikely case of Benteke going and him staying, we'd need to spend on some attacking midfielders to feed him.  Problem with that is are we strong enough in the centre midfield area to to so?     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2013, 08:53:39 AM

Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2013, 10:25:54 PM

We've lost our Head Groundsman to PSG, does that count as a transfer? Did a great job tbf. Good luck to him.

Once again we can't seem to hold on to world class talent! These mega rich clubs keep plundering us at will.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2013, 08:55:03 AM

I agree. And I think the answer is no. Buying a target man will be much easier than completely reconfiguring the way we play.

You can play Bent on his own if a) you have a superb midfield youcan play through without needing to hit the front man (villa were part way there under Houllier, but we still had problems  'making the play' with Bent or b) you're prepared to see little of the ball (Charlton).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 25, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

If Bent and Benteke went would Lerner fund the money for someone like Lukaku. The fee maybe but the wages? I'm sure he's not on peanuts now and if he is, he'll certainly want big money now. The wages is still the problem so flogging Benteke and then buying his slightly shitter teammate on double the wages may not be on the agenda. My guess is we'll be looking abroad again for another Benteke and the problem with that is unproven players from abroad are a big risk even with Lambert's good record so far.

Given Gabby isn't prolific, and Wiemann hasn't hit double figures yet' i'd rather keep Bent at least until we see if a new guy came off. We're not going to make a fortune on him anyway and its likely the clubs who'd want him will be the sort of club we'll be battling with in the bottom half.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 25, 2013, 12:57:31 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 24, 2013, 06:17:27 PM

Tokoyo

Bent is a different player and doesnt suit the way we play under Lambert. He will leave whatever happens with Benteke

But Benteke defines the way we play - if we don't have him (or a player like him), we'd have to play a different system - maybe one that suits Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 25, 2013, 01:11:26 PM

Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2013, 10:25:54 PM

We've lost our Head Groundsman to PSG, does that count as a transfer? Did a great job tbf. Good luck to him.

I hope we got a big fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2013, 01:55:18 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

Belgium?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2013, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

I'll take a couple of dry Martini's please.

ps. Dries Mertens

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2013, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

I'll take a couple of dry Martini's please.

ps. Dries Mertens

 ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2013, 05:14:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2013, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

I'll take a couple of dry Martini's please.

ps. Dries Mertens

Hee, hee. Good one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2013, 05:14:49 PM

Bent's transfer history is one where he seems to exit clubs every 24-30 months ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 25, 2013, 05:53:42 PM

Mertens is very highly rated. That would be an exciting link.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2013, 06:16:18 PM

Isn't Mertens the one that PL was originally considered signing, went to scout him and saw Benteke? We were linked with a forward last season who apparently had a rather large ego - was that Mertens?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2013, 06:23:28 PM

According to The Express, Fulham have placed a bid for bid Bent. And want him for less than £5m. Silly season really has arrived.

Now with added link:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/402405/Darren-Bent-looks-to-Martin-Jol-to-end-nightmare 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2013, 06:27:28 PM

Presumably that's an opening bid and not their final offer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on May 25, 2013, 07:03:02 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 25, 2013, 06:16:18 PM

Isn't Mertens the one that PL was originally considered signing, went to scout him and saw Benteke? We were linked with a forward last season who apparently had a rather large ego - was that Mertens?

Wasn't it Jelle Vossen at Genk?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 25, 2013, 07:06:49 PM

No way should we let Bent go for that. Stoke have been known to pay over the odds. Fulham got more than that for Bobby Zamora I believe, and he's older and more injury prone than Bent, with not nearly the track record.

I'm sure there will be takers and there should be a bidding war. I'd expect more like 8 million, possibly a little more if we're lucky.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on May 25, 2013, 08:23:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 25, 2013, 05:53:42 PM

Mertens is very highly rated. That would be an exciting link.

He's great on Have I Got News For You

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2013, 08:24:53 PM

Sell him to Stoke, or we can swap him for N'Zonzi and Shawcross.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on May 25, 2013, 09:46:02 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 25, 2013, 06:23:28 PM

According to The Express, Fulham have placed a bid for bid Bent. And want him for less than £5m. Silly season really has arrived.

Now with added link:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/402405/Darren-Bent-looks-to-Martin-Jol-to-end-nightmare

What a lazy frontline that would be Bent & Berbatov, would also be a goal threat, but certainly not team players.  £5m is taking the piss, must be double that surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2013, 10:00:52 PM

It's an obvious link really, Fulham need another striker as Rodallega has failed and Jol was his manager at Spurs.

I think he'll end up there or West Ham if they don't sign Carroll.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on May 25, 2013, 11:16:08 PM

We wont get more than 8m for Bent. Bare in mind it's pubic knowledge he wants out, and that we're happy to let him go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2013, 11:23:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2013, 08:23:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 25, 2013, 05:53:42 PM

Mertens is very highly rated. That would be an exciting link.

He's great on Have I Got News For You

Well maybe, but he did fantastic work sponsoring lower league football. Didn't he sponsor West ham once?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on May 25, 2013, 11:48:30 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 25, 2013, 11:23:39 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2013, 08:23:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 25, 2013, 05:53:42 PM

Mertens is very highly rated. That would be an exciting link.

He's great on Have I Got News For You

Well maybe, but he did fantastic work sponsoring lower league football. Didn't he sponsor West ham once?

That was after his PhD

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 26, 2013, 01:12:01 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2013, 08:24:53 PM

Sell him to Stoke, or we can swap him for N'Zonzi and Shawcross.

no thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 26, 2013, 01:12:01 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2013, 08:24:53 PM

Sell him to Stoke, or we can swap him for N'Zonzi and Shawcross.

no thanks

Particularly on N'Zonzi, he's fucking awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 26, 2013, 09:03:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2013, 08:41:40 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 26, 2013, 01:12:01 AM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2013, 08:24:53 PM

Sell him to Stoke, or we can swap him for N'Zonzi and Shawcross.

no thanks

Particularly on N'Zonzi, he's fucking awful.

He makes Nigel Reo Coker look like Andrea Pirlo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 09:31:47 AM

Nzonzi would make Steve Ireland look like Javi Martinez. A world class European Champ league efficient and winning midfielder.

I'd swap shawcross or kightly for delfoneso.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 26, 2013, 10:11:17 AM

Quote from: Summers on May 25, 2013, 11:16:08 PM

We wont get more than 8m for Bent. Bare in mind it's pubic knowledge he wants out, and that we're happy to let him go.

Feeling a little fruity are we, Summers?!
 ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 10:13:23 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 25, 2013, 01:55:18 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on May 25, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Dries Martens rumour has popped up a couple of times on my twatter feed, anyone know where this link is coming from?

Belgium?

Netherlands- he actually plays in eredivise. Very effective for PSV and along with Gerogie Wijnaldum(shirts sales!)  Jermain Lens, Tim Matarz are all realistic targets who can add goals and technique to villa team. Also on subject of dutch footie league I mentioned previously and there have been links to goal machine Finnbogason of Heereveen. Another striker will should defiantly look at is Jozy Altidore , from the USA and has had prem and la Liga experience. Some people may remember this guy from hull or in Spain he's really developed his game and is like a (here we go) an effective Marion harweood or Emily heskey!   
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jockey Randall on May 26, 2013, 10:54:42 AM

I can't see Mertens coming here. I'd be surprised if he didn't end up at one of the clubs in the champions league. He's had a cracking year at PSV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2013, 11:21:23 AM

The Premier League's a really strong draw so provided that of the top 7 didn't come in for him, there's always a chance. Even if it were only for a year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2013, 11:27:13 AM

I'm actually looking forward to seeing who Lambert brings in. He seems to have a bit of imagination in the transfer market rather than just spending money on established dross like Hutton and Warnock.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 26, 2013, 11:47:12 AM

Haven't see this on here yet but i can't be arsed to look back too many pages

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2330978/Aston-Villa-target-3m-Peterborough-striker-Dwight-Gayle.html

Bent's replacement?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 26, 2013, 12:06:17 PM

Dwight Gale is a good player with a lot f potential. Would be a great move all round if he is bents replacement

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2013, 12:20:24 PM

Is Dwight Gayle a combo of  Marcus Gayle and Dwight Yorke?

As for dozy Jozy...ugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 12:47:03 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 26, 2013, 12:20:24 PM

Is Dwight Gayle a combo of  Marcus Gayle and Dwight Yorke?

As for dozy Jozy...ugh.

think gayle and yorke comment was .. I mean how did you come up with that! Re: Jozy the suggestion to your comment relates to when  you last saw him play.. By all accounts he has developed. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2013, 02:47:15 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 12:47:03 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 26, 2013, 12:20:24 PM

Is Dwight Gayle a combo of  Marcus Gayle and Dwight Yorke?

As for dozy Jozy...ugh.

think gayle and yorke comment was .. I mean how did you come up with that! Re: Jozy the suggestion to your comment relates to when  you last saw him play.. By all accounts he has developed.

I always thought he had the raw materials to develop into a decent player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 26, 2013, 02:52:47 PM

Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves at Hibs is playing in Scottish Cup final today. Apparently pretty useful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2013, 02:57:09 PM

Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 26, 2013, 02:52:47 PM

Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves at Hibs is playing in Scottish Cup final today. Apparently pretty useful.

He's been on loan for a couple of seasons hasn't he? Bet he's not too keen to go back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 03:05:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 26, 2013, 02:57:09 PM

Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 26, 2013, 02:52:47 PM

Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves at Hibs is playing in Scottish Cup final today. Apparently pretty useful.

He's been on loan for a couple of seasons hasn't he? Bet he's not too keen to go back.

Multiple player award winner  nominated for Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year by PFA Scotland, winning the latter award. Griffiths was also included in the SPL Team of the Year and named player of the year in the Scottish Premier League Yearly Awards. The Scottish Gareth Bale - lets swap him for Barry Bannan..
Can watch cup final here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22672166
Also Charlie Mulgrew and  Izaguirre  for Celtic could do a job

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2013, 03:09:25 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 03:05:59 PM

Quote from: LeeB on May 26, 2013, 02:57:09 PM

Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 26, 2013, 02:52:47 PM

Lee Griffiths on loan from Wolves at Hibs is playing in Scottish Cup final today. Apparently pretty useful.

He's been on loan for a couple of seasons hasn't he? Bet he's not too keen to go back.

Multiple player award winner  nominated for Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year by PFA Scotland, winning the latter award. Griffiths was also included in the SPL Team of the Year and named player of the year in the Scottish Premier League Yearly Awards. The Scottish Gareth Bale - lets swap him for Barry Bannan..
Can watch cup final here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22672166
Also Charlie Mulgrew and  Izaguirre  for Celtic could do a job

Wouldn't disagree with that, though I doubt Bannan would go to Wolves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 03:11:51 PM

Hooper 1-0 !! Celtic !is he a player that would he cut it in prem?? scores alot ... Hibs have been better team unlucky

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2013, 04:03:14 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 26, 2013, 12:20:24 PM

Is Dwight Gayle a combo of  Marcus Gayle and Dwight Yorke?

He s their first born!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 01:19:35 AM

From the Telegraph.

Quote

Lambert will not be renewing the contract of the Republic of Ireland international after an injury-ravaged 12 months.
Dunne, 33, a £5million signing from Manchester City by Martin O’Neill in 2009, has not made a single appearance under Lambert after struggling with persistent hip and groin problems.
His £50,000-a-week contract will expire at the end of next month and the former captain has been told he can look for a new club.
Lambert is set to meet other highly paid fringe players, including Darren Bent, Shay Given and Stephen Ireland, to thrash out their futures. The trio all earn more than £3million a year but have barely played under the Scottish manager and Villa are keen to lower their wage bill by offloading them.
Ireland has only 12 months left on his deal and is keen to discover his fate after failing to make the 18-man match-day squad since the home defeat by Newcastle in January. Bent and Given have more than two years left on their contracts, so Lambert and chairman Randy Lerner will find them harder to shift.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2013, 10:50:57 AM

http://www.teamtalk.com/fanzone/15164/8732764/Villa-need-to-continue-revolution

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2013, 11:42:09 AM

Quote from: danlanza on May 27, 2013, 10:50:57 AM

http://www.teamtalk.com/fanzone/15164/8732764/Villa-need-to-continue-revolution

It's Middlesbrough.
And, maybe Joe Bennett's poor performances last season were as much due to the presence of an inexperienced left CB as his own inadequacies. He certainly improved in the second half of the season, consistent with the stability of having Baker as the first-choice left CB. He'd have been even better alongside a more seasonsed CB.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2013, 12:49:26 PM

I  wonder how many Villa supporters describe themselves as 'bloggers'?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 27, 2013, 04:53:20 PM

Too many.

Quote from: villa kicks on May 26, 2013, 03:05:59 PM

Also Charlie Mulgrew and  Izaguirre  for Celtic could do a job

Mulgrew is a quality player for me. He's versatile (can play across the back four and in midfield) and has a cracking left foot. My worry would be how he'd handle the step up and how he'd cope playing for a team who are not comfortably the best in a league. At Aberdeen he could be suspect defensively at times, but at Celtic he has developed into what seems to be a superb defender. Is that down to becoming a better player or just playing for a better side? Izaguirre was locked upon as a hot property two years ago but suffered from injury last year and hasn't been as strong since. Kayal was the Celtic player I had the highest hopes for but in the past two years he has struggled a lot from injury and we have Westwood now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2013, 05:04:50 PM

Wanyama has looked good whenever I've seen him but I would expect him to go to a Champions League side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2013, 05:15:28 PM

Adam Matthews worth a look? Was highly rated at Cardiff and can play both full back positions I think?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2013, 09:16:40 PM

He has the face of a killer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2013, 09:22:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Can't see him being of interest to Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 09:22:33 PM

Quote

Martin Skrtel has confirmed he would consider leaving Liverpool this summer having endured "one of the worst seasons in my career".

Brendan Rodgers is looking to sign two central defenders having lost Jamie Carragher to retirement and been unconvinced by Sebastián Coates. The Liverpool manager has stated that Skrtel remains in his plans but, following a testing campaign when he lost his first-team place and attracted criticism from Rodgers, the Slovakia international has admitted his Anfield future is in doubt.

Skrtel said: "I have not had any specific offers but if some should come and they interest me, I would probably consider it seriously. The club has the biggest say in this in any case, because they have the right for it with me being contracted. I am not saying that I want to leave at any cost. I feel sorry for what happened in this season. But I have been here for five and a half years and I have built a position here."

The 28-year-old was dropped following the Premier League defeat at Manchester United in January and suffered a miserable recall in the FA Cup exit at League One Oldham Athletic a fortnight later.

Skrtel added: "It was one of the worst seasons in my career and certainly the worst during my time at Liverpool. After the game at Manchester United, the coach decided he wanted to change the team and justified to me that we lacked the organisation and defensive leadership personality. That was Carragher.

"Obviously I was not happy, it bugged me. On the other hand, I realise that only 11 can play and the 11 the coach chooses now is without me. I decided to add even more in training, so I was ready for a chance to show that I belong on the field, and not on the pitch."

Rodgers has lined up Kolo Touré as a free signing once his contract expires at Manchester City this summer while Schalke's Greece international Kyriakos Papadopoulos is Liverpool's leading defensive target.

The defender Danny Wilson has signed a three-year contract with Hearts, where he spent the second half of last season on loan, following his release at Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:43:59 PM

Yes i could see that buggin skrtel being told he doesn't have the ability. And then having carra replacing him. Regarding rogers perception in his  lack of leadership and presence then he would nt be the right defender to have in at villa as a commanding defender is needed. That said Liverpool want k toure who must be a vocal leader and experienced as he can be as error prone as skrtel. To be fair skrtel had some shocking play in basic passing but without managers backing he probably struggled for confidence when all of Liverpool want carra in. I feel his defensive capabilities and attacking threat at set pieces would offer something villa dont have. But think Lambert just would nt go with him.

So it also looks like we need a reserve GK as Marshall and given are leaving. Maybe promote one and bring in experienced reserve. Keep brad at number 1. I suspect it wouldnt be Ross turnbull whose available on a free... And as valdes is off to Monaco not him either.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 09:52:34 PM

Skrtel certainly doesn't fit in with Lambert's supposed template for signings imo. I can't see us buying a centre half from the premier league unless they're on a free or very cheap wages wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2013, 09:54:19 PM

Skrtel is the sort of signing O Neill would make. He's not a bad player, but he's getting on, would command big wages, and Liverpool will want a fairly good fee for him. This aint gonna happen. It's not a Lambo signing.

I also think there are better experienced centre halves to spend our money on, if we were to do so. I'd also agree with  Rodgers that he's not the sort who will organise a backline and isn't commanding enough. Agger is a better player.

That said I think he's a better player than Vlaar. He would actually improve the side, he's just not what we need. We need a first choice CB, a lynchpin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:59:26 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 09:52:34 PM

Skrtel certainly doesn't fit in with Lambert's supposed template for signings imo. I can't see us buying a centre half from the premier league unless they're on a free or very cheap wages wise.

that's a point the structure that villa have to work in would mean that. Lambert hands are tied aren't they- he's knows what he has to work with and will get on with the job. Its gonna be players not so familiar to premier league that arrive this summer in likelihood.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:00:46 PM

Who was that forumer who got driven off here during the MON days for coming out with all the unknown obscure players we should sign? Maybe he's had the last larf and is advising Lambert now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 27, 2013, 10:08:25 PM

John Blackwell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:13:27 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on May 27, 2013, 10:08:25 PM

John Blackwell.

heh, that's the one. We should have listened :0(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:00:46 PM

Who was that forumer who got driven off here during the MON days for coming out with all the unknown obscure players we should sign? Maybe he's had the last larf and is advising Lambert now.

He didn't get "driven off here" though, Greg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 27, 2013, 10:15:01 PM

Skrtel is shite. I've never rated him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:00:46 PM

Who was that forumer who got driven off here during the MON days for coming out with all the unknown obscure players we should sign? Maybe he's had the last larf and is advising Lambert now.

He didn't get "driven off here" though, Greg.

Well he got a lot of ridicule aimed in his direction. Different times i guess. Who wants some player no-one's heard off when we're Randy Lerner's "no budget" Aston Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:30:11 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:00:46 PM

Who was that forumer who got driven off here during the MON days for coming out with all the unknown obscure players we should sign? Maybe he's had the last larf and is advising Lambert now.

He didn't get "driven off here" though, Greg.

Well he got a lot of ridicule aimed in his direction. Different times i guess. Who wants some player no-one's heard off when we're Randy Lerner's "no budget" Aston Villa

That wasn't what people took the piss out of, though.

It was the fact that he'd go on and on about Norwegian players. Whoever the answer was, he was Norwegian.

Not to mention him going on about how he was "ex special forces" - always a sign of an internet nutter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:40:02 PM

Heh.. missed the special forces bit i must admit. There's nothing wrong with Norwegian players though, in fact we would have welcomed them during the OGS hysteria last summer.

John Blackwell - VISIONARY AHEAD OF HIS TIME. R.I.P.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 10:43:35 PM

Surely he's only be a visionary if we'd signed a bunch of unknown Norwegians and they had been successful?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2013, 10:44:43 PM

John was interesting, but by the 93rd paragraph it became a tough read.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 10:43:35 PM

Surely he's only be a visionary if we'd signed a bunch of unknown Norwegians and they had been successful?

You wait this summer. We'll be FLOODED by unknown Norwegian players arriving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2013, 10:51:58 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 10:43:35 PM

Surely he's only be a visionary if we'd signed a bunch of unknown Norwegians and they had been successful?

You wait this summer. We'll be FLOODED by unknown Norwegian players arriving.

We'll be flooded by them? What's this, Twisted John's Revenge?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2013, 11:32:35 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 10:43:35 PM

Surely he's only be a visionary if we'd signed a bunch of unknown Norwegians and they had been successful?

You wait this summer. We'll be FLOODED by unknown Norwegian players arriving.

Is that what happens if you stand too close to a fjord?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 11:34:15 PM

If i'd stood next to Lita Ford 20 years ago she'd have been flooded! Wait, did I just say that out loud?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2013, 11:43:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 11:34:15 PM

If i'd stood next to Lita Ford 20 years ago she'd have been flooded! Wait, did I just say that out loud?

Why, did your kitchen flood or something?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2013, 12:37:19 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:30:11 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:20 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2013, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:00:46 PM

Who was that forumer who got driven off here during the MON days for coming out with all the unknown obscure players we should sign? Maybe he's had the last larf and is advising Lambert now.

He didn't get "driven off here" though, Greg.

Well he got a lot of ridicule aimed in his direction. Different times i guess. Who wants some player no-one's heard off when we're Randy Lerner's "no budget" Aston Villa

That wasn't what people took the piss out of, though.

It was the fact that he'd go on and on about Norwegian players. Whoever the answer was, he was Norwegian.

Not to mention him going on about how he was "ex special forces" - always a sign of an internet nutter.

The obscure players didn't amuse me that much. 

Aye, you could argue that -seeing as they were in the Norwegian second division- they probably wouldn't slot in as effortlessly as he expected.  But Sylla from the French second division hasn't done so bad.

No, what was barking to me was his insistence that we should appoint Rivaldo as technical coach.  If I remember, he was angry that we hadn't.  The madman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 12:38:24 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2013, 10:43:35 PM

Surely he's only be a visionary if we'd signed a bunch of unknown Norwegians and they had been successful?

That's the thing. We had to attempt to read his drivel through bleeding eyes in one shot. He wrote his novel in between games of FIFA

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on May 28, 2013, 02:10:30 AM

There are some decent left backs in the Bundesliga I wouldn't mind going for.

Oliver Sorg at Freiburg for one. Ricardo Rodriguez at Wolfsburg would cost a bit, but looks a sure thing.  Marcell Jansen at Hamburg is a beast too if we are looking for some more experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2013, 03:45:16 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2013, 09:52:34 PM

Skrtel certainly doesn't fit in with Lambert's supposed template for signings imo.

Skrtel's face doesn't fit within its own template.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 28, 2013, 06:42:28 AM

No-one drove John Blackwell anywhere. He was treated with tolerance and respect, like plenty of other tedious opinionated fruits on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2013, 08:54:40 AM

Quote from: supertom on May 27, 2013, 09:54:19 PM

Skrtel is the sort of signing O Neill would make. He's not a bad player, but he's getting on, would command big wages, and Liverpool will want a fairly good fee for him. This aint gonna happen. It's not a Lambo signing.

I also think there are better experienced centre halves to spend our money on, if we were to do so. I'd also agree with  Rodgers that he's not the sort who will organise a backline and isn't commanding enough. Agger is a better player.

That said I think he's a better player than Vlaar. He would actually improve the side, he's just not what we need. We need a first choice CB, a lynchpin.

I think we tend to forget that it was also Vlaar's first season in the Prem, he was skipper and running a very inexperienced back 4.
On top of that he was out for several weeks with a pretty bad injury.
When Skrtel joined Liverpool he was playing alongside experienced players in a fairly successful team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2013, 09:17:34 AM

I remember when Manure signed Vidic and Evra together.  They were absolute garbage for the first six months, really poor, with a lot of back lash.  They went on to be pretty goof players in the end as they got up to premierleague speed....  Hope Vlaar follows this

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2013, 09:44:41 AM

Not a bad shout, only Vlaar is a bit older.

Petrov was woeful for 12 months before growing into a superb performer. There is much hope for Vlaar yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2013, 09:46:47 AM

Yes I wouldn't write off Vlaar yet, and importantly he certainly has the right attitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2013, 10:46:17 AM

obviously i meant good not goof!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2013, 11:24:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2013, 09:44:41 AM

Not a bad shout, only Vlaar is a bit older.

Petrov was woeful for 12 months before growing into a superb performer. There is much hope for Vlaar yet.

Petrov was woeful for longer than 12 months if I recall, more like 2 years.

Seem to remember him getting booed off at half time against maybe Newcastle in his second season? we came from behind to win easily in the second half.

The move to a three man midfield suited him next to Barry. When they played there by themselves our midfield lacked mobility.

Vlaar could turn it around but it shouldnt excuse a desperate first season for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2013, 12:29:41 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 28, 2013, 06:42:28 AM

No-one drove John Blackwell anywhere. He was treated with tolerance and respect, like plenty of other tedious opinionated fruits on here.

I feel deceived and hurt :'( :'(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2013, 12:39:47 PM

I think we need John Blackwell back over the summer, to keep us all entertained while we wait through rain soaked summer days for football to return.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 01:01:39 PM

Personally I'd rather see the return of Saranyu or SeattleVillain...such fine, respectful fellows.

Although if John brought his other half back - CanIPlayDaddy, we could up the quotient of female posters by about twenty per cent. That's if she was real of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 01:24:02 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on May 28, 2013, 11:24:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2013, 09:44:41 AM

Not a bad shout, only Vlaar is a bit older.

Petrov was woeful for 12 months before growing into a superb performer. There is much hope for Vlaar yet.

Petrov was woeful for longer than 12 months if I recall, more like 2 years.

Seem to remember him getting booed off at half time against maybe Newcastle in his second season? we came from behind to win easily in the second half.

The move to a three man midfield suited him next to Barry. When they played there by themselves our midfield lacked mobility.

Vlaar could turn it around but it shouldnt excuse a desperate first season for him.

I'm not sure Petrov was ever a superb performer. I think Barry and Milner carried him . He was poor in the main for first 2 seasons, good in seasons 3 & 4 poor under Houllier and was ok under TSM compared to the rest of the garbage.

Vlaar could come good but needs a better partner than currently on offer. Clark and Baker are squad players at best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2013, 01:26:26 PM

I don't think it's fair to say that anyone carried him when he was voted Player of the Season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 28, 2013, 01:34:24 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

Not all that to be honest

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 28, 2013, 01:34:48 PM

Gollum wants Bent for £8m according to some press

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

shouldn't there by a winky emoticon or I've gone utterly bonkers emoticon at the end of that sentence?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 01:44:01 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 28, 2013, 01:26:26 PM

I don't think it's fair to say that anyone carried him when he was voted Player of the Season.

Stephen Ireland was also player of the season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 28, 2013, 01:34:48 PM

Gollum wants Bent for £8m according to some press

would be a good move for him and if he's given the right support, he could help keep them up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2013, 01:46:16 PM

Since Petrov got ill he's been made out to have been a top player for us, some even say a legend. Sorry, although he was good at times he was never close to a top performer for us. If he never had got ill would some fans be saying 'legend' etc? I don't think so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 01:46:30 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

No thanks. In fact Jesus No Way

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 28, 2013, 01:46:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:45:29 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 28, 2013, 01:34:48 PM

Gollum wants Bent for £8m according to some press

would be a good move for him and if he's given the right support, he could help keep them up.

Bent would be a hero at Palace. Good move for all parties imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

shouldn't there by a winky emoticon or I've gone utterly bonkers emoticon at the end of that sentence?

No, i'm totally serious. Bramble could do a decent job for us.















Assuming he knows how to use a lawnmower.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2013, 01:50:50 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

shouldn't there by a winky emoticon or I've gone utterly bonkers emoticon at the end of that sentence?

No, i'm totally serious. Bramble could do a decent job for us.















Assuming he knows how to use a lawnmower.

that is good , but i bet he cant

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2013, 01:52:54 PM

One player i reckon Palace might go for is Bannan. Holloway's a fan of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:52:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:49:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2013, 01:31:16 PM

Titus Bramble is available on a free. Experienced player and all that.

shouldn't there by a winky emoticon or I've gone utterly bonkers emoticon at the end of that sentence?

No, i'm totally serious. Bramble could do a decent job for us.















Assuming he knows how to use a lawnmower.

If Bramble wants to do us a favour he should join the noses as an agent. C'mon Titus, you know that should be your next mission. Condemn the heathens to the lower realms forever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2013, 02:31:11 PM

Palace can have Bent for 10million.  8 million if he takes Bannan as well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2013, 02:31:44 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 01:44:01 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 28, 2013, 01:26:26 PM

I don't think it's fair to say that anyone carried him when he was voted Player of the Season.

Stephen Ireland was also player of the season

Petrov won it when we weren't total shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 PM

Petrov was often the scapegoat as some rightly pointed out we needed better then we had in central midfield if we were going to push on from 6th place under MON.  That doesn't mean he was a poor player or underperformed, just that those sides we were trying to catch and compete with had better in that position.  He had a dodgy first season, but after that was a good player for us without being spectacular - one of those you only really appreciated when he wasn't there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2013, 03:36:45 PM

Anyone reckon getting Ash Young back on loan would be worth a punt? He had a poor season at Utd. He's really been overshadowed since moving there by Valencia and Nani has also proven to be a more reliable big game player. Kagawa has done okay. They've also got Zaha who could be ready for the step up now.
I don't see Utd selling, but maybe they'll think about loaning him out. He may find opportunities hard to come by.
I'd love to have him back. Whilst I don't think he's the player his promise suggested he could be, nor is he as good as he was 4 years ago, he's certainly still good enough to walk into our team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2013, 03:37:50 PM

I'd be happy with Young back, but it won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 PM

Petrov was often the scapegoat as some rightly pointed out we needed better then we had in central midfield if we were going to push on from 6th place under MON.  That doesn't mean he was a poor player or underperformed, just that those sides we were trying to catch and compete with had better in that position.  He had a dodgy first season, but after that was a good player for us without being spectacular - one of those you only really appreciated when he wasn't there!

I don't remember him being a scapegoat at all. I remember people pointing out his flaws, though, which is not the same thing at all. In fact, I can also remember the players he played alongside getting plenty of stick, too.

Petrov was poor for at least his first year. He constantly needed more time on the ball than he was ever going to get in this league - he was a second or two behind play on a frequent basis, and it was frustrating to watch.

He eventually adjusted, though, and did very well for us. I thought the last year he played for us was his best.

Good players do that in time, if they need to, they adjust. I suspect Vlaar will do the same for us, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2013, 03:41:27 PM

Oh and Heitinga is much worse than Vlaar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on May 28, 2013, 04:33:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 PM

Petrov was often the scapegoat as some rightly pointed out we needed better then we had in central midfield if we were going to push on from 6th place under MON.  That doesn't mean he was a poor player or underperformed, just that those sides we were trying to catch and compete with had better in that position.  He had a dodgy first season, but after that was a good player for us without being spectacular - one of those you only really appreciated when he wasn't there!

I don't remember him being a scapegoat at all. I remember people pointing out his flaws, though, which is not the same thing at all. In fact, I can also remember the players he played alongside getting plenty of stick, too.

Petrov was poor for at least his first year. He constantly needed more time on the ball than he was ever going to get in this league - he was a second or two behind play on a frequent basis, and it was frustrating to watch.

He eventually adjusted, though, and did very well for us. I thought the last year he played for us was his best.

Good players do that in time, if they need to, they adjust. I suspect Vlaar will do the same for us, too.

I think that's closer to the truth actually Paulie. Scapegoat is perhaps the wrong word. I know around the end of the 09/10 season I wasn't his biggest fan, and although he was captain, I thought he was the weak link in the team (opinions, eh!). I remember thinking back then that we should sign Stephen Ireland to play alongside Milner in midfield.

Yeah, I know!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2013, 04:35:56 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 28, 2013, 01:34:48 PM

Gollum wants Bent for £8m according to some press

Well, I'd be advising Bent to hold out for a proper / serious club to come in for him.
Just as Gollum did when we were rumoured to be after Adam.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 28, 2013, 04:38:26 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 28, 2013, 02:31:44 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 01:44:01 PM

Quote from: cdsimondawkinsfan on May 28, 2013, 01:26:26 PM

I don't think it's fair to say that anyone carried him when he was voted Player of the Season.

Stephen Ireland was also player of the season

Petrov won it when we weren't total shit.

And Petrov deserved it, Ireland did not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 04:38:42 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 PM

Petrov was often the scapegoat as some rightly pointed out we needed better then we had in central midfield if we were going to push on from 6th place under MON.  That doesn't mean he was a poor player or underperformed, just that those sides we were trying to catch and compete with had better in that position.  He had a dodgy first season, but after that was a good player for us without being spectacular - one of those you only really appreciated when he wasn't there!

I don't remember him being a scapegoat at all. I remember people pointing out his flaws, though, which is not the same thing at all. In fact, I can also remember the players he played alongside getting plenty of stick, too.

Petrov was poor for at least his first year. He constantly needed more time on the ball than he was ever going to get in this league - he was a second or two behind play on a frequent basis, and it was frustrating to watch.

He eventually adjusted, though, and did very well for us. I thought the last year he played for us was his best.

Good players do that in time, if they need to, they adjust. I suspect Vlaar will do the same for us, too.

Perhaps scapegoat is too strong a word, but he often seemed to be the player most wanted an 'upgrade' on in transfer threads, depsite being one of our most consistent performers.  I think some people were a bit slow to recognise what he brought to the team after that poor start to his Villa career.  Probably because they expected the rampaging attacking midfielder he was at Celtic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 28, 2013, 04:58:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2013, 03:36:45 PM

Anyone reckon getting Ash Young back on loan would be worth a punt? He had a poor season at Utd. He's really been overshadowed since moving there by Valencia and Nani has also proven to be a more reliable big game player. Kagawa has done okay. They've also got Zaha who could be ready for the step up now.
I don't see Utd selling, but maybe they'll think about loaning him out. He may find opportunities hard to come by.
I'd love to have him back. Whilst I don't think he's the player his promise suggested he could be, nor is he as good as he was 4 years ago, he's certainly still good enough to walk into our team.

No mate.  Fuck him.  Over rated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on May 28, 2013, 05:03:06 PM

young disappeared up his own arsd when o neill called him a genius.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 05:08:31 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 28, 2013, 04:58:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2013, 03:36:45 PM

Anyone reckon getting Ash Young back on loan would be worth a punt? He had a poor season at Utd. He's really been overshadowed since moving there by Valencia and Nani has also proven to be a more reliable big game player. Kagawa has done okay. They've also got Zaha who could be ready for the step up now.
I don't see Utd selling, but maybe they'll think about loaning him out. He may find opportunities hard to come by.
I'd love to have him back. Whilst I don't think he's the player his promise suggested he could be, nor is he as good as he was 4 years ago, he's certainly still good enough to walk into our team.

No mate.  Fuck him.  Over rated.

overrated? He was superb for us. Worked as hard if not harder than any player in the side, and only now have we started to be remotely as creative we were with him in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2013, 05:17:55 PM

so many good things about Ash, but injury has curtailed his time at United.  I did hate the 90% of free kicks he put in row G.  The ones that went in were fantastic though, and i loved it when he played out wide and was given license to go at defenders.  Playing him just off the striker was a poor decision.  His tracking back was immense. (The polar opposite to Nzog)  And he always played 100% effort.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:21:40 PM

£10m for Bent and Bannan with Phillips coming our way in return. Let's do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2013, 05:32:59 PM

Palace can have Bent for ten mill.  If they take Bannan as well, they can have Bent for ten mill.  We'll throw Bannan in as the driver.

Seriously though, Bent scores goals. He signed a contract. I don't care if he has to sit on the bench.  We may need him if Benteke gets injured.  Personally, I'd keep him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 05:38:33 PM

Bent is no back up player. Get decent money for him then go and buy the next big thing for when we inevitably let Benteke go. I don't think Palace is a goer though and especially working with that fucking baldy little Worzel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 28, 2013, 05:43:06 PM

 If Palace come up say 13 milions pounds bid for both BAnnan and Bent. I would chuck in Stephen Ireland for free.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 28, 2013, 05:46:32 PM

Anyway, palace have got £150 million. We all know this to be true, it's not just a number Sky picked out of the air or anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 05:57:56 PM

Quote from: Newby on May 28, 2013, 05:32:59 PM

Palace can have Bent for ten mill.  If they take Bannan as well, they can have Bent for ten mill.  We'll throw Bannan in as the driver.

Seriously though, Bent scores goals. He signed a contract. I don't care if he has to sit on the bench.  We may need him if Benteke gets injured.  Personally, I'd keep him.

if we have any hope in completing the deal and Bent arriving at Palace alive then we don't want to throw Bannan is as the driver.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Slaphead on May 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

This pisses me off because I swear it was MON who changed him as a player and made him a defensive side ways passer, he did the exact same to Reo who at West Ham would run box to box. MON had an obsession with ruining players, if you want a defensive midfielder then buy one, you don't buy an aeroplane and use is as a boat!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on May 28, 2013, 06:36:23 PM

To be fair to MON, Stan was playing piss poor in the advanced role

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2013, 06:37:30 PM

Quote from: Slaphead on May 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

This pisses me off because I swear it was MON who changed him as a player and made him a defensive side ways passer, he did the exact same to Reo who at West Ham would run box to box. MON had an obsession with ruining players, if you want a defensive midfielder then buy one, you don't buy an aeroplane and use is as a boat!

MON's training methods led to the players not being as fit as they should have been (as Di Canio subsequently found). So Petrov soon became some one who could no longer go box to box and had to become a defensive midfielder. Houllier started the work on improving his fitness but it was only when he had a full pre-season under McLeish that he got back to a place where he could get forward and back. Blimey, something McLeish actually got right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 28, 2013, 06:37:40 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 04:38:42 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 02:57:41 PM

Petrov was often the scapegoat as some rightly pointed out we needed better then we had in central midfield if we were going to push on from 6th place under MON.  That doesn't mean he was a poor player or underperformed, just that those sides we were trying to catch and compete with had better in that position.  He had a dodgy first season, but after that was a good player for us without being spectacular - one of those you only really appreciated when he wasn't there!

I don't remember him being a scapegoat at all. I remember people pointing out his flaws, though, which is not the same thing at all. In fact, I can also remember the players he played alongside getting plenty of stick, too.

Petrov was poor for at least his first year. He constantly needed more time on the ball than he was ever going to get in this league - he was a second or two behind play on a frequent basis, and it was frustrating to watch.

He eventually adjusted, though, and did very well for us. I thought the last year he played for us was his best.

Good players do that in time, if they need to, they adjust. I suspect Vlaar will do the same for us, too.

Perhaps scapegoat is too strong a word, but he often seemed to be the player most wanted an 'upgrade' on in transfer threads, depsite being one of our most consistent performers.  I think some people were a bit slow to recognise what he brought to the team after that poor start to his Villa career.  Probably because they expected the rampaging attacking midfielder he was at Celtic.

My issue with Petrov was always that he wasn't fit enough to play the way he wanted to.  He was a big part of the reason we looked fucked after an hour every week.

EDIT: OCD beat me to it by a matter of seconds.  I agree the training, particularly in the summer, was a big part of the issue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 28, 2013, 07:02:34 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 28, 2013, 06:37:30 PM

Quote from: Slaphead on May 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

This pisses me off because I swear it was MON who changed him as a player and made him a defensive side ways passer, he did the exact same to Reo who at West Ham would run box to box. MON had an obsession with ruining players, if you want a defensive midfielder then buy one, you don't buy an aeroplane and use is as a boat!

I

MON's training methods led to the players not being as fit as they should have been (as Di Canio subsequently found). So Petrov soon became some one who could no longer go box to box and had to become a defensive midfielder. Houllier started the work on improving his fitness but it was only when he had a full pre-season under McLeish that he got back to a place where he could get forward and back. Blimey, something McLeish actually got right.

Agreed.In MON's last season Petrov looked finished,seemingly overweight and unable to track opposing midfielders.Under Houllier he seemed leaner and was definitely fitter and amazingly I was singing his praises under TSM ,whereas I had written him off 2 years earlier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2013, 07:20:11 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on May 28, 2013, 05:17:55 PM

so many good things about Ash, but injury has curtailed his time at United.  I did hate the 90% of free kicks he put in row G.  The ones that went in were fantastic though, and i loved it when he played out wide and was given license to go at defenders.  Playing him just off the striker was a poor decision.  His tracking back was immense. (The polar opposite to Nzog)  And he always played 100% effort.

I actually think that is why he's not done so great at Man U.  They're often so in control of games that the "tracking back" bit which helped Villa so much and boosted his profile was not required by Man U.  In most their matches they just need a show pony to beat a player and put a decent delivery in which is why Nani looks good for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 28, 2013, 07:30:54 PM

Twitter bollocks saying we are in for Zouma. I will cling on to that for a few hours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

Quote from: Slaphead on May 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

This pisses me off because I swear it was MON who changed him as a player and made him a defensive side ways passer, he did the exact same to Reo who at West Ham would run box to box. MON had an obsession with ruining players, if you want a defensive midfielder then buy one, you don't buy an aeroplane and use is as a boat!

Petrol played more the DCM role for Bulgaria.  To me, he only played more advanced in Scotland as the relatively poor standard meant he was the best player in the league, so it made sense to get more for him.  NRC's stats in goals and assists would suggest he was better off where MON played him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 08:03:01 PM

TSM is 2nd favourite for the Millwall job on Paddy Power

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:06:45 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on May 28, 2013, 04:58:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2013, 03:36:45 PM

Anyone reckon getting Ash Young back on loan would be worth a punt? He had a poor season at Utd. He's really been overshadowed since moving there by Valencia and Nani has also proven to be a more reliable big game player. Kagawa has done okay. They've also got Zaha who could be ready for the step up now.
I don't see Utd selling, but maybe they'll think about loaning him out. He may find opportunities hard to come by.
I'd love to have him back. Whilst I don't think he's the player his promise suggested he could be, nor is he as good as he was 4 years ago, he's certainly still good enough to walk into our team.

No mate.  Fuck him.  Over rated.

agree .  big time Charlie .   wasnt never good enough for Manure

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 28, 2013, 08:12:58 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming

What about Sorenson on a one year deal. Not great but ok as back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:13:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming 

Mcarthy would want to be a No 1

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 08:13:49 PM

Ah-Habsi has always struck me as a very underrated player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2013, 08:14:04 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming 

Whenever i've seen McCarthy for Reading, he's looked a bit iffy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:21:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 08:13:49 PM

Ah-Habsi has always struck me as a very underrated player.

Excellent No 2

suprised Wigwam dropped him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2013, 08:21:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 08:13:49 PM

Ah-Habsi has always struck me as a very underrated player.

I always find that when a player needs to be overly dramatic, e.g James Collins and his last ditch blocks, it's a lot to do with the fact that they are out of position in the first place. I know that the world's best do that too, but it's not something I remember the world's best keepers or defenders for. I always picture Maldini, Baresi, McGrath or Buffon as being so outstanding that they are just better positioned to make the difficult stuff look rather easy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:24:11 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 28, 2013, 07:30:54 PM

Twitter bollocks saying we are in for Zouma. I will cling on to that for a few hours.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/401490/Juventus-set-to-battle-it-out-with-Liverpool-for-Kurt-Zouma


noticed his only 18 . not sure you could throw him in next to Vlarr but one for the future like Sylva

but hes been regular playing for St Etienne

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:30:06 PM

Arsenal's move for Fiorentina striker Stevan Jovetic is close to breaking point, with the Gunners not willing to pay the £25m asking price.


No chance they will pay £25/30 million for Benteke



I like the look of Marco van Ginkel

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2013, 09:37:40 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 28, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

Petrol played more the DCM role for Bulgaria.  To me, he only played more advanced in Scotland as the relatively poor standard meant he was the best player in the league, so it made sense to get more for him.  NRC's stats in goals and assists would suggest he was better off where MON played him.

F in auto-correction!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

Quote from: claretandbeer on May 28, 2013, 07:02:34 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 28, 2013, 06:37:30 PM

Quote from: Slaphead on May 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM

Quote from: eamonn on May 28, 2013, 05:20:48 PM

It's a real shame that Petrov was thriving under McLeish thanks to the licence to get forward he was given. Something absent since his days at Celtic. He scored a few crackers last season. That ability as well as his calming influence would have seen us comfortably top half and probably above the Baggies and Swansea this season in my opinion.

This pisses me off because I swear it was MON who changed him as a player and made him a defensive side ways passer, he did the exact same to Reo who at West Ham would run box to box. MON had an obsession with ruining players, if you want a defensive midfielder then buy one, you don't buy an aeroplane and use is as a boat!

I

MON's training methods led to the players not being as fit as they should have been (as Di Canio subsequently found). So Petrov soon became some one who could no longer go box to box and had to become a defensive midfielder. Houllier started the work on improving his fitness but it was only when he had a full pre-season under McLeish that he got back to a place where he could get forward and back. Blimey, something McLeish actually got right.

Agreed.In MON's last season Petrov looked finished,seemingly overweight and unable to track opposing midfielders.Under Houllier he seemed leaner and was definitely fitter and amazingly I was singing his praises under TSM ,whereas I had written him off 2 years earlier.

Really? I thought he was better in 09/10 than in 08/09 when I think he got all the POTY awards.

Maybe you're thinking of 10/11 when he looked a bit out of it until he was restored to the team around April time which helped save us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: caster troy on May 28, 2013, 10:14:59 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2013, 08:24:11 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 28, 2013, 07:30:54 PM

Twitter bollocks saying we are in for Zouma. I will cling on to that for a few hours.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/401490/Juventus-set-to-battle-it-out-with-Liverpool-for-Kurt-Zouma


noticed his only 18 . not sure you could throw him in next to Vlarr but one for the future like Sylva

but hes been regular playing for St Etienne

He and Baker were my centre backs for 10 years on Football manager, rock solid. Sign him up Lambo!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 10:57:19 PM

Never heard of Zouma. I take it he's good?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2013, 11:01:04 PM

We were linked on and off in both windows to Abdoulaye Ba from Porto in defence. Anyone reckon that might be revisited? Does he actually play much for them?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:03:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 10:57:19 PM

Never heard of Zouma.

I thought it was that thing girls do at gyms.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 11:04:46 PM

Talk?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:09:35 PM

I honestly don't know. I am so out of my comfort zone here. The last time I went to a gym was 1987.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 28, 2013, 11:32:05 PM

Shit. I had 6 minutes to read it and missed it. damn.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:32:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 28, 2013, 11:32:05 PM

Shit. I had 6 minutes to read it and missed it. damn.

It was pretty awesome, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 11:35:12 PM

I was standing outside David Lloyd having a fag with Sir James Saville. This big fat bird walked past us and I turned to him and said... "Gym'll Fix it!"
We laughed. Then I punched him in the guts and told him he sickened me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 28, 2013, 11:36:17 PM

Was it about what you were up to at the gym in 1987?

I Shouldn't have taken the time to read all of the gay marriage thread, otherwise I wouldn't have missed out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2013, 11:37:12 PM

And I didn't get the chance to make a single penny out of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 28, 2013, 11:42:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:32:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 28, 2013, 11:32:05 PM

Shit. I had 6 minutes to read it and missed it. damn.

It was pretty awesome, too.

Ahhhhhhh, balls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:50:55 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

it's true though isn't it.....you men in "the know" must know ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming

Siegrist will be promoted most likely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2013, 12:26:56 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming

Siegrist will be promoted most likely.

I'd want someone experienced as back-up. Its bad enough having a young defence without having a untried goalkeeper to come in if brad gets crocked.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:40:16 AM

It would be pretty difficult to get an experienced GK prepared to be our no2 who wouldn't be coming for the money (which we won't be paying). I also can't see us spending a chunk of the transfer budget on a player who will most likely play a few games in a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2013, 12:50:01 AM

It would be pretty difficult to get an experienced GK prepared to be our no2 who wouldn't be coming for the money (which we won't be paying). I also can't see us spending a chunk of the transfer budget on a player who will most likely play a few games in a season.
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Decent championship keeper i'm thinking or a foreign guy. A step up with maybe the chance of taking Brad's place given the break and performances. Its not big money, and i'd feel a bit more comfortable with that than a 21 year old who's never done owt anywhere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on May 29, 2013, 01:19:05 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Siegrist will be promoted most likely.

Siegrist needs to play. A loan season in league 1 or even lower half championship would do him a world of good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on May 29, 2013, 03:27:51 AM

Quote from: Gompedyret on May 29, 2013, 01:19:05 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Siegrist will be promoted most likely.

Siegrist needs to play. A loan season in league 1 or even lower half championship would do him a world of good.

Hope so, otherwise he will be off soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 29, 2013, 03:53:31 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:32:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on May 28, 2013, 11:32:05 PM

Shit. I had 6 minutes to read it and missed it. damn.

It was pretty awesome, too.

It was beyond awesome. It was beawesome.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 29, 2013, 07:40:27 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2013, 12:26:56 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

I wonder which GK we will bring in as Marshall and Given on their way. Def keep Guzan as No1 and bring in a solid back up. Al habsi could warm the bench at Villa instead of Wigan. Also McCarthy of Reading could come in decent up and coming

Siegrist will be promoted most likely.

I'd want someone experienced as back-up. Its bad enough having a young defence without having a untried goalkeeper to come in if brad gets crocked.

Tut, tut Greg, do you not remember how Spinky started his wonderful career with us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2013, 08:27:59 AM

Plays for Poznan according to Google, although somebody has put Celtic down on his Wiki page.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 09:16:40 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 12:40:16 AM

It would be pretty difficult to get an experienced GK prepared to be our no2 who wouldn't be coming for the money (which we won't be paying). I also can't see us spending a chunk of the transfer budget on a player who will most likely play a few games in a season.

the life of a reserve keeper is an interesting one being content just to train and be on bench maybe get a cup game or odd match or run only due to injury.. Steve harper, Shay Given, Stuart Taylor, Richard wright are all be back up 2nd or 3rd choices but think most clubs like an experienced keeper as well as no 1 in their ranks. I do think Lambert will promote from within but out of all signings to speculate a back up GK is one that will happen ... Its just a case of weather villa move for experience and that the GK signing will know he's a back up.  For me i d like Lambert to sign a solid reliable experience keeper who is making a step up by moving to AVFC thus appeasing the lack of playing time.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Coopers Injury.

I used to love the way he did that. He'd use the phrase "at it" most of the time.

For example, Beckford, while playing on loan for Carlisle, would score at Colchester, and CI would casually mention "I see Beckford was at it again this weekend".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on May 29, 2013, 09:48:56 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

We should have been in for his brother Stephen years ago. A snip at $6m. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:52:07 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on May 29, 2013, 09:48:56 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

We should have been in for his brother Stephen years ago. A snip at $6m. 

Bravo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on May 29, 2013, 10:01:36 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:52:07 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on May 29, 2013, 09:48:56 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

We should have been in for his brother Stephen years ago. A snip at $6m. 

Bravo.

Thank you.  Gone with coat ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:01:55 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

I'm really not sure about him, he has a very good record but I think he's missing that little bit of quality (from the admittedly limited footage of him I've seen) that you need to be striker in the premier league.  That said, I think Lambert does a great job in assessing players so if he tihnks it's a good idea I'm happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:13:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Coopers Injury.

I used to love the way he did that. He'd use the phrase "at it" most of the time.

For example, Beckford, while playing on loan for Carlisle, would score at Colchester, and CI would casually mention "I see Beckford was at it again this weekend".

God, he was an arse. (Coopers Injury, not Beckford).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2013, 10:16:01 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:01:55 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

I'm really not sure about him, he has a very good record but I think he's missing that little bit of quality (from the admittedly limited footage of him I've seen) that you need to be striker in the premier league. 

My thoughts too. He's a poacher but nothing more. I much prefer FC Copenhagen's Andreas Cornelius. Young, talented goalscorer but with a lot more technique, something needed in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 29, 2013, 10:16:55 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2013, 11:01:04 PM

We were linked on and off in both windows to Abdoulaye Ba from Porto in defence. Anyone reckon that might be revisited? Does he actually play much for them?

Looked very good in the Olympics for Senegal.Hardly played for Porto's first team this season.
Contract up this summer.Told French newspaper that he would love to play for Lyon or Marseille,especially as he has family in France.West Ham failed to get him on loan because of work permit problems.
Did we also look at St Etienne striker,Ageyamang,who is supposed to be able to play wide as well , 6'2" (but not eyes of blue)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 10:16:01 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:01:55 AM

Quote from: Nev on May 29, 2013, 09:35:33 AM

The Express and Star reckon we're (we'm) after Charles "Charlie" Austin. He's got a great name but I must admit I've never heard of (on) him.

A quick glance at the 'net shows he has a great goals to games ratio, currently at Burnley he'll cost us around 4.5M according the Britains Leading Regional Newspaper.

I'm really not sure about him, he has a very good record but I think he's missing that little bit of quality (from the admittedly limited footage of him I've seen) that you need to be striker in the premier league. 

My thoughts too. He's a poacher but nothing more. I much prefer FC Copenhagen's Andreas Cornelius. Young, talented goalscorer but with a lot more technique, something needed in the Premier League.

Yeah he looks like he'll be a very good player, and would be a great choice as understudy to Benteke for a year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:24:10 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on May 29, 2013, 10:16:55 AM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2013, 11:01:04 PM

We were linked on and off in both windows to Abdoulaye Ba from Porto in defence. Anyone reckon that might be revisited? Does he actually play much for them?

Looked very good in the Olympics for Senegal.Hardly played for Porto's first team this season.
Contract up this summer.Told French newspaper that he would love to play for Lyon or Marseille,especially as he has family in France.West Ham failed to get him on loan because of work permit problems.
Did we also look at St Etienne striker,Ageyamang,who is supposed to be able to play wide as well , 6'2" (but not eyes of blue)

If there is anything in this one I'd be happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:13:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Coopers Injury.

I used to love the way he did that. He'd use the phrase "at it" most of the time.

For example, Beckford, while playing on loan for Carlisle, would score at Colchester, and CI would casually mention "I see Beckford was at it again this weekend".

God, he was an arse. (Coopers Injury, not Beckford).

Oh , the irony of it !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:13:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Coopers Injury.

I used to love the way he did that. He'd use the phrase "at it" most of the time.

For example, Beckford, while playing on loan for Carlisle, would score at Colchester, and CI would casually mention "I see Beckford was at it again this weekend".

God, he was an arse. (Coopers Injury, not Beckford).

Oh , the irony of it !

2nd post back and you're already having a pop.

Remembering advice, laugh at and ignore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:34:51 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:29:52 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:13:44 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on May 29, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 09:41:14 AM

Beckford is to be released by Leicester. Now is our chance to swoop

Who was it who was always banging on about signing him?

Coopers Injury.

I used to love the way he did that. He'd use the phrase "at it" most of the time.

For example, Beckford, while playing on loan for Carlisle, would score at Colchester, and CI would casually mention "I see Beckford was at it again this weekend".

God, he was an arse. (Coopers Injury, not Beckford).

Oh , the irony of it !

2nd post back and you're already having a pop.

Remembering advice, laugh at and ignore.

2nd post back and already your bleating - I was talking about beckford !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2013, 10:35:55 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Yeah he looks like he'll be a very good player, and would be a great choice as understudy to Benteke for a year.

Exactly. He's the ideal replacement for Bent, difference being he'd probably fit into our system so would give us exciting options from the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:38:05 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 10:35:55 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Yeah he looks like he'll be a very good player, and would be a great choice as understudy to Benteke for a year.

Exactly. He's the ideal replacement for Bent, difference being he'd probably fit into our system so would give us exciting options from the bench.

Seems a decent finisher , I haven't seen that much of him but at £4.5 m its worth a gamble .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 10:46:08 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:38:05 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 10:35:55 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Yeah he looks like he'll be a very good player, and would be a great choice as understudy to Benteke for a year.

Exactly. He's the ideal replacement for Bent, difference being he'd probably fit into our system so would give us exciting options from the bench.

Seems a decent finisher , I haven't seen that much of him but at £4.5 m its worth a gamble .

You're talking about Austin, they're talking about that other bloke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 10:46:57 AM

That Cornelius chappie looks like he'll be a bargain for somebody. A hell of a left foot on him. Though I do wonder, why do compilation videos on Youtube always have such shit music?

Anybody remember Steven Defour who we were linked with? I see he's at Porto now - it would be interesting to know if he's still worth a gander.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:50:36 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 10:46:08 AM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 10:38:05 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 10:35:55 AM

Quote from: paul_e on May 29, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Yeah he looks like he'll be a very good player, and would be a great choice as understudy to Benteke for a year.

Exactly. He's the ideal replacement for Bent, difference being he'd probably fit into our system so would give us exciting options from the bench.

Seems a decent finisher , I haven't seen that much of him but at £4.5 m its worth a gamble .

You're talking about Austin, they're talking about that other bloke.

Bloody hell paulie must be holiday withdrawal symptoms -

I talking bout beckford when clampy thinks I'm talking bout him and now I'm talking bout Austin when they are talking bout some other bloke - need to sleep methinks :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:55:52 AM

Out of interest Eastie, in what way were you being ironic about Beckford?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 11:03:48 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:55:52 AM

Out of interest Eastie, in what way were you being ironic about Beckford?

After the  long and funny threads about him the  thought of him being mentioned again for us was ironic clampy
At his peak he was crap and is worse now !.

Now let me clear this up once and for all-
I have no issues whatsoever with you clampy, i respect your opinions and views -in no way do i have anything against you at all- yes we have had a bit of banter but i can assure you I have the greatest respect for you- you are a good fan and while  we don't always agree i do quite like you !

Enjoy your summer mate !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 11:14:36 AM

Who are we talking about again? I like the Six Million Dollar Man, but also admire BA Baracus out of 'The A-Team'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 11:16:06 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 11:14:36 AM

Who are we talking about again? I like the Six Million Dollar Man, but also admire BA Baracus out of 'The A-Team'

But which is better?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 11:18:44 AM

I've forgotten myself. Has Saviola been mentioned yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 11:28:15 AM

Is now the appropriate time for a Benni McCarthy joke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 29, 2013, 11:38:02 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 11:14:36 AM

Who are we talking about again? I like the Six Million Dollar Man, but also admire BA Baracus out of 'The A-Team'

I'm sure I read somewhere that, after playing a lot of sport in his younger days, Lee Majors has had a few surgeries like hip and knee replacements. I love the fact that the bionic man had actually become bionic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2013, 11:49:58 AM

He is all rusted up now though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:10:48 PM

Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2013, 11:49:58 AM

He is all rusted up now though.

I used to have a bionic Steve Austin action man as a kid in the mid 70s - back on topic i think the Austin lad at burnley is interesting but i remember guy whittingham having a similar record and not stepping up to the plate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2013, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev.

They are reporting today that we will complete a £2.2M deal for Tonev by the end of the week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:25:53 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2013, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev.

They are reporting today that we will complete a £2.2M deal for Tonev by the end of the week.

Maybe petrov has recommended him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 12:29:15 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2013, 11:03:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 28, 2013, 10:57:19 PM

Never heard of Zouma.

I thought it was that thing girls do at gyms.

I am sure 1 or 2 girls have done Zouma in the gym!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 12:31:12 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2013, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev.

They are reporting today that we will complete a £2.2M deal for Tonev by the end of the week.

Can't profess to know anything about him, but given his age and coming from a lesser European league on a modest fee, he certainly fits the bill as a 'Lambert signing'.

I'd guess that, if true, he'd be used as cover and competition of the Gabby/Weimann roles in the side as opposed to a traditional winger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2013, 12:33:30 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:25:53 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2013, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev.

They are reporting today that we will complete a £2.2M deal for Tonev by the end of the week.

Maybe petrov has recommended him?

Reports and comments from his agent confirm that Celtic, as well as Spanish and German clubs are interested but no mention of us. Apparently Tonev will be making a decision today, so we'll soon find out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tauntonvilla on May 29, 2013, 12:37:03 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

It'll come out soon I'm sure. But one of our players has been shown the door for for failling a drugs test........Moderators Is it ok to say that??
Sorry In advance if you have to delete that one also, I'll not mention it again UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:43:39 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 29, 2013, 12:37:03 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

It'll come out soon I'm sure. But one of our players has been shown the door for for failling a drugs test........Moderators Is it ok to say that??
Sorry In advance if you have to delete that one also, I'll not mention it again UTV

If they've been shown the door then i guess they are not someone the club would like to keep , otherwise they would be offered rehab and help i imagine?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2013, 12:44:55 PM

Presumably it's the obvious one that no-one would be surprised to learn of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:47:51 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 29, 2013, 12:44:55 PM

Presumably it's the obvious one that no-one would be surprised to learn of.

Only two i can think of being likely culprits and either one of those would be good riddance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 12:50:32 PM

Gross Misconduct - the employer's best friend

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 12:57:07 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 12:50:32 PM

Gross Misconduct - the employer's best friend

Indeed , depending of course on who the guilty party is , certain valuable assets wouldn't be shown the door .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 29, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 29, 2013, 12:44:55 PM

Presumably it's the obvious one that no-one would be surprised to learn of.

Someone posed something yesterday. Don't know which thread it was or if it's been lifted but suffice to say if it was anybody the first name that would spring to mind wold be the one everyone would think it was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 12:58:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 11:03:48 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:55:52 AM

Out of interest Eastie, in what way were you being ironic about Beckford?

After the  long and funny threads about him the  thought of him being mentioned again for us was ironic clampy
At his peak he was crap and is worse now !.

Now let me clear this up once and for all-
I have no issues whatsoever with you clampy, i respect your opinions and views -in no way do i have anything against you at all- yes we have had a bit of banter but i can assure you I have the greatest respect for you- you are a good fan and while  we don't always agree i do quite like you !

Enjoy your summer mate !

Thank you for your kind words Eastie. I do hope you had a smashing holiday. It's jolly good to have you back in the fold.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:03:01 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 12:58:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 11:03:48 AM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 10:55:52 AM

Out of interest Eastie, in what way were you being ironic about Beckford?

After the  long and funny threads about him the  thought of him being mentioned again for us was ironic clampy
At his peak he was crap and is worse now !.

Now let me clear this up once and for all-
I have no issues whatsoever with you clampy, i respect your opinions and views -in no way do i have anything against you at all- yes we have had a bit of banter but i can assure you I have the greatest respect for you- you are a good fan and while  we don't always agree i do quite like you !

Enjoy your summer mate !

Thank you for your kind words Eastie. I do hope you had a smashing holiday. It's jolly good to have you back in the fold.

Cheers clamps , yes very nice holiday , great weather too, just time flies by so fast - now i have to wait till September for the next one - back to work tomorrow :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on May 29, 2013, 01:11:30 PM

Tonev would be a great signing for our fan base with all the Bulgarians coming over in January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:23:55 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 29, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

Quote from: OCD on May 29, 2013, 12:44:55 PM

Presumably it's the obvious one that no-one would be surprised to learn of.

Someone posed something yesterday. Don't know which thread it was or if it's been lifted but suffice to say if it was anybody the first name that would spring to mind wold be the one everyone would think it was.

Only thing to say really to the guilty party is Bye Bye.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Another player to replace in the squad - busy summer ahead.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Another player to replace in the squad - busy summer ahead.

If it's who I think it is, then he was on his bike anyway, so no actual increase in incoming players is warranted by this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 02:01:48 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Another player to replace in the squad - busy summer ahead.

If it's who I think it is, then he was on his bike anyway, so no actual increase in incoming players is warranted by this.

Maybe so, but we may have got a million or so for him from north of the border?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on May 29, 2013, 02:03:46 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 11:16:06 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on May 29, 2013, 11:14:36 AM

Who are we talking about again? I like the Six Million Dollar Man, but also admire BA Baracus out of 'The A-Team'

But which is better?

There's only one way to find out......FIGHT!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2013, 02:03:56 PM

Can we give it a rest until something concrete comes out or he is out of the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on May 29, 2013, 02:06:25 PM

I'd take a PM if one's going. Have a feeling I know who it is, but wouldn't mind confirmation...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 02:07:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 02:01:48 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Another player to replace in the squad - busy summer ahead.

If it's who I think it is, then he was on his bike anyway, so no actual increase in incoming players is warranted by this.

Maybe so, but we may have got a million or so for him from north of the border?

As per ozzjim's request, it's best we leave it there until something is actually confirmed on this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 02:09:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 02:07:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 02:01:48 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 29, 2013, 01:52:12 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 12:28:01 PM

Quote from: tauntonvilla on May 28, 2013, 11:22:29 PM

*snip*

let's not be posting potentially libellous stuff here for the moment, please

Any chance of a PM plese tauntonvilla?

Me too please.

Another player to replace in the squad - busy summer ahead.

If it's who I think it is, then he was on his bike anyway, so no actual increase in incoming players is warranted by this.

Maybe so, but we may have got a million or so for him from north of the border?

As per ozzjim's request, it's best we leave it there until something is actually confirmed on this.

I think that's fair enough ozz !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on May 29, 2013, 02:21:29 PM

Annnnyyyyway


So what do people think of Barry Bannan maybe moving on? I've got a feeling Lambert doesn't fancy him.

I think there's a good player in there somewhere but he's got to be exceptional to play CM given his short-arsed-ness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2013, 02:31:39 PM

Bannan has had more than enough opportunity at Villa and he's never pushed on. He's coming up to being 24 and I think he needs a fresh start, he'll never make it here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 02:38:51 PM

I had high hopes for Bannan, but agree his career would be better served away from Villa Park now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 02:38:51 PM

I had high hopes for Bannan, but agree his career would be better served away from Villa Park now.

Never delivered consistently and has failed to take his chance - not a premier league player for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 02:55:13 PM

I do hope Ireland makes a good effort over the close season to get fit and healthy and is taking full advantage of any recovery aids and enhancing medicine commercially available!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 02:56:44 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2013, 02:31:39 PM

Bannan has had more than enough opportunity at Villa and he's never pushed on. He's coming up to being 24 and I think he needs a fresh start, he'll never make it here.

Paul lambert was very fair to him and gave him an extended run in the team to prove himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2013, 02:59:28 PM

I don't think Bannan, Clark or Albrighton are good enough. They had opportunities and didn't make the most of it overall.

That said going from being 'managed' and coached by O'Neill & Clan, followed by a Houllier and his Sidekick McAllister and then TSM and then Lambert and Co all in the space of 2 years can't have done much for their development in terms of continuity. Let's face facts in terms of age, playing style, approach to coaching and motivation etc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 03:01:53 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 02:56:44 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2013, 02:31:39 PM

Bannan has had more than enough opportunity at Villa and he's never pushed on. He's coming up to being 24 and I think he needs a fresh start, he'll never make it here.

Paul lambert was very fair to him and gave him an extended run in the team to prove himself.

TSM gave him quite a bit of game time as well.  As did Houllier the first half of his season here, when we had a lot of injuries.  So, for the past 3 seasons I'd say he's had more than enough chances to impress, but has rarely done so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 29, 2013, 03:02:11 PM

Im with you on Bannan and Albrighton, but actually rate Clark, and would keep and try to develop him.  I like a lot about him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 29, 2013, 03:07:40 PM

Bloke two doors up reckons Albrighton's getting a season to show whether he can still do it. He has, after all, had rather a torrid time with injuries of late. Can't say Lambert's not fair when it comes to giving players a chance to prove their worth.


This Bulgarian chap turned us down yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on May 29, 2013, 03:12:42 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on May 29, 2013, 02:06:25 PM

I'd take a PM if one's going. Have a feeling I know who it is, but wouldn't mind confirmation...

Same here if someone could be so kind :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 29, 2013, 03:23:36 PM

Can we knock the speculation, including asking for PM's etc, on the head now please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 03:24:24 PM

What a lot of gossips you all are. It's like a saturday morning in a ladies hairdressers.
 ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 29, 2013, 03:25:53 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on May 29, 2013, 03:12:42 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on May 29, 2013, 02:06:25 PM

I'd take a PM if one's going. Have a feeling I know who it is, but wouldn't mind confirmation...

Same here if someone could be so kind :)

I'm enjoying the suspense!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 03:27:11 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on May 29, 2013, 03:02:11 PM

Im with you on Bannan and Albrighton, but actually rate Clark, and would keep and try to develop him.  I like a lot about him

Agree, Clark needs to find his best position - bannan and albrighton have failed to take their numerous chances .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2013, 03:44:31 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 29, 2013, 03:23:36 PM

Can we knock the speculation, including asking for PM's etc, on the head now please.

It would appear asking for that has fallen on deaf ears. At least my 5 year old gives me plenty of practice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 03:58:28 PM

Express and Star today report VILLA CLOSING IN ON £4.5 AUSTIN. Sounds possible. Darren to Fulham for 4mil. Sounds ridiculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2013, 04:05:39 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 03:58:28 PM

Express and Star today report VILLA CLOSING IN ON £4.5 AUSTIN. Sounds possible. Darren to Fulham for 4mil. Sounds ridiculous.

How old is Austin?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2013, 04:06:40 PM

24 I think, maybe 23.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 29, 2013, 04:06:59 PM

Nearly 24.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on May 29, 2013, 04:07:52 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on May 29, 2013, 04:05:39 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 03:58:28 PM

Express and Star today report VILLA CLOSING IN ON £4.5 AUSTIN. Sounds possible. Darren to Fulham for 4mil. Sounds ridiculous.

How old is Austin?

Young. 22-23 perhaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 04:14:50 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 03:58:28 PM

Express and Star today report VILLA CLOSING IN ON £4.5 AUSTIN. Sounds possible. Darren to Fulham for 4mil. Sounds ridiculous.

Would be madness to sell bent for just £4m- I'd want double that minimum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2013, 04:15:31 PM

All I know of Austin is his age and that he has a very good scoring record. Can someone who's seen more of him give a little insight? Would he just be a central striker option or could he play wide in the Gabby/Weimann roles? Does he have pace? Trickery? Is he good at holding the ball up and playing others in? Does he score a variety of goals or is he mainly a predator in the box?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2013, 04:17:44 PM

Bent should go for £8 million minimum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 04:18:08 PM

Well he has a beard, scores goals, currently plays in claret and blue. Does he,however, fit Lamberts requirements of being young and hungry?

Well just about young and he was born in Hungerford.

Unless its Steve Austin...bostin Steve Austin!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on May 29, 2013, 04:33:18 PM

I like the link with Austin. As I understand it he's got where he is the 'hard' way and having got the chance is taking it. Scores goals in not the best side around. I'm happy with all the noises surrounding the club at the moment, but that may be because I'm drinking beer on a beach.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2013, 04:35:34 PM

I'm guessing Austin is a Bent replacement/understudy to Benteke.  Decent bit of business if true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

From what I can see, Austin is one of those players that can get a yard of space in the area and knows where the goal is. I haven't seen a single instance of him grafting for a goal or playing out wide. That doesn't mean to say it's not what we need (there were a few sitters that went begging last season) but we're talking about a step up, so if he's coming here, he needs to add a lot more to his game.

Having said that, £4.5 million for a lad that scored 28 goals last season would be brilliant business.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 05:09:18 PM

The Bent Austin deal  is gathering speed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2013, 05:19:39 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

From what I can see, Austin is one of those players that can get a yard of space in the area and knows where the goal is. I haven't seen a single instance of him grafting for a goal or playing out wide. That doesn't mean to say it's not what we need (there were a few sitters that went begging last season) but we're talking about a step up, so if he's coming here, he needs to add a lot more to his game.

Having said that, £4.5 million for a lad that scored 28 goals last season would be brilliant business.

At 6"2 with a bit of physical presence, I think he would be an understudy with a view to being able to compete to replace Benteke in 12 months. I don't think he will be bought to play wide much. Bent out for 8-9 million, Austin in for half the price, on probably about a third of the wages is not the worst business in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:23:04 PM

I don't know anything about Charlie Austin other than he's got a decent goalscoring record.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2013, 05:24:17 PM

We've lacked a player with a good beard for some time now, so he gets my seal of approval.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on May 29, 2013, 05:25:45 PM

Austin               Benteke                  Weimann


With Gabby coming on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on May 29, 2013, 05:26:37 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 29, 2013, 05:24:17 PM

We've lacked a player with a good beard for some time now, so he gets my seal of approval.

None of them have been old enough to grow one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2013, 05:26:43 PM

Quote from: richtheholtender on May 29, 2013, 05:25:45 PM

Austin               Benteke                  Weimann


With Gabby coming on.

Anyone watching the Fulham game, will see that we are nothing without the pace of Gabby in that front 3. We need a pacey option to bring in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 29, 2013, 05:27:28 PM

Quote from: richtheholtender on May 29, 2013, 05:25:45 PM

Austin               Benteke                  Weimann


With Gabby coming on.

As others have said, I would imagine he is more suited as a central player. I have no idea how quick he is mind, so it is possible he can play wide.

The Wigan game was telling, with Benteke out, the system just didn't gel. Benteke's lay offs and general passing may still be a bit iffy, but the way he makes the ball stick up front and brings Gabby and Andi in is exceptional.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:35:46 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 29, 2013, 05:24:17 PM

We've lacked a player with a good beard for some time now, so he gets my seal of approval.

Carlos had a beard but it was'nt as good as Olof's. You're right, we need a beard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2013, 05:40:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:35:46 PM

Quote from: Ads on May 29, 2013, 05:24:17 PM

We've lacked a player with a good beard for some time now, so he gets my seal of approval.

Carlos had a beard but it was'nt as good as Olof's. You're right, we need a beard.

Can we a have a Trevor hockey beard?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2013, 05:43:45 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2013, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 08:16:19 AM

The Sun (probably bullshit then) report that Villa are after Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev.

They are reporting today that we will complete a £2.2M deal for Tonev by the end of the week.

Interesting. I remember they broke the Vlaar story before any of the nationals last year.

No nothing about the lad but another wide player is welcome and probably spells the end for Albrighton here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2013, 05:49:23 PM

Daily Record are reporting that Tonev will let Celtic know whether he has agreed to sign for them in the next 24 hours. So I guess if he doesn't, it could mean Villa are after him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2013, 06:06:28 PM

So, summarising the last couple of pages, a striker and winger are on the radar but no defenders yet targeted.
What f**k is Lambert and his team doing?! ;)

I love the idea of tying deals up early and before trousering the cash from Bent's presumed departure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2013, 06:07:55 PM

Yep, I would say that's far.

Weird for the Sun to say we will sign him by the end of the week, must have an insider at VP as they got Vlaar deal spot on....eventually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 29, 2013, 06:08:36 PM

I think Tonev has been linked to Celtic for a while, maybe even going back to before last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 06:15:04 PM

To be fair to the Sun, they aren't the worst when it comes to transfer speculation. More reliable then the Mirror and the Daily Mail anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:00:07 PM

Interesting ....

http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/

A move for Demba Savage is likely this window, press in Finland believe Southampton along with us have had him watched x amount of times, with Villa set to pounce first.

"Living in Helsinki I can assure Villa fans that this would be a very good signing. Savage can play anywhere up front and on either wings."

"He possesses excellent dribbling ability and has an eye for the creative ball. A fun player to watch. would be a great bit of business and he deserves a chance for a bigger stage like Villa"
   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2013, 07:02:35 PM

Do you think we missed an opportunity here?
From the grauniad online:

Quote

Michael Bradley

His nickname in Italy is "the General". Bradley's selfless work in the engine room can, at times, be taken for granted but without him Roma would have been struggling this season. Instead, Roma battled for a European spot. Bradley's move to Serie A has been the making of him. The USMNT midfielder has absorbed the Italian culture and his family have settled well in the Eternal City – just check out the video above, in which Bradley shows off his Italian, talks yoga and Springsteen and gives off flamboyant hand gestures … Bradley joined Roma after helping Chievo to a respectable 10th place the previous season. In February, Aurelio Andreazzoli arrived as Roma's new manager and Bradley excelled, playing 31 times, scoring once, but his season finished on a low point, as Roma lost 1-0 to Lazio in a tense Rome Derby/Coppa Italia final. A piece of silverware would have been the perfect way to cap off this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 29, 2013, 07:11:43 PM

Isn't Austin the guy with the suspect shoulder that could go again  at any time?

Never mind beards, it's been a long time since we had Trevor Ford up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2013, 07:14:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:23:04 PM

I don't know anything about Charlie Austin other than he's got a decent goalscoring record.

So did David Nugent at Preston before he signed for Portsmouth and managed to score 6 goals over 3 seasons.
What ever happened to him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:15:12 PM

Quote from: Mister E on May 29, 2013, 07:02:35 PM

Do you think we missed an opportunity here?
From the grauniad online:

Quote

Michael Bradley

His nickname in Italy is "the General". Bradley's selfless work in the engine room can, at times, be taken for granted but without him Roma would have been struggling this season. Instead, Roma battled for a European spot. Bradley's move to Serie A has been the making of him. The USMNT midfielder has absorbed the Italian culture and his family have settled well in the Eternal City – just check out the video above, in which Bradley shows off his Italian, talks yoga and Springsteen and gives off flamboyant hand gestures … Bradley joined Roma after helping Chievo to a respectable 10th place the previous season. In February, Aurelio Andreazzoli arrived as Roma's new manager and Bradley excelled, playing 31 times, scoring once, but his season finished on a low point, as Roma lost 1-0 to Lazio in a tense Rome Derby/Coppa Italia final. A piece of silverware would have been the perfect way to cap off this season.

In a word probably NO.. his season did finis on a low point as he missed a sitter clean through after 5 or so minutes cup final...

If you want a USA midfielder its all about Fabian Johnson- would be ace to have 2 fabians in the team! Yeah!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 07:14:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:23:04 PM

I don't know anything about Charlie Austin other than he's got a decent goalscoring record.

So did David Nugent at Preston before he signed for Portsmouth and managed to score 6 goals over 3 seasons.
What ever happened to him?

seriously ?? did you not watch the championship play off semi finals....

or know about svens love for him when at leicester - hes still there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 07:23:00 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:00:07 PM

Interesting ....

http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/

A move for Demba Savage is likely this window, press in Finland believe Southampton along with us have had him watched x amount of times, with Villa set to pounce first.

"Living in Helsinki I can assure Villa fans that this would be a very good signing. Savage can play anywhere up front and on either wings."

"He possesses excellent dribbling ability and has an eye for the creative ball. A fun player to watch. would be a great bit of business and he deserves a chance for a bigger stage like Villa"
   

As long as it's not Lilly 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2013, 07:26:42 PM

From what i've seen of him, Austin reminds me of Dean Ashton. I'd be happy with him.

He'd have to earn his place though and currently would be behind the three amigos.
No way does Gabby miss out unless his form deserts him again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 07:33:10 PM

Quote from: manic-road on May 29, 2013, 07:23:00 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:00:07 PM

Interesting ....

http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/

A move for Demba Savage is likely this window, press in Finland believe Southampton along with us have had him watched x amount of times, with Villa set to pounce first.

"Living in Helsinki I can assure Villa fans that this would be a very good signing. Savage can play anywhere up front and on either wings."

"He possesses excellent dribbling ability and has an eye for the creative ball. A fun player to watch. would be a great bit of business and he deserves a chance for a bigger stage like Villa"
   

As long as it's not Lilly

I find it difficult to comprehend the words Demba and Savage in a footballing sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2013, 07:43:43 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2013, 03:58:28 PM

Express and Star today report VILLA CLOSING IN ON £4.5 AUSTIN. Sounds possible. Darren to Fulham for 4mil. Sounds ridiculous.

prefer Gayle from Peterborough . He works harder than Austin

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2013, 07:48:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:00:07 PM

Interesting ....

http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
 Demba Savage

The love child of Demba BA and Robbie Savage . Cant wait to see what he looks like .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 29, 2013, 08:01:42 PM

If we sign Charlie Austin, I'm expecting to see several AUSTIN 3:16 placards on the Holte next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2013, 08:07:58 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 29, 2013, 07:14:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2013, 05:23:04 PM

I don't know anything about Charlie Austin other than he's got a decent goalscoring record.

So did David Nugent at Preston before he signed for Portsmouth and managed to score 6 goals over 3 seasons.
What ever happened to him?

seriously ?? did you not watch the championship play off semi finals....

or know about svens love for him when at leicester - hes still there

Erm.. no. The last Championship play off semi final I saw was a darts match. Leicester you say? Obviously returned to his level.*

Steve Rose, about his shoulder, I've just read something similar on a Burnley site about him having "a busted shoulder".


*I really rated him at PNE.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2013, 08:15:14 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 29, 2013, 08:01:42 PM

If we sign Charlie Austin, I'm expecting to see several AUSTIN 3:16 placards on the Holte next season.

I want to see him score at that very moment every game. Either that or we have applause lasting 1 second at that time

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on May 29, 2013, 08:53:37 PM

Quote from: FatSam on May 23, 2013, 07:51:46 PM

Celtic have been linked with Aleksandar Tonev of Lech Poznan in the past. He is 23 and can play as a winger, and could be an option to give us some formational flexibility. Based on his age and the level that he is currently playing at I would have thought he would fit our recruitment strategy - but the Polish league might not be on Lambert's radar.

I'm a bit worried that I might have inadvertently started the Tonev rumours with my post from last week. He was genuinely just a player that I was aware of and thought might be up Lambert's street. Anyway, if there is substance to what is being reported today, then I claim my prize!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on May 29, 2013, 08:54:06 PM

If we sign Charlie Austin, I'm expecting to see several AUSTIN 3:16 placards on the Holte next season.
[/quote]

I had to google that.... Very good!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 29, 2013, 08:57:44 PM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 29, 2013, 08:01:42 PM

If we sign Charlie Austin, I'm expecting to see several AUSTIN 3:16 placards on the Holte next season.

If he could do that Austin beer celebration when he scores, that would be awesome.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 29, 2013, 09:44:46 PM

Hope we don't use Robbie Savage number on new signing Demba Savage shirt. (If this go ahead)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 29, 2013, 09:47:56 PM

Quote from: FatSam on May 29, 2013, 08:53:37 PM

Quote from: FatSam on May 23, 2013, 07:51:46 PM

Celtic have been linked with Aleksandar Tonev of Lech Poznan in the past. He is 23 and can play as a winger, and could be an option to give us some formational flexibility. Based on his age and the level that he is currently playing at I would have thought he would fit our recruitment strategy - but the Polish league might not be on Lambert's radar.

I'm a bit worried that I might have inadvertently started the Tonev rumours with my post from last week. He was genuinely just a player that I was aware of and thought might be up Lambert's street. Anyway, if there is substance to what is being reported today, then I claim my prize!

dont worry there are worse rumours to start see Bercos wife for details 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2013, 10:01:27 PM

I have heard that this lad Austin has a very good engine!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2013, 10:08:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 29, 2013, 07:48:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 29, 2013, 07:00:07 PM

Interesting ....

http://www.astonvillarumours.co.uk/
 Demba Savage

The love child of Demba BA and Robbie Savage . Cant wait to see what he looks like .

That site looks really credible, too.

I particularly like the way "Aston Villa Rumours" is done in Comic Sans.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 10:47:19 PM

It would be interesting to see a stats breakdown of how a top Championship marksman does when signed to step up to the Prem over, say, the last ten years. Nugent and Beckford spring to mind as ones that didn't make the grade, while I also remember Shane Long being prolific at Reading before he signed for the Bitters. But Lambert and Holt have both got decent records since promotion, and I'm sure there must be other examples of Championship strikers hitting the ground running.

If Austin scored 28 last season, what's a reasonable return for a first season in the Prem?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 29, 2013, 11:36:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 10:47:19 PM

It would be interesting to see a stats breakdown of how a top Championship marksman does when signed to step up to the Prem over, say, the last ten years. Nugent and Beckford spring to mind as ones that didn't make the grade, while I also remember Shane Long being prolific at Reading before he signed for the Bitters. But Lambert and Holt have both got decent records since promotion, and I'm sure there must be other examples of Championship strikers hitting the ground running.

If Austin scored 28 last season, what's a reasonable return for a first season in the Prem?

The encouraging statistic about Austin is that he has averaged at least one in two for both his clubs,Swindon and Burnley,the latter having struggled in the Championship,and also at a relatively young age for a big central striker. Nugent had a good strike rate at Preston but seemed quite slow though skilful,more a Sheriingham type.
Beckford scoring rate at Leeds was sensational. I think they were in the third tier at one stage,perhaps benefited from being in a very good side? He looked skilful,pacy and good in the air but perhaps  that should be qualified by 'quite' and that brings in character.The more difficult task of the Premiership could lead to more than self- doubt ,eg the Moores.
Now Austin being an ex-brickie has come up the hard way.
Interesting,the England strikers were once a product of the non-league..Mariner,Regis,Davenport,Birtles and Withe ( exBarrow ,Div4 or lower)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2013, 12:20:01 AM

Quote from: richtheholtender on May 29, 2013, 05:25:45 PM

Austin               Benteke                  Weimann


With Gabby coming on.

From what I have seen of him, Austin is an out and out centre forward so I wouldn't expect to play wide.  I think we are more likely to see the Weimann, Betenke, Gabby trio continue with the likes of Austin and Tonev as back up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 30, 2013, 12:32:00 AM

Quote from: Mister E on May 29, 2013, 06:06:28 PM

So, summarising the last couple of pages, a striker and winger are on the radar but no defenders yet targeted.
What f**k is Lambert and his team doing?! ;)

I love the idea of tying deals up early and before trousering the cash from Bent's presumed departure.

It is the lambert way. Conceding too many goals? Add more forward to score more goals. Simples.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on May 30, 2013, 12:33:53 AM

Lerner Lambert business model timely and acute?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22704180

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 12:41:15 AM

Being reported in a couple of places that we've actually bid for this lad Tonev now. Interesting to see how that works out.

Tonev bid (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2332932/Aston-Villa-want-buy-Aleksandar-Tonev-Charlie-Austin-sell-Darren-Bent.html)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2013, 02:27:47 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2013, 10:47:19 PM

It would be interesting to see a stats breakdown of how a top Championship marksman does when signed to step up to the Prem over, say, the last ten years. Nugent and Beckford spring to mind as ones that didn't make the grade, while I also remember Shane Long being prolific at Reading before he signed for the Bitters. But Lambert and Holt have both got decent records since promotion, and I'm sure there must be other examples of Championship strikers hitting the ground running.

If Austin scored 28 last season, what's a reasonable return for a first season in the Prem?

9. And Shane Long is ace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2013, 03:47:55 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I assume he wouldn't be out-and-out winger, more sort of where Weimann plays, so he can compete with Andi or replace him if he won't sign a new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 05:46:54 AM

On Twitter there is a bloke (@KubaLech) who seems like he generally knows what it going on at Poznan. He tweeted that a decision by Tonev regarding Celtic would've been made yesterday. I wonder if the fact no annoucement has been made means he has rejected Celtic and will be coming to us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

You don't hear many stories like that anymore (Stuart Pearce, an electrician etc)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 08:48:17 AM

Perhaps he could play dual centre half with Concrete Ron.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2013, 08:50:14 AM

Ricky Lambert and Grant "Fat Boy" Holt would be two biggish units who have come up from the Championship and done well.

That said, they're both in their 30's, while Austin is a lot younger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 30, 2013, 09:16:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

You don't hear many stories like that anymore (Stuart Pearce, an electrician etc)

That lad from Bradford who scored against us used to 'stack shelves at the Co-Op' what they sang anyway....they were wrong, it was Morrisons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 09:39:45 AM

Lambert going for a wide man isn't a shock in any way,  we play Gabby and Weimann wide at the moment, so some competition for those roles is important.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 30, 2013, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 10:01:27 PM

I have heard that this lad Austin has a very good engine!

All very well but suspect bodywork according to some

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on May 30, 2013, 09:45:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

Would like the thought of him making defenders shit bricks!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2013, 11:30:56 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on May 30, 2013, 09:45:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

Would like the thought of him making defenders shit bricks!

Probably better for him to build stuff with the 'shit bricks' benteke causes, we could redevelop the north stand with the pile of those we have for last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on May 30, 2013, 11:34:12 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on May 30, 2013, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 10:01:27 PM

I have heard that this lad Austin has a very good engine!

All very well but suspect bodywork according to some

But he's a Maestro with the ball at his feet...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 30, 2013, 11:52:26 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on May 30, 2013, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2013, 10:01:27 PM

I have heard that this lad Austin has a very good engine!

All very well but suspect bodywork according to some

What I told my neighbour this morning !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on May 30, 2013, 12:32:58 PM

a self-confessed Metrosexual

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:00:17 PM

Antolin Alcaraz, Maynor Figueroa, Chris Brunt and Thomas Hitzlsperger are a few names on free transfers that have really caught my eye. Especially Figueroa at Left Back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2013, 01:19:14 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

As rumours go, that's excellent and also probably bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Never rated him. Really don't see what he offers to a side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2013, 01:37:06 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Never rated him. Really don't see what he offers to a side.

He was one of the most talented players I'd ever seen when at Porto but Fergie managed to squeeze it all out of him, wanting a workhorse midfielder, something he'd never be. Such a waste.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2013, 01:38:11 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 30, 2013, 01:37:06 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Never rated him. Really don't see what he offers to a side.

He was one of the most talented players I'd ever seen when at Porto but Fergie managed to squeeze it all out of him, wanting a workhorse midfielder, something he'd never be. Such a waste.

Yes he looked an incredible creative talent at Porto, I don't what know Manure did to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on May 30, 2013, 01:42:49 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2013, 01:38:11 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 30, 2013, 01:37:06 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Never rated him. Really don't see what he offers to a side.

He was one of the most talented players I'd ever seen when at Porto but Fergie managed to squeeze it all out of him, wanting a workhorse midfielder, something he'd never be. Such a waste.

Yes he looked an incredible creative talent at Porto, I don't what know Manure did to him.

My mate is a united season ticket holder - raves about Anderson . Loves him because his first movement is always positive. , looking to play a forward pass or to go at a player . Think he would be very good for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2013, 01:44:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2013, 01:38:11 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on May 30, 2013, 01:37:06 PM

Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Never rated him. Really don't see what he offers to a side.

He was one of the most talented players I'd ever seen when at Porto but Fergie managed to squeeze it all out of him, wanting a workhorse midfielder, something he'd never be. Such a waste.

Yes he looked an incredible creative talent at Porto, I don't what know Manure did to him.

Showed him the curry mile

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on May 30, 2013, 01:49:00 PM

I really like Anderson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 02:22:24 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Willie Anderson?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on May 30, 2013, 02:27:45 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 02:22:24 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Willie Anderson?

It can't be Willie, Ron. We've already bought him once.

It's Viv, mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on May 30, 2013, 02:49:19 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on May 30, 2013, 09:16:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

You don't hear many stories like that anymore (Stuart Pearce, an electrician etc)

That lad from Bradford who scored against us used to 'stack shelves at the Co-Op' what they sang anyway....they were wrong, it was Morrisons.

Sorry, wrong.  It was the Co-op he worked at, Idle branch. (an area of Bradford - not a description of the person)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on May 30, 2013, 03:08:01 PM

Quote from: fbriai on May 30, 2013, 02:27:45 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 02:22:24 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on May 30, 2013, 01:05:06 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 01:16:09 AM

Surprised he's going after any wingers.
I'd have thought a playmaker was more important than a winger.

I read somewhere that we've bid £9 million for United's Anderson, but it's as obscure a rumour as any.

Willie Anderson?

It can't be Willie, Ron. We've already bought him once.

It's Viv, mate.

James Anderson?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2013, 03:12:27 PM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

You don't hear many stories like that anymore (Stuart Pearce, an electrician etc)

There are some other way round like Richard Dunne former footballer now professional Pie eater!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 30, 2013, 03:17:19 PM

I imagine there is as much chance of Villa signing Viv Anderson as there is Anderson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on May 30, 2013, 03:32:08 PM

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick 1m
Aston Villa do have an interest in signing Bulgarian attacking midfielder Aleksandar Tonev from Polish club Lech Poznan #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 03:38:04 PM

I think Anderson has been completely destroyed at Manure and I can't see him ever reaching his potential now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:42:11 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 03:38:04 PM

I think Anderson has been completely destroyed at Manure and I can't see him ever reaching his potential now.

completely destroyed? He's 25 has a decent number of years ahead of him. Boateng went to Milan at 23 or 24 and has come on leaps and bounds. Some players just need to play and get back some rhythm in their game. I wouldn't say he's been destroyed but that his time at Man U has slowed his development.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 30, 2013, 03:47:44 PM

At £9m, he would be too much of a gamble for us I think.

He also seems to be injury-prone.  He's only played 98 league games for Man U, and he's been there since 2007.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mellin on May 30, 2013, 03:49:44 PM

He puts on a few stone mid-season every year at United. Just think of the contempt with which he'd treat the Villa. Avoid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 03:54:43 PM

Boateng never had any gametime at all at Spuds though. So it was hard to judge. Anderson just looks a shadow of the player he was at Porto whenever he plays for Manure. He might prove me wrong but he is a write-off IMO. Shame given how good he was at Porto when he looked like he would become one of the best in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 30, 2013, 03:57:24 PM

I guess when i read the teamsheet on United players turning out against us, I always feel happier that Anderson is on it rather than not.  That for me says enough

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 30, 2013, 04:19:02 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 30, 2013, 03:12:27 PM

Quote from: Malandro on May 30, 2013, 08:16:14 AM

just read that Austin used to be a bricklayer. The Burnley fans chant 'he used to build walls, now he scores goals'.

You don't hear many stories like that anymore (Stuart Pearce, an electrician etc)

There are some other way round like Richard Dunne former footballer now professional Pie eater!

John 'The Flying Postman' Williams went from postie to the Premier League. Neil 'Fatboy' Webb went from Premier League to postman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 30, 2013, 05:12:40 PM

Much rather spend £2m on the bulgarian winger than see us splash out £9m on Anderson .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 05:13:19 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on May 30, 2013, 03:57:24 PM

I guess when i read the teamsheet on United players turning out against us, I always feel happier that Anderson is on it rather than not.  That for me says enough

Totally agree. I see Anderson as a weak link in the UTD team and i think Moyes will look for a more influencial Player in the middle of the park. £9m ? think Westwood will be a more valuable player this season .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2013, 05:38:01 PM

I wonder if Petrov has talked to Tonev to swing the transfer in Villa's favour?
Anderson, really over-rated in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on May 30, 2013, 05:48:49 PM

Crewe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 05:56:28 PM

Pique?


I am sure there was an italian striker too who went onto big things.

Phil Neville was a great player for Everton for a long old time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 30, 2013, 06:09:45 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on May 30, 2013, 05:48:49 PM

Crewe?

Yes, Platt. Wasn't Beardsley there too? Went to Vancouver Whitecaps I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 06:11:37 PM

Forlan too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 30, 2013, 06:12:28 PM

McGrath

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on May 30, 2013, 06:15:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 05:56:28 PM

I am sure there was an italian striker too who went onto big things.

Giuseppe Rossi?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 06:20:49 PM

Djemba-Djemba turned out alright in the end. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on May 30, 2013, 06:23:59 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on May 30, 2013, 06:15:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 05:56:28 PM

I am sure there was an italian striker too who went onto big things.

Giuseppe Rossi?

yep, he got pretty big on them motorbikes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 06:57:30 PM

Just watched Tonev playing for Lech Poznan. Difficult to judge in one game but definitely lacks composure in front of goal had two good chances to win the game which flew high over the bar. But i am sure PL has had his eye on him over several games and i trust his judgement and experience ........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on May 30, 2013, 06:59:14 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 06:57:30 PM

Just watched Tonev playing for Lech Poznan. Difficult to judge in one game but definitely lacks composure in front of goal had two good chances to win the game which flew high over the bar. But i am sure PL has had his eye on him over several games and i trust his judgement and experience ........

Benteke looked a bit like that too....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on May 30, 2013, 07:01:13 PM

Quote from: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Paul Pogba, Shawcross, Simpson (Newcastle right back)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 07:09:03 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 06:57:30 PM

Just watched Tonev playing for Lech Poznan. Difficult to judge in one game but definitely lacks composure in front of goal had two good chances to win the game which flew high over the bar. But i am sure PL has had his eye on him over several games and i trust his judgement and experience ........

If his main problem is just composure, then that isn't that big a problem as that can be easily improved. Look at Benteke, looked pretty wasteful early on but gradually became more clinical as the season went on. What was Tonev's reaction at the end by the way? Did it look like he was saying his goodbyes?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 07:15:42 PM

Quote from: Shrek on May 30, 2013, 07:01:13 PM

Quote from: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Paul Pogba, Shawcross, Simpson (Newcastle right back)

and of course.....R.Savage!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

I think he's garbage personally. Never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2013, 07:28:31 PM

Quote from: Shrek on May 30, 2013, 07:01:13 PM

Quote from: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Paul Pogba, Shawcross, Simpson (Newcastle right back)

I'd hardly call Danny Simpson a real find.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2013, 07:28:54 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

I think he's garbage personally. Never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games.

That'd be my concern, too. He looks overweight whenever I see him.

I also wonder what the commitment would be of a player coming from there to here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:31:11 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 30, 2013, 07:15:42 PM

Quote from: Shrek on May 30, 2013, 07:01:13 PM

Quote from: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Paul Pogba, Shawcross, Simpson (Newcastle right back)

and of course.....R.Savage!

Probably more players who are in their mid to late 20s rather than some of the youth they let go.

When Nicky Butt left he was relegated with two different clubs and Park went down with QPR. O'shea also went close to a relegation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 07:31:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2013, 07:28:54 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

I think he's garbage personally. Never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games.

That'd be my concern, too. He looks overweight whenever I see him.

I also wonder what the commitment would be of a player coming from there to here.

I actually think he's a little too muscular and it has slowed him down. Look at him from his Portugal days and now. He certainly needs to play a lot more, but I also think we need a driving midfield player like him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2013, 07:35:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 07:31:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2013, 07:28:54 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

I think he's garbage personally. Never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games.

That'd be my concern, too. He looks overweight whenever I see him.

I also wonder what the commitment would be of a player coming from there to here.

I actually think he's a little too muscular and it has slowed him down. Look at him from his Portugal days and now. He certainly needs to play a lot more, but I also think we need a driving midfield player like him.

I think we've got one. The Fabian Delph we started to see towards the back end of the season will be that man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2013, 07:36:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2013, 07:28:54 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

I think he is a super player, but not one we would ever see in a Villa shirt!

he'll be headed to France or Germany. He's always good when he playes for Man U just doesn't play enough. He needs to have a good run of games. Look at someone like Kevin Price Boateng and how has developed at Milan. I think Anderson is quite similar.

I think he's garbage personally. Never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games.

That'd be my concern, too. He looks overweight whenever I see him.

I also wonder what the commitment would be of a player coming from there to here.

I think between the four of you, you've summed up Anderson very well.

He is without doubt "a super player", he "just doesn't play enough", he "never looks fit either and struggles to last 90 minutes in games" and "he looks overweight".

Saying that, he really needs a new club with the right manager to let him express himself, enjoy his football again. The rest will take care of it'self. I can't see Moyes giving him the space to play with the freedom he so desires. Lambert might but but I can't see it happening. Italy is my guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2013, 07:36:52 PM

At this juncture I'd rather stick with our current midfield 3 than take one of them out for Anderson. I can't comment on his time at Porto 6+ years ago because I never saw that (and he only played 20 odd games for them), but from his time at Utd, I've never seen him stand out. For what he's offered the first 11, 9 mill is also too much.

If we're gonna sign a central midfielder for that sort of money, it needs to be someone who can improve our midfield significantly. I don't think that's Anderson by a long shot. Going back to an inferior league, he may well be able to stand out a little more again.

If we're gonna sign a Brazilian I'd rather get someone with a bit of flair and brilliance in them.

Not sure where Moyes stands on him either, but you'd think with Scholes retiring, Giggs with one year left, and even Carrick getting on a bit now, then Anderson may find he has more opportunities at Utd.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 07:59:15 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 07:09:03 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 06:57:30 PM

Just watched Tonev playing for Lech Poznan. Difficult to judge in one game but definitely lacks composure in front of goal had two good chances to win the game which flew high over the bar. But i am sure PL has had his eye on him over several games and i trust his judgement and experience ........

If his main problem is just composure, then that isn't that big a problem as that can be easily improved. Look at Benteke, looked pretty wasteful early on but gradually became more clinical as the season went on. What was Tonev's reaction at the end by the way? Did it look like he was saying his goodbyes?

Ye to be fair when i first watched Benteke he looked poor in front of goal and we know how that turned out !! Lech Posnan were playing away so there was not many of there fans there. His work rate looked good and he shoots from anywhere. A few clubs are sniffing so lets see what happens ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2013, 08:16:24 PM

Benteke still scored on his debut - couldn't have been that bad in front of goal at the start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 30, 2013, 08:18:20 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 07:59:15 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 07:09:03 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2013, 06:57:30 PM

Just watched Tonev playing for Lech Poznan. Difficult to judge in one game but definitely lacks composure in front of goal had two good chances to win the game which flew high over the bar. But i am sure PL has had his eye on him over several games and i trust his judgement and experience ........

If his main problem is just composure, then that isn't that big a problem as that can be easily improved. Look at Benteke, looked pretty wasteful early on but gradually became more clinical as the season went on. What was Tonev's reaction at the end by the way? Did it look like he was saying his goodbyes?

Ye to be fair when i first watched Benteke he looked poor in front of goal and we know how that turned out !! Lech Posnan were playing away so there was not many of there fans there. His work rate looked good and he shoots from anywhere. A few clubs are sniffing so lets see what happens ......

he I was the same. Tekkers was poor that Belgium game when we were sniffing after him. I thought we had signed a bit of a mule. I was wrong :)

Exciting this though innit? Reminds me of watching that Molde game when we were looking at OGS.

Fun summer times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on May 30, 2013, 08:29:40 PM

Quote from: Shrek on May 30, 2013, 07:01:13 PM

Quote from: DB on May 30, 2013, 05:47:43 PM

Unless you're Ronaldo, don't ever buy a player from Man Ure, they leave 'cos they are sh*t. Who has bought a player from them to become a real find??

Paul Pogba, Shawcross, Simpson (Newcastle right back)

Phil Bardsley

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 30, 2013, 08:30:38 PM

Not convinced by Anderson. There's a good player in there, but he seems to drift in and out of games. Anyway, lately Delph is looking like a similar player, only better. Plus, I think we could do with a midfielder who chips in with a few goals, and Anderson's scoring record is abysmal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 08:36:54 PM

I think it would be nice to have a midfielder that scores goals, but I would argue that it's more important that they create when we essentially play with three forwards and that they can all defend. When you have an attacking midfielder then he's going to want to get forward. Either you then need to drop one of the front three to accomodate him, or perish the thought become even worse defensively because we'll have 2 in midfield at every counter attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2013, 09:12:39 PM

I have no idea where the Anderson love-in comes from. He's never done anything that makes me think he wasn't overpriced.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on May 30, 2013, 09:17:38 PM

Its not the attacking midfielder we should be looking at asa start but a defensive midfielder. Somebody who can offer the back 4 some proper protection and will be there to take the ball from them. Especially helpful for a Baker or Clarke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MonsXI on May 30, 2013, 09:52:55 PM

Alex O'Henley ‏@OHenleyAlex 5m
My sources in Poland tell me that Aleksandar Tonev is close to joining Aston Villa and will fly to Birmingham tomorrow for a medical

sorry if already posted just got emailed from a celtic fan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2013, 09:57:58 PM

Albrighton has had it if this goes through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 10:10:04 PM

Quote from: MonsXI on May 30, 2013, 09:52:55 PM

Alex O'Henley ‏@OHenleyAlex 5m
My sources in Poland tell me that Aleksandar Tonev is close to joining Aston Villa and will fly to Birmingham tomorrow for a medical

sorry if already posted just got emailed from a celtic fan

Most Celtic fans seem to think this guy is usually spot-on. If he was going for a medical tomorrow though, surely he wouldn't of played today?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ross on May 30, 2013, 10:17:58 PM

Hope we are adding a genuine winger to the squad, the lack of width drove me mad at times last season, especially with probably the league's most dangerous striker in the air in our ranks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2013, 10:39:55 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2013, 09:12:39 PM

I have no idea where the Anderson love-in comes from. He's never done anything that makes me think he wasn't overpriced.

A potential Eric Djemba Djemba !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2013, 10:41:15 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2013, 09:12:39 PM

I have no idea where the Anderson love-in comes from. He's never done anything that makes me think he wasn't overpriced.

no love in. Just people chewing the fat. Some think he has potential. Others see differently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2013, 10:42:40 PM

Seems a bit odd for Lambert to be signing a genuine winger after his comments in the forum last summer i.e. the game has changed, everything goes through the centre and it's the full-backs who  have to provide the width.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 10:43:46 PM

Kendrick has just said in his article that Tonev isn't near having a medical with us. Also that Austin and Gayle aren't top targets for Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 10:45:12 PM

www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/transfer-latest-aston-villa-interested-4032785

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on May 30, 2013, 10:45:56 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 10:43:46 PM

Kendrick has just said in his article that Tonev isn't near having a medical with us. Also that Austin and Gayle aren't top targets for Lambert.

Thank the Gods that the local media aren't broadcasting our targets and setting up bidding wars...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 30, 2013, 10:46:37 PM

Hi aftab, how was Shanghai?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2013, 10:55:38 PM

Tonev is most likely a replacement for Holman if anything. Not much point in moving Albrighton yet. Maybe N'Zogbia is off too. As long as the kid is quick with a good delivery and an eye for goal. No I don't want much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

I seem to remember our experts on Belgian football rated Benteke at being worth no more than £1m-£2m when we bought him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 30, 2013, 11:08:37 PM

Quote from: Ross on May 30, 2013, 10:17:58 PM

Hope we are adding a genuine winger to the squad, the lack of width drove me mad at times last season, especially with probably the league's most dangerous striker in the air in our ranks.

Strangely villa used the wings to attack more than most teams last season.  With about 10 games to go we were third (according to a villa facebook post if i recall correctly).  Whilst there was obviously the intent I admit that the quality may have been lacking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 11:30:50 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

I seem to remember our experts on Belgian football rated Benteke at being worth no more than £1m-£2m when we bought him.

Certain French experts came out saying how we had been ripped off for Sylla too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 11:50:43 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 11:30:50 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

I seem to remember our experts on Belgian football rated Benteke at being worth no more than £1m-£2m when we bought him.

Certain French experts came out saying how we had been ripped off for Sylla too.

Who said anything about being an expert? I asked a Polish football fan for his opinion, given that I'd never heard of the player, and thought that others might be interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 31, 2013, 12:07:31 AM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 11:50:43 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 11:30:50 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

I seem to remember our experts on Belgian football rated Benteke at being worth no more than £1m-£2m when we bought him.

Certain French experts came out saying how we had been ripped off for Sylla too.

Who said anything about being an expert? I asked a Polish football fan for his opinion, given that I'd never heard of the player, and thought that others might be interested.

Fair comment Sheffield. We are here to discuss what we know from any source. We all have the option how much we want to make of it ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 31, 2013, 12:26:27 AM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 11:50:43 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on May 30, 2013, 11:30:50 PM

Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2013, 09:39:33 PM

Just had a message back from a former student who is very much into his football and is a bit of a walking encyclopedia on the Polish leagues. His view on Tonev is that he is certainly the best winger at Lech and one of the best in the league. He says if you take into account the difference in standards between English and Polish football, for Villa Tonev would probably be a useful substitute at present but no more than that. To be fair, probably much what Lambert would have in mind for him at the start.

I seem to remember our experts on Belgian football rated Benteke at being worth no more than £1m-£2m when we bought him.

Certain French experts came out saying how we had been ripped off for Sylla too.

Who said anything about being an expert? I asked a Polish football fan for his opinion, given that I'd never heard of the player, and thought that others might be interested.

I was replying to the comment from john2710.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on May 31, 2013, 12:37:57 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2013, 09:12:39 PM

I have no idea where the Anderson love-in comes from. He's never done anything that makes me think he wasn't overpriced.

Perhaps old whisky face sent Randy a letter telling him how Anderson would be a steal at 9 million?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 12:38:34 AM

The one good thing about Lambert is that he likes getting his business done so that as many players as possible report for pre-season training and go on any club trips. This is going to be busy, interesting summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 31, 2013, 12:53:18 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 12:38:34 AM

The one good thing about Lambert is that he likes getting his business done so that as many players as possible report for pre-season training and go on any club trips. This is going to be busy, interesting summer.

There's only one good thing about him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2013, 01:08:44 AM

Yeah, I'd be happy to try this fella and send Holman packing. Albrighton will come good again, just you watch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 31, 2013, 01:33:52 AM

I do wonder if Albrighton would be better off re-inventing himself as a full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2013, 01:40:21 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 31, 2013, 01:33:52 AM

I do wonder if Albrighton would be better off re-inventing himself as a full back.

Not a bad shout, but does give away a lot of very stupid fouls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2013, 01:40:41 AM

He's not much of a tackler so I'd be horrified to be honest. If he is going to make it here it would be as the right side of the front 3. Lambert hasn't had much chance to work with him yet but he might not rate him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2013, 01:45:56 AM

He works very hard, so there is a chance he will make it with Lambert

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2013, 01:55:15 AM

I agree. There's still a decent player there if he can keep fit.
The same applies to Gardner. It would be a real bonus if he had some luck with injuries for a whole season so we can see what he's about.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on May 31, 2013, 02:13:21 AM

I dont think Albrighton will cut it at this level.
His heart and enthusiasm is there, but sadly the ability is lacking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 31, 2013, 02:17:00 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on May 31, 2013, 02:13:21 AM

I dont think Albrighton will cut it at this level.
His heart and enthusiasm is there, but sadly the ability is lacking.

Agreed. I actually prefer the Fonz be given another chance instead of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:45:27 AM

Was told last night that yesterday Aaron Cresswell was seen on a train to Birmingham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: MonsXI on May 30, 2013, 09:52:55 PM

Alex O'Henley ‏@OHenleyAlex 5m
My sources in Poland tell me that Aleksandar Tonev is close to joining Aston Villa and will fly to Birmingham tomorrow for a medical

sorry if already posted just got emailed from a celtic fan

Not Dimitri by any chance?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:20:52 AM

Quote from: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:45:27 AM

Was told last night that yesterday Aaron Cresswell was seen on a train to Birmingham.

Oh God, it's summer again! Do footballers even get trains?!

Having said that, I think Cresswell and Luke Murphy are two of the more predictable signings of the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2013, 07:26:27 AM

I hope they both do come Matt. Both seem to have had good seasons, and are highly rated by their own fans judging by their forums. Right fit for us at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:41:05 AM

I'm also not sure why so many people think N'Zogbia will go. He was  playing pretty regularly still, and contributing vital goals and assists. There's plenty of players further behind in the pecking order. And Lambert talked about how well he'd been playing.

I think Lambert would ideally like to play the 4231 and thinks N'Zogbia can be a menace in that role. But it just leaves our full backs and centre midfielders so much more exposed compared to the 433.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on May 31, 2013, 07:53:14 AM

I hope he goes. The Fulham game summed him up for me. Wrong decision making giving the ball away. Lambert went with Scilla after that and rightly so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:57:36 AM

The Fulham game when he scored? He also made vital contributions against West Ham, QPR, West Brom, etc. I'm not saying I'd have paid £10m in hindsight. But until a better option comes along I'd keep him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on May 31, 2013, 08:02:59 AM

Yes the one where he scored. There was a lot of debate at the time about his contribution and why he was taken off by his manager. He didn't start again did he? Oh he did when he was taken off at half time against Utd.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2013, 08:25:30 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 31, 2013, 01:33:52 AM

I do wonder if Albrighton would be better off re-inventing himself as a full back.

Interesting comment Steve I hadnt thought of that. Wasnt Gidman a winger at Liverpool before converting to full back?..What I dont understand re Albrighton is how he lost the albility to cross the ball accurately when he was doing  exactly that when he made the breakthrough into the first team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2013, 08:26:15 AM

Albrighton gives away far too many stupid free-kicks. I cannot see him making it as a full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2013, 08:31:11 AM

Duff idea, Albrighton as right back. 

His best form for the club was with a solid right back behind him, as he was always suspect and lightweight when it came to defensive aspect of the game.  Can't see that at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2013, 08:53:43 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:41:05 AM

I'm also not sure why so many people think N'Zogbia will go. He was  playing pretty regularly still, and contributing vital goals and assists. There's plenty of players further behind in the pecking order. And Lambert talked about how well he'd been playing.

I think Lambert would ideally like to play the 4231 and thinks N'Zogbia can be a menace in that role. But it just leaves our full backs and centre midfielders so much more exposed compared to the 433.

I've been a regular criitc of Charles for his poor decision-making and flaky attitude. I didn't think he was the right player to bring in when TSM signed him (a lifetime ambition, it seems) and still don't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on May 31, 2013, 09:11:42 AM

Quote from: Mister E on May 31, 2013, 08:53:43 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:41:05 AM

I'm also not sure why so many people think N'Zogbia will go. He was  playing pretty regularly still, and contributing vital goals and assists. There's plenty of players further behind in the pecking order. And Lambert talked about how well he'd been playing.

I think Lambert would ideally like to play the 4231 and thinks N'Zogbia can be a menace in that role. But it just leaves our full backs and centre midfielders so much more exposed compared to the 433.

I've been a regular criitc of Charles for his poor decision-making and flaky attitude. I didn't think he was the right player to bring in when TSM signed him (a lifetime ambition, it seems) and still don't.

Don't get me going. His name makes me age 20 yrs and turn into a moaning old git. Glad it is on the transfer thread, maybe soon I will lose this worrying ailment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2013, 09:38:22 AM

I don't think N'Zogbia would be missed too much if we got a decent offer for him. He's not contributed nowhere near as much as he should have given a player of his talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2013, 09:46:20 AM

I agree. 

But in the same way that Ireland hasn't been completely dreadful the whole time he's been with us (he hasn't)  he hasn't done enough to justify the fee and substantial wages paid. Lambert would probably be looking at 3/4 players for the money N'Zog currently earns.

  I fully accept that N'Zog has delivered on more occasions that Ireland too, before anyone goes that route. 

If we get an offer anywhere close to say £5/6 million and don't have to subsidise his wages, I'd be quite happy to see him depart. 

Bruce wanted him at Sunderland before, so might try again.  Martinez seems to rate him, so something could happen if he ends up at Everton.  They would seem the most likely.  I don't see any other clubs with means wanting to help us out, in all honesty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2013, 09:59:12 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:20:52 AM

Quote from: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:45:27 AM

Was told last night that yesterday Aaron Cresswell was seen on a train to Birmingham.

Oh God, it's summer again! Do footballers even get trains?!

Having said that, I think Cresswell and Luke Murphy are two of the more predictable signings of the summer.

I thought that, too.
But, you never know

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 31, 2013, 10:04:57 AM

Quote from: nigel on May 31, 2013, 09:59:12 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:20:52 AM

Quote from: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:45:27 AM

Was told last night that yesterday Aaron Cresswell was seen on a train to Birmingham.

Oh God, it's summer again! Do footballers even get trains?!

Having said that, I think Cresswell and Luke Murphy are two of the more predictable signings of the summer.

I thought that, too.
But, you never know

They certainly do, if it's easier than a lengthy drive. The Man City and Wigan squads were both pictured taking the train to London for the FA Cup final. I also shared a train with Potato Head Bruce from Bham Int'l to Euston on a weekday morning during pre season, 3 or 4 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2013, 10:13:05 AM

I can understand getting the train from Ipswich in particular, it's not quite as bad as Norwich but it's still a shitty place to travel to/from by car.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on May 31, 2013, 10:53:33 AM

No doubt about it, that Nzogbia has been a disappointment. I won't shed any tears if he goes.

Having said that, he clearly is a talented player and as average as he has been, he has still chipped in with some crucial goal and assists. I think he is worth persevering with for another season, especially after paying what we did for him. I also have a horrible feeling that he will go elsewhere, score 10+ goals, numerous assists and put in 2 man of the match displays against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2013, 11:09:11 AM

Footballers are the only fuckers who can afford to get trains.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 31, 2013, 11:11:24 AM

N'Zogbia just isn't a Lambert player really. Never guarenteed to give his all every game. I wouldn't be too upset if he stayed as he has something to offer but I would rather he was sold TBH.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2013, 11:31:04 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2013, 07:41:05 AM

I'm also not sure why so many people think N'Zogbia will go. He was  playing pretty regularly still, and contributing vital goals and assists. There's plenty of players further behind in the pecking order. And Lambert talked about how well he'd been playing.

I think Lambert would ideally like to play the 4231 and thinks N'Zogbia can be a menace in that role. But it just leaves our full backs and centre midfielders so much more exposed compared to the 433.

Agree with this bit. Whoever is eventually settled upon to play that position, their contribution when we're off the ball needs to be as telling as that on it. I'm not necessarily saying box-to-box, but at least back to the halfway line, stopping defenders carrying the ball out, eliminating the easy short ball into midfield, denying the opposition's deep midfielders time on the ball, that sort of donkey-work. And do it for ninety minutes.
We're a long way away from being a team capable of carrying a "number 10" that doesn't do this.
Imo, fwiw, with the global proliferation and uptake of mobile high-energy multi-functional midfields perhaps sounding the death knell for 442, such players' days are numbered.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2013, 11:31:09 AM

I think N'Zog is best as a big fish in a small pond, where the side is built around him, as it was at Wigan.  He struggles to adapt his game to fit in with better players around him.  Undoubtedly talented, but will only ever be a super-sub/cameo player at a club like ours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on May 31, 2013, 11:39:18 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2013, 08:25:30 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 31, 2013, 01:33:52 AM

I do wonder if Albrighton would be better off re-inventing himself as a full back.

Interesting comment Steve I hadnt thought of that. Wasnt Gidman a winger at Liverpool before converting to full back?..What I dont understand re Albrighton is how he lost the albility to cross the ball accurately when he was doing  exactly that when he made the breakthrough into the first team.

I think Gidman was, yes. Kenny Swain arrived as a winger too. Looked a complete liability when Saunders first used him at right back. It worked out pretty well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2013, 11:50:18 AM

I can see N'Zogbia leaving if someone comes in for him. £60,000 a week for someone who only played the odd few minutes here and there in the run-in.

If we keep Albrighton, I think there's more chance of him moving into the middle as the one-off the striker in the 4-2-3-1 formation than playing at right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 31, 2013, 11:52:14 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 31, 2013, 11:39:18 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2013, 08:25:30 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on May 31, 2013, 01:33:52 AM

I do wonder if Albrighton would be better off re-inventing himself as a full back.

Interesting comment Steve I hadnt thought of that. Wasnt Gidman a winger at Liverpool before converting to full back?..What I dont understand re Albrighton is how he lost the albility to cross the ball accurately when he was doing  exactly that when he made the breakthrough into the first team.

I think Gidman was, yes. Kenny Swain arrived as a winger too. Looked a complete liability when Saunders first used him at right back. It worked out pretty well.

I'm fairly certain Colin Gibson started out as a winger, too. Can't recall if he ever played for the first team as one, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on May 31, 2013, 11:59:33 AM

In fairness, for all the weaknesses Albrighton has going forward, they are nothing when compared to his defensive deficiencies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on May 31, 2013, 12:02:35 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 31, 2013, 11:59:33 AM

In fairness, for all the weaknesses Albrighton has going forward, they are nothing when compared to his defensive deficiencies.

I don't mind Albrighton. I think he deserves another crack at it here. At least he attempts to put a cross into the box, unlike N'Zogbia who attempts to run into two players and succeeds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2013, 12:03:51 PM

Nothing wrong with Albrighton for me. Good young player and in a position we're completely understaffed in

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2013, 12:05:55 PM

He needs to stay fit and get back to (and stay or improve on) the sort of form he showed when he fast came into the team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PGW on May 31, 2013, 12:09:57 PM

Quote from: nigel on May 31, 2013, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: MonsXI on May 30, 2013, 09:52:55 PM

Alex O'Henley ‏@OHenleyAlex 5m
My sources in Poland tell me that Aleksandar Tonev is close to joining Aston Villa and will fly to Birmingham tomorrow for a medical

sorry if already posted just got emailed from a celtic fan

Not Dimitri by any chance?

Has this plane landed yet??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2013, 12:29:54 PM

Alby deserves another crack. Was unlucky this year with injuries. I think as we got better from Jan onwards, he may have thrived. I think he lacks confidence in the last year of so. McLeish drained a lot out of the boy. I think Alby could have the ability to fill in if Gab or Wiemann are injured. He could potentially do well and score a few. He chipped in with a few the other year. Working particularly well with Downing. His movement drifting into the far post was good.
I'm not sure whether he'll make it, or whether he's destined for a drop down, but he deserves the chance to prove himself in pre-season and going into next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 31, 2013, 12:32:38 PM

I love Albrightons pace and effort.  But his marking/tackling is appalling, and THE KEY element of a winger is ultimately his final ball, and he is way off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2013, 12:33:00 PM

Quote from: Pat McMahon on May 30, 2013, 10:46:37 PM

Hi aftab, how was Shanghai?

Fantastic Paul. PM on the way as I don't want to bore the rest on here!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2013, 12:36:49 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on May 31, 2013, 12:32:38 PM

I love Albrightons pace and effort.  But his marking/tackling is appalling, and THE KEY element of a winger is ultimately his final ball, and he is way off

The annoying thing, in that first half season under GH, his crossing was excellent. It just seemed to go to shit last year. It may be a confidence thing. If he can get back to the level when he broke through he'd be useful. A big if though. At his age, it's his last shot I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2013, 12:37:30 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on May 31, 2013, 12:32:38 PM

I love Albrightons pace and effort.  But his marking/tackling is appalling, and THE KEY element of a winger is ultimately his final ball, and he is way off

He has the ability to deliver quality into the box.  We saw a lot of it in the GH season.  Even under TSM he very rarely went a game without putting in 1-2 fantastic crosses.  Hard to judge him on this season as he's barely been fit to play but with a target like Benteke if we get him confident he can be a useful option.  He's definitely a winger though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on May 31, 2013, 01:06:08 PM

Was anyone at the Hereford game last season? I thought Albrighton showed that game why he just isn't good enough. Had free reign of the right flank in the first half and either played the wrong ball, or delivered a poor ball every single time. Wasn't impressed with him either earlier this season when he provided no threat whatsoever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM

Alby is a nice lad who had a good half season...sorry but he is not up to it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 31, 2013, 01:16:11 PM

If we get rid of Albrighton, my sister will be devastated, and will probably never go to Villa Park again. So that's reason enough to keep him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2013, 01:16:25 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM

Alby is a nice lad who had a good half season...sorry but he is not up to it

Increasingly my opinion of him, too.

I think it was hard for him, as it was with all the attacking players, under TSM.  And then he's had Lambert, who seems to shy away from his traditional form of wing play.  I can see him being a bit like Whittingham and having a great career in the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2013, 01:28:25 PM

I would vote for giving Albrighton another go.

Last October hardly anybody on here thought Delph would make a go of it as he has.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2013, 01:29:29 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 31, 2013, 01:16:25 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM

Alby is a nice lad who had a good half season...sorry but he is not up to it

Increasingly my opinion of him, too.

I think it was hard for him, as it was with all the attacking players, under TSM.  And then he's had Lambert, who seems to shy away from his traditional form of wing play.  I can see him being a bit like Whittingham and having a great career in the Championship.

Yep think he'd do well at somewhere like Derby or Wolves (oops no longer even good enough for the Chumpionship)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on May 31, 2013, 01:44:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on May 31, 2013, 01:16:25 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM

Alby is a nice lad who had a good half season...sorry but he is not up to it

Increasingly my opinion of him, too.

I think it was hard for him, as it was with all the attacking players, under TSM.  And then he's had Lambert, who seems to shy away from his traditional form of wing play.  I can see him being a bit like Whittingham and having a great career in the Championship.

In fairness he hasn't been available for a lot of Lambert's time so far. I'm far from convinced that he's up to it, but I think he should be kept on for another (injury-free) year to see what he can do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2013, 01:50:47 PM

Alby, even in the Houllier season made some silly mistakes. I remember him giving away stupid frees. Fulham away springs to mind, a needless challenge resulting in a late goal that denied us three points.

I'd still like to see him get another go though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2013, 02:01:35 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on May 31, 2013, 01:50:47 PM

Alby, even in the Houllier season made some silly mistakes. I remember him giving away stupid frees. Fulham away springs to mind, a needless challenge resulting in a late goal that denied us three points.

I'd still like to see him get another go though.

Almost our entire squad over the last two seasons particularly, are consistently guilty of giving away stupid free kicks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 31, 2013, 02:24:01 PM

Quote from: Montbert on May 31, 2013, 11:59:33 AM

In fairness, for all the weaknesses Albrighton has going forward, they are nothing when compared to his defensive deficiencies.

Spot on. You can't fault his effort but is a liability near our penalty area.A more advanced role might help but I don't think he's good enough.Deserves a chance to prove us doubters wrong,however the longer he remains an unconvincing reserve,the more his value will fall.
A decision in Sept or,at the latest,January as no doubt some manager will be impressed by his early form under McDonald and Houllier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 02:37:06 PM

It doesn't really help when a player as young as Albrighton has essentially had 5 managers in his career, and on top of that had a serious injury. To cast him aside now would be unfair as he hasn't had a proper chance under this manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2013, 03:12:54 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 02:37:06 PM

It doesn't really help when a player as young as Albrighton has essentially had 5 managers in his career, and on top of that had a serious injury. To cast him aside now would be unfair as he hasn't had a proper chance under this manager.

He's twenty three but he has some talent and a good work ethic. A three month loan out to Wolves or  a Championship club would be beneficial for the player and Aston Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2013, 04:16:46 PM

I don't see the benefit to us of sending him out on loan, other than it increasing the potential fee if he does well.  The only way he'll make an impact here under Lambert is if he changes position, which as others have pointed out is doubtful he could do that successfully.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on May 31, 2013, 04:30:41 PM

maybe he could apply to be groundsman?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on May 31, 2013, 04:41:09 PM

Anyone actually know for certain if Dan Crowley has or is joining Arsenal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 31, 2013, 04:48:48 PM

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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on May 31, 2013, 04:51:53 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2013, 03:12:54 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 02:37:06 PM

It doesn't really help when a player as young as Albrighton has essentially had 5 managers in his career, and on top of that had a serious injury. To cast him aside now would be unfair as he hasn't had a proper chance under this manager.

He's twenty three but he has some talent and a good work ethic. A three month loan out to Wolves or  a Championship club would be beneficial for the player and Aston Villa

Just have a look on Youtube at some of Albrighton's work from the Houllier season: he was one of the most exciting young talents in the Premier League.  There's no way I'd let him go, especially after an injury plagued year or so.  Let's get him up and running again and see what happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on May 31, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Maybe the answer is to loan him out for a few months to the right club that will use him the right way?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on May 31, 2013, 05:30:46 PM

We need to get better at using the loan system to our advantage something - loathed as I am to admit it - Spurs have done very well in recent years.

If Albrighton goes and has a loan spell and does well he comes back full of confidence and ready to contribute to our side or his value is greater than it is now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on May 31, 2013, 05:33:11 PM

Nothing to lose loaning him out to see if he can find some form i guess , but I wouldn't be too worried if lambert got rid of him either- the last 2 years when fit he has looked poor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 31, 2013, 05:56:58 PM

Does anyone remember that Liverpool fan that used to come on here and defend the fees paid for Henderson and Carroll?

I recall he used Albrighton as an example of why you need to pay over the odds for potential, stating that any club would have to bid £10m+ to get him. At the time there was uproar from us lot.

On that basis alone I think we have to give him another chance to see whether he can get back to being that sort of player. A half season loan is not a bad shout as I doubt he'll get the time on the pitch with us to get his confidence back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2013, 06:21:03 PM

Quote from: Clampy on May 31, 2013, 09:38:22 AM

I don't think N'Zogbia would be missed too much if we got a decent offer for him. He's not contributed nowhere near as much as he should have given a player of his talent.

Like Given he signed a 5 year deal when he signed so with 3 years left I can't really see clubs coming in for him especially as we'd want back most of what we paid.

I think he's worth keeping for another year as he had some good games in the second half of the season. Of course he'll infuriate (and that's just a 5 minute cameo in one game) but if he can have 15 productive games next year and 15 inconsistent/poor ones he'll still help us get some points on the board like West Ham and Fuham.

Another point is CNZ and Benteke get on well so I wouldn't be wanting to upset Benteke by getting rid of his mate....until that contract is signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2013, 06:25:39 PM

Just had a thought. Isn't it nice to be going into a transfer window settled, with a manager the fans are behind and with an exciting crop of youngsters to hopefully be reinforced with more. It certainly makes a change of the past few summers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on May 31, 2013, 06:32:59 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on May 31, 2013, 06:25:39 PM

Just had a thought. Isn't it nice to be going into a transfer window settled, with a manager the fans are behind and with an exciting crop of youngsters to hopefully be reinforced with more. It certainly makes a change of the past few summers.

It certainly is.
It is also comforting knowing that we have a manager not prepared to spunk stupid money on average players and then signing them to astronomical wages to see out for five years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2013, 06:33:54 PM

The problem with Albrighton is that when he first came into the team he had a) surprise element with other teams not having a clue who he was and b) significantly Downing and Young were also playing so teams would mark them closely giving Marc extra space.

Once both went teams would double up on him and really he didn't have a lot if he couldn't get in an early cross plus an attacking player in a TSM isn't a pretty sight.

Does seem Lambert rates him, he missed the early weeks last season through injury, played at Man. City in the cup, then was in the side for our next 4 premier league games and he was in and out thereafter.

I just think a siging like Tonev would push him down the pecking order. I do think there is a good player in there with some coaching to improve his weaknesses as even in the TSM he had a good run of form over the xmas period.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2013, 06:40:21 PM

I see no issue keeping N'Zogbia. He seemed to accept his shared role quite well, he contributed and as importantly looked a threat in games. He offers something different when playing or off the bench. Unless someone comes in with a decent offer I can't see us selling him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2013, 06:43:02 PM

I would keep N'Zogbia. I think he is a decent impact sub at least. I know you can't keep a cast of thousands on big wages, but we should aim for a strong matchday eighteen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2013, 07:14:22 PM

Nzogbia needs to get his fitness up. I know its tough being used as a sub for so long but he looks like he is completely out of gas after 50 minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2013, 07:23:01 PM

Incredible that about half the squad have question marks over their head regarding their futures (at least to us anyway). Maybe Lambert will only apply some nip and tuck over the summer. I feel it needs a bit more, maybe up to half a dozen both in and out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on May 31, 2013, 07:24:22 PM

I'm against sending Albrighton on loan.If he looks sharp in training then he will get match time for us.If he doesn't look good,move him on,making the right noises,'a good player who can't get into our team but will do a good job elsewhere'
Sending him on loan means that he won't have the opportunity to play for us,says to other clubs that we have grave doubts about him making the grade and there is the possibility with his lack of confidence that he fails in his loan spell,thus devaluing him from being a good Championship player into a Div 1 player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 31, 2013, 08:35:43 PM

Its not harsh but true, its a load of shit. That boy can cross as well as anyone. He seems to be the personification of a confidence player though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2013, 08:38:31 PM

Love how he took the Prem's 20,000th goal against Arsenal 18 months ago. Had a decent spell for a while under McLeish, it wasn't just the MacDonald/GHou era when he shone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on May 31, 2013, 09:03:05 PM

Can we have an Outgoing Bollocks etc thread for this talk?

All relevant stuff for transfers, but although its easy to scroll past, I'm getting lazier by the day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on May 31, 2013, 09:08:53 PM

Under McLeish, Albrighton seemed to subscribe to the Downing school of having to cut back inside once he got level with the area. Once your winger is petrified of running a full-back, that's when he ceases to be useful.

That said, I think Albrighton can get back to what he was, but I struggle to see how he's going to do it. Lambert has hit on the front three he wants and unless any in that combination leave, Albrighton won't get a sniff. He's not going to take the place of anybody in midfield, and Lambert really hasn't worked out an alternative for when we're trying to close a game out, but Albrighton won't be a cornerstone of that either, judging by his defensive shortcomings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2013, 09:57:33 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on May 31, 2013, 06:43:02 PM

I would keep N'Zogbia. I think he is a decent impact sub at least. I know you can't keep a cast of thousands on big wages, but we should aim for a strong matchday eighteen.

N'Zogbia should be kept. I watched him destroy West Brom in the first half at their place. If only we could make him do that regularly.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2013, 10:01:58 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2013, 09:57:33 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on May 31, 2013, 06:43:02 PM

I would keep N'Zogbia. I think he is a decent impact sub at least. I know you can't keep a cast of thousands on big wages, but we should aim for a strong matchday eighteen.

N'Zogbia should be kept. I watched him destroy West Brom in the first half at their place. If only we could make him do that regularly.....

Depends on who comes in really.  If we buy a wide player who can also play in a more central role, then I can't see any need for N'Zogbia.  Being as he is one of the fringe players who will actually command a decent fee might also decide his future at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on May 31, 2013, 10:20:56 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2013, 10:01:58 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2013, 09:57:33 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on May 31, 2013, 06:43:02 PM

I would keep N'Zogbia. I think he is a decent impact sub at least. I know you can't keep a cast of thousands on big wages, but we should aim for a strong matchday eighteen.

N'Zogbia should be kept. I watched him destroy West Brom in the first half at their place. If only we could make him do that regularly.....

Depends on who comes in really.  If we buy a wide player who can also play in a more central role, then I can't see any need for N'Zogbia.  Being as he is one of the fringe players who will actually command a decent fee might also decide his future at the club.

I think that's the key really, if someone offers decent money I don't think we'll turn it down.

Not in a "we need the money" way, more "we could probably better spend it elsewhere".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on May 31, 2013, 11:08:17 PM

Maybe Albrighton never recovered from being dropped in favour of Hutton to counteract Bale. That would finish any player - Im not as good as Hutton in wide midfield.

To be fair I like his enthusiasm but his football 'brain' or lack makes Tony Daly look like Roberto Donadoni at times in terms of decision making.

Send him out on load for 6 months and see if he can cut it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 01, 2013, 12:37:08 AM

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4950471/Lambo-to-nick-Hoops-target.html

How true that is we don't know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on June 01, 2013, 01:10:02 AM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

That's strange, as (at least at the time he broke through) the one thing he really had was this uncanny knack of getting the crosses in. He wasn't especially good at beating his opponents in a normal sense, but he still managed to get the lots of good balls into the goal area, sometimes from seemingly difficult positions. At least that's how I remember him, but my memory might be wrong of course. Anyway, to succeed in the PL you must cope with things like being found out, losing your place and injuries.

Also seems quite clear to me as well that he's a distinctive confidence player. Hopefully he can fight back with the support of Lambie, I really root for this guy.

Anywaaay, transfers! £ 2,6 mill is lower than first reported. Wouldn't mind if this Tones fella turns out to be our Michu in terms of value for money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 01, 2013, 01:16:17 AM

Quote from: Small Rodent on May 31, 2013, 09:03:05 PM

Can we have an Outgoing Bollocks etc thread for this talk?

All relevant stuff for transfers, but although its easy to scroll past, I'm getting lazier by the day.

Yeah, I'm replying to my own post but if I started harping on about Benteke or Weimann, it would be moved immediately to another thread. Have some consistency please!

I always thought this was for incoming transfers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 04:00:10 AM

Apparently we have agreed a fee of around £2.5m for Tonev

Cue obligatory YouTube clip

Tonev goal (http://youtu.be/e_mIjnTsi3E)
more Tonev (http://youtu.be/NUv6Tho6dd4)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 01, 2013, 06:57:02 AM

From the Scottish Sun....

"LECH POZNAN last night accepted a £2.6million bid from Aston Villa for Celtic target Aleksandar Tonev.

Now Villa boss Paul Lambert — a former Hoops skipper — is confident he can wrap up the signing of the highly-rated star this weekend.
SunSport revealed last month that Celts had targeted the Bulgarian winger, 23.
But Lambo has now nipped ahead of old team-mate Neil Lennon and a string of top continental clubs.
After positive talks with Lambert yesterday, all that remains is for Villa to agree personal terms with Tonev who, sources say, is desperate to play in the English Premier League. From Back Page signing of the highly-rated star this weekend.
SunSport revealed last month that Celts had targeted the Bulgarian winger, 23.
But Lambo has now nipped ahead of old team-mate Neil Lennon and a string of top continental clubs.
After positive talks with Lambert yesterday, all that remains is for Villa to agree personal terms with Tonev who, sources say, is desperate to play in the English Premier League."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2013, 08:23:41 AM

Looks like he might be the first one in then!

Was reading the Meaning Evil last night and Kendrick did a piece on him, where he said he can play either side or behind the striker.  That sounds very Holman-like to me, so perhaps Lambert sees him as a replacement/improvement for Brett?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2013, 08:23:58 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 04:00:10 AM

Apparently we have agreed a fee of around £2.5m for Tonev

Cue obligatory YouTube clip

Tonev goal (http://youtu.be/e_mIjnTsi3E)
more Tonev (http://youtu.be/NUv6Tho6dd4)

Wow, well he can certainly play off both feet.
So, this prospective signing seeks to cover the Weimann / Gabby role, I guess; assuming we continue with the 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 approach that we saw at the end of the season.

It's pretty positive: does Posnan have any decent CB for sale?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2013, 08:27:14 AM

We certainly need to improve the size and quality of the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2013, 09:16:25 AM

Don't know anything about him, but according to Wikipedia his record is a goal every 4.7 games.  As a comparison, that's more or less the same as Paul Scholes' career average. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2013, 09:38:34 AM

Two YT clips posted up. A screamer from 25 yards with his right and a screamer from 30 odd yards with his left.

Looks okay to me. Seems to have quick feet. Likes to pull the trigger. Probably a more technically gifted version of Holman so it seems a decent signing to me. Even if only as someone who'll initially wait his turn on the bench until Andy or Gabby are injured or need resting.

If we can get him in and Austin before mid June. We'd be just about there attack wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 01, 2013, 10:15:51 AM

I'd still like to get a playmaker as an option. Not a top name that demands to play but another rough diamond with potential. If he was after Coutinho then maybe a player like that is on his mind this summer too.
I definitely think there is room for a 'magician' in the squad. Then, if someone like Austin comes in and Tonev, we'd be pretty much there in attack.

Of course, we could always go and get David Villa too. The more the merrier.
The name printing would pay for his fee alone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2013, 10:19:41 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 01, 2013, 09:38:34 AM

If we can get him in and Austin before mid June. We'd be just about there attack wise.

Gabby, Benteke & Weimann.  N'Zogbia, Austin & Tonev in reserve.  Bowery out on loan. 

That wouldn't be bad attacking options!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

He sounds likely to regularly go missing during games. God help us if he caught a cold.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on June 01, 2013, 10:26:28 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

He sounds likely to regularly go missing during games. God help us if he caught a cold.

Scored against us when playing for Litex in 2008
Would fit our "played well against us so let's sign him" policy of a few years ago (see also Benni McCarthy)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 01, 2013, 10:31:08 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 01, 2013, 08:23:41 AM

Looks like he might be the first one in then!

Was reading the Meaning Evil last night and Kendrick did a piece on him, where he said he can play either side or behind the striker.  That sounds very Holman-like to me, so perhaps Lambert sees him as a replacement/improvement for Brett?

agree to extent that he could well replace holman however i also feel he could be coming in for Nzogbia role. It is more than awesome we are buying a player who will offer width but can also play as an attacking midfielder. I think Lambert not starting  nzogbia in those final remaining matches says to me he and holman both could be offer if offers are right. Albrighton to be kept on - young, developing and local player has atributes to really benefit our up and coming team. Nzogbia and Holman may even be better at this time than albrighton but marc is a villa boy and i like Lambert fell we should stick with him ahead of the other two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM

He has signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 01, 2013, 10:26:28 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

He sounds likely to regularly go missing during games. God help us if he caught a cold.

Scored against us when playing for Litex in 2008
Would fit our "played well against us so let's sign him" policy of a few years ago (see also Benni McCarthy)

It might seem like it but we didn't actually sign McCarthy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM

He has signed.

Who has signed?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 01, 2013, 10:49:18 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM

He has signed.

Who has signed?

Carlton Palmer. About bloody time too...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 01, 2013, 10:54:04 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

I saw this today as well, but it sounds like too much of a coincidence doesn't it? It looks as though its a re-reported rumour from the Russian media, where he is linked with a move away from Kuban, having helped them qualify for the Europa League. I saw Popov and Stanislav Manolev (on loan at Fulham) out in three different restaurants/ clubs over three consecutive nights at New Year - it was as if they were following me around! They are both Lovech youth products, and their group (including some other Bulgarian national team players) were disappointingly discrete and well behaved - not what I was expecting from professional footballers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2013, 10:54:14 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 04:00:10 AM

Apparently we have agreed a fee of around £2.5m for Tonev

I like the tonev that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:57:01 AM

Quote from: richard moore on June 01, 2013, 10:49:18 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM

He has signed.

Who has signed?

Carlton Palmer. About bloody time too...

The Bulgarian lad. Signed ,sealed, delivered.That is straight from the horses mouth as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 01, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Where's it reported, Dan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:59:03 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on June 01, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Where's it reported, Dan?

Bodymoor Heath mate. ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2013, 11:00:39 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:59:03 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on June 01, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Where's it reported, Dan?

Bodymoor Heath mate. ITK.

Until it's reported in the Daily Star I won't believe a word of it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:01:52 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 01, 2013, 11:00:39 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 10:59:03 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on June 01, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Where's it reported, Dan?

Bodymoor Heath mate. ITK.

Until it's reported in the Daily Star I won't believe a word of it!

Nice. Seriously now, it's a done deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2013, 11:13:33 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Nothing is 100% true fact...not even time!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 01, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

Or when Villa announce it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 01, 2013, 11:20:32 AM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 01, 2013, 10:26:28 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

He sounds likely to regularly go missing during games. God help us if he caught a cold.

Scored against us when playing for Litex in 2008
Would fit our "played well against us so let's sign him" policy of a few years ago (see also Benni McCarthy)

Not just a few years ago......I can remember this going as far back as 1965 when we signed Mike Ferguson from Blackburn Rovers after scoring a great individual goal against us

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:22:04 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 01, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

Or when Villa announce it.

Would be sensible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 01, 2013, 11:27:42 AM

I'm not going to believe anything that is only 100% true.  That's like some truth shadow.  Give me a shout whent he is 119.6% definetely in and I might raise a smile. 
I thought Kendrick Twatted that we weren't interested in him??  The fount is playing mind games....I like it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 01, 2013, 11:27:55 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

I'm confused Dave.  We all know ending with 'FACT' means it's not, does that then imply it doesn't need to be confirmed 100% to get his own thread?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 01, 2013, 11:31:57 AM

He looks like a cracking little player. He obviously has technical ability. To be honest, he might even be an improvement on Andi?

No harm to keep him on his toes, this guy will definitely do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2013, 11:40:39 AM

Both his goals on those youtube clips were very similar - the ol' "run away from the defenders in a straight line across the box" trick that's common in dodgy players and then a peach of a strike into the top corner which isn't.
We'll see I guess but I'd rather his compatriot tsvet came back to H&V instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2013, 12:21:17 PM

Looks decent. Direct, decent turn of pace, not blistering. Good balance. Looks adept playing either wing or floating through the middle. Good movement. I especially like the fact he's not afraid, and more than able to hit it from distance on his left and right foot.
Granted this could be Youtube syndrome, but In Lambo (and Stan) I trust. Looks potentially an exciting player though. Not a bad punt at 2.6 mill. He'll give his all too and want to prove himself in this league. Young, hungry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2013, 12:27:50 PM

Whether we get Popov too I don't know. He seems similar to Tonev. But perhaps the pair of them vying with Gab and Wiemann, would give us strong competition. But could we really keep 3 (4 if Gab gets back in) internationals happy over the season?
Perhaps Popov is the fall back in case the Tonev deal falls through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

I thought is crossing was awesome in the early days . I just dont know what happened .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 01, 2013, 01:30:22 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 01, 2013, 11:20:32 AM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 01, 2013, 10:26:28 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 01, 2013, 09:02:01 AM

Apparently we maybe in for ivelin popov as well.

Sounds like a character out of rent a ghost.

Goal scoring midfielder.

He sounds likely to regularly go missing during games. God help us if he caught a cold.

Scored against us when playing for Litex in 2008
Would fit our "played well against us so let's sign him" policy of a few years ago (see also Benni McCarthy)

Not just a few years ago......I can remember this going as far back as 1965 when we signed Mike Ferguson from Blackburn Rovers after scoring a great individual goal against us

Ah yes I remember it well. Beat five players at Villa Park with pure skill. A fans type of player was Mike Ferguson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: exigo on June 01, 2013, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

I thought is crossing was awesome in the early days . I just dont know what happened .

In his first season, he'd always take one touch to trap it in front of him and then whip it in. Now he fannies about thinking he can beat defenders, which he can't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:12:38 PM

Quote from: exigo on June 01, 2013, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

I thought is crossing was awesome in the early days . I just dont know what happened .

In his first season, he'd always take one touch to trap it in front of him and then whip it in. Now he fannies about thinking he can beat defenders, which he can't.

I agree with that, which is why the right back idea does not sound that crazy to me.  Without doubt he'd need to improve his defending and positioning (massively) but the positions he used to cross brilliantly from are increasingly the positions that right backs find themselves these days rather than wingers (who have roamed inside).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 01, 2013, 02:13:38 PM

I'd keep him because he's shown in the past he can be a decent player. He's been out for a while but with Villa being his home town club, he'll hopefully be busting a gut to get himself back to what he's capable of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on June 01, 2013, 02:30:39 PM

Looks a good player by what I've seen of him get him signed up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:34:32 PM

Quote from: darren woolley on June 01, 2013, 02:30:39 PM

Looks a good player by what I've seen of him get him signed up.

He has signed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Straight from Bodymoor Heath at 7.30 this morning mate. Definately our player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:48:03 PM

Nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 02:49:40 PM

Listen if dan says so it's true. He's not one to get carried away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2013, 02:51:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Straight from Bodymoor Heath at 7.30 this morning mate. Definately our player.

I'll only believe it if you have Youtube evidence to back up your claims.  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Well good stuff Dan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2013, 02:51:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Straight from Bodymoor Heath at 7.30 this morning mate. Definately our player.

I'll only believe it if you have Youtube evidence to back up your claims.  ;D

Trust you to come out with that one. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:57:53 PM

Going out for beer and food. I will keep you informed if i hear anymore news, and this is not bullshit at all. If i hear anything i will let all of you know. UTV.
Onwards and upwards we go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:06:09 PM

He'll be a better option than Holman if for no other reason he can play five minutes without looking completely knackered

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2013, 03:07:02 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

Supposedly Spurzzz, Jawdees, Racists, Arsenal and Ci£y have looked at him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:07:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 01, 2013, 02:51:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Straight from Bodymoor Heath at 7.30 this morning mate. Definately our player.

I'll only believe it if you have Youtube evidence to back up your claims.  ;D

I only believe transfers at Villa if the shirt is being stretched to breaking point

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:08:26 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

we don't do £10m for players from the lower leagues. We make them into £10m players

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2013, 03:21:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:08:26 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

we don't do £10m for players from the lower leagues. We make them into £10m players

He might be one to make an exception for, in the limited amount I've seen of him I think he's going to be special.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 03:22:17 PM

He is going to be, he's a massive talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2013, 03:31:47 PM

Clarification please from those who know. Can players actually sign before July 1? Or they can sign but can not be registered before July 1?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 01, 2013, 03:34:09 PM

If we are signing him, can we please not call him 'Tone' as that is what the Stoke fans nicknamed Tony Pulis.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 01, 2013, 03:40:53 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 01, 2013, 03:31:47 PM

Clarification please from those who know. Can players actually sign before July 1? Or they can sign but can not be registered before July 1?

You can sign players in principal but their registrations officially transfer from 1st of July.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 01, 2013, 03:43:41 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 01, 2013, 03:34:09 PM

If we are signing him, can we please not call him 'Tone' as that is what the Stoke fans nicknamed Tony Pulis.

"Nev"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 04:09:58 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2013, 02:45:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 02:37:08 PM

How come it isn't confirmed Dan? not having a go at all, but if he's signed I'm surprised it hasn't been announced.

It will be either later today or tomorrow mate. Seriously, he is ours.

...so you've heard something from within/close to the club/player or is this a strong hunch.

Straight from Bodymoor Heath at 7.30 this morning mate. Definately our player.

7.30 on a Saturday morning being a perfectly normal time to finalise a transfer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2013, 04:14:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:06:09 PM

He'll be a better option than Holman if for no other reason he can play five minutes without looking completely knackered

There's a lot of weaknesses in Holman's game, mainly his technical ability but work rate isn't something that I would question. I think Holman gets knackered not because of a lack of fitness but because he hasn't the intelligence to use it. Instead of knowing when to conserve energy he just runs around like a 6-month old puppy at the park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2013, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 01, 2013, 03:21:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:08:26 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

we don't do £10m for players from the lower leagues. We make them into £10m players

He might be one to make an exception for, in the limited amount I've seen of him I think he's going to be special.

Agree that certain players are worth making an exception for. Spuds paid a lot of money for Bale when he was a teenager, for instance. Maybe we could tempt them by buying him then loaning him back to them for this season as at 18 it still might be too early for him to be a regular Premier League starter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 01, 2013, 04:42:24 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:08:26 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

we don't do £10m for players from the lower leagues. We make them into £10m players

Haven't we been linked to Jeff Hendrick from Derby before?  Would probably cost a lot less than Will Hughes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2013, 04:58:50 PM

Does Tonev need a work permit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2013, 05:03:08 PM

Nope, Bulgaria's in the EU.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on June 01, 2013, 05:03:26 PM

Bulgaria is part of the EU so no he wouldn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2013, 05:03:48 PM

Will Hughes is supposedly the real deal ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2013, 05:16:55 PM

I would be excited to see us get Will Hughes, he would be worth the extra on a structured deal from what I have seen.

All good stuff.

Hope Tone signs ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:20:39 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 04:00:10 AM

Apparently we have agreed a fee of around £2.5m for Tonev

Cue obligatory YouTube clip

Tonev goal (http://youtu.be/e_mIjnTsi3E)
more Tonev (http://youtu.be/NUv6Tho6dd4)

blimey , hes shooting is nearly as good as Lowton's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

SSN  . Ask Eastie

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:27:05 PM

Quote from: exigo on June 01, 2013, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: Rudy65 on May 31, 2013, 08:23:11 PM

His crossing is some of the worst Ive seen by any winger at VP. Harsh but true. Would love him to succeed as a local lad but doubt he will. Worth another go for next season though

I thought is crossing was awesome in the early days . I just dont know what happened .

In his first season, he'd always take one touch to trap it in front of him and then whip it in. Now he fannies about thinking he can beat defenders, which he can't.

That is a good point .  He does exactly that , I had forgot , been such a long time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:28:34 PM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

give them Ireland , Dunne and Given then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:32:22 PM

Aleksandar Tonev (Bulgarian: Александър Тонев; born 3 February 1990 in Elin Pelin) is a Bulgarian footballer who plays as a winger for English club Aston Villa and the Bulgaria national football team.[1]



wikipedia makes me laugh

Mind I loved that other Petrov at his peak . Hope he is as good as him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:33:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

SSN  . Ask Eastie

Now now jp, let eastie watch his cricket - bears v pears :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:34:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:33:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

SSN  . Ask Eastie

Now now jp, let eastie watch his cricket - bears v pears :)

sorry Eastie . I bet there is some great pears on the SSN . Natalie what ever her name is , as a right pair of pears ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:35:43 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:34:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:33:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

SSN  . Ask Eastie

Now now jp, let eastie watch his cricket - bears v pears :)

sorry Eastie . I bet there is some great pears on the SSN . Natalie what ever her name is , as a right pair of pears ;)

Natalie sawyer, Kirsty Gallagher , charlotte jackson ,millie clode and sarah Jane mee mmmmmmmm :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:41:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:35:43 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:34:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:33:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 01, 2013, 05:23:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 01, 2013, 11:13:23 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 01, 2013, 11:04:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Well if that's the case should he have his own thread?

Not until it's 100% true. FACT.

Tomorrows papers then ? Or SSN.

SSN  . Ask Eastie

Now now jp, let eastie watch his cricket - bears v pears :)

sorry Eastie . I bet there is some great pears on the SSN . Natalie what ever her name is , as a right pair of pears ;)

Natalie sawyer, Kirsty Gallagher , millie clode and sarah Jane mee mmmmmmmm :D

all in a hot tub . Damn Im going for a lie down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Millie Clode, Olivia Godfrey and Charlotte Jackson in that order. Although if I was in a foursome with them it would have to be in reverse order as it would otherwise be all over for me as soon as Millie got her kit off. My friend's daughter currently works for Chelsea TV and hopefully will hit the big time soon. If her mother (my friend) is anything to go by she will be one to er...watch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Millie Clode, Olivia Godfrey and Charlotte Jackson in that order. Although if I was in a foursome with them it would have to be in reverse order as it would otherwise be all over for me as soon as Millie got her kit off. My friend's daughter currently works for Chelsea TV and hopefully will hit the big time soon. If her mother (my friend) is anything to go by she will be one to er...watch.

Saturday nights  they have  old biddy clare tomlinson on who looks so out of place - she must be at least 40 !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 01, 2013, 06:05:04 PM

Charlie Webster, Kirsty Gallacher, Rachel Wyse, Millie Clode... Fuck it, all of them, doing the conga in lingerie, into my room. A bucket of cold water and a box of military grade endurance drugs at hand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 01, 2013, 06:20:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 03:07:06 PM

I only believe transfers at Villa if the shirt is being stretched to breaking point

Wow, are we going to re-sign Richard Dunne ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 01, 2013, 06:30:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 01, 2013, 05:16:55 PM

I would be excited to see us get Will Hughes, he would be worth the extra on a structured deal from what I have seen.

All good stuff.

Hope Tone signs ;-)

If we can get Hughes for sensible money I'd be keen. The worry would be forking out 10 million (or close to), only for him to turn out like Giles Barnes II

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2013, 06:38:35 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 01, 2013, 06:30:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 01, 2013, 05:16:55 PM

I would be excited to see us get Will Hughes, he would be worth the extra on a structured deal from what I have seen.

All good stuff.

Hope Tone signs ;-)

If we can get Hughes for sensible money I'd be keen. The worry would be forking out 10 million (or close to), only for him to turn out like Giles Barnes II

If we go for players like that it might be heavily backloaded. He's only 17 or 18, I think so maybe 3 or 4 up front and rest in payments based on achievement of hitting certain goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2013, 06:41:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 05:35:43 PM

Natalie sawyer, Kirsty Gallagher , millie clode and sarah Jane mee mmmmmmmm :D

Sarah Jane Mee? I don't get it surely we are Villa and we have higher standards?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andyh on June 01, 2013, 07:07:16 PM

I know nothing of Will Hughes so just YouTube'd him.
For anyone else who doesn't know about him...Chesney from Corrie!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 01, 2013, 07:46:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Millie Clode, Olivia Godfrey and Charlotte Jackson in that order. Although if I was in a foursome with them it would have to be in reverse order as it would otherwise be all over for me as soon as Millie got her kit off. My friend's daughter currently works for Chelsea TV and hopefully will hit the big time soon. If her mother (my friend) is anything to go by she will be one to er...watch.

Saturday nights  they have  old biddy clare tomlinson on who looks so out of place - she must be at least 40 !

Old biddy, bollocks.

You will always need a competent journalist to counter the barbie doll airheads that pollute Sky Sports News.

In any case, Clare has that special cougar quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 07:52:00 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 01, 2013, 07:46:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Millie Clode, Olivia Godfrey and Charlotte Jackson in that order. Although if I was in a foursome with them it would have to be in reverse order as it would otherwise be all over for me as soon as Millie got her kit off. My friend's daughter currently works for Chelsea TV and hopefully will hit the big time soon. If her mother (my friend) is anything to go by she will be one to er...watch.

Saturday nights  they have  old biddy clare tomlinson on who looks so out of place - she must be at least 40 !

Old biddy, bollocks.

You will always need a competent journalist to counter the barbie doll airheads that pollute Sky Sports News.

In any case, Clare has that special cougar quality.

Special cougar , bollocks ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 01, 2013, 08:01:46 PM

Fine by me eastie. I bagsied here ages ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 08:15:26 PM

Kendrick tweeted this link to his latest piece-

The revolving door at Villa will be spinning this summer with boss Paul Lambert keen to make around six signings and move out at least a similar number.

Lambert is ready to overhaul his squad for the second successive close-season as he continues to stamp his imprint on the club.

Villa have expressed their interest in Aleksandar Tonev and are awaiting developments about their move for the 23-year-old Bulgarian winger.

Celtic and Werder Bremen are also in for the Lech Posnan player but Villa remain relaxed and will not be dragged into a bidding war.

Lambert could bid farewell to half-a-dozen players with Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall and loanee Simon Dawkins already released and others told they can leave. Darren Bent and Shay Given are looking for new clubs, while Stephen Ireland will discuss the terms of his likely exit and Alan Hutton’s future is still to be resolved.

There are also question marks over Brett Holman and Barry Bannan after their first-team opportunities became limited, while rookie defender Derrick Williams is keeping his options open. If there is a mass exodus Lambert will be looking to recruit replacements, albeit in keeping with Villa’s prudent wage policy.

Villa recruited eight players last summer with Ron Vlaar, Karim El Ahmadi, Christian Benteke, Ashley Westwood, Matt Lowton, Joe Bennett, Jordan Bowery and Holman arriving, while Yacouba Sylla joined in January and Dawkins came in on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2013, 08:33:36 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Totally disagree Tom, think he would be out of his depth  whether playing for villa or swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 08:33:36 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Totally disagree Tom, think he would be out of his depth  whether playing for villa or swansea.

He's done a lot of wrong, but at times he's shown there's a good player in there, and I'm convinced that with the right attitude he could be a very good player. I could easily be wrong, but I've always rated him and still do - even if he can be one of the most infuriating footballers to watch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 01, 2013, 08:57:03 PM

With Bannan because of his lack of physical and aerial power he has to be an exceptional player on the ball with a commited atitude. I dont think he is that player. His actions off the pitch i think will be why PL will move him on ..........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 01, 2013, 09:03:01 PM

Will nzog go now we are signing this tonev character- imagine him and holmans days could be number. Marc albrighton to stay on, stay fit and develop. It would be good to have tonev and albrighton as attacking wide options. Also linked with a bulgar striker who plays in Russia. Popev.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2013, 10:59:25 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 01, 2013, 07:46:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2013, 05:48:20 PM

Millie Clode, Olivia Godfrey and Charlotte Jackson in that order. Although if I was in a foursome with them it would have to be in reverse order as it would otherwise be all over for me as soon as Millie got her kit off. My friend's daughter currently works for Chelsea TV and hopefully will hit the big time soon. If her mother (my friend) is anything to go by she will be one to er...watch.

Saturday nights  they have  old biddy clare tomlinson on who looks so out of place - she must be at least 40 !

Old biddy, bollocks.

You will always need a competent journalist to counter the barbie doll airheads that pollute Sky Sports News.

In any case, Clare has that special cougar quality.

I wouldn't stir Bryan Robson's custard for all the money in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 01, 2013, 11:39:24 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Better suited to a continental league IMO. Preferably Spain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 01, 2013, 11:55:15 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 01, 2013, 08:33:36 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Totally disagree Tom, think he would be out of his depth  whether playing for villa or swansea.

He's done a lot of wrong, but at times he's shown there's a good player in there, and I'm convinced that with the right attitude he could be a very good player. I could easily be wrong, but I've always rated him and still do - even if he can be one of the most infuriating footballers to watch.

Problem is he doesn't seem to have the right attitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 02, 2013, 12:01:14 AM

Pretty sure he'll go to one of the old firm and do well. Maybe worzel will take a punt on him at Palace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 02, 2013, 12:37:50 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 01, 2013, 11:39:24 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 01, 2013, 08:28:21 PM

Quote from: Witton Warrior on June 01, 2013, 08:19:20 PM

Bannan to Swansea is it? Lovely...

He'd be a good fit there, but I still think there's a future for him here.

Better suited to a continental league IMO. Preferably Spain.

Alongside Argentinian Bannan and Neymar?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on June 02, 2013, 03:41:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

No chance I know Will personally; his sister and I are very good friends. When he got me tickets for the Derby Hull game at the KC I asked him if he wanted to sign for Villa; he's a Liverpool fan and said he would only sign for them if he was going to go to the Prem. If not stay at Derby or go aboard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 02, 2013, 03:53:08 AM

Do he know how much Derby might ask for him ? (Wil)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 05:50:43 AM

Quote from: evalast1910 on June 02, 2013, 03:41:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

No chance I know Will personally; his sister and I are very good friends. When he got me tickets for the Derby Hull game at the KC I asked him if he wanted to sign for Villa; he's a Liverpool fan and said he would only sign for them if he was going to go to the Prem. If not stay at Derby or go aboard.

I'm sure he wouldn't turn down arsenal or man utd to stay at derby ?
He is a footballer and surely would want to play at the highest level be it at villa or elsewhere?
He may be a Liverpool fan and i do not question that you know him but I'm sure if a club came calling he would rather double his wages at a higher level and in any case derby would want the money.

If he did really say he would only go to Liverpool in the prem or stay at derby then hes probably not  the sort of character we need - hardly hungry and ambitious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 09:41:56 AM

Quote from: evalast1910 on June 02, 2013, 03:41:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

No chance I know Will personally; his sister and I are very good friends. When he got me tickets for the Derby Hull game at the KC I asked him if he wanted to sign for Villa; he's a Liverpool fan and said he would only sign for them if he was going to go to the Prem. If not stay at Derby or go aboard.

he would say that though wouldn't he so to dampen any speculation - its a standard answer from young players. I think your ll find he would move to any club deemed suitable to his progress and development. The club, his advisors also have a say in a player transfer- think is i dont think villa are in position to spend 10 mil on one player whose not established in the top league. Unfortunately again there are cheaper alternatives in the European leagues or league 1

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 02, 2013, 09:44:04 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

Steve has it got 'The Spruce Goose' stencilled on the fuselage?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 09:45:24 AM

There's another derby player Jeff hendrick who seems pretty useful too. Unfortunately he supports a league of Ireland team and will only move there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 10:24:53 AM

This is why we can't get rid of Ireland. He supports Warwickshire CCC and will only move there but is absolutely shite at cricket.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 02, 2013, 10:25:32 AM

Quote from: evalast1910 on June 02, 2013, 03:41:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 02, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: go on the dog on June 01, 2013, 03:03:51 PM

Been told Will Hughes from Derby wants to join us, but Derby want 10 mill for him

This could be a runner. Lerner's jet has been spotted at Donnington airport.

No chance I know Will personally; his sister and I are very good friends. When he got me tickets for the Derby Hull game at the KC I asked him if he wanted to sign for Villa; he's a Liverpool fan and said he would only sign for them if he was going to go to the Prem. If not stay at Derby or go aboard.

Although pretty admirable, if that's the case, he's certainly narrowing his options.
I think it's one thing saying what he did and another turning down a chance to play in, what could be, a very special team in the making.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2013, 10:35:37 AM

I don't like the idea of Bannan leaving until we have determined behind doubt that he will not make it at top level for us. Keeping him here this season should do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 02, 2013, 10:39:39 AM

Bannan will only leave if he's guaranteed the bass guitar gig with Biffy Clyro. I regularly play Battleships with his aunt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bully2345 on June 02, 2013, 10:53:11 AM

Time for Bannan to move on. I defended him at Christmas when he was our only option and was getting all sorts of stick. I still think there's a question mark as to his desire to really make it so time to cash in while we can and move on.

Swansea would probably be a good fit for him so good move for all parties

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2013, 11:00:43 AM

Quote from: Bully2345 on June 02, 2013, 10:53:11 AM

Time for Bannan to move on. I defended him at Christmas when he was our only option and was getting all sorts of stick. I still think there's a question mark as to his desire to really make it so time to cash in while we can and move on.

Swansea would probably be a good fit for him so good move for all parties

Swansea already have several tidy bass players as it is, so I can't see it myself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on June 02, 2013, 11:52:40 AM

I have nothing against Wee Barry, think he's done ok in a Villa shirt. It just does my head in that when he's off the ball, he runs like he's riding a small pony. I don't like horses.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2013, 12:06:27 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 02, 2013, 11:00:43 AM

Quote from: Bully2345 on June 02, 2013, 10:53:11 AM

Time for Bannan to move on. I defended him at Christmas when he was our only option and was getting all sorts of stick. I still think there's a question mark as to his desire to really make it so time to cash in while we can and move on.

Swansea would probably be a good fit for him so good move for all parties

Swansea already have several tidy bass players as it is, so I can't see it myself.

The point with Swansea too is that they don't waste the ball, or try not to. Bannan is wasteful sometimes because his decision making isn't great.
Plus, tidy passers or not, their mids have a little more to their game too which Bannan doesn't seem to.
I personally think a drop down to the Champ would do Bannan good. Play 40 games, really try and stand out in that league, like Whitts, and come back up either with the club he's at or if he catches the eye again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 12:42:12 PM

Doesn't exactly sound like Tonev has signed yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 02, 2013, 12:47:26 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 12:42:12 PM

Doesn't exactly sound like Tonev has signed yet.

Yes, we must direct our opprobrium somewhere!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:02:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

Now now danny boy , you told us it was a done deal at 7-30 am yesterday at bodymoor :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:05:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:02:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

Now now danny boy , you told us it was a done deal at 7-30 am yesterday at bodymoor :(

Just waiting for an email mate. will be back soon ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:12:30 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:05:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:02:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

Now now danny boy , you told us it was a done deal at 7-30 am yesterday at bodymoor :(

Just waiting for an email mate. will be back soon ;)

Good to hear - i like the manager doing his deals early unlike mon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2013, 01:12:31 PM

They'll wait for monday morning. You heard it here first.  8)

Not that I know shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:13:53 PM

I think we will see plenty of activity in the next few weeks as lambert homes in on his targets- wouldnt be surprised to see more arrivals from mainland Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:16:59 PM

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aleksandar-Tonev/108495235842024

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 01:20:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:16:59 PM

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aleksandar-Tonev/108495235842024

What's that supposed to prove?

It's a Facebook fan page, not his own page.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM

http://epltalk.com/2013/05/31/aston-villa-agree-2-5m-fee-for-winger-aleksandar-tonev-the-nightly-epl/
Still waiting on developments according to the person i know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 02, 2013, 01:26:26 PM

"According to The Sun newspaper, sources close to Tonev say the lure of the Premier League swung the deal for Villa ahead of a host of top European clubs."

Another dig at us from The Sun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2013, 01:38:06 PM

This has to be the least bothered about a signing and bit of ITK I have ever been. He looks a decent players and Lambert has a great track record, so I think I am just relaxed that I trust the manager in the window almost completely, especially after he proved almost everyone wrong with the way he handled January, including me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2013, 01:43:16 PM

Celtic a top European club?

They've benefitted from playing against one other team for the past 100 years and now they don't even have a league game worthy of being arsed about. The prospect of  playing 6 games in Europe is no lure at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 01:46:04 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM

http://epltalk.com/2013/05/31/aston-villa-agree-2-5m-fee-for-winger-aleksandar-tonev-the-nightly-epl/
Still waiting on developments according to the person i know.

And according to every news source for the last two days?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 02, 2013, 01:59:34 PM

What do people get out of pretending to know stuff? I just don't get it. Is it for the same reason people buy sports cars?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 02, 2013, 02:01:44 PM

I've just seen Tonev filling up his Lada Riva at the Esso garage next to the Yenton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 02:46:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2013, 01:38:06 PM

This has to be the least bothered about a signing and bit of ITK I have ever been. He looks a decent players and Lambert has a great track record, so I think I am just relaxed that I trust the manager in the window almost completely, especially after he proved almost everyone wrong with the way he handled January, including me.

could well be a case alot of the signings brought in won't be so well known. Exciting none the less. I agree with comments of trust in Lambert and his transfer dealings - seems to know what he's after which is always a good thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 03:16:06 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I don't know, with last season's signings the idea of younger players signing is quite exciting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 02, 2013, 03:16:58 PM

As opposed to the 'exciting' signings of N'Zogbia for £10m or Cuellar for £8m to name but 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 03:21:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 03:16:06 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I don't know, with last season's signings the idea of younger players signing is quite exciting.

Indeed, the likes of Lowton and Westwood have certainly given far more than value for money for relatively low fees- I'm sure lambert has more up his sleeve.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 02, 2013, 03:28:33 PM

I am also sure that plenty of younger players and their advisors have seen what has happened to Lowton and Westwood. I would imagine we are seen as a good club to join for young Football League players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:44:04 PM

I just feel the expectation is less.  Which is great for the player but less exciting for the average fan.
I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't sign these players but I just think at these prices the probability of them succeeding is slim/less.  They're cheap for a reason, whether because they're unknown quantities, coming from poor leagues, or just simply not very good.

Right now Lambert's success rate is pretty stunning really.  Long may it continue but surely he's not *that* good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 02, 2013, 04:34:36 PM

I'm more excited about signing these young, unknown (to me) players. Far better than signing cast offs from 'top clubs'.
I'm sure a few will flop, thats inevitable.

Credit to Lambert, I didn't have faith earlier!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 04:42:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I'm fine if the subsequent season is as good

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 04:42:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I'm fine if the subsequent season is as good

Well I'd hope the season is a lot better overall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 04:57:45 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 04:42:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I'm fine if the subsequent season is as good

Well I'd hope the season is a lot better overall.

I think Rob meant as good as 95/96.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 04:58:41 PM

Ah right, apologies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2013, 05:02:09 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 02, 2013, 01:59:34 PM

What do people get out of pretending to know stuff? I just don't get it. Is it for the same reason people buy sports cars?

No, they buy them cos they have small willies.

Anyway, where have you been all year?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 05:10:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 04:57:45 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 04:42:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I'm fine if the subsequent season is as good

Well I'd hope the season is a lot better overall.

I think Rob meant as good as 95/96.

Indeed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2013, 05:16:32 PM

It is the player that is exciting, who cares what the fee is?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on June 02, 2013, 05:22:15 PM

Reading online that Liverpool have enquired about the availability of Benteke.

"Almost certainly a sign that LFC know Suarez will be gone in the summer, with both Real and Athletico bidding £35 million.

No idea what the Villa response was to the enquiry but all the indications are that Benteke wants to leave. Would have assumed he wanted a club which qualified for the Champions League but maybe money will be the ultimate draw for him.

Looking at £15 million move maybe closer to £18 million"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2013, 05:30:26 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 02, 2013, 05:02:09 PM

No, they buy them cos they have small willies.

You bastard eamonn. Did you have to out me in public in this way?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

FP this Liverpool thing if larrrf able and this item you have posted has been discussed ad nuseum since early this morning. £15/18m? This from a club that paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Wanker... They can stump up £40m if they want him!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on June 02, 2013, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 02, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

FP this Liverpool thing if larrrf able and this item you have posted has been discussed ad nuseum since early this morning. £15/18m? This from a club that paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Wanker... They can stump up £40m if they want him!

well i never saw i was busy.. but also im now reading bookies ladbrokes are saying £15 million too
http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/aston-villa-star-ready-to-vie-for-arsenal-and-tottenham-attention_157627.html

"Benteke represents a player in a similar mould to the Colombian Falaco, and the Spanish outfit may test Villa’s resolve with a £15m bid, a fee that both the Gunners and Tottenham are prepared to match.

Unwilling to sign the new Villa Park contract that Lambert is so desperate to offer him, Benteke looks destined to leave his Midlands employers this summer, even if his next club is open to debate

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 02, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

FP this Liverpool thing if larrrf able and this item you have posted has been discussed ad nuseum since early this morning. £15/18m? This from a club that paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Wanker... They can stump up £40m if they want him!

Even if they stump up the cash i can't imagine benteke would want to go there - there will be bigger fish than Liverpool after him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 02, 2013, 05:42:39 PM

From Benteke's point of view I wouldn't think a move to Liverpool this summer would be the best option for him. From our point of view, based on some Downing/Carroll mathematics, I think the hundred million quid transfer fee would be useful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 05:42:53 PM

Quote from: Fernando Partridge on June 02, 2013, 05:40:35 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 02, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

FP this Liverpool thing if larrrf able and this item you have posted has been discussed ad nuseum since early this morning. £15/18m? This from a club that paid £35m for Carroll and £20m for Wanker... They can stump up £40m if they want him!

well i never saw i was busy.. but also im now reading bookies ladbrokes are saying £15 million too
http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/aston-villa-star-ready-to-vie-for-arsenal-and-tottenham-attention_157627.html

"Benteke represents a player in a similar mould to the Colombian Falaco, and the Spanish outfit may test Villa’s resolve with a £15m bid, a fee that both the Gunners and Tottenham are prepared to match.

Unwilling to sign the new Villa Park contract that Lambert is so desperate to offer him, Benteke looks destined to leave his Midlands employers this summer, even if his next club is open to debate

He may well leave but sure as hell not for £15m or anything close to that - the bidding must start at minimum £25m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 02, 2013, 05:51:45 PM

Spurs,Arsenal, Athletico,Dortmond and Monaco will all bid around 25-30mil....but Arry will come in wiv a late bid of 40mil  and win the day!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 02, 2013, 06:00:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 01:20:36 PM

http://epltalk.com/2013/05/31/aston-villa-agree-2-5m-fee-for-winger-aleksandar-tonev-the-nightly-epl/
Still waiting on developments according to the person i know.

He failed the medical because his balls haven't dropped yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2013, 06:09:24 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:02:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

He was apparently playing today, so I doubt very much he was at Bodymore this morning.

Now now danny boy , you told us it was a done deal at 7-30 am yesterday at bodymoor :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 06:12:31 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 02, 2013, 06:09:24 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 01:02:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Patience.

He was apparently playing today, so I doubt very much he was at Bodymore this morning.

Now now danny boy , you told us it was a done deal at 7-30 am yesterday at bodymoor :(

I think we're supposed to wait till he signs, then dan will say "told you so", even if it isn't for weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2013, 06:26:42 PM

I'm guessing Danny boy keeps looking at his phone praying a text comes in soon to save his arse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 06:28:59 PM

What's the e-mail gonna say?

 'He still signed at 7.30 yesterday'?

'Sorry, we've sold him'?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2013, 06:29:51 PM

How the fuck do Labrookes know what has been offered and what Benteke wants to do?

Sports journalism is hilarious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2013, 06:45:01 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 06:28:59 PM

What's the e-mail gonna say?

 'He still signed at 7.30 yesterday'?

'Sorry, we've sold him'?

If you are going to come on claiming ITK, then it better come through. Otherwise you look foolish. All that has happened is that he knows as much as what has been reported very publicly, but he added that the deal was done first thing on Saturday which it clearly wasn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on June 02, 2013, 06:45:53 PM

Twitter

@GlennFitz_AVFC: Alexandar Tonev played for Lech Poznan today & was subbed & then waved to the crowd as if to say goodbye #avfc #transfers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 02, 2013, 06:51:26 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 02, 2013, 05:02:09 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 02, 2013, 01:59:34 PM

What do people get out of pretending to know stuff? I just don't get it. Is it for the same reason people buy sports cars?

No, they buy them cos they have small willies.

Anyway, where have you been all year?

I've been lurking. Had a bit of a bad year, but now I'm back to my brilliant best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 07:24:59 PM

He'll sign Tuesday *taps nose*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:27:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2013, 06:45:01 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 06:28:59 PM

What's the e-mail gonna say?

 'He still signed at 7.30 yesterday'?

'Sorry, we've sold him'?

If you are going to come on claiming ITK, then it better come through. Otherwise you look foolish. All that has happened is that he knows as much as what has been reported very publicly, but he added that the deal was done first thing on Saturday which it clearly wasn't.

I was told by a Villa employee that the Bulgarian lad was due at Bodymoor early on Saturday. Still waiting for confirmation from him. He seemed very sure that it was a done deal. And by the way it is about as reliable a source as we can get apart from Lambert doing a press conference confirming it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 02, 2013, 07:33:51 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:27:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2013, 06:45:01 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 06:28:59 PM

What's the e-mail gonna say?

 'He still signed at 7.30 yesterday'?

'Sorry, we've sold him'?

If you are going to come on claiming ITK, then it better come through. Otherwise you look foolish. All that has happened is that he knows as much as what has been reported very publicly, but he added that the deal was done first thing on Saturday which it clearly wasn't.

I was told by a Villa employee that the Bulgarian lad was due at Bodymoor early on Saturday. Still waiting for confirmation from him. He seemed very sure that it was a done deal.

Pausing only to nip back and play this afternoon. I hate to break this to you dan, but to use the technical term I think your 100% true ITK is talking bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:37:43 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 02, 2013, 07:33:51 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:27:18 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2013, 06:45:01 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2013, 06:28:59 PM

What's the e-mail gonna say?

 'He still signed at 7.30 yesterday'?

'Sorry, we've sold him'?

If you are going to come on claiming ITK, then it better come through. Otherwise you look foolish. All that has happened is that he knows as much as what has been reported very publicly, but he added that the deal was done first thing on Saturday which it clearly wasn't.

I was told by a Villa employee that the Bulgarian lad was due at Bodymoor early on Saturday. Still waiting for confirmation from him. He seemed very sure that it was a done deal.

Pausing only to nip back and play this afternoon. I hate to break this to you dan, but to use the technical term I think your 100% true ITK is talking bollocks.

No bollocks Dave i can truthfully say that. If the person i know says we have him then we have him, i truly believe this person.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:40:15 PM

If we had him there would have been an announcement by now Dan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 07:42:12 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:40:15 PM

If we had him there would have been an announcement by now Dan.

It doesn't really matter whether we signed him yesterday or next week as long as he's the right player and we get him on board - lets hope for good news !

He apparently waved to the fans when substituted today so we will see what develops next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:44:19 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:40:15 PM

If we had him there would have been an announcement by now Dan.

Hang in there. This person would not bullshit us, seriously. VP employee for years and would never bullshit anybody about our club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:44:27 PM

Well yes but I don't think anything happened yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:49:52 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:44:27 PM

Well yes but I don't think anything happened yesterday.

Our bid was excepted on Friday and there will be confirmation very soon. Lambert is also looking at 5-6 other players as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 02, 2013, 07:53:51 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 07:49:52 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 02, 2013, 07:44:27 PM

Well yes but I don't think anything happened yesterday.

Our bid was excepted on Friday and there will be confirmation very soon. Lambert is also looking at 5-6 other players as well.

Now there's an exclusive and no mistake. if I were you I wouldn't waste that one on here - sell it to the tabloids.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on June 02, 2013, 07:55:03 PM

sorry Dan, but that's been widely reported too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 02, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

Leave dan alone. He means well. He gets excited, like we all do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on June 02, 2013, 08:06:49 PM

And dan reads twitter and villa talk to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:08:29 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 02, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

Leave dan alone. He means well. He gets excited, like we all do.

Agreed, lets not get into a squabble over it - if we sign him and he's a good player thats all that matters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 08:09:17 PM

Quote from: richardhubbard on June 02, 2013, 08:06:49 PM

And dan reads twitter and villa talk to.

Nope.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 08:09:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:08:29 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 02, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

Leave dan alone. He means well. He gets excited, like we all do.

Agreed, lets not get into a squabble over it - if we sign him and he's a good player thats all that matters.

Shut up you! *shakes fist angrily*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 02, 2013, 08:10:24 PM

I might follow Dan on twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 08:11:09 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 02, 2013, 08:10:24 PM

I might follow Dan on twitter.

I only follow the Hoffmeister bear.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 08:11:24 PM

Don't do twatter.
Der,Der, follow the bear.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:11:58 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 08:09:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:08:29 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 02, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

Leave dan alone. He means well. He gets excited, like we all do.

Agreed, lets not get into a squabble over it - if we sign him and he's a good player thats all that matters.

Shut up you! *shakes fist angrily*

You may shake your fist but you can't shake your snowglobe ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 08:13:52 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:11:58 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 02, 2013, 08:09:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 02, 2013, 08:08:29 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 02, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

Leave dan alone. He means well. He gets excited, like we all do.

Agreed, lets not get into a squabble over it - if we sign him and he's a good player thats all that matters.

Shut up you! *shakes fist angrily*

You may shake your fist but you can't shake your snowglobe ;)

He's already thrown that through the window, much to the annoyance of Mrs Shin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 02, 2013, 08:16:03 PM

Dan the Bulgarian lad who went to BH on Saturday is my mate Ampov Voltev. He is an electrician and went to fix the fuse on an easy recliner that had blown after Dunny was sat on it all day!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 02, 2013, 08:28:16 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 02, 2013, 08:16:03 PM

Dan the Bulgarian lad who went to BH on Saturday is my mate Ampov Voltev. He is an electrician and went to fix the fuse on an easy recliner that had blown after Dunny was sat on it all day!

Very good aftab, very good. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2013, 08:40:14 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 02, 2013, 08:16:03 PM

Dan the Bulgarian lad who went to BH on Saturday is my mate Ampov Voltev. He is an electrician and went to fix the fuse on an easy recliner that had blown after Dunny was sat on it all day!

Outstanding use of the imagination inside your head.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on June 02, 2013, 09:00:30 PM

Anyway if he signs his mate on security after reading twitter will be right

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 02, 2013, 09:01:21 PM

How about Jozy Altidore as one to look at if either Benteke or Weimann leave ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 09:03:19 PM

Jozy Altidore would do a great job if we sold benteke playing and scoring well for usa against Germans tonite.. and plays well in Spain this season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 02, 2013, 09:47:04 PM

Selling Benteke and buying Altidore would probably make me lose interest for a few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2013, 10:10:22 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 02, 2013, 09:01:21 PM

How about Jozy Altidore as one to look at if either Benteke or Weimann leave ?

How about Jozy Altidore as back up to Benteke and Weimann when they both stay?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2013, 10:21:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 09:03:19 PM

Jozy Altidore would do a great job if we sold benteke playing and scoring well for usa against Germans tonite.. and plays well in Spain this season

Spain, Netherlands - what does eleven hundred miles matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 10:27:39 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 02, 2013, 09:47:04 PM

Selling Benteke and buying Altidore would probably make me lose interest for a few years.

Me too.

That's the same Altidore who did the square root of fuck all the last time he played in the Premier League, one assumes, and not some other, amazing one that has cropped up since then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2013, 10:32:34 PM

Was it 1 goal he scored for Hull? Might be a better player now, but not in Benteke league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 02, 2013, 10:43:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 02, 2013, 10:32:34 PM

Was it 1 goal he scored for Hull? Might be a better player now, but not in Benteke league.

Poor Sky, I really felt for them when the big four broke away and joined the Benteke League

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM

Altidore is one of the top players in dutch league. And played in Spain since his hull business.. Improved player i will champion his cause. Anyway like will Hughes he's selective when it comes to prem league football as he loves yorkshire puddings so can only play in yorkshire

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 11:45:21 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM

Altidore is one of the top players in dutch league. And played in Spain since his hull business.. Improved player i will champion his cause. Anyway like will Hughes he's selective when it comes to prem league football as he loves yorkshire puddings so can only play in yorkshire

No, he hasn't. He played in Spain before he went to Hull.

He spent three years on Villareal's books, and in that time made 9 appearances, and scored one goal. It was they who lent him to Hull (28 appearances, one goal), and then to Bursaspor in Turkey (12 starts, 1 goal). If you're going to look at his improvement, you need to forget the spanish interlude.

He has done OK in Holland, but if there is one league that year after year produces strikers who score sacks full of goals but then move abroad and fail spectacularly, it is Holland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:54:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 11:45:21 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM

Altidore is one of the top players in dutch league. And played in Spain since his hull business.. Improved player i will champion his cause. Anyway like will Hughes he's selective when it comes to prem league football as he loves yorkshire puddings so can only play in yorkshire

No, he hasn't. He played in Spain before he went to Hull.

He spent three years on Villareal's books, and in that time made 9 appearances, and scored one goal. It was they who lent him to Hull (28 appearances, one goal), and then to Bursaspor in Turkey (12 starts, 1 goal). If you're going to look at his improvement, you need to forget the spanish interlude.

He has done OK in Holland, but if there is one league that year after year produces strikers who score sacks full of goals but then move abroad and fail spectacularly, it is Holland.

yes the eredivisie never any export of a goal scorer. Oh i think i Liverpool signed suarez from ajax.
And were did percie and nistelrooy come from? I not sure why you're so anti dutch league its okay.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 12:14:51 AM

I thought Percy came from Chelmsley?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2013, 12:38:57 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 12:14:51 AM

I thought Percy came from Chelmsley?

Yeah, it's like that. When you're from Chelmsley you can have a night out in Coleshill or Marston Green and knock bods out for fun. It's a bit like scoring goals in the Dutch league.

Then you get out of the taxi in Chelmsley and you're soft as shite again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 03, 2013, 01:02:46 AM

He may have improved and whilst class strikers can be found in the Dutch league, you can't really tell until they play in another league, replacing Benteke with Altidore, who we know sucked in England, would be like replacing Hayley Atwell with Susan Boyle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 02:23:42 AM

While signing him wouldn't have me getting the bunting out, different players mature at different ages. He was only 20 when he was with a pretty shit Hull side. He's still only 23 so may be a much better player now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 03, 2013, 07:50:17 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 02, 2013, 10:10:22 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 02, 2013, 09:01:21 PM

How about Jozy Altidore as one to look at if either Benteke or Weimann leave ?

How about Jozy Altidore as back up to Benteke and Weimann when they both stay?

How about Austin or Cornelius?  Altidore - hmmm.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 03, 2013, 08:23:24 AM

Susan Boyle. Cor

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 03, 2013, 08:59:52 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM

Altidore is one of the top players in dutch league.

Brett The Hitman Holman was one of the top players in the Dutch league, illustrating that the standard might be a bit pish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 09:08:21 AM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 10:01:51 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 09:08:21 AM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

No thanks.

No fecking way

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2013, 10:06:43 AM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 10:01:51 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 09:08:21 AM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

No thanks.

No fecking way

Yes the 'f'' word, the one worse than feck. No way!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 10:14:17 AM

I'm sure if they bid they will offer him to us with a crazy valuation to match. Lets pray Lambert doesn't rate him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2013, 10:43:20 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 10:14:17 AM

I'm sure if they bid they will offer him to us with a crazy valuation to match. Lets pray Lambert doesn't rate him

Didn't lambert say he really liked him? I doubt we are prepared to match his wages however (and I'm pleased about that)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 03, 2013, 10:50:34 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 03, 2013, 10:06:43 AM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 10:01:51 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 09:08:21 AM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

No thanks.

No fecking way

Yes the 'f'' word, the one worse than feck. No way!

Carroll no way please. Injury prone and not very good. And on about 80k a week. If O'Neill was still in charge then maybe it would happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2013, 11:00:18 AM

Benteke to Liverpool?  Why? Are Liverpool still the great big club that the press wnat them to be?  Seriously.  Why the hell would Benteke want to leave Villa for another midtable club?  If Benteke leaves, it should be for a champions league club.  In any case, I trust Lambert to do the right thing in the transfer market.  His dealings so far have been very, very positive.  Holman wasn't his signing, Dawkins was only a loan, so no real damage done.  Only Bennett has struggled out of the signings Lambert has made, and even young Joe has showed positive signs of late.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 11:00:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 03, 2013, 10:43:20 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 10:14:17 AM

I'm sure if they bid they will offer him to us with a crazy valuation to match. Lets pray Lambert doesn't rate him

Didn't lambert say he really liked him? I doubt we are prepared to match his wages however (and I'm pleased about that)

Dunno. I'm not a fan of  Carroll but i'd say he's worth around 10m-ish, so him plus 20m would be kindof acceptable if we wanted him. Hopefully they'll really piss the club off by offering a straight swap or an extra 5m and we'll dig our heels in

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 03, 2013, 11:21:50 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 11:00:35 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 03, 2013, 10:43:20 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 03, 2013, 10:14:17 AM

I'm sure if they bid they will offer him to us with a crazy valuation to match. Lets pray Lambert doesn't rate him

Didn't lambert say he really liked him? I doubt we are prepared to match his wages however (and I'm pleased about that)

Dunno. I'm not a fan of  Carroll but i'd say he's worth around 10m-ish, so him plus 20m would be kindof acceptable if we wanted him. Hopefully they'll really piss the club off by offering a straight swap or an extra 5m and we'll dig our heels in

If used right I think Carroll is a useful player.

However, his wages would mean it was pretty much a non starter.  Plus, even if they did offer £20m + Carroll, Lambert knows he'd be able to get just as good a player for less than £10m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 03, 2013, 11:37:15 AM

It seems unlikely, thankfully, but if he went to the Bindippers, I think I might just explode with indignation. What have those cnuts got that we don't? It's not as if they have any realistic prospect of offering Champion's League football. They're not even in the Europa League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2013, 11:54:18 AM

I'd take Carroll and 25 mill. Not any less. If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want him, it's that or 35 mill straight up. Hell, Liverpool are closer to our level of competition next season, so I'd want more from them than say Arsenal.
But he won't go to Liverpool. He's not stupid. It would be pointless.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 03, 2013, 11:56:37 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 02, 2013, 04:42:53 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

It's hard to get excited about 2.5m signings.  It feels a bit 1995.  However if they come good it is even more satisfying.

I'm fine if the subsequent season is as good

I agree .

I was gutted when we signed Heskey . Harewood and quite a few others .

No , I would not be running around the room with a bottle of moet but at least I would not be gutted.

and I like the excitement of a player I know nothing about eg Beneteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2013, 12:08:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:54:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2013, 11:45:21 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 02, 2013, 11:40:18 PM

Altidore is one of the top players in dutch league. And played in Spain since his hull business.. Improved player i will champion his cause. Anyway like will Hughes he's selective when it comes to prem league football as he loves yorkshire puddings so can only play in yorkshire

No, he hasn't. He played in Spain before he went to Hull.

He spent three years on Villareal's books, and in that time made 9 appearances, and scored one goal. It was they who lent him to Hull (28 appearances, one goal), and then to Bursaspor in Turkey (12 starts, 1 goal). If you're going to look at his improvement, you need to forget the spanish interlude.

He has done OK in Holland, but if there is one league that year after year produces strikers who score sacks full of goals but then move abroad and fail spectacularly, it is Holland.

yes the eredivisie never any export of a goal scorer. Oh i think i Liverpool signed suarez from ajax.
And were did percie and nistelrooy come from? I not sure why you're so anti dutch league its okay.   

I didn't say that the Eredivisie never export decent scorers, I said that there have been a lot who are poor, after doing well in Holland.

Van Persie and Van Nistelrooy had decent records at international level, too, and had performed in the Champions League. Altidore hasn't, and also has had a period in the PL where he delivered absolutely nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 03, 2013, 12:13:04 PM

Yes, but apart from the thing about being shit, and having a name that makes it sound like he is asleep, he is pretty good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 03, 2013, 12:18:43 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 03, 2013, 11:54:18 AM

I'd take Carroll and 25 mill. Not any less. If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want him, it's that or 35 mill straight up. Hell, Liverpool are closer to our level of competition next season, so I'd want more from them than say Arsenal.
But he won't go to Liverpool. He's not stupid. It would be pointless.

Carroll would be on massive wages, and I doubt he'd add much to our squad.  He'd be another one who will be seeing out his 4 year contract whilst contributing little. 

I'd rather we had the cash and go for someone like Lukaku.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 03, 2013, 12:23:27 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 03, 2013, 12:18:43 PM

Carroll would be on massive wages, and I doubt he'd add much to our squad.  He'd be another one who will be seeing out his 4 year contract whilst contributing little. 

He seems to have contributed quite a lot at West Ham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 03, 2013, 12:37:28 PM

If you asked me to name a player that Paul Lambert will never, ever sign, I would probably say Andy Carroll.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 03, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 03, 2013, 12:23:27 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 03, 2013, 12:18:43 PM

Carroll would be on massive wages, and I doubt he'd add much to our squad.  He'd be another one who will be seeing out his 4 year contract whilst contributing little. 

He seems to have contributed quite a lot at West Ham.

But we'd have to change our way of playing to accommodate him.  He's a lot less mobile than Benteke, and to make the most of him we'd have to buy a decent winger or two as well.  Even then, I wouldn't expect more than 10-12 goals a season from him.

I'm not saying he couldn't do some sort of job, but when you factor in his likely wages, and his top flight goal record, I'm not sure he's worth it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 03, 2013, 12:42:48 PM

Not a Lambert player. Very definitely an Allardyce player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 12:50:34 PM

We already have striker that can score plenty of goals from crosses, but apparently we're trying to offload him at a massive loss

I'd rather have Giles De Bilde back than sign a carthorse like Carroll

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 03, 2013, 01:01:18 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 12:50:34 PM

We already have striker that can score plenty of goals from crosses, but apparently we're trying to offload him at a massive loss

I'd rather have Giles De Bilde back than sign a carthorse like Carroll

Not sure that is entirely correct. Bent thrives more of balls played through from behind rather than out and out crosses.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 03, 2013, 01:12:23 PM

Carroll?

No! No! No!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2013, 01:18:08 PM

My guess is that Liverpool are offering Carroll to everyone just to be rid of him. They've probably offered him to the dry cleaners as part exchange for washing their team kits and suits during the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on June 03, 2013, 01:24:43 PM

Van Nistelrooy and Suarez were among the hottest strikers in world football when they arrived in the PL. Altidore...... just no. Please no.

Same with Carroll.

I'd rather we pocketed £30m, used that to strengthen the defence and midfield, and then just found a way to re-integrate Bent into the team at centre forward than take Carroll on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 03, 2013, 01:27:55 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 03, 2013, 01:12:23 PM

Carroll?

No! No! No!

No, it goes "Noel, noel, noel."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 03, 2013, 01:30:10 PM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 03, 2013, 01:01:18 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 12:50:34 PM

We already have striker that can score plenty of goals from crosses, but apparently we're trying to offload him at a massive loss

I'd rather have Giles De Bilde back than sign a carthorse like Carroll

Not sure that is entirely correct. Bent thrives more of balls played through from behind rather than out and out crosses.

I agree.  I'm not sure Bent has ever thrived on crosses especially when you think back through his career.  His most successfull spells where when he was playing in reasonably direct counter attacking teams.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 03, 2013, 01:38:47 PM

well you say that, go back and watch how many of his goals came from crosses from Downing, Young, Walker etc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 03, 2013, 01:41:31 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2013, 01:27:55 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 03, 2013, 01:12:23 PM

Carroll?

No! No! No!

No, it goes "Noel, noel, noel."

Maybe he wants to take him to rehab.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2013, 01:43:53 PM

If Lambert wants a player the board will back him. However, I think they've already been burned quite badly by the whole part exchange thing with the deal for Ireland. I think they'd sooner just trouser the cash then take on someone elses problem. Plus, I don't see in a million years him going to Liverpool this year or in the future. One more good year with us and Benteke will have far better offers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 03, 2013, 01:45:02 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 03, 2013, 01:41:31 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2013, 01:27:55 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 03, 2013, 01:12:23 PM

Carroll?

No! No! No!

No, it goes "Noel, noel, noel."

Maybe he wants to take him to rehab.

I thought it was a bit early for Christmas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM

anyone got any update on the Tonev rumours?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM

anyone got any update on the Tonev rumours?

He signed on Saturday according to Dan. Around Tea Time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2013, 03:20:05 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM

anyone got any update on the Tonev rumours?

He signed on Saturday according to Dan. Around Tea Time.

You have your tea at 7.30 am? Rock and roll!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 03:23:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2013, 03:20:05 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM

anyone got any update on the Tonev rumours?

He signed on Saturday according to Dan. Around Tea Time.

You have your tea at 7.30 am? Rock and roll!

Was he there that early? Christ, he's eager to join us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

we need an ITK who is ITK

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 03:28:52 PM

I reckon that Lech haven't accepted our bid yet and that's if we have even bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 03, 2013, 03:46:01 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 03:28:52 PM

I reckon that Lech haven't accepted our bid yet and that's if we have even bid.

Walesa problem then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 03, 2013, 03:58:58 PM

We need to display solidarity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 04:01:17 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 03:28:52 PM

I reckon that Lech haven't accepted our bid yet and that's if we have even bid.

Maybe we're poles apart.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on June 03, 2013, 04:06:17 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 02:34:00 PM

anyone got any update on the Tonev rumours?

I can confirm that there have definitely been rumours about Tonev.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 03, 2013, 04:10:16 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 04:01:17 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 03, 2013, 03:28:52 PM

I reckon that Lech haven't accepted our bid yet and that's if we have even bid.

Maybe we're poles apart.

they want a bulgar offer its not poss for a lake and a granny

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2013, 04:23:45 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

we need an ITK who is ITK

Don't want to give away the name of my connection at the club, but I'm hearing that Tonev will definitely sign for us this week. Or sign for somebody else within seven days. Or still be at his current club next Monday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 04:39:58 PM

is your contact Uncle Bulgaria?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2013, 05:42:07 PM

No, he works for AFC Wimbledon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 03, 2013, 06:31:13 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8755544/Transfer-news-Werder-Bremen-in-the-mix-for-Aleksandar-Tonev

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 03, 2013, 06:54:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 03, 2013, 06:31:13 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8755544/Transfer-news-Werder-Bremen-in-the-mix-for-Aleksandar-Tonev

I have not been on here since i seen your post that he had signed on Saturday am. Is that now changed Danlanza ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 03, 2013, 07:02:08 PM

What about the lure of the premier league ?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 03, 2013, 07:07:46 PM

What about the price? Celtic had agreed a fee of £2m now £3.5m is being quoted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 03, 2013, 07:14:42 PM

Ghetto t'of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 03, 2013, 07:17:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 03, 2013, 07:07:46 PM

What about the price? Celtic had agreed a fee of £2m now £3.5m is being quoted.

seems all a 'tonev shite'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 03, 2013, 07:19:14 PM

backing away from Tonev a little...

Altidore - what's the point, if we're looking for a striker in the dutch league surely Bony at a year older and with a far better scoring record (for his career) should be top of the list.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 03, 2013, 07:27:39 PM

And we had a link with him last summer too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 03, 2013, 07:30:40 PM

Is that the same Jozy Altidore who was crap at Hull?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 03, 2013, 07:33:21 PM

 

Quote from: paul_e on June 03, 2013, 07:19:14 PM

backing away from Tonev a little...

Altidore - what's the point, if we're looking for a striker in the dutch league surely Bony at a year older and with a far better scoring record (for his career) should be top of the list.

altidore !?!! What's that im being a fool! yeah youre right its all about boney as he is daddy kool .. Daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool ! Im crazy being a fool championing jozy not daddy kool .. !! Haahahahaha blame my parents they feed me this

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 07:41:42 PM

apparently popov has confirmed our interest in him to some Bulgarian website

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 03, 2013, 07:50:40 PM

its not fair other clubs always get their shopping done early





Only joking that was for the other board

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 03, 2013, 07:53:20 PM

Maybe there is some truth in the Ivelin Popov rumour, This article (http://gong.bg/view_article.php?article_id=350539) has supposed direct quotes from Popov, basically saying that he's aware of interest from Aston Villa, and although its quite serious, negotiations are not as advanced as they are with Tonev.

Whilst I wouldn't have particularly high expectations for either Tonev or Popov, they are both relatively young players (especially Tonev), who have the potential to get better. Both would be coming from weaker leagues, and would see us as a definite step up in standard. In short, they are both gambles, but I'm certainly happier having our squad bulked up with these kind of players rather than the likes of Beye, Cuellar, Harewood et al - i.e. players who we knew weren't going to improve us, and were on relatively big money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 03, 2013, 07:55:35 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2013, 04:23:45 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

we need an ITK who is ITK

Don't want to give away the name of my connection at the club, but I'm hearing that Tonev will definitely sign for us this week. Or sign for somebody else within seven days. Or still be at his current club next Monday.

I'll believe that when it happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 03, 2013, 08:41:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 03, 2013, 07:33:21 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 03, 2013, 07:19:14 PM

backing away from Tonev a little...

Altidore - what's the point, if we're looking for a striker in the dutch league surely Bony at a year older and with a far better scoring record (for his career) should be top of the list.

altidore !?!! What's that im being a fool! yeah youre right its all about boney as he is daddy kool .. Daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool daddy daddy kool ! Im crazy being a fool championing jozy not daddy kool .. !! Haahahahaha blame my parents they feed me this

I'll wager that you're high on something. Or possibly a few sheets to the wind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

I'm sure you'd be quite jovial if you won your wager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 08:46:12 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2013, 08:43:56 PM

I'm sure you'd be quite jovial if you won your wager.

Depends if the brice was right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 08:46:31 PM

I mean price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2013, 08:54:31 PM

Anyone know any decent Dijon players we could make a bid for?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 03, 2013, 08:56:11 PM

They're mustard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 03, 2013, 09:52:46 PM

Nice!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 09:54:01 PM

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/content/images/2006/01/11/rentaghost__470_02_470x353.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 03, 2013, 10:02:08 PM

Huh?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 03, 2013, 10:08:42 PM

miss pop off aka Audrey Roberts

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 03, 2013, 10:16:44 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2013, 08:54:31 PM

Anyone know any decent Dijon players we could make a bid for?

Dion Dublin? - although he's a little past it perhaps.

He could certainly cut it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2013, 10:22:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 12:14:51 AM

I thought Percy came from Chelmsley?

No one comes from Chelmsley...you are sent there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2013, 10:26:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

Let's NOT start talking at Carroll.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 10:45:31 PM

The Irish Lions on fb seem to think that Tonev is not with the Bulgarian squad and is in the UK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 03, 2013, 11:05:07 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 03, 2013, 10:26:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2013, 08:24:24 AM

If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' want Bentke (and he's mad enough to want to go there), let's start talking at Carroll plus £15m coming our way

Let's NOT start talking at Carroll.....

Yes, I have a better idea for the prospective dialogue.

Liverpool: We'd like to enquire about the availability of Christian Benteke please.

Aston Villa: O.K, well the situation is that we'd like you to go fuck yourself with unusual violence.

Liverpool: Well, hang on. How does £15m sound?

Aston Villa: It sounds like you've been drinking Dettol for a month. Goodbye.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 01:16:49 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 03, 2013, 10:22:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 03, 2013, 12:14:51 AM

I thought Percy came from Chelmsley?

No one comes from Chelmsley...you are sent there!

Chelmsley Wood is ace. Don't fall for lazy stereotypes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 04, 2013, 06:45:35 AM

I take it back. Lambert's not being advised by John Blackwell, he is John Blackwell. Also that Popov interview...

I know of interest from Aston Villa, which is serious. What we will see in time. I think for me, the summer will be tegavo. I hope everything will end with a happy ending. Even if you stay in Cuba, it would be good for me, "said the striker."

Eh? Is he playing in Cuba? Or is Cuba Bulgarian-speak for Coventry?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jwarry on June 04, 2013, 06:48:50 AM

Montpellier president claiming we have bid for some bloke called Bellend according to Twitter Blx.
http://www.footballcourier.com/news/story/2269156/montpellier-president-claims-aston-villa-has-bid-for-younes-belh.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 04, 2013, 06:56:29 AM

heh. So we've bid along with AC Milan, Inter, Athletico Madrid and Galatasaray? Either its bullshit or we've reverted to the Ellis days of bidding on players we had no chance of buying in the hope it makes us look ambitious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2013, 07:20:07 AM

Not buying that we are bidding for the sake of bidding, I think Lambert is just about the last to do that kind of silly shit. I do think it is very unlikely we have bid, and that the Montpellier chairman is apparently is mad as a box of frogs so could esily have been talking about Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 04, 2013, 07:32:50 AM

Yep. its just made-up bollocks unless we've sold Benteke for 40m and haven't told anyone yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tsvet on June 04, 2013, 07:37:31 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 10:45:31 PM

The Irish Lions on fb seem to think that Tonev is not with the Bulgarian squad and is in the UK.

Tonev is not with the Bulgarian team as he had to play his last game of the season in Poland on Sunday. According to the Bulgarian media he is supposed to arrive in Birmingham for medicals today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 04, 2013, 08:13:05 AM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 04, 2013, 06:45:35 AM

I take it back. Lambert's not being advised by John Blackwell, he is John Blackwell. Also that Popov interview...

I know of interest from Aston Villa, which is serious. What we will see in time. I think for me, the summer will be tegavo. I hope everything will end with a happy ending. Even if you stay in Cuba, it would be good for me, "said the striker."

Eh? Is he playing in Cuba? Or is Cuba Bulgarian-speak for Coventry?

Its Google Translate speak for Kuban Krasnodar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 04, 2013, 08:19:50 AM

ah right. Not much difference!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 04, 2013, 08:32:09 AM

Quote from: jwarry on June 04, 2013, 06:48:50 AM

Montpellier president claiming we have bid for some bloke called Bellend according to Twitter Blx.
http://www.footballcourier.com/news/story/2269156/montpellier-president-claims-aston-villa-has-bid-for-younes-belh.html

Lambert has a warchest A WARCHEST!

I am ready!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 04, 2013, 08:35:32 AM

We are now that club that any newspaper can fill a gap by printing a link to any obscure player and it will sound halfway plausible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 04, 2013, 08:42:21 AM

Quote from: jwarry on June 04, 2013, 06:48:50 AM

Montpellier president claiming we have bid for some bloke called Bellend according to Twitter Blx.
http://www.footballcourier.com/news/story/2269156/montpellier-president-claims-aston-villa-has-bid-for-younes-belh.html

Tenuous link but could he be good friends with KEA who has put him forward as a good signing and will try to help us out on this?

It does seem a strange link in terms of his profile but in terms of the fit to the club I can see him being perfect, the key being that plays all across the pitch in the attacking midfield roles so offers competition for gabby and weimann and gives the option of creativity in the centre.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2013, 08:44:21 AM

I doubt we will see Belhanda, their chairman claims he can choose between AC Milan, Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid, Galatasaray and us.
Unless he is a sadist.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 04, 2013, 08:52:28 AM

Tonev, Popov and and now Belhanda. 

I feel the first two are probably true and we are interested/have bid, although I have now idea about Belhanda.  What's noticeable to me is they all play in pretty much the same position, which is basically N'Zogbia's and/or Gabby and Weimann.  Cover there is an issue and the extra attacking threat N'Zog brings weakens us too much defensively, meaning he probably needs replacing with someone who brings that and also puts a shift in.   

Does this remind anyone else of last summer, when we were linked to just about every young attacking FB in the lower leagues before signing Lowton and Bennett?  The theory then is that Lambert works by having a dossier on a number of players who fits the bill he wants.  That way, if option A doesn't come of, he can move to option B smoothly and eventually get his man.  I think we might be seeing that here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 04, 2013, 08:58:27 AM

If you’re purchasing an asset for potentially several hundred thousand pounds up to several million, with a similar outlay over the life-span of that asset, then you would hope the manager would undertake proper due diligence.

After we bought Westwood it emerged that we had a 30 page dossier on him.

I love that word, dossier. It makes us sound like we carry out clandestine intelligence operations in our spare time. Dossier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 09:03:02 AM

Quote from: tsvet on June 04, 2013, 07:37:31 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 03, 2013, 10:45:31 PM

The Irish Lions on fb seem to think that Tonev is not with the Bulgarian squad and is in the UK.

Tonev is not with the Bulgarian team as he had to play his last game of the season in Poland on Sunday. According to the Bulgarian media he is supposed to arrive in Birmingham for medicals today.

Now tsvet is what I call a source.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 09:05:20 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 04, 2013, 08:58:27 AM

I love that word, dossier. It makes us sound like we carry out clandestine intelligence operations in our spare time. Dossier.

Under MON we had a network of dossers lying on park benches, drinking Special and shouting at the pigeons

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 04, 2013, 09:18:17 AM

I don't know if this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-22759753) has already been posted, but I would hope that this counts against him when it comes to signing for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 04, 2013, 09:50:30 AM

Quote from: FatSam on June 04, 2013, 09:18:17 AM

I don't know if this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-22759753) has already been posted, but I would hope that this counts against him when it comes to signing for us.

I'd avoid to be honest. It could be someone talking bollocks to earn a quick buck, but we can't have a mini-Collins/Dunne on our hands. I would also worry about Austin's fitness at Prem level. If he's knocking them back at clubs too much (and god knows what else) maybe we're better off looking at someone better, and probably cheaper, abroad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on June 04, 2013, 10:02:26 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 04, 2013, 09:50:30 AM

Quote from: FatSam on June 04, 2013, 09:18:17 AM

I don't know if this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-22759753) has already been posted, but I would hope that this counts against him when it comes to signing for us.

I'd avoid to be honest. It could be someone talking bollocks to earn a quick buck, but we can't have a mini-Collins/Dunne on our hands. I would also worry about Austin's fitness at Prem level. If he's knocking them back at clubs too much (and god knows what else) maybe we're better off looking at someone better, and probably cheaper, abroad.

He's a MON-type signing, which is never a good thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 10:08:19 AM

If the Montpellier president is claiming we've bid I can't see why it wouldn't be true, but looking at the other clubs involved I doubt we've got a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on June 04, 2013, 10:11:38 AM

Charlie Austin sounds like a complete tool. After reading that I think theres no way we will sign him and I dont want us to - he has no future at B6, I hope....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2013, 10:19:43 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 04, 2013, 08:58:27 AM

After we bought Westwood it emerged that we had a 30 page dossier on him.

Wasn't it a 30 MATCH dossier?  Small details, but that is pretty much a whole season whereas look how well we've collectively filled over one hundred pages without actually saying anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2013, 10:22:53 AM

I see some scamp has already listed Belhanda as a Villa player on Wikipedia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 10:25:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Yes he is a little eccentric, but even with that I can't see there is anything to gain from saying we've bid if we haven't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 04, 2013, 10:32:45 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Davide Merde Bouche

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 04, 2013, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 10:25:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Yes he is a little eccentric, but even with that I can't see there is anything to gain from saying we've bid if we haven't.

He'd probably have more to gain by bandying round names such as AC Milan or Real to scare up the Chumps League teams.  Maybe we are the only team to have genuinely bid....huh??  As conspiracy theories go it's a runner, I'm gonna get on the blower to my old mate Icke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 11:05:01 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 04, 2013, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 10:25:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Yes he is a little eccentric, but even with that I can't see there is anything to gain from saying we've bid if we haven't.

He'd probably have more to gain by bandying round names such as AC Milan or Real to scare up the Chumps League teams.  Maybe we are the only team to have genuinely bid....huh??  As conspiracy theories go it's a runner, I'm gonna get on the blower to my old mate Icke.

He was probably just hallucinating and confusing us with Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 04, 2013, 12:36:11 PM

Inter and Milan are good teams to bury your career at.

I don't see why he wouldn't prefer a move to Birmingham. We've got more miles of canal than Milan for a start. And more Mosques for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 04, 2013, 12:42:50 PM

Belhanda is a really exciting player, although if he did come to England, I would be surprised if he didn't end up at Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2013, 12:49:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 04, 2013, 12:36:11 PM

Inter and Milan are good teams to bury your career at.

I don't see why he wouldn't prefer a move to Birmingham. We've got more miles of canal than Milan for a start. And more Mosques for that matter.

To the utter shame of Milan, they don't even have one Balti restaurant. What the hell would he eat in Italy?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 04, 2013, 12:57:03 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 04, 2013, 10:32:45 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Davide Merde Bouche

Monsieur Sale Gueule.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 01:03:35 PM

Some of you lot might as well be speaking bloody French for all the sense you're making.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 04, 2013, 01:08:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 01:03:35 PM

Some of you lot might as well be speaking bloody French for all the sense you're making.

Sacre fucking bleu, Percois. It's the transfer bollocks thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 04, 2013, 01:29:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

Makes more sense than jizzing over a letter from purple nose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2013, 01:43:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 11:05:01 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 04, 2013, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 10:25:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 10:09:55 AM

Isn't that Montpellier chairman completely hatstand, though?

He's always in that Observer 'Well, Fancy That!' style column, ranting about the gays or how he'll piss up the leg of his manager if results don't improve etc etc

He is the French Whelan.

Yes he is a little eccentric, but even with that I can't see there is anything to gain from saying we've bid if we haven't.

He'd probably have more to gain by bandying round names such as AC Milan or Real to scare up the Chumps League teams.  Maybe we are the only team to have genuinely bid....huh??  As conspiracy theories go it's a runner, I'm gonna get on the blower to my old mate Icke.

He was probably just hallucinating and confusing us with Arsenal.

That was my initial reaction and remains so. That sort of player is beyond us unless we know that the big man is off and we are looking at ways of replacing his goals in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 04, 2013, 02:02:44 PM

A few mentioned on here sound very much like 'Lambert type players':-

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/euroscout/european-u21-championships-ones-watch-171901101.html

Realistically, the players already in big European leagues are probably beyond us right now, but the ones from Israel, Norway and Holland could well be on oyr radar.  In particular, I like the sound of Taleb Twatha, Yann-Erik de Lanlay and Tonny Trindade de Vilhena.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 04, 2013, 02:13:00 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 04, 2013, 02:02:44 PM

A few mentioned on here sound very much like 'Lambert type players':-

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/euroscout/european-u21-championships-ones-watch-171901101.html

Realistically, the players already in big European leagues are probably beyond us right now, but the ones from Israel, Norway and Holland could well be on oyr radar.  In particular, I like the sound of Taleb Twatha, Yann-Erik de Lanlay and Tonny Trindade de Vilhena.

I wouldn't say the players in the big European leagues are beyond us, maybe the high profile players in those leagues. Look at Michu to Swansea for instance, there is still good value and availability in those leagues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 04, 2013, 02:37:32 PM

I was talking specifically about the younger players, but if you look at Michu's record he was a 1 in 5 striker before Swansea and it remains to be seen if he's a one season wonder or not.

I just think that the sort of young players we seem to target are not already in the PL, La Liga, etc, because if they are, they've already been 'spotted' and the price rockets. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2013, 02:46:52 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 04, 2013, 02:37:32 PM

I was talking specifically about the younger players, but if you look at Michu's record he was a 1 in 5 striker before Swansea

Maybe prior to that, but in the season before he joined them, he had 15 in 37, playing as an attacking midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 04, 2013, 01:08:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 01:03:35 PM

Some of you lot might as well be speaking bloody French for all the sense you're making.

Sacre fucking bleu, Percois. It's the transfer bollocks thread.

Percois. Like it. Thanks Etienne.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 04, 2013, 03:58:45 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 01:03:35 PM

Some of you lot might as well be speaking bloody French for all the sense you're making.

Il m'a percoit, Percois, qu'il a quelqu'un faché avec la direction qu'on a pris. J'espere que c'est pas toi...

Dans tout cas, on arrete des niaiseries, bon? Up le Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 04, 2013, 04:09:20 PM

Il y a un pseud dans la maison.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2013, 04:15:21 PM

more Del boy than De gaulle

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 04:17:04 PM

Eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2013, 04:24:47 PM

Quote from: Mrs Hilda Slag on June 04, 2013, 04:09:20 PM

Il y a un pseud dans la maison.

My hovercraft is full of eels?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 04, 2013, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Oui.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 04, 2013, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Oui.

It's all the same fucking mumbo-jumbo to me.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 04, 2013, 04:46:21 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 04, 2013, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Oui.

Mais oui!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 04, 2013, 06:22:00 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on June 04, 2013, 04:46:21 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 04, 2013, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Oui.

Mais oui!

As they say in Peckham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2013, 06:33:28 PM

we are the Creme de la menthe

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 04, 2013, 07:00:20 PM

Mange tout, mange tout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2013, 07:12:13 PM

Good to have tsvet back. Feel free to spout Bulgarian and stop the Francophiles, mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 07:12:55 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on June 04, 2013, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 04, 2013, 04:00:11 PM

Crikey, check out Plastic Bertrand.

Wasn't he Belgian?

Alright then, hark at Pepe le Pew.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 04, 2013, 07:20:31 PM

He went after Dempsey, Coutinho and god knows who else. He's clearly after a playmaker of some quality so I can buy we're after Belhanda. And why not. Fees aren't the issue and there will be enough wiggle room in the salary area now to ge a few relatively high earners.

Yes, we're apparently up against some heavy hitters but it doesn't mean we haven't got a chance. The PL is a big draw to some players and maybe being pretty much guaranteed a place in our starting XI is attractive too.
We're not so easily dismissed as the press would have you believe.
I understand he turned down some of the biggest teams in France to move to Montpellier so maybe his next move will be a surprise too.

Of course it would be a coup. I'm just excited that we're in for players like this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 04, 2013, 07:36:39 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 04, 2013, 07:00:20 PM

Mange tout, mange tout.

Not if you're Michael Douglas

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

Belhanda would be a real coup. Out of interest, which previous Villa signings were considered a coup at the time?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2013, 07:49:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

Belhanda would be a real coup. Out of interest, which previous Villa signings were considered a coup at the time?

Brian Little claimed we pipped Man utd to Mark Draper.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 04, 2013, 07:49:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

Belhanda would be a real coup. Out of interest, which previous Villa signings were considered a coup at the time?

Brian Little claimed we pipped Man utd to Mark Draper.

This the same Brian Little that turned down the chance to sign Roberto Carlos?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 04, 2013, 07:53:19 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

Belhanda would be a real coup. Out of interest, which previous Villa signings were considered a coup at the time?

We will get him if we give a Bakhanda

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2013, 07:54:24 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 04, 2013, 07:20:31 PM

He went after Dempsey, Coutinho and god knows who else. He's clearly after a playmaker of some quality so I can buy we're after Belhanda. And why not. Fees aren't the issue and there will be enough wiggle room in the salary area now to ge a few relatively high earners.

Yes, we're apparently up against some heavy hitters but it doesn't mean we haven't got a chance. The PL is a big draw to some players and maybe being pretty much guaranteed a place in our starting XI is attractive too.
We're not so easily dismissed as the press would have you believe.
I understand he turned down some of the biggest teams in France to move to Montpellier so maybe his next move will be a surprise too.

Of course it would be a coup. I'm just excited that we're in for players like this.

agree Maz. I think in many respects some people on here have battered wife syndrome. The club so often gives us a good kicking that the trust isn't always as it should be. Yet we love the club and keep coming back for more. We can be so quick to put ourselves down and it ends up being a downward spiral of misery, especially when our players get linked away, or good players get linked to us. No way can we ever hang on to good players and we'll never sign good players again. Yet the manager doesn't need to share in this. Why shouldn't Paul Lambert go after good players? The club have said that we need to get the finances in control and as much as anyone I trust Lambert to pay the right amount in fees and wages for good players. Not every player demands stupid money, and with good scouting we can attract both known and unknown players who actually want to play in the PL for a big English club. Aston Villa's history isn't 3 years old. It is much richer than that and unfortunately given our recent performances it is hard to think back to better times. But I believe better times are ahead and we need to sell that to new players. There are lots of great reasons to come to Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 04, 2013, 07:56:59 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 04, 2013, 07:49:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 04, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

Belhanda would be a real coup. Out of interest, which previous Villa signings were considered a coup at the time?

Brian Little claimed we pipped Man utd to Mark Draper.

This the same Brian Little that turned down the chance to sign Roberto Carlos?

Why would we need him when we had Alan Wright

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 04, 2013, 08:04:31 PM

I was chatting with a Lech Poznan supporter in work today who reckons Tonev will be a good signing for us.
He said is is already too good to be playing in the Polish League and his game has come on leaps and bounds in the past two seasons. With better players around him he will only get better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 04, 2013, 08:08:30 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 04, 2013, 08:04:31 PM

I was chatting with a Lech Poznan supporter in work today who reckons Tonev will be a good signing for us.
He said is is already too good to be playing in the Polish League and his game has come on leaps and bounds in the past two seasons. With better players around him he will only get better.

So, we just need to find a few more playes to bring in then!  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:11:09 PM

If we sign Belhanda I will get his name tatooed on my bellend....a

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 04, 2013, 08:12:00 PM

I think villa may well be in for players mentioned like last season but need one more progressive season for players like dempsy, coutinho to move here. Great to be linked with belandha and any players of this ilk. Villa and premier league are attractions its just where we are at moment established players will have several options.

Alex pearce would be a good signing reading centre half on a free. Offers a threat at set pieces and readings best defender last season. Newcastle and Liverpool interested. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 04, 2013, 08:14:11 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:11:09 PM

If we sign Belhanda I will get his name tatooed on my bellend....a

His full name, with each letter an inch apart ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 04, 2013, 08:14:11 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:11:09 PM

If we sign Belhanda I will get his name tatooed on my bellend....a

His full name, with each letter an inch apart ?

Initials. Joined up writing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 04, 2013, 08:35:33 PM

Font size 1.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 11:37:04 PM

When I was really into sports labels I had Adidas tattoed on my member. Put the ladies off though as when flacid it said AIDS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 12:04:05 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 11:37:04 PM

When I was really into sports labels I had Adidas tattoed on my member. Put the ladies off though as when flacid it said AIDS.

Show off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 12:06:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 12:04:05 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2013, 11:37:04 PM

When I was really into sports labels I had Adidas tattoed on my member. Put the ladies off though as when flacid it said AIDS.

Show off

And on cold day the ladies were left asking who Adam was and why Percy had his cock. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2013, 12:21:01 AM

I got my favourite word tattooed on the old chap: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 05, 2013, 12:27:25 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2013, 12:21:01 AM

I got my favourite word tattooed on the old chap: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

In binary.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: D.boy on June 05, 2013, 12:46:23 AM

Nah, he thought it was braille but it turned out to be a severe case of genital warts!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 07:27:34 AM

The euro under 21 championships start today and I for 1 hope Villa have a few scouts on the games. Can pick up some quality developing players -for example spurs signed holtby who German Under 21 captain for under £3 mil. Villa could prob make a few signings not just Englands tom ince who is one to buy but the other nations may have cheaper players. Will watch this tournament with interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 07:31:56 AM

Tonev  supposedly arrived in Birmingham yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 05, 2013, 08:05:53 AM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-wait-4051241

Maybe we are all getting ahead of ourselves!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2013, 08:10:49 AM

Kendrick's match reports and tactical analysis are pretty weak, but he's got a good track record with transfers so I trust him on this. I suggest the three links so far indicate we're after a creative midfielder or two, but far from having anything tied up.

And this in spite of Tonev having flown into the country every day for a week!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 05, 2013, 08:20:51 AM

Kendrick seems to be basing his theory of no bids yet on the fact Lambert is on holiday, which i would hope wouldn't make an ounce of difference nowadays. The whole club waiting on the manager to get back from Filey is so Pubehead-era Villa and i'd have hoped we've moved on since then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:05:44 AM

Defoe.......oh no

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:10:11 AM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 04, 2013, 08:14:11 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 04, 2013, 08:11:09 PM

If we sign Belhanda I will get his name tatooed on my bellend....a

His full name, with each letter an inch apart ?

Initials. Joined up writing.

Arabic script?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2013, 09:22:30 AM

the penis humour reminds me of something my boss did last year (selective quoting is infantile!) we had a conference call to our parent company in the States and he had been in tough discussions, during which he had been writing furiously for about 15 mins - he then held up his paper to me and it was the most michelangelo-like penis with the words 'fucking pricks' on top.

We are both with different companies now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 05, 2013, 09:30:20 AM

To the few who would a Carroll upon us apparently he wants a wage hike following the last glorious 2.5 years

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2013, 09:38:00 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 05, 2013, 09:30:20 AM

To the few who would a Carroll upon us apparently he wants a wage hike following the last glorious 2.5 years

he's going to really do somebody a 'Zigic'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 09:41:48 AM

Ivelin Popov from Kuban Krasnodar in Russia is today's pick of the bunch.

Does he have a bad case of genital warts or an Arabic script tattoo on his knob ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:57:20 AM

That reminds me Dan of ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!

In the harems of Egypt it's good to behold
The fairest of harlots appear,
But the fairest, a Greek
Was owned by a sheik!
Named Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

A traveling brothel came into the town
Run by a pimp from afar
Whose great reputation
Had traveled the nation:
'Twas Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Abdul the Bulbul arrived with his bride
A prize whose eyes shone like a star
He claimed he could prong
More ****** with his dong
Than Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

A day was arranged for the spectacle great;
A visit was planned by the Czar!
And the curbs were all lined
With harlots reclined
n honour of Ivan Skavar!

They met on the track with their tools hanging slack
Dressed only in shoes and a leer,
Both were fast on the rise
But folks gasped at the size
Of Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

The ****** were all shorn, and no rubbers adorned
The prongs of the pimp and the peer,
But the pimp's steady stroke
Soon left without hope
The chance of the Bulbul Emir!

They worked thru the night til the dawn's early light
The clamor was heard from afar
The multitudes came
To applaud the ball game
Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar!

When Ivan had finished, he turned to the Greek,
And laughed when she shivered in fear
She swallowed his pride,
He buggered the bride
Of Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

When Ivan was done, and was wiping his gun,
He bent down to polish his gear;
He felt, up his ass,
A hard pecker pass;
'Twas Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

The crowd loudly howled that it was a foul,
They were ordered to part, by the Czar,
But fast they were jammed;
The pecker was crammed
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Now, the cream of the joke, when apart they were broke
Was laughed at for years by the Czar:
For Abdul the Bulbul
Left most of his tool
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

The fair Grecian maiden a sad vigil keeps
With a husband whose tastes have turned queer...
She longs for the dong
That once did belong
To Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

@parody @bawdy @contest
filename[ ABDULBL2
TUNE FILE: ABDULBUL
CLICK TO PLAY
AJS

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 10:03:44 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:57:20 AM

That reminds me Dan of ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!

In the harems of Egypt it's good to behold
The fairest of harlots appear,
But the fairest, a Greek
Was owned by a sheik!
Named Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

A traveling brothel came into the town
Run by a pimp from afar
Whose great reputation
Had traveled the nation:
'Twas Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Abdul the Bulbul arrived with his bride
A prize whose eyes shone like a star
He claimed he could prong
More c***s with his dong
Than Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

A day was arranged for the spectacle great;
A visit was planned by the Czar!
And the curbs were all lined
With harlots reclined
n honour of Ivan Skavar!

They met on the track with their tools hanging slack
Dressed only in shoes and a leer,
Both were fast on the rise
But folks gasped at the size
Of Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

The c***s were all shorn, and no rubbers adorned
The prongs of the pimp and the peer,
But the pimp's steady stroke
Soon left without hope
The chance of the Bulbul Emir!

They worked thru the night til the dawn's early light
The clamor was heard from afar
The multitudes came
To applaud the ball game
Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar!

When Ivan had finished, he turned to the Greek,
And laughed when she shivered in fear
She swallowed his pride,
He buggered the bride
Of Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

When Ivan was done, and was wiping his gun,
He bent down to polish his gear;
He felt, up his ass,
A hard pecker pass;
'Twas Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

The crowd loudly howled that it was a foul,
They were ordered to part, by the Czar,
But fast they were jammed;
The pecker was crammed
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Now, the cream of the joke, when apart they were broke
Was laughed at for years by the Czar:
For Abdul the Bulbul
Left most of his tool
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

The fair Grecian maiden a sad vigil keeps
With a husband whose tastes have turned queer...
She longs for the dong
That once did belong
To Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

@parody @bawdy @contest
filename[ ABDULBL2
TUNE FILE: ABDULBUL
CLICK TO PLAY
AJS

That is class mate. Makes me want to start The Green Eyed Yellow Idol From The North Of Katmandoo. I will narrate if you can do the hand signs. Deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 05, 2013, 12:07:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 10:03:44 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:57:20 AM

That reminds me Dan of ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!

In the harems of Egypt it's good to behold
The fairest of harlots appear,
But the fairest, a Greek
Was owned by a sheik!
Named Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

A traveling brothel came into the town
Run by a pimp from afar
Whose great reputation
Had traveled the nation:
'Twas Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Abdul the Bulbul arrived with his bride
A prize whose eyes shone like a star
He claimed he could prong
More c***s with his dong
Than Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

A day was arranged for the spectacle great;
A visit was planned by the Czar!
And the curbs were all lined
With harlots reclined
n honour of Ivan Skavar!

They met on the track with their tools hanging slack
Dressed only in shoes and a leer,
Both were fast on the rise
But folks gasped at the size
Of Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

The c***s were all shorn, and no rubbers adorned
The prongs of the pimp and the peer,
But the pimp's steady stroke
Soon left without hope
The chance of the Bulbul Emir!

They worked thru the night til the dawn's early light
The clamor was heard from afar
The multitudes came
To applaud the ball game
Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar!

When Ivan had finished, he turned to the Greek,
And laughed when she shivered in fear
She swallowed his pride,
He buggered the bride
Of Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

When Ivan was done, and was wiping his gun,
He bent down to polish his gear;
He felt, up his ass,
A hard pecker pass;
'Twas Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

The crowd loudly howled that it was a foul,
They were ordered to part, by the Czar,
But fast they were jammed;
The pecker was crammed
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Now, the cream of the joke, when apart they were broke
Was laughed at for years by the Czar:
For Abdul the Bulbul
Left most of his tool
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

The fair Grecian maiden a sad vigil keeps
With a husband whose tastes have turned queer...
She longs for the dong
That once did belong
To Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

@parody @bawdy @contest
filename[ ABDULBL2
TUNE FILE: ABDULBUL
CLICK TO PLAY
AJS

That is class mate. Makes me want to start The Green Eyed Yellow Idol From The North Of Katmandoo. I will narrate if you can do the hand signs. Deal.

Is this the Good Old Days?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 12:09:17 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 10:03:44 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 05, 2013, 09:57:20 AM

That reminds me Dan of ABDUL EL BULBUL, EMIR!

In the harems of Egypt it's good to behold
The fairest of harlots appear,
But the fairest, a Greek
Was owned by a sheik!
Named Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

A traveling brothel came into the town
Run by a pimp from afar
Whose great reputation
Had traveled the nation:
'Twas Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Abdul the Bulbul arrived with his bride
A prize whose eyes shone like a star
He claimed he could prong
More c***s with his dong
Than Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

A day was arranged for the spectacle great;
A visit was planned by the Czar!
And the curbs were all lined
With harlots reclined
n honour of Ivan Skavar!

They met on the track with their tools hanging slack
Dressed only in shoes and a leer,
Both were fast on the rise
But folks gasped at the size
Of Abdul el Bulbul Emir!

The c***s were all shorn, and no rubbers adorned
The prongs of the pimp and the peer,
But the pimp's steady stroke
Soon left without hope
The chance of the Bulbul Emir!

They worked thru the night til the dawn's early light
The clamor was heard from afar
The multitudes came
To applaud the ball game
Of Abdul and Ivan Skavar!

When Ivan had finished, he turned to the Greek,
And laughed when she shivered in fear
She swallowed his pride,
He buggered the bride
Of Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

When Ivan was done, and was wiping his gun,
He bent down to polish his gear;
He felt, up his ass,
A hard pecker pass;
'Twas Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

The crowd loudly howled that it was a foul,
They were ordered to part, by the Czar,
But fast they were jammed;
The pecker was crammed
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

Now, the cream of the joke, when apart they were broke
Was laughed at for years by the Czar:
For Abdul the Bulbul
Left most of his tool
In Ivan Skidavitsky Skavar!

The fair Grecian maiden a sad vigil keeps
With a husband whose tastes have turned queer...
She longs for the dong
That once did belong
To Abdul el Bulbul, Emir!

@parody @bawdy @contest
filename[ ABDULBL2
TUNE FILE: ABDULBUL
CLICK TO PLAY
AJS

That is class mate. Makes me want to start The Green Eyed Yellow Idol From The North Of Katmandoo. I will narrate if you can do the hand signs. Deal.

Please don't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 12:10:10 PM

In the days before Internet pornography, there were only rude songs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on June 05, 2013, 12:10:28 PM

Belhanda seems quite keen on the move.


"I have told everyone that England will be my first choice.
"Aston Villa is a great club with a big history playing in the best league in the world, so let's see what will happen."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 12:12:11 PM

Doesn't he mean Tottenham? I am confused

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on June 05, 2013, 12:13:21 PM

Sounds mildly promising.  Sign him up!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 12:31:56 PM

Quote from: frank black on June 05, 2013, 12:10:28 PM

Belhanda seems quite keen on the move.


"I have told everyone that England will be my first choice.
"Aston Villa is a great club with a big history playing in the best league in the world, so let's see what will happen."

Bloody hell, sign him!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 05, 2013, 12:43:09 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 12:31:56 PM

Quote from: frank black on June 05, 2013, 12:10:28 PM

Belhanda seems quite keen on the move.


"I have told everyone that England will be my first choice.
"Aston Villa is a great club with a big history playing in the best league in the world, so let's see what will happen."

Bloody hell, sign him!

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 05, 2013, 12:48:42 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 05, 2013, 12:43:09 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 12:31:56 PM

Quote from: frank black on June 05, 2013, 12:10:28 PM

Belhanda seems quite keen on the move.


"I have told everyone that England will be my first choice.
"Aston Villa is a great club with a big history playing in the best league in the world, so let's see what will happen."

Bloody hell, sign him!

This.

not sure of the best league in the world bit....he got everything else right though...

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 01:02:27 PM

He forgot to add "but the manager's on holiday, so fuck 'em".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2013, 01:08:56 PM

Where's that quote from? Sounds too good to be true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2013, 01:11:29 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2013, 01:08:56 PM

Where's that quote from? Sounds too good to be true.

Is on SSN, in the transfer centre bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richie on June 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Has Belhanda "done a Benteke", and got us mixed up with Arsenal again ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 05, 2013, 01:31:50 PM

Nothing in the quote about 'Bright Future'?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:33:45 PM

Quote from: Richie on June 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Has Belhanda "done a Benteke", and got us mixed up with Arsenal again ?

Maybe that's how we should market ourselves to these geographically challenegd foreigners? In the London suberb of Birmingham yes, yes, we're Arsenal.

To be honest, we've probably got more chance of winning something than Arsenal, especially if we sign a load of quality players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2013, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:33:45 PM

Quote from: Richie on June 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Has Belhanda "done a Benteke", and got us mixed up with Arsenal again ?

Maybe that's how we should market ourselves to these geographically challenegd foreigners? In the London suberb of Birmingham yes, yes, we're Arsenal.

To be honest, we've probably got more chance of winning something than Arsenal, especially if we sign a load of quality players.

But we don't enter the Birmingham Senior Cup anymore (much to Plumbutt Cooper's annoyance).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:47:26 PM

Also those saying we wouldn't pay that much for a player, I'm not sure £11.9 million is that much when you consider how much money we'll be receiving from TV revenue this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 05, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

A signing like Belhanda would also show Benteke we mean business and make him less interested in any offer that may come in during the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:49:35 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2013, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:33:45 PM

Quote from: Richie on June 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Has Belhanda "done a Benteke", and got us mixed up with Arsenal again ?

Maybe that's how we should market ourselves to these geographically challenegd foreigners? In the London suberb of Birmingham yes, yes, we're Arsenal.

To be honest, we've probably got more chance of winning something than Arsenal, especially if we sign a load of quality players.

But we don't enter the Birmingham Senior Cup anymore (much to Plumbutt Cooper's annoyance).

We can't, as we're from North London.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:49:55 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 05, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

A signing like Belhanda would also show Benteke we mean business and make him less interested in any offer that may come in during the summer.

It would be great, but we'll see I guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:47:26 PM

Also those saying we wouldn't pay that much for a player, I'm not sure £11.9 million is that much when you consider how much money we'll be receiving from TV revenue this year.

I was saying to my better half on the way to work this morning about how money will be inflated, if you have clubs like West Ham making £14 million bids for players.

She just stared at me blankly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 01:53:52 PM

As much as I believe Lambert and the direction he wants to take the club and is taking the club, I'm sure it's not lost on him that we also need to surround our best players with other very good players. It's a message about intent, and while I'm a fan of the unknown as much as anyone, especially as we have unearthed some real gems, it also instils confidence in the other players to have proven quality standing next to them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 01:58:25 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:47:26 PM

Also those saying we wouldn't pay that much for a player, I'm not sure £11.9 million is that much when you consider how much money we'll be receiving from TV revenue this year.

I was saying to my better half on the way to work this morning about how money will be inflated, if you have clubs like West Ham making £14 million bids for players.

She just stared at me blankly.

The other night in bed I was telling my missus how I blagged two hours extra overtime when in actual fact I left early because it was the day of the Fulham game, and she actually fell asleep while I was talking to her.

Funny,  she gets really upset if I do that while she's talking to me, whereas I just put Babestation on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on June 05, 2013, 02:04:33 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:47:26 PM

Also those saying we wouldn't pay that much for a player, I'm not sure £11.9 million is that much when you consider how much money we'll be receiving from TV revenue this year.

I was saying to my better half on the way to work this morning about how money will be inflated, if you have clubs like West Ham making £14 million bids for players.

She just stared at me blankly.

On the rare occasion that I venture to talk about such things in our house, the missus normally just tells me to 'Ah, shaddap' or, with a mangled attempt at a Brummy accent, 'shurddup'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2013, 02:09:39 PM

Quote from: fbriai on June 05, 2013, 02:04:33 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 05, 2013, 01:47:26 PM

Also those saying we wouldn't pay that much for a player, I'm not sure £11.9 million is that much when you consider how much money we'll be receiving from TV revenue this year.

I was saying to my better half on the way to work this morning about how money will be inflated, if you have clubs like West Ham making £14 million bids for players.

She just stared at me blankly.

On the rare occasion that I venture to talk about such things in our house, the missus normally just tells me to 'Ah, shaddap' or, with a mangled attempt at a Brummy accent, 'shurddup'.

Surely she says 'Shaddap you face'?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on June 05, 2013, 02:23:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 05, 2013, 02:09:39 PM

Quote from: fbriai on June 05, 2013, 02:04:33 PM

On the rare occasion that I venture to talk about such things in our house, the missus normally just tells me to 'Ah, shaddap' or, with a mangled attempt at a Brummy accent, 'shurddup'.

Surely she says 'Shaddap you face'?

He he. That's made me smile.

I'll try to use it during dinner this evening and see what kind of reaction it gets.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 02:25:27 PM

Whenever I start talking about football my wife gets her laptop out and starts working on her tax return

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 05, 2013, 02:32:11 PM

Tonev on his way to Brum to finalise move!

http://avillafan.com/site/6191/tonev-in-brum-to-complete-villa-move/?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 05, 2013, 02:53:24 PM

My wife knows nothing about football....and thats the way I like it !!

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:20:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

I bet your phone bills are massive. In a " I am feeling lonely tonight. Shall i, shall i. Fuck it, i will phone." And you get through to some spotty arsed, gargantuan, smelly bird called " Peaches" who costs you twenty quid for a wank. Bollox to that, few beers down the local, back home to PornHub and away you go. And the cost is not twenty quid. Sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 03:28:33 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

nah, I catch it when I come home. I find it hilarious with those girls waving the phone and bouncing their boobs endlessly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:20:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

I bet your phone bills are massive. In a " I am feeling lonely tonight. Shall i, shall i. Fuck it, i will phone." And you get through to some spotty arsed, gargantuan, smelly bird called " Peaches" who costs you twenty quid for a wank. Bollox to that, few beers down the local, back home to PornHub and away you go. And the cost is not twenty quid. Sorted.

H&V, for all your low-cost masturbation advice

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:39:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:20:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

I bet your phone bills are massive. In a " I am feeling lonely tonight. Shall i, shall i. Fuck it, i will phone." And you get through to some spotty arsed, gargantuan, smelly bird called " Peaches" who costs you twenty quid for a wank. Bollox to that, few beers down the local, back home to PornHub and away you go. And the cost is not twenty quid. Sorted.

H&V, for all your low-cost masturbation advice

This site covers everything. Bloody marvelous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 03:45:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:39:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:20:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

I bet your phone bills are massive. In a " I am feeling lonely tonight. Shall i, shall i. Fuck it, i will phone." And you get through to some spotty arsed, gargantuan, smelly bird called " Peaches" who costs you twenty quid for a wank. Bollox to that, few beers down the local, back home to PornHub and away you go. And the cost is not twenty quid. Sorted.

H&V, for all your low-cost masturbation advice

This site covers everything. Bloody marvelous.

it's all inclusive therapy. One couch, numerous topics. Endless ridicule and shame.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2013, 04:48:29 PM

I can't see us getting Belhander, Tonev and Popov. I'd guess that Tonev is pretty close to joining. He'd be more likely to start on the bench. Belhander would probably be the more ambitious signing, who'd probably take Gabby or Wiemanns place off the bat (if we stick with the 4-3-3).

I'd guess Popov could be the back up to either of those deals not coming through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 05, 2013, 05:01:49 PM

Tonev has been reported to be in Birmingham that many times. I bet even he is watching Babestation stuck in some room in Warmley !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2013, 05:05:25 PM

I have no idea what he looks like so I might have seen him in Birmingham. I'm assuming dark-haired.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2013, 05:06:22 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 03:36:00 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 05, 2013, 03:20:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 03:08:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 02:03:37 PM

I keep babestation on only in the hope that one of the girls accidentally in all that arse and tit jiggling reveals their twat. It never happens but it helps pass the night.

Babestation? You are online TV! The internet was created solely for men to google porn!

I bet your phone bills are massive. In a " I am feeling lonely tonight. Shall i, shall i. Fuck it, i will phone." And you get through to some spotty arsed, gargantuan, smelly bird called " Peaches" who costs you twenty quid for a wank. Bollox to that, few beers down the local, back home to PornHub and away you go. And the cost is not twenty quid. Sorted.

H&V, for all your low-cost masturbation advice

To be honest if we make two signings in a week it's liable to have me throwing one off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 05, 2013, 05:28:53 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2013, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 05, 2013, 01:33:45 PM

Quote from: Richie on June 05, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Has Belhanda "done a Benteke", and got us mixed up with Arsenal again ?

Maybe that's how we should market ourselves to these geographically challenegd foreigners? In the London suberb of Birmingham yes, yes, we're Arsenal.

To be honest, we've probably got more chance of winning something than Arsenal, especially if we sign a load of quality players.

But we don't enter the Birmingham Senior Cup anymore (much to Plumbutt Cooper's annoyance).

Don't start me off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:36:11 PM

Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 05, 2013, 05:41:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:36:11 PM

Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.

 Dunne, Lichaj and Marshall all leave after their contracts expired while on-loan Dawkins returns to Spurs and Makoun joins Rennes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2013, 05:43:13 PM

erm who is Belhanda ? Never heard of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 05:46:58 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2013, 05:43:13 PM

erm who is Belhanda ? Never heard of him.

video clicky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9AHU1EQno) - he's the real deal, would be a fantastic signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 05, 2013, 05:55:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:36:11 PM

Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.

I'd forgotten all about Makoun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:58:27 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Never heard of him. But I like this from Wiki "Okore is considered a capable and aggressive defender, who is calm on the ball and a good reader of the game, with leadership qualities."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 05:59:07 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:36:11 PM

Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.

Shame about Lichaj really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 05:59:10 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

We've been linked to him before, January I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 06:01:29 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

I read this a little earlier. Never heard of him (which is not a bad thing) but as rumours go it's possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 06:02:56 PM

I love Danish international centre-halves. If I was a manager I'd buy no other sort. Except McGrath and possibly the odd Swede.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2013, 06:06:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:58:27 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Never heard of him.

I wonder how many times that comment will be made this summer?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2013, 06:08:18 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 06:01:29 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

I read this a little earlier. Never heard of him (which is not a bad thing) but as rumours go it's possible.

I paid £3m for him last week on Championship Manager, and he's been very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2013, 06:15:17 PM

Sounds as if Lambert will try his best to get his business done quickly. The longer we give new lads to bed in over summer, the better. Not that signing last day did Tekkers any harm.

It would be nice to get 5-6 players in by August, Lambert to say "Job done" then we can chill out for the rest of the month. Particularly if also get Andy and CB to sign new deals in the next 6 weeks too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 05, 2013, 06:18:18 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2013, 06:06:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 05:58:27 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Never heard of him.

I wonder how many times that comment will be made this summer?

hopefully a lot

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 06:22:02 PM

20 year old central defender for over 3 million from Denmark would give the impression, based on the fee, that he is pretty highly rated. Linked heavily with Man united last season, and did well against Chelsea in the champions league according to the write up I have just read.

Got to love the links so far. No one over 25, and all seem to be pretty highly rated in their own places.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 06:22:41 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2013, 06:08:18 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 06:01:29 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

I read this a little earlier. Never heard of him (which is not a bad thing) but as rumours go it's possible.

I paid £3m for him last week on Championship Manager, and he's been very good.

I've just taken Nottingham Forest to the Champions League, and have turned down job offers from Everton and Spurs. Waiting for something bigger like Villa, who having fired Lambert are struggling again under, wait for it...Dougie fucking Freedman. I'm sticking to the Lambert philosophy of young and hungry and have just snapped up this French lad Fousseyni Cissé, 6ft 5 to lead my forward line alongside Simon Cox and Jelle Vossen who I acquired from Genk last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2013, 06:30:26 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 06:22:02 PM

20 year old central defender for over 3 million from Denmark would give the impression, based on the fee, that he is pretty highly rated. Linked heavily with Man united last season, and did well against Chelsea in the champions league according to the write up I have just read.

Got to love the links so far. No one over 25, and all seem to be pretty highly rated in their own places.

No one over 25 except for Jermain Defoe who we're definitely signing because The Mirror said so. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2013, 06:43:40 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 06:22:41 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 05, 2013, 06:08:18 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 06:01:29 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

I read this a little earlier. Never heard of him (which is not a bad thing) but as rumours go it's possible.

I paid £3m for him last week on Championship Manager, and he's been very good.

I've just taken Nottingham Forest to the Champions League, and have turned down job offers from Everton and Spurs. Waiting for something bigger like Villa, who having fired Lambert are struggling again under, wait for it...Dougie fucking Freedman. I'm sticking to the Lambert philosophy of young and hungry and have just snapped up this French lad Fousseyni Cissé, 6ft 5 to lead my forward line alongside Simon Cox and Jelle Vossen who I acquired from Genk last season.

I've taken Sheffield Utd to the Champions Leage in three seasons, whilst Villa are halfway down the Championship with Curbishley in charge.

I'm gonna finish this season then ride in to the rescue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 05, 2013, 06:51:37 PM

Okore looks like a rum chap alright. To be so highly thought of that he's a full international at 20 bodes well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 06:52:50 PM

Quote

Danish defender Jores Okore fears that his long-awaited summer move could fall through due to the fact that the FC Nordsjaelland has increased the asking price after a good run in the Champions League.

Okore has his heart set on leaving the Danish club after impressing in the Champions League, with his breakthrough appearance coming again Chelsea last year in October, where Okore did well against striker Fernando Torres.

The 20-year-old defender has previously been linked to a host of Premier League clubs but despite his willingness to leave he has yet been offered a way out. He now fears that the club's valuation has deterred interest.

"If the clubs don't think that I've been good enough in the last couple of months then I would be disappointed as I have proven myself in the last two and a half years in the Danish league," Okore told sporten.dk.

"I can understand that the club has tried to raise the price and squeeze af much money out of a potential deal as possible.

"And I guess that shows that FC Nordsjaelland believes that they would have a hard time replacing me. I take that as a compliment but I hope that they can be realistic about the valuation so I can leave."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2013, 06:55:18 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 06:52:50 PM

Quote

Danish defender Jores Okore fears that his long-awaited summer move could fall through due to the fact that the FC Nordsjaelland has increased the asking price after a good run in the Champions League.

Okore has his heart set on leaving the Danish club after impressing in the Champions League, with his breakthrough appearance coming again Chelsea last year in October, where Okore did well against striker Fernando Torres.

The 20-year-old defender has previously been linked to a host of Premier League clubs but despite his willingness to leave he has yet been offered a way out. He now fears that the club's valuation has deterred interest.

"If the clubs don't think that I've been good enough in the last couple of months then I would be disappointed as I have proven myself in the last two and a half years in the Danish league," Okore told sporten.dk.

"I can understand that the club has tried to raise the price and squeeze af much money out of a potential deal as possible.

"And I guess that shows that FC Nordsjaelland believes that they would have a hard time replacing me. I take that as a compliment but I hope that they can be realistic about the valuation so I can leave."

Jolly good work Mr Shin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on June 05, 2013, 06:59:52 PM

Martin Laursen mark 2 hopefully

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 05, 2013, 07:02:33 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2013, 05:43:13 PM

erm who is Belhanda ? Never heard of him.

A really good player. He'd be the most exciting signing at Villa for quite a while. Which is why it won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 05, 2013, 07:33:15 PM

Jores Okore is playing for Denmark tonight against Georgia. He is quoted having said today "there have been mentioned so many clubs, but Aston Villa sounds interesting". He and his agent are not aware of a bid from Villa, but according to the agent, they will propably not be informed by his club, FC Nordsjælland, before a bid has been accepted. According to the Danish paper, a bid of around 3 million pound was rejected, but Villa are expected to come back.

I would like Okore at Villa. He is far from the finished article, but he has lot of potential. He is very strong and I think the Premier League would suit him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 07:37:30 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 05, 2013, 07:33:15 PM

Jores Okore is playing for Denmark tonight against Georgia. He is quoted having said today "there have been mentioned so many clubs, but Aston Villa sounds interesting". He and his agent are not aware of a bid from Villa, but according to the agent, they will propably not be informed by his club, FC Nordsjælland, before a bid has been accepted. According to the Danish paper, a bid of around 3 million pound was rejected, but Villa are expected to come back.

I would like Okore at Villa. He is far from the finished article, but he has lot of potential. He is very strong and I think the Premier League would suit him.

A-Ha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 07:39:36 PM

Reading those quotes, I imagine him in chunky knitwear staring moodily across the Skagerrak, musing on the fabled greatness of the Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 07:41:06 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 05, 2013, 07:33:15 PM

Jores Okore is playing for Denmark tonight against Georgia. He is quoted having said today "there have been mentioned so many clubs, but Aston Villa sounds interesting". He and his agent are not aware of a bid from Villa, but according to the agent, they will propably not be informed by his club, FC Nordsjælland, before a bid has been accepted. According to the Danish paper, a bid of around 3 million pound was rejected, but Villa are expected to come back.

I would like Okore at Villa. He is far from the finished article, but he has lot of potential. He is very strong and I think the Premier League would suit him.

Thank you for the insight!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 07:41:50 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 07:39:36 PM

Reading those quotes, I imagine him in chunky knitwear staring moodily across the Skagerrak, musing on the fabled greatness of the Villa

the last thing we need is another bloke turning up to sign for the club in a fancy sweater. You do recall how the last one ended up don't you?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 08:03:30 PM

Can we send Mellberg and Laursen to tell him all about the Villa? I'm sure they'd give us a good reference.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 08:08:24 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2013, 06:22:02 PM

20 year old central defender for over 3 million from Denmark would give the impression, based on the fee, that he is pretty highly rated. Linked heavily with Man united last season, and did well against Chelsea in the champions league according to the write up I have just read.

Got to love the links so far. No one over 25, and all seem to be pretty highly rated in their own places.

agreed. Not one link with the exception of Defoe which we can discount entirely as wishful thinking bollocks has made me go, hmmm...now that's interesting..Young up and coming players who want to play in the PL and have a bright future. Not one Jermaine Jenas type or any number of players from English football's overpaid has-beens list.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 05, 2013, 08:13:56 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 07:39:36 PM

Reading those quotes, I imagine him in chunky knitwear staring moodily across the Skagerrak, musing on the fabled greatness of the Villa

With a freshly killed fallow deer hanging from his maw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 05, 2013, 08:56:26 PM

?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 05, 2013, 08:57:31 PM

I think it's testimony to the sheer hypocrisy of football fans - myself included - that if Belhanda and this Danish bloke talk up moving to Villa whilst at their current clubs, we take it as an encouraging sign.

In two years, when they're saying similar things about Man U, we'll accuse them of being ungrateful, money grabbing bastards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 05, 2013, 08:58:05 PM

As my old Nan used to say, "wish in one hand and shit in the other and see what comes first!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 05, 2013, 09:01:55 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 05, 2013, 07:41:06 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 05, 2013, 07:33:15 PM

Jores Okore is playing for Denmark tonight against Georgia. He is quoted having said today "there have been mentioned so many clubs, but Aston Villa sounds interesting". He and his agent are not aware of a bid from Villa, but according to the agent, they will propably not be informed by his club, FC Nordsjælland, before a bid has been accepted. According to the Danish paper, a bid of around 3 million pound was rejected, but Villa are expected to come back.

I would like Okore at Villa. He is far from the finished article, but he has lot of potential. He is very strong and I think the Premier League would suit him.

Thank you for the insight!

One of the few Danish players to look half decent tonight.

He did OK in the wankfest league, but like a lot of FCN players got found out a bit when trying to play a bit too much football against far superior oposition.

In terms of footballing philosophy I can see why Lambert might be interested.

P.S. Andreas Cornelius has looked absolute gash tonight (in my opinion) he has developed the knack of showing excellent movement to come away from where the ball has just been played to, or move in tight to a defender just as the ball is played up to him.  Scoring shedloads in the Danish Supaliga doesn't prove a lot, especially when you're playing for FCK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

did you type that with your feet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 09:06:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

11 new players, are you mad?

So popov, belhnda, tonev, murphy, sinclair and mcgeady all play as attacking midfielders, either wide or central, 2 from those 6 is the max.

Jensen and Rudd - We have one of the best keepers in the league from last season and one of the most highly rated young goalkeepers in europe and you want to sign 2 more - I think there's a good chance we'll sign 1 though.

Cresswell I can go with but I think someone who can play left and right is more likely.

Altidore I disagree on the choice but I agree with the role.

A new centre back is one we clearly need (only 1 though because Baker and Clark are good enough to not be dismissed), Pearce is the only one of the names given who is premier league quality and he's only barely that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 05, 2013, 09:21:01 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2013, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

did you type that with your feet?

Toronto . dont be so horrible !!!


the guy was drinking his special brew with his feet , he types with his fingers..


*only kidding Villa kicks *

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 10:05:21 PM

it was the ravings of an utter knob head so I think he was pissed, decided to put on babe station an have wank but ended up typing flaccid bollocks with his knob

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:09:25 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 09:06:11 PM

So popov, belhnda, tonev, murphy, sinclair and mcgeady all play as attacking midfielders, either wide or central, 2 from those 6 is the max.

It always amaze me when people saying things like we need to get that Popov or that Tonev bloke in, he's just what we need yada yada, when really, unless they're keen watchers of the Polish league, they have actually made that decision based on a youtube compilation some teenager has put together of their best bits, or they play a lot of Football Manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 05, 2013, 10:12:54 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

You deserve a ban for suggesting we sign Sean St. Ledger alone. He's an abomination!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 10:19:38 PM

Christ I remember when St Ledger was on that Barry Fry programme. He's like Lee Hendrie, a promising youngster regardless of how old he gets.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2013, 10:25:46 PM

He's not that good really, plenty of interest at Preston but he went to Boro, was poor there and has bobbed around championship clubs ever since.

Liking the link to the dane, it's the law that in football history there has never been a bad Scandinavian centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 10:27:30 PM

I remember Torben Piechnik being pretty shit at Racist FC.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:33:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 10:27:30 PM

I remember Torben Piechnik being pretty shit at Racist FC.

Also at Liverpool, Kvarme.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2013, 10:55:13 PM

Could add that Kroldrup bloke at Everton who played against us once on boxing day, they lost 4-0 and Everton sold him as soon as the window opened. Did well in Italy though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 05, 2013, 10:59:48 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2013, 10:25:46 PM

He's not that good really, plenty of interest at Preston but he went to Boro, was poor there and has bobbed around championship clubs ever since.

Liking the link to the dane, it's the law that in football history there has never been a bad Scandinavian centre half.

You should try watching SupaLiga.  Commedy defending that makes ours look like Arsenal under George Graham!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 11:08:11 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 10:05:21 PM

it was the ravings of an utter knob head so I think he was pissed, decided to put on babe station an have wank but ended up typing flaccid bollocks with his knob

i may not be the best typer or the most coherent but im a nice person and you don't intimidate me nice try but i won't insult u back feel sorry for u actually mate if you have to communicate to me like that on a forum to make a point. Well done you look so cool in front of everyone making fun at someone else's expect. Im sorrie you think im an utter knob just so you i don't have any thoughts on you just your behaviour is rude and insulting. Thanks for helping me build character coz i know im awesome now and you or nobody else can take that away what ever u wanna say ! Lets stick to the football shall we !     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2013, 11:10:17 PM

I do think that was a bit out of order to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 05, 2013, 11:12:30 PM

Indeed. The grammar almost gave me a stroke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 05, 2013, 11:13:53 PM

BNAG

That's bang out of order.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:14:41 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 10:05:21 PM

it was the ravings of an utter knob head so I think he was pissed, decided to put on babe station an have wank but ended up typing flaccid bollocks with his knob

Less of that. Please apologise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:33:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 10:27:30 PM

I remember Torben Piechnik being pretty shit at Racist FC.

Also at Liverpool, Kvarme.

Jeeze, he was so shite i'd completely forgotten about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Slaphead on June 05, 2013, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:14:41 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 10:05:21 PM

it was the ravings of an utter knob head so I think he was pissed, decided to put on babe station an have wank but ended up typing flaccid bollocks with his knob

Less of that. Please apologise.

Funniest post of the day for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

filed under 'banter' no woz move on already ! One things for sure we all be exstatic when we make some signings ! My hayfever is more a concern than the abuse and banter i just have to accept (but don't like) part of the forum! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:19:33 PM

Quote from: Slaphead on June 05, 2013, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:14:41 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 05, 2013, 10:05:21 PM

it was the ravings of an utter knob head so I think he was pissed, decided to put on babe station an have wank but ended up typing flaccid bollocks with his knob

Less of that. Please apologise.

Funniest post of the day for me.

It also contains unacceptable abuse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2013, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:09:25 PM

It always amaze me when people saying things like we need to get that Popov or that Tonev bloke in, he's just what we need yada yada, when really, unless they're keen watchers of the Polish league, they have actually made that decision based on a youtube compilation some teenager has put together of their best bits, or they play a lot of Football Manager.

I really need to learn this new language. It appears PW that you are learning and adopting fast!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 11:27:29 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 05, 2013, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:09:25 PM

It always amaze me when people saying things like we need to get that Popov or that Tonev bloke in, he's just what we need yada yada, when really, unless they're keen watchers of the Polish league, they have actually made that decision based on a youtube compilation some teenager has put together of their best bits, or they play a lot of Football Manager.

I really need to learn this new language. It appears PW that you are learning and adopting fast!

Innit. I did a double-take when I saw it was walnuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:31:46 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 11:27:29 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 05, 2013, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:09:25 PM

It always amaze me when people saying things like we need to get that Popov or that Tonev bloke in, he's just what we need yada yada, when really, unless they're keen watchers of the Polish league, they have actually made that decision based on a youtube compilation some teenager has put together of their best bits, or they play a lot of Football Manager.

I really need to learn this new language. It appears PW that you are learning and adopting fast!

Innit. I did a double-take when I saw it was walnuts.

I'm down with the youth of today. They do still say "far out man" "groovy" and "hot diggety" don't they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 05, 2013, 11:34:04 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Any Viking is welcome at Villa Park!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 11:38:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2013, 11:31:46 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 05, 2013, 11:27:29 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 05, 2013, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2013, 10:09:25 PM

It always amaze me when people saying things like we need to get that Popov or that Tonev bloke in, he's just what we need yada yada, when really, unless they're keen watchers of the Polish league, they have actually made that decision based on a youtube compilation some teenager has put together of their best bits, or they play a lot of Football Manager.

I really need to learn this new language. It appears PW that you are learning and adopting fast!

Innit. I did a double-take when I saw it was walnuts.

I'm down with the youth of today. They do still say "far out man" "groovy" and "hot diggety" don't they?

Sure do Daddio.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 05, 2013, 11:57:39 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 08:54:07 PM

Signing popev belhanda tonev cresswell murphy and id like altidore and two gk beast Jesen on a free from burnley and under 21 gk declan rudd from norwich. Also Scott Sinclair or Mcgreedy. And then a promising centre back or 2 like pearce, st ledger, mulgrew or bera cheap squad players we d be sorted

Your meds kicking in Brice?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 01:44:22 AM

I haven't seen much of this Belhanda kid so I took a quick look at some of his work on YouTube. I have to say what I saw prompted some unexpected movement in my loins. He looks quite outstanding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 06:38:03 AM

On the downside you can't really get that excited by our targets because most of us have no real knowledge of them and I always avoid Youtube stuff for obvious reasons. On the plus side, I suppose it's refreshing not to be annoyed by the annual Tom Huddlestone link. Poor guy...wasn't even mentioned as a possible make-weight in the Benteke transfer story. :0(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 06, 2013, 07:12:10 AM

Hard to think of huddlestone as a make weight. His hair must weigh a stone for a start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 07:32:52 AM

For me he's one of those players you forget is still playing until every transfer window  (Managed 14 premier league appearances last season, fact fans and possibly not seriously injured all season!)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 06, 2013, 08:00:47 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 06, 2013, 07:12:10 AM

Hard to think of huddlestone as a make weight. His hair must weigh a stone for a start.

Apparently he's not getting it cut until he scores. I bet he's regretting that now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 06, 2013, 08:36:37 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 05, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

filed under 'banter' no woz move on already ! One things for sure we all be exstatic when we make some signings ! My hayfever is more a concern than the abuse and banter i just have to accept (but don't like) part of the forum! 

As noted previously by PWS personal abuse is not acceptable on this forum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 06, 2013, 08:44:23 AM

Shitting hell Brice. You want us to sign eleven players. 3 we have been recently linked with but you likely wouldn't have heard of last week.

You also seem to want to sign a winger, box to box midfielder, 3 attacking midfielders, 2 centre backs, two goalies, a forward and a full back as a Brucie bonus.

One of your suggested keepers is a fat old bastard that was shit for the Olbiyun. The winger doesn't fit with how we play really and certainly not when you also want to sign every attacking midfielder in Europe.

Altidore was useless at Hull so I don't fancy him and then we come to the centre backs.

I am guessing that by promising you mean young. We already have two of those so don't see why we would sign another couple.

And your suggestions are not young, promising or remotely talented. St Ledger? Berra?

Dear me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 06, 2013, 09:31:25 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 05, 2013, 11:34:04 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 05, 2013, 05:56:46 PM

Danish journalist, Sara Margren is reporting that we've had a bid in excess of £3m accepted for Nordsjælland's 20 year old, Danish international centre-half, Jores Okore accepted.

Any Viking is welcome at Villa Park!

Whilst true, I'd be concerned if this is our only CB signing this summer.  We need someone there to go straight into the side and immediately toughen us up!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 06, 2013, 09:49:38 AM

I would like to apologise to villa kicks for my last post relating to his transfer wish list. it was the stuff of pure fantasy but in no way deserved the ridicule I gave it. diversity of opinion is to be welcomed. Sincere apologies

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 06, 2013, 10:02:50 AM

Nothing wrong with pointing his post is utter bobbins. You just can't have any personal digs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 10:22:44 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 06, 2013, 09:49:38 AM

I would like to apologise to villa kicks for my last post relating to his transfer wish list. it was the stuff of pure fantasy but in no way deserved the ridicule I gave it. diversity of opinion is to be welcomed. Sincere apologies

That's ok as far as it goes but I really think you ought to kiss.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 06, 2013, 10:23:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 05:46:58 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2013, 05:43:13 PM

erm who is Belhanda ? Never heard of him.

video clicky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9AHU1EQno) - he's the real deal, would be a fantastic signing.

Yes please, he looks an outstanding player, takes penalties like Dwight and can put in a wicked cross. This is exactly the type of player we need in our midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2013, 10:27:01 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 06, 2013, 10:23:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 05, 2013, 05:46:58 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 05, 2013, 05:43:13 PM

erm who is Belhanda ? Never heard of him.

video clicky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9AHU1EQno) - he's the real deal, would be a fantastic signing.

Yes please, he looks an outstanding player, takes penalties like Dwight and can put in a wicked cross. This is exactly the type of player we need in our midfield.

It's his quick feet that are the important bit.  I've seen him a few times on TV and obviously there's a lot of footage on youtube, he just makes space for himself by having the close control to wiggle away from people.  There's one bit in the video where he bounces it off one foot, on to the other and back again in the space of about a second and gets away from 2 defenders, it's pure brilliance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 10:43:04 AM

He looks strong too. The beginning of the clip as he's running into the box he stays on his feet well while two defenders are trying to get to him.

I know YouTube clips must be taken with a pitch of salt but he does look very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2013, 10:58:02 AM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 06, 2013, 10:43:04 AM

He looks strong too. The beginning of the clip as he's running into the box he stays on his feet well while two defenders are trying to get to him.

I know YouTube clips must be taken with a pitch of salt but he does look very good.

That's what caught my eye, plus a good share of pin-point through balls.

I want this player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2013, 11:10:47 AM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 06, 2013, 10:43:04 AM

He looks strong too. The beginning of the clip as he's running into the box he stays on his feet well while two defenders are trying to get to him.

I know YouTube clips must be taken with a pitch of salt but he does look very good.

If you mean the bit about 20seconds in, that's more about his low centre of gravity than anything else, he just rids the tackles and keeps running.  He does have good strength though.

The bit I mean is about 1:20 in where he has absolutely no right to get away with 2 players snapping at him but his control is excellent to turn and get away.

Watching that video again though I've decided my favourite bit is the free kick around 2:25, Benteke coming on to balls like that would score a hatful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 11:11:33 AM

Yeah me too. I don't want to get carried away with it all either. It's nice to be linked with these types of players. Even if they end up going to Milan or Madrid instead. It's just refreshing to be seeing these players that could potentially be at villa rather than the rolling of the eyes and groans of another year linked with Defoe, keane and holt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2013, 11:14:46 AM

Maybe he doesn't want to play in leagues where he is likely to suffer racially abuse at some point?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 11:15:13 AM

I did mean that bit paul_e. good to see these players staying on their feet like that. Takes strength told told them up like that. The free kick you mention too is class.

Not sure if he groundsman will be too keen on him digging up the pitch though with his corner flag celebrations.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 06, 2013, 11:28:20 AM

Actually very surprised Arsene hasn't gone for Belhanda. He seemed to have a great rapport with Giroud. He'd also be much better as one of the attacking mid 3 than Ramsey.
Or actually, don't bother Arsene, he's ours!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2013, 11:33:16 AM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 06, 2013, 11:15:13 AM

I did mean that bit paul_e. good to see these players staying on their feet like that. Takes strength told told them up like that. The free kick you mention too is class.

Not sure if he groundsman will be too keen on him digging up the pitch though with his corner flag celebrations.

Maybe the groundsman got wind of the deal which is why he went to PSG!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 11:34:29 AM

We won't get him I wouldn't have thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2013, 11:35:24 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 11:34:29 AM

We won't get him I wouldn't have thought.

Let us have our fun whilst it lasts!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 06, 2013, 11:43:20 AM

I think 11 new players is a bit much, but I think 5-7 is a realistic expectation.

Back-up goalkeeper
Left Back (Creswell?)
Centre Back (Okore, Lescott?)
Goalscoring midfielder (Belhanda, Murphy, both?)
Winger/Forward: (Tonev?)
Back up Striker: (Austin?)

And if we can ship out Hutton and Ireland, and get a decent fee for Bent, that would be a pretty good summer.  (Unless, they're all shite or take ages to integrate into the team).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 06, 2013, 11:44:17 AM

Belhanda reminds me of Dembele and he's done well in the Premiership, with both Fulham and Spuds. Does anyone know if he's played much with KEA in the Moroccan side? I know he hasn't had a great start to his Villa career but I'm still confident he'll turn out to be a useful player for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on June 06, 2013, 11:45:02 AM

Bennington McCarthy has retired no more links.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on June 06, 2013, 11:45:56 AM

Benni!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 06, 2013, 11:59:17 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 05, 2013, 09:01:55 PM

P.S. Andreas Cornelius has looked absolute gash tonight (in my opinion) he has developed the knack of showing excellent movement to come away from where the ball has just been played to, or move in tight to a defender just as the ball is played up to him.  Scoring shedloads in the Danish Supaliga doesn't prove a lot, especially when you're playing for FCK.

He probably had a lot on his mind last night, you know.. things like moving to Villa Park. It may be easy to score plenty for FCK but you have to remember the lad is only 20. I wouldn't expect him to walk straight into the first team but I'm sure he could make a real contribution coming off the bench for a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on June 06, 2013, 12:00:38 PM

Belhanda please please please please sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2013, 12:21:05 PM

Goal of the season in Ligue 1 last year...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 06, 2013, 12:27:03 PM

Great goal, crap song.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 12:32:39 PM

Belhanda talking up the Villa: Younes Belhanda: "Aston Villa is a great club with a big history." (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfer-latest-mat-4065105)

I hope this happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 12:34:54 PM

Yeah that was yesterday, I refuse to get excited about this because I just know it won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 12:39:23 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 12:34:54 PM

Yeah that was yesterday, I refuse to get excited about this because I just know it won't happen.

Ah, I've only just seen it in the Mail today. I'm the same; I try not to get excited about this kind of thing, but those quotes are really encouraging. At least we know that the link isn't all just talk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2013, 01:11:06 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 12:34:54 PM

Yeah that was yesterday, I refuse to get excited about this because I just know it won't happen.

I am with you Paul. Looks a super footballer, but not the type we get at the stage he is at. No chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 06, 2013, 01:15:39 PM

Benni Macarthy says he's ready to come out of retirement to have the chance of playing for the team he's really wanted to play for at last



hehehe

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 01:16:34 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 06:38:03 AM

On the downside you can't really get that excited by our targets because most of us have no real knowledge of them and I always avoid Youtube stuff for obvious reasons. On the plus side, I suppose it's refreshing not to be annoyed by the annual Tom Huddlestone link. Poor guy...wasn't even mentioned as a possible make-weight in the Benteke transfer story. :0(

wont be Benni Mccarthy neither . Hes retired .  Hallelujah brothers  ;)))))

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 01:21:31 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 06, 2013, 11:28:20 AM

Actually very surprised Arsene hasn't gone for Belhanda. He seemed to have a great rapport with Giroud. He'd also be much better as one of the attacking mid 3 than Ramsey.
Or actually, don't bother Arsene, he's ours!

was thinking this myself .  Maybe he thinks he has enough but that guy he bought in March in the January transfer window will be off ( forgot his name )

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 01:23:54 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 06, 2013, 12:21:05 PM

Goal of the season in Ligue 1 last year...

Hadji used to do things like this before he joined us ;(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 01:31:57 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 06:38:03 AM

On the downside you can't really get that excited by our targets because most of us have no real knowledge of them

Actually for me quite the opposite. I'm excited just by no longer being linked to the traditional fodder that we've been subjected to over the years. PL players who have failed elsewhere. This is sort of what I would have expected a Houllier transfer window to look like. Players that are somewhat of an unknown quantity mixed in with some rising stars in France or Belgium etc. For me the unknown is the best bit because it makes you dig into what they have achieved and possibly capable of. I don't need a second opinion or YouTube to figure out that Jenas or Dyer or some other bollocks has been English player is "on our radar" as the tabloids might put it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 06, 2013, 01:32:21 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/06/aston-villa-start-recruitment-drive-after-axing-trio/

First signing is Liam Prynn from Torquay apparently

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 01:57:02 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 06, 2013, 01:32:21 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/06/aston-villa-start-recruitment-drive-after-axing-trio/

First signing is Liam Prynn from Torquay apparently

Haha! All the hype and the first signing is a trainee from Torquay. I love Villa, I really do. Good luck to the kid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:30:17 PM

Lee Sharpe started as a trainee at Torquay. And he turned out pretty well, at least until he became more interested in minge and cocaine.

Am I allowed to say that? Dear me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 02:38:02 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:30:17 PM

Lee Sharpe started as a trainee at Torquay. And he turned out pretty well, at least until he became more interested in minge and cocaine.

Am I allowed to say that? Dear me

To be fair, who isn't interested in these things?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:40:55 PM

I don't earn enough to take an interest in cocaine. And I already have a terrible personality, so the side-effects would be kind of wasted on me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 02:45:19 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:40:55 PM

I don't earn enough to take an interest in cocaine. And I already have a terrible personality, so the side-effects would be kind of wasted on me.

Plus you have the 'talking nonsense at 100mph' covered already, of course ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2013, 02:52:52 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:30:17 PM

Lee Sharpe started as a trainee at Torquay. And he turned out pretty well, at least until he became more interested in minge and cocaine.

Am I allowed to say that? Dear me

When I worked in my friends CD shop in Harrogate he used to come in with his girlfriend quite often boredom shopping. We used to manage to sell some right old shit to him, I guessed his house on 'Through The Keyhole' from the pile of obviously unplayed CD's that I had sold him that were on a table.

Always carried huge piles of cash. Just saying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:56:23 PM

Is that when he was waddling about at Leeds?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 03:12:21 PM

Express and Star article..

"The French side have slapped a £12million price tag on the midfielder who has told Villa he is ready to snub Inter Milan, AC Milan, Atletico Madrid and Galatasaray to sign for them."

Unless I misread the original quote that's not what was said by Belhanda at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 06, 2013, 03:16:24 PM

Don't get excited on you tube footage, don't forget KEA looked good in youtube

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:20:41 PM

Best ever YouTube video: Luc Nilis

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on June 06, 2013, 03:25:25 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 06, 2013, 03:16:24 PM

Don't get excited on you tube footage, don't forget KEA looked good in youtube

So did benteke though. Surely people are getting slightly excited because he's highly thought of and is also being linked with some top clubs, along with looking decent in the clips they have seen?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 06, 2013, 03:26:52 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:40:55 PM

I don't earn enough to take an interest in cocaine. And I already have a terrible personality, so the side-effects would be kind of wasted on me.

Oh come on Damon it's not that expensive. You can afford the odd toot at the weekend surely?

Not everyone hoovers up as much as Daniella Westbrook y'know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 03:30:00 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:20:41 PM

Best ever YouTube video: Luc Nilis

He could certainly hit a ball.

I always wonder what the club could have achieved if he hasn't broke his leg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 03:42:08 PM

All over Twitter that RMC radio (French station who are quite reliable apparently) have claimed Belhanda has 'chosen' to come to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:44:51 PM

Twitter quoting a frog radio station. Must be true then

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 03:50:40 PM

If this transfer doesn't happen (and I'll only believe it when I see him stretching a Villa shirt on the OS), then I hope people won't get on the club's back for not coughing up the cash for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 06, 2013, 03:54:09 PM

Just watched youtube clips - wow :) remind me of Luis Figo :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 03:58:25 PM

any player that is willing to make moves and has supreme skill in all areas of the pitch is rather special. You see wingers do that stuff all the time where they get the ball early and have time and space. This boy does it all over the place and not only that, is willing to take it between more than one player. He takes a mean free kick, can take penalties, has tremendous vision and looks as strong as an ox.

We are going to be so disappointed when he signs for Milan aren't we? ... cries

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 06, 2013, 03:59:28 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 06, 2013, 03:54:09 PM

Just watched youtube clips - wow :) remind me of Luis Figo :)

Compared to Pires on Wikipedia, I could cope with that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 04:05:25 PM

Not the Villa Pires hopefully ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2013, 04:06:23 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:56:23 PM

Is that when he was waddling about at Leeds?

His parents are my parents neighbours.

His mom runs the "Flat Out Ironing Company".

Another Lee Sharpe factoid there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 06, 2013, 04:07:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 03:58:25 PM

any player that is willing to make moves and has supreme skill in all areas of the pitch is rather special. You see wingers do that stuff all the time where they get the ball early and have time and space. This boy does it all over the place and not only that, is willing to take it between more than one player. He takes a mean free kick, can take penalties, has tremendous vision and looks as strong as an ox.

We are going to be so disappointed when he signs for Milan aren't we? ... cries

Yes and no.  It will clearly be a shame if we don't get him as he looks top drawer, but that there are very strong links to a player with this skillset is very encouraging, hopefully we've got other options who can offer similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2013, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 02:56:23 PM

Is that when he was waddling about at Leeds?

It was, he lived in Wetherby which was where pretty much all the Leeds players lived. Doubt any of the current crop could afford to live there now. He was always 'injured'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 06, 2013, 04:21:08 PM

No album made on cocaine has ever been any good.

Liam Gallagher was a coke head, that's surely enough warning?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 04:36:29 PM

Kendrick claims that he doubts the deal will happen. :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on June 06, 2013, 04:40:32 PM

Killjoy Kendrick

@MatKendrick: The noises coming from overseas about Belhanda are different to what we're hearing over here. Doubt very much that one will happen #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 04:41:36 PM

you bastard Kendrick. You better be wrong

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 06, 2013, 04:41:42 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 06, 2013, 04:40:32 PM

Killjoy Kendrick

@MatKendrick: The noises coming from overseas about Belhanda are different to what we're hearing over here. Doubt very much that one will happen #avfc

No shock is it really?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2013, 04:42:22 PM

They're using our glorious name to scare somebody into taking the plunge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 06, 2013, 04:42:45 PM

Fun while it lasted.

NEXT!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 06, 2013, 04:51:21 PM

I'd never heard of him a week ago, so I'm not going to be shedding any tears

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 04:53:54 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 06, 2013, 04:51:21 PM

I'd never heard of him a week ago, so I'm not going to be shedding any tears

fuck it...Lerner OUT!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Reuben on June 06, 2013, 04:54:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:44:51 PM

Twitter quoting a frog radio station. Must be true then

tut tut!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 06, 2013, 05:03:08 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 06, 2013, 09:49:38 AM

I would like to apologise to villa kicks for my last post relating to his transfer wish list. it was the stuff of pure fantasy but in no way deserved the ridicule I gave it. diversity of opinion is to be welcomed. Sincere apologies

misjudged humour. Apologies accepted we move on same team differnece views!

Anyways football moves tonev  and belhanda would offer the attacking flair and width can play wide too. Centre backs suggested mulgrew and pearce preferred or this dane there's chat about. St ledger and bera along with previous Curtis Davies more required as back up. There's a need to replace those we sell/release and also make some additions.  The goal keeper situation fascinates me as guzan is the number 1 but back up and support is needed with releasing of two gk players. Altidore or someone of this ilk is needed as cover to benteke and popev could be the main striker signing needed . Of course i have not idea or not ITK at all about holman nzogbia or Ireland but again interested to see if these guys will be moved on which mean 8-11 incoming players isnt so far off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2013, 05:11:45 PM

I don't ever allow myself to get carried away by speculation, but if we don't get this Belhanda bloke I'm burning down the stadium.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 05:13:02 PM

Quote from: Reuben on June 06, 2013, 04:54:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:44:51 PM

Twitter quoting a frog radio station. Must be true then

tut tut!

just in case you are wondering why he loves JT ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on June 06, 2013, 05:35:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 04, 2013, 08:12:00 PM

Alex pearce would be a good signing reading centre half on a free. Offers a threat at set pieces and readings best defender last season. Newcastle and Liverpool interested. 

Sorry if this has been addressed but he couldn't even get in the reading team, with a defensive record worse than ours. Reading fans were ripping the piss out of Liverpool fans when they heard he was going there. It's a no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 05:40:30 PM

When I popped onto the Reading forum around the time we first played them, they all seemed pretty unanimous that he was their best defender and he was only being kept out the team because of a falling out with the manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 05:41:16 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 03:42:08 PM

All over Twitter that RMC radio (French station who are quite reliable apparently) have claimed Belhanda has 'chosen' to come to Villa.

Just hope its not another Juniho ( or whatever his name was ) Im excited now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 05:46:11 PM

it's all fun and games guessing who says what, watching YouTube and guessing who may or may not be joining. One thing we know about Villa is they keep things tight as far as information, so really I have no idea what is true and what isn't. Kendrick has better contacts than most but I'm sure he'll even admit he doesn't know everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 06, 2013, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Who nicked it from kendrick!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 05:50:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 06, 2013, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Who nicked it from kendrick!

who nicked it from Benteke ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 06, 2013, 05:54:18 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 05:41:16 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 03:42:08 PM

All over Twitter that RMC radio (French station who are quite reliable apparently) have claimed Belhanda has 'chosen' to come to Villa.

Just hope its not another Juniho ( or whatever his name was ) Im excited now.

me too sounds like we moustaffa him and could be fez-able!  Tararbt braap !!   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 06, 2013, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Who nicked it from kendrick!

Oh Yes Kendrick, not Legion...oops

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PGW on June 06, 2013, 06:22:15 PM

One of our transfer targets is no longer available to us, i've just noticed on BBC web site that Benni McCarthy has retired from football!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2013, 06:28:25 PM

Ah well, that was over before it started wasn't it. Strange that the player has talked it up himself, and sure looks like he would make a quality signing but the fee was never going to let it happen was it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on June 06, 2013, 06:45:57 PM

What fee ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 06:51:57 PM

I wouldn't be giving up on it just yet. When the chairman and the player mention us by name, it means there is interest from us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 06, 2013, 06:56:28 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 06:51:57 PM

I wouldn't be giving up on it just yet. When the chairman and the player mention us by name, it means there is interest from us.

Kendrick is a good journalist but he has been wrong many  times too- lets wait and see.
I am trying not to get carried away with the various links until the ink is dry  on the contract .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 06, 2013, 07:07:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 06, 2013, 06:56:28 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 06:51:57 PM

I wouldn't be giving up on it just yet. When the chairman and the player mention us by name, it means there is interest from us.

Kendrick is a good journalist but he has been wrong many  times too- lets wait and see.
I am trying not to get carried away with the various links until the ink is dry  on the contract .

I bet you get carried away before you blink.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 07:09:39 PM

I think its unlikely, and the whole list of clubs his chairman came out with was odd in the extreme. Maybe he was trying to get one of them to bid after we had stolen a march? Still i'm also of the opinion Kendrick doesn't know crap apart from what his french journo contacts are telling him and they're just the French version of him...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2013, 07:10:26 PM

Ah there goes the cold water.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 06, 2013, 07:21:55 PM

Maybe he's seen PWS's pics of the view from the top of the new library and wants in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 06, 2013, 07:45:32 PM

Quote from: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 07:09:39 PM

I think its unlikely, and the whole list of clubs his chairman came out with was odd in the extreme. Maybe he was trying to get one of them to bid after we had stolen a march? Still i'm also of the opinion Kendrick doesn't know crap apart from what his french journo contacts are telling him and they're just the French version of him...

thinking about it he could easily fabricate to get teams interested from the premier league and these other teams may not have been interested AC Milan, Inter, Atletico Madrid and Galatasaray  i'm unsure why Arsenal, Newcastle Spurs or Liverpol havent declared an interest and the president hopes a bidding war takes place?

“I have told everyone that England will be my first choice." I expect a deal for this player and hopefully its all true and Villa but when these things drag on it becomes concerning.. Window has only just reopend ..so i would be more hopeful if it was a few days to the close of window as players will be wanting move for sure

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 06, 2013, 07:47:12 PM

Quote from: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Eh? I've only just posted that little gem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 06, 2013, 08:19:18 PM

I hope Kendrick is wrong, and that's not impossible. Belhanda is exactly the type of player we could do with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BedsVillain on June 06, 2013, 08:26:39 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 06, 2013, 05:50:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 06, 2013, 05:48:38 PM

Quote from: avfcpg on June 06, 2013, 05:47:08 PM

Nicked from Legion...

"Christian Benteke was today linked with Aston Villa after the media ran out of clubs to link him to"

Who nicked it from kendrick!

who nicked it from Benteke ;)

Who nicked it off Chris Smalling after dumping him on his arse like a little girl..!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2013, 08:33:12 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 06, 2013, 08:19:18 PM

I hope Kendrick is wrong, and that's not impossible. Belhanda is exactly the type of player we could do with.

Not saying this about just this possible deal, but there will be so much smoke and mirrors at this time of year it's hard to know what to believe. Is it out of the realms of possibility for the club to have had a word with Kendrick to play down certain stories? I know that they have sometimes categorically denied rumours if there really was no truth to them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 06, 2013, 08:46:38 PM

Kendrick has a good track record on transfers. I believe him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 06, 2013, 08:58:13 PM

He reports as the club brief him although as others suggest above, their motives in doing so this time of year could be a bit smoke and mirrors.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 06, 2013, 09:11:32 PM

He has an insider.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 06, 2013, 09:13:24 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on June 06, 2013, 08:46:38 PM

Kendrick has a good track record on transfers. I believe him.

Not since Lambert has come he hasn't. He's actually been quite late in reporting on many transfers this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 06, 2013, 09:22:57 PM

The agent of younni belhanda is also countiho and sissoko agent players linked last window but ultimately went to other team in England.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 06, 2013, 09:59:17 PM

Kendrick has been late, but he's been accurate I think. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 06, 2013, 10:16:06 PM

I can be late and accurate as well.

If we don`t get carried away when they say something is on the cards, then we should treat this sort of tweet with equal skepticism.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2013, 10:35:23 PM

He's late and accurate because the club will give him tidbits but only when it suits them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 06, 2013, 10:45:52 PM

there's not a journo alive who knows as much as he wants you to think he does. Its been the same way since Lerner took over and if something leaks its invariably from the "other" side as in this case. If Kendrick had come out with this before their chairman had blabber-mouthed it to the world then i'd be inclined to think he had an inside source. As it is, all the ones this summer with at least quotes from the players involved had nowt to do with Kendrick's supposed inside-knowledge

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 06, 2013, 11:44:12 PM

From the Irish Lions facebook page:

Quote

Polish media are reporting Aleksandar Tonev deal done. Medical Friday. €3.2m up front, Extra €0.5m dependent on appearances

Make of it what you will.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 06, 2013, 11:54:44 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 06, 2013, 11:44:12 PM

From the Irish Lions facebook page:

Quote

Polish media are reporting Aleksandar Tonev deal done. Medical Friday. €3.2m up front, Extra €0.5m dependent on appearances

Make of it what you will.

I did say he was on his way, did i not ? And there is plenty more going on as well. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 12:02:17 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 06, 2013, 11:54:44 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 06, 2013, 11:44:12 PM

From the Irish Lions facebook page:

Quote

Polish media are reporting Aleksandar Tonev deal done. Medical Friday. €3.2m up front, Extra €0.5m dependent on appearances

Make of it what you will.

I did say he was on his way, did i not ? And there is plenty more going on as well. ;)

No offence Dan, but i think we are all pretty much in the know that there is plenty more going on as well!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 12:11:52 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 12:02:17 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 06, 2013, 11:54:44 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 06, 2013, 11:44:12 PM

From the Irish Lions facebook page:

Quote

Polish media are reporting Aleksandar Tonev deal done. Medical Friday. €3.2m up front, Extra €0.5m dependent on appearances

Make of it what you will.

I did say he was on his way, did i not ? And there is plenty more going on as well. ;)

No offence Dan, but i think we are all pretty much in the know that there is plenty more going on as well!

Good, matey moderator. But i did say Tonev was on his way, only to get slagged for getting the wrong day. Oh well, i must say sorry, my arse. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 12:34:00 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 12:11:52 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 12:02:17 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 06, 2013, 11:54:44 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 06, 2013, 11:44:12 PM

From the Irish Lions facebook page:

Quote

Polish media are reporting Aleksandar Tonev deal done. Medical Friday. €3.2m up front, Extra €0.5m dependent on appearances

Make of it what you will.

I did say he was on his way, did i not ? And there is plenty more going on as well. ;)

No offence Dan, but i think we are all pretty much in the know that there is plenty more going on as well!

Good, matey moderator. But i did say Tonev was on his way, only to get slagged for getting the wrong day. Oh well, i must say sorry, my arse. UTV.

Why must you say sorry? For saying he would be signed at 7.30 am last Saturday?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2013, 01:29:44 AM

Better late than pregnant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2013, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 06, 2013, 03:44:51 PM

Twitter quoting a frog radio station. Must be true then

It was a Frog radio station that broke the news of the Sylla signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 07, 2013, 06:10:35 AM

I guess there will be a massive press conference with Aleksandar Tonev & Younni Belhanda (and possible other signings) showing off new Macron's Aston Villa shirt and new sponsor next week.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 07:06:47 AM

Summer is never truly here until we start linking ig signing x with the kit launch. All good fun.

How many replica shirts do you reckon we sell? 25k? I bet it is not even enough to cover 1 players wages through the season from the first team squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 08:36:11 AM

A lot more than 25k. Probably ten times that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 07, 2013, 09:10:29 AM

So is Tonev definitely, definitely signing today then (again)  . . . ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 07, 2013, 09:27:13 AM

Depends. What time is happy hour in lanzarote?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on June 07, 2013, 09:29:23 AM

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of his life.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 07, 2013, 09:33:05 AM

On the Daily Mails web story on Baker, at the bottom of the paragraph it mentions that we have signed Torquay's 16 year old striker Liam Prynn.

Anyone know about Jores Okore from Nordsjaelland? Apparenty we have had a £3m bid rejected.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 07, 2013, 10:23:08 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 07, 2013, 06:10:35 AM

I guess there will be a massive press conference with Aleksandar Tonev & Younni Belhanda (and possible other signings) showing off new Macron's Aston Villa shirt and new sponsor next week.
 

We can but hope (please, please)...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 07, 2013, 10:30:44 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jores_Okore - Ivorian Coast player born played for Denmark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 07, 2013, 10:34:38 AM

With regard to shirt-sales, I’m sure I remember reading that we don’t make very much at all from this, in-fact only really the ones that are sold through the Club shop/s. Our revenue is paid directly from the Kit Manufacturer and the Sponsor. Actual sales go directly to the retailers who purchase the product from the Manufacturers. I stand to be corrected on this though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 10:48:48 AM

No, you're correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 07, 2013, 11:18:30 AM

Didn't kit sales break records last year? Amazing really how much of a feel-good factor was generated by getting rid of TSM.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 11:42:41 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 08:36:11 AM

A lot more than 25k. Probably ten times that.
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I would be amazed if home and away we broke 70-80k.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 07, 2013, 11:44:44 AM

For all the griping about Macron kits, and their quality/design flaws (not that i've had a problem with either myself) i'm sure i read that we had our best kit sales in a decade or more last season

Anyone confirm that ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 07, 2013, 12:03:30 PM

Sure I read somewhere that our early sales were up last year (not surprising, considering the delays with previous nike efforts) but that overall sales for the year were down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 01:25:58 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 11:42:41 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 08:36:11 AM

A lot more than 25k. Probably ten times that.

I would be amazed if home and away we broke 70-80k.

If we're talking all Villa shirts sold worldwide, its a lot more than that Ozz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 07, 2013, 01:29:42 PM

Regarding the talk of Okore (who we've apparently bid for):

http://vimeo.com/53073475

Quite like the look of him tbh

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 07, 2013, 01:36:23 PM

Details of Tonev deal that Villa are already meant to have closed:

http://www.upthevilla.com/figures-for-tonev-are-released-is-the-signing-close?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 01:37:13 PM

Bloody hell. Sign him now. Great composure, great tackling, fantastic awareness and passing and built like a brick sithouse.
Sign him up, very impressive .Okore, that is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 07, 2013, 01:41:09 PM

He looks as fast as Gabby from some of them clips:-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 01:51:39 PM

Okore looks like a defensive version of Benteke. Young, very talented and scary to think he will only get better than that. The pace to keep up with Moses is very impressive and he looks incredibly compposed against top opposition. Blimey, it is so good to be linked with proper players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2013, 01:54:34 PM

The head bandage is the sign of a proper defender too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2013, 01:56:28 PM

As long as he doesn't leaves okores of space for forwards he should do for us!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2013, 02:01:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 01:51:39 PM

Okore looks like a defensive version of Benteke. Young, very talented and scary to think he will only get better than that. The pace to keep up with Moses is very impressive and he looks incredibly compposed against top opposition. Blimey, it is so good to be linked with proper players.

Benteke is the thought I get as well, you can just see from that video (and a couple of others) that there is a proper footballer in there, a bit raw but I can see PL being interested, he's the right type of player, playing at the right level who would come in with the right attitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 07, 2013, 02:18:59 PM

Okore looks rapid, strong and can pass.

Sign him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2013, 02:56:33 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 07, 2013, 01:54:34 PM

The head bandage is the sign of a proper defender too.

I'd agree with you if not for Nathan Baker donning the Terry Butcher look a few times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 07, 2013, 03:01:17 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 01:37:13 PM

Bloody hell. Sign him now. Great composure, great tackling, fantastic awareness and passing and built like a brick sithouse.
Sign him up, very impressive .Okore, that is.

Benteke up front and Okore at the back and Guzan in goal.....what a spine of a team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2013, 03:04:05 PM

Okora looks immense. It may be Youtube syndrome but there looks plenty of potential. Lets take the punt on him. If we have to match their valuation, then so be it. If we bought him for say 5, potentially next season we could have clubs sniffing round him and put a 20 mill tag on his head.

Much as I'm desperate for Benteke to stay, that his value has shot up from 7 mill to around 30 odd is fantastic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2013, 03:08:31 PM

BBC1459:
  FOOTBALL
Aston Villa defender Nathan Baker has signed a new three-year deal, tying him to the Premier League club until 2016.

Meanwhile, Villa are reported to be close to signing Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev, 23, recommended by his compatriot Stilyan Petrov, from Lech Poznan.

Villa have also been linked with another Bulgarian, striker Ivelin Popov, 25, who plays for Russian side Kuban Krasnodar and £12m Montpellier midfielder Younes Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2013, 03:12:03 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 07, 2013, 03:08:31 PM

BBC1459:
  FOOTBALL
Aston Villa defender Nathan Baker has signed a new three-year deal, tying him to the Premier League club until 2016.

Meanwhile, Villa are reported to be close to signing Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev, 23, recommended by his compatriot Stilyan Petrov, from Lech Poznan.

Villa have also been linked with another Bulgarian, striker Ivelin Popov, 25, who plays for Russian side Kuban Krasnodar and £12m Montpellier midfielder Younes Belhanda.

A few places report Popov as a striker. He's not really. More second striker, crossed with attacking mid all across the line. Tonev seems a done deal. I think after that we'd get Belhanda or Popov, not both, because both those two and Tonev would be vying for similar positions in the side, whilst we still also have Gabby and Wiemann on board too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: regular_john on June 07, 2013, 03:44:24 PM

Pic swiped from VT. Tonev at BH?

(http://i.imgur.com/brZyLKB.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 03:47:25 PM

Indeed !

@mac_zielinski: Looks like first moments of Tonev in Aston Villa shirt http://t.co/A5kGhmbo2e

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 07, 2013, 03:49:18 PM

I like the look of that top!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'Zimidy on June 07, 2013, 04:06:29 PM

That's a Nike top isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 07, 2013, 04:26:37 PM

June 7th and we've already signed a player. The world is going to implode. Welcome to the villa Tonev

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 07, 2013, 04:37:21 PM

Looks a good prospect and we have beat Werder Bremen and Celtic to his signature. Really want Okore in the bag now .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 07, 2013, 04:43:08 PM

if we sign Ivelin Popov, 25, Younes Belhanda and Okore. I think we will need an upcoming goalkeeper if the reserve goalkeeper is not good enough or ready plus a left back.  Then we should replace Bent/Ireland when they are sold. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 07, 2013, 04:45:33 PM

Here's a list of all the players released by Premier League clubs:

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8763114/Full-PL-Released-List

Anyone of interest? Maybe Gallas might give us the experience in defence we need for a year or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 07, 2013, 05:02:35 PM

There is only one reason they are on that list. PL has his own list and Tonev is the first of Young and hungry prospects. We are going to see a lot more coming in and I am really excited by what PL is doing. Okore, Belhanda and Christ knows who else will be heading to Villa park and we are in for a very exciting season .........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 05:05:02 PM

Another transfer that Kendrick was late on. Tweeting that it happened earlier then expected even though it was widely reported that it would be completed today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2013, 05:13:05 PM

Dan - who will we be signing next week?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on June 07, 2013, 05:13:43 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 07, 2013, 05:13:05 PM

Dan - who will we be signing next week?

...and what  time?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 05:17:22 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 07, 2013, 05:13:05 PM

Dan - who will we be signing next week?

May be sooner than next week mate. Keep you eyes and ears open. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 07, 2013, 05:21:29 PM

Come on danlanza this is the speculation thread. Tell all ????

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 05:32:02 PM

To be true ITK you have to mention a player we are going to sign before its been reported in the media.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 07, 2013, 05:35:43 PM

We're a pitiful bunch on H&V. Any other people would respect the inventor of time travel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 07, 2013, 05:48:16 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2013, 04:23:45 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

we need an ITK who is ITK

Don't want to give away the name of my connection at the club, but I'm hearing that Tonev will definitely sign for us this week. Or sign for somebody else within seven days. Or still be at his current club next Monday.

Nailed it. Again. Just call me Mr ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 05:50:28 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 07, 2013, 05:48:16 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 03, 2013, 04:23:45 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 03, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

we need an ITK who is ITK

Don't want to give away the name of my connection at the club, but I'm hearing that Tonev will definitely sign for us this week. Or sign for somebody else within seven days. Or still be at his current club next Monday.

Nailed it. Again. Just call me Mr ITK.

now that's proper ITK.

Here's my effort. I also predict we will sign and sell at least one player, maybe next week, or the week after but definitely in July or maybe August and most certainly before August 31st.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2013, 05:59:37 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if we sign that Danish lad by this time next week, I imagine him playing these games for Denmark over the next 5 days will delay things but he would be an exciting signing to make I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 06:08:30 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2013, 05:59:37 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if we sign that Danish lad by this time next week, I imagine him playing these games for Denmark over the next 5 days will delay things but he would be an exciting signing to make I reckon.

Okore blimey guvnor, that would be great ;D

Villa have also had a £3million offer for defender Jores Okore rejected. The 20-year-old Denmark international impressed during Nordsjaelland’s Champions League campaign last season and is valued at around £5m, with Fulham and QPR also interested.
Villa also confirmed today they have signed 16-year-old Torquay striker Liam Prynn.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2337130/Nathan-Baker-signs-year-deal-Aston-Villa-Okore-bid-rejected.html#ixzz2VYFiIdfJ

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Did you get the same smug satisfaction from learning that Lowton and Westwood were closer to a million than their 2.5m reported fees? It made me very pleased.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:19:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Did you get the same smug satisfaction from learning that Lowton and Westwood were closer to a million than their 2.5m reported fees? It made me very pleased.

immensely Ozz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 07, 2013, 06:21:24 PM

If I were the selling club I would ask for 25% of future transfer fee as part of the deal as Lambert (I think Ian) had a good eye for talent and promise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:21:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

yes it says

Tonight I denouveau the millenium! Sayé the bottom is my skoite now I'm asked more is just next to my home!

Fucking Google. I have no idea what that means

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:21:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

yes it says

Tonight I denouveau the millenium! Sayé the bottom is my skoite now I'm asked more is just next to my home!

Fucking Google. I have no idea what that means

I got the same thing.  Uncanny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2013, 06:29:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:19:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Did you get the same smug satisfaction from learning that Lowton and Westwood were closer to a million than their 2.5m reported fees? It made me very pleased.

immensely Ozz

I actually roughly knew what the Lowton deal was worth and found it really frustrating to see him constantly being referred to as a £3m signing or when people were asking what we were doing signing a League 2 player for £3m when Sheffield Utd fans didn't even seem to rate him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:30:05 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:21:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

yes it says

Tonight I denouveau the millenium! Sayé the bottom is my skoite now I'm asked more is just next to my home!

Fucking Google. I have no idea what that means

I got the same thing.  Uncanny.

maybe Youssef is actually as high as a kite and that actually is the proper translation

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 06:35:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:30:05 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:21:33 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

yes it says

Tonight I denouveau the millenium! Sayé the bottom is my skoite now I'm asked more is just next to my home!

Fucking Google. I have no idea what that means

I got the same thing.  Uncanny.

maybe Youssef is actually as high as a kite and that actually is the proper translation

Found this

     
le skoite - harlem shuffle

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 06:40:00 PM

On reflection, not a lot clearer really, is he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:02:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

I got someone to translate it for me. He said "Fuck me I'm absolutely wankered. Tonight I am going to fly home in my new Millenium Falcon and everyone can kiss my bottom"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:02:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

I got someone to translate it for me. He said "Fuck me I'm absolutely wankered. Tonight I am going to fly home in my new Millenium Falcon and everyone can kiss my bottom"

What did he say about O'Neill?  He quite clearly says 'mon'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 07, 2013, 07:07:30 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:02:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

I got someone to translate it for me. He said "Fuck me I'm absolutely wankered. Tonight I am going to fly home in my new Millenium Falcon and everyone can kiss my bottom"

What did he say about O'Neill?  He quite clearly says 'mon'.

Bottom (He meant arse).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 07:12:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:02:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

I got someone to translate it for me. He said "Fuck me I'm absolutely wankered. Tonight I am going to fly home in my new Millenium Falcon and everyone can kiss my bottom"

Nothing to do with getting rid of the 'nouveau' bits of the millennium (new kit?) and making it more posh, then (retro kit). I'm now operating on the, 'If it was English it would mean...' approach.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 07, 2013, 07:38:53 PM

accruing to certain websites we are in talks with Belhanda's representatives .  ITK confirmation needed please

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 07, 2013, 07:39:34 PM

I am intrigued to see how many defenders Lambert is gonna buy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 07, 2013, 07:39:48 PM

that should have read according to and the website is apparently Kooora

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:42:27 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

outstanding news sir, although this headline made me laugh

Aston Villa and Younes Belhanda may be in talks; they may also not be

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 07:43:45 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

dont excite me on a friday Leeg . I will drink too much desperado and blast tangerine dream up to 11

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:44:18 PM

Good man!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 07, 2013, 07:44:21 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 06:50:55 PM

Piss me, you couldn't move on here the other day for posters showing off their 'O' level French. They're like coppers - never about when you need one.

Allowez moi.

'It's just like new year's eve. I'm on a promise tonight. Can't beat a bit of legover to end the week.

I'm led to believe that Pubehead has never even heard of me'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2013, 07:49:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:42:27 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

outstanding news sir, although this headline made me laugh

Aston Villa and Younes Belhanda may be in talks; they may also not be

That site seems to get reports from foreign language publications not picked up by the usual news aggregators. This latest one is in Arabic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:51:35 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:42:27 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

outstanding news sir, although this headline made me laugh

Aston Villa and Younes Belhanda may be in talks; they may also not be

I'm NITK!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on June 07, 2013, 07:54:35 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 07, 2013, 07:40:29 PM

I can most definitely confirm this. Certain websites ARE stating that we are in talks with representatives of Belhanda.

I would really love this to happen.

I could see the pace of Belhanda, along with Tonev in the side frightening the fecking daylights out of all premier league sides.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 07, 2013, 07:58:25 PM

I must have some sort of psychosis for whenever I see the word Belhanda a voice in my head says Bellend- should I be worried?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 07:59:40 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 07, 2013, 07:58:25 PM

I must have some sort of psychosis for whenever I see the word Belhanda a voice in my head says Bellend- should I be worried?

only if it prompts you to start groping other men

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:00:49 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 07, 2013, 07:58:25 PM

I must have some sort of psychosis for whenever I see the word Belhanda a voice in my head says Bellend- should I be worried?

Handy nick-name if he's crap or 'snubs' us for someone else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 08:06:11 PM

The Arab website reporting the latest Belhanda link is apparently one of the biggest Arab sports sites.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 08:20:09 PM

Belhanda to the Villa would be so cool.
Maybe KEA has twittered/tweeted him a bit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 08:22:50 PM

If Belhanda comes and KEA has anything to do with it, he will be a legend in my book  ;)

King Karim...I can just imagine it now!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 08:23:48 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 08:22:50 PM

If Belhanda comes and KEA has anything to do with it, he will be a legend in my book  ;)

King Karim...I can just imagine it now!

I still think KEA will come good at Villa

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 08:28:42 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 08:23:48 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 07, 2013, 08:22:50 PM

If Belhanda comes and KEA has anything to do with it, he will be a legend in my book  ;)

King Karim...I can just imagine it now!

I still think KEA will come good at Villa

I'm not sure if he will...but I think he is good enough to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 07, 2013, 08:29:25 PM

If Villa representatives are in Morocco chatting to him, who are they ?

Because according to the OS, "Tonev put pen to paper on the contract alongside chief executive Paul Faulkner before his in-house media duties."

?

Sadly i think it's just bullshit

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:31:35 PM

rumours Villa are meeting him in marrakesh tomorrow

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2013, 08:32:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:31:35 PM

rumours Villa are meeting him in marrakesh tomorrow

All on board the train.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2013, 08:33:00 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:31:35 PM

rumours Villa are meeting him in marrakesh tomorrow

Has anyone made sure that *edited for legal reasons* hasn't smuggled themselves into the luggage?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:34:17 PM

I didnt say Aston . It was David I heard
for a tea

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 08:34:52 PM

They will need to catch the express.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:36:09 PM

anyway in other news Villa  sign Tonev

الجمعة أنه توصل إلى اتفاق للتعاقد مع البلغاري الدولي ألكسندر تونيف لاعب ليخ بوزنان البولندي.

وأكمل لاعب الوسط المهاجم البالغ من العمر 23 عاما الفحوص الطبية ووافق على البنود الشخصية للتعاقد. ويتوقع فيلا الذي احتل المركز الخامس عشر في الدوري الانجليزي انهاء الاجراءات الخاصة بالصفقة الاسبوع المقبل.

ونقل موقع أستون فيلا على الانترنت عن تونيف قوله "استون فيلا ناد كبير ولدى المدرب والنادي ثقة في اللاعبين الشبان."

وأضاف أن مواطنه ستيليان بتروف قائد أستون فيلا السابق - الذي أعلن اعتزاله في نهاية الموسم الماضي ويعمل الان مساعدا للمدرب المسؤول عن التطوير في النادي - لعب دورا كبيرا في اقناعه بالانضمام إلى فيلا.

وقال "ادى ستيليان وديميتار برباتوف بشكل جيد جدا في هذا الدوري في حقيقة الأمر واتمنى أن أفعل ذلك أيضا."

وتابع "انهما من أبرز لاعبي بلغاريا وأتمنى أن أصبح مثلهما وأترك بصمة في الدوري الانجليزي الممتاز."




anyway must go , three sexy girls waiting at the door , going out for a beer.

enjoy yourself boys

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 08:41:43 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2013, 08:32:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:31:35 PM

rumours Villa are meeting him in marrakesh tomorrow

All on board the train.

Take the train from Casablanca going south
Blowing smoke rings from the corners of my mouth
Striped djellebas we can wear at home Well, let me hear you now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:54:37 PM

The desert moon is full and it lights the sands,
I feel the loving touch of invisible hands,
And all across the sky I can see it's eyes,
Lift me up, let my soul just fly.
Push it along, push it along baby
Gonna ride the train.

Any excuse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:54:37 PM

The desert moon is full and it lights the sands,
I feel the loving touch of invisible hands,
And all across the sky I can see it's eyes,
Lift me up, let my soul just fly.
Push it along, push it along baby
Gonna ride the train.

Any excuse.

Ducks and pigs and chickens call
Animal carpet wall to wall
American ladies five-foot tall in blue

All together now .......


Wouldn't you know we're riding on the Marrakesh Express
Wouldn't you know we're riding on the Marrakesh Express
They're taking me to Marrakesh
All on board the train, all on board the train
All on board mr belhanda

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 09:04:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 07, 2013, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:54:37 PM

The desert moon is full and it lights the sands,
I feel the loving touch of invisible hands,
And all across the sky I can see it's eyes,
Lift me up, let my soul just fly.
Push it along, push it along baby
Gonna ride the train.

Any excuse.

Ducks and pigs and chickens call
Animal carpet wall to wall
American ladies five-foot tall in blue

If I was Belhanda I would sign for you, no problem at all......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 09:06:13 PM

I know Mat Kendrick is a trusted opinion but my case in point: We weren't supposed to be doing any business this week and we have. So I don't consider his tidbits as silver bullets.

And in the case of Belhanda I hope he's wrong again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 09:07:51 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 09:04:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 07, 2013, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:54:37 PM

The desert moon is full and it lights the sands,
I feel the loving touch of invisible hands,
And all across the sky I can see it's eyes,
Lift me up, let my soul just fly.
Push it along, push it along baby
Gonna ride the train.

Any excuse.

Ducks and pigs and chickens call
Animal carpet wall to wall
American ladies five-foot tall in blue

If I was Belhanda I would sign for you, no problem at all......

Could you disguise yourself as an American lady in blue lou?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie on June 07, 2013, 09:12:11 PM

7th June, signed someone who seems half decent. Remember O'Neeel!!!!, celebrate, Lambert's low key signings kept us up, really feel optimistic about this bloke's ability to discover talent. Also feel good that we enter the market in early June, not last days of August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2013, 09:14:27 PM

Quote from: charlie on June 07, 2013, 09:12:11 PM

7th June, signed someone who seems half decent. Remember O'Neeel!!!!, celebrate, Lambert's low key signings kept us up, really feel optimistic about this bloke's ability to discover talent. Also feel good that we enter the market in early June, not last days of August.

Always nice to do the dealing early and get the new lads settled in for pre season if at all possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 07, 2013, 09:18:40 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 07, 2013, 04:45:33 PM

Here's a list of all the players released by Premier League clubs:

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8763114/Full-PL-Released-List

Anyone of interest? Maybe Gallas might give us the experience in defence we need for a year or two.

Ross Turnbull as backup keeper might not be the worst bit of business on a free. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 09:19:09 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 07, 2013, 09:07:51 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 09:04:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 07, 2013, 08:57:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 07, 2013, 08:54:37 PM

The desert moon is full and it lights the sands,
I feel the loving touch of invisible hands,
And all across the sky I can see it's eyes,
Lift me up, let my soul just fly.
Push it along, push it along baby
Gonna ride the train.

Any excuse.

Ducks and pigs and chickens call
Animal carpet wall to wall
American ladies five-foot tall in blue

If I was Belhanda I would sign for you, no problem at all......

Could you disguise yourself as an American lady in blue lou?

Looking for the Munster costumes as we speak, Eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 07, 2013, 09:19:39 PM

Calling Mazrimsbruv. Translate French please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 07, 2013, 09:22:38 PM

I've just watched that video of Okore against Chelsea. I've decided that he's the new Paul McGrath and should be signed up immediately.

In all seriousness, he did look bloody good for 20 years old. Would go straight into the side I imagine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on June 07, 2013, 09:25:43 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 07, 2013, 07:58:25 PM

I must have some sort of psychosis for whenever I see the word Belhanda a voice in my head says Bellend- should I be worried?

Me too - I've already nicknamed him "cheesy".  Too much Viz comic in my formative years I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 09:26:24 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

It means:

"Tonight I'm off to the millenium again! That's it, it's like my new home these days, I'm settled and it's right by my place!"

All of which is irrelevant as the football player is called YOUNES not Youssuf. Dunno who the feck you lot have been stalking all day...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2013, 09:26:36 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2013, 08:32:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:31:35 PM

rumours Villa are meeting him in marrakesh tomorrow

All on board the train.

A word of caution ...

Quote

I'm moving carpets through the customs at Dover
Thinking my journey was going to be over
Then they discovered a shipment of Moroccan
And said, "Excuse me sir, there's something you've forgotten"

From the Isle of Dogs to the Egyptian sands
Where the Arabs chew on dates
And I haven't forgot what it's like to be
With misadventure and her mates Behind prisoned walls and gates

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:26:50 PM

Never really had a chance to have a good look at him before but watching Russell Martin at centre half for Scotland tonight and he looked very good. We've been linked with him a few times and he can cover centre half and full back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on June 07, 2013, 09:29:07 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:26:50 PM

Never really had a chance to have a good look at him before but watching Russell Martin at centre half for Scotland tonight and he looked very good. We've been linked with him a few times and he can cover centre half and full back.

I was impressed by some bloke Alain Huitton at right back.  He'd be out of our league though!

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:26:50 PM

Never really had a chance to have a good look at him before but watching Russell Martin at centre half for Scotland tonight and he looked very good. We've been linked with him a few times and he can cover centre half and full back.

I remember Hutton having a blinder against France once in a Scotland shirt. I actually thought he looked really good. It was like taking home a really fit bird and finding out she has a cock.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 07, 2013, 09:31:41 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 09:26:24 PM

Quote from: Summers on June 07, 2013, 06:17:45 PM

Anyone speak French?

Youssef Belhanda ‏@Y_Belhanda 10m
Ce soir je vais denouveau au millenium ! Sayé la bas c'est mon skoite maintenant j'suis posé en plus c'est juste a coté de chez moi !

It means:

"Tonight I'm off to the millenium again! That's it, it's like my new home these days, I'm settled and it's right by my place!"

All of which is irrelevant as the football player is called YOUNES not Youssuf. Dunno who the feck you lot have been stalking all day...

Jaysus, Mary and Holy Saint  Youssuf!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 07, 2013, 09:35:54 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:26:50 PM

Never really had a chance to have a good look at him before but watching Russell Martin at centre half for Scotland tonight and he looked very good. We've been linked with him a few times and he can cover centre half and full back.

I remember Hutton having a blinder against France once in a Scotland shirt. I actually thought he looked really good. It was like taking home a really fit bird and finding out she has a cock.

(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/_x8l2Xh7BCE/mqdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 07, 2013, 09:44:17 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 09:30:39 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:26:50 PM

Never really had a chance to have a good look at him before but watching Russell Martin at centre half for Scotland tonight and he looked very good. We've been linked with him a few times and he can cover centre half and full back.

I remember Hutton having a blinder against France once in a Scotland shirt. I actually thought he looked really good. It was like taking home a really fit bird and finding out she has a cock.

"So he flipped him over and fu......funnily enough it landed on all four wheels and they drove away."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Risso on June 07, 2013, 09:48:22 PM

Fascinating creatures though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:53:46 PM

For some reason I'm picturing Alan Hutton in a wig with some balloons down his shirt. Not nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on June 07, 2013, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:53:46 PM

For some reason I'm picturing Alan Hutton in a wig with some balloons down his shirt. Not nice.

Now I see him as a Scottish version of the guy off the Bet Victor ads.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2013, 09:56:11 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:53:46 PM

For some reason I'm picturing Alan Hutton in a wig with some balloons down his shirt. Not nice.

(http://www.echtemannenshop.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/brian.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 10:11:51 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2013, 09:48:22 PM

Fascinating creatures though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing.

This one made me very confused indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 07, 2013, 10:18:27 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2013, 09:56:11 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 07, 2013, 09:53:46 PM

For some reason I'm picturing Alan Hutton in a wig with some balloons down his shirt. Not nice.

(http://www.echtemannenshop.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/brian.jpg)

I don't know what's more disturbing...the picture or the thought process behind finding it on Google

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 07, 2013, 10:19:00 PM

Danger. You'll get an unwitting pork splitter there.

Didn't see that coming...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2013, 10:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:36:09 PM

anyway in other news Villa  sign Tonev

الجمعة أنه توصل إلى اتفاق للتعاقد مع البلغاري الدولي ألكسندر تونيف لاعب ليخ بوزنان البولندي.

وأكمل لاعب الوسط المهاجم البالغ من العمر 23 عاما الفحوص الطبية ووافق على البنود الشخصية للتعاقد. ويتوقع فيلا الذي احتل المركز الخامس عشر في الدوري الانجليزي انهاء الاجراءات الخاصة بالصفقة الاسبوع المقبل.

ونقل موقع أستون فيلا على الانترنت عن تونيف قوله "استون فيلا ناد كبير ولدى المدرب والنادي ثقة في اللاعبين الشبان."

وأضاف أن مواطنه ستيليان بتروف قائد أستون فيلا السابق - الذي أعلن اعتزاله في نهاية الموسم الماضي ويعمل الان مساعدا للمدرب المسؤول عن التطوير في النادي - لعب دورا كبيرا في اقناعه بالانضمام إلى فيلا.

وقال "ادى ستيليان وديميتار برباتوف بشكل جيد جدا في هذا الدوري في حقيقة الأمر واتمنى أن أفعل ذلك أيضا."

وتابع "انهما من أبرز لاعبي بلغاريا وأتمنى أن أصبح مثلهما وأترك بصمة في الدوري الانجليزي الممتاز."

This news item only covers Tonev's transfer. Mentions the role of Petrov in the transfer and quotes Tonev as saying he wants to succeed like countrymen Petrov and Berbatov. There is nothing on here about Younes Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 10:11:51 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2013, 09:48:22 PM

Fascinating creatures though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing.

This one made me very confused indeed.

Anyone know how to retract a boner?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 10:34:14 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 07, 2013, 10:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:36:09 PM

anyway in other news Villa  sign Tonev

الجمعة أنه توصل إلى اتفاق للتعاقد مع البلغاري الدولي ألكسندر تونيف لاعب ليخ بوزنان البولندي.

وأكمل لاعب الوسط المهاجم البالغ من العمر 23 عاما الفحوص الطبية ووافق على البنود الشخصية للتعاقد. ويتوقع فيلا الذي احتل المركز الخامس عشر في الدوري الانجليزي انهاء الاجراءات الخاصة بالصفقة الاسبوع المقبل.

ونقل موقع أستون فيلا على الانترنت عن تونيف قوله "استون فيلا ناد كبير ولدى المدرب والنادي ثقة في اللاعبين الشبان."

وأضاف أن مواطنه ستيليان بتروف قائد أستون فيلا السابق - الذي أعلن اعتزاله في نهاية الموسم الماضي ويعمل الان مساعدا للمدرب المسؤول عن التطوير في النادي - لعب دورا كبيرا في اقناعه بالانضمام إلى فيلا.

وقال "ادى ستيليان وديميتار برباتوف بشكل جيد جدا في هذا الدوري في حقيقة الأمر واتمنى أن أفعل ذلك أيضا."

وتابع "انهما من أبرز لاعبي بلغاريا وأتمنى أن أصبح مثلهما وأترك بصمة في الدوري الانجليزي الممتاز."

This news item only covers Tonev's transfer. Mentions the role of Petrov in the transfer and quotes Tonev as saying he wants to succeed like countrymen Petrov and Berbatov. There is nothing on here about Younes Belhanda.

Is there anything in there about GCHQ and dodgy email traffic?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 07, 2013, 10:34:20 PM

There once was a guy I worked with - who had a reputation as being a bit of a manslag.

He bought a lady boy back to his hotel room and too late, he discovered the package d'knobbage.

The origin of the term "pork splitter" is the division between those who would run far away, and avoid. Or those who know that their mates will take the piss regardlessly. And so they continue onwards.

Guess which one he did?

Although he never admitted to it, we all heard the door close early in the morning. Me thinks he had a bit of filling in his sandwich.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 07, 2013, 10:54:46 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 10:34:14 PM

Is there anything in there about GCHQ and dodgy email traffic?

I 'd rather not say in case I find myself being offered free full board  holidays at a well known resort on Cuban coast!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 11:00:59 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 07, 2013, 10:54:46 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 07, 2013, 10:34:14 PM

Is there anything in there about GCHQ and dodgy email traffic?

I 'd rather not say in case I find myself being offered free full board  holidays at a well known resort on Cuban coast!

Understood. I've always preferred Castle Bromwich as a holiday destination, myself. Glad you're already there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 07, 2013, 11:24:55 PM

I like these bizarre turns the transfer threads often take. Constant source of amusement.  8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 11:46:59 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 07, 2013, 10:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 07, 2013, 08:36:09 PM

anyway in other news Villa  sign Tonev

الجمعة أنه توصل إلى اتفاق للتعاقد مع البلغاري الدولي ألكسندر تونيف لاعب ليخ بوزنان البولندي.

وأكمل لاعب الوسط المهاجم البالغ من العمر 23 عاما الفحوص الطبية ووافق على البنود الشخصية للتعاقد. ويتوقع فيلا الذي احتل المركز الخامس عشر في الدوري الانجليزي انهاء الاجراءات الخاصة بالصفقة الاسبوع المقبل.

ونقل موقع أستون فيلا على الانترنت عن تونيف قوله "استون فيلا ناد كبير ولدى المدرب والنادي ثقة في اللاعبين الشبان."

وأضاف أن مواطنه ستيليان بتروف قائد أستون فيلا السابق - الذي أعلن اعتزاله في نهاية الموسم الماضي ويعمل الان مساعدا للمدرب المسؤول عن التطوير في النادي - لعب دورا كبيرا في اقناعه بالانضمام إلى فيلا.

وقال "ادى ستيليان وديميتار برباتوف بشكل جيد جدا في هذا الدوري في حقيقة الأمر واتمنى أن أفعل ذلك أيضا."

وتابع "انهما من أبرز لاعبي بلغاريا وأتمنى أن أصبح مثلهما وأترك بصمة في الدوري الانجليزي الممتاز."

This news item only covers Tonev's transfer. Mentions the role of Petrov in the transfer and quotes Tonev as saying he wants to succeed like countrymen Petrov and Berbatov. There is nothing on here about Younes Belhanda.

Cheers aftab. Everything is clearer now. ;)I was reading it back to front mate, sorry. 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2013, 12:07:11 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 07, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 10:11:51 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2013, 09:48:22 PM

Fascinating creatures though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing.

This one made me very confused indeed.

Anyone know how to retract a boner?

Think of Ann Widdecombe. Also a tool for delaying orgasm. Caution advised.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 08, 2013, 12:27:12 AM

Quote from: OCD on June 08, 2013, 12:07:11 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 07, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 07, 2013, 10:11:51 PM

Quote from: Risso on June 07, 2013, 09:48:22 PM

Fascinating creatures though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing.

This one made me very confused indeed.

Anyone know how to retract a boner?

Think of Ann Widdecombe. Also a tool for delaying orgasm. Caution advised.

You mean if you're thinking of Widdecome and you still blow, you then end up with the sex equivalent of PTSD?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2013, 12:55:42 AM

The mere thought of Widdecombe could lead to permanent Pele syndrome. All the blue pills in the world couldn't bring the old womb broom back to life.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 08, 2013, 01:06:47 AM

http://www.africatopsports.com/2013/06/07/mondial-2014-belhanda-indisponible-pour-la-tanzanie/

Injury...or something else?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2013, 01:12:18 AM

This bloke looks so good I think we should bring out the orange dot to get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 08, 2013, 01:31:05 AM

I'm inclined to agree, Percy.  Putting aside Belhanda's abilities as a footballer, it's the kind of signing that would make people start to re-assess Villa (including our own fans).  Even if we don't bring him in, it's good to see how Lambert and the club are thinking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 08, 2013, 01:39:52 AM

Lambert will know who he wants on the budget we can afford and think he has done excellently so far. Hopefully, with the outgoings, he will be able to bring a few more in. I think some youngish lads will see the likes of Benteke and Weimann have had under Lambert and think they want a bit of that, allied to the great support the team got throughout the season as it was apparent we were trying to play football

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:00:03 AM

liverpool interested in Given

wheres this from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 08:50:30 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:00:03 AM

liverpool interested in Given

wheres this from?

Erm, Liverpool ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 08, 2013, 09:36:02 AM

Kuban Krasnodar are saying that Popov is not for sale (http://news.sport-express.ru/2013-06-07/592032/).

I'd be surprised if this one did come off now, as if we bring in another attacking midfielder, I'd have thought it would probably be someone to go straight into the first team (hopefully Belhanda). Based on the pattern of last year's rumours, perhaps Popov was just another option for the same role as Tonev - Tonev being first choice, as the younger player with more potential to improve.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 08, 2013, 09:44:26 AM

Just clicked n the Popov is not for sale link and my Malwarebytes wet into overdrive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 08, 2013, 10:05:40 AM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 07, 2013, 09:18:40 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 07, 2013, 04:45:33 PM

Here's a list of all the players released by Premier League clubs:

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8763114/Full-PL-Released-List

Anyone of interest? Maybe Gallas might give us the experience in defence we need for a year or two.

Ross Turnbull as backup keeper might not be the worst bit of business on a free.

any of the gks as a back up and john bostock to be given a chance

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2013, 11:07:12 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 08:50:30 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:00:03 AM

liverpool interested in Given

wheres this from?

Erm, Liverpool ?

I guess if Pepe's on his way out as it seems every summer, then they'll need a solid replacement. Given might do them for a year or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2013, 12:29:14 PM

A good start to summer business- one deal done and being linked with class players, sun shining , the sweet greatest hits on the ipad and cricket on the tv - have only one day off in 12 but enjoying it immensely - time for a lager as we await our next transfer ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2013, 12:30:04 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 07, 2013, 11:46:59 PM

Cheers aftab. Everything is clearer now. ;)I was reading it back to front mate, sorry. 8)

Dan most of the posts on H&V make more sense when read back to front!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

 Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 08, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Where have you read that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 08, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Where have you read that?

coming from Danish media if to believe .   something to do with he would not get first team football

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:35:32 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 08, 2013, 12:29:14 PM

A good start to summer business- one deal done and being linked with class players, sun shining , the sweet greatest hits on the ipad and cricket on the tv - have only one day off in 12 but enjoying it immensely - time for a lager as we await our next transfer ;)

Lazy pisshead. I am just of to watch some Lanzarote 20-20 cricket for the afternoon and will possibly be having a lager, or maybe two............... ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:36:41 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 08, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Where have you read that?

coming from Danish media if to believe .   something to do with he would not get first team football

Good news for us then, if you know what i mean. 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:37:45 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:36:41 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 08, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Where have you read that?

coming from Danish media if to believe .   something to do with he would not get first team football

Good news for us then, if you know what i mean. 8)

Have we bid for him Dan ? Saw something they had turned our 3 million bid down .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 08, 2013, 02:38:52 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned before and it's pure speculation, but another fan site is claiming that we have representatives in Morocco meeting with Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:40:56 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:37:45 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:36:41 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 08, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:24:32 PM

Okore has turned down Chelsea?

Where have you read that?

coming from Danish media if to believe .   something to do with he would not get first team football

Good news for us then, if you know what i mean. 8)

Have we bid for him Dan ? Saw something they had turned our 3 million bid down .

Not yet according to someone who told me about Tonev, but he is definately on the Lamberts radar. A lot of clubs in the prem have spotted him also though. Could be tough to land him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:42:04 PM

well If we sign Belhanda , Okore with Tonev . I would be well impressed with those signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on June 08, 2013, 02:44:22 PM

I believe the last Danish international centre-back we signed turned out okay. I have never seen this Okore play though - anybody know how good he is with the ball at his feet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 08, 2013, 02:48:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 08, 2013, 02:38:52 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned before and it's pure speculation, but another fan site is claiming that we have representatives in Morocco meeting with Belhanda.

Heard that yesterday, too.

It's Twitter speak and an Moroccan media (kooora.com), so maybe it should be taken with a pinch of salt

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2013, 02:49:34 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2013, 02:48:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 08, 2013, 02:38:52 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned before and it's pure speculation, but another fan site is claiming that we have representatives in Morocco meeting with Belhanda.

Heard that yesterday, too.

It's Twitter speak and an Moroccan media (kooora.com), so maybe it should be taken with a pinch of salt

Talks taking place On the marrakesh express apparently over a bowl of turtle soup ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: achilles on June 08, 2013, 02:51:07 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 08, 2013, 02:42:04 PM

well If we sign Belhanda , Okore with Tonev . I would be well impressed with those signings.

You and a few others!  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:54:42 PM

Quote from: Montbert on June 08, 2013, 02:44:22 PM

I believe the last Danish international centre-back we signed turned out okay. I have never seen this Okore play though - anybody know how good he is with the ball at his feet?

Youtube mate, against Chelsea. Watch it, the bloke is immense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on June 08, 2013, 03:19:08 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 02:54:42 PM

Quote from: Montbert on June 08, 2013, 02:44:22 PM

I believe the last Danish international centre-back we signed turned out okay. I have never seen this Okore play though - anybody know how good he is with the ball at his feet?

Youtube mate, against Chelsea. Watch it, the bloke is immense.

Immense in all meanings of the word!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 08, 2013, 04:17:53 PM

and the one before (Kent)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 08, 2013, 04:20:26 PM

I love Scandinavian centre halves, so I'd be delighted if we could sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2013, 04:28:35 PM

Okore would be a bigger priority for me than belhanda but if we could get both then it will go a long way to improving our team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2013, 05:28:12 PM

Anyone seen much of this kid? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8763095/

We're also supposed to have signed a young lad up to the Academy - Kodi Lyons-Foster. Ex-Arsenal and Spurs and has played for England U16's. He's said "Buzzing for next season & delighted to become apart of this club, hopefully it all goes well for me!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 08, 2013, 02:48:08 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 08, 2013, 02:38:52 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned before and it's pure speculation, but another fan site is claiming that we have representatives in Morocco meeting with Belhanda.

Heard that yesterday, too.

It's Twitter speak and an Moroccan media (kooora.com), so maybe it should be taken with a pinch of salt

Do you think our "representatives" in order to maintain discretion each wore a fez and were asked to grow thick black moustaches with accompanying chest hair sticking out from the top their shirts? I also imagine we will be meeting the player and his agent at a busy bazaar acting as buyers of exotic hand weaved rugs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 08, 2013, 05:54:12 PM

"you want to see dirty peectures of my semester?" putting hand into kaftan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 08, 2013, 06:03:51 PM

No they'll stick out like a sore thumb like Denholm Elliott in the Indiana Jones movies...

"Excuse me, excuse me! I say, we're looking for a Mr Belhanda old chap, but don't want to alert the media....what's that you say? B..E..L..H..A..N..D..A..."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 08, 2013, 06:56:37 PM

I've always disliked Bendtner, but he has it in him to be a really good player.

Probably daft even mentioning his name as his wages would be high, he's a bit of a billy-big-bollocks and we are well stocked (at the moment) in that postion

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2013, 07:12:31 PM

Bendtner is wrongly convinced of his own brilliance.

Strikes me as an absolute bell-end, too. All that damaging cars in Newcastle thing, FFS, what a tool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on June 08, 2013, 07:38:41 PM

Bellend-Bendtner? No no no no no no no no no just no.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 08, 2013, 07:39:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2013, 07:12:31 PM

Bendtner is wrongly convinced of his own brilliance.

Strikes me as an absolute bell-end, too. All that damaging cars in Newcastle thing, FFS, what a tool.

probably about on par with andy carroll and I don't want him either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on June 08, 2013, 08:01:16 PM

Okore looks a bloody good player but reading a few of the google links it seem Liverpool, Chelsea, and Man Yoo are all interested and Fulham were favourites to sign him in January after promising him immediate first team football.   With some of that lot sniffing around, and probably a few others,  I would be more than mildly surprised if we managed to land him.    Hope we do though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 08, 2013, 08:15:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Did you get the same smug satisfaction from learning that Lowton and Westwood were closer to a million than their 2.5m reported fees? It made me very pleased.

Is this the case, has it been confirmed somewhere? I had only heard the £2.5M figures being bandied about by the media last summer. Certainly good business if the fees were nearer £1M.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2013, 08:18:47 PM

Quote from: FatSam on June 08, 2013, 08:15:11 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:18:25 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2013, 06:16:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2013, 06:14:20 PM

I do like having a manager who does not piss about or buy on reputation and kudos. Hope Tonev is as good value as his other buys from the "under 3m lambert bonanza bucket!"

what are the odds that we later find out we only paid a 1.5m or something like that and not the 2.5 being reported. Like you I do enjoy how Lambert quietly goes about his business and fair play to the Faulkner/Randy for supporting him in that.

Did you get the same smug satisfaction from learning that Lowton and Westwood were closer to a million than their 2.5m reported fees? It made me very pleased.

Is this the case, has it been confirmed somewhere? I had only heard the £2.5M figures being bandied about by the media last summer. Certainly good business if the fees were nearer £1M.

Lambert told Alan brazil that Lowton cost around a million on the radio earlier this week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2013, 08:41:31 PM

No one signed today? Lambert out!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 09:22:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2013, 08:41:31 PM

No one signed today? Lambert out!

I agree. Lambert out. Lazy bastard. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on June 08, 2013, 09:53:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 08, 2013, 08:18:47 PM

Lambert told Alan brazil that Lowton cost around a million on the radio earlier this week.

That's fantastic business. I was wondering the extent to which being a Premier League club distorts negotiations when we are after a player. The way it has turned out, £2.5M would still have been good value based on both of their performances last season.

Wages is another thing; I read somewhere that even though he will presumably be on relatively low wages by Villa (let alone Premier League) standards, Tonev's wages are being multiplied x10 by joining us. He was obviously in line for a better deal having performed well for two seasons in Poland, but the disparity is enormous. I wonder whether the package we were offering was similar to what might have been offered by Celtic/ Werder Bremen, or whether we would have just blown them out of the water?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:05:51 PM

Quote from: FatSam on June 08, 2013, 09:53:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 08, 2013, 08:18:47 PM

Lambert told Alan brazil that Lowton cost around a million on the radio earlier this week.

That's fantastic business. I was wondering the extent to which being a Premier League club distorts negotiations when we are after a player. The way it has turned out, £2.5M would still have been good value based on both of their performances last season.

Wages is another thing; I read somewhere that even though he will presumably be on relatively low wages by Villa (let alone Premier League) standards, Tonev's wages are being multiplied x10 by joining us. He was obviously in line for a better deal having performed well for two seasons in Poland, but the disparity is enormous. I wonder whether the package we were offering was similar to what might have been offered by Celtic/ Werder Bremen, or whether we would have just blown them out of the water?

Totally out of the water. Tonev was offered 17k a week by both Bremen and Celtic. He will be on around 25-27k a week with us and he will earn it. Just saying like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 08, 2013, 10:07:33 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 08, 2013, 06:56:37 PM

I've always disliked Bendtner, but he has it in him to be a really good player.

Probably daft even mentioning his name as his wages would be high, he's a bit of a billy-big-bollocks and we are well stocked (at the moment) in that postion

Never in a million years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:15:19 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 08, 2013, 10:07:33 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 08, 2013, 06:56:37 PM

I've always disliked Bendtner, but he has it in him to be a really good player.

Probably daft even mentioning his name as his wages would be high, he's a bit of a billy-big-bollocks and we are well stocked (at the moment) in that postion

Never in a million years.

The most ridiculous link ever. The only thing that tosser has ever done was to score the equalizer against us at the Emirates a few years back. Waste of a wank he is. Not like i wank over him you understand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2013, 10:18:51 PM

I have to agree, Bendtner is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen (particularly by himself).  He's an average carthorse who is only known of because Arsenal took a gamble on him as a kid and he turned out to be a long way short of what they hoped.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 08, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Okore has given an interview to TV2 (Danish equivalent of ITV) following the story about Chelsea breaking this morning through Ekstra Bladet (absolute low rent tabloid).

Apologies for the translation being mixed up with the original Danish, but it was the easiest way to the transaltion.

"- Jeg valgte at sige nej, for det lød ikke helt optimalt for mig i forhold til de ønsker, jeg havde. Mit største ønske er at spille fodbold og få en masse spilletid på førsteholdet, og det lå ikke lige i kortene i forhold til det skifte, siger Jores Okore til tv2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet skriver lørdag, at Chelsea og FC Nordsjælland var enige om prisen på Okore. Kun spilleren selv sagde nej."

"- I chose to say no, because it didn't sound optimal for me in relation to my wishes.  My biggest wish is to spil football and have lots of playing time in the first team, and that wasn' on the cards in relation to the transfer, " Jores Okore said to TV2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet wrote on Saturday, that Chelsea and FC Nordsjælland had agreed a price for Okore. Only the player himself said no.

Men er det ikke bare at sige ja, når en stor klub som Chelsea gerne vil have dig?

But you don't just say no, when a big clib like Chelsea want you?

- Jo, hvis man gerne vil have penge, så er det jo. Men jeg elsker at spille fodbold og vil helst spille fodbold, og jeg tror på, at hvis jeg fortsætter med at spille godt og får en masse spilletid, så tror jeg godt, at jeg kan udvikle mig god nok til at få lov at spille for Chelsea på et tidspunkt. Så jeg tror på, at jeg kan komme derhen engang, siger Okore til tv2.dk

"-Yeah, if you want money, it's there. But I love to play football and would rather play football, and I believe that I can develop myself well enough to get a chance to play for Chelsea at some point. So I believe that I can get there in the future'" Okore said to tv2.dk

Men Chelsea er jo dit yndlingshold. Gjorde det ikke ondt at sige nej?

But Chelsea are your favourite time. Didn't it hurt to say no?

- Jo, og det var også meget svært at sige nej. Det var ikke kun, hvis det var Chelsea, men også hvis det havde været Manchester United, der havde kommet med noget konkret. Så havde det også været svært at sige nej. Men man skal også tænke på sig selv, og jeg tænker også på, at jeg kun er tyve år, så det er spilletid, som ligger højst for mig lige pt. Måske om et par år kan man tænke mere på penge og klubstørrelse i forhold til spilletid, siger Okore.

"Yes, and it was very difficult to say no. It wasn't just if it was Chelsea, but also if it had been Manchester United, who had come with a definite offer. That would also have been difficult to say no. But you also need to think about yourself, and I think also about the fact that I'm only 20 so it's playing time that is the highest priority for me right now.  Maybe in a couple of years I can think more about money and club size in relation to playing time," says Okore.

Den 20-årige forsvarskomet ved endnu ikke, om han rejser til udlandet denne sommer eller ej. Hans kontrakt med FC Nordsjælland gælder til sommeren 2016.

The 20 year old defensive star doesn't yet know if he'll be travelling abroad this summer or not.  His contract with FC Nordsjælland runs to 2016.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:31:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 08, 2013, 10:18:51 PM

I have to agree, Bendtner is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen (particularly by himself).  He's an average carthorse who is only known of because Arsenal took a gamble on him as a kid and he turned out to be a long way short of what they hoped.

Exactly my feelings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:37:27 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 08, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Okore has given an interview to TV2 (Danish equivalent of ITV) following the story about Chelsea breaking this morning through Ekstra Bladet (absolute low rent tabloid).

Apologies for the translation being mixed up with the original Danish, but it was the easiest way to the transaltion.

"- Jeg valgte at sige nej, for det lød ikke helt optimalt for mig i forhold til de ønsker, jeg havde. Mit største ønske er at spille fodbold og få en masse spilletid på førsteholdet, og det lå ikke lige i kortene i forhold til det skifte, siger Jores Okore til tv2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet skriver lørdag, at Chelsea og FC Nordsjælland var enige om prisen på Okore. Kun spilleren selv sagde nej."

"- I chose to say no, because it didn't sound optimal for me in relation to my wishes.  My biggest wish is to spil football and have lots of playing time in the first team, and that wasn' on the cards in relation to the transfer, " Jores Okore said to TV2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet wrote on Saturday, that Chelsea and FC Nordsjælland had agreed a price for Okore. Only the player himself said no.

Men er det ikke bare at sige ja, når en stor klub som Chelsea gerne vil have dig?

But you don't just say no, when a big clib like Chelsea want you?

- Jo, hvis man gerne vil have penge, så er det jo. Men jeg elsker at spille fodbold og vil helst spille fodbold, og jeg tror på, at hvis jeg fortsætter med at spille godt og får en masse spilletid, så tror jeg godt, at jeg kan udvikle mig god nok til at få lov at spille for Chelsea på et tidspunkt. Så jeg tror på, at jeg kan komme derhen engang, siger Okore til tv2.dk

"-Yeah, if you want money, it's there. But I love to play football and would rather play football, and I believe that I can develop myself well enough to get a chance to play for Chelsea at some point. So I believe that I can get there in the future'" Okore said to tv2.dk

Men Chelsea er jo dit yndlingshold. Gjorde det ikke ondt at sige nej?

But Chelsea are your favourite time. Didn't it hurt to say no?

- Jo, og det var også meget svært at sige nej. Det var ikke kun, hvis det var Chelsea, men også hvis det havde været Manchester United, der havde kommet med noget konkret. Så havde det også været svært at sige nej. Men man skal også tænke på sig selv, og jeg tænker også på, at jeg kun er tyve år, så det er spilletid, som ligger højst for mig lige pt. Måske om et par år kan man tænke mere på penge og klubstørrelse i forhold til spilletid, siger Okore.

"Yes, and it was very difficult to say no. It wasn't just if it was Chelsea, but also if it had been Manchester United, who had come with a definite offer. That would also have been difficult to say no. But you also need to think about yourself, and I think also about the fact that I'm only 20 so it's playing time that is the highest priority for me right now.  Maybe in a couple of years I can think more about money and club size in relation to playing time," says Okore.

Den 20-årige forsvarskomet ved endnu ikke, om han rejser til udlandet denne sommer eller ej. Hans kontrakt med FC Nordsjælland gælder til sommeren 2016.

The 20 year old defensive star doesn't yet know if he'll be travelling abroad this summer or not.  His contract with FC Nordsjælland runs to 2016.

Now then, here we go. I will stick my neck on the line and say we will have him  in two weeks time. Just a hunch you understand. He wants to play first team football, not sit on the bench. Exactly what we are offering him, sorry, what we could offer him. It is his choice. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2013, 10:43:30 PM

Okore in for a couple of years. Sell him on to Chelsea for 25 mill. Job done. He looks a class act.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:43:43 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

He is not even average mate. He is completely shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 08, 2013, 10:44:07 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

Pink boots. Enough said.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on June 08, 2013, 10:59:47 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 08, 2013, 10:30:02 PM

Okore has given an interview to TV2 (Danish equivalent of ITV) following the story about Chelsea breaking this morning through Ekstra Bladet (absolute low rent tabloid).

Apologies for the translation being mixed up with the original Danish, but it was the easiest way to the transaltion.

"- Jeg valgte at sige nej, for det lød ikke helt optimalt for mig i forhold til de ønsker, jeg havde. Mit største ønske er at spille fodbold og få en masse spilletid på førsteholdet, og det lå ikke lige i kortene i forhold til det skifte, siger Jores Okore til tv2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet skriver lørdag, at Chelsea og FC Nordsjælland var enige om prisen på Okore. Kun spilleren selv sagde nej."

"- I chose to say no, because it didn't sound optimal for me in relation to my wishes.  My biggest wish is to spil football and have lots of playing time in the first team, and that wasn' on the cards in relation to the transfer, " Jores Okore said to TV2.dk.
Ekstra Bladet wrote on Saturday, that Chelsea and FC Nordsjælland had agreed a price for Okore. Only the player himself said no.

Men er det ikke bare at sige ja, når en stor klub som Chelsea gerne vil have dig?

But you don't just say no, when a big clib like Chelsea want you?

- Jo, hvis man gerne vil have penge, så er det jo. Men jeg elsker at spille fodbold og vil helst spille fodbold, og jeg tror på, at hvis jeg fortsætter med at spille godt og får en masse spilletid, så tror jeg godt, at jeg kan udvikle mig god nok til at få lov at spille for Chelsea på et tidspunkt. Så jeg tror på, at jeg kan komme derhen engang, siger Okore til tv2.dk

"-Yeah, if you want money, it's there. But I love to play football and would rather play football, and I believe that I can develop myself well enough to get a chance to play for Chelsea at some point. So I believe that I can get there in the future'" Okore said to tv2.dk

Men Chelsea er jo dit yndlingshold. Gjorde det ikke ondt at sige nej?

But Chelsea are your favourite time. Didn't it hurt to say no?

- Jo, og det var også meget svært at sige nej. Det var ikke kun, hvis det var Chelsea, men også hvis det havde været Manchester United, der havde kommet med noget konkret. Så havde det også været svært at sige nej. Men man skal også tænke på sig selv, og jeg tænker også på, at jeg kun er tyve år, så det er spilletid, som ligger højst for mig lige pt. Måske om et par år kan man tænke mere på penge og klubstørrelse i forhold til spilletid, siger Okore.

"Yes, and it was very difficult to say no. It wasn't just if it was Chelsea, but also if it had been Manchester United, who had come with a definite offer. That would also have been difficult to say no. But you also need to think about yourself, and I think also about the fact that I'm only 20 so it's playing time that is the highest priority for me right now.  Maybe in a couple of years I can think more about money and club size in relation to playing time," says Okore.

Den 20-årige forsvarskomet ved endnu ikke, om han rejser til udlandet denne sommer eller ej. Hans kontrakt med FC Nordsjælland gælder til sommeren 2016.

The 20 year old defensive star doesn't yet know if he'll be travelling abroad this summer or not.  His contract with FC Nordsjælland runs to 2016.

Thanks for the translation.

What a refreshing attitude. He wants to play...not bothered about the money at the moment. He turned down his favourite team so that he could develop as a player. He would be pretty much guaranteed first team football with us if that video is anything to go by. He will know that we are a club which will give young talent a good run in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on June 08, 2013, 11:03:09 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

I assume that was the 52 not the 25 then!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2013, 11:03:20 PM

Exactly the attitude Lambert's trying to foster. He would probably really like what Lambert had to say if they get as far as sitting down to discuss things. It's also the sort of attitude that the like of Benteke and some of the others could do with having around.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 08, 2013, 11:32:51 PM

Okore probably looked at Lukaku's lack of game time at Chelski before rejecting. Sounds like a sensible lad, just the type we are in for these days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 09, 2013, 12:30:02 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 08, 2013, 11:32:51 PM

Okore probably looked at Lukaku's lack of game time at Chelski before rejecting. Sounds like a sensible lad, just the type we are in for these days.

This type of player is what we want and need. Give it a couple of seasons and we will do a DORTMUND, and surprise everybody. Big time players on massive wages is not the way forward. Lambert has the right idea, in young, educate them with a chance of one day being a superstar. That day being when we beat Manyoor in the Champions League final in 2 years time. Nice thought that, innit. UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 12:58:34 AM

Once Okore has been to Villa Park (if the transfer happens) and breathed in the history of Villa he'll have a new favourite club to follow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 09, 2013, 03:03:03 AM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 12:58:34 AM

Once Okore has been to Villa Park (if the transfer happens) and breathed in the history of Villa he'll have a new favourite club to follow.

Billy that is a great refreshing thought. Remember our history and passion is eternal .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 09, 2013, 08:38:26 AM

Good read that, apart from the bit about Chelsea being his favourite club.  How anyone could ever think that, I'll never understand.  Great attitude though, sounds right up Lambert's street.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2013, 08:47:05 AM

If he signed for us, how do people feel as us only being seen as a stepping stone to a bigger club?

Personally I feel this is now the reality and we should embrace it.  Besides if such players are "too good for us" then they'll have raised our game sufficiently that there will be less better clubs that they can join.  Not to mention the profits made will allow further speculation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 09, 2013, 09:07:24 AM

#Wheeeeeen youuuuu're big, strong and fleet
And you keep a clean sheet, that's Okorrrreeeeee...#

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 09, 2013, 09:27:40 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 08, 2013, 10:43:30 PM

Okore in for a couple of years. Sell him on to Chelsea for 25 mill. Job done. He looks a class act.

If we continue to improve and get in quality, like we're being linked with, we'll overtake Chelsea. :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 09, 2013, 09:30:52 AM

I asked Lambert if he was going for Okore.

He said no but he might get a Kebab on the way home.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 09, 2013, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 09, 2013, 09:30:52 AM

I asked Lambert if he was going for Okore.

He said no but he might get a Kebab on the way home.

Much to early in the morning for that kind of joke!!  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 09, 2013, 09:51:02 AM

Quote from: nigel on June 09, 2013, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 09, 2013, 09:30:52 AM

I asked Lambert if he was going for Okore.

He said no but he might get a Kebab on the way home.

Much to early in the morning for that kind of joke!!  ;D

you want sacking for that joke!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 09, 2013, 09:51:06 AM

Quote from: The Man With A Stick on June 09, 2013, 08:38:26 AM

Good read that, apart from the bit about Chelsea being his favourite club.  How anyone could ever think that, I'll never understand.  Great attitude though, sounds right up Lambert's street.

Understandable point of view if "you know what they are" (copyright Tesco).
But from his point of view. He was born in the Ivory Coast, he'd have been 7 that May in 2000 we try not to talk about.

I don't know when his family emigrated to Denmark, but he'd have been 11 when Chelsea signed Drogba, the biggest sporting star his country has ever produced.

Add in that if you're interested in following English football over here, the Sky 4 philosophy also holds sway over here and he'll only have known them have varying degrees of success I think it's perfectly understandable.

Doesn't make it any less shite mind, welcome to the modern world. Superficial glitter over substance every time :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 09:57:40 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2013, 08:47:05 AM

If he signed for us, how do people feel as us only being seen as a stepping stone to a bigger club?

Personally I feel this is now the reality and we should embrace it.  Besides if such players are "too good for us" then they'll have raised our game sufficiently that there will be less and less better clubs that they can join from us.  Not to mention the profits made will allow further speculation.

Been that way for years and just as the likes of Westwood and Lowton will probably move on to the so called top clubs in time - we cannot compete financially with the teams that attain champions league money and unfortunately thats the way the premier league has gone - ive accepted the fact that top 6 or top 8 is about as far as we will get unless we have the sort of cash that chelsea and man city have been given by superrich owners.

The game now is dominated by money and greed but there is no reason why we should not be in that group of teams challenging for Europa league .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to thing we are holding out for some transfer sum - similar with Ireland. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing football.
The comments leads me to speculate  who the 8 are who don't figure in clubs plans. I understand the club is going in a different direction but like to except a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers players think of warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun... 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 10:08:53 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to thing we are holding out for some transfer sum - similar with Ireland. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing football.
The comments leads me to speculate  who the 8 are who don't figure in clubs plans. I understand the club is going in a different direction but like to except a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers players think of warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun... 

I doubt we could expect much in the way of a fee for Hutton, Ireland or given .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 09, 2013, 10:39:32 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

I was very skeptical of that post as I couldn't find a link. This is the closest I could get to a 'link':
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2013/06/04/4025325/montpellier-president-confirms-aston-villa-bid-for-belhanda

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 10:58:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

It's quite possible that it was.
It would be nice though, wouldn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 09, 2013, 11:04:52 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to thing we are holding out for some transfer sum - similar with Ireland. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing football.
The comments leads me to speculate  who the 8 are who don't figure in clubs plans. I understand the club is going in a different direction but like to except a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers players think of warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun... 

Depends when Hutton was told he could leave. If it was during last season  then Hutton, Given, Ireland, Dunne, lichaj, Bent, Marshall and Makoun would be the 8 i reckon. If hes just been told then Hutton, Given, Bent, Ireland,, Fonz, Albrighton, Holman and Bannon would be my guess

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 11:11:53 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 10:58:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

It's quite possible that it was.
It would be nice though, wouldn't it?

It would be brilliant. I would hope that there would be at least one "big signing" at Villa this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 09, 2013, 11:25:24 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 11:11:53 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 10:58:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

It's quite possible that it was.
It would be nice though, wouldn't it?

It would be brilliant. I would hope that there would be at least one "big signing" at Villa this summer.

Benteke staying would be enough for me - well a few more unknown gems would be nice too

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 09, 2013, 11:52:51 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 09, 2013, 11:25:24 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 11:11:53 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 10:58:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 09, 2013, 10:14:42 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 09, 2013, 09:17:57 AM

From The Irish Lions Facebook  page :

Early next week Younès Belhanda will arrive in Birmingham to hold talks and Benteke talks will also open with Aston Villa.

Hasn't that just been lifted from one of those bullshitter twitter accounts though?
Hope it's true but I doubt it.

It's quite possible that it was.
It would be nice though, wouldn't it?

It would be brilliant. I would hope that there would be at least one "big signing" at Villa this summer.

Benteke staying would be enough for me - well a few more unknown gems would be nice too

Fiorentina interested, so papers say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2013, 12:13:56 PM

Everybody enjoys the buzz of a big signing but seven million quid relative unknowns who are being talked about as worth three or four times as much twelve months later are quite nice too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on June 09, 2013, 12:19:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Hutton in daily record mentions along with 7 others were told they are not part of villas plans. Is this a wages issue? He asays he is in no rush to leave as he has a year left but ideally he wants a permanent move away. Hutton expects villa not to ask for a fee - he says they can't really when he's been told his services aren't required. Though i like to thing we are holding out for some transfer sum - similar with Ireland. Fair play Hutton is okay with Lambert and understands that its club decision but just wants to be playing football.
The comments leads me to speculate  who the 8 are who don't figure in clubs plans. I understand the club is going in a different direction but like to except a fee for Hutton and others rather than free transfers players think of warnock, Ireland, bent, Hutton,dunne, given makoun...

If he's just been told that after his loan ended, I'd say Bent, Ireland, Given, Bannan, Marshall, Delfouneso and maybe one of the N'Zogbia, Herd, Albrighton, Holman. I don't think Makoun is one of them since he's been bought by Rennes and Warnock already left.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2013, 12:33:26 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

Is that the one who'd slip into Cashley Cole's hotel room whenever he was playing in the midlands?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2013, 12:35:51 PM

Belhanda thing isn't true.

He was on the bench for Morocco last night and they have another WCQ game next Saturday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2013, 12:39:21 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2013, 12:33:26 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:32 PM

I have mentioned this before, but a good friend of mine stayed in touch with his ex girlfriend, who was a secretary or something like that at Small Heath and she said she had known a few arrogant footballers in her time there but Bendtner was in a class of his own. Didn't he have a shirt number showing his weekly wage? Plus his off field behaviour in England and in his home country. Plus the fact he is, in Premier League terms, pretty average.

Is that the one who'd slip into Cashley Cole's hotel room whenever he was playing in the midlands?!

I don't think so. Wasn't that Karen Brady's assisistant? I don't think my mates ex was that high up the chain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 02:29:18 PM

I got the impression the 8 who were told that they knew for some time maybe January however if its just within close season i hope one  of 8 isn't agbonlahor as hull city are rumoured to be interested in signing gabby ! I really don't expect villa to sell him as he was one of main players in team if club are going in new direction i don't think bannan and albrighton would be surplus to requirements either. Nzogbia or holman to go ? Or both depending on incoming signings !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on June 09, 2013, 02:33:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 02:29:18 PM

I got the impression the 8 who were told that they knew for some time maybe January however if its just within close season i hope one  of 8 isn't agbonlahor as hull city are rumoured to be interested in signing gabby ! I really don't expect villa to sell him as he was one of main players in team if club are going in new direction i don't think bannan and albrighton would be surplus to requirements either. Nzogbia or holman to go ? Or both depending on incoming signings !

I think it's otherway around this season than last one when we had to get rid Collins first and then get Vlaar... we'll first try to get new players in and then get rid of surpluss, don't think N'Zogbia or Holman would be hard to get rid, I can see other teams coming for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

I've seen him linked to arsenal and  spurs but we are the only english club to firm up any interest so i understand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

I've seen him linked to arsenal and  spurs but we are the only english club to firm up any interest so i understand.

Don't you mean according to the internet media etc?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

I've seen him linked to arsenal and  spurs but we are the only english club to firm up any interest so i understand.

Don't you mean according to the internet media etc?

According to the Montpellier chairman!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .



What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on June 09, 2013, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

I lived in Montpellier for a good while and he's extremely popular there. In fact it's amazing what they have done as a team (they've come from nowhere). I just can't help thinking this is another Juninho, or more recently Coutinho - someone who is just too good for us. It would be a great statement of intent for the club but surely some other clubs will come in for someone of his calibre.

Don't want to get too excited.... (by the way, where's Dan's sudden knowledge come from?)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2013, 04:17:41 PM

I don't think you can say Juninho was "just too good for us", bearing in mind he signed for Middlesbrough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on June 09, 2013, 04:19:24 PM

Not that he was really "too good" for us, just that it seems we don't ever seem to go all the way with these signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pottervillain on June 09, 2013, 04:25:01 PM

Would have been one hell of a signing at the time!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:27:08 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

I've seen him linked to arsenal and  spurs but we are the only english club to firm up any interest so i understand.

Don't you mean according to the internet media etc?

According to the Montpellier chairman!

That is some ITK claim. You speak to the Montpellier chariman, i'm impressed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:27:08 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 03:56:40 PM

Regards belhanda difficult to know what to believe - French radio reports and people sayin villa reps in talks. I wonder why any other English clubs aren't linked esp as become more public he is available. Hope to get lucky with this one pull a major coup and sign him. Prince boateng is leaving Milan and not sure why belhanda would nt want to go there.. Well i think i just wait for next rumoured news on belhanda from those hear and the world media.

I've seen him linked to arsenal and  spurs but we are the only english club to firm up any interest so i understand.

Don't you mean according to the internet media etc?

According to the Montpellier chairman!

That is some ITK claim. You speak to the Montpellier chariman, i'm impressed!

Come now pws, nothing to do with iitk or claimed to be , you know the Montpellier chairman has been quoted in several sources mentioning villas interest, which seems more credible than some unquoted rumours on here  - anyway off topic the tv thread has something to tickle your fancy ;)


The Midlands club is the only Premier League side to have made a concrete offer for the Moroccan, but faces competition from AC Milan, Inter, Atletico Madrid and Galatasaray.

Montpellier president Louis Nicollin claims Aston Villa has made a bid for Younes Belhanda.

The Moroccan playmaker is thought to be keen on a move to the Premier League, but of the five clubs that have made bids, Villa is the only side from England.

After winning the Ligue 1 title in 2012, Belhanda enjoyed another impressive season in France, scoring 12 goals in 35 appearances for a Montpellier side that struggled to replicate its heroics of last season. The club has confirmed that Belhanda will depart one way or another.

"He is leaving," Nicollin told LeSport10. "There are four or five clubs that have come in. It is now down to the player to choose now, because we are almost in agreement with the clubs. He will leave for 14-15 million euros."

Asked if the offers were concrete, Nicollin replied: "Yes. From AC Milan, Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid, Galatasaray and Aston Villa.

Belhanda had been set to leave the Ligue 1 side for some time now and Nicollin admitted that the 23-year-old can now choose his destination.

"We have no problem now, he [Belhanda] has the authority to agree with whoever he wants now," Nicollin said.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2013, 05:01:08 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .

I know dave in bath seems to follow a lot of European football and he is someone who is mostly on the money with European players.

What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

I've seen quite a bit of french football from last season, I watch spanish, german, dutch and french football far more than English, because it's far better as a neutral.  Belhanda is one of the best prospects in the league, him and Aubameyang are worthy of the praise they get.  In the dutch football I'm a huge fan of Adam Maher and Kevin Strootman, the latter is looking at the big teams this summer though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2013, 05:01:50 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

Come now pws, nothing to do with iitk or claimed to be , you know the Montpellier chairman has been quoted in several sources mentioning villas interest, which seems more credible than some unquoted rumours on here

So "so I understand" would be better phrased as "so I read in a newspaper article that was posted on this website"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 05:04:14 PM

Maybe mark Hughes pitching up at stoke could be interested in Ireland - he got the best from him at city during his time .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 05:06:30 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 09, 2013, 05:01:50 PM

So "so I understand" would be better phrased as "so I read in a newspaper article that was posted on this website"?

So I understand from quotes widely posted and reported in several places- i didnt say so i was told or even suggest anything of the sort !

Quotes have been reported from owner and player which wouls suggest there's something in it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 05:12:15 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 09, 2013, 04:17:41 PM

I don't think you can say Juninho was "just too good for us", bearing in mind he signed for Middlesbrough.

Ditto Coutinho.  The only clubs in world football after him for the price he went for were Liverpool and Southampton.  He's undeniably looking a good player but "too good for us" really is putting down Villa. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2013, 08:47:05 AM

If he signed for us, how do people feel as us only being seen as a stepping stone to a bigger club?

Personally I feel this is now the reality and we should embrace it.  Besides if such players are "too good for us" then they'll have raised our game sufficiently that there will be less and less better clubs that they can join from us.  Not to mention the profits made will allow further speculation.

The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 05:21:23 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2013, 08:47:05 AM

If he signed for us, how do people feel as us only being seen as a stepping stone to a bigger club?

Personally I feel this is now the reality and we should embrace it.  Besides if such players are "too good for us" then they'll have raised our game sufficiently that there will be less and less better clubs that they can join from us.  Not to mention the profits made will allow further speculation.

The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

If he does use as a stepping stone it will mean leaving the club in a lot better state than what he found it were he to be offered a bigger job eventually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2013, 05:22:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 05:12:15 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 09, 2013, 04:17:41 PM

I don't think you can say Juninho was "just too good for us", bearing in mind he signed for Middlesbrough.

Ditto Coutinho.  The only clubs in world football after him for the price he went for were Liverpool and Southampton.  He's undeniably looking a good player but "too good for us" really is putting down Villa. 

Quite, 'too expensive for us' would be true in both those cases, both in terms of fees and wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:42:18 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 05:21:23 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2013, 08:47:05 AM

If he signed for us, how do people feel as us only being seen as a stepping stone to a bigger club?

Personally I feel this is now the reality and we should embrace it.  Besides if such players are "too good for us" then they'll have raised our game sufficiently that there will be less and less better clubs that they can join from us.  Not to mention the profits made will allow further speculation.

The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

If he does use as a stepping stone it will mean leaving the club in a lot better state than what he found it were he to be offered a bigger job eventually.

True. True. But as much as I like and respect Lerner his track record in mangers is pretty piss poor. Not sure I want him spinning the big wheel again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 09, 2013, 05:55:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .



What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

I knew about him! He did really well for Montpellier last season, although they've come back down to earth this year. He's a bit like Ben Arfa - the quality to really hurt teams, but can drift in and out of games. He has been know to get a bit stroppy too, but hey, he's French after all.

And more importantly, he's great on Pro Evo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 09, 2013, 05:57:37 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 09, 2013, 05:55:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .



What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

And more importantly, he's great on Pro Evo.

That'll do me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2013, 05:58:55 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

I think he had an injury or something....KEA was a regular for Morocco not so long ago.....

Don't see why it's impossible to not sign him as Newcastle signed Hatem Ben Arfa the year they were promoted back to the prem.

If he wants to play in England and none of the European teams show interest, then it would seem a logical move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 06:17:55 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 09, 2013, 05:55:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .



What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

I knew about him! He did really well for Montpellier last season, although they've come back down to earth this year. He's a bit like Ben Arfa - the quality to really hurt teams, but can drift in and out of games. He has been know to get a bit stroppy too, but hey, he's French after all.

And more importantly, he's great on Pro Evo.

He's not french is he? I thought he was Moroccan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 06:19:54 PM

He was born in France of Moroccan descent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 07:19:52 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:06:20 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 09, 2013, 04:05:23 PM

Anyone know of Belhanda was on Moroccos bench for fitness reasons or selection. Is he a first choice for them normally? Might he potentially not be as good as some people think?

How many of those championing his signature had actually heard of him a fortnight ago?

Lambert seems to have a good scouting network and we will be linked with a few players many of us haven't much knowledge of .



What I've seen of belhanda on clips looks good but i don't really follow french football.

well i watch champions league football and remember him against arsenal and also watch french ligue 1 and seen him in some league and cup matches espn and online

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

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The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

I think it will be another 2 or 3 years before he gets the opportunity to move onto a so called bigger job , the likes of Dortmund or Celtic may well appeal to him at some stage but some way down the line.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2013, 07:41:33 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 09, 2013, 05:01:50 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

Come now pws, nothing to do with iitk or claimed to be , you know the Montpellier chairman has been quoted in several sources mentioning villas interest, which seems more credible than some unquoted rumours on here

So "so I understand" would be better phrased as "so I read in a newspaper article that was posted on this website"?

You have to say "so I understand" in relation to any link in your bestest Sky Sports voice, and absolutely believe it when saying it. Yet knowing full well that it is guesswork in it's most charitable form, but actually utter, utter bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

I think it will be another 2 or 3 years before he gets the opportunity to move onto a so called bigger job , the likes of Dortmund or Celtic may well appeal to him at some stage but some way down the line.

Celtic bigger than the Villa?
That is you being very thick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 07:46:18 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

That is you being very thick.

Less of the insults please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:50:50 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

I think it will be another 2 or 3 years before he gets the opportunity to move onto a so called bigger job , the likes of Dortmund or Celtic may well appeal to him at some stage but some way down the line.

Celtic bigger than the Villa?
That is you being very thick.

Exactly how many fans do Celtic have in comparison?  He's a scot who supported Celtic and played for them - they play on a shit league but are still a huge club and it wouldn't be a great surprise if one day he managed them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:51:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 07:46:18 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

That is you being very thick.

Less of the insults please.

I thought I was being very restraint considering what he wrote,oh well that's me in the naughty corner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:54:57 PM

Have Celtic won The peace cup?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 09, 2013, 07:55:31 PM

 The value of Benteke allows PL to take a "gamble" on players like Belhanda, foward attacking players who move to a club like Villa and cement their reputation at performing at a decent level, and then moving on.

 Benteke will go , either this summer, or more likely next summer, for no less than £30m, that means PL, in effect has £20m to reinvest in improving players , like Belhanda, and hopefully develop into £30m players.

 From what i have seen of Belhanda, he looks a good player, he is 23, and will get better, as to will McCarthy from Wigan.Players like that are what we should be gambling on imho.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:51:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 07:46:18 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

That is you being very thick.

Less of the insults please.

I thought I was being very restraint considering what he wrote,oh well that's me in the naughty corner.

You can debate your heart away, say that the post you are replying to is utter tosh and so on. As has been stated many times before, personal insults are not acceptable.

So please apologise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:59:51 PM

Sorry eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 08:02:00 PM

Thank you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 08:11:52 PM

There's a rumour on Twitter, that someone's heard a rumour about
someone possibly speculating that a deal for Luke Murphy at Crewe may possibly be 'imminent'.

As I understand it,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2013, 08:24:10 PM

Best rumour I have heard all day!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 08:29:39 PM

Pretty concrete too, eh?

The same guy is linking us with Jesus Fernandez, 4th choice Real Madrid keeper.

No need to thank me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2013, 08:33:01 PM

No no thank you this is good kosher stuff. Jesus will help us as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 08:41:33 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

I think it will be another 2 or 3 years before he gets the opportunity to move onto a so called bigger job , the likes of Dortmund or Celtic may well appeal to him at some stage but some way down the line.

Celtic bigger than the Villa?
That is you being very thick.

Dortmund were the best supported club in Europe this season with an average of 80,050
Celtic were 14th in average gates without rangers in the league.
Villa were 44th on the list .

Celtic 30 trophies in the last 30 years , 3 European finals in their history.
Villa one league title in 110years and no fa cup for 56 years

Celtic worldwide huge support even though they play in a poor league .
Champions league qualifiers 11 times.

Yes I must be really thick to think they are a bigger club than us ;)
Celtic A club who last year were estimated to have a following of 9 million fans.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 08:42:47 PM

Bert apologised eastie, no need to kick it back up again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 09, 2013, 08:46:18 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 08:42:47 PM

Bert apologised eastie, no need to kick it back up again.

Apology accepted pws , just stating my reasons .

Time for darts , enjoy your evening all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 08:56:17 PM

Oh and welcome back eastie!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 09, 2013, 09:14:39 PM

Andi - 3 year contract to be signed tomorrow. This thread or...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2013, 09:18:27 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 09, 2013, 09:14:39 PM

Andi - 3 year contract to be signed tomorrow. This thread or...?

Source?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 09:19:27 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2013, 09:18:27 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 09, 2013, 09:14:39 PM

Andi - 3 year contract to be signed tomorrow. This thread or...?

Source?

Brown. HP.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tonypvilla on June 09, 2013, 09:20:12 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andreas-weimann-agrees-sign-new-4282760

just read this article thought I would share the news!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2013, 09:23:12 PM

Well that's a fruity source!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 09, 2013, 09:24:04 PM

Thanks, tonypvilla. Mat Kendrick.

I think we all love Der Weimann, but he did look knackered towards the end of the season. Understandably - and he will get better with experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 09, 2013, 09:24:27 PM

Great news about Weimann. Top lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 09, 2013, 09:25:14 PM

hope so, fingers crossed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2013, 09:25:23 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 08:29:39 PM

Pretty concrete too, eh?

The same guy is linking us with Jesus Fernandez, 4th choice Real Madrid keeper.

No need to thank me.

Do you need to run this rumour past Dan? - I'd feel more confident about it if it's something he's heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2013, 09:26:25 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 09:19:27 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2013, 09:18:27 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 09, 2013, 09:14:39 PM

Andi - 3 year contract to be signed tomorrow. This thread or...?

Source?

Brown. HP.

Got to be Tomato Ketchup ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2013, 09:30:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on January 03, 1970, 06:08:53 PM

Celtic 30 trophies in the last 30 years

Brilliant and very similar to my achievement in collecting 100000 nectar points over the last 10 years!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2013, 09:34:00 PM

Great news, Andi is vital.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 09:38:32 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 09, 2013, 09:25:23 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 08:29:39 PM

Pretty concrete too, eh?

The same guy is linking us with Jesus Fernandez, 4th choice Real Madrid keeper.

No need to thank me.

Do you need to run this rumour past Dan? - I'd feel more confident about it if it's something he's heard.

I'm just waiting on Dan to confirm what time he's due at Bodymoor Heath in the morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 09:39:42 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 09, 2013, 09:30:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on January 03, 1970, 06:08:53 PM

Celtic 30 trophies in the last 30 years

Brilliant and very similar to my achievement in collecting 100000 nectar points over the last 10 years!

Scottish Football Is a basket case.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 09:54:53 PM

Lambert wants to add more raw talent to squad  and after securing Baker Lowton Westwood Weimann Clark,  and hopefully benteke we can move forward. Hes  got a list of names to improve us and for us to build on the expected signings will create a healthy ­competition.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 09, 2013, 10:04:36 PM

Celtic probably are a bigger club than us, but no player at the peak of their career and of sane mind would join them and see it as a step up. 

It's all very well playing eight to ten CL games every season but you crash back to earth the following weekend when you're playing in front of a few thousand at Motherwell or wherever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 10:23:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 08:41:33 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 09, 2013, 07:25:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

I think it will be another 2 or 3 years before he gets the opportunity to move onto a so called bigger job , the likes of Dortmund or Celtic may well appeal to him at some stage but some way down the line.

Celtic bigger than the Villa?
That is you being very thick.

Dortmund were the best supported club in Europe this season with an average of 80,050
Celtic were 14th in average gates without rangers in the league.
Villa were 44th on the list .

Celtic 30 trophies in the last 30 years , 3 European finals in their history.
Villa one league title in 110years and no fa cup for 56 years

Celtic worldwide huge support even though they play in a poor league .
Champions league qualifiers 11 times.

Yes I must be really thick to think they are a bigger club than us ;)
Celtic A club who last year were estimated to have a following of 9 million fans.

Celtic's average crowds:

http://www.fitbastats.com/celtic/club_records_league_attendance.php

There's a lot to be said about stadium expansion and how it galvanizes a support.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2013, 10:43:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 09, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

...
The only person I am worried about using us as a stepping stone is Lambert. Silly I know for a bloke who nearly got us relegated but I think he is the most important asset at the club.

I've no doubt Lambert would move on should the 'right' club come callng but I think it will become increasingly difficult for him to leave. The number of 'right' clubs is diminishing and will continue to do so if we progress as we did last season.

This is his team reflecting his vision. He has a lot of himself invested in Villa. He also has a position where he has scope to do things the way he wants.

Without actually getting the job there, this is as close to his beloved Dortmund that he's ever likely to be.

Call me naive, but I also think the support he got last season from us and the board would count for something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 09, 2013, 10:47:38 PM

I couldn't give a fuck about Celtic and neither will anybody looking for a career move. Not from Villa anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:48:10 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 10:23:42 PM

Celtic's average crowds:

http://www.fitbastats.com/celtic/club_records_league_attendance.php

There's a lot to be said about stadium expansion and how it galvanizes a support.

Not so much expansion as it's always been a big ground. But interesting how the gates changed from 1995 onwards, it's almost like a lot of new fans appeared from nowhere. Much like happened in this country.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2013, 10:52:38 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:48:10 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 09, 2013, 10:23:42 PM

Celtic's average crowds:

http://www.fitbastats.com/celtic/club_records_league_attendance.php

There's a lot to be said about stadium expansion and how it galvanizes a support.

Not so much expansion as it's always been a big ground. But interesting how the gates changed in 96/97, it's almost like a lot of new fans appeared from nowhere. Much like happened in this country.

I like the way they drop down to about 18,000 in 82-83, one of the few times in their history when there was genuine competition in their league and they weren't wiping the floor with everyone.

On that evidence a move south might not be wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:55:57 PM

Up to 1994 they were still getting gates of less than 10K. 94/95 was the first season in their history they didn't have a crowd of less than 20K. Where have 30,000 fans suddenly appeared from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 10:57:18 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:55:57 PM

Up to 1994 they were still getting gates of less than 10K. 94/95 was the first season in their history they didn't have a crowd of less than 20K. Where have 30,000 fans suddenly appeared from?

Dublin?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:57:44 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 09, 2013, 10:57:18 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 10:55:57 PM

Up to 1994 they were still getting gates of less than 10K. 94/95 was the first season in their history they didn't have a crowd of less than 20K. Where have 30,000 fans suddenly appeared from?

Dublin?

Shame Dion didn't send them to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 09, 2013, 11:25:08 PM

Can we start talking about Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours please. Now, this Belhanda bloke...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 09, 2013, 11:35:59 PM

Ok, MOMS mention 2 more names this week...

Speculate away!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 09, 2013, 11:44:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 09:54:53 PM

Lambert wants to add more raw talent to squad  and after securing Baker Lowton Westwood Weimann Clark,  and hopefully benteke we can move forward. Hes  got a list of names to improve us and for us to build on the expected signings will create a healthy ­competition.

Surely not  :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 09, 2013, 11:48:14 PM

I'm going to guess at Okore and Murphy, at a cost of £5m between them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2013, 11:52:07 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 09, 2013, 11:35:59 PM

Ok, MOMS mention 2 more names this week...

Speculate away!

What/who?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2013, 11:53:34 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2013, 11:52:07 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on June 09, 2013, 11:35:59 PM

Ok, MOMS mention 2 more names this week...

Speculate away!

What/who?

Never heard of 'em Dave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 11:57:08 PM

I bet Dan knows more than MOMS does.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 12:00:33 AM

This is MOMS idea of ITK, posted at 11pm on Friday

"I thought Tonev was going to be announced Monday, as I had word that some of the Polish admin side of things wasn't sorted. Turns out this was true, as the BBC have reported it. But Villa announced to the press anyway to give fans something for the weekend. Good to know the source was spot on though."

Call everything after it's in the press. Now THAT is ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 12:01:31 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 11:57:08 PM

I bet Dan knows more than MOMS does.

I still haven't worked out who or what MOMS is, or who/what are?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 12:02:50 AM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 12:01:31 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 11:57:08 PM

I bet Dan knows more than MOMS does.

I still haven't worked out who or what MOMS is, or who/what are?!

You aren't missing much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 12:12:31 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 12:02:50 AM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 12:01:31 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 09, 2013, 11:57:08 PM

I bet Dan knows more than MOMS does.

I still haven't worked out who or what MOMS is, or who/what are?!

You aren't missing much.

Fair do's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 12:19:22 AM

It's My Old Man Said. Another great piece of ITK from him 10 minutes ago "Still heard no mention about Belanda. That might be a red herring, as I've said before." So it might be a red herring, or it may not. Essential ITK there. Unless there is a player called Belanda and it's a ruse as we go for Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 12:22:30 AM

Not being able to spell his name doesn't exactly enhance credibility either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2013, 12:30:51 AM

I love the way these blogs spring up from nowhere, nobody's ever heard of or met the people who run them, yet they make out they have the inside track on everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 10, 2013, 01:10:18 AM

The CIA should be using their illegal Web activities to close MOM down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 01:17:51 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 12:19:22 AM

It's My Old Man Said. Another great piece of ITK from him 10 minutes ago "Still heard no mention about Belanda. That might be a red herring, as I've said before." So it might be a red herring, or it may not. Essential ITK there. Unless there is a player called Belanda and it's a ruse as we go for Belhanda.

Insightful stuff!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 01:17:59 AM

my moms thinks Brian Little still plays for us . She knows nothing , must go round to see her tomorrow been too long.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:26:03 AM

The Sun linking us with Robson-Kanu at Reading.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4961957/Hal-Robson-Kanu-wants-to-leave-Reading-Aston-Villa-interested.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2013, 02:30:36 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:26:03 AM

The Sun linking us with Robson-Kanu at Reading.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4961957/Hal-Robson-Kanu-wants-to-leave-Reading-Aston-Villa-interested.html

I love how some articles are written. Apparently we're on alert, so I can only imagine Lambert got a call in the middle of the night and had to report in to HQ immediately to be briefed of these latest developments. Next Reading will be "bracing themselves" for a bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:41:18 AM

But no mention of a transfer war chest. Dissapointing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2013, 07:21:02 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:41:18 AM

But no mention of a transfer war chest. Dissapointing.

Surely a war chest is where a geordie applies his Vicks' Vaporub.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 07:21:10 AM

He was the only Reading player that impressed me last season. Thought he looked  very decent player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 10, 2013, 07:58:16 AM

1.) Part of the Reading squad that made us look like Brazil 1970
2.) Dont much like the attitude of trying to dump the team whose academy he went through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 08:15:37 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:26:03 AM

The Sun linking us with Robson-Kanu at Reading.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4961957/Hal-Robson-Kanu-wants-to-leave-Reading-Aston-Villa-interested.html

Any relation of Robson Jerome?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 08:27:55 AM

Well that was a shite and boring weekend for us on the transfer front. Lets hope this week is busier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2013, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 08:15:37 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 10, 2013, 02:26:03 AM

The Sun linking us with Robson-Kanu at Reading.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4961957/Hal-Robson-Kanu-wants-to-leave-Reading-Aston-Villa-interested.html

Any relation of Robson Jerome?

kanu nwankwo was said to have the largest luncheon meat of his generation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 08:37:57 AM

I quite like Robson-Kanu, he's not a bad player at all. Not sure where he would fit in here though. I can see him ending up somewhere like Norwich.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 10, 2013, 08:53:34 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 08:27:55 AM

Well that was a shite and boring weekend for us on the transfer front. Lets hope this week is busier.

Did you forget to include your right or left handed wink there, my lad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 09:02:14 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 10, 2013, 08:53:34 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 08:27:55 AM

Well that was a shite and boring weekend for us on the transfer front. Lets hope this week is busier.

Did you forget to include your right or left handed wink there, my lad?

I thought something was missing ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tjmill on June 10, 2013, 10:51:13 AM

Heard rumour villa are looking at Austin from Burnley. Not sure he would be worth the reported 5m being asked though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on June 10, 2013, 10:56:22 AM

Quote from: tjmill on June 10, 2013, 10:51:13 AM

Heard rumour villa are looking at Austin from Burnley. Not sure he would be worth the reported 5m being asked though.

If we sign him JR's gonna have to start doing commentary on AVTV.

"BAH GAWD, IT'S AUSTIN, WITH THE GOAL. THAT NET IS DAMN NEAR BROKEN IN HALF"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 11:07:11 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 08:37:57 AM

I quite like Robson-Kanu, he's not a bad player at all. Not sure where he would fit in here though. I can see him ending up somewhere like Norwich.

Having seen him play for Wales a few times he is probably best employed in a wide forward role in a 4-3-3.  Couldn't really see him being anything but a squad player for us though really. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2013, 11:47:39 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 11:07:11 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 08:37:57 AM

I quite like Robson-Kanu, he's not a bad player at all. Not sure where he would fit in here though. I can see him ending up somewhere like Norwich.

Having seen him play for Wales a few times he is probably best employed in a wide forward role in a 4-3-3.  Couldn't really see him being anything but a squad player for us though really.

only 13 starts for them last season too. The competition wasnt up to much so maybe thats telling. Do remember him tearing Evra a new one alright but Gabby, Weimann, Nzogbia and now Tonev are all options out wide so dont see it happening at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:02:40 PM

He would be alright for Palace or Hull

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 10, 2013, 12:10:37 PM

Disappointed the Belhanda rumour appears to be bollocks.

I'd have seen the signing of him as a 'we mean business' kind of one. He's got pretty much everything our midfield so sorely lacks. Plus it's always nice to have a bit of creativity and flair on the pitch

Not sure how someone like Murphy is going to add the same. Sometimes you have to shop at Waitrose and Lidl if you want a top meal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:12:40 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/10/aston-villa-not-interested-in-younes-belhanda/


yes shame that

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 10, 2013, 12:14:36 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 10, 2013, 12:10:37 PM

Disappointed the Belhanda rumour appears to be bollocks.

I'd have seen the signing of him as a 'we mean business' kind of one. He's got pretty much everything our midfield so sorely lacks. Plus it's always nice to have a bit of creativity and flair on the pitch

Not sure how someone like Murphy is going to add the same. Sometimes you have to shop at Waitrose and Lidl if you want a top meal.

Sometimes we are the Polar Bear and sometimes we are the Penguins

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 10, 2013, 12:20:37 PM

hmmm, not sure I agree.  If Murphy does sign and makes the step up that Westwood has made, then that surely will show far better value for money.  The Benteke signing from last year shows that when they really want someone they go and get him, but value for money is still in mind.  Imagine how much better we could have signed players over the first 3-4 years with Lerners money if that had been the policy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 12:29:19 PM

It is a shame, and no doubt in the usual fashion he will join a rival and look great, but if we go down the route of Murphy, Okore, Cresswell maybe Austin and Popov for example, then it is a clear continuation of a theme and policy to create a side of a specific age and culture. Maybe signing a player for significantly more money than them at this point in time is still outside of our range, and could jeopardise the squad building as a whole?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:31:24 PM

we do really need that type of player thou .

We look pretty good at times away from home when we hit teams on the break but a lot of times at home it just does not work as teams park their bottoms , we just need that extra bit of flair in there to create more .


What Ireland should have been doing .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 12:35:39 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:31:24 PM

we do really need that type of player thou .

We look pretty good at times away from home when we hit teams on the break but a lot of times at home it just does not work as teams park their bottoms , we just need that extra bit of flair in there to create more .


What Ireland should have been doing .

I think since Christmas we have created enough chances in almost every home game to win it in fairness. I am more concerned about cover for Benteke, and Murphy and Tonev, together with Gardner will all add different dimensions going forward. Lambert seems in it for the long haul, so spending 3-4 seasons building foundations would appear a fairly logical plan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on June 10, 2013, 12:37:06 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:12:40 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/10/aston-villa-not-interested-in-younes-belhanda/


yes shame that

Yes, but would you trust a rag like the Express & Star? There's no quotes, seems to be lazy journalism. I'd be more interested by what Mat Kendrick says - he's pretty reliable with his info....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2013, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on June 10, 2013, 12:37:06 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:12:40 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/10/aston-villa-not-interested-in-younes-belhanda/


yes shame that

Yes, but would you trust a rag like the Express & Star? There's no quotes, seems to be lazy journalism. I'd be more interested by what Mat Kendrick says - he's pretty reliable with his info....

That whole "there aren't any quotes, so it can't be true, and it must be lazy journalism" line that gets squealed out on VillaTalk all the time is utter nonsense.

There are plenty of true news stories which contain no quotes. I'd also be a bit annoyed if i were a journalist getting called "lazy" because i wrote something from an unnamed source, or because people didn't want to hear what I was saying.

I bet you believe this, for instance, which also has no quotes.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andreas-weimann-agrees-sign-new-4282760

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2013, 12:53:16 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 09, 2013, 11:44:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 09, 2013, 09:54:53 PM

Lambert wants to add more raw talent to squad  and after securing Baker Lowton Westwood Weimann Clark,  and hopefully benteke we can move forward. Hes  got a list of names to improve us and for us to build on the expected signings will create a healthy ­competition.

Surely not  :o

Steady on Doorbell the statement is full of deep thinking and capital letters!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2013, 01:06:12 PM

Is the Belhanda story the the summers first mini OGS event?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 10, 2013, 01:11:26 PM

 

Quote from: Villafirst on June 10, 2013, 12:37:06 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:12:40 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/10/aston-villa-not-interested-in-younes-belhanda/


yes shame that

Yes, but would you trust a rag like the Express & Star? There's no quotes, seems to be lazy journalism. I'd be more interested by what Mat Kendrick says - he's pretty reliable with his info....

I go with DanLanza and his predictions , especially when he  ;)!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2013, 01:21:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2013, 12:45:49 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on June 10, 2013, 12:37:06 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2013, 12:12:40 PM

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2013/06/10/aston-villa-not-interested-in-younes-belhanda/


yes shame that

Yes, but would you trust a rag like the Express & Star? There's no quotes, seems to be lazy journalism. I'd be more interested by what Mat Kendrick says - he's pretty reliable with his info....

That whole "there aren't any quotes, so it can't be true, and it must be lazy journalism" line that gets squealed out on VillaTalk all the time is utter nonsense.

There are plenty of true news stories which contain no quotes. I'd also be a bit annoyed if i were a journalist getting called "lazy" because i wrote something from an unnamed source, or because people didn't want to hear what I was saying.

I bet you believe this, for instance, which also has no quotes.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andreas-weimann-agrees-sign-new-4282760

I'd normally agree but when the chairman of a club claims you've bid and the club does nothing to deny it a report saying 'we understand they're not interested' does seem a little 'thin'.  It may be correct it may not be but that article means very little.

As I've said before I can see the sense in making it up for the other teams listed but an English club that is regarded as not having a pot to piss in by the media and who were only safely in the league next season in the last week seems a really strange choice to lure other teams in.

For what it's worth; I don't think we've bid, but I do think we've talked to them about him and I think there's definitely an interest there I just don't know if Lambert is willing to spend that big on a player at the minute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

I doubt he would come considering teams that are in for him but I bet the express and star know feck all

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM

Interesting that Okore, who we've allegedly had a bid rejected for, says that he turned down a move to Chelsea in January as he wants first team football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2013, 02:12:27 PM

The thing with Belhanda. I'd love it to happen. But if the price quoted is 12 million. That just seems well beyond what we're going to be paying these days.
I'd guess Popov is more likely and he'd probably work well with Tonev. Ditto Murphy who I'd assume would gel pretty quickly with Westy again. One of them two probably.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 02:18:38 PM

If I'm being honest, I'm not overly disappointed by this. As good as he looks offensively, he doesn't half remind me of Taraabt at QPR.

I'm not sure we're quite ready to accommodate a player who probably offers nothing when we haven't got the ball (although I'm assuming this is the case, having not seen much of him), hence PL never really fancying Darren Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 03:08:37 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 02:18:38 PM

If I'm being honest, I'm not overly disappointed by this. As good as he looks offensively, he doesn't half remind me of Taraabt at QPR.

I'm not sure we're quite ready to accommodate a player who probably offers nothing when we haven't got the ball (although I'm assuming this is the case, having not seen much of him), hence PL never really fancying Darren Bent.

Only seen a few Youtube clips of him, but we would have to change the formation we employed at the end of the season to accommodate a player like that.  We would have to switch back to a 4-2-3-1 as opposed to the 4-3-3 which served us pretty well.  Would be nice to have the option there if a change is needed, but we probably won't be paying £12m for a squad option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 03:42:26 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 03:08:37 PM

Only seen a few Youtube clips of him, but we would have to change the formation we employed at the end of the season to accommodate a player like that.  We would have to switch back to a 4-2-3-1 as opposed to the 4-3-3 which served us pretty well.

Know what you're saying here, Tom, but when does 4-3-3 become 4-2-3-1 or even 4-5-1? I'm pretty sure there were occasions at the end of the season where our MF and front players were morphing through several 'formations'. One of the benefits that Gabby and Weimann afford us is their effort and back-tracking; we sometimes had Benteke and Sylla upfront for periods of games.

I'm just saying that sometimes too much is made of the formation: the real issue is whether the players on the pitch have the nous, the training and the ability to adapt to the changing phases of a game. One thing that Lambert has - I think - brought to our game is a more fluid approach, and his focus on youngsters means that they are perhaps more willing to learn and adapt.

Not sure where Belhanda might fit in all of that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2013, 03:49:26 PM

We accomodated Nzogbia in that role quite a bit and I'd be amazed if Belhanda gave less defensive contribution than him.  From what I've seen he's very hard working but does do a lot of that work further forward, which is fine so long as he's closing the ball down and not letting a defensive anchor control the game for the opposition.  I don't like Nzogbia in there because he doesn't do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2013, 03:53:09 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

I doubt he would come considering teams that are in for him but I bet the express and star know feck all

I imagine the Aston Villa correspondent of the Express and Star, or their football desk, know a lot more about it then every single person on here.

That's their job, that's why they have contacts at the club. Maybe their contacts have said we are not interested to put up a smokescreen, maybe they are being honest, I don't know, but you not have to be overly gullible to think local sports journalists are likely to know more than we do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2013, 04:08:47 PM

surely a lot depends on what budget Lambert is operating on, especially so given the possibility of Benteke leaving. an acquisition budget excluding major sales is probably very limited, one with a basic amount plus a percentage of sales, might not be so limiting and a £10-12 m player becomes feasible. I tend to agree though that billy big bollocks type s will upset what looks like a great team ethos

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2013, 04:09:19 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 02:18:38 PM

If I'm being honest, I'm not overly disappointed by this. As good as he looks offensively, he doesn't half remind me of Taraabt at QPR.

I'm not sure we're quite ready to accommodate a player who probably offers nothing when we haven't got the ball (although I'm assuming this is the case, having not seen much of him), hence PL never really fancying Darren Bent.

He's played as a defensive midfielder on numerous occasions.  He likes a tackle and even has a bit of a nastry streak about him.   More Dembele than Taraabt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2013, 04:40:09 PM

I tend to think that when the local press definitively reports that Villa are not interested in a player, it really does mean Villa are not interested. IYou can put yer house on it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 10, 2013, 04:42:14 PM

To be honest, like many others the link with us was the first I've heard of Belhanda. I'm sure he's a very good player but I'm not going to be too disappointed that we're not in for him. Especially as I have every faith that Lambert has some gems lined up and if they're in the mould of Westwood and Lowton will come our way for a tenth of the fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 04:55:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Barry Robson's about 35 and playing in the championship, ya daft sod.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 04:56:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Wow. Just... wow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 10, 2013, 05:01:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 04:56:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Wow. Just... wow.

Surely it's a post deliberately done as a joke? Isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 10, 2013, 05:06:14 PM

my word

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 05:06:33 PM

Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on June 10, 2013, 05:01:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 04:56:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Wow. Just... wow.

Surely it's a post deliberately done as a joke? Isn't it?

Any other poster I would think yes for certain, but I just never know with Villa Kicks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 05:12:01 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

Decade?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 05:13:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

What the ...?

Nurse! Get the medication, and fast!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 10, 2013, 05:14:21 PM

I think somebody has been living in a cave  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2013, 05:14:35 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

I'd go as far as post of the millennium.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 05:17:12 PM

Of course he's taking the piss.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 10, 2013, 05:18:10 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 05:17:12 PM

Of course he's taking the piss.

If he isn't we all might as well give up and find something better to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 05:19:21 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

Post of the internet. VK now owns the interweb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 05:22:44 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

Pearce is a funny one: I don't remember much being said about him last season but now we're into the silly season everyone is touting him for greatness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 10, 2013, 05:23:00 PM

Could someone post an unsubstantiated rumour about who we are going to buy. It doesn't need to be grounded in fact, just make one up. I need something to talk about in the pub tonight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

But what about Kanu?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 10, 2013, 05:24:29 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 10, 2013, 05:23:00 PM

Could someone post an unsubstantiated rumour about who we are going to buy. It doesn't need to be grounded in fact, just make one up. I need something to talk about in the pub tonight.

I hear we're after the Togolese Zidane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 10, 2013, 05:26:15 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

But what about Kanu?

He'll soon be celebrating his 50th birthday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:28:43 PM

I have just looked up 'Robson-Kanu' in The Meaning Of Liff and it is a dance in a nightclub that resembles an African goal celebration but culminates in you getting your plonker out in front of a woman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 10, 2013, 05:29:01 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 10, 2013, 05:26:15 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

But what about Kanu?

He'll soon be celebrating his 50th birthday.

And we couldn't afford to get his size 23 footie boots made.It bankrupted Pompey.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 10, 2013, 05:33:01 PM

Villakicks you are a Ledge!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2013, 05:35:06 PM

Reports here say we've put in a £8.5m bid in for Porto centre half, Eliaquim Mangala.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 05:35:18 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 10, 2013, 05:29:01 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 10, 2013, 05:26:15 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:21:02 PM

Hasn't Barry Robson just signed for his hometown club Aberdeen? I admit that after his incredible displays for Boro, Sheffield United and whichever MLS club he played for in between I am gutted we didn't snap him up. That will be Randy not prepared to match the wages Aberdeen can offer. I will admit I don't know much about Pearce at Reading, but it would seem as a centre half he has refused a new contract and Liverpool and Newcastle are interested so he may be one to consider. Relatively young as well, I think.

But what about Kanu?

He'll soon be celebrating his 50th birthday.

And we couldn't afford to get his size 23 footie boots made.It bankrupted Pompey.

And his specially 'tailored' shorts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 10, 2013, 05:43:14 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 10, 2013, 05:23:00 PM

Could someone post an unsubstantiated rumour about who we are going to buy. It doesn't need to be grounded in fact, just make one up. I need something to talk about in the pub tonight.

I read somewhere that Benni Macarthy was coming out of retirement to play for us.....





Oh yes...it was me that wrote it....bugger thought I'd got one of Dan's specials there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 10, 2013, 05:43:21 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 10, 2013, 05:35:06 PM

Reports here say we've put in a £8.5m bid in for Porto centre half, Eliaquim Mangala.

I thought he was odds on for Chelsea?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 10, 2013, 05:45:34 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 10, 2013, 05:35:06 PM

Reports here say we've put in a £8.5m bid in for Porto centre half, Eliaquim Mangala.

If that's from Teamtalk then I believe Villakicks more in the double swoop of Robson-Kanu

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 10, 2013, 05:47:39 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 10, 2013, 05:35:06 PM

Reports here say we've put in a £8.5m bid in for Porto centre half, Eliaquim Mangala.

Thank you

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 10, 2013, 05:59:41 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 10, 2013, 05:28:43 PM

I have just looked up 'Robson-Kanu' in The Meaning Of Liff and it is a dance in a nightclub that resembles an African goal celebration but culminates in you getting your plonker out in front of a woman.

Hence the nwankwo ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 10, 2013, 06:03:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 05:19:21 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

Post of the internet. VK now owns the interweb.

(http://i.imgur.com/YCPsn.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2013, 06:05:17 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 10, 2013, 05:47:39 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 10, 2013, 05:35:06 PM

Reports here say we've put in a £8.5m bid in for Porto centre half, Eliaquim Mangala.

Thank you

My pleasure. Hopefully that should do the trick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 06:20:43 PM

That would be a great bit of business. Get Okore too and send Clark on loan. Sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 06:30:34 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 03:42:26 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 03:08:37 PM

Only seen a few Youtube clips of him, but we would have to change the formation we employed at the end of the season to accommodate a player like that.  We would have to switch back to a 4-2-3-1 as opposed to the 4-3-3 which served us pretty well.

Know what you're saying here, Tom, but when does 4-3-3 become 4-2-3-1 or even 4-5-1? I'm pretty sure there were occasions at the end of the season where our MF and front players were morphing through several 'formations'. One of the benefits that Gabby and Weimann afford us is their effort and back-tracking; we sometimes had Benteke and Sylla upfront for periods of games.

I'm just saying that sometimes too much is made of the formation: the real issue is whether the players on the pitch have the nous, the training and the ability to adapt to the changing phases of a game. One thing that Lambert has - I think - brought to our game is a more fluid approach, and his focus on youngsters means that they are perhaps more willing to learn and adapt.

Not sure where Belhanda might fit in all of that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 06:35:29 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 10, 2013, 03:42:26 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 10, 2013, 03:08:37 PM

Only seen a few Youtube clips of him, but we would have to change the formation we employed at the end of the season to accommodate a player like that.  We would have to switch back to a 4-2-3-1 as opposed to the 4-3-3 which served us pretty well.

Know what you're saying here, Tom, but when does 4-3-3 become 4-2-3-1 or even 4-5-1? I'm pretty sure there were occasions at the end of the season where our MF and front players were morphing through several 'formations'. One of the benefits that Gabby and Weimann afford us is their effort and back-tracking; we sometimes had Benteke and Sylla upfront for periods of games.

I'm just saying that sometimes too much is made of the formation: the real issue is whether the players on the pitch have the nous, the training and the ability to adapt to the changing phases of a game. One thing that Lambert has - I think - brought to our game is a more fluid approach, and his focus on youngsters means that they are perhaps more willing to learn and adapt.

Not sure where Belhanda might fit in all of that!

I agree with your points about formations, but there was a definite change in ours towards the end of the season.  Just after the turn of the year, we played with two defensive midfielders and N'Zogbia in front of them.  By the end of the season we had switched to almost a flat three in midfield and as someone mentioned earlier, Sylla and Delph found themselves in wide positions at times.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 06:55:21 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance.

I have special needs but give me a break I jest of course !!  :D

just cover your ears like a kid if my words mean nothing and go la la la la

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2013, 06:58:45 PM

can I have some of you drugs?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2013, 07:09:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2013, 06:58:45 PM

can I have some of you drugs?

Looks like you've dropped an 'r' already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 10, 2013, 07:22:27 PM

I think I've damaged my brain reading that post

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 10, 2013, 07:31:21 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

You don't let other clubs know how much you have to spend , or they will inflate the price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2013, 07:42:18 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 06:20:43 PM

That would be a great bit of business. Get Okore too and send Clark on loan. Sorted.

I think it was in response to the unsubstantiated rumour making post wasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2013, 08:24:27 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2013, 07:09:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 10, 2013, 06:58:45 PM

can I have some of you drugs?

Looks like you've dropped an 'r' already.

Chortle. 'Sorted for Rs and whizz'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

He is a porn actor, not a goal keeper. Has to be with a name like that, surely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 08:27:20 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

Alan Partridge's biggest fan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2013, 08:29:18 PM

If he's anything like some of the signings we had under MON he'd likely change his first name to Bum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2013, 08:32:31 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 08:27:20 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

Alan Partridge's biggest fan?

He likes David Copperfield as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2013, 08:49:55 PM

Jed fucking Steer? He sounds like a slack jawed simpleton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2013, 08:51:25 PM

I found a photo of Jed Steer


(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100514235151/simpsons/images/d/dd/Cletus.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on June 10, 2013, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

We're buying a cat?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2013, 10:02:58 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 05:12:01 PM

Quote from: Legion on June 10, 2013, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 10, 2013, 04:50:07 PM

Interesting to see Robson-Kanu linked that's 2  players?  I think this is unfounded and pure rumour we would want to but either player. Kanu even for experienced role is pushing on and Barry Robson would add steal in midfield but both best playing days are behind them. Now interestingly there's a chap called Robson-Kanu of reading would be a better signing and looked one of more useful players along with Alex Pearce and hope speculation to sign them have more substance. 

Post of the month.

Decade?

Had a shit day at work but VK post has cheered me up no end!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2013, 10:09:08 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 10, 2013, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

We're buying a cat?

And a bird.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2013, 10:10:09 PM

Anyway what do we think about Harmeet Singh? Looked good for Norway U21 and was transferred to Feyenoord last August for £300,000. I am sure we make "a future potential" signing at £1m. Could be great for interest from the "locals" if he succeeds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2013, 10:39:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 10, 2013, 10:09:08 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 10, 2013, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

We're buying a cat?

And a bird.

We used to have a budgie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 10, 2013, 11:04:15 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 10, 2013, 10:39:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 10, 2013, 10:09:08 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on June 10, 2013, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 10, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

It is interesting as no one mentioned what is PL's budget for Transfer Kitty.

We're buying a cat?

And a bird.

We used to have a budgie.

If we sign Harmeet Singh it would be well Sikh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2013, 06:39:56 AM

Given to Celtic?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-shay-given-1944871

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 07:38:02 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 10, 2013, 10:10:09 PM

Anyway what do we think about Harmeet Singh? Looked good for Norway U21 and was transferred to Feyenoord last August for £300,000. I am sure we make "a future potential" signing at £1m. Could be great for interest from the "locals" if he succeeds.

Definately not, we are not in the business of signing players because they will interest the locals .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 07:55:17 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 10, 2013, 08:25:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

He is a porn actor, not a goal keeper. Has to be with a name like that, surely.

and

Quote from: dave shelley on June 10, 2013, 08:29:18 PM

If he's anything like some of the signings we had under MON he'd likely change his first name to Bum.

and

Quote from: PeterWithe on June 10, 2013, 08:49:55 PM

Jed fucking Steer? He sounds like a slack jawed simpleton.

just had me chortling out loudly - brilliant.

Jed Steer? - we opening a cattle farm or summat?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 11, 2013, 08:02:12 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 11, 2013, 06:39:56 AM

Given to Celtic?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-shay-given-1944871

Can't see the point in letting him go on loan. We'd have to sign another 'keeper and could end up with 3 of them on the wage bill next summer. Ask them to take over his contract and we'll call it quits.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 08:04:42 AM

Quote from: Matt C on June 11, 2013, 06:39:56 AM

Given to Celtic?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-shay-given-1944871

From Lennon's quotes on the club's transfer policy concerning older players when he was linked with Dunne last week, I can't see it happening to be honest. I also don't think Celtic pay Given level wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 08:09:42 AM

Wherever Given ends up he may have to take a pay cut so Celtic might be a possible place for him. Maybe Sunderland if they sell Mignolet at some point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 11, 2013, 08:22:53 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 08:27:20 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

Alan Partridge's biggest fan?

I just wanna be your friend, Alan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 09:05:01 AM

Martin Laursen praises Villa target Jores Okore. Mat Kendrick: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-target-okore-one-denmarks-4291281

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 11, 2013, 09:40:36 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 09:05:01 AM

Martin Laursen praises Villa target Jores Okore. Mat Kendrick: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/villa-target-okore-one-denmarks-4291281

Have a word in his ear Sir Laursen please. Would love to see this Okore in a Villa shirt. What an asset he would be for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2013, 09:46:48 AM

Oh I really really hope we sign Okore, especially with the recommendation from the big man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 11, 2013, 10:01:34 AM

Nobody would bully us with a spine of Guzan,Okore and Benteke

In fact with an additional 'nasty' in midfield we might be giving it out instead of usually taking it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 10:05:50 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

I thought it might be O'Shea, as he assaults people on the pitch and gets away with it....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 11, 2013, 10:15:23 AM

Who is Anthony Stokes? Does he know Andrew Greaves?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2013, 10:23:43 AM

Quote from: TimbertVilla on June 11, 2013, 10:15:23 AM

Who is Anthony Stokes? Does he know Andrew Greaves?

Anthony Stokes is great, he serves as an almost perfect example of the differences between English and Scottish football.  Has a 1 in 10 strike rate in England, about half of his games being cups and championship.  He has a better than 1 in 3 record in the SPL.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: regular_john on June 11, 2013, 10:28:34 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 11, 2013, 10:01:34 AM

Nobody would bully us with a spine of Guzan,Okore and Benteke

In fact with an additional 'nasty' in midfield we might be giving it out instead of usually taking it

Sylla?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 11, 2013, 10:37:19 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 11, 2013, 08:22:53 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 10, 2013, 08:27:20 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM

Quite a few of the Twitter 'ITK's are claiming we'll sign Norwich keeper Jed Steer this week.

Alan Partridge's biggest fan?

I just wanna be your friend, Alan.

No way, you're a mentalist!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2013, 10:40:10 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2013, 03:53:09 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

I doubt he would come considering teams that are in for him but I bet the express and star know feck all

I imagine the Aston Villa correspondent of the Express and Star, or their football desk, know a lot more about it then every single person on here.

That's their job, that's why they have contacts at the club. Maybe their contacts have said we are not interested to put up a smokescreen, maybe they are being honest, I don't know, but you not have to be overly gullible to think local sports journalists are likely to know more than we do.

Possibly, I just don't overly trust Journalist's to get it right. If it's coming from Lambert direct then I'd be more trusting, (obviously he can't comment on every rumour)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2013, 10:40:15 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 07:38:02 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 10, 2013, 10:10:09 PM

Anyway what do we think about Harmeet Singh? Looked good for Norway U21 and was transferred to Feyenoord last August for £300,000. I am sure we make "a future potential" signing at £1m. Could be great for interest from the "locals" if he succeeds.

Definately not, we are not in the business of signing players because they will interest the locals .

Even if he happens to be quite good?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2013, 10:41:59 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 06:20:43 PM

That would be a great bit of business. Get Okore too and send Clark on loan. Sorted.

Do you not think Clark is a bit old to go out on loan? I mean surely he's either in the team or sold at this stage of his Villa career?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on June 11, 2013, 10:46:53 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2013, 10:41:59 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 10, 2013, 06:20:43 PM

That would be a great bit of business. Get Okore too and send Clark on loan. Sorted.

Do you not think Clark is a bit old to go out on loan? I mean surely he's either in the team or sold at this stage of his Villa career?

Not really. We had Simon Dawkins on loan at 25 years old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:48:20 AM

Yeah, but that was Simon Dawkins. *The* Simon Dawkins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 10:49:53 AM

Quote from: regular_john on June 11, 2013, 10:28:34 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 11, 2013, 10:01:34 AM

Nobody would bully us with a spine of Guzan,Okore and Benteke

In fact with an additional 'nasty' in midfield we might be giving it out instead of usually taking it

Sylla?

Yes. I think he's going to be very good next season. Delph likes a tackle too, and he's learning to do it without getting booked quite so often. I still fancy them both to get the odd suspension, but as long as it's not at the same time we should be able to cope comfortably enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 11, 2013, 10:50:17 AM

Clark shouldn't be out on loan imo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 11:07:05 AM

We need 4 centre backs, especially as baker and vlaar are made of dodgy balsa wood.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 11:28:44 AM

I think we'll sign one CB, who replaces Dunne, and that'll be that position sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

Lambert bemoaned the fact that he never had 4 fit centre-backs available at the same time last season. I think he’ll just look to get Okore for that position and then be happy, bearing in mind that both Lowton and Herd can play there in an emergency.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 11, 2013, 11:37:29 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 11:07:05 AM

We need 4 centre backs, especially as baker and vlaar are made of dodgy balsa wood.

Agreed, one more in. And if it's this Okore fellow that gives us two left footers and two right uns

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 11:58:36 AM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 11, 2013, 11:37:29 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 11:07:05 AM

We need 4 centre backs, especially as baker and vlaar are made of dodgy balsa wood.

Agreed, one more in. And if it's this Okore fellow that gives us two left footers and two right uns

Might even see Derrick Williams feature in the squad a bit more next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 11, 2013, 12:09:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

Lambert bemoaned the fact that he never had 4 fit centre-backs available at the same time last season. I think he’ll just look to get Okore for that position and then be happy, bearing in mind that both Lowton and Herd can play there in an emergency.

I hope there's some truth in the Okore link because he's excellent in that clip against Chelsea.  Pace, strength and passing ability, ( shit, I'm starting to sound like Hansen there). He does look good though.  I'm sure him and Vlaar would become a formidable partnership.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 12:12:15 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 11, 2013, 12:09:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

Lambert bemoaned the fact that he never had 4 fit centre-backs available at the same time last season. I think he’ll just look to get Okore for that position and then be happy, bearing in mind that both Lowton and Herd can play there in an emergency.

I hope there's some truth in the Okore link because he's excellent in that clip against Chelsea.  Pace, strength and passing ability, ( shit, I'm starting to sound like Hansen there). He does look good though.  I'm sure him and Vlaar would become a formidable partnership.

Interesting, though, how so many people were recently advocating the acquisition of an experienced CB to enable CC and NB to develop, and to take the pressure off Vlaar.
And yet Okore has become the "people's favourite" judging from comments here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 12:12:15 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 11, 2013, 12:09:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

Lambert bemoaned the fact that he never had 4 fit centre-backs available at the same time last season. I think he’ll just look to get Okore for that position and then be happy, bearing in mind that both Lowton and Herd can play there in an emergency.

I hope there's some truth in the Okore link because he's excellent in that clip against Chelsea.  Pace, strength and passing ability, ( shit, I'm starting to sound like Hansen there). He does look good though.  I'm sure him and Vlaar would become a formidable partnership.

Interesting, though, how so many people were recently advocating the acquisition of an experienced CB to enable CC and NB to develop, and to take the pressure off Vlaar.
And yet Okore has become the "people's favourite" judging from comments here.

Experience at the back is important, at least to me anyway, and If I had the choice between Lescott and Okore, based upon who would improve this Villa side more right now, then I'd chose Lescott.

But if that's not possible and we do get another younger player, Okore will do nicely from what I've seen.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 12:48:47 PM

Could it possibly be any clearer that our club's transfer policy means no Lescott? Lambo has been crystal that he will not sign experienced players with high wages and assumed low work ethic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 11, 2013, 01:06:09 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 12:48:47 PM

Could it possibly be any clearer that our club's transfer policy means no Lescott? Lambo has been crystal that he will not sign experienced players with high wages and assumed low work ethic.

I hope so

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 01:06:28 PM

Generally speaking, yes. But there could be the odd exception. And didn't Lambert say positive thing about Lescott when his name was mentioned in January?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 12:48:47 PM

Could it possibly be any clearer that our club's transfer policy means no Lescott? Lambo has been crystal that he will not sign experienced players with high wages and assumed low work ethic.

Actually, yes it could. 

The manager said no big signings, which was in answer to a question in a press conference, but what does and does not constitute a 'big' signing is anyone's guess.  Belhanda would have been, despite being a relatively unknown name, and that was considered a realistic possibility by most on here.  And then there's last summer's interest in Dempsey and the January comments about Lescott.   

I think any signing would need to hit the following criteria:-
1.  Represent good value for money.
2.  Want to play here and not just be after the pay day.
3.  Hard working and fit into the team ethos.

The actual wages a players earns (within reason), how much the fee is and how expereinced they are may reflect that criteria, but in and of itself are not why we will/won't sign a player.  At least in my opinion, anyway!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 11, 2013, 01:13:33 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 12:33:07 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 12:12:15 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on June 11, 2013, 12:09:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 11:35:21 AM

Lambert bemoaned the fact that he never had 4 fit centre-backs available at the same time last season. I think he’ll just look to get Okore for that position and then be happy, bearing in mind that both Lowton and Herd can play there in an emergency.

I hope there's some truth in the Okore link because he's excellent in that clip against Chelsea.  Pace, strength and passing ability, ( shit, I'm starting to sound like Hansen there). He does look good though.  I'm sure him and Vlaar would become a formidable partnership.

Interesting, though, how so many people were recently advocating the acquisition of an experienced CB to enable CC and NB to develop, and to take the pressure off Vlaar.
And yet Okore has become the "people's favourite" judging from comments here.

Experience at the back is important, at least to me anyway, and If I had the choice between Lescott and Okore, based upon who would improve this Villa side more right now, then I'd chose Lescott.

But if that's not possible and we do get another younger player, Okore will do nicely from what I've seen.   

I don't see Lescott as a player with great pace, yes, he has bags of experience but for all his experience he's not the best even though he might be available.  If it was my choice I'd go for Okore.  He's young and will get better.  I'm excited at the prospect of him in the side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 01:17:17 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 01:06:28 PM

Generally speaking, yes. But there could be the odd exception. And didn't Lambert say positive thing about Lescott when his name was mentioned in January?

he did, but it was tempered by the fact Lescott isn't the type of signing we are moving forward with. As much as we all might thing he would be the perfect partner for Vlaar and add much needed experience and leadership, unless he came on a much more conservative salary than he's on now, I don't see it. Chances are he's got maybe 2 years where we can expect him at top PL level. As a club we won't want to be in a position to be paying him the same as he starts to show signs of decline and he becomes an expensive role player, or a liabilty. Again, a lot of things will happen between now and August 31st and players will also be desperate to play so there might be a compromise out there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 01:06:28 PM

Generally speaking, yes. But there could be the odd exception. And didn't Lambert say positive thing about Lescott when his name was mentioned in January?

Yes lambert spoke very highly of lescott back in January , i don't think he  is against signing the right player of experience as long as they have the hunger and desire required.

There are a lot of freeloaders looking for easy money - we have had enough of them kind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 01:21:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 01:06:28 PM

Generally speaking, yes. But there could be the odd exception. And didn't Lambert say positive thing about Lescott when his name was mentioned in January?

Yes lambert spoke very highly of lescott back in January , i don't think he  is against signing the right player of experience as long as they have the hunger and desire required.

There are a lot of freeloaders looking for easy money - we have had enough of them kind.

I wouldn't read too much into what Lambert said. He also spoke highly of Andy Carroll in the summer. I don't doubt that he rates them both, but neither would fit into what he's trying to do at Villa. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 01:22:24 PM

This is going to sound silly, but the photo of Laursen in the Mail today talking about Okore is everything I love and miss about the great man. He immediately gives confidence just looking at him and he's instructing others to get into position and to be aware. I know you could probably find a similar picture of Vlaar, but he's no Laursen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:26:16 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 01:22:24 PM

This is going to sound silly, but the photo of Laursen in the Mail today talking about Okore is everything I love and miss about the great man. He immediately gives confidence just looking at him and he's instructing others to get into position and to be aware. I know you could probably find a similar picture of Vlaar, but he's no Laursen.

Yes , he was an excellent player for us and chipped in with more than his fair share of goals too - if Laursen thinks okore is the man for us then i would be more than happy to trust his judgment and it would be a very good deal if we could get him for £5m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 01:30:53 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 01:17:17 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 11, 2013, 01:06:28 PM

Generally speaking, yes. But there could be the odd exception. And didn't Lambert say positive thing about Lescott when his name was mentioned in January?

he did, but it was tempered by the fact Lescott isn't the type of signing we are moving forward with. As much as we all might thing he would be the perfect partner for Vlaar and add much needed experience and leadership, unless he came on a much more conservative salary than he's on now, I don't see it. Chances are he's got maybe 2 years where we can expect him at top PL level. As a club we won't want to be in a position to be paying him the same as he starts to show signs of decline and he becomes an expensive role player, or a liabilty. Again, a lot of things will happen between now and August 31st and players will also be desperate to play so there might be a compromise out there.

Any possible deal for Lescott would have to include a chunky pay off from Man City, so that we only pay Bent level wages at most.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DeeBoy1 on June 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

It's been reported as definitely Stokes - seems he had an altercation with an Elvis impersonator...!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2013, 01:43:33 PM

Quote from: DeeBoy1 on June 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

It's been reported as definitely Stokes - seems he had an altercation with an Elvis impersonator...!

He must be all shook up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:46:14 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2013, 01:43:33 PM

Quote from: DeeBoy1 on June 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

It's been reported as definitely Stokes - seems he had an altercation with an Elvis impersonator...!

He must be all shook up

May not be quite as bad as reported , there are many suspicious minds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 01:49:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:46:14 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2013, 01:43:33 PM

Quote from: DeeBoy1 on June 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

It's been reported as definitely Stokes - seems he had an altercation with an Elvis impersonator...!

He must be all shook up

May not be quite as bad as reported , there are many suspicious minds.

On the plus side, I'm sure if he gets sent down they'll love him tender in prison.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2013, 01:50:21 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 07:38:02 AM

Definately not, we are not in the business of signing players because they will interest the locals .

Try reading a post fully before posting a sound bite !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 02:45:51 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

Me too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 02:48:37 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 01:49:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 01:46:14 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on June 11, 2013, 01:43:33 PM

Quote from: DeeBoy1 on June 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

Quote from: brontebilly on June 11, 2013, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 11, 2013, 10:03:12 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 11, 2013, 09:26:49 AM

Is it wrong to hope that the as yet unnamed footballer from Ireland who is based in the UK and who has assualted someone, is Stephen Ireland?

Would be a good excuse to get him off the wage bill....

It's Anthony Stokes...allegedly!

Stokes is an utter clown with pals in the Dooblin underworld.

But the reports seemed to point to a player who was in the Irish squad for the recent games which would rule out those two imbeciles

It's been reported as definitely Stokes - seems he had an altercation with an Elvis impersonator...!

He must be all shook up

May not be quite as bad as reported , there are many suspicious minds.

On the plus side, I'm sure if he gets sent down they'll love him tender in prison.

Hope he likes Jailhouse cock.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 11, 2013, 02:58:05 PM

is it possible we will sign both Okore and Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 02:59:13 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

I just saw a nail running hard, but it still got battered squarely on the head.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 02:59:53 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 11, 2013, 02:58:05 PM

is it possible we will sign both Okore and Lescott.

Possible but highly unlikely , I think one of those would do nicely .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:01:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

Taking a chance signing an untried 20 year old though. I'd rather a bit of experience to shore up a defence that conceded 69 league goals last season. Lescott would be a fine signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 03:04:03 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:01:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

Taking a chance signing an untried 20 year old though. I'd rather a bit of experience to shore up a defence that conceded 69 league goals last season. Lescott would be a fine signing.

I don't think he is untried, he looked superb against Chelsea in Europe and has attracted lots of interest , hardly a rookie from the lower leagues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 03:08:58 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 11, 2013, 02:58:05 PM

is it possible we will sign both Okore and Lescott.

Given that Vlaar has injury-history, the idea of signing both would be excellent, although it may be unlikely. And it would probably mean that we intend offloading Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:01:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

Taking a chance signing an untried 20 year old though. I'd rather a bit of experience to shore up a defence that conceded 69 league goals last season. Lescott would be a fine signing.

Okore could be a better one. Taking a chance can work, can be better long term. Look at Benteke, Westwood, Lowton. It can also fail, but so can buying an experienced player. We've signed plenty over the years that have been a waste of time and money. While Lescott could do a job short term he's too much of an expensive milk bottle player for me, and I can imagine for Lambert as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 03:14:31 PM

Lescott would be a decent player but we wouldn't get back our money when his contract ends , okore could well double or triple his value with us as benteke has done - not that I would want to sell our best players , but okore could make more business sense looking to the future.

The aim is to get back up around the top 6 and keep our best players and add to them .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:16:15 PM

We were all bemoaning the the lack of experience in our defence last season and virtually demanding we get a new CB in January.  To me, nothing has changed from that.

Lescott (or similar) would iprove us more than Okore (or similar).

However, if Lambert goes the other way then we have to back his judgement

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:17:27 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:01:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 11, 2013, 02:12:39 PM

If we get Okore and someone like Cresswell I'll actually be happy with the defense.

I wouldn't be. We need experience, not another 20 year old rookie.

What we need are players who can do the job, regardless of age.

Taking a chance signing an untried 20 year old though. I'd rather a bit of experience to shore up a defence that conceded 69 league goals last season. Lescott would be a fine signing.

Okore could be a better one. Taking a chance can work, can be better long term. Look at Benteke, Westwood, Lowton. It can also fail, but so can buying an experienced player. We've signed plenty over the years that have been a waste of time of money. While LEscott could do a job short term he's too much of an expensive milk bottle player for me, and I can imagine for Lambert as well.

Lescott is 30 and he'll be playing PL football for a good few years yet. I'm not against signing Okore but one of the things we missed last season was experience, especially at the back. Vlaar was disappointing and was missing for chunks of the season anyway, so I think we need at least one more experienced centre back. Our defence was far too fragile last season, and we may not be as lucky next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brian Taylor on June 11, 2013, 03:26:07 PM

Shay going on a free..to celtic. Appropriate move.
Great service to club, and country, in his time with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 03:29:48 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

Is he hungry though ? We need hungry players ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andyaston on June 11, 2013, 03:40:35 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

I have as well. However, we were pretty decent going forward and our players wanted to play for the manager which is more than I can say about many teams that have been relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 11, 2013, 03:43:02 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:16:15 PM

Lescott (or similar) would iprove us more than Okore (or similar).

However, if Lambert goes the other way then we have to back his judgement

I trust Martin Laursen's judgement and if he reckons Okore is good enough then that'll do me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on June 11, 2013, 03:48:37 PM

Looking through those players who have been released two names stuck out.  Simon Church and John Bostock.

Both must have been released for a reason, but I saw Bostock's debut for Palace and he looked the real deal and Church has looked decent the only time I have seen him in the past.  Both young and if their attitude is right could be possible cheap additions to a squad, including ours?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 03:53:03 PM

Bostock should never have went to Spuds really. He must still be quite young though, like 21/22? I'd rather give our own Gary Gardner a chance though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 11, 2013, 03:55:04 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Never stop posting

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 03:55:20 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

This.

Not all experienced P'ship players on large salaries will be parasitic tossers (I call Exhibit A, Stephen Ireland): it's all in the qualityof selection.

If we get both Okore and someone like Lescott, that would definitely work for me: this combo would provide adequate cover for injury and exploit the vaue of both youth and experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 03:57:04 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Thing about humour, vk, is this: it's all about timing and frequency.

Once was enough for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 11, 2013, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 03:57:04 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Thing about humour, vk, is this: it's all about timing and frequency.

Once was enough for me.

ooh tough crowd  :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:13:33 PM

Of course repetition in humour not everyone's fave. Catchphrases would nt be your thing either then so as you're more high brow some UK politics..  there was a rumour of signings of Neville-Oxlade Chamberlin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on June 11, 2013, 04:14:02 PM

Some Danish centre forward Nicklas Helenius.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:24 PM

Edit: DP

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 11, 2013, 04:16:30 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 11, 2013, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 03:57:04 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Thing about humour, vk, is this: it's all about timing and frequency.

Once was enough for me.

ooh tough crowd  :-\

Well I was entertained!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:19:30 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

this could be a good move tell us more what role does he play attack midfield or defence? I guess he is nt a gk!? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 04:21:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

You've done this one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 04:23:10 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

I think we stayed up in spite of our diabolical defence. I doubt if any of us want to see a defence as fragile as that again. That's why I think we need a bit more experience in there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 04:24:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Did anyone hear of a move for Taylor-Fletcher? Maybe endorsed by Ian Taylor but ridiculed by Graham. There would be an element of risk in the deal- Steven Taylor offers comedy moments in defence and darren fletcher could only be on pay as you play deal. The plus is that 2 players would be signed and there's the 'taylor-fletcher' shirt sales. However there is also the hope of signing Gary Taylor-Fletcher bring him in too and would add to the attack and confusion to the opposition on who to mark.  Signing all 3 Taylor Fletcher Taylor - Fletcher is something I would like to hear on commentary as I would laugh out loud. I fear the closest to making such a Taylor Fletcher Taylor Fletcher reality is signing them on football manager. I like to think im not alone with this Gary Darren Steven dream though i feel im scraping the bottom of the double barrel with this transfer rumour.   

Fantastic!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2013, 04:28:23 PM

Exprienced players doesn't necesairly equate to the right kind of quality and attitide.

There is an esprit de corps that has been cultivated by Lambert and I wouldn't want anything to break that. If they're the right player, then age wont matter, but I think the older you get the harder you are to mould into an ethos.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:19:30 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

this could be a good move tell us more what role does he play attack midfield or defence? I guess he is nt a gk!?

Striker. 6 ft 5". Similar to Ibrahimovic in a way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2013, 04:35:50 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:19:30 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

this could be a good move tell us more what role does he play attack midfield or defence? I guess he is nt a gk!?

Striker. 6 ft 5". Similar to Ibrahimovic in a way.

I see that Villa old boy, Kent Nielsen is their coach. Helenius looks like he has tidy feet. Love the quote on their official site:

Quote

Further information will be published when there is either reached an agreement or negotiations have collapsed.
Sincerely AaB

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 04:36:14 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:19:30 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

this could be a good move tell us more what role does he play attack midfield or defence? I guess he is nt a gk!?

Striker. 6 ft 5". Similar to Ibrahimovic in a way.

Understudy to benteke then?

Any Danish poster around who can give us the lowdown on him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 04:51:01 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 04:23:10 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

I think we stayed up in spite of our diabolical defence. I doubt if any of us want to see a defence as fragile as that again. That's why I think we need a bit more experience in there.

However you want to try and look at it, we stayed up because of the points we got and the points other sides failed to get. There is zero luck in that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2013, 04:55:47 PM

Sounds like Helenius will be back up to Benteke. Sounds a sensible signing again. He's only 22, a full international now. Good goal record for Aalborg.
Perhaps he'll be eased in over the season to take over, if-when Benteke moves on.
I'd trust Lambert that this will be a solid piece of business on a reasonable fee.

That would also mean 100% that Bent's a goner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:57:13 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 04:36:14 PM

Understudy to benteke then?

Most likely an understudy with a view to replacing him when Benteke leaves next year. The cynic would suggest he is Benteke's replacement this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 11, 2013, 04:59:43 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2013, 04:55:47 PM

That would also mean 100% that Bent's a goner.

And young Nathan ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2013, 05:02:02 PM

Look at us with our planning for the future. We're all grown up now. MON would be proud or more likely confused.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 11, 2013, 05:04:46 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 11, 2013, 04:28:23 PM

Exprienced players doesn't necesairly equate to the right kind of quality and attitide.

There is an esprit de corps that has been cultivated by Lambert and I wouldn't want anything to break that. If they're the right player, then age wont matter, but I think the older you get the harder you are to mould into an ethos.

Rarely, if ever, has such an illiterate first paragraph hinted at such an articulate second.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:07:43 PM

The Aalborg lad is now confirmed as in talks with us on our website too.

Helenius (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3206746,00.html)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Seb_AVFC on June 11, 2013, 05:08:14 PM

Youtube scouting report: http://youtu.be/fk4KYSI-BEc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:09:51 PM

goodbye Fonz I would imagine, Bowery out on loan. This las if he comes through replaces Benteke in a year or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 05:11:00 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 02:59:53 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 11, 2013, 02:58:05 PM

is it possible we will sign both Okore and Lescott.

Possible but highly unlikely , I think one of those would do nicely .

It's possible we could bring in both, if it is who Lambert is after.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:11:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:07:43 PM

The Aalborg lad is now confirmed as in talks with us on our website too.

Helenius (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3206746,00.html)

Nice to see us getting our signings in before pre season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:11:34 PM

Helenius, sounds like a gladiator. For that reason alone I want us to sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:12:31 PM

For us to mention it on the OS must mean they feel it's as good as a done deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 01:22:24 PM

This is going to sound silly, but the photo of Laursen in the Mail today talking about Okore is everything I love and miss about the great man. He immediately gives confidence just looking at him and he's instructing others to get into position and to be aware. I know you could probably find a similar picture of Vlaar, but he's no Laursen.

Saw that article and the picture of Okore.  From the picture, his physical build reminds me a lot of Wilfred Bouma and the fact that he plays both CB and LB is another similar trait.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:15:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:12:31 PM

For us to mention it on the OS must mean they feel it's as good as a done deal.

Danish player of the season in their league and a full international - seems to be a decent one for the future , no mention of what sort of fee involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 11, 2013, 05:15:07 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 11, 2013, 03:48:37 PM

Looking through those players who have been released two names stuck out.  Simon Church and John Bostock.

Both must have been released for a reason, but I saw Bostock's debut for Palace and he looked the real deal and Church has looked decent the only time I have seen him in the past.  Both young and if their attitude is right could be possible cheap additions to a squad, including ours?

Bostock has looked mediocre in several loan spells. Church is not a prolific forward at all and hasn't really kicked on at Reading, he's a bit like Sam Vokes.

Both are more likely to be considered by Wolves than a premier league team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:15:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:12:31 PM

For us to mention it on the OS must mean they feel it's as good as a done deal.

Danish player of the season in their league and a full international - seems to be a decent one for the future , no mention of what sort of fee involved.

what I guarantee it will be less than whatever is published

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on June 11, 2013, 05:17:39 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:11:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:07:43 PM

The Aalborg lad is now confirmed as in talks with us on our website too.

Helenius (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3206746,00.html)

Nice to see us getting our signings in before pre season .

Just like MON? PL is a breath of fresh air, what with early pre-season signings and looking at the foreign market!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:17:52 PM

Judging from Youtube (yes I know), Helenius looks very decent indeed. Plenty of potential. He's good in and out the box. Good feet, decent turn of pace for a guy his size. Seems an ideal player to push Benteke and possibly step in if he were to leave next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:19:00 PM

So, the mighty Kent Nielsen works for Aalborg and ther great Martin Laursen is speaking highly of Okore. I do love our former Scandanavian players. All we need is for the great Olof to suggest a fellow warrior and we're set.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 05:19:32 PM

Signing a Bulgarian from Poland and a young Dane by the middle of June. It's almost as if Martin O'Neill isn't the manager any more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: berneboy on June 11, 2013, 05:21:17 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:17:52 PM

Judging from Youtube (yes I know), Helenius looks very decent indeed. Plenty of potential. He's good in and out the box. Good feet, decent turn of pace for a guy his size. Seems an ideal player to push Benteke and possibly step in if he were to leave next year.

Good foot - very right footed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:21:48 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 05:19:32 PM

Signing a Bulgarian from Poland and a young Dane by the middle of June. It's almost as if Martin O'Neill isn't the manager any more.

Careful now, you'll start another MON thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:22:17 PM

I think what we all want is that first defensive signing though to settle the nerves. I'm glad we are signing attacking players because we need them to push the current lot. If we get Okore it will be just superb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:23:01 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:21:48 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 05:19:32 PM

Signing a Bulgarian from Poland and a young Dane by the middle of June. It's almost as if Martin O'Neill isn't the manager any more.

Careful now, you'll start another MON thread.

I have zero interest in EVER discussing MON again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 11, 2013, 05:23:15 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

Van Persie was the best striker in the country, it was buying guaranteed goals, he also finished the best striker again in England last season
you cant compare him to Lescott who is not anywhere near the best CH in the country, and was made to look like a big lump of lard in the last game of the season by a average Norwich city player,
your not guaranteeing anything with Lescott, just a hope that he continues to do OK and not degenerate into the latest Villa millstone on massive wages, 

I don't think we will be signing Lescott he doesn't fit the Villa profile,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 05:28:45 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:23:01 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:21:48 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 05:19:32 PM

Signing a Bulgarian from Poland and a young Dane by the middle of June. It's almost as if Martin O'Neill isn't the manager any more.

Careful now, you'll start another MON thread.

I have zero interest in EVER discussing MON again.

He was great, though. We came sixth

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 05:47:34 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

so he's not really an ITK is he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 05:49:17 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:28:41 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 04:19:30 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 11, 2013, 04:16:01 PM

In talks with AaB about signing Nicklas Helenius according to the club's official website. Would've rathered Cornelius myself, but Helenius is highly rated too.

this could be a good move tell us more what role does he play attack midfield or defence? I guess he is nt a gk!?

Striker. 6 ft 5". Similar to Ibrahimovic in a way.

wow ! Zlatan is one of my top 5 players outside of Villa! This sounds promising :). That was good reporting as none of English media knew about this move! Now they are all reporting it ! Good job. Esp if he scores over head kicks- i love over head kicks goals!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

.

I'd imagine tonev is included in that , kendrick  never got a sniff of helenius so lets hope he's wrong on belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:53:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

.

I'd imagine tonev is included in that , kenwright never got a sniff of helenius so lets hope he's wrong on belhanda.

Why would the Everton chairman have a sniff?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:55:07 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:53:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

.

I'd imagine tonev is included in that , kendrick never got a sniff of helenius so lets hope he's wrong on belhanda.

Why would the Everton chairman have a sniff?

You old rascal pws, did you change it to kenwright or was it me ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2013, 05:55:25 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 05:53:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 05:43:41 PM

Should have signed 3 today according to an ITK individual who spoke to the old fella this morning. This is what transfer windows should be like!!!!

.

I'd imagine tonev is included in that , kenwright never got a sniff of helenius so lets hope he's wrong on belhanda.

Why would the Everton chairman have a sniff?

He hangs around with a lot of actors, probably has plenty of access to cocaine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 11, 2013, 05:56:40 PM

Eventual replacement in a season or 2 for Christian in my opinion.

Big fucker though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 11, 2013, 06:00:11 PM

Well get in altidore too then i think benteke would leave ! Prob unlikely jozy is coming !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:15:39 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

Not sure i enjoyed the season pws , but now safety is assured we have the nucleas of a side that will only go upwards and I'm certainly relishing next season - that will be enjoyable!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 06:17:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

what i'm enjoying more than anything is finally going into a summer on the back of good second half of the season, and without the volatility of the previous few summers. Everything just seems so much more in control. Very encouraged about the direction of the club, the players we are attracting, the new kit. There's a feel good factor about the club right now. We'll all be in even better spirits once the Benteke issue is put to bed and he resigns a deal with us, and we sign a couple of defenders. But it really is a case of so far so good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

There seems to be freshness about the whole thing and a sense of direction which has been lacking.

Despite him being a bit annoying tactically, i wonder where we'd be had we got Lambert in after Houiller went.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:25:13 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

There seems to be freshness about the whole thing and a sense of direction which has been lacking.

Despite him being a bit annoying tactically, i wonder where we'd be had we got Lambert in after Houiller went.

I think the years experience he gained in the premiership at Norwich has stood him in good stead - he proved there that he could cut it at this level - taking him after houllier may have been too big a step up  in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM

Did anyone hear that we had a bid of £5m for Bent that was considered for a bit before being declined? Just checking whether the ITK is bull.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2013, 06:27:50 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 11, 2013, 05:17:52 PM

Judging from Youtube (yes I know), Helenius looks very decent indeed. Plenty of potential. He's good in and out the box. Good feet, decent turn of pace for a guy his size. Seems an ideal player to push Benteke and possibly step in if he were to leave next year.

Bit one footed though.  I don't think that montague featured his left foot at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

There seems to be freshness about the whole thing and a sense of direction which has been lacking.

Despite him being a bit annoying tactically, i wonder where we'd be had we got Lambert in after Houiller went.

I don't think any manager will be perfect. The new manager of Man U has played with no forwards on occasion as an example. But I do think many of his decisions were part of the steep learning curve in figuring out what he actually has and what his current players can or cannot do. I expect it to be a lot more settled next season and we will get off to a much faster start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM

Did anyone hear that we had a bid of £5m for Bent that was considered for a bit before being declined? Just checking whether the ITK is bull.

A bid from who? I certainly would be looking for more than £5m for bent - wouldnt consider anything less than £8m .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 11, 2013, 06:31:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM

Did anyone hear that we had a bid of £5m for Bent that was considered for a bit before being declined? Just checking whether the ITK is bull.

A bid from who? I certainly would be looking for more than £5m for bent - wouldnt consider anything less than £8m .

its alright playing championship manager, but if we get an offer and can get him of the wage bill it might be worth doing, instead of forking out for a player we don't play much for another season or two

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:33:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM

Did anyone hear that we had a bid of £5m for Bent that was considered for a bit before being declined? Just checking whether the ITK is bull.

A bid from who? I certainly would be looking for more than £5m for bent - wouldnt consider anything less than £8m .

No idea. The guy that told my Dad about the 3 signings today mentioned it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:34:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2013, 06:28:12 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

There seems to be freshness about the whole thing and a sense of direction which has been lacking.

Despite him being a bit annoying tactically, i wonder where we'd be had we got Lambert in after Houiller went.

I don't think any manager will be perfect. The new manager of Man U has played with no forwards on occasion as an example. But I do think many of his decisions were part of the steep learning curve in figuring out what he actually has and what his current players can or cannot do. I expect it to be a lot more settled next season and we will get off to a much faster start.

Maybe you're right. There were just times last season when you sat there and wondered what the fuck he as playing at (the Bradford games in particular). There were also games when you sensed something good was happening and you could see what he was trying to do. Overall though, it's been encouraging.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:34:35 PM

£5m for a player with a proven goalscoring record like bent has is not enough considering what we paid , he is worth more than that , if someone wants a goalscorer they will come back with an improved bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 11, 2013, 06:37:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:34:35 PM

£5m for a player with a proven goalscoring record like bent has is not enough considering what we paid , he is worth more than that , if someone wants a goalscorer they will come back with an improved bid.

I agree. If it is true, then signing a forward may be to replace Bent rather than Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 11, 2013, 06:37:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 11, 2013, 06:34:35 PM

£5m for a player with a proven goalscoring record like bent has is not enough considering what we paid , he is worth more than that , if someone wants a goalscorer they will come back with an improved bid.

I agree that he's worth more than that, but considering he's barely played all year I'd be amazed if we got more than 8 million.

That said, even if he went on a free, he's repaid his fee several times over as his goals kept us up in 10/11, and probably 11/12 as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 06:47:03 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

Our league position and the threat of relegation meant that a lot of nerves were around at games last season.  It was still enjoyable though, as you were never really sure what you were going to see at each game and the dark clouds which seemed to have been hanging over Villa Park for the past few seasons were lifted.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

Quote from: john e on June 11, 2013, 05:23:15 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

Van Persie was the best striker in the country, it was buying guaranteed goals, he also finished the best striker again in England last season
you cant compare him to Lescott who is not anywhere near the best CH in the country, and was made to look like a big lump of lard in the last game of the season by a average Norwich city player,
your not guaranteeing anything with Lescott, just a hope that he continues to do OK and not degenerate into the latest Villa millstone on massive wages, 

I don't think we will be signing Lescott he doesn't fit the Villa profile,

We may not sign Lescott, in fact I'd class it as very unlikely, but you're being terribly unfair to him there as a player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 11, 2013, 07:20:51 PM

 For us to improve next season we need to buy better players, not players who might be better.I'm all for buying Okura, and the Danish kid, but we need to be buying players like Belhanda, or McCarthy, plus one or two others for us not to have to go through what we have had to the last 3 or 4 seasons.

 The basic philosophy i agree with, but replace the high earning, non-committed with high earning, highly committed.Iif we buy young players, who in 2/3/4 years want to play for Ure/Barca whatever, like Benteke, then i'm happy with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 11, 2013, 07:22:23 PM

Says it all that none of the Twitter 'ITKs' had a sniff of this until both clubs had officially announced it. And that includes he likes of Kendrick and Mashiter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2013, 07:29:36 PM

Okore on the bench for tonight's World Cup tie which they are losing to Armenia at the moment , helenius not in in the 22.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 07:33:06 PM

One of the most encouraging things for me was the bottle of the team. After Black January I thought that they'd be a bunch of nervous wrecks til the end of the seaon. When we were all on about 23/24 points, who'd have put money on us beating Reading and QPR in consecutive games? Let alone coming from behind in both games?

Testament to PL's management I think, that he somehow stopped them from crumbling from the intense pressure they were under. Huge credit to the lads as well of course.

And I like to think we did our bit too.

Sorry, didn't mean this post to turn into a love-in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 07:43:50 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 11, 2013, 07:20:51 PM

For us to improve next season we need to buy better players, not players who might be better.I'm all for buying Okura, and the Danish kid, but we need to be buying players like Belhanda, or McCarthy, plus one or two others for us not to have to go through what we have had to the last 3 or 4 seasons.

 The basic philosophy i agree with, but replace the high earning, non-committed with high earning, highly committed.Iif we buy young players, who in 2/3/4 years want to play for Ure/Barca whatever, like Benteke, then i'm happy with that.

I don't entirely agree. I think holding onto the players that develop into the 15-30 million pound footballers together, for a period of time is the important bit, while still buying people who can grow into that bracket. We had none that would fetch more than 10 million last summer because they were not that good. Arguable that we now have 3-4 in that bracket just about. Not letting them walk away is just as important as buying finished articles. Belhanda looks interesting for sure, but for this summer, that may be beyond us. With 6-7 players to bring the squad up needed, it is going to be similar to last summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 07:46:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 07:33:06 PM

One of the most encouraging things for me was the bottle of the team. After Black January I thought that they'd be a bunch of nervous wrecks til the end of the seaon. When we were all on about 23/24 points, who'd have put money on us beating Reading and QPR in consecutive games? Let alone coming from behind in both games?

Testament to PL's management I think, that he somehow stopped them from crumbling from the intense pressure they were under. Huge credit to the lads as well of course.

And I like to think we did our bit too.

Sorry, didn't mean this post to turn into a love-in.

If I ever win an Oscar, I want you to write my acceptance speech.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

We're thinking of signing a woman?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 08:34:40 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 07:46:26 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 07:33:06 PM

One of the most encouraging things for me was the bottle of the team. After Black January I thought that they'd be a bunch of nervous wrecks til the end of the seaon. When we were all on about 23/24 points, who'd have put money on us beating Reading and QPR in consecutive games? Let alone coming from behind in both games?

Testament to PL's management I think, that he somehow stopped them from crumbling from the intense pressure they were under. Huge credit to the lads as well of course.

And I like to think we did our bit too.

Sorry, didn't mean this post to turn into a love-in.

If I ever win an Oscar, I want you to write my acceptance speech.

Just recite one of my limericks about you from the 'Who's Who' thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:35:07 PM

0-3 Armenia ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 08:36:49 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

We're thinking of signing a woman?

She must be good, if only for three weeks in every month.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 09:01:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

We're thinking of signing a woman?

Will still probably be an improvement on last seasons defence !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:04:29 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

Allthe way through?I can only remember being sick with worry in the lead up to most games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 09:09:20 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:04:29 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

Allthe way through?I can only remember being sick with worry in the lead up to most games.

The home form was'nt great again. I thought we played some really decent stuff away from home at times though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:17:39 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:04:29 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 11, 2013, 06:09:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 11, 2013, 05:24:15 PM

Appointing a young, ambitious manager. Shipping out the expensive wasters. Signing nothing but promising young players for modest fees. European U19 champions. Bringing through academy talent.

If we end up winning the Champion's League one day, they'll have to turn it into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Yes, it's nice is'nt it?

As I said during the season, been a long time since i've enjoyed being a Villa fan this much.

Allthe way through?I can only remember being sick with worry in the lead up to most games.

Yes, all the way through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 09:24:44 PM

 I'm absolutely onside with that, the only time I had doubts was when the hangovers were really bad and even a bacon sandwich couldn't bring me hope.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Or maybe i'm just not a big girls blouse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:33:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Or maybe i'm just not a big girls blouse.

Fair enough. Let me just weigh it up for a second.

Nope, its you. You're mental.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 09:37:02 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:33:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Or maybe i'm just not a big girls blouse.

Fair enough. Let me just weigh it up for a second.

Nope, its you. You're mental.

Grow up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 11, 2013, 09:37:43 PM

Any Armenians on the transfer market ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claret and blue blood on June 11, 2013, 09:40:46 PM

We seem to be pressing ahead and getting our targets in without selling anyone yet which is a good sign. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2013, 09:42:18 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:35:07 PM

0-3 Armenia ....

Danes are worse than Scotland. I am not sure we should be signing any of their players!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:43:44 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:33:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Or maybe i'm just not a big girls blouse.

Fair enough. Let me just weigh it up for a second.

Nope, its you. You're mental.

Just as I was mental for saying all season we wouldn't go down  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:43:44 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:33:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

Or maybe i'm just not a big girls blouse.

Fair enough. Let me just weigh it up for a second.

Nope, its you. You're mental.

Just as I was mental for saying all season we wouldn't go down  ;)

well I was only 9 points out...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2013, 09:57:00 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

I can see both sides.

I spent most of last season's matches pacing around, smoking three cigarettes at the same time, shitting myself and generally being a quivering wreck, but looking back, there was plenty of enjoyment.

Miles more than the season before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 10:02:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2013, 09:57:00 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 11, 2013, 09:21:25 PM

Well, then, you're quite clearly mental.

I can see both sides.

I spent most of last season's matches pacing around, smoking three cigarettes at the same time, shitting myself and generally being a quivering wreck, but looking back, there was plenty of enjoyment.

Miles more than the season before.

I was nervous a few times of course, but I couldn't wait to get to games.

What Peter missed was this post that helped explain why I enjoyed last season so much.

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 10:06:33 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 11, 2013, 09:42:18 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:35:07 PM

0-3 Armenia ....

Danes are worse than Scotland. I am not sure we should be signing any of their players!

They were like a sunday morning team like nobody knew where they were playing !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie on June 11, 2013, 10:09:40 PM

Under Eck I worried each match we would lose and be relegated. Under Lambert there was always hope, the possibility of beating clubs away was real, the football was attractive if a little accident prone. We already have signed or resigned players, [MoN would be petrified], and have links with several. Players we had never heard of have been brilliant, dross is going. I like Lambert's style and philosophy. I pray he succeeds, top ten and above without breaking the bank. Wobberto may be windbags best in Europe, Lambert may well become a genuine top manager in the not too distant future.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 11, 2013, 10:10:44 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 08:36:49 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

We're thinking of signing a woman?

She must be good, if only for three weeks in every month.

Definitely deserves a post relating to a "leaky" defence!
;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 11, 2013, 10:13:38 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

Quote from: john e on June 11, 2013, 05:23:15 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

Van Persie was the best striker in the country, it was buying guaranteed goals, he also finished the best striker again in England last season
you cant compare him to Lescott who is not anywhere near the best CH in the country, and was made to look like a big lump of lard in the last game of the season by a average Norwich city player,
your not guaranteeing anything with Lescott, just a hope that he continues to do OK and not degenerate into the latest Villa millstone on massive wages, 

I don't think we will be signing Lescott he doesn't fit the Villa profile,

We may not sign Lescott, in fact I'd class it as very unlikely, but you're being terribly unfair to him there as a player.

Lescott's had two chances to join us, the team he apparently supports.
1. When he left Wolves.
2. When he left Everton and chose Money City.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:16:43 PM

What impresses me is that we clearly had people doing the spadework on these signings even while we were fighting desperately against relegation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 11, 2013, 10:19:50 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

This.

I went to more away games last season than I have done for years and other than suffering at Bradford I loved it.
Felt totally reconnected with our fantastic Away support, the team and the club generally, and incredibly proud to be a Villa fan, as always!
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2013, 10:23:02 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 11, 2013, 10:13:38 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

Quote from: john e on June 11, 2013, 05:23:15 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 11, 2013, 03:51:09 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 11, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Lescott is 31 in 2 months and on a reported 90K a week.

And we weren't lucky last season.

That's not particularly old for a centre back.
And I've seen defences as bad as ours relegate teams before.

It is when factoring in a new contract for a footballer.

So? There was still no luck in us staying up. We stayed up because we deserved to.

And we all saw what throwing buckets of cash at experienced premiership players did for QPR.

Was that becuase they were experienced or just the wrong players?  Man Utd threw bucket loads of cash at experienced PL striker Robin Van Persie and it won them the title.

I think we need to balance things a little more with a couple of experienced players.  And I think Lambert wanted to do that last season until injury and form meant the likes of Gabby, Bent, Ireland and Dunne did not feature as much as he might have expected.

However, if we continue with youth only I'm patient enough to wait and see this side develop together.   

Van Persie was the best striker in the country, it was buying guaranteed goals, he also finished the best striker again in England last season
you cant compare him to Lescott who is not anywhere near the best CH in the country, and was made to look like a big lump of lard in the last game of the season by a average Norwich city player,
your not guaranteeing anything with Lescott, just a hope that he continues to do OK and not degenerate into the latest Villa millstone on massive wages, 

I don't think we will be signing Lescott he doesn't fit the Villa profile,

We may not sign Lescott, in fact I'd class it as very unlikely, but you're being terribly unfair to him there as a player.

Lescott's had two chances to join us, the team he apparently supports.
1. When he left Wolves.
2. When he left Everton and chose Money City.

You think we would've matched Man City's bid of £25 million if he had wanted to join?

I couldn't really give a toss who people support but he'd do a job for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 11, 2013, 10:31:02 PM

Not with his fucking wages he wouldn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2013, 10:39:43 PM

Decent point. I assume Man City want rid of high-earners that don't play much and would have to contribute towards his wages like we'll probably have to with SFI.

Depends on if the Premier League and/or UEFA are really going to enforce the Financial Fair-Play regulations.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 11, 2013, 10:46:53 PM

I don't see Lambert breaking his ethos. Lescott is a no go. Too old, too expensive in fee and wages. He'd improve us possibly, largely short term.

Given the choice I'd actually go for Okore. I trust in Lambo's judgement. He seems an ideal part for Vlaar too, who hopefully will come on a level next season. Injuries didn't help him.

I'd also wager Belhanda is unlikely. I'd love it to happen but he's too expensive. We might be able to double our money in 1-2 years time, but the initial outlay is too much. We could bring in 2 players for that. We need quality and quantity in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 10:49:30 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2013, 07:43:50 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 11, 2013, 07:20:51 PM

For us to improve next season we need to buy better players, not players who might be better.I'm all for buying Okura, and the Danish kid, but we need to be buying players like Belhanda, or McCarthy, plus one or two others for us not to have to go through what we have had to the last 3 or 4 seasons.

 The basic philosophy i agree with, but replace the high earning, non-committed with high earning, highly committed.Iif we buy young players, who in 2/3/4 years want to play for Ure/Barca whatever, like Benteke, then i'm happy with that.

I don't entirely agree. I think holding onto the players that develop into the 15-30 million pound footballers together, for a period of time is the important bit, while still buying people who can grow into that bracket. We had none that would fetch more than 10 million last summer because they were not that good. Arguable that we now have 3-4 in that bracket just about. Not letting them walk away is just as important as buying finished articles. Belhanda looks interesting for sure, but for this summer, that may be beyond us. With 6-7 players to bring the squad up needed, it is going to be similar to last summer.

Agree with that Jim, but I do think we need a quality "starting" CB and possibly a LB as well. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 10:52:16 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 11, 2013, 10:19:50 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

This.

I went to more away games last season than I have done for years and other than suffering at Bradford I loved it.
Felt totally reconnected with our fantastic Away support, the team and the club generally, and incredibly proud to be a Villa fan, as always!
UTV!

One of the things about last season was that there were not too many meaningless games, especially after Christmas.  We spent most of the season either trying to get out of or stay away from the bottom three, so most games had something riding on them. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 11, 2013, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 11, 2013, 10:52:16 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 11, 2013, 10:19:50 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

I did. I looked forward to every game I went to. I've probably got to go back to 95/96 for the last time I enjoyed a season as much. I felt connected to the team, it felt like MY Aston Villa. That counts for more than just results to me.

And what we are doing so far since the season ended just reinforces that feeling.

This.

I went to more away games last season than I have done for years and other than suffering at Bradford I loved it.
Felt totally reconnected with our fantastic Away support, the team and the club generally, and incredibly proud to be a Villa fan, as always!
UTV!

One of the things about last season was that there were not too many meaningless games, especially after Christmas.  We spent most of the season either trying to get out of or stay away from the bottom three, so most games had something riding on them. 

Bang on tomd!
But there was a strong sense of hope in going to those games as opposed to the sense of dread of the season before. I genuinely think that the majority of us bought into the Lambert plan and can see that it seems to be going in the right direction.
Exciting times!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on June 11, 2013, 11:13:28 PM

Clark & Baker have 100 and 50 appearances now respectively.

I would consider Clark "experienced" by that measure.  Whether he is good enough?  That is still to be determined...

What I do believe though, is a pre-season working with Vlaar and knowing the midfield 3 of Westwood, Sylla and Delph is pretty much locked in should mean that the defensive unit is a lot more organised next season with an understanding of each other's roles and limitations.  I would love a new top class CB to slot straight in with premiership experience and a good track record of performance but I can't think of any that are available that are of a decent age profile with affordable fee and wages. To be honest, there are very few premiership CBs I rate atm, that would be gettable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 12, 2013, 07:39:36 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Jores Okore is very close to a move from FC Nordsjælland to the English Premier League club Aston Villa.

Only details before club switched to one of the largest leagues fall into place for the 20-year-old defender.

Aston Villa has for some time shown interest in Jores Okore. The middle English club offered 25 million. £ recently, but now the club has raised its bid, hoping to secure the physically powerful stops.

See also: Helenius agent for Aston Villa negotiations: Exciting

According to Ekstra Bladet information from the English press sources Aston Villa bid in the region of four million. pounds (35-37 million. DKK) for defenseman.

A tender, allegedly accepted by club owner Allan K. Pedersen FC North Zealand.

Now it is only a debate on the personal circumstances of Okore and a medical checkup, which is expected to take place over the next few days.

In Aston Villa must Jores Okore among others compete against Dutchman Ron Vlaar and Nathan Baker.

See also: Okore: - It looks mega black out

While Simon Kjaer and Andreas Bjelland before halftime sailed in the Danish defense, could Jores Okore from the bench due to the ease with which Armenia had by scoring two goals against the passive Danish defensive.

Jores Okore had to come off from the start of the second half as a replacement for an injured Andreas Bjelland.

The physically strong stops delivered no big match in the half, he got on the field. He was implicated in the scores to 0-3 as he blocked the end of the previous Randers-bombs Yura Movsisyan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on June 12, 2013, 07:42:17 AM

Quote from: Belgian Villain on June 11, 2013, 05:08:14 PM

Youtube scouting report: http://youtu.be/fk4KYSI-BEc

There's obviously something about him. Nice predatory instinct, no shuffling about, just straight to goal.

But by golly, there's some lousy defending to be seen in that clip.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 07:42:21 AM

Just read that. Good news. Apparently can play at left back too, so may, with Baker, Clarke and Okore able to play there, mean the interest in Cresswell will diminish.

So, striker back up for Benteke, wide forward and centre half before my birthday in mid June. Don't think we have done that before! Utility full back, another central midfield player that can score a few and reserve keeper and I would be pretty satisfied all in all. Maybe another wide forward but NZogbia stays and it is not really needed. Potentially (if Helenius and Okore do sign) a decent summer ahead. And for relative peanuts again. Does make me think though if Murphy, a cheap ish keeper and a 3-5 million full back do come, there would be room for a big signing or two in the wage budget late in the summer when the likes of Bent, Hutton, Given and Ireland have been moved on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 12, 2013, 07:54:24 AM

Helenius is well down the pecking order in the national team. He is 6. choice or something after Bendtner, Cornelius, Pedersen, Makienok and Fischer. I do actually not know much about him, I saw him once against HB Køge, March 2012, perhaps you all remember that game ;-) He was crap and substituted. But he has scored 16 goals this season and has been linked to other European clubs. He will propably not cost so much, so I reckon he is worth a gamble. Perhaps then loan out Bowery ?

Anyway, a Danish newspaper today writes that we have had an offer for Okore accepted. If we sign both Helenius and Okore, I expect the Danish television to show more Villa games this season :-) Last season they showed Swansea all the time because of Laudrup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MONCABA on June 12, 2013, 08:00:34 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Any chance of a translation from one of our Danish colleagues?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MONCABA on June 12, 2013, 08:01:59 AM

Quote from: MONCABA on June 12, 2013, 08:00:34 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Thank you

Any chance of a translation from one of our Danish colleagues?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:09:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:16:43 PM

What impresses me is that we clearly had people doing the spadework on these signings even while we were fighting desperately against relegation.

As the Crewe boss said last year villa do their homework - a 60 page dossier on Westwood before we signed him - seems lambert knows the value of a top scouting network.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 08:10:02 AM

Quote from: MONCABA on June 12, 2013, 08:00:34 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Any chance of a translation from one of our Danish colleagues?

Somebody has already kindly translated a couple of posts back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 12, 2013, 08:22:00 AM

Some interesting moves on danish players. Now there's a bit of speculation that NUFC are after Bent- has this been released after we have made our move for helenius? Yes it has. So i say bent is being replaced and can now be sold. Dunne has gone so this karoke guy is his replacement. I am wondering if some English players Lambert wants are  currently too highly priced as its early on in transfer window. Im thinking moves domestically may come later and that the foreign movers will be here sooner in hope to adapt to our ways. Im sure avfc transfer policy is flexible enough to sign players anytime but  at moment the UK based players don't seem a priority. What i like and its intriguing are the transfer moves we have been making are considered very promising indeed but a continued resistance for any experience and premier league experience. I hope at least the GKs we sign will have some experience     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 12, 2013, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: MONCABA on June 12, 2013, 08:00:34 AM

Quote from: VillaAlways on June 12, 2013, 07:34:59 AM

According to Danish newspaper a bid of 4 million euros accepted for Okore

@HeartOfTheHolte: Okore bid accepted: http://t.co/AadHx5XA1C #AVFC

Any chance of a translation from one of our Danish colleagues?

It basically says that a 4 million pound offer has been accepted and only few details need to be sorted before it goes through. A medical is expected in the next few days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 08:29:05 AM

A few stories in the press today that Newcastle are considering making an offer for D Bent.

I hope so as I would like to see a bidding war for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:30:46 AM

I am so excited about the possibility of keeping a clean sheet next season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rooboy316 on June 12, 2013, 08:32:08 AM

"It is now anticipated Bent will seek pastures new ahead of next campaign, and it is reported in both the Times and Daily Telegraph that Newcastle are potential suitors."

www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1474616/bent-linked-newcastle-move?cc=3436

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 08:34:25 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 07:42:21 AM

Just read that. Good news. Apparently can play at left back too, so may, with Baker, Clarke and Okore able to play there, mean the interest in Cresswell will diminish.

I'm pleased he can play left back as well. I'd have preferred Lescott personally because we know what we would have been getting but like someone suggested the other day, maybe Lambert is looking at Vlaar as the experienced man at the back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:36:32 AM

I think there is zero chance that lambert will ever go for a player like Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 12, 2013, 08:41:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:09:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:16:43 PM

What impresses me is that we clearly had people doing the spadework on these signings even while we were fighting desperately against relegation.

As the Crewe boss said last year villa do their homework - a 60 page dossier on Westwood before we signed him - seems lambert knows the value of a top scouting network.

Similar to MON then Eastie. After all O'Neill is his mentor and who Lambert models himself on. Well no doubt according to the lazy MON sychophants in the National Media

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 12, 2013, 08:41:11 AM

Quote from: rooboy316 on June 12, 2013, 08:32:08 AM

"It is now anticipated Bent will seek pastures new ahead of next campaign, and it is reported in both the Times and Daily Telegraph that Newcastle are potential suitors."

www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1474616/bent-linked-newcastle-move?cc=3436

Good luck to him and Given if they leave, did well for us and didn't whinge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:41:34 AM

Quote from: rooboy316 on June 12, 2013, 08:32:08 AM

"It is now anticipated Bent will seek pastures new ahead of next campaign, and it is reported in both the Times and Daily Telegraph that Newcastle are potential suitors."

www.espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1474616/bent-linked-newcastle-move?cc=3436

Newcastle and Fulham both linked at a fee of £6m - hopefully we can up that a bit more - he would certainly do a good Job at newcastle i think but be even more hated on wearside.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:44:32 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 12, 2013, 08:41:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:09:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:16:43 PM

What impresses me is that we clearly had people doing the spadework on these signings even while we were fighting desperately against relegation.

As the Crewe boss said last year villa do their homework - a 60 page dossier on Westwood before we signed him - seems lambert knows the value of a top scouting network.

Similar to MON then Eastie. After all O'Neill is his mentor and who Lambert models himself on. Well no doubt according to the lazy MON sychophants in the National Media

 No doubt he takes some things from mon after playing under him and rating him highly but I think his time at Dortmund under hitzfeld has had a huge impression on his managerial philosophy and thankfully he seems to have not incorporated mons faults .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 08:45:30 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:30:46 AM

I am so excited about the possibility of keeping a clean sheet next season

Come again?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 12, 2013, 08:46:32 AM

I do not think that Okore can play left back. Right back, perhaps, as he is right footed and ok on the ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 12, 2013, 08:47:08 AM

I think we will soon see players starting to leave

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:47:52 AM

Quote from: Morten on June 12, 2013, 08:46:32 AM

I do not think that Okore can play left back. Right back, perhaps, as he is right footed and ok on the ball.

He will be bought as centre half first and foremost and hopefully establish himself in that role .
I think Bennett is better than a lot give him credit for and he finished the season well but I would be happy enough to see cresswell come into the squad to add competition .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 08:48:33 AM

Quote from: Morten on June 12, 2013, 08:46:32 AM

I do not think that Okore can play left back. Right back, perhaps, as he is right footed and ok on the ball.

As long as he's versatile somewhere, that's great. Maybe that's why he let Lichaj go, knowing that a right footed defender was coming in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 08:50:55 AM

Quote from: Caiphus on June 11, 2013, 11:13:28 PM

Clark & Baker have 100 and 50 appearances now respectively.

I would consider Clark "experienced" by that measure.  Whether he is good enough?  That is still to be determined...

What I do believe though, is a pre-season working with Vlaar and knowing the midfield 3 of Westwood, Sylla and Delph is pretty much locked in should mean that the defensive unit is a lot more organised next season with an understanding of each other's roles and limitations.  I would love a new top class CB to slot straight in with premiership experience and a good track record of performance but I can't think of any that are available that are of a decent age profile with affordable fee and wages. To be honest, there are very few premiership CBs I rate atm, that would be gettable.

Good point re the pre-season learning window.
 
It seems clear that PL is going to stick with the defenders he has - now that Eric and Dung have gone - and that Okore will be (if he signs) one of 6 main defenders (Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar, CC, NB). This leaves Herd, Williams, Donacien and - presumably - Stevens as back-up.

It's youthful, certainly, but I think it lacks some specialism at FB, a role that is increasingly 'technical' in today's game.

Having said that, excited I am (in a Yoda-esque sort of way).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 12, 2013, 08:54:13 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:44:32 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 12, 2013, 08:41:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 08:09:24 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 11, 2013, 10:16:43 PM

What impresses me is that we clearly had people doing the spadework on these signings even while we were fighting desperately against relegation.

As the Crewe boss said last year villa do their homework - a 60 page dossier on Westwood before we signed him - seems lambert knows the value of a top scouting network.

Similar to MON then Eastie. After all O'Neill is his mentor and who Lambert models himself on. Well no doubt according to the lazy MON sychophants in the National Media

 No doubt he takes some things from mon after playing under him and rating him highly but I think his time at Dortmund under hitzfeld has had a huge impression on his managerial philosophy and thankfully he seems to have not incorporated mons faults .

Yep thankfully he seems to be more akin to Kaiser Otto overall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:54:43 AM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 08:45:30 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:30:46 AM

I am so excited about the possibility of keeping a clean sheet next season

Come again?

Actually you're right. I'm just getting carried away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 12, 2013, 08:54:49 AM

The only camparison that can be made with MON is the way he celebrates.
Everything else is way better than Martin, from Transfers, tactics, trust in players and Philosophy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 08:55:52 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 12, 2013, 08:54:49 AM

The only camparison that can be made with MON is the way he celebrates.
Everything else is way better than Martin, from Transfers, tactics, trust in players and Philosophy.

Results are not as good though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 09:00:54 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 08:55:52 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 12, 2013, 08:54:49 AM

The only camparison that can be made with MON is the way he celebrates.
Everything else is way better than Martin, from Transfers, tactics, trust in players and Philosophy.

Results are not as good though.

Hopefully that will come.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 09:01:31 AM

Sixth place, eh. Sixth! Them was the days

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 12, 2013, 09:03:52 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 08:29:05 AM

A few stories in the press today that Newcastle are considering making an offer for D Bent.

I hope so as I would like to see a bidding war for him.

Bent seems to have a habit of rocking up at big clubs that find themselves in the doldrums. He probably should have had more success in his career than he has.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 09:05:38 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 09:01:31 AM

Sixth place, eh. Sixth! Them was the days

Once upon a time there was a tavern...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:07:11 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 12, 2013, 09:03:52 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 08:29:05 AM

A few stories in the press today that Newcastle are considering making an offer for D Bent.

I hope so as I would like to see a bidding war for him.

Bent seems to have a habit of rocking up at big clubs that find themselves in the doldrums. He probably should have had more success in his career than he has.

He'd do a good job at Arsenal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 09:09:13 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:07:11 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 12, 2013, 09:03:52 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 08:29:05 AM

A few stories in the press today that Newcastle are considering making an offer for D Bent.

I hope so as I would like to see a bidding war for him.

Bent seems to have a habit of rocking up at big clubs that find themselves in the doldrums. He probably should have had more success in his career than he has.

He'd do a good job at Arsenal.

Always thought that , the chances they create he would have a field day but not a wenger type of player, will probably knock in 20 a season on Tyneside.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 12, 2013, 09:09:58 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:36:32 AM

I think there is zero chance that lambert will ever go for a player like Lescott.

I think your right, I think he probably would have loaned him last season but that's it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 09:11:34 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 12, 2013, 09:03:52 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 08:29:05 AM

A few stories in the press today that Newcastle are considering making an offer for D Bent.

I hope so as I would like to see a bidding war for him.

Bent seems to have a habit of rocking up at big clubs that find themselves in the doldrums. He probably should have had more success in his career than he has.

Look at the pattern of his transfers - he does well for 18-24 months and then moves on, the goals often having dried up.
He or his agent or both are on a 're-cycle the contract' gig, IMHO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 12, 2013, 09:15:47 AM

An interesting thing about Okore is that he actually turned down a move to Chelsea in January, as he did not think he would get enough playing time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:26:00 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

Don't you think he improved during the season though and is therefore likely to better next?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 09:26:50 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

Bit harsh , once he found his form and fitness his game improved a lot . Wouldnt be worried if lambert bought in competition at left back or or not , centre defence is the main weakness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 09:33:29 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 08:34:25 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 07:42:21 AM

Just read that. Good news. Apparently can play at left back too, so may, with Baker, Clarke and Okore able to play there, mean the interest in Cresswell will diminish.

I'm pleased he can play left back as well. I'd have preferred Lescott personally because we know what we would have been getting but like someone suggested the other day, maybe Lambert is looking at Vlaar as the experienced man at the back.

My thoughts too. I said a few weeks ago, I wouldn't be surprised to see lambert look at vlaar now as the seasoned veteran and sign a new unknown CB. Would rather go with Okore than lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2013, 09:36:30 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

I don't think you will. as he's going to prove a lot of doubters wrong this season by having a great one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on June 12, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

I think the whole of the defence will be stronger/more composed with a decent, settled midfield in front of them.  Don't think it was any coincidence that our form got better at the back end of the season when we had a reasonably settled team and people began to understand each others play a bit better.  Hopefully, with a decent pre-season under their belts, and maybe a couple of new faces to gee those in possession to improve even further, we will not suffer the horrors of last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 09:41:48 AM

Quote from: fredm on June 12, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

I think the whole of the defence will be stronger/more composed with a decent, settled midfield in front of them.  Don't think it was any coincidence that our form got better at the back end of the season when we had a reasonably settled team and people began to understand each others play a bit better.  Hopefully, with a decent pre-season under their belts, and maybe a couple of new faces to gee those in possession to improve even further, we will not suffer the horrors of last season.

Wise words Fred.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2013, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 12, 2013, 08:22:00 AM

this karoke guy   

Hope he doesn't do 'I Will Survive'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 09:45:57 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 12, 2013, 08:22:00 AM

Dunne has gone so this karoke guy is his replacement.     

Surely it's not too hard to look up and use his real name? Especially if he will be a new player for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 12, 2013, 10:29:10 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 12, 2013, 08:47:08 AM

I think we will soon see players starting to leave

8 players already released.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 10:52:19 AM

Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2013, 09:36:30 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

I don't think you will. as he's going to prove a lot of doubters wrong this season by having a great one.

I think it's easier to take a young full back and teach him the art of defending than it is to make him good going forward.  If he can tighten up defensively, then Bennett could be a huge player for us.  Lambert knows this and will be reluctant to throw that away by buying a new LB and sticking him in the stiffs.  Given the CBs we have that can play there, plus Stevens, I'd risk it for one more season.  We have to remember that while some of our young 2012 signings made a more immediate impact, the watch word for players like them should always be 'patience' and we're signing them for what they will be, not what they are.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 12, 2013, 11:07:37 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 11, 2013, 08:36:49 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 11, 2013, 08:33:09 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 11, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

Okore has come on for the 2nd Half....

We're thinking of signing a woman?

She must be good, if only for three weeks in every month.

Three weeks a month more than Stephen Ireland!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 11:12:26 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 10:52:19 AM

Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2013, 09:36:30 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 09:22:13 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

I couldn't go through another season of watching Bennett getting destroyed down the left.

I don't think you will. as he's going to prove a lot of doubters wrong this season by having a great one.

I think it's easier to take a young full back and teach him the art of defending than it is to make him good going forward.  If he can tighten up defensively, then Bennett could be a huge player for us.  Lambert knows this and will be reluctant to throw that away by buying a new LB and sticking him in the stiffs.  Given the CBs we have that can play there, plus Stevens, I'd risk it for one more season.  We have to remember that while some of our young 2012 signings made a more immediate impact, the watch word for players like them should always be 'patience' and we're signing them for what they will be, not what they are.   

He looks pretty bloody good anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on June 12, 2013, 11:30:00 AM

"Danish media this morning reporting that a £4m fee has been agreed for Okore, and over the next few days personal terms and a medical will be thrashed out."

Here's a very roughly translated article.

Quote

Jores Okore is very close to a move from FC Nordsjælland to the English Premier League club Aston Villa.

Only details before club switched to one of the largest leagues fall into place for the 20-year-old defender.

Aston Villa has for some time shown interest in Jores Okore. The middle English club offered 25 million. £ recently, but now the club has raised its bid, hoping to secure the physically powerful stops.

According to Ekstra Bladet information from the English press sources Aston Villa bid in the region of four million. pounds (35-37 million. DKK) for defenseman.

A tender, allegedly accepted by club owner Allan K. Pedersen FC North Zealand.

Now it is only a debate on the personal circumstances of Okore and a medical checkup, which is expected to take place over the next few days.

In Aston Villa must Jores Okore among others compete against Dutchman Ron Vlaar and Nathan Baker.

While Simon Kjaer and Andreas Bjelland before halftime sailed in the Danish defense, could Jores Okore from the bench due to the ease with which Armenia had by scoring two goals against the passive Danish defensive.

Jores Okore had to come off from the start of the second half as a replacement for an injured Andreas Bjelland.

The physically strong stops delivered no big match in the half, he got on the field. He was implicated in the scores to 0-3 as he blocked the end of the previous Randers-bombs Yura Movsisyan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 11:43:25 AM

Quote from: Chipsticks on June 12, 2013, 11:30:00 AM

"Danish media this morning reporting that a £4m fee has been agreed for Okore, and over the next few days personal terms and a medical will be thrashed out."

Here's a very roughly translated article.

Quote

Jores Okore is very close to a move from FC Nordsjælland to the English Premier League club Aston Villa.

Only details before club switched to one of the largest leagues fall into place for the 20-year-old defender.

Aston Villa has for some time shown interest in Jores Okore. The middle English club offered 25 million. £ recently, but now the club has raised its bid, hoping to secure the physically powerful stops.

According to Ekstra Bladet information from the English press sources Aston Villa bid in the region of four million. pounds (35-37 million. DKK) for defenseman.

A tender, allegedly accepted by club owner Allan K. Pedersen FC North Zealand.

Now it is only a debate on the personal circumstances of Okore and a medical checkup, which is expected to take place over the next few days.

In Aston Villa must Jores Okore among others compete against Dutchman Ron Vlaar and Nathan Baker.

While Simon Kjaer and Andreas Bjelland before halftime sailed in the Danish defense, could Jores Okore from the bench due to the ease with which Armenia had by scoring two goals against the passive Danish defensive.

Jores Okore had to come off from the start of the second half as a replacement for an injured Andreas Bjelland.

The physically strong stops delivered no big match in the half, he got on the field. He was implicated in the scores to 0-3 as he blocked the end of the previous Randers-bombs Yura Movsisyan.

You are 3 hours behind Tom , go back a couple of pages ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 11:45:17 AM

eastie, you spend to many hours on here. ;)
Can Okore have his own thread yet, or is it to soon ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 12, 2013, 11:49:31 AM

Apparently Okore is already on his way for the medical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 11:45:17 AM

eastie, you spend to many hours on here. ;)
Can Okore have his own thread yet, or is it to soon ?

Go for it , if not3bad is correct it will be great news.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 11:56:07 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 11:50:42 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 11:45:17 AM

eastie, you spend to many hours on here. ;)
Can Okore have his own thread yet, or is it to soon ?

Go for it , if not3bad is correct it will be great news.

I think it is wise to wait for at least one hour mate ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 12, 2013, 12:00:41 PM

Apparently the bookies have stopped taking bets on Okore moving to Villa, looks like its a goer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:01:09 PM

It's the famous danlanza wink!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 12:03:09 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 09:19:37 AM

I think I'm probably in the minority but I don't think we need a new left-back.

Yes, Bennett had some shaky games last season, but I thought he finished it very well and was particularly good at home to Sunderland (although I realise they all were).
From the little we've all seen of him, Stevens is adequate cover (remember the ManUre home game?) and Baker and Clark can also play there if needed.

Above all else, I think that signing a new left-back would almost be like PL writing Bennett off (and therefore admitting he made a mistake) and I can't for the life of me see him doing that without giving him another season first.

But he then followed that up with a bit of a shocker against Norwich.  I agree that he definitely showed potential last season and his overall form improved towards the end of the season, but he was far from being a consistent performer.  I do think we need another option there though, but rather than bringing in another specialist LB, I would prefer someone that could cover both full-back positions.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:03:26 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:01:09 PM

It's the famous danlanza wink!!

I hope so matey. We will know very soon. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 12:03:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 12, 2013, 12:00:41 PM

Apparently the bookies have stopped taking bets on Okore moving to Villa, looks like its a goer.

Probably the only real indicator something is happening before it's announced on either club's website.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:07:46 PM

You're right about the Norwich game Tom, but all I'd say is that under Lambert I fully expect players to learn from mistakes like the one that Bennett made for their penalty.

It's not like he's Alan Hutton with a load of International caps under his belt, who should know better, and I fully believe he'll be given another season as our first-choice left-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:08:48 PM

I took the day off work, so he better bloody sign. Get on with it ya big lump!! Sign.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 12, 2013, 12:09:18 PM

Hey Dan, any chance of next week's lottery numbers? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2013, 12:10:21 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:08:48 PM

I took the day off work, so he better bloody sign. Get on with it ya big lump!! Sign.

that is dedication , i tip my hat sir

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:07:46 PM

You're right about the Norwich game Tom, but all I'd say is that under Lambert I fully expect players to learn from mistakes like the one that Bennett made for their penalty.

It's not like he's Alan Hutton with a load of International caps under his belt, who should know better, and I fully believe he'll be given another season as our first-choice left-back.

Which is fair enough Russell.  I expect a lot of the younger players will have benefited in many ways from what they went through last season and with a good pre-season under their belts, will hopefully kick on next season.  I am fine with Joe Bennett starting at LB for us, but I would like to see some decent cover for him in the squad in case he has a dip in form.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 12, 2013, 12:09:18 PM

Hey Dan, any chance of next week's lottery numbers? ;)

I could not even get one bloody number on last nights Euro millions dave. Sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:18:18 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

I am fine with Joe Bennett starting at LB for us, but I would like to see some decent cover for him in the squad in case he has a dip in form.   

Enda Stevens looked like adequate cover on the couple of occasions I saw him. I also remember Clark playing there a few times (most notably when we beat Man City on Bent's debut) and Baker, who also did ok.

Whilst on the topic, BBC Sport have just written;

"Aaron Cresswell would cost in excess of £4m should Southampton or any other side try to tempt Ipswich into selling one of their rising stars, reports the Southern Daily Echo.

Saints have been linked with a move for the 23-year-old left back, who is reported to have attracted interest from Aston Villa and Everton."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:19:00 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:07:46 PM

You're right about the Norwich game Tom, but all I'd say is that under Lambert I fully expect players to learn from mistakes like the one that Bennett made for their penalty.

It's not like he's Alan Hutton with a load of International caps under his belt, who should know better, and I fully believe he'll be given another season as our first-choice left-back.

Which is fair enough Russell.  I expect a lot of the younger players will have benefited in many ways from what they went through last season and with a good pre-season under their belts, will hopefully kick on next season.  I am fine with Joe Bennett starting at LB for us, but I would like to see some decent cover for him in the squad in case he has a dip in form.   

I think Bennett's game will improve enormously with improvement at CB and stability in MF.
Cover / tactical alternative for Bennett is still an issue, tho'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:20:34 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:18:18 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 12:13:48 PM

I am fine with Joe Bennett starting at LB for us, but I would like to see some decent cover for him in the squad in case he has a dip in form.   

Enda Stevens looked like adequate cover on the couple of occasions I saw him. I also remember Clark playing there a few times (most notably when we beat Man City on Bent's debut) and Baker, who also did ok.

Whilst on the topic, BBC Sport have just written;

"Aaron Cresswell would cost in excess of £4m should Southampton or any other side try to tempt Ipswich into selling one of their rising stars, reports the Southern Daily Echo.

Saints have been linked with a move for the 23-year-old left back, who is reported to have attracted interest from Aston Villa and Everton."

I saw the local Suffolk press quoting £6m for cresswell last week - I'm not sure we would be looking to go down that road - Clark, baker and Stevens can cover the position as russ says.

Cresswell is a decent player though and if we did get him he would be an asset - cant see it happening at £6m , we have other positions to strengthen.

If okore, helenius and tonev are confirmed then i think we would be halfway through what we need to do- another 3 in would be required though for me .

Maybe a creative midfielder , back up keeper, and possibly utility defender .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 12, 2013, 12:22:48 PM

new kits...new players...big smile on my face today.......

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Mr walnuts, do i detect sarcasm there ? ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:36:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Quite.

It would have been impressive if dan's ITK had told him about this yesterday as opposed to it being suggested today by a Danish paper.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:44 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Brown on bacon, red on sausage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:36:55 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Newsnow like everyone else

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:37:05 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Mint wIth a touch of parsley.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:36:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Quite.

It would have been impressive if dan's ITK had told him about this yesterday as opposed to it being suggested today by a Danish paper.

Was told 2 days ago, but hey ho, not everything is for telling at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:38:02 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Mr walnuts, do i detect sarcasm there ? ;D

Yes.

You're basically saying he's going to sign for us, but you give the time as "later", which could mean any point in the future.

A player we have been heavily linked with over the last week.

Not really the stuff of Nostradamus, is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 12, 2013, 12:38:15 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:44 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Brown on bacon, red on sausage.

Red on sausage?  Blimey you've got a good woman there my man!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:38:40 PM

As sir saunders once said -

When you hark to the voice of the knocker ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 12:41:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:44 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 12, 2013, 12:35:41 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

What's ya sauce?

Brown on bacon, red on sausage.

You can have no faith in the character of a man who performs such an act of debauchery

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:41:47 PM

To be fair to Dan, the 'press' are just suggesting that a fee's been agreed which- as Villa fans- we should all know is a long way off being a completed deal, which is what I think Dan is saying....?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on June 12, 2013, 12:44:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:38:02 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Mr walnuts, do i detect sarcasm there ? ;D

Yes.

You're basically saying he's going to sign for us, but you give the time as "later", which could mean any point in the future.

A player we have been heavily linked with over the last week.

Not really the stuff of Nostradamus, is it?

To be fair to Dan, He's not "Basically saying he will sign for us" He's said. He is a Villa Player and will be announced by Villa Later.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:44:49 PM

 

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:41:47 PM

To be fair to Dan, the 'press' are just suggesting that a fee's been agreed which- as Villa fans- we should all know is a long way off being a completed deal, which is what I think Dan is saying....?

Keep your eyes peeled on the 2pm kit launch . ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:45:35 PM

No wink eastie...?

 :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:53:23 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:44:49 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 12:41:47 PM

To be fair to Dan, the 'press' are just suggesting that a fee's been agreed which- as Villa fans- we should all know is a long way off being a completed deal, which is what I think Dan is saying....?

Keep your eyes peeled on the 2pm kit launch . ;)

eastie Mark's another post with an 'edit' ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:36:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Quite.

It would have been impressive if dan's ITK had told him about this yesterday as opposed to it being suggested today by a Danish paper.

Was told 2 days ago, but hey ho, not everything is for telling at the time.

What, so your "source" told you not to mention this two days ago? Makes sense. Because had you mentioned it Bayern Munich or Man City operatives might have read it and scuppered the deal - right?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:56:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:38:02 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Mr walnuts, do i detect sarcasm there ? ;D

Yes.

You're basically saying he's going to sign for us, but you give the time as "later", which could mean any point in the future.

A player we have been heavily linked with over the last week.

Not really the stuff of Nostradamus, is it?

Maybe i should have said " Later today." My mistake, terribly sorry and all that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:02:08 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 12:36:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:15:37 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 12:14:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 12:12:47 PM

Kit launch at 2 could  be interesting regarding transfer news ;)

Mark have you got Dan's approval to the use of that winky thing?

Indeed I have sir! ;)

I have been reliably informed that Okore is now a Villa player. Official statement by Villa to follow later. Hold on to your hats.
The English Dortmund are on there way.

"later".

Ha ha.

Quite.

It would have been impressive if dan's ITK had told him about this yesterday as opposed to it being suggested today by a Danish paper.

Was told 2 days ago, but hey ho, not everything is for telling at the time.

What, so your "source" told you not to mention this two days ago? Makes sense. Because had you mentioned it Bayern Munich or Man City operatives might have read it and scuppered the deal - right?

No. Because there is no need to start a " Rumour." Facts are what my "ITK" tells me, not idiotic rumours. Had i posted about this two days ago, and no deal was in sight then i would have had the same response from certain people on this thread as i am getting now. Oh well, you cannot win them all.
Not like i give a shit, you must understand." WINKY THING"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on June 12, 2013, 01:02:19 PM

I have to admit i like Lambert signing this pre season he is a quality manager

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:07:34 PM

eastie, crack open a bottle mate and wait a while. Peroni for me, would you like one ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 01:07:56 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 12, 2013, 12:00:41 PM

Apparently the bookies have stopped taking bets on Okore moving to Villa, looks like its a goer.

well I hate a shit day yesterday and this is cheering my wednesday up ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:08:28 PM

Not sure why some posters are so wound-up by Dan's 'whispers'. It's not like he's on a wind-up or trying to claim some kind of Super Spy status. He's just passing on info that, I guess, he receives from somebody who works for the club.

Let's be honest, if it's wrong he's just making himself look a bit silly isn't he? If he's right on this one then he's ahead of every report I've read so far, so maybe we should wait and see, eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 01:11:24 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 12, 2013, 12:00:41 PM

Apparently the bookies have stopped taking bets on Okore moving to Villa, looks like its a goer.

I will only stop betting when Dan says so!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:11:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:07:34 PM

eastie, crack open a bottle mate and wait a while. Peroni for me, would you like one ?

Why not danny boy ;) pass the bottle :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:12:39 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:08:28 PM

Not sure why some posters are so wound-up by Dan's 'whispers'. It's not like he's on a wind-up or trying to claim some kind of Super Spy status. He's just passing on info that, I guess, he receives from somebody who works for the club.

Let's be honest, if it's wrong he's just making himself look a bit silly isn't he? If he's right on this one then he's ahead of every report I've read so far, so maybe we should wait and see, eh?

Thank you Russell. Lets wait and see.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2013, 01:14:15 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:12:39 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:08:28 PM

Not sure why some posters are so wound-up by Dan's 'whispers'. It's not like he's on a wind-up or trying to claim some kind of Super Spy status. He's just passing on info that, I guess, he receives from somebody who works for the club.

Let's be honest, if it's wrong he's just making himself look a bit silly isn't he? If he's right on this one then he's ahead of every report I've read so far, so maybe we should wait and see, eh?

Thank you Russell. Lets wait and see.

i think you are a superhero for good

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on June 12, 2013, 01:17:42 PM

Will we have a shirt big enough for Okore?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:20:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:11:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:07:34 PM

eastie, crack open a bottle mate and wait a while. Peroni for me, would you like one ?

Why not danny boy ;) pass the bottle :)

It's on its way pal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 12, 2013, 01:21:11 PM

IF Okore is completed today/tomorrow/in the future, I just wonder how much of an influence Laursen has been throughout the proceedings?

As a player who loved the club more than anything else, with the Danish nationality, he could certainly trip some of the balance - in the same way that Petrov could do too.

I'm also very encouraged that he has turned down a move to Chelsea claiming he doesn't want the money, and that he wants to play football. It's a very refreshing attitude than the modern game has bred, which is really great to see. Looking at the list of clubs he's been linked to too though, if he does sign for us, it'll potentially be a pretty major coup.

I've got a lot of optimism about this forthcoming season. If we can keep Benteke, Tonev provides the goods, Okore and Helenius sign, then I think realistically, we could be into a European challenge next season. We have got so much potential - which at times we saw last season. This next season is the one where we can really grow on the basis of the last, and hopefully, we'll be looking at a really good season.

Random daydreaming, not really relevant to this thread, but thought I'd share it anyway!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:29:50 PM

Surely what matters here ps that if okore signs its a great signing for us and will sort a lot of our defensive problems- who knew or didn't know about it first is neither here or there - lets just be happy with the signing if it is confirmed today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

Get in a yellow suit and learn to fly and I will give you Russell Grant status. Before then, you are more like the horror scopes in the Daily Star!

And what you do with Mystic Meg is totally up to you but never speak of it on here!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 12, 2013, 01:30:24 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

but if you used twitter for your ITK you would be wrong 95% of the time

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:31:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:29:50 PM

Surely what matters here ps that if okore signs its a great signing for us and will sort a lot of our defensive problems- who knew or didn't know about it first is neither here or there - lets just be happy with the signing if it is confirmed today.

I agree it is good, but I think hoping a 20 year old will sort it all out back there is very optimistic. I think we are more solid due to the formation and midfield, but I still think we will ship 50 or so goals next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:32:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:31:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:29:50 PM

Surely what matters here ps that if okore signs its a great signing for us and will sort a lot of our defensive problems- who knew or didn't know about it first is neither here or there - lets just be happy with the signing if it is confirmed today.

I agree it is good, but I think hoping a 20 year old will sort it all out back there is very optimistic. I think we are more solid due to the formation and midfield, but I still think we will ship 50 or so goals next season.

50 goals would be quite an improvement and probably result in a top 8 place though ozz .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

Get in a yellow suit and learn to fly and I will give you Russell Grant status. Before then, you are more like the horror scopes in the Daily Star!

And what you do with Mystic Meg is totally up to you but never speak of it on here!!

Nothing wrong with Mystic Meg. I was hoping for a Sun rating on the horror scopes though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: aev on June 12, 2013, 01:37:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So he is now at the training ground you think?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:39:09 PM

Quote from: æv on June 12, 2013, 01:37:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So he is now at the training ground you think?

So the tea leaves would suggest ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So are you still sticking to your story that Tonev was at Bodymoor at 7.30am on that Saturday morning?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 12, 2013, 01:46:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

Get in a yellow suit and learn to fly and I will give you Russell Grant status. Before then, you are more like the horror scopes in the Daily Star!

And what you do with Mystic Meg is totally up to you but never speak of it on here!!

Nothing wrong with Mystic Meg. I was hoping for a Sun rating on the horror scopes though.

Did you know she can see round corners with that wonky eye.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:47:39 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So are you still sticking to your story that Tonev was at Bodymoor at 7.30am on that Saturday morning?

That is when i was first told about him being " On his way." Oh, and yes, OKORE is at Bodymoor now and you can take that to the bank. :P

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:49:33 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 12, 2013, 01:46:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:30:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

Get in a yellow suit and learn to fly and I will give you Russell Grant status. Before then, you are more like the horror scopes in the Daily Star!

And what you do with Mystic Meg is totally up to you but never speak of it on here!!

Nothing wrong with Mystic Meg. I was hoping for a Sun rating on the horror scopes though.

Did you know she can see round corners with that wonky eye.

Bloody hell bert, you know some amazing stuff. Is that true or are you just starting a rumour off. Who is your ITK ? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 01:51:29 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:31:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 01:29:50 PM

Surely what matters here ps that if okore signs its a great signing for us and will sort a lot of our defensive problems- who knew or didn't know about it first is neither here or there - lets just be happy with the signing if it is confirmed today.

I agree it is good, but I think hoping a 20 year old will sort it all out back there is very optimistic. I think we are more solid due to the formation and midfield, but I still think we will ship 50 or so goals next season.

Yes, this is the big 'unknown', Ozz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:52:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

So are you still sticking to your story that Tonev was at Bodymoor at 7.30am on that Saturday morning?

Just to check, are we now questioning Dan because, even though what he said turned-out to be correct, the exact timings can't be proven...?

Really? I mean....really...???

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 01:53:59 PM

What makes me suspicious is that in one post Danlanza knew what weekly wage Villa had offered Tonev.  That would be fair enough if he had a mole deep inside villa, however what confused me, was that he also knew what Celtic and other clubs had offered. 

I'm not sure whether there's anyone in the world who would be party to all those bits of information AND details of the Okore signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:54:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:47:39 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So are you still sticking to your story that Tonev was at Bodymoor at 7.30am on that Saturday morning?

That is when i was first told about him being " On his way." Oh, and yes, OKORE is at Bodymoor now and you can take that to the bank. :P

What will the bank give me?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:56:54 PM

Come-on now, this is silly. He’s not claiming to be the Oracle he’s claiming to know somebody who works at BH and who tips him-off when he knows of any interesting arrivals. I know we live in the era of the Internet WUM, but this is a more than feasible story, and I’m a bit baffled why some of you are in such a hurry to rubbish-him at every opportunity.

As I said before he’s only going to make himself look silly if he’s wrong.

Oh, and me now, for sticking up for him....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:54:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:47:39 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

There are a number of ITK on twitter claiming it is happening today too, and last week your Sat am at 7.30 for Tonev was after the Bulgarian press had said it was almost done. Give us a scoop on someone before the press are basically reporting it as done and there might not be people raising eyebrows to your predictions Dan.

I do not have that much advanced knowledge, unfortunately. I only know anything if said player goes into Bodymoor, not the minute the press get a whisper. At least it is something though, not just idle rumours. Sorry for not being able to look into a crystal ball or read the stars. What do you think my name is, Russell fucking Grant ? ;) Mystic bloody Meg ? :o

So are you still sticking to your story that Tonev was at Bodymoor at 7.30am on that Saturday morning?

That is when i was first told about him being " On his way." Oh, and yes, OKORE is at Bodymoor now and you can take that to the bank. :P

What will the bank give me?

Fuck all, if you are in the same bank as me, Santander. Robbing bastards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 02:02:45 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:56:54 PM

Come-on now, this is silly. He’s not claiming to be the Oracle he’s claiming to know somebody who works at BH and who tips him-off when he knows of any interesting arrivals. I know we live in the era of the Internet WUM, but this is a more than feasible story, and I’m a bit baffled why some of you are in such a hurry to rubbish-him at every opportunity.

As I said before he’s only going to make himself look silly if he’s wrong.

Oh, and me now, for sticking up for him....

The point some of us are trying to make is that in this "world" we live in when getting the scoop can be considered a big deal if you are going come out with anything definitive you better be right. And if you are going come on as having information ahead of the game it better not be something I or anyone else read earlier that day or days prior.

Back to transfers, I'm delighted that we have three players coming in so soon. Real ITK will be when someone tells all of us that Benteke has rolled in to Bodymoor to sign a new 3 or 4 year deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 02:03:01 PM

No one is being horrible, there have been so many ITK's down the years people get a bit sceptical that is all. I hope Dan is right, and I hope he continues to be so all summer. The time thing on the Tonev deal was a bit silly as it left him open to being wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:04:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 01:56:54 PM

Come-on now, this is silly. He’s not claiming to be the Oracle he’s claiming to know somebody who works at BH and who tips him-off when he knows of any interesting arrivals. I know we live in the era of the Internet WUM, but this is a more than feasible story, and I’m a bit baffled why some of you are in such a hurry to rubbish-him at every opportunity.

As I said before he’s only going to make himself look silly if he’s wrong.

Oh, and me now, for sticking up for him....

I have got two big hats with a big D on them for both of us should this story not be true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:06:19 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 02:03:01 PM

No one is being horrible, there have been so many ITK's down the years people get a bit sceptical that is all. I hope Dan is right, and I hope he continues to be so all summer. The time thing on the Tonev deal was a bit silly as it left him open to being wrong.

Very fair comment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:09:06 PM

As of 1.57pm Okore is still at Bodymoor Heath. Get in your cars and go look for yourselves if you want. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WA Villan on June 12, 2013, 02:10:11 PM

It's a shame that you have to defend yourself when offering titbits and maybe certain ITK information. I enjoy every snippet, keep it coming. Anyone who wants a breakdown or timescale of where or when what happens need to get a hobby.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 02:02:45 PM

The point some of us are trying to make is that in this "world" we live in when getting the scoop can be considered a big deal if you are going come out with anything definitive you better be right. And if you are going come on as having information ahead of the game it better not be something I or anyone else read earlier that day or days prior.

"Getting the Scoop?!" He's not exactly building himself up to be an Investigative Journalist! As I see it he has the square-root of fuck-all to be made by passing-on this info, whilst potentially making himself look like a wally if it's not correct.  Bringing up the Tonev info (which, for all we know was correct) as a stick to beat him with seems a bit silly too. Surely we should have a go at the 'ITK's when they're wrong, not when they're right...??

As for the Okore deal, I've been online all day so far and Dan is the only person who's claiming to 'know' that he's at Bodymoor Heath that I've seen, so I'm going to wait and see. If it's right, then brilliant, if not then it'll just mean Dan loses his credibility (as do I!).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 02:16:28 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 01:53:59 PM

What makes me suspicious is that in one post Danlanza knew what weekly wage Villa had offered Tonev.  That would be fair enough if he had a mole deep inside villa, however what confused me, was that he also knew what Celtic and other clubs had offered. 

I'm not sure whether there's anyone in the world who would be party to all those bits of information AND details of the Okore signing.

Dan - did I misunderstand your earlier post and you were guessing on wages? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:17:35 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:09:06 PM

As of 1.57pm Okore is still at Bodymoor Heath. Get in your cars and go look for yourselves if you want. ;)

I'm sitting in a tree with my ipad , having a Danish roll ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:20:41 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 02:02:45 PM

The point some of us are trying to make is that in this "world" we live in when getting the scoop can be considered a big deal if you are going come out with anything definitive you better be right. And if you are going come on as having information ahead of the game it better not be something I or anyone else read earlier that day or days prior.

"Getting the Scoop?!" He's not exactly building himself up to be an Investigative Journalist! As I see it he has the square-root of fuck-all to be made by passing-on this info, whilst potentially making himself look like a wally if it's not correct.  Bringing up the Tonev info (which, for all we know was correct) as a stick to beat him with seems a bit silly too. Surely we should have a go at the 'ITK's when they're wrong, not when they're right...??

As for the Okore deal, I've been online all day so far and Dan is the only person who's claiming to 'know' that he's at Bodymoor Heath that I've seen, so I'm going to wait and see. If it's right, then brilliant, if not then it'll just mean Dan loses his credibility (as do I!).

Nail on head.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 12, 2013, 02:29:52 PM

I like the guy. he's as close to an ITK who is ITK as you could get short of Lambert posting on here under an assumed name like avillainsider. Then again maybe Dan is Lambert!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:32:00 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 02:16:28 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 01:53:59 PM

What makes me suspicious is that in one post Danlanza knew what weekly wage Villa had offered Tonev.  That would be fair enough if he had a mole deep inside villa, however what confused me, was that he also knew what Celtic and other clubs had offered. 

I'm not sure whether there's anyone in the world who would be party to all those bits of information AND details of the Okore signing.

Dan - did I misunderstand your earlier post and you were guessing on wages?

Have i mentioned wages ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:33:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:17:35 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:09:06 PM

As of 1.57pm Okore is still at Bodymoor Heath. Get in your cars and go look for yourselves if you want. ;)

I'm sitting in a tree with my ipad , having a Danish roll ;)

Who is the Dane you are rolling with ? Shit ,forgot ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:34:36 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 12, 2013, 02:29:52 PM

I like the guy. he's as close to an ITK who is ITK as you could get short of Lambert posting on here under an assumed name like avillainsider. Then again maybe Dan is Lambert!

Can assure you that culver.. I mean dan is not lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:38:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:34:36 PM

Can assure you that culver.. I mean dan is not lambert.

Although he did say that if this rumour doesn't come-off, "we'll go again."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:45:05 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:38:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:34:36 PM

Can assure you that culver.. I mean dan is not lambert.

Although he did say that if this rumour doesn't come-off, "we'll go again."

Remember the time 3.17pm today, forever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2013, 02:48:07 PM

I still you love you, Dan, even if everybody else thinks you're a ******.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:48:38 PM

Mmm i wonder if anyone of interest has just entered little aston hospital .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:51:30 PM

How do you say in Danish " High, my name is ..... and i am here for my medical?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 12, 2013, 02:53:52 PM

if it was Sofie Grabol saying it she could speak in any language she wanted to

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 02:55:30 PM

This thread is now completely surreal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:56:06 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 12, 2013, 02:48:07 PM

I still you love you, Dan, even if everybody else thinks you're a c***.

Love is in the air. I just fucking love everybody today. What a day off work. Marvelous. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Morten on June 12, 2013, 02:56:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:51:30 PM

How do you say in Danish " High, my name is ..... and i am here for my medical?"

"Hej, mit navn er Jores Okore, jeg skal til lægetjek" :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 02:56:59 PM

Anyway if Bent signs for Newcastle (they have offered £6m- first offer I presume) it would cause an interesting climate up in northeast!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:57:05 PM

It has gone a bit 'amdram', hasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 02:58:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 02:57:05 PM

It has gone a bit 'amdram', hasn't it?

Who's he play for and can he cover left back?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 02:58:39 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 12, 2013, 02:56:19 PM

"Hej, mit navn er Jores Okore, jeg skal til lægetjek" :-)

This is not danish. It's something written by  villa kicks!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:59:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 12, 2013, 02:56:59 PM

Anyway if Bent signs for Newcastle (they have offered £6m- first offer I presume) it would cause an interesting climate up in northeast!

Indeed , would be a good signing for them - much better than getting Carroll back for £15m .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 03:00:27 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 12, 2013, 02:56:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 02:51:30 PM

How do you say in Danish " High, my name is ..... and i am here for my medical?"

"Hej, mit navn er Jores Okore, jeg skal til lægetjek" :-)

Cheers Morten.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:01:29 PM

Surely we can squeeze more than £6m out of them for Bent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 03:02:32 PM

10 million, at least, surely ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 03:03:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:01:29 PM

Surely we can squeeze more than £6m out of them for Bent?

£8m is probably as much as we would get.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 12, 2013, 03:04:31 PM

Petrov has done his job, so did Laursen (hopefully).  So can someone keep Salifou busy with some knitting work until end of August?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 03:03:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:01:29 PM

Surely we can squeeze more than £6m out of them for Bent?

£8m is probably as much as we would get.

Given his age and scoring record, he's worth a lot more than that.  However, I guess our negotiating hand is weaker given that we clearly want shot of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2013, 03:16:14 PM

Newcastle are crying out for goals since losing Ba, and Cisse's goals dried up after his first half season. Bent would be a good signing for them. If their french contingent settle in better next season, they should push top half.
Given they're a direct competitor to us, and indeed Fulham are, we should be holding out for 8-10 mill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 03:20:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 03:03:19 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 12, 2013, 03:01:29 PM

Surely we can squeeze more than £6m out of them for Bent?

£8m is probably as much as we would get.

Given his age and scoring record, he's worth a lot more than that.  However, I guess our negotiating hand is weaker given that we clearly want shot of him.

Well, if Carroll is being valued at £15m (and that really is cut-price for a £35m striker ...) I would argue strongly that Bent is worth at least the same given his scoring record.
But, as said above, we clearly want out so a deal will be made.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 03:24:03 PM

It really is a shame abut Bent, that as the team is getting better we're getting rid of one of the best goal-poachers in the League.

That said, I completely understand why he's going and the fee that he generates, along with the wages he saves-us, allows Lambert to get-in some more Benteke/Westwood/Lowton-esque players it will be for the best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 12, 2013, 03:33:51 PM

Yeah I am sure by "getting the scoop" he hopes to be considered a "big deal" ..........wtf

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 03:54:19 PM

http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/crewe-alex-fc/crewe-alex-fc-news/2013/06/12/crewe-alex-luke-murphy-staying-put-for-now-amid-aston-villa-rumours-96135-33459168/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 04:14:52 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:05:51 PM

Totally out of the water. Tonev was offered 17k a week by both Bremen and Celtic. He will be on around 25-27k a week with us and he will earn it. Just saying like.

This is the wages bit I was referring to.  Anyway, as you were, carry on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2013, 04:14:52 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 08, 2013, 10:05:51 PM

Totally out of the water. Tonev was offered 17k a week by both Bremen and Celtic. He will be on around 25-27k a week with us and he will earn it. Just saying like.

This is the wages bit I was referring to.  Anyway, as you were, carry on.

Oh yes, i remember now. Brain still shot by reading the early hours argument. Twas what i was told.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 04:54:12 PM

I don't think anyone outside of the very inner circle will know what he is earning, or what he was offered elsewhere, and I would be amazed if he is on over 20k a week straight out the blocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 12, 2013, 04:54:13 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 12, 2013, 02:56:59 PM

Anyway if Bent signs for Newcastle (they have offered £6m- first offer I presume) it would cause an interesting climate up in northeast!

Personal terms might be a stumbling block, depending on what kind of wage cut Bent is prepared to take.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 04:56:22 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 03:54:19 PM

http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/crewe-alex-fc/crewe-alex-fc-news/2013/06/12/crewe-alex-luke-murphy-staying-put-for-now-amid-aston-villa-rumours-96135-33459168/

Staying put "for now"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 12, 2013, 05:10:33 PM

I have just been told that Murphy is staying put "for now", by sources close to someone important. I knew this 6 years ago but was sworn to secrecy.

Please treat me importantly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:17:05 PM

Quote from: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 04:56:22 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 03:54:19 PM

http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/crewe-alex-fc/crewe-alex-fc-news/2013/06/12/crewe-alex-luke-murphy-staying-put-for-now-amid-aston-villa-rumours-96135-33459168/

Staying put "for now"

which could mean for one week

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 05:23:40 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 12, 2013, 02:58:39 PM

Quote from: Morten on June 12, 2013, 02:56:19 PM

"Hej, mit navn er Jores Okore, jeg skal til lægetjek" :-)

This is not danish. It's something written by  villa kicks!

Post of the day sir

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 05:27:28 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 12, 2013, 05:10:33 PM

I have just been told that Murphy is staying put "for now", by sources close to someone important. I knew this 6 years ago but was sworn to secrecy.

Please treat me importantly.

Lovely that. All i am doing is letting HnV readers and members know what is going on as far as any new signings go, from somebody who knows.
On here we are all as important as each other, we are Villa fans. Don't want to know, block what i post, sorted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2013, 05:35:49 PM

Is Okore stretching the new kit yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 12, 2013, 05:36:36 PM

I think something will happen just after the friendly against Crewe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

That's an area that Everton are reasonably solid. Okore walks into our team, but Everton? Not sure. I still think he'd join us over them. Seems he'll have an int team mate likely coming with him, and we're a team who look potentially on the rise, whilst Everton possibly you'd argue look set for a decline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 05:53:03 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

That's an area that Everton are reasonably solid. Okore walks into our team, but Everton? Not sure. I still think he'd join us over them. Seems he'll have an int team mate likely coming with him, and we're a team who look potentially on the rise, whilst Everton possibly you'd argue look set for a decline.

Absolutely - wouldnt surprise me if we overtake everton next season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:59:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 05:53:03 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

That's an area that Everton are reasonably solid. Okore walks into our team, but Everton? Not sure. I still think he'd join us over them. Seems he'll have an int team mate likely coming with him, and we're a team who look potentially on the rise, whilst Everton possibly you'd argue look set for a decline.

Absolutely - wouldnt surprise me if we overtake everton next season .

If they lose 1-2 key players, as seems likely, then I'd be very surprised if they weren't struggling. Seems like Heitinga probably wants to leave. Baines seems destined for Utd and Fellaini probably won't hang around either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 06:00:13 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 05:53:03 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

That's an area that Everton are reasonably solid. Okore walks into our team, but Everton? Not sure. I still think he'd join us over them. Seems he'll have an int team mate likely coming with him, and we're a team who look potentially on the rise, whilst Everton possibly you'd argue look set for a decline.

Absolutely - wouldnt surprise me if we overtake everton next season .

If not next season then probably the one after. Unless Everton start buying many new players they are going to have a team full of 30 something's and declining steadily.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 12, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I see Everton's training ground has just been sold to the city council and the club are now renting it from them.  Strikes me as a pretty tight state of affairs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 06:16:50 PM

I agree I think Everton are going to have a tough couple of years ahead.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 12, 2013, 06:19:42 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 12, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 05:45:40 PM

Some twitter folk claiming Martinez is trying to make a late swoop for Okore. SSN could fill hours with "sources" loosely based on Twitter crap.

f**k off FSW slim cousin

That's an area that Everton are reasonably solid. Okore walks into our team, but Everton? Not sure. I still think he'd join us over them. Seems he'll have an int team mate likely coming with him, and we're a team who look potentially on the rise, whilst Everton possibly you'd argue look set for a decline.

They have been, but Distin is getting on and Heitinga has not convinced. Only Jagielka could be called solid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 06:20:59 PM

This is nuts. The ITK is in an open forum and should be easily traced.

In fact, I reckon I know from whom some of this is coming and they are being less judicious than they used to be with sharing it.

I get why but perhaps have backed the wrong horses on the business of being more open with it.

Ah, fuck it. That was cryptic and I don't care. Those ITK, that know what I was party to ITK and why I don't do so much ITK, who know that some pals of mine are even more ITK and trust them, they will agree.

I can't believe its not butter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on June 12, 2013, 06:21:10 PM

Any updates about Okore since the rumours this morning?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 06:23:20 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 12, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I see Everton's training ground has just been sold to the city council and the club are now renting it from them.  Strikes me as a pretty tight state of affairs.

Kenwright will be plying his trade back on the street to try and get them a few quid to spend at this rate :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on June 12, 2013, 06:23:47 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 12, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I see Everton's training ground has just been sold to the city council and the club are now renting it from them.  Strikes me as a pretty tight state of affairs.

Sale and leasebacks are nearly always done for one reason only and that is cash generation - just had their manager leave without compo yet paid out for a new one - whilst the sum was modest in premier league terms is likely still an outflow they wouldn't have budgetted and even the most optimistic must be expecting lower league finishes going forward which will reduce income further - definitely choppy waters ahead for them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2013, 06:25:18 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 06:20:59 PM

This is nuts. The ITK is in an open forum and should be easily traced.

In fact, I reckon I know from whom some of this is coming and they are being less judicious than they used to be with sharing it.

I get why but perhaps have backed the wrong horses on the business of being more open with it.

Ah, fuck it. That was cryptic and I don't care. Those ITK, that know what I was party to ITK and why I don't do so much ITK, who know that some pals of mine are even more ITK and trust them, they will agree.

I can't believe its not butter.

I didnt know that you knew that he knew chelts but keep it under your hat ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 06:26:56 PM

PS If we sign Okore can we do a song along the lines of That's Amore?

When, he, goes through your back
With a fucking great hack, THAT'S OKORE!

When he's nodding one in
Like a short Niall Quinn
THAT'S OKORE!

When he covers for Vlaar
And hits you like a car
THAT'S OKORE!.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 06:30:09 PM

Pat on the back for me. I don't believe I have made a tenuous, Vicar of Dibley and Alice, with can't believe its not butter, link before....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 06:30:35 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 06:26:56 PM

PS If we sign Okore can we do a song along the lines of That's Amore?

When, he, goes through your back
With a fucking great hack, THAT'S OKORE!

When he's nodding one in
Like a short Niall Quinn
THAT'S OKORE!

When he covers for Vlaar
And hits you like a car
THAT'S OKORE!.....

Brilliant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 06:47:57 PM

Quote from: JJ-AV on June 12, 2013, 06:21:10 PM

Any updates about Okore since the rumours this morning?

It's not a rumour mate. Danlanza says its done and I believe it's done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 12, 2013, 07:20:28 PM

He won't got to Everton, Martinez doesn't sign quality defenders

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 12, 2013, 07:34:19 PM

If dan says it's done, it's done. Dan does done deals definite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 12, 2013, 07:35:37 PM

Depending which newspaper's website you read over here, either a done deal at £4M with Okore on his way for the medical or still dotting  i's and crossing t's on the deal before we get that far.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 12, 2013, 07:37:33 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 12, 2013, 07:34:19 PM

If dan says it's done, it's done. Dan does done deals definite.

repeat as fast as you can

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on June 12, 2013, 08:05:45 PM

Who's Dan done Dunne? Done What??

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 12, 2013, 07:34:19 PM

If dan says it's done, it's done. Dan does done deals definite.

You says Dan's done Dunne?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 12, 2013, 08:06:29 PM

Blimey Dan, you've had a busy day off I see..has it been raining or something? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2013, 08:07:23 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 12, 2013, 07:35:37 PM

Depending which newspaper's website you read over here, either a done deal at £4M with Okore on his way for the medical or still dotting  i's and crossing t's on the deal before we get that far.

Either way's pretty good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TaxDodger on June 12, 2013, 08:16:56 PM

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 08:30:08 PM

It is pretty obvious that Lambert has had scouts looking pretty much everywhere in Europe for players he'd like to get in, has decided who he wants, and has started getting them in as soon as he possibly can.

I like it.

I'd imagine it wasn't until Houllier got here that Randy realised Martin was lying when he said the window opened at the end of August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2013, 08:34:05 PM

I might be a bit of a worry merchant, but if Lambert unearths another bunch of gems as he did last season, then bigger clubs might start poaching our scouts...or at least would do if the financial fair play bollocks ever gets enforced.
Hopefully not though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 08:38:22 PM

I thought the kit unveling earlier was being delayed to display him...........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:39:13 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 12, 2013, 08:45:30 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 08:30:46 AM

I am so excited about the possibility of keeping a clean sheet next season

Come again?

Clearly,I think not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on June 12, 2013, 08:40:41 PM

Is it the 31st August?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:42:55 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 02:59:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 12, 2013, 02:56:59 PM

Anyway if Bent signs for Newcastle (they have offered £6m- first offer I presume) it would cause an interesting climate up in northeast!

Indeed , would be a good signing for them - much better than getting Carroll back for £15m .

Wouldn'twanthimanywherenearthem.He'll go to Fulham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 12, 2013, 08:47:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 08:30:08 PM

It is pretty obvious that Lambert has had scouts looking pretty much everywhere in Europe for players he'd like to get in, has decided who he wants, and has started getting them in as soon as he possibly can.

I like it.

I'd imagine it wasn't until Houllier got here that Randy realised Martin was lying when he said the window opened at the end of August.

And that Premier League clubs could only buy players from British clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2013, 08:48:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 12, 2013, 08:34:05 PM

I might be a bit of a worry merchant, but if Lambert unearths another bunch of gems as he did last season, then bigger clubs might start poaching our scouts...or at least would do if the financial fair play bollocks ever gets enforced.
Hopefully not though.

Someone else could take our scouts. It shouldn't matter all that much, it's still Lambert and his immediate staff that take the final decision. I get the feeling that a number of other Premier League teams are well aware of some of these players and either decided they weren't good enough or didn't think they justified the risk. It was certainly true with Benteke i.e. Wenger saying he had watched Benteke but felt that Giroud was the one to go for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 12, 2013, 08:49:29 PM

Quote from: TaxDodger on June 12, 2013, 08:16:56 PM

That scene is just superb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 09:00:24 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 12, 2013, 06:23:20 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 12, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I see Everton's training ground has just been sold to the city council and the club are now renting it from them.  Strikes me as a pretty tight state of affairs.

Kenwright will be plying his trade back on the street to try and get them a few quid to spend at this rate :)

why?     Betty has died now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

I agree with that entirely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 09:09:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

I agree with that entirely.

I don't disagree with that entirely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 09:11:51 PM

I am also nodding and trying to look intelligent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 09:13:43 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 12, 2013, 08:06:29 PM

Blimey Dan, you've had a busy day off I see..has it been raining or something? ;)

Sunny but very windy pal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 12, 2013, 09:19:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 12, 2013, 09:13:43 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 12, 2013, 08:06:29 PM

Blimey Dan, you've had a busy day off I see..has it been raining or something? ;)

Sunny but very windy pal.

Who is next on the list?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 09:20:01 PM

joins in ten days

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/407079/Aston-Villa-confirm-Danish-striker-Nicklas-Helenius-will-join-the-club-in-ten-days?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-football-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 12, 2013, 09:24:21 PM

#ITK

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 12, 2013, 09:33:10 PM

Okore currently playing pool in the bar of the Campanile. Somebody just twitted me on that Facebooks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 12, 2013, 09:38:29 PM

The Campanile is a nice little hotel, not over the top, generous breakfasts, SSN beamed in while you eat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 12, 2013, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 12, 2013, 09:33:10 PM

Okore currently playing pool in the bar of the Campanile. Somebody just twitted me on that Facebooks

London?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hartman_1982 on June 12, 2013, 09:41:46 PM

Next up... Leandro Bacuna

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 09:43:43 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 09:11:51 PM

I am also nodding and trying to look intelligent.

Is that a  bit like Charlotte Hawkins does?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 12, 2013, 09:44:12 PM

I am shit on technology. However, every time Dan or Eastie knock an "In the now2 or, more particularly, Villa Kicks delights us with more humour, all I think, is this. (apologies for the long link, feel free to fix it):

[ Invalid YouTube link ]

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 12, 2013, 09:52:01 PM

Bid accepted for Leandro Bacuna according to Dutch press.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 12, 2013, 09:52:38 PM

I understand* we've had a bid for 20-yr old Ajax winger Viktor Fischer accepted.


*Obviously a massive ITK bullshit rumour as he rejected Chelsea in May

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 12, 2013, 09:56:19 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 12, 2013, 09:52:38 PM

I understand* we've had a bid for 20-yr old Ajax winger Viktor Fischer accepted.


*Obviously a massive ITK bullshit rumour as he rejected Chelsea in May

cool

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 09:57:56 PM

And the next player I had never heard of.... that would be 4 in 4. And 3 forwards.

No secret how Lambert approaches football is there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 12, 2013, 09:58:51 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 12, 2013, 09:52:01 PM

Bid accepted for Leandro Bacuna according to Dutch press.

The Lion King was a crap film. Bored the nipples off me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 10:02:43 PM

Always rated Leandro Bacuna, ever since just now when I looked him up on Wikipedia. And the other one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 10:04:21 PM

2 wingers and a 6"5 striker coming in... wonder what plan B is going to be!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 12, 2013, 10:04:42 PM

Gotta love wikipedia, Leandro Bacuna is already a Villa player according to them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nodge on June 12, 2013, 10:08:04 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 12, 2013, 09:58:51 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 12, 2013, 09:52:01 PM

Bid accepted for Leandro Bacuna according to Dutch press.

The Lion King was a crap film. Bored the nipples off me.

Shame we can't get Mata too.  We could have Bacuna and Mata. No worries for the rest of our days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:08:21 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 12, 2013, 09:38:29 PM

The Campanile is a nice little hotel, not over the top, generous breakfasts, SSN beamed in while you eat.

eastie stays there every night ;)        just for SSN

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 12, 2013, 10:09:23 PM

Okore is the one that is intriguing me, is it as nailed on as some are saying?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 10:11:18 PM

Leandro Bac-who-na?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 12, 2013, 10:14:51 PM

Getting 2 wingers in will allow us to use Weimann and/or Gabby in a central role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 12, 2013, 10:15:11 PM

F in hell it's raining players now!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 12, 2013, 10:20:30 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 12, 2013, 10:11:18 PM

Leandro Bac-who-na?

Lee Bacon

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 12, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

This is the best transfer window ever.  The wife has already asked when the transfer window is shutting so I can talk to her again. August 31st of course!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 12, 2013, 10:27:24 PM

Not used to Villa getting players in early before pre-season training starts.

I know that not all of these supposedly linked players will be joining us, but it' good to see that the club is so actively involved in trying to get them in early.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 12, 2013, 10:31:44 PM

ITSOTP or at BMH.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 12, 2013, 10:36:15 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

I agree with that entirely.

I don't.

The template, the ethos and the belief is in place. The new and expected signings all have some experience behind them, and they haven't got to come straight into a side still recoiling from McLeishism.

We're gonna tear shit up next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 12, 2013, 10:39:08 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 12, 2013, 07:20:28 PM

He won't got to Everton, Martinez doesn't sign quality defenders

Too right.  Keep your fingers cross this happens.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfers-antolin-alcaraz-set-1946244

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 12, 2013, 10:45:03 PM

It's only been a few weeks since the football has finished but I'm really enjoying this years transfer watch. Beats the days we had to wait until August 29th under MON for the sniff of a new player arriving.

Personally I don't care where a player comes from and if he costs 10 pence, I have the full faith in Lambo and his scouting team as he unearthed some gems last season and I think he's doing it again.

Even Gobbie Savage might not have us to go down next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 10:53:39 PM

Been out all day...did we sign okore today? Is he actually in the country yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bilsim on June 12, 2013, 10:57:44 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 12, 2013, 10:36:15 PM

The template, the ethos and the belief is in place. The new and expected signings all have some experience behind them, and they haven't got to come straight into a side still recoiling from McLeishism.

We're gonna tear shit up next year.

I'm in this camp. Evolution not revolution. The Lambert philosophy is based on the development of youth and that's what we're doing. No good looking for mercenaries and older players. Truly, we will tear shit up next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 12, 2013, 10:58:34 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 12, 2013, 10:53:39 PM

Been out all day...did we sign okore today? Is he actually in the country yet?

he's playing pool in the camponile

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2013, 11:04:04 PM

Quote from: john e on June 12, 2013, 10:58:34 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 12, 2013, 10:53:39 PM

Been out all day...did we sign okore today? Is he actually in the country yet?

he's playing pool in the camponile

Drinking wine in the Moulin Rouge
Sipping coffee in Berlin
He might take in the coloured lights
In the city they call Sin
He can see the writing on the wall
Ten feet tall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 11:04:05 PM

No idea where that is. A quick google search sent me to campanile Birmingham which is somewhere on the canal. And looks pretty nasty on the old trip advisor.

That's a welcome and a half to Birmingham if true and I've got the right place. Is someone on a wind up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 12, 2013, 11:06:40 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 12, 2013, 11:04:05 PM

No idea where that is. A quick google search sent me to campanile Birmingham which is somewhere on the canal. And looks pretty nasty on the old trip advisor.

That's a welcome and a half to Birmingham if true and I've got the right place. Is someone on a wind up?

no, pete a couple of pages back got his info from twitter, so its as good as fact

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 12, 2013, 11:06:40 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 12, 2013, 11:04:05 PM

No idea where that is. A quick google search sent me to campanile Birmingham which is somewhere on the canal. And looks pretty nasty on the old trip advisor.

That's a welcome and a half to Birmingham if true and I've got the right place. Is someone on a wind up?

They're winding you up. He's in the Campanile on McDonald's island.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 11:08:18 PM

Even better... Much classier place!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 12, 2013, 11:10:47 PM

I have it on good authority that he's arm wrestling ruffians in the Anvil in Sutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2013, 11:20:42 PM

To think when our pre-season friendlies were announced some were asking who would be playing with such a small squad. If these rumours start coming off, I don't think our small squad size will be an issue for very long.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2013, 11:25:27 PM

Has Bacuna been playing in the U21 tournament?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 12, 2013, 11:26:47 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 12, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

This is the best transfer window ever.  The wife has already asked when the transfer window is shutting so I can talk to her again. August 31st of course!

just gets better as it September 2  as 31 falls on a sat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on June 12, 2013, 11:27:13 PM

Due to forgetting to book my normal hotel, I had to spend last night in the Camponile at Milton Keynes. What a shit hole. Plus it was opposite a place called Pink Punters, so I gave that a miss.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 12, 2013, 11:27:43 PM

Okore is on his way............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2340472/Aston-Villa-4m-bid-Jores-Okore-accepted-close-Nicklas-Helenius.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 11:31:10 PM

I've stayed in loads of Campaniles while driving across France, and they're perfectly OK.

There is something about the concept being moved to the UK that makes it much worse, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 12, 2013, 11:32:23 PM

Quote from: john e on June 12, 2013, 11:06:40 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 12, 2013, 11:04:05 PM

No idea where that is. A quick google search sent me to campanile Birmingham which is somewhere on the canal. And looks pretty nasty on the old trip advisor.

That's a welcome and a half to Birmingham if true and I've got the right place. Is someone on a wind up?

no, pete a couple of pages back got his info from twitter, so its as good as fact

Now 100% confirmed.

That I've never been on Twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 12, 2013, 11:42:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 12, 2013, 11:10:47 PM

I have it on good authority that he's arm wrestling ruffians in the Anvil in Sutton.

Now we're talking. Nothing like an introduction to the flodge on your tour around Birmingham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2013, 11:52:18 PM

Have watched a bit of Bacuna on youtube and I'm noticing a pattern.  All the players we've been linked with this summer look very comfortable with their technique, all happy taking a pass when marked and moving it on, all confident enough to back themselves.  If you look at Lowton, Benteke and Westwood they all have that same self-belief in their ability to control the ball.  Most players that you see like this are the ones who you also hear lots of stories about them staying late for extra training and always giving 100%.

This has been the lynchpin of German football for a very long time and is a clear indication of the Dortmund influence on Lambert.

I think we can add technical to the description of our targets (along with young and hungry).

This is a route I've thought Villa should follow for a long time as we seem to produce youngsters like this quite well but we've not really made the most of them in the past.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2013, 12:01:04 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2013, 11:52:18 PM

Have watched a bit of Bacuna on youtube and I'm noticing a pattern.  All the players we've been linked with this summer look very comfortable with their technique, all happy taking a pass when marked and moving it on, all confident enough to back themselves.  If you look at Lowton, Benteke and Westwood they all have that same self-belief in their ability to control the ball.  Most players that you see like this are the ones who you also hear lots of stories about them staying late for extra training and always giving 100%.

This has been the lynchpin of German football for a very long time and is a clear indication of the Dortmund influence on Lambert.

I think we can add technical to the description of our targets (along with young and hungry).

This is a route I've thought Villa should follow for a long time as we seem to produce youngsters like this quite well but we've not really made the most of them in the past.

Agreed Paul.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2013, 12:14:21 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

I agree with that entirely.

I don't. "Experience in the right areas" this time last season would have been Fletcher instead of Benteke. Given instead of Guzan. N'Zogbia instead of Weimann.

I'm quite happy for Lambert to bring in a 20 year old instead of a 30 year old, as the signings that he's brought in so far seem to suggest that experience isn't really a substitute for competence. If we can get someone who is "experienced" AND is happy to accept sensible wages AND has a sensible transfer fee AND is happy to play for a team that finished in the bottom half AND is actually going to be a really good player then I'm quite happy. But until this mythical beast appears, I'm not going to complain too about the interesting players that we are bringing in.

Peter says that there's "no guarantee that we'll click". Of course there isn't. Nor would there be if we spent stupid amounts of money on players who just so happened to have played a couple of extra seasons in the Premier League. When they first came in, Sidwell was experienced and Young wasn't. Harewood was and Gabby wasn't. Knight was and Mellberg wasn't.

So while neither of them is a guarantee I'm happy to take Okore over Lescott and Helenius over whichever "experienced" player we would have bought from the Premier League before the current regime was in place.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2013, 11:52:18 PM

Have watched a bit of Bacuna on youtube and I'm noticing a pattern.  All the players we've been linked with this summer look very comfortable with their technique, all happy taking a pass when marked and moving it on, all confident enough to back themselves.  If you look at Lowton, Benteke and Westwood they all have that same self-belief in their ability to control the ball.  Most players that you see like this are the ones who you also hear lots of stories about them staying late for extra training and always giving 100%.

This has been the lynchpin of German football for a very long time and is a clear indication of the Dortmund influence on Lambert.

I think we can add technical to the description of our targets (along with young and hungry).

This is a route I've thought Villa should follow for a long time as we seem to produce youngsters like this quite well but we've not really made the most of them in the past.

Arsenal have built their past 17 years of success on the inspired decision to appoint a manager who was versed in the ways of the nation that was about to become dominant in world football. Maybe history is repeating itself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 12:20:33 AM

Quote from: Dave on June 13, 2013, 12:14:21 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2013, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2013, 08:54:41 PM

A word of caution, though that these players are still untried and untested. Good prospects definitely and itsgreat work of the club to be looking at transfers straight away. We're not resting on laurels and going on our holibobs. But, if we want to avoid a repeat of the last few seasons then we need more steel, more strength, and more experience in the team. We finished the season brilliantlybut there's no guarantee we'll click at the start of the new season. adisappointing run could hit confidence. The team needs experience in the rightareas. especially the back and probably midfield. That is thetrick for this summer.

I agree with that entirely.

I don't. "Experience in the right areas" this time last season would have been Fletcher instead of Benteke. Given instead of Guzan. N'Zogbia instead of Weimann.

I'm quite happy for Lambert to bring in a 20 year old instead of a 30 year old, as the signings that he's brought in so far seem to suggest that experience isn't really a substitute for competence. If we can get someone who is "experienced" AND is happy to accept sensible wages AND has a sensible transfer fee AND is happy to play for a team that finished in the bottom half AND is actually going to be a really good player then I'm quite happy. But until this mythical beast appears, I'm not going to complain too about the interesting players that we are bringing in.

Peter says that there's "no guarantee that we'll click". Of course there isn't. Nor would there be if we spent stupid amounts of money on players who just so happened to have played a couple of extra seasons in the Premier League. When they first came in, Sidwell was experienced and Young wasn't. Harewood was and Gabby wasn't. Knight was and Mellberg wasn't.

So while neither of them is a guarantee I'm happy to take Okore over Lescott and Helenius over whichever "experienced" player we would have bought from the Premier League before the current regime was in place.

I agree with this entirely. Put much better than i could too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 12:23:03 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 12, 2013, 11:52:18 PM

Have watched a bit of Bacuna on youtube and I'm noticing a pattern.  All the players we've been linked with this summer look very comfortable with their technique, all happy taking a pass when marked and moving it on, all confident enough to back themselves.  If you look at Lowton, Benteke and Westwood they all have that same self-belief in their ability to control the ball.  Most players that you see like this are the ones who you also hear lots of stories about them staying late for extra training and always giving 100%.

This has been the lynchpin of German football for a very long time and is a clear indication of the Dortmund influence on Lambert.

I think we can add technical to the description of our targets (along with young and hungry).

This is a route I've thought Villa should follow for a long time as we seem to produce youngsters like this quite well but we've not really made the most of them in the past.

Arsenal have built their past 17 years of success on the inspired decision to appoint a manager who was versed in the ways of the nation that was about to become dominant in world football. Maybe history is repeating itself.

Two of the best posts I have read in a long time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 13, 2013, 12:30:17 AM

Not the best translation in the world, but from www.tv2.dk:

In the winter he said no to big club Chelsea, but now it seems that FC Nordsjælland player Jores Okore yet come to the Premier League.

According politiken.dk, the Danish footballer to Birmingham to undergo a medical examination before he puts his signature on a contract.
Read also: Okore criticizes Olsen's tactics: Paranoid and naive
FC Zealand and Aston Villa, according to the newspaper agreed sale price of Jores Okore, which has a contract with the Danish vice champions until the end of 2016.
The deal, according politiken.dk the largest in FC North Zealand's history, and it should bring the club more than 20 million.
Read also: Toft whip: Dumpty marks for tire Danes
If the change goes through, will Jores Okore may club mate with AaB striker Nicklas Helenius.
The North Jutland club announced Tuesday that it is negotiating with Aston Villa on the 22-year-old striker, who Premier League club wish to associate.
Aston Villa finished this past season ranked number 15 in the Best British series.

The connected story from www.politiken.dk:

Jores Okore said in winter no thanks to an offer from Chelsea because he could foresee that in the first year were unlikely to get much playing time on the London team. He will however have to Aston Villa.

The 20-year-old FC Zealand defender should, learn politiken.dk, be ready this week to sign with the Birmingham club, which reached number 15 in the Premier League after fighting a long time to avoid relegation.

It overlooks the largest trade in FC North Zealand history. As Andreas Bjelland - as Jores Okore replaced on the World Cup team after the break in the match against Armenia - was sold to Twente got Farum club just over 20 million dollars for him.

READ ALSO Transfer Rumors: Agger and Okore is on the block in France and England

FCN and Aston Villa have to agree on the selling price, and now travels Jores Okore to a medical examination in Birmingham before he puts his name on a nice contract. It is believed that Aston Villa should give something more for the talented defender, who in the park last night played his A soccer match number six, than the Dutch club did Bjelland.

Jores Okore has a contract with FC Zealand for three years. But it has long been clear that it was only a matter of time before he would leave the Premier League and Farum. Many big foreign clubs have followed him this season, where he in autumn showed its format, impressive physical strength and brilliant setting, since FC Zealand debut on the biggest stage of the Champions League group stage.

READ ALSO Jores Okore has no price cap in FC Zealand

His spring season may not have been as flashy, but he is a defensive talent out of the ordinary. He has a couple of seasons has been dominant in the domestic tournament, and he could probably be a hit for Aston Villa in England. He fits perfectly on top football over there, most people agree on.

In Birmingham is Jores Okore, by all accounts, teammate AaB-top scorer Nicklas Helenius is also expected to sign a contract with Aston Villa within the next few days.

I am so bloody excited by all this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on June 13, 2013, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Needs to work on his positional discipline then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 01:19:23 AM

He looked a winger on the youtube clips I saw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 01:27:49 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Any more deets? Age, club, nationality, fee etc?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 13, 2013, 01:29:25 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 01:27:49 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Any more deets? Age, club, nationality, fee etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Bacuna

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 01:29:40 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 01:27:49 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Any more deets? Age, club, nationality, fee etc?

Deets?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 01:37:11 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 01:29:40 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 01:27:49 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

Any more deets? Age, club, nationality, fee etc?

Deets?

Sorry, details.

I'm with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 01:38:32 AM

Dear Lord. I'm glad I'm a square.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on June 13, 2013, 01:40:22 AM

Yes, all us hip cats say 'deets' get down with the programme daddios

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2013, 01:53:06 AM

I must fairly openly admit that I've never heard of the three players we're supposedly close to deals on and indeed vast majority of players Lambert has signed. I like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on June 13, 2013, 01:55:59 AM

I'm that out of the loop if I was in charge of villas finances I'd sign players from Melchester Rovers for 20m, I've not heard of any of the buggers on his thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on June 13, 2013, 04:39:50 AM

We had the youngest team in the prem last season and at this rate it will be even lower next season what with the
departure of some very highly paid non contributors we may also end up with the lowest wages. If the two Vikings join thats three players in already, and some said early on that he was just like MON. not bloody likely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 06:19:44 AM

Has Deets had his medical yet? He sounds a cracking player

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 07:04:02 AM

By Darren Lewis

Fulham are set to rival Newcastle's interest in Darren Bent.

Cottagers boss Martin Jol is keen to boost the west London club's firepower and is ready to move for England striker Bent, who he previously signed for Spurs in 2007.

Bent is understood to be willing to take a pay cut from his £70,000-a-week wages to revive his career after being frozen out at Villa under first-year boss Paul Lambert.

Villa want £6m for a player they signed from Sunderland for £18m in 2011, and are ready to listen to offers now that Denmark forward Nicklas Helenius is poised to join them from Aalborg.

The Villans are aiming to close out the Helenius deal for an initial £1.2m, potentially rising to £2m, by the middle of next week.

“I hope that AaB will show enough co-operation and not demand too much money for me,” said Helenius, 22. “The market is not ready for big transfers at the moment.

“I have already secured the club a lot of money through my goals, and I am on my first professional contract. So I am not making an awful lot of money.”

And Villa chief Paul Lambert hopes to make it a Danish double as Denmark defender Jores Okore is to jet in for talks over a £4m move.

FC Nordsjaelland star Okore, who is licking his wounds after the national team's 4-0 drubbing by Armenia in a midweek World Cup qualifier, is to join Villa, subject to a medical and agreeing personal terms.

 

Signing the 20-year-old, who was linked with Manchester United in January’s transfer window, would be a coup for Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 07:09:36 AM

It could be another year or so before Lambert can finally get rid of all the crap he was left with, getting 2 more youngsters in is really promising though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 07:35:12 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 07:09:36 AM

It could be another year or so before Lambert can finally get rid of all the crap he was left with, getting 2 more youngsters in is really promising though.

I think Ireland will be the one we will struggle to get rid of , should be able to farm hutton out somewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 07:58:32 AM

I would imagine Bent / Holman / NZogbia / Bannan will be sold

Given / Hutton - will go on loans

Ireland - if rumours are correct they will agree a pay off for him.

It makes you realise how much rubbish we actually have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 08:00:54 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 07:35:12 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 07:09:36 AM

It could be another year or so before Lambert can finally get rid of all the crap he was left with, getting 2 more youngsters in is really promising though.

I think Ireland will be the one we will struggle to get rid of , should be able to farm hutton out somewhere.

You're proabably right, hopefully one of the promoted teams will take a gamble on him. I see he only has a year left on his contract whereas Hutton has 2. Shay Given still has 3 years left, can't see who's going to take him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 08:03:02 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 08:00:54 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 07:35:12 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 07:09:36 AM

It could be another year or so before Lambert can finally get rid of all the crap he was left with, getting 2 more youngsters in is really promising though.

I think Ireland will be the one we will struggle to get rid of , should be able to farm hutton out somewhere.

You're proabably right, hopefully one of the promoted teams will take a gamble on him. I see he only has a year left on his contract whereas Hutton has 2. Shay Given still has 3 years left, can't see who's going to take him.

Given is still a decent option for someone , his wage might need cutting but i think he will get interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 08:09:06 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 07:58:32 AM

I would imagine Bent / Holman / NZogbia / Bannan will be sold

Given / Hutton - will go on loans

Ireland - if rumours are correct they will agree a pay off for him.

It makes you realise how much rubbish we actually have.

Think he'll keep Nzogbia and I'd imagine a few Dutch clubs would be interested in Holman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 08:31:19 AM

There isn't really much 'rubbish' in the villa squad. Most of the players we don't need would do a job for somebody.

Though you'd have to be an egomaniac or a head case to think you'd get the best out of Ireland. Maybe Hughes at Stoke could be persuaded to take him. Or Holloway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 08:36:10 AM

I read somewhere that Hutton only had a year left on his contract.....Hutton has asked the club for a free transfer, if we can do that without paying him off then let him go.

As with all transfers a player is only worth the amount that another club will pay for him. We will have to take massive losses on most of the players that leave our club this summer.

The trouble we face is that other clubs are hardly beating our door down for our out of favour players, they know we are despearate to get rid, so why should they pay top prices for our cast offs.

Harsh lessons have been learnt by our owner over the last few seasons. Lets hope that we never get in this situation again!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 09:05:14 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 08:36:10 AM

I read somewhere that Hutton only had a year left on his contract.....Hutton has asked the club for a free transfer, if we can do that without paying him off then let him go.

As with all transfers a player is only worth the amount that another club will pay for him. We will have to take massive losses on most of the players that leave our club this summer.

The trouble we face is that other clubs are hardly beating our door down for our out of favour players, they know we are despearate to get rid, so why should they pay top prices for our cast offs.

Harsh lessons have been learnt by our owner over the last few seasons. Lets hope that we never get in this situation again!

Having just looked at  the number of players released by P'ships teams in the last couple of weeks, there's lots of competition for the unwanteds we have. Many clubs have had a 'deep clean' of older / highly-paid players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:08:12 AM

And we are doing fine in that department. Young, quality players coming our way. Good stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on June 13, 2013, 09:31:56 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 12:53:17 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 12, 2013, 10:11:09 PM

how many wingers do we need ?

 Leandro Bacuna has been described as a winger, right back or midfielder, depending where you look.

And shown as being 6' 1 1/2" tall, so together with Helenius at 6' 5" and Okore at 6', looks as if PL is bringing a bit of physical size into the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:32:52 AM

Not heard this bacuna rumour - where did it come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:34:18 AM

Nothing to do with me, not this one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 13, 2013, 09:34:52 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 07:58:32 AM

I would imagine Bent / Holman / NZogbia / Bannan will be sold

Given / Hutton - will go on loans

Ireland - if rumours are correct they will agree a pay off for him.

It makes you realise how much rubbish we actually have.

Bit harsh to call Bent rubbish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:39:04 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

Indeed, worth a bet on him scoring too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 13, 2013, 09:41:07 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:32:52 AM

Not heard this bacuna rumour - where did it come from?

Maybe it's Bakula? Good at leaping for balls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 13, 2013, 09:45:24 AM

Apparently Everton have tried to gazump us on Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 09:47:33 AM

With all these foreign players, are we seeing the silent work Karsa does in action?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:51:55 AM

Quote from: not3bad on June 13, 2013, 09:45:24 AM

Apparently Everton have tried to gazump us on Okore.

No chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 09:54:01 AM

I don't think it's right to say Bent, Given, Nzogbia are rubbish. But, we are most likely paying them too much for the roles they are playing at the club i.e. back up. For both the club and the players, it is best if they move on. I think Hutton will have a few suitors and a deal can be done to everyone's satisfaction.

Ireland is the problem one. On big money, he has had enough chances and I don't think there will be a stampede to get him. Having said that, there might be someone like Bruce or Holloway, who think they have the man management skills to 'revive' his career. But only if it makes financial sense. How many years are left on his contract?

I also saw a rumour this morning of Bannan to Palace. Holloway had him on loan with Blackpool the season they got promoted, so makes sense and is probably best for all involved. Although, it would copper fasten Palace as favourites to go down, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on June 13, 2013, 09:54:40 AM

Bacuna matata. What a wonderful phrase.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2013, 09:55:19 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on June 13, 2013, 09:54:40 AM

Bacuna matata. What a wonderful phrase.....

we should sing that even if we dont sign him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 09:58:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

top ten more like.....West Ham are challenging for Europe so my Wet Sham supporting neighbours have told me...lol

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:59:43 AM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4966470/Jores-Okore-set-to-seal-4million-Aston-Villa-transfer.html
Tuesday it is then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:00:57 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 09:58:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

top ten more like.....West Ham are challenging for Europe so my Wet Sham supporting neighbours have told me...lol

Arcane football will only take you so far and for so long.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:03:07 AM

Encouraging words from a gunner-

He is a brilliant talent, i wish arsenal would have signed him.
4 mill is a bargain i guarantee he is worth at least 3x this in the next few years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:09:15 AM

Bacuna seems more of a midfielder according to this-



Bacuna currently plays for FC Gronigen in the Dutch Eredivisie, after coming through the youth system there. The 21 year old broke into the first team two years ago but has really come into prominence this season, where he has hit 5 goals in 29 games.

The under 21 Dutch international is a box to box midfielder and Reading scouts have already traveled to Holland to take a closer look at him. Bacuna's agent confirmed the Premier League club's interest in him, yet FC Gronigen's managing director was quick to deny that the club has received any formal offers for their hot prospect.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 10:12:56 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:00:57 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 09:58:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

top ten more like.....West Ham are challenging for Europe so my Wet Sham supporting neighbours have told me...lol

Arcane football will only take you so far and for so long.

Each way would be 250/1 for top 4 so not such bad odds. Maybe it's just the hope returning which means I can't get my hat on at the moment!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 10:15:17 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 10:12:56 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:00:57 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 09:58:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

top ten more like.....West Ham are challenging for Europe so my Wet Sham supporting neighbours have told me...lol

Arcane football will only take you so far and for so long.

Each way would be 250/1 for top 4 so not such bad odds. Maybe it's just the hope returning which means I can't get my hat on at the moment!

I am definately going to have a tenner on us finishing top six. C'mon Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 10:15:33 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 10:12:56 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:00:57 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 09:58:01 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 09:51:10 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I think so too. For me, this will be like an early 90s season, wide open.

Crikey things are looking up but an each way bet for the title ?

I'd be happy with top 8 and build on from there.

top ten more like.....West Ham are challenging for Europe so my Wet Sham supporting neighbours have told me...lol

Arcane football will only take you so far and for so long.

Each way would be 250/1 for top 4 so not such bad odds. Maybe it's just the hope returning which means I can't get my hat on at the moment!

Pretty sure most bookies will only pay out to second. Otherwise Arsenal at 12/1 for the league would be 3/1 for top 4.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 13, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 09:54:01 AM

I don't think it's right to say Bent, Given, Nzogbia are rubbish. But, we are most likely paying them too much for the roles they are playing at the club i.e. back up. For both the club and the players, it is best if they move on. I think Hutton will have a few suitors and a deal can be done to everyone's satisfaction.

Ireland is the problem one. On big money, he has had enough chances and I don't think there will be a stampede to get him. Having said that, there might be someone like Bruce or Holloway, who think they have the man management skills to 'revive' his career. But only if it makes financial sense. How many years are left on his contract?

I also saw a rumour this morning of Bannan to Palace. Holloway had him on loan with Blackpool the season they got promoted, so makes sense and is probably best for all involved. Although, it would copper fasten Palace as favourites to go down, in my opinion.

Silly question, but are Ireland's wages that high? He was on silly money at Citeh, but didn't they agree to pay part of his wages? I guess that would have been a lump sum when he left Citeh? He might *only* be on 40/45k a week from us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:19:01 AM

Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. Top half yes, but lets wait and see.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:20:04 AM

Quote from: TimbertVilla on June 13, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 09:54:01 AM

I don't think it's right to say Bent, Given, Nzogbia are rubbish. But, we are most likely paying them too much for the roles they are playing at the club i.e. back up. For both the club and the players, it is best if they move on. I think Hutton will have a few suitors and a deal can be done to everyone's satisfaction.

Ireland is the problem one. On big money, he has had enough chances and I don't think there will be a stampede to get him. Having said that, there might be someone like Bruce or Holloway, who think they have the man management skills to 'revive' his career. But only if it makes financial sense. How many years are left on his contract?

I also saw a rumour this morning of Bannan to Palace. Holloway had him on loan with Blackpool the season they got promoted, so makes sense and is probably best for all involved. Although, it would copper fasten Palace as favourites to go down, in my opinion.

Silly question, but are Ireland's wages that high? He was on silly money at Citeh, but didn't they agree to pay part of his wages? I guess that would have been a lump sum when he left Citeh? He might *only* be on 40/45k a week from us.

I'd guess more like 60k/ 70k ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 10:24:07 AM

It's great that we're trying to sign players whose value will only increase.

But we have to remember the flip side of that: as their value increases they will become interesting to other clubs.

I'd sooner have it that way than be stuck with a load of 'seasoned professionals' who are only going to get older and slower, and whose value is only going to go down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2013, 10:25:35 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:19:01 AM

Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. Top half yes, but lets wait and see.

I am at the town hall, too soon ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 10:29:33 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:20:04 AM

Quote from: TimbertVilla on June 13, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 09:54:01 AM

I don't think it's right to say Bent, Given, Nzogbia are rubbish. But, we are most likely paying them too much for the roles they are playing at the club i.e. back up. For both the club and the players, it is best if they move on. I think Hutton will have a few suitors and a deal can be done to everyone's satisfaction.

Ireland is the problem one. On big money, he has had enough chances and I don't think there will be a stampede to get him. Having said that, there might be someone like Bruce or Holloway, who think they have the man management skills to 'revive' his career. But only if it makes financial sense. How many years are left on his contract?

I also saw a rumour this morning of Bannan to Palace. Holloway had him on loan with Blackpool the season they got promoted, so makes sense and is probably best for all involved. Although, it would copper fasten Palace as favourites to go down, in my opinion.

Silly question, but are Ireland's wages that high? He was on silly money at Citeh, but didn't they agree to pay part of his wages? I guess that would have been a lump sum when he left Citeh? He might *only* be on 40/45k a week from us.

I'd guess more like 60k/ 70k ?

I'm pretty sure it's £60k a week.  At the time he was signed the story was he accepted the wages we were paying Milner, obviously with a pay off for the difference from Man City.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 10:31:45 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:20:04 AM

Quote from: TimbertVilla on June 13, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 09:54:01 AM

I don't think it's right to say Bent, Given, Nzogbia are rubbish. But, we are most likely paying them too much for the roles they are playing at the club i.e. back up. For both the club and the players, it is best if they move on. I think Hutton will have a few suitors and a deal can be done to everyone's satisfaction.

Ireland is the problem one. On big money, he has had enough chances and I don't think there will be a stampede to get him. Having said that, there might be someone like Bruce or Holloway, who think they have the man management skills to 'revive' his career. But only if it makes financial sense. How many years are left on his contract?

I also saw a rumour this morning of Bannan to Palace. Holloway had him on loan with Blackpool the season they got promoted, so makes sense and is probably best for all involved. Although, it would copper fasten Palace as favourites to go down, in my opinion.

Silly question, but are Ireland's wages that high? He was on silly money at Citeh, but didn't they agree to pay part of his wages? I guess that would have been a lump sum when he left Citeh? He might *only* be on 40/45k a week from us.

I'd guess more like 60k/ 70k ?

I recall it being reported in the press that he is on £85k a week at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 10:33:02 AM

Okore seems to be very highly rated. Bring it on!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 10:40:19 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I like a bit each way as well!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 10:40:19 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I like a bit each way as well!

Nice when you can get it;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 10:44:32 AM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 10:40:19 AM

Quote from: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:44:43 AM

Too right Eastie.  Speaking of bets, are we still 1000/1 for the title? I saw that a couple of weeks ago in Hills and may have a bit each way. I know I am getting carried away but teams will be beating each other this year me thinks.

I like a bit each way as well!

Nice when you can get it;-)

Goodness gracious me :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

On twitter, people are saying a press conference at 1.30 to announce Okore and Helenius.

Fingers crossed its true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 13, 2013, 10:47:23 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 10:19:01 AM

Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. Top half yes, but lets wait and see.

"Do you wanna bet against us?!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2013, 10:53:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 12, 2013, 06:16:50 PM

I agree I think Everton are going to have a tough couple of years ahead.

Since martinez went there all I've seen is there players linked away..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 10:58:12 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

On twitter, people are saying a press conference at 1.30 to announce Okore and Helenius.

Fingers crossed its true.

Helenius' agent has said he'll be arriving next week for talks, so I very much doubt that.

Okore does look a strong possibility, but I think we're just guessing about how close he is to signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2013, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

yes  21 goals in 54 games is a bargain at 6 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 11:42:36 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2013, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

yes  21 goals in 54 games is a bargain at 6 million.

I would have thought he would prefer a move to London and can see Fulham being a good fit for him really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:46:01 AM

For the sort of money people are talking about for Bent, someone is going to get a bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:47:43 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

On twitter, people are saying a press conference at 1.30 to announce Okore and Helenius.

Fingers crossed its true.

It won't be. We didn't do a press conference for Tonev, and these two are signings of about the same financial level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:51:06 AM

Daniel Johnson has signed a new contract which is good news.

Quote

Daniel Johnson expressed his delight at being able to "concentrate on coming back to training in pre-season and kicking on" after signing a new two-year contract with the Club.

Midfielder Johnson said: "I'm really happy to have signed the new contract. These are exciting times at the Club at the moment, you can see where the manager wants to go with it and what he's trying to do and it's really good.

"I'm really looking forward to coming back into training and I'm hoping that this year can be even better for me and for the team."

Johnson also identified the success of Academy graduates such as Andreas Weimann, Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker as a particular motivation.

"Having guys like Andi, Ciaran and Nathan get into the first team is definitely an inspiration because they've been in the position I'm in," he added.

"They kicked on and they got into the team and look at them now, they're Premier League players. That's obviously where I want to be."

Jamaican-born Johnson has been included in the match-day squad for Villa on several occasions, though he is yet to make his full debut.

He experienced first-team football last season when out on loan with eventual League One Play-Off winners Yeovil Town, making five appearances for the Glovers.

The 20-year-old has been with the Academy since 2010, captaining the Academy side at both under-18 and under-19 levels.

He was an ever-present in the 2011-12 NextGen side's run to the quarter-finals, scoring three goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 11:51:25 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:47:43 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

On twitter, people are saying a press conference at 1.30 to announce Okore and Helenius.

Fingers crossed its true.

It won't be. We didn't do a press conference for Tonev, and these two are signings of about the same financial level.

Mabe we were saving it for a rainy day...3 for the price of, well, 3.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 13, 2013, 11:51:48 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2013, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

yes  21 goals in 54 games is a bargain at 6 million.

I'd hope that we add a fair few clauses into the sale whereby we get more cash based on his performances.  As a result I'd imagine the initial fee is quite low but with the potential to rise to £10m-ish. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:54:23 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 11:51:25 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:47:43 AM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

On twitter, people are saying a press conference at 1.30 to announce Okore and Helenius.

Fingers crossed its true.

It won't be. We didn't do a press conference for Tonev, and these two are signings of about the same financial level.

Mabe we were saving it for a rainy day...3 for the price of, well, 3.

Ha ha, fair point. Or three for the price of one (in the past!)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 11:55:36 AM

If there is a press conference at 1-30 nobody has told kendrick so i think we can rule it out as gossip.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nick harper on June 13, 2013, 11:59:51 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 13, 2013, 11:51:48 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2013, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

yes  21 goals in 54 games is a bargain at 6 million.

I'd hope that we add a fair few clauses into the sale whereby we get more cash based on his performances.  As a result I'd imagine the initial fee is quite low but with the potential to rise to £10m-ish. 

Its actually 25 goals in 52 starts plus 12 sub so very impressive given he's been out of the side as much as in. there will be strikers that go for a lot more than £6m who have no better than a 1 in 3 rate. Someone will get a bargain if they play to his strengths.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on June 13, 2013, 12:02:23 PM

And that final sentence is what it is all about. The team must be set up for Bent or else he is a fish out of water.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on June 13, 2013, 12:05:16 PM

It's good that it seems to be reported that Bent wasn't fancied and didn't make the starting line up enough so he's leaving.

Personally I think over the last 2 season he's had problems with injury but Shhh don't tell Newcastle or Fulham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2013, 12:07:38 PM

Quote from: nick harper on June 13, 2013, 11:59:51 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 13, 2013, 11:51:48 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 13, 2013, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 13, 2013, 09:37:05 AM

He is far from rubbish. Still a top class striker. If he goes to Newcastle or Fulham he will eager to score against us i would think.

yes  21 goals in 54 games is a bargain at 6 million.

I'd hope that we add a fair few clauses into the sale whereby we get more cash based on his performances.  As a result I'd imagine the initial fee is quite low but with the potential to rise to £10m-ish. 

Its actually 25 goals in 52 starts plus 12 sub so very impressive given he's been out of the side as much as in. there will be strikers that go for a lot more than £6m who have no better than a 1 in 3 rate. Someone will get a bargain if they play to his strengths.

I ha ve always liked Bent mainly due to his goalscoring record being so impressive - the reality is that then you watch him all game and all season you realise he really offers nothing else so it is difficult to play to his strengths when you are basically playing with 10 men as his contribution to the game is limited at best.
Its maybe no coincidence that the top 5 teams have never had a sniff at him (dont count Spurz as they will fall away any time after Chimpy goes)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 12:11:21 PM

Quote from: fredm on June 13, 2013, 12:02:23 PM

And that final sentence is what it is all about. The team must be set up for Bent or else he is a fish out of water.

Very true but at the time houllier bought him we did play to his strengths and his goals kept us up , I'm sure whoever signs him will know they will need to provide the service for him in the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 12:11:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 11:55:36 AM

If there is a press conference at 1-30 nobody has told kendrick so i think we can rule it out as gossip.

It also seems to have been announced by a parody of the OS twitter.

Look at the spelling:

@AVFCOfficail

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 12:14:54 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 12:11:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 11:55:36 AM

If there is a press conference at 1-30 nobody has told kendrick so i think we can rule it out as gossip.

It also seems to have been announced by a parody of the OS twitter.

Look at the spelling:

@AVFCOfficail

It's a load of bollocks, Tom Ross and kendrick know nothing so clearly they would have been informed if true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 12:24:08 PM

Bent is a player teams will want, we are in a strong position, I wouldn't sell for less than 10mill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 12:32:19 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 12:24:08 PM

Bent is a player teams will want, we are in a strong position, I wouldn't sell for less than 10mill.

He's also a player that we've made clear that we don't want, which doens't put us in a very strong bargainning position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 12:24:08 PM

Bent is a player teams will want, we are in a strong position, I wouldn't sell for less than 10mill.

I don't think we could be in much less of 'strong position' if we tried.

The World and his dog know that he's not in Lambert's plans and that we want him off the wage-bill.

This is my one criticism of Villa under Lambert. It's all too obvious when players are surplus to requirements (Hutton, Warnock, Given, Ireland, etc.) which never gives us any footing to demand a fee for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 13, 2013, 12:46:21 PM

Whilst I would also think Bent would be worth closer to £10m, it is probably better to look at players out spend, vs players in spend.

If Bent out = 6m, and that goes on a £2m striker (Helenius), and a £4m defender (Okore) then we are probably in a better position regarding strength of the squad. Certainly Bent is probably a better player than either of the two incoming ones, but he isn't getting a game. Better to have a good prospect in his place (which is currently competition for Benteke), and a starter in central defence where we have been poor.

Suits both Bent and Villa to move him on, though I will be sad to see him go, and wish he had been utilised better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 12:51:00 PM

I am sure that wherever Bent goes he will score goals as long as the service to him in the box is good

However for me it is time for him to go. If we sign Helenius then Bent wont even get on the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 12:53:47 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 12:51:00 PM

I am sure that wherever Bent goes he will score goals as long as the service to him in the box is good

However for me it is time for him to go. If we sign Helenius then Bent wont even get on the bench.

I wonder where this leaves bowery , do people think he will make it at this level or perhaps be loaned out or sold on to a lower league,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 13, 2013, 12:54:29 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 12:24:08 PM

Bent is a player teams will want, we are in a strong position, I wouldn't sell for less than 10mill.

I don't think we could be in much less of 'strong position' if we tried.

I can see what you're saying, but the mere fact that Bent and Given weren't in Lambert's starting eleven was the clear indication he didn't want either of them, he didn't have to say anything.


The World and his dog know that he's not in Lambert's plans and that we want him off the wage-bill.

This is my one criticism of Villa under Lambert. It's all too obvious when players are surplus to requirements (Hutton, Warnock, Given, Ireland, etc.) which never gives us any footing to demand a fee for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on June 13, 2013, 01:09:39 PM

This is my one criticism of Villa under Lambert. It's all too obvious when players are surplus to requirements (Hutton, Warnock, Given, Ireland, etc.) which never gives us any footing to demand a fee for them.
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What else is he supposed to do then, pick them so they are worth more? Thenwe would have been relegated. In three out the four above cases they've had enough chances to show how shite they are and will never play anywhere near PL level again.  They are previous managers mistakes and nothing to do with Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

That looks really impressive.

The bit at 3:05 where he does Victor Moses for pace is particularly impressive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 13, 2013, 01:34:19 PM

Okore looks excellent, so good on the ball.  Fingers and toes crossed from me.  He's only 20 so there is massive potential there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:43:28 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

That looks really impressive.

The bit at 3:05 where he does Victor Moses for pace is particularly impressive.

The most impressive part was when he tackled Torres and she didn't dive in the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 01:50:44 PM

Aston Villa set to land Leandro Bacuna - medical today


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-sign-leandro-bacuna-1950316

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2013, 01:52:06 PM

Busy Bodymoor

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 01:57:31 PM

The amazing thing about that video is that it is all in one game and not selected highlights from several against lower opposition.  How Chelsea didn't sign him up beats me and worries me until we get him signed sealed and delivered.  Only 20? He looks like a world class seasoned pro!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:58:16 PM

Bloody hell, we're going mental.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 01:58:22 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 01:50:44 PM

Aston Villa set to land Leandro Bacuna - medical today


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-sign-leandro-bacuna-1950316

I see he can play wing back which means given our system he might provide some much needed competition to Bennett, who in fairness to him came on a bit in the latter stages of the season.

Fucking hell, my head is spinning with all of this activity and it is only June 13th. If July isn't like this then naturally I will want Faulkner and Lerner OUT

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 01:57:31 PM

The amazing thing about that video is that it is all in one game and not selected highlights from several against lower opposition.  How Chelsea didn't sign him up beats me and worries me until we get him signed sealed and delivered.  Only 20? He looks like a world class seasoned pro!

Chelsea wanted to and he told them he didn't want to sit on the bench. It's like some bizarro world story where a football player turns down a rich club because he actually wants to play the game. I thought those days had long gone by.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 01:50:44 PM

Aston Villa set to land Leandro Bacuna - medical today


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-sign-leandro-bacuna-1950316

I think this is the most interesting bit:

'Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Yeah I don't like to get excited over you tube footage but how quick does he look? He made up distance on Cole and Moses who are really quick and great on the ball I like the sliding challenges where he gets the ball but stays on his feet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

That looks really impressive.

The bit at 3:05 where he does Victor Moses for pace is particularly impressive.

you always wonder about YouTube because it can make the likes of Heskey or Harewood look like world beaters. The most impressive bit about this video is that it's against Chelsea and apparently, I've heard they are a bit good. He looks so strong, competent and impressive in a CL game against top players. Nothing phased him which is massively impressive at 20. Compare that to say Clark and Baker at a similar age and they look significantly inferior. He's right sided too which allows Vlaar to move to the left which will suit him better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 02:03:45 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 13, 2013, 12:24:08 PM

Bent is a player teams will want, we are in a strong position, I wouldn't sell for less than 10mill.

I don't think we could be in much less of 'strong position' if we tried.

The World and his dog know that he's not in Lambert's plans and that we want him off the wage-bill.

This is my one criticism of Villa under Lambert. It's all too obvious when players are surplus to requirements (Hutton, Warnock, Given, Ireland, etc.) which never gives us any footing to demand a fee for them.

If the other option is to play them (Given and bent aside) then I'd rather we take the financial hit!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:04:10 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Yeah I don't like to get excited over you tube footage but how quick does he look? He made up distance on Cole and Moses who are really quick and great on the ball I like the sliding challenges where he gets the ball but stays on his feet.

I have to say in both instances I felt some movement in my underpants. Is that healthy?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 02:05:42 PM

Quote from: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475 (http://vimeo.com/53073475)

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

Predominantly right-footed: does that put Vlaar's position under threat?

To TV's point: is Vlaar a better left-sided CB?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 02:13:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 02:05:42 PM

Quote from: Diablo on June 13, 2013, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on June 13, 2013, 12:42:22 PM

Good video of Okore's performance against Chelsea http://vimeo.com/53073475 (http://vimeo.com/53073475)

Great video. He looks excellent. Fingers crossed...

Predominantly right-footed: does that put Vlaar's position under threat?

To TV's point: is Vlaar a better left-sided CB?

Yeah, dunno how he worked that out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on June 13, 2013, 02:13:32 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 12:53:47 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 12:51:00 PM

I am sure that wherever Bent goes he will score goals as long as the service to him in the box is good

However for me it is time for him to go. If we sign Helenius then Bent wont even get on the bench.

I wonder where this leaves bowery , do people think he will make it at this level or perhaps be loaned out or sold on to a lower league,

Don't rate him at all I'm afraid. Leggy and has a poor touch. Not sure what Lambert saw him in him. Suspect this is also the end of the Fonz at the club. With the Danish guy, Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Nzogbia and Tonev all competing for starting spots, Bent, Holman and Albrighton are surely off too.

A lot of change but the points total last season is hard evidence that the squad was nowhere near good enough. Certainly a far cry from MON's days when scouts weren't allowed leave Britain but I really feel a couple of experience quality players are needed too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:14:35 PM

That video is very impressive. I know it was only one game, but he looked excellent. A defender who can pass the ball as well, what kind of voodoo is that? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 02:15:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 12:53:47 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 13, 2013, 12:51:00 PM

I am sure that wherever Bent goes he will score goals as long as the service to him in the box is good

However for me it is time for him to go. If we sign Helenius then Bent wont even get on the bench.

I wonder where this leaves bowery , do people think he will make it at this level or perhaps be loaned out or sold on to a lower league,

I don't think it changes things too much.  Bowery was mainly used as cover for the wide striking roles, so if anything Tonev arriving effects him more.

I think we may see him given a 6 month loan to the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:19:56 PM

It gives us more balance to have 2 right and 2 left footed centre halves. Looks a great player in the making, just hope we can get it pushed through. Until he signs, I will worry about someone gazumping us, he looks a brilliant prospect.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:23:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:19:56 PM

It gives us more balance to have 2 right and 2 left footed centre halves. Looks a great player in the making, just hope we can get it pushed through. Until he signs, I will worry about someone gazumping us, he looks a brilliant prospect.

I know I wish I hadn't seen that video now..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 13, 2013, 02:27:38 PM

Ive said this before. Never believe anything until it happens. Having said that Okore looks exactly what we need....and some!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:30:00 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

In the last hour ozz - I don't sit around on here reading every post you know - I'm a  busy man ;)

Things are going on at the oval :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 13, 2013, 02:30:58 PM

It would be great if we can have Belhanda too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:31:16 PM

Best laugh I have had in weeks Eastie!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:31:29 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

I love our new ITK's. Posting after it has been posted on a news site somewhere else.

I wouldn't worry about Everton. If Moyes was there, maybe but I imagine a lot of this is already done behind the scenes, and in any case I'm sure Martinez will be filling his new Champions League ambition squad with loftier players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:32:57 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:31:29 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

I love our new ITK's. Posting after it has been posted on a news site somewhere else.

I wouldn't worry about Everton. If Moyes was there, maybe but I imagine a lot of this is already done behind the scenes, and in any case I'm sure Martinez will be filling his new Champions League ambition squad with loftier players.

How is posting something in good faith from matt law on the website claiming to be itk?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 13, 2013, 02:36:37 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

Groningen, we go again

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

Ah Groningen. They like their bikes. And the lads I went to Hamburg with had a great meal in Groningen on the way back. It holds nothing but darkness for me however.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:38:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

Let's hope Laursen has spoken to him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:39:46 PM

Sorry i wasnt aware that someone has to read every page and post before posting things - half an hour ago I was busy but i do apologise i can't join you sitting here all day ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2013, 02:40:48 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:38:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:21:07 PM

Just in from matt law on their website and hes usually accurate-   By Matt Law | 13/06/13 

Aston Villa are set to sign highly-rated Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna.

The Holland Under-21 international moves to Villa Park from FC Groningen.

Bacuna was at Villa to undertake a medical today before completing his switch.

Despite only being 21, Bacuna has made over 100 appearances for Groningen since making his debut in 2009.

Bacuna is most comfortable in midfield, but can also operate as a wing back on either side.

Villa manager Paul Lambert hopes to make at least six new signings this summer.

Having wrapped up deals for Aleksandar Tonev and now Bacuna, Lambert is aiming to seal the transfers of striker Nicklas Helenius and Jores Okore.

Just in indeed, it was posted half an hour ago on the previous page!

I don't like this Everton talk around Okore I have to say.

Let's hope Laursen has spoken to him

why would he go to Everton they dont even own their training ground  :P

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:43:50 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I actually think they will all compete for a first team spot. I don't think any but a select few are safe starters as it should be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:44:00 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

Possibly but hopefully they will provide much better options than the likes of Holman, Bowery and bannan, and provide competition to keep the first teamers on their toes.

The more good options the better - if they get their chance hopefully they will deliver.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think 1 probably, but then if Bacuna is more of an all action central midfield player that some dutch correspondents are saying, all of them will significantly increase the strength and options from the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 02:51:21 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 02:39:46 PM

i do apologise i can't join you sitting here all day

You could have fooled me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:54:15 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think that's the beauty of being in our position and the signings we are making, no one really know's yet.

Which will keep everyone on their toes as eastie says.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 13, 2013, 03:11:29 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-target-leandro-bacuna-4310327

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 03:17:51 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think we need to stop thinking of it in terms of the first team and rather view it as overall squad strength.  Especially with the way Lambert likes to switch things around.

Presuming they do all sign, then Okore is probably most likely to get most games, given our weakness in his position last season.  After that, our good run in the last third of the season was mainly down to finding the right balance in midfield and attack, but who do we have if one of them is out?  Well, now we have Bacuna (hopefully!) and Tonev.  Helenius will probably pay least as he's obviously the Benteke cover with Bant going.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 13, 2013, 03:21:56 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:04:10 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Yeah I don't like to get excited over you tube footage but how quick does he look? He made up distance on Cole and Moses who are really quick and great on the ball I like the sliding challenges where he gets the ball but stays on his feet.

I have to say in both instances I felt some movement in my underpants. Is that healthy?

Depends on whether that movement is because you have a turd lodged there in your underpants.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 03:25:56 PM

all of these players are rising stars in their own country and they will all view a move to the PL as a massive step up and chance to really propel their careers forward. The players they are replacing in the squad are mostly towards the end of their careers, or are complete and utter wasters. These new kids, while young and inexperienced at this level will works their balls off to get into the side and keep their place. Now, I am sure we all would like to see some experience added if the right player becomes available but what they are creating is an environment where no player can take anything for granted and that those with the most desire will win out.

This might be the best summer most of us can ever remember from Villa in terms of optimism. Certainly the most positive since 2006.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 03:29:51 PM

Christ alone knows how many dossiers must have been written at Villa Park in the last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:30:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think 1 probably, but then if Bacuna is more of an all action central midfield player that some dutch correspondents are saying, all of them will significantly increase the strength and options from the bench.

Interestingly, Bacuna and Okore would also offer the flexibility for us to play 5 / 3 at the back - with a Baker / Vlaar / Okore back three and wingbacks from Bennett, Lowton, Delph and Bacuna.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 03:32:52 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:30:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think 1 probably, but then if Bacuna is more of an all action central midfield player that some dutch correspondents are saying, all of them will significantly increase the strength and options from the bench.

Interestingly, Bacuna and Okore would also offer the flexibility for us to play 5 / 3 at the back - with a Baker / Vlaar / Okore back three and wingbacks from Bennett, Lowton, Delph and Bacuna.

Delph is no wingback.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:33:37 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 03:32:52 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:30:48 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 13, 2013, 02:41:33 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM

And talking of voodoo, this is what, 4 players we seem to be in advanced stages of signing and it's not even the middle of June yet? I'm loving this, although a bit scared by this strange new world as well.

Indeed but how many of the 4 will go straight into the first team, improving what we currently have? My guess is one.

I think 1 probably, but then if Bacuna is more of an all action central midfield player that some dutch correspondents are saying, all of them will significantly increase the strength and options from the bench.

Interestingly, Bacuna and Okore would also offer the flexibility for us to play 5 / 3 at the back - with a Baker / Vlaar / Okore back three and wingbacks from Bennett, Lowton, Delph and Bacuna.

Delph is no wingback.

probably not but he certainly has the ability to be so if required.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 13, 2013, 03:34:28 PM

If Bent and Benteke left, would you be happy with what we have up front?

I think Weimann could step up again this year. May still be a striker short, I'd never gamble on Gabby playing all season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:35:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 03:25:56 PM

all of these players are rising stars in their own country and they will all view a move to the PL as a massive step up and chance to really propel their careers forward. The players they are replacing in the squad are mostly towards the end of their careers, or are complete and utter wasters. These new kids, while young and inexperienced at this level will works their balls off to get into the side and keep their place. Now, I am sure we all would like to see some experience added if the right player becomes available but what they are creating is an environment where no player can take anything for granted and that those with the most desire will win out.

This might be the best summer most of us can ever remember from Villa in terms of optimism. Certainly the most positive since 2006.

True and it also means that if they succeed and then get drawn to Chumps League clubs we can cash in. As long as the scouting machine keeps doing its magic we could really develop both the playing and the financial side of things.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:36:44 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 13, 2013, 03:34:28 PM

If Bent and Benteke left, would you be happy with what we have up front?

I think Weimann could step up again this year. May still be a striker short, I'd never gamble on Gabby playing all season.

If Bent and Benteke left, we'd have £40m to play with ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 13, 2013, 03:34:28 PM

If Bent and Benteke left, would you be happy with what we have up front?

I think Weimann could step up again this year. May still be a striker short, I'd never gamble on Gabby playing all season.

no. Benteke is a clear difference maker and makes us scary to every opposing defender that have to deal with his power and pace coupled with the supporting cast. It is very rare to find a player of his quality, so one can only hope that Helenius is close to that in a year or so. Bent leaving isn't in any way an issue because he no longer fits. Benteke is perfect for how Lambert wants to play.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 13, 2013, 03:37:13 PM

@nmashiter_star: Bacuna is believed to have agreed a three-year deal at #avfc. Waiting for official confirmation of course. Need that rubber stamp, as always

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 03:37:38 PM

Signing another predominantly right-sided CB does also seem to give CC and NB a massive endorsement from PL, unless he has another LCB in his sights from elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2013, 03:39:11 PM

Bent can live without, I'd worry if benteke left, I was starting to think he was off but now he's being used for images I'm a bit more confident

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 03:44:35 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2013, 03:39:11 PM

Bent can live without, I'd worry if benteke left, I was starting to think he was off but now he's being used for images I'm a bit more confident

Wouldnt read too much into the image thing, they were done a few weeks ago, if you check th video there in no sponsors name on the shirts and brad Guzan has not been in England for 3 weeks - easy enough to put a shirt on a player in a photo - when the shirts were modelled and filming made  we hadn't confirmed the sponsor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 03:46:26 PM

Does anyone else like the very logical way Lambert seems to go about his transfer business?

Looking at a right sided CB, so it's two right and two left.
Nobody in the squad who can play Benteke's role, so we get a 6'5" young understudy.
Bent doesn't fit in, so we cash in on him.
Not many wide options other than Gabby and Andi, so we sign one.

Is this how you play one of those Football Manager games?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 03:50:21 PM

Bacuna in particular interests me- he can play the box to box role , either side wing back and also a wide role and chips in with goals - I'd be surprised if we followed up any interest in luke murphy now - another couple in after these 3 and we can hopefully shift some of the deadwood out like Holman, Ireland, bannan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 13, 2013, 03:57:12 PM

The description of Bacuna  as regards where and how he plays seems to tally with the one of Holman this time last year. How long till a young keeper signs? Given, Bent and Holman definitely to be sold and Ireland to be paid off? I must admit I like the buy before you sell policy rather than scrabbling around late in the summer to cover positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on June 13, 2013, 03:57:45 PM

I see Daniel Johnson has signed a 2 year deal today. I also found that Samir Carruthers turned down the chance to play for Dorgu Youth All Stars Wanderers Black Eagles Cats to play for us, according to wikipedia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 03:59:59 PM

reported by the Irish Villans on facebook( yeah I know) that:

Groningen FC have reported on there official site that Leandro Bacuna has signed for Villa on 3yr contract

not seen anything on the OS yet.

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 13, 2013, 04:01:12 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 13, 2013, 03:57:12 PM

The description of Bacuna  as regards where and how he plays seems to tally with the one of Holman this time last year. How long till a young keeper signs? Given, Bent and Holman definitely to be sold and Ireland to be paid off? I must admit I like the buy before you sell policy rather than scrabbling around late in the summer to cover positions.

Holman was described as a 2nd striker/winger, so to me Tonev is a more likely replacement/upgrade for him than Bacuna.  Box to box midfielder/wing back is nearer to Delph and/or Herd.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2013, 04:11:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:04:10 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Yeah I don't like to get excited over you tube footage but how quick does he look? He made up distance on Cole and Moses who are really quick and great on the ball I like the sliding challenges where he gets the ball but stays on his feet.

I have to say in both instances I felt some movement in my underpants. Is that healthy?

Its not often you watch a centre half play and feel excited.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 13, 2013, 04:11:17 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 03:25:56 PM

all of these players are rising stars in their own country and they will all view a move to the PL as a massive step up and chance to really propel their careers forward. The players they are replacing in the squad are mostly towards the end of their careers, or are complete and utter wasters. These new kids, while young and inexperienced at this level will works their balls off to get into the side and keep their place. Now, I am sure we all would like to see some experience added if the right player becomes available but what they are creating is an environment where no player can take anything for granted and that those with the most desire will win out.

This might be the best summer most of us can ever remember from Villa in terms of optimism. Certainly the most positive since 2006.

You know what, I feel more positive and optimistic about next season than I have about a Villa side since the late 70's. I can't really put my finger on the exact reason, I just feel it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:11:58 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 13, 2013, 03:59:59 PM

reported by the Irish Villans on facebook( yeah I know) that:

Groningen FC have reported on there official site that Leandro Bacuna has signed for Villa on 3yr contract

not seen anything on the OS yet.

UTV
The Doc

Here's what the FC Groningen website  is saying:

FC Groningen has reached an agreement with Aston Villa for the transfer of Leandro Bacuna to Villa Park. The transition from the trained Pride of the North itself rounder can be finalized as Bacuna medical examination in Birmingham by state and he personally reached agreement with Aston Villa. FC Groningen is expected that the transfer is effected

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 04:15:46 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 04:11:12 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 02:04:10 PM

Quote from: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 13, 2013, 01:42:33 PM

Bloody hell.

From that video he looks massive, brave, quick as anybody, an excellent passer, confident on the ball and good at reading the game. That was a good Chelsea side too.

Yeah I don't like to get excited over you tube footage but how quick does he look? He made up distance on Cole and Moses who are really quick and great on the ball I like the sliding challenges where he gets the ball but stays on his feet.

I have to say in both instances I felt some movement in my underpants. Is that healthy?

Its not often you watch a centre half play and feel excited.

When I've watched those clips of him, it's reminded me of "God", the way he seems to appear from nowhere to nick the ball away from the head or toe at the last second!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:17:28 PM

The sooner we get okore signed the better - he seems ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 04:18:20 PM

Victor Moses is a good player. Ashley Cole is excellent. Both are very quick, and neither could beat our soon to be new CB. Viva la Revolucion!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on June 13, 2013, 04:18:29 PM

FC Groningen has reached an agreement with Aston Villa for the transfer of Leandro Bacuna to Villa Park. The transition from the trained Pride of the North itself rounder can be finalized as Bacuna medical examination in Birmingham by state and he personally reached agreement with Aston Villa. FC Groningen is expected that the transfer is effected. The 21-year-old Bacuna had Euroborg a continuous commitment to mid-2015.


from fc gronningen

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 04:19:20 PM

Jores Okore is ready to take responsibility to be a leader in Paul Lambert's young and emerging Villa team having completed a move from FC Nordsjaelland, last season's runners-up in Denmark's top-flight Superliga.

The 20-year-old defender underwent a medical today and agreed a four-year deal which will run to 2017.

Manager Lambert believes the Danish international has the potential to "make a huge impact" in the Barclays Premier League in coming seasons and Okore is thrilled to be part of Villa's hungry, aspirational team which he is determined to help propel towards "a higher level of performance [and] into a new era".

"We're a young team and we played some really good football over the second half of last season which is something we want to build on now as players, as a team and as a club," Okore said.

"I know there is great potential in the team. I have watched many of our games because the Premier League is very popular back in Denmark.

"I know also that we have a good coach and this is a really good club. This is the right club for me, I feel it straight away.

"We have a lot to show and we have a long way to go. We want to get to an even higher level of performance and show people who we are, that we can be a really good team. The manager is determined to develop us and to help us become better players, proving to people that we can become a top team. We can get some exciting things going here.

"I'm really excited and I'm looking forward to seeing my new teammates and getting together with them to train and get prepared to play some Premier League games.

"I'm happy to be wearing the shirt and I feel like I'm looking really good in it - it feels very comfortable. I'm looking forward to us going out next season, performing as a team and showing our potential.

"We have good players all around. It's going to be tough but I really hope I can go in and show myself and be a big part of the team. I want to bring something new to our game and really help the team into a new era. That's what I hope to do.

"If I was to describe myself, I think I'm a big, strong defender with good pace. Obviously, my priority is to be a really good defensive player but I think I can bring something to our game offensively, too, and maybe start some attacks. But the foremost thing will be to defend well and after that think about whatever else I may be able to contribute.

"We have players who have experience of the Premier League and hopefully I can also bring something from my experience in the Champions League. I'm looking forward to playing with my new team-mates.

"It's going to be exciting to play in a stadium like Villa Park and I'm looking forward to that. The atmosphere, I can tell, is incredible and I know the fans here are very passionate. This is an historic football club and I'm delighted to be a part of it now.

"It was really nice to hear some very nice comments from [former Villa and Danish international defender] Martin Laursen. It means a lot. I hope I can bring what he brought to the team and some of my own style as well. Martin was a great player for this club and I don't want to build it up too much. I have to come in and work hard and that's what I intend to do. I have a really good coach who will help me to perform my role, to be a leader in the squad, to take responsibility and perform well."

Okore has been an integral part of FC Nordsjaelland's unprecedented success over the past three seasons, winning their first Superliga title in 2011-12 and the Danish Cup in 2010-11.

He made his only appearance of the 2009-10 campaign in the Danish Cup and has played 71 times since then, including five appearances in the 2012-13 Champions League.

Okore made his debut for the Danish national team in November 2011.

He has played seven times for his country and was part of the squad that travelled to Ukraine for Euro 2012, though he did not play in the tournament.

He was named to the Danish League XI, a team made up of the best players from the Danish Superliga that plays during the league's winter break, in both 2012 and 2013 and in 2012 was named the under-21 player of the year by the Danish FA.

Lambert believes that Okore's acquisition will bolster his central defensive unit and imbue real competition for places, which he wants to engender throughout the team.

"He's only 20 years of age and that's good but he's also an international player at a really young age and he's played Champions League football as well, which is testament to his potential," Lambert said.

"Jores has played in big games but he's a very humble lad and he will be a really good addition to our team and to our squad. I'm pleased that we've signed a player of his stature, for he is someone who can come in and make a huge impact.

"There's a great opportunity for him here and the competition for places is something that's really important. You want to try to have that throughout the team."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 13, 2013, 04:21:34 PM

Okore in the bag then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 13, 2013, 04:21:50 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 04:19:20 PM

Jores Okore is ready to take responsibility to be a leader in Paul Lambert's young and emerging Villa team having completed a move from FC Nordsjaelland, last season's runners-up in Denmark's top-flight Superliga.

The 20-year-old defender underwent a medical today and agreed a four-year deal which will run to 2017.

Manager Lambert believes the Danish international has the potential to "make a huge impact" in the Barclays Premier League in coming seasons and Okore is thrilled to be part of Villa's hungry, aspirational team which he is determined to help propel towards "a higher level of performance [and] into a new era".

"We're a young team and we played some really good football over the second half of last season which is something we want to build on now as players, as a team and as a club," Okore said.

"I know there is great potential in the team. I have watched many of our games because the Premier League is very popular back in Denmark.

"I know also that we have a good coach and this is a really good club. This is the right club for me, I feel it straight away.

"We have a lot to show and we have a long way to go. We want to get to an even higher level of performance and show people who we are, that we can be a really good team. The manager is determined to develop us and to help us become better players, proving to people that we can become a top team. We can get some exciting things going here.

"I'm really excited and I'm looking forward to seeing my new teammates and getting together with them to train and get prepared to play some Premier League games.

"I'm happy to be wearing the shirt and I feel like I'm looking really good in it - it feels very comfortable. I'm looking forward to us going out next season, performing as a team and showing our potential.

"We have good players all around. It's going to be tough but I really hope I can go in and show myself and be a big part of the team. I want to bring something new to our game and really help the team into a new era. That's what I hope to do.

"If I was to describe myself, I think I'm a big, strong defender with good pace. Obviously, my priority is to be a really good defensive player but I think I can bring something to our game offensively, too, and maybe start some attacks. But the foremost thing will be to defend well and after that think about whatever else I may be able to contribute.

"We have players who have experience of the Premier League and hopefully I can also bring something from my experience in the Champions League. I'm looking forward to playing with my new team-mates.

"It's going to be exciting to play in a stadium like Villa Park and I'm looking forward to that. The atmosphere, I can tell, is incredible and I know the fans here are very passionate. This is an historic football club and I'm delighted to be a part of it now.

"It was really nice to hear some very nice comments from [former Villa and Danish international defender] Martin Laursen. It means a lot. I hope I can bring what he brought to the team and some of my own style as well. Martin was a great player for this club and I don't want to build it up too much. I have to come in and work hard and that's what I intend to do. I have a really good coach who will help me to perform my role, to be a leader in the squad, to take responsibility and perform well."

Okore has been an integral part of FC Nordsjaelland's unprecedented success over the past three seasons, winning their first Superliga title in 2011-12 and the Danish Cup in 2010-11.

He made his only appearance of the 2009-10 campaign in the Danish Cup and has played 71 times since then, including five appearances in the 2012-13 Champions League.

Okore made his debut for the Danish national team in November 2011.

He has played seven times for his country and was part of the squad that travelled to Ukraine for Euro 2012, though he did not play in the tournament.

He was named to the Danish League XI, a team made up of the best players from the Danish Superliga that plays during the league's winter break, in both 2012 and 2013 and in 2012 was named the under-21 player of the year by the Danish FA.

Lambert believes that Okore's acquisition will bolster his central defensive unit and imbue real competition for places, which he wants to engender throughout the team.

"He's only 20 years of age and that's good but he's also an international player at a really young age and he's played Champions League football as well, which is testament to his potential," Lambert said.

"Jores has played in big games but he's a very humble lad and he will be a really good addition to our team and to our squad. I'm pleased that we've signed a player of his stature, for he is someone who can come in and make a huge impact.

"There's a great opportunity for him here and the competition for places is something that's really important. You want to try to have that throughout the team."

Where's that from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 13, 2013, 04:23:57 PM

O/S

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 04:24:15 PM

Welcome Jores.

I'm loving this, me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:25:03 PM

Exciting times - great getting these lads settled in for pre season too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 13, 2013, 04:27:00 PM

Getting our business sorted sharpish this year aren't we? Really excited by this Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on June 13, 2013, 04:27:58 PM

I can't believe this. Lambert certainly means business doesn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:29:37 PM

Lets hope benteke is excited by the recent signings and pens a new deal , that would add to the momentum  .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 04:30:23 PM

Faulkner in!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CBAV06 on June 13, 2013, 04:32:04 PM

Been busy and hadn't paid much attention to transfers yet as we all know Villa doesn't do anything until late in the window. Happily surprised I must say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:32:05 PM

I love all the "we" and "our" in his OS interview: really uplifting to discern all this positivity and teamship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 13, 2013, 04:35:15 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:32:05 PM

I love all the "we" and "our" in his OS interview: really uplifting to discern all this positivity and teamship.

I noticed that too. Excellent.

2 down 2 to go?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 13, 2013, 04:38:44 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:32:05 PM

I love all the "we" and "our" in his OS interview: really uplifting to discern all this positivity and teamship.

I really like what the payer has to say. It certainly beats the shit out of 'it'll do until a bigger club comes along'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 04:41:34 PM

We'we Aston Villa, we sign who we want.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 04:43:29 PM

What a boring transfer windows this is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:48:40 PM

@JongsmaJongsma: FC Groningen director Hans Nijland compliments Aston Villa. 'The way the transfer has been handled is like we wish it would always go.'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2013, 04:49:30 PM

Brilliant business thus far. 4 (as good as done it seems) in so far. All seem very promising.

Another 2-3 in and we're pretty much done. I'd like to see us bring in a few English players before the windows out too. Murphy and Cresswell perhaps? We should set an example and help develop decent young English talent at the highest level. Lowts and Westy have already proved brilliant business and seem destined for the national team too. More of that would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 13, 2013, 04:51:29 PM

reminds me of Big Fat Ron's triple signings.....quite exhilarating

haven't looked forward to a season starting for such a long time

any more Dan? :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 13, 2013, 04:54:00 PM

As soon as the final 'in' has his picture taken, we can close the transfer window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karlos96 on June 13, 2013, 04:54:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:48:40 PM

@JongsmaJongsma: FC Groningen director Hans Nijland compliments Aston Villa. 'The way the transfer has been handled is like we wish it would always go.'

That's not the first time a club has said that about us.  It is really good to hear at least we do things the right way.  Things like that make me really proud of my club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:55:04 PM

Amazing that the national media have not picked any of this up ... all up their own arses about Chelski's signing of Schurrle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 04:56:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:55:04 PM

Amazing that the national media have not picked any of this up ... all up their own arses about Chelski's signing of Schurrle.

To by fair TSP was bigging us up.Go SSN.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:57:57 PM

@StanCollymore: #AVFC #UTV We're mopping up the promising youth from everywhere! Nice to see us being proactive!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 04:58:18 PM

Great to get some new blood in so early in the summer. Those extra weeks in training together means we may get a better start than we did last season when the signings came in late. Good work all round, UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 04:58:43 PM

NEXT!! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 04:59:37 PM

Its great to hear all the poisitvity and general good vibe from fans towards the signings the kit the manager and the direction headed. I also want some English players in - and to develop those we already have. There is an undoubted gamble with these players we are bringing in but i like many of us am happy. Its interesting villa looked abroad thus far.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on June 13, 2013, 05:00:16 PM

What happened to the chap that was seen pictured at Villa Park?  Blond guy I think, Dutch or German maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 13, 2013, 05:00:28 PM

Have they got revolving doors fitted at BH yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 05:00:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 13, 2013, 04:57:57 PM

@StanCollymore: #AVFC #UTV We're mopping up the promising youth from everywhere! Nice to see us being proactive!

As the club have already done a Villa Hardcore badge, maybe it's time for them to do a Villa Youth one?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on June 13, 2013, 05:02:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 04:59:37 PM

Its great to hear all the poisitvity and general good vibe from fans towards the signings the kit the manager and the direction headed. I also want some English players in - and to develop those we already have. There is an undoubted gamble with these players we are bringing in but i like many of us am happy. Its interesting villa looked abroad thus far.   

Perhaps if other clubs see us signing players cheaper from abroad, they may not be too pushy to get a better price from us as they have seen we will just look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:02:21 PM

Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:55:04 PM

Amazing that the national media have not picked any of this up ... all up their own arses about Chelski's signing of Schurrle.

Don't worry about that shite.

Just enjoy the way this vibrant new Villa are taking shape.

Personally, I've got a big fat-head that I'm going to smoke while I ponder the wonderful permutations our manager now has at his fingertips.

Where's me lighter?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:04:16 PM

I'm off to SHA to wind the ****** up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 05:04:21 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 04:58:18 PM

Great to get some new blood in so early in the summer. Those extra weeks in training together means we may get a better start than we did last season when the signings came in late. Good work all round, UTV

Part of me thinks we started poorly last season because the whole concept of trying to play football had become so alien to the established palyers we already had over the course of the TSM season!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 13, 2013, 05:05:27 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 05:04:21 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 04:58:18 PM

Great to get some new blood in so early in the summer. Those extra weeks in training together means we may get a better start than we did last season when the signings came in late. Good work all round, UTV

Part of me thinks we started poorly last season because the whole concept of trying to play football had become so alien to the established palyers we already had over the course of the TSM season!

More than a grain of truth in that, I suspect.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 13, 2013, 05:06:06 PM

Leeb said to me 'it's as if Lamberts carrying out the job according to my personal wish list'

And that's exactly the way I feel, not that I've heard of any of the players, just the way we are building using youth and technical ability as a priority, slowly getting rid of the dead wood and high wage earners and putting something exciting in place
It's just fantastic

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 13, 2013, 05:07:24 PM

Bugger, I go out for a couple of hours and all this kicks off!  Think I'll go out for another couple! :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2013, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:02:21 PM

Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy.

I've always believed the advantage of getting your new players in early in relation to season ticket sales. The buzz from the end of season seems almost seamless.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrfuse on June 13, 2013, 05:10:35 PM

Aston Villa FC ‏@AVFCOfficial 7m
BREAKING NEWS: Dutch U21 midfielder Leandro Bacuna has signed for Villa from Groningen on a three-year deal. http://bit.ly/10fuqBF  #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 05:10:57 PM

I get feeling the UK market is too expensive for lerner these days he wants the value for money and think like a businessman who investes which is what he is. That said a cheeky move to bring in Gareth Barry would be great for experience, versatility and quality.  I feel he would like to come back and be at club where his heart belongs. If not good luck to him and think he should go abroad Germany for eg rather than be pushed out to a squad city member. He has world cup to think of!

I also think that with all these signings and aswells 8 players out  actually need quite a few more i suggested 6-8 and even touted 11 . What i wanna know too is which GKs we goona get?   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 05:04:21 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 04:58:18 PM

Great to get some new blood in so early in the summer. Those extra weeks in training together means we may get a better start than we did last season when the signings came in late. Good work all round, UTV

Part of me thinks we started poorly last season because the whole concept of trying to play football had become so alien to the established palyers we already had over the course of the TSM season!

We will be starting next season in very different fashion to last. Lambert knows his players much better, will have eliminated for the most part those he doesn't and has in place a playing style and system that will be reinforced throughout the pre-season. There will be so much positive energy around the club in a couple of weeks when they return for pre-season training.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:14:01 PM

VK on the meth's again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2013, 05:17:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 05:12:31 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 05:04:21 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 04:58:18 PM

Great to get some new blood in so early in the summer. Those extra weeks in training together means we may get a better start than we did last season when the signings came in late. Good work all round, UTV

Part of me thinks we started poorly last season because the whole concept of trying to play football had become so alien to the established palyers we already had over the course of the TSM season!

We will be starting next season in very different fashion to last. Lambert knows his players much better, will have eliminated for the most part those he doesn't and has in place a playing style and system that will be reinforced throughout the pre-season. There will be so much positive energy around the club in a couple of weeks when they return for pre-season training.

If the big man signs a new contract with us before then I think the atmosphere at Bodymore will be electric on the first day back.  Today is a great day to be a villa fan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 13, 2013, 05:18:04 PM

This thread is redundant, because we don't get rumours, we get signings by the hour! Slow down, Lambo. We are accustomed to MON pace, Houllier speed and Eck velocity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 13, 2013, 05:18:58 PM

What we need now is for Dan to say that we're gonna win the league next season, then it'll happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 13, 2013, 05:19:46 PM

I always felt when it became apparent our pot was penniless a few seasons back, that we should adopt the Udinese,Villareal,Napoli model of bringing through their own youth plus adding young players from abroad who's value should only go up.

Pretty exciting times, hopefully our scouts will get a good bonus !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2013, 05:21:43 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 05:10:57 PM

I get feeling the UK market is too expensive for lerner these days he wants the value for money and think like a businessman who investes which is what he is. That said a cheeky move to bring in Gareth Barry would be great for experience, versatility and quality.  I feel he would like to come back and be at club where his heart belongs. If not good luck to him and think he should go abroad Germany for eg rather than be pushed out to a squad city member. He has world cup to think of!

I also think that with all these signings and aswells 8 players out  actually need quite a few more i suggested 6-8 and even touted 11 . What i wanna know too is which GKs we goona get?   

Sean St Ledger in goal.  He's Irish (ish)  so might have some aptitude for gaelic football. Send Barry packing to the Pacific Islands. They like fat arsed women out that way. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 13, 2013, 05:28:05 PM

Just fantastic what's happening so far in the transfer window. I'm so excited I could wee  ::)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 13, 2013, 05:30:37 PM

Interesting the way Lambert as gone for 4 young prospects from Europe and none from the lower leagues yet. I wonder does this suggest that he has set up a proper scouting network this year with the extra resources available at VIlla, whereas last summers signings (mostly) were off a more limited network from Norwich.

Either way, it's exciting stuff. And to tie it in with Arry's little rant today, I am pleased that we are going for players from Europe, where they are technically better due to the way they are trained.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2013, 05:40:30 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:55:04 PM

Amazing that the national media have not picked any of this up ... all up their own arses about Chelski's signing of Schurrle.

Don't worry about that shite.

Just enjoy the way this vibrant new Villa are taking shape.

Personally, I've got a big fat-head that I'm going to smoke while I ponder the wonderful permutations our manager now has at his fingertips.

Where's me lighter?

Twos.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 05:42:53 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 13, 2013, 05:40:30 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 05:02:27 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2013, 04:55:04 PM

Amazing that the national media have not picked any of this up ... all up their own arses about Chelski's signing of Schurrle.

Don't worry about that shite.

Just enjoy the way this vibrant new Villa are taking shape.

Personally, I've got a big fat-head that I'm going to smoke while I ponder the wonderful permutations our manager now has at his fingertips.

Where's me lighter?

Twos.

You sure? I'm listening to Weller?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on June 13, 2013, 05:47:51 PM

Well done to Paul Lambert, I am getting really excited re next season. We never sign 4 players by 2nd week of august let alone june!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 05:50:33 PM

Anyone been to SHA yet? I just wanted to check if we're still in terminal decline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 05:52:34 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 05:10:57 PM

I also think that with all these signings and aswells 8 players out  actually need quite a few more i suggested 6-8 and even touted 11 . What i wanna know too is which GKs we goona get?

If Helenius signs (and it looks like he will), then I think Murphy from Crewe, another option at left back and a reserve GK will be enough really.  We might also see a couple of signings like Bowery that have an eye to the future.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: swiftyelvis on June 13, 2013, 05:53:43 PM

So how many of the new signings will be in the starting 11, come August?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on June 13, 2013, 06:00:26 PM

Interesting and pleasing signings and proposed signings, and lovely to see business done early to bed players in for the new season (one of my main criticisms of MON).  However I'd still prefer at least one or two older heads to be added to the mix, especially in defence.  I don't see why the young and hungry brigade can't be nursed along for a while by a bit of experience here and there. You'll win nowt with kids y'know. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2013, 06:00:38 PM

I'd actually be a tad concerned about that, seeing as they'd know full well what terminal decline looks like.  Specialist subject for the tramps. 

It's nice that they're concerned about us, but they should get their own putrid house in order.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on June 13, 2013, 06:03:44 PM

Good to get the young lads in early. Chances are that if there is money to buy established more expensive players they will come in towards the end of the window so we can get the best value.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: martin o`who?? on June 13, 2013, 06:05:47 PM

Early, quality signings, and apparently more to come, when eventually PL gets a holiday i defy anyone to say he hasn`t earned it this last few months.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 13, 2013, 06:11:04 PM

Yeah, no f***ing about with Lambert, getting them in lightning fast.

Also loving the fact that every ITK bullshitter and Mat Kendrick cannot guess who's coming next. Adds to the surprise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 06:12:18 PM

Quote from: swiftyelvis on June 13, 2013, 05:53:43 PM

So how many of the new signings will be in the starting 11, come August?

Bit early to tell yet, but I would have thought Okore will a starting CB for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 06:14:24 PM

This is all going to make for a very boring July and August!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 06:15:26 PM

Interviews coming up on SSN.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: martin o`who?? on June 13, 2013, 06:24:24 PM

i`m as excited as anybody about all these signings, but i just hope the youth development doesnt start to fall by the wayside in favour of foreign signings, that aspect of the club is a huge plus for us and long may it continue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

I do hope a couple of decent English players do come in too. Murphy and Cresswell for example would probably round the squad off happily enough now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 13, 2013, 06:53:20 PM

Well what a brilliant day this has been, excellent stuff. I think Okore in particular is a real coup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2013, 06:54:58 PM

For Christ sake Villa, pull your finger out...it's been an hour since we signed anyone!

On a serious note I can't see us biting nails on August 31st...as thrilling as it is I like us to do our business early, as Fergie would do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 06:58:08 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 13, 2013, 06:54:58 PM

For Christ sake Villa, pull your finger out...it's been an hour since we signed anyone!

On a serious note I can't see us biting nails on August 31st...as thrilling as it is I like us to do our business early, as Fergie would do.

Window runs till september 2 as 31 falls on a sat. what i can see is that players may be leaving right up to window close but Villa incomings would have been all done

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 13, 2013, 07:03:01 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 06:58:08 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 13, 2013, 06:54:58 PM

For Christ sake Villa, pull your finger out...it's been an hour since we signed anyone!

On a serious note I can't see us biting nails on August 31st...as thrilling as it is I like us to do our business early, as Fergie would do.

Window runs till september 2 as 31 falls on a sat. what i can see is that players may be leaving right up to window close but Villa incomings would have been all done

Yes Kicks! This transfer window seems to get extended every year but I think you might be right if in terms of outgoings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:05:01 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:14:01 PM

VK on the meth's again.

Well we are talking premier league football and signings excite me but real terms that some experience is needed. Barry would be Ideal as a club captain hes a god proffesional and would add some stability. I think its vital we have someone of 30 plus in the squad team and I would rather have some one who knows the club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 13, 2013, 07:09:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

I do hope a couple of decent English players do come in too. Murphy and Cresswell for example would probably round the squad off happily enough now.

Would be great to bring in Murphy and Cresswell and possibly an English up and coming prospect goalie ........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:15:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

Yes i always known i speak sense it takes a while but others will see ... know exactly whats needed and the changes so far I have been in agreement with because i understand football and villas needs

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 07:17:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:05:01 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on June 13, 2013, 05:14:01 PM

VK on the meth's again.

Well we are talking premier league football and signings excite me but real terms that some experience is needed. Barry would be Ideal as a club captain hes a god proffesional and would add some stability. I think its vital we have someone of 30 plus in the squad team and I would rather have some one who knows the club

I think Barry would be a backward step.  No hard feelings but we need players who can put a full shift in. Trust in Rab C Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 13, 2013, 07:21:20 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:15:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

Yes i always known i speak sense it takes a while but others will see ... know exactly whats needed and the changes so far I have been in agreement with because i understand football and villas needs

Had to scroll up to see who had written that post after I read it. I'd have put money on a re-integrated Greg Nash, or Doug Ellis.

You're not Doug Ellis are you?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2013, 07:23:29 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:15:19 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 19, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

It would be nice to bring in 2 wingers as width is something we lacked this season. Then there's the need for a sub GK,  left back, a solid experienced central defender, a goal scoring midfielder, a creative midfielder and a striker. That's 8 players. I would think we won't get more than 6. Probably no wingers !       

Yes i always known i speak sense it takes a while but others will see ... know exactly whats needed and the changes so far I have been in agreement with because i understand football and villas needs

blimey

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 24, 2013, 08:23:27 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 23, 2013, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 22, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I like herd to stay. I dont nzogbia - but suspect Monaco would want bigger players than him and he doesn't fit criteria of what Monaco are striving to achieve. The mail would be more realistic if they said Nzogbia and Herd were wanted by m'boro. Nursey in mirror could have some accuracy with the mention of Lambert targeting 2 new full backs, an experienced centre half and a creative midfielder. I myselfclearly stated want i feel is necessary 8 players and would like at least 6. Am taking into account players who will be shipped out. So 1 gk. Full back- left. Centre back. Creative midfielder, Goalscoring midfielder, 2 wingers, and a striker. 

And if Lowtongetsinjured?

Chris herd

Oh and this ! I do hope we get a few GKs in ! never any mention of this !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2013, 07:36:01 PM

How about Altidore in as goalkeeper? 

Exactly what the opposition would least expect, which is why we should do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:41:27 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 13, 2013, 07:36:01 PM

How about Altidore in as goalkeeper? 

Exactly what the opposition would least expect, which is why we should do it.

Now we are on same wave length ! in fact i think we wont have a GK on bench by way we are goings with signings. also next season can see quite a few players to change things up on the bench- though i expect holman and nzogbia to go maybe albrighton and bannan too. But bowery hellenias gardner sylla herd clark bancuna may not get in 1st team and be a case of squad rotation
i forgot  Karim El Ahmadi!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2013, 07:54:34 PM

That's OK.   I expect Karim El Ahmadi has forgotten about Karim El Ahmadi at this stage. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 13, 2013, 07:55:14 PM

Villa Kicks, maybe breathe a bit while you type, its hard to read your posts without my eyes bleeding.  I expect a Goalie in.  Given sounds like he is moving, and if thats the case im pretty sure our Gaffer will have it sorted.  You need a big squad, but of strength, and thats what we are getting now.  Its all about improving the average, competition and ironically experience.  Some of these lads are young, but they have been blooded in tough games, a lot like our lads from last year.  A lot of players have come in that oppositions will not have played against also gives you some advantages

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 13, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Baffled that, despite all of Lambo's statements & signings, people on here still suggest overpaid overaged underachieiving PL hacks. Forget Barry, Lescott or similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 13, 2013, 07:09:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

I do hope a couple of decent English players do come in too. Murphy and Cresswell for example would probably round the squad off happily enough now.

Would be great to bring in Murphy and Cresswell and possibly an English up and coming prospect goalie ........

Jed Steer is still being linked to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 08:48:22 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 13, 2013, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 13, 2013, 07:09:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

I do hope a couple of decent English players do come in too. Murphy and Cresswell for example would probably round the squad off happily enough now.

Would be great to bring in Murphy and Cresswell and possibly an English up and coming prospect goalie ........

Jed Steer is still being linked to us.

I reckon that is a bum steer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 13, 2013, 08:58:36 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 13, 2013, 06:54:58 PM

For Christ sake Villa, pull your finger out...it's been an hour since we signed anyone!

On a serious note I can't see us biting nails on August 31st...as thrilling as it is I like us to do our business early, as Fergie would do.

We'll be biting our nails still. But in the hope some one comes in for a late swoop for Ireland or Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 13, 2013, 09:06:35 PM

Haven't posted on here in quite a while but can't help myself at the minute!  I come home from work and do my usual scan of transfer rumors (including this thread) and see the mirror article linking us with Bacuna and Okore and think that these will be the kind of transfers that drag on a bit.  Then I check the OS and see them both stretching the snazzy new home kit! 

I know nothing of Bacuna or Tonev and only very little about Okore but I trust Lambert's judgement on the first two and with Okore I think lots of people on here have the same feeling when you can just tell we have a proper player.  No centre half is nearly the finished article at 20 but he appears to have all the attributes you need.

We could do with some full back and GK cover but I think most of the starting 11  earned a chance to keep their places in the last third of the season.  I'm looking forward to a squad of young players competing with each other for a first team place.  They're all players on the rise as well, so no one should be wearing The Villa shirt who sees it as a step down.  I'm getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm a happy Villain right now!

Edit: Also credit to Lambert and the board for getting these deals done early when most people in football appear to be on their hols!

UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 13, 2013, 09:39:24 PM

Well done the Villa on getting these done early.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 13, 2013, 09:42:53 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 24, 2013, 08:23:27 AM

Quote from: peter w on May 23, 2013, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 22, 2013, 09:13:50 AM

I like herd to stay. I dont nzogbia - but suspect Monaco would want bigger players than him and he doesn't fit criteria of what Monaco are striving to achieve. The mail would be more realistic if they said Nzogbia and Herd were wanted by m'boro. Nursey in mirror could have some accuracy with the mention of Lambert targeting 2 new full backs, an experienced centre half and a creative midfielder. I myselfclearly stated want i feel is necessary 8 players and would like at least 6. Am taking into account players who will be shipped out. So 1 gk. Full back- left. Centre back. Creative midfielder, Goalscoring midfielder, 2 wingers, and a striker. 

And if Lowtongetsinjured?

Chris herd

Oh and this ! I do hope we get a few GKs in ! never any mention of this !

A few GKs? Why on earth would we want any more than one GK to go with Guzan and Siegrist?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 09:45:43 PM

I don't mind admitting I'm getting a bit carried away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 09:45:47 PM

If anybody is interested I'm beginning a punctuation class.  Just the basics.  Fullstops, commas, question marks and the use of the appropriate number of exclamation marks with regard to the severiy of claim.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 13, 2013, 09:46:02 PM

Welcome back Ryu!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 13, 2013, 09:47:31 PM

Need one more so that they can practice crosses from both sides simultaneously.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 09:49:57 PM

I think KEA will be good next season for us.

Holman, Bent, Hutton, Ireland and Given out would be grand now, then 3-4 more Lambert specials in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 13, 2013, 09:51:47 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 09:45:43 PM

I don't mind admitting I'm getting a bit carried away.

Same.

And cheers Irish Villain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 10:33:44 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 09:45:47 PM

If anybody is interested I'm beginning a punctuation class.  Just the basics.  Fullstops, commas, question marks and the use of the appropriate number of exclamation marks with regard to the severiy of claim.

Y.E.S Please ; thankyou. X

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 10:41:56 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 09:45:47 PM

If anybody is interested I'm beginning a punctuation class.  Just the basics.  Fullstops, commas, question marks and the use of the appropriate number of exclamation marks with regard to the severiy of claim.

I hope you are severiy successful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2013, 10:42:07 PM

Just seen that we've signed Okore and Bacuna!!!!!!!Fucking hell!!!!!

I can't remember getting this excited about a new season in june for a long time because of pure excitement.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 13, 2013, 10:42:55 PM

!!!!!OMG!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie on June 13, 2013, 10:43:28 PM

Hope ... you include explanation of the possessive apostrophe, the colon and semi-colon, the correct use of brackets, use of inverted commas in speech and quotations , commas in lists, the apostrophe in plural settings and other such bullshit. If not that lovely Mr Gove will not be happy, and will set you an exam which will be at least 50 years out of date, and expect you to punctuate an obscure Shakespeare play. Coriolanus may be good as we are on the verge of a Roman sounding Danish forward.!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:14:43 PM

I think its whose to have a couple of experienced heads for leadership. Also regards GK can have a back up to Guzan. And the other guy zietgeist

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:17:29 PM

Do we need Murphy or any other midfielders I would only be happy with an experienced head like Barry or Parker both unlikely. We already have herd and Gardner. I am left wondering where Herdy and Gards are left with all these midfielders as they should be kept and given opportunity.  Albrighton and Bannan could feel a bit anxious of being part of first team. Defo out Dunne, Holman, Nzogbia Ireland now  we have these signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 13, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Baffled that, despite all of Lambo's statements & signings, people on here still suggest overpaid overaged underachieiving PL hacks. Forget Barry, Lescott or similar.

I doubt we will go for him, but I think it is a little harsh to label Gareth Barry an overpaid overaged underachieiving hack. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 13, 2013, 11:20:34 PM

If Bannan, Holman, N'Zogbia and Ireland go as expected there is still room for Herd and Gardner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:21:15 PM

Quote from: charlie on June 13, 2013, 10:43:28 PM

Hope ... you include explanation of the possessive apostrophe, the colon and semi-colon, the correct use of brackets, use of inverted commas in speech and quotations , commas in lists, the apostrophe in plural settings and other such bullshit. If not that lovely Mr Gove will not be happy, and will set you an exam which will be at least 50 years out of date, and expect you to punctuate an obscure Shakespeare play. Coriolanus may be good as we are on the verge of a Roman sounding Danish forward.!

Are you an English teacher?
Do you need counselling?
Mr Enville Ales has just given me loads of very useful, practical counselling, just in time for 5 lessons tomorrow, followed by Parents' Evening and the end of term concert, even tho' it's not the end of term!?

When I should be at home reading really important stuff right here!
And washing my replica kit and scarf, obviously.
And thinking up songs that rhyme with Okore!!!
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:22:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

Lolz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 13, 2013, 11:23:45 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 13, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Baffled that, despite all of Lambo's statements & signings, people on here still suggest overpaid overaged underachieiving PL hacks. Forget Barry, Lescott or similar.

I doubt we will go for him, but I think it is a little harsh to label Gareth Barry an overpaid overaged underachieiving hack. 

Its very harsh.  Of course he's not overaged or underachieving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2013, 11:24:52 PM

I can see a case for bringing Barry back but I know Lambert won't do it anyway. It also sounds much better in my mind that it would prove in practice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:24:56 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 13, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Baffled that, despite all of Lambo's statements & signings, people on here still suggest overpaid overaged underachieiving PL hacks. Forget Barry, Lescott or similar.

I don't think that's what people are suggesting. Nobody thinks we should sign Kevin Phillips and play him instead of Weimann, or drop Delph and put Barry in there.

There's a decent argument to be had that we could use a more experienced head in there from time to time. I thought that looked like something we missed - and sadly, Stan would have been the ideal candidate - particularly after that dreadful run over Christmas last year.

It looked to me like the effect of that 8-0, 4-0, 3-0 run lingered way, way after, and that the real damage wasn't in the zero points we took from those games, but in the weeks after when we still looked desperately short of confidence. Maybe a bit of a wiser head in there might have helped steady things, and be the bloke they looked to in the dressing room after a drubbing.

To extrapolate from that that people specifically want us to sign up wage spunking old hacks is unfair, because that's not what they're getting at.

We are signing more promising young players, which is great, but I do think there's a risk we're going to get carried away here. We still have a big job on, and the answer is almost certainly not always going to be young and hungry, it might turn out to be a mix.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:25:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

I love this paulie, just love it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:25:41 PM

A 30 plus experienced pro would be necessary for development of youth and its the premier league so have to be realistic that prem is a tough league and without experience can be a struggle! Barry would fit in middle and can play left back or in defence. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:26:57 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:25:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

I love this paulie, just love it!

Thanks, Franco!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:27:33 PM

Nothing personal against Barry, but I don't want him back. Maybe we can just be friends and meet up for a coffee. No tongues

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 13, 2013, 11:29:17 PM

I would much sooner have Milner as the experienced pro than Barry. In the style we play, Westwood does all that Barry does and more. He is not mobile enough for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:29:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

Quality post Nutsy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:29:59 PM

A 30 plus experienced pro would be necessary for development of youth and its the premier league so have to be realistic that prem is a tough league and without experience can be a struggle! Barry would fit in middle and can play left back or in defence. Barry could be off to spurs for 4 mil so i think he would rather come villa 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2013, 11:30:12 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

as long as the apostrophe doesn't suffer I can't get too exited by the work's of the APS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:31:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

I fully support their cause.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2013, 11:32:09 PM

Are you broadcasting in stereo tonight, villa kicks? I'm sure I've read that post before...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:35:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:26:57 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:25:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

I love this paulie, just love it!

Thanks, Franco!

actually u need to include helenuis and clark. Lucky im here to help

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:31:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

I fully support their cause.

They were getting all hot under the collar because there isn't an apostrophe in 'Princes Street' (Edinburgh). Turns out there never really was one. You'd think somebody had died, the way they were going on and on about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:38:48 PM

I also fully support the EPCS, the Epic Quote Fail Society.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:39:29 PM

What do you mean?









Twat

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:40:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:39:29 PM

What do you mean?









Twat

Spoilsport!


Knobber

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:41:35 PM

I support the JCTDF, the Society For Amazingly Inaccurate Acronyms

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 11:42:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:39:29 PM

What do you mean?









Twat

YESSSSS! Abusing a moderator. Hat trick!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:43:31 PM

I honestly think Barry could be great for us again - experienced, old head.
But, it would have to be on our (lower wage, shorter contract for his age) terms, not his!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:44:53 PM

I support The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2013, 11:45:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:17:29 PM

Do we need Murphy or any other midfielders I would only be happy with an experienced head like Barry or Parker both unlikely. We already have herd and Gardner. I am left wondering where Herdy and Gards are left with all these midfielders as they should be kept and given opportunity.  Albrighton and Bannan could feel a bit anxious of being part of first team. Defo out Dunne, Holman, Nzogbia Ireland now  we have these signings.

Due to their good performances towards the end of last season, I think Delph, Sylla and Westwood will go into pre-season as first choices.  That leaves Bacuna, KEA and Gardner challenging for places with Bannan and Holman left a little in limbo.  I just get the feeling Lambert doesn't see Clark and Herd as midfielders, so there might be room for one more midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:45:49 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2013, 11:42:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:39:29 PM

What do you mean?









Twat

YESSSSS! Abusing a moderator. Hat trick!!!

OK, I'll go quietly. Give me a bin bag and I'll clear my desk

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 13, 2013, 11:47:18 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 13, 2013, 11:32:09 PM

Are you broadcasting in stereo tonight, villa kicks? I'm sure I've read that post before...

Probably wants to be able to quote himself twice in his third post about 30yr old players.  That way he can prove all three of his personalities were agreeing with himself.

Either that or it's because no one is really paying attention.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2013, 11:50:53 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:41:35 PM

I support the JCTDF, the Society For Amazingly Inaccurate Acronyms

Just hope our new Greek striker, Acronym, IS ACCURATE!
;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 13, 2013, 11:51:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

Very good

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2013, 11:51:48 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:29:59 PM

A 30 plus experienced pro would be necessary for development of youth and its the premier league so have to be realistic that prem is a tough league and without experience can be a struggle! Barry would fit in middle and can play left back or in defence. Barry could be off to spurs for 4 mil so i think he would rather come villa 

Well there is something new to learn everyday!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 13, 2013, 11:54:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

There s no way he will start with Bacs and Tonez. Subz at best first 10 games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 14, 2013, 12:46:17 AM

Nobody come in for Bannan yet? I think he may end up on loan this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 14, 2013, 02:03:18 AM

Spot the dummy:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10118947/Stephen-Ireland-told-he-can-leave-Aston-Villa-by-manager-Paul-Lambert.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 14, 2013, 02:16:03 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

Listening to the radio and watching TV the Villa's transfer activity has been ignored. The papers have reported we've signed players. Nobody has gone, 'oh wow' - nationally speaking.

The fools. We are about to take over the world.  The World, I tell you! Heh heh heh...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 14, 2013, 02:24:59 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:31:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

I fully support their cause.

They were getting all hot under the collar because there isn't an apostrophe in 'Princes Street' (Edinburgh). Turns out there never really was one. You'd think somebody had died, the way they were going on and on about it.

Bunch if ignorant pricks. Everyone knows its an extra S that is missing, not an apostrophe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 14, 2013, 02:34:56 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 14, 2013, 02:24:59 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2013, 11:31:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 13, 2013, 11:06:19 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that there is an Apostrophe Protection Society. They sound like a right bunch of wanker's.

I fully support their cause.

They were getting all hot under the collar because there isn't an apostrophe in 'Princes Street' (Edinburgh). Turns out there never really was one. You'd think somebody had died, the way they were going on and on about it.

Bunch if ignorant pricks. Everyone knows its an extra S that is missing, not an apostrophe.

There's no extra 's' in 'street'. Everyone knows that. Huh.
I love apostrophe's, me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 07:01:14 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 13, 2013, 11:54:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

I'd go with:

Guzza

Benno - Rons - Okkers - Lowts

Bacs - Fabs - Westy - Tonez

Tekkers - Weimo

Subs: Gabz, Sylls, Gards, Herdy, Bowz, Bakesy, Albie.

Manager: Lambo

CEO: Faulksy

Chairman: The Randster.

There s no way he will start with Bacs and Tonez. Subz at best first 10 games.

In fairness af there's to say no way is a bit misguided- if the players have a good pre season and look the part in training he will pick them , bacuna and tonev are decent players and have every chance of starting the season if they impress.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 07:05:36 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 14, 2013, 02:16:03 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

Listening to the radio and watching TV the Villa's transfer activity has been ignored. The papers have reported we've signed players. Nobody has gone, 'oh wow' - nationally speaking.

The fools. We are about to take over the world.  The World, I tell you! Heh heh heh...

I could not believe we were about the 7th story down on the BBC football pages! Shows just how London/ Top 4 centric the media has become. Not even an article to find out more about these ones, which when you consider how Benteke turned out, and how slow it is news wise, might have been worth a bit of research and a good write up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 14, 2013, 07:43:06 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

I don't think it's even on other fans' radar. They're not big names. It's not main news on BBC or SSN. It will only be the hardcore Football Manager game players that might be taking notice if these players are any good in the game.

F'in ace isn't it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 14, 2013, 07:54:51 AM

Plenty of articles about the shite, overpaid wasters we're letting go, though...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on June 14, 2013, 07:56:11 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 14, 2013, 07:54:51 AM

Plenty of articles about the shite, overpaid wasters we're letting go, though...

Hopefully they will serve as good adverts for them, because some of their performances on the pitch won't have helped much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 14, 2013, 08:07:12 AM

I get the impression that if there is a monk on Tibet who can take a half decent free kick then Lambert is aware of it. As unknown as these new signings are, the indications are that they are bringing good qualities with them.

The nice thing is that the players he's signing now will have time to edge into the team, the same way that Sylla did and not have to be thrown straight in the way last summer's signings were.

I suspect the late excitement to be had this transfer window will be in who we get rid of. I look forward to an August 31st (September 2nd) of 'have we sold him yet?'.

* apostrophe friendly post, commas will be reworked at a later date

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 08:14:54 AM

I think that, inevitably, there will be one or two deals that go the distance and are only wrapped up at the last minute as agents, clubs and the Villa play chicken. Most likely the most expensive deal or deals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 14, 2013, 08:20:23 AM

Quote from: Lambonite on June 14, 2013, 07:43:06 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

I don't think it's even on other fans' radar. They're not big names. It's not main news on BBC or SSN. It will only be the hardcore Football Manager game players that might be taking notice if these players are any good in the game.

F'in ace isn't it!

Aaah yes, but come March they'll all be gnashing "Why did we not sign these?"  Why are they at a shit club like Villa?" as we steam past them into a comfortable top 8 finish.  Like they all did with Benteke this year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 14, 2013, 08:35:18 AM

I hope that you are right, I would settle for 8th and winning the FA Cup, but we can all dream!

Just need to start getting rid of the deadwood now, and then it will be a good summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 14, 2013, 08:35:51 AM

The only one that's got any air time has been okore because he was wanted by Chelsea and it was a way of asking him "why choose Villa and not Chelsea?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 08:36:10 AM

Alan Pardew is winning a battle to tweak Newcastle’s “Buy 'em young” policy by landing Darren Bent.

The £6million-rated Aston Villa striker is the subject of a scramble for his signature after being told his career at his current club is over.

Buying an established star of the 29-year-old's age would go against the Toon’s core desire to focus on players who are under 26 and therefore carry a sell-on value.

But manager Pardew has long argued that there should always be room for an exception - and, after last season's worrying brush with relegation, Bent is the man he wants.

Former Sunderland and Tottenham frontman Bent is a long-standing target of Pardew’s, after the pair worked together at Charlton Athletic.

If Newcastle push though their interest and make a deal for Bent work, it would be a major sign of backing to the manager who was under fire last season after such a poor showing.

Bent’s past as a hero for their arch-rivals from Wearside represents no bar to the Magpies' interest, although they face competition from the likes of Fulham as well as negotiations over Bent’s current £70,000-a-week wages.

Bent is said to be keen on a switch to St James’ Park and a fresh start after spending much of last season on the bench or sidelined by first-year Villa boss Paul Lambert.

He would also increase the English contingent in a squad some feel is overstocked with Frenchmen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 14, 2013, 08:40:22 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 07:05:36 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 14, 2013, 02:16:03 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

Listening to the radio and watching TV the Villa's transfer activity has been ignored. The papers have reported we've signed players. Nobody has gone, 'oh wow' - nationally speaking.

The fools. We are about to take over the world.  The World, I tell you! Heh heh heh...

I could not believe we were about the 7th story down on the BBC football pages! Shows just how London/ Top 4 centric the media has become. Not even an article to find out more about these ones, which when you consider how Benteke turned out, and how slow it is news wise, might have been worth a bit of research and a good write up.

I agree,
but then if say Everton or Newcastle were buying a load of unknown foreigners I would probably think the same, and not have a great deal of interest.
It's a Villa thing at the moment, a couple of young players no ones heard of isn't likely to make big news on SSN,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 08:41:22 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 14, 2013, 08:20:23 AM

Aaah yes, but come March they'll all be gnashing "Why did we not sign these?"  Why are they at a shit club like Villa?" as we steam past them into a comfortable top 8 finish.  Like they all did with Benteke this year.

Yep - I'm delighted that people are not trumpeting these signings all over the place. I'm hoping that there's a growing realisation of the good business we've done as we string the results together.

Doubtless, though, they'll be plenty of smart-arse journos claiming to have twigged it, in hindsight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2013, 08:46:41 AM

Without Bent, the Geordies will struggle again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 09:00:19 AM

Any idea what the transfer fees were for yesterday's signings?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2013, 09:01:58 AM

£4 million for Okore and £1.5 million for Bacuna.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 14, 2013, 09:08:12 AM

I still think he'll look to buy another Central midfielder. He seems to like balance (in terms of a leftie and rightie) all over the pitch, so I could see him getting rid of Bannan but going for another left-footed central midfielder to rotate with Delph. Will Hughes maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 09:18:10 AM

I reckon Will Hughes would cost a bit too much for us. I'm not sure we've got the spare cash to have a 5-10m player on the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 14, 2013, 09:24:37 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 09:18:10 AM

I reckon Will Hughes would cost a bit too much for us. I'm not sure we've got the spare cash to have a 5-10m player on the bench.

I don't think that Lambert is buying any player to sit on the bench. They will all be expected to fight it out to see who gets on the pitch. Whoever is left out goes on the bench, price or reputation will mean nothing .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

Seems newcastle are keen on bent but they are not prepared to pay £6m and want villa to lower the price according to Ssn.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jim Shoes on June 14, 2013, 09:28:01 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 14, 2013, 09:08:12 AM

I still think he'll look to buy another Central midfielder. He seems to like balance (in terms of a leftie and rightie) all over the pitch, so I could see him getting rid of Bannan but going for another left-footed central midfielder to rotate with Delph. Will Hughes maybe?

Possibly but remember we have Gary Gardner (as long as he is over his injuries) to come back this season so we may already have enough.

We still need more defenders imo, even if they are cover at fullback. Yes we can move CH's or midfielder's to cover if needed but I prefer to see specialist in key positions.

I will always be thankful to Darren Bent as without his goals when he signed we would have gone down however he is too good a player to be on the bench (and on occasion behind Bowery!) so even if he goes to a detestable club like the bar codes I wish him well.

I'm really enjoying this summer so far and it will be even better if I hear Given, Ireland, Bannan, Holman, Hutton are sold or released, along with a few others who's names I can't be arsed to recall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 09:34:17 AM

SteveN, you've just made me shudder. Although, Mitchinson did score a cracker once, against Norwich I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa-Villan on June 14, 2013, 09:39:43 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2013, 08:46:41 AM

Without Bent, the Geordies will struggle again.

Well in that case, I hope he doesn't sign for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 14, 2013, 09:40:00 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Making me shudder too. The glory days, NOT! I hope the new breed are a lot better than those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2013, 09:42:12 AM

If (and it's a big if) Newcastle have offered us £6m for Bent then i'd tell them to go away add a few more million onto it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2013, 09:44:21 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 14, 2013, 09:42:12 AM

If (and it's a big if) Newcastle have offered us £6m for Bent then i'd tell them to go away add a few more million onto it.

Yes. For anything less  no and he can stay a cover.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 09:45:19 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 08:36:10 AM

Alan Pardew is winning a battle to tweak Newcastle’s “Buy 'em young” policy by landing Darren Bent.

The £6million-rated Aston Villa striker is the subject of a scramble for his signature after being told his career at his current club is over.

Buying an established star of the 29-year-old's age would go against the Toon’s core desire to focus on players who are under 26 and therefore carry a sell-on value.

But manager Pardew has long argued that there should always be room for an exception - and, after last season's worrying brush with relegation, Bent is the man he wants.

Former Sunderland and Tottenham frontman Bent is a long-standing target of Pardew’s, after the pair worked together at Charlton Athletic.

If Newcastle push though their interest and make a deal for Bent work, it would be a major sign of backing to the manager who was under fire last season after such a poor showing.

Bent’s past as a hero for their arch-rivals from Wearside represents no bar to the Magpies' interest, although they face competition from the likes of Fulham as well as negotiations over Bent’s current £70,000-a-week wages.

Bent is said to be keen on a switch to St James’ Park and a fresh start after spending much of last season on the bench or sidelined by first-year Villa boss Paul Lambert.

He would also increase the English contingent in a squad some feel is overstocked with Frenchmen.

i don't buy this . Cisse would have to be sold - possible- as bent and him would nt work together. Also there is nt sell on value for newcastle not policy to sign him. Demba ba is more likely to rejoin if they were signing someone to replace cisse and not high earner bent. Stoke Fulham or west ham most likely i think 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tjmill on June 14, 2013, 09:47:44 AM

Think Vila should go for Everton  winger Drenthe if he is poss leaving for Reading. Always looked god last year and would fit in wel to our style. Available for around £4m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 14, 2013, 09:49:19 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

Mid sixties Aftab. Barry Stobart played in the 1960 Cup Final for Wolves. Mitchinson had a bit of skill and Dave Pountney was a limited midfielder who got stuck in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 09:52:03 AM

Aftab, not only have I heard of them; I suffered watching them.  But all in all it's what being a Villa fan is all about.  When I look back over my time following the Villa, I wouldn't have missed a second of it, good or bad.

Mitchinson we got from Mansfield, Pountney from Shrewsbury but, not sure if Stobart came directly from Wolves or elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 14, 2013, 09:54:45 AM

If Drenthe was that good, he wouldnt be going to Reading.  That seems a lot of money to me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 14, 2013, 09:57:00 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 14, 2013, 09:42:12 AM

If (and it's a big if) Newcastle have offered us £6m for Bent then i'd tell them to go away add a few more million onto it.

Hardly in a good bargaining position are we as we are clearly not going to play him. Best we can hope for is more than one club want him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2013, 09:57:27 AM

Quote from: tjmill on June 14, 2013, 09:47:44 AM

Think Vila should go for Everton  winger Drenthe if he is poss leaving for Reading. Always looked god last year and would fit in wel to our style. Available for around £4m

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 14, 2013, 09:59:10 AM

Quote from: tjmill on June 14, 2013, 09:47:44 AM

Think Vila should go for Everton  winger Drenthe if he is poss leaving for Reading. Always looked god last year and would fit in wel to our style. Available for around £4m

Are you his bloody agent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 14, 2013, 10:04:38 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 09:52:03 AM

Aftab, not only have I heard of them; I suffered watching them.  But all in all it's what being a Villa fan is all about.  When I look back over my time following the Villa, I wouldn't have missed a second of it, good or bad.

Mitchinson we got from Mansfield, Pountney from Shrewsbury but, not sure if Stobart came directly from Wolves or elsewhere.

Pountney ran sports shop in Shrewsbury after retiring. Always happy to chat about Villa if you told him you were a fan although no discounts provided!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2013, 10:06:46 AM

Drenthe was one of the hot young things of European football not too long ago and is still only 26.  Playing wise, he could be the other option at LB we probably need.  And £4m isn't a bad price.  However, I've got a feeling his attitude sucks, which would be a big no for Lambert, and he'll probably want a bigger wage than we're paying at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2013, 10:13:35 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 14, 2013, 10:06:46 AM

Drenthe was one of the hot younf things of European football not too long ago and is still only 26.  Playing wise, he could be the other option at LB we probably need. 

I always thought he was a right back?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on June 14, 2013, 10:15:28 AM

Royston Drenthe is a bad apple, I don't think Lambo would be in for him in million years.

Quote

In March 2012, Drenthe was given a leave of absence on compassionate grounds and, upon returning, he reported late for training. This resulted in manager David Moyes omitting the player from Everton's FA Cup semi-final squad. He was caught on CCTV breaking into the training ground with two birds whom he proceeded to nail in the gym and was told to stay away from the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2013, 10:16:56 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 14, 2013, 09:49:19 AM

Mid sixties Aftab. Barry Stobart played in the 1960 Cup Final for Wolves. Mitchinson had a bit of skill and Dave Pountney was a limited midfielder who got stuck in.

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 09:52:03 AM

Aftab, not only have I heard of them; I suffered watching them.  But all in all it's what being a Villa fan is all about.  When I look back over my time following the Villa, I wouldn't have missed a second of it, good or bad.

Mitchinson we got from Mansfield, Pountney from Shrewsbury but, not sure if Stobart came directly from Wolves or elsewhere.

Ah well I know who to talk to if I want to disect exactly why we got relegated to the Third!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 14, 2013, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 09:52:03 AM

Aftab, not only have I heard of them; I suffered watching them.  But all in all it's what being a Villa fan is all about.  When I look back over my time following the Villa, I wouldn't have missed a second of it, good or bad.

Mitchinson we got from Mansfield, Pountney from Shrewsbury but, not sure if Stobart came directly from Wolves or elsewhere.

Manchester City according to here www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/villa/villa.htm

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:19:28 AM

No better man Aftab, as they say around here, no better man. 

Would like to meet up sometime I'm home and go over old times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:22:14 AM

Thanks Dave, I had a feeling we didn't sign Stobart directly from Wolves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:27:03 AM

Quote from: tjmill on June 14, 2013, 09:47:44 AM

Think Vila should go for Everton  winger Drenthe if he is poss leaving for Reading. Always looked god last year and would fit in wel to our style. Available for around £4m

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Ha very good. I mean if QPR were still in EPL then they would spunk some money on him. He would actually suit campeonato Brasileiro série a!! Both the lifestyle and playing footie over there would compliment his sporting personality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 14, 2013, 10:29:09 AM

Quote from: Ryu on June 13, 2013, 09:06:35 PM

Haven't posted on here in quite a while but can't help myself at the minute!  I come home from work and do my usual scan of transfer rumors (including this thread) and see the mirror article linking us with Bacuna and Okore and think that these will be the kind of transfers that drag on a bit.  Then I check the OS and see them both stretching the snazzy new home kit! 

I know nothing of Bacuna or Tonev and only very little about Okore but I trust Lambert's judgement on the first two and with Okore I think lots of people on here have the same feeling when you can just tell we have a proper player.  No centre half is nearly the finished article at 20 but he appears to have all the attributes you need.

We could do with some full back and GK cover but I think most of the starting 11  earned a chance to keep their places in the last third of the season.  I'm looking forward to a squad of young players competing with each other for a first team place.  They're all players on the rise as well, so no one should be wearing The Villa shirt who sees it as a step down.  I'm getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm a happy Villain right now!

Edit: Also credit to Lambert and the board for getting these deals done early when most people in football appear to be on their hols!

UTV

Exactly as I see it Ryu. Life as a Villa fan is brilliant and bloody exciting at the moment. If Benteke signs a new contract and Helenuis signs I won't care if we don't sign anyone else. I'm so looking forward to next season already, the first time in a few years.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 14, 2013, 10:29:48 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:22:14 AM

Thanks Dave, I had a feeling we didn't sign Stobart directly from Wolves.

Prego. That site is fascinating.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:44:58 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

These youngsters don't know the meaning of misery do they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 14, 2013, 10:45:38 AM

Who we signing today? Don't tell me nobody or I'm not going to be impressed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on June 14, 2013, 10:55:50 AM

If rumours are true that Fulham are also interested in Bent then I think that would be his prefered destination.
Lives in Cambridge, commutable to london.

Plus, sod the barcodes. Would love them to go south again next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

Old gits. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 11:13:54 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

John Woodward was signed as Tony Hateley's replacement at centre forward. He very quickly got himself crocked and was out for the season as I recall. All the time we were sliding down the league we were constantly assured that when Woodward was fit again all would be roses. When he eventually returned to fitness, Tony Hateley he certainly wasn't. I think he may have been sold soon after.

Tommy Mitchenson  was a tidy little player with great ball control, although not too quick. My main memory of him was when he picked the ball up just inside our half and dribbled down the right wing alongside the Witton Land stand, cut in towards goal, all the time dribbling around defenders, finally tapping the ball into the net having eluded the grasp of the goalie. For such a memorable goal, I still can't remember who we were playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

if your looking on other clubs sites, I wonder what our nearest and dearest think of all this activity.......I can't look myself as it hurts my eyes..

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 14, 2013, 11:21:02 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

if your looking on other clubs sites, I wonder what our nearest and dearest think of all this activity.......I can't look myself as it hurts my eyes..

UTV
The Doc

Not looking at other Clubs sites, just reading comments on BBC, Sky, Daily Mail etc and fans of other clubs are commenting on our signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:24:30 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 11:21:02 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

if your looking on other clubs sites, I wonder what our nearest and dearest think of all this activity.......I can't look myself as it hurts my eyes..

UTV
The Doc

Not looking at other Clubs sites, just reading comments on BBC, Sky, Daily Mail etc and fans of other clubs are commenting on our signings.

They are just jealous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on June 14, 2013, 11:25:39 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:24:30 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 11:21:02 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

if your looking on other clubs sites, I wonder what our nearest and dearest think of all this activity.......I can't look myself as it hurts my eyes..

UTV
The Doc

Not looking at other Clubs sites, just reading comments on BBC, Sky, Daily Mail etc and fans of other clubs are commenting on our signings.

They are just jealous.

Righly f$*king so:)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2013, 11:27:58 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

Seems newcastle are keen on bent but they are not prepared to pay £6m and want villa to lower the price according to Ssn.

f**k em .we should be asking for more. He scores goals .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:29:41 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2013, 11:27:58 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

Seems newcastle are keen on bent but they are not prepared to pay £6m and want villa to lower the price according to Ssn.

f**k em .we should be asking for more. He scores goals .

At least 10 million, at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 11:31:15 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

Old gits. ;)

Now now young man, get back to drumming up new buys

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:38:50 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 11:31:15 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

Old gits. ;)

Now now young man, get back to drumming up new buys

Did your PM'S come through ok ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 11:49:10 AM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 11:13:54 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

John Woodward was signed as Tony Hateley's replacement at centre forward. He very quickly got himself crocked and was out for the season as I recall. All the time we were sliding down the league we were constantly assured that when Woodward was fit again all would be roses. When he eventually returned to fitness, Tony Hateley he certainly wasn't. I think he may have been sold soon after.

Tommy Mitchenson  was a tidy little player with great ball control, although not too quick. My main memory of him was when he picked the ball up just inside our half and dribbled down the right wing alongside the Witton Land stand, cut in towards goal, all the time dribbling around defenders, finally tapping the ball into the net having eluded the grasp of the goalie. For such a memorable goal, I still can't remember who we were playing.

That's the goal I was referring to in my earlier post.  I'm almost certain it was against Norwich.

Woodward was typical of the type of player we were signing back then...other clubs' reserves.  Max 20-25k spend. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:53:46 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 11:21:02 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on June 14, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

if your looking on other clubs sites, I wonder what our nearest and dearest think of all this activity.......I can't look myself as it hurts my eyes..

UTV
The Doc

Not looking at other Clubs sites, just reading comments on BBC, Sky, Daily Mail etc and fans of other clubs are commenting on our signings.

sorry I thought that said other clubs sites, must learn to read the posts properly. apologies

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 11:54:44 AM

Just spent the last 2 hours watching the dvd of last season - mixture of the good, the bad and the ugly but looking at our new signings they could add a lot in  terms of options and strength in depth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 11:59:48 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 11:49:10 AM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 11:13:54 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Or Dave Rudge, Dave Roberts, Brian Greenhagh and John Woodward.

This is fun.

John Woodward was signed as Tony Hateley's replacement at centre forward. He very quickly got himself crocked and was out for the season as I recall. All the time we were sliding down the league we were constantly assured that when Woodward was fit again all would be roses. When he eventually returned to fitness, Tony Hateley he certainly wasn't. I think he may have been sold soon after.

Tommy Mitchenson  was a tidy little player with great ball control, although not too quick. My main memory of him was when he picked the ball up just inside our half and dribbled down the right wing alongside the Witton Land stand, cut in towards goal, all the time dribbling around defenders, finally tapping the ball into the net having eluded the grasp of the goalie. For such a memorable goal, I still can't remember who we were playing.

That's the goal I was referring to in my earlier post.  I'm almost certain it was against Norwich.

Woodward was typical of the type of player we were signing back then...other clubs' reserves.  Max 20-25k spend. 

Remember him scoring with a diving header right in front of me as I looked through the pitch railings...remember them?                Pitch railings ,now that shows your age doesn't it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 14, 2013, 12:09:28 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2013, 11:27:58 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

Seems newcastle are keen on bent but they are not prepared to pay £6m and want villa to lower the price according to Ssn.

f**k em .we should be asking for more. He scores goals .

Fulham and now Cardiff are also interested so we might be able to get a little bidding war going.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:10:35 PM

Went on the tour when i was over last year got quite emotional when i saw what they've done to the Witton end,
bring back the mud slide i say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 14, 2013, 12:20:53 PM

The way us old uns are reminiscing I can see the mods consigning us to a corner of the site where they occasionally bring us tea in a beaker and check our incontinence pads only letting us post when they are sure there is more than one marble floating around.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

Can we have " I am really old, with a great memory and all you youngsters should take note" type thread ? 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on June 14, 2013, 12:45:02 PM

Quote from: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

When the ball hits the net, it's not Charlie or Brett, it's Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 14, 2013, 12:56:53 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on June 14, 2013, 10:55:50 AM

If rumours are true that Fulham are also interested in Bent then I think that would be his prefered destination.
Lives in Cambridge, commutable to london.

Plus, sod the barcodes. Would love them to go south again next season.

Yeah I think Fulham would be a good move for him and a partnership with Berbatov looks good on paper.  Not sure it would be great for us though if he goes to a club we are looking to overtake next season and starts banging goals in, so from a purely selfish point of view, I'd like to see him sold to a foreign club. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on June 14, 2013, 01:09:49 PM

If Bent wants to go to Brazil then he needs to play regular footy, score in excess of at least 10 league goals and play at a high profile club or at least one down south. It's a pity QPR went down that would have been ideal.

So assuming West Ham aren't going to give a proven goalscorer £100k a week for 6 years when they want Carroll ( he must have a bloody good agent) I would agree Fulham is his best bet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 01:16:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

Can we have " I am really old, with a great memory and all you youngsters should take note" type thread ? 8)

If it means you'll not be getting under our feet and grumbling about the weather/state of the country/modern media you most certainly can old chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Who taught the geriatrics how to use the internet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:22:50 PM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.   

the real reason I posed that question is I was really asking how would we feel if another club had gone down this path to signing exciting stars from other countries? Look back to say 2007-2009 when all we seemed to do was sign expensive domestic talent while for a fraction of the price other clubs were signing players good or better from all across the world, let alone just Europe. We were crying out for a scouting network that extended beyond these shores and it now appears we have one, and a good one at that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 01:46:39 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Who taught the geriatrics how to use the internet?

Oy - I went through rationing for the likes of you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 14, 2013, 02:10:24 PM

What's happened to Jed Steer? I'm holding back on having my shirt name printed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 14, 2013, 02:13:48 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Who taught the geriatrics how to use the internet?

Careful ... I was starting to warm to you Ads !!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 14, 2013, 02:40:58 PM

long

Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Who taught the geriatrics how to use the internet?

It was the geriatrics who invented it. Along witht the rest of the IT world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 14, 2013, 02:59:55 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

...
Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

Crowther would have departed by then for ManU.

Most likely Vic Crowe at right half, Pat Saward no, 6 and Jimmy MacEwan on the right wing.

The 60's are what made some of last year's extreme gnashing of teeth (no pun intended) so pathetic. True decline is when your club sells the training ground because it needs the money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 03:08:08 PM

Quote from: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

thumbs up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 14, 2013, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 03:08:08 PM

Quote from: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

thumbs up

Like it. Easy tune to sing to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

I didn't realise there were quite so many of us oldies on this forum. Maybe we should have a special Seniors section in order not to bore the arse off everyone else.

I go back to the early '50's although don't ask me the names of the players as I was one of those small kids they used to pass to the front to peer through the blue railings, as someone has already said. I do remember seeing Stanley Mathews play at Villa Park, but my earliest actual hero was Peter McParland.

Oh, and godzvilla - Although he was on the books in the late '60's, I don't believe Oscar Arce ever actually played a game for the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:20:40 PM

Its refreshing to hear these things - some people have surprised me with their age for example aftab , i go back to the mid 70s but love hearing of older days .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 03:35:01 PM

I am 31 tomorrow and feel very old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:39:18 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 03:35:01 PM

I am 31 tomorrow and feel very old.

I didn't realise that anyone was only 31 any more.

Happy birthday kiddo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 03:42:14 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 03:35:01 PM

I am 31 tomorrow and feel very old.

Happy birthday kid. Enjoy your 30's as much as you possibly can. You're a lot wiser than when you were in your 20's and can still move parts of your body that you'll appreciate when you hit your 40's. Use them well ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:43:15 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 03:35:01 PM

I am 31 tomorrow and feel very old.

Have a good one ozz and enjoy your new shirt - you don't look a day over 40 ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:46:05 PM

@CallumRobinson7: After 10 years of being at Aston Villa I'm happy to say I have just signed my first professional contract with them! #AVFC #buzzing

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 14, 2013, 03:51:43 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 03:35:01 PM

I am 31 tomorrow and feel very old.

I'm double your age and still feel young:-)

And good news ref; Callum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 03:52:30 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:46:05 PM

@CallumRobinson7: After 10 years of being at Aston Villa I'm happy to say I have just signed my first professional contract with them! #AVFC #buzzing

Is that a different yoof to the one who signed the other day? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 04:02:18 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 03:52:30 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:46:05 PM

@CallumRobinson7: After 10 years of being at Aston Villa I'm happy to say I have just signed my first professional contract with them! #AVFC #buzzing

Is that a different yoof to the one who signed the other day? 

yes, that was Daniel Johnson

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2013, 04:28:17 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 14, 2013, 03:52:30 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:46:05 PM

@CallumRobinson7: After 10 years of being at Aston Villa I'm happy to say I have just signed my first professional contract with them! #AVFC #buzzing

Is that a different yoof to the one who signed the other day? 

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/AcademyProfile/0,,10265~2388276,00.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2013, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 03:46:05 PM

@CallumRobinson7: After 10 years of being at Aston Villa I'm happy to say I have just signed my first professional contract with them! #AVFC #buzzing

Don't s'pose you'll read this but well done, congrats and all the best for the future Callum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:03:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 03:08:08 PM

Quote from: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

thumbs up

One of your best posts...well done  my lad ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 05:19:41 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:03:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 03:08:08 PM

Quote from: Astral Weeks on June 14, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 10:48:22 AM

Quote from: Lambstewbert on June 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2013, 01:41:03 AM

I wonder what fans of other clubs are making of us buying these players? At least those around us who have done little or nothing this summer.

A lot of fans from other Clubs especially Chelski think we have got a bargain with Okore. I've been reading different sites and comments from other fans are very praising of the players we are signing.

When he has the ball
the villa fans roar its Okore !!

You wont get the ball
he wont let you score
its okore

When the ball's in the air
And big Ron isn't there
It's Okore

When you can't get a kick
And you think "Fuck - he's quick!"
It's Okore.

thumbs up

One of your best posts...well done  my lad ;D

well thanks man. a person like me believes every next time i post it will be the best post i ever made. Because i just made it. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:28:12 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

I didn't realise there were quite so many of us oldies on this forum. Maybe we should have a special Seniors section in order not to bore the arse off everyone else.

I go back to the early '50's although don't ask me the names of the players as I was one of those small kids they used to pass to the front to peer through the blue railings, as someone has already said. I do remember seeing Stanley Mathews play at Villa Park, but my earliest actual hero was Peter McParland.

Oh, and godzvilla - Although he was on the books in the late '60's, I don't believe Oscar Arce ever actually played a game for the Villa.

Yes the midfield of Jimmy Brown, Oscar Arce and Barrie Hole was the one we were all waiting to watch on MOD

And Peter MacP was my favourite too...My Dad took me to his house on Slade Road and introduced me to him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 05:48:18 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:28:12 PM

And Peter MacP was my favourite too...My Dad took me to his house on Slade Road and introduced me to him

You lucky, jammy bastard. Some kids get all the luck.

I heard him on the radio recently, somehow it makes you feel much younger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 05:58:22 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:28:12 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

I didn't realise there were quite so many of us oldies on this forum. Maybe we should have a special Seniors section in order not to bore the arse off everyone else.

I go back to the early '50's although don't ask me the names of the players as I was one of those small kids they used to pass to the front to peer through the blue railings, as someone has already said. I do remember seeing Stanley Mathews play at Villa Park, but my earliest actual hero was Peter McParland.

Oh, and godzvilla - Although he was on the books in the late '60's, I don't believe Oscar Arce ever actually played a game for the Villa.

Yes the midfield of Jimmy Brown, Oscar Arce and Barrie Hole was the one we were all waiting to watch on MOD

And Peter MacP was my favourite too...My Dad took me to his house on Slade Road and introduced me to him

don't worry chaps we won't be shipping out the more experienced heads on the forum despite. H&V don't just go with young hungry creative posters they know what it means to have a mix of experience on the site. Reading this stuff i have no idea to some extent what's going on - however its been noted peeps ain't got a clue what im on about. Anyways i still think this is a sign that experience is needed both on here and in the avfc team ! Lets bring that discussion 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 05:58:40 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 05:28:12 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

I didn't realise there were quite so many of us oldies on this forum. Maybe we should have a special Seniors section in order not to bore the arse off everyone else.

I go back to the early '50's although don't ask me the names of the players as I was one of those small kids they used to pass to the front to peer through the blue railings, as someone has already said. I do remember seeing Stanley Mathews play at Villa Park, but my earliest actual hero was Peter McParland.

Oh, and godzvilla - Although he was on the books in the late '60's, I don't believe Oscar Arce ever actually played a game for the Villa.

Yes the midfield of Jimmy Brown, Oscar Arce and Barrie Hole was the one we were all waiting to watch on MOD

And Peter MacP was my favourite too...My Dad took me to his house on Slade Road and introduced me to him

don't worry chaps we won't be shipping out the more experienced heads on the forum despite. H&V don't just go with young hungry creative posters they know what it means to have a mix of experience on the site. Reading this stuff i have no idea to some extent what's going on - however its been noted peeps ain't got a clue what im on about. Anyways i still think this is a sign that experience is needed both on here and in the avfc team ! Lets bring that discussion 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 14, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Jesus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2013, 06:20:15 PM

Have you ever tried starting a sentence on a predictive phone, and just hitting the middle word that is suggested after the last. I am more and more convinced that is what VK is doing in his posts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 14, 2013, 06:21:38 PM

I think whoever suggested he was typing with his dobber is closer to the mark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

He'll probably have to get past Drennan and Burke first. Unless they're out on loan, which I think would be good for them. But Robinson is very promising, as is Sellars at a younger level from what I've seen and heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 06:35:58 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

He'll probably have to get past Drennan and Burke first. Unless they're out on loan, which I think would be good for them. But Robinson is very promising, as is Sellars at a younger level from what I've seen and heard.

Don't forget grealish maz!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 07:09:57 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

He'll probably have to get past Drennan and Burke first. Unless they're out on loan, which I think would be good for them. But Robinson is very promising, as is Sellars at a younger level from what I've seen and heard.

Drennan really depends how he comes back from injury but I thought he was more central anyway and Burke I'm not sure about, doesn't have the wow factor of Grealish and Robinson from the limited time I've seen him.

Very early to judge but I think Robinson can come in and surprise a few defenders as he's got a very good first touch and is very quick.

Grealish I'll give a bit more time because I really want him come through in the centre of midfield where I think he could be a bit special.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 14, 2013, 07:15:36 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 07:09:57 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

He'll probably have to get past Drennan and Burke first. Unless they're out on loan, which I think would be good for them. But Robinson is very promising, as is Sellars at a younger level from what I've seen and heard.

Robinson I really do think has chances. He has the skill and work ethic that Lambert likes.

Drennan really depends how he comes back from injury but I thought he was more central anyway and Burke I'm not sure about, doesn't have the wow factor of Grealish and Robinson from the limited time I've seen him.

Very early to judge but I think Robinson can come in and surprise a few defenders as he's got a very good first touch and is very quick.

Grealish I'll give a bit more time because I really want him come through in the centre of midfield where I think he could be a bit special.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 07:17:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 14, 2013, 06:35:58 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 06:27:22 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 04:30:17 PM

Great news on Callum Robinson, I can see him coming through for a few games next year, looks ideal as an option to fill in for gabby for the odd cameo.

He'll probably have to get past Drennan and Burke first. Unless they're out on loan, which I think would be good for them. But Robinson is very promising, as is Sellars at a younger level from what I've seen and heard.

Don't forget grealish maz!

I was talking strikers. Grealish will certainly figure at some point in the next 18 months I'd have thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 07:18:53 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 14, 2013, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: ROBBO on June 14, 2013, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 12:35:10 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 14, 2013, 12:24:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

I first went to VP in early 1967 at the age of 8 so caught the back end of the team that got relegated - Phillips, Aitken, Wright, Hole, Chatterley, Tiler et al.

Tch - you youngsters, 1959 against Ipswich and although I can't remember my own telephone number, without searching I think the team would have been Sims- Lynn - Aldis - Saward - Dugdale - right half Crowther? - Smith?- Dixon- Hitchins - Wylie - McParland.

Roger S and Brian Green of this parish go back way further I think.

So do I, a lot further, and i'm not happy about it.

And lets not forget the indefatigable Johnny ' Slogger ' Sleeuwenhoek and  the magical  Jimmy MacEwan  ( who I once saw beat 4 players by lobbing the ball over their heads , running round them , catching it on his instep and repeating the process ....4 times ! ) .  Oh ...... and the aptly named  Oscar Arce ! ................Godzvilla ! ( Golden Ager )

I didn't realise there were quite so many of us oldies on this forum. Maybe we should have a special Seniors section in order not to bore the arse off everyone else.

I go back to the early '50's although don't ask me the names of the players as I was one of those small kids they used to pass to the front to peer through the blue railings, as someone has already said. I do remember seeing Stanley Mathews play at Villa Park, but my earliest actual hero was Peter McParland.

Oh, and godzvilla - Although he was on the books in the late '60's, I don't believe Oscar Arce ever actually played a game for the Villa.

You are more or less right E.I.Adio  , although he apparently played a few games for the Reserves in the then Central League ....this is a post on the subject dated June 16th 2011 , Author / Posters name was ' Oscar Arce ' ................Godzvilla!
" Yep, he joined as an amateur and actually was better than his brother.
Oscar was 'allegedly' an Argentinian Under 23 International (although his CV seemed a little 'creative') who was engaged to a Scottish girl he met whilst she was on a gap year in Argentina, he came over to the UK with her and was running an antique shop in Glasgow when he thought he'd 'try his luck' and write to Villa.
He had'nt played for two years, was unfit, but could juggle a ball like a circus act, but was hailed as a hero without really doing anything of note, and was bound to fail, his first game a 2-0 defeat at non-league Bedford Town culminated in him being sent off for spitting at an 'over-zealous' opponent, eager to kick lumps out of this skilful foreigner.
He scored a swerving free kick in a Central League game but after just seven reserve appearances and one goal he suffered a knee injury and was carried off to hospital to have an operation and that was the end of Oscar.
His brother, Hector Fullone, was younger, fitter and more attuned to robust challenges, he scored a few goals for the reserves and played more games, but they both returned to relative obscurity back in Argentina when Tommy Docherty arrved at the club.
Interestingly, Luis 'Oscar' Fullone Arce became a respected coach, mainly in Africa, and coached until quite recently.

And the infamous half - back line of Brown, Arce, Hole never actually played together ! " .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 08:22:16 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 01:16:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

Can we have " I am really old, with a great memory and all you youngsters should take note" type thread ? 8)

If it means you'll not be getting under our feet and grumbling about the weather/state of the country/modern media you most certainly can old chap.

I promise, i promise. Can we have one please ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2013, 08:31:01 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 08:22:16 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 01:16:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 12:07:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 14, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:21 AM

Quote from: SteveN on June 14, 2013, 09:19:33 AM

I like the understatement of the nature of our signings and the lack of press interest.  I read a fair amount of football related material and have not heard of any of our signings to date.

Takes you back to the old days before the internet and wall to wall football coverage on TV and in the press when we bought players no-one had heard of.  For the teenagers, Barry Stobart, Tommy Mitchinson, Dave Poutney....I could go on.   

Teenagers? I am 50+ and been supporting Villa since I could walk out of the house on me own and I have not heard of these names!

What about Charlie Aitken then, Alan Baker , Mike Tindall and Colin Withers?

Charlie yes not the other two. My "life" started with Cumbes, Wright, Curtis, Tyler, Atkin, Godfrey, McMahon, Hamilton,  Lochhead Vowden, Anderson.

Can we have " I am really old, with a great memory and all you youngsters should take note" type thread ? 8)

If it means you'll not be getting under our feet and grumbling about the weather/state of the country/modern media you most certainly can old chap.

I promise, i promise. Can we have one please ?

It's called Villa Memories, it has it's own forum and everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on June 14, 2013, 08:35:55 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 14, 2013, 07:18:53 PM

And the infamous half - back line of Brown, Arce, Hole never actually played together ! " .

Those three would have been good playing in front of Wright and Aitken

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 08:49:48 PM

Freidal (along with 9 other spurs players) surplus to requirements so what im saying is he can provide a years cover and gk experience then take a coaching role 42year old. Great player and professional knows the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 08:50:06 PM

Need some support in the experience camp

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 14, 2013, 08:58:56 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 08:49:48 PM

Freidal (along with 9 other spurs players) surplus to requirements so what im saying is he can provide a years cover and gk experience then take a coaching role 42year old. Great player and professional knows the club.

Yep - agree. I mooted Sorenson in a prior post but if Older Brad is available then well worth a year.

Defo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2013, 09:03:45 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 14, 2013, 08:58:56 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 14, 2013, 08:49:48 PM

Freidal (along with 9 other spurs players) surplus to requirements so what im saying is he can provide a years cover and gk experience then take a coaching role 42year old. Great player and professional knows the club.

Yep - agree. I mooted Sorenson in a prior post but if Older Brad is available then well worth a year.

Defo.

Not for me .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 14, 2013, 09:08:44 PM

Freidel is a top man but no longer a premier league keeper so I don't see the point.

A number 2 keeper is somebody you essentially trust with playing for a whole season as they can find themselves in there due to form or injury.
I wouldn't trust Freidel in that situation any more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 14, 2013, 09:33:37 PM

According to The Villa Times facebook page, Enda Stevens has been told he can leave.
There were no spelling mistakes so it may not be genuine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 09:35:57 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 14, 2013, 09:33:37 PM

According to The Villa Times facebook page, Enda Stevens has been told he can leave.
There were no spelling mistakes so it may not be genuine.

Stop starting rumours gervilla. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 14, 2013, 09:36:09 PM

Are some of you really STILL nominating seasoned, overpaid and past-it players we all know well? Some of whom have previously raided Randy's coffers? Regardless of everything that Lambo has said and done? Yesterday, Barry. Today, Friedel. Maybe you feel redundant because you'd never heard of Bacuna or Tonev or Vlaar or Benteke et al? Who had? Just enjoy it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 14, 2013, 09:48:39 PM

Friedel? Some people are having a right laugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on June 14, 2013, 10:49:23 PM

I feel obliged to mention NRC at this point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 14, 2013, 10:58:31 PM

Yes, NRC, some folk were clamouring for us to re-sign him in January. Luckily for all, Lambert didn't read that thread

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 14, 2013, 11:09:18 PM

He read it, then binned it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 14, 2013, 11:14:27 PM

Hindsight vision is always 20/20.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2013, 11:17:53 PM

I think previously the summer has been chance to play manager and say we need x, y and z. It's great that we finally have a scouting network and management team that can identify gems but it doesn't allow people to play manager and some may still be trying to in vein.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on June 14, 2013, 11:19:26 PM

Lescott would do a job, I reckon

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 14, 2013, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 14, 2013, 11:19:26 PM

Lescott would do a job, I reckon

;)

Bricklayer maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on June 14, 2013, 11:36:31 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on June 14, 2013, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on June 14, 2013, 11:19:26 PM

Lescott would do a job, I reckon

;)

Bricklayer maybe?

Commander on a space ship maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 11:47:59 PM

It's been a good few pages since anybody mentioned James Milner.  Just saying, like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2013, 11:48:49 PM

I reckon we'll sign a goalkeeper who none of us has heard of, but will turn out to be the new Lev Yashin, for two goats and a set of Puma track suits (green).

And another full back, for a similar fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2013, 11:49:58 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 11:47:59 PM

It's been a good few pages since anybody mentioned James Milner.  Just saying, like.

It's the only one I'd consider.

And I'd say yes in a heartbeat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2013, 11:51:38 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2013, 11:49:58 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 11:47:59 PM

It's been a good few pages since anybody mentioned James Milner.  Just saying, like.

It's the only one I'd consider.

And I'd say yes in a heartbeat.

I think if there was any chance of Milner coming back, we'd have a decent chance of forming, entirely from posters on here, a human chain to pass him from man to man, from Manchester back down here, like buckets of water towards a burning house.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on June 14, 2013, 11:57:40 PM

Dont know,Ive got a feeling its on the cards,he liked it here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2013, 11:58:47 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2013, 11:51:38 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 14, 2013, 11:49:58 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 14, 2013, 11:47:59 PM

It's been a good few pages since anybody mentioned James Milner.  Just saying, like.

It's the only one I'd consider.

And I'd say yes in a heartbeat.

I think if there was any chance of Milner coming back, we'd have a decent chance of forming, entirely from posters on here, a human chain to pass him from man to man, from Manchester back down here, like buckets of water towards a burning house.

Everything about Milner fits right into what we're now about.

He'd be like Lampard for us in the middle, he'd become exactly the player we thought he could be.

Instead of pissing around up at that soulless dump playing here there and everywhere, and doing the donkey work for show ponies with more money than talent.

Still, never gonna happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 15, 2013, 12:01:25 AM

How many times can a player return?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 12:02:29 AM

I hate to play the part of the lone heretic but I just don't see the appeal of bringing Milner back. I don't think he's a bad player, on the contrary I think he's a good one sadly underused at Citeh. I just don't want him back. Or rate him as much as pretty much everybody else on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 15, 2013, 12:05:30 AM

I always thought Milner and Young wanted quality around them. They were in a league of their own at the time. We are better now though.  Milner would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:06:11 AM

Maybe this coming season will be different, but I genuinely struggle to think of another footballer in the league who would have improved our side last season as much as Milner would have.

I don't think he's necessarily one of the best players in the league, I just think he'd have been absolutely what we needed last year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he looked that way this coming season, too.

When I see him spazzing around on the wing for England or Man City, and so many people not understanding the fact that he needs to be played in the middle, it makes me want to chuck the telly out of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 15, 2013, 12:08:29 AM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 12:02:29 AM

I hate to play the part of the lone heretic but I just don't see the appeal of bringing Milner back. I don't think he's a bad player, on the contrary I think he's a good one sadly underused at Citeh. I just don't want him back. Or rate him as much as pretty much everybody else on here.

If he was available, with a decent deal then fuck me, yes please. Milner back at Villa would be superb. Another experienced player to teach the young lads. Bring it on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 15, 2013, 12:14:13 AM

How many times can a player return? Milner used to return, return and return again, if we needed him to play for time. What a boy!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 12:19:59 AM

I just think it would upset the applecart we have. He'd be most likely to replace Delph or Westwood in our side and neither deserve to be dropped (I think Sylla brings something different to the side). I like the look of our midfield as it ended last season and all it really needs is a bit more strength in depth rather than a player coming in who's a guaranteed starter. The focus of our work should be on the defence.

It's no reflection on Milner that I think that. Whilst I role my eyes at some of the more OTT comments about him I think he's a decent player but we've moved on and have something different now. If Westwood and Delph continue as they started to look at the end of last season then they'll be getting starts in the England central midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:23:58 AM

This is a general point, and not in reaction to the above discussion, but I think, in the excitement of recent signings, people are forgetting, we've just finished fifteenth. It's an exciting experiment, but it's not as if we've hit on some magic formula and are on an unstoppable march to the top.

There is reason for optimism, and I am really looking forward to next season, but we're still a side which narrowly avoided relegation. I think we need to prepare ourselves for the idea we may very well finish in the bottom half next year, and not be too surprised, or disappointed, if that happens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 15, 2013, 12:25:51 AM

I get increasingly irritated (because I'm like that) with posts on this thread about superannuated superstars, ex Villa players, and currently rated journeymen from the top 14 or whatever being suggested because lambert DOES NOT BUY THEM.

However, I think Milner is an exception to this and that PL could do a lot worse than sign him up.  He's wasted where he is. (Acknowledge points by Sandman about his impact on the squad as well.)

This opinion is mitigated by the facts that, well, he's well-known, expensive, older than the rest of our team and as we know, Lambert does not buy them.
Apart from those reservations, he'd be rather good for the Villa at this point if PL could do a deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:32:01 AM

I don't think it would ever happen.

However, at the same time, if I think about what sort of club would be in for him if Pellegrini decided he didn't want Milner any more, it's not as if there is a long list of top clubs there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 12:41:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:23:58 AM

This is a general point, and not in reaction to the above discussion, but I think, in the excitement of recent signings, people are forgetting, we've just finished fifteenth. It's an exciting experiment, but it's not as if we've hit on some magic formula and are on an unstoppable march to the top.

There is reason for optimism, and I am really looking forward to next season, but we're still a side which narrowly avoided relegation. I think we need to prepare ourselves for the idea we may very well finish in the bottom half next year, and not be too surprised, or disappointed, if that happens.

I agree Paulie. My general expectation is that we'll be around 8-12th but relatively clear of relegation. Anything better than that is great. We have a squad that has been assembled very cheaply by the standards of the premier league and I think it is difficult for that kind of squad to break above that kind of level. I'm expecting baby steps, and of course not every bargain buy will pay off as we hope (see for example El Ahmadi). My big worry is that Benteke leaves and we need to find somebody to replace his goals. If he goes, that'll hit next season's prospects hard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

I know, but I've got a raging hard on about everything at the Villa right now, and any things possible.

I'll calm down in time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:52:56 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

I know, but I've got a raging hard on about everything at the Villa right now, and any things possible.

I'll calm down in time.

Are you sure the raging hard on was not thinking about me, cos I will send you a picture and you will calm down instantly

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:52:56 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

I know, but I've got a raging hard on about everything at the Villa right now, and any things possible.

I'll calm down in time.

Are you sure the raging hard on was not thinking about me, cos I will send you a picture and you will calm down instantly

No, the mystery is what's sustaining me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:58:40 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:52:56 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

I know, but I've got a raging hard on about everything at the Villa right now, and any things possible.

I'll calm down in time.

Are you sure the raging hard on was not thinking about me, cos I will send you a picture and you will calm down instantly

No, the mystery is what's sustaining me.

Ok sweetie x

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 15, 2013, 01:00:44 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:58:40 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:52:56 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 15, 2013, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 12:40:18 AM

We would not be able to afford Milners wages, or even come close to them surely. Would love him at the club, but we have just bought another two attacking players and another one coming next week, is Milner what we need? Think he is a great player in the centre and good out wide and will never forget his effort in that Wes tHam game, but we cant get him and would he want to come back to mid table team

I know, but I've got a raging hard on about everything at the Villa right now, and any things possible.

I'll calm down in time.

Are you sure the raging hard on was not thinking about me, cos I will send you a picture and you will calm down instantly

No, the mystery is what's sustaining me.

Ok sweetie x

Picture sent. Reply" Very dissapointed." :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 01:05:47 AM

Think very disappointed would be a massive understatement tbh :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 15, 2013, 01:09:47 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 01:05:47 AM

Think very disappointed would be a massive understatement tbh :)

You are of course, completely right. To claim you prize please phone this number... 08986677......... Woops.



"Get of the bloody phone will you love, costing us a fortune. And what's with the heavy breathing thing ?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2013, 01:46:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:06:11 AM

Maybe this coming season will be different, but I genuinely struggle to think of another footballer in the league who would have improved our side last season as much as Milner would have.

I don't think he's necessarily one of the best players in the league, I just think he'd have been absolutely what we needed last year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he looked that way this coming season, too.

When I see him spazzing around on the wing for England or Man City, and so many people not understanding the fact that he needs to be played in the middle, it makes me want to chuck the telly out of the window.

You and me both. I hate it. I hate watching him look a shadow of the real Milner, that for a brief time trod the path that led to legend town. He hopped off for the money and the trophies, but if we could get him bck on it, England and Villa would be a lot better off. He was awesome. Really awesome in that centre midfield role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2013, 01:58:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 15, 2013, 01:46:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:06:11 AM

Maybe this coming season will be different, but I genuinely struggle to think of another footballer in the league who would have improved our side last season as much as Milner would have.

I don't think he's necessarily one of the best players in the league, I just think he'd have been absolutely what we needed last year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he looked that way this coming season, too.

When I see him spazzing around on the wing for England or Man City, and so many people not understanding the fact that he needs to be played in the middle, it makes me want to chuck the telly out of the window.

You and me both. I hate it. I hate watching him look a shadow of the real Milner, that for a brief time trod the path that led to legend town. He hopped off for the money and the trophies, but if we could get him bck on it, England and Villa would be a lot better off. He was awesome. Really awesome in that centre midfield role.

Somehow I doubt he sees it like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 02:03:38 AM

As others have said, it most likely would never happen. But...if a player ever epitomised the attitude Lambert wants in a player, it is Jimmy Milner. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be out of favour under Pellegrini so I live in hope.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 02:07:43 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 15, 2013, 01:46:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2013, 12:06:11 AM

Maybe this coming season will be different, but I genuinely struggle to think of another footballer in the league who would have improved our side last season as much as Milner would have.

I don't think he's necessarily one of the best players in the league, I just think he'd have been absolutely what we needed last year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he looked that way this coming season, too.

When I see him spazzing around on the wing for England or Man City, and so many people not understanding the fact that he needs to be played in the middle, it makes me want to chuck the telly out of the window.

You and me both. I hate it. I hate watching him look a shadow of the real Milner, that for a brief time trod the path that led to legend town. He hopped off for the money and the trophies, but if we could get him bck on it, England and Villa would be a lot better off. He was awesome. Really awesome in that centre midfield role.
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He hopped off cos the ambition had gone, Man City were competing for top honours and wanted to win medals. That said, I do think he is wasted out wide and he is a top midfielder in the centre. He aint bad out wide either, but centre he is good enough for any team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 02:11:27 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 02:03:38 AM

As others have said, it most likely would never happen. But...if a player ever epitomised the attitude Lambert wants in a player, it is Jimmy Milner. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be out of favour under Pellegrini so I live in hope.

What wage is he on at Man City, Iwould guess near £100k? Are we going to pay him that and if we are, would Benteke accept the apparent £40k he is being offered? Not having a go, but the big owners are blowing us out of their league

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 02:24:21 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 15, 2013, 02:11:27 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 02:03:38 AM

As others have said, it most likely would never happen. But...if a player ever epitomised the attitude Lambert wants in a player, it is Jimmy Milner. It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he'll be out of favour under Pellegrini so I live in hope.

What wage is he on at Man City, Iwould guess near £100k? Are we going to pay him that and if we are, would Benteke accept the apparent £40k he is being offered? Not having a go, but the big owners are blowing us out of their league

If he hypothetically was frozen out at Citeh, who would be in for him? Definitely not a club that will continue to pay him 100k. So most likely he'd have to take a major pay-cut wherever he goes after them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 15, 2013, 07:46:05 AM

I'd love a transfer window where people don't pine over Milner, he's never coming back and I for one don't want him back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2013, 08:21:51 AM

Apparently spuds are after Pauline now. Have we decided how much we want?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2013, 08:22:55 AM

Forget Milner. He left us. Any payer who leaves us is dead to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 08:24:22 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 08:22:55 AM

Forget Milner. He left us. Any payer who leaves us is dead to me.

So you were angry to see Sid return ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 15, 2013, 08:26:05 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 08:21:51 AM

Apparently spuds are after Pauline now. Have we decided how much we want?

Who?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 08:27:36 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 15, 2013, 08:26:05 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 08:21:51 AM

Apparently spuds are after Pauline now. Have we decided how much we want?

Who?

Dc5 is driving a hard bargain , he's after a bottle of sherry and a walnut whip ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 15, 2013, 08:51:24 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 08:24:22 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 08:22:55 AM

Forget Milner. He left us. Any payer who leaves us is dead to me.

So you were angry to see Sid return ?

That is the easiest debate to win ever.

I'd like him back (on reduced wages) I suspect he could be what the Spuds and Bindippers do with. He is a good player and was very good for us 2009-10. Won't lose any sleep if he doesn't come back though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2013, 09:07:08 AM

I would'nt mind seeing Milner back and in our centre midfield. Mind you, two good seasons for us and he'd be off again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 15, 2013, 09:07:08 AM

I would'nt mind seeing Milner back and in our centre midfield. Mind you, two good seasons for us and he'd be off again.

Milner for me would be the icing on the cake and the perfect piece in the jigsaw - i can't see it happening though although never say never.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 09:46:15 AM

Another signing on the radar according to kendrick -

Nicklas Helenius and another mystery target could complete Paul Lambert’s early-season flurry of signings before Villa look to move several players out.

Helenius is expected to become the fourth new face when he arrives at Bodymoor Heath to complete his switch from Aalborg at the start of next week.

The 22-year-old striker will follow fellow Dane Jores Okore, Bulgarian winger Aleksandar Tonev and Dutch midfielder Leandro Bacuna into the club.

Lambert is also chasing another signing in the next fortnight, although the claret and blues are typically keeping his identity under wraps for now.

But the frenzied incoming activity during the first month of the close season is likely to calm down soon, so that Lambert can assess the size of his squad.

The new arrivals mean that Villa now have a first-team squad of around 35 players – even with Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Jean Makoun, Andy Marshall and loanee Simon Dawkins leaving.

Richard Dunne 
Lambert and the board are keen to prune the playing staff and will attempt to find new clubs for at least half-a-dozen players before resuming their recruitment drive.

Darren Bent, Stephen Ireland, Shay Given and Alan Hutton are surplus to requirements while Brett Holman, Barry Bannan and Nathan Delfouneso could also be up for sale.

Villa do wish to strengthen further in other positions, believed to include full-back and central midfield, and will look to potentially do more business during July and August.

Bodymoor Heath graduates Samir Carruthers, Graham Burke and Mikey Drennan are expected to follow Daniel Johnson in agreeing new contracts when they return for pre-season training next month, but Derrick Williams is poised to leave for a League One club, believed to be Bristol City.

Johnson, who is yet to make his senior debut, has told of his delight at signing a two-year extension, saying: “These are exciting times at the club at the moment, you can see where the manager wants to go with it and what he’s trying to do and it’s really good.”

Meanwhile, the club are holding a kit launch weekend featuring live music from local bands and a host of activities for children and families today and tomorrow (June 15/16).

Former Villa stars Ian Taylor and Lee Hendrie will be appearing on stage for a question and answer session with supporters at around midday today and tomorrow respectively.

The line-up of bands, who will perform from 11am to 5pm, has been put together by Counteract Magazine with Jaws headlining today and Tempting Rosie topping the bill tomorrow.

The new home and away kits, produced by Macron and featuring new sponsor Dafabet, were unveiled on Wednesday to coincide with the launch of Villa’s new online store and both are available for pre-order.

Based on the design of the 1981-82 kit when Villa won the European Cup, the new home strip will be available to buy from 9am to 5pm at the Villa Village and New Street on both days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 15, 2013, 09:47:12 AM

I quite liked that Stephen Ireland. Who is he playing for these days?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 15, 2013, 09:58:50 AM

Disappointed for Williams. I thought he'd come through here. Oh we'll, they know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

JUST TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT IN REGARDS TO A FEW PEEPS ON HERE AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE. AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS (YES I KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD FOR SOME) SEEMS GENUINE UNIQUENESS SEEMS TO THREATEN SOME PEOPLE HERE. 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 10:20:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

JUST TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT IN REGARDS TO A FEW PEEPS ON HERE AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE. AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS (YES I KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD FOR SOME) SEEMS GENUINE UNIQUENESS SEEMS TO THREATEN SOME PEOPLE HERE. 8)

Don't let them bother you mate , there are a few knockers on here but best ignored.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

JUST TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT IN REGARDS TO A FEW PEEPS ON HERE AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE. AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS (YES I KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD FOR SOME) SEEMS GENUINE UNIQUENESS SEEMS TO THREATEN SOME PEOPLE HERE. 8)

No need to shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2013, 10:58:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 09:46:15 AM

Another signing on the radar according to kendrick -

... Johnson, who is yet to make his senior debut, has told of his delight at signing a two-year extension, saying: “These are exciting times at the club at the moment, you can see where the manager wants to go with it and what he’s trying to do and it’s really good.”

Johnson has played for the first team - started against ManUre a couple of seasons' ago and has subbed; or am I going mad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 10:58:19 AM

Bloody hell, some people are getting their knickers in a twist about fuck all on here lately.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2013, 11:01:02 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 08:24:22 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 08:22:55 AM

Forget Milner. He left us. Any payer who leaves us is dead to me.

So you were angry to see Sid return ?

That's a weak one from you. Sid gave us his best and didn't leave us chasing money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 11:02:40 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 10:58:19 AM

Bloody hell, some people are getting their knickers in a twist about fuck all on here lately.

At least they are wearing knickers  though, the time to worry is when they are not ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2013, 11:05:58 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 11:02:40 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 10:58:19 AM

Bloody hell, some people are getting their knickers in a twist about fuck all on here lately.

At least they are wearing knickers  though, the time to worry is when they are not ;)

oooh, errrr Missus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 15, 2013, 11:17:42 AM

Nathan Redmond anybody?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 11:21:31 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 15, 2013, 11:17:42 AM

Nathan Redmond anybody?

No thanks, we have out own young talent waiting in line for a chance already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2013, 11:25:13 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 15, 2013, 11:17:42 AM

Nathan Redmond anybody?

why do you ask?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2013, 11:26:53 AM

Supposedly linked with Nathan Dyer?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 15, 2013, 11:30:03 AM

It's better for people to be talking about you than for people not to be talking about you.

Unless they're talking about what an irritating, tedious bellend you are, of course. That's not much fun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 11:32:04 AM

With Marshall gone, Given going and Siegrist having no senior experience, surely a keeper is the most pressing priority now?

There's been lots of talk of Steer on Twatter and it would make sense. PL gave him his debut but it now looks like he's 4th choice there behind Ruddy, Bunn and Camp. Only 20 too, so would fit-in with our young squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2013, 11:34:58 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE.

I'm not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 15, 2013, 11:45:23 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 15, 2013, 09:47:12 AM

I quite liked that Stephen Ireland. Who is he playing for these days?

Smiley face thing

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 15, 2013, 11:49:40 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 15, 2013, 11:26:53 AM

Supposedly linked with Nathan Dyer?

I read that a few minutes ago as well. Thought he looked great when he came on for Swansea against Wigan towards the end of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 11:59:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 11:32:04 AM

With Marshall gone, Given going and Siegrist having no senior experience, surely a keeper is the most pressing priority now?

There's been lots of talk of Steer on Twatter and it would make sense. PL gave him his debut but it now looks like he's 4th choice there behind Ruddy, Bunn and Camp. Only 20 too, so would fit-in with our young squad.

Would steer be a better option than siegrist  though- both are inexperienced - I'd prefer to see a keeper come in with a bit of experience just in case Guzan does get a bad injury.
If experience isn't required then why not just promote siegrist rather than bringing in similar with steer?

As for dyer he has often impressed me but I'd have thought we are pretty covered in that kind of player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 15, 2013, 12:06:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 11:59:21 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 11:32:04 AM

With Marshall gone, Given going and Siegrist having no senior experience, surely a keeper is the most pressing priority now?

There's been lots of talk of Steer on Twatter and it would make sense. PL gave him his debut but it now looks like he's 4th choice there behind Ruddy, Bunn and Camp. Only 20 too, so would fit-in with our young squad.

Would steer be a better option than siegrist  though- both are inexperienced - I'd prefer to see a keeper come in with a bit of experience just in case Guzan does get a bad injury.
If experience isn't required then why not just promote siegrist rather than bringing in similar with steer?

As for dyer he has often impressed me but I'd have thought we are pretty covered in that kind of player.

Someone mentioned Freidal yesterday. I'd take him back as cover for a year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2013, 12:06:36 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

JUST TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT IN REGARDS TO A FEW PEEPS ON HERE AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE. AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS (YES I KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD FOR SOME) SEEMS GENUINE UNIQUENESS SEEMS TO THREATEN SOME PEOPLE HERE. 8)

You can be as unique as you like, just please do it a bit quieter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 15, 2013, 12:13:10 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 15, 2013, 12:06:36 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

JUST TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT IN REGARDS TO A FEW PEEPS ON HERE AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE. AND HAVE INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS (YES I KNOW THAT CAN BE HARD FOR SOME) SEEMS GENUINE UNIQUENESS SEEMS TO THREATEN SOME PEOPLE HERE. 8)

You can be as unique as you like, just please do it a bit quieter.

A bit more quietly?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM

I can't see Freidal coming back. For him, I think it's a case of play or hang the boots up. He won't move clubs to sit on a bench for a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 12:16:27 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 15, 2013, 12:14:50 PM

I can't see Freidal coming back. For him, I think it's a case of play or hang the boots up. He won't move clubs to sit on a bench for a season.

I agree, if we get another keeper it makes sense to loan siegrist out to get experience at 1st team level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2013, 12:20:05 PM

Friedel will keep playing for as long as possible as he is skint.

We shouldn't sign him though. As Tottenham found out in the Europa League, you shouldn't have a cups keeper who never, ever, saves a penalty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 15, 2013, 12:23:36 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2013, 11:34:58 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE.

I'm not.

I've got one ear lower than the other.  Makes wearing sunglasses a little wonky.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Buy two monocles. They're bound to come back into fashion soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 15, 2013, 12:41:56 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2013, 11:34:58 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 10:18:28 AM

WE ARE ALL EQUAL ON HERE.

I'm not.

I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 15, 2013, 12:53:42 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Buy two monocles. They're bound to come back into fashion soon.

You sir, are a genius.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 15, 2013, 01:17:14 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2013, 12:20:05 PM

Friedel will keep playing for as long as possible as he is skint.

We shouldn't sign him though. As Tottenham found out in the Europa League, you shouldn't have a cups keeper who never, ever, saves a penalty.

He saved a lot of penalties when he was at Blackburn. When we signed him, I thought it would be the same with us so was very disappointed with how it turned out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 01:20:23 PM

I like Nathan Dyer but I wouldn't really want him being given a place ahead of the likes of Grealish, Graham or Robinson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 15, 2013, 01:29:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 15, 2013, 01:20:23 PM

I like Nathan Dyer but I wouldn't really want him being given a place ahead of the likes of Grealish, Graham or Robinson.

Indeed, especially in the "value for money" stakes we are now playing.  CM and preferably someone capable of playing L&RB to add depth and I think the squad is nearly complete (assuming Helenius signs).  Then we will just look to replace whatever deadwood we can rid ourselves of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 03:28:27 PM

If Lambert wanted an experienced back-up for Guzan I don't think he'd be letting Given and Marshall both leave. As he showed with his transfer dealings last year, he clearly values attitude and hunger over experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 03:31:00 PM

Poor old Mat Kendrick. He's having to put 'mystery target' to cover himself now. They've all been mysteries to you so far Mat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 03:31:00 PM

Poor old Mat Kendrick. He's having to put 'mystery target' to cover himself now. They've all been mysteries to you so far Mat.

The transfer window is designed to confound journos  at every available opportunity and by any necessary means. There is an attempt at a sense of purpose but they actually talk for hours without saying anything. At least he sticks to cliche code with the term mystery target.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 15, 2013, 04:15:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 03:28:27 PM

If Lambert wanted an experienced back-up for Guzan I don't think he'd be letting Given and Marshall both leave. As he showed with his transfer dealings last year, he clearly values attitude and hunger over experience.

Is siegrist good enough and ready to 2nd choice? If so,  he may not need another keeper - i think he will get one in though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 15, 2013, 04:25:01 PM

How good is Siegrist at the moment. He might be good enough to play a couple of games but will he be ready if say Guzan broke his arm in September and out of action for three months for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 04:30:58 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 15, 2013, 04:15:15 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 15, 2013, 03:28:27 PM

If Lambert wanted an experienced back-up for Guzan I don't think he'd be letting Given and Marshall both leave. As he showed with his transfer dealings last year, he clearly values attitude and hunger over experience.

Is siegrist good enough and ready to 2nd choice? If so,  he may not need another keeper - i think he will get one in though.

Given off due to finance and Marshall released as Lambert can improve upon. There is a need for experienced players within any squad. I certainly think at least one competent back up keeper of experience will add to squad. For  me its position deemed necessary to make a transfer move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 15, 2013, 05:06:58 PM

Lambert has a few friendlies between now and the start of the season to see if Siegrist is up to the challenge, he's 21 now so I can't see the point of bringing in a 20 yr old to go on the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 15, 2013, 05:16:00 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 15, 2013, 04:10:36 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 15, 2013, 03:31:00 PM

Poor old Mat Kendrick. He's having to put 'mystery target' to cover himself now. They've all been mysteries to you so far Mat.

The transfer window is designed to confound journos  at every available opportunity and by any necessary means. There is an attempt at a sense of purpose but they actually talk for hours without saying anything. At least he sticks to cliche code with the term mystery target.   

Bit like people on here, perhaps? :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

If I were to live my life again, I reckon reserve 'keeper for a premier league team would be my target job. Stupidly well paid for doing essentially fuck all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 05:35:35 PM

Aye, me too. Just look at Stuart Taylor. He's been in the Premier League for 10 years and at 4 different PL clubs. Probably earned a fortune for playing 2 or 3 games a season in that time. I never thought he was that bad either on his outings for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on June 15, 2013, 05:57:15 PM

I wonder if lambert is conducting some sort of Moneyball experiment in terms of recruiting players?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2013, 06:14:55 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 15, 2013, 12:02:29 AM

I hate to play the part of the lone heretic but I just don't see the appeal of bringing Milner back. I don't think he's a bad player, on the contrary I think he's a good one sadly underused at Citeh. I just don't want him back. Or rate him as much as pretty much everybody else on here.

Think it's just you and me, Sandy. Milner gets championed on here for one really good season he had.
The same as his "replacement" Ireland managed (at Citeh). What we really needed out of that deal was Milner's work-rate and Ireland's technical ability on a consistent basis.

I think Delph will go on to be a far better player than "Milly". Better technically, just has to continue his improvement on the diving-into-challenges routine (which a lot of was likely down to lack of match fitness) and get his aim a bit steadier when shooting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 15, 2013, 07:24:43 PM

You are both underrating Milner there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 15, 2013, 08:02:32 PM

Milner's a decent right sided midfielder and a very good central midfielder. We're just looking for different things now - we're not looking at accomplished players who will eclipse everyone else's salary, we're looking at young players who haven't been given the chance on the big stage before now and are therefore excited to be playing for us and enjoying every minute of it. Something that everyone has really bought into.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 15, 2013, 08:41:59 PM

There's literally zero chance of milner coming back. zero.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 15, 2013, 08:43:41 PM

Of course there is, he's in a team competing for the title. He will not come back to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: enigma on June 15, 2013, 09:05:04 PM

I'd love us to go for Keisuke Honda at CSKA Moscow. Cracking player and available on a free transfer at the moment. I know there's zero chance of that happening as we're operating in a completely different market these days but he'd be perfect for us. He'd give us everything we hoped Ireland would.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:06:28 PM

You guys. Milner. FFS. Where does that fit into The Lambo Method?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:10:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

If I were to live my life again, I reckon reserve 'keeper for a premier league team would be my target job. Stupidly well paid for doing essentially fuck all.

So true. And poignant, since Spink was Villa 1st choice for years, winning a European Cup medal, then a coach and today we learn that he has had to become a man with a van.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 15, 2013, 09:15:02 PM

I hope we sign Damo Suzuki.

Ain't got no time for western medicine

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 15, 2013, 09:15:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:10:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

If I were to live my life again, I reckon reserve 'keeper for a premier league team would be my target job. Stupidly well paid for doing essentially fuck all.

So true. And poignant, since Spink was Villa 1st choice for years, winning a European Cup medal, then a coach and today we learn that he has had to become a man with a van.

Jake Findlay became a driving instructor. Taught this lad I used to work with how to pass his test.

Whats Spinky doing,house removals?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2013, 10:20:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:06:28 PM

You guys. Milner. FFS. Where does that fit into The Lambo Method?

Let's ease up on this 'Lambert method' idea.  He's had less than a full summer in charge of a club with any meaningful resources, so far he's targeted a number of younger players, but he also got KEA and Vlaar and was clearly wanting Dempsey last summer.  I'm fairly sure there was genuine interest in Lescott in January as well.

Experienced players generally move later in the window, that's why MoN didn't act until late August, and it's also why us not having signed one by the 15th of June doesn't mean we're not going to.  If by September we not signed anyone over 23/24 then we can start to call it his 'method' but for the time being I'm getting a bit fed up of any name over 25 being met with 'we don't sign those players anymore'.  This isn't specifically aimed at the post I quoted, that's just the latest one I've seen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 15, 2013, 11:21:03 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2013, 10:20:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:06:28 PM

You guys. Milner. FFS. Where does that fit into The Lambo Method?

Let's ease up on this 'Lambert method' idea.  He's had less than a full summer in charge of a club with any meaningful resources, so far he's targeted a number of younger players, but he also got KEA and Vlaar and was clearly wanting Dempsey last summer.  I'm fairly sure there was genuine interest in Lescott in January as well.

Experienced players generally move later in the window, that's why MoN didn't act until late August, and it's also why us not having signed one by the 15th of June doesn't mean we're not going to.  If by September we not signed anyone over 23/24 then we can start to call it his 'method' but for the time being I'm getting a bit fed up of any name over 25 being met with 'we don't sign those players anymore'.  This isn't specifically aimed at the post I quoted, that's just the latest one I've seen.

Well you give us the heads up when there is a credible link with an overpaid, premier league player over the age of 25 and I'll consider changing my opinion of what is happening at VP. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 16, 2013, 01:34:57 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 15, 2013, 11:21:03 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 15, 2013, 10:20:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:06:28 PM

You guys. Milner. FFS. Where does that fit into The Lambo Method?

Let's ease up on this 'Lambert method' idea.  He's had less than a full summer in charge of a club with any meaningful resources, so far he's targeted a number of younger players, but he also got KEA and Vlaar and was clearly wanting Dempsey last summer.  I'm fairly sure there was genuine interest in Lescott in January as well.

Experienced players generally move later in the window, that's why MoN didn't act until late August, and it's also why us not having signed one by the 15th of June doesn't mean we're not going to.  If by September we not signed anyone over 23/24 then we can start to call it his 'method' but for the time being I'm getting a bit fed up of any name over 25 being met with 'we don't sign those players anymore'.  This isn't specifically aimed at the post I quoted, that's just the latest one I've seen.

Well you give us the heads up when there is a credible link with an overpaid, premier league player over the age of 25 and I'll consider changing my opinion of what is happening at VP.

Seconded.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:21:48 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Surely not serious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 16, 2013, 04:19:42 AM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:21:48 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Surely not serious.

 Made a massive mistake going to City, he should be England captain by now. A great player, I hope he decides to move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 07:59:25 AM

Young, Milner, Downing complete arseholes IMO!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 16, 2013, 08:08:03 AM

Quote from: enigma on June 15, 2013, 09:05:04 PM

I'd love us to go for Keisuke Honda at CSKA Moscow. Cracking player and available on a free transfer at the moment. I know there's zero chance of that happening as we're operating in a completely different market these days but he'd be perfect for us. He'd give us everything we hoped Ireland would.

Hondas just go and go again

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: willywombat on June 16, 2013, 08:26:00 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 07:59:25 AM

Young, Milner, Downing complete arseholes IMO!

Downing yes but disagree with the other two. Both paid their dues and moved on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 16, 2013, 08:36:40 AM

Quote from: willywombat on June 16, 2013, 08:26:00 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 07:59:25 AM

Young, Milner, Downing complete arseholes IMO!

Downing yes but disagree with the other two. Both paid their dues and moved on

I agree.
I didn't begrudge Young, Milner or Barry for that matter, their moves but Downing is just a weasel who showed zero loyalty and bailed out on us at the first available opportunity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 08:43:23 AM

Quote from: willywombat on June 16, 2013, 08:26:00 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 07:59:25 AM

Young, Milner, Downing complete arseholes IMO!

Downing yes but disagree with the other two. Both paid their dues and moved on

Young and Milner for different reasons to weasel himself. Young and Milner could have stayed here and become kingpins at both club and international level instead of bench warmers!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on June 16, 2013, 08:58:10 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 08:43:23 AM

Quote from: willywombat on June 16, 2013, 08:26:00 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 07:59:25 AM

Young, Milner, Downing complete arseholes IMO!

Downing yes but disagree with the other two. Both paid their dues and moved on

Young and Milner for different reasons to weasel himself. Young and Milner could have stayed here and become kingpins at both club and international level instead of bench warmers!

Yes but they probably wouldn't have had any medals to show the grand kids

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 16, 2013, 10:19:08 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 15, 2013, 09:15:44 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 15, 2013, 09:10:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2013, 05:31:22 PM

If I were to live my life again, I reckon reserve 'keeper for a premier league team would be my target job. Stupidly well paid for doing essentially fuck all.

So true. And poignant, since Spink was Villa 1st choice for years, winning a European Cup medal, then a coach and today we learn that he has had to become a man with a van.

Jake Findlay became a driving instructor. Taught this lad I used to work with how to pass his test.

Whats Spinky doing,house removals?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/now-mat-kendrick-looks-back-4324622
Tell us what you are up to nowadays...

I’ve just set up my own business called S and M Couriers with my business partner Paul Munro.

I’ve had some jokes about the S and M thing.

But we couldn’t go M&S because we’d have been sued!

We’ve got two vans and do deliveries nationwide, house and office removals and work for the automotive industry, including Jaguar Land Rover.

Paul and I do the driving and I’ve already put the miles in and been to all corners of the country.

I’m really enjoying it and I’m passionate about being successful and growing the business.

If anybody would like to contact us they can email us at

support@sandmcouriers.co.uk

Nigel Spink was talking to Mat Kendrick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 16, 2013, 10:22:24 AM

Young isn't good enough for Yanited I don't think and as seen in Ukraine, nowhere near good enough at international level. But I don't begrudge him going there and trying and failing to make the grade, he has got a title medal out of it.

Milner I just love. I don't begrudge him a move either and he has won things too. He was good enough to be the man to replace Gerrard in the England set up, but just hasn't been given a chance in the middle.

Downing is a rat ****** and has been hilariously shit at his mid-table club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 16, 2013, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Don't agree with that. Before he left Villa, he truly looked at home in the centre of the park. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 16, 2013, 11:19:03 AM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 16, 2013, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Don't agree with that. Before he left Villa, he truly looked at home in the centre of the park. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Totally agree, he won Young Player of the Year the season he played in the middle, he was brilliant there, he'll never get the opportunity to play there at Man City, such a waste.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: devilla on June 16, 2013, 11:45:51 AM

Quote from: Gerrin on June 16, 2013, 11:19:03 AM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 16, 2013, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:06 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 15, 2013, 08:20:46 PM

Milner's probably not good enough for $ity, but he's loads better than anyone we currently have in midfield.

Really? A hod carrier with limited footballing ability....

Don't agree with that. Before he left Villa, he truly looked at home in the centre of the park. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Totally agree, he won Young Player of the Year the season he played in the middle, he was brilliant there, he'll never get the opportunity to play there at Man City, such a waste.

Me too. There have been times when Man City were really struggling last season and Milner came on, made a difference and they went on to win. He'd walk into our midfield and would be a fantastic role model for our youngsters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 11:47:22 AM

I'm liking the look of all the strikers linked with clubs for whom CB is a potential target. Hopefully they all get sorted before nausing us about our man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 16, 2013, 12:17:30 PM

Hmmm, this tweet seems to have just popped up on my screen:

¿@AntoniiioLuna al Aston Villa? Si es oficial, mucha suerte en la liga inglesa, crack. Un abrazo desde Mallorca y disfruta por el UK.

Seems to suggest a young Spanish defender is coming to Villa.  Pinch of salt possibly required.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 16, 2013, 12:21:56 PM

Seems to be one or two Spanish folk talking about it now on Twitter, suggesting a two million euro fee.  So many Spanish tweets about it makes me think it's legit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 12:26:27 PM

Antonio luna was Seville left back on loan at Mallorca last season - 22 yrs old .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 16, 2013, 12:27:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Luna_Rodr%C3%ADguez

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 16, 2013, 12:30:01 PM

22 year-old Spanish left back. Looks like he's played for Spain at all the various youth levels. Come through the ranks at Sevilla and been on loan at Mallorca last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 16, 2013, 12:35:08 PM

He seems to be highly rated on the Sevilla forum I've just checked out, too. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 16, 2013, 12:38:08 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 16, 2013, 12:30:01 PM

22 year-old Spanish left back. Looks like he's played for Spain at all the various youth levels. Come through the ranks at Sevilla and been on loan at Mallorca last season.

I'm sure Mutton will have regaled him with fond tales of our managers man management.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 12:38:12 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 16, 2013, 12:35:08 PM

He seems to be highly rated on the Sevilla forum I've just checked out, too. 

Competition for Bennett maybe , I'm not sure Stevens is up to this level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on June 16, 2013, 12:39:23 PM

Is that the same team Alan Hutton played for?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 12:40:28 PM

Quote from: oldham_villa on June 16, 2013, 12:39:23 PM

Is that the same team Alan Hutton played for?

Yes and they were relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: fredm on June 16, 2013, 08:58:10 AM

Yes but they probably wouldn't have had any medals to show the grand kids

Young payed a few games in his first season but manure won nothing. Last season he hardly featured so not sure what pride he can attach to the championship medal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: fredm on June 16, 2013, 08:58:10 AM

Yes but they probably wouldn't have had any medals to show the grand kids

Young payed a few games in his first season but manure won nothing. Last season he hardly featured so not sure what pride he can attach to the championship medal?

I think it's very sad Milner and Young went off to become bit part, squad players at more successful teams. They could have been Villa legends. However, I'm pretty sure neither of them thinks that way and sadly, but understandably, the money and glamour lured them away. They'll have the medals to show for it too but quite how much contribution they made to the winning of any of them is open to debate. Not that this will bother them I'm sure. They just don't look at it the same way we do and I always thought the way Milner was dressed up to be some sort of down to earth, homespun boy was complete bollocks..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 16, 2013, 01:13:48 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: fredm on June 16, 2013, 08:58:10 AM

Yes but they probably wouldn't have had any medals to show the grand kids

Young payed a few games in his first season but manure won nothing. Last season he hardly featured so not sure what pride he can attach to the championship medal?

I think it's very sad Milner and Young went off to become bit part, squad players at more successful teams. They could have been Villa legends. However, I'm pretty sure neither of them thinks that way and sadly, but understandably, the money and glamour lured them away. They'll have the medals to show for it too but quite how much contribution they made to the winning of any of them is open to debate. Not that this will bother them I'm sure. They just don't look at it the same way we do and I always thought the way Milner was dressed up to be some sort of down to earth, homespun boy was complete bollocks..

You can be the most down to earth and homespun person in the world, but if someone offered you the opportunity to a) win league titles and b) offered you somewhere in the region of a hundred grand every week would you turn it down?  Would anyone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 16, 2013, 01:22:53 PM

Quote from: dekko on June 16, 2013, 01:13:48 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:07:41 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: fredm on June 16, 2013, 08:58:10 AM

Yes but they probably wouldn't have had any medals to show the grand kids

Young payed a few games in his first season but manure won nothing. Last season he hardly featured so not sure what pride he can attach to the championship medal?

I think it's very sad Milner and Young went off to become bit part, squad players at more successful teams. They could have been Villa legends. However, I'm pretty sure neither of them thinks that way and sadly, but understandably, the money and glamour lured them away. They'll have the medals to show for it too but quite how much contribution they made to the winning of any of them is open to debate. Not that this will bother them I'm sure. They just don't look at it the same way we do and I always thought the way Milner was dressed up to be some sort of down to earth, homespun boy was complete bollocks..

You can be the most down to earth and homespun person in the world, but if someone offered you the opportunity to a) win league titles and b) offered you somewhere in the region of a hundred grand every week would you turn it down?  Would anyone?

Gabby. Apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:25:41 PM

It was always extremely apparent to me that Milner wouldn't succeed at City (though it depends on your definition of success) He was as much suited to us - probably more than any other player over these last several years - as he wasn't to Man City

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:25:41 PM

It was always extremely apparent to me that Milner wouldn't succeed at City (though it depends on your definition of success) He was as much suited to us - probably more than any other player over these last several years - as he wasn't to Man City

City fans have high regard for him - they appreciate his workrate in a team where some strut about , I think he's played a decent amount of games at city and won trophies , his England career hasn't progressed so well as if he had stayed at villa where he looked superb in centre midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 01:51:18 PM

Other sites are reporting that we've agreed fee for Antonio Luna, a Spanish left-back from Sevilla who's been on-loan at Real Mallorca...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on June 16, 2013, 01:52:27 PM

When their playing days are over and the money has stopped coming there may be some regret that they didn't become heroes at one club, City fans will never look upon Barry or Milner as club heroes or any of the play for money players, i reckon if you talk to them about club legends then a players such as Francis Lee will be spoken of not any of the present set up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 01:51:18 PM

Other sites are reporting that we've agreed fee for Antonio Luna, a Spanish left-back from Sevilla who's been on-loan at Real Mallorca...

Old news my friend, billy walker broke that news a while  ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 16, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

I was only in Mallorca a couple of months ago. I could have bought Tony moon back with me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2013, 02:09:55 PM

If we sign him will we see the Lynx spacemen making another VP appearance?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:10:34 PM

Hopefully dan can let us know when luna has landed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 16, 2013, 02:11:08 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

Is he going into space ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:11:53 PM

Quote from: john e on June 16, 2013, 02:11:08 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

Is he going into space ?

Yes the opposition penalty box!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 02:12:44 PM

http://elcorreoweb.es/2013/06/16/antonio-luna-pone-rumbo-al-aston-villa/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2013, 02:13:42 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 02:12:44 PM

http://elcorreoweb.es/2013/06/16/antonio-luna-pone-rumbo-al-aston-villa/

Thanks to Google translate

Quote

Antonio Luna discipline Sevilla leave to go abroad, specifically to the Premier League, which will become part of the historic Aston Villa, following the agreement reached between the clubs.

The British club will pay two million euros by the side of Seville, as orgullodenervion.com. Moon was not in the plans of all nervionense, let alone after knowing I had this offer being Fernando Navarro and Alberto Moreno on campus today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 02:13:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 01:51:18 PM

Other sites are reporting that we've agreed fee for Antonio Luna, a Spanish left-back from Sevilla who's been on-loan at Real Mallorca...

Old news my friend, billy walker broke that news a while  ago.

Yes just after he quit boxing!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 16, 2013, 02:15:55 PM

Maybe he's hoping his career will lift off with us. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 16, 2013, 02:13:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 16, 2013, 01:51:18 PM

Other sites are reporting that we've agreed fee for Antonio Luna, a Spanish left-back from Sevilla who's been on-loan at Real Mallorca...

Old news my friend, billy walker broke that news a while  ago.

Yes just after he quit boxing!

Excellent aftab , good to see you are on the ball today  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:17:08 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 16, 2013, 02:15:55 PM

Maybe he's hoping his career will lift off with us. 

He certainly possesses a rocket of a shot i believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 02:17:29 PM

Getting Luna on board will one small step.... Ok I will leave now I don't need telling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:18:54 PM

It looks as though luna will compete with Bennett at left back, I wonder if lambert sees herd as cover for Lowton or will look for another right back as cover?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:22:53 PM

Another deal it seems that kendrick was unaware of - not his finest week !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2013, 02:32:44 PM

Lambert: hey Alan (think bubble- you useless thick fucker) - it's Paul. Hope you're having a fantastic time in Spain. What's that young full back Luna like?

Hutton - hey Paul (think bubble - what the fuck do you want?) - doing well mate. Love it out here. Hoping I can stay. Luna is a cracking young player. He'll do well in the PL.

Lambert : thanks Alan - (think bubble - you have no idea how much I want you to stay out there, or go anywhere else for that matter). Cheers mate good to know thanks. we might sign him. And believe me, we are doing literally everything we can to get you to stay there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 16, 2013, 02:38:17 PM

Not our usual type of player, we usually go for them a bit younger (and alive):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Luna
I do like the sound of a three tier defense aka the LUna Defense Line.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:43:25 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 16, 2013, 02:38:17 PM

Not our usual type of player, we usually go for them a bit younger (and alive):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Luna
I do like the sound of a three tier defense aka the LUna Defense Line.

Yes but he will stiffen up the back four :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 16, 2013, 02:50:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:17:08 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 16, 2013, 02:15:55 PM

Maybe he's hoping his career will lift off with us. 

He certainly possesses a rocket of a shot i believe.

I read that he really likes to get under the opposing teams skin............yes......he,s a Luna-tic !

I,ll get me coat ............Godzvilla ! .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 16, 2013, 02:56:49 PM

Just like Tim Howard I hear he has tourette's [insert punch line]

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jim Shoes on June 16, 2013, 03:23:46 PM

Haha from his wiki page, I guess someone pressed the edit button! Unless he was really born in West Bromwich, a Spanish Yam-Yam. 

Football career

Born in West Bromwich, Luna finished his youth career in Andalusia with Sevilla FC, making his senior debuts with the reserve side in Segunda División B. From 15/19 May 2010 he appeared in his first two official games with the first team, and both were decisive ones: in the first he played the full 90 minutes as his team won 3–2 away against UD Almería for La Liga, in the last round, finally edging RCD Mallorca for the last UEFA Champions League qualification position.[1] The second was a 2–0 triumph over Atlético Madrid in the season's Copa del Rey final.[2]

On 19 January 2011 Luna was loaned to neighbouring Almería until the end of the campaign,[3] being regularly utilized as the club suffered top flight relegation after a four-year stay. He subsequently returned to Sevilla, playing 14 league matches in his first full season and scoring his first goal as a professional against Málaga CF, but in a 1–2 away loss where he featured as a left midfielder.[4]

On 16 June 2013 Luna signed for Aston Villa FC for a fee within the region of €2-3 million, on a four year contract.
Honours

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:37:01 PM

I've seen him a few times and I'm not convinced he is currently any better then Bennett. Another one with potential.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2013, 04:01:58 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:37:01 PM

I've seen him a few times and I'm not convinced he is currently any better then Bennett. Another one with potential.

Probably correct. At least with two kids we can rotate them a bit and have the opportunity to take them out of the firing line when needed. The competition may raise both of their games too.

Lambert has a lot of faith in his scouting team doesn't he. He is stubbornly signing these types of players when I'm sure he could hedge his bets a bit by spending a little bit more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 16, 2013, 04:34:31 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:37:01 PM

I've seen him a few times and I'm not convinced he is currently any better then Bennett. Another one with potential.

similar to what some Belgium people were saying about Benteke and Heskey ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 04:38:35 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 16, 2013, 04:34:31 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:37:01 PM

I've seen him a few times and I'm not convinced he is currently any better then Bennett. Another one with potential.

similar to what some Belgium people were saying about Benteke and Heskey ;)

The difference being that I don't think comparing him to Bennett is an insult as I think Bennett has the potential to make it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2013, 04:42:42 PM

The key for me is that while Bennett shows promise i don't think enda is good enough for this level, luna will provide good competition and battle it out with joe for the left back spot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 04:43:26 PM

Bennett is a very, very good footballer. What he is not is  good defender. I would hope anyone coming in would be a more solid defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 04:48:25 PM

So....


If true...

That would be left back, centre back, centre mid, winger and striker signed. Reserve keeper rumoured heavily to be looking at Steer from Norwich. Making 6. Until 7-8 players leave, I can't see anymore coming till late on in the window. Seems to be decent work from Lambert and the board to back him with the players he has identified. Does seem very much scouting the potential ability on Football manager and hope they develop quickly, but fingers crossed they are the same sort of quality to last years lot.

One thing is for sure, he won't be able to say it is not his squad! 15 or so signed by him in under 12 months is an impressive speed of change.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 04:43:26 PM

Bennett is a very, very good footballer. What he is not is  good defender. I would hope anyone coming in would be a more solid defender.

I think it is premature to write off a 22 (or 23?) year old as not being a good defender. He was generally quite solid during the run-in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Like it but think your wit just flew over many people's heads.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 16, 2013, 05:23:03 PM

Quote

On 16 June 2013 Luna signed for Aston Villa FC for a fee within the region of €2-3 million, on a four year contract

I see someone's been busy on wiki!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2013, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on June 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Like it but think your wit just flew over many people's heads.

I nodded in respectful appreciation, but not sure what the correct smiley for nodding is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 16, 2013, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 16, 2013, 04:01:58 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 03:37:01 PM

I've seen him a few times and I'm not convinced he is currently any better then Bennett. Another one with potential.

Probably correct. At least with two kids we can rotate them a bit and have the opportunity to take them out of the firing line when needed. The competition may raise both of their games too.

Lambert has a lot of faith in his scouting team doesn't he. He is stubbornly signing these types of players when I'm sure he could hedge his bets a bit by spending a little bit more.

I don't think he is being "stubborn" he is signing up the young players that he thinks will improve the team. Plus we have no idea how much the board are going to back him financially.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 05:36:50 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2013, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on June 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Like it but think your wit just flew over many people's heads.

I nodded in respectful appreciation, but not sure what the correct smiley for nodding is.

Any good Brummie should get it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 16, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 05:36:50 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2013, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on June 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Like it but think your wit just flew over many people's heads.

I nodded in respectful appreciation, but not sure what the correct smiley for nodding is.

Any good Brummie should get it.

*nods*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 05:45:23 PM

Lets hope Luna helps us turn the tide at the back next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 05:48:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 04:43:26 PM

Bennett is a very, very good footballer. What he is not is  good defender. I would hope anyone coming in would be a more solid defender.

I think it is premature to write off a 22 (or 23?) year old as not being a good defender. He was generally quite solid during the run-in.

I have in no way written him off!! Indeed he is one of my bigger hopes for the future, but he does have to stay switched on for a whole game, and learn to leave people alone when they get tight on him. Molesting them will only end in tears!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 16, 2013, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2013, 02:32:44 PM

Lambert: hey Alan (think bubble- you useless thick fucker) - it's Paul. Hope you're having a fantastic time in Spain. What's that young full back Luna like?

Hutton - hey Paul (think bubble - what the fuck do you want?) - doing well mate. Love it out here. Hoping I can stay. Luna is a cracking young player. He'll do well in the PL.

Lambert : thanks Alan - (think bubble - you have no idea how much I want you to stay out there, or go anywhere else for that matter). Cheers mate good to know thanks. we might sign him. And believe me, we are doing literally everything we can to get you to stay there.

'Hutton, we have a problem'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2013, 06:56:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 16, 2013, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 16, 2013, 02:32:44 PM

Lambert: hey Alan (think bubble- you useless thick fucker) - it's Paul. Hope you're having a fantastic time in Spain. What's that young full back Luna like?

Hutton - hey Paul (think bubble - what the fuck do you want?) - doing well mate. Love it out here. Hoping I can stay. Luna is a cracking young player. He'll do well in the PL.

Lambert : thanks Alan - (think bubble - you have no idea how much I want you to stay out there, or go anywhere else for that matter). Cheers mate good to know thanks. we might sign him. And believe me, we are doing literally everything we can to get you to stay there.

'Hutton, we have a problem'

Winner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on June 16, 2013, 07:14:53 PM

Bennett will prove to be great. Richard Sneekes the ex-pro rates him very highly. I think Sneekes is better placed than any of us on here. I'd trust his and PL's judgement on the player. Patience needed...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 16, 2013, 07:15:18 PM

Song sorted  :)

If he doesn't sign, I'm sure that the same track will work for Bacuna as well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 16, 2013, 08:11:27 PM

Will holding the ball in the corner on the left to run the clock down for a one goal win become known as a Luna Tick?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 16, 2013, 08:39:04 PM

Dare we hope for any more coming in? Or will Luna be the last one?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 16, 2013, 08:41:02 PM

Is he flying in to sign tomorrow?

When is Luna landing?

BOOOOOOOOOM!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 16, 2013, 08:47:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:25:41 PM

It was always extremely apparent to me that Milner wouldn't succeed at City (though it depends on your definition of success) He was as much suited to us - probably more than any other player over these last several years - as he wasn't to Man City

City fans have high regard for him - they appreciate his workrate in a team where some strut about , I think he's played a decent amount of games at city and won trophies , his England career hasn't progressed so well as if he had stayed at villa where he looked superb in centre midfield.

Bang on, nut as my Man City fan said who would he replace in the middle? Toure? He's won a title playing in the Champions League, plays a lot for them, why would he move to us unless we were seriously challenging for anything?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 16, 2013, 08:50:48 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 16, 2013, 08:47:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 16, 2013, 01:25:41 PM

It was always extremely apparent to me that Milner wouldn't succeed at City (though it depends on your definition of success) He was as much suited to us - probably more than any other player over these last several years - as he wasn't to Man City

City fans have high regard for him - they appreciate his workrate in a team where some strut about , I think he's played a decent amount of games at city and won trophies , his England career hasn't progressed so well as if he had stayed at villa where he looked superb in centre midfield.

Bang on, nut as my Man City fan said who would he replace in the middle? Toure? He's won a title playing in the Champions League, plays a lot for them, why would he move to us unless we were seriously challenging for anything?

ould modify but 'nut'? Can't even rememberwhat that should have been. Ah, 'but'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 16, 2013, 09:35:30 PM

Is Younes Belhanda still coming  :P

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 16, 2013, 09:38:41 PM

Hope so!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on June 16, 2013, 10:09:10 PM

Sorry whilst Milner was a very good player for us, they absolutely no indication he is leaving Manchester City

Even if he was why would he come back to us at moment?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 16, 2013, 10:24:13 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2013, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: walsall villain on June 16, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 16, 2013, 02:09:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 16, 2013, 02:07:00 PM

I think Luna will fit nicely into the module  lambert is building.

If he does well for us I may start a society in his honour.

Like it but think your wit just flew over many people's heads.

I nodded in respectful appreciation, but not sure what the correct smiley for nodding is.

I also nodded appreciatively.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 10:35:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 05:48:03 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 16, 2013, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 16, 2013, 04:43:26 PM

Bennett is a very, very good footballer. What he is not is  good defender. I would hope anyone coming in would be a more solid defender.

I think it is premature to write off a 22 (or 23?) year old as not being a good defender. He was generally quite solid during the run-in.

I have in no way written him off!! Indeed he is one of my bigger hopes for the future, but he does have to stay switched on for a whole game, and learn to leave people alone when they get tight on him. Molesting them will only end in tears!

Fair enough. Your original statement came across as quite conclusive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 16, 2013, 10:49:27 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 16, 2013, 08:50:48 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 16, 2013, 08:47:59 PM

Bang on, nut as my Man City fan said who would he replace in the middle? Toure? He's won a title playing in the Champions League, plays a lot for them, why would he move to us unless we were seriously challenging for anything?

ould modify but 'nut'? Can't even rememberwhat that should have been. Ah, 'but'.

Whether nut or but I am shocked that you keep a man city fan as a pet or a concubine?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 12:41:32 AM

New Daily Mail article suggesting John Ruddy. Can't see that. Not too long ago he was picked in an England squad, so he'll not swap first choice at Norwich to back up Guzan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 01:13:50 AM

Some twitter rumour starts (in this case a Japanese guy who looks a really tidy little player for Nurenburg) and within a few hours people are asking when he is going to sign. We should play the "how far can your rumour go" game. Agree on a player, float it from ITK twitter and see if we can get it in the paper this year. I am sure we got close last.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 01:18:04 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 01:13:50 AM

Some twitter rumour starts (in this case a Japanese guy who looks a really tidy little player for Nurenburg) and within a few hours people are asking when he is going to sign. We should play the "how far can your rumour go" game. Agree on a player, float it from ITK twitter and see if we can get it in the paper this year. I am sure we got close last.

Twitter has made it that much easier to create rumours. See the majority of the Christian Benteke thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2013, 01:32:13 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-target-sevillas-antonio-1956882?


yes we know about Luna

the article if to be believed says Lambert wants rid of Ireland , Bannan and Holman ( good news if true )

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 02:44:02 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2013, 01:32:13 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-target-sevillas-antonio-1956882?


yes we know about Luna

the article if to be believed says Lambert wants rid of Ireland , Bannan and Holman ( good news if true )

I really like the fact that we have went and bought the players we wanted first having released some players and freed up wage space. Then invested wisely on up and coming players so now we can concentrate on getting rid of the remaining unwanted baggage. Too often in the past we've sold first, gotten desperate as the window drew to a close and ended up paying over the odds for new players. Now, if we can move out Ireland, Given, Bent, Hutton, Bannan and Holman we will have the flexibilty to bring in one or two additional players experenced or otherwise in whatever remains of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tsvet on June 17, 2013, 06:41:29 AM

Article says Villa offered Popov good personal contract, but Kuban  wanted too much money for him.  (direct quotes from him for the Russian Sport Express).
http://www.sportal.bg/news.php?news=432497

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 17, 2013, 08:21:28 AM

The Daily Star are reporting that Steve Bruce at Hull is preparing to make an offer for Bent, hope so as I would like to see a bidding war.

For a change I could actually see some truth in that rumour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:25:43 AM

Steve Bruce is planning to hijack Newcastle's move for Aston Villa outcast Darren Bent.

Hull boss Bruce has been searching for a proven scorer to beef-up his goal-shy attack ever since the Tigers clinched promotion back to the Premier League two months ago.

He has been linked with moves for Celtic's Gary Hooper, Charlie Austin, of Burnley, Wigan star Arouna Kone, Reading's Adam Le Fondre, and ex-Bolton hit-man Johan Elmander, who is looking for a way out at Galatasaray and a return to England.

But now he is ready to step in and beat dithering Toon chief Alan Pardew to Bent's signature.

Villa, who splashed out £24million to sign former England striker Bent from Sunderland just 29 months ago, now want only £6million to get him off their books .

But the Geordies are reluctant to pay that amount for the 29-year-old because they fear he will have no re-sale value.

Bent's £70,000-a-week wage demand is also a sticking point for Newcastle - and Hull would also expect the ex-Ipswich, Charlton and Tottenham marksman to take a pay cut.

But a source insisted:"Hull certainly wouldn't baulk at meeting Villa's asking price for Darren. When Steve Bruce was appointed Sunderland manager four years ago, he made Bent his first signing and he rates him very highly.

"Steve was bitterly disappointed when Darren decided to leave Wearside for Villa because he really felt the club and player were perfect for each other and could go places together.

"Hull know they need to boost their fire-power going into the top flight, and Brucey would love to bring Darren to Humberside."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: tsvet on June 17, 2013, 06:41:29 AM

Article says Villa offered Popov good personal contract, but Kuban  wanted too much money for him.  (direct quotes from him for the Russian Sport Express).
http://www.sportal.bg/news.php?news=432497

After the couple come in this week, I would imagine there will be 3-4 players that Lambert wants, but will not move for until some of the players he deems surplus are got out. Essentially we will have spent about £12 million this summer on 5 players. I would bet the budget is a lot bigger than that if the wages can be freed up, and 2-3 bigger fee (not necessarily known!) players might be on the agenda if others can be moved out. Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Given, Bannan, Stevens maybe, Holman. The first 1 and a half probably cover all 5 of the wages brought in so far.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2013, 08:41:53 AM

No to Hull, they would want us to pay too much off his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2013, 08:47:31 AM

Weren't Bent and Bruce's daughter an item for a while (still?)?

I'd have thought Bruce would not want Bent anywhere near one of his squads as a lot of the "bants" would potential involve his own daughter.  Footballers = Weird.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

Title: Very quick new player update
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 17, 2013, 09:18:55 AM

Not been on recently due to working all over the place

Can someone give me quick resume of who we have actually signed

Name
Club from
Position
Cost

I am not used to us doing business so fast so have not been able to keep up
thanks in advance

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:23:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: tsvet on June 17, 2013, 06:41:29 AM

Article says Villa offered Popov good personal contract, but Kuban  wanted too much money for him.  (direct quotes from him for the Russian Sport Express).
http://www.sportal.bg/news.php?news=432497

After the couple come in this week, I would imagine there will be 3-4 players that Lambert wants, but will not move for until some of the players he deems surplus are got out. Essentially we will have spent about £12 million this summer on 5 players. I would bet the budget is a lot bigger than that if the wages can be freed up, and 2-3 bigger fee (not necessarily known!) players might be on the agenda if others can be moved out. Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Given, Bannan, Stevens maybe, Holman. The first 1 and a half probably cover all 5 of the wages brought in so far.

I'm not so sure.

If you look at who we've signed, the serious links and who we expect/want to go, the squad should look something like this:-

Goalies - Guzan, Siegrist
RB - Lowton, Herd
LB - Bennett, Luna
CB - Vlaar, Okore, Baker, Clark
Midfield - Westwood, Delph, Sylla, Bacuna, KEA, Gardner
Forwards - Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Tonev, Helenius, Bowery

We need an experienced GK reserve and probably a specialist RB cover for Lowton, but those aren't going to be big money signings under Lambert.  The midfield could be argued to be weak, with many not rating KEA and holding back expectation on Gardner, but the first three showed real promise last season.

Lambert will not buy for the sake of buying, so I'm just not sure where a big signing would improve us to the point where it justified the outlay.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:26:26 AM

every highly rated player in europe under the age of 23 pretty much covers it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:29:28 AM

thanks for that but if national newspaper journalists don't know that Ely Catherdral is, in fact, in Ely, and not Cambridge, then maybe he did marry Steve's daughter after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 17, 2013, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:29:28 AM

thanks for that but if national newspaper journalists don't know that Ely Catherdral is, in fact, in Ely, and not Cambridge, then maybe he did marry Steve's daughter after all.

off topic but the Cathedral is really worth a visit.

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: UK Redsox on June 17, 2013, 09:40:14 AM

Apparently we're also about to sell Pauline to Spurs but DCF is holding up the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 09:40:33 AM

Nice photos- marrying  in a cathedral , nice to see our wages being out to good use.

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 17, 2013, 09:40:55 AM

Aleksander Tonev
Poznan
Attacking midfielder/winger
Cost £2m

Jores Okore
Nordsjaelland
Centre back
£4m

Leandro Bacuna
Groningen
Centre midfield
£1m

Close to signing:
Niklas Helenius
Aab
Striker
£2m?

Rumoured to be close to signing:

Antonio Luna
Sevilla
Left back
£1.5m

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 17, 2013, 09:41:39 AM

Also, Tonev might have been slightly more than I wrote. £2.5m?

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 09:42:08 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 17, 2013, 09:40:14 AM

Apparently we're also about to sell Pauline to Spurs but DCF is holding up the deal.

Dc5 has agreed the deal but spurs are stalling on a walnut whip as part of the deal, the bottle of sherry has been agreed in 2 instalments.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 09:44:14 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 17, 2013, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:29:28 AM

thanks for that but if national newspaper journalists don't know that Ely Catherdral is, in fact, in Ely, and not Cambridge, then maybe he did marry Steve's daughter after all.

off topic but the Cathedral is really worth a visit.

Yes it is! Apparently she has two chidren by Liam Ridgewell. Still at 29 he should have the maturity to bring them up as his own.

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2013, 09:46:34 AM

Merging into transfer thread

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 09:48:41 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 09:44:14 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 17, 2013, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:29:28 AM

thanks for that but if national newspaper journalists don't know that Ely Catherdral is, in fact, in Ely, and not Cambridge, then maybe he did marry Steve's daughter after all.

off topic but the Cathedral is really worth a visit.

Yes it is! Apparently she has two chidren by Liam Ridgewell. Still at 29 he should have the maturity to bring them up as his own.

Is she the one that cancelled the wedding to Ridgewell at very short notice?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 09:50:07 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 09:48:41 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 09:44:14 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 17, 2013, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:29:28 AM

thanks for that but if national newspaper journalists don't know that Ely Catherdral is, in fact, in Ely, and not Cambridge, then maybe he did marry Steve's daughter after all.

off topic but the Cathedral is really worth a visit.

Yes it is! Apparently she has two chidren by Liam Ridgewell. Still at 29 he should have the maturity to bring them up as his own.

Is she the one that cancelled the wedding to Ridgewell at very short notice?

8 days notice although I'd heard it was ridgewell who cancelled.

Title: Re: Very quick new player update
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2013, 09:51:31 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 09:42:08 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 17, 2013, 09:40:14 AM

Apparently we're also about to sell Pauline to Spurs but DCF is holding up the deal.

Dc5 has agreed the deal but spurs are stalling on a walnut whip as part of the deal, the bottle of sherry has been agreed in 2 instalments.

Would have had more chance when 'Arry was there. Look how highly he rated Sandra. QPR maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 10:00:52 AM

thing is, when you buy players as quickly as we do now, he probably hasn't met most of the squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 10:13:57 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe benno is in Mexico with his gf and as we know Tekkers is taking in Vegas.
Lowts and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if benty invited him .

I am sorry.. what?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:15:04 AM

I wouldn't read too much into it if not many players were at his wedding as most are on holiday :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 10:16:15 AM

It was the pet names that concerned me the most!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:18:17 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 10:16:15 AM

It was the pet names that concerned me the most!

They didnt take their pets ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:41:00 AM

Paul Lambert admits improving left-back Joe Bennett needs pressure on his place as Villa close in on a move for Spanish defender Antonio Luna.

Lambert kept faith with Bennett during a challenging first season for the former Middlesbrough defender because of a lack of competition.

Bennett has shown signs of improvement and the Villa manager has praised the 23-year-old for refusing to hide during the “hard times”.

But Lambert admits the claret and blues need alternative options in every position if they are to keep players’ performance levels high.

Villa hope to seal a deal for Luna after it was reported in the Spanish press yesterday that a fee has been agreed with La Liga club Sevilla.

“Joe’s getting better there is no doubt,” said Lambert. “He has been getting used to the league and the type of player he is going to be up against.

“Like anybody we will try and improve the squad everywhere. You have got to have competition and somebody breathing down your neck for your place but his performances over the last few months have been really high.

“Even in the hard times he didn’t hide, I think you can talk about people being brave but trying to take a ball in front of 40,000 people – that’s brave.

“To be fair to him he is a young lad but he has taken a lot on board the past few months.”

Villa have struggled with the left-back position in recent years, since Stephen Warnock’s impressive first season at the club in 2009-10.

Warnock’s form in subsequent campaigns slumped to such an extent that he was loaned out to Bolton before staying in the Championship by joining Leeds on a free transfer in January.

Central defenders Nathan Baker and Ciaran Clark, midfielder Fabian Delph and released right-back Eric Lichaj have also filled in at left-back with varying degrees of success.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2013, 10:44:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 10:13:57 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe benno is in Mexico with his gf and as we know Tekkers is taking in Vegas.
Lowts and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if benty invited him .

I am sorry.. what?

Brilliant. It's like Richie Rich and his great showbiz mates, Tarby and Lynchy. And Tommy O'Connory.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2013, 10:56:34 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

Gabz is in the Lickeys. Had a couple of excursions to Cadbury World and Aston Hall, and is taking the kids all the way round on the 11.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 10:58:42 AM

I wanna know what Vlaary and Bradders are up to innit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 17, 2013, 11:03:36 AM

Jus coz u iz not street like uz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 11:05:48 AM

the boy Dephi is great

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 17, 2013, 11:12:21 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

Crikey, eastie.

(http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/alanpartridge01.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 11:15:00 AM

I think Westy's losing the battle for wall space in that picture.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 17, 2013, 11:29:16 AM

The Bentster was married in the sight of God.

McGrath-o never misses a wedding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(
The situation in a nutshell is most of our players are on holiday so if they didnt attend mr bents wedding it is nothing to worry about.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 17, 2013, 11:34:57 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(

Never you mind, eastiey. They're only jealous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2013, 11:44:07 AM

Jealousy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on June 17, 2013, 11:45:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(
The situation in a nutshell is most of our players are on holiday so if they didnt attend mr bents wedding it is nothing to worry about.

Or he may not have invited them. I'm not inviting any of my colleagues to my wedding. Not because I dont like them, but because we've already got 130 people coming and that is plenty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 17, 2013, 11:50:01 AM

Quote from: LeeS on June 17, 2013, 11:45:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(
The situation in a nutshell is most of our players are on holiday so if they didnt attend mr bents wedding it is nothing to worry about.

Or he may not have invited them. I'm not inviting any of my colleagues to my wedding. Not because I dont like them, but because we've already got 130 people coming and that is plenty.

it sure is ! :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 11:52:41 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(
The situation in a nutshell is most of our players are on holiday so if they didnt attend mr bents wedding it is nothing to worry about.

You are so very sad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2013, 11:59:04 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

I'd never have guessed that Westwood has such a complicated personal life.
You're certainly 'in the know', eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2013, 12:15:34 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 17, 2013, 11:59:04 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

I'd never have guessed that Westwood has such a complicated personal life.
You're certainly 'in the know', eastie.

Eastie is well in with Westy, and probably knows Northie and Southy as well. He doesn't need a compass to stop him from meeting himself coming back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:21:50 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 11:52:41 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 11:33:06 AM

Goodness gracious me :(
The situation in a nutshell is most of our players are on holiday so if they didnt attend mr bents wedding it is nothing to worry about.

You are so very sad

Oh come on now tv - better to have a laugh and a joke than to constantly snipe and gripe like some !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:23:19 PM

Can I take from this that we're looking to sign Bent's wedding planner?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:23:19 PM

Can I take from this that we're looking to sign Bent's wedding planner?

Or the bishop of Ely as our new stadium announcer ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:32:23 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:23:19 PM

Can I take from this that we're looking to sign Bent's wedding planner?

Or the bishop of Ely as our new stadium announcer ;)

"and our Lord Mcgrath did say unto thee the official match attendance be-eth..."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2013, 12:33:27 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:23:19 PM

Can I take from this that we're looking to sign Bent's wedding planner?

Or the bishop of Ely as our new stadium announcer ;)

The bishop's buggered off to Bora Bora with his boyfriend, Bosie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 12:38:51 PM

is that  simony or sodomy? Or both?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2013, 12:41:00 PM

Quote from: Jimbo on June 17, 2013, 12:33:27 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:24:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 12:23:19 PM

Can I take from this that we're looking to sign Bent's wedding planner?

Or the bishop of Ely as our new stadium announcer ;)

The bishop's buggered off to Bora Bora with his boyfriend, Bosie.

That might well hurt one of them in the end. Bosie shudda stuck to beating the bishop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2013, 12:47:10 PM

Express and Star sez:

Quote

The left-back is tipped to become the next of boss Paul Lambert’s growing foreign legion after Villa reportedly agreed a £1.5million fee.

A three-year deal is on the table for the 22-year-old who spent last season on loan with Villa misfit Alan Hutton at Mallorca.

Luna, who can also play on the left of midfield, has been capped up to under-20 level by Spain but has found his chances at Los Rojiblancos limited in the last two years.

He was loaned out to Almeria in 2011 while he spent time at Mallorca with Hutton last season as they were relegated from La Liga.

He came through the ranks at Sevilla and helped them win the 2010 Copa del Rey with victory over Atletico Madrid.

Lambert was seeking competition for Joe Bennett after the left-back endured some tough times after his £2.7million move from Middlesbrough last year.

The manager has targeted foreign buys this summer and wanted up to six players to rebuild the squad.

Lambert has already signed Aleksandar Tonev from Lech Poznan, Jores Okore from FC Nordsjaelland and Groningen winger Leandro Bacuna.

He is expected to tie up the capture of striker Nicklas Helenius from Aalborg in the next 48 hours.

Villa are believed to have agreed a fee of £1.2million plus add ons for the 22-year-old, who scored 16 goals last season.

Lambert is hunting for bargains as he looks to shift the higher earners off the wage bill.

Hull are reportedly ready to rival Newcastle for Darren Bent and are prepared to match Villa’s £6million price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:55:26 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Jordie bow !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2013, 12:55:36 PM

Boweryyy?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2013, 12:56:43 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

You talkin' 'bout Jordy Bee?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 17, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Jo Bo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 17, 2013, 12:57:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

Loan him out I think. He needs regular football and a season in the Championship would give us an indication of his talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:58:02 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on June 17, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Jo Bo.

Indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 17, 2013, 12:58:27 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

How about Leigh?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2013, 01:04:09 PM

We should should just start using his real name, Katie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 17, 2013, 01:19:07 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 17, 2013, 12:57:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

Loan him out I think. He needs regular football and a season in the Championship would give us an indication of his talent.

Yep but send him to team who plays football - Brighton or Watford or Derby not some clogging hoofball merchants.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on June 17, 2013, 01:33:16 PM

I also think Bowery should be loaned out to a Championship club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 17, 2013, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.

Surely you mean Tekkers?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 17, 2013, 01:54:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

Nice summary of the lads' summers but who the feck is Frankie?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 01:57:06 PM

Frankie Howard went with Ash Wee and his missus. Having a great time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2013, 01:57:53 PM

Frankie, do you remember?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 01:58:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 17, 2013, 01:54:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 10:01:13 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Does anyone know if any of the other players/staff attended?

If not, you'd say that's a clear sign he's unpopular amongst the rest of the squad and part of the reason he's likely to leave.

I saw photos of him at a wedding last week with Gary Gardner .
A few players are on holiday  the moment Gary is in Marbella and ash westy has just flown out with his fiancé and frankie for a few days in the sun.
Joe Bennett is in Mexico with his gf and as we know benteke is taking in Vegas.
Lowton  and abi have just returned from a holiday in Ibiza with the kids  but no idea if bent invited him .

Nice summary of the lads' summers but who the feck is Frankie?

10 month old son.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 02:00:32 PM

This is all a bit stalkerish Eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 17, 2013, 02:00:37 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 09:23:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 08:36:08 AM

Quote from: tsvet on June 17, 2013, 06:41:29 AM

Article says Villa offered Popov good personal contract, but Kuban  wanted too much money for him.  (direct quotes from him for the Russian Sport Express).
http://www.sportal.bg/news.php?news=432497

After the couple come in this week, I would imagine there will be 3-4 players that Lambert wants, but will not move for until some of the players he deems surplus are got out. Essentially we will have spent about £12 million this summer on 5 players. I would bet the budget is a lot bigger than that if the wages can be freed up, and 2-3 bigger fee (not necessarily known!) players might be on the agenda if others can be moved out. Ireland, Bent, Hutton, Given, Bannan, Stevens maybe, Holman. The first 1 and a half probably cover all 5 of the wages brought in so far.

I'm not so sure.

If you look at who we've signed, the serious links and who we expect/want to go, the squad should look something like this:-

Goalies - Guzan, Siegrist
RB - Lowton, Herd
LB - Bennett, Luna
CB - Vlaar, Okore, Baker, Clark
Midfield - Westwood, Delph, Sylla, Bacuna, KEA, Gardner
Forwards - Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Tonev, Helenius, Bowery

We need an experienced GK reserve and probably a specialist RB cover for Lowton, but those aren't going to be big money signings under Lambert.  The midfield could be argued to be weak, with many not rating KEA and holding back expectation on Gardner, but the first three showed real promise last season.

Lambert will not buy for the sake of buying, so I'm just not sure where a big signing would improve us to the point where it justified the outlay.   

I agree, the Spanish lad will be the 5th incomer, so a right back and a keeper on top, 7 in, and we should be sorted.  Robinson and Johnson have signed new contracts and Drennan, Burke and Carruthers offered new deals, whilst Williams looks like he's off.  Just leaves us with the small matter of signing Benteke up and shifting an entire team of deadwood, as follows,

                             Given
                   Hutton Herd Stevens
Albrighton Holman Ireland Bannan N'Zogbia
                       Bent Delfouneso

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep herd, he can cover a few roles in an emergercy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 02:04:17 PM

We should keep a running total of ITK twitter shite too. From now moving forward, to see if anyone, ever gets anything right.

My helping of the day. A fake Lee Camp claiming amongst other deals, that Henri Lansbury is coming to Villa.

How many nationals will link us too him now in the next week. I am going to keep score.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2013, 02:07:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 02:04:17 PM

We should keep a running total of ITK twitter shite too. From now moving forward, to see if anyone, ever gets anything right.

My helping of the day. A fake Lee Camp claiming amongst other deals, that Henri Lansbury is coming to Villa.

How many nationals will link us too him now in the next week. I am going to keep score.

Maybe Henri's mom can solve the mystery.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:07:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 02:04:17 PM

We should keep a running total of ITK twitter shite too. From now moving forward, to see if anyone, ever gets anything right.

My helping of the day. A fake Lee Camp claiming amongst other deals, that Henri Lansbury is coming to Villa.

How many nationals will link us too him now in the next week. I am going to keep score.

Lansbury was was of the best players at Norwich when lambert had him there on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2013, 02:10:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2013, 02:07:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 02:04:17 PM

We should keep a running total of ITK twitter shite too. From now moving forward, to see if anyone, ever gets anything right.

My helping of the day. A fake Lee Camp claiming amongst other deals, that Henri Lansbury is coming to Villa.

How many nationals will link us too him now in the next week. I am going to keep score.

Maybe Henri's mom can solve the mystery.

I'd never even hearda the scrote.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 17, 2013, 02:11:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep herd, he can cover a few roles in an emergercy.

  Given he played almost an entire season for us in central midfield I dont see him being happy playing second fiddle at right back and being 7 or 8th choice in central midfield, so I can see him going if a championship or similar team come in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 17, 2013, 02:15:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep herd, he can cover a few roles in an emergercy.

The Herdster?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 02:17:33 PM

Herdo?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 17, 2013, 02:20:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep herd, he can cover a few roles in an emergercy.

He could always babysit Frankie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 02:24:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep hard

Judging by the enthusiasm in your post eastie it appears you were at all times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2013, 02:24:41 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 17, 2013, 02:15:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:02:25 PM

I think I'd keep herd, he can cover a few roles in an emergercy.

The Herdster?

The Herdy Gerdy Man?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:27:13 PM

Brett Holman has re-iterated that he might need to quit Villa for first team football, particularly if Australia qualify for the World Cup.

Holman, who can help the Socceroos reach Brazil 2014 by beating Iraq in Sydney on Tuesday, was a peripheral figure at Villa during the second half of the season.

The 29-year-old midfielder, signed by former Villa boss Alex McLeish, fears he could lose his Australia place if he is not playing regularly at club level.

But the former AZ Alkmaar favourite is adopting a relaxed approach to his claret and blue future rather than panicking.

“Considering what happens after Tuesday night and, obviously if we get a win, I’ll have to look at the best place where I’ll play football,” said Holman.

“I have to be playing to be fit.

“If that’s at Villa then so be it, if not, then so be it as well.

“I’ve still got two more years at Villa, so it’s not as if I’m in a panic situation where I’m looking for a club and I’m desperately looking to get out.

“We’ll just see what happens next season.”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 02:30:24 PM

Holmy needs to look elsewhere in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 17, 2013, 02:30:40 PM

Don't think Bretters will be a Villa man for much longer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 02:35:43 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 17, 2013, 02:30:40 PM

Don't think Bretters will be a Villa man for much longer.

. Promising start but he never really built on it - similar to kea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 17, 2013, 02:39:24 PM

Yes, another one on the out of the door list.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 17, 2013, 02:43:05 PM

Had an interesting conversation with some Danish visitors at a birthday party over the weekend.They came from Aallborg and they thought that Helenius would need to up his upper body strength to cope with PL but has an eye for the goal, so may be one for the year after.This might fit with us getting an extra year out of Benteke.

Their comments were much more positive over Okore , they thought he is the real deal and we've got at good one there.

Happier days being a Villa fan these days.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 02:58:33 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 17, 2013, 02:43:05 PM

Had an interesting conversation with some Danish visitors at a birthday party over the weekend.They came from Aallborg and they thought that Helenius would need to up his upper body strength to cope with PL but has an eye for the goal, so may be one for the year after.This might fit with us getting an extra year out of Benteke.

Their comments were much more positive over Okore , they thought he is the real deal and we've got at good one there.

Happier days being a Villa fan these days.....

Still encouraging though as we need Okore to hit the ground running, but can probably afford to wait and develop Helenius.  Presuming he signs, of course!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:00:48 PM

Yes, looks like lambert has done well with the 2 Danes by all accounts - exciting times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:03:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:00:48 PM

Yes, looks like lambert has done well with the 2 Danes by all accounts - exciting times.

Yeah the big O and Helly look great signings for the money. I hope Tonny, Mooner and L dog are just as good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 03:04:21 PM

Gosh, how romantic. dinner with Danish chums. I always thought I would be lucky enough to command a multicultural network of friends when I grew up, and often thought I would enjoy visting the grandchildren in exotic places, travelling the globe and reading all the books i promised myself i would once I got  the time and so forth. I'm genuinely envious, I wish I knew Danish people better, especially those two birds from The Killing and Borgen. As it is, I am going to have to content myself with some box sets and enjoing Jores and Helenius down at the Villa. Excuse this post, its just the mood I'm in, especially as Villa Kicks seems to have weened himself off the medication.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:09:49 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 03:04:21 PM

Gosh, how romantic. dinner with Danish chums. I always thought I would be lucky enough to command a multicultural network of friends when I grew up, and often thought I would enjoy visting the grandchildren in exotic places, travelling the globe and reading all the books i promised myself i would once I got  the time and so forth. I'm genuinely envious, I wish I knew Danish people better, especially those two birds from The Killing and Borgen. As it is, I am going to have to content myself with some box sets and enjoing Jores and Helenius down at the Villa. Excuse this post, its just the mood I'm in, especially as Villa Kicks seems to have weened himself off the medication.

Don't worry undies, we are here for you !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 17, 2013, 03:10:01 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:03:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:00:48 PM

Yes, looks like lambert has done well with the 2 Danes by all accounts - exciting times.

Yeah the big O and Helly look great signings for the money. I hope Tonny, Mooner and L dog are just as good.

I like it  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 17, 2013, 03:10:12 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 03:04:21 PM

Gosh, how romantic. dinner with Danish chums. I always thought I would be lucky enough to command a multicultural network of friends when I grew up, and often thought I would enjoy visting the grandchildren in exotic places, travelling the globe and reading all the books i promised myself i would once I got  the time and so forth. I'm genuinely envious, I wish I knew Danish people better, especially those two birds from The Killing and Borgen. As it is, I am going to have to content myself with some box sets and enjoing Jores and Helenius down at the Villa. Excuse this post, its just the mood I'm in, especially as Villa Kicks seems to have weened himself off the medication.

We also introduced them to the great British art of pisstaking, its just a shame I hadn't known about your desires , we could have invited you to join us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 17, 2013, 03:10:25 PM

There are a number of people here, none of whom appear to be particularly young, who seem to have their accounts hacked by Steve McLaren using over familiar shortened versions of player's names.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:12:32 PM

Don't sweat it RB dude, we are learning from the big kahuna in the East yo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 17, 2013, 03:13:02 PM

The Bridgemeister has a point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 17, 2013, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 17, 2013, 03:10:25 PM

There are a number of people here, none of whom appear to be particularly young, who seem to have their accounts hacked by Steve McLaren using over familiar shortened versions of player's names.

Great post Robbie B.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:14:51 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:12:32 PM

Don't sweat it RB dude, we are learning from the big kahuna in the East yo.

Ozzie j is bang on .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 03:16:05 PM

Yeah, Robski is talking sense. I think we may have picked it up from Easto.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 03:17:01 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 17, 2013, 03:10:25 PM

There are a number of people here, none of whom appear to be particularly young, who seem to have their accounts hacked by Steve McLaren using over familiar shortened versions of player's names.

Eastie's been watching England in the cricket, the calls of good bowling from Broady and Swanny and good work in the field from Cooky and Belly has got to his head.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 17, 2013, 03:17:46 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on June 17, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Jo Bo.

Choose any from the original ' Bowery Boys ' U.S. Film Series ( Saturday Morning Minors ?....anyone ?  ) 1946-58
 “ Slip “ , "Sach" ,”  “ Bobby “ , “ Whitey “  “ Chuck “ or “ Scruno" .
In fact , Bobby Jordan was one of the lead actors . Jordan / Bowery Boys , geddit ? .........Ah well , I guess you had to be there at the time ! ..................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:23:55 PM

You have to have some losely sound based names that are nowhere near the actual name.

So Bowery would become "the brewer" - no one would know if it was down to his love of ale or his name, but it would stick over time. Just sticking a y on the end is so 1996.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 03:31:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Mods - that's a name change request if ever I saw one!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 03:32:11 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Superb!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 17, 2013, 03:40:47 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 17, 2013, 03:17:46 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on June 17, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 17, 2013, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 12:44:13 PM

Jordan Bowery seems to be slipping down the pecking order - should we sell or loan him out ?

I think he needs you to give him a cute nickname to make him feel more like one of the boys and raise his profile.

Jo Bo.

Choose any from the original ' Bowery Boys ' U.S. Film Series ( Saturday Morning Minors ?....anyone ?  ) 1946-58
 “ Slip “ , "Sach" ,”  “ Bobby “ , “ Whitey “  “ Chuck “ or “ Scruno" .
In fact , Bobby Jordan was one of the lead actors . Jordan / Bowery Boys , geddit ? .........Ah well , I guess you had to be there at the time ! ..................Godzvilla!

Bobby Bowery ???   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:44:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

He certainly has been ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 03:57:32 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

Sweeeeeet

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 17, 2013, 04:12:19 PM

I feel like ive stumbled across lost footage from a Mark and Lard sketch from Radio 1 in the late 90s.  (Thats Marra and Lardoh to you)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 17, 2013, 04:21:20 PM

Mushn't grumble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 04:42:47 PM

Interesting piece about luna-

The Spanish press wire is rife with the news that Sevilla left-back Antonio Luna is set to sign for Aston Villa, after Marca reported Villa have had a €1.7million offer accepted.

The 22-year-old spent half of the 2012-13 season on loan at Mallorca in an effort to find regular first-team football, but did in fact start and win the Copa del Rey final vs. Atletico Madrid in 2010.

At €1.7 million, it represents another Paul Lambert bargain, but what can we expect from the little-known Spaniard? Here’s a breakdown of his style, strengths and weaknesses.

Luna plays primarily as a left-back, but has been known to cameo at left-wing due to his attacking tendencies.

He’s as you would expect from a Spanish U21 international on the ball—calm, composed and eager to drive forward. His quick feet allow him to play smooth give-and-goes, while he’s always looking for the positive ball.

Sometimes he comes across as too eager, perhaps forcing passes between the lines that carry a high risk factor or don’t look fully “on.”

He’s great in tight spaces, trusts his ability on the ball and rarely panics by lumping it; his inexperience is both a positive and a negative here, as there are some cases when he truly should be getting rid of it Alan Hutton-style.



When his teammates are on the ball, he provides an outlet. Happy to get his foot on it and get involved, he is adept at creating angles for his centre-backs to use. He does this by drifting forward 5-10 yards ahead of the ball player when possible, stretching the marking system the opponents use.

Mallorca favoured a 4-2-3-1 formation, but their avenue for attack depended largely on which flank Giovani dos Santos was on. Favouring the right more often than not, it was Hutton who saw more of the ball in attacking areas, not Luna.

Even still, he was adept at keeping the formation balanced and wide, stretching the pitch and creeping forward when possible. Villa currently host a similar situation, with Matthew Lowton heavily favoured going forward.

When given time in possession, Luna is adept at cutting inward to find space, starting attacks and playing cross-field balls—the latter being a valuable trait given that Lowton can do the same.

Defensively, he has work to do.

He represents the polar opposite in tendencies to current incumbent Joe Bennett, and while many Villa fans will draw positives from that, he represents an incredibly raw and instinctive project.

When his side retreat off the ball, Luna’s a little rash in stepping out to meet his marker.



Rather than hide behind the nearest centre-back á la Bennett, he steams forward and engages too early, leaving holes. A dedicated defensive midfielder will be able to plug the gap, and the similarity in systems should help, but Luna can find himself a whopping 10-12 yards too far forward.

Lucky he has the pace to recover.

At 5’9″ he’s understandably shy in an aerial sense, but holds his ground well nonetheless.

Squawka clocked Luna at an average of seven defensive actions per game, a 73 percent pass success rate and a total of eight chances created throughout his time on loan at Mallorca.

Battling in a relegated side, the team’s downward trajectory affected his score. But he always came across as a confident, positive, creative outlet. Luna appears a summer of defensive coaching away from being a truly all-encompassing prospect at left-back for Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 17, 2013, 04:47:12 PM

funny how the modern left and right defender nowadays is ever so good at everthing apart from...defending

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2013, 05:04:09 PM

Where's the from eastie? Interesting read...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 05:10:32 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2013, 05:04:09 PM

Where's the from eastie? Interesting read...

Kendrick tweeted the link-

@MatKendrick: Luna see: A tactical look at #avfc left-back target Antonio Luna, courtesy of @stighefootball http://t.co/0lr060BMVW

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villabear on June 17, 2013, 05:13:31 PM

Stop.............................................carry on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2013, 05:19:37 PM

Quote from: john e on June 17, 2013, 04:47:12 PM

funny how the modern left and right defender nowadays is ever so good at everthing apart from...defending

Sounds like a mirror image of Bennett actually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2013, 06:03:55 PM

Is it Joe Bennett, Mark? Sounds just like him...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 06:08:09 PM

Quote from: john e on June 17, 2013, 04:47:12 PM

funny how the modern left and right defender nowadays is ever so good at everthing apart from...defending

In their early 20s it's understandable, teaching a good footballer to be a good defender is easier than the other way round.  In the centre it's harder to give them the chance to make the mistakes they need to learn (i.e. Ciaran Clark) but at full back so long as you have the right application and effort and provide something at the other end you can be 'worked around' (i.e. Matt Lowton).  Bennett's issue for the first 2/3rds of last season is that he wasn't providing at the other end, once he started to contribute people got behind him.

The issue with having 2 developing full backs is that your central midfield is under a lot of pressure to plug gaps and you're vulnerable to cross-field passes (which were our bane last year).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 17, 2013, 06:11:03 PM

after signing the spanish left back, danish striker and back up goalkeeper. I can't see how much we can add to our team apart from right back and maybe another midfielder once we sell 2 or 3 players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 06:28:23 PM

I think another mid, right back cover, and maybe another forward will still be on the list. Tricky player, centre mid and right back similar to Luna. Add those too and the squad will be about as complete and adaptable as it has looked in years. Quite a feat from where Lambert started 12 months ago. Also able to be flexible in 3-4 formations.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 17, 2013, 07:29:38 PM

As far as midfielders are concerned, I think we need someone with a bit of flair, or creativity or whatever you want to call it.  Someone who can unlock a defence with a pass

Basically, a not-shit-and-lazy Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 17, 2013, 07:43:03 PM

If we can keep benteke, I agree a proper number 10 is the area we'd splash out on. But we need to get a few off the books first. And there are limits as to how proven a player we can get.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on June 17, 2013, 08:00:17 PM

There will still be the case for a couple of players around the £6-£8m mark as per Benteke. Bit more proven and a bit more experience, but you clearly have to pay for those types of qualities.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:04:02 PM

Quote from: London Villan on June 17, 2013, 08:00:17 PM

There will still be the case for a couple of players around the £6-£8m mark as per Benteke. Bit more proven and a bit more experience, but you clearly have to pay for those types of qualities.

Belhanda for £12m and cover for right back and keeper at around £2m each would be fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2013, 08:20:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:04:02 PM

Quote from: London Villan on June 17, 2013, 08:00:17 PM

There will still be the case for a couple of players around the £6-£8m mark as per Benteke. Bit more proven and a bit more experience, but you clearly have to pay for those types of qualities.

Belhanda for £12m and cover for right back and keeper at around £2m each would be fine.

Has Belhanda gone anywhere after their chairman's brain fart?
Whilst I doubt we ever bid for the player there certainly seemed to be some wiling from the player so you never know a Dempsey style bid may materialise near the end of the window, but I'm not holding my breath.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2013, 08:22:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:44:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

He certainly has been ;)

It's the silliest name ever ...since eastie19!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:23:54 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 17, 2013, 08:22:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:44:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

He certainly has been ;)

It's the silliest name ever ...since eastie19!

That has never ever been my username affers old chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 08:35:30 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:23:54 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 17, 2013, 08:22:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 03:44:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 17, 2013, 03:41:25 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 03:28:15 PM

Please refer to me as T-Viddy from now on

Done.

He certainly has been ;)

It's the silliest name ever ...since eastie19!

That has never ever been my username old chap.

Haha, what happened to the bit where you called him affers?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 08:36:51 PM

I would suggest that if the Helenius signing is sealed and somehow Lambert & Faulkner get Benteke to sign a one year contract that my friends will be it. All before the end of June....remarkable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:37:54 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 08:36:51 PM

I would suggest that if the Helenius signing is sealed and somehow Lambert & Faulkner get Benteke to sign a one year contract that my friends will be it. And all before the end of June....remarkable.

Still think there will be cover at right back and keeper maybe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2013, 08:52:36 PM

Still desperate for an experienced CB. You can't honestly say that any of our CB's looked up to much last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2013, 08:57:40 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2013, 08:52:36 PM

Still desperate for an experienced CB. You can't honestly say that any of our CB's looked up to much last season.

See I think right now, this early there's no rush for those types of players. That will come towards the end of the window, when the players get more anxious to move and the the club becomes more desperate to move them. Depending on what Pellegrini does, as an example will influence how some existing players see their future at Man City. Much will change between now and the deadline so I wouldn't rule anything out yet. We've just gone about and got our young players in early which the club deserves huge credit for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 17, 2013, 09:02:53 PM

I can't see us getting the experienced CB some are hoping/expecting. He'll have looked at what we have as the experience now and adding younger, newer talent to that. Hence Okore.

But as T-Viddy (still makes me laugh) said the experienced players we do get if we do get them will come towards the end of the window. But I don't see a centre back being one of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:07:47 PM

i don't think anyone surplus to requirement at Manchester City will be steering their bentley gt continentals into BH any time soon and nor would PL want them to. IMHO the policy is youth, youth and more youth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 17, 2013, 09:14:22 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 17, 2013, 08:37:54 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on June 17, 2013, 08:36:51 PM

I would suggest that if the Helenius signing is sealed and somehow Lambert & Faulkner get Benteke to sign a one year contract that my friends will be it. And all before the end of June....remarkable.

Still think there will be cover at right back and keeper maybe.

Getting a bit greedy now mate. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 17, 2013, 09:25:31 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:07:47 PM

i don't think anyone surplus to requirement at Manchester City will be steering their bentley gt continentals into BH any time soon and nor would PL want them to. IMHO the policy is youth, youth and more youth.

IMHO its signings with potential and a sell on value. Value fo money fo sure - Lambert and avfc having to play cards dealt. The deal is a restricted budget wages and fees - reflected on the purchases. The main worry always is the lack of premier league experience for these footballers and getting them in early helps them hit the ground running. Good job.       

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 17, 2013, 10:10:28 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2013, 08:52:36 PM

Still desperate for an experienced CB. You can't honestly say that any of our CB's looked up to much last season.

You do know that our centre backs were part of our team that dramatically improved for the last three months of the season?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 10:13:29 PM

The Crewe manager reckons Luke Murphy won't be there next season. I'd be surprised if he came here unless we enquired and they wanted too much so turned our attention to this Luna chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2013, 10:15:19 PM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 17, 2013, 08:35:30 PM

Haha, what happened to the bit where you called him affers?

I thought it was ok and rather suited the PaulWinchAgain cricket  thread in the best naming tradition of Henry Bloers!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on June 17, 2013, 10:54:34 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 10:13:29 PM

The Crewe manager reckons Luke Murphy won't be there next season. I'd be surprised if he came here unless we enquired and they wanted too much so turned our attention to this Luna chap.

Murphy is a midfielder, but I'd expect any move for him will be made if or when we move out Ireland, Holman or Bannan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 10:58:02 PM

Quote from: john2710 on June 17, 2013, 10:54:34 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 17, 2013, 10:13:29 PM

The Crewe manager reckons Luke Murphy won't be there next season. I'd be surprised if he came here unless we enquired and they wanted too much so turned our attention to this Luna chap.

Murphy is a midfielder, but I'd expect any move for him will be made if or when we move out Ireland, Holman or Bannan.

I thought he was a left back?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 17, 2013, 11:03:48 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 17, 2013, 10:10:28 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2013, 08:52:36 PM

Still desperate for an experienced CB. You can't honestly say that any of our CB's looked up to much last season.

You do know that our centre backs were part of our team that dramatically improved for the last three months of the season?

And inexperience didn't stop Lambert playing them all season! And the full-backs!
He's mentioned that Okore, for instance, doesn't have Prem experience but he has played at international level and in the Champions' League. The Prem experience will come with games, as proved by our defence last season as Shrek so eloquently conveys!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on June 17, 2013, 11:22:06 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 17, 2013, 11:03:48 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 17, 2013, 10:10:28 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2013, 08:52:36 PM

Still desperate for an experienced CB. You can't honestly say that any of our CB's looked up to much last season.

I still think Vlaar is shit.
You do know that our centre backs were part of our team that dramatically improved for the last three months of the season?

And inexperience didn't stop Lambert playing them all season! And the full-backs!
He's mentioned that Okore, for instance, doesn't have Prem experience but he has played at international level and in the Champions' League. The Prem experience will come with games, as proved by our defence last season as Shrek so eloquently conveys!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 17, 2013, 11:48:32 PM

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/andy-goldsteins-sports-bar/130617/joe-kinnear-his-newcastle-return-alan-pardew-and-toon-media-199848

Incredible nonsense from Joe Kinnear (including some phenomenal attempts at pronouncing some surnames (which I'm sure is accidental)). Relevant to this thread as he's obviously desperate to get them a striker, meaning a bid for Bent could be imminent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 18, 2013, 12:23:47 AM

Quote from: RussellC on June 17, 2013, 11:48:32 PM

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/andy-goldsteins-sports-bar/130617/joe-kinnear-his-newcastle-return-alan-pardew-and-toon-media-199848

Incredible nonsense from Joe Kinnear (including some phenomenal attempts at pronouncing some surnames (which I'm sure is accidental)). Relevant to this thread as he's obviously desperate to get them a striker, meaning a bid for Bent could be imminent.

He talks about getting in a striker as if that's problem solved!
Seems to me as if he's got someone specific in mind as he knows all about "quality" players, as if no-one else does (especially Pardew?), and Bent is the only English striker on the market of note.
Talks about his great transfer deals as if they were last week, not 20/25 years ago!
Bit sad really. But if that's what Ashley wants to buy into, fair enough!
At least he didn't appoint the manager of their local rivals who he'd just got relegated!
Now that would be fu**in' barmy!
;-)
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 01:49:13 AM

The way he talks about moving a 2 million player or two out for a chance to get a 6 million player made me think he has been playing football manager non stop since he got ill. It would also tally with some of his other claims!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2013, 05:08:00 AM

This site's gone downhill. Time was you'd get up in the morning and have a whole raft of new posts to read. Now? Sod all!

The 'Fans Worried About Villa's Future' thread didn't get where it is today through people going to sleep at night. Where are all the insomniacs and Aussies? What's peter w doing in a sensible time zone?

Gone are the days I used to get in totally wasted at 4am, drunkenly abuse some antipodeans and spend the next day apologising and pm-ing mods begging them to delete stuff and not ban me.

Pull your fingers out lads!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 07:36:58 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2013, 05:08:00 AM

This site's gone downhill. Time was you'd get up in the morning and have a whole raft of new posts to read. Now? Sod all!

The 'Fans Worried About Villa's Future' thread didn't get where it is today through people going to sleep at night. Where are all the insomniacs and Aussies? What's peter w doing in a sensible time zone?

Gone are the days I used to get in totally wasted at 4am, drunkenly abuse some antipodeans and spend the next day apologising and pm-ing mods begging them to delete stuff and not ban me.

Pull your fingers out lads!

It has been a while since one of those PMs.... good times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 18, 2013, 07:44:03 AM

If it's any consolation, the whole thing will go to shit as soon as we kick off in August. The Lambertometer will see a full swing back to 'Out' after 3 games as we only win 2 out of 3, drawing the other.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 18, 2013, 07:56:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 07:36:58 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2013, 05:08:00 AM

This site's gone downhill. Time was you'd get up in the morning and have a whole raft of new posts to read. Now? Sod all!

The 'Fans Worried About Villa's Future' thread didn't get where it is today through people going to sleep at night. Where are all the insomniacs and Aussies? What's peter w doing in a sensible time zone?

Gone are the days I used to get in totally wasted at 4am, drunkenly abuse some antipodeans and spend the next day apologising and pm-ing mods begging them to delete stuff and not ban me.

Pull your fingers out lads!

It has been a while since one of those PMs.... good times.

I've sent a few. *Cringes, turns bright red*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 18, 2013, 07:59:02 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2013, 03:17:01 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 17, 2013, 03:10:25 PM

There are a number of people here, none of whom appear to be particularly young, who seem to have their accounts hacked by Steve McLaren using over familiar shortened versions of player's names.

Eastie's been watching England in the cricket, the calls of good bowling from Broady and Swanny and good work in the field from Cooky and Belly has got to his head.

Nope, it all started when Legion was asked; "where is the Holtey End ?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 08:03:07 AM

Guzan still has another World Cup game yet so i expect he will have extra time off before pre season - a chance maybe to test siegrist .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: aev on June 18, 2013, 08:18:55 AM

The Guzanmeister.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 08:19:59 AM

I believe, at Chivas, it was El Guzano!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 18, 2013, 08:21:46 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 08:03:07 AM

Guzan still has another World Cup game yet so i expect he will have extra time off before pre season - a chance maybe to test siegrist .

Exactly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on June 18, 2013, 08:25:30 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 01:49:13 AM

The way he talks about moving a 2 million player or two out for a chance to get a 6 million player made me think he has been playing football manager non stop since he got ill. It would also tally with some of his other claims!

I think he may still be ill, the whole thing is a nonsense.  Why has there been no official statement from NUFC?  They might be there thinking how the feck do we get out of this, fire him before he is employed?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 08:53:13 AM

Any news on when we are signing these 2 players?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2013, 08:54:42 AM

By Friday or next Monday at the latest I would have thought.

That would be 5 in before July. Crikey.

It would be nice to think that most of these lads are here to really increase the size and quality of the matchday squad and that there are one or two bigger signings that are going to come in and really increase the quality of the first XI.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 08:55:09 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 08:53:13 AM

Any news on when we are signing these 2 players?

Helenius and luna?  Maybe today , maybe tomorrow , seems in the next 48 hrs if reports are to be believed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2013, 09:05:43 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 18, 2013, 08:54:42 AM

By Friday or next Monday at the latest I would have thought.

That would be 5 in before July. Crikey.

It would be nice to think that most of these lads are here to really increase the size and quality of the matchday squad and that there are one or two bigger signings that are going to come in and really increase the quality of the first XI.

I'd be happy if those happened to be all the signings, well unless we sold Benteke. That would put a lot of pressure on Helenius.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2013, 09:23:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 08:19:59 AM

I believe, at Chivas, it was El Guzano!

Or as Kinnear might say Gooch

In fact here is the rest of the Villa team under Kinnear

Gooch
Lorton
Benson
Vlad
Barker
West Ham
Silly
Deaf
Ben Take Out
Agballoon
Wye Aye Man

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 09:30:22 AM

Ben Afri... afro Gultieroz, Kebab. Just some of the players to be seen at the JJB arena next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 18, 2013, 10:20:38 AM

It gives me a warm glow to see Newcastle return as the absolute fannyclowns of the league. It's like an old friend.
Turbulent times ahead for them as sure as if they were flying into an F5 twister.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 18, 2013, 10:28:06 AM

So strange that there has been silence from the club, hope its true because its so funny.
Mind you, it might catch on and we could appoint Mr O'Leary in s similar "I am more cleverer than you lot" role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 18, 2013, 10:28:42 AM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 18, 2013, 09:23:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 08:19:59 AM

I believe, at Chivas, it was El Guzano!

Or as Kinnear might say Gooch

In fact here is the rest of the Villa team under Kinnear

Gooch
Lorton
Benson
Vlad
Barker
West Ham
Silly
Deaf
Ben Take Out
Agballoon
Wye Aye Man

Excellent!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on June 18, 2013, 10:34:01 AM

Quote from: T-Viddy on June 18, 2013, 09:23:42 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 08:19:59 AM

I believe, at Chivas, it was El Guzano!

Or as Kinnear might say Gooch

In fact here is the rest of the Villa team under Kinnear

Gooch
Lorton
Benson
Vlad
Barker
West Ham
Silly
Deaf
Ben Take Out
Agballoon
Wye Aye Man

Great stuff, if he does get to advise on transfers they will have to be players with very simple British names. Any smith's or Jones out there? He could go for kenwynne just as long as he shortens his name to Ken.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 10:55:32 AM

@nmashiter_star
Case of watch this space for #avfc transfers today...things are moving along but patience is a virtue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 10:58:08 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 10:55:32 AM

@nmashiter_star
Case of watch this space for #avfc transfers today...things are moving along but patience is a virtue.

Probably the cue for Woodward to prepare his interviews for luna and helenius .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 11:40:15 AM

Well it wasn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 11:40:48 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

It is amazing what i do in my sleep. ;).
I cannot confirm anything today, nothing at all. It just winds up Olneythelonely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 11:40:48 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

It is amazing what i do in my sleep. ;).
I cannot confirm anything today, nothing at all. It just winds up Olneythelone

Yes but your dan the man in the know  , he's just well .... Him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Axl Rose on June 18, 2013, 12:06:23 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 11:40:48 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

It is amazing what i do in my sleep. ;).
I cannot confirm anything today, nothing at all. It just winds up Olneythelone

Yes but your dan the man in the know  , he's just well .... Him.

haha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:08:48 PM

Leandro Bacuna reckons the presence of his Holland hero Ron Vlaar as Villa captain will give him the Dutch courage to progress in the Premier League.

Bacuna is looking forward to linking up with Vlaar following his move from Eredivisie club Groningen for a reported £1.75 million fee on a three-year deal last Thursday.

After capturing Bacuna, Jores Okore and Aleksandar Tonev, Villa are still in the process of trying to make Nicklas Helenius and Antonio Luna their fourth and fifth signings of the summer so far.

According to reports in Denmark, Helenius travelled over for a medical yesterday and it is believed the striker will be unveiled today subject to the terms of his move from Aalborg being finalised.

The Luna situation is not as advanced yet, although is understood the Spanish left-back’s capture could also be announced this week before Lambert looks at moving on some of his squad.
Bacuna appreciates the Premier League is a step up from the top flight in Holland, but the Dutch under-21 international reckons Vlaar’s influence will help him settle at Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath.

“In the Eredivisie I have played against Ron Vlaar and he made a very good step to come to Aston Villa and now I am following in his footsteps,” said Bacuna.

“He is a really nice guy and has the attitude to be a captain and I think we can hang around together a lot.

“It is really nice for me to have someone who can help me settle in. He is a hero in Holland. He is doing well and he is a good defender.”

Bacuna has watched with interest how fellow Eredivisie old boys Karim El Ahmadi and Brett Holman have fared at Villa and insists he is determined to become a fans’ favourite at his new club.

“I know about them and I’ve followed them,” he added.

“They have shown it is on another level. You just have to do the things you are good at and play your own football.

“The Premier League for me is the top level and everyone wants to play in the Premier League. You have to improve yourself and it is going to be a difficult task but we have to fight and show ourselves.

“It is a new beginning. I’m going to do my best. I’m going to try and make a lot of goals and be a fan favourite.”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 18, 2013, 12:11:14 PM

Eric Lichaj to Nottingham Forest, says Mat Kendrick. Good luck, Eric.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:12:06 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 18, 2013, 12:11:14 PM

Eric Lichaj to Nottingham Forest, says Mat Kendrick. Good luck, Eric.

Decent club for him - good luck Eric.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:13:46 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 11:40:48 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

It is amazing what i do in my sleep. ;).
I cannot confirm anything today, nothing at all. It just winds up Olneythelonely.

We'd never have guessed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 12:21:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:13:46 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 11:40:48 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 11:27:07 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 11:16:28 AM

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19814571

Helenius medical today apparently, maybe danlanza can confirm this

Dan gave me the wink that it was done at 4-21 am this morning ;)

It is amazing what i do in my sleep. ;).
I cannot confirm anything today, nothing at all. It just winds up Olneythelonely.

We'd never have guessed.

Now now Clampy. Sarcasm and all that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 18, 2013, 12:37:47 PM

I see Marcus Bent is available on a free. Maybe we could sign him up and sell him to Joe Kinnear at Newcastle for £6m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 18, 2013, 12:37:47 PM

I see Marcus Bent is available on a free. Maybe we could sign him up and sell him to Joe Kinnear at Newcastle for £6m.

Or post a youtube clip of Ireland's best bits and post it to big joe K

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 18, 2013, 12:40:11 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 10:58:08 AM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 10:55:32 AM

@nmashiter_star
Case of watch this space for #avfc transfers today...things are moving along but patience is a virtue.

Probably the cue for Woodward to prepare his interviews for luna and helenius .

A J-Woo interview

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 18, 2013, 12:42:41 PM

Marcus Bent & Stephen Ireland.  Or as Joke In 'Ere calls them Matthias Bed and Stefan Dryland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 18, 2013, 12:56:01 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Cheers for the ITK ;-D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 18, 2013, 12:58:47 PM

I like Dan's stuff too. It impresses me that he shares stuff. It keeps the excitement levels up.  Keep going Dan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:58:52 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Maybe you shouldn't take it so serious and see it for the banter that it is .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 18, 2013, 12:59:42 PM

*Bants

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:01:28 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

This.

Bang on cue clampy - thanks !
That's a pint you owe me danny boy ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 01:02:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:58:52 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Maybe you shouldn't take it so serious and see it for the banter that it is .

I would. But it's only banter now because it became obvious that he was talking cack. #bants

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 01:03:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:01:28 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

This.

Bang on cue clampy - thanks !
That's a pint you owe me danny boy ;)

My pleasure Easts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 18, 2013, 01:12:55 PM

I am hating this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 18, 2013, 01:12:55 PM

I am hating this.

It's all just bants Damon. Blates bants.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 01:26:43 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 18, 2013, 01:12:55 PM

I am hating this.

It's all just bants Damon. Blates bants.

I am hating it too. From the strange wanting to be known as ITK when it is tenuous at best, to the reporting every fart that happens, to the mad, slightly stalker-esque matey terms for blokes in their early 20's that people have never met. All seems a bit twilight zone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:37:46 PM

Seems luna is almost done too -

@MatKendrick: 5-4-3-2-1 Blast-off: Villa are in the process of finalising their Luna mission, according to Sevilla chiefs #avfc http://t.co/E52APEfWe8

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2013, 01:39:23 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Now, now Olney-ey.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 01:26:43 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 18, 2013, 01:12:55 PM

I am hating this.

It's all just bants Damon. Blates bants.

I am hating it too. From the strange wanting to be known as ITK when it is tenuous at best, to the reporting every fart that happens, to the mad, slightly stalker-esque matey terms for blokes in their early 20's that people have never met. All seems a bit twilight zone.

Perfectly put Ozz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 18, 2013, 01:51:23 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:37:46 PM

Seems luna is almost done too -

@MatKendrick: 5-4-3-2-1 Blast-off: Villa are in the process of finalising their Luna mission, according to Sevilla chiefs #avfc http://t.co/E52APEfWe8

I thought this guy was a youngster?  In that photo, he looks like Andrea Pirlo after a 3 day stag-do in Prague.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2013, 01:52:21 PM

He’s playing in the arthritic league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2013, 01:52:43 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 01:02:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 12:58:52 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

Maybe you shouldn't take it so serious and see it for the banter that it is .

I would. But it's only banter now because it became obvious that he was talking cack. #bants

Wicked blaze olnz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:53:10 PM

Well guys, i guess I will miss out if the transfers are as close to completion as reports suggest , have to have ecg test on a possible heart defect this afternoon so i hope when its all over to find we have completed these two deals .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 01:55:06 PM

All the best Eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:56:09 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 01:55:06 PM

All the best Eastie.

Cheers dave , on the plus side I'm looking forward to the nurse shaving my chest , though that will shoot up the old ticker   ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 18, 2013, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:53:10 PM

Well guys, i guess I will miss out if the transfers are as close to completion as reports suggest , have to have ecg test on a possible heart defect this afternoon so i hope when its all over to find we have completed these two deals .

I don't know you mate but good luck on that. I have been for 2 ecg's, 1 echocardiogram and a stress test over the last 18 months as I was having a few problems but touch wood I was fine.

Sure everything will go well for yourself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 18, 2013, 02:02:19 PM

Some posters have been tipping Derrick Williams for more of a role at VP next season but I don't remember seeing it mentioned that he might be leaving.




http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-special-feature-mat-4389097

Quote

IF Derrick Williams completes his move away this summer the rookie defender will join the elite Aston Villa ‘One- Game Wonders’ club.

Williams, who is in line for a switch to Bristol City in League One, has made a solitary appearance for Villa, playing 24 minutes as a substitute in the Premier League draw at QPR last December.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2013, 02:02:33 PM

Good luck eastie. Please get it sorted before transfer deadline day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 18, 2013, 02:14:04 PM

Good luck pal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 18, 2013, 02:23:27 PM

Yes good luck Eastie!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 02:26:47 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 18, 2013, 02:02:19 PM

Some posters have been tipping Derrick Williams for more of a role at VP next season but I don't remember seeing it mentioned that he might be leaving.




http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-special-feature-mat-4389097

Quote

IF Derrick Williams completes his move away this summer the rookie defender will join the elite Aston Villa ‘One- Game Wonders’ club.

Williams, who is in line for a switch to Bristol City in League One, has made a solitary appearance for Villa, playing 24 minutes as a substitute in the Premier League draw at QPR last December.

I remember him coming on against QPR, he did'nt do too bad. Good luck to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 02:27:15 PM

Cheers guys - back about 5 hopefully :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2013, 02:27:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:53:10 PM

Well guys, i guess I will miss out if the transfers are as close to completion as reports suggest , have to have ecg test on a possible heart defect this afternoon so i hope when its all over to find we have completed these two deals .

All the best Eastie, I had the same thing last year and it turned out to be fine so hopefully it's nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2013, 02:31:29 PM

yeah best of luck Eastie, hopefully there will be a signing or 2 waiting for you when you get back on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 02:33:35 PM

Helenius confirmed on OS

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 02:34:15 PM

http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=3212996

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 02:38:39 PM

Welcome to VP Nicklas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on June 18, 2013, 02:53:18 PM

Great stuff. Welcome to Villa, Nicklas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 02:54:41 PM

Welcome, Niklas!

As per last week, I'm now expecting a double signing flurry of activity with Luna being confirmed also.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 02:55:29 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 02:54:41 PM

Welcome, Niklas!

As per last week, I'm now expecting a double signing flurry of activity with Luna being confirmed also.

I'll be over the moon if we get Luna as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 18, 2013, 03:49:19 PM

Can we stop these cheesy comments?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 03:51:17 PM

I see I missed the unveiling of helenius - welcome to villa nicklas.
For those who sent goodwill messages earlier , many thanks- test is done and i await the results now.
Nice to see another player signed in time for pre season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2013, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 03:51:17 PM

I see I missed the unveiling of helenius - welcome to villa nicklas.
For those who sent goodwill messages earlier , many thanks- test is done and i await the results now.
Nice to see another player signed in time for pre season .

Thought you were gone until about 5? Did the doctor just give you paracetamol?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Easts that was the quickest ecg in history. Did you do it yourself?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Easts that was the quickest ecg in history. Did you do it yourself?

I imagine eastie as the man in the board game Operation and he got someone to conduct the ECG with a pair of tweezers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 18, 2013, 04:10:19 PM

Now Hella Bella is on board let's wrap up A-Loons sharpish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 18, 2013, 04:15:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Easts that was the quickest ecg in history. Did you do it yourself?

we don't fuck about...get em in, wire em up, check and shift them out...

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

That Norwich keeper we were being linked with has signed a contract extension so I assume we won't be signing him.

Sevilla say we're "very close" to completing Loonie deal. (c) Eastie News.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 04:41:28 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Easts that was the quickest ecg in history. Did you do it yourself?

Entered the surgery at 3-20 and left at 3-35 - took longer to shave part of chest and stick the things on and connect them up - the actual ecg takes less than 2 minutes.

The print out will be passed to the dr and they will give me the results tomorrow , nurse did the ecg.
They put sticky things on wrists , ankles and chest and connect about 10 wires to machine to pick up heartbeat .
Test required because resting heartbeat is 110 bpm which is far too high according to doctors.

I'm sure to you t- viddy and your sidekick clampy its all a big joke but to me it is a concern .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 18, 2013, 04:48:02 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 04:41:28 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 04:03:09 PM

Easts that was the quickest ecg in history. Did you do it yourself?

nurse did the ecg.

did you get a boner? - may as well keep this off topic

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 18, 2013, 04:51:52 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

That Norwich keeper we were being linked with has signed a contract extension so I assume we won't be signing him.

It's Declan Rudd who signed the extension, not Jed Steer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2013, 04:54:37 PM

Now, now Clampy and you Toronto.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 04:55:21 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

Only shave the bits where she stuck the stickers but it luks odd now with bald bits :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2013, 05:04:52 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on June 18, 2013, 04:51:52 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 18, 2013, 04:29:47 PM

That Norwich keeper we were being linked with has signed a contract extension so I assume we won't be signing him.

It's Declan Rudd who signed the extension, not Jed Steer.

Ah, I just read "Norwich goalkeeper". How was I supposed to know they'd have more than one?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 05:09:24 PM

Glad to hear it was a relatively short and painless procedure, Easts!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 05:11:16 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 05:09:24 PM

Glad to hear it was a relatively short and painless procedure, Easts!

Cheers john.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

same here and they took longer than a few minutes to sort. impressive speeed eastie

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 05:15:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 04:55:21 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

Only shave the bits where she stuck the stickers but it luks odd now with bald bits :(

ahhhhh  ......    looks!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 05:19:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

same here and they took longer than a few minutes to sort. impressive speeed eastie

Did you have the resting ecg or the exercise one ozz?

Was shocked , a few beeps and she said it was done , certainly 2 mins at most.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2013, 05:26:07 PM

Seriously eastie hope you're ticker is in good shape so it can keep pace with the yellow ticker

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 05:26:50 PM

@StanCollymore: Owner/Chief Exec/Manager/Chief Scout communication. Something good is happening at #AVFC . Swift business, specific areas targeted. Superb.
@StanCollymore: Forest fans,Eric Lichaj will do well for you. Good defender first and foremost,no frills but dependable. Very strong boy!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 05:27:54 PM

Quote from: T-Vids on June 18, 2013, 05:26:07 PM

Seriously eastie hope you're ticker is in good shape so it can keep pace with the yellow ticker

Your a good man deep down Toronto , thanks :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 05:37:46 PM

Shave the rest off Easta, nothing worse than uneven chest hair.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2013, 05:46:27 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 05:37:46 PM

Shave the rest off Easta, nothing worse than uneven chest hair.

Will soon grow back pal, I don't want a smooth one.a

Anyway looks like we have made a good start to the transfer window , I have a few issues to deal with so will take a few days away from site now .

Lets hope  we continue to build the squad in the way we are and I'm sure we will have a good season ahead.
Best wishes all!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 18, 2013, 06:02:00 PM

All the best, Eastie. How about cutting that 'orrible Dafabet logo out of your new shirt to show off the chest hair next season?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 18, 2013, 06:04:50 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 18, 2013, 04:53:09 PM

Fecking hell Eastie, what have you got on your chest, a coconut mat?  I've got a fair bit of the old rug on my chest and have had a couple of ecg's but, never had to be shorn.

Hopefully you'll be ok seeing as how they let you home.  Did they tell you not to be buying any long playing records?   ;)

They didn't shave me either. Then again I am only 14.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 06:04:59 PM

What will we all do without you Easts?


Good luck to Eric "Movember" Lichaj in his move to Forest. Hope he does well there for them and himself. Always did his best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 18, 2013, 06:17:58 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:53:10 PM

Well guys, i guess I will miss out if the transfers are as close to completion as reports suggest , have to have ecg test on a possible heart defect this afternoon so i hope when its all over to find we have completed these two deals .

Good luck Eastie ........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 18, 2013, 06:25:58 PM

Best Wishes Eastie.

Heard some interesting chatter that Lambert had enquired after Dennis Praet.  Anderlecht attacking midfielder - on a recommendation from Benteke.  The kid looks sublime.

http://vimeo.com/66816660 (http://vimeo.com/66816660)

Though I heard the Belgians were after big dough. 

Here's hoping.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2013, 06:34:44 PM

The Belgians are certainly producing some talented players. It's amazing how far (as a nation) we continue to fall behind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 18, 2013, 06:39:00 PM

Fancy coming up with that just as Eastie's clocked off for a while!

If Benteke wants him then it might just help keep him(B) here and then who knows where we will be next year...

Cmon you boys

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 07:15:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 18, 2013, 01:01:28 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 12:58:16 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 18, 2013, 12:52:03 PM

It doesn't wind me up. I've just never understood why people try to fill up their summer by pretending to know stuff. No-one is impressed by that stuff are they? Other than teenage boys. And eastie.

Anyway, Helinho's agent seems to think we'll hear something today, he didn't have to wink or anything.

This.

Bang on cue clampy - thanks !
That's a pint you owe me danny boy ;)

The only pint you will be getting of me mate is a pint of saline solution, in a bag, if you do not get yourself sorted.
In the mean time, fancy a Guinness ? ;) ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 18, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on June 18, 2013, 02:33:35 PM

Helenius confirmed on OS

Bloody hell. Has anybody told eastie? " eastie, it's confirmed." "Big treble winky thing."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 18, 2013, 07:19:59 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 18, 2013, 06:25:58 PM

Best Wishes Eastie.

Heard some interesting chatter that Lambert had enquired after Dennis Praet.  Anderlecht attacking midfielder - on a recommendation from Benteke.  The kid looks sublime.

http://vimeo.com/66816660 (http://vimeo.com/66816660)

Though I heard the Belgians were after big dough. 

Here's hoping.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 18, 2013, 08:14:43 PM

Eastters they will sort out that 110 thing no worries.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2013, 08:38:59 PM

Best wishes, Eastie Bunny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villan For Life on June 18, 2013, 09:10:47 PM

Easterie old son, very best wishes with the ecg results

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fernando Partridge on June 18, 2013, 09:18:49 PM

Quote from: maidstonevillain on June 17, 2013, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 17, 2013, 09:06:47 AM

didn't Bent get married on Saturday?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2342529/Darren-Bent-marries-Kirsty-Maclaren-Cambridge.html

Yeah thats Ridgewells Ex wife they had 2 kids. Ridgewell called his wedding off to her  a week before they married. Bent has been sniffing around on and off the pitch. Not the most popular couple in football circles.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2013, 10:15:10 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 18, 2013, 06:34:44 PM

The Belgians are certainly producing some talented players. It's amazing how far (as a nation) we continue to fall behind.

Hasn't Kevin De Bruyne made some noises about wanting to leave Chelsea to get regular football?  Not sure we would stand a chance, but he would be the type of player we could do with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2013, 10:18:34 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 02:54:41 PM

Welcome, Niklas!

As per last week, I'm now expecting a double signing flurry of activity with Luna being confirmed also.

I think those could be the last two signings before everyone reports back for pre-season.  Think we might see a couple of young British players from the lower leagues added to the squad during pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 18, 2013, 10:32:53 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 18, 2013, 10:18:34 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2013, 02:54:41 PM

Welcome, Niklas!

As per last week, I'm now expecting a double signing flurry of activity with Luna being confirmed also.

I think those could be the last two signings before everyone reports back for pre-season.  Think we might see a couple of young British players from the lower leagues added to the squad during pre-season.

This is my thinking too. Once Luna is on board then we'll be looking to sell 5-6 players, maybe more. Then 1-2 more Brits in before the window is out would be good.

The Benteke situation needs clarifying. IF he wants to move and someone wants to buy him, they need to stump up the cast sharpish. I think one way or another this needs doing before August. If he goes, we're gonna need ample time to get a good replacement.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 10:36:35 PM

Word round the Twatter campfire seems to be that Aaaron Cresswell is next. I can't see it myself but you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: phantom limb on June 18, 2013, 10:44:36 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 10:36:35 PM

Word round the Twatter campfire seems to be that Aaaron Cresswell is next. I can't see it myself but you never know.

Would have thought that if Luna comes in then that'll be it for left backs, they probably still want silly money for Cresswell which is why we've gone elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 18, 2013, 10:51:40 PM

I can't see us signing Cresswell as well as Luna, although I don't think there is any doubt that we were interested in him. Unless maybe one of them can play right back as well. I would guess things will go a bit quiet now on the incoming front but we are obviously looking to move some players on. I think most of the Benteke stuff is just paper talk. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete from the sort of clubs that would pay what we would surely be looking for. As for the quality of players that Belgium are producing, sometimes luck and timing comes into it and a nation has a good group of players come through around the same period.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 18, 2013, 10:52:26 PM

A united fan I'm friends with, lives in Holland, posted the following on facebook: 'Villa are making some class signings this summer, both Okore and Helenius will be amazing!'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2013, 11:05:40 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on June 18, 2013, 10:44:36 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 10:36:35 PM

Word round the Twatter campfire seems to be that Aaaron Cresswell is next. I can't see it myself but you never know.

Would have thought that if Luna comes in then that'll be it for left backs, they probably still want silly money for Cresswell which is why we've gone elsewhere.

The nerve.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 18, 2013, 11:07:06 PM

Assuming we don't get Belhandra (i'd have thought he's out of our reach at the minute, but interest was confirmed all the same) I wonder who we're in the market for as alternatives to him?

Seems as though we might be looking to spend the big money on a central creative player

Anyone heard any rumours?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2013, 11:07:37 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 18, 2013, 10:52:26 PM

A united fan I'm friends with, lives in Holland, posted the following on facebook: 'Villa are making some class signings this summer, both Okore and Helenius will be amazing!'

Hope he's right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 18, 2013, 11:55:27 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 18, 2013, 06:25:58 PM

Best Wishes Eastie.

Heard some interesting chatter that Lambert had enquired after Dennis Praet.  Anderlecht attacking midfielder - on a recommendation from Benteke.  The kid looks sublime.

http://vimeo.com/66816660 (http://vimeo.com/66816660)

Though I heard the Belgians were after big dough. 

Here's hoping.

How strange, was playing a bit of FM13 earlier, only finished the first season in 10th (better than Lambert!) but Benteke got 16 and I had a couple of offers so I gave him a rise and asked him to recommend someone and that's the player he suggested.  I'm all a bit bit freaked out by the whole thing right now, are yo sure someone didn't start the whispers after hacking into my game?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

There is no way, with Luna coming, we will sign Cresswell too. Just not going to happen. Maybe both ongoing and only heard Luna is close due to Sevilla, but I doubt it.

Much more likely to be Luke Murphy and/ or a keeper and a right back next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 12:01:27 AM

Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 18, 2013, 11:07:06 PM

Assuming we don't get Belhandra (i'd have thought he's out of our reach at the minute, but interest was confirmed all the same) I wonder who we're in the market for as alternatives to him?

Seems as though we might be looking to spend the big money on a central creative player

Anyone heard any rumours?

I agree that's where we'll spend a bit more than we have so far, I think it's on the back burner a bit until we know where we are with Bent, Ireland, Holman and Nzogbia, I suspect they'll all leave and for enough in terms of fees to cover someone like Belhanda (with some left over I'd hope), and with a huge wage saving on top.

I've said before though, signing the more established players will take a little longer as the agents will hold off on anything to see if a chumps league club is interested, if nothing by mid-july then they'll start talking to clubs like us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 19, 2013, 12:09:46 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 10:36:35 PM

Word round the Twatter campfire seems to be that Aaaron Cresswell is next. I can't see it myself but you never know.

Unless that's with a view to moving Bennett on  (Crewsell did seem to be his first choice last summer, let's not forget)  I don't see it.  The deal for Luna seems to be too far advanced.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2013, 12:18:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

Much more likely to be Luke Murphy and/ or a keeper and a right back next.

Agree, though with Vlaar and Baker being a little injury prone, I wouldn't mind us signing another CB as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 19, 2013, 12:33:19 AM

Quote from: phantom limb on June 18, 2013, 10:44:36 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 18, 2013, 10:36:35 PM

Word round the Twatter campfire seems to be that Aaaron Cresswell is next. I can't see it myself but you never know.

Would have thought that if Luna comes in then that'll be it for left backs, they probably still want silly money for Cresswell which is why we've gone elsewhere.

Luke Murphy next I think, then a goalkeeper to round things off, players in wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 19, 2013, 06:32:56 AM

I wish someone sign up Bent, Hutton and Ireland asap so we can release them off wages bill and add transfer kitty to buy one big name such as Belhanda. But again we don't know if Lambert is willing to spend say 12 millions pounds on a top player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:30:05 AM

Thing is if we got a RB cover, and say Murphy and a keeper, we would be as sorted squad wise as you would expect really. A tricky player that can ply wide and behind the forward would be the only thing that could maybe be missing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on June 19, 2013, 07:33:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 19, 2013, 06:32:56 AM

I wish someone sign up Bent, Hutton and Ireland asap so we can release them off wages bill and add transfer kitty to buy one big name such as Belhanda. But again we don't know if Lambert is willing to spend say 12 millions pounds on a top player.

Rumour has it that Belhandas manager has now said he would take 10 mil. If the player is that good, why does it appear that no one is interested and his club are slashing the price? Has he got other issues? After Ireland we don't want another billy big boxxxxks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:35:24 AM

I think Lambert has the long term very much on his mind, and is building the foundations of a squad. Give it a couple of years and additions might look a bit different.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 19, 2013, 07:43:43 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

There is no way, with Luna coming, we will sign Cresswell too. Just not going to happen. Maybe both ongoing and only heard Luna is close due to Sevilla, but I doubt it.

Much more likely to be Luke Murphy and/ or a keeper and a right back next.

unless Stevens and Benno are on way out ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 19, 2013, 07:44:38 AM

We need to now start shifting players out, there are alot to get rid of,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2013, 08:44:55 AM

My best bet is:

- sign Luna this week
- try to move given on and then bring in a young backup keeper
- try to move on a batch of other players: bent, ireland, bannan, holman, hutton, delfouneso, Stevens, maybe herd, at a pinch albrighton.
- if we do manage to get rid of a few of them - and wages are a real stumbling block with a few - then I can see us spending the best part of £10m on a proper number 10. Not sure who. Don't think it'd be belhanda
- if benteke leaves, we'll have to get a replacement of course. Really don't know who, but candidates could be: Bony, Gomis, Rhodes? It'd almost certainly be someone we've not heard of though! Apart from lukaku, who seems set to stay at Chelsea, I can't think of many similar target men types to benteke, which I'm absolutely 100% positive lambert would want.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 19, 2013, 08:46:58 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 19, 2013, 06:32:56 AM

I wish someone sign up Bent, Hutton and Ireland asap so we can release them off wages bill and add transfer kitty to buy one big name such as Belhanda. But again we don't know if Lambert is willing to spend say 12 millions pounds on a top player.

I think we'll sell Bent without a problem.
I can actually see us buying off Hutton and Ireland, just to get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2013, 08:47:29 AM

I cannot see Marcy Marc going. I'd like to see him getting back to where he was in his break through season, with some no nonsense, probbing back stick crosses.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2013, 08:47:45 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:30:05 AM

A tricky player that can ply wide and behind the forward would be the only thing that could maybe be missing.

From everything I have read about him, Tonev sounds exactly like the player you are describing.  We'll also have N'Zogbia in the squad unless he goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 19, 2013, 09:04:47 AM

Im quite happy with what we have got in especially Okore and Helenius. Obviously Lambert and Faulkner are giving their full attention to the ongoing Benteke situation. Thinking ahead, if he starts playing his face up Im sure Lamberts scouts have indentified someone we have never heard of who can play the target role up front perhaps as a double spearhead with Helenius.

I dont think there is any chance of Lambert spending more than we paid for Benteke who of course we would all like to stay.

Wil he won't he?  At the moment I havent got a clue. Wednesday today, I really did think something would have happened this week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 09:24:24 AM

Quote from: frank black on June 19, 2013, 07:33:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 19, 2013, 06:32:56 AM

I wish someone sign up Bent, Hutton and Ireland asap so we can release them off wages bill and add transfer kitty to buy one big name such as Belhanda. But again we don't know if Lambert is willing to spend say 12 millions pounds on a top player.

Rumour has it that Belhandas manager has now said he would take 10 mil. If the player is that good, why does it appear that no one is interested and his club are slashing the price? Has he got other issues? After Ireland we don't want another billy big boxxxxks

I'm not sure on the exchange rate but the price originally quoted was €12-13m which can't be too far off £10m so I don't think there's been any 'slashing' of the price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

We haven't bid for, neither are we interested in, Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 19, 2013, 09:41:38 AM

The signings thus far are all very interesting and exciting. I'm really pleased with the way Lambert has gone about it so efficiently.

But, for me, another CB and a centre mid are still required. Ones that can definitely go straight into the first team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Axl Rose on June 19, 2013, 09:48:04 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

We haven't bid for, neither are we interested in, Belhanda.

Do you know that for sure, Dave? I got quite excited about him possibly coming in. Have spent weeks playing as Montpellier on Fifa!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 19, 2013, 10:20:32 AM

Quote from: Axl Rose on June 19, 2013, 09:48:04 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

We haven't bid for, neither are we interested in, Belhanda.

Do you know that for sure, Dave? I got quite excited about him possibly coming in. Have spent weeks playing as Montpellier on Fifa!

Lambert said when it was first rumoured that we had put in a bid that we weren't interested in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 19, 2013, 10:31:58 AM

I still prefer someone like kaka for experience and to make a real statement of intense. Realistically that probably won't happen so one more midfielder and gk would be good business. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 10:34:16 AM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 19, 2013, 10:20:32 AM

Quote from: Axl Rose on June 19, 2013, 09:48:04 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2013, 09:26:09 AM

We haven't bid for, neither are we interested in, Belhanda.

Do you know that for sure, Dave? I got quite excited about him possibly coming in. Have spent weeks playing as Montpellier on Fifa!

Lambert said when it was first rumoured that we had put in a bid that we weren't interested in him.

Wages demands and to big for his boots by any chance ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 19, 2013, 10:40:23 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 19, 2013, 12:18:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 18, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

Much more likely to be Luke Murphy and/ or a keeper and a right back next.

Agree, though with Vlaar and Baker being a little injury prone, I wouldn't mind us signing another CB as well.

Looking at the Fixture's we'll need one, Don't forget we've got Clark and Baker as well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2013, 10:41:45 AM

having seen pictures of Darren Bent on honeymoon on tv this morning, got to give him credit for looking after himself, not a bit of fat on the guy. He also didn't bitch to the papers when not playing. Thumbs up.

He has to be worth the fee and wages for one of the promoted clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on June 19, 2013, 10:51:53 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 19, 2013, 10:41:45 AM

having seen pictures of Darren Bent on honeymoon on tv this morning, got to give him credit for looking after himself, not a bit of fat on the guy. He also didn't bitch to the papers when not playing. Thumbs up.

He has to be worth the fee and wages for one of the promoted clubs.

The problem about one of the promoted clubs playing him is that they might have problem we did last season - the rest of the squad isn't strong enough to carry someone who doesn't contribute much to the overall game.

Although given his career goalscoring record, somebody is bound to pick him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 11:41:18 AM

Quote from: dekko on June 19, 2013, 10:51:53 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 19, 2013, 10:41:45 AM

having seen pictures of Darren Bent on honeymoon on tv this morning, got to give him credit for looking after himself, not a bit of fat on the guy. He also didn't bitch to the papers when not playing. Thumbs up.

He has to be worth the fee and wages for one of the promoted clubs.

The problem about one of the promoted clubs playing him is that they might have problem we did last season - the rest of the squad isn't strong enough to carry someone who doesn't contribute much to the overall game.

Although given his career goalscoring record, somebody is bound to pick him up.

I think he'll suit a promoted club as they will not intend to have >50% possession.  Therefore they can play to Bent's strength of playing direct counter attack football (like that played at Charlton/Sunderland). 

If this did happen then I'd hope that we add clauses whereby we get extra cash if they stay up or if he's sold at the end of the season for a profit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 19, 2013, 11:46:59 AM

Eric Lichaj has signed for Forest.  Good luck to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 12:09:08 PM

A defender that can play both centre back and right back would be good to replace Lichaj, unless of course we see Herd as that man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 19, 2013, 12:31:54 PM

I'd still like to see an experienced left back and centre back come in. I wouldn't trust that defence with all those youngsters in it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on June 19, 2013, 12:41:26 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 19, 2013, 12:31:54 PM

I'd still like to see an experienced left back and centre back come in. I wouldn't trust that defence with all those youngsters in it.

Lescott will be in that defence at the start of the season. Just got a feeling. Villa fan, new manager coming in at City, World cup year etc.

They won't all be under 22 and untried in the PL, I'm sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 19, 2013, 12:48:41 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 19, 2013, 12:31:54 PM

I'd still like to see an experienced left back and centre back come in. I wouldn't trust that defence with all those youngsters in it.

I'm happy enough with Vlaar and Okore in the center and Lowton on the right.  An experienced left back would be nice as would seeing an end to that position week in week out being targeted correctly as our major problem area. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 01:42:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on June 19, 2013, 12:41:26 PM

They won't all be under 22 and untried in the PL, I'm sure.

No, but they'll all be on sensible wages, which will rule Lescott out.

Vlaar, Okore, Clark & Baker give PL the 4 centre-backs he wanted, with Herd and Lowton able to step-in in emergencies.

Also, I think we overestimate just how much of a Villa-fan he is, on occasions. Let's not forget the glee with which he's celebrated both of his goals against us in recent seasons!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 02:04:08 PM

I find it incredibly disrespectful when players don't celebrate scoring because of who they're playing against.  You should be happy about scoring and the fans of your current club should see that.  If it's against a team you've just left after you're whole career with them I can just about let it go, but because you were a supporter of them as a kid, no chance, enjoy the moment, show the fans that your current club is the most important thing to you.

The villa fans hated Houllier because he still had a lot of respect for his previous club yet some seem to demand that anyone with any association with us shows us the same respect, afraid not, a player/manager should be loyal to the club he's at; at the expense of anything else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on June 19, 2013, 02:09:52 PM

Regarding wages, surely every case is judged on it's merit? If Benteke signs a new contract for example, it will be more than 50k a week, comfortably, but it would be worth it.

Besides, it would likely be a loan if it were to happen and some of the wages would be subsidised by City you would imagine.

Personally, I think we need one more

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2013, 02:27:59 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 01:42:50 PM

Quote from: glasses on June 19, 2013, 12:41:26 PM

They won't all be under 22 and untried in the PL, I'm sure.

No, but they'll all be on sensible wages, which will rule Lescott out.

Which could rule out Lescott. If he demands what he's on at City he'll remain there for the season, rarely play and likely miss the WC. He needs to play this season, and play often and well so I wouldn't rule anything out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 02:39:22 PM

I'm literally amazed that anyone thinks we'll sign Lescott.  Lambert hasn't yet brought-in a player for whom joining-us is a step-down, either in terms of their career or their salary.

Why people think this will happen now, regardless of who Lescott supported as a kid, is utterly beyond me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 19, 2013, 02:42:24 PM

I agree there is no way we will bid for lescott, we have 4 centre halfs already, not sure we will need  a 5th

Goalkeeper will be the next target, and it will be someone who will push Guzan for his satarting place in the team...same as what Lambert has done to Bennett, with the potential signing of Lunar

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2013, 02:53:17 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 02:39:22 PM

I'm literally amazed that anyone thinks we'll sign Lescott.  Lambert hasn't yet brought-in a player for whom joining-us is a step-down, either in terms of their career or their salary.

Why people think this will happen now, regardless of who Lescott supported as a kid, is utterly beyond me.

I'm not saying we will but I don't agree it is based on stepping down or anything like that. For Lescott he needs to play. In what will be his final ever chance to play in a major tournament he will need to perform well consistently for a team in the PL. It is highly unlikely that Man City will provide him that opportunity. So whether it is us or someone else remains to be seen. Lambert wants players that are motivated to be at the club and want to contribute. If money is more important then irrespective of age he wants nothing to do with that type of person.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:02:20 PM

TV - I don't disagree about Lescott's needs to play, but I just don't think that Lambert will go for him regardless. Our transfer-policy is one of of value and longtermism (if that's a word?) these days. The days of making Lescott-type signings is long-gone, IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:06:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 02:04:08 PM

I find it incredibly disrespectful when players don't celebrate scoring because of who they're playing against.  You should be happy about scoring and the fans of your current club should see that.  If it's against a team you've just left after you're whole career with them I can just about let it go, but because you were a supporter of them as a kid, no chance, enjoy the moment, show the fans that your current club is the most important thing to you.

I don't disagree with what you at all on this, but it backs-up the point I'm making. Lescott is a professional footballer and his loyalty lies with whoever's paying his wages. the notion that he'd take a huge pay-cut to join the side he supported as a boy is foolhardy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:08:40 PM

Quote from: glasses on June 19, 2013, 02:09:52 PM

Regarding wages, surely every case is judged on it's merit?

I'd imagine so, but there'd also be due consideration to the overall wage-bill (obviously) and dressing-room harmony.

I just cannot see Lescott being anywhere near Lambert's radar, for a number of different reasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 03:15:10 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:06:13 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 02:04:08 PM

I find it incredibly disrespectful when players don't celebrate scoring because of who they're playing against.  You should be happy about scoring and the fans of your current club should see that.  If it's against a team you've just left after you're whole career with them I can just about let it go, but because you were a supporter of them as a kid, no chance, enjoy the moment, show the fans that your current club is the most important thing to you.

I don't disagree with what you at all on this, but it backs-up the point I'm making. Lescott is a professional footballer and his loyalty lies with whoever's paying his wages. the notion that he'd take a huge pay-cut to join the side he supported as a boy is foolhardy.

I agree totally, taking a huge paycut to get game time so he can go to the world cup is the only reason he'd do it.  I just don't like people questioning him being a villa fan because he celebrated scoring against us.

I still think it's too early, when he's only just about a year into the job, to be saying Lambert doesn't sign players like Lescott though, feel free to say "he hasn't yet and there's no suggestion that will change" but to dismiss vast swathes of professional footballers out of hand as the wrong 'type' of player purely because of their age and/or career to date just doesn't sit right.  He wanted Dempsey last year but the logic of this summer would see a link to Dempsey instantly dismissed as nonsense because he's "not the type of player Lambert signs".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:27:54 PM

The Demspey bid was different though, for 3 reasons.

Firstly it was made on transfer deadline day (and appeared to catch Lambert by surprise when it was accepted) and there's one school-of-thought that it was used to push Genk into accepting our bid for Benteke.

Secondly, moving from Fulham to Villa will always be an upwards career move. I cannot believe, either, that it would have involved a drop-in-wages fro Dempsey.

Thirdly, it was a position that we needed a player for. We currently have 4 centre-backs in our squad, 2 of which Lambert has bought himself.

I'm not dismissing Lescott as "the wrong type of player", I'm completely and utterly dismissing buying Lescott as "the wrong type of transfer deal."

It won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 03:41:20 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:27:54 PM

The Demspey bid was different though, for 3 reasons.

Firstly it was made on transfer deadline day (and appeared to catch Lambert by surprise when it was accepted) and there's one school-of-thought that it was used to push Genk into accepting our bid for Benteke.

Secondly, moving from Fulham to Villa will always be an upwards career move. I cannot believe, either, that it would have involved a drop-in-wages fro Dempsey.

Thirdly, it was a position that we needed a player for. We currently have 4 centre-backs in our squad, 2 of which Lambert has bought himself.

I'm not dismissing Lescott as "the wrong type of player", I'm completely and utterly dismissing buying Lescott as "the wrong type of transfer deal."

It won't happen.

but surely a drop in wages to come is more in line with the perceived 'lambert style signing' than coming for more money as an established player.

I don't disagree on the third point regarding need for a central defender, and I don't think we will sign him, but that's because I think Lambert believes Okore, Baker and Clark are good enough and getting experienced enough that we don't need another.  I think the references to age, wages, career history are based on massive assumptions, of which Dempsey dismisses a majority with very little effort on my part.

The first point is almost purely speculation and adds nothing of any value, there are too many 'what-ifs' around the whole concept - the main one being what if he'd agreed to come to us, would we have sent him packing because we got Benteke?  What would that do the reputations of both Villa and Lambert?

y underlying point wasn't against you though, just a general warning about people becoming over keen to dismiss rumours based on their perception of Lamberts 'methods'.  I just think it's far too soon in his career for him to have a 'modus operandi' that fans can latch onto so tightly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 19, 2013, 03:52:29 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 03:41:20 PM

I just think it's far too soon in his career for him to have a 'modus operandi' that fans can latch onto so tightly.

I don't think it's just PL's 'modus operandi' though, I think it's the club's. They clearly (and wrongly) thought that TSM would be a manager who could find value-for-money in the transfer-market and now have (hopefully) found it with Lambert.

In fact I don't think a 'modus operandi' in the transfer market has been as evident at Villa since Graham Taylor's first stint.

Look at what happened in January. We were in the most precarious position we've been in for many years and brought-in a midfielder from the French 2nd division and and a loan-signing from the MLS, despite all of us crying-out for them to get an experienced centre-back. Making a bid for Clint Dempsey last summer does absolutely nothing to persuade me that we're likely to make signings such as Joleon Lescott this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 19, 2013, 04:21:06 PM

Breaking holiday news/ITK exclusive:- Derrick Williams is apparently in Ibiza, as he sucked the girl at work's friend's toe.

She recognised his picture from my Villa calendar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I'm guessing come the end of August, we'll see most clubs will have spent more. We can only pray we've spent more wisely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2013, 04:35:58 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer

especially with the likely departure, in my eyes, of Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 19, 2013, 04:36:19 PM

Four new players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 04:39:05 PM

Indeed, OCD. The point still stands though. Maybe once we've moved some deadwood, we'll ..erm.. go again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on June 19, 2013, 04:39:23 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 19, 2013, 04:35:58 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer

especially with the likely departure, in my eyes, of Benteke

I also fully expect him to go, and I'd expect PL to have someone in his sights as and when that £30M clears in our account.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 04:45:11 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 19, 2013, 04:36:19 PM

Four new players.

That's true, but most appear to have assumed that Lambert's midas touch will continue.

The dossier on Westwood suggests he does his homework which reduces the risk however I cannot believe he will be as successfull as last season.  Furthermore we cannot guarantee that the youngsters will improve or even maintain the form they showed at the end of the year.

I actually think last year's lot would keep us next season anyway, so I'm not too concerned, however I'm not sure we can be *that* confident that the squad has improved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2013, 04:52:32 PM

Whichever club signs Lescott is going to have to pay him a lot of money, maybe more than we were willing to part with. Who knows, maybe Lambert enquired about him in January, asked his agent how much he'd want and thought 'no thanks'. If so that's a shame because he'd have been ideal at the time. Hopefully Okore, Luna and experience gained by the defence last year will be enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 05:16:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 04:45:11 PM

I actually think last year's lot would keep us up next season anyway, so I'm not too concerned, however I'm not sure we can be *that* confident that the squad has improved.

After last season you'd hope our expectations are to start climbing the table, which let's face it shouldn't be too much to ask for given the way the Premier League is now structured. You have your top 5 pretty much cemented in there. Then you have Liverpool and Everton hopelessly trying to play catch up, then the cannon fodder of everybody else including the promoted sides. I really can't see things changing this coming season.

What I hope and expect is for this season is for us to be pushing to join Liverpool and Everton. Everything else around us is just average at best. Poxy little clubs like the Baggies, Norwich, Stoke, Southampton, Fulham and West Ham. Whilst Newcastle and Sunderland could potentially kick on both clubs are led by idiots and are their own worst enemies.

8th place really should be a very realistic and easily achieved target. The only issue is how many points we will be behind 6th and 7th. If we can reduce it to a minimum, there's a great chance we can with a bit of luck pick up a cup or two. Right now with our current squad, I can only see us achieving 8th place but a huge distance between us and 7th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 05:17:30 PM

Quote from: Des Little on June 19, 2013, 04:39:23 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 19, 2013, 04:35:58 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer

especially with the likely departure, in my eyes, of Benteke

I also fully expect him to go, and I'd expect PL to have someone in his sights as and when that £30M clears in our account.

What are you basing your expectation on though?  We've heard nothing solid either way for about a month, and at that point we heard that the club wanted to talk about a new deal and that he was very interested in seeing what we had to offer.  Since then we've seen lots of mis-translation and speculation but nothing to suggest that we should start planning for next season without him.  I think some fans get so carried away with expecting the worst that they get themselves into a mindset where they can't imagine anything else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 05:18:03 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 19, 2013, 04:52:32 PM

Whichever club signs Lescott is going to have to pay him a lot of money, maybe more than we were willing to part with. Who knows, maybe Lambert enquired about him in January, asked his agent how much he'd want and thought 'no thanks'. If so that's a shame because he'd have been ideal at the time. 

Lescott was quoted at the time as saying the only club he would go out on loan to was Everton. We never stood a chance last January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 19, 2013, 05:19:37 PM

If the team can perform for 3/4 of a season (there's bound to be a blip) as well as we did during the second half of last season, we'll easily be mid table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on June 19, 2013, 05:36:10 PM

Rodney Marsh's view on Villa:

Rodney Marsh ‏@RodneyMarsh10 1h
Aston Villa: A football club stuck in quicksand ...


A bit like when I heard Blues fans were buying tickets for Wigan, this ignoramus's view of Aston Villa fills me with a huge sense of optimism for the season ahead. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 19, 2013, 05:44:58 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 19, 2013, 05:36:10 PM

Rodney Marsh's view on Villa:

Rodney Marsh ‏@RodneyMarsh10 1h
Aston Villa: A football club stuck in quicksand ...


A bit like when I heard Blues fans were buying tickets for Wigan, this ignoramus's view of Aston Villa fills me with a huge sense of optimism for the season ahead. 

You know what we do with self-confessed Villa-hating spunk bubbles like Rodney Marsh, don't you? We swat them away like midges with a big fuck-off iron frying pan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 19, 2013, 05:51:35 PM

If Rodney Marsh thought about what he said before he said it he wouldn't have made a bollocks of his worthless punditry career.

He's a fanny clart of no importance whatsoever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 05:55:54 PM

Nail on head, there Maz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I'm guessing come the end of August, we'll see most clubs will have spent more. We can only pray we've spent more wisely.

I think the second half of the season showed this group can compete with most, and other sides around us might bring more expensive people in, but as we know at years of cost, it has not made a difference to us. We have got a unique set of players, many of whom grew a lot last season. I agree we are 2-3 short stater wise possibly, but we have got talented people, and the goalscoring and defending from the end of Jan onwards was much better.

Keeping Benteke/ replacing him well will be key to us finishing top half or battling relegation again for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 06:06:14 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 19, 2013, 05:51:35 PM

If Rodney Marsh thought about what he said before he said it he wouldn't have made a bollocks of his worthless punditry career.

He's a fanny clart of no importance whatsoever.

If ever there was a pundit that set a trail for being totally and utterly useless, thick and offensive it was Rodney Marsh. Total anus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 19, 2013, 06:07:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I'm guessing come the end of August, we'll see most clubs will have spent more. We can only pray we've spent more wisely.

I think the second half of the season showed this group can compete with most, and other sides around us might bring more expensive people in, but as we know at years of cost, it has not made a difference to us. We have got a unique set of players, many of whom grew a lot last season. I agree we are 2-3 short stater wise possibly, but we have got talented people, and the goalscoring and defending from the end of Jan onwards was much better.

Keeping Benteke/ replacing him well will be key to us finishing top half or battling relegation again for me.

Swansea are proof that you don't need to spend big to win trophies and compete in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 06:23:36 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 19, 2013, 05:51:35 PM

If Rodney Marsh thought about what he said before he said it he wouldn't have made a bollocks of his worthless punditry career.

He's a fanny clart of no importance whatsoever.

Has he been on the piss with Alan Brazilnut, again. Wanker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 06:31:07 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 19, 2013, 06:07:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I'm guessing come the end of August, we'll see most clubs will have spent more. We can only pray we've spent more wisely.

I think the second half of the season showed this group can compete with most, and other sides around us might bring more expensive people in, but as we know at years of cost, it has not made a difference to us. We have got a unique set of players, many of whom grew a lot last season. I agree we are 2-3 short stater wise possibly, but we have got talented people, and the goalscoring and defending from the end of Jan onwards was much better.

Keeping Benteke/ replacing him well will be key to us finishing top half or battling relegation again for me.

Swansea are proof that you don't need to spend big to win trophies and compete in the league.

Sorry, Doorbell but apart from a League Cup victory, I'd hope we can compete more than they did last season in the league. They only finished 5 points ahead of us but 15 points behind 7th place Liverpool.

I can only think after a few poor seasons we'd all willingly accept being midtable cannon fodder next season. We've got the nucleus of a promising young side but that's all they are - promising. As much as I like our midfield, I'd really like to see a real strong midfield general in there who can dictate games, especially at home. Five wins at Villa Park last season was extremely poor by any standard and it's something we will really need to improve on if we're looking to start climbing the table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2013, 06:48:24 PM

The 'only scored 47 in 38' comment is a bit misleading as well.  In 2013 only Liverpool have scored more league goals than us, that's something to be very proud of given where we were in the league and is an excellent starting point to build from. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 19, 2013, 06:57:28 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on June 19, 2013, 05:36:10 PM

Rodney Marsh's view on Villa:

Rodney Marsh ‏@RodneyMarsh10 1h
Aston Villa: A football club stuck in quicksand ...


A bit like when I heard Blues fans were buying tickets for Wigan, this ignoramus's view of Aston Villa fills me with a huge sense of optimism for the season ahead.

I suppose it is a silly question to ask if Rodney Marsh backed that up with a detailed and insightful opinion of our squad individually and collectively. Including our new signings, all of which I'm sure he has a good knowledge of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2013, 06:58:01 PM

We scored bucketloads from the Swansea game onwards, particularly away from home.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2013, 06:58:32 PM

That is a comforting stat, Paul. It may have a lot to do with Lambert finally discovering his best side. Didn't it all start with any injury and Delph being brought in?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:05:34 PM

Delph was in already but got injured before the wheels coming off at Albion. I think it was more to do with Gabby being fully fit and Baker playing left back in 2-3 must win games where we got more solid and more confident. From there we started to play much better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on June 19, 2013, 07:06:55 PM

My view is if we stay with the current crop and keep Benteke, we are safe to mid table.

If we stay with what we have and lose Benteke even with the signings so far, we will struggle. Exciting as having what feels like a daily signing is, it will be amazing if these players take to the prem like a duck to water.

Fingers crossed for next season but I'm not hanging out the bunting just yet.

(I've had a bad day at work, can you tell?)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 19, 2013, 07:10:49 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I'm guessing come the end of August, we'll see most clubs will have spent more. We can only pray we've spent more wisely.

Parade pisser. Although very valid. I don't think we'll be in a relegation scrap again though (with Benteke, and still without ... just)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2013, 07:18:05 PM

It is great to sign these players we have, but I do think we need a couple of other quality additions with some experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:20:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

We are an experienced defender and centre mid short to hold their hand in an ideal world. Lescott and Parker would probably do wonders for us, but it is not going to happen. I m pleased we have more options but would still like another 3-4 players in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Not even July yet. Stop panicking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Not even July yet. Stop panicking.

I know it isn't July yet, thanks, which is why I referred several times to the need to also sign other players this summer.

I'm not panicking, either, thanks for the patronising note. I also didn't suggest it was doom and gloom.

For what it's worth, I also said nothing about the young players being shit and needed to be sent back, either. Which you'd have noted, if you'd actually read the post.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

I think you've spectacularly missed the point there Dan, it's not moaning it's keeping some perspective.  It's unfair on the new signings to expect them to walk straight into the team and improve things. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:29:37 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Not even July yet. Stop panicking.

I know it isn't July yet, thanks, which is why I referred several times to the need to also sign other players this summer.

I'm not panicking, either, thanks for the patronising note. I also didn't suggest it was doom and gloom.

For what it's worth, I also said nothing about the young players being shit and needed to be sent back, either. Which you'd have noted, if you'd actually read the post.

Was not being patronising at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 19, 2013, 07:20:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 PM

Despite the general happiness on here at the moment having brought in three new players, I think there's going to be a reality check later in the summer when we start to see how other teams are strengthening with quality. Right now only Jores looks like he will walk into our side. The other two are for now, just squad strengtheners.

There's an awful lot of faith being put in a group that had the third worst defensive record (the other two were relegated) and only managed to score 47 goals over 38 games, despite having a strike force of Benteke, Gabby and Weimann. Whilst I admire Lambert and the board's loyalty to the current squad, it shouldn't mean we don't continuously look to bring in improvements.

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

We are an experienced defender and centre mid short to hold their hand in an ideal world. Lescott and Parker would probably do wonders for us, but it is not going to happen. I m pleased we have more options but would still like another 3-4 players in.

found myself thinking lots of times last year how much stronger we'd have been for the addition of Petrov to the side. Not just for his ability on the pitch, but also his role in being a calming figure who has seen it all before.

That hideous run over Christmas last year, for example, produced a hangover which lasted for weeks and weeks. That was the one time we really did look like we were suffering as a result of being such a young bunch of players, we found it so hard to throw it off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 19, 2013, 07:30:39 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

I think you've spectacularly missed the point there Dan, it's not moaning it's keeping some perspective.  It's unfair on the new signings to expect them to walk straight into the team and improve things. 

Isn't that the point, we don't need them to walk into the team? We have a good starting eleven, provided Benteke stays that is and the new lads can slowly bed themselves in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:31:08 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:29:37 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Not even July yet. Stop panicking.

I know it isn't July yet, thanks, which is why I referred several times to the need to also sign other players this summer.

I'm not panicking, either, thanks for the patronising note. I also didn't suggest it was doom and gloom.

For what it's worth, I also said nothing about the young players being shit and needed to be sent back, either. Which you'd have noted, if you'd actually read the post.

Was not being patronising at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

It'd have been a better idea to read what I actually said originally, the last thing I wanted to suggest was that there's anything wrong with giving youth its chance, far from it, as I said, I am totally behind Lambert as a manager.

Adding the odd bit of nous to the squad doesn't mean all the kids are shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on June 19, 2013, 07:33:16 PM

I tend to agree as well, there is still massive work to be done and improvements needed. We need to maintain the form from Mid February and hope we keep our best players fit as numbers will be thin again.
It is a very exciting but also a very nervy approach to establishing ourselves again. If we do though it might be for a longer term than our usual 3 seasons in the top 6.
Hopefully if we keep improving this young team might have the balls to win us a cup along the way and put some silver where in our, erm missing trophy cabinet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:33:52 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:31:08 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:29:37 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:27:30 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:25:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:17:36 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

Congratulations, Dan, for being the one person guaranteed to entirely miss the point.

Not even July yet. Stop panicking.

I know it isn't July yet, thanks, which is why I referred several times to the need to also sign other players this summer.

I'm not panicking, either, thanks for the patronising note. I also didn't suggest it was doom and gloom.

For what it's worth, I also said nothing about the young players being shit and needed to be sent back, either. Which you'd have noted, if you'd actually read the post.

Was not being patronising at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

It'd have been a better idea to read what I actually said originally, the last thing I wanted to suggest was that there's anything wrong with giving youth its chance, far from it, as I said, I am totally behind Lambert as a manager.

Adding the odd bit of nous to the squad doesn't mean all the kids are shit.

That was my mistake, did not read the post properly. Appologies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:34:03 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 19, 2013, 07:30:39 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:14:24 PM

Send all the new signings back. Doom and gloom again. Bloody hell.
One minute it is good to sign young ,the next we are talking about just escaping relegation, again. Meh.

I think you've spectacularly missed the point there Dan, it's not moaning it's keeping some perspective.  It's unfair on the new signings to expect them to walk straight into the team and improve things. 

Isn't that the point, we don't need them to walk into the team? We have a good starting eleven, provided Benteke stays that is and the new lads can slowly bed themselves in.

That starting eleven finished 15th last season, so not that good, for all the promise.

It'll be better next season for the extra experience, if nothing at all, but for this project to work, it has to keep on improving.

Regarding bedding in, yes, they definitely do need time, but I do wonder if people are underestimating how much time they're going to need. Already there are people deciding Bowery isn't good enough, for example. Why do they think Helenius is going to be much better in the very short term?

Maybe Okore could get in for the opening game, but Tonev, Helenius and Bacuna must surely be filed as young products to develop over time, certainly not players who are going to considerably improve the starting XI from the off.

That's the point Rudy Lambert was making in the post that kicked this off, I thought.

We need these players to develop as well as they can, and part of it is going to mean not demanding too much from them too quickly, and not being too quick to write them off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 07:37:26 PM

Surely we will have a lot more insight when the pre-season starts. He will give all the players a good run out you would think. It should be very interesting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on June 19, 2013, 07:37:29 PM

I have got to say last season was a roller coaster and most of said it would be. We had some big highs and some very low lows, lower than we ever imagined. That period from the Liverpool game was quite unbelievable. We got through it somehow and ended up looking pretty bloody good at times.

I thought Lambert had lost it at some points and I thought he looked a bit shot. Fair play to him because he got us playing again and keeping the criticism away from the team was a masterstroke. He certainly did pick us up again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on June 19, 2013, 08:05:20 PM

To be fair to Dan, we're pretty happy with the likes of Benteke, Lowton and Westwood as stalwarts of our team now and yet at the time they weren't proven. I see no reason why at least some of them won't establish themselves in the first team over the course of the season.

I do see Paulie's point about experience but I'm just enjoying the journey too much at the moment to focus on it :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 19, 2013, 08:13:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

Like you, and the vast majority of us, I haven't seen any of them play, in fact, I can honestly say I hadn't heard of them either.
The important thing is, Lambert and his team have seen them play, and that's good enough for me.
We have to buy into what he's doing. It's certainly not going to happen over night, but I feel that we could be in a position to shock a few teams this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 08:25:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 19, 2013, 08:13:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

Like you, and the vast majority of us, I haven't seen any of them play, in fact, I can honestly say I hadn't heard of them either.
The important thing is, Lambert and his team have seen them play, and that's good enough for me.
We have to buy into what he's doing. It's certainly not going to happen over night, but I feel that we could be in a position to shock a few teams this season.

Of course Lambert will have seen something he likes, but cautioning against unrealistic expectations from young players moving up several levels in one jump doesn't mean not buying into what we're doing, not at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 19, 2013, 08:36:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 08:25:00 PM

Quote from: nigel on June 19, 2013, 08:13:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 07:11:56 PM

I entirely agree with you.

Obviously, some of our younger players will have matured after last season, but I can't help but think that just adding more young players, whilst it means we can rejoice in our ability to find young promise, is not really going to be enough to improve on last season significantly.

Helenius has done well, yes, in the Danish league. Okore had that decent game against Chelsea and looks like a good athlete. Tonev? Have any of us seen him play yet? Bacuna?

All promising young players, and I am as excited as anyone for next season - at the very least, it'll be very, very interesting again. I do think, though, that a lot of people are overlooking the fact we've a squad very short of proven quality, and short of experience.

It'd make sense to add the odd experienced head into the mix. No, that doesn't mean replacing Weimann with someone on the basis they're older, and it doesn't mean buying experienced players for the sake of it. I mean to add them where we think they'd contribute.

We played much of last season with a defence of Bennett, Lowton, Vlaar and Baker or Clark. We managed a 25 (or so) game run with not a single clean sheet. If that continues next season, we are going to struggle, no doubt about it. We need to significantly improve things there. Is the addition of Okore enough? I find it hard to believe.

I like the look of Okore, but let's be realistic regarding how much he can add, moving up to the PL (and see Martin Laursen's comments on the OS regarding him and Helenius and how they need time for more on this). I've seen Helenius mooted as one of the players we have on the bench who can replace anyone in our front line with no drop in quality. Really? That's a big shout for a player with so little experience, and at such a lower level.

I am a massive fan of Lambert and what he is trying to do, and I am not being negative for the sake of it, but really, we've still got a lot of transfer work to do before our squad will be anything like strong enough.

Here's hoping we do it.

Like you, and the vast majority of us, I haven't seen any of them play, in fact, I can honestly say I hadn't heard of them either.
The important thing is, Lambert and his team have seen them play, and that's good enough for me.
We have to buy into what he's doing. It's certainly not going to happen over night, but I feel that we could be in a position to shock a few teams this season.

Of course Lambert will have seen something he likes, but cautioning against unrealistic expectations from young players moving up several levels in one jump doesn't mean not buying into what we're doing, not at all.

I know what you're saying, and by any measure of conventional thinking you're correct.

But I really can't see what the benefit would be in bringing someone in for the benefit of experience, when the alternative is to bring in another talented youngster to shape into the way we play.

We're fast becoming the place to come if you're talented young player with your head screwed on, and the style of play will bring out the best in them.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 08:41:22 PM

We signed Vlaar as an experienced player last season. Admittedly not with premier league experience but he is no-ones idea of a young player. Experience is not anathema to Lambert. What I think would derail a move for someone like Parker or Lescott is the wages that are common place in the Premiership. We're not going to bring in a new player for £70-80K per week. Maybe if somebody like that buys into our vision or plan and accepts lower wages but why should they when somebody like West Ham or Stoke will give them that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 19, 2013, 08:47:41 PM

I agree with Paulie on the need for some experience. We missed Petrov very badly indeed, and we really lacked a leader last season. The fact that Vlaar made such an impact when he was in the side - despite being defensively pretty suspect himself - showed how much we needed someone to marshall the troops, especially at the back.

The kids did pretty well in the main, but with three of the back four being youngsters (all four when Vlaar was injured), we suffered horrifically at times. You could see they desperately needed somone to keep calm and tell them where to go and what to do when they came under the cosh, and at just 20, Okora is going to struggle to provide the necessary authority and assurance, even if he has got good ability.

It's not like anyone's calling for loads of expensive old heads to come in, stifling the young talent and clogging up the wage bill - even just one would probably be enough to make the difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 08:57:34 PM

I don't disagree, I also think we need an experienced head or two. Where I disagree is that I don't think Lambert is purposely avoiding them. I think we might pick one up later on in the window but it'll be a Vlaar-style move. Someone from abroad from a league where wages are lower. I think one of the things Lambert values is squad cohesion. Bring in someone like Lescott and Parker and they will probably be on a lot more than the rest of our squad. The others will either be aggrieved or chapping on Lambert's door asking for more cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 09:07:10 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 08:57:34 PM

I don't disagree, I also think we need an experienced head or two. Where I disagree is that I don't think Lambert is purposely avoiding them. I think we might pick one up later on in the window but it'll be a Vlaar-style move. Someone from abroad from a league where wages are lower. I think one of the things Lambert values is squad cohesion. Bring in someone like Lescott and Parker and they will probably be on a lot more than the rest of our squad. The others will either be aggrieved or chapping on Lambert's door asking for more cash.

And that would destroy the team ethic that Lambert is trying to install.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 19, 2013, 09:22:13 PM

A player I always like look of is Gio Dos Santos and playing against Brazil tonite looks useful once again. Last seen in Spain a move to bring him back to premier league as the creative midfield man providing the link to attack would be a positive statement. Certainly i feel he would be far more influential than any current player and would not be too expensive. I much prefer than Nzogbia for example. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 19, 2013, 09:22:31 PM

I feel there is a definite need to bring n one or two players with experience. I also feel their is a need for a creative player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 19, 2013, 09:51:30 PM

Lambert has been consistent in batting-away the question of experience when asked. The wages they ask for is potentially crippling. And he's, presumably, had the final say in wanting to ship-out Warnock, Hutton, Dunne and likely Given, Bent and Ireland. I think he's more comfortable working with young players who see Villa as a step-up but who knows, if we get the wage-bill down sufficiently in the summer he might surprise with one or two proven signings. The right ones could make all the difference to this squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadom on June 19, 2013, 09:52:04 PM

If we get something out of the first three games (Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea), then it would seem we are on the right track. If we suffer some heavy defeats then there will still be time for Lambert to make some last minute signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2013, 10:09:15 PM

I know what you are saying Paulie and agree in the main (although my point was that Tonev and Helenius give us wide options we didn't have before; they may be awful but fingers crossed).

However, from January to May we were 8th in the form table. We found a system and confidence too. I think its the intention to take that on into the next campaign.

Then again, it isn't July yet and we have signed 4 players for less than £10 million and I wouldn't be surprised if they're all on less than 65k combined, so pleny of room.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 10:10:58 PM

Quote from: villadom on June 19, 2013, 09:52:04 PM

If we get something out of the first three games (Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea), then it would seem we are on the right track. If we suffer some heavy defeats then there will still be time for Lambert to make some last minute signings.

Arsenal away 2-1 Villa

Liverpool home 1-0 Villa

Chelsea away 2-3 Villa.

Easy innit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 10:33:27 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 19, 2013, 10:09:15 PM

Then again, it isn't July yet and we have signed 4 players for less than £10 million and I wouldn't be surprised if they're all on less than 65k combined, so pleny of room.

Let's hope so!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 10:34:32 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 19, 2013, 09:07:10 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 08:57:34 PM

I don't disagree, I also think we need an experienced head or two. Where I disagree is that I don't think Lambert is purposely avoiding them. I think we might pick one up later on in the window but it'll be a Vlaar-style move. Someone from abroad from a league where wages are lower. I think one of the things Lambert values is squad cohesion. Bring in someone like Lescott and Parker and they will probably be on a lot more than the rest of our squad. The others will either be aggrieved or chapping on Lambert's door asking for more cash.

And that would destroy the team ethic that Lambert is trying to install.

Not really - besides, after a certain point, experienced players earn less as they get older, not more.

Buying in the odd player who has been around a bit and knows his stuff doesn't mean you're going to start paying Joleon Lescott £100k a week, does it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 19, 2013, 10:45:42 PM

Another way to look at is by taking negative scenarios e.g. say Vlaar is out for a lengthy period like the chunk of the season where we really suffered. If we lost someone like him, it would be a bigger blow than it would be if we had another organiser to come in. There is a balance to get between experience and youth. That said, it's mid-June and Lambert has probably only signed the low hanging fruit and it will help those players to settle down and by getting a full pre-season in. It won't be until the window's closed that we will see Lambert's full vision. At that point, we'll either be excited or nervous in case we lost one or two key players at any point or a mixture of the two.

The Chelsea game will be re-arranged by the way as they have their European Super Cup game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 10:48:31 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 19, 2013, 08:47:41 PM

I agree with Paulie on the need for some experience. We missed Petrov very badly indeed, and we really lacked a leader last season. The fact that Vlaar made such an impact when he was in the side - despite being defensively pretty suspect himself - showed how much we needed someone to marshall the troops, especially at the back.

That's exactly it, and it's what makes it extra sad what happened to Petrov. I really do think the addition of him to that side would have paid off hugely, he'd have contributed way more than just his presence on the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 10:51:21 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 19, 2013, 10:45:42 PM

Another way to look at is by taking negative scenarios e.g. say Vlaar is out for a lengthy period like the chunk of the season where we really suffered. If we lost someone like him, it would be a bigger blow than it would be if we had another organiser to come in.

That's the position it was most obvious in. It looked like we had a handful of CBs, all of whom would have looked totally composed alongside a more experienced, assertive CB, but none of whom, when combined with the others, were really convincing.

Like you said, Vlaar was the closest to it, but not close enough.

I am probably on about this more today because I watched the season review DVD this morning, and it was a reminder of just how abysmal our defending was last season.

It improved somewhat towards the end, but the run of avoiding clean sheets went right through to the end of the season, and we absolutely must not defend like that next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 11:15:19 PM

Out of curiosity, when people say they want an experienced player do they mean somebody who has premiership experience, or can it be someone who has experience playing at a high level that is not necessairily the PL? I think the latter is what is more likely. The problem is with PL players that even shit ones want decent money. I bet Sidwell, Shorey and NRC earned a decent amount more than most of our current players do and if we brought somebody like that in they would not be someone who brings in the quality we'd require. A player who can bring quality as well as experience would be that much more expensive. I'd expect an experienced player would be more like that Douglas Newcastle are linked with than Lescott.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: wozwebs on June 19, 2013, 11:15:56 PM

Twitter: @SamuelDeCosta2: Aston Villa have made a tentative enquiry with West Ham about signing Mohamed Diame, their approach is likely to be rejected #AVFC #WHUFC

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 19, 2013, 11:54:26 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 19, 2013, 11:15:56 PM

Twitter: @SamuelDeCosta2: Aston Villa have made a tentative enquiry with West Ham about signing Mohamed Diame, their approach is likely to be rejected #AVFC #WHUFC

Who the fiddly feck is Samuel De Costa??  Never seen his name before...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on June 20, 2013, 12:21:39 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 05:16:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 04:45:11 PM

I actually think last year's lot would keep us up next season anyway, so I'm not too concerned, however I'm not sure we can be *that* confident that the squad has improved.

After last season you'd hope our expectations are to start climbing the table, which let's face it shouldn't be too much to ask for given the way the Premier League is now structured. You have your top 5 pretty much cemented in there. Then you have Liverpool and Everton hopelessly trying to play catch up, then the cannon fodder of everybody else including the promoted sides. I really can't see things changing this coming season.

What I hope and expect is for this season is for us to be pushing to join Liverpool and Everton. Everything else around us is just average at best. Poxy little clubs like the Baggies, Norwich, Stoke, Southampton, Fulham and West Ham. Whilst Newcastle and Sunderland could potentially kick on both clubs are led by idiots and are their own worst enemies.

8th place really should be a very realistic and easily achieved target. The only issue is how many points we will be behind 6th and 7th. If we can reduce it to a minimum, there's a great chance we can with a bit of luck pick up a cup or two. Right now with our current squad, I can only see us achieving 8th place but a huge distance between us and 7th.

Great summary of the league and our potential position,my only reservation would be that I can see Liverpool having a very good season.Our young players have come through the baptism of fire of a relegation fight and will be more experienced and physically more mature and buoyed by the second half of the season performances.
If we keep looking for value for money and to the future instead of vain costly statements of intent with our signings,then it will be possible  in the near future to bridge the huge gulf between us and the top 5 or 6.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2013, 01:46:40 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on June 20, 2013, 12:21:39 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 19, 2013, 05:16:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2013, 04:45:11 PM

I actually think last year's lot would keep us up next season anyway, so I'm not too concerned, however I'm not sure we can be *that* confident that the squad has improved.

After last season you'd hope our expectations are to start climbing the table, which let's face it shouldn't be too much to ask for given the way the Premier League is now structured. You have your top 5 pretty much cemented in there. Then you have Liverpool and Everton hopelessly trying to play catch up, then the cannon fodder of everybody else including the promoted sides. I really can't see things changing this coming season.

What I hope and expect is for this season is for us to be pushing to join Liverpool and Everton. Everything else around us is just average at best. Poxy little clubs like the Baggies, Norwich, Stoke, Southampton, Fulham and West Ham. Whilst Newcastle and Sunderland could potentially kick on both clubs are led by idiots and are their own worst enemies.

8th place really should be a very realistic and easily achieved target. The only issue is how many points we will be behind 6th and 7th. If we can reduce it to a minimum, there's a great chance we can with a bit of luck pick up a cup or two. Right now with our current squad, I can only see us achieving 8th place but a huge distance between us and 7th.

Great summary of the league and our potential position,my only reservation would be that I can see Liverpool having a very good season.Our young players have come through the baptism of fire of a relegation fight and will be more experienced and physically more mature and buoyed by the second half of the season performances.
If we keep looking for value for money and to the future instead of vain costly statements of intent with our signings,then it will be possible  in the near future to bridge the huge gulf between us and the top 5 or 6.

I don't see Everton being as strong as they have been in the past few seasons now Moyes has gone.  Martinez is going to need time to settle and I can see them struggling, especially if some of their better players move on this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2013, 01:51:01 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 19, 2013, 11:54:26 PM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 19, 2013, 11:15:56 PM

Twitter: @SamuelDeCosta2: Aston Villa have made a tentative enquiry with West Ham about signing Mohamed Diame, their approach is likely to be rejected #AVFC #WHUFC

Who the fiddly feck is Samuel De Costa??  Never seen his name before...

A brand new ITK no doubt. They grow them in fields of pods as part of the Twitter Matrix.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2013, 06:36:47 AM

Diame would be pretty much perfect to add to our midfield, but it is not happening on his wage.

We do need a right back cover, and a central midfielder though.

Beyond Westwood, Sylla and Delph we currently have Gardner, Bacuna, Bannan, KEA. I would want another player we know is going to perform on the same or better level than the starting 3. Only KEA fills me with confidence as I think he will kick on and improve next term. The others are total unknowns, and well.... Bannan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 20, 2013, 07:00:27 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2013, 10:51:21 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 19, 2013, 10:45:42 PM

I am probably on about this more today because I watched the season review DVD this morning, and it was a reminder of just how abysmal our defending was last season.

It improved somewhat towards the end, but the run of avoiding clean sheets went right through to the end of the season, and we absolutely must not defend like that next year.

I watched quite a lot of highlights of the season on AVTV in recent weeks. You're absolutely right. Our defending was often absolutely hopeless. I mean really really bad. And I couldn't bring myself to watch the Chelsea, Spurs, Bradford or Wigan games either.

Vlaar's return to the side was crucial. I think we'd have gone down without him. But he wasn't always great. He has a nasty habit of misjudging flighted balls and ducking under them. Lowton's defendi ng often involved him getting too square on. Bennett was a disaster waiting to happen at times and Clark really went backwards.

So I think we need Okore if he lives up the hype. We need protection from midfield, which I think we get best with the 3 in there. And I'm hoping that a good summer of defensive drilling plus more experience should help.

You just do wonder whether Lambert's coaching set up is really focused on defensive shape etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 20, 2013, 08:34:35 AM

Quote from: wozwebs on June 19, 2013, 11:15:56 PM

Twitter: @SamuelDeCosta2: Aston Villa have made a tentative enquiry with West Ham about signing Mohamed Diame, their approach is likely to be rejected #AVFC #WHUFC

unlikely to happen, but it would be great if it did as it would seriously piss off my we will be challenging for Europe this season West Ham neighbours....
there are 6 of them in our road ! 

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2013, 08:47:59 AM

As a rule, I am generally against signing a player for one of the “top clubs”, they tend to have the wrong attitude due to the step down.

As for that "ITK" what utter genius. Make up a rumour and in the same 140 characters confirm that its not going to happen. When it doesn't come to fruition, claim credit for this enlightened state of knowledge. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2013, 08:53:40 AM

Daily express have us as completing on the Luna deal today

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on June 20, 2013, 09:06:29 AM

I have a feeling, from the performances towards the end of the season that Westwood is the one that PL is looking to take up the calming Stan-type role.

Hopefully.

Maybe!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 20, 2013, 09:14:44 AM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 11:15:19 PM

Out of curiosity, when people say they want an experienced player do they mean somebody who has premiership experience, or can it be someone who has experience playing at a high level that is not necessairily the PL? I think the latter is what is more likely. The problem is with PL players that even shit ones want decent money. I bet Sidwell, Shorey and NRC earned a decent amount more than most of our current players do and if we brought somebody like that in they would not be someone who brings in the quality we'd require. A player who can bring quality as well as experience would be that much more expensive. I'd expect an experienced player would be more like that Douglas Newcastle are linked with than Lescott.

I'm still hoping that KEA's second season will show us a far more talented player who can bring his experience to bear than last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 20, 2013, 10:39:53 AM

I am optimistically hoping for more from KEA and Vlaar this season. People talk about the youngsters missing Vlaar's experience alongside them when he was out but he could also have done with some PL experience alongside him at times. Same with KEA. If it wasn't for illness and injury, Petrov and Dunne may still have been moved on this summer when their contracts ran out, but they would have made a huge difference last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 10:44:57 AM

I think it's make or break season for KEA.  He needs to make a significant impact and contribution during 13/14 otherwise I can see him being moved on next summer. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 20, 2013, 11:15:46 AM

probably been mentioned before
but the amount of signings we have already bought in, would this explain the reluctance in the summer ?

some if not all of these players must have been in the pipe line you would have thought, so Lambert must have really gambled the lot on us staying in the prem league

he's make a great poker player

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 20, 2013, 11:34:38 AM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 19, 2013, 11:15:19 PM

Out of curiosity, when people say they want an experienced player do they mean somebody who has premiership experience, or can it be someone who has experience playing at a high level that is not necessairily the PL?

Not exactly "experience" as a hell of a lot of experienced players are crap. But a player experienced at being a calming and stabilising influence in a game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2013, 11:52:34 AM

It doesn't need to be Premier League experience for me. Take the example of when we signed Martin Laursen. He was a Milan player with a lot of experience in the Serie A who had lost his place in a Champions League winning team. He was still hungry to prove himself in the PL but had both domestic and International experience. He was also an organiser and a leader. Shame about his injury problems but he was a top signing.

The counter argument is that we've attracted someone of Okore's reputation on the promise of first team football where he would get his experience. If we did sign someone in the Laursen mould, he and Vlaar would be the first choice pairing and Okore wouldn't get his experience. So it's a tough issue. I suspect we're done in the central defence and have to get the young players as much experience and protection (i.e. the 3 man central midfield with the right personnel) as we can, as quickly as we can.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2013, 12:05:15 PM

Sunderland have nothing but Premier League experience and they're shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 12:29:01 PM

It's not about Premier League experience, it's about footballing experience. A quality 25-30 year from the continent can add experience, they don't need have played in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 12:34:29 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2013, 12:05:15 PM

Sunderland have nothing but Premier League experience and they're shit.

Experience without ability can be just as much a problem as ability without experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2013, 12:37:51 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 20, 2013, 10:39:53 AM

I am optimistically hoping for more from KEA and Vlaar this season. People talk about the youngsters missing Vlaar's experience alongside them when he was out but he could also have done with some PL experience alongside him at times. Same with KEA.

I think it's make or break for both this season. I'm still to be convinced Vlaar is good enough or strong enough to lead our defence.

As for KEA, he's looked a shadow of the player we saw in Holland. There he was breaking forward with pace, threading through killer balls, tracking back and generally running the midfield like he owned it. So far at Villa Park he's looked like a tidy version of Ray Wilkins, everything very short and simple but nothing to give the opposition anything to worry about. He may be playing to Lambert's instructions but I'm convinced he's got a lot more to offer and if he wants a first team place he'll have to start showing it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 20, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 12:34:29 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2013, 12:05:15 PM

Sunderland have nothing but Premier League experience and they're shit.

Experience without ability can be just as much a problem as ability without experience.

I think that point is key. Cuellar has a lot of prem experience but his ability is poor. A young unexperienced player with a lot of ability would improve the side by learning from his mistakes and then his ability will improve the quality of his team ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Would this be an appropriate moment for an MON joke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2013, 01:19:58 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

You've got to admit its a tricky balance though as experienced players that are also good are naturally very expensive.  Because of our finances there will always be an obvious "defect" in who we sign whether that is a lack of experience, quality, sell on value, relability or just value for money.

Which variable would you suggest can be compromised in order to add some experience?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 20, 2013, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Would this be an appropriate moment for an MON joke?

Well I see Brucey is signing Curtis Davies!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 20, 2013, 01:39:34 PM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 20, 2013, 01:25:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Would this be an appropriate moment for an MON joke?

Well I see Brucey is signing Curtis Davies!

Surprised he hasn't gone for Titus Bramble

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2013, 01:41:33 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 20, 2013, 12:37:51 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 20, 2013, 10:39:53 AM

I am optimistically hoping for more from KEA and Vlaar this season. People talk about the youngsters missing Vlaar's experience alongside them when he was out but he could also have done with some PL experience alongside him at times. Same with KEA.

I think it's make or break for both this season. I'm still to be convinced Vlaar is good enough or strong enough to lead our defence.

As for KEA, he's looked a shadow of the player we saw in Holland. There he was breaking forward with pace, threading through killer balls, tracking back and generally running the midfield like he owned it. So far at Villa Park he's looked like a tidy version of Ray Wilkins, everything very short and simple but nothing to give the opposition anything to worry about. He may be playing to Lambert's instructions but I'm convinced he's got a lot more to offer and if he wants a first team place he'll have to start showing it.

Bit like Petrov in his first 1 and a half seasons then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 20, 2013, 01:46:32 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 12:34:29 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2013, 12:05:15 PM

Sunderland have nothing but Premier League experience and they're shit.

Experience without ability can be just as much a problem as ability without experience.

It's much worse IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 20, 2013, 01:47:30 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Would this be an appropriate moment for an MON joke?

Go for it - we haven't had a good laugh since the Sturkie posted a few weeks back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2013, 02:02:02 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 20, 2013, 01:46:32 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 12:34:29 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2013, 12:05:15 PM

Sunderland have nothing but Premier League experience and they're shit.

Experience without ability can be just as much a problem as ability without experience.

It's much worse IMO.

Speaking of which watched Vancouver vs Chivas last night and to say potential CL star Reo-Coker was completely gash last night is a massive understatement. Mind you, he did point at others to a CL level. Somehow the Whitecaps still found a way to win the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2013, 02:05:17 PM

Next time anyone talks about low budgets and not spending much on players, remind them how much we paid for Reo Coker and Sylla respectively.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2013, 02:08:41 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 20, 2013, 02:05:17 PM

Next time anyone talks about low budgets and not spending much on players, remind them how much we paid for Reo Coker and Sylla respectively.

We've pretty much bought all of our players this summer for not much than we paid for one NRC. Nuts when you think about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Drummond on June 20, 2013, 02:11:21 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 20, 2013, 12:37:51 PM

As for KEA, he's looked a shadow of the player we saw in Holland. There he was breaking forward with pace, threading through killer balls, tracking back and generally running the midfield like he owned it. So far at Villa Park he's looked like a tidy version of Ray Wilkins, everything very short and simple but nothing to give the opposition anything to worry about. He may be playing to Lambert's instructions but I'm convinced he's got a lot more to offer and if he wants a first team place he'll have to start showing it.

I think that Petrov was very similar when he joined us. His reputation at Celtic was more of an attacking player and breaking forward but he sat more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 20, 2013, 02:18:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 20, 2013, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Would this be an appropriate moment for an MON joke?

Waiting for the joke CJ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2013, 02:20:11 PM

I fancy KEA to come good. I don't base that on anything mind you. Just fancy it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 02:40:24 PM

Have we signed anyone today yet?  I'm getting fed up with this lack of activity.  I for one think Lerner should dig deep and spend at least three more NRC's this summer to ensure we have a player coming in once every two days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2013, 03:27:49 PM

Hasn't Looney Tunes signed yet?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ExclDawg on June 20, 2013, 03:42:38 PM

Seeing reports that the Luna deal is pretty much done:
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/20/aston-villa-set-to-make-sevilla-defender-antonio-luna-their-fifth-summer-transfer-3849174/

Mr. Woodhall to the Luna thread please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 20, 2013, 04:18:18 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

First of the clear out, do you have a source David?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 20, 2013, 04:18:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2013, 01:12:33 PM

I don't think anyone would be in favour of signing players who are experienced but also shit.

Who would you sign then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 20, 2013, 04:20:35 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

I thought he wanted to go back to Holland, as he'd struggled to settle over here?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

According to who?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 20, 2013, 04:21:06 PM

Quote from: ExclDawg on June 20, 2013, 03:42:38 PM

Seeing reports that the Luna deal is pretty much done:
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/20/aston-villa-set-to-make-sevilla-defender-antonio-luna-their-fifth-summer-transfer-3849174/

Mr. Woodhall to the Luna thread please.

Was that the best photo they could find?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2013, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

According to who?

All over their official twitter page.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2013, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 20, 2013, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

According to who?

All over their official twitter page.

Wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't surprise me either than there's no big announcements or anything anywhere besides twitter. I don't think many people will care much.
Good luck to Brett though. Hard worker and very determined player. He's just not nearly good enough at this level. Always an uphill battle really, given that he was McLeish's final piece of business before getting the heave ho.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2013, 05:18:06 PM

It's not anywhere else as he's currently having his medical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 20, 2013, 05:18:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2013, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 20, 2013, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

According to who?

All over their official twitter page.

Wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't surprise me either than there's no big announcements or anything anywhere besides twitter. I don't think many people will care much.
Good luck to Brett though. Hard worker and very determined player. He's just not nearly good enough at this level. Always an uphill battle really, given that he was McLeish's final piece of business before getting the heave ho.

High on effort but not good enough  on quality - good luck to him !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on June 20, 2013, 05:28:59 PM

Al Nasr? Bloody hell. Their ground's no bigger than Perry Barr greyhound stadium.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on June 20, 2013, 07:18:10 PM

I know we've signed five (relative unknown quantities) and some will take longer to bed in than others.
Or that some may only be squad players, but I'm still really excited by the season ahead!
does anyone have a rough idea of how much we've spent so far?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 20, 2013, 07:20:40 PM

Quote from: danno on June 20, 2013, 07:18:10 PM

I know we've signed five (relative unknown quantities) and some will take longer to bed in than others.
Or that some may only be squad players, but I'm still really excited by the season ahead!
does anyone have a rough idea of how much we've spent so far?

Ballpark 10million, from the Express this am.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on June 20, 2013, 07:25:44 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 20, 2013, 07:20:40 PM

Quote from: danno on June 20, 2013, 07:18:10 PM

I know we've signed five (relative unknown quantities) and some will take longer to bed in than others.
Or that some may only be squad players, but I'm still really excited by the season ahead!
does anyone have a rough idea of how much we've spent so far?

Ballpark 10million, from the Express this am.

Wow, maybe not all of the signings will come off but, it has to better than how we used to operate.
I mean that's roughly half a team for the price of two Harewood's and a Salifou.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 07:32:58 PM

Jesus Fernandez as backup keeper? Or to even challenge little Brad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 20, 2013, 08:14:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 20, 2013, 05:18:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 20, 2013, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 20, 2013, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 20, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Apparently Holman has left gone to AL Nasr Club

According to who?
[/quo

All over their official twitter page.

Wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't surprise me either than there's no big announcements or anything anywhere besides twitter. I don't think many people will care much.
Good luck to Brett though. Hard worker and very determined player. He's just not nearly good enough at this level. Always an uphill battle really, given that he was McLeish's final piece of business before getting the heave ho.

High on effort but not good enough  on quality - good luck to him !

That about sums his career up at Villa. Good luck to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 20, 2013, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 07:32:58 PM

Jesus Fernandez as backup keeper? Or to even challenge little Brad?

Cue any number of comments re ability with crosses, nailed on to sign etc...  plus the bonus of a ready made cry of exasperation when the inevitable clanger is dropped at some point.

Real Madrid's 3rd choice keeper?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2013, 08:21:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 07:32:58 PM

Jesus Fernandez as backup keeper? Or to even challenge little Brad?

Is this a wish or you've heard something PWS?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 20, 2013, 08:27:01 PM

Jesus will be nailed on the crosses.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 20, 2013, 08:30:10 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 20, 2013, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 07:32:58 PM

Jesus Fernandez as backup keeper? Or to even challenge little Brad?

Cue any number of comments re ability with crosses, nailed on to sign etc...  plus the bonus of a ready made cry of exasperation when the inevitable clanger is dropped at some point.

Real Madrid's 3rd choice keeper?

Yep, there's no need to resurrect old jokes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 20, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 20, 2013, 08:27:01 PM

Jesus will be nailed on the crosses.

Depends what religion you believe in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 09:44:34 PM

Think we need 4 or 5 more signings after all the outgoings
OUT 10 players
Ireland
Nzogbia
Bannan
Bent
Holman
Hutton
Lichaj
Stevens
Marshall
Given

INCOMING Suggestions:
 
GKs Can get back up GK on a free
1
of Mark Schwarzer Mucha or Nash

Defense
Okores and Luna as replacements and add
Experienced Ferreira and or Baird
with Pearce each on a free
   
 
Midfield
Bacuna and Tonev as replacements
also add experience for middle of park Barry or Parker or  Hitzlsperger


Attacking - Helenuis and a player with experience  Santa Cruz or Mladen Petric on free transfers

After these signings think the added experience to the youth wil make as a great squad :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on June 20, 2013, 10:01:15 PM

N'Zogbia won't be moving now after getting injured on holiday. I wouldn't want to offload him anyway. Still think there's more to come from him with PL's help.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 20, 2013, 10:01:57 PM

I want that complacent, slightly patronising Newton Heath supporter to come back on here and ask again which of our young players they should keep an eye on.

Because the answer now is 'all of them'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 20, 2013, 10:03:59 PM

They are easily some of the worst suggested signings I have ever seen on the internet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

Well i'm being realistic as i said i would rather have  Thiago Silva  Kaka and  Lewandowksi . However you dont know football if  you think Schwarzer Ferreira Barry and Santa Cruz would ntadd some quality experience to team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2013, 10:27:23 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 07:32:58 PM

Jesus Fernandez as backup keeper? Or to even challenge little Brad?

He's 25. Bit old for us isn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 10:31:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

However you dont know football if  you think Schwarzer Ferreira Barry and Santa Cruz would ntadd some quality experience to team

Lets just isolate this bit and think about it for a while.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 20, 2013, 10:37:18 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 10:31:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

However you dont know football if  you think Schwarzer Ferreira Barry and Santa Cruz would ntadd some quality experience to team

Lets just isolate this bit and think about it for a while.

my opinion is santa cruz is way past it as his last stint at blackburn proved, barry would be on way to much wages and is also to old, schwarzer would make little sense as hes not good enough for fulham and swapping on old keeper for another one who would likely demand first team football also makes no sense. and as for Ferreira i'll leave that one well enough alone

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 20, 2013, 10:38:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

Well i'm being realistic as i said i would rather have  Thiago Silva  Kaka and  Lewandowksi . However you dont know football if  you think Schwarzer Ferreira Barry and Santa Cruz would ntadd some quality experience to team

santa cruz ?  better off with santa claus

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:44:18 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 20, 2013, 10:37:18 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 10:31:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM

However you dont know football if  you think Schwarzer Ferreira Barry and Santa Cruz would ntadd some quality experience to team

Lets just isolate this bit and think about it for a while.

my opinion is santa cruz is way past it as his last stint at blackburn proved, barry would be on way to much wages and is also to old, schwarzer would make little sense as hes not good enough for fulham and swapping on old keeper for another one who would likely demand first team football also makes no sense. and as for Ferreira i'll leave that one well enough alone

Ferreira has retired so your point makes sense ! however hes had an illustrious club career won it all !! and more than once! so he is proven!  And i was basing it on his continued success as one of the most successful defenders to play the game
His honours are pretty impressive 2 Portuguese titles and 3 cups 3 Premier League 4 FA Cup 2  Community Shield and 2 League Cup and twice won UEFA Champions League AND  UEFA Europa League

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 20, 2013, 10:51:26 PM

I think you're confusing him with Franco Baressi. Easy mistake.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 10:56:27 PM

Roberto Carlos won loads, lets sign him up. He's a proven winner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2013, 10:57:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 09:44:34 PM

Think we need 4 or 5 more signings after all the outgoings
OUT 10 players
Ireland
Nzogbia
Bannan
Bent
Holman
Hutton
Lichaj
Stevens
Marshall
Given

Not sure we will need to bring in that many really.  When you look at it, we now have:

Keepers - Guzan, Siegrist

Defenders - Lowton, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Stevens, Vlaar, Okore, Baker, Clark

Midfielders - Westwood, Sylla, Delph, Bacuna, KEA, Gardner

Forwards - Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Tonev, Helenius, Bowery, N'Zogbia

By my calculations that is 24 players without even taking into account the likes of Bannan and some of the younger players like Carruthers.  Another GK would take us up to the 25, so I'm not sure we would need another 4-5 signings.  We could maybe clear a couple of squad places for new signings by sending the likes of Stevens, Gardner and Bowery on loan.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2013, 11:08:55 PM

There's not a chance in hell we'll buy the likes of RSC and Tommy Hitz. The only position I could see Lambert opting for someone anywhere near their 30's is our back up keeper spot, and even then it wouldn't be Schwarzer. He may well finally end up at Arsenal for a year or two and he'd be on similar to Given, which defeats the purpose of flogging Given to save on wages.

IF we can flog 5-6 of our dead wood, which is a big ask. Then we might sign 2-3 more players. I suspect, baring a goalkeeper, it might be a quiet remainder of June and July for incomings. I think now is when the selling needs to happen. Seems like Holman is off for starters.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2013, 11:15:43 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 20, 2013, 10:57:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 20, 2013, 09:44:34 PM

Think we need 4 or 5 more signings after all the outgoings
OUT 10 players
Ireland
Nzogbia
Bannan
Bent
Holman
Hutton
Lichaj
Stevens
Marshall
Given

Not sure we will need to bring in that many really.  When you look at it, we now have:

Keepers - Guzan, Siegrist

Defenders - Lowton, Herd, Bennett, Luna, Stevens, Vlaar, Okore, Baker, Clark

Midfielders - Westwood, Sylla, Delph, Bacuna, KEA, Gardner

Forwards - Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Tonev, Helenius, Bowery, N'Zogbia

By my calculations that is 24 players without even taking into account the likes of Bannan and some of the younger players like Carruthers.  Another GK would take us up to the 25, so I'm not sure we would need another 4-5 signings.  We could maybe clear a couple of squad places for new signings by sending the likes of Stevens, Gardner and Bowery on loan.   

Thanks for putting the squad up like that Tom.

I think Stevens, Herd, Bowery and possibly NZogbia if out until Christmas could all not be in the squad by then. Seigrest is still young enough to not have to register too, as is Okore I think, and maybe Gardner. Certainly room for a right sided defender, a keeper, a centre midfielder and a number 10 in there if we can get them. But the squad is looking much more adaptable and cohesive than 12 months ago. Incredible how much he has changed it, while still getting wages down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on June 20, 2013, 11:17:41 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 10:56:27 PM

Roberto Carlos won loads, lets sign him up. He's a proven winner.

Pele is still knocking about the place too. Worth a punt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:18:13 PM

I'm going to suggest pele...I'm just throwing it out there.  I know he's 72 but he can score bicycle kick goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:19:01 PM

Great minds Ger!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 11:19:17 PM

I know Lev Yashin is dead but he was such a good keeper in the day that I think he can still do a job as The Goose's understudy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on June 20, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:19:01 PM

Great minds Ger!!

Get out of my head!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:23:06 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on June 20, 2013, 11:20:28 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:19:01 PM

Great minds Ger!!

Get out of my head!

Ha ha!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:24:13 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 11:19:17 PM

I know Lev Yashin is dead but he was such a good keeper in the day that I think he can still do a job as The Goose's understudy.

I'm pretty sure he's available on a free too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 11:25:39 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:24:13 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 11:19:17 PM

I know Lev Yashin is dead but he was such a good keeper in the day that I think he can still do a job as The Goose's understudy.

I'm pretty sure he's available on a free too.

Well not really a free as we'd have to pay for the spades to dig him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:31:35 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2013, 11:25:39 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:24:13 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 20, 2013, 11:19:17 PM

I know Lev Yashin is dead but he was such a good keeper in the day that I think he can still do a job as The Goose's understudy.

I'm pretty sure he's available on a free too.

Well not really a free as we'd have to pay for the spades to dig him up.

Gotta be worth a punt dig though surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: newtonsballs on June 20, 2013, 11:33:37 PM

He'll be good at dead ball situations

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 20, 2013, 11:38:29 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:18:13 PM

I'm going to suggest pele...I'm just throwing it out there.

More like thumbing it in!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:47:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 20, 2013, 11:38:29 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 20, 2013, 11:18:13 PM

I'm going to suggest pele...I'm just throwing it out there.

More like thumbing it in!

Ha!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2013, 12:02:15 AM

Surely Pele would just be a flop now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on June 21, 2013, 12:06:06 AM

A few rumours on Twitter are saying that we have scouts at the Nigeria vs Uruguay game looking at striker Brown Ideye, made an assist in the first half, don't know too much about this one if i'm honest so can someone look at last season's stats it would be appreciated.  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 12:38:08 AM

There is no erectile dysfunction humour in that post.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2013, 12:39:01 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on June 21, 2013, 12:06:06 AM

A few rumours on Twitter are saying that we have scouts at the Nigeria vs Uruguay game looking at striker Brown Ideye, made an assist in the first half, don't know too much about this one if i'm honest so can someone look at last season's stats it would be appreciated.  :)

Isn't he meant to be a target for Newcastle? Joe Fucking Kinnear will probably call him ItoEye. All he needs to do is sign the Hush twins and he has the chorus for Too Shy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on June 21, 2013, 01:05:11 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2013, 12:39:01 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on June 21, 2013, 12:06:06 AM

A few rumours on Twitter are saying that we have scouts at the Nigeria vs Uruguay game looking at striker Brown Ideye, made an assist in the first half, don't know too much about this one if i'm honest so can someone look at last season's stats it would be appreciated.  :)

Isn't he meant to be a target for Newcastle? Joe Fucking Kinnear will probably call him ItoEye. All he needs to do is sign the Hush twins and he has the chorus for Too Shy.

Not quite, he'd still have to sign Tuncay for the too shy bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villabear on June 21, 2013, 07:01:17 AM

7.00 am, the nights are drawing in now and we haven't signed anyone yet today. Pull your finger out Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2013, 07:12:53 AM

Quote from: danno on June 21, 2013, 01:05:11 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2013, 12:39:01 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on June 21, 2013, 12:06:06 AM

A few rumours on Twitter are saying that we have scouts at the Nigeria vs Uruguay game looking at striker Brown Ideye, made an assist in the first half, don't know too much about this one if i'm honest so can someone look at last season's stats it would be appreciated.  :)

Isn't he meant to be a target for Newcastle? Joe Fucking Kinnear will probably call him ItoEye. All he needs to do is sign the Hush twins and he has the chorus for Too Shy.

Not quite, he'd still have to sign Tuncay for the too shy bit.

Ah yes, Junior Agogo's only number one wasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on June 21, 2013, 07:38:34 AM

I think that the interesting thing will be that now we have signed the famous five, how many of 7/8 that Lambert wants to get rid of will not be going on the pre-season tour of Germany?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 21, 2013, 07:53:01 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on June 21, 2013, 12:06:06 AM

A few rumours on Twitter are saying that we have scouts at the Nigeria vs Uruguay game looking at striker Brown Ideye, made an assist in the first half, don't know too much about this one if i'm honest so can someone look at last season's stats it would be appreciated.  :)

Is he not on Football Manager then  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 21, 2013, 08:42:13 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on June 21, 2013, 07:38:34 AM

I think that the interesting thing will be that now we have signed the famous five, how many of 7/8 that Lambert wants to get rid of will not be going on the pre-season tour of Germany?

Well, not many if he wants rid of them; would be my guess!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2013, 08:54:41 AM

"Southampton and Cardiff City are set to battle it out for the signature of Celtic's 21-year-old midfielder Victor Wanyama, who is valued at over £10m by his club."

We don't appear to be shopping in this market anymore but six months ago people were saying we'd have no chance of getting him, whereas based on who he's linked with I'd suggest we would. 

Is he much better than what we have? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2013, 10:48:57 AM

A couple of more proven young players would be exciting like Ince and Wanyama

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2013, 10:58:24 AM

One or two experienced players wouldn't go amiss, especially in defence. Not sure I'd have too much faith in our defence again next season. I really hope Lambert and Lerner know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 21, 2013, 11:07:41 AM

I think we'll wait and see who we can move out of the club, such as Ireland, Given and Bent, before trying to sign any other players now. They all have pretty high wages. If we can sell/loan out quite a few then we may buy some more players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 21, 2013, 11:07:58 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2013, 10:58:24 AM

One or two experienced players wouldn't go amiss, especially in defence. Not sure I'd have too much faith in our defence again next season. I really hope Lambert and Lerner know what they're doing.

Well quite.  If Lambert doesn't know what he is doing then he was surely given some terrible information by his Careers Advice Officer, who in turn must have been given some crap by his Caree....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on June 21, 2013, 11:28:34 AM

Quote from: villabear on June 21, 2013, 07:01:17 AM

7.00 am, the nights are drawing in now and we haven't signed anyone yet today. Pull your finger out Villa.

I was about to say it's 11.27am and we have signed anybody yet! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 21, 2013, 11:48:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2013, 10:58:24 AM

One or two experienced players wouldn't go amiss, especially in defence. Not sure I'd have too much faith in our defence again next season. I really hope Lambert and Lerner know what they're doing.

Don't know about that.  Think our defence wasn't that bad during the run in (though still prone to mistakes) and that Okore looks an upgrade on what we already have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 21, 2013, 12:06:37 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 21, 2013, 11:48:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2013, 10:58:24 AM

One or two experienced players wouldn't go amiss, especially in defence. Not sure I'd have too much faith in our defence again next season. I really hope Lambert and Lerner know what they're doing.

Don't know about that.  Think our defence wasn't that bad during the run in (though still prone to mistakes) and that Okore looks an upgrade on what we already have.

I think blaming the defenders for our defensive record is a bit to simple (just go with me on this for a while) I see it as one of a number of issues, most of which can be handled within the squad.

We conceded from individual errors a lot, that's the inexperience in those areas.

We also conceded quite a few with 3-4 passes of having given the ball away - those are also inexperience, b ut not just from defenders but all over the pitch.

We throw both fullbacks forward a fair bit, so there are big gaps.  This is a tactical thing, to an extent it's tied in to giving the ball away cheaply (as above) but also just generally something we're going to have to live with if we want to see Lowton and Bennett/Luna bombing forward.

Now the more important one: in our setup we need to be winning the ball back high up the pitch.  When we've done that we look excellent.  but then we tire and the closing down becomes less evident and teams start to exploit the issues above.  We saw this a lot last year where we had a superb first half and then fell away in the 2nd half.

Hopefully a good pre-season with them all working hard on their fitness will help massively with the last one.  Having better competition in the squad will be a big plus as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2013, 12:15:56 PM

Agree with all of that, Paul-e. Just to add, Lambert likes to play us very narrow which entices teams to go wide and put pressure on our full backs who are normally dealing with an advancing winger at the edge of our box.

Saying that, some of our defensive marking has been pathetic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on June 21, 2013, 12:43:52 PM

In the last third of the season, when we managed to turn things around (from the West Ham game onwards), we conceded 20 goals in 13 games. That is not too far off an average of almost 2 a game. We also kept zero clean sheets in this period.

So while the team as a whole improved in this period, I think it is fair to say that we were still defensively weak, even if we weren't as pathetic as over Christmas.

The 2 defenders we have signed look great prospects and I am looking forward to seeing them in action. However, I am not convinced that our transfer activity, thus far, has addressed our defensive frailties adequately.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 21, 2013, 12:46:41 PM

Maybe 2 or 3 players to come i reckon but doubt anything will happen now until we see some departures from the squad.

I'd say one more midfielder , a versatile defender who can cover right back and maybe centre defence  and a keeper if shay goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2013, 12:51:14 PM

Cut out silly unforced errors and stop giving away stupid free kicks. That will see our goals against stat looking a lot healthier next season. On our end of season form, I'd fancy us to score more than we concede throughout the season. I'd fancy that we've now got more goals in the side too with Tonev, Helenius and Bacuna. You'd fancy them all to chip in with more than Holman, Bannan, and N'Zogbia, and probably Bent who never suited being an impact player from the bench. Yeah start him 40 times and he'll get 15-20, but that won't happen with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 21, 2013, 01:52:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2013, 08:54:41 AM

"Southampton and Cardiff City are set to battle it out for the signature of Celtic's 21-year-old midfielder Victor Wanyama, who is valued at over £10m by his club."

We don't appear to be shopping in this market anymore but six months ago people were saying we'd have no chance of getting him, whereas based on who he's linked with I'd suggest we would. 

Is he much better than what we have?

Didn't he turn us down to go to Celtic?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2013, 02:19:28 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 21, 2013, 01:52:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2013, 08:54:41 AM

"Southampton and Cardiff City are set to battle it out for the signature of Celtic's 21-year-old midfielder Victor Wanyama, who is valued at over £10m by his club."

We don't appear to be shopping in this market anymore but six months ago people were saying we'd have no chance of getting him, whereas based on who he's linked with I'd suggest we would. 

Is he much better than what we have?

Didn't he turn us down to go to Celtic?

We're shopping in the market where we are trying to get the same type and quality of player before his value soars to £10m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 21, 2013, 02:38:13 PM

He's the right age, would be hungry to prove himself in the Premier League and he wouldn't be on massive wages at Celtic. He's looked good enough to have a good sell on value too. Getting him in either as competition for Westwood or to work alongside him when we want 2 defensive midfielders would work well.

We paid £7m for Benteke and Wanyama would fit more into that bracket so I wouldn't totally rule it out but it is unlikely. Now, if it was before he went to Celtic for £900k, we would have been all over him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2013, 03:11:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 21, 2013, 02:38:13 PM

He's the right age, would be hungry to prove himself in the Premier League and he wouldn't be on massive wages at Celtic. He's looked good enough to have a good sell on value too. Getting him in either as competition for Westwood or to work alongside him when we want 2 defensive midfielders would work well.

We paid £7m for Benteke and Wanyama would fit more into that bracket so I wouldn't totally rule it out but it is unlikely. Now, if it was before he went to Celtic for £900k, we would have been all over him.

Maybe we'll get a signing of this ilk later in the window. I think the focus now will be on shifting as many players as we can. If we can raise 15-20 million, that'll be good. Shame about Zogbia because that could have been 4-5 mill and 50k on wages saved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 21, 2013, 03:33:12 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 21, 2013, 02:38:13 PM

He's the right age, would be hungry to prove himself in the Premier League and he wouldn't be on massive wages at Celtic. He's looked good enough to have a good sell on value too. Getting him in either as competition for Westwood or to work alongside him when we want 2 defensive midfielders would work well.

We paid £7m for Benteke and Wanyama would fit more into that bracket so I wouldn't totally rule it out but it is unlikely. Now, if it was before he went to Celtic for £900k, we would have been all over him.

I'm pretty sure we were after him, and he turned us down to go to Celtic.

"Wanyama said he had rejected an approach from Aston Villa to move to Celtic Park and his performances for the Scottish champions have led to him being linked with other English Premier League clubs."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20097767

Should we have tried harder to get him in?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 21, 2013, 03:35:29 PM

With NZogbia being out of the shop window, the for sale list is something like Ireland, Bent, Bannan, Stevens, Hutton, Delfouneso and Given. We will get nearer to £10 mill for that lot than 20. Which doesn't make much difference, the objective is to clear out big earning non players.

If we get rid of 5 or 6 we will be doing well but there should be plenty of room for more signings. As far as I can see the squad is light one central midfielder and one wide forward in addition to a goalkeeper if Given moves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 21, 2013, 03:44:22 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 21, 2013, 03:33:12 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 21, 2013, 02:38:13 PM

He's the right age, would be hungry to prove himself in the Premier League and he wouldn't be on massive wages at Celtic. He's looked good enough to have a good sell on value too. Getting him in either as competition for Westwood or to work alongside him when we want 2 defensive midfielders would work well.

We paid £7m for Benteke and Wanyama would fit more into that bracket so I wouldn't totally rule it out but it is unlikely. Now, if it was before he went to Celtic for £900k, we would have been all over him.

I'm pretty sure we were after him, and he turned us down to go to Celtic.

"Wanyama said he had rejected an approach from Aston Villa to move to Celtic Park and his performances for the Scottish champions have led to him being linked with other English Premier League clubs."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20097767

Should we have tried harder to get him in?!

I think McLeish was our manager at the time he chose to go to Celtic so I'm not sure you can blame him for his choice. Turning down a Premier League club in favour of playing regularly might have actually been a sensible decision. He might not have become the player he is today if McLeish had been his manager.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 21, 2013, 03:54:02 PM

he would have become an anti-player to suit TSM's anti-football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 21, 2013, 04:05:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on June 21, 2013, 03:54:02 PM

he would have become an anti-player to suit TSM's anti-football.

He dodged a bullet there. He'd be on his way to the A League by now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 21, 2013, 04:34:11 PM

I watched the AVTV interview with Tonev (with Stan as a translator) and it doesn't look like he speaks a word of English.  I wonder if we'll revisit the Popov interest later in the summer to help Tonev settle-in and also give us an alternative to N'Zogbia....?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 04:40:31 PM

Tonev is the alternative to N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 21, 2013, 05:03:41 PM

I imagine Stan Petrov will be helping Tonev settle in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 21, 2013, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 21, 2013, 05:03:41 PM

I imagine Stan Petrov will be helping Tonev settle in.

There is a really terrible sitcom in there somewhere. Heaven forgive me for even imagining it.  Living together in a flat in Handsworth. Like Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street. Sleeping in the same bed in their vests. Having comic misunderstandings about which side of the road to drive on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2013, 05:28:31 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 21, 2013, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 21, 2013, 05:03:41 PM

I imagine Stan Petrov will be helping Tonev settle in.

There is a really terrible sitcom in there somewhere. Heaven forgive me for even imagining it.  Living together in a flat in Handsworth. Like Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street. Sleeping in the same bed in their vests. Having comic misunderstandings about which side of the road to drive on.

Very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 05:42:07 PM

Steptov and son.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 21, 2013, 06:01:49 PM

Aleksandar! Here in Birming-ham it is illegal, hunt with rifle! And that not wolf, it (produces small floppy corpse) Yorkshire Terrier belong the landlady!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnc on June 21, 2013, 06:10:57 PM

Aleksandar, what did I tell you about gypsy hunting? its not allowed even if they are wearing Birmingham City Shirts. ( Alexander standing lokking out of window holding a sling shot)
Possile name for point 'Sofia, so good'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 21, 2013, 06:14:28 PM

Quote from: johnc on June 21, 2013, 06:10:57 PM

Aleksandar, what did I tell you about gypsy hunting? its not allowed even if they are wearing Birmingham City Shirts. ( Alexander standing lokking out of window holding a sling shot)
Possile name for point 'Sofia, so good'

Let's pitch it to BBC4

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 21, 2013, 06:37:48 PM

Netherlands Under-21 centre-back Virgil van Dijk signed for celtic have we missed a bargain here??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 21, 2013, 06:58:10 PM

Brett Holman is due to finalise his free transfer from Aston Villa to Dubai club Al-Nasr this weekend.

Holman had two years remaining on the claret and blue deal he signed after arriving on a Bosman last summer.

But the Australian international is not part of Lambert’s plans and Villa are willing to allow him to leave for nothing to make a saving on his wages.

Holman, who made 17 competitive starts and 12 substitute appearances overall for Villa is set to be unveiled at his new club at a press conference on Saturday.

Al-Nasr, who play in the UAE Pro-League, have agreed a two year deal to keep the 29-year-old midfielder until 2015.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2013, 07:00:34 PM

Surprised it's a free transfer even with the wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 21, 2013, 07:03:09 PM

Nope. We got the better player in okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rotterdam on June 21, 2013, 07:10:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 05:42:07 PM

Steptov and son.

Snigger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 21, 2013, 07:31:14 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2013, 07:00:34 PM

Surprised it's a free transfer even with the wages.

Villa signed Holman on a Bosman i.e. free. At the insistence of Big Eck. Good business to get rid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 21, 2013, 07:32:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2013, 07:00:34 PM

Surprised it's a free transfer even with the wages.

Doesn't surprise me really. I couldn't see anyone paying much for him at all. I guess with a few of our dead wood players we'll try as best we can to get rid quickly. I can't see Ireland commanding much, if any sort of fee.
Even if we'd have put a 500k pricetag on Holman we'd not have many people knocking down our door to get him. He works hard but ultimately he's a bit bobbins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 21, 2013, 07:40:33 PM

I think Petrov should tell to work in a burger van :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 21, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 21, 2013, 07:32:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2013, 07:00:34 PM

Surprised it's a free transfer even with the wages.

Doesn't surprise me really. I couldn't see anyone paying much for him at all. I guess with a few of our dead wood players we'll try as best we can to get rid quickly. I can't see Ireland commanding much, if any sort of fee.
Even if we'd have put a 500k pricetag on Holman we'd not have many people knocking down our door to get him. He works hard but ultimately he's a bit bobbins.

Does surprise me a little because he was obviously making an impact in the Dutch league and for Australia before he signed for us.  It didn't work out for him here but it seems a really big drop down to go on a free to a footballing backwater like the UAE.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2013, 08:49:31 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 21, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 21, 2013, 07:32:43 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2013, 07:00:34 PM

Surprised it's a free transfer even with the wages.

Doesn't surprise me really. I couldn't see anyone paying much for him at all. I guess with a few of our dead wood players we'll try as best we can to get rid quickly. I can't see Ireland commanding much, if any sort of fee.
Even if we'd have put a 500k pricetag on Holman we'd not have many people knocking down our door to get him. He works hard but ultimately he's a bit bobbins.

Does surprise me a little because he was obviously making an impact in the Dutch league and for Australia before he signed for us.  It didn't work out for him here but it seems a really big drop down to go on a free to a footballing backwater like the UAE.

He's 29, and clearly shit, so getting paid shedloads to lol about in the desert seems a smart move to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 08:50:09 PM

And now on BBC3.... The Big stan theory.

- Uncle Stan. I cannot believe how much English pay me to kick ball. What is catch?

- Wait until you buy beer. (Laughter).

- But you tell me not drink. Look after body.

- I told you that in front of your mother. You are like Mork. You will learn.
Everything costs big money here.

- My agent says I need to spit roast girl in London hotel to supplement wages. He says Sunday papers pay big money for scandal. Maybe then I can afford beer in Broad street.

- Igor is not to be trusted. He would sell his own mother into prostitution to make a quick buck.

- This is not true. You don't have to pay for his mother. He mugs you on the way out. (Laughter)

- How do you know this? Dirty young man!

- erm.... Gabby tells me this.

- Igor wouldn't bother mugging Gabby. All his wages are direct debit to CSA.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2013, 08:53:29 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 08:50:09 PM

And now on BBC3.... The Big stan theory.

- Uncle Stan. I cannot believe how much English pay me to kick ball. What is catch?

- Wait until you buy beer. (Laughter).

- But you tell me not drink. Look after body.

- I told you that in front of your mother. You are like Mork. You will learn.
Everything costs big money here.

- My agent says I need to spit roast girl in London hotel to supplement wages. He says Sunday papers pay big money for scandal. Maybe then I can afford beer in Broad street.

- Igor is not to be trusted. He would sell his own mother into prostitution to make a quick buck.

- This is not true. You don't have to pay for his mother. He mugs you on the way out. (Laughter)

- How do you know this? Dirty young man!

- erm.... Gabby tells me this.

- Igor wouldn't bother mugging Gabby. All his wages are direct debit to CSA.

(Fades to canned laughter and musical segway/ident)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2013, 09:00:40 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 21, 2013, 08:53:29 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 08:50:09 PM

And now on BBC3.... The Big stan theory.

- Uncle Stan. I cannot believe how much English pay me to kick ball. What is catch?

- Wait until you buy beer. (Laughter).

- But you tell me not drink. Look after body.

- I told you that in front of your mother. You are like Mork. You will learn.
Everything costs big money here.

- My agent says I need to spit roast girl in London hotel to supplement wages. He says Sunday papers pay big money for scandal. Maybe then I can afford beer in Broad street.

- Igor is not to be trusted. He would sell his own mother into prostitution to make a quick buck.

- This is not true. You don't have to pay for his mother. He mugs you on the way out. (Laughter)

- How do you know this? Dirty young man!

- erm.... Gabby tells me this.

- Igor wouldn't bother mugging Gabby. All his wages are direct debit to CSA.

(Fades to canned laughter and musical segway/ident)

Part two:

Stan: Mr Randy has appointed Small Heath coach to be boss.

Series cancelled due to ridiculous storyline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2013, 09:01:54 PM

- Anyway, where is Gabby. I thought he was coming for English lessons.

- He still hasn't done his homework from last time. (Laughter). But seriously, he is sad so is staying home tonight.

- Sad? Is not like him.

- He met Joe Kinnear at dinner function and Joe had heart attack trying to pronounce his surname.

- Is it fatal?

- No, Agbonlahor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 21, 2013, 10:46:11 PM

The Daily Mail reporting we are interested in Elliot Bennet (Norwich) I cannot transfer link ..........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2013, 10:48:41 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 21, 2013, 10:46:11 PM

The Daily Mail reporting we are interested in Elliot Bennet (Norwich) I cannot transfer link ..........

Here you go.

Quote

Paul Lambert could be bucking the trend of his summer transfer work so far by buying British as he returns to Norwich City for midfielder Elliott Bennett.
So far during this close season, the Scot has shunned domestic purchases in favour of overseas targets.
But it appears that the final piece of Lambert's jigsaw could be closer to home than the five signings he has made since the season's end.

He intends to return to Carrow Road for the midfielder who has only one year to run on his present contract with the Canaries.
Bennett has played in 56 league games for Norwich since his move in the summer of 2011 when they were promoted to the Premier League.
So far Lambert's acquisitions have included Aleksandar Tonev for £2.5m from Lech Poznan, Jores Okore from Nordsjaelland, Leandro Bacuna from Groningen, Nicklas Helenius from Aalborg and Antonio Luna from Sevilla.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 21, 2013, 11:01:24 PM

do the newspaper know we will need no 2 goalkeeper yet

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2013, 11:10:45 PM

I cant see the the Norwich chairman selling us anybody. As Lambert said "I cant buy air in Norwich now."



 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 21, 2013, 11:39:46 PM

Is this Bennett not a wide player, would have thought we have enough now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2013, 11:49:10 PM

I quite like Bennett as a plyer, quick, tricky. Useful option if true. Still want Murphy and a right sided defender more though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 21, 2013, 11:51:19 PM

Ozzjim, is he a wide player, I am honestly not sure? If so, aint we got three of the new signings who can play there?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 21, 2013, 11:52:00 PM

Centre half isn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2013, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 21, 2013, 11:51:19 PM

Ozzjim, is he a wide player, I am honestly not sure? If so, aint we got three of the new signings who can play there?

He is a very quick wide player.

Bacuna is essentially a centre mid, Tonev and Helenius can play across the front. Having a pur pace option if Gabby and Nzogbia are out is worth it. Might mean curtains for Albrighton though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2013, 12:19:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 21, 2013, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 21, 2013, 11:51:19 PM

Ozzjim, is he a wide player, I am honestly not sure? If so, aint we got three of the new signings who can play there?

He is a very quick wide player.

Bacuna is essentially a centre mid, Tonev and Helenius can play across the front. Having a pur pace option if Gabby and Nzogbia are out is worth it. Might mean curtains for Albrighton though.

Yeah that's him.  He gave Joe Bennett a torrid time at our place last season and I'm sure it was a foul on him that got JB sent off.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 12:26:11 AM

ozzyjim, cheers for that, read an article with the oromondroyd dane saying he can play wide and has pace, but likes to play in the hole (wouldnt we all). Saw the clips of ALL Bacuna's goals earlier, some of which were set pieces, others could have been Ian Yaylor (I hope). Aint got  a clue re Tonev. As for Bennett, if Lambert wants him, he must know he will fit into the system

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2013, 12:32:46 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 12:26:11 AM

ozzyjim, cheers for that, read an article with the oromondroyd dane saying he can play wide and has pace, but likes to play in the hole (wouldnt we all). Saw the clips of ALL Bacuna's goals earlier, some of which were set pieces, others could have been Ian Yaylor (I hope). Aint got  a clue re Tonev. As for Bennett, if Lambert wants him, he must know he will fit into the system

Looks like he could be ideal to play in the sort of role Sylla played towards the end of last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 12:42:33 AM

You may be right tom2103, though little clips can disguise things. The impression is he is a hard working box to box player who can compete for a place. What is Tonev's best position? The Dane likes playing behind the striker, same role as earlier, good competition for places up there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2013, 01:25:37 AM

We're going to have to volunteer to enter the Europa League and Birmingham Senior Cup to give all these players game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 01:43:46 AM

you had a feeling in 1972 Eamonn, I had one a little less recently :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 22, 2013, 08:41:11 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on June 22, 2013, 12:19:20 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 21, 2013, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on June 21, 2013, 11:51:19 PM

Ozzjim, is he a wide player, I am honestly not sure? If so, aint we got three of the new signings who can play there?

He is a very quick wide player.

Bacuna is essentially a centre mid, Tonev and Helenius can play across the front. Having a pur pace option if Gabby and Nzogbia are out is worth it. Might mean curtains for Albrighton though.

Yeah that's him.  He gave Joe Bennett a torrid time at our place last season and I'm sure it was a foul on him that got JB sent off.   

I'm pretty sure Joe's first yellow was for hacking him down as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 08:41:44 AM

I see the mail are running that we have to pay £4 million to see Bent, Ireland and Given out the door.


Something Given strenuously denied 2 weeks ago. But why let that stand in the way of making something up.


Bent and Ireland probably, although even Bent I think will go without the payout if the right club makes an offer.


Anyone else see us making a couple of late in the window loan signings? Someone like Rodwell would not surprise me at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 22, 2013, 08:47:03 AM

I couldn't see us signing Rodwell.
Wages would be one issue, his injury proneness would also be a worry.
Hopefully we would have learned from the Jermaine Jenas episode.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on June 22, 2013, 09:06:17 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 21, 2013, 12:43:52 PM

In the last third of the season, when we managed to turn things around (from the West Ham game onwards), we conceded 20 goals in 13 games. That is not too far off an average of almost 2 a game. We also kept zero clean sheets in this period.

So while the team as a whole improved in this period, I think it is fair to say that we were still defensively weak, even if we weren't as pathetic as over Christmas.

The 2 defenders we have signed look great prospects and I am looking forward to seeing them in action. However, I am not convinced that our transfer activity, thus far, has addressed our defensive frailties adequately.

But is it the players faults entirely or the defensive coaching (if we do any)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 22, 2013, 09:44:18 AM

Quote from: gervilla on June 22, 2013, 08:47:03 AM

I couldn't see us signing Rodwell.
Wages would be one issue, his injury proneness would also be a worry.
Hopefully we would have learned from the Jermaine Jenas episode.

Yes he does have that Jenas / Dyer look about him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 22, 2013, 10:51:14 AM

Quote from: villasjf on June 22, 2013, 09:06:17 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on June 21, 2013, 12:43:52 PM

In the last third of the season, when we managed to turn things around (from the West Ham game onwards), we conceded 20 goals in 13 games. That is not too far off an average of almost 2 a game. We also kept zero clean sheets in this period.

So while the team as a whole improved in this period, I think it is fair to say that we were still defensively weak, even if we weren't as pathetic as over Christmas.

The 2 defenders we have signed look great prospects and I am looking forward to seeing them in action. However, I am not convinced that our transfer activity, thus far, has addressed our defensive frailties adequately.

But is it the players faults entirely or the defensive coaching (if we do any)

I dont like to be part of this blame culture. Really I say that not one defender or player can just blame the coaching when there have been several incidents of individual errors. The defense is one of the most important to get right. Constantly the younger players have been tested in their ability to tackle, in their  positioning and decisions making and anticipation. Improvement in these area can only come from football intelligence through coaching and playing experience as well as development. The players have to be taking  responsibility for their actions both individual and collective as thats what its all about. Go hiding and then problems occur

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2013, 10:56:01 AM

When we lost at Norwich in TSM's last game, there was a Bennett playing for them who had a decent game out wide. It may be him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

It might be that with Holman leaving and Zoggy out for x amount of time that Bennett is now being looked at.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:30:31 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

Don't think so. Just a tenuous link in the Mail. But I'd guess if true, Norwich will tack on a couple of million to what he's actually worth, just to spite us. He's only 24 so he's still young. The question is, would we pay 3-4 mill for him to be a squad player, or buy a cheaper foreign player?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2013, 12:31:35 PM

I'd rather give Marc one more run than sign another player no more proven than him and in his way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 12:58:22 PM

I think we will be better, but still not great at the back next season. Key will be how the midfield shield the defence in the games against the sides who could walk through us in the middle of the park.

Part of the reason I would still like another central midfield body that has ability.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 12:59:34 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:30:31 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

Don't think so. Just a tenuous link in the Mail. But I'd guess if true, Norwich will tack on a couple of million to what he's actually worth, just to spite us. He's only 24 so he's still young. The question is, would we pay 3-4 mill for him to be a squad player, or buy a cheaper foreign player?

He has a year on his deal and Norwich are after new wide players to support Wolfie. I don't think the fee would be that much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 01:09:33 PM

You'd guess that Bennett's fee wouldn't be much, but I do think if we wanted to do a deal Norwich would make it hard on us after the Lambert affair. I'd actually agree with Eamonn, although I think Bennett's pace would be useful I would rather give Albrighton one last stab that fork out another few mill on Bennett. If he is surplus and we can get a good deal of around 1-2 mill then it's worth doing. I just think for us, Norwich will tack on an extra million on what they actually think he's worth. Maybe more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 22, 2013, 01:15:37 PM

I'm with you VillaKicks.  Seeking to scapegoat is counter-productive.  However identifying why errors are occurring is vital.  There is nothing wrong with the individuals in terms of pace or commitment or tackling or indeed heading - the weakness Villa displayed came from positional errors and a lack of defensive discipline.  It was no surprise to see our young team struggle - and half of the problem for me was that they were too keen - often over-committing in an attempt to win the ball back too early - getting out of position - and always chasing lost causes after that.

I think that as they gained experience they got better in this regard - though were not perfect.  To blame the defenders for all our defensive woes would also be to over look the role the whole team has to play when we don't have the ball.  If anyone thinks Lambert and Culverhouse are not going to be working hard on this they are mistaken.

All in all - we were naive in defence last season - and yet still managed to stay in the top league with the youngest ever team fielded in the Premiership.  Those young men will have learnt a lot from that season - and while errors will still occur - I think they will decrease.  The addition of more quality players can only help that.  But football is a team sport - and it is as a team that Villa must defend - and then of course - attack.

Mr Bennett from Norwich would be a good addition to that aim I feel.

We will only get stronger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 22, 2013, 01:29:00 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

"Your whole life is on the other side of the glass. And there is nobody watching.."

Well all I could find was Alan Bennett quotes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 22, 2013, 01:34:46 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 22, 2013, 01:29:00 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 22, 2013, 11:27:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 11:26:29 AM

Elliot Bennett is a wide player. Norwich have two Bennett's. I think there were 3 Bennett's on the pitch when we played them earlier in the season. All but Gordon. He'd be a good option to have. An upgrade on Alby.

Any fee been quoted?

"Your whole life is on the other side of the glass. And there is nobody watching.."

Well all I could find was Alan Bennett quotes

"Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2013, 01:46:10 PM

"Punchliners change places"! - Lennie Bennett

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 01:53:23 PM

"John, I'm not going to shoot you between the eyes. I'm going to shoot you between the balls." Bennett from Commando.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2013, 01:54:16 PM

Fuck me, there's so much shit on Twitter. Linked to Joey Barton now. These 'In The Know' people really amuse me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 02:03:10 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2013, 01:54:16 PM

Fuck me, there's so much shit on Twitter. Linked to Joey Barton now. These 'In The Know' people really amuse me.

Joey will be Kinnear's first signing. It's a match made in heaven. Apparently QPR's a bit too stable a club for Joey's liking, he wants the excitement of moving back to the Toons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 22, 2013, 02:09:02 PM

The Elliot Bennett story strikes me as the typical tabloid story - 'Lambert used to manage at Norwich, let's link him to a Norwich player'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on June 22, 2013, 02:33:57 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

He spends more time suspended than he does playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: picicata on June 22, 2013, 02:34:18 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

It would be nice if the nasty bastard had some talent as well though...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Really? I've never met one person who doesn't think he is absolutely crap, including me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 22, 2013, 02:44:29 PM

I do like a tough tackling tenacious player in midfield but cattermole seems to have not progressed in recent years and is injury prone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 22, 2013, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

File alongside Barton, Joseph. No.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 22, 2013, 02:58:14 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

He's a wank.  A horrible dirty one at that.  File under massive twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 22, 2013, 03:16:32 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 22, 2013, 02:58:14 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

He's a wank.  A horrible dirty one at that.  File under massive twat.

He's crap - typical old style dirty midfielder with little footballing ability

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 22, 2013, 03:34:28 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 22, 2013, 02:58:14 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

He's a wank.  A horrible dirty one at that.  File under massive twat.

Having seen him cry when we beat them 4-0 at boro god knows what he would have done had he been in our team at Chelsea last season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2013, 03:37:39 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Really? I've never met one person who doesn't think he is absolutely crap, including me

I remember watching him a few years back in an under 21 tournament.

He was getting praised, but all I saw was the evidence of why we're so shite at international football.

If Cattermole had been with us when Lambert arrived, I'd imagine he'd have had his cards with the likes of Hutton by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2013, 03:42:50 PM

No fucking way should we ever go near Cattermole.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on June 22, 2013, 04:09:14 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2013, 03:42:50 PM

No fucking way should we ever go near Cattermole.

It would make me weep if we went anywhere near the blubbing tool...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2013, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Really? I've never met one person who doesn't think he is absolutely crap, including me

Aye, he doesn't really split opnion at all.   He's fucking dire. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on June 22, 2013, 04:22:28 PM

Be assured gentlemen that if Lambert signs anyone else we will not have a clue who he is, what country he comes from, or if he's on You Tube. Which he probably is!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 22, 2013, 04:22:29 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on June 22, 2013, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Really? I've never met one person who doesn't think he is absolutely crap, including me

Aye, he doesn't really split opnion at all.   He's fucking dire.

There are three camps: those who think he's shit, those who think he's absolute shit, and those who have no interest in football and have never heard of him. He'll play for b-lose one day.

Yes, that bad.

I'd laugh my head off at myself if we signed him now though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 04:26:41 PM

Cattermole is a shower of shite. Bloody awful player. Martin O Neill isn't here any more so there's no chance of us signing someone like that. Plus he'd want at least 40 k a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2013, 04:47:25 PM

It's a no for Cattermole from the Clampy jury as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2013, 04:57:02 PM

If we want to play with 10 players for most of our games this season we can save some cash, not buy Cattermole and encourage Delph to regress. As it is, I'd sooner play with 11 players every game and keep Delph on the path to being a very good battling midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 22, 2013, 05:20:04 PM

Not a chance PL would be interested in Cattermole. His philosophy is team building not team splitting .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ashkar on June 22, 2013, 05:46:44 PM

I think Lambert has covered most positions now (except for right back). Dont think there is going to be a big name signing.

More importantly I think Lambert is going to play the 3-5-2 formation more regularly. So that would mean 3 centre backs and two wing backs. Luna and Joe Bennett are ideal as the left wingbacks. But we need a backup for the right wingback position.

Btw can Elliott Bennett play the wing back position? If so then the link makes sense. Russell Martin of Norwich could be a cheap option as cover for both Centre Back and Right Back but dont think he can be effective as a wing back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 22, 2013, 05:50:47 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Brave post. The split seems to be you vs. everyone else :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

Still think we will sign Luke Murphy at some point this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 22, 2013, 05:52:31 PM

Is Cattermole definitely a footballer and not some clumsy bricklayer playing the odd Sunday league game?
Probably the shittiest footballer in the world. Any world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 22, 2013, 05:54:48 PM

Cattermole?  Dear oh dear oh dear.  He is absolutely gash.  Move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 22, 2013, 05:56:37 PM

Mark Schwarzer as no. 2 keeper on 1 year deal whilst Siegreist (excuse spelling) develops?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 22, 2013, 06:23:54 PM

Lee Cattermole is the kind of player so bad he will end up in Scotland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 22, 2013, 06:46:42 PM

Is the guy Douglas that Newcastle have messed around worth a punt on a Bossie?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 22, 2013, 06:49:31 PM

He's a centre back isn't he ?. Not sure we need anymore

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 06:51:11 PM

I think you're all undervaluing the real reason to sign Cattermole.

If someone that shit can convince multiple managers to:

a.  Pay for him
b.  Renew his contract
c.  Actually let him on the pitch

Surely he's perfect to get in, get him to convince Benteke to commit his future to the club, then let him go again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2013, 06:54:53 PM

Quote from: Singapore Villa on June 22, 2013, 05:56:37 PM

Mark Schwarzer as no. 2 keeper on 1 year deal whilst Siegreist (excuse spelling) develops?

He'd be earning roughly the same as Given, which would defeat the purpose really. Also, isn't it about time Schwarzer moved to Arsenal? He's also not gonna warm a bench at his age. He'll want to play or he may as well call it quits.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 22, 2013, 07:37:00 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 06:51:11 PM

I think you're all undervaluing the real reason to sign Cattermole.

If someone that shit can convince multiple managers to:

a.  Pay for him
b.  Renew his contract
c.  Actually let him on the pitch

Surely he's perfect to get in, get him to convince Benteke to commit his future to the club, then let him go again.

The chances are fair that he'll have broken Teke's tibia and fibia well before the lad has a chance to sign on the old dotted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villanois on June 22, 2013, 07:39:24 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

Still think we will sign Luke Murphy at some point this summer.

Agree with this. Luke Murphy has 1 year left on his contract doesn't he ? He'll leave this window or Crewe risk him going for nothing next year. Wouldn't surprise me if we made a tentative low ball offer before we signed any players. I tend to think/ hope that we will move for Murphy if Ireland goes and also think maybe Popov could be the player we'd get if Bent moves on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 07:44:11 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 22, 2013, 07:37:00 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 06:51:11 PM

I think you're all undervaluing the real reason to sign Cattermole.

If someone that shit can convince multiple managers to:

a.  Pay for him
b.  Renew his contract
c.  Actually let him on the pitch

Surely he's perfect to get in, get him to convince Benteke to commit his future to the club, then let him go again.

The chances are fair that he'll have broken Teke's tibia and fibia well before the lad has a chance to sign on the old dotted.

True, but maybe we could tell him that Ireland thinks he plays like a girl, an insurance payout for a carer ending injury is probably the most we could get back for Ireland now (I'm joking, I'd never wish an injury on anyone, before anyone gets upset).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2013, 07:45:30 PM

Quote from: villanois on June 22, 2013, 07:39:24 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 22, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

Still think we will sign Luke Murphy at some point this summer.

Agree with this. Luke Murphy has 1 year left on his contract doesn't he ? He'll leave this window or Crewe risk him going for nothing next year. Wouldn't surprise me if we made a tentative low ball offer before we signed any players. I tend to think/ hope that we will move for Murphy if Ireland goes and also think maybe Popov could be the player we'd get if Bent moves on.

The Crewe manager has already said that he dose'nt think Murphy will be there at the start of the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2013, 07:51:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 06:51:11 PM

Surely he's perfect to get in, get him to convince Benteke to commit his future to the club, then let him go again.

I think you need to explain this unless  it's  sarcasm and far  too subtle for me. How does this donkey of a footballer with the temper of a honey badger going to convince Benteke to commit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 08:14:49 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 22, 2013, 07:51:16 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 22, 2013, 06:51:11 PM

Surely he's perfect to get in, get him to convince Benteke to commit his future to the club, then let him go again.

I think you need to explain this unless  it's  sarcasm and far  too subtle for me. How does this donkey of a footballer with the temper of a honey badger going to convince Benteke to commit?

he managed to convince people he's a footballer, he must be really good at convincing people, it's almost derren brown like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2013, 08:20:24 PM

Ahhha yes I see what you mean. You do have to admire him for that!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 22, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

I've just googled 'foreign players I've never heard of' and come across Manuel Lanzini, a 20 year old midfielder who plays for River Plate.

According to Wiki he celebrated his first goal for the club by kissing the badge on his shirt.

Has to be worth a punt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 22, 2013, 10:57:20 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 22, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

I've just googled 'foreign players I've never heard of' and come across Manuel Lanzini, a 20 year old midfielder who plays for River Plate.

According to Wiki he celebrated his first goal for the club by kissing the badge on his shirt.

Has to be worth a punt.

LOL

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 22, 2013, 11:00:15 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 22, 2013, 04:26:41 PM

Cattermole is a shower of shite. Bloody awful player. Martin O Neill isn't here any more so there's no chance of us signing someone like that. Plus he'd want at least 40 k a week.

This. MON would say to Lambert 'Go for it!!'

Otto would say 'NO!'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 11:04:06 PM

Quote from: richard moore on June 22, 2013, 02:36:44 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on June 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM

I know he splits opinion but Lee Cattermole looks as though he is available. Proper nasty bastard that we lack in midfield.

Really? I've never met one person who doesn't think he is absolutely crap, including me

You have never met me, but I do

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 22, 2013, 11:11:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on June 22, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

I've just googled 'foreign players I've never heard of' and come across Manuel Lanzini, a 20 year old midfielder who plays for River Plate.

According to Wiki he celebrated his first goal for the club by kissing the badge on his shirt.

Has to be worth a punt.

You've heard of him now though!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 22, 2013, 11:48:43 PM

The Mirror, which for me is the worst paper on the planet, has an article about Stephen Ireland joining Mark Hughes at Stoke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 22, 2013, 11:59:42 PM

Lets hope it is true Tuscans

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2013, 12:32:18 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 22, 2013, 06:46:42 PM

Is the guy Douglas that Newcastle have messed around worth a punt on a Bossie?

Was Bozzie worth a Bossie? The fatty food and charlie he bought with his free transfer money says no.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on June 23, 2013, 03:59:50 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 22, 2013, 11:48:43 PM

The Mirror, which for me is the worst paper on the planet, has an article about Stephen Ireland joining Mark Hughes at Stoke.

please please please

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on June 23, 2013, 05:11:25 AM

The article about Ireland says he is on 30k a week.. Also ay bottom of article Doncaster are after Given and Tonne some Irish consortium  involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 07:21:05 AM

The article is below, the sun also reported ireland to be on £30,000 a week in a piece yesterday too -



Stoke boss Mark Hughes is ready to offer Stephen Ireland an ­escape route from Aston Villa, writes Tom Hopkinson of the Sunday People .

But he could face serious competition from new Everton manager Roberto Martinez, who is also showing an interest in the former Republic of Ireland midfielder.

Ireland, 26, played some of the best football of his career under Hughes when the pair were together at Manchester City, winning the 2008-09 ­player of the year award.

After the Welshman left the Etihad, however, he fell out of favour with replacement Roberto Mancini and was packed off to Villa Park in the summer of 2010.

Ireland has never ­rediscovered the form that made him one of the most promising young players in the Premier League since his move to the West Midlands.

A loan spell at Newcastle also failed to reignite his career and, with just a year remaining on his contract, Villa boss Paul Lambert is working on a release strategy.

That has alerted Hughes, who took over at the Britannia last month.

Ireland earns £30,000 a week at Villa so his wages would not be a problem for Stoke ... or Everton.

 

Two more Villa stars could be on the move too.

Doncaster are lining up a double swoop for veterans Shay Given and Richard Dunne – with the help of a mystery backer.

The Championship new boys are prepared to pay the Irish duo big wages.

Given is available on loan at Villa where he is sitting on a £60,000-a-week ­contract. Doncaster would pay a chunk of that salary.

Centre half Dunne is a free agent and will also be ­offered a mega-deal. Doncaster supremo John Ryan hopes to conclude a behind-the-scenes deal first. Insiders reveal an Irish group, with horse-racing ­interests, have their eyes on Rovers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 07:23:13 AM

Aston Villa face the ­prospect of making a ­£13million loss on Darren Bent AND paying him for two more years.

Striker Bent, who joined Villa for an initial £18million, has been told he can leave the club this summer.

But Villa’s attempts to play hardball over Bent are set to fail, despite claiming they will not accept less than £8million for the 29-year-old.

Newcastle, Fulham and Hull are interested, but won’t pay more than £5million .

Villa will also struggle to find a club willing to match Bent’s current £65,000-a-week contract that still has two more years to run.

That means they will be forced to pick up the shortfall for the remaining two years of their commitment to Bent if he moves elsewhere and earns less.

 

All three interested clubs would be reluctant to pay Bent more than £50,000-a-week, meaning Villa would be left with a shortfall of £15,000 a week to cover – £1.5million over two years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2013, 08:04:42 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 23, 2013, 07:23:13 AM

Aston Villa face the ­prospect of making a ­£13million loss on Darren Bent AND paying him for two more years.

Striker Bent, who joined Villa for an initial £18million, has been told he can leave the club this summer.

But Villa’s attempts to play hardball over Bent are set to fail, despite claiming they will not accept less than £8million for the 29-year-old.

Newcastle, Fulham and Hull are interested, but won’t pay more than £5million .

Villa will also struggle to find a club willing to match Bent’s current £65,000-a-week contract that still has two more years to run.

That means they will be forced to pick up the shortfall for the remaining two years of their commitment to Bent if he moves elsewhere and earns less.

 

All three interested clubs would be reluctant to pay Bent more than £50,000-a-week, meaning Villa would be left with a shortfall of £15,000 a week to cover – £1.5million over two years.

And yet Sunderland are about to receive £9m for a goalkeeper with crisp packets for hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 23, 2013, 08:16:17 AM

£8million, not a penny less and we pay him 15k a week for two years.

But, 5million, Bent can jog on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 23, 2013, 08:21:34 AM

I don't think it will be hard to sell Bent, even with his high wages. Ireland on the other hand (unless we get lucky with Hughes) is one l can see seeing out his contract.
I hope Lambert keeps him out of the squad altogether.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on June 23, 2013, 08:34:25 AM

Amusing rumour of the day.

Tottenham are preparing a £20m deal for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke, 22, and Spurs could offer 29-year-old forward Emmanuel Adebayor as part of any move.

If £20m doesn't tempt Lambert to sell, Adebayor included and he'll snap their hands off ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 23, 2013, 08:46:28 AM

They can't afford Benteke without selling Bale and with Paulinho likely to join them, they have to stuck with Adebayor and Defoe.

And both are not what Lambert wants for his squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2013, 08:49:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 23, 2013, 08:21:34 AM

I don't think it will be hard to sell Bent, even with his high wages. Ireland on the other hand (unless we get lucky with Hughes) is one l can see seeing out his contract.
I hope Lambert keeps him out of the squad altogether.

Someone will be desperate for a player with the scoring ability of Bent, even if we have to hold our nerve until late August. Hell I would sooner keep him that accept as little as 5m and paying a bit of his wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 23, 2013, 08:56:30 AM

It looks to me like a deal will be done for Bent. All this cobblers about 'struggling Aston Villa desperate to get rid of Bent' is just nonsense.

We carried him and his wages all last season, when everyone was telling us he was 'the only player of genuine quality' on our books. And now, when we really don't need him, we should be 'desperate' to sell him?

Er, I don't think so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:08:46 AM

I don't even think Spurs will get Paulinho let alone Benteke- wo do they think they are

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2013, 09:37:22 AM

That People article about Bent is nonsense. Even a lowly rag like that would know that Bent is worth more than £5m. Even £8m for a potential 20 goal a season striker would be a bargain for some teams in the Prem and that's what i reckon we'll get. In fact, it would'nt surprise me if he has a choice of two or three clubs to choose from. The only thing they might have right in that piece is about his wages. He may have to take a pay cut if he moves on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2013, 09:53:28 AM

What a bullshit article. Why are we having to accept £5 million? How about those Mickey Mouse clubs get to fuck instead, unless they pony up for a decent fee and pay his wages?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 09:57:56 AM

Man City have told Gareth Barry he can go. Should we go for him ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2013, 10:02:21 AM

I reckon Stoke and Hughes are our best, if not only, hope of getting shot of Ireland. I think I would rather pay Given sixty grand a week to sit on the bench than pay him thirty grand a week to play for someone else. Same with Bent. Buy him and pay him or we will keep him. Like ozzjim said, someone will bid for him towards the end of the window. Or at worst in January when a number of clubs are in relegation trouble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 23, 2013, 10:09:57 AM

That's the other dividend of signing players on low wages. If we'd signed Steven Fletcher and Adam Johnson, say, we would need to get rid of other big earners at any price.

As it is, we don't need to and it's up to the players to give us an incentive to let them go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2013, 10:13:18 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 09:57:56 AM

Man City have told Gareth Barry he can go. Should we go for him ?

Yes. Someone with his experience, ability and character in the middle of our team would be a big boost.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bob on June 23, 2013, 10:14:04 AM

What a load of bollocks about Bent. £8m isn't even enough; £10m is more realistic for a player of his ability. If no-one wants to pay it then keep him and use him when it suits Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 23, 2013, 10:21:40 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 23, 2013, 10:13:18 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 09:57:56 AM

Man City have told Gareth Barry he can go. Should we go for him ?

Yes. Someone with his experience, ability and character in the middle of our team would be a big boost.

This has been covered extensively over the last 300 pages can we not bring it up again?  I think everybody has had a chance to air their opinions on the prospect of our ex players returning (some say yay! some say feck off).  It's Sunday and I don't feel strong enough for another 10 pages about fat bum and square jaw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

After a small amount of consideration, I've decided Gareth Barry can gt knotted. We've moved on from him now.
I'm all for getting some experience in but not one that moves with the swift grace of a continental shelf.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 10:51:39 AM

The bit that's being ignored to an extent is the idea that we'll still be paying part of Bent's wages.  I just don't buy that.  I'd sit him down and tell him he can stay, compete for a place on the bench and get a few 20minute cameos at 65k a week or he can go somewhere else and get regular football.  If he's serius about wanting regular football he should be willing to take a wage cut.  He's asking to leave so why should we sub his wages if he finds a club he's happy to join.

Add on the paying 5m part and that people article basically says we're going to take 3.5m for him, I can't see that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 10:51:39 AM

The bit that's being ignored to an extent is the idea that we'll still be paying part of Bent's wages.  I just don't buy that.  I'd sit him down and tell him he can stay, compete for a place on the bench and get a few 20minute cameos at 65k a week or he can go somewhere else and get regular football.  If he's serius about wanting regular football he should be willing to take a wage cut.  He's asking to leave so why should we sub his wages if he finds a club he's happy to join.

Yes the idea of selling a player but still paying some of his wages once he's gone is a bit laughable really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:58:30 AM

Bent is still a class striker. 8 million at least if he goes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 11:00:42 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 23, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 10:51:39 AM

The bit that's being ignored to an extent is the idea that we'll still be paying part of Bent's wages.  I just don't buy that.  I'd sit him down and tell him he can stay, compete for a place on the bench and get a few 20minute cameos at 65k a week or he can go somewhere else and get regular football.  If he's serius about wanting regular football he should be willing to take a wage cut.  He's asking to leave so why should we sub his wages if he finds a club he's happy to join.

Yes the idea of selling a player but still paying some of his wages once he's gone is a bit laughable really.

I can understand if he didn't want to leave but when he's come out in the press to say he wants to go somewhere and play regularly it seems bizarre.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 23, 2013, 11:04:06 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:58:30 AM

Bent is still a class striker. 8 million at least if he goes.

Yep. It's an excellent price because he'll all but guarantee someone 15-20 if he's fit for the whole season. His injury troubles over the last couple of seasons have been a problem though, so that might be a concern as would his fitness because he appears to have lost a couple of yards in pace.
I think clubs like Newcastle, Fulham, Hull, Stoke would be well set up for him. They'd allow for the lack of general play you get from Benty and just let him hang around on the last defender waiting for his chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 23, 2013, 11:07:22 AM

Who'd have thought a year ago we'd be discussing selling Bent on the cheap and no-one's that bothered about him going. Funny old game as I think someone said once.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 23, 2013, 11:12:48 AM

Is this Man city telling Barry he's not wanted official or just paper talk ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 23, 2013, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

After a small amount of consideration, I've decided Gareth Barry can gt knotted. We've moved on from him now.
I'm all for getting some experience in but not one that moves with the swift grace of a continental shelf.

We've moved on alright. Backwards to be precise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 23, 2013, 11:19:10 AM

Quote from: john e on June 23, 2013, 11:12:48 AM

Is this Man city telling Barry he's not wanted official or just paper talk ?

It's in The People. It would be good to have a bit of experience in the middle. Can't see it happening but it'd be good if it did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on June 23, 2013, 11:24:15 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 23, 2013, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

After a small amount of consideration, I've decided Gareth Barry can gt knotted. We've moved on from him now.
I'm all for getting some experience in but not one that moves with the swift grace of a continental shelf.

We've moved on alright. Backwards to be precise. 

It certainly has been backwards for a while now and last season was backwards as far as the league table was concerned but I am very confident  it was massive step forwards for our long term future.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2013, 11:46:05 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 23, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 10:51:39 AM

The bit that's being ignored to an extent is the idea that we'll still be paying part of Bent's wages.  I just don't buy that.  I'd sit him down and tell him he can stay, compete for a place on the bench and get a few 20minute cameos at 65k a week or he can go somewhere else and get regular football.  If he's serius about wanting regular football he should be willing to take a wage cut.  He's asking to leave so why should we sub his wages if he finds a club he's happy to join.

Yes the idea of selling a player but still paying some of his wages once he's gone is a bit laughable really.

It is another horrible facet of modern football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:57:06 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 23, 2013, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

After a small amount of consideration, I've decided Gareth Barry can gt knotted. We've moved on from him now.
I'm all for getting some experience in but not one that moves with the swift grace of a continental shelf.

We've moved on alright. Backwards to be precise.

Initially, yes. But that was then and this is now.
We have some momentum now and some sort of direction. I don't think letting old players, who went off to make their fortune, pasture on big money here is where we're at and rightly so.
What would be his motivation?

No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 12:51:07 PM

I would be happy to see gareth Barry return to villa- he has experience and quality and is also versatile - if the terms were acceptable .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2013, 01:00:14 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:57:06 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 23, 2013, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 AM

After a small amount of consideration, I've decided Gareth Barry can gt knotted. We've moved on from him now.
I'm all for getting some experience in but not one that moves with the swift grace of a continental shelf.

We've moved on alright. Backwards to be precise.

Initially, yes. But that was then and this is now.
We have some momentum now and some sort of direction. I don't think letting old players, who went off to make their fortune, pasture on big money here is where we're at and rightly so.
What would be his motivation?

No thanks.

Most players I agree, but I think Barry would give his all, and be quite a good signing. A bit like Parker, but with a realy link to the club. It won't happen though, so not really worth worrying about.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on June 23, 2013, 01:10:57 PM

I would also be happy if Barry came back but it would have to be on our terms and I don't agree with if Bent goes we have to stump up some of his wages that's not fair.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 23, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

I would try a Bid to Man City to see if they are willing to swap Barry for Bent. It got to be worth a try.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 23, 2013, 01:14:25 PM

He would help Westwood, Sylla, Delph and Bacuna. Of that I am sure.

Despite the way he left, I think Barry is a model pro and his calming influence could be what we need in the squad if not always in the first eleven.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:15:05 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 23, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

I would try a Bid to Man City to see if they are willing to swap Barry for Bent. It got to be worth a try.

Why on earth would man city want bent with their firepower?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 23, 2013, 01:14:25 PM

He would help Westwood, Sylla, Delph and Bacuna. Of that I am sure.

Despite the way he left, I think Barry is a model pro and his calming influence could be what we need in the squad if not always in the first eleven.

Indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 23, 2013, 01:18:58 PM

to replace Mario who went to Milan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:20:47 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 23, 2013, 01:18:58 PM

to replace Mario who went to Milan.

I think with the money at their disposal they would be looking for far better than darren bent in all honesty Michael.
Regarding barry I'm not sure if they would be looking for a small nominal fee or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 01:24:24 PM

Can you imagine the press conference if Barry re-signed?  He'd obligated to spout such crap as "coming home" and this is "my club" etc.  For that reason alone I think he should be avoided.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 23, 2013, 01:26:49 PM

Barry is past his best. That's not what we're about any more, is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 01:24:24 PM

Can you imagine the press conference if Barry re-signed?  He'd obligated to spouting such crap as "coming home" and this is "my club" etc.  For that reason alone I think he should be avoided.

His comments at the petrov charity game would suggest he still has great feeling for villa and loved his time here - i understood his reasons for leaving and would welcome him back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on June 23, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 01:24:24 PM

Can you imagine the press conference if Barry re-signed?  He'd obligated to spouting such crap as "coming home" and this is "my club" etc.  For that reason alone I think he should be avoided.

His comments at the petrov charity game would suggest he still has great feeling for villa and loved his time here - i understood his reasons for leaving and would welcome him back.

Would Randolph afford his wages?

PS 99% of footballers motivation is £££.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 23, 2013, 01:56:29 PM

Barry would be aware of what happening with Villa and he had made his money, played for england regularly and won few medals. So he wouldn't want to keep sitting on the bench as there is World Cup place to win. We do need his experience and calming influence. But one question remain can he and Westwood play together.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2013, 02:28:06 PM

For the way he dragged us through the press (NOTW) slagging off the club and trying to force a move to Liverpool through Barry can fuck right off. He's still a wanker of the highest order and I don't want him coming back under any circumstances. Shitting fuck face.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 02:40:22 PM

Yeah, but how do you really feel Peter ?  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2013, 02:41:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 23, 2013, 02:28:06 PM

For the way he dragged us through the press (NOTW) slagging off the club and trying to force a move to Liverpool through Barry can fuck right off. He's still a wanker of the highest order and I don't want him coming back under any circumstances. Shitting fuck face.

Spot on.

That begging in the press thing was totally unacceptable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2013, 02:41:47 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 02:40:22 PM

Yeah, but how do you really feel Peter ?  ;)

not sure. I'd take the **** back like a shot...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2013, 02:46:03 PM

Barry? He is dead to me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PONGO49 on June 23, 2013, 03:00:20 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 23, 2013, 02:46:03 PM

Barry? He is dead to me!

me to

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2013, 03:04:07 PM

Quote from: peter w on June 23, 2013, 02:28:06 PM

For the way he dragged us through the press (NOTW) slagging off the club and trying to force a move to Liverpool through Barry can fuck right off. He's still a wanker of the highest order and I don't want him coming back under any circumstances. Shitting fuck face.

*stands to applaud*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 03:44:23 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 13, 2013, 11:25:41 PM

A 30 plus experienced pro would be necessary for development of youth and its the premier league so have to be realistic that prem is a tough league and without experience can be a struggle! Barry would fit in middle and can play left back or in defence.

Good to see Barry talk has resurfaced i have been saying this could be a move that would reap rewards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2013, 04:16:20 PM

Yes let's get Barry and slow down our play to suit him so he can sprinkle his "experience" all over the centre circle!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on June 23, 2013, 04:17:31 PM

It's not an emotive thing to me. More that he'd still be on a lot, and would hold back the development of Delph or Westwood, surely? Those two were beginning to look really good in midfield.

Having said that, there is something missing from our midfield still, possibly some experience. But Barry would demand to be a starter and I think we should look elsewhere in the team as a priority.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 23, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

Is this Barry talk anything other than hypothetical? Because I would really like Gordon Cowans in his Taylor days to play for us again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 23, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

Is this Barry talk anything other than hypothetical? Because I would really like Gordon Cowans in his Taylor days to play for us again.

Can I point you in direction of the thread title. But also a requirement for this transfer thread is a sense of humor and is not to take everything seriously as  many of us have displayed. However suggestion, rumours and speculation of  Barry coming back cant in fact be a joke unlike your humorous cowans (who s a 54 coach now and cannot time travel). Barry is still a premier league player 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 23, 2013, 04:44:41 PM

Sorry to burst some of your bubbles, but anybody who saw Barry last season would've seen that he is a has-been and past it. A big no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 23, 2013, 04:58:48 PM

As I was someone who believed he'd earned the right to ask for a move away and that he'd given his all for us, i'd certainly take him back if it was possible

He was certainly poorly advised with the NOTW stuff, but I can understand why he felt necessary to force a move. Footballers want to experience their trade at the very highest level, and that wasn't going to happen at Villa. I do think people can be a bit naive when stuff like this happens. Imagine if he stuck with the club despite seeing Young etc leave. He then went on to have a prolonged bad run of form, the fans would be calling for him to be dropped without a doubt, then where's the loyalty?

Yes he's on the wrong side of 30, but theres certainly nothing wrong with a few older heads in the squad, espescially when we all know that he's a good egg and not of the Ireland, Collins etc ilk

Another plus for him is that despite being older now, pace has never been something he relied on, so it's not something he'll suffer with compared to how Agbonlahor or Young will when they're 32

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2013, 04:59:05 PM

He was still more dangerous in front of goal for us last season than that prick Ireland, I'll give him that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 05:05:22 PM

I'm not against old players returning, but i'm thinking that his ship has sailed now. I can't see him being a good defensive midfielder anymore as he's far too slow now,not the most athletic. He's positive points are his touch and quick brain,so maybe he could be used in a role like Murphy had at Fulham, but i'd much rather us blood a youngster this season,which will have a far better effect on the team as a whole.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 05:11:32 PM

I already think Westwood is a better player in that midfield anchor role anyway. Barry has not got the legs to play as a box to box midfielder anymore and I'd argue that Delph's form (Barry's other potential position CML) at the back end of the season was also beyond the old Barry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 23, 2013, 05:20:26 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 01:24:24 PM

Can you imagine the press conference if Barry re-signed?  He'd obligated to spouting such crap as "coming home" and this is "my club" etc.  For that reason alone I think he should be avoided.

His comments at the petrov charity game would suggest he still has great feeling for villa and loved his time here - i understood his reasons for leaving and would welcome him back.

not sure I would want him back , but never had a problem with GB leaving. He was with us  a very long time , was a good pro with us and left to win something before it got to late . Shame it went a bit sour at the end thou in the press.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 23, 2013, 05:25:54 PM

I'd do a swap. We'll take one a past-his-best midfielder off their hands, so he can ply the rest of his Premier League career at the club that made him. In return Citeh get the same from us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2013, 06:01:42 PM

Assuming lower wages and he wanted to come and play for the the one true club after his years in the wilderness than yes. Hell yes actually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2013, 06:22:38 PM

I'd take Barry back aswell.

He'd do well in our present set up, calm old head next to Westwood, age isn't a problem with his lack of pace and he's certainly developed a winning mentality at City so that would be good for the young players in our squad.

Plus our midfield has been bobbins for ages so signing an excellent midfielder would be welcome.

Again a player over 30 on high wages, doubt it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 23, 2013, 06:26:21 PM

Sky pushing the Belhanda link again...

No to Barry for me far too slow but at least he would be there for penalties or would he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 23, 2013, 06:28:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 23, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

Is this Barry talk anything other than hypothetical? Because I would really like Gordon Cowans in his Taylor days to play for us again.

Can I point you in direction of the thread title. But also a requirement for this transfer thread is a sense of humor and is not to take everything seriously

YES IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A JOKE

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 23, 2013, 08:14:25 PM

Not sure I'd have Barry in our side over Westwood at the moment. The two together would cancel each other out I think. Though I do think with Barry, our set pieces would improve dramatically. We've got no one who can put a good corner or free kick in.
It aint gonna happen. Not in a million years. Even if he took a wage drop, a significant one, he'd still end up being one of our highest paid players. Lambert won't go for it. I think Barry could do an excellent job for us, don't get me wrong, but we have moved on now and we've got the makings of a very good midfield without him.

If there's one sort of experienced midfielder I'd want in the center, it'd be someone who might get us 5-10 goals. That is not Barry.

As for Belhanda. Yes please, but I'd guess we'd need to flog a few before he joins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 08:17:29 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 23, 2013, 06:28:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 23, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

Is this Barry talk anything other than hypothetical? Because I would really like Gordon Cowans in his Taylor days to play for us again.

Can I point you in direction of the thread title. But also a requirement for this transfer thread is a sense of humor and is not to take everything seriously

YES IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A JOKE

and to tell one...winky thingy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Klaus Katt on June 23, 2013, 08:27:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 23, 2013, 08:14:25 PM

Not sure I'd have Barry in our side over Westwood at the moment. The two together would cancel each other out I think. Though I do think with Barry, our set pieces would improve dramatically. We've got no one who can put a good corner or free kick in.
It aint gonna happen. Not in a million years. Even if he took a wage drop, a significant one, he'd still end up being one of our highest paid players. Lambert won't go for it. I think Barry could do an excellent job for us, don't get me wrong, but we have moved on now and we've got the makings of a very good midfield without him.

If there's one sort of experienced midfielder I'd want in the center, it'd be someone who might get us 5-10 goals. That is not Barry.

As for Belhanda. Yes please, but I'd guess we'd need to flog a few before he joins.

I think the main reason why we have scored so few from midfield is the lack of a good winger (or two).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2013, 08:48:49 PM

Adebayor, Barry?  Please don't make me laugh.  I can laugh at Tim Bresnan being in the England Cricket team without the newspapers putting together this sort of bullshit.  Absolute nonsense of the highest order.  Benteke for Adebayor?  Please, get real.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 23, 2013, 08:52:53 PM

Barry? Unbelievable. Pre-empting those incredibly nominating him: January Transfer Window 2015- 'Who we need back is Brett Holman of Dubai Academicals, fiddling about cockily in midfield for massive weekly wages.'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 23, 2013, 09:01:36 PM

As an idea, Barry returning, with his experience, could be good.
But, hasn't Westwood shown that he can do that job, with almost no experience, perfectly well?
Barry chose to plough his furrow elsewhere. He's made loadsa money and won some medals.
Westwood did brilliantly for us last season. I see him as part of the future Aston Villa.
Barry is part of the past.
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2013, 09:02:51 PM

Barry too slow and fat? He was a regular in the second best team in England last season.
Like Petrov, if either had been in our team last season, their composure and experience would have easily seen us top half instead of touching cloth til the middle of May.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 23, 2013, 09:08:19 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 22, 2013, 11:48:43 PM

The Mirror, which for me is the worst paper on the planet, has an article about Stephen Ireland joining Mark Hughes at Stoke.

That's a bold statement. The Mirror is shite but it is a couple of rungs up from the (defunct) NOTW and Daily Heil. The Mirror can be used to wipe your arse. The other 2 would make said orifice even dirtier,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:09:56 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 23, 2013, 06:28:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 23, 2013, 04:25:05 PM

Is this Barry talk anything other than hypothetical? Because I would really like Gordon Cowans in his Taylor days to play for us again.

Can I point you in direction of the thread title. But also a requirement for this transfer thread is a sense of humor and is not to take everything seriously

YES IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A JOKE

your name is a joke ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2013, 09:11:29 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 23, 2013, 09:08:19 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 22, 2013, 11:48:43 PM

The Mirror, which for me is the worst paper on the planet, has an article about Stephen Ireland joining Mark Hughes at Stoke.

That's a bold statement. The Mirror is shite but it is a couple of rungs up from the (defunct) NOTW and Daily Heil. The Mirror can be used to wipe your arse. The other 2 would make said orifice even dirtier,

Let's be honest, all of the above are shite.  There are only a couple of real sources to listen to, and they appear right here on H&V!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2013, 09:15:23 PM

Worrabout The Soaraway Sunday Sun?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 09:24:37 PM

Quote from: eamonn on June 23, 2013, 09:15:23 PM

Worrabout The Soaraway Sunday Sun?

Sounds like a bit from Monty Python.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2013, 09:29:17 PM

Or the Rochester Weekly Review.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:30:04 PM

Monty Python did a Philosophers' Football Match with Socrtaes Nietzsche Marx Archmiedas  now that was very funny. I also think they signing these players would bring a wealth of good experience and creativity to villa

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 23, 2013, 09:35:05 PM

I've seen the kit and no way would Barry's Arse fit in those shorts so it's a no from me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: newtonsballs on June 23, 2013, 09:37:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:30:04 PM

Monty Python did a Philosophers' Football Match with Socrtaes Nietzsche Marx Archmiedas  now that was very funny. I also think they signing these players would bring a wealth of good experience and creativity to villa

Didn't Karl Marx claim the Greek Phil's goal was off-side?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 23, 2013, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 23, 2013, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 23, 2013, 01:14:25 PM

He would help Westwood, Sylla, Delph and Bacuna. Of that I am sure.

Despite the way he left, I think Barry is a model pro and his calming influence could be what we need in the squad if not always in the first eleven.

Indeed.

I was always a fan of Barry, especially as he came across as the nice bloke who lived next door, didn't bother anyone and would help you out if you knocked on his door.  However he decided to take advice from that twunt Gerrard publicly which annoyed me no end.

On balance I'd have him back but he would have to reduce his salary by about 65% so no likely to happen

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on June 23, 2013, 09:43:10 PM

We missed Stan massively last year - Barry could play that role for us and more .

At the right price - and if we could ship out the deadwood - I think it would be a great deal . Would rather give him the salary than Ireland et al

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 23, 2013, 09:48:58 PM

We missed some experience last year I admit but I'm not sure either Barry or Petrov would suit our tactic of pressing high up the field.  I don't think either would have the energy levels required.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:50:35 PM

Quote from: newtonsballs on June 23, 2013, 09:37:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:30:04 PM

Monty Python did a Philosophers' Football Match with Socrtaes Nietzsche Marx Archmiedas  now that was very funny. I also think they signing these players would bring a wealth of good experience and creativity to villa

Didn't Karl Marx claim the Greek Phil's goal was off-side?

Hope this helps...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: devilla on June 23, 2013, 10:09:55 PM

Quote from: newtonsballs on June 23, 2013, 09:37:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:30:04 PM

Monty Python did a Philosophers' Football Match with Socrtaes Nietzsche Marx Archmiedas  now that was very funny. I also think they signing these players would bring a wealth of good experience and creativity to villa

Didn't Karl Marx claim the Greek Phil's goal was off-side?

He did but Socrates was clearly onside.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: newtonsballs on June 23, 2013, 10:32:58 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:50:35 PM

Quote from: newtonsballs on June 23, 2013, 09:37:42 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 23, 2013, 09:30:04 PM

Monty Python did a Philosophers' Football Match with Socrtaes Nietzsche Marx Archmiedas  now that was very funny. I also think they signing these players would bring a wealth of good experience and creativity to villa

Didn't Karl Marx claim the Greek Phil's goal was off-side?

Hope this helps...

Many thanks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2013, 10:41:18 PM

I think Barry would be perfect for us - just what we need.  We surely cannot rely on youth alone again this season?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 11:10:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

I can't decide, I can see how he'd fit the system we play and I think he'd be excellent so I understand the link, I also think the money for the fee and wages is fine, but I think Bacuna is a similar player so I'm not sure anymore.  I hope so though, I think he'd be an exciting player to fill the role we tried to give to nzogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:11:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

Where?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2013, 11:12:40 PM

Although I can't see it happening, I personally think Barry would be a great signing for us if the money was right.  I think some of the comments about his loss of mobility and speed are a touch on the harsh side, and that his composure and quality on the ball are certainly things we could do with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2013, 11:18:32 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:11:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

Where?

Sky Sports sources and Twitter. Which are the same thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 23, 2013, 11:23:53 PM

Barry is still a very good player. However, I can't see him coming into our midfield without displacing Westwood and for that reason I'm out. I also don't see Lambert going for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 11:31:53 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:11:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

Where?

SSN mate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 23, 2013, 11:33:48 PM

Does Barry fit the "young and hungry" philosophy ? There is your answer .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2013, 11:48:49 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 23, 2013, 11:33:48 PM

Does Barry fit the "young and hungry" philosophy ? There is your answer .......

This is true but surely Lambert is bright enough to realise we need a proper leader in the middle of park - usually they are very experienced.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 24, 2013, 12:01:51 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 23, 2013, 11:33:48 PM

Does Barry fit the "young and hungry" philosophy ? There is your answer .......

well he didnt get an arse that big without being hungry i'll tell you that for nothing lol

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 24, 2013, 12:52:10 AM

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2013, 11:48:49 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 23, 2013, 11:33:48 PM

Does Barry fit the "young and hungry" philosophy ? There is your answer .......

This is true but surely Lambert is bright enough to realise we need a proper leader in the middle of park - usually they are very experienced.

But PL wants the team to grow and gain experience together. We still have experienced players. Gabby-Vlaar-Nzogbia-Guzan-Bent-Ireland .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 24, 2013, 12:53:06 AM

For what very little it's worth, I'm chucking my Barry vote into the pot;

Yes:

No:  X

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2013, 01:02:44 AM

Seems legit. Must be ITK otherwise he wouldn't be a Villa agent.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/belh_zps59bf35be.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 01:10:39 AM

Well that seals that then. Superb news. Well done Mr Aston Villa Agent.

On a separate note, having thought about it, tossed and turned at night and agreed with a lot of the ill feeling towards Barry, I'd give him another shot. He's not Downing. He gave a lot during his time at the club, is mates with and has influenced many of the players still at the club, and is close to Petrov. I think to engpd his career, for a season or two he'd be a great steadying factor to some of the kids at the club. I haven't forgotten the Liverpool bollocks but I can forgive if he can help the current cause.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2013, 01:25:59 AM

AVFCAgent wouldn't be a bellend about Belhanda, would he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2013, 05:35:42 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2013, 11:18:32 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 23, 2013, 11:11:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

Where?

Sky Sports sources and Twitter. Which are the same thing.

Can't argue with "sky's sources"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:33:57 AM

I felt ok about the previous budget signings but if the Belhanda link is accurate and we are splashing the big bucks does it increase the possibility that Bentekkers could head out? :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2013, 07:39:47 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:33:57 AM

I felt ok about the previous budget signings but if the Belhanda link is accurate and we are splashing the big bucks does it increase the possibility that Bentekkers could head out? :(

I think there is more chance of Tekkers signing a 10 year deal and pledging his career to us than us spending 12.5 million on Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:54:16 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2013, 07:39:47 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:33:57 AM

I felt ok about the previous budget signings but if the Belhanda link is accurate and we are splashing the big bucks does it increase the possibility that Bentekkers could head out? :(

I think there is more chance of Tekkers signing a 10 year deal and pledging his career to us than us spending 12.5 million on Belhanda.

Really Ozz? Why so adamant? Are you basing that on our current policy or have I missed something? It does seem unlikely given the players we have brought in; Bakuna and Tonev. Unless we are playing hardball we'd have recruited him by now if we wanted him surely? Shame as looks a quality player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 08:14:21 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:54:16 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 24, 2013, 07:39:47 AM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on June 24, 2013, 07:33:57 AM

I felt ok about the previous budget signings but if the Belhanda link is accurate and we are splashing the big bucks does it increase the possibility that Bentekkers could head out? :(

I think there is more chance of Tekkers signing a 10 year deal and pledging his career to us than us spending 12.5 million on Belhanda.

Really Ozz? Why so adamant? Are you basing that on our current policy or have I missed something? It does seem unlikely given the players we have brought in; Bakuna and Tonev. Unless we are playing hardball we'd have recruited him by now if we wanted him surely? Shame as looks a quality player.

I tend to think, as someone else pointed out on here recently, that we're looking for the likes of Belhanda before they become £12m players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2013, 08:35:44 AM

We were linked and reportedly in for all those we have signed with their local press before the press here got wind of it. We said nothing or confirmed it. Belhanda however, the local press were all informed by Villa that there was no interest at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ROBBO on June 24, 2013, 08:39:30 AM

Barry had his critics before he left, too slow, can't chase back and the most telling not a good Captain, far too quiet on the pitch. No way will Lambert consider him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 08:47:51 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 11:10:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

I can't decide, I can see how he'd fit the system we play and I think he'd be excellent so I understand the link, I also think the money for the fee and wages is fine, but I think Bacuna is a similar player so I'm not sure anymore.  I hope so though, I think he'd be an exciting player to fill the role we tried to give to nzogbia.

As a bit of a tactical guru Paul e, I'm interested to hear how you think he'd fit in the system?
For me he looks a Number 10 which would mean a change to 4231.  Would you play him in one of the Gabby/Weimann roles?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 24, 2013, 09:05:50 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if we spent £12 million on a player. But I would be surprised if that player were Belhanda, given that lambert has already ruled him out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2013, 09:13:21 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 08:47:51 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 11:10:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

I can't decide, I can see how he'd fit the system we play and I think he'd be excellent so I understand the link, I also think the money for the fee and wages is fine, but I think Bacuna is a similar player so I'm not sure anymore.  I hope so though, I think he'd be an exciting player to fill the role we tried to give to nzogbia.

As a bit of a tactical guru Paul e, I'm interested to hear how you think he'd fit in the system?
For me he looks a Number 10 which would mean a change to 4231.  Would you play him in one of the Gabby/Weimann roles?

No he would be a central midfielder, from what i've seen he's got the work rate you want to be given the attacking role in a 3 (how we played Nzogbia in front of Westwood and Delph).  The main reason Sylla for Nzogbia worked is that Sylla closed up the space in midfield, often playing ahead of the other 2 when we were defending, but I don't think he has the goal threat to be a permanent solution there, I think Belhanda would score plenty from midfield for us, without him we're pinning our hopes on 1 of 3 things happening:

Delph finds his scoring boots
Gardner makes the step up and becomes a mainstay in the side in the space of a couple of weeks
Bacuna settles quickly and is the type of player we're hoping him to be (I think he is but he needs time)

If we're going to sign one proven player I think this is the most important position to do it in, some people will say we need a defender but I think our defensive problems last year were as much down to our midfield as anything else.  We were particularly poor in dealing with players in a 'deep lying playmaker' role, Luiz in that game at chelsea, rooney (oddly) in the Man U game (where RVP scored his offside goal of the season).  It's because our setup needs us to be fighting for the ball higher up the pitch, we have no ocver for our fullbacks, we can't give them an easy time getting their fullbacks forward and hitting them with crossfield passes.  If their fullbacks do break forward we need to try to win it at source so Gabby and Weimann can exploit that space out wide.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 24, 2013, 09:37:36 AM

Daily Star is touting Benteke to Spurs..... again.
And i really don't see this Belhanda thing being a runner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 24, 2013, 09:43:51 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 24, 2013, 09:05:50 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if we spent £12 million on a player. But I would be surprised if that player were Belhanda, given that lambert has already ruled him out

Pretty much the way I see it, too.

As we shift more of the higher earners off I think it becomes more likely.  I also think Randy will back Lambert's judgement if he thinks a player is worth going that extra yard for.

The only thing I can see where such a deal may fall down if with Lambert himself, where he may doubt it's value for money and he could get a £6m player that would give us the same contribution.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 24, 2013, 09:48:23 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 24, 2013, 09:43:51 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 24, 2013, 09:05:50 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if we spent £12 million on a player. But I would be surprised if that player were Belhanda, given that lambert has already ruled him out

Pretty much the way I see it, too.

As we shift more of the higher earners off I think it becomes more likely.  I also think Randy will back Lambert's judgement if he thinks a player is worth going that extra yard for.

The only thing I can see where such a deal may fall down if with Lambert himself, where he may doubt it's value for money and he could get a £6m player that would give us the same contribution.   

Is he not a Link striker which we have in Tonev and Helinus ? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 24, 2013, 10:00:11 AM

Anyone heard anything about Popov since his initial link? He'd come out in the press and said that Petrov had told him we were interested..

Possibly something we'll look into if Bent leaves?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 10:10:37 AM

I would'nt totally be against Barry coming back, that's if he's happy to sit on the bench and come on for the last 20 minutes to help see games out. It would'nt surprise me to see him end up somewhere like West Ham though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 10:12:50 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 10:10:37 AM

I would'nt totally be against Barry coming back, that's if he's happy to sit on the bench and come on for the last 20 minutes to help see games out. It would'nt surprise me to see him end up somewhere like West Ham though.

Delivering pin point set pieces for the line out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2013, 10:15:56 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 10:12:50 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 10:10:37 AM

I would'nt totally be against Barry coming back, that's if he's happy to sit on the bench and come on for the last 20 minutes to help see games out. It would'nt surprise me to see him end up somewhere like West Ham though.

Delivering pin point set pieces for the line out.

With Barry's bulk, you would think that Fat Sam would want Barry to slot in at Tight Head, bulk up that front row now that they've got Carroll in at lock too.

Their pack is going to have some weight behind it.

I hope those hoof merchants get relegated. Wankers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 10:26:03 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 24, 2013, 09:13:21 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 08:47:51 AM

Quote from: paul_e on June 23, 2013, 11:10:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 23, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Any body think that Belhanda still might end up at Villa.? Lots of rumours going around.

I can't decide, I can see how he'd fit the system we play and I think he'd be excellent so I understand the link, I also think the money for the fee and wages is fine, but I think Bacuna is a similar player so I'm not sure anymore.  I hope so though, I think he'd be an exciting player to fill the role we tried to give to nzogbia.

As a bit of a tactical guru Paul e, I'm interested to hear how you think he'd fit in the system?
For me he looks a Number 10 which would mean a change to 4231.  Would you play him in one of the Gabby/Weimann roles?

No he would be a central midfielder, from what i've seen he's got the work rate you want to be given the attacking role in a 3 (how we played Nzogbia in front of Westwood and Delph).  The main reason Sylla for Nzogbia worked is that Sylla closed up the space in midfield, often playing ahead of the other 2 when we were defending, but I don't think he has the goal threat to be a permanent solution there, I think Belhanda would score plenty from midfield for us, without him we're pinning our hopes on 1 of 3 things happening:

Delph finds his scoring boots
Gardner makes the step up and becomes a mainstay in the side in the space of a couple of weeks
Bacuna settles quickly and is the type of player we're hoping him to be (I think he is but he needs time)

If we're going to sign one proven player I think this is the most important position to do it in, some people will say we need a defender but I think our defensive problems last year were as much down to our midfield as anything else.  We were particularly poor in dealing with players in a 'deep lying playmaker' role, Luiz in that game at chelsea, rooney (oddly) in the Man U game (where RVP scored his offside goal of the season).  It's because our setup needs us to be fighting for the ball higher up the pitch, we have no ocver for our fullbacks, we can't give them an easy time getting their fullbacks forward and hitting them with crossfield passes.  If their fullbacks do break forward we need to try to win it at source so Gabby and Weimann can exploit that space out wide.

Thanks Paul.  Appreciated.
I did often notice Sylla in advanced positions although I assumed that was him being out of position rather than a tactical masterplan. 

I agree that this is the key position to fill as the bloke is going to have to be our attacking dimension (along with Delph, who has impressed me) but without compromising the midfield's defensive structure.  Milner would be ideal but that's mainly because I know his attributes.  The descriptions of Bacuna are similar although I don't think anyone knows how good he will be. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on June 24, 2013, 10:30:07 AM

Barry on top of what we have already? Can't see the point.

Barry instead of KEA? On the same wages? Yeah, go on then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2013, 10:30:26 AM

The metro said Spurs were going to open negotiations with £20m Benteke, How are they going to open negotiations if they haven't had a bid accepted and no way will they let him go for £20m (in my opinion anyway)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 10:31:56 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2013, 10:30:26 AM

The metro said Spurs were going to open negotiations with £20m Benteke, How are they going to open negotiations if they haven't had a bid accepted and no way will they let him go for £20m (in my opinion anyway)

£20m is laughable , and why would he want to go to spurs?
Another year at villa and he will have much bigger clubs than spurs on offer .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

As I've said ib the first comment I think Bacuna will be the player he puts into that role, I just think it's a lot to ask of a guy who been pushed all over the park for a few seasons.  If he settles in like Benteke did and hits the ground running then great but I'm not sure we should be banking on that.  We've done very well with theses youngsters who were considered 'not quite ready' so far but to think we can do the same with all of them is a bit of a risk, I think we'll see as many Bennetts as we see Lowtons going forward (i.e. taking the best part of a season to look capable of playing at this level).

If we're going to spend £12m on a player I'd rather it be someone of the age and reputation of Belhanda, I think there's comparitively little risk there.  We spent big on Benteke (compared to the rest of our signings) and he's turned out to be the best of the bunch, there's a lesson in that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on June 24, 2013, 10:36:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 10:31:56 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 24, 2013, 10:30:26 AM

The metro said Spurs were going to open negotiations with £20m Benteke, How are they going to open negotiations if they haven't had a bid accepted and no way will they let him go for £20m (in my opinion anyway)

£20m is laughable , and why would he want to go to spurs?
Another year at villa and he will have much bigger clubs than spurs on offer .

My biggest fear is that they will have the money to spend on Benteke from the Bale to West Ham for £25m sale...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 10:42:58 AM

Belhanda was being touted as being chased by several top clubs , however nobody seems to have put in a bid for him and the owner may drop his price - he seems more keen to sell than anyone does to buy - seems a bit odd that .

Villa have tipped off the local press including kendrick that we have no interest in belhanda so i can't see it happening .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 24, 2013, 10:59:22 AM

It could be a method from Villa to get price below 10 millions and it could be poker tactics to stop other club thinking we got money to spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 24, 2013, 11:09:11 AM

Spurs have actually bid for Benteke? Bless.

As for Barry, taking the emotion out of the fact that he's pissed off a lot of fans at Villa, I don't think we could turn down the opportunity of having him back, seeing as we were crying out for a Petrov like influenece last season, when the youngsters were struggling. My only concern is wages, given that he's on a fortune at Man City. He might well elect to run the contract down, staying put.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 11:09:16 AM

Except that Lambert isn't one to talk about his signings in advance.  He ain't no 'Arry "I've never even seen the lad play" Redknapp.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 24, 2013, 12:20:30 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on June 24, 2013, 11:09:11 AM

Spurs have actually bid for Benteke? Bless.

As for Barry, taking the emotion out of the fact that he's pissed off a lot of fans at Villa, I don't think we could turn down the opportunity of having him back, seeing as we were crying out for a Petrov like influenece last season, when the youngsters were struggling. My only concern is wages, given that he's on a fortune at Man City. He might well elect to run the contract down, staying put.

Petrov is not replaced I agree, and GB would do a good job in such a young team for a club ( us) who I reckon he is very fond of.

His wages ? I reckon Citeh would pay some of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 01:00:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Liverpool are also in for 'mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's', but they want to pay around 2-3 times what they could get him for in an attempt to still look like some kind of serious player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2013, 01:11:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 01:00:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Liverpool are also in for 'mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's', but they want to pay around 2-3 times what they could get him for in an attempt to still look like some kind of serious player.

Ha! Very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 24, 2013, 01:54:18 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Do you agree that early20 somethimgs will do a good job all season, surely not.

Surely Lambert can see this  ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 24, 2013, 01:56:58 PM

Gareth Barry would come back to Villa - no doubt about it. I don't think Lambert would want him though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 02:24:07 PM

Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 24, 2013, 01:56:58 PM

Gareth Barry would come back to Villa - no doubt about it. I don't think Lambert would want him though.

Lamberts had a team at Norwich packed with experienced older players , I think he would be interested if it was the right player with the right attitude - Barry i believe would relish the chance to help bring the younger players through alongside him and I think his attitude would be spot on - i also think he would probably choose villa ahead of some others who may want him - wouldnt rule this out totally .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 24, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

If we had to go for an experienced player in that kind of position I'd rather we went for Scott Parker who could play further forward. I don't think Barry plays in a position where we are weak and the player he is most likely to displace would be Westwood who is one of our star performers. If we are to bring in another experienced player my preference would be a defender anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 02:55:51 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 24, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

If we had to go for an experienced player in that kind of position I'd rather we went for Scott Parker who could play further forward. I don't think Barry plays in a position where we are weak and the player he is most likely to displace would be Westwood who is one of our star performers. If we are to bring in another experienced player my preference would be a defender anyway.

Barry did play in defence early in his career as well as at left back , do you think he could drop back into central defence sandman in he way that some other midfielders have done later on their career ?

He certainly has the ability to play in more than one position .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 24, 2013, 03:02:10 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 24, 2013, 02:34:43 PM

If we had to go for an experienced player in that kind of position I'd rather we went for Scott Parker who could play further forward. I don't think Barry plays in a position where we are weak and the player he is most likely to displace would be Westwood who is one of our star performers. If we are to bring in another experienced player my preference would be a defender anyway.

Don't think that would be the case Sandman.  I think he would play alongside Westwood in a 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 formation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on June 24, 2013, 03:02:26 PM

I'd be happy with Barry back at the Villa, bags of International and Premiership experience......I would like to think at his age and the money he has earned out of the game that wages would be a stumbling block.

I said good luck to him when he left and would certainly have him back....and if he could just have a word with Milner too that would be super....

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 24, 2013, 03:22:59 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2013, 01:11:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 01:00:21 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Liverpool are also in for 'mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's', but they want to pay around 2-3 times what they could get him for in an attempt to still look like some kind of serious player.

Ha! Very good.

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.
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Liverpool are also in for 'mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's', but they want to pay around 2-3 times what they could get him for in an attempt to still look like some kind of serious player.
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Ha! Very good.
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Luke Murphy  to Wolves ,  according to Sky they have had a bid accepted ..... bit of a step down I,d have thought .................................Godzvilla !

" Sky Sports understands that Wolves have had an offer accepted for highly-rated Crewe midfielder Luke Murphy. The likes of Swansea, Leeds, Middlesbrough and Blackburn are also believed to have cast admiring glances in Murphy's direction "

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:29:56 PM

As Godzilla says its being widely reported that Crewe have accepted an offer for luke murphy from wolves - if we do want him lambert will need to make his move now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2013, 03:30:20 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on June 24, 2013, 01:54:18 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 24, 2013, 12:57:24 PM

Barry wouldn't fit with Lamberts style. He's on too much money. He's too old. We can debate his uses all we like, and in all honesty I think he'd help our side, especially in big games and games where we're holding a lead, but the fact is, there's about a 0% chance of him coming back. And that's an optimistic guess.
Luke Murphy is more likely, or mystery foreign midfielder in early 20's we haven't heard of yet.

Do you agree that early20 somethimgs will do a good job all season, surely not.

Surely Lambert can see this  ?

Not entirely. I do think Westwood will probably be very consistent next season though, and he'd be playing the position Barry would conceivably play if he were to arrive.
I do think at times we're gonna miss experience but we just have to accept what Lambert is doing. Westwood has a full season in the Prem under his belt now, he's played a lot of league footy now. He's getting that experience and I think he's a future captain for us.
We'll suffer in spells this season, no question. But that said there's very few experienced, quality players out there who we could afford, would come here, that would make much of a difference. And if anything, defence is where we lack experience the most.
Again though, the current approach means that we're unlikely to sign a Barry or a Lescott. I'd happily have both in our squad, but it aint gonna happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: *shellac* on June 24, 2013, 03:31:26 PM

I think we can safely say we had (and still having) bad experience with players from Man City.  With that in mind, Barry's a No No for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2013, 03:37:13 PM

Battling Wolves for the signature of another player heavily linked? I wonder of all the young signings we've made, (perhaps Okore aside) was this the shit sort of competition we had to beat off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Right Eastie.  There is no way that Sylla and Delph are picked ahead of Westwood.  He was the most consistent player in that midfield alst season and is probably the only one of the three that Lambert isn't looking for an improved version of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 03:46:21 PM

I think Delph's form at the end of last season justifies him holding onto the shirt for the start of this season.  He and Westwood start for me with the third spot up for grabs. 

That right of the three position is where I think we should be spending our money but I haven't got a clue who to suggest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mark H on June 24, 2013, 03:50:03 PM

Funny how we all see things slightly different , I would pick Sylla over Delph with Westwood based on the last few months of the season , and then look to out one of the new ones in front of those 2

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on June 24, 2013, 03:50:07 PM

If it could work - we would be mad not to bring Barry back for a couple of seasons..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2013, 03:51:52 PM

Quote from: *shellac* on June 24, 2013, 03:31:26 PM

I think we can safely say we had (and still having) bad experience with players from Man City.  With that in mind, Barry's a No No for me.

That means nothing. We signed Djemba-Djemba and McGrath from the same club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gerrin on June 24, 2013, 03:54:47 PM

Quote from: Mark H on June 24, 2013, 03:50:03 PM

Funny how we all see things slightly different , I would pick Sylla over Delph with Westwood based on the last few months of the season , and then look to out one of the new ones in front of those 2

I'd agree with that view, Delph just isn't up to it in my opinion, had loads of chances now. The amount of times he shoots from long distnace and is nowhere near hitting the target is frustrating as it's a complete waste. Sylla looks like a very solid player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 03:59:07 PM

I personally would leave Westie, Sylla and Delph in the starting line up for the first game, unless the likes of Bacuna or whoever else comes in has a great pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on June 24, 2013, 04:20:08 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Right Eastie.  There is no way that Sylla and Delph are picked ahead of Westwood.  He was the most consistent player in that midfield alst season and is probably the only one of the three that Lambert isn't looking for an improved version of.

With all due respect, they can all be improved on right now bar Benteke. Relegation was only just avoided. I like a lot of our players and there is lots of potential. We should be better next season as hopefully the youngsters will improve, but nobody should be that comfortable of their place based on where we finished last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:20:36 PM

Apparantley Small Heath have accepted two bids from Premiership clubs for Nathan Redmond. Could one of them be us bearing in mind we've lost N'Zogbia possibly until the new year? Fits in with Lambert's young player philosophy i suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 04:21:25 PM

we can't just have one Westwood type player in the squad. He needs to stay sharp also and have competition. Currently I cannot think of another player that does his job so I don't buy into we shouldn't buy Barry or any other of that type of player just because we have Westwood. And what if gets injured or his form dips? Every player needs to feel uncertain of their place in the first team and that includes those we might consider dead certs to start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 04:21:25 PM

we can't just have one Westwood type player in the squad. He needs to stay sharp also and have competition. Currently I cannot think of another player that does his job so I don't buy into we shouldn't buy Barry or any other of that type of player just because we have Westwood. And what if gets injured or his form dips? Every player needs to feel uncertain of their place in the first team and that includes those we might consider dead certs to start.

We've also got KEA though who might be a more settled and better player going into his second season. He could play the holding role if anybody if he had to. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 04:41:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:29:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 04:21:25 PM

we can't just have one Westwood type player in the squad. He needs to stay sharp also and have competition. Currently I cannot think of another player that does his job so I don't buy into we shouldn't buy Barry or any other of that type of player just because we have Westwood. And what if gets injured or his form dips? Every player needs to feel uncertain of their place in the first team and that includes those we might consider dead certs to start.

We've also got KEA though who might be a more settled and better player going into his second season. He could play the holding role if anybody if he had to. 

I hope so, but I wouldn't want to rely on that

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 04:46:28 PM

I've seen little to suggest that kea will be the answer, I think he is out of his depth at this level and similar to Holman the step up from the Dutch league has been too big for him, I wouldn't be worried to see him moved on this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2013, 04:55:54 PM

I don't think KEA is out of his depth, I think he's way off the pace of the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:05:11 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 24, 2013, 04:55:54 PM

I don't think KEA is out of his depth, I think he's way off the pace of the game.

He looked the part in pre- season last year but his game went to pot pretty quickly after the season began and was a disappointment .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:07:19 PM

With players like KEA though, they sometimes don't always blend in until the second season. It may well be the case with him. There were people on here raving about his performance in the second half up at old Trafford and wanted him included in the next starting line up. There might be a player there somewhere, there might not. I think Lambert might will perserve with him seeing as he brought him in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:11:23 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:07:19 PM

With players like KEA though, they sometimes don't always blend in until the second season. It may well be the case with him. There were people on here raving about his performance in the second half up at old Trafford and wanted him included in the next starting line up. There might be a player there somewhere, there might not. I think Lambert might will perserve with him seeing as he brought him in.

You may well be right clampy, lambert was really praising him in pre season saying he expected him to make a real impact - lets hope he can get his game together and show us some of the quality he has in his game, maybe its a confidence thing with him , as when on his game he did look the business at times but he needs to deliver on a regular basis.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:12:34 PM

@MatKendrick: Derrick Williams has moved to Bristol City #goodluck #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:17:09 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 04:46:28 PM

I've seen little to suggest that kea will be the answer, I think he is out of his depth at this level and similar to Holman the step up from the Dutch league has been too big for him, I wouldn't be worried to see him moved on this summer.

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:11:23 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:07:19 PM

With players like KEA though, they sometimes don't always blend in until the second season. It may well be the case with him. There were people on here raving about his performance in the second half up at old Trafford and wanted him included in the next starting line up. There might be a player there somewhere, there might not. I think Lambert might will perserve with him seeing as he brought him in.

You may well be right clampy, lambert was really praising him in pre season saying he expected him to make a real impact - lets hope he can get his game together and show us some of the quality he has in his game, maybe its a confidence thing with him , as when on his game he did look the business at times but he needs to deliver on a regular basis.

Make your mind up Eastie, you said he was out of his depth 5 minutes ago.  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:21:08 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:17:09 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 04:46:28 PM

I've seen little to suggest that kea will be the answer, I think he is out of his depth at this level and similar to Holman the step up from the Dutch league has been too big for him, I wouldn't be worried to see him moved on this summer.

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:11:23 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:07:19 PM

With players like KEA though, they sometimes don't always blend in until the second season. It may well be the case with him. There were people on here raving about his performance in the second half up at old Trafford and wanted him included in the next starting line up. There might be a player there somewhere, there might not. I think Lambert might will perserve with him seeing as he brought him in.

You may well be right clampy, lambert was really praising him in pre season saying he expected him to make a real impact - lets hope he can get his game together and show us some of the quality he has in his game, maybe its a confidence thing with him , as when on his game he did look the business at times but he needs to deliver on a regular basis.

Make your mind up Eastie, you said he was out of his depth 5 minutes ago.  ;)

Doing it in 2 or 3 games is not enough , as I said he needs to deliver regularly and so far he hasn't done that - whatever the reason he has not been good enough to hold a place in a struggling team - to do that he needs to improve a lot with his consistency - i would not be too worried to see him leave .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 24, 2013, 05:26:05 PM

Clamps, you old rascal, stop messing with H&V's very own Jim White. Bad karma, man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 05:30:06 PM

Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on June 24, 2013, 05:26:05 PM

Clamps, you old rascal, stop messing with H&V's very own Jim White. Bad karma, man.

Sorry Rocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 24, 2013, 05:32:36 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Right Eastie.  There is no way that Sylla and Delph are picked ahead of Westwood.  He was the most consistent player in that midfield alst season and is probably the only one of the three that Lambert isn't looking for an improved version of.

i'd pick Delph ahead of Westward and Sylla,
 I think he was our most influential midfielder last season,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on June 24, 2013, 05:32:59 PM

How about Kasper Schmeichel?

No link or anything but could be an good back up keeper option. The right age (26) to battle with Guzan over the next few years.

Also seeing the Luke Murphy and Wolves link - Looks like we will now see if PL does want him or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:34:36 PM

Quote from: JR89 on June 24, 2013, 05:32:59 PM

How about Kasper Schmeichel?

No link or anything but could be an good back up keeper option. The right age (26) to battle with Guzan over the next few years.

Also seeing the Luke Murphy and Wolves link - Looks like we will now see if PL does want him or not.

I think we will wait until given has found a club before we bring a keeper in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Quote from: john e on June 24, 2013, 05:32:36 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Right Eastie.  There is no way that Sylla and Delph are picked ahead of Westwood.  He was the most consistent player in that midfield alst season and is probably the only one of the three that Lambert isn't looking for an improved version of.

i'd pick Delph ahead of Westward and Sylla,
 I think he was our most influential midfielder last season,

Westward? Suggests you prefer Eastie??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 24, 2013, 05:42:51 PM

Quote from: JR89 on June 24, 2013, 05:32:59 PM

How about Kasper Schmeichel?

No link or anything but could be an good back up keeper option. The right age (26) to battle with Guzan over the next few years.

Also seeing the Luke Murphy and Wolves link - Looks like we will now see if PL does want him or not.

I think it could be a good option. Schmeichel is probably ready to step back into the Premiership now. He'd be good back up for Guzan. If Given does stay I'd consider loaning Shay out and having Siegrist on the bench, and also play him in cup games. If Guzan were to get injured we could recall Given from his loan. We'd of course have to include a recall clause.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mazrimsbruv on June 24, 2013, 05:47:09 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Quote from: john e on June 24, 2013, 05:32:36 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: barrysleftfoot on June 24, 2013, 03:29:26 PM

 Thats how i see it paul-e.

 As it stands i think PL is looking for a better Westwood , if you like.He sees Delph and Sylla as having the energy, pace, aggression to play as defensive midfielders, now he is looking for a player to play alongside these players who can pick a pass, create chances, score goals.Belhanda, from the clips on youtube, looks a Dembele kind of player, or you can play a Lampard kind of player, that would be Bacuna.

 I think we will buy Belhanda, or a similar kind of player, and possibly a player to put Gabby/Weimann under pressure.But the midfield 3 of Sylla, Delph and Belhanda, would have a very good balance to it, with Westwood, GG and KEA as back ups.

I don't see Delph and sylla being ahead of Westwood - I think Westwood will probably be more likely keep his place in the team than either of those.

Right Eastie.  There is no way that Sylla and Delph are picked ahead of Westwood.  He was the most consistent player in that midfield alst season and is probably the only one of the three that Lambert isn't looking for an improved version of.

i'd pick Delph ahead of Westward and Sylla,
 I think he was our most influential midfielder last season,

Westward? Suggests you prefer Eastie??

Westward? I've heard he's a bit of a 'Ho'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:47:55 PM

Derrick Williams is determined to forge a career on the strong principles he has learnt over his time at Villa having completed a move to Bristol City.

The 20-year-old defender emerged through the Villa Academy to play in every round of the 2009-10 FA Youth Cup as Villa progressed to the final before losing to Chelsea over two legs.

He also made a significant contribution to Villa's success in the reserve league and NextGen Series in 2011-12 and the Republic of Ireland U21 international's form propelled him to the fringes of the first team.

"I want to make a career for myself and I'm grateful for the great start I've been given by Aston Villa and coming through the Villa Academy," Williams said.

"Bristol City were interested and it's a big club. I'm looking forward to the challenge.

"I needed to take this step. I hope it's the right decision.

"I have no issues dropping down to League One. The club's aim is to bounce back stronger and it's a great goal to have.

"I just can't wait to get going now and meet all the lads on Thursday. I'm a bit nervous but I'm certainly looking forward to it.

"I did my YT at Villa from the age of 16 and worked with the likes of Kevin Macdonald and Tony McAndrew.

"I've been playing reserve team football for the last three years and it comes to a stage when you want to play for the first team.

"I've also played for the Under-19s and Under-21s for Ireland. The next step is to play for the senior team; that's certainly the aim and hopefully this move will help in the long run."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:57:46 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:20:36 PM

Apparantley Small Heath have accepted two bids from Premiership clubs for Nathan Redmond. Could one of them be us bearing in mind we've lost N'Zogbia possibly until the new year? Fits in with Lambert's young player philosophy i suppose.

No!

@thegoalzone: We understand the two bids for Nathan Redmond are from Norwich and Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 06:12:51 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

(http://i.imgur.com/2ujHPCD.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

Presumably a non serious provocative suggestion. Bad disciplinary record when in the Prem and relegated twice in 2 seasons. Ditto Roger Johnson, before somebody mentions him. So many people on here are unbelievably blind and deaf to what is going on at Villa under Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2013, 06:17:54 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:47:55 PM

Derrick Williams is determined to forge a career on the strong principles he has learnt over his time at Villa having completed a move to Bristol City.

The 20-year-old defender emerged through the Villa Academy to play in every round of the 2009-10 FA Youth Cup as Villa progressed to the final before losing to Chelsea over two legs.

He also made a significant contribution to Villa's success in the reserve league and NextGen Series in 2011-12 and the Republic of Ireland U21 international's form propelled him to the fringes of the first team.

"I want to make a career for myself and I'm grateful for the great start I've been given by Aston Villa and coming through the Villa Academy," Williams said.

"Bristol City were interested and it's a big club. I'm looking forward to the challenge.

"I needed to take this step. I hope it's the right decision.

"I have no issues dropping down to League One. The club's aim is to bounce back stronger and it's a great goal to have.

"I just can't wait to get going now and meet all the lads on Thursday. I'm a bit nervous but I'm certainly looking forward to it.

"I did my YT at Villa from the age of 16 and worked with the likes of Kevin Macdonald and Tony McAndrew.

"I've been playing reserve team football for the last three years and it comes to a stage when you want to play for the first team.

"I've also played for the Under-19s and Under-21s for Ireland. The next step is to play for the senior team; that's certainly the aim and hopefully this move will help in the long run."

Sounds like a sensible lad to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 06:20:55 PM

Bit surprised we released williams to be honest - might have been a better option to just loan him out for a year and see how he progressed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 24, 2013, 06:25:38 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 06:20:55 PM

Bit surprised we released williams to be honest - might have been a better option to just loan him out for a year and see how he progressed.

You'll probably find he enquired with Lambert what his chances were of making the first team this season, was told not very high, and so was offered the chance to leave. Not every player that goes is because we don't want to keep them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:30:26 PM

Paul. Provocative yes as I reflected and I am not talking starting 11 but if you cant see that there were times last season when we needed someone to demonstrate steel and drive us forward then I fear it is you who need the white stick not me. Its about balance and right now the squad doesnt have it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 06:31:54 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:30:26 PM

Paul. Provocative yes as I reflected and I am not talking starting 11 but if you cant see that there were times last season when we needed someone to demonstrate steel and drive us forward then I fear it is you who need the white stick not me. Its about balance and right now the squad doesnt have it

We do need that steel and drive you mention but Karl Henry is not the man to provide it in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 24, 2013, 06:38:32 PM

@nigel_spink: Gareth Barry? Adds valuable experience to the team @avfc hope he's still hungry??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2013, 06:38:40 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:30:26 PM

Paul. Provocative yes as I reflected and I am not talking starting 11 but if you cant see that there were times last season when we needed someone to demonstrate steel and drive us forward then I fear it is you who need the white stick not me. Its about balance and right now the squad doesnt have it

Karl Henry would provide 'balance' in the same way a lump of concrete does in a sackful of kittens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:39:22 PM

I understand Eastie and I promise he wasnt on my christmas list. I just think barry isnt that kind of player and the only person talking about belhanda is the montpelier chairman - very odd.

Lets hope we find someone

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 24, 2013, 06:47:53 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

Only if we could pair him with Cattermole.

Otherwise it's a ludicrous idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

with all due respect sir, but what recovery step are you on?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2013, 07:08:49 PM

I'm sure there's a competition to find the worst possible transfer target. Before I enter, I need to track McLeish down and get his advice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 07:09:01 PM

Mat Kendrick repeating that Villa are definitely not chasing Belhanda. (He doesn't mention Henry, probably because he is laughing too hard.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 07:39:17 PM

Or Robbie Savage was looking pretty fit after all that dancing? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 24, 2013, 07:44:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

with all due respect sir, but what recovery step are you on?

Which is the one where you have to cut your toenails with a scythe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:57:46 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:20:36 PM

Apparantley Small Heath have accepted two bids from Premiership clubs for Nathan Redmond. Could one of them be us bearing in mind we've lost N'Zogbia possibly until the new year? Fits in with Lambert's young player philosophy i suppose.

No!

@thegoalzone: We understand the two bids for Nathan Redmond are from Norwich and Swansea.

They've accepted two bids and rejected a third. I reckon we should make a bid. At £2 million, or even if we have to pay a bit more, it would a gamble worth taking I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:57:46 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:20:36 PM

Apparantley Small Heath have accepted two bids from Premiership clubs for Nathan Redmond. Could one of them be us bearing in mind we've lost N'Zogbia possibly until the new year? Fits in with Lambert's young player philosophy i suppose.

No!

@thegoalzone: We understand the two bids for Nathan Redmond are from Norwich and Swansea.

They've accepted two bids and rejected a third. I reckon we should make a bid. At £2 million, or even if we have to pay a bit more, it would a gamble worth taking I reckon.

He's not a bad little player actually. He might be good option coming off the bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 08:14:13 PM

I hope we have first option to buy Williams back.  It would be odd if Lambert has seen enough after one senior start to just cut him adrift.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 24, 2013, 08:22:26 PM

I think Williams will have seen Villa buy Okore to go straight into the squad alongside 2 other young centre-backs in Clark and Baker and realised his chances will be few and far between in th next couple of seasons.

I am surprised it's a free transfer though. I'd be amazed if we haven't got a sizeable sell-on fee in the deal though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2013, 08:27:55 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 24, 2013, 08:22:26 PM

I think Williams will have seen Villa buy Okore to go straight into the squad alongside 2 other young centre-backs in Clark and Baker and realised his chances will be few and far between in th next couple of seasons.

I am surprised it's a free transfer though. I'd be amazed if we haven't got a sizeable sell-on fee in the deal though.

Was he still under contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 24, 2013, 08:35:47 PM

I read somewhere Drennan, Burke and Carruthers have been offered new deals and Devine may go to Swindon?  It'll be interesting to see what happens with these 4.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 24, 2013, 09:03:17 PM

Redmond's development potential at Villa would be far greater than at SHA so he might be worth a punt.
A Villa supporting bluenose???
Could be a 'Stefan/Luke Moore' type of player or something better hopefully

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 24, 2013, 09:06:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 24, 2013, 05:57:46 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 24, 2013, 04:20:36 PM

Apparantley Small Heath have accepted two bids from Premiership clubs for Nathan Redmond. Could one of them be us bearing in mind we've lost N'Zogbia possibly until the new year? Fits in with Lambert's young player philosophy i suppose.

No!

@thegoalzone: We understand the two bids for Nathan Redmond are from Norwich and Swansea.

They've accepted two bids and rejected a third. I reckon we should make a bid. At £2 million, or even if we have to pay a bit more, it would a gamble worth taking I reckon.

He's not a bad little player actually. He might be good option coming off the bench.

I think he is a good player with a lot of potential - think having the season with Hughton seemed to do him a lot of good. And if he signed we could finally nail this National Media lie re TSM Bluenose connections. Heskey got no stick because he was a former Bluenose just because he was rubbish - McLeish was even worse

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 24, 2013, 09:18:26 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 24, 2013, 07:44:06 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 24, 2013, 07:00:38 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on June 24, 2013, 06:08:52 PM

OK so I know it wont be popular but I see wolves have listed Henry. Yes I know his reputation but ive always thought he is a better player rhan he is given credit for. To be honest I would rather see him KEA coming on to shore up the midfield and he is 2 years younger than Barry

with all due respect sir, but what recovery step are you on?

Which is the one where you have to cut your toenails with a scythe?

Henry. God No! Worse than Cattermole. Is this the equivalent competition to snog the ugliest bird on holiday? Sign or suggest we sign the most inappropriate player

We already have Delph to kick people.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on June 24, 2013, 09:37:59 PM

Just read that Cardiff seem to have Tom ince in the bag, and are now preparing a bid for Aaron Ramsey.
I quite like mr Ramsey, would arsenal consider selling ?
It would be nice to see him wearing the claret and blue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 09:44:15 PM

Curious that no bigger clubs have gone after Tom Ince. They must see flaws.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 24, 2013, 09:44:25 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 24, 2013, 08:22:26 PM

I think Williams will have seen Villa buy Okore to go straight into the squad alongside 2 other young centre-backs in Clark and Baker and realised his chances will be few and far between in th next couple of seasons.

I am surprised it's a free transfer though. I'd be amazed if we haven't got a sizeable sell-on fee in the deal though.

Surprised at what? He is a free agent, no sell on fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 24, 2013, 09:56:18 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 24, 2013, 09:44:15 PM

Curious that no bigger clubs have gone after Tom Ince. They must see flaws.

Laminated ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:10:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

I think he may become a good impact player out on the wing but he would need to progress quite a bit to become Premier League quality. If the rumours about him being a Villa fan were true it would only make it all the sweeter about nicking him off Small Heath.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 24, 2013, 11:10:25 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

We helped them out with TSM.Its a no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 24, 2013, 11:15:05 PM

Williams was at the end of his contract, was offered a new one but turned it down in favour of finding first team football elsewhere. We'll only get standard compensation/conditions as per the rules for young players.

Shame, he's a good player, but he's approaching 21 and can't afford to play only a handful of minutes a season. He's made the right decision.

I'm surprised that Daniel Johnson didn't do the same. Another very good player in a similar position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 24, 2013, 11:45:32 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on June 24, 2013, 09:37:59 PM

I quite like mr Ramsey, would arsenal consider selling ?
It would be nice to see him wearing the claret and blue.

No thanks. He is another Bentley!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 24, 2013, 11:51:33 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 24, 2013, 08:14:13 PM

I hope we have first option to buy Williams back.  It would be odd if Lambert has seen enough after one senior start to just cut him adrift.

Quote from: RussellC on June 24, 2013, 08:22:26 PM

I am surprised it's a free transfer though. I'd be amazed if we haven't got a sizeable sell-on fee in the deal though.

His contract has expired so he is free to do what he wants and we have no say on buy back option or sell on fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 24, 2013, 11:59:42 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on June 24, 2013, 09:18:26 PM

Henry. God No! Worse than Cattermole. Is this the equivalent competition to snog the ugliest bird on holiday? Sign or suggest we sign the most inappropriate player

We already have Delph to kick people.

At the moment Delph mostly misses people however when he is good he will be tackling like Scholes!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

I don't see the Gareth Barry thing personally.  I think it is more a case of journos hearing that Barry has been told to sling his hook and then putting two and two together and coming up with a vaguely plausible story.  Villa policy has become clear.  Young, talented, driven, and so far, not overly expensive.  But the latter part of that formula  could be about to change.

With their early business done Lambert is now concentrating on moving out those players who do not fit in with his vision. Bent, Ireland, Hutton, Given, and probably one or two reserves will be moved on.  This will release wage space as well as generate extra income.  Given that we have spent only £10 million so far I can see the second phase of transfers involving bigger fees.  I don't think Lambert will go for old pros but will spend what he has to for the right young players.  Villa have some momentum and profile for developing exciting young players now - and people are noticing.

If we want the likes of Benteke to stay and the club to prosper we have to show we mean to improve - we have to start to pull in some higher profile young talent.

Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer - and that was during austerity.  The premier league this season sees a minimum £20million increase in revenue for the club over last year - add that to any sale income and I think we can expect two or three really exciting new faces to join the cause before the window closes.

We won't be fighting with Chelsea and Manchester City for the likes of Neymar or Stevan Jovetic but I think we may well be able to attract some real star talent of our own. Young bucks like Will Hughes or Nathan Redmond would be nice but even better would be players like Christian Eriksen, Dennis Praet, Paul Pogba, Abel Hernandez, Ahmed Musa, Valon Berisha, even Iker Muniain.  Two or three real talents like these and we will have sent a message loud and clear about who we are and where we are going.  Add a little success and the effect becomes self perpetuating.  Ask Alex.

Of course - now I've said this - we'll get a reserve goalie from Mansfield Town and some kid from Swindon.  But half the fun is the dreaming.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:44:12 AM

ffs - went to correct something and ended up quoting myself like a mook - it's all gone a bit Joe Kinnear.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 07:21:40 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

I don't see the Gareth Barry thing personally.  I think it is more a case of journos hearing that Barry has been told to sling his hook and then putting two and two together and coming up with a vaguely plausible story.  Villa policy has become clear.  Young, talented, driven, and so far, not overly expensive.  But the latter part of that formula  could be about to change.

With their early business done Lambert is now concentrating on moving out those players who do not fit in with his vision. Bent, Ireland, Hutton, Given, and probably one or two reserves will be moved on.  This will release wage space as well as generate extra income.  Given that we have spent only £10 million so far I can see the second phase of transfers involving bigger fees.  I don't think Lambert will go for old pros but will spend what he has to for the right young players.  Villa have some momentum and profile for developing exciting young players now - and people are noticing.

If we want the likes of Benteke to stay and the club to prosper we have to show we mean to improve - we have to start to pull in some higher profile young talent.

Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer - and that was during austerity.  The premier league this season sees a minimum £20million increase in revenue for the club over last year - add that to any sale income and I think we can expect two or three really exciting new faces to join the cause before the window closes.

We won't be fighting with Chelsea and Manchester City for the likes of Neymar or Stevan Jovetic but I think we may well be able to attract some real star talent of our own. Young bucks like Will Hughes or Nathan Redmond would be nice but even better would be players like Christian Eriksen, Dennis Praet, Paul Pogba, Abel Hernandez, Ahmed Musa, Valon Berisha, even Iker Muniain.  Two or three real talents like these and we will have sent a message loud and clear about who we are and where we are going.  Add a little success and the effect becomes self perpetuating.  Ask Alex.

Of course - now I've said this - we'll get a reserve goalie from Mansfield Town and some kid from Swindon.  But half the fun is the dreaming.

I actually agree with you on this in a way, and agree on the the money available. I think Lambert and the club have cannily identified 5-6 players that they could get in to the club quickly and cheaply, lets be honest we have spent peanuts and I doubt the wages will have been excessive either, so there will now be a period of getting Ireland, Bent, Given, Hutton and the likes off the wage bill, thus freeing up the funds for 2-3 players more in the Benteke ball park of fees. Like you, I may be proved wrong with a couple of lads from Nuneaton and a star youngster from a 3rd division German side! I don't expect us to change policy and go for someone like Milner that would command huge fees and wages like West Ham might be, but similar but more highly renowned 19-23 years olds with reputations similar to Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 25, 2013, 07:40:13 AM

I don't see it as being our business being done early and that we're done. All we've done is added players that we need for certain positions. They are all potentially good signings but with the same amount, and maybe more, experienced - albeit crap - experienced players also going it leaves us very light on numbers and experience. I think we'll still see another 5 or 6 coming in. We may get one or two more overseas youngsters but I doubt it. We've moved early in the foreign market thanks to our scouting network. I think we'll now deal in the English/British market or for the more established overseas players. That will mean more competition and being in a chain like homebuyers. That is where things slow down and where we'll have to wait until July and mostly likely August to complete our signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 25, 2013, 07:59:03 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

... Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer ...

Was it really that much? Are you including wages in that?

I had it at around £16m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2013, 08:38:48 AM

I largely agree with sonlyme here.  I firmly believe the next step on this is to get another player or 2 where people are surprised he's come to us but who are still in line with our policy.  This is why I like the idea of Belhanda and he's at the lower end of that scale.  Muniain, Eriksen,  Maher, Praets and a few others are the big prospects in europe, snagging one of those would be huge.

For what it's worth I think Okore is close to the same pedigree but you don't get the same buzz around defenders so he's gone under the radar a bit.

If we can get a reputation for finding players in the class of Benteke regularly we'll start to see the agents of these players coming to us and doing the work for us.  They want exposure in the big leagues, doing that as part of an exciting young squad will be appealing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on June 25, 2013, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:10:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

I think he may become a good impact player out on the wing but he would need to progress quite a bit to become Premier League quality. If the rumours about him being a Villa fan were true it would only make it all the sweeter about nicking him off Small Heath.

My mate's a steward down at the sty and reckons he's a bluenose.
Then again Craig Gardener kept his allegiance to them pretty quiet until he signed for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on June 25, 2013, 08:52:44 AM

I think we will have to shift Ireland and Bent off the books before anyone else come in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2013, 09:23:43 AM

Quote from: nigel on June 25, 2013, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:10:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

I think he may become a good impact player out on the wing but he would need to progress quite a bit to become Premier League quality. If the rumours about him being a Villa fan were true it would only make it all the sweeter about nicking him off Small Heath.

My mate's a steward down at the sty and reckons he's a bluenose.
Then again Craig Gardener kept his allegiance to them pretty quiet until he signed for them.

Ian Taylor is a very close family friend of redmonds dad and taylor confirmed hes villa through and through, it was over a year ago and on twitter but it was the real ian taylor so yes redmond is a villa fan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 25, 2013, 09:56:59 AM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2013, 09:23:43 AM

Quote from: nigel on June 25, 2013, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:10:13 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 24, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: ClaretAndBlueSheep on June 24, 2013, 11:00:51 PM

Definitely wouldn't say no to Nathan Redmond at a couple of million quid, fits in with Lamberts philosophy and would finally be an English signing for this season.

I don't think I can really decide if he'd be a good signing, because I can't trust myself to be honest about how much the fact it'd piss that lot off is affecting my judgment.

I think he may become a good impact player out on the wing but he would need to progress quite a bit to become Premier League quality. If the rumours about him being a Villa fan were true it would only make it all the sweeter about nicking him off Small Heath.

My mate's a steward down at the sty and reckons he's a bluenose.
Then again Craig Gardener kept his allegiance to them pretty quiet until he signed for them.

Ian Taylor is a very close family friend of redmonds dad and taylor confirmed hes villa through and through, it was over a year ago and on twitter but it was the real ian taylor so yes redmond is a villa fan

My kids are his cousins and can confirm he's Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 25, 2013, 10:04:47 AM

you can understand him keeping it under his hat but expect the second he leave to be screaming it from the roof tops

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 25, 2013, 10:36:03 AM

I see The Scum is suggesting that we're looking at M'Bia.  They might have just as well printed "Look Wimbledon is on, frankly we don't have the time or the reporters for this shit...."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 11:05:23 AM

I would love Redmond at the fee being touted. Proper get people off their seat type of player. Shame if not in for him as he would fit well here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2013, 11:06:26 AM

M'Bia is a mercenary and not very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 11:07:16 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 11:05:23 AM

I would love Redmond at the fee being touted. Proper get people off their seat type of player. Shame if not in for him as he would fit well here.

Not seen enough of him ozz, is he more of a tony Daley type than a mark Walters kind then ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: Mister E on June 25, 2013, 07:59:03 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

... Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer ...

Was it really that much? Are you including wages in that?

I had it at around £16m.

We all have to work off numbers the media give us - and they tend to be best guesses - often devoid of agent fees etc.  I got my info from someone connected to the club (albeit not in the finance department) but the best breakdown of spending I have found was here - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html)

And this is Villa's summer spend last season.

(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/Son_Lyme/www_transferleague_co_uk_premiership-transfers_aston-villa-transfers_htmlAstonVillatransfersIPremiershipTransfers2012_zps7b1b9fc9.jpg)   

So nearer the £27 million total spend that I was told.

But the main point I'm trying to make is that with extra income from the PL this season - and the boost of shifting the highly paid likes of Bent and Ireland - we can expect some more signings. Because even if we go with last seasons spend - we still got roughly £17miilion to go.  I think we will spend a little more this time.   I think the targets will be real quality with larger fees - but that is just my opinion.  Or should I say, my wish.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 11:37:44 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: Mister E on June 25, 2013, 07:59:03 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

... Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer ...

Was it really that much? Are you including wages in that?

I had it at around £16m.

We all have to work off numbers the media give us - and they tend to be best guesses - often devoid of agent fees etc.  I got my info from someone connected to the club (albeit not in the finance department) but the best breakdown of spending I have found was here - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html)

And this is Villa's summer spend last season.

(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/Son_Lyme/www_transferleague_co_uk_premiership-transfers_aston-villa-transfers_htmlAstonVillatransfersIPremiershipTransfers2012_zps7b1b9fc9.jpg)   

So nearer the £27 million total spend that I was told.

But the main point I'm trying to make is that with extra income from the PL this season - and the boost of shifting the highly paid likes of Bent and Ireland - we can expect some more signings. Because even if we go with last seasons spend - we still got roughly £17miilion to go.  I think we will spend a little more this time.   I think the targets will be real quality with larger fees - but that is just my opinion.  Or should I say, my wish.

Cheers.

Wpuldnt take too much notice of the media there - i heard lambert saying on talksport that Lowton had cost £1m.

Also benteke would have been nearer £7m than the £10m you have on that chart.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2013, 11:38:14 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: Mister E on June 25, 2013, 07:59:03 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 25, 2013, 01:43:06 AM

... Lerner gave Lambert £27million last summer ...

Was it really that much? Are you including wages in that?

I had it at around £16m.

We all have to work off numbers the media give us - and they tend to be best guesses - often devoid of agent fees etc.  I got my info from someone connected to the club (albeit not in the finance department) but the best breakdown of spending I have found was here - http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html)

And this is Villa's summer spend last season.

(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/Son_Lyme/www_transferleague_co_uk_premiership-transfers_aston-villa-transfers_htmlAstonVillatransfersIPremiershipTransfers2012_zps7b1b9fc9.jpg)   

So nearer the £27 million total spend that I was told.

But the main point I'm trying to make is that with extra income from the PL this season - and the boost of shifting the highly paid likes of Bent and Ireland - we can expect some more signings. Because even if we go with last seasons spend - we still got roughly £17miilion to go.  I think we will spend a little more this time.   I think the targets will be real quality with larger fees - but that is just my opinion.  Or should I say, my wish.

Cheers.

Some of those fees paid have been debated though. I think Lambert himself said that we paid a lot less for Lowton and Bennett than was reported. I think Lowts was more like a million than 3. Benteke didnt cost 10 million either. I think it was 7.8 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 25, 2013, 11:40:58 AM

Benteke was widely reported at £7m and Lowton was said to be only £1m.  I think most of our deals for these young players carry add ons, so I think £25.7m is probably the top end of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2013, 11:41:01 AM

I fancy this summer we'll have one push the boat out signing, like Benteke last year. Whether that's Belhanda remains to be seen. Someone with the ability to do something special in a game would be good, particularly in those games where Tekkers is quiet, or he's injured say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2013, 11:55:26 AM

Of the two figures discussed, it's probably the case that the actual figure will be somewhere between the 16m and the 27m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2013, 12:08:14 PM

Westwood was less than a million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 12:11:11 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2013, 12:08:14 PM

Westwood was less than a million.

Surely at that price Crewe must have insisted on add-ons , do you think dave?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 25, 2013, 12:12:57 PM

Please not Mbia. At QPR last season he tried to get a Villa player sent off by feigning injury. He has constantly been subbed by QPR for being idle or useless.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 25, 2013, 12:13:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 25, 2013, 12:11:11 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2013, 12:08:14 PM

Westwood was less than a million.

Surely at that price Crewe must have insisted on add-ons , do you think dave?

An add-on like Murphy would be good!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 25, 2013, 12:24:30 PM

we're obviously not after Murphy or Belhandra

by my logic anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Both appear to be off elsewhere, so that logic appears fairly sound. Although were I Murphy, I would hold out for better than Wolves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2013, 12:39:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Both appear to be off elsewhere, so that logic appears fairly sound. Although were I Murphy, I would hold out for better than Wolves.

Who has Belhanda been linked with?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2013, 12:53:23 PM

Al-Jazeera Club in Abu Dhabi apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2013, 12:53:23 PM

Al-Jazeera Club in Abu Dhabi apparently.

By al-jazeera or by his chairman?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 25, 2013, 01:07:39 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 25, 2013, 12:53:23 PM

Al-Jazeera Club in Abu Dhabi apparently.

If that's the case we don't want to touch him. The only good reason for going there is money, which is stupid at his age/career stage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 01:21:22 PM

It is not certain he is off there yet, but they have had an offer accepted I think. He has said he wants to come to England, but I guess if his club accept an offer and tell him they want him out there is little option there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2013, 02:54:49 PM

Wouldn't go anywhere near any of QPR's players with a barge pole.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 25, 2013, 03:27:03 PM

Ireland would be a good fit for QPR?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on June 25, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

I can't recall Mbia at all. There appear to be a fee rumours about Villa sniffing around him.

Paul Lambert only wants committed players, so we shall see I guess. The stale stench of QPR hopefully will have left him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

It smells of a club and an agent trying to get their player/client a move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 25, 2013, 04:06:49 PM

Links in recent days to Diame, Barry and M'Bia, and earlier in the summer to Murphy, all defensive midfielders, I wonder if one is on our radar.  Belhanda seems to have been ruled out and we seem pretty well stocked elsewhere now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 04:37:31 PM

@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert has added three new coaches Scott Marshall, Michael Watts and Chris Lorkin to his #avfc backroom team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 04:38:23 PM

Paul Lambert makes three key additions.


Paul Lambert has appointed Scott Marshall as first team coach ahead of the Villa players' return for pre-season training next week.

With Michael Watts also joining the backroom staff as strength and conditioning coach, along with assistant Chris Lorkin, the Villa manager believes the enhancement to the team around him will be significant going into the new season.

I've put a detailed post on them in seperate thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 25, 2013, 04:38:54 PM

Lets's hope Scotty boy, Watt-Watt and Lorko add some quality to the coaching.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2013, 05:44:17 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 25, 2013, 03:27:03 PM

Ireland would be a good fit for QPR?

Oh god I hope so. Troubled Mercenaries FC as they're now known.
I think there's probably 2-3 clubs who may take the punt on him if they can get him to lower his wages and don't have to pay a fee. I'd hope he'll be gone in the next couple of months. Would be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on June 25, 2013, 05:52:33 PM

Anyone heard anything about Hitzlesperger re-signing for Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 05:55:34 PM

Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on June 25, 2013, 05:52:33 PM

Anyone heard anything about Hitzlesperger re-signing for Villa?

I hope not. He's played about 20 matches in 3 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 25, 2013, 05:59:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 05:55:34 PM

Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on June 25, 2013, 05:52:33 PM

Anyone heard anything about Hitzlesperger re-signing for Villa?

I hope not. He's played about 20 matches in 3 years.

Jesus. He was too slow to play CM for us years ago. I got tired of watching opponents coasting through the centre with 'Der Hammer' labouring yards behind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2013, 06:43:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Both appear to be off elsewhere, so that logic appears fairly sound. Although were I Murphy, I would hold out for better than Wolves.

I don't know anything about this Luke Murphy at all other than he was apparantley superb in League One last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 06:45:26 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 25, 2013, 06:43:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 25, 2013, 12:33:24 PM

Both appear to be off elsewhere, so that logic appears fairly sound. Although were I Murphy, I would hold out for better than Wolves.

I don't know anything about this Luke Murphy at all other than he was apparantley superb in League One last season.

Got a decent shot on him which is always useful , I think if we going to move for him we would have matched wolves bid by now though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2013, 06:46:16 PM

He was available on a free when he signed for West Ham and Everton and we didn't try to get him. He didn't make it at either club and I can't see why we would consider him at all now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 06:47:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2013, 06:46:16 PM

He was available on a free when he signed for West Ham and Everton and we didn't try to get him. He didn't make it at either club and I can't see why we would consider him at all now.

Hitzlsperger is not good enough , cant see us being interested .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on June 25, 2013, 07:01:14 PM

I agree and I also wouldn't consider him, just a rumour I heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 25, 2013, 07:55:08 PM

Thought I'd watch the 2020 cricket for a bit. Think I'll stop already. England, you're supposed to stop NZ hitting fours and sixes...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 25, 2013, 07:59:40 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 25, 2013, 07:55:08 PM

Thought I'd watch the 2020 cricket for a bit. Think I'll stop already. England, you're supposed to stop NZ hitting fours and sixes...

Indeed, a sorry state of affairs - i dread the state i will find pwa in when I arrive on the cricket thread :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2013, 08:04:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 25, 2013, 07:59:40 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 25, 2013, 07:55:08 PM

Thought I'd watch the 2020 cricket for a bit. Think I'll stop already. England, you're supposed to stop NZ hitting fours and sixes...

Indeed, a sorry state of affairs - i dread the state i will find pwa in when I arrive on the cricket thread :(

A disgruntled state.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:39:27 PM

The summer transfer window officiallly opens on 1st July perhaps we can expect the selling of Bent and others next week. The players that were not to get a fee have already left. I am upset Williams was dismissed and never given chance to shine as he has been loyal and patient- for me that is the problem in bringing in these over sea rising stars...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 25, 2013, 09:40:34 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:39:27 PM

I am upset Williams was dismissed and never given chance to shine as he has been loyal and patient- for me that is the problem in bringing in these over sea rising stars...

So you'd have played Williams last season then, when we were in the midst of a relegation fight?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:44:22 PM

Nooo okay prob not !! i mean this season and up coming bit of game time ! why not ? show us what he can do .. now he goes all the way down the leagues. same with James Collins he scores for fun lower leagues maybe we could have kept him on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 09:45:39 PM

How did we dismiss him when we offered him a new contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 25, 2013, 09:47:08 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:44:22 PM

Nooo okay prob not !! i mean this season and up coming bit of game time ! why not ? show us what he can do .. now he goes all the way down the leagues. same with James Collins he scores for fun lower leagues maybe we could have kept him on

He decided to leave, that's why not.  We offered him another contract, and he said no thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:54:53 PM

Well its annoying when that happens  I mean Elliott Parish he was really promising now at Cardiff could be GK back up if he stayed but maybe he could come back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:56:58 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 09:45:39 PM

How did we dismiss him when we offered him a new contract?

Maybe i chose wrong word but he was nt given assurance he would be a player in the squad or team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 09:59:46 PM

Well I respect him for it. He is out of his comfort zone and will find out for himself whether he is good enough to make it.

Good luck to him, I hope he does well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 25, 2013, 10:02:38 PM

Maybe because he had the likes of Vlaar, Baker, Clark and Okore in front of him. Apparently he decided he needed regular first team football and has left with a lot of dignity. Fair play to Williams and hope he goes on to have a good future

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2013, 10:05:22 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:39:27 PM

The summer transfer window officiallly opens on 1st July perhaps we can expect the selling of Bent and others next week. The players that were not to get a fee have already left. I am upset Williams was dismissed and never given chance to shine as he has been loyal and patient- for me that is the problem in bringing in these over sea rising stars...

They steal our women as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:07:17 PM

Im in agreement fair play that he wants 1 st team action and to play the footy just a shame he not at Villa. There are quite a few ahead of him in that respect of central defence but he can be the new richard dunne so good luck to williams!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:07:48 PM

Villa kicks, has anyone ever told you, you're as mad as a pint of cake?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on June 25, 2013, 10:09:12 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:07:17 PM

but he can be the new richard dunne!

Dodged a bullet there then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:11:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 25, 2013, 10:05:22 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 09:39:27 PM

The summer transfer window officiallly opens on 1st July perhaps we can expect the selling of Bent and others next week. The players that were not to get a fee have already left. I am upset Williams was dismissed and never given chance to shine as he has been loyal and patient- for me that is the problem in bringing in these over sea rising stars...

They steal our women as well.

Very goood. very good.
But let us say let them as we can enjoy the danish, dutch, bulgar or spainy women?  that they bring over when they are training their wives gf moms and sisters ... !

actually would you get with a players gf or wife or is that like being inside your chicks mates what are the rules with this??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:13:06 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:07:48 PM

Villa kicks, has anyone ever told you, you're as mad as a pint of cake?

That is a grossly inaccurate statement.

He is, as I am sure you are aware, as normal as a bottle of crisps.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 10:14:02 PM

I want a Spainy woman. I have no idea what one is, which is why I want one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:16:13 PM

I prefer them portugally, or scotlandy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:17:32 PM

I've always preferred Bulgars to Spainy women. The rainy in spainy, mainly falls on the plainy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:20:38 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:13:06 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:07:48 PM

Villa kicks, has anyone ever told you, you're as mad as a pint of cake?

That is a grossly inaccurate statement.

He is, as I am sure you are aware, as normal as a bottle of crisps.

No, of course.

Only joking villa kicks, you're no more strange than a box of cocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

Well i do have a personality disorder. But thats okay i take your comments in jest.
if you want to know more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder. So i hear all the mental jokes its fine. Blame my folks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 25, 2013, 10:25:15 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

Well i do have a personality disorder. But thats okay i take your comments in jest.
if you want to know more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder. So i hear all the mental jokes its fine. Blame my folks.

Ahh, so us mocking you is preferable to us ignoring you?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:26:41 PM

Yes !! but i just want to be part of the villa fan thing i never ever mean to cause annoyance !! i m just misunderstood !! but open ! anyways back to the football!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:28:06 PM

Er.... I hope we sign somebody good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:31:45 PM

Brad Jones as back up GK ?? Mingnolet at liverpool with Reina time for Jones to move on to our bench ! he also looks like sherminator from american pie franchise

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2013, 10:35:12 PM

Why can't we just play rush goalie if Brad can't play?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:36:24 PM

I think we should sign Guzan again. He gets better every time

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Bloody hell villa kicks! Why can't you just let me slag you off without feeling bad. Selfish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 25, 2013, 10:42:34 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Bloody hell villa kicks! Why can't you just let me slag you off without feeling bad. Selfish.

Don't feel bad, you're doing VK's fragile self a service.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 25, 2013, 10:44:55 PM

I think we should sign joaquin Phoenix because he looks like vito mannone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:48:15 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 25, 2013, 10:42:34 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 25, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Bloody hell villa kicks! Why can't you just let me slag you off without feeling bad. Selfish.

Don't feel bad

I never thought of it like that.

Villa kicks, you're off your tits.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:51:31 PM

Ian Brady reckons he has a personality disorder.

Mind you, he also claims to have been on hunger strike since 1999, despite making himself toast for breakfast every morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2013, 11:50:34 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:51:31 PM

Ian Brady reckons he has a personality disorder.

Mind you, he also claims to have been on hunger strike since 1999, despite making himself toast for breakfast every morning.

I must admit, when i saw the court drawing of him on the news tonight, I thought he looked pretty well fed for one spurning food.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 11:53:05 PM

There was a moment the other day where he sat back and you could see his shirt stretched across his middle. I swear he had a little bit of a gut.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 26, 2013, 12:04:03 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2013, 10:14:02 PM

I want a Spainy woman. I have no idea what one is, which is why I want one.

Don't do it, PWS. I went with a Spainy woman and ended up with strainy scroty aka testicular torsion.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2013, 12:11:14 AM

Just imagine if he had 10 stoney testies. 

Messy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 26, 2013, 12:12:51 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:26:41 PM

Yes !! but i just want to be part of the villa fan thing i never ever mean to cause annoyance !! i m just misunderstood !! but open ! anyways back to the football!!

I have to say VK, at first I just thought...well, I didn't know what to think.  But your honesty has endeared me to you.  Saying that I won't be able to resist mocking some of the things you post...but it'll be meant in a friendly way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 26, 2013, 12:14:42 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:51:31 PM

Ian Brady reckons he has a personality disorder.

Mind you, he also claims to have been on hunger strike since 1999, despite making himself toast for breakfast every morning.

I liked the bit where he'd claimed to have used method acting skills to get himself classed as insane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 12:17:22 AM

There are mad people who pretend to be sane. There are sane people who pretend to be mad.

Ian Brady is a mad person pretending to be mad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 26, 2013, 12:32:29 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2013, 10:35:12 PM

Why can't we just play rush goalie if Brad can't play?

Careful. Lambert may be reading this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on June 26, 2013, 01:16:07 AM

I like you Villakicks, you bring out the childish banter in everyone...makes me chuckle out a little wee reading your stuff.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on June 26, 2013, 07:26:12 AM

James Nursey reckons when Bent & Ireland are out of the door, we'll be after a 'number 10' type player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 26, 2013, 08:04:29 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on June 26, 2013, 01:16:07 AM

I like you Villakicks.....

That is why I'll kill you last.  8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 08:28:49 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 10:51:31 PM

Ian Brady reckons he has a personality disorder.

Mind you, he also claims to have been on hunger strike since 1999, despite making himself toast for breakfast every morning.

If you add to that the fact that he talks to himself, do you think after eating the toast he shouts "scab!" at himself?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 26, 2013, 09:21:58 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 25, 2013, 10:22:31 PM

Well i do have a personality disorder. But thats okay i take your comments in jest.
if you want to know more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder. So i hear all the mental jokes its fine. Blame my folks.

Sounds like the medical description of a teenager to me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 26, 2013, 10:33:59 AM

I noticed last night someone asked Kendrick if more were coming in and he said yes but some will need to be sold first

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 10:40:31 AM

Yeah lets get back to transfer spec it is my most fave thread. I have to applaud the awareness of people on here of me being a bit different as i thought a least on screen i wouldnt sound so random crazy. I do type how i speak .. Like very fast ! Right lets hope there s some villa  signings or out goings today ! But kendrick doesn't get much rite i thought people said ? He keeps it vague? Anyone for tennis!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 10:51:40 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 10:40:31 AM

Yeah lets get back to transfer spec it is my most fave thread. I have to applaud the awareness of people on here of me being a bit different as i thought a least on screen i wouldnt sound so random crazy. I do type how i speak .. Like very fast ! Right lets hope there s some villa  signings or out goings today ! But kendrick doesn't get much rite i thought people said ? He keeps it vague? Anyone for tennis!

Villa kicks - you provide the much needed sunshine on a cloudy day - you have character and i am glad you are one of us mate!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 26, 2013, 12:36:40 PM

I had a dream that we signed a keeper from Lech Poznan (Tonev's former club) to be Guzan's number two. I didn't know the name of the keeper, just that we got him from Tonev's old club.

You heard it here first. If it does happen to come true, I'll start trying to dream of Lionel Messi in a Villa shirt.

Said keeper would be Bosnian, Jasmin Buric.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2013, 12:50:28 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on June 26, 2013, 07:26:12 AM

James Nursey reckons when Bent & Ireland are out of the door, we'll be after a 'number 10' type player.

I reckon Helenius and Benteke will be a great combination next season.  Nik to cause all sorts of problems specially with high balls and Christian fills his boot on the chaos created.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 26, 2013, 01:01:49 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

As long as their eye is looking through a snipers lens with the finger primed on the trigger I don't mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 26, 2013, 01:06:35 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

Which comedian wrote that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2013, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 11:53:05 PM

There was a moment the other day where he sat back and you could see his shirt stretched across his middle. I swear he had a little bit of a gut.

If I were a court artist I'd do a sketch of him with food on his chin, tucking into a KFC bucket.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 26, 2013, 01:12:46 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

Hopefully the London eye.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 26, 2013, 01:38:43 PM

Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 26, 2013, 01:06:35 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

Which comedian wrote that?

John Bishop?  Wishful thinking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 01:40:12 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

Poppycock!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2013, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

The only thing I'd like to run over Downing is a lorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2013, 01:42:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2013, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

The only thing I'd like to run over Downing is a lorry.

His lack of a spine would see him melt to the tarmac and lie flat as you travelled over his rodent like body.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2013, 01:47:38 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on June 26, 2013, 07:26:12 AM

James Nursey reckons when Bent & Ireland are out of the door, we'll be after a 'number 10' type player.

A number 2 would be an improvement on Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on June 26, 2013, 01:48:32 PM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2013, 01:47:38 PM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on June 26, 2013, 07:26:12 AM

James Nursey reckons when Bent & Ireland are out of the door, we'll be after a 'number 10' type player.

A number 2 would be an improvement on Ireland.

Doing a number two would be more effective than Ireland

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 02:13:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 26, 2013, 12:36:40 PM

I had a dream that we signed a keeper from Lech Poznan (Tonev's former club) to be Guzan's number two. I didn't know the name of the keeper, just that we got him from Tonev's old club.

You heard it here first. If it does happen to come true, I'll start trying to dream of Lionel Messi in a Villa shirt.

Said keeper would be Bosnian, Jasmin Buric.

You have just reminded me that I had a dream last night. I had to go to hospital to get some test results. The girl on the reception was a girl I used to go to school with. I haven't seen her or heard anything about her since I left school twenty six years ago, I didn't have anything to do with her at school, I didn't have a thing for her and there was absolutely no logical reason she should appear in my dream. That's all I remember. I didn't even get my test results, let alone ITK tips about Villa signings off her.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 26, 2013, 02:16:32 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 02:13:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 26, 2013, 12:36:40 PM

I had a dream that we signed a keeper from Lech Poznan (Tonev's former club) to be Guzan's number two. I didn't know the name of the keeper, just that we got him from Tonev's old club.

You heard it here first. If it does happen to come true, I'll start trying to dream of Lionel Messi in a Villa shirt.

Said keeper would be Bosnian, Jasmin Buric.

You have just reminded me that I had a dream last night. I had to go to hospital to get some test results. The girl on the reception was a girl I used to go to school with. I haven't seen her or heard anything about her since I left school twenty six years ago, I didn't have anything to do with her at school, I didn't have a thing for her and there was absolutely no logical reason she should appear in my dream. That's all I remember. I didn't even get my test results, let alone ITK tips about Villa signings off her.

You cannot dream of strangers only people you have met or seen, Maybe just a coincidence

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 02:47:48 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2013, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 11:53:05 PM

There was a moment the other day where he sat back and you could see his shirt stretched across his middle. I swear he had a little bit of a gut.

If I were a court artist I'd do a sketch of him with food on his chin, tucking into a KFC bucket.

You can't be worse than our court artist, she is absolutely shit

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2013, 02:50:32 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2013, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 11:53:05 PM

There was a moment the other day where he sat back and you could see his shirt stretched across his middle. I swear he had a little bit of a gut.

If I were a court artist I'd do a sketch of him with food on his chin, tucking into a KFC bucket.

This did make me chuckle, very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 03:08:01 PM

Transfer activity should start in earnest next week when teams return for training - lets hope for departures of the right kind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 03:30:52 PM

Now is probably a good time to stop reading this thread then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 26, 2013, 03:43:17 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 26, 2013, 01:42:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2013, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

The only thing I'd like to run over Downing is a lorry.

His lack of a spine would see him melt to the tarmac and lie flat as you travelled over his rodent like body.

I beg your pardon?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 04:02:53 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 26, 2013, 02:16:32 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 02:13:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 26, 2013, 12:36:40 PM

I had a dream that we signed a keeper from Lech Poznan (Tonev's former club) to be Guzan's number two. I didn't know the name of the keeper, just that we got him from Tonev's old club.

You heard it here first. If it does happen to come true, I'll start trying to dream of Lionel Messi in a Villa shirt.

Said keeper would be Bosnian, Jasmin Buric.

You have just reminded me that I had a dream last night. I had to go to hospital to get some test results. The girl on the reception was a girl I used to go to school with. I haven't seen her or heard anything about her since I left school twenty six years ago, I didn't have anything to do with her at school, I didn't have a thing for her and there was absolutely no logical reason she should appear in my dream. That's all I remember. I didn't even get my test results, let alone ITK tips about Villa signings off her.

You cannot dream of strangers only people you have met or seen, Maybe just a coincidence

I never knew that. Same as I never knew SGT wouldn't have a cover on the Watford bench while there was an uncovered terrace until dave woodhall posted on the Villa memories thread earlier. I love learning little nuggets of information like those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2013, 04:12:22 PM

"He will also add Norwich City goalkeeper Jed Steer, 20, who becomes a free agent on July 1, to a firmament of four including Brad Guzan, Shay Given and Benji Siegrist."

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3220876,00.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 04:12:31 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

More good news

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 04:13:17 PM

I reckon maybe a versatile defender who can play right back and perhaps another midfielder and that could be it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2013, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

Sounds like Given's departure is close then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 04:30:48 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 26, 2013, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

Sounds like Given's departure is close then.

You can take it as a given, clampy :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on June 26, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 26, 2013, 03:43:17 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 26, 2013, 01:42:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2013, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: not3bad on June 26, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

"Aston Villa run eye over Liverpool FC’s Downing"

The only thing I'd like to run over Downing is a lorry.

His lack of a spine would see him melt to the tarmac and lie flat as you travelled over his rodent like body.

I beg your pardon?

Put your clogs on and get back in the windmill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on June 26, 2013, 05:13:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 26, 2013, 04:30:48 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 26, 2013, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

Sounds like Given's departure is close then.

You can take it as a given, clampy :D

so we can take it as Given that Given's a gonner

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on June 26, 2013, 05:41:45 PM

Quote from: Colhint on June 26, 2013, 05:13:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 26, 2013, 04:30:48 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 26, 2013, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on June 26, 2013, 04:07:34 PM

Jed Steer joining from Norwich on 1st July

Sounds like Given's departure is close then.

You can take it as a given, clampy :D

so we can take it as Given that Given's a gonner

No, only If Given was gone was a given.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 26, 2013, 05:42:57 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

They would be two positions I'd expect - as cover for Lowton and maybe a high profile signing in midfield costing a few million?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on June 26, 2013, 05:53:13 PM

Good news about Jed for backup to Brad.  Not sure the names will catch on in Birmingham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 26, 2013, 06:41:55 PM

I'm going to call him "Jedi", like the characters out of the film "Steer Wars".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 26, 2013, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

Bacuna not for Ireland, then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 06:46:35 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

Yes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 26, 2013, 06:54:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 02:47:48 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 26, 2013, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 25, 2013, 11:53:05 PM

There was a moment the other day where he sat back and you could see his shirt stretched across his middle. I swear he had a little bit of a gut.

If I were a court artist I'd do a sketch of him with food on his chin, tucking into a KFC bucket.

You can't be worse than our court artist, she is absolutely shit

(http://smail4u.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/3757414-house-kids-art-child-s-drawing-with-crayons.jpeg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 26, 2013, 07:58:58 PM

16 league games and 2 cups games for Yeovil/Cambridge and 2 cup game for Norwich. (4 games last season for Cambridge with 2 clean sheet) Doesn't sound amazing, but Paul Lambert and his goalkeeping coach would know what he is like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:04:13 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Nah, compared to some on here I'm a right miserable bastard :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2013, 08:05:44 PM

Toronto is happy because The Sun Always Shines on TV.

*I'll get me coat*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:06:35 PM

You've changed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:14:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2013, 08:05:44 PM

Toronto is happy because The Sun Always Shines on TV.

*I'll get me coat*

sad...

Speaking of which it's been bleeding hot here the last week or so. In the high 30's again today

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:14:46 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:06:35 PM

You've changed.

beaten down my brother. Although I feel good times are only around the corner

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:24:36 PM

I just locked myself in a dark cupboard and furiously masturbated during TSM's era. The upside is I didnt see any of his anti-football, the downside is my right hand now resembles a velociraptor's claw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2013, 08:25:26 PM

I never found him that attractive to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:27:45 PM

Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2013, 08:25:26 PM

I never found him that attractive to be honest.

Me neither. I just really, really like masturbating.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 26, 2013, 08:28:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:04:13 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Nah, compared to some on here I'm a right miserable bastard :)

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:04:13 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Nah, compared to some on here I'm a right miserable bastard :)

Apparently highly thought of at Norwich , they must sick at loosing him as an out of Contract Player , big lad 6'.2" and a Captain too ! . Coincidentally , it seems all our recent signings are over the 6 " mark , although not sure about Tonev....................Godzvilla!

Norwich City youngster Jed Steer hailed by coach

Norwich City academy boss Ricky Martin has labelled Jed Steer as the country's top under-18 goalkeeper.
Steer, 18, pulled off a last minute penalty save to secure a 1-0 win in Tuesday's FA Youth Cup third round clash with Charlton Athletic.
"He's probably the best under-18 goalkeeper in the country," Martin told BBC Radio Norfolk.
"If ever you wanted somebody in goal Jed's the one and he stepped up and made a fantastic save."
Steer, who turned 18 in September, made his debut for the England Under-19s in October, making the leap straight from the U17s.
The Canaries will now be in the hat for the fourth round draw in the new year after 17-year-old midfielder Matt Ball's 51st minute strike was enough to see off the Addicks at Carrow Road.
"Matt's been involved in the first team squad recently, he was captain on the night and played well," Martin added.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 26, 2013, 08:34:26 PM

Will the club be organising its own 'freshers week' what with so many young lads turning up in the next week or so?

What sort of activities should we be planning for them?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2013, 08:37:51 PM

Quote from: oldtimernow on June 26, 2013, 08:34:26 PM

Will the club be organising its own 'freshers week' what with so many young lads turning up in the next week or so?

What sort of activities should we be planning for them?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 26, 2013, 08:46:58 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 26, 2013, 08:05:44 PM

Toronto is happy because The Sun Always Shines on TV.

*I'll get me coat*

great song though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 26, 2013, 09:23:19 PM

Jed Steer has signed on the dotted line. Welcome Jed. Welcome to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 09:36:18 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 26, 2013, 08:28:49 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:04:13 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Nah, compared to some on here I'm a right miserable bastard :)

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 08:04:13 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 26, 2013, 08:01:47 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2013, 07:00:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 26, 2013, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 26, 2013, 06:06:50 PM

I gonna call him Jedsteer! Or jedster! Its amazing news ! Feel a bit more relaxed about things as we have a back up GK now and signings ! This was my wish as well as GK British player has chance ! Plus thanks for understanding comments from people really been a great day ! Woooo ! Villa fans and the club are the best around !   

You've obviously seen our Jedster play then, VK; since you seem so enthused by his arrival.
What is it that marks him out as a great player, in your opinion? - 'cos I have not seen him personally.

He's 20 and played a handful of games as a pro mostly on loan in the lower leagues and a number of games at England U16-19 levels. How is this amazing news again? Potential? I'm sure. Amazing? Hardly

He did state the reasons he personally felt it was amazing. Young, British and a goalkeeper. Leave him alone, you don't have a monopoly on thinking everything is great TV. ;)

Nah, compared to some on here I'm a right miserable bastard :)

Apparently highly thought of at Norwich , they must sick at loosing him as an out of Contract Player , big lad 6'.2" and a Captain too ! . Coincidentally , it seems all our recent signings are over the 6 " mark , although not sure about Tonev....................Godzvilla!

Norwich City youngster Jed Steer hailed by coach

Norwich City academy boss Ricky Martin has labelled Jed Steer as the country's top under-18 goalkeeper.
Steer, 18, pulled off a last minute penalty save to secure a 1-0 win in Tuesday's FA Youth Cup third round clash with Charlton Athletic.
"He's probably the best under-18 goalkeeper in the country," Martin told BBC Radio Norfolk.
"If ever you wanted somebody in goal Jed's the one and he stepped up and made a fantastic save."
Steer, who turned 18 in September, made his debut for the England Under-19s in October, making the leap straight from the U17s.
The Canaries will now be in the hat for the fourth round draw in the new year after 17-year-old midfielder Matt Ball's 51st minute strike was enough to see off the Addicks at Carrow Road.
"Matt's been involved in the first team squad recently, he was captain on the night and played well," Martin added.

I have just read the rest of the interview with the Norwich academy boss and I'm a bit confused. Apparently our new goalkeeper's lips are devil red and his skin is the colour mocha. He never drinks water and will make us order French champagne and go insane. However, he will take away our pain like a bullet to the brain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 26, 2013, 09:49:57 PM

[/quote]

I have just read the rest of the interview with the Norwich academy boss and I'm a bit confused. Apparently our new goalkeeper's lips are devil red and his skin is the colour mocha. He never drinks water and will make us order French champagne and go insane. However, he will take away our pain like a bullet to the brain.
[/quote]

I bet you didn't even have to google those lyrics.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Many French Champagne producers such as Moet Chandon produce Champagne in Argentina, where they are allowed to call it Champagne.

Not a lot of people know that. (Unless you are an Argie of course.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 26, 2013, 11:01:27 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Many French Champagne producers such as Moet Chandon produce Champagne in Argentina, where they are allowed to call it Champagne.

Not a lot of people know that. (Unless you are an Argie of course.)

If memory serves, it's called Chandon. All the big French champagne producer are operting in Argentina. I guess the land price is cheaper than Kent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 11:05:43 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 26, 2013, 11:01:27 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Many French Champagne producers such as Moet Chandon produce Champagne in Argentina, where they are allowed to call it Champagne.

Not a lot of people know that. (Unless you are an Argie of course.)

If memory serves, it's called Chandon. All the big French champagne producer are operting in Argentina. I guess the land price is cheaper than Kent.

Yes, you're right, they do brand it Chandon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2013, 11:17:19 PM

"If ever you wanted somebody in goal" sounds like a really daft thing for any coach to say.

On another note, just noticed that Gary Gardner has tweeted Jed saying something along the lines of "see you on Monday mate!". Wonder if they've played together at England youth-level or somewhere?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 26, 2013, 11:27:52 PM

Both played in the same euro championship under 17 team in 09 i think. Wilshire and Shelvey were in that team too

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 26, 2013, 11:33:33 PM

The Americans make various white wines that they call 'champagne', but it's pisswasser. Hence the reference to French - i.e. real - champagne.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 11:42:34 PM

Woooooo! Villa fans are the best! Welcome to the Villa Jed! Your name may be stupid but you are one of us now!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 11:43:06 PM

I'm sorry, I'm not well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 26, 2013, 11:56:47 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 26, 2013, 09:49:57 PM

I have just read the rest of the interview with the Norwich academy boss and I'm a bit confused. Apparently our new goalkeeper's lips are devil red and his skin is the colour mocha. He never drinks water and will make us order French champagne and go insane. However, he will take away our pain like a bullet to the brain.
[/quote]

I bet you didn't even have to google those lyrics.
[/quote]I did google those lyrics. I am not sure what is more sad, knowing them off by heart or googling them for an 'off the cuff' joke. My only excuse is that I am housebound for a few days with a back injury. Please don't vote me for the coveted PWS 'I'll get my coat' award.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2013, 12:01:59 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

It would be more accurate to say that all of Champagne is in France where they produce sparkling white wine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on June 27, 2013, 02:10:11 AM

Quote from: godzvilla on June 26, 2013, 08:28:49 PM

Apparently highly thought of at Norwich , they must sick at loosing him as an out of Contract Player , big lad 6'.2" and a Captain too ! . Coincidentally , it seems all our recent signings are over the 6 " mark , although not sure about Tonev....................Godzvilla!

I should hope so too! At least they'll make Bannan look big.  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on June 27, 2013, 07:25:37 AM

Ümit Eminoğlu

Just gone to a Turkish team.

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=4819

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 27, 2013, 08:59:41 AM

Moscato d'asti is superior to Champagne. Once you try it you cant go back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 27, 2013, 09:23:41 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 11:43:06 PM

I'm sorry, I'm not well

You're as mad as a tube of fannies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 27, 2013, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 26, 2013, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

Bacuna not for Ireland, then?

Can't really say until we see him play, but based on what we've read, he seems a bit of a different type of player.  Can play wide but prefers box-to-box centrally - sounds a bit Milner-like to me. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 27, 2013, 09:39:39 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 27, 2013, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 26, 2013, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

Bacuna not for Ireland, then?

Can't really say until we see him play, but based on what we've read, he seems a bit of a different type of player.  Can play wide but prefers box-to-box centrally - sounds a bit Milner-like to me. 

For me Bacuna is more of a replacment for Petrov/Makoun and Tonev for Dawkins/Holman, so a replacement for Ireland would be nice especially with N'Zog out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 27, 2013, 09:47:03 AM

Football players are like snowdrops, there's never two exactly the same

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 27, 2013, 10:12:59 AM

We don't want another Ireland that's for sure! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on June 27, 2013, 10:17:23 AM

isnt it snowflakes?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 10:42:43 AM

Bran flakes isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 27, 2013, 11:20:05 AM

Peardrops?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2013, 01:05:46 PM

I see youngster Malcolm Melvin has left us for Notts County.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2013, 01:18:00 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 27, 2013, 01:05:46 PM

I see youngster Malcolm Melvin has left us for Notts County.

JUDAS!!!111!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Simon Ward on June 27, 2013, 01:33:58 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 27, 2013, 09:23:41 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 26, 2013, 11:43:06 PM

I'm sorry, I'm not well

You're as mad as a tube of fannies.

See Off Topic for why?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2013, 01:50:36 PM

Quote from: bobdylan on June 27, 2013, 09:39:39 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 27, 2013, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 26, 2013, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on June 26, 2013, 05:31:40 PM

So if Helenius is Bent's replacement, Okore is Dunne's, Steer for Given and sort of Luna for Warnock, does that mean we can expect players in the positions of Hutton and Ireland also?   

Bacuna not for Ireland, then?

Can't really say until we see him play, but based on what we've read, he seems a bit of a different type of player.  Can play wide but prefers box-to-box centrally - sounds a bit Milner-like to me. 

For me Bacuna is more of a replacment for Petrov/Makoun and Tonev for Dawkins/Holman, so a replacement for Ireland would be nice especially with N'Zog out.

I'm not sure we should burden Tonev with the pressure of trying to replace the irreplaceable Dawkins.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 03:37:10 PM

Ha ha

Express and Star

Aston Villa could offer Stewart Downing a shock return to the club but will only go as high as £6million, mindful of the £70,000-a-week wage the 28-year-old earns at Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2013, 03:43:31 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 03:37:10 PM

Ha ha

Express and Star

Aston Villa could offer Stewart Downing a shock return to the club but will only go as high as £6million, mindful of the £70,000-a-week wage the 28-year-old earns at Liverpool.

Hopefully the news of N'Zogbia being out has made them put two and two together.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 27, 2013, 03:47:04 PM

28 year old on £70k a week who's a traditional winger and not that good.

Carlsberg don't do 'least likely Lambert signings', but if they did.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2013, 03:49:19 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 27, 2013, 03:43:31 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 03:37:10 PM

Ha ha

Express and Star

Aston Villa could offer Stewart Downing a shock return to the club but will only go as high as £6million, mindful of the £70,000-a-week wage the 28-year-old earns at Liverpool.

Hopefully the news of N'Zogbia being out has made them put two and two together.

so 2+2=stupid?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 27, 2013, 03:51:02 PM

Quote from: Clampy on June 27, 2013, 03:43:31 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 03:37:10 PM

Ha ha

Express and Star

Aston Villa could offer Stewart Downing a shock return to the club but will only go as high as £6million, mindful of the £70,000-a-week wage the 28-year-old earns at Liverpool.

Hopefully the news of N'Zogbia being out has made them put two and two together.

Carlsberg dont do lazy journalism but if they did  the Express and STAR .........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2013, 05:06:14 PM

I just worked it out, they a black country rag, they probably follow the Boggies and thought it would amuse the inbreds

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2013, 05:42:46 PM

I reckon Downing could do a job.





Is he any good at selling programmes?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 27, 2013, 05:47:24 PM

Really?  Well it won't be in a solicitor's office.  All the t's in the contracts would remain uncrossed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on June 27, 2013, 05:47:47 PM

He could certainly do one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 27, 2013, 06:00:17 PM

Out of Barry youngy milner and dj Stewie. downing would be least welcome but maybe most likely ! All of the others aren't likely so don't expect any. Barry would be most preferred then milner and young though if we had all 3 then 4th place here we come ! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 27, 2013, 06:02:01 PM

This made me laugh..

Quote

Tottenham are ready to make a new swap offer for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke with Spurs Togolese attacker Emmanuel Adebayor going the opposite direction.

The Express & Star says Villa may be offered forward Emmanuel Adebayor, 29, plus a £20m transfer fee.

This is to enable Spurs to prise away star striker Benteke away from the Claret and Blues.

Jermain Defoe had previously been mentioned as a makeweight in Tottenham’s pursuit of the Belgian.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 27, 2013, 06:04:16 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 27, 2013, 06:00:17 PM

Out of Barry youngy milner and dj Stewie. downing would be least welcome but maybe most likely ! All of the others aren't likely so don't expect any. Barry would be most preferred then milner and young though if we had all 3 then 4th place here we come ! 

Of the 4 i would take Milner ahead of the other 3 by a distance but highly unlikely to happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2013, 06:34:50 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 27, 2013, 06:02:01 PM

This made me laugh..

Quote

Tottenham are ready to make a new swap offer for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke with Spurs Togolese attacker Emmanuel Adebayor going the opposite direction.

The Express & Star says Villa may be offered forward Emmanuel Adebayor, 29, plus a £20m transfer fee.

This is to enable Spurs to prise away star striker Benteke away from the Claret and Blues.

Jermain Defoe had previously been mentioned as a makeweight in Tottenham’s pursuit of the Belgian.

Ha ha ludicrous on so many levels. Adebayor a player with massive wages and ego to boot, sounds exactly like a Lambert player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2013, 07:47:06 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 11:05:43 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 26, 2013, 11:01:27 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Many French Champagne producers such as Moet Chandon produce Champagne in Argentina, where they are allowed to call it Champagne.

Not a lot of people know that. (Unless you are an Argie of course.)

If memory serves, it's called Chandon. All the big French champagne producer are operting in Argentina. I guess the land price is cheaper than Kent.

Yes, you're right, they do brand it Chandon.

Domain Chandon was first launched as a Californian sparkling wine. It has since launched in other wine-making countries.
Champagne has global protection on its geographic label.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 27, 2013, 07:50:55 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 27, 2013, 06:02:01 PM

This made me laugh..

Quote

Tottenham are ready to make a new swap offer for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke with Spurs Togolese attacker Emmanuel Adebayor going the opposite direction.

The Express & Star says Villa may be offered forward Emmanuel Adebayor, 29, plus a £20m transfer fee.

This is to enable Spurs to prise away star striker Benteke away from the Claret and Blues.

Jermain Defoe had previously been mentioned as a makeweight in Tottenham’s pursuit of the Belgian.

Is that a quote from the Beano? - bleedin' laughable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gompedyret on June 27, 2013, 07:58:48 PM

Twitter fluff:

The German press are strongly linking Hiroshi Kiyotake with Aston Villa. Hiroshi Kiyotake is a 23 year old Japan international from FC Nuremburg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 27, 2013, 08:14:45 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Kiyotake

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smirker on June 27, 2013, 08:20:44 PM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 27, 2013, 07:58:48 PM

Twitter fluff:

The German press are strongly linking Hiroshi Kiyotake with Aston Villa. Hiroshi Kiyotake is a 23 year old Japan international from FC Nuremburg.

Is he any good on FM?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 27, 2013, 08:33:56 PM

Quote from: Mister E on June 27, 2013, 07:47:06 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 11:05:43 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on June 26, 2013, 11:01:27 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on June 26, 2013, 10:34:41 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 26, 2013, 10:16:49 PM

I'd just like to remind Ricky that all Champagne is French. There.

Many French Champagne producers such as Moet Chandon produce Champagne in Argentina, where they are allowed to call it Champagne.

Not a lot of people know that. (Unless you are an Argie of course.)

If memory serves, it's called Chandon. All the big French champagne producer are operting in Argentina. I guess the land price is cheaper than Kent.

Yes, you're right, they do brand it Chandon.

Domain Chandon was first launched as a Californian sparkling wine. It has since launched in other wine-making countries.
Champagne has global protection on its geographic label.

Argentinian produced champagne is labelled as Champaña, which translated from the Spanish, is indeed champagne. Whether the Spanish translation overcomes any copyright protection, I know not.

(http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz337/glencoehouse/champana-piedras-202-de-exportacion-x-750-cc-2690-_MLA-O-125106072_2779_zps2893757d.jpg?t=1372362570)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM

I might be engaging in sad, old Western Orientalism but I'd like us to sign a Japanese player.  I just think it would be cool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on June 27, 2013, 08:45:43 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM

I might be engaging in sad, old Western Orientalism but I'd like us to sign a Japanese player.  I just think it would be cool.

Absolutely no chance of signing him, he's only 5' 7"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:50:01 PM

Quote from: Fasth56 on June 27, 2013, 08:45:43 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM

I might be engaging in sad, old Western Orientalism but I'd like us to sign a Japanese player.  I just think it would be cool.

Absolutely no chance of signing him, he's only 5' 7"

Makes him taller than Westwood and Bannan doesn't it?  I saw him out-jump a defender to score a header from a corner in a video.  He's clearly the next Paul Scholes. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on June 27, 2013, 08:57:19 PM

Westwood is 5' 9", Lambert didn't sign Bannan. The comment was tongue in cheek though!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 09:02:25 PM

Quote from: Fasth56 on June 27, 2013, 08:57:19 PM

Westwood is 5' 9", Lambert didn't sign Bannan. The comment was tongue in cheek though!

As was mine.  Westwood is only 5'7" in Football Manager though. ;) 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go then people hold tight  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 27, 2013, 09:42:03 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM

I might be engaging in sad, old Western Orientalism but I'd like us to sign a Japanese player.  I just think it would be cool.

I think we should also sign David Sylvian

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 27, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

It's that Montpellier have accepted a £12.5m bid from us for Belhanda. Like you say, utter bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 27, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

It's that Montpellier have accepted a £12.5m bid from us for Belhanda. Like you say, utter bollocks.

It's not 10 clock yet. Load of bullshit.!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 27, 2013, 09:48:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 27, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

It's that Montpellier have accepted a £12.5m bid from us for Belhanda. Like you say, utter bollocks.

It's not 10 clock yet. Load of bullshit.!!

I can confirm that it is not bullshit that it is not ten o'clock yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:52:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 27, 2013, 09:48:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 27, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

It's that Montpellier have accepted a £12.5m bid from us for Belhanda. Like you say, utter bollocks.

It's not 10 clock yet. Load of bullshit.!!

I can confirm that it is not bullshit that it is not ten o'clock yet.

I like that. Still not Ten !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on June 27, 2013, 10:03:08 PM

So excited

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 10:07:33 PM

6 minutes past ten, still fuck all. I will not be able to sleep tonight now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2013, 10:44:42 PM

and sky have him quoted it is between a club in England and Al Jeeza? in Abu Dhabi. .. they think its us. When will people stop the link?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 27, 2013, 11:01:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 27, 2013, 10:44:42 PM

and sky have him quoted it is between a club in England and Al Jeeza? in Abu Dhabi. .. they think its us. When will people stop the link?

Why would they? their end have said a few times we're the club interested

No one else from England has been mentioned and he's said he'd join us

They're not going to stop speculating just because we're denying it, well until they hear anything from another club

Edit: Just seen skysports have Spurs and Newcastle as potential interested parties

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 11:32:55 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:52:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on June 27, 2013, 09:48:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 27, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 27, 2013, 09:22:29 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on June 27, 2013, 09:09:54 PM

You gotta love twitter bs 'Big Aston Villa Transfer News coming up at 10.00pm'

51 minutes to go them people hold tight  ;)

And fuck all will happen. ;)

It's that Montpellier have accepted a £12.5m bid from us for Belhanda. Like you say, utter bollocks.

It's not 10 clock yet. Load of bullshit.!!

I can confirm that it is not bullshit that it is not ten o'clock yet.

I like that. Still not Ten !

Confirmed bullshit that's another ITK on the source blacklist. 

Apologies for the constant spelling mistakes on posts. I spilt beer on my keypad so i'm now resorting to using on-screen keyboard. It's really annoying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 27, 2013, 11:43:49 PM

it was just some supposed itk trying to guess the time frame of the sky story about belhanda. He will make his choice soon and if he has any sense he will come to england weather or not thats to us remains to be seen, but i feel he is the missing part of the offensive puzzle for us and all we will be missing then is a top centerback i'd love dede but thats probably more fantasy than reality, however fillipe santana wants out of dortmund for regular first team football due to wanting to play in the world cup, sign him up give it him and that would allow us to break okore in gentally

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on June 27, 2013, 11:50:21 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 27, 2013, 11:43:49 PM

it was just some supposed itk trying to guess the time frame of the sky story about belhanda. He will make his choice soon and if he has any sense he will come to england weather or not thats to us remains to be seen, but i feel he is the missing part of the offensive puzzle for us and all we will be missing then is a top centerback i'd love dede but thats probably more fantasy than reality, however fillipe santana wants out of dortmund for regular first team football due to wanting to play in the world cup, sign him up give it him and that would allow us to break okore in gentally

Ive got an offensive puzzle,its a 5000 with a picture of a nun and a duck.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 27, 2013, 11:58:01 PM

jesus i dont even want to think what that nuns doing to that poor duck

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 27, 2013, 11:59:43 PM

Why do we need to break Okores genitals again?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2013, 12:01:58 AM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 27, 2013, 07:58:48 PM

Twitter fluff:

The German press are strongly linking Hiroshi Kiyotake with Aston Villa. Hiroshi Kiyotake is a 23 year old Japan international from FC Nuremburg.

May be he will be here from Nuremberg on trial!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 28, 2013, 12:07:42 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on June 27, 2013, 11:59:43 PM

Why do we need to break Okores genitals again?

Incorrect punctuation. Read and learn.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 28, 2013, 12:08:54 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on June 28, 2013, 12:01:58 AM

Quote from: Gompedyret on June 27, 2013, 07:58:48 PM

Twitter fluff:

The German press are strongly linking Hiroshi Kiyotake with Aston Villa. Hiroshi Kiyotake is a 23 year old Japan international from FC Nuremburg.

May be he will be here from Nuremberg on trial!

I'd doubt that he'd want to hang around here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2013, 12:41:46 AM

I will admit it is late and I have had a few drinks but I have read this page three times now and it is like album lyrics from a band that have taken far too many drugs. Admittedly, if this post ends up being the first one on the next page then that just makes things more confusing. I love a thread going off on a tangent but that normally involves people following that tangent. Not only is everyone going off in a different direction, some people are going off in different directions in one post. Actually, me posting this probably makes me more of the problem than the solution.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 28, 2013, 12:44:45 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on June 28, 2013, 12:41:46 AM

I will admit it is late and I have had a few drinks but I have read this page three times now and it is like album lyrics from a band that have taken far too many drugs. Admittedly, if this post ends up being the first one on the next page then that just makes things more confusing. I love a thread going off on a tangent but that normally involves people following that tangent. Not only is everyone going off in a different direction, some people are going off in different directions in one post. Actually, me posting this probably makes me more of the problem than the solution.

Can I have some of what you've had?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 12:59:46 AM

The thing that annoys me about Belhanda is that he does look a superb footballer from the bits I have seen that could be a really good player in this side. But so many people have stated it is not going to happen, that Sky dragging us into it on the back of his quotes just appears lazy after the clear message we are not in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 28, 2013, 01:15:58 AM

I want to know what's happened to the duck.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 28, 2013, 01:19:32 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 28, 2013, 01:15:58 AM

I want to know what's happened to the duck.

It got into a bad habit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on June 28, 2013, 01:20:25 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 28, 2013, 01:19:32 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on June 28, 2013, 01:15:58 AM

I want to know what's happened to the duck.

It got into a bad habit.

Superb.  Thank you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2013, 01:36:09 AM

So.. Hiroshi Kiyotake eh? I want to believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 28, 2013, 02:26:13 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2013, 01:36:09 AM

So.. Hiroshi Kiyotake eh? I want to believe.

" Things will happen while  they can ...Its easy when you,re big in Japan "...............Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2013, 04:06:48 AM

"Oooh no! There goes Tokyo! Go! Go! Godsvilla!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2013, 07:33:15 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2013, 01:36:09 AM

So.. Hiroshi Kiyotake eh? I want to believe.

"When after all the urges some kind of truth emerges
We felt the deadly surges

Discovering japan--an --an
Discovering japan--an --an"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2013, 08:47:45 AM

Mister can you tell me where my love has gone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on June 28, 2013, 08:50:07 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2013, 01:36:09 AM

So.. Hiroshi Kiyotake eh? I want to believe.

Uh Huh Huh life can be cruel
Life in Tokyo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 09:15:22 AM

Gareth Barry and Stewart Downing will not be returning to Villa Park this summer despite reports linking them with their former club.

Barry and Downing are expected to be made available by Manchester City and Liverpool respectively, but the Birmingham Mail understands the duo are not on the Aston Villa manager’s wishlist.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on June 28, 2013, 09:18:58 AM

Bellenda has a big decision to make..... Abu crappy or English premier league....
No one in there right mind would have to think seriously hard over that question.....

So it's either utter bullshite, or maybe bell end just in it for a bigger purse, either way, I hope villa have nothing to do with this member.

Don't need this guy coming into our young and talented villa squad and causing friction...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 28, 2013, 09:36:37 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 09:15:22 AM

Gareth Barry and Stewart Downing will not be returning to Villa Park this summer despite reports linking them with their former club.

Barry and Downing are expected to be made available by Manchester City and Liverpool respectively, but the Birmingham Mail understands the duo are not on the Aston Villa manager’s wishlist.

Please take that in, folks. Lambert is not going to sign any mature Premier League players. Please restrict your suggestions to players that none of us have ever heard of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:16:27 AM

Don't take this as gospel. Just a bit of info from Bodymoor Heath. Apparently there is one " Big" signing about to happen soon. Possibly Belhanda, only possibly though.
Don't shoot the messenger please, just what i have been told.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:16:27 AM

Don't take this as gospel. Just a bit of info from Bodymoor Heath. Apparently there is one " Big" signing about to happen soon. Possibly Belhanda, only possibly though.
Don't shoot the messenger please, just what i have been told.

I take this as gospel Dan because you said it. Please don't let me down.
(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/PussInBoots1.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:24:47 AM

Quote from: supertom on June 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:16:27 AM

Don't take this as gospel. Just a bit of info from Bodymoor Heath. Apparently there is one " Big" signing about to happen soon. Possibly Belhanda, only possibly though.
Don't shoot the messenger please, just what i have been told.

I take this as gospel Dan because you said it. Please don't let me down.
(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/PussInBoots1.gif)

Funny picture that. We will not know anymore until early next week apparently, that is when this " Big" signing is supposed to happen.
Getting quite excited about this one. We will have to wait and see. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2013, 10:26:22 AM

Maybe we are signing Barry after all? Well, he is big I suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:29:15 AM

Maybe it's a Samoan player. He would be big !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:37:15 AM

A big sit on one ? I like those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2013, 10:39:10 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:37:15 AM

A big sit on one ? I like those.

I doubt we will be buying the Blose's flymo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on June 28, 2013, 10:41:30 AM

A new contract for Benteke?  That would be a big signing for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:49:19 AM

Quote from: bobdylan on June 28, 2013, 10:41:30 AM

A new contract for Benteke?  That would be a big signing for us.

This would be better than anything else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2013, 10:55:28 AM

I'm firmly of the opinion that we will get a higher profile attacking midfielder this summer so it wouldn't surprise me at all.  That's why I've taken the dismissals of the Belhanda link with a pinch of salt, he fits the mould for the type of player we clearly need and is roughly the right profile as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 28, 2013, 10:59:29 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:49:19 AM

Quote from: bobdylan on June 28, 2013, 10:41:30 AM

A new contract for Benteke?  That would be a big signing for us.

This would be better than anything else.

yeah this would be the best news of the summer

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:05:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

must have Honda engine

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 28, 2013, 11:07:09 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 10:26:22 AM

Maybe we are signing Barry after all? Well, he is big I suppose.

Fatist !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2013, 11:08:24 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:05:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

must have Honda engine

Honda has looked good this summer. Get'im in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:10:34 AM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on June 28, 2013, 11:07:09 AM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 10:26:22 AM

Maybe we are signing Barry after all? Well, he is big I suppose.

Fatist !

I wouldnt say he is the fatist see R Dunne for details

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:11:59 AM

Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2013, 11:08:24 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:05:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

must have Honda engine

Honda has looked good this summer. Get'im in.

i didnt think of that very good  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on June 28, 2013, 11:30:55 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:11:59 AM

Quote from: eamonn on June 28, 2013, 11:08:24 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2013, 11:05:49 AM

Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

must have Honda engine

Honda has looked good this summer. Get'im in.

i didnt think of that very good  :D

Street Figher's E Honda?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on June 28, 2013, 12:00:57 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 10:26:22 AM

Maybe we are signing Barry after all? Well, he is big I suppose.

Make your mind up Ads: first you said he had a big arse and then you said he was a tight end.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 12:06:29 PM

@sportbbcwm: Crewe's Luke Murphy now has to decide between #wwfc and #Blackburn as both clubs have agreed a fee for the 23-year old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

He's obviously not they player people have claimed he is. A choice between a nothing Midlands club and a madcap bunch of chicken pluckers rather than ending up in the Prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mal on June 28, 2013, 12:21:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 09:15:22 AM

Gareth Barry and Stewart Downing will not be returning to Villa Park this summer despite reports linking them with their former club.

Barry and Downing are expected to be made available by Manchester City and Liverpool respectively, but the Birmingham Mail understands the duo are not on the Aston Villa manager’s wishlist.

Lazy journalism dismissed by a whiff of truth - thank the Lord.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2013, 12:28:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

He's obviously not they player people have claimed he is. A choice between a nothing Midlands club and a madcap bunch of chicken pluckers rather than ending up in the Prem.

Or maybe no one in the premier league is willing to give him a go?  There's not many clubs in the league who've made a habit of buying from the lower leagues, we broke the mould last summer so we're the most likely premier league team to take a look but if we've decided to make that position the one we're willing to spend a bit more on then he's not left with many options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2013, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on June 27, 2013, 09:42:03 PM

Quote from: Ryu on June 27, 2013, 08:34:41 PM

I might be engaging in sad, old Western Orientalism but I'd like us to sign a Japanese player.  I just think it would be cool.

I think we should also sign David Sylvian

I second that emotion ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:32:28 PM

Quote from: paul_e on June 28, 2013, 12:28:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

He's obviously not they player people have claimed he is. A choice between a nothing Midlands club and a madcap bunch of chicken pluckers rather than ending up in the Prem.

Or maybe no one in the premier league is willing to give him a go?  There's not many clubs in the league who've made a habit of buying from the lower leagues, we broke the mould last summer so we're the most likely premier league team to take a look but if we've decided to make that position the one we're willing to spend a bit more on then he's not left with many options.

I may be confusing him with another player we were linked with, but wasn't the fee they were asking supposed to be about £4m? If that was the case, Crewe seriously overplayed their hand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2013, 12:39:17 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

He's obviously not they player people have claimed he is. A choice between a nothing Midlands club and a madcap bunch of chicken pluckers rather than ending up in the Prem.

I'd stay where he is if i were him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 12:41:10 PM

Me too Clampy. Has another good season at Crewe he is on a free next summer, and may get better than being tied down to either of those 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 28, 2013, 12:41:15 PM

Or we don't need him ?

How many central midfielders does a club need anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 28, 2013, 12:45:14 PM

Well, if, and it is an if, we sign Belhanda another midfielder is no longer on the wish list as far as I'm concerned, one more in at the back and I'm done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2013, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 28, 2013, 10:16:27 AM

Don't take this as gospel. Just a bit of info from Bodymoor Heath. Apparently there is one " Big" signing about to happen soon. Possibly Belhanda, only possibly though.
Don't shoot the messenger please, just what i have been told.

So it might happen or it might not? Wow, so that's what the view is like from the top of the fence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:52:21 PM

Has Belhanda made his 'imminent' decision yet? Honestly, I've known people who've organised a mortgage in less time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 12:55:50 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:52:21 PM

Has Belhanda made his 'imminent' decision yet? Honestly, I've known people who've organised a mortgage in less time.

Seems from local press that belhanda is not on the radar, doubt we will sign him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2013, 01:02:37 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 28, 2013, 10:36:08 AM

it could just be the new villa park lawnmower

my mates re laying the villa training ground at bodymoor .  Ill ask him if there is a small argentian fella hanging about ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 01:05:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 12:55:50 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 12:52:21 PM

Has Belhanda made his 'imminent' decision yet? Honestly, I've known people who've organised a mortgage in less time.

Seems from local press that belhanda is not on the radar, doubt we will sign him.

Nothing changed from a week ago, but some Twitter bullshitters were bored last night and got a few people hot under the collar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:18:10 PM

Aston Villa are not going to sign Belhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 28, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:18:10 PM

Aston Villa are not going to sign Belhanda.

Is this personal belief or are you in fact Randy Lerner?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 28, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:18:10 PM

Aston Villa are not going to sign Belhanda.

Is this personal belief or are you in fact Randy Lerner?

I am Randy Lerner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 01:47:07 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on June 28, 2013, 01:38:45 PM

Quote from: Ads on June 28, 2013, 01:18:10 PM

Aston Villa are not going to sign Belhanda.

Is this personal belief or are you in fact Randy Lerner?

I am a Randy Learner .

Fixed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:01:23 PM

It was sky sports, and French press, and his own quotes that got people interested again last night in fairness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:20:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:01:23 PM

It was sky sports, and French press, and his own quotes that got people interested again last night in fairness.

Dear me ozz , you really must learn to take sky sports with a pinch of salt ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:22:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:20:40 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:01:23 PM

It was sky sports, and French press, and his own quotes that got people interested again last night in fairness.

Dear me ozz , you really must learn to take sky sports with a pinch of salt ;)

I did. I was not getting hot under the collar about it, I was simply pointing out why it was more than just twitter last night. I am not the one sat afront the red bar hoping to see the yellow ticker....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Ah now that, that is a funny joke!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:42:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Ah now that, that is a funny joke!

It's summer ozz, tennis and cricket is where its at :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 28, 2013, 02:48:11 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:42:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Ah now that, that is a funny joke!

It's summer ozz, tennis and cricket is where its at :)

I've heard of tennis and cricket, but what the fuck is summer!?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 28, 2013, 02:57:14 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 28, 2013, 02:48:11 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:42:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Ah now that, that is a funny joke!

It's summer ozz, tennis and cricket is where its at :)

I've heard of tennis and cricket, but what the fuck is summer!?

The time of the year when tennis and cricket happen. Much like most of the year, cold and wet but not quite as cold as winter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 03:00:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:42:21 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 28, 2013, 02:40:47 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 02:25:46 PM

Do they still use the yellow ticker , so long since i last tuned in .....

Ah now that, that is a funny joke!

It's summer ozz, tennis and cricket is where its at :)

They play tennis and cricket on the yellow ticker with Jim commentating?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 28, 2013, 03:02:52 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here , and I can say that about quite a few of our signings this summer too .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 28, 2013, 03:04:04 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Which is why he is a nailed on signing. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on June 28, 2013, 03:10:29 PM

I've heard of tennis and cricket, but what the fuck is summer!?
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The time of the year when tennis and cricket happen. Much like most of the year, cold and wet but not quite as cold as winter.
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This should be in every guide book about Britain.Vital information and should be in the Tories exam of 'UK Citizenship'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2013, 04:45:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 03:02:52 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here , and I can say that about quite a few of our signings this summer too .

When Montpellier won the league in france the other year he was hearalded as one of the main reasons.  If he can be on my radar then I'd imagine a fair few others (most?) would have known about him.

To put that in context, I'd still struggle to name all of our signing this summer, let alone spell their names correctly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2013, 06:24:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

I'm not so sure. We're new to this early business malarky. I reckon it's more the manifestation of frustration at now having to wait seven sodding weeks to find out if they're any good, and the weather's doing its best to scupper any distractions we might've had!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on June 28, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2013, 06:24:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

I'm not so sure. We're new to this early business malarky. I reckon it's more the manifestation of frustration at now having to wait seven sodding weeks to find out if they're any good, and the weather's doing its best to scupper any distractions we might've had!

Those 'some' want Villa to make last minute signings of players they've seen on Sky Sports. That has brought us nothing since 1996. (If then. Savo who?) The majority never support change in any walk of life. Villa need change & to seek some way of acquiring silverware.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on June 28, 2013, 06:49:03 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 28, 2013, 04:45:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 28, 2013, 03:02:52 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here , and I can say that about quite a few of our signings this summer too .

When Montpellier won the league in france the other year he was hearalded as one of the main reasons.  If he can be on my radar then I'd imagine a fair few others (most?) would have known about him.

To put that in context, I'd still struggle to name all of our signing this summer, let alone spell their names correctly.

I knew it, you're  Joe Kinnear really

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 28, 2013, 08:20:33 PM

Mutterings in the German media that Villa have gone in for Hiroshi Kiyotake - a midfielder currently playing for FC Nuremberg.  Maybe we can take him on a trial?

Promising young talent - represented Japan at all levels - just had his first season in Europe - the fans love him.  Jinky, slick, with a good shot and excellent movement.  Could this be what Stephen Ireland was meant to be?   Shish!


I especially like this Youtube showreel - Japanese Rock - it's something else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2013, 08:33:10 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

That's the mind playing tricks. Our new signings are ready to get going when we report back and once you start seeing pics on the OS you'll feel better that they are already in place. Other clubs are still chasing players. We are in a much better situation by having done a good amount of our business early.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 08:39:27 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 28, 2013, 08:33:10 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

That's the mind playing tricks. Our new signings are ready to get going when we report back and once you start seeing pics on the OS you'll feel better that they are already in place. Other clubs are still chasing players. We are in a much better situation by having done a good amount of our business early.

I couldn't agree more. I've just noticed a few rumblings along the lines of 'It's nice to be linked to some players we've heard of, even only vaguely'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 28, 2013, 09:03:29 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 28, 2013, 08:20:33 PM

I especially like this Youtube showreel - Japanese Rock - it's something else.

Sign the Japanese bloke so the team can walk out to some "Flower Travellin' Band" or "Speed Glue and Shinki"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mike Jeffries on June 28, 2013, 09:15:19 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 28, 2013, 09:03:29 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 28, 2013, 08:20:33 PM

I especially like this Youtube showreel - Japanese Rock - it's something else.

Sign the Japanese bloke so the team can walk out to some "Flower Travellin' Band" or "Speed Glue and Shinki"

Ha! The Music section has gone topside!

It would be great if that happened!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 28, 2013, 11:13:24 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 28, 2013, 08:20:33 PM

Mutterings in the German media that Villa have gone in for Hiroshi Kiyotake - a midfielder currently playing for FC Nuremberg.  Maybe we can take him on a trial?

Promising young talent - represented Japan at all levels - just had his first season in Europe - the fans love him.  Jinky, slick, with a good shot and excellent movement.  Could this be what Stephen Ireland was meant to be?   Shish!


I especially like this Youtube showreel - Japanese Rock - it's something else.

well the news broke a few days ago and nothings happened either end so i doubt this one will happen. he might be back up if plan a fails

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smirker on June 28, 2013, 11:52:26 PM

Anyone heard anything about Belhanda?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on June 29, 2013, 12:32:28 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 28, 2013, 09:03:29 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 28, 2013, 08:20:33 PM

I especially like this Youtube showreel - Japanese Rock - it's something else.

Sign the Japanese bloke so the team can walk out to some "Flower Travellin' Band" or "Speed Glue and Shinki"

Or some Blood Stain Child

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2013, 12:36:52 AM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I hadn't.

I know a bloke - Norwegian Villa fan - who is a sportsbook manager with a big European bookmaker, whose job basically entails watching football matches all over Europe, and he tells me Belhanda is a brilliant player, and that it'd be a coup to get him.

He watches Scandinavian football more than any, mind, and tells me Okore is a massive talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 01:00:13 AM

I have seen him once and a couple of highlights, but other than that just youtube. Shame that it is not going to happen, as he looks like he could have been exactly the type of player to help us really kick on building a side that really worries others.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 29, 2013, 01:04:11 AM

Bit like Curcic perhaps, and he was used to British football? I confess I dont know the lad at all

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 07:54:56 AM

@JamesNursey: Also heard #AVFC making Delfouneso, Stevens and Bannan available as part of clear-out. #wwfc Wolves interested in Delfouneso on loan

@JamesNursey: villa would like to shift Delfouneso & Bannan permanently but it may just be loans as, seriously, they both earn £20k a week!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2013, 08:00:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 07:54:56 AM

@JamesNursey: Also heard #AVFC making Delfouneso, Stevens and Bannan available as part of clear-out. #wwfc Wolves interested in Delfouneso on loan

@JamesNursey: villa would like to shift Delfouneso & Bannan permanently but it may just be loans as, seriously, they both earn £20k a week!!!!

I can understand with Bannan as he's been around the first team for a few seasons, but Delfouneso? Sweet baby Jesus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 29, 2013, 08:08:30 AM

Quote from: LeeB on June 29, 2013, 08:00:00 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 07:54:56 AM

@JamesNursey: Also heard #AVFC making Delfouneso, Stevens and Bannan available as part of clear-out. #wwfc Wolves interested in Delfouneso on loan

@JamesNursey: villa would like to shift Delfouneso & Bannan permanently but it may just be loans as, seriously, they both earn £20k a week!!!!

I can understand with Bannan as he's been around the first team for a few seasons, but Delfouneso? Sweet baby Jesus.

Blimey, who sanctioned giving Delfouneso twenty grand per week? No wonder he didn't kick on, when you are on twenty grand per week you are entitled to think you have already made it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 29, 2013, 08:35:17 AM

Does that equate to what Benteke's getting?  If so; the mind boggles.  It's like paying for Dr Chritian Barnard and getting Dr Crippen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 08:44:00 AM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 29, 2013, 08:35:17 AM

Does that equate to what Benteke's getting?  If so; the mind boggles.  It's like paying for Dr Chritian Barnard and getting Dr Crippen.

Yep, I'd imagine the Fonz and bannan are on similar wages to benteke and Westwood .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2013, 08:46:04 AM

Is it really that ridiculous? He signed it in 2011 when he was in the team quite a lot. He was 19 and playing regularly for the U21s - so at the time was extremely well thought of.

Hindsight is a great thing. (I think) Gary Gardner's deal expires in twelve months time and considering the regard in which he is held it wouldn't surprise me to see him offered a similar deal. If we don't, I expect someone else will. Is that any different to Delfouneso getting that? Neither has achieved any more than the other.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 29, 2013, 08:52:19 AM

Depending on the remaining time on their contracts would it be more feasible just to let them go on free transfer and pay the rest of the contract up. I'm no accountant but surely this write off is a form of amortisation and can therefore be offset against corporation tax? Perhaps someone who is better qualified than I can explain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 08:52:44 AM

I didnt realise Gardner was entering the last year of his deal - i hope we tie him up to a new deal pretty soon as i feel he has great potential.

He is 21 today and i hope he can remain injury free next season and push forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 08:53:54 AM

Quote from: My left Foot on June 29, 2013, 08:52:19 AM

Depending on the remaining time on their contracts would it be more feasible just to let them go on free transfer and pay the rest of the contract up. I'm no accountant but surely this write off is a form of amortisation and can therefore be offset against corporation tax? Perhaps someone who is better qualified than I can explain.

I think we would probably want a small fee for both , I'd be surprised if we released them on a free.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on June 29, 2013, 10:17:17 AM

Poor Enda Stevens. I work with somebody who knew him growing up and by all accounts he is 110% in everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2013, 10:17:59 AM

I work with a Wolves fan who consistently raves about an attacking midfielder they have called Sako, and thinks he'd cut it in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 29, 2013, 10:28:48 AM

Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2013, 10:17:59 AM

I work with a Wolves fan who consistently raves about an attacking midfielder they have called Sako, and thinks he'd cut it in the Premier League.

My flatmate is a Wolves fan as well. Apparently he started the season pretty well but faded massively. Is completely one footed, which allowed even championship defenders to totally figure him out.
From what I've seen he is quite direct but doesn't work that hard, looks a little overweight and really wasn't particularly impressive to be honest, particularly for the £4m figures being quoted. A big no no from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on June 29, 2013, 10:30:49 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 29, 2013, 10:17:17 AM

Poor Enda Stevens. I work with somebody who knew him growing up and by all accounts he is 110% in everything.

I think he'll make a career for himself out of football, just that's unlikely to be at PL level.  A shame, but it's not really the end of the road for him in England. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on June 29, 2013, 11:01:07 AM

Quote from: Irish villain on June 29, 2013, 10:17:17 AM

Poor Enda Stevens. I work with somebody who knew him growing up and by all accounts he is 110% in everything.

I don't believe anyone would put Stevens down for effort.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on June 29, 2013, 11:05:49 AM

Iactually thought he was the most promising of the three-including Bennett. I realise that would put me in a minority of one, but think he will blossom.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

Edna was terrifyingly bad at Swindon when we nearly went out having been two goals up. Didn't get much of a look in after that if my event-recall is resolute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2013, 11:14:58 AM

Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of the editor. And Blackpool couldn't afford to pay their wages with the exception of The Fonz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:20:35 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2013, 11:14:58 AM

Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of the editor. And Blackpool couldn't afford to pay their wages with the exception of The Fonz.

I would agree - but would be a great solution for us

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2013, 11:22:54 AM

Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

If carlsberg did transfers ;)           

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2013, 11:24:38 AM

That's probably enough to make Paul Ince offer his resignation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2013, 11:26:20 AM

Quote

Aston Villa[edit]
On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction. This is complete bullshit and has been edited

 ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SlideruleSid on June 29, 2013, 11:34:41 AM

Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

Someone is definitely taking the piss with that Wiki edit. You'd have to a total idiot on a level with Paul Ince to go for that. Oh, hold on...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 29, 2013, 11:38:06 AM

I still think Stevens could become an EPL level player. But it looks like he'll have to drop a division first. Hopefully he can find a decent Championship club like Lichaj did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on June 29, 2013, 11:49:34 AM

Quote from: SlideruleSid on June 29, 2013, 11:34:41 AM

Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

From Tom Ince's wikipedia page  (disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger !)

Aston Villa

On 29 June 2013, Ince signed a three-year contract with Aston Villa, with an option for a fourth, after a direct swap deal was agreed between Aston Villa and Blackpool, with Ince joining Villa and Barry Bannan, Nathan Delfouneso and Alan Hutton travelling the opposite direction.

Someone is definitely taking the piss with that Wiki edit. You'd have to a total idiot on a level with Paul Ince to go for that. Oh, hold on...

That is hilarious. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 29, 2013, 12:05:57 PM

and chuck in Stephen Ireland as well :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2013, 12:19:49 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM

Edna was terrifyingly bad at Swindon when we nearly went out having been two goals up. Didn't get much of a look in after that if my event-recall is resolute.

Had his longest (only) run in the team after that, didn't he? Performed quite well at home to ManUre. Got shafted for Saints' ghost-penalty at VP. Had a few other games around our horror period.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 29, 2013, 12:24:44 PM

You wonder how many other clubs are willing to pay those two what they're on now, the Fonz may have to take quite a cut if he wants a move. How long do they have left on their contracts ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on June 29, 2013, 12:34:40 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on June 28, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Quote from: Lastfootstamper on June 28, 2013, 06:24:16 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on June 28, 2013, 05:27:08 PM

It does seem that the optimism engendered by our fast action on signings is dissipating for some.

I'm not so sure. We're new to this early business malarky. I reckon it's more the manifestation of frustration at now having to wait seven sodding weeks to find out if they're any good, and the weather's doing its best to scupper any distractions we might've had!

Those 'some' want Villa to make last minute signings of players they've seen on Sky Sports. That has brought us nothing since 1996. (If then. Savo who?) The majority never support change in any walk of life. Villa need change & to seek some way of acquiring silverware.

My comment regarding never having heard of Belhanda was more to do with my surprise that a lot of people had and had knowledge that he's a decent player.

Its great that training will start with a lot of new players in place. Im very excited for the forthcoming season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

Delfouneso on 20k a week seems very much an O Neill leftover to be honest. Perhaps if MON had a little more faith in Fonz, instead of persisting with Heskey, he might have developed better as a player. But putting him on 20k a week (okay meagre by the squad standards of 3-4 years ago) after a handful of games was silly. I can understand if you have people knocking down our door to poach him away from us, but we didn't.

Whereas I'd say Wiemann's deal, after playing a full season and having a strong impact, was more warranted.

Bannan and Delfouneso as millionaire footballers. That's bloody crazy. Get them off the books. We've got players as good coming through, who'll probably work their asses off to have an impact. Or we go lower league and give someone a chance again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on June 29, 2013, 12:41:29 PM

Josh Macecaren (spelling??) is on 35k a week at Chelsea.

Now that's bad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 29, 2013, 12:44:18 PM

Quote from: Shrek on June 29, 2013, 12:41:29 PM

Josh Macecaren (spelling??) is on 35k a week at Chelsea.

Now that's bad

Whooooo?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 12:44:51 PM

Stevens to me just looks incredibly average. He works hard, and overall he didn't do too badly slotting in when called upon. But we saw enough to see he's not Premiership standard. To be honest I think he'd struggle to standout in the Championship. I think we'll move him on now. Surely with two left backs in, and probably one or two 18-20 year olds coming up from the yoofs he'll find his chances limited to say the least.

Cannot fault the lads attitude though, so good luck to him. A club like Wolves would be good. In as much as they're a big club in League 1. Good chance of coming back up. He could have a good wedge of games there, make a name for himself and start working his way up the leagues a bit...Or to be less harsh on the lad, Sheff Utd perhaps. Lol.

I don't see the point in him staying here, just filling a spot in the reserves (if he's lucky). He'll lose a year of playing time at a crucial stage in his development. Unless he bides his time and starts breaking the legs on Bennett and Luna voodoo dolls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2013, 12:46:22 PM

Stevens is not a top level player, he works hard but that's it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 29, 2013, 01:43:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2013, 12:36:52 AM

Quote from: Small Rodent on June 28, 2013, 03:01:05 PM

To be honest, I had never heard of Belhanda before he was brought up on this thread. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I hadn't.

I know a bloke - Norwegian Villa fan - who is a sportsbook manager with a big European bookmaker, whose job basically entails watching football matches all over Europe, and he tells me Belhanda is a brilliant player, and that it'd be a coup to get him.

He watches Scandinavian football more than any, mind, and tells me Okore is a massive talent.

I've got my brother in law and nephew visiting for the first time since the end of the season. First words out were congratulations on signing Okore. They both watch a fair amount of Danish football and actually go to a few games when HB Køge are at home.  They both reckon Okore will be the best Danish centre half of the last 10 - 15 years.

When I mentioned Cornelius completely unprompted my brother in law said "poor man's Andy Carroll". This was followed up by describing Helenius as a poor man's Ibrahimavic. That should be qualified with we all think that Ibrahimavic is the puppies plums so is not quite a derogatory for Helenius as it might sound, but is definitely no recomendation for Cornelius

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 29, 2013, 01:47:57 PM

I'd take the poor man's Ibrahimovic any day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 29, 2013, 01:49:57 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on June 29, 2013, 10:28:48 AM

Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on June 29, 2013, 10:17:59 AM

I work with a Wolves fan who consistently raves about an attacking midfielder they have called Sako, and thinks he'd cut it in the Premier League.

My flatmate is a Wolves fan as well. Apparently he started the season pretty well but faded massively. Is completely one footed, which allowed even championship defenders to totally figure him out.
From what I've seen he is quite direct but doesn't work that hard, looks a little overweight and really wasn't particularly impressive to be honest, particularly for the £4m figures being quoted. A big no no from me.

No, no and no again. Sako Barko - load of hot air.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 01:52:29 PM

Bannan has a year left on his contract , not sure about the Fonz - cant see either getting a premiership team though- may both need to drop a division.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 29, 2013, 01:53:07 PM

Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 29, 2013, 01:47:57 PM

I'd take the poor man's Ibrahimovic any day.

Well yes especially as there is no such thing as a poor man's Andy Carroll. There is just Andy Carroll.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 02:51:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 01:52:29 PM

Bannan has a year left on his contract , not sure about the Fonz - cant see either getting a premiership team though- may both need to drop a division.

I think Fonzy needs a club that will keep him up through the middle. He's been on and off the wing for Blackpool. One thing that has worked against him for us, is that he's never seemed  comfortable any time we've pushed him out wide, despite having enough attributes that he should have done better there. Where-as you take Wiemann who should be even less suited to playing out wide, but took to it far better. Largely down to fantastic workrate and good movement into the middle.

It might actually help Nath to drop to league 1 for a season, or go to a lower end Champ club who'll give him 30-40 games through the middle. He didn't set the world alight at Blackpool by any stretch of the imagination.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 03:03:35 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2013, 02:51:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 01:52:29 PM

Bannan has a year left on his contract , not sure about the Fonz - cant see either getting a premiership team though- may both need to drop a division.

I think Fonzy needs a club that will keep him up through the middle. He's been on and off the wing for Blackpool. One thing that has worked against him for us, is that he's never seemed  comfortable any time we've pushed him out wide, despite having enough attributes that he should have done better there. Where-as you take Wiemann who should be even less suited to playing out wide, but took to it far better. Largely down to fantastic workrate and good movement into the middle.

It might actually help Nath to drop to league 1 for a season, or go to a lower end Champ club who'll give him 30-40 games through the middle. He didn't set the world alight at Blackpool by any stretch of the imagination.

I agree, he looked an exciting prospect but his finishing has been poor in the last 2 years- very much a player who relies on confidence i think and needs goals to prosper.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 03:04:57 PM

This forum is to quiet. Is everybody doing the dreaded shopping on Saturday because there is no footy ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2013, 03:06:47 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

Delfouneso on 20k a week seems very much an O Neill leftover to be honest. Perhaps if MON had a little more faith in Fonz, instead of persisting with Heskey, he might have developed better as a player. But putting him on 20k a week (okay meagre by the squad standards of 3-4 years ago) after a handful of games was silly.

Offered and signed when Houllier was manager. As per my earlier example, Gardner's deal expires in 12 months time - how much do you think he should be offered after a similar handful of games?

Bearing in mind the earlier post that the likes of Josh McEachran are on around £30k per week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2013, 03:08:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 03:04:57 PM

This forum is to quiet. Is everybody doing the dreaded shopping on Saturday because there is no footy ?

Laura robson is where its at danny :)
Regarding daves post , its a tricky one with Gardner , he has great potential but has had a couple of awful injuries - i would hope we can keep him on a new deal but he will want a decent wage comparable to the likes of Fonz and bannans I'd imagine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2013, 03:14:43 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 03:08:12 PM

Regarding daves post , its a tricky one with Gardner , he has great potential but has had a couple of awful injuries - i would hope we can keep him on a new deal but he will want a decent wage comparable to the likes of Fonz and bannans I'd imagine.

And that's the issue - promising players (and their advisors) know that they are promising and will want to be paid accordingly. If we don't put Gardner on a similar level the likes of Delfouneso and Bannan then I'm sure there will be plenty of clubs who will, which is probably just the situation it would have been with Nathan in 2011. With hindsight, that wouldn't really have been a big issue, just like it might not be with Gardner if he ends up leaving for a higher salary than we offer in twelve months time.

It could be very easy for us to be talking in two years time about the idiot that stupidly gave Gardner a £20k per week contract which means we're lumbered with him, just like we're doing now with Delfouneso.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 03:47:19 PM

Quote from: Dave on June 29, 2013, 03:06:47 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

Delfouneso on 20k a week seems very much an O Neill leftover to be honest. Perhaps if MON had a little more faith in Fonz, instead of persisting with Heskey, he might have developed better as a player. But putting him on 20k a week (okay meagre by the squad standards of 3-4 years ago) after a handful of games was silly.

Offered and signed when Houllier was manager. As per my earlier example, Gardner's deal expires in 12 months time - how much do you think he should be offered after a similar handful of games?

Bearing in mind the earlier post that the likes of Josh McEachran are on around £30k per week.

I'm surprised at that point Randy would have allowed that. Though I think Houllier seemed to rate Fonz a bit too, he gave him a few games I recall. He only got loaned out after Ged was off sick.

I guess what happens this season will dictate what Gardner is offered. I would think he'd be offered an extension perhaps at least. If he comes in and finally manages to show his promise then Lambo might give him a decent length contract on decent money. I don't see him getting close to McEchren.
I'd have no qualms giving one of our younger lads around 20k IF they were an important part of our plans and contributing.

For Fonz and Bannan, it's too much and they don't appear to be part of the long term plan. You'd also have to say, compared with some of our youngsters in recent times, these two have had some question marks over attitude at times. Again, maybe getting too much, too young for very little contributed to it. Certainly on the surface, Fonzy doesn't appear to have the work rate and determination of Wiemann, or that Gabby had back in the day. Wee Barry's occasional problems have been well covered on here too.

Lambert will always have replacements in line for whenever we lose a once promising youngster I guess. We have a lot of promising front men coming through, so Fonz won't be missed. I'm sure he'll do fine at a new club. He's at the age he needs to be playing regularly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 04:08:54 PM

Quote from: eastie on June 29, 2013, 03:08:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 03:04:57 PM

This forum is to quiet. Is everybody doing the dreaded shopping on Saturday because there is no footy ?

Laura robson is where its at danny :)
Regarding daves post , its a tricky one with Gardner , he has great potential but has had a couple of awful injuries - i would hope we can keep him on a new deal but he will want a decent wage comparable to the likes of Fonz and bannans I'd imagine.

I see what you mean. :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 29, 2013, 04:33:26 PM

Is the lass a looker?

What a player earns is distorted by what other players at the same club are earning. Chelsea pay big wages so it's no surprise that McEachran gets that much. I'm equally unsurprised by what Bannan and Delfouneso are on as at the times those deals were signed they were squad players making the odd start and when you have the likes of Ireland and Heskey on £60,000 per week it's fair enough that that kind of guy will make that much. We only think it sounds a lot because most of our regulars will be on not much more than that but go around the PL and I'd be unsurprised if there are a lot of young players taking home £20,000p/w+.

In Gardner's case if he signs a new deal next season he won't be much younger than some of the players we have brought in as starters and if he has a good season he'll be after the same kind of money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on June 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM

So, Jonathon Hogg is coming back..?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: berneboy on June 29, 2013, 05:02:51 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM

So, Jonathon Hogg is coming back..?

Where's this come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2013, 05:03:14 PM

I hope not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 29, 2013, 05:19:44 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 29, 2013, 04:33:26 PM

In Gardner's case if he signs a new deal next season he won't be much younger than some of the players we have brought in as starters and if he has a good season he'll be after the same kind of money.

GG has to have a good pre-season and force his way into the side. If he can do this, then I'm sure the club will make a good offer to him for a new contract. If he does not force his way into the reckoning he will - I'm sure - be offered an extension but on terms that do not equate to those of the likes of Weimann.
The ball is in his court.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 05:38:25 PM

Hoggy's done well at Watford but in all honesty, I can't see that happening. He'd probably just about cut it in top flight football at a club like Stoke, or one of the Promoted sides.
For us though? If Herd can't get a sniff, and he's a better player IMO, then no. If McLeish was still in charge you'd see why the link has appeared, but he's not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2013, 05:43:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 01:00:13 AM

I have seen him once and a couple of highlights, but other than that just youtube. Shame that it is not going to happen, as he looks like he could have been exactly the type of player to help us really kick on building a side that really worries others.

We certainly need a creative midfielder before this window is out. Or even just a central midfielder who can actually score a goal as Delph-Westwood-Sylla doesn't.

Don't know a huge amount about Belhanda but the exciting thing would be that when Montpellier won the league in 11/12 he was ever bit as influential as Hazard was for Lille so getting him for 10m sounds like good business as he could be that x factor type midfielder we struggle to attract (and the ones we do turn out bonkers).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 29, 2013, 06:22:05 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Who? Stevens or your sister's mate?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 29, 2013, 06:32:36 PM

Quote from: supertom on June 29, 2013, 12:44:51 PM

Stevens to me just looks incredibly average. He works hard, and overall he didn't do too badly slotting in when called upon. But we saw enough to see he's not Premiership standard. To be honest I think he'd struggle to standout in the Championship. I think we'll move him on now. Surely with two left backs in, and probably one or two 18-20 year olds coming up from the yoofs he'll find his chances limited to say the least.

Cannot fault the lads attitude though, so good luck to him. A club like Wolves would be good. In as much as they're a big club in League 1. Good chance of coming back up. He could have a good wedge of games there, make a name for himself and start working his way up the leagues a bit...Or to be less harsh on the lad, Sheff Utd perhaps. Lol.

I don't see the point in him staying here, just filling a spot in the reserves (if he's lucky). He'll lose a year of playing time at a crucial stage in his development. Unless he bides his time and starts breaking the legs on Bennett and Luna voodoo dolls.

He needs to spend the next season on loan really.  At the moment I'd say Bennett, Luna and Baker would all be preferred to him at LB and he really needs to be playing at this point in his career.  Send him away for a season to see how he does and make a decision next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2013, 06:53:26 PM

Think Stevens will be like Lichaj and sign for a championship club by the end of August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2013, 07:18:53 PM

I think we'll wait til we play Shamrock Rovers before off-loading Enda. Face-saving exercise for the lad. Gives him a few more weeks to fill his boots with Olney's sister's foolish mate and then he can sling his hook and move to Bray Wanderers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 29, 2013, 07:26:22 PM

players wages will be the death of the game
my Son used to play football with a lad who now plays for Bristol City, who I think are a middling div 1 side,
the player was back home last week and they went out for lunch,
 he arrived in a top of the range Merc and earns 6k a week, and its still 24 grand a month, which I know is chicken feed for a prem player, but its still bustingly good for a 22/23 year old reasonable at best footballer

I don't begrudge him, he's a nice lad to be fair,
 but footballers wages are just sky high, its the clubs managers and administraters that I blame, there might be a lot of money being pumped into the game, but most clubs are still living beyond there means and are massively in debt

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on June 29, 2013, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: berneboy on June 29, 2013, 05:02:51 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM

So, Jonathon Hogg is coming back..?

Where's this come from?

The "Hazzard County Evening Mail"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on June 29, 2013, 07:28:30 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 29, 2013, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: berneboy on June 29, 2013, 05:02:51 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM

So, Jonathon Hogg is coming back..?

Where's this come from?

The "Hazzard County Evening Mail"

oh dear. I feel a punathon coming

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2013, 07:33:36 PM

Don't want him back, wasn't he one of the players involved in the 'roasting' scandals?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Daholteend on June 29, 2013, 07:35:39 PM

Quote from: john e on June 29, 2013, 07:28:30 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on June 29, 2013, 07:26:43 PM

Quote from: berneboy on June 29, 2013, 05:02:51 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 29, 2013, 04:57:42 PM

So, Jonathon Hogg is coming back..?

Where's this come from?

The "Hazzard County Evening Mail"

oh dear. I feel a punathon coming

So?  Shall we Duke it out  or  what? Shall we  Hazzard a guess before this Hogg gets slaughtered!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Everybody's done her. Even Stevens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2013, 07:56:03 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Everybody's done her. Even Stevens.

arghh!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Daholteend on June 29, 2013, 08:07:55 PM

Quote from: Malandro on June 29, 2013, 07:56:03 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Everybody's done her. Even Stevens.

arghh!!!!!!!!!

Just getting his Enda way

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on June 29, 2013, 09:17:13 PM

I-rish you hadn't started on the puns.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 29, 2013, 09:20:38 PM

As the club previously stated - we are not in for Belhanda - the Premier League bid has apparently come from Arsenal - who are prepared to meet the Moroccans lavish wage demands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 29, 2013, 09:26:45 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on June 28, 2013, 11:13:24 PM

well the news broke a few days ago and nothings happened either end so i doubt this one will happen. he might be back up if plan a fails

Sry mate - must have missed your post about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 29, 2013, 09:35:09 PM

Hopefully this information won't be old hat.

Villa reported to have made inquiries about David Henen - Belgian wunderkid.  Currently at Anderlecht but yet to break through.

Little video - and no Jap Rock - which is disappointing - but instead I present you with a Daily Mail article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2307714/David-Henen-Manchester-United-transfer-target.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2307714/David-Henen-Manchester-United-transfer-target.html)

Which is always disappointing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2013, 09:47:57 PM

I'm happy being linked to young Belgians.  Their clubs have clearly found a good formula for developing talent in the last few years, too many top drawer players have come through together for it to be a fluke.  Add to that if they're under 18 they'll count as home grown when they're older, making them easier to keep in the squad and worth more money to other sides in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 09:48:50 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 29, 2013, 09:20:38 PM

As the club previously stated - we are not in for Belhanda - the Premier League bid has apparently come from Arsenal - who are prepared to meet the Moroccans lavish wage demands.

And Spurs and Newcastle, apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2013, 09:52:58 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 29, 2013, 09:48:50 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 29, 2013, 09:20:38 PM

As the club previously stated - we are not in for Belhanda - the Premier League bid has apparently come from Arsenal - who are prepared to meet the Moroccans lavish wage demands.

And Spurs and Newcastle, apparently.

Looks mostly like guesswork to be honest.

I can see him wanting more wages than we'd be comfortable giving to him without him having been with us for a year first.

Got me thinking though, I wonder if the club are considering offering a big raise as part of the initial contract offer, would seem sensible given the Benteke situation.  Something like "here's a 3 year deal on £x a week, after a year we'll add another year to the contract and double your wages if you achieve a, b, c, etc".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2013, 09:57:16 PM

I think it is Albion bidding for him. They need someone to help supply the ammo for Benteke and Weimann.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2013, 10:16:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2013, 09:57:16 PM

I think it is Albion bidding for him. They need someone to help supply the ammo for Benteke and Weimann.

They're not signing those two until next season when they're back in Mid-table in the championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 10:28:55 PM

Only thing that is for sure is that it is not us, and the only reason people are still linking us (like I was annoyed with Sky doing yesterday) is their Chairman naming us and no one else appearing to be strongly linked. It was always likely to be tittle tackle to force out Arsenal. Does he not have the same agent as Coutinho, who used us as a stalking horse for Liverpool in Jan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on June 29, 2013, 10:30:34 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on June 29, 2013, 04:26:13 PM

Ends Stevens has been banging one of my sister's mates. Bit of a twat apparently.

Everybody's done her. Even Stevens.

She's just trying to make Enda's meat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on June 29, 2013, 10:53:30 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-nacer-2010335

Not sure if this has been mentioned before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2013, 10:59:58 PM

Quote from: gervilla on June 29, 2013, 10:53:30 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-nacer-2010335

Not sure if this has been mentioned before.

Not seen much of him but I work with a lot of Twente fans (we have an office in Enschede) and they all rate him very highly, he's been mentioned regarding 3-4 clubs so he's been one we've asked them about.  Like everyone else we've been linked to and signed he's got good quick feet, confidence in his technique, is big, strong and pretty quick.  I can see why he'd be linked an I can understand there being an interest there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on June 30, 2013, 01:25:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 10:28:55 PM

Only thing that is for sure is that it is not us, and the only reason people are still linking us (like I was annoyed with Sky doing yesterday) is their Chairman naming us and no one else appearing to be strongly linked. It was always likely to be tittle tackle to force out Arsenal. Does he not have the same agent as Coutinho, who used us as a stalking horse for Liverpool in Jan?

Are Arsenal likely tobe interested when they already have Cazorla in that position?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:44:33 AM

By Dean Jones | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa have not yet had any enquiries over Darren Bent, writes Dean Jones of the Sunday People.

They are willing to sell the former England striker for £8million. Newcastle are the latest to weigh up a bid, but so far Villa have heard nothing.

Bent, 29, is their record signing as he cost £18m plus add-ons when he joined in 2011. But last season the forward started just 12 matches, and boss Paul Lambert has no plans for him as a regular first teamer next term.

Lambert’s main focus is on securing the future of Christian Benteke.

 

The 22-year-old front man has been offered an improved contract – but the striker’s head has been turned after being linked with Atletico Madrid, Tottenham and Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on June 30, 2013, 07:40:10 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

What a load of cack, I am pretty sure that Paul Lambert is not in the habit of buying players just to try and keep current players. Journalism today just gets worse and worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2013, 07:52:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 10:28:55 PM

Only thing that is for sure is that it is not us, and the only reason people are still linking us (like I was annoyed with Sky doing yesterday) is their Chairman naming us and no one else appearing to be strongly linked. It was always likely to be tittle tackle to force out Arsenal. Does he not have the same agent as Coutinho, who used us as a stalking horse for Liverpool in Jan?

I am still bitter about that episode. I was so hopeful :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 08:08:52 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2013, 07:52:06 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 29, 2013, 10:28:55 PM

Only thing that is for sure is that it is not us, and the only reason people are still linking us (like I was annoyed with Sky doing yesterday) is their Chairman naming us and no one else appearing to be strongly linked. It was always likely to be tittle tackle to force out Arsenal. Does he not have the same agent as Coutinho, who used us as a stalking horse for Liverpool in Jan?

I am still bitter about that episode. I was so hopeful :(

I noticed cisse called the Montpellier president  an arsehole yesterday - seems to be a bit unscrupulous.


Former Liverpool and France striker Cisse is a free agent after having his contract mutually terminated by QPR on Friday following their relegation from the Premier League.

The 31-year-old was left fuming earlier this week after Nicollin rejected the chance to sign him.

The Montpellier supremo insisted: “I do not want a guy who DJs in bars.”

Angry Cisse hit back on Twitter: “What a pity I have not made it to a nice club like Montpellier. It's a beautiful city with an idiot for a president.

“Thank you for the support, but I feel sorry for the fans.

“Having an a*****e for a president cannot be easy.”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2013, 08:26:42 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 30, 2013, 07:40:10 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

What a load of cack, I am pretty sure that Paul Lambert is not in the habit of buying players just to try and keep current players. Journalism today just gets worse and worse.

It's normally at it's worst on a Sunday. They tend to just write anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 08:42:06 AM

Indeed clampy , I'd be surprised if we are looking at anymore forward options at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 08:48:30 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2013, 08:26:42 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 30, 2013, 07:40:10 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

What a load of cack, I am pretty sure that Paul Lambert is not in the habit of buying players just to try and keep current players. Journalism today just gets worse and worse.

It's normally at it's worst on a Sunday. They tend to just write anything.

The only time Sunday papers are worth buying is to check the scores when the season is on. This time of year it is just a transfer market fuck fest.
Loads of made up stuff, just to fill the pages. Waste of space reading any of it in my view. Little snipits of truth followed by gargantuan amounts of bullshit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on June 30, 2013, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 08:48:30 AM

Quote from: Clampy on June 30, 2013, 08:26:42 AM

Quote from: manic-road on June 30, 2013, 07:40:10 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

What a load of cack, I am pretty sure that Paul Lambert is not in the habit of buying players just to try and keep current players. Journalism today just gets worse and worse.

It's normally at it's worst on a Sunday. They tend to just write anything.

The only time Sunday papers are worth buying is to check the scores when the season is on. This time of year it is just a transfer market fuck fest.
Loads of made up stuff, just to fill the pages. Waste of space reading any of it in my view. Little snipits of truth followed by gargantuan amounts of bullshit.

Yep they only have to do one days work and need to trump the bollcks written during the week

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2013, 10:20:11 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:47:01 AM

The story that ger linked to earlier-

By Matt Law | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa are ­targeting Belgium ­player Nacer Chadli as a new way of trying to keep Christian Benteke.

Villa have joined a host of clubs chasing FC Twente winger Chadli, who only has a year left to run on his contract.

And Villa hope that if they could sign Chadli it may help convince ­Benteke to stay at least another year.

Fulham, Tottenham, Liverpool and West Brom have also been tracking Chadli, who scored 16 goals for Twente last season.

 

Although Chadli has played on the wing for Twente, Lambert wants a creative spark to play in the hole and would consider moving the 23-year-old inside.

Lambert may also need to start moving on ­unwanted high-earners Darren Bent, Shay ­Given and Stephen ­Ireland before ­launching a firm bid.

It's cock. Doesn't this guy play the same role as Tonev will?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 30, 2013, 10:38:38 AM

It may be cock but that won't stop me posting some youtube showreels....

 

As far as the cockometer goes - I don't think this rumour rises much above a semi - not when we have full blown throbbin knobbage like Stewie D and the bus that is Gareth Barry being touted - those stories are the King Dong's of football journalism.

This lad, young Dennis Praet from Anderlecht, or Hiroshi Kiyotake from Nuremberg - I would welcome them all.  Because they are modern footballers - as in - they can play almost anywhere - all have good control - good vision - and can shoot on target.  Goals from midfield is what we can expect from Lambert's Villa next season methinks.

Cock on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 30, 2013, 10:55:03 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:44:33 AM

By Dean Jones | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa have not yet had any enquiries over Darren Bent, writes Dean Jones of the Sunday People.

They are willing to sell the former England striker for £8million. Newcastle are the latest to weigh up a bid, but so far Villa have heard nothing.

This isn't quite correct.  Villa did in fact hear something.  A call was taken from the North East - the transcript follows.

Mystery Voice. " Hello?  Hello?  Is there any f**ker there?  Why does no tosser answer the phone to me?

Aston Villa.... Hello, Aston Villa Football Club, how can we help you?

Mystery Voice. - For F**cks sake - - that ars*hole Bent - useless lazy goalhanging tw*t if you ask me - but Pard's is f*ckin desperate the gurning f*ckwit - how much then eh?  I'll give you £4 f**kin mill and Sammi the sh*t Amoeba you c*nts.  What do you say to that then?

Aston Villa - Goodbye.

Mystery Voice - Hello?  Hello?  For f*cks sake.  (aside) Mike?  Mikey boy u pedo?  The line's gone bleeding dead again Mike - get the f*cking phones sorted in this sh*thole will you - this is the twenty seventh bleeding time this week.  Useless Geordie t*ssers.  (Line goes dead).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on June 30, 2013, 12:29:42 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 30, 2013, 10:55:03 AM

Quote from: eastie on June 30, 2013, 06:44:33 AM

By Dean Jones | 29/06/13 

Aston Villa have not yet had any enquiries over Darren Bent, writes Dean Jones of the Sunday People.

They are willing to sell the former England striker for £8million. Newcastle are the latest to weigh up a bid, but so far Villa have heard nothing.

This isn't quite correct.  Villa did in fact hear something.  A call was taken from the North East - the transcript follows.

Mystery Voice. " Hello?  Hello?  Is there any f**ker there?  Why does no tosser answer the phone to me?

Aston Villa.... Hello, Aston Villa Football Club, how can we help you?

Mystery Voice. - For F**cks sake - - that ars*hole Bent - useless lazy goalhanging tw*t if you ask me - but Pard's is f*ckin desperate the gurning f*ckwit - how much then eh?  I'll give you £4 f**kin mill and Sammi the sh*t Amoeba you c*nts.  What do you say to that then?

Aston Villa - Goodbye.

Mystery Voice - Hello?  Hello?  For f*cks sake.  (aside) Mike?  Mikey boy u pedo?  The line's gone bleeding dead again Mike - get the f*cking phones sorted in this sh*thole will you - this is the twenty seventh bleeding time this week.  Useless Geordie t*ssers.  (Line goes dead).

He'd actually make an enquiry for the availability and price for David Brent

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on June 30, 2013, 12:53:37 PM

We keep hearing that Lambert's after a 'Number 10' type player but I think he'll probably go into the pre-season games looking to try both Tonev and Bacuna in this role before spending any more money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 30, 2013, 01:27:18 PM

It might be good idea to see those players in action before spending much bigger money. The market haven't got the money to buy medium range of players ie 10-20 millions

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bradsbaldhead on June 30, 2013, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2013, 12:53:37 PM

We keep hearing that Lambert's after a 'Number 10' type player but I think he'll probably go into the pre-season games looking to try both Tonev and Bacuna in this role before spending any more money.

Helenius might fill that role too depending on the formation. Surprised we're being linked to so many players in this position i.e Belhana, Chadli etc as we already have Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius who can play there along with people further down the line like N'Zogbia/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 02:15:31 PM

Demba Ba, uhh what..?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2013, 02:24:03 PM

You can put a solid YouTube collection together for Marlon Harewood. Those two might be the shittest collections for a potential player ever, especially the first.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 30, 2013, 02:43:12 PM

Demba Ba indeed ... can't say that one tickles me fancy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2013, 03:21:03 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 30, 2013, 02:43:12 PM

Demba Ba indeed ... can't say that one tickles me fancy

Sunday Times says the Tesco Bags are after Ba, either on loan or perm.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hipkiss92 on June 30, 2013, 03:32:27 PM

Quote from: bradsbaldhead on June 30, 2013, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2013, 12:53:37 PM

We keep hearing that Lambert's after a 'Number 10' type player but I think he'll probably go into the pre-season games looking to try both Tonev and Bacuna in this role before spending any more money.

Helenius might fill that role too depending on the formation. Surprised we're being linked to so many players in this position i.e Belhana, Chadli etc as we already have Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius who can play there along with people further down the line like N'Zogbia/

I'd like to see someone like Grealish/Carruthers/Gardner in that role during pre season as well, promoting from the academy would save money after all. (Though knowing Lambert we'll probably spend about 250k on some absolute world beater of a No 10)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bradsbaldhead on June 30, 2013, 03:50:17 PM

Quote from: hipkiss92 on June 30, 2013, 03:32:27 PM

Quote from: bradsbaldhead on June 30, 2013, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2013, 12:53:37 PM

We keep hearing that Lambert's after a 'Number 10' type player but I think he'll probably go into the pre-season games looking to try both Tonev and Bacuna in this role before spending any more money.

Helenius might fill that role too depending on the formation. Surprised we're being linked to so many players in this position i.e Belhana, Chadli etc as we already have Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius who can play there along with people further down the line like N'Zogbia/

I'd like to see someone like Grealish/Carruthers/Gardner in that role during pre season as well, promoting from the academy would save money after all. (Though knowing Lambert we'll probably spend about 250k on some absolute world beater of a No 10)

Another good point. This has to be Carruthers' breakthrough season this year as he's too old for the NextGen team now as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 30, 2013, 03:58:04 PM

Quote from: RussellC on June 30, 2013, 12:53:37 PM

We keep hearing that Lambert's after a 'Number 10' type player but I think he'll probably go into the pre-season games looking to try both Tonev and Bacuna in this role before spending any more money.

Bacuna is more of a box-to-box midfielder so I doubt it. Tonev most likely will though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 04:30:38 PM

Saw that we are after Gregory Sertic from Bordeaux.. certainly he's a number 10?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on June 30, 2013, 06:58:54 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 04:30:38 PM

Saw that we are after Gregory Sertic from Bordeaux.. certainly he's a number 10?

Hope not. He is one of those who burst on the scene about 3/4 years ago but hasn't really progressed much since. I'd hope we are after better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 30, 2013, 07:22:30 PM

Same Danish paper that had Okore have us interested in someone I can remember.

do a French website I can't translate suggest you know who will join villa on Monday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on June 30, 2013, 07:24:18 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 04:30:38 PM

Saw that we are after Gregory Sertic from Bordeaux.. certainly he's a number 10?

Downing .....Number 10 ?  , although I don,t think he,s streets ahead! ...................................................Godzvilla !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 07:48:30 PM

Are classic 10s part of Lamberts plans? We already have sylla weimann tonev helenuis and bacuna nzogbia  gabby to play lamberts kind of 10 role. kaka would be amazing like pires before

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:49:12 PM

In what sense was Pires amazing?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2013, 07:51:37 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:49:12 PM

In what sense was Pires amazing?

I think he means in the manner that he didn't ever complain about his weekly salary for doing very little.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on June 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM

I would suggest Paulie, that he means during his Arsenal heyday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 07:52:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:49:12 PM

In what sense was Pires amazing?

In the sense of still being able to get paid as a footballer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 07:52:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:49:12 PM

In what sense was Pires amazing?

In the sense of still being able to get paid as a footballer.

Fletcher summed him up brilliantly on here.

"It was like watching a fan who'd run on the pitch".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2013, 07:53:33 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 07:48:30 PM

Are classic 10s part of Lamberts plans? We already have sylla weimann tonev helenuis and bacuna nzogbia  gabby to play lamberts kind of 10 role. kaka would be amazing like pires before

I'm not having that.

The first two sentences we're fine, so much so I checked the poster again, but that last line was thrown in for effect.

I'm not biting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 07:55:55 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on June 30, 2013, 07:52:15 PM

I would suggest Paulie, that he means during his Arsenal heyday.

OUI!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 08:03:08 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:53:23 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 07:52:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2013, 07:49:12 PM

In what sense was Pires amazing?

In the sense of still being able to get paid as a footballer.

Fletcher summed him up brilliantly on here.

"It was like watching a fan who'd run on the pitch".

Where is fletch ? Has he joined the gnasher  on the scrapheap?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2013, 08:23:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 30, 2013, 07:22:30 PM

Same Danish paper that had Okore have us interested in someone I can remember.

do a French website I can't translate suggest you know who will join villa on Monday.

Is it me or is this post incomprehensible?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2013, 08:31:54 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Erm, have you taken your medication today, VK?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on June 30, 2013, 08:37:22 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Yes indeedy, great joy in the fundemold....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on June 30, 2013, 08:39:44 PM

clearly VK's drugs don't work anymore

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2013, 08:44:58 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

I think Babelfish has just exploded. Could you please explain what this means?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:47:39 PM

Sozzie  all very confusing Ive been saying Aha Angry Blob Gob instead of Gabby Agbonlahor - you get me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 08:54:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:47:39 PM

Sozzie  all very confusing Ive been saying Aha Angry Blob Gob instead of Gabby Agbonlahor - you get me

Erm...I think so. Is it Trevor Francis Tone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on June 30, 2013, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 08:54:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:47:39 PM

Sozzie  all very confusing Ive been saying Aha Angry Blob Gob instead of Gabby Agbonlahor - you get me

Erm...I think so. Is it Trevor Francis Tone?

On yer bike ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on June 30, 2013, 09:05:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Agents? Where we are going we don't need agents.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2013, 09:12:18 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 30, 2013, 08:54:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:47:39 PM

Sozzie  all very confusing Ive been saying Aha Angry Blob Gob instead of Gabby Agbonlahor - you get me

Erm...I think so. Is it Trevor Francis Tone?

Yeah you've won, you're the nearest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on June 30, 2013, 09:14:26 PM

I see Thomas Ince could be on his way to Cardiff.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:23:19 PM

The Sunday Mirror, you just have to love that paper, sorry, rag. Every striker in the prem is for sale for 25 million, apart from Rooney, who Arsenal have offered 20 million for. Guffaw, guffaw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on June 30, 2013, 09:27:21 PM

Is Ince that good ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:33:45 PM

No.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on June 30, 2013, 09:59:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Well he's just been unveilled alongside Jermaine Lens and Mbokani at Dynamo's stadium so pretty concrete.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on June 30, 2013, 10:03:57 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

It's twitter talk.  Number of tweets saying he chooses Kiev - reports of him in Kiev with photos - obviously he is putting his football first and foregoing the lavish payday.... erm?

Now on official Kiev webpage.  He has been given squad number 90.  How many players have they got?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 30, 2013, 10:12:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Fucking hell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 10:12:19 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 30, 2013, 09:59:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Well he's just been unveilled alongside Jermaine Lens and Mbokani at Dynamo's stadium so pretty concrete.

I wonder what his wages will be. Truly don't think we were actually after him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on June 30, 2013, 10:13:16 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:47:39 PM

Sozzie  all very confusing Ive been saying Aha Angry Blob Gob instead of Gabby Agbonlahor - you get me

VK...are you saying...that you are Joe Kinnear?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 10:12:19 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 30, 2013, 09:59:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Well he's just been unveilled alongside Jermaine Lens and Mbokani at Dynamo's stadium so pretty concrete.

I wonder what his wages will be. Truly don't think we were actually after him.

We never were. As our ITK said, "Where the story came from I don't know."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on June 30, 2013, 11:01:13 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 30, 2013, 09:59:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Well he's just been unveilled alongside Jermaine Lens and Mbokani at Dynamo's stadium so pretty concrete.

Still think its BS and he'll be unveiled as a villa player by Wednesday. I call it the  "David Unsworth"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on June 30, 2013, 11:07:46 PM

Mbokani is the lad that Albion were looking at to replace Lukaku wasn't he? Interesting stuff.

I do hope we sign a creative, bums off seats type of player before the window is out that we can see take some of the burden away from Benteke and give us another dimension going forward. And cover for right back. And...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2013, 11:21:07 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 30, 2013, 10:12:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Fucking hell.

Don't you mean "Great Scot!" ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 11:41:14 PM

I m watching brasil espana and absorbing affair intensity of crowd. Anyway my point is have villa ever had a Brazilian player ?!! I dont ever recall any - i also dont think Lambie would take a Brazilian player which is a shame!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 01, 2013, 01:21:03 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 11:41:14 PM

I m watching brasil espana and absorbing affair intensity of crowd. Anyway my point is have villa ever had a Brazilian player ?!! I dont ever recall any - i also dont think Lambie would take a Brazilian player which is a shame!

he tried to sign coutiho in jan before he went to liverpool so he would defiantly sign a brazilian

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 01, 2013, 01:29:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on June 30, 2013, 11:21:07 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on June 30, 2013, 10:12:03 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 08:30:19 PM

I think Pires and Kaka deals would be eclipsed if Lambert could get a deal for £100 on players like Willie Groves and there are rumours scientist Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown is an advisor so travelling back to 1892 could make this happen. However th currently there is a  stumbling block with the terror laws in accessing and purchasing plutonium. Villa would look to world domination as time travel would allow Vila to bring in world class players on smaller fees than todays market a loophole they hope to exploit with the backing and support of David Cameron and future King- William. Sources understand there is real hope in making transfer rumours and speculation a thing of the past and future. Personally i am sceptical as the clock tower needs saving and till we sell and move on a few high earners of the wage bill - i think any more expediture could be unwise.

Fucking hell.

Don't you mean "Great Scot!" ?

Ha ha, yes!  Mine was just a rough translation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on July 01, 2013, 03:34:13 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on June 30, 2013, 11:07:46 PM

Mbokani is the lad that Albion were looking at to replace Lukaku wasn't he? Interesting stuff.

I do hope we sign a creative, bums off seats type of player before the window is out that we can see take some of the burden away from Benteke and give us another dimension going forward. And cover for right back. And...

I hope for the same thing. Someone to draw defensive attention away from Benteke. Hopefully our wide play improves so much that the No. 10, whoever it may be, can bag some goals himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 01, 2013, 07:11:53 AM

So the transfer window is open and that great literary oracle the sun lists the Villa targets as Remy, Adebayor and Defoe. Lazy lazy journalism, no insight no understanding of the journey and just plain wrong!  Perhaps the fact Benteke is listed as a Spurs target explains it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 01, 2013, 07:26:59 AM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 01, 2013, 07:11:53 AM

So the transfer window is open and that great literary oracle the sun lists the Villa targets as Remy, Adebayor and Defoe. Lazy lazy journalism, no insight no understanding of the journey and just plain wrong!  Perhaps the fact Benteke is listed as a Spurs target explains it!

I hear we are also in for Robbie Keane, Carlton Palmer and Danny Blanchflower.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2013, 07:53:45 AM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 01, 2013, 07:11:53 AM

So the transfer window is open and that great literary oracle the sun lists the Villa targets as Remy, Adebayor and Defoe. Lazy lazy journalism, no insight no understanding of the journey and just plain wrong!  Perhaps the fact Benteke is listed as a Spurs target explains it!

Why didn't Barry take the penalty?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 08:21:25 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

Quote from: villadelph on June 30, 2013, 10:12:19 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on June 30, 2013, 09:59:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on June 30, 2013, 09:11:27 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2013, 08:15:56 PM

Belhanda gone Dynamo Kiev so we can all go back to never heard of him.

Is that concrete SoccerHQ ? Or just paper talk mate ?

Well he's just been unveilled alongside Jermaine Lens and Mbokani at Dynamo's stadium so pretty concrete.

I wonder what his wages will be. Truly don't think we were actually after him.

We never were. As our ITK said, "Where the story came from I don't know."

The story came from their president obviously trying to drum up interest and using our good name to suit his purpose - odious little twerp.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 01, 2013, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on June 30, 2013, 10:03:57 PM

It's twitter talk.  Number of tweets saying he chooses Kiev - reports of him in Kiev with photos - obviously he is putting his football first and foregoing the lavish payday.... erm?

It seems like he had the choice of Ukraine or Abu Dhabi.

I'd say that he chose the better footballing option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 10:05:10 AM

By james nursey.

Wolves want Aston Villa striker Nathan Delfouneso after he was made available as part of Paul Lambert's on-going shake-up.

Boss Lambert has already signed six players this summer and released Richard Dunne and Eric Lichaj.

He will also listen to offers for Darren Bent, Shay Given, Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland.

And now he has told Delfouneso, Enda Stevens and Barry Bannan to go too.

Wolves have already opened talks about taking former England U-21 striker Delfouneso,22, on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on July 01, 2013, 10:06:37 AM

That would be a good move for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 01, 2013, 10:14:44 AM

if there is no interest in Premier League / Serie A / La Liga and Bungelisa there must be a good reason why the clubs are not interested in him. Let say 80 clubs can't be wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 01, 2013, 10:32:33 AM

The Fonz would be ok at that level but he's not for us I'm afraid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2013, 10:47:21 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 01, 2013, 10:32:33 AM

The Fonz would be ok at that level but he's not for us I'm afraid

I said elsewhere that Wolves would be an ideal club for him. They're in League 1 now, but strong enough to come straight back up to the Champ. It's ideal for Fonz if he goes there as their main focal point up front. It'll give him a chance to really show himself as a goal scorer. If he goes there and scores 20 odd for them and they go up, it'll help his development no end. Another 15-20 in the Championship and he'll work his way back to the Prem, with a new club or possibly with Wolves.
Likewise, it's a good club for Bannan. I think he needs to either go to League 1 or the SPL. There he can look a cut above, and as long as he grafts too it could help him as well. I think he'd find it harder than he might think in the Championship.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on July 01, 2013, 10:55:34 AM

The problem with The Fonz is he hasn't stood out at championship level enough to suggest he would definitely make it at there, let alone the PL.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 11:01:30 AM

Quote from: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

Yes sir yes sir, 2 bags full.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2013, 11:17:39 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 01, 2013, 10:55:34 AM

The problem with The Fonz is he hasn't stood out at championship level enough to suggest he would definitely make it at there, let alone the PL.

I think that's why Wolves are a good match for him. Aside from the closeness, it's gonna be League 1. That's where he'd really need to do the business. If he can't make it there, he'll go the Stefan Moore route probably. If he scores 20 goals, he may well get a chance to have another stab in the Champ and be readier for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2013, 11:19:06 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 11:01:30 AM

Quote from: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

Yes sir yes sir, 2 bags full.

Dunno if I could see that happening to be honest. Unless Lambert doesn't rate Clark and/or Baker. He may also be wary of Vlaar's injury record.
It is Twitter though, so huge pinch of salt taken.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 01, 2013, 11:35:13 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2013, 11:19:06 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 11:01:30 AM

Quote from: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

Yes sir yes sir, 2 bags full.

Dunno if I could see that happening to be honest. Unless Lambert doesn't rate Clark and/or Baker. He may also be wary of Vlaar's injury record.
It is Twitter though, so huge pinch of salt taken.

We are probably being used as a stalking horse again, like Bellhanda.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 01, 2013, 11:47:44 AM

6'6" according to wikipedia

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 01, 2013, 11:53:44 AM

Bit old then ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2013, 11:59:49 AM

The Ba thing ,  was mentioned on a web site 5 days ago


cant see  it  myself , unless Clark is off , which I doubt

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 01, 2013, 12:11:48 PM

We were linked to Ba in January, but I can’t see us still being interested now we’ve got Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2013, 12:28:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 11:41:14 PM

I m watching brasil espana and absorbing affair intensity of crowd. Anyway my point is have villa ever had a Brazilian player ?!! I dont ever recall any - i also dont think Lambie would take a Brazilian player which is a shame!

Yes Bannan is Brazilian!
His full name is  Hose Itdowna Witha Tenpintoflager Bannan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 01, 2013, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

I hope that he signs. There's plenty of Julian Cope / Teardrop Explodes songs where "Ba" is just about the extent of the lyrics, so sorting out a chant will be easy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on July 01, 2013, 12:54:29 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 01, 2013, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: crewster73 on July 01, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Twitter rumours that we are in for Ba of Porto. Another CB??

I hope that he signs. There's plenty of Julian Cope / Teardrop Explodes songs where "Ba" is just about the extent of the lyrics, so sorting out a chant will be easy

Greatness and Perfection...One of my favourites

Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba
Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba
Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba
Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 10:05:10 AM

By james nursey.

Wolves want Aston Villa striker Nathan Delfouneso after he was made available as part of Paul Lambert's on-going shake-up.

Boss Lambert has already signed six players this summer and released Richard Dunne and Eric Lichaj.

He will also listen to offers for Darren Bent, Shay Given, Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland.

And now he has told Delfouneso, Enda Stevens and Barry Bannan to go too.

Wolves have already opened talks about taking former England U-21 striker Delfouneso,22, on loan.

I note that they're opening talks about a loan; I'm sure we'd want him off the books.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2013, 02:01:56 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 01, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 10:05:10 AM

By james nursey.

Wolves want Aston Villa striker Nathan Delfouneso after he was made available as part of Paul Lambert's on-going shake-up.

Boss Lambert has already signed six players this summer and released Richard Dunne and Eric Lichaj.

He will also listen to offers for Darren Bent, Shay Given, Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland.

And now he has told Delfouneso, Enda Stevens and Barry Bannan to go too.

Wolves have already opened talks about taking former England U-21 striker Delfouneso,22, on loan.

I note that they're opening talks about a loan; I'm sure we'd want him off the books.

Season long with option to buy at the end if they go back up? How long's he got left on his current deal? Either way, as long as they're paying all, or most of, his wages, I don't mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 02:10:57 PM

@sportbbcwm: #wolves boss Kenny Jackett discussing latest news inc Murphy move from Crewe to Leeds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2013, 02:17:28 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 02:10:57 PM

@sportbbcwm: #wolves boss Kenny Jackett discussing latest news inc Murphy move from Crewe to Leeds.

Probably goes in the Other Clubs transfers now eastie, doesn't look like we've ever been in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on July 01, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

According to local radio in Yorkshire he is having medical and discussing terms before signing for Leeds this morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 01, 2013, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: fredm on July 01, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

According ta wireless in Yorkshire he is having medical and discussing terms before signing for Leeds this morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 05:26:08 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 01, 2013, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: fredm on July 01, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

According ta carrier pigeon in Yorkshire he is having medical and discussing terms before signing for Leeds this morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 05:32:11 PM

@MatKendrick: Samir Carruthers, Graham Burke and Mikey Drennan have all signed new #avfc contracts

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2013, 05:34:44 PM

Interesting to see if Carruthers starts to get involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 01, 2013, 06:01:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 05:26:08 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 01, 2013, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: fredm on July 01, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

According ta carrier pigeon in Yorkshire he is having medical and discussing terms before signing for Leeds this morning.

According t`carrier pigeon in t`Republic of Yorkshire, he is having t`medical and being told his terms before being told to sign for t`Leeds this very dawn. Whippet and flat cap are part of t`deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2013, 06:44:49 PM

@MatKendrick: So Crewe midfielder Luke Murphy has joined Leeds then. Villa have had him watched, but were not quite keen enough to make a move #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 01, 2013, 07:00:17 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 01, 2013, 01:21:03 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 11:41:14 PM

I m watching brasil espana and absorbing affair intensity of crowd. Anyway my point is have villa ever had a Brazilian player ?!! I dont ever recall any - i also dont think Lambie would take a Brazilian player which is a shame!

he tried to sign coutiho in jan before he went to liverpool so he would defiantly sign a brazilian

countinho was pure rumour like belhanda lambie doesn't afford this sort mainly his hands are tied but he ain't one for mavericks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 01, 2013, 07:31:20 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on July 01, 2013, 06:01:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 01, 2013, 05:26:08 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 01, 2013, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: fredm on July 01, 2013, 02:39:18 PM

According ta carrier pigeon in Yorkshire he is having medical and discussing terms before signing for Leeds this morning.

According t`carrier pigeon in t`Republic of Yorkshire, he is having t`medical and being told his terms before being told to sign for t`Leeds this very dawn. Whippet and flat cap are part of t`deal.

An' ah'll tell thee this fer nowt, he's a reet bobby dazzler

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 01, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

Twatter rumours that Arsenal have bid £22m + a player for Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 07:46:36 PM

if they have, and I don't believe a word of it, then the guy's as good as gone. just a question of money. it always is

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2013, 07:48:24 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 01, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

Twatter rumours that Arsenal have bid £22m + a player for Benteke

I don't ever see Lambert accepting a deal for a player, irrespective of his quality that he hasn't done extensive work and research on. The Stephen Ireland nightmare aside, Lambert seems to go out of his way to find specific types of players/personalities and the last thing he's going to want is someone else's disgruntled cast offs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 07:51:02 PM

could not agree more. If Benteke goes it will be for cold hard cash only and lots of it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 01, 2013, 08:05:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 01, 2013, 07:00:17 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 01, 2013, 01:21:03 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on June 30, 2013, 11:41:14 PM

I m watching brasil espana and absorbing affair intensity of crowd. Anyway my point is have villa ever had a Brazilian player ?!! I dont ever recall any - i also dont think Lambie would take a Brazilian player which is a shame!

he tried to sign coutiho in jan before he went to liverpool so he would defiantly sign a brazilian

countinho was pure rumour like belhanda lambie doesn't afford this sort mainly his hands are tied but he ain't one for mavericks.

I think Coutinho has the same agent as Belhanda, too.

I'm not sure he has no time for mavericks, it's just we aren't at the stage in the squad's redevelopment where such signings make sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 01, 2013, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 07:46:36 PM

if they have, and I don't believe a word of it, then the guy's as good as gone. just a question of money. it always is

As good as gone?  I don't think so, he's contracted to us for another three years. If we don't want to sell him, we don't sell him - and I reckon we don't want to sell him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 08:33:08 PM

I really hope you are right but if the right offer comes in from the right type of club I honestly think he  and/or his agent will agitate enough to force a move. I want him to stay a Villa player for at least another season but 30m plus add ons from a CL club will be very hard to ignore on both sides.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 01, 2013, 08:37:48 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 01, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

Twatter rumours that Arsenal have bid £22m + a player for Benteke

Quote from: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 07:46:36 PM

if they have, and I don't believe a word of it, then the guy's as good as gone. just a question of money. it always is

Quote from: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 07:51:02 PM

could not agree more. If Benteke goes it will be for cold hard cash only and lots of it

Aren't you contradicting yourself there?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 01, 2013, 08:42:27 PM

Modest spenders Arsenal are going to buy Higuain and then Benteke too, are they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 09:03:04 PM

nothing contradictory in what I said. I don't believe a bid has been put in yet by anyone, and for one to ever be accepted, it would have to be straight cash not part ex. And as far as I am aware Arsenal have not yet bought a new forward, but who knows, they may buy two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 01, 2013, 09:11:42 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 01, 2013, 09:03:04 PM

nothing contradictory in what I said. I don't believe a bid has been put in yet by anyone, and for one to ever be accepted, it would have to be straight cash not part ex. And as far as I am aware Arsenal have not yet bought a new forward, but who knows, they may buy two.

You said that if the bid's gone in the player's "as good as gone".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 01, 2013, 09:31:32 PM

Confused which thread to post the benteke chat. Anyways are the above posts saying that once an official bid is placed then this will make himwant to move on even if bid not accepted? Basically are you saying benteke is one who would kick up a stinky if he doesn't get a transfer if he moves/has his way. From what i see hear and read of him and agent they seem fine with situation and respect villa and want to see what we offer him. Is the OP on this matter saying once a bid is in for benteke that's it he is leaving?? I think only club can decide if they want him and sounds like they do. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on July 01, 2013, 09:36:05 PM

Question: Has Twitter provided any use to anybody? It's just noise and platform for idiot to post anything they want to get spun around the internet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on July 01, 2013, 09:37:33 PM

Quote from: DB on July 01, 2013, 09:36:05 PM

Question: Has Twitter provided any use to anybody? It's just noise and platform for idiot to post anything they want to get spun around the internet.

No

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 01, 2013, 09:44:12 PM

If Arsene decides he really wants him then there is jack all we can do about it. I don't think Arsene wants him that much though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2013, 09:44:44 PM

Its great for a bit of entertainment through the transfer window. People claiming others to be proper ITK, then a deal does not happen and they are full of shit, while another ITK knows more and they start their ITK bullshit flinging war. Fab fun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Lsvilla on July 01, 2013, 09:49:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 01, 2013, 09:44:12 PM

If Arsene decides he really wants him then there is jack all we can do about it. I don't think Arsene wants him that much though.

Just bought a striker from Auxerre according to SSN - Yaya somebody - apologies but the ticker has disappeared and I cant remember the surname

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 01, 2013, 09:51:31 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 01, 2013, 09:44:44 PM

Its great for a bit of entertainment through the transfer window. People claiming others to be proper ITK, then a deal does not happen and they are full of shit, while another ITK knows more and they start their ITK bullshit flinging war. Fab fun.

I suppose those people could get out more. Mind you, judging by the number of people in the pub who spend their time in there just gazing at and flicking through their smart phones, they probably do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2013, 10:01:38 PM

Quote from: lsvilla on July 01, 2013, 09:49:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 01, 2013, 09:44:12 PM

If Arsene decides he really wants him then there is jack all we can do about it. I don't think Arsene wants him that much though.

Just bought a striker from Auxerre according to SSN - Yaya somebody - apologies but the ticker has disappeared and I cant remember the surname

There was a yellow ticker???


Where is Eastie when you need him!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 01, 2013, 10:06:10 PM

Yaya Sanogo 20 years old.

Sorry for stealing Eastie's thunder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 01, 2013, 10:15:28 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 01, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

Twatter rumours that Arsenal have bid £22m + a player for Benteke

Just as long as the player is Jack Wilshere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 01, 2013, 10:17:24 PM

Let's not get involved with the Twatteratri.  I could post anything on there and some desperate no mark will pick it up and run with it.... major BS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:22:15 PM

Surely the trick with Twitter is to see who is posting said nonsense.

For example, that @ASTVIL123 or whatever his name is, who posts every third tweet about Villa, and refers to being ITK, and "asking around" on rumours, despite looking about 14, if he posted something, I'd file it under "not really likely to be true".

If Kendrick, or any other non tabloid journo, posted something, though, I would imagine there would be a far, far higher likelihood of it being true.

So, basically, it isn't "twitter is a load of crap" - that's like saying "well, the medium of ink on paper is a load of crap" - it isn't the medium, it is who is saying it.

I don't know why so many people struggle with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2013, 10:22:44 PM

Only striker Arsenal will sign this window will be Higuain. (Rooney will go Chelsea if anywhere I reckon) They have Giroud and Podolski as back up and Walcott can play up there so that's more than enough imo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:23:32 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2013, 10:22:44 PM

Only striker Arsenal will sign this window will be Higuain. (Rooney will go Chelsea if anywhere I reckon) They have Giroud and Podolski as back up and Walcott can play up there so that's more than enough imo.

Except for the one they've signed today, obvs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 01, 2013, 10:28:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:22:15 PM

Surely the trick with Twitter is to see who is posting said nonsense.

For example, that @ASTVIL123 or whatever his name is, who posts every third tweet about Villa, and refers to being ITK, and "asking around" on rumours, despite looking about 14, if he posted something, I'd file it under "not really likely to be true".

If Kendrick, or any other non tabloid journo, posted something, though, I would imagine there would be a far, far higher likelihood of it being true.

So, basically, it isn't "twitter is a load of crap" - that's like saying "well, the medium of ink on paper is a load of crap" - it isn't the medium, it is who is saying it.

I don't know why so many people struggle with that.

The major difference being that anybody can sign up to Twatter and not everybody gets in to journalism.  So I could Twat "Benteke to Gooner's for £22m plus Theo"  but might not be able to influence The Guardian into printing  "Villa accept £22m and Walcott for wantaway Benteke".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2013, 10:31:13 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2013, 07:48:24 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 01, 2013, 07:42:07 PM

Twatter rumours that Arsenal have bid £22m + a player for Benteke

I don't ever see Lambert accepting a deal for a player, irrespective of his quality that he hasn't done extensive work and research on. The Stephen Ireland nightmare aside, Lambert seems to go out of his way to find specific types of players/personalities and the last thing he's going to want is someone else's disgruntled cast offs.

True. But who's to say that he hasn't looked at Ramsey, Miyaichi or one of the other young up and coming players there, either during his time at Norwich or with us. He might know plenty about them, but the conditions weren't right to sign them previously. 

Not that I want to give any credence to this shite, of course.  But there could well be detailed dossiers on plenty of players that we haven't signed, as well as the ones we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2013, 10:31:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:23:32 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2013, 10:22:44 PM

Only striker Arsenal will sign this window will be Higuain. (Rooney will go Chelsea if anywhere I reckon) They have Giroud and Podolski as back up and Walcott can play up there so that's more than enough imo.

Except for the one they've signed today, obvs.

Sanogo will probably just play in the Carling cup and get loaned out somewhere second half of the season, not a first team signing just yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:54:15 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 01, 2013, 10:28:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2013, 10:22:15 PM

Surely the trick with Twitter is to see who is posting said nonsense.

For example, that @ASTVIL123 or whatever his name is, who posts every third tweet about Villa, and refers to being ITK, and "asking around" on rumours, despite looking about 14, if he posted something, I'd file it under "not really likely to be true".

If Kendrick, or any other non tabloid journo, posted something, though, I would imagine there would be a far, far higher likelihood of it being true.

So, basically, it isn't "twitter is a load of crap" - that's like saying "well, the medium of ink on paper is a load of crap" - it isn't the medium, it is who is saying it.

I don't know why so many people struggle with that.

The major difference being that anybody can sign up to Twatter and not everybody gets in to journalism.  So I could Twat "Benteke to Gooner's for £22m plus Theo"  but might not be able to influence The Guardian into printing  "Villa accept £22m and Walcott for wantaway Benteke".

Quite, and when i see the author is Dr Gonzo, 32 followers, and you tweet that, I shall take it with the bucket of salt it deserves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2013, 10:58:54 PM

Wenger doesn't exactly make a habit of throwing money around. They seem to be in for Higuain who has proven himself for a number of years now and there's a lot of talk of them wanting Rooney, who again is proven. Benteke would cost a similar amount and has only had one season in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2013, 11:50:45 PM

Well according to what appears to be the official account of FC Twente on Twitter, The Swans have bid for Chadli but they have heard nothing from Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on July 02, 2013, 12:28:15 AM

We've been linked with a move for Litek Lovech midfielder Georgi Milanov by some sort of foreign press. He's 21 years old and has played 106 games for Litek and scored 28 goals, which is quite impressive with him only being young, and has played 12 times for his native Bulgaria. He can also play as a winger but i'd imagine his best position would be central midfield. A few people on Twitter have said that he has better potential than Popov so he looks decent. Fulham are also monitoring him.

Here is the link if you want to check it out yourself:
http://www.les-transferts.com/articles/futur-crack-zoom-sur-georgi-milanov-litex-lovech-74139.html
And his wikipedia page if you want to learn more about him...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Milanov

I've also translated what it says in the page so it's easier to understand.

Quote

In a few weeks, the English Premier League could make his acquaintance. Indeed, Georgi Milanov would be on the shelves of several English clubs. Born February 19, 1992, it made its first steps Levski footballers when he was only six years old. In category U13, he was noted by Litex Lovech. After some discussion, the young talent joined Litex Académy with his twin brother. Both Bulgarian chips operate in the same team and in June 2009, they will win their first trophy.

They earn the Bulgarian U17 Championship with a goal from Georgi Milanov in the final against Levski Sofia (1-0). A competition that will allow him to score as the coach of the first team convenes for the pre-season training. An opportunity that the Bulgarian phenomenon will not fail. Aged 17, is participating in his first official match against Levski Sofia Bulgarian Supercup. A week later, he started in the league against the Lokomotiv Mezda with a 5-0 victory and especially with a registered object.

At the end of the season, a record total of 31 games and especially a champion. At the beginning of the 2010/11 season, the coach will have a brilliant idea. Indeed, it is back to the position of Georgi Milanov playmaker result, it connects the high-level meetings with the club and won the league title once again with a total of five goals. In the next season, he will finally realize his dream.

It will be selected for the national team of Bulgaria. Club, it is still an indisputable holder but can be much longer. Today, his many travels in Germany and especially in England Fulham and Aston Villa would eyes at him. In season four, the youngster will all even registered a whopping 34 goals in 127 games with the Litex Lovech. In Bulgaria, it is already dubbed the new Dimitar Berbatov.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 02, 2013, 06:53:25 AM

Google Translate turns everything into an A-Ha song

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 02, 2013, 08:13:14 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on July 02, 2013, 12:28:15 AM

We've been linked with a move for Litek Lovech midfielder Georgi Milanov by some sort of foreign press.

If we have it hasn't been picked up by the Bulgarian press as far as I'm aware. He was Bulgarian Footballer of the Year last year, and has been linked with a few clubs including Sevilla and Werder Bremen over the summer. Litex have apparently stated a EUR4M price for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 02, 2013, 10:48:40 AM

Bannan to Leicester rumoured .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 02, 2013, 11:12:34 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 02, 2013, 10:48:40 AM

Bannan to Leicester rumoured .

You pack his bag and I'll order him a taxi. There's no way we're letting him drive himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 02, 2013, 11:15:04 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 02, 2013, 10:48:40 AM

Bannan to Leicester rumoured .

Please be true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 02, 2013, 11:15:45 AM

Quote from: BenEeles on July 02, 2013, 12:28:15 AM

We've been linked with a move for Litek Lovech midfielder Georgi Milanov by some sort of foreign press. He's 21 years old and has played 106 games for Litek and scored 28 goals, which is quite impressive with him only being young, and has played 12 times for his native Bulgaria. He can also play as a winger but i'd imagine his best position would be central midfield. A few people on Twitter have said that he has better potential than Popov so he looks decent. Fulham are also monitoring him.

Here is the link if you want to check it out yourself:
http://www.les-transferts.com/articles/futur-crack-zoom-sur-georgi-milanov-litex-lovech-74139.html
And his wikipedia page if you want to learn more about him...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Milanov

I've also translated what it says in the page so it's easier to understand.

Quote

In a few weeks, the English Premier League could make his acquaintance. Indeed, Georgi Milanov would be on the shelves of several English clubs. Born February 19, 1992, it made its first steps Levski footballers when he was only six years old. In category U13, he was noted by Litex Lovech. After some discussion, the young talent joined Litex Académy with his twin brother. Both Bulgarian chips operate in the same team and in June 2009, they will win their first trophy.

They earn the Bulgarian U17 Championship with a goal from Georgi Milanov in the final against Levski Sofia (1-0). A competition that will allow him to score as the coach of the first team convenes for the pre-season training. An opportunity that the Bulgarian phenomenon will not fail. Aged 17, is participating in his first official match against Levski Sofia Bulgarian Supercup. A week later, he started in the league against the Lokomotiv Mezda with a 5-0 victory and especially with a registered object.

At the end of the season, a record total of 31 games and especially a champion. At the beginning of the 2010/11 season, the coach will have a brilliant idea. Indeed, it is back to the position of Georgi Milanov playmaker result, it connects the high-level meetings with the club and won the league title once again with a total of five goals. In the next season, he will finally realize his dream.

It will be selected for the national team of Bulgaria. Club, it is still an indisputable holder but can be much longer. Today, his many travels in Germany and especially in England Fulham and Aston Villa would eyes at him. In season four, the youngster will all even registered a whopping 34 goals in 127 games with the Litex Lovech. In Bulgaria, it is already dubbed the new Dimitar Berbatov.

Who'd have thought they'd have a word for whopping?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2013, 11:33:47 AM

looks like Belhanda has pulled out of the move to Kiev. Not that I think he will be joining us but could surface in the PL somewhere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 02, 2013, 11:50:04 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 02, 2013, 11:33:47 AM

looks like Belhanda has pulled out of the move to Kiev. Not that I think he will be joining us but could surface in the PL somewhere

Chicken !?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 02, 2013, 11:55:19 AM

Wow, he really does behave like his moniker...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 02, 2013, 12:21:37 PM

Strange. I thought it was a silly decision for him to go there in the first place, not exactly the most exciting league in the footballing world and very bloody cold in the winter.
So, anybody got any bets on where he will go next ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 02, 2013, 01:48:57 PM

Any player who plays silly buggers like that is best avoided. However talented he may be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2013, 02:02:23 PM

He has said he definitely is going to Kiev, so nothing happening there.

Bit strange, though. I tend to agree, if he did change his mind last night, then back again, that suggests he's not the sort of player we should be after.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 02, 2013, 02:13:44 PM

I get the impression there were offers from places he didn't want to go and then our interest, if there ever was any in the first place, was used to try and draw out other PL clubs or clubs in Spain, etc.  So he or his agent playing games, which means he was probably best avoided, as others have said. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 02, 2013, 02:21:21 PM

 
I've not seen this confirmed officially anywhere. Has anyone else ?

Sounds like a load of made up cobblers to me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2013, 06:01:50 PM

Not sure what is going on re: Belhanda but what's your favourite dinosaur?

I like pterodactyls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on July 02, 2013, 06:36:17 PM

I would still feel happier if we had another experienced Centre Back - Lescott for me has prob 3 to 4 years and gets goals.

After that a playmaker, someone like Van dear Vaart - now at Hamburg - I think his wife is German and was very Ill but he could connect up all our young talent very well. On transfermarkt his value is 11.5 million quid.
Both players just turned 30.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nastylee on July 02, 2013, 06:37:59 PM

Given the teams in for Belhanda then I can only assume he is being over rated by some fans? I mean you don't have a team from Dubai and Kiev chasing you if you're any good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 02, 2013, 06:39:59 PM

 

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2013, 06:01:50 PM

Not sure what is going on re: Belhanda but what's your favourite dinosaur?

I like pterodactyls.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/birds_and_dinosaurs.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2013, 06:45:51 PM

I think my favourite is Erectopus, the cretaceous porno star. Eight boners always at the ready

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2013, 07:13:32 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on July 02, 2013, 06:36:17 PM

I would still feel happier if we had another experienced Centre Back - Lescott for me has prob 3 to 4 years and gets goals.

Only against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 02, 2013, 07:44:06 PM

Villa's newboys Aleksandar Tonev and Antonio Luna have been told to learn the Villa football language.

They have been urged to do their talking on the pitch before they worry too much about speaking English.

Tonev and Luna will inevitably have to learn the language - something Lambert believes strongly in.

But the boss insists their priority is to steep themselves in the football philosophies of his young, emerging squad in training as they gear up for the 2013-14 season.

He said: "Learning English is important for them. Some have better English than others but I think it is important, first and foremost, that they learn the language on the football side.

"By that, I mean the terminology on a football pitch. I think they've got to learn that.

"If they do that and they start to converse with people, it will bring their game on quicker.

"It is a strange environment for all of the new guys. But they will hit the ground running and once they start to know each other's names and integrate with each other then they will not have a problem."

Lambert certainly believes the newboys, also including Jores Okore, Niklas Helenius and Leandro Bacuna, will play a big role in the coming campaign.

And he insists they come to B6 with the very best of intentions.

He added: "Every one of them has got the same objective - they want to do well here.

"They are certainly young enough lads to kick on with their careers too. I think that is the beauty of it all.

"They are a young group coming in, allied to the ones that are already here. Those lads will be better for what happened last year.

"If they do that all together then hopefully they will be strong."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2013, 07:45:14 PM

Some Twit on Twatter is saying we've agreed a fee for Henri Saivet of Bordeaux. Meh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 02, 2013, 07:46:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 02, 2013, 07:45:14 PM

Some Twit on Twatter is saying we've agreed a fee for Henri Saivet of Bordeaux. Meh.

Oh save it , please :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2013, 08:13:19 PM

Also on twitter, some stuff about the German media saying we've bid for Hiroshi Kiyotake from Nuremburg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2013, 08:19:21 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2013, 08:13:19 PM

Also on twitter, some stuff about the German media saying we've bid for Hiroshi Kiyotake from Nuremburg.

yeh, they had that the other day. As with all things Villa you can only believe it when somebody of repute reports it, or the bloke shows up on the OS with a shiny new stretchy kit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2013, 08:19:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2013, 08:13:19 PM

Also on twitter, some stuff about the German media saying we've bid for Hiroshi Kiyotake from Nuremburg.

I'd love that to be true, he looks some player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on July 02, 2013, 08:23:18 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 02, 2013, 07:45:14 PM

Some Twit on Twatter is saying we've agreed a fee for Henri Saivet of Bordeaux. Meh.

What twit? someone with a Villa ITK style username? or foreign journo?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2013, 08:33:31 PM

Where do these lads play, attacking midfield? That really needs to be our next signing sometime before August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 02, 2013, 08:39:00 PM

Just been tweeted that "we haven't had a bid accepted". Reliable this Twitter bollocks ay.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2013, 08:45:49 PM

It's interesting that even the loose links seem to carry the hallmarks of players that we have been signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 02, 2013, 08:49:43 PM

If I was going to make up a load of horseshit, I'd also try to make it believable. The Sun don't seem to even bother with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2013, 09:09:41 PM

When are we back training - this week?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 02, 2013, 09:12:43 PM

Yesterday, although the Internationals have been given a few extra days off. The brown-nosers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2013, 09:35:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 02, 2013, 09:09:41 PM

When are we back training - this week?

check out the OS eamonn. There are some pics on there from yesterday and an interview on AVTV with Lambert. Those lads who played internationals will get involved properly next week I'd imagine

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 02, 2013, 10:10:27 PM

I love Lambert's comment "Young enough lads....that is the beauty of it."
As someone involved in education for years it's so good to see young learners (students) and teachers (teachers FFS!) grow and make progress and do things you always hoped for them or to even exceed hopes and expectations. I'd say Benteke's done the latter this last season, and we'd all love him to kick on next year...but if he does, he may leave us...making the way for another fine prospect - Helenius? Weimann? Drennan?
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 02, 2013, 10:52:21 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 02, 2013, 10:10:27 PM

I love Lambert's comment "Young enough lads....that is the beauty of it."
As someone involved in education for years it's so good to see young learners (students) and teachers (teachers FFS!) grow and make progress and do things you always hoped for them or to even exceed hopes and expectations. I'd say Benteke's done the latter this last season, and we'd all love him to kick on next year...but if he does, he may leave us...making the way for another fine prospect - Helenius? Weimann? Drennan?

Well said. We will never rely on one player. Teamwork. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2013, 11:29:19 PM

By Kendrick for the E Mail.

Quote

Record signing Darren Bent has been asked to train away from Villa’s first team squad while he awaits his inevitable departure from the club.

Bent, who has been told he can leave if the right offer comes in this summer, is unlikely to play any part in the claret and blues’ programme of friendlies or travel on next week’s Germany tour.

The 29-year-old striker returned to Bodymoor Heath on Monday after coming back from his honeymoon and still has two years left on his Villa contract.

But it has emerged that Bent is training with unwanted colleagues Alan Hutton and Stephen Ireland while Villa attempt to offload the £24 million goal-getter.

There are also suggestions that the England frontman has been moved out of the first team dressing room and into the changing area for academy players.

Newcastle are believed to be interested in signing Bent but Villa are keen to hold out for at least £8 million for the former Sunderland player.

Villa manager Paul Lambert has made it clear that Bent can look for a new club this season after placing faith in a a clutch of younger forwards.

He is confident of retaining the services of last season’s top scorer Christian Benteke and has tied Andi Weimann to a new contract and signed Danish international Nicklas Helenius.

Lambert’s striking department also includes Gabby Agbonlahor and Jordan Bowery, although Nathan Delfouneso’s future also seems to lie away from Villa Park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 03, 2013, 02:14:18 AM

"Goal-getter" Aaaaghh!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 03:37:42 AM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-transfers-christian-benteke-aston-2019673?


what bullshit . london media

They can offer Benteke European football next season  - on top of the chance to play regularly ahead of the World Cup.

so does he not play regular anyway and european football being the champions league not

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 07:16:27 AM

Darren Lewis. Say no more. Absolute fannyclown.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 07:38:00 AM

Seems a bit harsh on bent making him train away from the squad ana with Ireland and Hutton - the other 2 are wasters but bents attitude has been much better than them and what happens if we don't get an acceptable offer for him ?

Will we be paying him huge wages to train away from the squad , by all means look to sell him but seems harsh ostracising him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 03, 2013, 07:51:04 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 07:16:27 AM

Darren Lewis. Say no more. Absolute fannyclown.

That is being generous Maz - he must be in the top five of twats on the television and radio who spout complete and utter bollocks about football. He is one of many, many reasons I gave up subscribing to Sky Sports

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2013, 08:43:21 AM

That Darren Lewis article could have been written by someone on Twitter. He has'nt got a clue bless him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 08:45:48 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 03, 2013, 08:43:21 AM

That Darren Lewis article could have been written by someone on Twitter. He has'nt got a clue bless him.

Typical mirror bollocks ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 08:50:33 AM

Ah Darren Lewis who is apparently the 'top sports correspondant' for The Mirror, but when asked about the cricket on Sky Sports genuinely had no clue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2013, 08:51:15 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 08:50:33 AM

Ah Darren Lewis who is apparently the 'top sports correspondant' for The Mirror, but when asked about the cricket on Sky Sports genuinely had no clue.

That's why he works for a comic and not a newspaper.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on July 03, 2013, 09:22:06 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 07:38:00 AM

Seems a bit harsh on bent making him train away from the squad ana with Ireland and Hutton - the other 2 are wasters but bents attitude has been much better than them and what happens if we don't get an acceptable offer for him ?

Will we be paying him huge wages to train away from the squad , by all means look to sell him but seems harsh ostracising him .

Agree with you there Eastie.  Unless he has come back with "an attitude" problem, I don't believe he caused any trouble last season even though he was a bench warmer and many others, in a similar situation, would have been spouting off every other day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 03, 2013, 10:02:51 AM

Disagreed with Bent treatment as young players still can learn from his experience and we still need to keep him sharp just incase there are lot of strikers  are unavailable. Stephen Ireland - understandable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on July 03, 2013, 10:11:20 AM

Quote from: fredm on July 03, 2013, 09:22:06 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 07:38:00 AM

Seems a bit harsh on bent making him train away from the squad ana with Ireland and Hutton - the other 2 are wasters but bents attitude has been much better than them and what happens if we don't get an acceptable offer for him ?

Will we be paying him huge wages to train away from the squad , by all means look to sell him but seems harsh ostracising him .

Agree with you there Eastie.  Unless he has come back with "an attitude" problem, I don't believe he caused any trouble last season even though he was a bench warmer and many others, in a similar situation, would have been spouting off every other day.

It seems harsh, but if you are not in the plans for next season, why waste time practising set-pieces and general play with a "body" that will not be there. It's all about the current side becoming familiar with each other, not a ghost player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on July 03, 2013, 10:15:27 AM

One thing I would say, if a player is training with the reserves or public statements have been made about his availability, I'm not sure it makes a difference to his transfer value. Once the season starts and a player isn't near the matchday squad, it is pretty obvious he is available and the selling club are probably fairly flexible on the fee. There has been a lot of talk about how much Andy Carroll is costing West Ham. Which must please Liverpool as it covers up what a hit they took on the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 10:24:51 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 07:38:00 AM

Seems a bit harsh on bent making him train away from the squad ana with Ireland and Hutton - the other 2 are wasters but bents attitude has been much better than them and what happens if we don't get an acceptable offer for him ?

Will we be paying him huge wages to train away from the squad , by all means look to sell him but seems harsh ostracising him .

Hutton may not be very good, but he's hardly a 'waster' in the Stephen Ireland category.  He's always struck me as a good pro and not slagged the club or manager off.

If Lambert thinks they're best kept away from the first team training, then that's good enough for me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 03, 2013, 10:25:44 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 07:38:00 AM

Seems a bit harsh on bent making him train away from the squad ana with Ireland and Hutton - the other 2 are wasters but bents attitude has been much better than them and what happens if we don't get an acceptable offer for him ?

Will we be paying him huge wages to train away from the squad , by all means look to sell him but seems harsh ostracising him .

A bit unfair calling Hutton a waster Eastie, a waste of money yes but not a waster.  Not in the sense of Ireland because Hutton has little ability to begin with, whereas Ireland ia a waste of money and talent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 10:29:31 AM

My apologies to mr Hutton - yes it was unfair to bracket him with Ireland :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 03, 2013, 10:32:54 AM

shame we can't put Stephen's talent in Alan and Alan's talent in Stephen. Problem sorted if we can.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 10:36:02 AM

If anything happened to Lowton we are buggered at right back. Cutting Hutton a bit of slack might not be a bad idea. He is still playing well for Scotland and did well in Spain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2013, 10:38:28 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 10:36:02 AM

If anything happened to Lowton we are buggered at right back. Cutting Hutton a bit of slack might not be a bad idea. He is still playing well for Scotland and did well in Spain.

Herd or Clark could do the job.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

Clark is very left footed and Herd is injury prone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 10:43:33 AM

I reckon Herd is first alternative at the moment.  But could either Bennett or Luna play RB if needed?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2013, 10:46:48 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 10:43:33 AM

I reckon Herd is first alternative at the moment.  But could either Bennett or Luna play RB if needed?

Not sure about those 2 (or Clark) but i reckon Okore could do very well there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 11:05:48 AM

So far none of those options are ideal are they? I am happy to see Hutton go, but a right back cover would be useful

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2013, 11:12:25 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 03, 2013, 10:46:48 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 10:43:33 AM

I reckon Herd is first alternative at the moment.  But could either Bennett or Luna play RB if needed?

Not sure about those 2 (or Clark) but i reckon Okore could do very well there.

I'm sure Okore was playing RB in one of the Youtube videos I saw of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

Apparently Nurnberg have confirmed that we bid for Kiyotake.

But it was refused.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 11:17:50 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 11:05:48 AM

So far none of those options are ideal are they? I am happy to see Hutton go, but a right back cover would be useful

I agree.

And it's still a very young defence, so if we could get a more experienced utility defender, who can play RB, that would balance things out nicely at the back.

Weren't we linked to someone like that from Norwich earlier in the window?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2013, 11:22:28 AM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8803284/Transfer-news-Nurnberg-rebuff-Aston-Villa-over-Hiroshi-Kiyotake

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2013, 11:23:16 AM

I think Bacuna could cover at right-back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2013, 11:26:13 AM

I'd be very interested to find out when that bid was made. It's a substantial sum of money for a player who may occupy the same position as Tonev or Bacuna, so it would be informative to find out whether we offered for him before or after we signed those two.

In any case, I like the Japanese 'style' of attacking midfielder. Quick, technical, direct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 11:29:03 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 03, 2013, 11:22:28 AM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8803284/Transfer-news-Nurnberg-rebuff-Aston-Villa-over-Hiroshi-Kiyotake

Sounds genuine, so it'll be interesting to see if we go in again or the player starts making some noises about wanting to come here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 11:33:49 AM

He is the type of player we lack at the moment if Tonev is wide and bacuna has said already he will have a more defensive responsibility here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:34:44 AM

Seem pretty adamant hes not for sale .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 11:36:26 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:34:44 AM

Seem pretty adamant hes not for sale .

He could be our Prince Charming.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 11:37:02 AM

Was it much different when we were after Benteke last year?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:40:58 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 11:36:26 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:34:44 AM

Seem pretty adamant hes not for sale .

He could be our Prince Charming.

Bit too much of a goody two shoes :)

He may find it hard settling in the premiership but ridicule is nothing to be scared of ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 11:47:45 AM

I hope we get him, he looks very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 11:51:13 AM

Also happy to see we're looking at that type of player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:55:54 AM

Yes pwa if true, although Montpellier claimed we wanted belhanda and it appears to be untrue - interesting to see if anynmore comes out in this case .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 03, 2013, 11:58:18 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 11:36:26 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 11:34:44 AM

Seem pretty adamant hes not for sale .

He could be our Prince Charming.

Puns like that leave you open to ridicule. However, that's nothing to be scared of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Reuben on July 03, 2013, 12:06:41 PM

Oh come on - his comment was Desperate but not serious!

I'm hoping Lambert has some Young Parisians on his radar

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:07:50 PM

Quote from: Reuben on July 03, 2013, 12:06:41 PM

Oh come on - his comment was Desperate but not serious!

I'm hoping Lambert has some Young Parisians on his radar

He needs to Stand and deliver on his transfer policies

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:08:12 PM

If we don't add to the squad then its time for the players at our disposal to stand and deliver.

Oh moley , you beat me to it :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:09:33 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:08:12 PM

If we don't add to the squad then its time for the players at our disposal to stand and deliver.

Oh moley , you beat me to it :(

yes but yours was better used

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:10:56 PM

people under 30 are wondering what the hell we are talking about ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2013, 12:11:12 PM

I'm glad we're looking at an attacking midfielder.

We've lack a goal threat from midfield since Taylor packed it in. For a long, long time, we've lack that bit of cutting edge in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 12:12:17 PM

If he signs or not will decide if he's Friend or Foe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2013, 12:14:44 PM

He might have the piss taken if he signs for us. You can guess what's coming next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 12:11:12 PM

I'm glad we're looking at an attacking midfielder.

We've lack a goal threat from midfield since Taylor packed it in. For a long, long time, we've lack that bit of cutting edge in midfield.

If this is the type of player we are looking at then it is good news , i think Milner provided a goal threat since Taylor left though .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2013, 12:22:29 PM

I've heard he dose'nt drink or dose'nt smoke, I wonder what he does do?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:24:56 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 03, 2013, 12:22:29 PM

I've heard he dose'nt drink or dose'nt smoke, I wonder what he does do?

Very droll effort clamps  , even by your poor standards    :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 12:26:24 PM

He'd already have signed but he had Cartrouble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2013, 12:33:46 PM

I'd be a little uneasy about us taking another club's player if they don't want to sell, but it's Dog Eat Dog*.

*not a big fan, that was one of their's wasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2013, 12:36:24 PM

He's happy in Germany. He loves Deutscher girls.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 03, 2013, 12:36:37 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 03, 2013, 11:23:16 AM

I think Bacuna could cover at right-back.

Are you MON?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 12:38:44 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2013, 12:36:24 PM

He's happy in Germany. He loves Deutscher girls.

We have more chance of signing Juanito the Bandito. There is room at the top for a playboy who is made of money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:42:49 PM

I'm sure he would like the new strip :)

Ok I admit I had to google his greatest  hits to find strip :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 12:45:26 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:42:49 PM

I'm sure he would like the new strip :)

Ok I admit I had to google his greatest  hits to find strip :(

Same here. Shameful really. :'(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 03, 2013, 12:48:37 PM

Message to the ant people:

Unplug the jukebox
And do us all a favour

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 03, 2013, 12:48:37 PM

Message to the ant people:

Unplug the jukebox
And do us all a favour

Best one yet. You still win completely fuck all though :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2013, 12:54:27 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:10:56 PM

people under 30 are wondering what the hell we are talking about ?

What are you talking about Granddad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:58:42 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 03, 2013, 12:54:27 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:10:56 PM

people under 30 are wondering what the hell we are talking about ?

What are you talking about Granddad?

Come on affers, I'm sure you splashed on the ant warpaint and imagined diana dors was astride you back in the 80s ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2013, 01:00:41 PM

SHUT UP.... Eastters people may be listening!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:01:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:58:42 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 03, 2013, 12:54:27 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:10:56 PM

people under 30 are wondering what the hell we are talking about ?

What are you talking about Granddad?

Come on affers, I'm sure you splashed on the ant warpaint and imagined diana dors was astride you back in the 80s ;)

Diana Dors. Bloody hell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:02:19 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:01:06 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 12:58:42 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 03, 2013, 12:54:27 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2013, 12:10:56 PM

people under 30 are wondering what the hell we are talking about ?

What are you talking about Granddad?

Come on affers, I'm sure you splashed on the ant warpaint and imagined diana dors was astride you back in the 80s ;)

Diana Dors. Bloody hell.

For me it was debbie Harry :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:04:02 PM

*whistles innocently*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:04:02 PM

*whistles innocently*

You old rascal pws :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:05:47 PM

Even though she was one of lifes larger ladies she was one hell of a looker. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:07:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:05:47 PM

Even though she was one of lifes larger ladies she was one hell of a looker. ;)

No, No,No!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:08:18 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:04:02 PM

*whistles innocently*

You old rascal pws :(

There was a lot worse I could have changed it to!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:11:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:08:18 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:05:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 01:04:02 PM

*whistles innocently*

You old rascal pws :(

There was a lot worse I could have changed it to!

Indeed .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 03, 2013, 01:13:19 PM

"The Worm that Turned" was pretty good. Not quite "The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town", but good.


(http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2008/06/13/diana_dors_1_470x353_353x470.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:16:27 PM

So it's true then, we are signing Diana Dors ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 01:20:18 PM

It's not Diana Dors - it's Gareth Barry in a blonde wig trying to sneak back into the club!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2013, 01:20:59 PM

can't remember the title but DD was in a really strange German-UK co-production in the early 70s I think with a young and very sexy Jane Asher. The film was set in a swimming pool and DD tried to seduce the young, fresh out of school, male pool  attendant, who had the hots for Jane and eventually killed her, crazed with jealousy over a relationship she was having with his former school teacher.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 03, 2013, 01:21:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 10:36:02 AM

If anything happened to Lowton we are buggered at right back. Cutting Hutton a bit of slack might not be a bad idea. He is still playing well for Scotland and did well in Spain.

Sam Byram young RB at Leeds looks a good prospect - Seen somewhere today he is available for around £3m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 01:23:27 PM

http://news.sky.com/story/1109761/robot-footballers-on-the-pitch-at-robocup

Sign them up i say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:27:13 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 03, 2013, 01:20:59 PM

can't remember the title but DD was in a really strange German-UK co-production in the early 70s I think with a young and very sexy Jane Asher. The film was set in a swimming pool and DD tried to seduce the young, fresh out of school, male pool  attendant, who had the hots for Jane and eventually killed her, crazed with jealousy over a relationship she was having with his former school teacher.

Deep end.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 03, 2013, 01:28:16 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 11:29:03 AM

Quote from: RussellC on July 03, 2013, 11:22:28 AM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8803284/Transfer-news-Nurnberg-rebuff-Aston-Villa-over-Hiroshi-Kiyotake

Sounds genuine, so it'll be interesting to see if we go in again or the player starts making some noises about wanting to come here.

Be a good signing and interesting if we can prise him away from a medium sized club in a big league. Different to the other signigs who have come from big/medium clubs in smaller leagues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 01:43:19 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in.

I'd rather we gave Douglas Hurd a go than bring Hutton back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs and borrowed lamberts top he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2013, 02:17:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

That pun has just won the internet!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2013, 02:41:56 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 02:17:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

That pun has just won the internet!

Hams down.

Damn, that's from a Pig.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 02:55:43 PM

Hutton is fucking shit and complete liability. If we play Hutton we may as well just start the game with 10 men, because if isn't letting the left winger dance past him, then soon enough he'll be taking his early bath by making the lad part of the Trinity Road stand. Amounts to the same thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 03:10:15 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 02:55:43 PM

Hutton is fucking shit and complete liability. If we play Hutton we may as well just start the game with 10 men, because if isn't letting the left winger dance past him, then soon enough he'll be taking his early bath by making the lad part of the Trinity Road stand. Amounts to the same thing.

Crikey tv stop sitting on the fence and tell us what you really think of him .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2013, 03:14:00 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 02:17:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

That pun has just won the internet!

It's been done before.  Can't remember who it was that came up with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2013, 03:18:10 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 02:55:43 PM

Hutton is fucking shit and complete liability. If we play Hutton we may as well just start the game with 10 men, because if isn't letting the left winger dance past him, then soon enough he'll be taking his early bath by making the lad part of the Trinity Road stand. Amounts to the same thing.

If those are the options, I'd rather him take the fucker out first and then we play with 10 men 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 03, 2013, 03:27:10 PM

From the BBC...


"Newcastle United have been given the green light to make a bid for Darren Bent after Aston Villa ostracised the striker, reports the Newcastle Chronicle.

It is reported Villa boss Paul Lambert has told the 29-year-old that not only will he not take any part in the squad's pre-season preparations, either friendly matches or travelling to a training camp in Germany, he will not even be allowed to train with the first-team at all.

This move is expected to quicken Bent's exit from the Midlands with St James' Park his preferred destination - despite his links to Sunderland."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2013, 03:42:40 PM

Also were bracing ourselves for a bid from Spurs for Benteke, Apparently according to the Mail, if we brace ourselves any longer we'll pass out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 03:47:27 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2013, 03:42:40 PM

Also were bracing ourselves for a bid from Spurs for Benteke, Apparently according to the Mail, if we brace ourselves any longer we'll pass out

I've been holding on to chairs, hand rails, anything fixed or nailed down for about a month now. I've also got one of those "I'm bricking it" facial expressions at the ready to go with my grip once the bid arrives.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 03, 2013, 04:25:12 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2013, 03:42:40 PM

Also were bracing ourselves for a bid from Spurs for Benteke, Apparently according to the Mail, if we brace ourselves any longer we'll pass out

To be fair, it's not 'according' to the Mail. It's in there 'rumours' section. Where they print transfer gossip of the day

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 05:51:19 PM

Haven't got a problem with Benteke going to Spurzz , as long as its a swap for Bale . 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 06:26:53 PM

Despite twitter being awash with people claiming we have offered the release clause Kiyotake, Pete Colley from SSN has tweeted that it is the same situation as Belhanda and there is no interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 06:30:57 PM

you almost get the sense that if a potential deal becomes public there was no truth in it to begin with. The exception this summer being Helenius but that had something to do with the Danish stock exchange. Our deals for the most part become public knowledge through more official sources almost at the point of closing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

Pete  colley didnt tip any of our 6 signings so far and he has little idea whats going on , would be nice if we could get the lad in as he looks to be what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 03, 2013, 06:31:57 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 05:51:19 PM

Haven't got a problem with Benteke going to Spurzz , as long as its a swap for Bale . 

You break too easy. Bale and Walker again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2013, 06:34:20 PM

Reminds me of the time david Craig told Ssn there was no way bent would go to villa from sunderland - at the same time bent was having a medical at little aston .

Colley has a poor record when it comes to villa scoops.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on July 03, 2013, 06:38:25 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 03, 2013, 06:31:57 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 05:51:19 PM

Haven't got a problem with Benteke going to Spurzz , as long as its a swap for Bale . 

You break too easy. Bale and Walker again.

Plus £25 miilion

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 03, 2013, 06:43:52 PM

Quote from: Pete3206 on July 03, 2013, 06:38:25 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 03, 2013, 06:31:57 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 05:51:19 PM

Haven't got a problem with Benteke going to Spurzz , as long as its a swap for Bale . 

You break too easy. Bale and Walker again.

Plus £25 miilion

And Levy on video doing a rendition of Holte Enders in the Sky.


...in a chicken outfit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 06:46:16 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on July 03, 2013, 03:14:00 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 02:17:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

That pun has just won the internet!

It's been done before.  Can't remember who it was that came up with it.

....ahem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 07:19:46 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 06:46:16 PM

Quote from: Bren'd on July 03, 2013, 03:14:00 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 02:17:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2013, 02:12:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Quote from: LifelongToad on July 03, 2013, 01:52:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 03, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Think I'd rather give Herd a go at right back rather than bring Hutton back in. Bacuna has also played full back before apparently, so maybe he'd be able to cover.
The sooner we ship out Hutts the better. Not purely for his leg breaking maniacal streak but to get his wages off the books most of all.

Hutton chops?

Maybe if he put on a pair of specs he could be hutton dressed as lamb :)

Hutton dressed as Lahm?

That pun has just won the internet!

It's been done before.  Can't remember who it was that came up with it.

....ahem.

So, no chance it was you then Mazrim ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2013, 08:19:03 PM

According to Kendrick we have enquired about Kiyotake, but he doesn't know much else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 08:20:59 PM

Well I hope we follow it up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:21:56 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2013, 08:19:03 PM

According to Kendrick we have enquired about Kiyotake, but he doesn't know much else.

I think this one could turn out with a positive outcome. It just feels right for some silly reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:23:15 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2013, 08:19:03 PM

According to Kendrick we have enquired about Kiyotake, but he doesn't know much else.

It's interesting that even those who cover us as a profession, those who you would expect to be somewhat ITK, are actually ITD (In The Dark) on many things related to the club. That's quite difficult to do and impressive given how easily information these days can be accessed and distributed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:25:04 PM

Big fat hairy bastard bollocks. Chelsea are willing to meet the 25,000,000 asking price for Benteke. Caughtoffside. com.

I fucking hope this is just more transfer bullshit, please be bullshit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:26:24 PM

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/07/03/chelsea-willing-to-meet-25m-asking-price-for-aston-villa-striker-christian-benteke/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2013, 08:27:07 PM

I must have missed the press release when it became common knowledge that Benteke has an asking price of £25 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 03, 2013, 08:27:32 PM

He aint going nowhere for £25 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2013, 08:28:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:23:15 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2013, 08:19:03 PM

According to Kendrick we have enquired about Kiyotake, but he doesn't know much else.

It's interesting that even those who cover us as a profession, those who you would expect to be somewhat ITK, are actually ITD (In The Dark) on many things related to the club. That's quite difficult to do and impressive given how easily information these days can be accessed and distributed.

They're not going to find out if they're not told.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:29:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:26:24 PM

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/07/03/chelsea-willing-to-meet-25m-asking-price-for-aston-villa-striker-christian-benteke/

I'm sorry but who the fuck is Caught Offside and Sports Direct News? Shouldn't they be concentrating on how drunk Kinnear and Ashley get in bar and how many fucks they can spit into a jar in a minute?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:30:30 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2013, 08:28:37 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:23:15 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2013, 08:19:03 PM

According to Kendrick we have enquired about Kiyotake, but he doesn't know much else.

It's interesting that even those who cover us as a profession, those who you would expect to be somewhat ITK, are actually ITD (In The Dark) on many things related to the club. That's quite difficult to do and impressive given how easily information these days can be accessed and distributed.

They're not going to find out if they're not told.

In a roundabout way it's the point I was making. That in an era of leaks and scoops, that even those closest to the actions aren't given information.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2013, 08:31:14 PM

I'd take Lukaku + £15 million. Alternatively, no less than £30 million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2013, 08:31:46 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 03, 2013, 08:27:07 PM

I must have missed the press release when it became common knowledge that Benteke has an asking price of £25 million.

At least it's gone up from £15 million which is what was being thrown about a month ago. It will be £30 million in a couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 08:32:40 PM

Just for the record, the earliest recorded sighting of the Hutton dressed as Lahm joke on H&V

Quote from: QBVILLA on August 31, 2011, 07:24:10 PM

Just thought i'd seen a world class fullback at Villa Park  for talks.My mistake, it was Hutton dressed as Lahm

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2013, 08:33:13 PM

Caughtoffside is a load of bollocks and I don't think £25 million would be the price anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:34:09 PM

http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league/27542-chelsea-transfer-news-blues-enter-benteke-race.php

These are just transfer gossip sights. How much they really know is up for discussion. I hope they are full of shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2013, 08:35:48 PM

There will be a handful of people genuinely in the know and they will have signed Non-Disclosure Agreements that would get them sacked and possibly sued if they released information. It won't be in their best interests to tell people and we've probably appointed good professionals - not morons who think it's ok to tell their mates what's happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 08:35:59 PM

There is one tweeterer person who is totally convinced that he is coming on Friday and many saying it's Belhander again. Not a clue but he looks a quality little footballer judging by YouTube and his stats last season for assists. We are certainly being linked with a fair few in the hole type forward midfielders. Formations could be very flexible next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 03, 2013, 08:40:01 PM

I'm not a twonker myself but a bloke called AVFCTransTweet say we have me Kiyotakes buy out clause.

Make of that what you like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:41:15 PM

Who is a moron OCD ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 08:42:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:41:15 PM

Who is a moron OCD ?

Gordon?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:44:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 08:42:33 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:41:15 PM

Who is a moron OCD ?

Gordon?

Very quick and very good PWS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 08:49:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 08:32:40 PM

Just for the record, the earliest recorded sighting of the Hutton dressed as Lahm joke on H&V

Quote from: QBVILLA on August 31, 2011, 07:24:10 PM

Just thought i'd seen a world class fullback at Villa Park  for talks.My mistake, it was Hutton dressed as Lahm

Found an earlier one than that from 2010 in the jokes section. Oh well. I hadn't heard it before "my one" but hold my hands up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 03, 2013, 09:07:41 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 03, 2013, 06:31:45 PM

Pete  colley didnt tip any of our 6 signings so far and he has little idea whats going on , would be nice if we could get the lad in as he looks to be what we need.

Yep. In fact, Colley tweeted at the end of last week that he'd heard Villa weren't getting Belhanda.... about three weeks after most of us had given up on the idea... he seems particularly off the pace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 09:10:05 PM

Nothing on any chelsea fans forums about Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 03, 2013, 09:15:33 PM

Aren't those sources absolutely fucking useless? Re: Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2013, 09:21:05 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:34:09 PM

http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league/27542-chelsea-transfer-news-blues-enter-benteke-race.php

These are just transfer gossip sights. How much they really know is up for discussion. I hope they are full of shite.

They do need to fill their pages! I could have written this article and I know as much about transfers as MON!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2013, 09:24:07 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 03, 2013, 09:15:33 PM

Aren't those sources absolutely fucking useless? Re: Benteke?

Yes, and they feed each other, so if one posts a 'scoop' three or four more concoct more detailed variations, and subsequently the tabloid hacks take it as corroborated sources.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2013, 09:31:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 03, 2013, 08:41:15 PM

Who is a moron OCD ?

It was a general comment, not aimed at specific individuals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2013, 09:33:45 PM

what the f**k is Sports direct



Tottenham Shitspur fear they will be gazumped by London rivals Chavski in their bid for Aston Villa striker Christian Benteke.
Spurs have reportedly opened talks with Villa over a possible move for the big Belgian – who bagged 19 goals in the Premier League last season.
But SportsDirect News has learned the Blues have identified Benteke as a possible alternative to Napoli forward Edinson Cavani.
Boss Jose Mourinho tabled a concrete offer for the Uruguay hitman on Tuesday, though French giants Paris Saint-Germain also made a megabucks bid for the star.
However, both offers fell below Cavani’s £54m release fee, and the Italian club have insisted he will not be sold unless the clause is triggered.
And that has seen Mourinho explore other options.
He is desperate to land a marquee striker this summer, and is also monitoring Wayne Rooney’s situation at Manchester United.
But Benteke is seen as a cut-price fall-back option.
Villa would demand at least £25m for their prized asset, and Mourinho would be willing to match their asking price – given his relatively inexpensive wages.
The star earns £20,000-a-week at Villa Park - £230,000-a-week less than Rooney does at United – and Chavski would have no problem in tripling his wages at the Bridge.
And the lure of Champions League football could see Benteke snub Shite for the Blues if both clubs table bids – though Tottenham also hold an interest in Valencia striker Roberto Soldado, and are close to sealing a deal for Barcelona star David Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2013, 09:34:27 PM

I think that you'd have to be very slow-witted to get in the least bit worked up about someone called 'The Newshound' repeating on Caughtoffside.com something that he's read on sportsdirectnews.com.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on July 03, 2013, 09:37:09 PM

Its because 'Arry and his car window are not in the prem,  there ain't much info.

"Simon 'ackney at stockport, ees a smashin lad, is muvvers ad a season ticket down Loftus for donkeys. good player but eed never come to us, one of the sheffield teams al avim"

Its just not the same is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 03, 2013, 10:20:41 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 03, 2013, 08:40:01 PM

I'm not a twonker myself but a bloke called AVFCTransTweet say we have me Kiyotakes buy out clause.

Make of that what you like.

Well I am glad Aston Villa are such an inclusive club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 03, 2013, 10:42:36 PM

If Chelsea want Benteke, that'll be at least £50 million.

It's got to be up with London prices at least!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2013, 11:51:53 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 03, 2013, 08:40:01 PM

I'm not a twonker myself but a bloke called AVFCTransTweet say we have me Kiyotakes buy out clause.

Make of that what you like.

Pretending for a minute he has a buy out clause, what a signing the lad would be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 03, 2013, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 03, 2013, 11:51:53 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 03, 2013, 08:40:01 PM

I'm not a twonker myself but a bloke called AVFCTransTweet say we have me Kiyotakes buy out clause.

Make of that what you like.

Pretending for a minute he has a buy out clause, what a signing the lad would be.

Is he as decent as his youtube makes him look then? (when answering that question remember that Hutton can be made to look like Cafu's Scottish cousin on there).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2013, 08:13:47 AM

I would be surprised if Benteke is Chelsea's plan B if they can't get Cavani. Especially as they have Lukaku.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 04, 2013, 08:49:22 AM

Any deal for Benteke should include Lukaku coming the other way.
For so many reasons - other than Abramovich's ridiculous wealth - this potential deal makes no sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2013, 09:09:45 AM

Rooney is not going anywhere.
Bale is not going anywhere
Saurez is not going anywhere
Benteke is not going anywhere.

and Im going to mend my garage roof

PS. Edinson Cavini is not coming to Villa Park. An ITK told me so!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on July 04, 2013, 09:55:16 AM

In other news Benteke has been linked with a move to Aston Villa after the press ran out of clubs to link him with....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 10:08:46 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 03, 2013, 08:49:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2013, 08:32:40 PM

Just for the record, the earliest recorded sighting of the Hutton dressed as Lahm joke on H&V

Quote from: QBVILLA on August 31, 2011, 07:24:10 PM

Just thought i'd seen a world class fullback at Villa Park  for talks.My mistake, it was Hutton dressed as Lahm

Found an earlier one than that from 2010 in the jokes section. Oh well. I hadn't heard it before "my one" but hold my hands up.

My one was reference to Hutton dressing in his managers top and putting on specs like lambert as in Hutton dressed as lamb (lambert)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 04, 2013, 10:12:57 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 04, 2013, 09:09:45 AM

Rooney is not going anywhere.
Bale is not going anywhere
Saurez is not going anywhere
Benteke is not going anywhere.

and Im going to mend my garage roof

PS. Edinson Cavini is not coming to Villa Park. An ITK told me so!

Instead of mending it why don't you transfer it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 04, 2013, 10:17:04 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 04, 2013, 09:09:45 AM

Rooney is not going anywhere.
Bale is not going anywhere
Saurez is not going anywhere
Benteke is not going anywhere.

In a sense I don't blame the tabloids when you see that.  Not very good headlines are they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2013, 10:34:23 AM

I saw that Mikel was being quoted as valued at 16 million by Chelsea. 16 MILLION!!!
By that logic, if Chelski do want Benteke, then a penny less than 50 million and they can fakk right off.
Plus in all honesty, Jose is probably going to rate Lukaku. He's a very good player. He only scored 2 goals less than Benteke. He's also 2 years younger than CB so who knows, could conceivably end up better (but I doubt it). They share a lot of the same strengths. I don't see why Chelsea would fork out a huge fee for Benteke when they have a very similar player on their books who's almost (but not quite) as adept. A bit of nurturing and development and they have their very own 20 goal a season beast.
I do think sometimes with these big money clubs that they spunk money purely for show. Even when they don't need it. I mean Chelsea bring in Ba, ship off Sturridge (after never really giving him a run through the middle). That obviously turned out well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2013, 10:37:44 AM

I'd put up the price anyway based on it being chelsea

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 04, 2013, 10:44:45 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2355628/Aston-Villa-forget-signing-Hiroshi-Kiyotake.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 04, 2013, 11:06:23 AM

Daily Mail "Signing Benteke can reduce your chance of getting cancer, while also increasing immigrants.  Clubs confused about what to do"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 04, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 04, 2013, 11:06:23 AM

Daily Mail "Signing Benteke can reduce your chance of getting cancer, while also increasing immigrants.  Clubs confused about what to do"

From The Express "Benteke implicated in Diana death probe.  Sir Alex vows revenge."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 04, 2013, 11:23:04 AM

From The Sun................... Chrissie B. (22) from Birmingham, says "Phew, what a scorcher !!"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2013, 01:06:51 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

could see Bent at Everton to be honest

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 01:12:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2013, 01:06:51 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

could see Bent at Everton to be honest

Would score a shedload of goals at everton or newcastle  or many other teams for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 04, 2013, 01:13:26 PM

Just read on twatter we've turned down an approach from Watford to take Gardner on loan. Didn't realise he's coming into the last year of his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2013, 01:15:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 01:12:32 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2013, 01:06:51 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

could see Bent at Everton to be honest

Would score a shedload of goals at everton or newcastle  or many other teams for that matter.

as long as those teams are willing to change to a system that suits Bent which is a big ask. As good as Bent is, and he is, any potential suitor needs to sacrifice other aspects of their game to accomodate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 04, 2013, 01:40:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

Plus the fact he has a name that Kinnear can't possibly mangle should put the price up a bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2013, 02:05:44 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 04, 2013, 01:40:20 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 04, 2013, 12:59:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 12:56:55 PM

Newcastle have apparently agreed a fee with Wigan for Arouna Kone, although Everton are apparently in for him too. The figure’s been reported as £6.5m, so if they don’t get him we  know they’ve got at least that set aside if they put in a bid for Bent….

Good point, Russell. Add to that Kone is slightly older than Bent and doesn't have anything like his goalscoring record.

Plus the fact he has a name that Kinnear can't possibly mangle should put the price up a bit.

I think Kinnear would keep calling him Marcus to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 04, 2013, 02:10:14 PM

I don't think Martinez would sign Bent. Not his sort of player - the Boselli failure will have taught him a hugely instructive lesson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 04, 2013, 02:57:05 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 04, 2013, 11:14:55 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 04, 2013, 11:06:23 AM

Daily Mail "Signing Benteke can reduce your chance of getting cancer, while also increasing immigrants.  Clubs confused about what to do"

From The Express "Benteke implicated in Diana death probe.  Sir Alex vows revenge."

More importantly, it's bound to have an adverse effect on house prices.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.
When I come on here to look at transfer rumours that's what iwant to look at.
The complete stereotyping is the overt racism that has become the norm just because I may have a different opinion to others. Have we sold/brought anyone today?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2013, 03:05:18 PM

Eh?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 04, 2013, 03:06:03 PM

Now you've been told

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2013, 03:06:45 PM

Double eh!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2013, 03:11:35 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 04, 2013, 03:06:45 PM

Double eh!

Stereo.
Typical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 04, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

Can we stop being precious about the newspapers we read and realise other people might not like them please?????

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 04, 2013, 03:13:30 PM

don't you just hate thick, racist Daily Mail readers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 03:15:23 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.

Stop being such a lesbian.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 04, 2013, 03:16:18 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 04, 2013, 03:13:30 PM

don't you just hate thick, racist Daily Mail readers.

Are there any other type?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 04, 2013, 03:28:57 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.
When I come on here to look at transfer rumours that's what iwant to look at.
The complete stereotyping is the overt racism that has become the norm just because I may have a different opinion to others. Have we sold/brought anyone today?

Welcome to Planet Guardian old chap :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 03:34:01 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.
When I come on here to look at transfer rumours that's what iwant to look at.
The complete stereotyping is the overt racism that has become the norm just because I may have a different opinion to others. Have we sold/brought anyone today?

Fuck that shit.

Brought anyone where? On holiday with us? To the pub?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2013, 03:35:24 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 03:15:23 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.

Stop being such a lesbian.

What do lesbian pirates say?

Argh, scissor me timbers!

A strong political message I am sure you will agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2013, 03:36:23 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.
When I come on here to look at transfer rumours that's what iwant to look at.
The complete stereotyping is the overt racism that has become the norm just because I may have a different opinion to others. Have we sold/brought anyone today?

I'll second that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 03:56:41 PM

Quote from: Hoppo on July 04, 2013, 02:58:53 PM

Can we stop Politicising this site? Can we stop stereotyping me that because I read certain papers I'm a racist, thick, xenophobic, benefit hating, teacher hating, public sector workers in general hater.

What on earth are you talking about?

A load of people making jokes about the Daily Mail presenting a transfer story is actually us stereotyping you as some sort of right wing lunatic?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 04, 2013, 03:56:52 PM

Right chaps.  No Humour.  No smiling.  No enjoying yourselves.  The fascists are here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2013, 04:00:03 PM

I thought you were describing socialists. Balls to that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:00:06 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 04, 2013, 03:13:30 PM

don't you just hate thick, racist Daily Mail readers.

Yes, they're all the bloody same. My next door neighbour reads the Daily Mail and she's a fat, obnoxious, thick twat

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 04:00:40 PM

Didn't think it would take long. Fuck'em all and smile and be jolly. Oh sorry, we are not allowed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2013, 04:07:02 PM

This is all Lambert's fault. If he hadn't been so quick to do so much transfer business we would still be able to bemoan the lack of activity and get frustrated with the club. Does he not understand the way we do things? Did he not see how well MON acted in the transfer market so to keep us occupied over those summers?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2013, 04:15:56 PM

According to Enoch Powell's diaries we're back in for Mark Walters. He doesn't reckon it'll end well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:17:34 PM

I bet you Dave Whelan reads the Daily Mail...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 04:26:20 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:17:34 PM

I bet you Dave Whelan reads the Daily Mail...

Dave Whelan and the Daily Mail - right wing self indulgent nutjobs. Well matched.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Why does politics have to feature in everything on here? It's fracking boring to listen to read.

It's all about left/right/left/right.

Sod it, I lean towards the Right slightly. But my real love is Villa. Which is why I'm here - I want to read up on Villa related things, transfers, transfer targets, who's staying, who's going etc...

It's like watching kids having a massive willy wanging match.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2013, 04:32:12 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

Good idea, it will also come in useful come the glorious day so we know who to shoot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 04, 2013, 04:33:00 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 04, 2013, 04:32:12 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

Good idea, it will also come in useful come the glorious day so we know who to shoot.

that's easy,  Bono first isn't it  ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:49:33 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Why does politics have to feature in everything on here? It's fracking boring to listen to read.

It's all about left/right/left/right.

Sod it, I lean towards the Right slightly. But my real love is Villa. Which is why I'm here - I want to read up on Villa related things, transfers, transfer targets, who's staying, who's going etc...

It's like watching kids having a massive willy wanging match.

I don't think it's right to stereotype all those on here interested in politics as willy wangers....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 04, 2013, 04:56:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:49:33 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Why does politics have to feature in everything on here? It's fracking boring to listen to read.

It's all about left/right/left/right.

Sod it, I lean towards the Right slightly. But my real love is Villa. Which is why I'm here - I want to read up on Villa related things, transfers, transfer targets, who's staying, who's going etc...

It's like watching kids having a massive willy wanging match.

I don't think it's right to stereotype all those on here interested in politics as willy wangers....

Typical willy wanger comment that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 05:02:51 PM

I did go to boarding school - Blue Coat in Harborne - where I think we might have engaged in a bit of willy wanging in the dorms after lights out. The senior dorm willy wanged the junior dorm as I recollect it...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:04:45 PM

Believe me... I studied Politics at University. And will debate things until the end of time...

But really, I just want to talk about Villa at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:06:51 PM

I just found that Willy Wanger is actually a man who lives in Germany.

That's made my day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 05:09:11 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 04:00:40 PM

Didn't think it would take long. Fuck'em all and smile and be jolly. Oh sorry, we are not allowed.

Not allowed to do what, by whom?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:09:46 PM

And Willy Wanger owns a driving school.

This just gets better!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2013, 05:10:17 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 04, 2013, 04:56:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:49:33 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Why does politics have to feature in everything on here? It's fracking boring to listen to read.

It's all about left/right/left/right.

Sod it, I lean towards the Right slightly. But my real love is Villa. Which is why I'm here - I want to read up on Villa related things, transfers, transfer targets, who's staying, who's going etc...

It's like watching kids having a massive willy wanging match.

I don't think it's right to stereotype all those on here interested in politics as willy wangers....

Typical willy wanger comment that.

That made me laugh. But then I like to think of myself as a self deprecating willy wanger. Actually, I'm far more interested in willy wanging than politics.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:13:09 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on July 04, 2013, 05:10:17 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 04, 2013, 04:56:45 PM

Quote from: richard moore on July 04, 2013, 04:49:33 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 04:29:10 PM

Why does politics have to feature in everything on here? It's fracking boring to listen to read.

It's all about left/right/left/right.

Sod it, I lean towards the Right slightly. But my real love is Villa. Which is why I'm here - I want to read up on Villa related things, transfers, transfer targets, who's staying, who's going etc...

It's like watching kids having a massive willy wanging match.

I don't think it's right to stereotype all those on here interested in politics as willy wangers....

Typical willy wanger comment that.

That made me laugh. But then I like to think of myself as a self deprecating willy wanger. Actually, I'm far more interested in willy wanging than politics.

I would almost certainly not admit to that in public...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on July 04, 2013, 05:14:09 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:04:45 PM

Believe me... I studied Politics at University. And will debate things until the end of time...

But really, I just want to talk about Villa at the moment.

We're slap bang in the middle of summer, as far removed from meaningful games as it's possible to be. Surely now is just the right time for stupid jokes and pointless asides. It will all get serious enough when we lose a couple of games and everyone starts falling out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 05:18:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 05:09:11 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 04:00:40 PM

Didn't think it would take long. Fuck'em all and smile and be jolly. Oh sorry, we are not allowed.

Not allowed to do what, by whom?

The facists pauliewalnuts. You know, those of who we do not speak. And the willy wangers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:20:38 PM

Very true. But why attempt to fall out over Politics?

I'd consider myself to see everything from both sides - and there is no right answer, just a perception in our minds as to what we think is the right answer.

The difference between being able to debate and not though is whether or not that posts which can criticise someone elses opinion are indeed insulting? Or whether they can tickle a laugh out?

I liked the one about having the Tory identifying name tag on here... as a self professed Righty (but not that right!), I can't take it too seriously at all. In fact, I half expect my username to get changed on that admission to something like chris_jephtory. I can cope with that... I don't mind it at all.

The trouble is politics is a massive area of debate, argument and non-consensus. You'll never get a full agreement on anything at all, and it's most likely to cause offence to some people than not... which is why, like my enormous schlong, I don't get it out and wave it in people's faces. Politics is very much like a mans cocks - we all have one, just try not to wave it around in public too much!!

As I said, there is no right answer in it, there is no wrong answer. I believe I see things in balance really - and I won't vote Tory again either!!

And no... I don't read the Daily Fuhrer. It curdles my blood.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 05:21:44 PM

I don't think we should sign any more foreign players, in case they start claiming benefits and encouraging our children to eat smelly food.

In fact, I prefer tennis to football. Football is full of hooligans and chavs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:23:19 PM

Damon... you've obviously never met a Tennis Hooligan. They scare me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 05:23:40 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 05:21:44 PM

I don't think we should sign any more foreign players, in case they start claiming benefits and encouraging our children to eat smelly food.

In fact, I prefer tennis to football. Football is full of hooligans and chavs.

Well fuck off and eat some more strawberries then  ;D
And before you start you can put down that offensive looking cucumber sandwich as well as the china cup with earl grey in it. Tennis Hooligan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 05:38:08 PM

The irony is we'd barely mentioned politics until someone told us to stop it. Which then just sets it off, like giggling or something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 04, 2013, 05:51:23 PM

Back on topic..

Is Willy Wanger a winger and are we any closer to getting our hands on him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 04, 2013, 05:53:30 PM

I'd like to think that it was my hilarious joke about house prices that set this off, but not even I'm that conceited.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2013, 05:55:08 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:20:38 PM

As I said, there is no right answer in it, there is no wrong answer.

I don't think you'd get away with that on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 05:56:25 PM

Spurs poised for striker move according to kendrick

@MatKendrick: Tottenham target Christian B told he can talk to clubs (Yes, I had to do a double take too!) #avfc http://t.co/tAtR5OoZ3i

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 04, 2013, 05:58:52 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 04, 2013, 05:04:45 PM

But really, I just want to talk about Villa at the moment.

On H&V? Never happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 04, 2013, 05:59:34 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 05:56:25 PM

@MatKendrick: Tottenham target Christian B told he can talk to clubs (Yes, I had to do a double take too!) #avfc http://t.co/tAtR5OoZ3i

That's not funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on July 04, 2013, 06:00:59 PM

bar steward I nearly cacked my pants

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2013, 06:02:29 PM

he must mean Christian Benitez

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2013, 06:04:00 PM

Hope they get Benitez.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 04, 2013, 06:04:42 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 05:56:25 PM

Spurs poised for striker move according to kendrick

@MatKendrick: Tottenham target Christian B told he can talk to clubs (Yes, I had to do a double take too!) #avfc http://t.co/tAtR5OoZ3i

Jesus it's gonna take me a few minutes to calm down after reading that. Almost shat myself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 06:18:24 PM

Just changed my shorts !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 06:22:39 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 06:18:24 PM

Just changed my shorts !!

I take it mrs Lanza is washing the soiled ones as we speak danny boy :)
That kendrick likes a joke now and again - scurrilous upstart !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 06:27:56 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 06:22:39 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 06:18:24 PM

Just changed my shorts !!

I take it mrs Lanza is washing the soiled ones as we speak danny boy :)
That kendrick likes a joke now and again - scurrilous upstart !

She is, and doing a fine job of it. Kendrick does like a wind up, the git.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on July 04, 2013, 06:42:58 PM

All socialists are sponging lazy idiots.
Ed Balls wants to spend all your money.
The unions are engaged in a plot to cheat their placemen into parliament and vote in even more generous terms for their lazy, couldn't get a proper job members.
Teachers are lazy feckers more interested in themselves than kids.
Ed Milli Vanilli  couldn't run a bath.
There you go turn my name blue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 06:56:28 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on July 04, 2013, 06:42:58 PM

All socialists are sponging lazy idiots.
Ed Balls wants to spend all your money.
The unions are engaged in a plot to cheat their placemen into parliament and vote in even more generous terms for their lazy, couldn't get a proper job members.
Teachers are lazy feckers more interested in themselves than kids.
Ed Milli Vanilli  couldn't run a bath.
There you go turn my name blue.

You need more than that to have your name turned blue. Legion says so  8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 04, 2013, 07:24:46 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on July 04, 2013, 06:42:58 PM

All socialists are sponging lazy idiots.
Ed Balls wants to spend all your money.
The unions are engaged in a plot to cheat their placemen into parliament and vote in even more generous terms for their lazy, couldn't get a proper job members.
Teachers are lazy feckers more interested in themselves than kids.
Ed Milli Vanilli  couldn't run a bath.
There you go turn my name blue.

As a retired teacher I take great exception to this ignorant rant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: phantom limb on July 04, 2013, 07:37:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 05:56:25 PM

Spurs poised for striker move according to kendrick

@MatKendrick: Tottenham target Christian B told he can talk to clubs (Yes, I had to do a double take too!) #avfc http://t.co/tAtR5OoZ3i

ChooChoo returns! Maybe he'll score more than erm, two goals this time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rochdale Villain on July 04, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Sorry to interrupt the politics debate n' stuff, but as anyone seen this. . . http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/foreign-papertalk

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 04, 2013, 07:47:45 PM

Quote from: Rochdale Villain on July 04, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Sorry to interrupt the politics debate n' stuff, but as anyone seen this. . . http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/foreign-papertalk

Would be ideal. I would be surprised to see anything of this size happen until Bent is sold though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 07:50:06 PM

Seen it and waiting for it to come true. Nothing yet though. :-X

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2013, 07:51:09 PM

Hope it's true and they accept.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 07:51:26 PM

Quote from: JR89 on July 04, 2013, 07:47:45 PM

Quote from: Rochdale Villain on July 04, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Sorry to interrupt the politics debate n' stuff, but as anyone seen this. . . http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/foreign-papertalk

Would be ideal. I would be surprised to see anything of this size happen until Bent is sold though.

I think the key to getting him may be whether he has a buy out clause in his nurnberg deal, if not i can't see them letting him go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself to roll up a copy of the Telegraph and give you a damn thrashing you ruddy oik!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 04, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 08:12:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

You can do better than that mate , surely ? I did laugh though ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 04, 2013, 08:20:19 PM

Not sure how much EyeFootball know about anything but they are reporting that Kiyotake has a release clause of around 16m (Euro) .

Link -

http://www.eyefootball.com/news/13900/Chelsea-monitoring-Hiroshi-Kiyotake.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2013, 08:31:10 PM

Quote from: JR89 on July 04, 2013, 07:47:45 PM

Quote from: Rochdale Villain on July 04, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Sorry to interrupt the politics debate n' stuff, but as anyone seen this. . . http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/foreign-papertalk

Would be ideal. I would be surprised to see anything of this size happen until Bent is sold though.

After the link to Belhanda and now this player, it does seem that PL is looking to bring in an attacking midfielder this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2013, 08:43:05 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 04, 2013, 08:31:10 PM

Quote from: JR89 on July 04, 2013, 07:47:45 PM

Quote from: Rochdale Villain on July 04, 2013, 07:43:26 PM

Sorry to interrupt the politics debate n' stuff, but as anyone seen this. . . http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/foreign-papertalk

Would be ideal. I would be surprised to see anything of this size happen until Bent is sold though.

After the link to Belhanda and now this player, it does seem that PL is looking to bring in an attacking midfielder this summer.

Well we need one. Delph-Sylla-Westwood did very well at the end of last season but that will only take you so far up the league, no league goals there for a start nor in any of our other central midfielders.

I have a good feeling we'll sign the Japanese fellow. Certainly more interest than Belhanda. Might take a few weeks but can see us creeping up the bid to 10m and I reckon Nuremburg will bite on that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 04, 2013, 08:52:17 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

No but Richard Dunnpling came close!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PGW on July 04, 2013, 08:54:02 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 04, 2013, 08:52:17 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

No but Richard Dunnpling came close!

The question was have we had a Japanese player before not a Sumo wrestler!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 08:59:56 PM

Quote from: PGW on July 04, 2013, 08:54:02 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 04, 2013, 08:52:17 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

No but Richard Dunnpling came close!

The question was have we had a Japanese player before not a Sumo wrestler!!!

Just because Mr Dunne can eat more Chinese than Big Blue Nosed Barry can eat Indian food does not make him a Sumo Wrestler. He's not fit enough to be a bloody Sumo Wrestler !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on July 04, 2013, 09:03:22 PM

As Li Yung

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 04, 2013, 09:03:40 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Only in goal. Nigri Spink. Guzan does a great diving California Roll. Les Sushi. But, watching Heskey trying to trap a ball made us all exclaim Wotsatbe?! Irish Villa fans marvelled at McGrath being soy great. Finally, Steve Sidwell at a team mate's wedding was pickled ginger.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 04, 2013, 09:20:15 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Lee-Hi

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2013, 09:21:30 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

lichaj sounded a bit Oriental ???

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2013, 09:23:34 PM

Le Hendwie

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jcsutv on July 04, 2013, 09:26:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Nope, but it does make you take it up yourself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Still got a taste for fags then?

I imagine you gratuitously smoking a real cigarette from a silver holder, one of those long black ones (Moore)? In a smoking jacket, with a leering half-smile.

"Haha Mrs W. They all think I'm a commie on here, don't you know".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 09:33:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

Yung is not Japanese - rather Chinese. The Korean version has more a of J inflection so is comonly Jung .

Aside from that I think he would be a very good addition.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 04, 2013, 09:33:53 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Ian Omoshiroid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 04, 2013, 09:37:20 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 04, 2013, 09:33:53 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Ian Omoshiroid

Kevin Richard-san.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 09:40:55 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Still got a taste for fags then?

I imagine you gratuitously smoking a real cigarette from a silver holder, one of those long black ones (Moore)? In a smoking jacket, with a leering half-smile.

"Haha Mrs W. They all think I'm a commie on here, don't you know".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJVGuxj7AWQ

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 09:45:58 PM

Quote from: jcsutv on July 04, 2013, 09:26:26 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Nope, but it does make you take it up yourself.

Thank you jcsutv. Not sure paulie clocked that bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on July 04, 2013, 09:46:29 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 09:33:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

Yung is not Japanese - rather Chinese. The Korean version has more a of J inflection so is comonly Jung .

Aside from that I think he would be a very good addition.

wasn't he the Foreman who prayed at work?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2013, 09:56:23 PM

I know I am apart of it, but what the fuck have we done to this thread?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on July 04, 2013, 09:57:07 PM

Its summer and the drivel is easy...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: willywombat on July 04, 2013, 09:57:14 PM

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else but this is Nathan Redmonds Facebook message, going back to whether he is/isn't a Villa fan - I think he's cleared that one up nicely : Quote:   it has been a very emotional 11 years for me at Birmingham City FC and i have loved every single minute of it. Coming through the ranks with Mitchell Hancox and Callum Reilly has been a journey and a half and i have loved it. I really really am going to miss it from the bottom of my heart. My nan who passed away last year always use to tell me "never forget where u have come from " Well i came from Birmingham City FC !! ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ... this club will remain etched on my heart and soul for life, i am just sorry that i had to leave but i am looking forward to the next step on my journey as a professional footballer. Thank you so much to you the fans for supporting me on my journey from school boy to young professional. I will always KRO !!! x yours always Nathan Redmond x

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 10:03:41 PM

Quote from: Colhint on July 04, 2013, 09:46:29 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 09:33:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 04, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 04, 2013, 07:58:04 PM

He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

Yung is not Japanese - rather Chinese. The Korean version has more a of J inflection so is comonly Jung .

Aside from that I think he would be a very good addition.

wasn't he the Foreman who prayed at work?

Nope you've lost me I'm afraid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 10:05:02 PM

I take offence at being called a whatever it was that thingy called me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 04, 2013, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: willywombat on July 04, 2013, 09:57:14 PM

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else but this is Nathan Redmonds Facebook message, going back to whether he is/isn't a Villa fan - I think he's cleared that one up nicely : Quote:   it has been a very emotional 11 years for me at Birmingham City FC and i have loved every single minute of it. Coming through the ranks with Mitchell Hancox and Callum Reilly has been a journey and a half and i have loved it. I really really am going to miss it from the bottom of my heart. My nan who passed away last year always use to tell me "never forget where u have come from " Well i came from Birmingham City FC !! ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ... this club will remain etched on my heart and soul for life, i am just sorry that i had to leave but i am looking forward to the next step on my journey as a professional footballer. Thank you so much to you the fans for supporting me on my journey from school boy to young professional. I will always KRO !!! x yours always Nathan Redmond x

that is so sweet, yet so sad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 04, 2013, 10:06:10 PM

Quote from: willywombat on July 04, 2013, 09:57:14 PM

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else but this is Nathan Redmonds Facebook message, going back to whether he is/isn't a Villa fan - I think he's cleared that one up nicely : Quote:   it has been a very emotional 11 years for me at Birmingham City FC and i have loved every single minute of it. Coming through the ranks with Mitchell Hancox and Callum Reilly has been a journey and a half and i have loved it. I really really am going to miss it from the bottom of my heart. My nan who passed away last year always use to tell me "never forget where u have come from " Well i came from Birmingham City FC !! ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ... this club will remain etched on my heart and soul for life, i am just sorry that i had to leave but i am looking forward to the next step on my journey as a professional footballer. Thank you so much to you the fans for supporting me on my journey from school boy to young professional. I will always KRO !!! x yours always Nathan Redmond x

Morning willywombat. Hope you are well. Fair play to him for being so ill for that many years. At least now he is in recovery, the daft twat. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 10:38:04 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 09:28:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 09:06:15 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 04, 2013, 08:03:25 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 04:05:45 PM

I think we should politicise this site a bit more. Maybe we could have tories' usernames in blue as a sort of warning to be careful when reading their posts.

 A bit like the Sex Offenders Register.

Of course, as with sex offenders, the problem is getting the buggers to admit it.

As the self titled King of the Torys on here following the departure of our much beloved and angry leader (riposi in pace Risso, riposi in pace.) I take it up myself

Typical Tory. Public school by any chance?

Having gone to a public school doesn't make you automatically a Tory, mind.

*nervously smokes imaginary cigarette*

Still got a taste for fags then?

I imagine you gratuitously smoking a real cigarette from a silver holder, one of those long black ones (Moore)? In a smoking jacket, with a leering half-smile.

"Haha Mrs W. They all think I'm a commie on here, don't you know".

I've got a slave oik typing this shit out for me.

I just recline, smoke my pipe, and dictate my musings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 10:39:24 PM

Quote from: willywombat on July 04, 2013, 09:57:14 PM

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else but this is Nathan Redmonds Facebook message, going back to whether he is/isn't a Villa fan - I think he's cleared that one up nicely : Quote:   it has been a very emotional 11 years for me at Birmingham City FC and i have loved every single minute of it. Coming through the ranks with Mitchell Hancox and Callum Reilly has been a journey and a half and i have loved it. I really really am going to miss it from the bottom of my heart. My nan who passed away last year always use to tell me "never forget where u have come from " Well i came from Birmingham City FC !! ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE ... this club will remain etched on my heart and soul for life, i am just sorry that i had to leave but i am looking forward to the next step on my journey as a professional footballer. Thank you so much to you the fans for supporting me on my journey from school boy to young professional. I will always KRO !!! x yours always Nathan Redmond x

Percy needs to have serious words in the family.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 04, 2013, 10:42:20 PM

Poor, stupid kid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2013, 10:43:58 PM

jump ,  glug glug glug sink

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2013, 10:45:46 PM

I nearly threw up reading Redmond's comments. If Percy's right, he's seriously kissing arse (possibly in fear of having to go back there at some point).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 04, 2013, 10:54:26 PM

He's a Villan alright. Or at least a non Dogshitter. A real Dogshitter would have been unable to resist a SOTV after typing KRO. Its like, their law. If they ever upheld one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2013, 11:42:05 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Although, to be honest, if it's a toss up between Kendrick and that absolute headcase Julie Bayley on Twitter, I know which one I'd believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2013, 11:45:01 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Whoever is telling him knows everything. Whether they tell him the whole truth is a different matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 04, 2013, 11:45:02 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 04, 2013, 10:45:46 PM

I nearly threw up reading Redmond's comments. If Percy's right, he's seriously kissing arse (possibly in fear of having to go back there at some point).

The family's Villa through and through, as far as the eye can see. It could be that like Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler (all Everton I think), he's just developed a fondness for them after being there such a long time. I mean, Hendrie was a nose once, but spending so long at a club is bound to have an effect on one I'd have thought.

You know, it's kind of been his job for 11 years to make b-lose teams win football matches, and be pleased on the rare occasions they do so.  It's bound to send you yampy eventually.

Also, I know his mom, three of his uncles (and all their kids), at least one of his aunts and four of my kids who are his cousins are chuffed he's left them so they can feel a bit better about hoping he does well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on July 04, 2013, 11:56:00 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 04, 2013, 10:03:41 PM

Quote from: Colhint on July 04, 2013, 09:46:29 PM

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He would be exactly what we need.

Have we ever had a Japanese player before?

Yung lee hendrie?

Yung is not Japanese - rather Chinese. The Korean version has more a of J inflection so is comonly Jung .

Aside from that I think he would be a very good addition.

wasn't he the Foreman who prayed at work?

Nope you've lost me I'm afraid

just a line from Bowie's Drive in Saturday

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:57:54 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2013, 11:45:01 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Whoever is telling him knows everything. Whether they tell him the whole truth is a different matter.

If that is the case he must know that he is either told nothing or vaguely hears something. he's feeding off scraps and using any nugget of information as evidence of him being a Villa insider correspondent. Surely he'd just say,"Sod that".He must know he's been used or played. Throw him a scrap and he'll be happy. has he no dignity?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 12:03:24 AM

Anyone easily offended and wandering into this thread will note that lazy Brummie racists who copy their xenophobic ancestors are incapable of distinguishing between Chinese & Japanese people. Nor of appreciating half decent Villa player Jap punning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 12:07:22 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:57:54 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2013, 11:45:01 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Whoever is telling him knows everything. Whether they tell him the whole truth is a different matter.

If that is the case he must know that he is either told nothing or vaguely hears something. he's feeding off scraps and using any nugget of information as evidence of him being a Villa insider correspondent. Surely he'd just say,"Sod that".He must know he's been used or played. Throw him a scrap and he'll be happy. has he no dignity?

 He, like all reporters, writes what he finds out - how is he supposed to do any different?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2013, 12:08:21 AM

He could just start working for The Sun and make it all up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:13:42 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 12:07:22 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:57:54 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2013, 11:45:01 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

Quote from: pr_N'villa on July 04, 2013, 11:18:21 PM

Matt kendrick replying to a follower on twitter regarding kiyotake.

@MatKendrick:
@willows17  I mean that Villa did enquire, but from what I am told, they are unlikely to pursue their interest

Well we've ascertained that Kendrick isn't that well informed. So whoever is telling him isn't anyone who knows much either. we may or may not be going for him, but Kendrick hasn't got a clue.

Whoever is telling him knows everything. Whether they tell him the whole truth is a different matter.

If that is the case he must know that he is either told nothing or vaguely hears something. he's feeding off scraps and using any nugget of information as evidence of him being a Villa insider correspondent. Surely he'd just say,"Sod that".He must know he's been used or played. Throw him a scrap and he'll be happy. has he no dignity?

 He, like all reporters, writes what he finds out - how is he supposed to do any different?

I appreciate that side of it and understand his professional needs. But I'm talking about him as a person. At what point do you seriously start questioning things?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:15:42 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 12:03:24 AM

Anyone easily offended and wandering into this thread will note that lazy Brummie racists who copy their xenophobic ancestors are incapable of distinguishing between Chinese & Japanese people. Nor of appreciating half decent Villa player Jap punning.

I'll never forget standing at the back of the Holte for the Villa - Blackburn replay in 90. The faithful started singing,'We hate Yorkshire and we hate Yorkshire'. I just shook my head in embarrassment. Thick twats.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:21:51 AM

Back on transfers if I may. What about Scott Parker? I reckon he'll either be on his way out at Tottenham or on the bench at best. He's not going to go anywhere that will match his Tottenham wages - whatever they are but I bet its quite high - so what clubswould he want to join. Agrowing, young team,that lambert is trying to build that is full of fire and passion, ability, and bags of potential. We won't pay him more than 40-45k a week probably, but no-one else will pay him much more than that. I also doubt we couldn't afford the transfer fee.

Ialso think he is the type of footballer that Lambert goes for. I really don't think Lambert is against buying experienced players as long asthey except our wage structure which I think Parker would. He'd be ideal for our midfield. And he's a realistic target.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 12:25:18 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:13:42 AM

I appreciate that side of it and understand his professional needs. But I'm talking about him as a person. At what point do you seriously start questioning things?

What is there to question? "Are you interested in x?" "No." Where do you go from there?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 12:26:23 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:15:42 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 12:03:24 AM

Anyone easily offended and wandering into this thread will note that lazy Brummie racists who copy their xenophobic ancestors are incapable of distinguishing between Chinese & Japanese people. Nor of appreciating half decent Villa player Jap punning.

I'll never forget standing at the back of the Holte for the Villa - Blackburn replay in 90. The faithful started singing,'We hate Yorkshire and we hate Yorkshire'. I just shook my head in embarrassment. Thick twats.

I remember when we attacked a Sunderland mob up town, early eighties it would have been. People were shouting 'Geordie scum, get out of Brum'. I was so embarrassed I couldn't hit anybody.

Dim-wits.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2013, 12:26:27 AM

It would be a no from me for Parker. He's 33 soon, on a reported 60K a week, and Spurs supposedly want a few million for him. The exact type of signing I hope we stay well away from.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on July 05, 2013, 12:27:11 AM

Bosko Balabanzai

Tojo Bennett

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:32:56 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 12:25:18 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:13:42 AM

I appreciate that side of it and understand his professional needs. But I'm talking about him as a person. At what point do you seriously start questioning things?

What is there to question? "Are you interested in x?" "No." Where do you go from there?

Maybe it doesn't help that I don't know who he is.I'm assuming he's the Villa reporter for some local paper.

as I said, I get that. My point is at what stage does hewonder what the point is and starts asking for different briefs or just starts writing negatively about the club?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 05, 2013, 12:37:56 AM

Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, what are these?

I was doing the actions and everything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 12:39:00 AM

At the point when he wants to go back to writing for Heroes and Villains for...erm...a lot less money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 05, 2013, 12:47:53 AM

Quote from: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:15:42 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 12:03:24 AM

Anyone easily offended and wandering into this thread will note that lazy Brummie racists who copy their xenophobic ancestors are incapable of distinguishing between Chinese & Japanese people. Nor of appreciating half decent Villa player Jap punning.

I'll never forget standing at the back of the Holte for the Villa - Blackburn replay in 90. The faithful started singing,'We hate Yorkshire and we hate Yorkshire'. I just shook my head in embarrassment. Thick twats.

Yeah, the 'and' is completely unnecessary.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2013, 12:52:34 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 12:39:00 AM

At the point when he wants to go back to writing for Heroes and Villains for...erm...a lot less money.

I remember another thread mentioning this. Didn't realise itwas one and the same person. Oh okay then, fair do's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Maybe they didn't, maybe they just really hated Yorkshire.

I for example think that Bedfordshire is shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2013, 07:41:22 AM

Perhaps they were Blackburn fans who had "taken the Holte"? I'd imagine they hate Yorkshire. And I think calling Mackems "Geordies" is acceptable, though inaccurate, as it winds them up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 07:48:58 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 07:41:22 AM

Perhaps they were Blackburn fans who had "taken the Holte"? I'd imagine they hate Yorkshire. And I think calling Mackems "Geordies" is acceptable, though inaccurate, as it winds them up.

I made my one up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2013, 07:54:53 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 07:48:58 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 07:41:22 AM

Perhaps they were Blackburn fans who had "taken the Holte"? I'd imagine they hate Yorkshire. And I think calling Mackems "Geordies" is acceptable, though inaccurate, as it winds them up.

I made my one up.

Typical bloody Solihull behaviour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 08:04:07 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Maybe they didn't, maybe they just really hated Yorkshire.

I for example think that Bedfordshire is shit.

How dare you sir,surely you're thinking of bucks,not beds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2013, 08:08:12 AM

Bedfordshire has Luton in it. Therefore, it is shit. Sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 05, 2013, 08:23:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 08:08:12 AM

Bedfordshire has Luton in it. Therefore, it is shit. Sorry.

agreed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 05, 2013, 11:23:53 AM

Whether or not he knows much, Kendrick does have a relatively good record on the occasions he does make more definitive statements. I'm jut pleased we're apparently interested in highly-rated Japanese playmakers, and willing to pay around £8m for them. That's not bad at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 11:33:44 AM

Quote from: Montbert on July 05, 2013, 11:23:53 AM

Whether or not he knows much, Kendrick does have a relatively good record on the occasions he does make more definitive statements. I'm jut pleased we're apparently interested in highly-rated Japanese playmakers, and willing to pay around £8m for them. That's not bad at all.

Quite right.

Think back to the MON years. His idea of "Japanese playmaker" was probably a character from Mario Kart.

Also, I know the press sometimes know nothing, and sometimes invent stuff, but I'd trust Kendrick's opinion over that of some screaming Twitter mentalist in the Lake District every day of the week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 11:37:46 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 05, 2013, 08:23:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 08:08:12 AM

Bedfordshire has Luton in it. Therefore, it is shit. Sorry.

agreed

Why do you think I no longer live there,but least its not Dunstable !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 05, 2013, 12:20:33 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Maybe they didn't, maybe they just really hated Yorkshire.

I for example think that Bedfordshire is shit.

Yorkshire is a fine place. But it does have a lot of holes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 05, 2013, 12:33:33 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 05, 2013, 12:20:33 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Maybe they didn't, maybe they just really hated Yorkshire.

I for example think that Bedfordshire is shit.

Yorkshire is a fine place. But it does have a lot of holes.

I thought Lancashire had the holes? Blackburn specifically? They were all counted and coincidentally, that same number of holes could fill the Albert hall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 05, 2013, 12:47:06 PM

Hence the possible confusion

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 05, 2013, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 11:37:46 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 05, 2013, 08:23:38 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 08:08:12 AM

Bedfordshire has Luton in it. Therefore, it is shit. Sorry.

agreed

Why do you think I no longer live there,but least its not Dunstable !

I'd rather live in Luton than Stoke however

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 05, 2013, 12:53:03 PM

From the three pages of tripe ive just read, im ascertaining there is no transfer news today?......(Korean Lee Hendrie does not count)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on July 05, 2013, 12:58:30 PM

Quote from: glasses on July 05, 2013, 12:33:33 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 05, 2013, 12:20:33 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 05, 2013, 12:17:07 AM

Peter W is quite a harsh man.

He's got a point, though, anyone who thinks Blackburn is in Yorkshire truly is beyond salvation.

Maybe they didn't, maybe they just really hated Yorkshire.

I for example think that Bedfordshire is shit.

Yorkshire is a fine place. But it does have a lot of holes.

I thought Lancashire had the holes? Blackburn specifically? They were all counted and coincidentally, that same number of holes could fill the Albert hall.

Well done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2013, 01:06:07 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 05, 2013, 12:53:03 PM

From the three pages of tripe ive just read, im ascertaining there is no transfer news today?......(Korean Lee Hendrie does not count)

There has not, but apparently Kiyotake will be signing today, and disputing this fact will render you a lair.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2013, 01:20:35 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

However, the mob from there was good in the cartoons

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PGW on July 05, 2013, 01:31:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

Isnt that where the 'Ampthill Mob' originate from!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2013, 02:11:27 PM

Quote from: PGW on July 05, 2013, 01:31:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

Isnt that where the 'Ampthill Mob' originate from!

Ahem.......... ^^^^

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 05, 2013, 02:22:41 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

its an expensive area now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 05, 2013, 02:36:37 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 11:37:46 AM

Why do you think I no longer live there,but least its not Dunstable !

I've got family in Dunstable. Never been but I suspect it's a pretty bad place.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 05, 2013, 02:48:26 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

I know an old woman who swallowed a fly ... She swallowed a fly but i don't know why :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 03:17:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 05, 2013, 02:48:26 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

I know an old woman who swallowed a fly ... She swallowed a fly but i don't know why :(

Perhaps she'll die.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2013, 04:11:50 PM

Better than living in Luton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 05, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 04:11:50 PM

Better than living in Luton.

So is dying slowly from gangrene of the cock.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

My brother moved from Luton to there, its quite quaint with some nice pubs and nice countryside, moving from Luton makes it seem far better than it probably is, its better than Flitwick i suppose.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

Flitwick is awful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 04:40:19 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

It's got some very nice places just outside. Stone, and the moors.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on July 05, 2013, 04:42:00 PM

I live in Luton its fucking awful

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 05, 2013, 04:57:02 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 04:40:19 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

It's got some very nice places just outside. Stone, and the moors.

Stoke city centre was on my list of things to do before I die.. So we went a couple of weeks ago. Unbelieveable awful is being charitable.The indoor market makes Wolverhampton market look like Las Vegas.

We couldnt wait to get back to Stafford and civilisation.

Only Crewe is worse.  As Dave says Stone is quite nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 05:12:03 PM

Sunderland is a terrible, terrible place.

So is Middlesbrough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 05, 2013, 05:19:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2013, 05:12:03 PM

Sunderland is a terrible, terrible place.

So is Middlesbrough.

Had many great times in sunderland down by roker beach - totally disagree  with you there paulie( although that was equally as down to the women as the scenery )  , Middlesbrough is a bit grim i will agree but there is always sunny hartlepool on sea just up the road :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 05, 2013, 05:22:25 PM

I lived in Luton for 4 years, it is quite bad, still good memories and some great friends there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

My brother moved from Luton to there, its quite quaint with some nice pubs and nice countryside, moving from Luton makes it seem far better than it probably is, its better than Flitwick i suppose.

Howdy ex neighbour! I was brought up in Maulden, which is between Ampthill and Clophill. It had five pubs then, ideal for my underage drinking phase.

Which digressions all go to show what utter slackers Aston Villa are. Why have we had to wait so many days for another transfer?! :-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

My brother moved from Luton to there, its quite quaint with some nice pubs and nice countryside, moving from Luton makes it seem far better than it probably is, its better than Flitwick i suppose.

Howdy ex neighbour! I was brought up in Maulden, which is between Ampthill and Clophill. It had five pubs then, ideal for my underage drinking phase.

Which digressions all go to show what utter slackers Aston Villa are. Why have we had to wait so many days for another transfer?! :-)

I know Maulden well, I still go down the White Hart sometimes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 06:19:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

My brother moved from Luton to there, its quite quaint with some nice pubs and nice countryside, moving from Luton makes it seem far better than it probably is, its better than Flitwick i suppose.

Howdy ex neighbour! I was brought up in Maulden, which is between Ampthill and Clophill. It had five pubs then, ideal for my underage drinking phase.

Which digressions all go to show what utter slackers Aston Villa are. Why have we had to wait so many days for another transfer?! :-)

I know Maulden well, I still go down the White Hart sometimes.

My old dear goes there quite regular for food,this is turning into a Bedfordshire love in !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 05, 2013, 06:27:06 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 05, 2013, 04:57:02 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2013, 04:40:19 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

I know a woman that was born in Luton, but moved to Stoke as Luton was so bad.

I've never been to Luton, but Stoke is unbelievably awful.

It's got some very nice places just outside. Stone, and the moors.

Stoke city centre was on my list of things to do before I die.. So we went a couple of weeks ago. Unbelieveable awful is being charitable.The indoor market makes Wolverhampton market look like Las Vegas.

We couldnt wait to get back to Stafford and civilisation.

Only Crewe is worse.  As Dave says Stone is quite nice.

Stoke City Centre? Blimey, I've never found it. In fact I'm not sure it actually exists does it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2013, 06:28:39 PM

Mat Kendrick and Pete Colley don't half get some stick on Twitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2013, 06:48:06 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 05, 2013, 06:28:39 PM

Mat Kendrick and Pete Colley don't half get some stick on Twitter.

Why?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on July 05, 2013, 07:43:51 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 05, 2013, 06:28:39 PM

Mat Kendrick and Pete Colley don't half get some stick on Twitter.

Any time I see Colley's name mentioned I always remember Doug describing him as "the big C" in a presser. Made me smile at the time, makes me smile now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2013, 08:51:53 PM

Apparently we are getting Ba on loan, to replace Benteke.........
......yawn.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 08:52:06 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 06:19:35 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 05, 2013, 04:31:21 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2013, 01:27:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 05, 2013, 01:18:52 PM

Ampthill. Now there's a crap place. That's in Bedfordshire.

Harsh that's where I spent most of my youth, it's pretty dull but pleasant enough.

My brother moved from Luton to there, its quite quaint with some nice pubs and nice countryside, moving from Luton makes it seem far better than it probably is, its better than Flitwick i suppose.

Howdy ex neighbour! I was brought up in Maulden, which is between Ampthill and Clophill. It had five pubs then, ideal for my underage drinking phase.

Which digressions all go to show what utter slackers Aston Villa are. Why have we had to wait so many days for another transfer?! :-)

I know Maulden well, I still go down the White Hart sometimes.

My old dear goes there quite regular for food,this is turning into a Bedfordshire love in !!

A good choice & we lived 5 mins walk from the White Hart. As 16-17 year olds, we favoured the George. Nice ale and sausage n chips in a basket. It was boarded up the last time I drove past about a year ago. Pub food in a basket-another great thing ruined by elfin safety.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 05, 2013, 09:05:25 PM

Quote from: Ger Regan on July 05, 2013, 07:43:51 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 05, 2013, 06:28:39 PM

Mat Kendrick and Pete Colley don't half get some stick on Twitter.

Any time I see Colley's name mentioned I always remember Doug describing him as "the big C" in a presser. Made me smile at the time, makes me smile now.

I was just thinking about that too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 10:29:22 PM

We would stun the Luton fans if we sang 'We love you Ampthill, we do; We like you Clophill, we do; We quite like Maulden, we do; But Luton, we hate you.'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 10:45:54 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 05, 2013, 04:42:00 PM

I live in Luton its fucking awful

Well I live just north of Luton and it is far from awful. While I dont go near the town centre, there are some nice places in and around the area, just like many places in Birmingham

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2013, 10:50:49 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 05, 2013, 06:48:06 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 05, 2013, 06:28:39 PM

Mat Kendrick and Pete Colley don't half get some stick on Twitter.

Why?

People claiming to be ITK calling them liars just because Kendrick/Colley have said that we're not in for this Japanese player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 10:52:15 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 10:45:54 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 05, 2013, 04:42:00 PM

I live in Luton its fucking awful

Well I live just north of Luton and it is far from awful. While I dont go near the town centre, there are some nice places in and around the area, just like many places in Birmingham

Harpenden? Posher than Solihull even. Eric Morecambe lived there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 10:59:02 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 05, 2013, 10:52:15 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 10:45:54 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on July 05, 2013, 04:42:00 PM

I live in Luton its fucking awful

Well I live just north of Luton and it is far from awful. While I dont go near the town centre, there are some nice places in and around the area, just like many places in Birmingham

Harpenden? Posher than Solihull even. Eric Morecambe lived there.

Unfotrunately, I am not posh enough to live there lol, not far from luton at all but think that is actually classed as Hertfordshire. Think lots of Arsenal players used to live in the area, Lee Dixon for sure

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Back then, Luton was a cross-genre extravaganza, musically speaking. You just didn't know what would happen next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Back then, Luton was a cross-genre extravaganza, musically speaking. You just didn't know what would happen next.

When I first moved here, there were masses of pubs everywhere, was great atmosphere in town, how times have seemingly changed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2013, 11:35:30 PM

Am I the only person on this forum who hasn't lived in Luton?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Back then, Luton was a cross-genre extravaganza, musically speaking. You just didn't know what would happen next.

When I first moved here, there were masses of pubs everywhere, was great atmosphere in town, how times have seemingly changed

I've visited sporadically over the last 25 years. Some high points, musically, some ...not so much.
Next visit is 23rd July though for the Villa! Are you going?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2013, 11:49:41 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 11:35:30 PM

Am I the only person on this forum who hasn't lived in Luton?

Nope. I have been to the airport to drop off my mother in law with a 1 way ticket to Slovenia though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:59:36 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Back then, Luton was a cross-genre extravaganza, musically speaking. You just didn't know what would happen next.

When I first moved here, there were masses of pubs everywhere, was great atmosphere in town, how times have seemingly changed

I've visited sporadically over the last 25 years. Some high points, musically, some ...not so much.
Next visit is 23rd July though for the Villa! Are you going?

Yes, will be going. Actually moved here towards the end of 1980's and shortly afterwards their wanker of a chairman brought in no away fans, but was always good to go in the ground and see villa fans there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 06, 2013, 12:17:17 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:59:36 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:40:52 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 05, 2013, 11:04:26 PM

Quote from: Louzie0 on July 05, 2013, 11:00:32 PM

I sang with a band in the Luton area in the mid - late 70's and it was great. I'll always remember Luton.

You must have had a sheltered life lol

Back then, Luton was a cross-genre extravaganza, musically speaking. You just didn't know what would happen next.

When I first moved here, there were masses of pubs everywhere, was great atmosphere in town, how times have seemingly changed

I've visited sporadically over the last 25 years. Some high points, musically, some ...not so much.
Next visit is 23rd July though for the Villa! Are you going?

Yes, will be going. Actually moved here towards the end of 1980's and shortly afterwards their wanker of a chairman brought in no away fans, but was always good to go in the ground and see villa fans there

I will be there with an old friend, season ticket holder. Perhaps PM closer to the match! UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 06, 2013, 12:30:46 AM

That would be good, please do so

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 06, 2013, 12:55:57 AM

I dreamt of the day when Luton was discussed on h and v, simple pleasures for a simple fella!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 06, 2013, 12:58:54 AM

You could join us on the 23rd...all Luton aficionados are welcome

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 06, 2013, 01:06:43 AM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 06, 2013, 12:55:57 AM

I dreamt of the day when Luton was discussed on h and v, simple pleasures for a simple fella!

if you are simple, you will get on fine with me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2013, 05:58:25 AM

I was born in Luton in the late 1950s and lived in Arundel Road until moving to Heath & Reach just outside Leighton Buzzard in 1965. Very hazy memories of the place but the house was a three storey semi with an amazing attic conversion. I thought there was a little park near us across the main road and further down Arundel Road, a bakery which we used to pass going to junior school. I went back for the first time last September just on a whim,  the 'park' was a bowling club, and the bakery building was part of a big industrial park. One memory is crystal clear;  the people who lived next door to us had the most fuck off Vauxhall Cresta. I really enjoyed living in Heath & Reach too which is just inside Bedfordshire, so have happy memories of the county.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 06, 2013, 07:44:26 AM

I didn't realise I was part of a secret conclave of Villans who have or now live in Bedfordshire. I like it here. We live in Clifton near to Shefford which is well known for being famous for absolutely nothing, apart from the obvious proud fact that Robert Bloomfield, pastoral poet, was born here, meh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 06, 2013, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 05, 2013, 11:49:41 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 11:35:30 PM

Am I the only person on this forum who hasn't lived in Luton?

Nope. I have been to the airport to drop off my mother in law with a 1 way ticket to Slovenia though.

I don't think I have ever been to Bedfordshire.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 06, 2013, 08:06:01 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 06, 2013, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 05, 2013, 11:49:41 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 11:35:30 PM

Am I the only person on this forum who hasn't lived in Luton?

Nope. I have been to the airport to drop off my mother in law with a 1 way ticket to Slovenia though.

I don't think I have ever been to Bedfordshire.

I and my kids have been up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire thousands of times. Does that count?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2013, 09:04:15 AM

I've been to Luton airport and Luton bus station I think (Is that the place that looks like a war zone?)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2013, 09:15:11 AM

This is what happens when we do so much transfer activity so early. We're seemingly on hiatus now until we get people out the club, and get certain people signed on for longer. The transfer thread has turned into "the history of Luton" thread.

I feel I'm missing out having not been there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 09:17:31 AM

Been away from H @ V for a while, am I on the right site/thread?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2013, 09:24:33 AM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 09:17:31 AM

Been away from H @ V for a while, am I on the right site/thread?

Have you ever visited or lived in Luton?
If the answer is yes please continue.
If No your internet will shut down and your screen will go black.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 09:34:59 AM

So that I can join in on this transfer/Luton thread I think I will head down there right now on a day trip.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on July 06, 2013, 09:38:43 AM

I also live on the outskirts of Leighton Buzzard and teach just outside Luton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 06, 2013, 10:02:35 AM

A mate of mine is a Luton supporter and he's always on about how many travel away to watch them. If I lived in Luton I'd travel away as often as possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:11:49 AM

Before this thread switches back to transfers could I turn it into a hernia thread for a little while, had op last Saturday on hernia in groin  and although I am able to get up and down from bed/chair easier now my swelling and soreness is still very bad, is this normal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2013, 10:26:29 AM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:11:49 AM

Before this thread switches back to transfers could I turn it into a hernia thread for a little while, had op last Saturday on hernia in groin  and although I am able to get up and down from bed/chair easier now my swelling and soreness is still very bad, is this normal?

The season ticket weekend thread is not for you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:29:35 AM

I've never had a hernia or been to Luton. Is this normal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:35:36 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:29:35 AM

I've never had a hernia or been to Luton. Is this normal?

It kills when I laugh so cut it out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:35:36 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:29:35 AM

I've never had a hernia or been to Luton. Is this normal?

It kills when I laugh so cut it out.

My apologies. Hope you get well soon, it sounds very uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:48:53 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:35:36 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 06, 2013, 10:29:35 AM

I've never had a hernia or been to Luton. Is this normal?

It kills when I laugh so cut it out.

My apologies. Hope you get well soon, it sounds very uncomfortable.

No apology needed Clampy, you cheered me up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2013, 10:50:53 AM

Can we send Stephen Ireland on an errand to Luton and hope he gets lost there? What's the Chav ratio like in Luton? If it's full to the brim, Ireland could become akin to chav royalty by moving there. He'd be a god among goons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on July 06, 2013, 11:19:04 AM

Luton is a chav mecca...he will fit right in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on July 06, 2013, 11:38:52 AM

My sister lives in Ampthill, I've had a hernia and driven a Luton. This is the thread for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2013, 11:55:25 AM

Well you are Mr Aston Villa and now Lord Luton. Yu don't know where Shergar is, do you?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 12:08:07 PM

In a Tesco burger somewhere.?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 12:30:53 PM

Wow this has really gone off the scale !! scared to mention any transfer news. Would sound like a right miserable git  :-))

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 06, 2013, 01:20:46 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:11:49 AM

Before this thread switches back to transfers could I turn it into a hernia thread for a little while, had op last Saturday on hernia in groin  and although I am able to get up and down from bed/chair easier now my swelling and soreness is still very bad, is this normal?

I had a hernia repaired back in 1968 at the QE hospital.  Coughing, Laughing and sitting up was agony but, trying to wipe my arse was excruciating!  And I've been to Luton BTW.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 06, 2013, 01:24:04 PM

4 pages on Luton and other places, maybe I should put something in the 'Little things that make life oh so f*cking annoying' thread

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2013, 01:26:01 PM

Quote from: nigel on July 06, 2013, 01:24:04 PM

4 pages on Luton and other places, maybe I should put something in the 'Little things that make life oh so f*cking annoying' thread

get back on topic, all things Luton here

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 06, 2013, 01:27:08 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 06, 2013, 01:26:01 PM

Quote from: nigel on July 06, 2013, 01:24:04 PM

4 pages on Luton and other places, maybe I should put something in the 'Little things that make life oh so f*cking annoying' thread

get back on topic, all things Luton here

 ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 06, 2013, 01:44:11 PM

Apparently, Luton is in London. Shouldn't really be surprised as Gatwick, West Sussex is also in London.

(http://www.freedompr.com/sites/default/files/ANDERSON_EASYJET%2004.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2013, 01:51:21 PM

I've heard people in Luton are so hard even the women can kill leopards and turn them into shoes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 06, 2013, 02:02:40 PM

For the record, if anyone was ever in any doubt, we were never in for Belhanda. The player himself has told L'Equipe there were only two offers, from Kiev and Al Jazira Club. Strange as he's a good player, he could have done better. Sounds like he's a greedy one, though.

Anyway, further evidence that Villa are straight as a die on transfers under Faulkner. If the powers that be say we're not interested in someone, then we ain't interested. Makes speculating kind of pointless...

Edit: sorry for going OT by the way. Only been to Luton once, to the airport, and frankly leaving the place at 200 mph was a blessed relief.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2013, 02:11:08 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 06, 2013, 02:02:40 PM

For the record, if anyone was ever in any doubt, we were never in for Belhanda. The player himself has told L'Equipe there were only two offers, from Kiev and Al Jazira Club. Strange as he's a good player, he could have done better. Sounds like he's a greedy one, though.

Anyway, further evidence that Villa are straight as a die on transfers under Faulkner. If the powers that be say we're not interested in someone, then we ain't interested. Makes speculating kind of pointless...

Edit: sorry for going OT by the way. Only been to Luton once, to the airport, and frankly leaving the place at 200 mph was a blessed relief.

Sorry Sam, but you are a liar my friend. A bare faced, nasty, vindictive liar. How can you trust the word of a player like that. You will be believing the oracles of local journalists who have good relationships with the club about this kind of thing next. Shame on you. Shame.

And only Luton once. Further headshaking. Call yourself a fan of Nick Owen indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:23:40 PM

I cannot understand all this anti Luton rhetoric on here.
It has a chippy, an off licence, and everything you know. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 02:35:11 PM

I am a partner opening up a soft play centre (with two women) in Wednesfield-Wolverhampton. I will be limited to watching Villa games at the start of the season and would like to know from any Villa fans if there is a pub/club in the area that watch games or any general "Villa" involvement ? PS I did try to open this centre in Luton, but the computer said Noooooooooooo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:39:58 PM

It's all dogheads and carrier bags in that area i think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 02:42:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:39:58 PM

It's all dogheads and carrier bags in that area i think.

Ye think your right but I am hoping on a Saturday there might be a haven where I can escape !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:48:03 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 02:42:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:39:58 PM

It's all dogheads and carrier bags in that area i think.

Ye think your right but I am hoping on a Saturday there might be a haven where I can escape !!

Have a look on the CAMRA guide. There is bound to be a decent boozer showing footy in there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2013, 03:12:27 PM

Luton away in the cup next year, no doubt about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 06, 2013, 03:42:07 PM

I have been to Luton several times.

It's the only city in the UK where the speed cameras all face the same direction - away from the city*

*Grimsby is the same too, although you can debate whether it's a town or just a fishy smelling dump.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 06, 2013, 03:47:35 PM

Leagrave is a quiet suburb...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 06, 2013, 03:51:34 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 06, 2013, 01:44:11 PM

Apparently, Luton is in London. Shouldn't really be surprised as Gatwick, West Sussex is also in London.

(http://www.freedompr.com/sites/default/files/ANDERSON_EASYJET%2004.jpg)

Not to mention Lydd.

http://www.lydd-airport.co.uk/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on July 06, 2013, 03:54:04 PM

And London Oxford Airport:

http://www.oxfordairport.co.uk/

Let's face it... to be cool in the country, you have to have the word London in there somewhere.
Londoncentric cock monkeys.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2013, 03:59:44 PM

I'm seriously surprised so many people know this much about Luton, live there or have visited it. I cannot comprehend how it's spread over 4 pages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 06, 2013, 04:06:14 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 07:54:53 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2013, 07:48:58 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 07:41:22 AM

Perhaps they were Blackburn fans who had "taken the Holte"? I'd imagine they hate Yorkshire. And I think calling Mackems "Geordies" is acceptable, though inaccurate, as it winds them up.

I made my one up.

Typical bloody Solihull behaviour.

Of course I wasn't too embarrassed to hit anyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 04:09:55 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:48:03 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 06, 2013, 02:42:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 06, 2013, 02:39:58 PM

It's all dogheads and carrier bags in that area i think.

Ye think your right but I am hoping on a Saturday there might be a haven where I can escape !!

Have a look on the CAMRA guide. There is bound to be a decent boozer showing footy in there.

On CAMRA mentioned a pub called "Nickelodeon" in Bentley Bridge. Sounds ok for football but unlikely to have any Villa connections. Cheers anyway .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 06, 2013, 04:22:55 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2013, 03:59:44 PM

I'm seriously surprised so many people know this much about Luton, live there or have visited it. I cannot comprehend how it's spread over 4 pages.

I know and we haven't even mentioned Paul Young yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 06, 2013, 05:42:11 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 06, 2013, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 05, 2013, 11:49:41 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 05, 2013, 11:35:30 PM

Am I the only person on this forum who hasn't lived in Luton?

Nope. I have been to the airport to drop off my mother in law with a 1 way ticket to Slovenia though.

I don't think I have ever been to Bedfordshire.

You have, probably without realising. It's like that, more than any other English county. How often have you used the M1? Ever needed a burger, a pee, a latte or a cheap folding campchair then spotted services named Toddington?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 06, 2013, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 06, 2013, 03:47:35 PM

Leagrave is a quiet suburb...

Yet, with a train station on the BedPan line. I lived in nearby Sundon Park from the age of about 2 to 8.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 06, 2013, 08:45:27 PM

Quote from: My left Foot on July 06, 2013, 07:44:26 AM

I didn't realise I was part of a secret conclave of Villans who have or now live in Bedfordshire. I like it here. We live in Clifton near to Shefford which is well known for being famous for absolutely nothing, apart from the obvious proud fact that Robert Bloomfield, pastoral poet, was born here, meh.

I coached footy all around mid beds for 4 years, Clifford, shefford, sandy, Leighton buzzard, great gransden, etc. lots of good places and memories.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rotterdam on July 06, 2013, 09:01:44 PM

I played football for a team in the South Mids league and confirm Luton is a dive.
The cricket club is on the outskirts of the town and is very agreeable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2013, 09:02:22 PM

As I said earlier I have very happy memories of living just outside Leighton Buzzard in the mid sixties. Its probably set for some publicity in August to mark the 50th Anniversary of the Great Train Robbery which happened at Bridego Bridge, just a couple of miles outside the town. We used to cycle down to the Bridge as kids. Ironically, the first person I met at school in Leamington when we left  Heath & Reach now lives there. Funny old game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on July 06, 2013, 09:31:39 PM

I'm so impressed with all the Luton chat I have investigated the hire of a charrabanc to tour its finest high spots.

We can call in at Milton Keynes for cultural activities and Bicester for shopping if so desired limited seats available

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 06, 2013, 10:00:11 PM

Curtis Eugene Davies played for Luton and he played for Villa he now fins himself transfered to Hull. When he visits Luton he goes to Hull and back. Not sure which is nicer

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 06, 2013, 10:09:34 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 06, 2013, 10:11:49 AM

Before this thread switches back to transfers could I turn it into a hernia thread for a little while, had op last Saturday on hernia in groin  and although I am able to get up and down from bed/chair easier now my swelling and soreness is still very bad, is this normal?

I had one in my teens, took me about 6 weeks to get back to normal.  The swelling shouldn't last for too long though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 07, 2013, 12:19:36 AM

the last op i had took me 6 weeks to recover properly from (regain full mobility) i wouldnt worry to much just yet. just keep an eye on the couloration of the scars and surrounding area. yellowing means its healing blackening means it may be bleeding still and require looking at again

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2013, 12:22:48 AM

I often have swelling in my groin when i'm on the internet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 07, 2013, 01:36:34 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2013, 12:22:48 AM

I often have swelling in my groin when i'm on the internet.

Shame you don't live in Luton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 07, 2013, 08:19:31 AM

 but don't find my way down there to often, mainly the airport
the M1 is always jammed through Luton J 9-10, so even though it should take me 20 minutes you have to give it a hour to be safe

my Son was on Lutons books about 10 years ago, they train right next to the motorway with the egg chasers

I've even played myself on the astroturf that was there, and scored a goal in the 'famous' goals,
the ground is without doubt the worst in the league,
 and there is a Eric Mortimer lounge, which is about as big as a box bedroom and looks like it hasnt been refurbished since 1965, with pictures of Billy Bingham on the wall

I used to visit Luton far more often when it was our nearest DVLA centre, but they closed it down a while ago, which was nice

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2013, 08:33:50 AM

Does anyone know where to find the Transfer thread? I have been hunting since 6AM!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 07, 2013, 08:36:29 AM

Allow me to apologise for interrupting the flow of ailment and Bedfordshire talk - but this fresh in from the Twitter face.

It's is not an ITK - it is a lass called Shelley who writes (and writes well) for My Old Man Said.  She has tweeted on an Austrian media story that can be found here - http://www.laola1.at/de/fussball/oesterreich/tipp3-bundesliga/liga-facts/page/1146-32---.html (http://www.laola1.at/de/fussball/oesterreich/tipp3-bundesliga/liga-facts/page/1146-32---.html)

Villa are apparently interested in Senegal's SADIO MANÉ.  He plays either as a winger, second striker, or attacking midfielder.  Salzburg were runners up last year and Mane scored 16.  He is 21 - already an international - and 5ft 9' for those that like that sort of thing.

And this is his showreel - apologies for the cockney rap.

If ever a phrase could be perfectly shortened yet made more accurate then surely it is Cockney Rap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on July 07, 2013, 08:38:06 AM

usually near the A505 I find

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2013, 08:40:41 AM

He looks a good player. With him and the nailed on signing of Kiyotake we will have a formidable line up going forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 07, 2013, 08:48:16 AM

Further linkage - from the Salzburg local press - http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F2Fsearch.salzburg.com%2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fsn0626_06.07.2013_41-47700523 (http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F2Fsearch.salzburg.com%2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fsn0626_06.07.2013_41-47700523)

via Google translate - plus a bit of human tinkering

Sunday's friendly in Eugene village against Metz is happening due to the transfer of Sadio Mane a year ago by the French club to Salzburg. Yet the Senegalese soon attracts more interest from England: Premier League club Aston Villa have shown great interest in the 16-time goal scorers show season.

The views expressed in this post are not those of Paul Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2013, 08:49:31 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 07, 2013, 08:36:29 AM

Allow me to apologise for interrupting the flow of ailment and Bedfordshire talk - but this fresh in from the Twitter face.

It's is not an ITK - it is a lass called Shelley who writes (and writes well) for My Old Man Said.  She has tweeted on an Austrian media story that can be found here - http://www.laola1.at/de/fussball/oesterreich/tipp3-bundesliga/liga-facts/page/1146-32---.html (http://www.laola1.at/de/fussball/oesterreich/tipp3-bundesliga/liga-facts/page/1146-32---.html)

Villa are apparently interested in Senegal's SADIO MANÉ.  He plays either as a winger, second striker, or attacking midfielder.  Salzburg were runners up last year and Mane scored 16.  He is 21 - already an international - and 5ft 9' for those that like that sort of thing.

And this is his showreel - apologies for the cockney rap.

Any translations? Be novel to read some transfer speculation for a change. Not that I'm fed up with reading about Luton, far from it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2013, 08:58:41 AM

Looks good and, apparently, he absolutely fucking HATES Luton. Sign him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 07, 2013, 09:02:39 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 07, 2013, 08:48:16 AM

Further linkage - from the Salzburg local press - http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F2Fsearch.salzburg.com%2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fsn0626_06.07.2013_41-47700523 (http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F2Fsearch.salzburg.com%2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fsn0626_06.07.2013_41-47700523)

via Google translate - plus a bit of human tinkering

Sunday's friendly in Eugene village against Metz is happening due to the transfer of Sadio Mane a year ago by the French club to Salzburg. Yet the Senegalese, Luton Town fan, soon attracts more interest from England: Premier League club Aston Villa have shown great interest in the 16-time goal scorers show season. 

The views expressed in this post are not those of Paul Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2013, 09:32:39 AM

With those already in and further speculation ongoing how far are we from having 11 new players lining up against  Arsenal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2013, 09:34:09 AM

How many midfielders do we need? I'm still worried about defence. Some nice goals though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2013, 09:39:15 AM

I don't want anyone who hates Luton or Bedfordshire in general signing for us, so there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 07, 2013, 09:42:08 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 07, 2013, 09:39:15 AM

I don't want anyone who hates Luton or Bedfordshire in general signing for us, so there.

Didn't Benteke say that he hated Bedfordshire prior to signing?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 07, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Who is this Luton chap that everyone rates so highly ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on July 07, 2013, 09:50:12 AM

I used to be a member of the Luton Supporters Club. It was the only way to get a ticket when they had the away fans ban. You had to live in the Luton catchment area, so we registered from my Granddad's address in Milton Keynes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 07, 2013, 09:56:31 AM

Is this thread about vans ?
I like vans. ;D

https://www.google.es/search?q=luton+vans&client=firefox-a&hs=QEm&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3izZUdCbNIOU7QaJiIAg&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=681

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on July 07, 2013, 10:21:13 AM

Quote from: john e on July 07, 2013, 08:19:31 AM

but don't find my way down there to often, mainly the airport
the M1 is always jammed through Luton J 9-10, so even though it should take me 20 minutes you have to give it a hour to be safe

my Son was on Lutons books about 10 years ago, they train right next to the motorway with the egg chasers

I've even played myself on the astroturf that was there, and scored a goal in the 'famous' goals,
the ground is without doubt the worst in the league,
 and there is a Eric Mortimer lounge, which is about as big as a box bedroom and looks like it hasnt been refurbished since 1965, with pictures of Billy Bingham on the wall

I used to visit Luton far more often when it was our nearest DVLA centre, but they closed it down a while ago, which was nice

I preferred his comedy partner, Ernie Walsh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 07, 2013, 10:27:01 AM

"Paulinho broke down in tears when he signed for Spurs." According to the Sun.
Ha. Who did he think he was signing for, a big club ? Benteke has more chance of signing for Accrington Stanley than that bunch of crap. Who the fuck do they think they are.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on July 07, 2013, 10:47:42 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 07, 2013, 10:27:01 AM

"Paulinho broke down in tears when he signed for Spurs." According to the Sun.
Ha. Who did he think he was signing for, a big club ? Benteke has more chance of signing for Accrington Stanley than that bunch of crap. Who the fuck do they think they are.

I absolutely hate Spurs. Much more than any local rivals. They just think they are the Big I am. At least with Utd fans you have to give them the fact that they do actually win things, but Spurs fans are so up themselves...and with no reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on July 07, 2013, 10:51:19 AM

Yeah, but the fans sing 'When The Spurs Go Marching In' really slowly and, for ages. That must count for something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 07, 2013, 11:29:45 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 07, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Who is this Luton chap that everyone rates so highly ?

Do you mean Luton Hoo?

There is also an amusing rumble that Boro are interested in Stephen "Couldn't give a shit" Ireland, if the twat can't be bothered to play in the Prem you can't see him getting up extra early with a whoop and a holler and rushing along the sunny banks of the Tees to go training for that crock of shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2013, 11:35:33 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 07, 2013, 11:29:45 AM

Quote from: gervilla on July 07, 2013, 09:43:57 AM

Who is this Luton chap that everyone rates so highly ?

Do you mean Luton Hoo?

There is also an amusing rumble that Boro are interested in Stephen "Couldn't give a shit" Ireland, if the twat can't be bothered to play in the Prem you can't see him getting up extra early with a whoop and a holler and rushing along the sunny banks of the Tees to go training for that crock of shit.

Ah, but he might if he played for Tony 'Total Football' Mowbary.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 07, 2013, 12:59:40 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 07, 2013, 09:42:08 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 07, 2013, 09:39:15 AM

I don't want anyone who hates Luton or Bedfordshire in general signing for us, so there.

Didn't Benteke say that he hated Bedfordshire prior to signing?

Mentioned moules-frites will always be a superior meal to a 'Bedfordshire Clanger', and he can't stand straw hats.

(Do not google Bedfordshire Clanger)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 07, 2013, 01:10:14 PM

Seems hull have decided to spend their cash on Charlie Austin - another potential buyers for bent to cross off the list.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2013, 01:12:14 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 06, 2013, 03:54:04 PM

Let's face it... to be cool in the country, you have to have the word London in there somewhere.
Londoncentric cock monkeys.

"Little London" is in the Forest of Dean (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Cannabis-Little-London-police-raid/story-16623859-detail/story.html#axzz2YMRhe0Qy)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 07, 2013, 01:40:55 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 07, 2013, 01:12:14 PM

Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on July 06, 2013, 03:54:04 PM

Let's face it... to be cool in the country, you have to have the word London in there somewhere.
Londoncentric cock monkeys.

"Little London" is in the Forest of Dean (http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Cannabis-Little-London-police-raid/story-16623859-detail/story.html#axzz2YMRhe0Qy)

Seems the Forest of Dean is a good place for a bit of horticulture!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 07, 2013, 02:06:28 PM

Aren't the players off to Germany today? Will be interesting to see who stays behind if so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 07, 2013, 02:45:23 PM

I hope they are flying from Luton

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 03:40:17 PM

I would have thought Irelands weekly wage would equal that of the rest of the squad, hope we dont end up paying most of his wages. The crap about Benteke and Spuds is just that. Nice to know there are a few other villa fans in the area :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 07, 2013, 04:28:01 PM

If Murray sees this out, all I need is an FA Cup win for Aston Villa & I can retire from worrying about sport's missing trophies of my lifetime.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 07, 2013, 07:54:40 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 07, 2013, 04:28:01 PM

If Murray sees this out, all I need is an FA Cup win for Aston Villa & I can retire from worrying about sport's missing trophies of my lifetime.

Quids in pal. Enjoy your retirement.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 07:56:15 PM

Only major trophy I have not seen Villa win is the FA Cup and would be great to see

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 07, 2013, 10:30:51 PM

Take it with a pinch of salt, lads but this kid got his picture taken with Benteke at the training ground yesterday on his first day back and then tweeted it with the following words:

 We asked Benteke:
 "Will you be here next season Christian"
 He replied with: "yes I will"


Could not get the pic to copy, But it is clear as a bell Benteke .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 07, 2013, 11:28:40 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 07:56:15 PM

Only major trophy I have not seen Villa win is the FA Cup and would be great to see

You and everybody else aged under 60.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 07, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 07, 2013, 11:28:40 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 07:56:15 PM

Only major trophy I have not seen Villa win is the FA Cup and would be great to see

You and everybody else aged under 60.

I'm under 60 and there's only one major trophy that I've seen us win.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 07, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 07, 2013, 11:28:40 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 07, 2013, 07:56:15 PM

Only major trophy I have not seen Villa win is the FA Cup and would be great to see

You and everybody else aged under 60.

I'm under 60 and there's only one major trophy that I've seen us win.

I am under 60 as well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 07, 2013, 11:58:32 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 07, 2013, 10:30:51 PM

Take it with a pinch of salt, lads but this kid got his picture taken with Benteke at the training ground yesterday on his first day back and then tweeted it with the following words:

 We asked Benteke:
 "Will you be here next season Christian"
 He replied with: "yes I will"


Could not get the pic to copy, But it is clear as a bell Benteke .......

That is the type of Tweet i could get used to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 08, 2013, 12:13:22 AM

Aston Villa FC (Irish Supporters Club)

about an hour ago.
Take it with a pinch of salt, lads but this kid got his picture taken with Benteke at the training ground yesterday on his first day back and then tweeted it with the following words:

 We asked Benteke:
 "Will you be here next season Christian"
 He replied with: "yes I will"

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/bentz_zpsbd656f28.jpg)


Edited by PWS to tidy it up and add the picture.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 12:16:54 AM

How much bloody space do you want Walters ? ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 12:36:33 AM

Why post a thread from elsewhere that doesn't come close to the wit and wonder on here?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 12:37:28 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

Well then, put your money where your mouth is...whose season would you have taken, ours or Wigan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:38:55 AM

How can I put my money where my mouth is when I said I wonder what i'd do in that situation?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 12:51:31 AM

Another late night HnV love in argument ?
I really rate Stephen Ireland by the way. Can i join in ? :o

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 08, 2013, 12:58:58 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 12:16:54 AM

How much bloody space do you want Walters ? ;D

Ye that was a bit spacy !! I could not get the link right which contains a photo of Benteke driving out of Bodymoor training ground with a man in the back who I am not sure who he is .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 08, 2013, 01:06:48 AM

Don't know if your joking but it was Sylla

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 01:08:14 AM

Tidied it up and added the picture for you WW.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 01:45:03 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 08, 2013, 12:58:58 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 12:16:54 AM

How much bloody space do you want Walters ? ;D

Ye that was a bit spacy !! I could not get the link right which contains a photo of Benteke driving out of Bodymoor training ground with a man in the back who I am not sure who he is .......

Belhanda ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 07:40:11 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

I'd take the fa cup - waited so long to get it that it would just be an incredible day to win it and villa if relegated would soon get back up - from a personal view that is , obviously the club would prefer to stay up .

For me as with a lot of others the fa cup would complete the set and i really hope to see it before i die :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2013, 07:49:41 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

A no for me. I'd love to see us win the Cup but there's no guarantee we'd come straight back up if we went down.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 08, 2013, 07:59:17 AM

No way for me. Perhaps 20 years ago when the FA Cup had a proper lustre to it but it has been devalued so much now that it wouldn't be worth the many disadvantages of being relegated

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 08:27:02 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2013, 07:49:41 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

A no for me. I'd love to see us win the Cup but there's no guarantee we'd come straight back up if we went down.

I understand that clampy, for me personally seeing villa winning the fa cup is still the holy grail - it would be a day I've dreamt of for 40 years - obviously for the club being in the premiership is more important.

I am on the 1st of my 9 days off now and can dream ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2013, 08:39:29 AM

So longas money is so important in the sport staying in feeding frenzy is the be all and end all.  I wish that wasn't the case but there no chance I'd take the FA cup if it meant relegation.  There's a good chance we'd come straight back, but there's also a chance we'd end up like Forest.  On top of that, selfish as it may sound, the big advantage of the premier league is that I can watch pretty much every match on TV from here, if we went down I'd barely see a game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2013, 08:55:13 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

As much as I want to win the FA Cup, it is vital for the way we're trying to build the club that we don't get relegated. In a few years we'll win several.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2013, 09:07:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 12:37:28 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

Well then, put your money where your mouth is...whose season would you have taken, ours or Wigan?

Win they FA cup regardless of consequences!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: picicata on July 08, 2013, 09:11:54 AM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 08, 2013, 09:07:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 12:37:28 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 AM

I do often wonder what i'd do if someone offered me this at the start of a season: Win the FA Cup and get relegated. I REALLY want to see us win the FA Cup to complete the set.

Well then, put your money where your mouth is...whose season would you have taken, ours or Wigan?

Win they FA cup regardless of consequences!

So you'd be happy if you were a Portsmouth fan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 10:21:15 AM

Colin Murray, dropped by MOTD2, is leaving the BBC to replace that sexist duo on Talk Sport, after they left for Al-Jazeera.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/08/bbc-colin-murray-talksport?CMP=twt_fd

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2013, 10:37:06 AM

I would settle for a mediocre mid-season position and the FA Cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 08, 2013, 11:03:29 AM

Looks like Benteke has got a new job this season after all... Sylla's chaufeur ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 11:24:22 AM

Seems like spurs have got david villa heading to the lane so benteke may not be a target -

Gareth Bale returns to Tottenham for pre-season training today (Monday) - and David Villa could follow as early as this week.

The Barcelona striker has reached an agreement in principle with Spurs and it is now down to the two clubs to agree a fee.

Tottenham’s offer to Barca, however, has not yet met the £8.6million asking price that the Spanish champions are demanding.

Spurs chairman Daniel Levy believes he can drive the price down as Barca want to get Villa off the wage bill now that he has been deemed surplus to requirements.

Barca do not want to find themselves committed to paying Villa’s wages next season, around £110,000-a-week, when he would simply allowed to leave on a free when his contract expires next May.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on July 08, 2013, 11:26:57 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 10:21:15 AM

Colin Murray, dropped by MOTD2, is leaving the BBC to replace that sexist duo on Talk Sport, after they left for Al-Jazeera.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/08/bbc-colin-murray-talksport?CMP=twt_fd

Pity MOTD don't also drop Lineker, Lawrenson, Hansen and Shearer. Cosy club for the old boys who offer nothing except slurry 'pass & move' analysis and awful jokes. Programme needs freshening up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 11:47:56 AM

Quote from: CJ on July 08, 2013, 11:26:57 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 10:21:15 AM

Colin Murray, dropped by MOTD2, is leaving the BBC to replace that sexist duo on Talk Sport, after they left for Al-Jazeera.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/08/bbc-colin-murray-talksport?CMP=twt_fd

Pity MOTD don't also drop Lineker, Lawrenson, Hansen and Shearer. Cosy club for the old boys who offer nothing except slurry 'pass & move' analysis and awful jokes. Programme needs freshening up

Absolutely agree.

The BBC's football coverage is absolutely stale from top to bottom these days. ITV were miles better than them at the last European Championships.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 08, 2013, 11:58:40 AM

Hansen is leaving the beeb after the world cup apparently.  Hopefully Lawro will follow.

I think Shearer was a lot better this season, he actually tried to do some analysis last season instead of stating the obvious/describing what we can see on screen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 12:02:13 PM

The worst one of all for me is lee Dixon , cant stand him , roy Keane adds a bit of spark , Adrian chiles is poor in the extreme - anyone watching him ever noticed the number of times he says er or erm , shocking!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on July 08, 2013, 12:02:31 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 08, 2013, 11:26:57 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 10:21:15 AM

Colin Murray, dropped by MOTD2, is leaving the BBC to replace that sexist duo on Talk Sport, after they left for Al-Jazeera.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/08/bbc-colin-murray-talksport?CMP=twt_fd

Pity MOTD don't also drop Lineker, Lawrenson, Hansen and Shearer. Cosy club for the old boys who offer nothing except slurry 'pass & move' analysis and awful jokes. Programme needs freshening up

this is hansen's last season apparently, he'll be off after the world cup coverage. hopefully the others follow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2013, 12:09:59 PM

Hansen and Dixon are the only ones I don't mind. Shearer's dull and Lawro is awful.

Whoever's on, I just hope the BBC make them do their homework on all the clubs, rather than trot out cliches they've read in that day's tabloids.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 12:12:26 PM

Dixon is pretty decent as an analyst, but he went to ITV last year.

The worst by miles is Lawrenson. He just doesn't do anything that could be called analysis, offers no real insight, and when he does say something, does so with a laconic, half asleep, can barely be arsed air of 'I'm a national institution'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 08, 2013, 12:13:29 PM

Match of the day is just shit anyway. It used to be compulsive viewing, now it is a joke of a program.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 12:14:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 12:12:26 PM

Dixon is pretty decent as an analyst, but he went to ITV last year.

I find him dull personally , the itv panel i think Keane stands out as the best but i think martin o Neill would be very suited  in the role - i enjoyed seeing him during the world cups .

The trick with motd danny boy is to skip the analysis and just watch the action and interviews.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 08, 2013, 12:15:59 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2013, 12:09:59 PM

Hansen and Dixon are the only ones I don't mind. Shearer's dull and Lawro is awful.

Whoever's on, I just hope the BBC make them do their homework on all the clubs, rather than trot out cliches they've read in that day's tabloids.

Hansen can be lazy because the others are terrible. Lawrenson is also especially lazy. Cliched rubbish. Just utter dirge. Shearer did improve last season but he was so so bad it was unbelieveable.
I get a horrible feeling Owen (Shearer light) will be lined up as Hansen's successor.

ITV's coverage was better last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on July 08, 2013, 12:40:58 PM

Glad to hear it's Hansen's last stint on MOTD but a bit surprised as he was reportedly on £40k per appearance! Would love to see Lawrenson off too - he was nothing short of embarrassing in the Confederations Cup games this summer. I personally liked Dixon as a pundit and think he, along with Keane and Southgate, offer far more in terms of analysis than Beeb do any day of the week. Be interesting to see who MOTD pick to replace Hansen - probably someone dull like Owen or controversial like Savage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 08, 2013, 12:59:28 PM

Owen is working for BT. Sadly not in their call centre.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

The extra money had mostly put me off getting it, but the presence of McManaman has finished it off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 01:01:56 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 08, 2013, 12:59:28 PM

Owen is working for BT. Sadly not in their call centre.

Glad i haven't got bt in that case - boring little oink.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 08, 2013, 01:07:00 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 01:08:14 AM

Tidied it up and added the picture for you WW.

Cheers PWS .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 08, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

I have to say, with Humphreys, McManaman and Lovejoy involved too in some capacity, I'm not overly optimistic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 01:23:17 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 08, 2013, 01:19:39 PM

I have to say, with Humphreys, McManaman and Lovejoy involved too in some capacity, I'm not overly optimistic.

All they need now is mrs slocombes pussy and miss Brahms.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 08, 2013, 01:24:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 12:12:26 PM

The worst by miles is Lawrenson. He just doesn't do anything that could be called analysis, offers no real insight, and when he does say something, does so with a laconic, half asleep, can barely be arsed air of 'I'm a national institution'.

Lawrenson outdid himself during the Confederations Cup coverage. Watching Brazil v Italy, he was asked by the commentator: 'How far has David Luiz got to go in terms of becoming a top-class central defender?' or words to that effect.

'Loads,' said Lawro. And that was it.

Superb analysis of Luiz's strengths and weaknesses there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 08, 2013, 01:26:47 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

The extra money had mostly put me off getting it, but the presence of McManaman has finished it off.

The same two have been doing ESPN in America.Ian Darke should stick to boxing as for McManaman he is worse than dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 08, 2013, 01:33:08 PM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 08, 2013, 12:02:31 PM

Quote from: CJ on July 08, 2013, 11:26:57 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 10:21:15 AM

Colin Murray, dropped by MOTD2, is leaving the BBC to replace that sexist duo on Talk Sport, after they left for Al-Jazeera.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/08/bbc-colin-murray-talksport?CMP=twt_fd

Pity MOTD don't also drop Lineker, Lawrenson, Hansen and Shearer. Cosy club for the old boys who offer nothing except slurry 'pass & move' analysis and awful jokes. Programme needs freshening up

this is hansen's last season apparently, he'll be off after the world cup coverage. hopefully the others follow.

He's going to be advertising mascara..or so I heard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 02:33:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2013, 12:38:55 AM

How can I put my money where my mouth is when I said I wonder what i'd do in that situation?

Fair cop, wrong expression. Come down off the fence, I should have said. I see you still may be suffering from splinters.

For the record up to perhaps the last decade or so I would have chosen the FA Cup but all the palaver to denigrate it since then - United dropping out to go to the World Club, teams fighting relegation generally not bothered with it, the final played before the league season finishes and the general be all and end all money mentality of the Premier League has hit the poor old cup for six.
I'd take 17th and winning the FA Cup over finishing 5th and not but unfortunately relegation is too big a risk these days to plump for a cup win over it. An almighty sheen was taken off Wigan's great win just 3 days later when they lost at Arsenal. That must have been some kick in the stones.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 08, 2013, 03:06:25 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 08, 2013, 01:24:07 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 12:12:26 PM

The worst by miles is Lawrenson. He just doesn't do anything that could be called analysis, offers no real insight, and when he does say something, does so with a laconic, half asleep, can barely be arsed air of 'I'm a national institution'.

Lawrenson outdid himself during the Confederations Cup coverage. Watching Brazil v Italy, he was asked by the commentator: 'How far has David Luiz got to go in terms of becoming a top-class central defender?' or words to that effect.

'Loads,' said Lawro. And that was it.

Superb analysis of Luiz's strengths and weaknesses there.

Did he pronounce it as "LERRRRDS"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 03:17:33 PM

I don't mind Hansen , lawrenson is abysmal .
I do like the sky set up with the likes of Wilkins and hoddle but dread the arrival of squeaky voiced carragher next month.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 08, 2013, 03:29:34 PM

Quote from: BenEeles on July 02, 2013, 12:28:15 AM

We've been linked with a move for Litek Lovech midfielder Georgi Milanov by some sort of foreign press.

I don't know if this has been mentioned previously, but Milanov has now signed (http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1969251.html) for CSKA Moscow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 08, 2013, 03:38:00 PM

Carragherand Sarah Millican both have voices that hurt my ears.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 08, 2013, 03:43:40 PM

Got to be honest, I really enjoy listening to Stan Collymore , he at least does his research on the teams he's watching and chips in with some constructive criticism.
Erm ........ Any transfer rumours?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2013, 03:48:00 PM

Don Goodman's a good one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 03:49:32 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2013, 03:48:00 PM

Don Goodman's a good one.

Agreed he is  a good man is don :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 08, 2013, 03:57:01 PM

Stewart Robson talks a lot of sense as well, unlike the tubes on the beeb,he's not afraid of having a go at people working in the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 08, 2013, 03:49:32 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 08, 2013, 03:48:00 PM

Don Goodman's a good one.

Agreed he is  a good man is don :)

Kinky afro.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on July 08, 2013, 04:11:29 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

I've heard they're trying to get georgie Thompson as the co-host

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 04:19:49 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on July 08, 2013, 04:11:29 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

I've heard they're trying to get georgie Thompson as the co-host

God, I absolutely can not stand that woman with her irritating fucking sandpapered vocal chords sound and three inch thick layer of make up.

She really is horrible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:20:02 PM

Reports earlier today suggested david villa was heading to spurs so not sure how true this is -

@indykaila: Breaking news: Athletico Madrid has signed David Villa from Barcelona.

@GetFootballNews: Confirmed by Barcelona via their official site. Bad news for both Tottenham and Arsenal who were interested in him.

No surprise that the gutter press will now once again say spurs are looking at benteke .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 04:24:49 PM

@indykaila bang on the money there, reporting the David Villa move only seconds after Barcelona confirmed it to journalists, and on their OS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: midnite on July 08, 2013, 04:31:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 04:19:49 PM

Quote from: Lambonite on July 08, 2013, 04:11:29 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 12:58:32 PM

It will be interesting to see how BT Sport present football. Jake Humphrey in the studio and Ian Darke on the mike. Steve McManaman among the pundits.

I've heard they're trying to get georgie Thompson as the co-host

God, I absolutely can not stand that woman with her irritating fucking sandpapered vocal chords sound and three inch thick layer of make up.

She really is horrible.

Apparently she is looking for something new after being disillusioned with the F1 gig. She was hoping for more air time, not stuck to the Skypad in a studio. BT sport was trying to get her to co host with jake Humphrey

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 04:31:15 PM

BBC should get the best Sky female sport presenter and make her the Queen of MOTD replacing Gary Lineker, Get in Stan Collymore, Shaun Teale (Should be interesting), Dion Dublin and Robbie Savage and Olof Mellberg

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 04:31:15 PM

BBC should get the best Sky female sport presenter and make her the Queen of MOTD replacing Gary Lineker, Get in Stan Collymore, Shaun Teale (Should be interesting), Dion Dublin and Robbie Savage and Olof Mellberg

Would you have her wear a bikini as well Michael to jazz it up a bit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

Who is Michael?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

Who is Michael?

Salsa to you, mr green.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 04:47:51 PM

"Jake Humphrey will be the anchor of BT Sport’s 38 exclusively live Barclays Premier League football matches.

England and Manchester United superstar Rio Ferdinand will also play a big part in BT Sport’s football coverage. Ferdinand joins the BT Sport team as an interviewer, programme-maker and football expert.

BT Sport will also have a team of football experts offering opinion and analysis as part of its coverage. Double Champions League winners Owen Hargreaves and Steve McManaman will be joined by former England No1 goalkeeper David James MBE, all qualified to give the best insight to BT Sport viewers.

Joining BT Sport as football commentators will be Ian Darke and Darren Fletcher.

Joining them will be former Liverpool and England legend Michael Owen who will retire after the 2012-2013 season and will take up the key role of co-commentator.

In addition, Premier League referee Mark Halsey joins BT Sport in August in a brand new role in the commentary team working across the channels’ football coverage. Halsey has refereed in the Premier League since 1999, officiating over some of the biggest games.

Established ESPN broadcaster Ray Stubbs will also join as chief football reporter, bringing a wealth of experience, having reported on a variety of major sporting events over the years."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 08, 2013, 05:02:03 PM

I thought Jay Cum-Free was a fetish porn star.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 08, 2013, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

Who is Michael?

Salsa to you, mr green.

So let me get this straight.  A chap called Michael Salsa is going to wear a bikini whilst presenting MOTD with Dion Dublin?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 08, 2013, 05:17:58 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 08, 2013, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

Who is Michael?

Salsa to you, mr green.

So let me get this straight.  A chap called Michael Salsa is going to wear a bikini whilst presenting MOTD with Dion Dublin?

That sounds like something Jim would paint.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 05:20:07 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on July 08, 2013, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 08, 2013, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 04:39:24 PM

Who is Michael?

Salsa to you, mr green.

So let me get this straight.  A chap called Michael Salsa is going to wear a bikini whilst presenting MOTD with Dion Dublin?

A green bikini and he will salsa with dion during the analysis, while  Shaun teale throws haggis at Robbie savage .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM

Michael has the best combination of username and location on H&V so a bitta respect, please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2013, 07:42:23 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 04:47:51 PM

"Jake Humphrey will be the anchor of BT Sport’s 38 exclusively live Barclays Premier League football matches.

England and Manchester United superstar Rio Ferdinand will also play a big part in BT Sport’s football coverage. Ferdinand joins the BT Sport team as an interviewer, programme-maker and football expert.

BT Sport will also have a team of football experts offering opinion and analysis as part of its coverage. Double Champions League winners Owen Hargreaves and Steve McManaman will be joined by former England No1 goalkeeper David James MBE, all qualified to give the best insight to BT Sport viewers.

Joining BT Sport as football commentators will be Ian Darke and Darren Fletcher.

Joining them will be former Liverpool and England legend Michael Owen who will retire after the 2012-2013 season and will take up the key role of co-commentator.

In addition, Premier League referee Mark Halsey joins BT Sport in August in a brand new role in the commentary team working across the channels’ football coverage. Halsey has refereed in the Premier League since 1999, officiating over some of the biggest games.

Established ESPN broadcaster Ray Stubbs will also join as chief football reporter, bringing a wealth of experience, having reported on a variety of major sporting events over the years."

Genuinely can't see it matching Sky's coverage to be honest but it will definitely be interesting to see what they try and do

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: devilla on July 08, 2013, 07:47:53 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2013, 07:42:23 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 04:47:51 PM

"Jake Humphrey will be the anchor of BT Sport’s 38 exclusively live Barclays Premier League football matches.

England and Manchester United superstar Rio Ferdinand will also play a big part in BT Sport’s football coverage. Ferdinand joins the BT Sport team as an interviewer, programme-maker and football expert.

BT Sport will also have a team of football experts offering opinion and analysis as part of its coverage. Double Champions League winners Owen Hargreaves and Steve McManaman will be joined by former England No1 goalkeeper David James MBE, all qualified to give the best insight to BT Sport viewers.

Joining BT Sport as football commentators will be Ian Darke and Darren Fletcher.

Joining them will be former Liverpool and England legend Michael Owen who will retire after the 2012-2013 season and will take up the key role of co-commentator.

In addition, Premier League referee Mark Halsey joins BT Sport in August in a brand new role in the commentary team working across the channels’ football coverage. Halsey has refereed in the Premier League since 1999, officiating over some of the biggest games.

Established ESPN broadcaster Ray Stubbs will also join as chief football reporter, bringing a wealth of experience, having reported on a variety of major sporting events over the years."

Genuinely can't see it matching Sky's coverage to be honest but it will definitely be interesting to see what they try and do

Sounds like a dream team. Not. Right, I now hate BT as well as Sky.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 08:09:34 PM

I think Dion Dublin, Olof Mellberg, and Shaun Teale will have fun arguing with Robbie Savage and make it more interesting viewing. It got to be better than Hansen and Lawerence and Lineker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2013, 08:50:15 PM

Quote from: devilla on July 08, 2013, 07:47:53 PM

Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 08, 2013, 07:42:23 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 08, 2013, 04:47:51 PM

"Jake Humphrey will be the anchor of BT Sport’s 38 exclusively live Barclays Premier League football matches.

England and Manchester United superstar Rio Ferdinand will also play a big part in BT Sport’s football coverage. Ferdinand joins the BT Sport team as an interviewer, programme-maker and football expert.

BT Sport will also have a team of football experts offering opinion and analysis as part of its coverage. Double Champions League winners Owen Hargreaves and Steve McManaman will be joined by former England No1 goalkeeper David James MBE, all qualified to give the best insight to BT Sport viewers.

Joining BT Sport as football commentators will be Ian Darke and Darren Fletcher.

Joining them will be former Liverpool and England legend Michael Owen who will retire after the 2012-2013 season and will take up the key role of co-commentator.

In addition, Premier League referee Mark Halsey joins BT Sport in August in a brand new role in the commentary team working across the channels’ football coverage. Halsey has refereed in the Premier League since 1999, officiating over some of the biggest games.

Established ESPN broadcaster Ray Stubbs will also join as chief football reporter, bringing a wealth of experience, having reported on a variety of major sporting events over the years."

Genuinely can't see it matching Sky's coverage to be honest but it will definitely be interesting to see what they try and do

Sounds like a dream team. Not. Right, I now hate BT as well as Sky.

I've probably drank too much of the Sky coolade given that I work for them but I genuinely think their football coverage is very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 09:02:25 PM

Kaka is out of favour with Real Madrid. Is he worth getting for 12 months loan so he will be able to perform and try to seal a place in Brazil team for their world cup in Brazil.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/08/en/football/real_madrid/1373266010.html

Just an idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 08, 2013, 09:07:30 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 09:02:25 PM

Kaka is out of favour with Real Madrid. Is he worth getting for 12 months loan so he will be able to perform and try to seal a place in Brazil team for their world cup in Brazil.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/08/en/football/real_madrid/1373266010.html

Just an idea.

joke threads in of topic mate

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 08, 2013, 09:13:18 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 09:02:25 PM

Kaka is out of favour with Real Madrid. Is he worth getting for 12 months loan so he will be able to perform and try to seal a place in Brazil team for their world cup in Brazil.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/08/en/football/real_madrid/1373266010.html

Just an idea.

Goodness gracious me Michael, Michael Michael please do not take the Michael- there is not a chance in hell of kaka coming here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 10:02:21 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM

Michael has the best combination of username and location on H&V so a bitta respect, please.

My favourite username on here is Randy Gurner.

It just makes me laugh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 10:03:36 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 08, 2013, 09:13:18 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 08, 2013, 09:02:25 PM

Kaka is out of favour with Real Madrid. Is he worth getting for 12 months loan so he will be able to perform and try to seal a place in Brazil team for their world cup in Brazil.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/08/en/football/real_madrid/1373266010.html

Just an idea.

Goodness gracious me Michael, Michael Michael please do not take the Michael- there is not a chance in hell of kaka coming here.

Eastie, that thing you did with some posters where you seem to be going out of your way to use their real name, there are more than a few people who find it a bit creepy.

Can you please refrain from doing it?

Sometimes people opt to not use their real name as their username for a reason, can you please bear that in mind?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 08, 2013, 10:09:27 PM

Yeah. Paulie Walnuts is probably the only person to use his own name. And Randy Gurner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 10:15:20 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 08, 2013, 10:09:27 PM

Yeah. Paulie Walnuts is probably the only person to use his own name. And Randy Gurner.

And me. I'm completely orange and ever so curious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 08, 2013, 10:16:59 PM

I'm an alias.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2013, 10:17:58 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 08, 2013, 10:02:21 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 08, 2013, 06:59:37 PM

Michael has the best combination of username and location on H&V so a bitta respect, please.

My favourite username on here is Randy Gurner.

It just makes me laugh.

I used to like Paranoid Ormondroyd. That was quite clever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 08, 2013, 10:18:47 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 08, 2013, 10:16:59 PM

I'm an alias.

Real name Julie is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 08, 2013, 10:24:31 PM

I am the real Sandman. I'm currently posting this from someone's bedroom in Berlin. Just sent them a dream where they are in Luton with a cold-suffering Christian Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:24:49 PM

I have no problem with people using my real name. It's nowhere near as creepy as that bloke on Twitter who messages me every time he masturbates

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 08, 2013, 10:26:03 PM

That was our little secret!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 10:26:14 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:24:49 PM

I have no problem with people using my real name. It's nowhere near as creepy as that bloke on Twitter who messages me every time he masturbates

Before or after he's done?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:29:43 PM

During, I think. Everything makes him horny. Hot weather, cold weather, the tennis, weetabix, watching telly. If we could harness his wrist action we wouldn't new onshore wind farms

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 10:31:36 PM

And what's his alias? The Happy Chimp?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 08, 2013, 10:38:24 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:24:49 PM

I have no problem with people using my real name. It's nowhere near as creepy as that bloke on Twitter who messages me every time he masturbates

Probably that Jay Comefree fella from BT Sport. Tell him to come elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ChrissyPrice on July 08, 2013, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:24:49 PM

I have no problem with people using my real name. It's nowhere near as creepy as that bloke on Twitter who messages me every time he masturbates

The perils of celebrity

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:42:09 PM

No, he just supports the Villa. I'd better not give his name, he probably posts on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on July 08, 2013, 10:55:52 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 08, 2013, 10:24:49 PM

I have no problem with people using my real name. It's nowhere near as creepy as that bloke on Twitter who messages me every time he masturbates

I just want you to know I'm thinking of you :'(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:00:54 PM

Benteke asks for a transfer and refuses to travel to Germany  Bastard  Let him rot in the reserves fir three yewrs the ungrateful twat

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 08, 2013, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 10:31:36 PM

And what's his alias? The Happy Chimp?

eastie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 11:08:56 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 08, 2013, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 08, 2013, 10:31:36 PM

And what's his alias? The Happy Chimp?

eastie.

One of those obscure Beatles album tracks: 'Eastie the Happy Chimp'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 08, 2013, 11:27:55 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:00:54 PM

Benteke asks for a transfer and refuses to travel to Germany  Bastard  Let him rot in the reserves fir three yewrs the ungrateful twat

According to whom?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:28:28 PM

Club have confirmed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:33:10 PM

Friends were saying "you will do eell to hold on to him " and I said no problem   why woukd he want to leave  give us obe mire season and go after the world cup . Gutted

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2013, 11:39:40 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:33:10 PM

Friends were saying "you will do eell to hold on to him " and I said no problem   why woukd he want to leave  give us obe mire season and go after the world cup . Gutted

You said what?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 08, 2013, 11:49:32 PM

Ah fucksticks. I was happy playing World of Tanks and only now catching up.
I just feel sorry the kids who worship the duplicitous c***.

I'm not going to pretend I'm glad to see him go because he's ace.
However, I have lost pretty much all my faith in footballers now. They're not all weasels. Players like Guzan and Weimann are worthy but, still. Nothing suprises you in this game any more.

Might be fun watching Lambert spend the money ( and hes not leaving for anything less that three shitloads of cash).
The back of next seasons programmes might look like the diplomatic list on a UN meeting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:52:42 PM

I thought he would stay till after the world cup 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 09, 2013, 12:01:05 AM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 08, 2013, 11:52:42 PM

I thought he would stay till after the world cup 

He's probably not even bothered about the World Cup.  It's all about the Champions' League, daddio.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2013, 12:02:29 AM

Very disappointing but predictable.

Weimann will be like Shearer in his prime next year - so fuck the big oaf.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 09, 2013, 12:03:33 AM

He's not gone yet.

And if he does go.

Lambert can find three or four more with the money.

Still hurts tho.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 09, 2013, 12:05:01 AM

Mimimum £30m and he can go

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:06:13 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 08, 2013, 11:49:32 PM

Ah fucksticks. I was happy playing World of Tanks and only now catching up.
I just feel sorry the kids who worship the duplicitous c***.

I'm not going to pretend I'm glad to see him go because he's ace.
However, I have lost pretty much all my faith in footballers now. They're not all weasels. Players like Guzan and Weimann are worthy but, still. Nothing suprises you in this game any more.

Might be fun watching Lambert spend the money ( and hes not leaving for anything less that three shitloads of cash).
The back of next seasons programmes might look like the diplomatic list on a UN meeting.

My 5 year old wanted his name on his shirt. It is a bit crap for kids to have to learn footballers shit on clubs and fans regularly if another club fancies them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:26:57 AM

I think Lamberts already spent the cash. Suspect this was always on the cards hence the early spending.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 09, 2013, 12:28:12 AM

Nah. He would have had money anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2013, 12:30:25 AM

Quote from: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:26:57 AM

I think Lamberts already spent the cash. Suspect this was always on the cards hence the early spending.

No chance, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 09, 2013, 12:33:44 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2013, 12:30:25 AM

Quote from: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:26:57 AM

I think Lamberts already spent the cash. Suspect this was always on the cards hence the early spending.

No chance, in my opinion.

Utter bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:44:31 AM

Signing a 6ft 5 centre forward in June sounds a bit of a back up plan to me. But hey, if you think it's 'utter bollocks' and PL didn't have an inkling of his eventuality, then I'm pleased for you. Don't doubt we will spend some more, but does anyone seriously think we will bet net spenders by the end of the summer? Not blaming anyone, just the reality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 09, 2013, 12:46:23 AM

Quote from: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:44:31 AM

Signing a 6ft 5 centre forward in June sounds a bit of a back up plan to me. But hey, if you think it's 'utter bollocks' and PL didn't have an inkling of his eventuality, then I'm pleased for you. Don't doubt we will spend some more, but does anyone seriously think we will bet net spenders by the end of the summer? Not blaming anyone, just the reality.

What I thought was bollocks was the thought Lambert's already spent his cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 09, 2013, 12:48:36 AM

Quote from: Ross on July 09, 2013, 12:44:31 AM

Signing a 6ft 5 centre forward in June sounds a bit of a back up plan to me. But hey, if you think it's 'utter bollocks' and PL didn't have an inkling of his eventuality, then I'm pleased for you. Don't doubt we will spend some more, but does anyone seriously think we will bet net spenders by the end of the summer? Not blaming anyone, just the reality.

Its easy to say that when you know we going to trouser 30million.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 09, 2013, 12:51:48 AM

Helenius isn't a targetman like Benteke, despite his height.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2013, 04:02:37 AM

its a bitch being a fan. You either have somebody like Benteke who does well and buggers off or somebody like Ireland who is crap you can't get rid of.
Both want to make you rip your hair out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2013, 06:27:13 AM

Can we not discuss Benteke on this thread? I've come here to get away from him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:04:04 AM

@FootieWriter: #NUFC potential deal is Darren Bent. Fee £3 mil + add ons to play alongside Cisse. 2 yr deal. Initial meetings, no official bid YET. #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2013, 07:08:52 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:04:04 AM

@FootieWriter: #NUFC potential deal is Darren Bent. Fee £3 mil + add ons to play alongside Cisse. 2 yr deal. Initial meetings, no official bid YET. #AVFC

£5m at least? Surely we wouldn't let him go for £3m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:11:58 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2013, 07:08:52 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:04:04 AM

@FootieWriter: #NUFC potential deal is Darren Bent. Fee £3 mil + add ons to play alongside Cisse. 2 yr deal. Initial meetings, no official bid YET. #AVFC

£5m at least? Surely we wouldn't let him go for £3m

Indeed .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 07:18:20 AM

the world has gone mad. Bent is ten times the player Holt is and Wigan have paid more for a player that's three years older . We can't let the guy go for small change.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:32:43 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 07:18:20 AM

the world has gone mad. Bent is ten times the player Holt is and Wigan have paid more for a player that's three years older . We can't let the guy go for small change.

I thought holt went for £2m?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 07:40:59 AM

did he? if so apologies I thought I'd read 4m, but to be honest, it does not really affect the argument that much. I know who I'd rather have, even if Bent has become something of a relic tactically, he is never worth a paltry 3m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:47:34 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 07:40:59 AM

did he? if so apologies I thought I'd read 4m, but to be honest, it does not really affect the argument that much. I know who I'd rather have, even if Bent has become something of a relic tactically, he is never worth a paltry 3m.

From bbc sport -


Wigan have signed striker Grant Holt from Norwich on a three-year contract for in the region of £2m.
Holt, 32, joined the Canaries from Shrewsbury in 2009 and scored eight goals in 38 appearances last season.
He becomes Owen Coyle's seventh summer signing as the new Wigan boss prepares for the Championship season.
"This is a fantastic piece of business for us at a really good price. Grant is a proven goalscorer at every level," Coyle said.
Hot streak
Holt was voted Norwich's Player of the Year in 2010, 2011 and 2012

"He will definitely bring something new to the table that we were missing in the squad."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 09, 2013, 07:48:07 AM

Come on then, lets have some speculation about a replacement!

Lukaku, Bony (hijacking Swansea deal)? Any other names?

I just can't see us getting someone of similar calibre. We need someone who can play the target man role, but we need to strengthen thoughout the side to compensate for what would be a massive loss or we risk facing another season of struggle.

I'm happy with the squad strengthening to date, but we need a higher calibre of attacking player to come in as a replacement than those we've got to date. Benteke was first choice for a very good Belgian side before we signed him. We need that sort of ilk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 09, 2013, 07:53:53 AM

Bafetimbi Gomis?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 07:55:19 AM

Probably lambert has his eyes on someone on the continent who we aren't aware of - i trust him to spend well and I really hope randy gives him all the money to spend as 3 or 4 quality signings could improve us in the same way as big ron used the David platt cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on July 09, 2013, 07:57:41 AM

A decent striker as a replacement and maybe money for a playmaker...who knows, we could come out of this more than ok, even if it seems like a massive loss right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 09, 2013, 08:08:37 AM

If Lambert goes out and uses the Benteke money to buy another 7-10 mil striker, pays him 20k a week and he scores 20 plus goals next season. He will go on to be One of Villas all time great managers.

Knowing our luck we will end up with the modern day equivalent of Ian ormondroyd and Nigel Callaghan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 09, 2013, 08:10:32 AM

All of a sudden these 'Too much for Villa' players are gettable.

Yes, let's have a go for Bony.
Let's test Nuremberg's resolve.

Invest the money in players, a good season and Benteke will soon be forgotten

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 08:13:36 AM

Bony at £7m would have been great but the price has doubled. Finnbogason might be worth a punt at 5-6m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 09, 2013, 07:53:53 AM

Bafetimbi Gomis?

Bless you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:17:52 AM

I think Lambert might well be doing a bit of shopping whilst he is in Germany. He has plenty of contacts over there. Could unearth a gem whilst on tour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 09, 2013, 08:20:31 AM

I wouldn't want Lukaku, he said he hoped Benteke would move to a big club!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 08:20:40 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:17:52 AM

I think Lambert might well be doing a bit of shopping whilst he is in Germany. He has plenty of contacts over there. Could unearth a gem whilst on tour.

He may have plenty of contacts over there but I think he prefers glasses , doubt he will do  his shopping over in Germany , optical express do a buy a pair get a pair free offer :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2013, 08:29:23 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 09, 2013, 08:20:31 AM

I wouldn't want Lukaku, he said he hoped Benteke would move to a big club!

If we're going to refuse to sign any players who say something twattish we'll end up with a squad of about three players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:29:52 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 08:20:40 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:17:52 AM

I think Lambert might well be doing a bit of shopping whilst he is in Germany. He has plenty of contacts over there. Could unearth a gem whilst on tour.

He may have plenty of contacts over there but I think he prefers glasses , doubt he will do  his shopping over in Germany , optical express do a buy a pair get a pair free offer :)

Nice ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 08:54:38 AM

Charlie Austin had failed his medical at hull.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 08:58:05 AM

odd when you consider he's made brick shithouses and is built like one. Maybe Bruce might be in for Bent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 09, 2013, 09:21:04 AM

 Thinking Lambert might well blow a lump of this potential fee (for he who shall not be named) on Kioyate and I would be suprised if I knew the actual name of the 18 year old "Pele of Gibraltar Rock" who we will sign in what will become known as "the greatest transfer deal in sporting history".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 09:31:00 AM

We were supposedly interested in Wilfried Bony last summer before signing Benteke.  If he does go, we might go back to him as the replacement?

EDIT:  looks like he's very close to joining Swansea, so perhpas not!
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on July 09, 2013, 10:10:22 AM

Just buy Michu.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 09, 2013, 10:11:07 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 09:31:00 AM

We were supposedly interested in Wilfried Bony last summer before signing Benteke.  If he does go, we might go back to him as the replacement?

EDIT:  looks like he's very close to joining Swansea, so perhpas not!
 

We should go and make a bid now. No harm in trying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 10:11:27 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 09:31:00 AM

We were supposedly interested in Wilfried Bony last summer before signing Benteke.  If he does go, we might go back to him as the replacement?

EDIT:  looks like he's very close to joining Swansea, so perhpas not!
 

Austin deal off due to unforeseen circumstances - they said he had failed a medical but now say unforeseen circumstances - a late villa bid maybe?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 10:26:00 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

The question is do we buy now or risk losing out on players while waiting for benteke to go?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on July 09, 2013, 10:30:37 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 10:26:00 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

The question is do we buy now or risk losing out on players while waiting for benteke to go?

Do we know the timeframe the club has given for a club to come in with the cash for Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2013, 10:30:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

isn't Remy on a rape charge?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:34:28 AM

Is he?? That is out if so sorry!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:34:34 AM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 09, 2013, 10:30:56 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

isn't Remy on a rape charge?

I was going to say, I'd wait on the outcome of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

He's on some sort of charge too isn't he? Can't remember what. May have been assault.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

He's on some sort of charge too isn't he? Can't remember what. May have been assault.

Correct, cross both off, neither has the personality to fit in with what we're doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 09, 2013, 10:47:04 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:34:28 AM

Is he?? That is out if so sorry!

He was accused just after the season finished I think. I remember thinking it was hilarious that QPR would have been looking to sell him on to get some money back and then he basically makes himself untouchable!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 10:49:31 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

He's on some sort of charge too isn't he? Can't remember what. May have been assault.

Didn't he get done for assaulting some bloke who claimed to have seen him sniffing substances?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:52:08 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 10:49:31 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

He's on some sort of charge too isn't he? Can't remember what. May have been assault.

Didn't he get done for assaulting some bloke who claimed to have seen him sniffing substances?

Yeah that's the one. If we sign him, we might as well take Joey Barton off of QPR's hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2013, 10:52:32 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 10:49:31 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 10:35:45 AM

Austin is absolutely not the answer.

He's on some sort of charge too isn't he? Can't remember what. May have been assault.

Didn't he get done for assaulting some bloke who claimed to have seen him sniffing substances?

yep (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-22759753)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 10:53:54 AM

Quote from: Stu on July 09, 2013, 10:30:37 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 10:26:00 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 10:22:55 AM

Remy is worth a look in my opinion. If it is Spurs Dempsey might be involved. But there are a lot of young powerful strikers in Europe and I would bet decent money lambert has a dossier on most, and will buy one that will do well.

The question is do we buy now or risk losing out on players while waiting for benteke to go?

Do we know the timeframe the club has given for a club to come in with the cash for Benteke?

I would imagine possibly by the end of the month?
Seems clear from the statement there is a date they must have an acceptable bid by to consider selling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2013, 11:04:12 AM

If Chelsea come in for Benteke, would there be a chance of Demba Ba coming to us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:06:42 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2013, 11:04:12 AM

If Chelsea come in for Benteke, would there be a chance of Demba Ba coming to us?

Possibly , not sure i would want him to be honest, I'd rather straight cash or lukaku in part ex - ba doesn't cut the mustard for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 09, 2013, 11:07:27 AM

I would take remy from qpr adryan the brazillian 17 year old from flumenasi and and santana off dortmund as cbs replacments I think we would be well on our way with those 3 plus gary gardner back

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:09:36 AM

Just when I thought most of our transfer activity was done , the next month could be very interesting on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:13:26 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2013, 11:04:12 AM

If Chelsea come in for Benteke, would there be a chance of Demba Ba coming to us?

So we replace one mercenary for another who is on more money and worse? No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 11:14:36 AM

I think Remy is in court in September which if so, would tend to rule out a move to anywhere before January for all but the very brave

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 09, 2013, 11:14:47 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:09:36 AM

Just when I thought most of our transfer activity was done , the next month could be very interesting on here.

Its the next level of players to. I mean im happy with ouf dealings so far but now we can kick on and get a really exciting player or 2 in

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:16:45 AM

Nurnberg can expect us back with an improved bid possibly .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 09, 2013, 11:21:54 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:16:45 AM

Nurnberg can expect us back with an improved bid possibly .

with any luck yes. we do need exactly that type of player

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:29:02 AM

I can't say I'm overly excited about losing our best player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:35:04 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:29:02 AM

I can't say I'm overly excited about losing our best player.

Me neither pwa but I'm used to it - it's happened so many times down the years and I'm sure it will happen again - onwards and upwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2013, 11:36:01 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:29:02 AM

I can't say I'm overly excited about losing our best player.

Wow, has someone bid for Hutton ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 11:38:47 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:29:02 AM

I can't say I'm overly excited about losing our best player.

I don't think anyone is Paul, but we've just got to accept that's how modern football is unfortunately.  What we need to do is ensure the money we get for him is invested in strengthening the team.  It was in a different era, but that is exactly what Ron Atkinson did with the money we got for David Platt and we became a better team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 09, 2013, 11:38:51 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 11:29:02 AM

I can't say I'm overly excited about losing our best player.

im not happy but hes gone and i dont want to dwell on it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 09, 2013, 11:40:44 AM

we might go back for Vossen (?)
Wasn't he the initial target before Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:45:37 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-

@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 09, 2013, 11:52:28 AM

John Guidetti would be worth a look at Man City. Maybe we could offer Benteke to them in an attempt to get him and Milner in return.

Wishful thinking, I know, but that's all I've got today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 11:53:34 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-

@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC
[/quote]

Someone else who can predict today's headlines tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:59:33 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 11:53:34 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-

@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC

Someone else who can predict today's headlines tomorrow.
[/quote]

I noticed paulie quoted this guy yesterday - he has 68000 followers but no idea how reliable he is .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 09, 2013, 11:59:47 AM

Assuming Benteke is sold,Weimann can take his position. This will mean we will get the best out of a young player which is the way forward for us.We will need a back up striker but I'd like to see Villa then spending big on a wide player and an attacking midfielder.They usually come cheaper than strikers.And if the money's there another centre-back.If we lose some quality in our main striker,let's compensate in other areas and make sure that we are a solid young PL side with genuine competition for all positions and no weaknesses.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 09, 2013, 12:02:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:45:37 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-

@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC

I can think of several players who want out, Benteke, Bent, Hutton, Given etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

This is the inevitable sign of things to come with players at Villa, when we go down the route of trying to build a youthful team.  The players will inevitably come good, just like Benteke has, and will then get tapped up by other clubs or prostituted by their agents.  Okore will be the next one, next season.   I just hope we get something worthwhile out of this tranfer.  We also need to remember that Benteke did exactly the same thing to Genk last year! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 09, 2013, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 09, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

This is the inevitable sign of things to come with players at Villa, when we go down the route of trying to build a youthful team.  The players will inevitably come good, just like Benteke has, and will then get tapped up by other clubs or prostituted by their agents.  Okore will be the next one, next season.   I just hope we get something worthwhile out of this tranfer.  We also need to remember that Benteke did exactly the same thing to Genk last year! 

We have to learn to anticipate such events.  Dortmund and Porto (plus others) do it effectively so there's no reason was can't.
Our scouting team will certainly need to be on the ball.  So far they have been but my hunch is that they were not prepared for this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 12:31:32 PM

I actually think that Okore is probably a little more sensible and grounded than Benteke (It seems). He's already rebuffed Chelsea. I can see him staying with us 2-3 years before eventually getting his big move. Being a defender too, it makes more sense to develop here, rather than getting thrown straight into big time at a Chelsea or Utd etc. I mean Cahill would probably have floundered had he gone straight to Chelsea from us, as opposed to having four of years playing every week at Bolton and developing his game.

If Benteke picks the wrong club it could ruin his career. He's got the potential to World Class, but if he gets it wrong he could be John Carew mk2.

That said, if Lambert remains, I'd always be confident that no matter who's going out the door, someone as capable will come in. I do think Benteke is something of an anomaly because he ended up better than any of us could have hoped. To the point that he's too good for us, at this time. I felt we'd get one more year, because it would also do him good, but that now seems unlikely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Kiyotake and bony .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 09, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

I've got it on good authority that we've got a proven goalscorer up at Bodymoor today

He wont cost us a fee either. Well apatt from his wages

Get your socks on Darren

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:41:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Kiyotake and bony .

They look ideal, but I would bet neither are at Villa come August the 31st.

I think if he and Bent go, there will be 3 more forwards bought. A Benteke, a number 10 and a tricky one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 12:45:18 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 09, 2013, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 09, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

This is the inevitable sign of things to come with players at Villa, when we go down the route of trying to build a youthful team.  The players will inevitably come good, just like Benteke has, and will then get tapped up by other clubs or prostituted by their agents.  Okore will be the next one, next season.   I just hope we get something worthwhile out of this tranfer.  We also need to remember that Benteke did exactly the same thing to Genk last year! 

We have to learn to anticipate such events.  Dortmund and Porto (plus others) do it effectively so there's no reason was can't.
Our scouting team will certainly need to be on the ball.  So far they have been but my hunch is that they were not prepared for this.

If Lambert does work in this dossier method we have been talking about, then logically he'll have had a few targets in the same mold before buying Benteke.  So they can just dust them off from last summer and see what's happened to those strikers in thr last 12 months.  Not a bad starting place to work from.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 09, 2013, 12:52:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:45:37 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-




@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC

As some one who doesn't Twitter, can someone tell me who the second player who wants out is supposed to be please?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 09, 2013, 12:56:56 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 09, 2013, 12:38:11 PM

I've got it on good authority that we've got a proven goalscorer up at Bodymoor today

He wont cost us a fee either. Well apatt from his wages

Get your socks on Darren

I can see the conversation going something like this 'Darren, do you fancy coming to Germany to join the squad?'

'Oh, you want me now do you? Go fuck yourself'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 09, 2013, 12:57:14 PM

Ireland, Hutton, Bannan, Bent.... Pick one Dave that's the point, the person ia a Twunt which is why they Twatted something so patently obvious that they will look ITK!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:00:32 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 09, 2013, 12:52:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 11:45:37 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 09, 2013, 11:39:06 AM

Our best player?  westwood aint going anywhere

Hopefully not-




@indykaila: When I tweeted this (https://t.co/RwM88USKRn) yesterday, I was told two players want out & will request a transfer. #AVFC

As some one who doesn't Twitter, can someone tell me who the second player who wants out is supposed to be please?

The  twit in question hasn't tweeted that yet but reckons there is movement already regarding benteke.

@indykaila: Benteke movement already, I’m double checking the info with my #AVFC source before I share the info.

Just seen Tom ince in talks with Cardiff now , I thought he went to Swansea?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 01:03:10 PM

What movement eastie. Come on son, spill the beans. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 01:03:10 PM

What movement eastie. Come on son, spill the beans. ;)

It's believed he had  beans last night and the movement is in his bowels spilling them as a result ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 01:06:54 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 01:03:10 PM

What movement eastie. Come on son, spill the beans. ;)

It's believed he had  beans last night and the movement is in his bowels spilling them as a result ;)

Cheers mate. Is that straight from the Heinz's mouth ? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 09, 2013, 01:09:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:41:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Kiyotake and bony .

They look ideal, but I would bet neither are at Villa come August the 31st.

I think if he and Bent go, there will be 3 more forwards bought. A Benteke, a number 10 and a tricky one.

Assume we get a straight cash deal for Benteke, Javier Hernandez or Danny Wellbeck would be a good fit for Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 09, 2013, 01:09:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:41:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Kiyotake and bony .

They look ideal, but I would bet neither are at Villa come August the 31st.

I think if he and Bent go, there will be 3 more forwards bought. A Benteke, a number 10 and a tricky one.

Assume we get a straight cash deal for Benteke, Javier Hernandez or Danny Wellbeck would be a good fit for Villa.

Didnt welbeck score 2 goals in 36 games at united last season ? No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 01:10:36 PM

Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 09, 2013, 01:09:06 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:41:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 12:36:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 12:29:00 PM

A good number 10 and a good replacement in a similar style, and there will be a few out there I would bet, and we will be fine, do better than last year and move on.

As for another handing in a transfer request, I can't see it being any other player in our first team, so I am really not bothered.

Kiyotake and bony .

They look ideal, but I would bet neither are at Villa come August the 31st.

I think if he and Bent go, there will be 3 more forwards bought. A Benteke, a number 10 and a tricky one.

Assume we get a straight cash deal for Benteke, Javier Hernandez or Danny Wellbeck would be a good fit for Villa.

Hernandez wouldn't come here. He'd be very good. He does everything Benty can, but has a little more to his game too.
Welbeck is a bit shite to be honest. He's certainly not the 15-20 goals striker we'd need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Allegedly works in the sky sports offices - 68000 followers is not bad though - beats the 22 of some ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:18:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Allegedly works in the sky sports offices - 68000 followers is not bad though - beats the 22 of some ;)

Indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 09, 2013, 01:22:26 PM

Assuming Benteke goes, it's hard to know how Lambert will go about replacing him - which he must. We can't rely on Helenius and I don't believe Weimann will be as effective in the Benteke role.

Money aside, I can't think of anyone in the PL that I think would be a good replacement (keeping it realistic). I think we are going to have to look abroad. Lambert got it spot on last year signing Benteke. He has also signed a few interesting youngsters, with a lot to prove.

But thus far, he hasn't really gone into the market of identifying an established player who can come in and do a job for us. A lot of this is down to financial restrictions of course, but also, Lambert is happy to go down this path of buying young hungry players with something to prove.

So now, presumably, he will have a 'war chest' how do people think he will spend it? He bid for Dempsey last year, so clearly he isn't limiting himself to the young, up and coming type. Assuming Benteke is sold, I expect us to sign at least 2 established players, possibly (and preferably) from overseas. I think these signings will be the ones that Lambert HAS TO  get right.

The one player I think might be worth a Bid would be Michu. I know Swansea would be reluctant to sell, but would it be worth testing their resolve?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 01:24:35 PM

Michu would be good. We'd have to alter our game slightly. He'd be excellent playing with Wiemann ahead of him. That said, I think he'd only move to a CL club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2013, 01:29:56 PM

Wellbeck is gash.

I can't believe he plays for Man United.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on July 09, 2013, 01:31:39 PM

You know what? Selling Benteke (if we get the full amount) may actually work out really well. I mean of course it's a blow to lose your top striker but the amount of profit Lambert is currently turning out of his signings is incredible. 30 million could make us a lot stronger all round than just having Benteke up top.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2013, 01:33:25 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 09, 2013, 01:22:26 PM

Assuming Benteke goes, it's hard to know how Lambert will go about replacing him - which he must. We can't rely on Helenius and I don't believe Weimann will be as effective in the Benteke role.

Money aside, I can't think of anyone in the PL that I think would be a good replacement (keeping it realistic). I think we are going to have to look abroad. Lambert got it spot on last year signing Benteke. He has also signed a few interesting youngsters, with a lot to prove.

But thus far, he hasn't really gone into the market of identifying an established player who can come in and do a job for us. A lot of this is down to financial restrictions of course, but also, Lambert is happy to go down this path of buying young hungry players with something to prove.

So now, presumably, he will have a 'war chest' how do people think he will spend it? He bid for Dempsey last year, so clearly he isn't limiting himself to the young, up and coming type. Assuming Benteke is sold, I expect us to sign at least 2 established players, possibly (and preferably) from overseas. I think these signings will be the ones that Lambert HAS TO  get right.

The one player I think might be worth a Bid would be Michu. I know Swansea would be reluctant to sell, but would it be worth testing their resolve?

Michu is a very limited player, like Bent, when he's not scoring he doesn't offer much instead.

Kiyotake would be an obvious option seeing as we've shown an interest already.  I'd want us to sneak in an offer for Bony as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 09, 2013, 01:35:06 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on July 09, 2013, 01:31:39 PM

You know what? Selling Benteke (if we get the full amount) may actually work out really well. I mean of course it's a blow to lose your top striker but the amount of profit Lambert is currently turning out of his signings is incredible. 30 million could make us a lot stronger all round than just having Benteke up top.

While it's hard to look at losing Benteke as a positive right now, you might be right. Look at how Newcastle re-invested the money from selling Andy Carroll. I think we have a better man in Lambert at the helm, who could build a squad to bring us sustained development in the next few years.

Of course, if he does too good a job, we will probably have whatever club takes Benteke off us looking for Lambert as manager in a few years and so the cylce continues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 01:41:39 PM

 talk elsewhere of Brown Ideye being a possible replacement, apparently PL has had him watched for a while

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 09, 2013, 01:54:54 PM

Someone at work had seen Dempsey plus cash suggested. I thought it was a bit lazy and based on the fact we bid for him the night we got Benteke.

I do like him, mind. Doubt we'd be interested in him though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2013, 01:56:47 PM

After the season he's just had and with his wages, etc I'd still want 25m with dempsey included.  I'd put it up to 30m if they tried to add adebayor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 02:00:32 PM

25 and Dempsey would suit me to be honest. He is a good player, could play off the front, wide or in midfield and carries a good goal threat, while adding a dash of experience.

Brown Ideye has been mentioned a few times now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 02:10:32 PM

I think the Dempsey boat has sailed now and would much rather someone like Kiyotake.

As I said on the Benteke thread, the only player I'd consider in part exchange is Lukaku if he goes to Chelsea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 09, 2013, 02:33:57 PM

Concrete John, nail on the head for me.  Lukaku for Benteke if he goes to Chelsea.  Get Chelsea to pay Lukaku's salary for the first couple of years too.   If he goes to Man City, I would mind having little Jimmy back. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 09, 2013, 03:00:29 PM

Quote from: Newby on July 09, 2013, 02:33:57 PM

Concrete John, nail on the head for me.  Lukaku for Benteke if he goes to Chelsea.  Get Chelsea to pay Lukaku's salary for the first couple of years too.   If he goes to Man City, I would mind having little Jimmy back. 

I'm surprised that the return of Milner hasn't been suggested before  ::)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on July 09, 2013, 03:06:52 PM

Hey that's not a bad shout, Get Milner back.

What about Lukaku on loan too?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on July 09, 2013, 03:21:42 PM

There isn't a Cat in hells chance of getting anyone from Chelsea and possibly spurs in part exchange. They won't fit the philosophy and the wages will be to high. We'll spend the money outside the premier league but will have enough to buy 3 Bentekes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 09, 2013, 03:31:56 PM

Quote from: mrastonvilla on July 09, 2013, 03:21:42 PM

There isn't a Cat in hells chance of getting anyone from Chelsea and possibly spurs in part exchange. They won't fit the philosophy and the wages will be to high. We'll spend the money outside the premier league but will have enough to buy 3 Bentekes.

I think buying from outside the PL is most likely, but with all the other new players needing time to adjust, also having a starting striker new to the league could be an issue.  It's one I'm happy to leave to Lambert, but if a deal could make finacial sense and the player actually WANTS to come here, then we shouldn't exclude the possibility.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 03:32:43 PM

Whenever i watched Lukaku last season i remember not being very impressed, then i realised that i was comparing him to Benteke which was a bit unfair. I also was'nt taking his age into consideration. 17 goals for the Stripeyfilth was good going but he's still raw though. There was one game against Southampton away where he missed three pretty scoreable chances in the first half and scored an harder chance in the second. He's a bit like that.

All that said, £18m plus him and i'd take it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 03:38:45 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 03:32:43 PM

Whenever i watched Lukaku last season i remember not being very impressed, then i realised that i was comparing him to Benteke which was a bit unfair. I also was'nt taking his age into consideration. 17 goals for the Stripeyfilth was good going but he's still raw though. There was one game against Southampton away where he missed three pretty scoreable chances in the first half and scored an harder chance in the second. He's a bit like that.

All that said, £18m plus him and i'd take it.

Doubt they would pay £18m plus him - maybe £12 m plus lukaku.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on July 09, 2013, 03:39:16 PM

Das Bost available from Wolfsburg  ( allegedly ) , were,nt we linked with him last year and he turned down a move , pre Lambert era if memory serves .  .................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 09, 2013, 03:41:23 PM

Said it before, but worth throwing back in the mix since Bentekes agent squeaked last night.

Lukaku as a straight replacement for CB - on loan if necessary. And use the extra cash to get Michu from Swansea as the number 10 we've been after.

Mind you, poaching Michu from another club after a single good season kind of puts a different slant on how the transfer pecking order works.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 09, 2013, 03:53:47 PM

Quote from: mr woo on July 09, 2013, 03:41:23 PM

Said it before, but worth throwing back in the mix since Bentekes agent squeaked last night.

Lukaku as a straight replacement for CB - on loan if necessary. And use the extra cash to get Michu from Swansea as the number 10 we've been after.

Mind you, poaching Michu from another club after a single good season kind of puts a different slant on how the transfer pecking order works.

Plus Swansea have the "added attraction" of the EUROPA League to tempt overseas players

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 09, 2013, 03:58:05 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on July 09, 2013, 03:39:16 PM

Das Bost available from Wolfsburg  ( allegedly ) , were,nt we linked with him last year and he turned down a move , pre Lambert era if memory serves .  .................Godzvilla!

Das Bost?  Is that the film about the German WWII sub?  Not an ideal replacement, not much of a turning circle for one thing, I fear we'd sink without trace.
Das Bost:(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4Jq9Iusf2Xrj4YE_X_V31UYCENQ9f9QNwUS-sHP7AxJqpgTyebQ)

Bas Dost:(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQw1nVCAlT27umTMSS8z0lHKNc27VwlInZNUd0f2NcT2ZkyAPV8oQ)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on July 09, 2013, 04:35:02 PM

He'd have to get about the pitch a bit to sweat as much as they do in Das Boot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 09, 2013, 04:43:35 PM

Curse CB for handing in that transfer request.  It has made loads of daft suggestions of mature players resurface on here, not long after they had been silenced in favour of going all 'TripAdvilla' about Luton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2013, 04:43:45 PM

I can't believe we missed out on the chance to get Grant Holt in to replace Judas Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 04:55:05 PM

his best mate advised him only to go to a big club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2013, 05:07:09 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 09, 2013, 04:55:05 PM

his best mate advised him only to go to a big club

To fit his fat arse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 09, 2013, 05:29:44 PM

Mario Gomez 15 million? Luis Suarez bid at 30million what price is acceptable for benteke and we need to swoop for Altidore as a replacement if Benteke has to go  >:(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 05:41:34 PM

Don't know how this would sit with people, but I think Shane Long wouldn't be a bad shout to replace Benteke if he goes.  Not as good as Benteke, but is able to play a similar role to him.  Good in the air, works very hard and scores fairly regularly.  Would be nice to put a few noses out of joint in Sandwell as well.  Someone like that along with a quality attacking midfielder would probably soften the impact of losing Benteke a bit.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 09, 2013, 05:46:04 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 05:41:34 PM

Don't know how this would sit with people, but I think Shane Long wouldn't be a bad shout to replace Benteke if he goes.  Not as good as Benteke, but is able to play a similar role to him.  Good in the air, works very hard and scores fairly regularly.  Would be nice to put a few noses out of joint in Sandwell as well.  Someone like that along with a quality attacking midfielder would probably soften the impact of losing Benteke a bit.   

Lukakau did better than Long and Lambo does not sign mature PL players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ashkar on July 09, 2013, 05:48:39 PM

CB to chelsea for 25m+ Demba Ba? dont think mourinho will let lukaku go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 05:49:57 PM

Quote from: ashkar on July 09, 2013, 05:48:39 PM

CB to chelsea for 25m+ Demba Ba? dont think mourinho will let lukaku go.

I wouldn't want demba ba.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 05:57:53 PM

Ba is a better player than people give credit for on here IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ashkar on July 09, 2013, 06:00:59 PM

Ba is a quality player. He is experienced and will help Helenius bed in.
We can use the funds to buy an attacking midfielder like Leroy Fer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 09, 2013, 06:01:51 PM

Quote from: ashkar on July 09, 2013, 06:00:59 PM

Ba is a quality player. He is experienced and will help Helenius bed in.
We can use the funds to buy an attacking midfielder like Leroy Fer.

His wages are well out of our league he has to be on £80,000 pw @ Chelski

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 06:02:35 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 05:57:53 PM

Ba is a better player than people give credit for on here IMO.

There's nothing wrong with the player, he's very good. I  reckon he'd be another one who'd want to move after a good season. He's had 3 clubs over here already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 06:02:40 PM

Fer would be a good signing too if his knee is ok for sure. Like the look of him a lot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 06:04:47 PM

Kiyotake for £10m would leave plenty cash for another striker - preferably bony unless its too late.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 06:05:34 PM

It is, Jenkins has told SSN that the deal is done bar the pen on paper tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 09, 2013, 06:06:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 06:04:47 PM

Kiyotake for £10m would leave plenty cash for another striker - preferably bony unless its too late.

I agree go in and gazump Swansea for Bony ASAP

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 06:09:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 06:05:34 PM

It is, Jenkins has told SSN that the deal is done bar the pen on paper tomorrow.

Lets steal the pen ;)

Remember remy was set to join newcastle and qpr stepped in at the last second, never too late until the ink dries on the contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 06:14:10 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 09, 2013, 05:46:04 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 05:41:34 PM

Don't know how this would sit with people, but I think Shane Long wouldn't be a bad shout to replace Benteke if he goes.  Not as good as Benteke, but is able to play a similar role to him.  Good in the air, works very hard and scores fairly regularly.  Would be nice to put a few noses out of joint in Sandwell as well.  Someone like that along with a quality attacking midfielder would probably soften the impact of losing Benteke a bit.   

Lukakau did better than Long and Lambo does not sign mature PL players.

Long is only 26!!  He would be a decent fit for us though, as he works incredibly hard and we did tend to play directly at times last season.  Doubt it will happen though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 09, 2013, 06:30:16 PM

We would need a powerhouse striker to be the fulcrum of the attack. One that allows the likes of Gabby space to cause havok. That isn't Shane Long. We have Weimann already who is similar and arguably better. Certainly more promising.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 06:34:23 PM

A no to Shane Long from me as well. Decent enough player but not what we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 09, 2013, 06:34:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 06:05:34 PM

It is, Jenkins has told SSN that the deal is done bar the pen on paper tomorrow.

Brian Clough in his day wouldn't let that stop him!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 06:35:34 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 06:34:23 PM

A no to Shane Long from me as well. Decent enough player but not what we need.

And the long and short of it Is that I totally agree with my old friend clampy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 09, 2013, 06:47:19 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 05:49:57 PM

Quote from: ashkar on July 09, 2013, 05:48:39 PM

CB to chelsea for 25m+ Demba Ba? dont think mourinho will let lukaku go.

I wouldn't want demba ba.

Or his no doubt ridiculous wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2013, 07:14:43 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 09, 2013, 06:30:16 PM

We would need a powerhouse striker to be the fulcrum of the attack. One that allows the likes of Gabby space to cause havok. That isn't Shane Long. We have Weimann already who is similar and arguably better. Certainly more promising.

Thought he was a real handful against us at Villa Park.  He's very good in the air and he works very hard, so could be the fulcrum of the attack.  Like I said before, very doubtful it would happen though especially as Albion would do everything in their power to block it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on July 09, 2013, 07:15:40 PM

I don't want any deal to involve a cash plus player on loan, such as the Lukaku suggestion many are making. Why should we give a platform for other premier clubs to grow their players. Loans between premier league clubs should be stopped. It pisses me right off.

We're the Villa, not some Chelski or Spurs little bitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 07:19:10 PM

Long is a no from me. Don't think he's good enough to replace Benteke. Likewise I'd rather put Andy up top as our main man before someone like Long. Whilst he might be fairly decent in the air, he's only 5,10 and would never be able to win the amount of aerial duels Bentdicke did.
We also have Helenius who can be a target man. He's more Crouch than Benteke but we're not a hoofing side anymore. His link up play is one of his strength's too so I see him being able to open space for others.

If we did sign another forward I'd rather get an quality number 10 type as well as a midfielder who could get 5-10 goals a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 09, 2013, 08:02:58 PM

I'd like to see Demba Ba join us if Chelsea sign Benteke. Then spend part of the remaining money on Younes Belhanda. Surely those 2 players would make us a real force? Be interesting when Okore has to mark Benteke when we play his new club, assuming of course he remains in the Premier League!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 09, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

That's that option gone -

@TransferSources: CONFIRMED: Bony has officially signed for Swansea. #SCFC http://t.co/Gy8vauTR4Q

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:21:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:18:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Allegedly works in the sky sports offices - 68000 followers is not bad though - beats the 22 of some ;)

Indeed.

You pair at it again.? Even before the season starts ? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 09, 2013, 08:33:12 PM

Philipp Hosiner.I reckon Lambert should go get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2013, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:21:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:18:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Allegedly works in the sky sports offices - 68000 followers is not bad though - beats the 22 of some ;)

Indeed.

You pair at it again.? Even before the season starts ? ;)

It's their first Summer of Love.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 09, 2013, 08:37:26 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 09, 2013, 06:30:16 PM

We would need a powerhouse striker to be the fulcrum of the attack. One that allows the likes of Gabby space to cause havok. That isn't Shane Long. We have Weimann already who is similar and arguably better. Certainly more promising.

Havok is software or a metal band or a comic book super hero. I'd prefer Gabby to rack up goals and assists rather than half time entertainment options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 09, 2013, 09:10:56 PM

This may sound strange considering he has scored goals, but I still don't rate Ba, even if he did lower his wage. I just don't see what other see.

I'm probably wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 09:22:51 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 09, 2013, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 08:21:40 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:18:37 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 09, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 09, 2013, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2013, 12:03:18 PM

It's hardly earth-shattering news that a club who have just bought six players will be shifting some.

I think the tweeter in question calls himself a freelance journalist. He's a not so mental Julie.

Allegedly works in the sky sports offices - 68000 followers is not bad though - beats the 22 of some ;)

Indeed.

You pair at it again.? Even before the season starts ? ;)

It's their first Summer of Love.

I suppose they are both wearing flower printed shirts and sharing a dodgy woodbine as well ? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 09, 2013, 10:14:24 PM

Papiss Cisse anyone? Newcastle want Bent & Cisse always looks capable of something special.. Rather him than Ba any day for me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 10:22:16 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 09, 2013, 10:14:24 PM

Papiss Cisse anyone? Newcastle want Bent & Cisse always looks capable of something special.. Rather him than Ba any day for me

Maybe. But why do the Geordies want rid of him ? No smoke without fire me thinks. How old is he ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 09, 2013, 10:51:27 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 09, 2013, 08:02:58 PM

I'd like to see Demba Ba join us if Chelsea sign Benteke. Then spend part of the remaining money on Younes Belhanda. Surely those 2 players would make us a real force? Be interesting when Okore has to mark Benteke when we play his new club, assuming of course he remains in the Premier League!

Didn't Belhanda sign for Kiev a week ago?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 09, 2013, 11:08:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 09, 2013, 05:57:53 PM

Ba is a better player than people give credit for on here IMO.

I agree, that goal he made against Man U last season was pretty special.  I'd suspect his wages would be too high though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 11:22:10 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 09, 2013, 10:51:27 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 09, 2013, 08:02:58 PM

I'd like to see Demba Ba join us if Chelsea sign Benteke. Then spend part of the remaining money on Younes Belhanda. Surely those 2 players would make us a real force? Be interesting when Okore has to mark Benteke when we play his new club, assuming of course he remains in the Premier League!

Didn't Belhanda sign for Kiev a week ago?

No. He pulled out after the shirt held high stage. Do not know why, but he did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 11:27:20 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 10:22:16 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 09, 2013, 10:14:24 PM

Papiss Cisse anyone? Newcastle want Bent & Cisse always looks capable of something special.. Rather him than Ba any day for me

Maybe. But why do the Geordies want rid of him ? No smoke without fire me thinks. How old is he ?

There's been problems with Cisse because of something to do with the shirt sponsor. He's refusing, on religious grounds, to wear a shirt with a gambling company on it. That could in part be their problem. Also in part a very disappointing 2nd season, so they might want to cash in while they can.
That said, I don't think he'd come here. Though he'd have no trouble in terms of practicing his religion around the area, we also have a betting company on our shirts.

I wouldn't be adverse to Ba. If we get 30 mill from Benteke, 6 mill for Bent (as well as 80k of wages off the books) then I don't think we'd have that much of a problem in paying Ba something similar to what Benty is on now.
That is of course if Lambert would want him. I think if anything he'll have 2-3 in mind who we'll never have heard of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2013, 11:43:09 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 11:27:20 PM

There's been problems with Cisse because of something to do with the shirt sponsor. He's refusing, on religious grounds, to wear a shirt with a gambling company on it.

A loan company, and he's complaining because the concept of interest being paid on money that is lent to somebody is forbidden in Islam. Yet he's spent the last 18 months with the name of one of the biggest banks in the county on his chest without complaint.

So although his commitment to his religion is commendable, he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 09, 2013, 11:46:17 PM

Leroy Fer seems always to attract interest without anybody taking the plunge.

Lukaku in exchange should he go to Chelsea would be nice, but he's not the finished item.  My Boggies mates suggests he goes missing quite often, which the MOTD highlights never show you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 11:47:46 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 09, 2013, 11:43:09 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 11:27:20 PM

There's been problems with Cisse because of something to do with the shirt sponsor. He's refusing, on religious grounds, to wear a shirt with a gambling company on it.

A loan company, and he's complaining because the concept of interest being paid on money that is lent to somebody is forbidden in Islam. Yet he's spent the last 18 months with the name of one of the biggest banks in the county on his chest without complaint.

So although his commitment to his religion is commendable, he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the box.

He'd also be gone for the African cup too. Another thing we'd have to consider, in the very unlikely event we'd make a move for him.
He might not be the sharpest tool but I bet he'd beat Benteke on Countdown though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 09, 2013, 11:50:31 PM

Quote from: Grande Pablo on July 09, 2013, 11:46:17 PM

Leroy Fer seems always to attract interest without anybody taking the plunge.

Lukaku in exchange should he go to Chelsea would be nice, but he's not the finished item.  My Boggies mates suggests he goes missing quite often, which the MOTD highlights never show you.

If he can go missing and still score us 17 league goals, I'll take that. I think he'll be even better this season. If he's our stand in Benteke for a year I'd be happy with that. The only being here a year on loan doesn't really bother me, because no one expected Benteke to stay longer than one more year.
In 12 months time hopefully Helenius is ready to take the mantle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 10, 2013, 12:16:36 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 09, 2013, 07:19:10 PM

Long is a no from me. Don't think he's good enough to replace Benteke. Likewise I'd rather put Andy up top as our main man before someone like Long. Whilst he might be fairly decent in the air, he's only 5,10 and would never be able to win the amount of aerial duels Bentdicke did.
We also have Helenius who can be a target man. He's more Crouch than Benteke but we're not a hoofing side anymore. His link up play is one of his strength's too so I see him being able to open space for others.

If we did sign another forward I'd rather get an quality number 10 type as well as a midfielder who could get 5-10 goals a season.

We were very direct at times last season, which is why Benteke's aerial was so crucial for us.  Nearly every goal kick we took was aimed in his direction.  I think the need for aerial ability is why Bent struggled to make an impact when he got his chance and it is a quality we will need from any incoming players.  We will have to agree to disagree on Shane Long though!! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 10, 2013, 12:34:39 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 09, 2013, 11:22:10 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 09, 2013, 10:51:27 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 09, 2013, 08:02:58 PM

I'd like to see Demba Ba join us if Chelsea sign Benteke. Then spend part of the remaining money on Younes Belhanda. Surely those 2 players would make us a real force? Be interesting when Okore has to mark Benteke when we play his new club, assuming of course he remains in the Premier League!

Didn't Belhanda sign for Kiev a week ago?

No. He pulled out after the shirt held high stage. Do not know why, but he did.

I thought he had signed afterall?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 10, 2013, 12:38:22 AM

He's a Kiev player.

 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/16415/8802506/Younes-Belhanda-denies-talk-suggesting-he-could-back-out-of-Dynamo-Kiev-move

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 10, 2013, 06:40:09 AM

Yep. The rumour about him pulling out of the move lasted about an hour, I think. Belhanda a definite no.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 07:36:13 AM

Kiyotake would fill the midfield creative voids for me leaving maybe £15m to replace benteke , I'm sure lambert has players in mind x, probably ones we are unaware of but I'm happy with his buys so trust him on this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2013, 08:04:30 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 07:36:13 AM

Kiyotake would fill the midfield creative voids for me leaving maybe £15m to replace benteke , I'm sure lambert has players in mind x, probably ones we are unaware of but I'm happy with his buys so trust him on this.

;-) indeed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 10, 2013, 08:13:20 AM

I've slept on it and now feel Benteke can go for £30 million plus fifty per cent of any future sell-on profit.  If no club wishes to meet the valuation, stick the lad in the reserves.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 10, 2013, 08:15:09 AM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 10, 2013, 08:13:20 AM

I've slept on it and now feel Benteke can go for £30 million plus fifty per cent of any future sell-on profit.  If no club wishes to meet the valuation, stick the lad in the reserves.

I'd stick him in an apron in the canteen

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 10, 2013, 08:21:16 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 10, 2013, 08:15:09 AM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 10, 2013, 08:13:20 AM

I've slept on it and now feel Benteke can go for £30 million plus fifty per cent of any future sell-on profit.  If no club wishes to meet the valuation, stick the lad in the reserves.

I'd stick him in an apron in the canteen

Thats ridiculous!. He might get mistaken for Ainsley Harriot and become a figure of fun.

Hmmmm.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 10, 2013, 08:22:44 AM

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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 10, 2013, 08:25:58 AM

Papers suggest Spuds and Chelski in fight to sign him.

Hope he goes to Chelski - would love to watch training and see him finish Terry off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 08:55:39 AM

On a more positive note, is there any coverage of tonights game on any tv channel any where ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 08:59:25 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 08:55:39 AM

On a more positive note, is there any coverage of tonights game on any tv channel any where ?

Doubt it - very low key opposition , avtv are doing live commentary and highlights later if you put up with woodwards dulcet tones .

I'm concentrating my thoughts on the ashes and trying to put this benteke stuff on the back burner once 11am arrives.
My old friend paul winch and i will be joined by the expert analysis of affers on the cricket thread :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 09:17:45 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 08:59:25 AM

Quote from: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 08:55:39 AM

On a more positive note, is there any coverage of tonights game on any tv channel any where ?

Doubt it - very low key opposition , avtv are doing live commentary and highlights later if you put up with woodwards dulcet tones .

I'm concentrating my thoughts on the ashes and trying to put this benteke stuff on the back burner once 11am arrives.
My old friend paul winch and i will be joined by the expert analysis of affers on the cricket thread :)

I may see you there. Plenty of food in the fridge, cold beers and a day off work. If Carlsberg................

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 09:31:25 AM

Good man - i have 18 cans of carling in the fridge - gotta take mrs east for a meal at 4 so must stay sober :(
Transfer business can wait until tonight :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM

Having Carling is reason enough to stay sober.  As my daughter would say "eeyak, dont like it"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:27:20 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM

Having Carling is reason enough to stay sober.  As my daughter would say "eeyak, dont like it"

We can't all afford to drink Moët :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 10, 2013, 10:40:41 AM

I don't mind carling to be honest

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 10:56:33 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:27:20 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM

Having Carling is reason enough to stay sober.  As my daughter would say "eeyak, dont like it"

We can't all afford to drink Moët :)

But anyone can afford to drink old washing-up water, which is still better than Carling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 10:56:33 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:27:20 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM

Having Carling is reason enough to stay sober.  As my daughter would say "eeyak, dont like it"

We can't all afford to drink Moët :)

But anyone can afford to drink old washing-up water, which is still better than Carling.

Whats your poison dave ?
Fairy or morning  fresh ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 10, 2013, 11:20:43 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 10:56:33 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 10:27:20 AM

Quote from: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 10:25:18 AM

Having Carling is reason enough to stay sober.  As my daughter would say "eeyak, dont like it"

We can't all afford to drink Moët :)

But anyone can afford to drink old washing-up water, which is still better than Carling.

Whats your poison dave ?
Fairy or morning  fresh ?

Asda Smart price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 11:52:06 AM

There's some strange suggestions on this thread for a replacement for benteke:

- there's no way Weimann can replace him in the same role, nor can bent
- papiss cisse is the same. His hold up play isn't good enough
- kiyotake etc are interesting options and we need a number 10, but we absolutely must have a proper number 9. It's very obvious lambert wants to play like that

Lukaku is the best option I've seen, but I don't know how realistic that is. Long is a much underrated player but i can't see that happening.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 12:02:42 PM

Having read ten pages worth of the thread I conclude that none of you have better suggestions than the not very inspired list I and countless others have in their heads!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:22:50 PM

Bent got caught misbehaving. There is no way back for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 12:30:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 11:52:06 AM

but we absolutely must have a proper number 9. It's very obvious lambert wants to play like that

We have just signed a bloke who is 6ft 5 and plays up front. By all accounts he's not Duncan Ferguson, but then again neither is Benteke.

As for other names, I expect we'll be looking to continue our current MO. Looking for some of the top scorers of smaller European leagues looking for their next step before moving on again. So the likes of Yilmaz, Guidetti, Finnbogason, Ideye, Djebbour and Hosiner are probably the sort of thing we'd be considering.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 12:31:14 PM

The way back for him was to make himself undroppable.  He hasnt made that on form, attitude or desire on the pitch for months.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:22:50 PM

Bent got caught misbehaving. There is no way back for him.

Caught misbehaving? Says who?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 12:39:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 12:30:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 11:52:06 AM

but we absolutely must have a proper number 9. It's very obvious lambert wants to play like that

We have just signed a bloke who is 6ft 5 and plays up front. By all accounts he's not Duncan Ferguson, but then again neither is Benteke.

As for other names, I expect we'll be looking to continue our current MO. Looking for some of the top scorers of smaller European leagues looking for their next step before moving on again. So the likes of Yilmaz, Guidetti, Finnbogason, Ideye, Djebbour and Hosiner are probably the sort of thing we'd be considering.

I agree Helenius could step in, but I can't believe we'll start the season reliant on him being our main striker. He cost less than £2m.

I've only ever seen ideye of the names you provide and wasn't particularly impressed.

I think we're going to take a bit of time to find the right balance whoever we sign. It'd be miraculous if we signed someone as good as benteke. To replace his goals, we'll need more from midfield. A no 10 is the obvious answer, but that would mean as sacrificing the 3 in midfield that protected our full backs so much better than any other formation last season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 10, 2013, 12:42:37 PM

Quote from: Grande Pablo on July 09, 2013, 11:46:17 PM

Leroy Fer seems always to attract interest without anybody taking the plunge.

We need to strike while the iron is hot

/crap pun

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 10, 2013, 12:46:06 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 11:52:06 AM

There's some strange suggestions on this thread for a replacement for benteke:

- there's no way Weimann can replace him in the same role, nor can bent
- papiss cisse is the same. His hold up play isn't good enough
- kiyotake etc are interesting options and we need a number 10, but we absolutely must have a proper number 9. It's very obvious lambert wants to play like that

Lukaku is the best option I've seen, but I don't know how realistic that is. Long is a much underrated player but i can't see that happening.

Agree that Lukaku is the best option but if we don't get him,then we could spend £10m approx for someone who is no better than Weimann.Long holds up the ball better than but Weimann and Bent are better goalscorers. I know Weimann's goal ratio is not thatl brilliant if you look at the raw statistics,but he is young and will get better and his return from playing out wide and having to chase back was impressive and he can play 1-2's unlike Bent.Remember Benteke scored 19 goals and therefore we need someone with a goal threat. Weimann fits that bill and it's his natural position.A wide player with more skill than Weimann but with a similar work ethic would create extra goal chances and so would another high quality midfielder.We have to rebalance because it would be difficult to find another Benteke apart from Lukaku and I would take him on a season's loan because it would give Helenius extra time and we could still spend big to strengthen other areas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 12:48:59 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 12:39:44 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 12:30:42 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 11:52:06 AM

but we absolutely must have a proper number 9. It's very obvious lambert wants to play like that

We have just signed a bloke who is 6ft 5 and plays up front. By all accounts he's not Duncan Ferguson, but then again neither is Benteke.

As for other names, I expect we'll be looking to continue our current MO. Looking for some of the top scorers of smaller European leagues looking for their next step before moving on again. So the likes of Yilmaz, Guidetti, Finnbogason, Ideye, Djebbour and Hosiner are probably the sort of thing we'd be considering.

I agree Helenius could step in, but I can't believe we'll start the season reliant on him being our main striker. He cost less than £2m.

I don't see that how much he cost matters too much. Cardiff spent £8m on Cornelius who scored two extra goals for a better team in the same league. If we'd just spent £7m on Helenius would you happier about him being our main striker?

I've not really watched any of the names on that list either, it's just some of the people who scored lots of goals in smaller leagues in the last couple of years. But I expect that it's people like them that we'll be looking at rather than the likes of Lukaku and Shane Long. Because that's how we seem to be doing things now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

Eastie - I heard from someone close to the first team, dont want to elaborate further but there is def no way back for him.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:01:16 PM

I don't agree that Weimann's natural position is where benteke has been playing at all. Lambert has said his best position is off the main striker, which I agree with and which is an option for some games.

On Helenius, I've never seen him play, so just taking the market value as an indication of the consensus on his quality. Obviously lambert thinks he's better than that, but it'd be a massive gamble to rely on him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

Eastie - I heard from someone close to the first team, dont want to elaborate further but there is def no way back for him.....

I hope he hasn't  wanked in lamberts porridge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 01:07:04 PM

I do wonder if the club were expecting to lose Benteke after the World Cup anyway, which is what most of us were thinking, with the idea that Helenius would be the longterm replacement.  A small punt and in 12 months time we have a huge cash injection to buy a more established striker, if he doesn't look like he's going to cut the mustard.  And if so, what does that do to our plans if/when Benteke goes 12 months too early?

I think Lambert seems to be building the squad in a very logical and methodical manner, meaning he's unlikely to abandon the Helenius option.  So if we bought someone like Wilfried Bony now, who's 25 and should be around a few years, and we have the issue of Helenius possibly being held back if he's pushing hard for a 1st team place.   

All this says to me 'loan'.

I know there not to everyone's taste, but if we had Lukaku for 12 months we'd be in the exact same position in summer 2014 as we expected to be, which is Benteke gone and a huge bank balance to spend after having seen Helenius for a year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:01:16 PM

On Helenius, I've never seen him play, so just taking the market value as an indication of the consensus on his quality. Obviously lambert thinks he's better than that, but it'd be a massive gamble to rely on him.

But on that basis, Fabio Borini should have been a better player than Benteke. Charlie Adam should have been a better player than Westwood. Bryan Oviedo should have been better than Lowton. They all cost more and play in a similar position.

It was a massive gamble to rely on Benteke last season, but taking a gamble is what we'll be doing again this season, whether that's bringing in another striker or using Helenius earlier than we thought. Fortunately where transfers are concerned Lambert seems to be good at gambling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:10:28 PM

With Lukaku, I think people are missing a couple of points.

Firstly, it was he who urged Benteke to move to a "bigger club" as soon as he could last season. That's not a promising start.

Secondly, he's one of Benteke's best mates, and the fact he is going to be in London next year will almost certainly be having an influence on Benteke wanting to be there, too.

Given that, there's no way Lukaku would come here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2013, 01:10:45 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

Eastie - I heard from someone close to the first team, dont want to elaborate further but there is def no way back for him.....

I hope he hasn't  wanked in lamberts porridge.

Again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 01:10:55 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 01:07:04 PM

I do wonder if the club were expecting to lose Benteke after the World Cup anyway, which is what most of us were thinking, with the idea that Helenius would be the longterm replacement.  A small punt and in 12 months time we have a huge cash injection to buy a more established striker, if he doesn't look like he's going to cut the mustard.  And if so, what does that do to our plans if/when Benteke goes 12 months too early?

I think Lambert seems to be building the squad in a very logical and methodical manner, meaning he's unlikely to abandon the Helenius option.  So if we bought someone like Wilfried Bony now, who's 25 and should be around a few years, and we have the issue of Helenius possibly being held back if he's pushing hard for a 1st team place.   

All this says to me 'loan'.

I know there not to everyone's taste, but if we had Lukaku for 12 months we'd be in the exact same position in summer 2014 as we expected to be, which is Benteke gone and a huge bank balance to spend after having seen Helenius for a year.

Sounds a very good idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 01:12:34 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 10, 2013, 01:10:45 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 01:02:42 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 10, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

Eastie - I heard from someone close to the first team, dont want to elaborate further but there is def no way back for him.....

I hope he hasn't  wanked in lamberts porridge.

Again.

Benteke seems to be doing a better job of wanking in everyone's porridge. Fecker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:01:16 PM

On Helenius, I've never seen him play, so just taking the market value as an indication of the consensus on his quality. Obviously lambert thinks he's better than that, but it'd be a massive gamble to rely on him.

But on that basis, Fabio Borini should have been a better player than Benteke. Charlie Adam should have been a better player than Westwood. Bryan Oviedo should have been better than Lowton. They all cost more and play in a similar position.

It was a massive gamble to rely on Benteke last season, but taking a gamble is what we'll be doing again this season, whether that's bringing in another striker or using Helenius earlier than we thought. Fortunately where transfers are concerned Lambert seems to be good at gambling.

One thing we saw last season was that Benteke was more important to us in terms of goals scored and goals made than any other player was to their club in the PL.

It is absolutely crucial that we replace him with as little risk as possible. Punts on the likes of Westwood and Bennett are one thing, but the higher cost of getting this one wrong makes taking a gamble riskier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on July 10, 2013, 01:13:34 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:10:28 PM

With Lukaku, I think people are missing a couple of points.

Firstly, it was he who urged Benteke to move to a "bigger club" as soon as he could last season.

Secondly, he's one of Benteke's best mates, and the fact he is going to be in London next year will almost certainly be having an influence on Benteke wanting to be there, too.

Given that, there's no way Lukaku would come here.

No, but it would really, really funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:15:30 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:01:16 PM

On Helenius, I've never seen him play, so just taking the market value as an indication of the consensus on his quality. Obviously lambert thinks he's better than that, but it'd be a massive gamble to rely on him.

But on that basis, Fabio Borini should have been a better player than Benteke. Charlie Adam should have been a better player than Westwood. Bryan Oviedo should have been better than Lowton. They all cost more and play in a similar position.

It was a massive gamble to rely on Benteke last season, but taking a gamble is what we'll be doing again this season, whether that's bringing in another striker or using Helenius earlier than we thought. Fortunately where transfers are concerned Lambert seems to be good at gambling.

Benteke was a £7m first choice pick for a top class Belgian side, and at the time we were playing two up top with gabby bent and Weimann competing for places.

We now have a settled way of playing that requires a no 9. Helenius cost less than £2m and is not first pick for a poor Denmark side.

We need a similar signing to benteke or for Helenius to immediately exceed expectations

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 01:15:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:10:28 PM

With Lukaku, I think people are missing a couple of points.

Firstly, it was he who urged Benteke to move to a "bigger club" as soon as he could last season.

Secondly, he's one of Benteke's best mates, and the fact he is going to be in London next year will almost certainly be having an influence on Benteke wanting to be there, too.

Given that, there's no way Lukaku would come here.

Whilst all valid points, it doesn't quite tally with him spending the last year where he did.  If Chelsea bid, he may be used as a bargaining chip.

And even if he's out of the picture, he's not the only loan striker available.  Dzeko, if Man City can't off load him, might be an option. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 10, 2013, 01:17:34 PM

Guidetti is an interesting shout, but I noticed he wasn't playing last season. Injured or just in City's reserves?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 01:23:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:01:16 PM

On Helenius, I've never seen him play, so just taking the market value as an indication of the consensus on his quality. Obviously lambert thinks he's better than that, but it'd be a massive gamble to rely on him.

But on that basis, Fabio Borini should have been a better player than Benteke. Charlie Adam should have been a better player than Westwood. Bryan Oviedo should have been better than Lowton. They all cost more and play in a similar position.

It was a massive gamble to rely on Benteke last season, but taking a gamble is what we'll be doing again this season, whether that's bringing in another striker or using Helenius earlier than we thought. Fortunately where transfers are concerned Lambert seems to be good at gambling.

One thing we saw last season was that Benteke was more important to us in terms of goals scored and goals made than any other player was to their club in the PL.

It is absolutely crucial that we replace him with as little risk as possible. Punts on the likes of Westwood and Bennett are one thing, but the higher cost of getting this one wrong makes taking a gamble riskier.

This is the way I see it too. Our defence is probably still going to ship quite a few goals next season, as the new additions may be promising but are young and have no experience of playing in such a competitive league. So based on that, we're going to need to keep scoring freely, but if you take Benteke (and Bent) out of the equation, our 'goals for' column is going to look pretty sick. And not in the street sense.

I don't know about Helenius, but I suspect the chances of signing two genuinely international class strikers from complete obscurity and having them score a shedload of goals in their first season for us - two seasons running - are lower than a limbo dancer's dick. We have to get top dollar for Benteke, because if we don't find a really good replacement, we're potentially looking at Relegation Struggle Mk 2 in 2014.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 10, 2013, 01:28:26 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 01:07:04 PM

I do wonder if the club were expecting to lose Benteke after the World Cup anyway, which is what most of us were thinking, with the idea that Helenius would be the longterm replacement.  A small punt and in 12 months time we have a huge cash injection to buy a more established striker, if he doesn't look like he's going to cut the mustard.  And if so, what does that do to our plans if/when Benteke goes 12 months too early?

I think Lambert seems to be building the squad in a very logical and methodical manner, meaning he's unlikely to abandon the Helenius option.  So if we bought someone like Wilfried Bony now, who's 25 and should be around a few years, and we have the issue of Helenius possibly being held back if he's pushing hard for a 1st team place.   

All this says to me 'loan'.

I know there not to everyone's taste, but if we had Lukaku for 12 months we'd be in the exact same position in summer 2014 as we expected to be, which is Benteke gone and a huge bank balance to spend after having seen Helenius for a year.

I think expecting Helenius to be as good next season as Benteke was last season is too much of a risk, and if that doesn't work we'll just be in exactly the same position we are in now.  There must have been some idea at the club that Benteke might decide to move on this summer, and I am sure they have targets in mind.  With the £20m plus we get in for him, I'm sure we could snap up two forwards, to share the goalscoring burden.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:28:51 PM

Paulie is spot on about Lukaku. As much as I would love him here, he ain't going to come.


I do though, think Lambert will find someone else that will perform the role. Maybe with a few less goals and a midfield contributing a few more.

I saw someone suggest Bas Dost? Where is he now? I though he was at Wolfsburg, who are interested in Bent aren't they? Maybe could do something there?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

It is absolutely crucial that we replace him with as little risk as possible. Punts on the likes of Westwood and Bennett are one thing, but the higher cost of getting this one wrong makes taking a gamble riskier.

Benteke at the time was a punt just as much as Westwood and Bennett were.

We certainly need to replace his goals, but it's not as if when we signed him he was some sort of 20-goals-per-season guaranteed success.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:33:54 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

It is absolutely crucial that we replace him with as little risk as possible. Punts on the likes of Westwood and Bennett are one thing, but the higher cost of getting this one wrong makes taking a gamble riskier.

Benteke at the time was a punt just as much as Westwood and Bennett were.

We certainly need to replace his goals, but it's not as if when we signed him he was some sort of 20-goals-per-season guaranteed success.

No, of course not, but we also had Darren Bent at that point, too.

Lambert has worked out he doesn't want him now, but there was no indication of that when we signed Benteke. Wasn't Bent even captain at one point?

Don't get me wrong, I am not writing off Helenius. How could I? I haven't seen him play.

What I am trying (and probably failing) to say is that writing him off would be nuts, but so would relying on him (assuming Bent and Benteke are not here).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 10, 2013, 01:34:22 PM

I dont get the impression that Lambert saw them as "punts"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:34:57 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:15:30 PM

Benteke was a £7m first choice pick for a top class Belgian side, and at the time we were playing two up top with gabby bent and Weimann competing for places.

When he signed for us, Benteke had two caps for Belgium, one in 2010 and one two weeks before he joined.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:37:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:34:57 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:15:30 PM

Benteke was a £7m first choice pick for a top class Belgian side, and at the time we were playing two up top with gabby bent and Weimann competing for places.

When he signed for us, Benteke had two caps for Belgium, one in 2010 and one two weeks before he joined.

Very valid point too. People making out he was a regular in that side are re-writing history. He was a punt so to speak, but I think Lambert will replace him AND Bent when they move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 01:45:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:37:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:34:57 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:15:30 PM

Benteke was a £7m first choice pick for a top class Belgian side, and at the time we were playing two up top with gabby bent and Weimann competing for places.

When he signed for us, Benteke had two caps for Belgium, one in 2010 and one two weeks before he joined.

Very valid point too. People making out he was a regular in that side are re-writing history. He was a punt so to speak, but I think Lambert will replace him AND Bent when they move.

He was certainly a bit of a gamble, but it paid off spectacularly and yet we still only narrowly avoided relegation. Which sort of suggests that if the next gamble doesn't pay off, we could be up shit creek.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:50:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:33:54 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:12:50 PM

It is absolutely crucial that we replace him with as little risk as possible. Punts on the likes of Westwood and Bennett are one thing, but the higher cost of getting this one wrong makes taking a gamble riskier.

Benteke at the time was a punt just as much as Westwood and Bennett were.

We certainly need to replace his goals, but it's not as if when we signed him he was some sort of 20-goals-per-season guaranteed success.

No, of course not, but we also had Darren Bent at that point, too.

Lambert has worked out he doesn't want him now, but there was no indication of that when we signed Benteke. Wasn't Bent even captain at one point?

Don't get me wrong, I am not writing off Helenius. How could I? I haven't seen him play.

What I am trying (and probably failing) to say is that writing him off would be nuts, but so would relying on him (assuming Bent and Benteke are not here).

Last season we did have Bent (and technically still do), but we didn't have Weimann as a genuine goalscorer. Last season Weimann scored more than any one player scored in either of the previous two seasons.

Last season we started with a regularly injured Bent, an out-of-sorts Gabby, an underplayed Weimann, an underwhelming Delfouneso and this deadline day signing from Belgium who hadn't even top-scored for his club that year.

It's not like we were going into that season with an embarrassment of riches.

When Benteke goes, I'm absolutely certain that we'll sign another striker, but I disagree with those saying that there's no option but to forget how sensibly we've done our transfers for the last 12 months and start looking at the likes of Lukaku and Shane Long because doing what we've done up until now will be a massive risk. Also, if Helenius starts the season as first-choice I don't have any problem with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:53:16 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 01:45:55 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:37:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:34:57 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 01:15:30 PM

Benteke was a £7m first choice pick for a top class Belgian side, and at the time we were playing two up top with gabby bent and Weimann competing for places.

When he signed for us, Benteke had two caps for Belgium, one in 2010 and one two weeks before he joined.

Very valid point too. People making out he was a regular in that side are re-writing history. He was a punt so to speak, but I think Lambert will replace him AND Bent when they move.

He was certainly a bit of a gamble, but it paid off spectacularly and yet we still only narrowly avoided relegation. Which sort of suggests that if the next gamble doesn't pay off, we could be up shit creek.

I don't agree at all. I think we are a much better side now, and yeah Benteke is very important but he has helped get us to a point where the rest of the side is much better. Add in another striker of a similar ilk even if not as good and he will score goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

True, but then again, last season, we also nearly got relegated.

I don't have any problem with Helenius playing week in, week out, if he's scoring goals.

The point is, whoever we play there, they're going to have to score a lot of goals, because even with Weimann established and Gabby playing well, I still don't think there are enough goals in that side.

That's a big expectation on Helenius, unfair expectation in my opinion.

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke. Going out and replacing a good striker with another good one is not easy to do, but we at least need to try. There's no rule that we can't be sensible and also look for more proven players, they're not mutually exclusive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 01:55:26 PM

The fact that Lambert was able to find this bloke amongst rocks and convince the board who were in major cost restriction to part with 7m is a testament to how much he believed in him. But he was a gamble and a significant chunk of our budget at the time. That for me is the most disappointing thing. That Benteke could still be scoring goals at Genk now and not sitting on his arse waiting for his next big move. The fact that Lambert found him (I don't mean to say that like he's some native tribe in Brazil that has yet to discover the wheel) gives me plenty of faith there are other players in the world that with proper scouting we will be able to replace him.

Where we will be set back a bit is that you cannot simply replace the chemistry that Gabby and Weimann, and the other players had built up with Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2013, 01:59:33 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke.

At the time I joined this conversation, that is exactly what was being said. And the point that I disagreed with.

Edit: actually, not exactly what was being said. But there have been a fair few 'Lukaku is the only player who can play the same role as Benteke'. Which is just silly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 01:59:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

True, but then again, last season, we also nearly got relegated.

I don't have any problem with Helenius playing week in, week out, if he's scoring goals.

The point is, whoever we play there, they're going to have to score a lot of goals, because even with Weimann established and Gabby playing well, I still don't think there are enough goals in that side.

That's a big expectation on Helenius, unfair expectation in my opinion.

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke. Going out and replacing a good striker with another good one is not easy to do, but we at least need to try. There's no rule that we can't be sensible and also look for more proven players, they're not mutually exclusive.

I don't think we will go near Long or Lukaku (as much as he would suit). I think a number 10 will be signed to replace Bent, and number 9 to replace Benteke. Giving us 2 players with goalscoring expectations. Coupled with Tonev, Gabby, Weimann, and I think Delph this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2013, 01:59:45 PM

 Everything in life is a gamble, but I don’t think there was anything unplanned or researched about what Lambert did last season.

If anything, I think he feels disappointed that we got off to such a slow start. He was part of that reason of course, as he didn’t pick up on our best formation until the final few months where hey presto, we looked worlds apart from what we looked like pre-January.

I think the same applies to the new signings. Don’t expect world beaters (you never know?) but given how meticulously they will have been researched, I expect more of what we saw post-February.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

I think he now knows the system he wants to play which is a big step forward to where we started last year. He has now purchased players this summer that will be able to play in that system as opposed to making do with what he had this time last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 02:07:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

I think he now knows the system he wants to play which is a big step forward to where we started last year. He has now purchased players this summer that will be able to play in that system as opposed to making do with what he had this time last year.

Indeed, I have no idea how helenius will slot in but I'm sure lambert has researched him well and believes he will fit into our style , no question he will look to add another striker too if benteke and bent both go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:11:09 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 02:07:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

I think he now knows the system he wants to play which is a big step forward to where we started last year. He has now purchased players this summer that will be able to play in that system as opposed to making do with what he had this time last year.

Indeed, I have no idea how helenius will slot in but I'm sure lambert has researched him well and believes he will fit into our style , no question he will look to add another striker too if benteke and bent both go.

Indeed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2013, 01:59:45 PM

I think the same applies to the new signings. Don’t expect world beaters (you never know?) but given how meticulously they will have been researched, I expect more of what we saw post-February.

This is the one thing that reassures me in all this. Lambert has a fairly holistic approach and will be looking at the bigger picture, but it's nice that we have a manager who's able to source quality for good prices. Under previous managers, losing Benteke could have been the start of a collapse, but with Lambert, it should hopefully be just a setback.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2013, 02:23:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on July 10, 2013, 02:07:41 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

I think he now knows the system he wants to play which is a big step forward to where we started last year. He has now purchased players this summer that will be able to play in that system as opposed to making do with what he had this time last year.

Indeed, I have no idea how helenius will slot in but I'm sure lambert has researched him well and believes he will fit into our style , no question he will look to add another striker too if benteke and bent both go.

Personally I'd be trying to make our big signing this summer an inside forward (or #10).  I'd do this before Benteke leaves as he will either complement Benteke (if no decent bids are received) or improve our over all attack so that either Weimann/Helenius or Gabby can play centrally.  It covers all the bases basically.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 02:25:00 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2013, 01:59:45 PM

I think the same applies to the new signings. Don’t expect world beaters (you never know?) but given how meticulously they will have been researched, I expect more of what we saw post-February.

This is the one thing that reassures me in all this. Lambert has a fairly holistic approach and will be looking at the bigger picture, but it's nice that we have a manager who's able to source quality for good prices. Under previous managers, losing Benteke could have been the start of a collapse, but with Lambert, it should hopefully be just a setback.

To be honest STM, i do not think this will bother Lambert at all, certainly i do not think he will see it as a set back. Benteke's true colors shown. I think Lambert will just say " See you Jimmy" and move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 02:25:40 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2013, 01:59:45 PM

I think the same applies to the new signings. Don’t expect world beaters (you never know?) but given how meticulously they will have been researched, I expect more of what we saw post-February.

This is the one thing that reassures me in all this. Lambert has a fairly holistic approach and will be looking at the bigger picture, but it's nice that we have a manager who's able to source quality for good prices. Under previous managers, losing Benteke could have been the start of a collapse, but with Lambert, it should hopefully be just a setback.

I am more or less of the same mind.

It's gutting to lose Benteke so quickly, but really, if you have faith in the manager at the time, it becomes much easier to handle. He's not going to work miracles, so he's going to need a decent chunk of that cash to spend, but I still think next season will be anything but boring.

And after the McLeish season, that means a lot, still.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 10, 2013, 02:30:07 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 10, 2013, 02:25:00 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 10, 2013, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 10, 2013, 01:59:45 PM

I think the same applies to the new signings. Don’t expect world beaters (you never know?) but given how meticulously they will have been researched, I expect more of what we saw post-February.

This is the one thing that reassures me in all this. Lambert has a fairly holistic approach and will be looking at the bigger picture, but it's nice that we have a manager who's able to source quality for good prices. Under previous managers, losing Benteke could have been the start of a collapse, but with Lambert, it should hopefully be just a setback.

To be honest STM, i do not think this will bother Lambert at all, certainly i do not think he will see it as a set back. Benteke's true colors shown. I think Lambert will just say " See you Jimmy" and move on.

I think he will see it as a setback but nothing too major , he will have other targets and move on with his plans- the real loser is benteke as i think wherever he goes the pressure will be on him and a big fee hanging over him - another year at villa would have been better for his career.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:30:25 PM

I find Lambert to be very clued in with the supporters. Publicly he'll say this is disappointing. Privately he'll be furious, will have told Benteke and his roach to pack your bags and move on if they don't want to be a part of what he is building. However his anger will be rational and he'll have started the replacement process with his scouting team in anticipation this happening at some point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 02:30:56 PM

Given the value for money Lambert has shown he can get in the market and the high fee we will demand for him, Benteke leaving could arguably improve us as a side overall.  Ideal situation is he stays and Randy gives Lambert those funds anyway, thereby improving us even more, but this may not even amount to being called a 'setback'.

It's all about how we replace him and spend the money.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 03:09:06 PM

The one thing that is always shit is that when club's see that we have just sold a player for some ridiculous amount of money then they ask for a little more which holds up the negotiations. Always better as we have done to buy from a perceived position of poverty, so to speak.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2013, 03:09:22 PM

In terms of replacing Benteke I don't have any names but I do believe that the scouting setup at the club is such that we will have put together dossiers on all of our players and a number of options to replace them.

It's a sensible approach if you have a 'young and hungry' policy; every now and then one of them will either not meet our expectation or will progress much quicker than the rest of the team and look to move on.

I trust the club to already be sounding out the agents and clubs of 4-5 players as potential replacements.

I also think Belhanda and Kiyotake were in the "replacements for n'zogbia" section.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 10, 2013, 03:23:04 PM

Having done a bit of Internet research, I'd hazard a punt that ideye brown or finbogason are the more likely recruits, tho that's a very ill informed view.

Ideye has pace and power; finnbogason height and technique. Neither seem to have both though.

I think we need a centre forward, number 10 or box to box goalscoring midfielder and then see what change is left.

We could be in for a tricky start to the season I feel. Hope not tho

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 10, 2013, 03:29:20 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

I think he now knows the system he wants to play which is a big step forward to where we started last year. He has now purchased players this summer that will be able to play in that system as opposed to making do with what he had this time last year.

Yes,a good reason to be optimistic.Lambert knows better the strengths and weaknesses of his squad which is so important with the transfer window system

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2013, 03:30:55 PM

lots of folk rate Finnbogason very highly, Brown Ideye less so. Neither in Benteke's league but either worth a punt for the right money

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 10, 2013, 03:41:20 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 10, 2013, 03:30:55 PM

lots of folk rate Finnbogason very highly, Brown Ideye less so. Neither in Benteke's league but either worth a punt for the right money

And Benteke wasn't in Bent's league when we signed him 12 months ago, so let's wait and see!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2013, 04:05:40 PM

very true. IMO there's a significant chance that whomever comes in to replace Benteke,  should he go, they will be someone not too many will have heard of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on July 10, 2013, 05:21:05 PM

 If Benteke does go to Chelsk, then i can't see Mourinhio playing Lukaku and Benteke together.He likes a lone striker , with 2 playing off, now if they are to go for Benteke, and Lukaku is direct opposition to Benteke for 1st choice in the Belgium team, then maybe to replace Benteke, and do better is the inducement he needs to join us.

 Lukaku is'nt at Chelskis stage yet, Benteke might be, but if they are interested, then Lukaku plus £10m would do me, or £23m off Spuds plus Sigurdsson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bartons Brigade on July 10, 2013, 05:45:55 PM

In response to barrysleftfoot  I would love to see lukaku + 10mill but personally cant see it happening. Think Lambert will have his own targets and a hard cash deal is what I can foresee. Not so gutted anymore just hopeful the money gained will be re-invested. Im quietly confident that everything will work out just fine. Spend so much time on this forum thought I may as well sign up so Hi to everyone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on July 10, 2013, 05:49:28 PM

Welcome BB, I was convinced transfer request was based on knowing a bid was coming in, 24 hours on and I am wondering if he hash been very rash and jumped the gun. What happens if no 'proper' bids come in? How will we feel if he can't get the move he wants?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2013, 06:17:28 PM

Sigurdsson (sp?) is the only player who appeals from spurs and that'd be on the condition that he's value in the £6m range. So £20m plus him basically. Hmmm still not sure that's enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 10, 2013, 06:30:02 PM

Am sure a bid will come from spurs but a derisory one, probably £15m. We should nt bother to respond at that levek. I think they will be trying to get him for less than 20. Lerner needs to be strong

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 10, 2013, 06:30:47 PM

Has Kismets or whatever the greedy bastards name is not ruled out Chelsea??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 10, 2013, 06:49:44 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 10, 2013, 06:30:02 PM

Am sure a bid will come from spurs but a derisory one, probably £15m. We should nt bother to respond at that levek. I think they will be trying to get him for less than 20. Lerner needs to be strong

I dont think it is a case of Lerner having to be strong. The simple fact is that the club do not want to sell him.
That being the case, I can only see Randy and Paul Faulkner vollying into touch any bids that are clearly taking the piss (which I think will happen from the likes of spurs and Liverpool).

I would be very suprised if Benteke went for less than 25 million in cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 06:56:06 PM

I would take 20mill plus Guidetti from man city

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tricky dicky on July 10, 2013, 07:00:03 PM

Villa should accept nothing less than £35 million plus add ons giving a profit of around 400% then re-invest in the team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 10, 2013, 08:09:54 PM

Quote from: tricky dicky on July 10, 2013, 07:00:03 PM

Villa should accept nothing less than £35 million plus add ons giving a profit of around 400% then re-invest in the team

I like your business style.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 10, 2013, 08:10:29 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 06:56:06 PM

I would take 20mill plus Guidetti from man city

good deal

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2013, 08:21:14 PM

Man City are signing Jovetic, don't think they're in the running for Bentake.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on July 10, 2013, 08:24:12 PM

What's Kevin Phillips up to?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 08:48:47 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 10, 2013, 08:21:14 PM

Man City are signing Jovetic, don't think they're in the running for Bentake.

Tevez has just left and they haven't replaced Balotelli yet, don't be surprised if they sign 2 strikers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 10, 2013, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 10, 2013, 08:10:29 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 06:56:06 PM

I would take 20mill plus Guidetti from man city

good deal

Hardly. What has he been doing since the 2011/12 season? I like him but we should just buy him outright for between £4/6m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 10, 2013, 09:05:17 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 10, 2013, 08:59:28 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 10, 2013, 08:10:29 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 06:56:06 PM

I would take 20mill plus Guidetti from man city

good deal

Hardly. What has he been doing since the 2011/12 season? I like him but we should just buy him outright for between £4/6m

he was out of last season with a virus...........well we are buying him arnt we £20m cash and he is worth £6m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 10, 2013, 09:19:39 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 10, 2013, 08:10:29 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 10, 2013, 06:56:06 PM

I would take 20mill plus Guidetti from man city

good deal

seems a bit injury prone thou

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Redsamurai on July 10, 2013, 09:20:39 PM

Let's start a rumour that we trading Trekkers for Rooney lol

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IrishCockney on July 10, 2013, 09:29:37 PM

With Helenius scoring on his debut, who is this Unchristian Bentaker you speak of??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 10, 2013, 09:36:09 PM

Quote from: IrishCockney on July 10, 2013, 09:29:37 PM

With Helenius scoring on his debut, who is this Unchristian Bentaker you speak of??

The Cockneys are trying to drive the price down already.
Nice try.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 10, 2013, 10:21:52 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 10, 2013, 09:36:09 PM

Quote from: IrishCockney on July 10, 2013, 09:29:37 PM

With Helenius scoring on his debut, who is this Unchristian Bentaker you speak of??

The Cockneys are trying to drive the price down already.
Nice try.

I wouldn't be trusting any of those Irish Cocker Knees any further than I could throw them.
No better than Jackeen thimble riggers and gombeen men.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on July 10, 2013, 10:24:54 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Yeah, no more S Ireland's please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 10, 2013, 10:37:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

This. 100%

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 10, 2013, 10:48:00 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 10, 2013, 10:37:11 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

This. 100%

I would suggest that if the attempt to part-exchange is made, PL immediately adds the cost of paying, housing and training/sustaining/physiotheraphically supporting said 'exchange' player (he will have a dossier) for 3 years onto the current 'price' for CB, looks hurt, and asks them if they are absolutely sure that they want to commit to that level of surcharge on the deal.

It's got to add another £15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Levy would probably try to offer us Simon Dawkins back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 10, 2013, 10:54:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Levy would probably try to offer us Simon Dawkins back.

It would be an emotional return for The Legend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 10, 2013, 10:56:21 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 10, 2013, 10:54:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Levy would probably try to offer us Simon Dawkins back.

It would be an emotional return for The Legend.

You spelt leg end wrong ;O)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2013, 12:18:05 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Levy would probably try to offer us Simon Dawkins back.

Like his older brother Gustavo Fring, they are business men par excellence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 11, 2013, 12:24:27 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 11, 2013, 12:18:05 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 10:50:24 PM

Quote from: aftab235 on July 10, 2013, 09:26:40 PM

Absolutely no part exchange with any of the clubs. Any player that comes our way will be one on too high wages and two will see it as a big come down and treat us like crap. So if he is sold straight cash please.

Levy would probably try to offer us Simon Dawkins back.

Like his older brother Gustavo Fring, they are business men par excellence.

May take more than a bomb under a wheelchair to keep him away from Benteke though!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on July 11, 2013, 12:31:21 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2013, 06:17:28 PM

Sigurdsson (sp?) is the only player who appeals from spurs and that'd be on the condition that he's value in the £6m range. So £20m plus him basically. Hmmm still not sure that's enough.

Ooh, I'd like that deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:32:55 AM

I would take about 17 and Sigurdsson in fairness. He is a quality, quality player and scores goals from midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on July 11, 2013, 12:39:39 AM

also I'd say Finnbogason is my #1 choice to replace Benteke. He looks quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2013, 01:18:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

True, but then again, last season, we also nearly got relegated.

I don't have any problem with Helenius playing week in, week out, if he's scoring goals.

The point is, whoever we play there, they're going to have to score a lot of goals, because even with Weimann established and Gabby playing well, I still don't think there are enough goals in that side.

That's a big expectation on Helenius, unfair expectation in my opinion.

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke. Going out and replacing a good striker with another good one is not easy to do, but we at least need to try. There's no rule that we can't be sensible and also look for more proven players, they're not mutually exclusive.

Benteke got 19 goals last season and whereas I agree that it would be difficult to find another striker capable of such a return in  our price range, we might ease that problem by getting a 10 goal a season attacking midfielder.  Add that kind of player with a 10-15 goal a season striker and we will make up for the goals Benteke scored.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 11, 2013, 01:51:44 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 11, 2013, 01:18:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

True, but then again, last season, we also nearly got relegated.

I don't have any problem with Helenius playing week in, week out, if he's scoring goals.

The point is, whoever we play there, they're going to have to score a lot of goals, because even with Weimann established and Gabby playing well, I still don't think there are enough goals in that side.

That's a big expectation on Helenius, unfair expectation in my opinion.

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke. Going out and replacing a good striker with another good one is not easy to do, but we at least need to try. There's no rule that we can't be sensible and also look for more proven players, they're not mutually exclusive.

Benteke got 19 goals last season and whereas I agree that it would be difficult to find another striker capable of such a return in  our price range, we might ease that problem by getting a 10 goal a season attacking midfielder.  Add that kind of player with a 10-15 goal a season striker and we will make up for the goals Benteke scored.   

If we'd had a tighter defence last season we wouldn't have needed our strikers to score so many goals and even with fewer goals we'd almost certainly have finished with a good deal more points than we did.

It may not be so sexy, but I think it's just as important that Lambert has at least partly gone some way to rectifying this already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 11, 2013, 02:36:29 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:32:55 AM

I would take about 17 and Sigurdsson in fairness. He is a quality, quality player and scores goals from midfield.

Yeah lots, 3 last season wasn't it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 11, 2013, 02:49:10 AM

Quote from: Summers on July 11, 2013, 12:39:39 AM

also I'd say Finnbogason is my #1 choice to replace Benteke. He looks quality.

Good shout sell Judas and get him in for £6m, sorted! Then buy Guidetti for £5/6m and a attacking midfielder £9m and we'll still have change left. Happy days

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on July 11, 2013, 08:06:54 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on July 11, 2013, 01:18:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2013, 01:55:09 PM

True, but then again, last season, we also nearly got relegated.

I don't have any problem with Helenius playing week in, week out, if he's scoring goals.

The point is, whoever we play there, they're going to have to score a lot of goals, because even with Weimann established and Gabby playing well, I still don't think there are enough goals in that side.

That's a big expectation on Helenius, unfair expectation in my opinion.

I also take your point re Lukaku and Shane Long, but it's not as if they're the only options if we're looking for a decent replacement for Benteke. Going out and replacing a good striker with another good one is not easy to do, but we at least need to try. There's no rule that we can't be sensible and also look for more proven players, they're not mutually exclusive.

Benteke got 19 goals last season and whereas I agree that it would be difficult to find another striker capable of such a return in  our price range, we might ease that problem by getting a 10 goal a season attacking midfielder.  Add that kind of player with a 10-15 goal a season striker and we will make up for the goals Benteke scored.   

Not to mention all his assists.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2013, 08:09:48 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:32:55 AM

I would take about 17 and Sigurdsson in fairness. He is a quality, quality player and scores goals from midfield.

I suppose it depends on how much Villa value Beneteke and how much they think Sigurdsson is worth. That deal you suggested would make him worth £8m which sounds a lot. Not a bad player though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 11, 2013, 08:11:51 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2013, 08:09:48 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:32:55 AM

I would take about 17 and Sigurdsson in fairness. He is a quality, quality player and scores goals from midfield.

I suppose it depends on how much Villa value Beneteke and how much they think Sigurdsson is worth. That deal you suggested would make him worth £8m which sounds a lot. Not a bad player though.

Morning clamps, i must admit i wouldn't really fancy a part ex with spurs -  much prefer the full cash .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2013, 08:33:04 AM

If for arguments sake we get £30 million for him, then I don’t see us re-investing that in one player.

I would imagine we’re looking at spending no more than half of that, say on a number 10 and a replacement for Benteke.

The rest will be used to off-set the previous 6 signings or potentially give Lambert an extra few million for January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2013, 08:38:22 AM

I don't think Sigurdsson would fit into our wage structure at this point. He moved to Spurs for money in part. I think he's quite a good player. He didn't score as many at Spurs because he wasn't given as much attacking freedom as previous clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 11, 2013, 08:39:18 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 11, 2013, 08:33:04 AM

If for arguments sake we get £30 million for him, then I don’t see us re-investing that in one player.

I would imagine we’re looking at spending no more than half of that, say on a number 10 and a replacement for Benteke.

The rest will be used to off-set the previous 6 signings or potentially give Lambert an extra few million for January.

I'd hope there would be at least £16m of the fee given to lambert if not more.
A striker and attacking midfielder would probably be the targets.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2013, 08:45:03 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 11, 2013, 08:39:18 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 11, 2013, 08:33:04 AM

If for arguments sake we get £30 million for him, then I don’t see us re-investing that in one player.

I would imagine we’re looking at spending no more than half of that, say on a number 10 and a replacement for Benteke.

The rest will be used to off-set the previous 6 signings or potentially give Lambert an extra few million for January.

I'd hope there would be at least £16m of the fee given to lambert if not more.
A striker and attacking midfielder would probably be the targets.

You'd hope we'd get a couple of Benteke-esque signings in. A striker and midfielder. I guess the beauty with Lambert too, is that if he's given a figure in terms of budget, he doesn't feel obligated to reach, or even slightly surpass that figure like certain ex-managers. If he sees a 5 million pound player he thinks is better than one at 10 mill he'll make the sensible choice.
If we get the Benteke cash soon, then perhaps we'll meet the valuation on that Japanese fella. He looks good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2013, 08:48:03 AM

I think the kind of player Lambert is after wouldn't command a fee of any more than £8 or £9 million to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2013, 09:03:42 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2013, 08:45:03 AM

If we get the Benteke cash soon, then perhaps we'll meet the valuation on that Japanese fella. He looks good.

My hunch is that we could afford £10m (?) that it would cost to secure the Japanese fella anyway.  He plays in a different position so the two transfers do not need to be linked.  Such a signing may also see Benteke less inclined to leave too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 11, 2013, 09:12:11 AM

We may be able to afford a £10m fee already, but it seems pretty clear we need to free up some wages to make further signings. That seems more important than actual one off transfer fees received for the likes of Ireland and bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2013, 09:13:53 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 11, 2013, 09:12:11 AM

We may be able to afford a £10m fee already, but it seems pretty clear we need to free up some wages to make further signings. That seems more important than actual one off transfer fees received for the likes of Ireland and bent.

Good point.  Shame as we could do with a new boost.  It's been a few weeks since a signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2013, 09:55:39 AM

Talkshite this morning suggesting that we are to be offered the choice of 5 players + cash for Benteke, one of those being Scott Parker!!!

Do these London biased twats not get what the project is at VP?

They also claim that PL has stated hard cash in a single payment or nothing - fair play i say to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 11, 2013, 09:57:38 AM

Townsend look decent enough at times in a terrible QPR side last year. I wouldn't be too distraught if he was part of the deal, but only as a kind of sweetener to finalise things. I'd still want in or around 25 mill with Townsend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 11, 2013, 09:59:11 AM

Quote from: eastie on July 11, 2013, 08:11:51 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2013, 08:09:48 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:32:55 AM

I would take about 17 and Sigurdsson in fairness. He is a quality, quality player and scores goals from midfield.

I suppose it depends on how much Villa value Beneteke and how much they think Sigurdsson is worth. That deal you suggested would make him worth £8m which sounds a lot. Not a bad player though.

Morning clamps, i must admit i wouldn't really fancy a part ex with spurs -  much prefer the full cash .

eastie,
you don't have to reply to every single post of clampy's, give the poor bloke a rest for fucks sake

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on July 11, 2013, 10:07:07 AM

Bit uncalled for that John , as i said I would prefer the full cash and not a part ex deal , wasnt rude or impolite  in any way .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 11, 2013, 10:18:01 AM

Just cash, nothing else from Spurs.  We only want players that fit lamberts plan, and there is nothing good enough at Shite Hart Lane for us.  They want to sign Benteke before Bale goes, because prices for players to Spurs will go up when they know how much money they have received from Monkey boy.  The pressure is all on Spurs.

Parker is a poor mans Westwood

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 11, 2013, 10:22:38 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2013, 09:55:39 AM

Talkshite this morning suggesting that we are to be offered the choice of 5 players + cash for Benteke, one of those being Scott Parker!!!

The club's response should be.. ''we have tried but can’t seem to come up with a response that reflects terribly well on us.”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 11, 2013, 10:24:39 AM

Spartak have put McGeady up for sale but I don't think McCarthy and Juninho are available.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 11, 2013, 10:50:31 AM

£30 million cash Spurs  OR GO AWAY !!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 11, 2013, 10:57:24 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 11, 2013, 10:50:31 AM

£30 million cash Spurs  OR GO AWAY !!!!!!

Or Gareth Bale, straight up swap

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses, expect generous terms for our man, offer craap money and poor players, 2nd`rate club Spurs, cheapskate mob. Hope he goes to Chelski.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2013, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses,

They didn't insist on anything. They are the rules of loan players so we had no choice. The club should never ever loan players. It's small time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 11, 2013, 11:20:44 AM

I'd go further and ban the loan of players to clubs in the same league, with the possible exception of emergency loans for goalkeepers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2013, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses,

They didn't insist on anything. They are the rules of loan players so we had no choice. The club should never ever loan players. It's small time.

Nonsense.  The loan system is fine and can be very important if used properly.  An average midfielder who's been injured more than he's played for the previous 2-3 seasons does not serve as an example of using the system properly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 11, 2013, 11:22:27 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on July 11, 2013, 10:24:39 AM

Spartak have put McGeady up for sale but I don't think McCarthy and Juninho are available.

Can't believe we aren't signing McCarthy - got the nameon the shirt and everything

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 11, 2013, 11:32:23 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2013, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses,

They didn't insist on anything. They are the rules of loan players so we had no choice. The club should never ever loan players. It's small time.

They are only the rules if the club that owns the player, insists on that. There can be conditions that state the player returns if injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2013, 11:47:48 AM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 11, 2013, 11:32:23 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2013, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses,

They didn't insist on anything. They are the rules of loan players so we had no choice. The club should never ever loan players. It's small time.

They are only the rules if the club that owns the player, insists on that. There can be conditions that state the player returns if injured.

They're probably still laughing their bollocks off at fobbing Jermaine Jenas on us. In all honesty, we got what we deserved with that one. We should have gone the whole hog and got Kieron Dyer too. That said, because of the Jenas practical joke, we have to tack on 5 million to our asking price selling to those wankers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2013, 12:12:23 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2013, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: charlie on July 11, 2013, 11:02:43 AM

Spurs..ahh, lend us an injured player, insist we pay season wages even though he is out crocked, insist we pay medical expenses,

They didn't insist on anything. They are the rules of loan players so we had no choice. The club should never ever loan players. It's small time.

Nonsense.  The loan system is fine and can be very important if used properly.  An average midfielder who's been injured more than he's played for the previous 2-3 seasons does not serve as an example of using the system properly.

I don't think we use the loan system well enough, both sending players out and also who we bring in.  For where we are (skint-ish and lower mid-table club) we should be looking to add a player like everton have each season.  This would allow us to send out our equivalent to a Championship club. 

We have to realise where we are in the football foodchain and approach transfers and loans accordingly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/10/everton-sign-gerard-deulofeu-barcelona

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 11, 2013, 12:15:45 PM

At the risk of getting shot down, one of the players  talked of being offered up for Benteke is Scott Parker.  That's not such a bad option is it?  Some experience in midefield?  Calm head now Petrov has gone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 11, 2013, 12:19:35 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 11, 2013, 12:15:45 PM

At the risk of getting shot down, one of the players  talked of being offered up for Benteke is Scott Parker.  That's not such a bad option is it?  Some experience in midefield?  Calm head now Petrov has gone?

Parker is a player whose game was based on athletism, hard work and guts rather than any particular skill or vision (there's nothing wrong with that) so I think it'd be risky - well a waste of time - getting him when his body is likely to start failing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 12:19:40 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 11, 2013, 12:15:45 PM

At the risk of getting shot down, one of the players mentioned being talked of offered up for Benteke is Scott Parker.  That's not such a bad option is it?  Some experience in midefield?  Calm head now Petrov has gone?

I think Parker's done really. He would have been a decent option maybe two season's ago, but why take somebody elses cast off? I think the club will dictate the sale terms as straight cash and I'm not entirely convinced it is £25m either. I reckon it's more because didn't Lambert once say that a bid of that size only gets you into the conversation?

Edit: this is the article from back in April

Benteke worth more than £25m (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22109498)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 11, 2013, 12:19:41 PM

Parker is injury prone (jenas anyone), and too slow, and wages too high.  I think we have his position covered with Sylla and Westwood.  Not for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 11, 2013, 12:21:08 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 11, 2013, 12:15:45 PM

At the risk of getting shot down, one of the players  talked of being offered up for Benteke is Scott Parker.  That's not such a bad option is it?  Some experience in midefield?  Calm head now Petrov has gone?

As someone else said, it involves him taking a three point turn these days to change direction.
No thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2013, 12:23:38 PM

Parker signed for QPR didn't he?

EDIT- Not yet. But in all honesty, that's probably a good move for him at his age. His legs aren't up to it for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 12:24:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2013, 12:23:38 PM

Parker signed for QPR didn't he?

No, I'm sure Harry would like him though. He'd be great at that level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 12:35:38 PM

The only player Spurs might thrown in as a make-weight for Benteke who I'd consider would be Andros Townsend, and even then, I'd want to know a bit more about his gambling problems before taking him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2013, 12:39:27 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 12:35:38 PM

The only player Spurs might thrown in as a make-weight for Benteke who I'd consider would be Andros Townsend, and even then, I'd want to know a bit more about his gambling problems before taking him.

I predict he had 6 good months and that's it, just look at his career so far. He's been out on loan to something like 10 clubs and not made an impact anywhere else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2013, 12:43:41 PM

Before signing Luna, I wouldn't have bulked at either Danny Rose or Kyle Naughton, but quite frankly they can go and fuck themselves now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2013, 12:43:54 PM

Naughton might be a useful signing at right back cover.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 11, 2013, 01:19:37 PM

Naughton would be first choice at a lot of PL clubs, so I think that would be a non-starter. I personally don't think Lambert would be interested in any sort of swap. Neither would I.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 01:20:39 PM

Danny Rose is a very promising player.

If Spurs were to offer us any of their dross, it'd be players they want to see the back of, not promising young ones.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 11, 2013, 01:34:42 PM

Shay given to Doncaster being mooted on twitter

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2013, 01:35:25 PM

My God, the last few pages on here are fucking depressing.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 01:46:17 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 11, 2013, 01:35:25 PM

My God, the last few pages on here are fucking depressing.
 

Especially if you're Shay Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 11, 2013, 01:51:00 PM

I am willing to bet that Lambert doesnt go with a makeweight.  He doesnt sign players from other premierleague clubs, so he certainly wont want one that is now feeling all sad because he got dumped for a player going the other way, so i dont find the thread depressing as it aint happening.  Im not an ITK, im just basing on the facts that lambert has shown here and at norwich

However, as Pauliewalnuts wrote, id be depressed if i was Given, that comment made me really laugh

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 11, 2013, 01:54:10 PM

Unless Lambert had targeted a specific Tottingham player before all this, any part exchange deal would involve us basically doing a favour to the cockney twats.

I really don't want to hear anything about swaps, and god forbid loans. We're not fooking Watford.

Spurs can go and get stretched.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2013, 01:59:41 PM

Tottenham do a good impression of being a big club, but all this mucking around with player swaps and petty staged offers cannot mask the fact that they're only a poor March away from being as good as the mid-table Championship side.

Lets see how they get on when Bale is playing for a more famous team in white.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 01:59:54 PM

To be honest - the words Spurs and dross do seem to hang well together - no offence intended of course - given that they are a big club - and we can only dream of having an honours list like theirs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 11, 2013, 02:10:26 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 01:59:54 PM

To be honest - the words Spurs and dross do seem to hang well together - no offence intended of course - given that they are a big club - and we can only dream of having an honours list like theirs.

I assume that is sarcasm

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 11, 2013, 02:34:30 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 11, 2013, 01:59:41 PM

Tottenham do a good impression of being a big club, but all this mucking around with player swaps and petty staged offers cannot mask the fact that they're only a poor March away from being as good as the mid-table Championship side.

Lets see how they get on when Bale is playing for a more famous team in white.

Leeds?  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 02:34:49 PM

It's all got a bit tired and emotional over on the Christian Benteke thread - and this one has turned into a which Tottingam reject would you prefer poll - so let's get some speculation going - not a rumour - a suggestion - seen the name mentioned by others a few times

Let's fantasise about - Alfreð Finnbogason - who is an Icelandic footballer who plays as a forward for SC Heerenveen.

Some more

Yes please Mr Lambert

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 11, 2013, 02:49:26 PM

It would be nice to have someone in the lineup called Alf.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 02:54:55 PM

Looks a good poacher, the worry would be whether he has the all round game to make it in a better league, poachers from Holland don't do well in the premier league generally.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:08:01 PM

Quote from: E I Adio on July 11, 2013, 02:49:26 PM

It would be nice to have someone in the lineup called Alf.

We could sing - 'What's it all about ...?'  When he scores another hat trick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 11, 2013, 03:08:01 PM

I see your Van Persie and raise you Kezman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 03:11:48 PM

I remember Kezman playing for Chelsea against us at Villa Park, and though he didn't score (I don't think), I thought he was brilliant, a constant thorn in our side, making intelligent runs, always finding space.

Then he went on to do precisely nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:15:37 PM

Fold.

We could go for this bloke - apparently TSM put a bid in but never heard back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 03:16:44 PM

^^^ edited your post, you'd stuck it in image rather than youtube tags.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 03:42:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 03:11:48 PM

I remember Kezman playing for Chelsea against us at Villa Park, and though he didn't score (I don't think), I thought he was brilliant, a constant thorn in our side, making intelligent runs, always finding space.

Then he went on to do precisely nothing.

Funny how over the years we have been a wonderful team to play against for those needing a bit of boost in confidence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2013, 04:28:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 03:42:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2013, 03:11:48 PM

I remember Kezman playing for Chelsea against us at Villa Park, and though he didn't score (I don't think), I thought he was brilliant, a constant thorn in our side, making intelligent runs, always finding space.

Then he went on to do precisely nothing.

Funny how over the years we have been a wonderful team to play against for those needing a bit of boost in confidence.

That's true. Whenever we're playing a team and someone mentions that some opposition forward hasn't scored for ages I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

Amazingly though, when a bloke has been scoring goals with the frequency of Barry Austin visiting a fast food establishment I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2013, 04:37:36 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2013, 04:28:19 PM

Amazingly though, when a bloke has been scoring goals with the frequency of Barry Austin visiting a fast food establishment I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

When a striker hasn't scored in decades I just KNOW he will score against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 11, 2013, 04:52:19 PM

When a player happens to make his debut against us, I just KNOW everybody will be raving about him after the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2013, 05:42:22 PM

Young defender Josh Webb will jet out to join the Villa squad in Germany as the claret and blues continue to monitor new signing Jores Okore’s injury.

Okore limped off in the closing stages of last night’s 1-1 draw against SV Rodinghausen after appearing to pull up with a hamstring problem.

First impressions were that the injury was not too serious and that the Danish international defender was withdrawn as a precautionary measure.

Webb will link up with Paul Lambert’s first team squad today at their training base near Marienfeld after confirming his call-up on Twitter.

The Stourbridge-born defender, who can play at full-back and centre-half, tweeted: “On my way to the Airport to meet up with the first team in Germany!”

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2013, 05:45:46 PM

I doubt he said anything that coherent if he's from Stourbridge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on July 11, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 12:24:59 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2013, 12:23:38 PM

Parker signed for QPR didn't he?

No, I'm sure Harry would like him though. He'd be great at that level.

He's currently the focus of rival bids from QPR and the Hammers, according to The Times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2013, 06:54:08 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 11, 2013, 04:37:36 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2013, 04:28:19 PM

Amazingly though, when a bloke has been scoring goals with the frequency of Barry Austin visiting a fast food establishment I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

When a striker hasn't scored in decades I just KNOW he will score against us.

Has Gary Neville scored against us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 11, 2013, 06:59:59 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 11, 2013, 06:54:08 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 11, 2013, 04:37:36 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2013, 04:28:19 PM

Amazingly though, when a bloke has been scoring goals with the frequency of Barry Austin visiting a fast food establishment I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

When a striker hasn't scored in decades I just KNOW he will score against us.

Has Gary Neville scored against us?

I believe he has. I seem to recall when I was at uni (so 1999-2002) there was an inevitable loss to Man Yoo and Neville scored, which was a particular humiliation when taking the gyp off my Yorkshire-raised Man Yoo fan housemate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2013, 07:51:45 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 11, 2013, 06:59:59 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 11, 2013, 06:54:08 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 11, 2013, 04:37:36 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2013, 04:28:19 PM

Amazingly though, when a bloke has been scoring goals with the frequency of Barry Austin visiting a fast food establishment I always think "bollocks. I bet the bastard scores against us."

When a striker hasn't scored in decades I just KNOW he will score against us.

Has Gary Neville scored against us?

I believe he has. I seem to recall when I was at uni (so 1999-2002) there was an inevitable loss to Man Yoo and Neville scored, which was a particular humiliation when taking the gyp off my Yorkshire-raised Man Yoo fan housemate.

incredible, Ashley cole has as well hasn't he?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 11, 2013, 07:54:59 PM

Phil Bardsley never scored a goal in his career before he crashed a thunderbolt in against us a few years back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 11, 2013, 08:11:02 PM

Cole scored one when Arsenal were 3 up in ten minutes at Villa Park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...

Van Persie and Bergkamp - neither can be called a goal poacher so not relevent.
Ruud Gullit wasn't even a striker
Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England
Van Basten never played in england
Van Nistelrooy accounts for the inclusion of the 'generally' at the end and...
Kluivert scored 6 in a season and kinda sums up my point.

You can add Kezman and Alves as big failures.

Suarez I'll give you as another vote in favour of me stating 'generally' but despite his quality he's such a nasty little shitbag that I tend to forget he can actually play a bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 11, 2013, 10:21:12 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

I'm not sure calling van Basten and Bergkamp poachers really does justice to their abilities.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 11, 2013, 10:38:42 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2013, 05:42:22 PM

Young defender Josh Webb will jet out to join the Villa squad in Germany as the claret and blues continue to monitor new signing Jores Okore’s injury.

Okore limped off in the closing stages of last night’s 1-1 draw against SV Rodinghausen after appearing to pull up with a hamstring problem.

First impressions were that the injury was not too serious and that the Danish international defender was withdrawn as a precautionary measure.

Webb will link up with Paul Lambert’s first team squad today at their training base near Marienfeld after confirming his call-up on Twitter.

The Stourbridge-born defender, who can play at full-back and centre-half, tweeted: “On my way to the Airport to meet up with the first team in Germany!”

I've never heard of him? Is that how thin our defensive cover is?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on July 11, 2013, 11:14:53 PM

Dempsey has been made available by Spurs.

If rumours are to be believed, Lambo was interested in him before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 11, 2013, 11:16:31 PM

"eastie starts own web site. Drummond and Toronto barred after first post." The Sun. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2013, 11:27:34 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 11, 2013, 10:21:12 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

I'm not sure calling van Basten and Bergkamp poachers really does justice to their abilities.

I'm also not quite sure how Dennis Bergkamp wasn't a patch on Patrick Kluivert????

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2013, 11:27:42 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 11, 2013, 11:16:31 PM

"eastie starts own web site. Drummond and Toronto barred after first post." The Sun. ;)

I'll be demanding that I get banned long before I ever approach the site let alone post on it.

Hey, you need people to believe that your are a legit ITK, so eastie's a good mate to have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Drummond on July 11, 2013, 11:29:44 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 11, 2013, 11:16:31 PM

"eastie starts own web site. Drummond and Toronto barred after first post." The Sun. ;)

Just as well I wouldn't read that disgraceful rag then.

As for eastie posts, I suggest you take it to PM rather than getting one of us banned....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2013, 02:02:56 AM

Quote from: Summers on July 11, 2013, 11:14:53 PM

Dempsey has been made available by Spurs.

If rumours are to be believed, Lambo was interested in him before.

A coincidence maybe?  Here's a scenario - Spurs want Benteke but can't afford the asking price.  Spurs try to fob us off with their unwanted players as part of the deal, but we're not interested.  Spurs start to get desperate and try to offer us a player they don't really want rid of, but know that we have been interested in before.

He is an attacking midfielder who is capable of scoring 10 goals and more a season, but he turned us down pretty flatly before so I'm not sure it is a goer really. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 02:15:10 AM

Dempsey turned us down after we had agreed a price with Fulham because his heart was set on a move to Liverpool. I'm quite sure Mr Lambert will remember how hungry Dempsey was to join pur project 12 months ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 12, 2013, 03:41:39 AM

Dempsey is 31,next birthday, so I suggest we don't value him anymore than £2m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Singapore Villa on July 12, 2013, 03:56:32 AM

No to Dempsey.  Not interested.  Spurs need to give us straight cash for CB and we don't want any of their castoffs....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 07:50:38 AM

Quote from: Singapore Villa on July 12, 2013, 03:56:32 AM

No to Dempsey.  Not interested.  Spurs need to give us straight cash for CB and we don't want any of their castoffs....

i trust villa to get situation right and any team that want to buy big Ben have to offer the big bucks and none of this make weight deals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 12, 2013, 08:37:59 AM

According to SSN Lambert wants Demba Ba if Benteke goes. It's in the transfer column and not from Bodymoor. :P

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 12, 2013, 08:45:20 AM

Demba Ba has done well over here apart from Chelsea where he looks out of place. Hasnt he got long standing knee trouble though or something like that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2013, 08:47:16 AM

I've said this before but the trouble with Ba is that if he had a really good season he'd want to move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2013, 08:53:14 AM

I think SSN are barking up the wrong tree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...

Van Persie and Bergkamp - neither can be called a goal poacher so not relevent.
Ruud Gullit wasn't even a striker
Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England
Van Basten never played in england
Van Nistelrooy accounts for the inclusion of the 'generally' at the end and...
Kluivert scored 6 in a season and kinda sums up my point.

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 12, 2013, 09:06:30 AM

Couple of suggestions today that we're in for Sam Bryam, young Leeds RB

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 09:10:23 AM

Demba Ba is a striker in the mould of Darren Bent, good goal scorer but nothing else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 12, 2013, 09:35:25 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 09:10:23 AM

Demba Ba is a striker in the mould of Darren Bent, good goal scorer but nothing else.

And for me that's a recommendation.Jimmy Greaves and Lineker ? Not saying that Ba or Bent are in their class but a good goalscorer is a valuable commodity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 09:38:22 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on July 12, 2013, 09:35:25 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 09:10:23 AM

Demba Ba is a striker in the mould of Darren Bent, good goal scorer but nothing else.

And for me that's a recommendation.Jimmy Greaves and Lineker ? Not saying that Ba or Bent are in their class but a good goalscorer is a valuable commodity.

Yes but we have one in Bent and we don't want him, so I can't see Lambert wanting to sell him and then bring in a player who is very similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: berneboy on July 12, 2013, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...


Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Greater than Brian on a good day?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 12, 2013, 10:08:43 AM

A friend living in Japan emailed me to say we are buying the Nuremburg player.

Looks like that woman on twitter did have a contact.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 10:10:18 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 12, 2013, 10:08:43 AM

A friend living in Japan emailed me to say we are buying the Nuremburg player.

Looks like that woman on twitter did have a contact.

No she didn't. She read somewhere that we were after a player who hasn't signed yet and went off on one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2013, 10:10:53 AM

Quote from: Merv on July 12, 2013, 09:06:30 AM

Couple of suggestions today that we're in for Sam Bryam, young Leeds RB

highly rated

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 12, 2013, 10:13:54 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 10:10:18 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 12, 2013, 10:08:43 AM

A friend living in Japan emailed me to say we are buying the Nuremburg player.

Looks like that woman on twitter did have a contact.

No she didn't. She read somewhere that we were after a player who hasn't signed yet and went off on one.

I agree that she went off on one, but don't know her so have no idea if she has a contact or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 10:15:28 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 12, 2013, 10:13:54 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 10:10:18 AM

Quote from: Malandro on July 12, 2013, 10:08:43 AM

A friend living in Japan emailed me to say we are buying the Nuremburg player.

Looks like that woman on twitter did have a contact.

No she didn't. She read somewhere that we were after a player who hasn't signed yet and went off on one.

I agree that she went off on one, but don't know her so have no idea if she has a contact or not.

Anyone who did have a contact and behaved like she did wouldn't have a contact for much longer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 10:20:22 AM

I hope we are buying him, but it's hardly concrete yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 12, 2013, 10:23:51 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2013, 10:20:22 AM

I hope we are buying him, but it's hardly concrete yet.

I've not seen him play at all, although he has impressive stats in the Bundesliga

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2013, 10:25:33 AM

It could just be that the news has taken a week to filter round into the Japanese sports pages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2013, 10:26:12 AM

a few Villa shirts sales in Japan as well I suppose .  If we did buy him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2013, 11:08:13 AM

I wouldn't mind Ba under the right circumstances. If Chelsea continued a percentage of his wages, which I'd guess they'd only do if Benteke went to them, it might be worth it. Otherwise maybe they could pay Ba off and he'd consider a wage drop.
As for the Bent comparison, they do have similarities but Ba's touch and body strength is better. He holds it up more effectively. He's probably a little quicker at the minute too. I think Bent's lost a couple of yards of pace in the last 18 months.

I don't think Lambert would be considering Ba to be honest though, but he is proven at this level. He's gone to Chelsea and been a bit part player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 11:15:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 12, 2013, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...


Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Greater than Brian on a good day?

I would have to say yes - just because Cruyff would go back and help out in defence when he got bored.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 12, 2013, 12:11:31 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 12, 2013, 09:06:30 AM

Couple of suggestions today that we're in for Sam Bryam, young Leeds RB

i know a few Leeds fans and they're all raving about this kid. Would be excellent back up to Lowton, but i think Leeds rate him highly and might cost a fair few quid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 12, 2013, 12:19:46 PM

I think we might well have a fair few quid shortly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 11:15:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 12, 2013, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...


Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Greater than Brian on a good day?

I would have to say yes - just because Cruyff would go back and help out in defence when he got bored.

Smoking a fag as he did so.

The best side I ever saw at Villa Park was Juventus in 1983. By an absolute mile, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2013, 12:31:33 PM

Quote from: Miguelito on July 12, 2013, 12:11:31 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 12, 2013, 09:06:30 AM

Couple of suggestions today that we're in for Sam Bryam, young Leeds RB

i know a few Leeds fans and they're all raving about this kid. Would be excellent back up to Lowton, but i think Leeds rate him highly and might cost a fair few quid.

they would want big money. He like the new Luke shaw of right backs .   Probably be a Arsenal signing or someone like them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nick harper on July 12, 2013, 12:45:38 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 11:15:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 12, 2013, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...


Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Greater than Brian on a good day?

I would have to say yes - just because Cruyff would go back and help out in defence when he got bored.

Smoking a fag as he did so.

The best side I ever saw at Villa Park was Juventus in 1983. By an absolute mile, too.

Indeed, that was 9 of the Italian side that won the World Cup in 82 plus Platini and Boniek. A privelege to be there that night because we gave them a really good game and Sid scored a beauty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 12, 2013, 12:49:14 PM

I'm not sure I could see the logic in signing Ba, aged 28 with his injury legacy (and no doubt mad wages) whilst shipping out Bent who we already own and offers pretty much the same thing to their side

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 12, 2013, 01:09:39 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 12, 2013, 12:31:33 PM

Quote from: Miguelito on July 12, 2013, 12:11:31 PM

Quote from: Merv on July 12, 2013, 09:06:30 AM

Couple of suggestions today that we're in for Sam Bryam, young Leeds RB

i know a few Leeds fans and they're all raving about this kid. Would be excellent back up to Lowton, but i think Leeds rate him highly and might cost a fair few quid.

they would want big money. He like the new Luke shaw of right backs .   Probably be a Arsenal signing or someone like them

We could do a Spurs on them and offer any of Given, Hutton, Ireland, Bannan and Delfouneso in addition to £500k in cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on July 12, 2013, 01:22:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 11:15:28 AM

Quote from: berneboy on July 12, 2013, 09:38:50 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on July 12, 2013, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: paul_e on July 11, 2013, 08:35:18 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 11, 2013, 03:03:08 PM

Robin Van Persie was alright  I suppose.  That Ruud Van Nistelroy had his moments. Ruud Gullitt too. Though to be fair I always preferred Dennis Bergkamp - who was of course - not a patch on Patrick Kluivert or indeed Marco Van Basten - and none of them ever matched Johann Cryuff - but I take your point.

Not had chance to read this before now...


Cryuff wasn't a striker and never played in England

There was a night in the late 70's when he played 80 minutes at Villa Park - greatest performance I have ever witnessed there.

Greater than Brian on a good day?

I would have to say yes - just because Cruyff would go back and help out in defence when he got bored.

Smoking a fag as he did so.

The best side I ever saw at Villa Park was Juventus in 1983. By an absolute mile, too.

I wonder how we would have fared in the match at Villa Park had Allan Evans been playing? Des Bremner was no way as efficient at centre half

Nick

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 12, 2013, 01:53:32 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I've never quite squared the fact that Cruyff was one of the most phenomenal footballers I've ever seen footage of, and by extension one of my favourite ever, and the fact he's a bit of a prat. I usually hate arrogant footballers who know they're fantastic but I can forgive it in Cruyff.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mazrimsbruv on July 12, 2013, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I was only a kid but I have a few snippets of memories from that game (UEFA Cup Quarter Final 1978).

One was queueing with my dad for what seemed like forever, all the way round three sides of the ground.

Another was how dirty some of their players were, especialy their chief 'hatchet man', who was called Jesus something.

And sadly my abiding memory of Cruyff was that his mugshot was on the front of the match programme, and some lad on the bus on the way home was cheerily burning out the eyes with a cigarette.

Also, I think we left early, as we usually did, and missed two late Villa goals, including the equaliser for 2-2, wasn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 12, 2013, 02:15:50 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

Cruff was brilliant the time I saw him at VP; as were Boniek and Platini.
But Johann has always been my No! international player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2013, 02:41:39 PM

Cryuff was special, I'nm too young to have seen him live but from what I've seen of him he's got to be one of the greatest players of all time.  Fabulous skill, superb work ethic and just enough arrogance to make sure everyone knew how good he was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PGW on July 12, 2013, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 12, 2013, 02:41:39 PM

Cryuff was special, I'nm too young to have seen him live but from what I've seen of him he's got to be one of the greatest players of all time.  Fabulous skill, superb work ethic and just enough arrogance to make sure everyone knew how good he was.

He used to live with Doug as a kid and he taught the young 'Johan' everything!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2013, 03:58:23 PM

Quote from: PGW on July 12, 2013, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 12, 2013, 02:41:39 PM

Cryuff was special, I'nm too young to have seen him live but from what I've seen of him he's got to be one of the greatest players of all time.  Fabulous skill, superb work ethic and just enough arrogance to make sure everyone knew how good he was.

He used to live with Doug as a kid and he taught the young 'Johan' everything!!!

Doug still hasn't forgiven Cruyff for not putting his name against that world famous turn.  He taught that as well, you know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2013, 04:08:26 PM

reluctant to mention in view of the quality of player under recent discussion but rumours linking us to Alexander Esswein.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 12, 2013, 04:13:07 PM

Quote from: mazrimsbruv on July 12, 2013, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I was only a kid but I have a few snippets of memories from that game (UEFA Cup Quarter Final 1978).

One was queueing with my dad for what seemed like forever, all the way round three sides of the ground.

Another was how dirty some of their players were, especialy their chief 'hatchet man', who was called Jesus something.

And sadly my abiding memory of Cruyff was that his mugshot was on the front of the match programme, and some lad on the bus on the way home was cheerily burning out the eyes with a cigarette.

Also, I think we left early, as we usually did, and missed two late Villa goals, including the equaliser for 2-2, wasn't it?

Did Dad ever stay to the end of anything?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on July 12, 2013, 04:48:02 PM

Quote from: mazrimsbruv on July 12, 2013, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I was only a kid but I have a few snippets of memories from that game (UEFA Cup Quarter Final 1978).

One was queueing with my dad for what seemed like forever, all the way round three sides of the ground.

Another was how dirty some of their players were, especialy their chief 'hatchet man', who was called Jesus something.

And sadly my abiding memory of Cruyff was that his mugshot was on the front of the match programme, and some lad on the bus on the way home was cheerily burning out the eyes with a cigarette.

Also, I think we left early, as we usually did, and missed two late Villa goals, including the equaliser for 2-2, wasn't it?

My memories are similar too. I believe it was a Portuguese ref who might well have been Spanish (even though I know the two are as friendly to each other as England and Scotland). I could not understand how they would constantly foul and upend our players when they had Cruyff and Neeskens in the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 05:19:03 PM

I read that since the transfer window of summer 2006! the Metro newspaper has published 854 rumours for players that have since had resolved transfers. Only 107 of those were proved correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 12, 2013, 05:21:41 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 05:19:03 PM

I read that since the transfer window of summer 2006! the Metro newspaper has published 854 rumours for players that have since had resolved transfers. Only 107 of those were proved correct.

That, to me, is a surprisingly high ratio. I bet the tabloids are all much worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 05:25:29 PM

It was on football 365 article about ITKs

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 05:33:38 PM

What are peoples best worst rumour websites ??

caughtoffside  pretty pretty extremely laughably bad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 12, 2013, 05:41:21 PM

I think caughtoffside is the worst by a long shot, but special mention to goal.com

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 05:48:42 PM

I like goal. com  what about tribal football has to up there also with mentions to sb nation and bleacher report

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on July 12, 2013, 06:47:37 PM

Tom Ince anyone ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2013, 06:51:45 PM

Haven't seen enough of Tom Ince to make a meaningful judgement, I will say though that his record is very good at blackpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 07:16:48 PM

Ince a cracking play certainly too good for championship. I think he's holding out for an established premiership club. Villa would be just that. £5mil plus delfoneso would be rite!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2013, 07:22:32 PM

but is he better than Tonev who we've just got for a fraction of the cost?

I have no idea what the answer is but if you're going to pay the mony being asked for him you want someone who will come in and have a big impact, is he ready for that, it seems to be a question that is proving a bit to expensive for most clubs to ask.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nodge on July 12, 2013, 07:46:50 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 12, 2013, 04:13:07 PM

Quote from: mazrimsbruv on July 12, 2013, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I was only a kid but I have a few snippets of memories from that game (UEFA Cup Quarter Final 1978).

One was queueing with my dad for what seemed like forever, all the way round three sides of the ground.

Another was how dirty some of their players were, especialy their chief 'hatchet man', who was called Jesus something.

And sadly my abiding memory of Cruyff was that his mugshot was on the front of the match programme, and some lad on the bus on the way home was cheerily burning out the eyes with a cigarette.

Also, I think we left early, as we usually did, and missed two late Villa goals, including the equaliser for 2-2, wasn't it?

Did Dad ever stay to the end of anything?

Well you two are here so that's at least twice!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 12, 2013, 07:47:28 PM

Ince has looked decent on the rare occasions I've seen him but not outstanding. His price seems vastly inflated partly because he's English and partly because of Liverpool's 50% sell-on clause I would guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 12, 2013, 08:24:28 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 12, 2013, 07:47:28 PM

Ince has looked decent on the rare occasions I've seen him but not outstanding. His price seems vastly inflated partly because he's English and partly because of Liverpool's 50% sell-on clause I would guess.

and stupidly that he is Paul Ince's son

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 08:27:47 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 12, 2013, 07:47:28 PM

Ince has looked decent on the rare occasions I've seen him but not outstanding. His price seems vastly inflated partly because he's English and partly because of Liverpool's 50% sell-on clause I would guess.

i certainly think this is case though  its maybe now not a case of prices being inflated they just are as they are. 8mil is the figure then 8mil it is.. same with benteke @25mil. There are arguments for and against such fees but fact remains clubs want to get value both selling and buying. Its same with players wages they aren't over paid they just are - that's footballing life. Everyone up to get best deal for themselves   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 12, 2013, 08:32:15 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 12, 2013, 08:27:47 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 12, 2013, 07:47:28 PM

Ince has looked decent on the rare occasions I've seen him but not outstanding. His price seems vastly inflated partly because he's English and partly because of Liverpool's 50% sell-on clause I would guess.

i certainly think this is case though  its maybe now not a case of prices being inflated they just are as they are. 8mil is the figure then 8mil it is.. same with benteke @25mil. There are arguments for and against such fees but fact remains clubs want to get value both selling and buying. Its same with players wages they aren't over paid they just are - that's footballing life. Everyone up to get best deal for themselves   

Unfortunately youve hit the nail on the head VK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2013, 08:43:06 PM

I'd say that Ince at £8m looks much better value than Zaha at £15m and most of the talk in January was of what a great prospect ManYoo had signed.

Not that I'd want either of them at those prices.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM

The 83 Juventus match was the first I ever saw and what a brilliant team. When the subject of good visiting teams comes up I always think of the surprise ones, the Man City team of Given, Dunne, Distin, ireland, barton and anelaka and the spanish team with mostovoi, was is Celta Vigo or Deportivo?

We didn't really expect to see quite so little of the ball with either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2013, 09:13:02 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM

The 83 Juventus match was the first I ever saw and what a brilliant team. When the subject of good visiting teams comes up I always think of the surprise ones, the Man City team of Given, Dunne, Distin, ireland, barton and anelaka and the spanish team with mostovoi, was is Celta Vigo or Deportivo?

We didn't really expect to see quite so little of the ball with either.

Vigo. I could never work out why Gregory spent the next two years chasing Haim Revivo rather than Mostovoi after those games.

I'd forgotten that Claude Makelele was the bloke doing the defending which meant that Mostovoi could spend his evening ripping us to pieces.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2013, 09:16:27 PM

Karpin was excellent for them too. But yeah, I desperately wanted Revivo to join us. And Benny McCarthy later.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2013, 09:22:28 PM

Juventus, Spartak (1983?) and Celta were the best away sides I can remember us playing in Europe. I was at the Barcelona game in '78 but can't remember anything about it. I was only 8 so had no idea what a big match it was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2013, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 12, 2013, 09:16:27 PM

Karpin was excellent for them too. But yeah, I desperately wanted Revivo to join us. And Benny McCarthy later.

I know it's been done to death, but had we just spend the £9m that Vigo were asking for on McCarthy rather than spending it on Angel the following year I think the first half of the last decade would have been a very different story.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 09:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2013, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 12, 2013, 09:16:27 PM

Karpin was excellent for them too. But yeah, I desperately wanted Revivo to join us. And Benny McCarthy later.

I know it's been done to death, but had we just spend the £9m that Vigo were asking for on McCarthy rather than spending it on Angel the following year I think the first half of the last decade would have been a very different story.

If ever there was an object lesson in how not to go after a player - make it clear you were desperate to sign him then act hurt when his club don't drop their price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 12, 2013, 09:56:39 PM

Quote from: mazrimsbruv on July 12, 2013, 02:15:22 PM

Quote from: SteveN on July 12, 2013, 01:46:28 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 12, 2013, 12:57:23 PM

Juventus that night were brilliant, and if I remember rightly did we score first in the away leg

Best player I have had the pleasure of seeing - Cruyff, he was phenominal against us

Absolutely.  I remember Cruyff selling one dummy that sent the crowd the wrong way, I think it was at that match althgough I did once see him play at Stamford Bridge.  I have a vague memory that on one occasion he even took a goal kick, he probably played it forward and ran up field to pick it up from a knock down.

The term genius is used far too frequently but Cruyff was just that.

I was only a kid but I have a few snippets of memories from that game (UEFA Cup Quarter Final 1978).

One was queueing with my dad for what seemed like forever, all the way round three sides of the ground.

Another was how dirty some of their players were, especialy their chief 'hatchet man', who was called Jesus something.

And sadly my abiding memory of Cruyff was that his mugshot was on the front of the match programme, and some lad on the bus on the way home was cheerily burning out the eyes with a cigarette.

Also, I think we left early, as we usually did, and missed two late Villa goals, including the equaliser for 2-2, wasn't it?

Except for the memories around the game this is much my memories of it. I remember the Barcelona fans, Cruyff scoring, andtheirbrilliant colourful kit. I also remember walking to the ground - we lived in Aston - with my dad and uncle and my dad said,"they've got the best two players in the world(Cruyff and Neeskens)". even then as a 7 year-old my Villa spectacles were well andtruly worn in and I said, "Why have they signed Deehan and Andy Gray"? For some reason dixie was always one of myfavourite players. There was an attacking exotic nature to him as a 7 year-old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2013, 10:23:02 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2013, 09:22:28 PM

Juventus, Spartak (1983?) and Celta were the best away sides I can remember us playing in Europe. I was at the Barcelona game in '78 but can't remember anything about it. I was only 8 so had no idea what a big match it was.

Celta were pretty dire at their place, IIRC. 

But at VP they looked a class above.   La Coruna were outstanding at our place too, with the Brazillians Bebeto and  Mauro Silva pulling the strings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 12, 2013, 10:34:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2013, 09:26:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2013, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 12, 2013, 09:16:27 PM

Karpin was excellent for them too. But yeah, I desperately wanted Revivo to join us. And Benny McCarthy later.

I know it's been done to death, but had we just spend the £9m that Vigo were asking for on McCarthy rather than spending it on Angel the following year I think the first half of the last decade would have been a very different story.

If ever there was an object lesson in how not to go after a player - make it clear you were desperate to sign him then act hurt when his club don't drop their price.

Thankfully Spurs don't seem to have heeded that lesson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2013, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM

The 83 Juventus match was the first I ever saw and what a brilliant team. When the subject of good visiting teams comes up I always think of the surprise ones, the Man City team of Given, Dunne, Distin, ireland, barton and anelaka and the spanish team with mostovoi, was is Celta Vigo or Deportivo?

We didn't really expect to see quite so little of the ball with either.

Man. City was always a weird one. Pre takeover so they were annually fighting relegation (and even went one season when they didn't score at home from NYD's right through to the end of the season) yet they'd regularly turn up at VP and smash us to pieces.

Think it was the 06/07 when Distin turned into Beckenbauer and scored after running from the halfway line. Always rated him and in hindsight we really should've signed him instead of Dunne in 2009 as he's still a regular for Everton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2013, 11:09:14 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2013, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM

The 83 Juventus match was the first I ever saw and what a brilliant team. When the subject of good visiting teams comes up I always think of the surprise ones, the Man City team of Given, Dunne, Distin, ireland, barton and anelaka and the spanish team with mostovoi, was is Celta Vigo or Deportivo?

We didn't really expect to see quite so little of the ball with either.

Man. City was always a weird one. Pre takeover so they were annually fighting relegation (and even went one season when they didn't score at home from NYD's right through to the end of the season) yet they'd regularly turn up at VP and smash us to pieces.

Think it was the 06/07 when Distin turned into Beckenbauer and scored after running from the halfway line. Always rated him and in hindsight we really should've signed him instead of Dunne in 2009 as he's still a regular for Everton.

He had a choice of us or Everton.  He chose them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2013, 11:09:47 PM

Quote

Blackpool and England Under-21 winger Thomas Ince will not be joining Cardiff City, the Welsh club have confirmed.
The Seasiders accepted Cardiff's £8m offer for the 21-year-old, who became a father on Thursday.
He held talks with the newly promoted Premier League side on Monday, but will now be remaining at Bloomfield Road.
Cardiff confirmed in a statement  that the player did not "want to leave his family or the Seasiders at this stage of his life".
Ince's decision to stay will be a relief to his father and Blackpool manager, Paul.
The ex-England captain had said his son, who scored 18 goals in the Championship last season, would only leave for a club where he would play regularly.
Reading failed with an offer for Ince in January, and a possible move to Liverpool during the same transfer window came to nothing because of a disagreement over his value.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:14:57 PM

Wasn't spartak the team we played behind closed doors due to the aggro at anderlecht?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2013, 11:16:42 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:14:57 PM

Wasn't spartak the team we played behind closed doors due to the aggro at anderlecht?

No that was Besiktas. Spartak was in the UEFA Cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:17:31 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2013, 10:55:53 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM

The 83 Juventus match was the first I ever saw and what a brilliant team. When the subject of good visiting teams comes up I always think of the surprise ones, the Man City team of Given, Dunne, Distin, ireland, barton and anelaka and the spanish team with mostovoi, was is Celta Vigo or Deportivo?

We didn't really expect to see quite so little of the ball with either.

Man. City was always a weird one. Pre takeover so they were annually fighting relegation (and even went one season when they didn't score at home from NYD's right through to the end of the season) yet they'd regularly turn up at VP and smash us to pieces.

Think it was the 06/07 when Distin turned into Beckenbauer and scored after running from the halfway line. Always rated him and in hindsight we really should've signed him instead of Dunne in 2009 as he's still a regular for Everton.

That was one of the best team displays ive ever seen at VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

Was it them that Walters scored that curling beauty against in the striped kit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2013, 11:23:38 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

Was it them that Walters scored that curling beauty against in the striped kit?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 11:28:12 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2013, 10:55:53 PM

Man. City was always a weird one. Pre takeover so they were annually fighting relegation (and even went one season when they didn't score at home from NYD's right through to the end of the season) yet they'd regularly turn up at VP and smash us to pieces.

I remember Dr Jo's season, towards the end, an evening match, losing 5-1 at home to Man City. I am pretty sure David White scored four of them.

It was one of the most depressing games I've ever attended. We were in the lower trinity, down the front, and at the end I couldn't help engaging in a bit of shouting and finger pointing at Dr Jo as he walked off. I was embarassed to see it on the telly highlights, but honestly, it was a fucking disgraceful performance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2013, 11:43:10 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

Was it them that Walters scored that curling beauty against in the striped kit?

Remember listening to that game on BRMB. George Gavin went absolutely ballistic when Walters scored that beauty.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 11:53:37 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

He's of Pakistani origin and came to the US a while back and attended university there. Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars and comes with a reputation not entirely dissimilar to Randy. Very community orientated and by all acounts and good bloke. Minted too, so it will be interesting to see what he does with Fulham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 11:57:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 11:53:37 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

He's of Pakistani origin and came to the US a while back and attended university there. Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars and comes with a reputation not entirely dissimilar to Randy. Very community orientated and by all acounts and good bloke. Minted too, so it will be interesting to see what he does with Fulham.

And looks a lot like porn legend Ron Jeremy.

Err, so I am told.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 13, 2013, 12:00:59 AM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2013, 11:43:10 PM

Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2013, 11:18:42 PM

Was it them that Walters scored that curling beauty against in the striped kit?

Remember listening to that game on BRMB. George Gavin went absolutely ballistic when Walters scored that beauty.

I am pretty sure I was in the Villa leisure centre watching that game along with many others

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2013, 12:18:52 AM

Will the new FFP rules prevent the new Fulham owner from ploughing-in the amounts Randy did in the first couple of years?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richl on July 13, 2013, 12:20:59 AM

Isn't it a shame that our billionaire took over when other billionaires were bigger billionaires.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 13, 2013, 12:40:49 AM

Quote from: richl on July 13, 2013, 12:20:59 AM

Isn't it a shame that our billionaire took over when other billionaires were bigger billionaires.

I like the fact our billionaire actually has some feeling for the club tbh

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2013, 12:45:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 11:57:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 11:53:37 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

He's of Pakistani origin and came to the US a while back and attended university there. Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars and comes with a reputation not entirely dissimilar to Randy. Very community orientated and by all acounts and good bloke. Minted too, so it will be interesting to see what he does with Fulham.

And looks a lot like porn legend Ron Jeremy.

Err, so I am told.

Or a fat Kapil Dev. Take your pick

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 13, 2013, 12:58:34 AM

To be fair, Randy was agreeing to his managers requests to buy Bent, Hutton, Ireland and Given. Lucky he did we Bent imho as he kept us in the premiership with his goals

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2013, 07:56:06 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2013, 12:45:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 11:57:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 11:53:37 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

He's of Pakistani origin and came to the US a while back and attended university there. Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars and comes with a reputation not entirely dissimilar to Randy. Very community orientated and by all acounts and good bloke. Minted too, so it will be interesting to see what he does with Fulham.

And looks a lot like porn legend Ron Jeremy.

Err, so I am told.

Or a fat Kapil Dev. Take your pick

Nailed it there, Toronto.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 13, 2013, 08:02:10 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 13, 2013, 12:40:49 AM

Quote from: richl on July 13, 2013, 12:20:59 AM

Isn't it a shame that our billionaire took over when other billionaires were bigger billionaires.

I like the fact our billionaire actually has some feeling for the club tbh

Quote from: villan from luton on July 13, 2013, 12:40:49 AM

Quote from: richl on July 13, 2013, 12:20:59 AM

Isn't it a shame that our billionaire took over when other billionaires were bigger billionaires.

I like the fact our billionaire actually has some feeling for the club tbh

I wish I was a billionaire

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 13, 2013, 08:06:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2013, 11:57:46 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2013, 11:53:37 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 12, 2013, 11:41:28 PM

Has this gone through in an earlier page?: A rich Yank has bought Fulham. Surely he must want to follow Randy's lead and sign Bent, Hutton, Ireland & Given.

He's of Pakistani origin and came to the US a while back and attended university there. Owns the Jacksonville Jaguars and comes with a reputation not entirely dissimilar to Randy. Very community orientated and by all acounts and good bloke. Minted too, so it will be interesting to see what he does with Fulham.

And looks a lot like porn legend Ron Jeremy.

Err, so I am told.

Hard to tell when he's got his clothes on!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 13, 2013, 08:13:35 AM

If we really are interested in signing Ron Jeremy it's not in keeping with our 'young and hungry' policy
So I can't see it happening

Does he play at the back ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2013, 08:15:42 AM

Quote from: john e on July 13, 2013, 08:13:35 AM

If we really are interested in signing Ron Jeremy it's not in keeping with our 'young and hungry' policy
So I can't see it happening

Does he play at the back ?

In the hole, John.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 13, 2013, 08:35:20 AM

Quote from: from the Guardian

Khan is the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars American Football franchise, which he purchased in 2011, having made his estimated £1.7bn fortune in the manufacture of car parts. The 62-year-old, who will become the sixth American owner of a Premier League club, has been actively seeking to promote the Jaguars in the UK, with their potential relocation to London having even been mooted in the US.

So about the same as Randy's personal fortune and I doubt he has a family trust to dip into.

Not too sure about his motives for buying into Fulham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2013, 08:50:24 AM

I walked past Ron Jeremy in a bar on Sunset Strip once. He had his clothes on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 13, 2013, 09:40:23 AM

News today that Were looking at Vydra for Bentekes replacement. I would be happy with that! James Nursey (usually spot on with Villa info) is saying Spurs want to wrap up a deal by Wednesday and the figure is £25m. He's also said he does not think he will stay.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 13, 2013, 09:59:19 AM

SSN saying that Bent is set to join Newcastle by Monday. Hope that's not old news.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 13, 2013, 10:01:21 AM

25 with adds on hopefully


would prefer 30 mill

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2013, 10:07:22 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 13, 2013, 10:01:21 AM

25 with adds on hopefully


would prefer 30 mill

In regards to add on's, would this kick in if he was to move abroad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2013, 10:12:17 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 13, 2013, 08:35:20 AM

Quote from: from the Guardian

Khan is the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars American Football franchise, which he purchased in 2011, having made his estimated £1.7bn fortune in the manufacture of car parts. The 62-year-old, who will become the sixth American owner of a Premier League club, has been actively seeking to promote the Jaguars in the UK, with their potential relocation to London having even been mooted in the US.

So about the same as Randy's personal fortune and I doubt he has a family trust to dip into.

Not too sure about his motives for buying into Fulham.

For those of you unfamiliar with the standard of play in the NFL. Randy's (former) Cleveland Browns may have been bad but the Jaguars are absolutely abysmal.

In a league where its almost impossible not to make money and sell out a stadium, the Jaguars had to put tarps over the seats in their upper deck.

However, since Khan only bought the Jags in 2011 he can't be blamed for most of their ineptitude.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 13, 2013, 11:18:28 AM

Impossible to make money and sell out a stadium in the NFL?
Did you mean to say impossible not to?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 13, 2013, 12:06:11 PM

well If Fulham will have money

Bent is £1o million 

Did I read Wolfsburg wanted Bent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 13, 2013, 12:19:10 PM

Vydra... I like the look of this chap . Probably want somewhere between 5-10 mil. He strikes me as an ideal fit for Villa and Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 13, 2013, 12:24:39 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 13, 2013, 11:18:28 AM

Impossible to make money and sell out a stadium in the NFL?
Did you mean to say impossible not to?

That's what it says  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2013, 12:33:25 PM

Is Vydra the Watford lad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 13, 2013, 12:37:17 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 13, 2013, 12:33:25 PM

Is Vydra the Watford lad?

Udinese and Watford , weird situation that one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2013, 12:41:58 PM

That's a family firm. Udinese and Watford <wink wink>

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2013, 01:02:28 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 13, 2013, 11:18:28 AM

Impossible to make money and sell out a stadium in the NFL?
Did you mean to say impossible not to?

Most markets do no problem at all. The state of Florida is predominantly a college (university) sports state so pretty much all of the professional sports teams struggle with selling out, including the Miami Dolphins. Jacksonville is a much newer team than the Dolphins with smaller population and TV revenue market. They struggle to sell out any of their games and even before this bloke bought them they were always being linked with relocation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 13, 2013, 02:06:05 PM

With vydra add Saviola, Hooper and Ince. All moving all should come. Saviola would be immense could see fulham getting him in - he'd do a job in the prem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2013, 02:11:35 PM

Wow. Saviola. There's a name no-one has considered before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 13, 2013, 02:14:53 PM

I'm AMAZED he's only 31.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on July 13, 2013, 02:23:30 PM

I wouldn't mind Vydra if Benteke goes he could do a job for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2013, 02:24:49 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 13, 2013, 02:11:35 PM

Wow. Saviola. There's a name no-one has considered before.

I was Battistuta and Ardiles were also still available. And off course Ricky Villa. Maybe Spurs could throw those two in when we sell them Benteke for £15m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 13, 2013, 02:41:22 PM

Saw this on Twatter - an ITK - but one that has as many hits as misses.

(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/Son_Lyme/Benteke5yearsSpursTwitter_zps4afca8e6.jpg)

I thought there was meant to be a protocol regarding talking to players under contract at other clubs - I do hope Villa have had CB under surveillance - proof of such shenanigans strengthens their hand considerably.

Spurs will not offer enough cash.

And if they try to add players into the deal - they have only three we want

Gareth Bale - Gylfi Siggurdsson - Tom Carroll.

Gylfi or Tom please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 13, 2013, 02:54:48 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2013, 02:24:49 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 13, 2013, 02:11:35 PM

Wow. Saviola. There's a name no-one has considered before.

I was Battistuta and Ardiles were also still available. And off course Ricky Villa. Maybe Spurs could throw those two in when we sell them Benteke for £15m

and Jimmy Greaves for that matter hes only 73 for gods sake. Old and hungry.

er....but not Gazza thank you very much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 13, 2013, 03:52:36 PM

Riquelme would offer more than Ireland. Saviola could prove more effective than berger or pires

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 13, 2013, 04:13:01 PM

Is Riquelme even still playing?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2013, 04:13:53 PM

If we get Saviola we should re-sign JPA. Reunite their deadly River Plate partnership.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 13, 2013, 05:36:22 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 13, 2013, 04:13:53 PM

If we get Saviola we should re-sign JPA. Reunite their deadly River Plate partnership.

Why stop there. I reckon we'd get a work permit for Cummings this time around.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2013, 06:40:44 PM

Has Omar done 'owt since? Saviola... sigh. Another cuddabin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mallo on July 13, 2013, 07:00:14 PM

QPR in for Saviola apparently - he'd get kicked up a height in that league. Probably a bit too slow for us now, but could he play midfield? Certainly a better option than the Scottish pele.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 13, 2013, 08:07:17 PM

Jesus, did Harry Redknapp not learn his lesson about expensive mercenaries? Ha ha. Can't see Saviola joining a club like QPR for any other reason than a big fat paycheck.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 13, 2013, 08:20:26 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 13, 2013, 08:07:17 PM

Jesus, did Harry Redknapp not learn his lesson about expensive mercenaries? Ha ha. Can't see Saviola joining a club like QPR for any other reason than a big fat paycheck.

He'll fit right in then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2013, 08:46:01 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 13, 2013, 02:41:22 PM

And if they try to add players into the deal - they have only three we want

Gareth Bale - Gylfi Siggurdsson - Tom Carroll.

Gylfi or Tom please.

Why exactly do we want Tom Carroll? Over say, Dembele, Sandro, Vertonghen et cetera?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2013, 09:54:16 PM

I see Saviola as the south American Owen really.

Someone who was amazing as a teenager and in their early 20s then got a few injuries and moved around numerous sub benches like Madrid and Benfica.

Not a good fit for us at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2013, 10:01:47 PM

Who's Tom Carroll?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2013, 10:13:53 PM

A bloke who has played half a dozen games for Spurs in midfield and not really done very much.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2013, 01:18:48 AM

oh. so why do we want him, then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

Sig or Tom carroll -  ask a yid - that's who they fear losing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 14, 2013, 01:22:31 AM

They fear it? blimey, that's a bit intense of them isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2013, 01:38:05 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

Sig or Tom carroll -  ask a yid - that's who they fear losing.

Could you not just have said "Tottenham fan", why the need to be racist?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 14, 2013, 02:01:37 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2013, 01:38:05 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

Sig or Tom carroll -  ask a yid - that's who they fear losing.

Could you not just have said "Tottenham fan", why the need to be racist?

In London, that is how a large number of Spurs fans refer to themselves ( they actually have a chant with this epithet).  I was amazed when I landed here, as I assumed it was an Arsenal insult to Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2013, 02:05:46 AM

There are plenty of black people who use a derogatory racial word starting with 'N'. I still wouldn't be keen to use it though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 14, 2013, 03:22:23 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2013, 02:05:46 AM

There are plenty of black people who use a derogatory racial word starting with 'N'. I still wouldn't be keen to use it though.

Absolutely this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 14, 2013, 09:15:50 AM

+ 20 pages

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2013, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: Pat McMahon on July 14, 2013, 02:01:37 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2013, 01:38:05 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

Sig or Tom carroll -  ask a yid - that's who they fear losing.

Could you not just have said "Tottenham fan", why the need to be racist?

In London, that is how a large number of Spurs fans refer to themselves ( they actually have a chant with this epithet).  I was amazed when I landed here, as I assumed it was an Arsenal insult to Spurs.

Is it the none Jewish contingent of the Spurs fans who refer to that name?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 14, 2013, 09:20:51 AM

Quote from: Pat McMahon on July 14, 2013, 02:01:37 AM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 14, 2013, 01:38:05 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

Sig or Tom carroll -  ask a yid - that's who they fear losing.

Could you not just have said "Tottenham fan", why the need to be racist?

In London, that is how a large number of Spurs fans refer to themselves ( they actually have a chant with this epithet).  I was amazed when I landed here, as I assumed it was an Arsenal insult to Spurs.

I believe they might be reclaiming the word. Take the sting out of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2013, 10:19:01 AM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:20:27 AM

a bit like an unknown called benteke?

No, not really like that at all. One being a bloke who keeps being farmed out on loan because his managers prefer to play the likes of Jake Livermore, the other was one of the top scorers for his club.

And whether he is promising or not, I'm pretty certain they rate the likes of Dembele a little bit higher than a bloke who never plays for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 14, 2013, 11:25:45 AM

I'm not remotely 'ITK' nor do I believe anyone who claims they are on Twitter. Neither have I seen much at all of any of the players I list below.

But based on what I have read and seen, I think it would be both credible and quite exciting to see us go for:

- Finnbogason (perhaps £8m, given that Bony went for £12m, it might be more. It'd start to get riskier at those levels).
- Wijnaldum (never heard of him, but has very good stats and looks good on youtube. What could go wrong . . . ?) Attacking midfielder, 22, Dutch. Maybe £8m again? Would be an alternative to Kiyotake.
- One more fwd option, perhaps someone pacy and direct. Mirror linked us to Castaignos who again looks good on youtube, but seems to perhaps have an attitude problem. Perhaps £6m?

Something like this - 3 young attacking players for a bit more than £20m - must be Lambert's plan if Benteke leaves, surely?

I'm not entirely convinced we'd get two more centre forwards, having bought Helenius, but we're letting two leave, so I think he might go that way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 11:54:01 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 14, 2013, 11:25:45 AM

I'm not remotely 'ITK' nor do I believe anyone who claims they are on Twitter. Neither have I seen much at all of any of the players I list below.

But based on what I have read and seen, I think it would be both credible and quite exciting to see us go for:

- Finnbogason (perhaps £8m, given that Bony went for £12m, it might be more. It'd start to get riskier at those levels).
- Wijnaldum (never heard of him, but has very good stats and looks good on youtube. What could go wrong . . . ?) Attacking midfielder, 22, Dutch. Maybe £8m again? Would be an alternative to Kiyotake.
- One more fwd option, perhaps someone pacy and direct. Mirror linked us to Castaignos who again looks good on youtube, but seems to perhaps have an attitude problem. Perhaps £6m?

Something like this - 3 young attacking players for a bit more than £20m - must be Lambert's plan if Benteke leaves, surely?

I'm not entirely convinced we'd get two more centre forwards, having bought Helenius, but we're letting two leave, so I think he might go that way.

Wijnaldum is a good shout. Hes young but seems to have been around forever. I belive he started out as a defensive mid. Then move to attacking mid then to the wing then to striker so hes versatile to say the leasti think he plays in the hole very well more as a center forward than a striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:56:55 AM

I'd like Marlon Harewood back. At least then we'll have replaced Benteke's forehead. All joking aside though, mighty Marlon had a bit of dignity about him. He could have kicked up far more of stink, and probably been entitled to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2013, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 11:54:01 AM

Wijnaldum is a good shout. Hes young but seems to have been around forever. I belive he started out as a defensive mid.

According to Wikipedia:

Quote

Georginio Wijnaldum used to be known as Georginio Boateng

The legend returns...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 12:04:03 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 14, 2013, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 11:54:01 AM

Wijnaldum is a good shout. Hes young but seems to have been around forever. I belive he started out as a defensive mid.

According to Wikipedia:

Quote

Georginio Wijnaldum used to be known as Georginio Boateng

The legend returns...

I didnt know that about the name. All we need to get now is a brazillian called ianio taylorinoh

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 01:20:07 PM

The man shea would have been a good move think stoke got a American dream there. Similar with altidore at sunderland. I think every prem club has a gettable player that villa could bring in and as we need a few more bodies i would like some prem league experience so be interesting which players Lambert would take if he followed this.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2013, 01:33:07 PM

I'd like the Benteke /Bent moves finalized asap and for Randy to back PL with  enough cash to bring in three quality signings to add real depth to the squad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM

Can't understand why the name Altidore keeps appearing, he was like a shit Emile Heskey last time round...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 01:40:07 PM

Steve harper as a back up would be nice little move - continuity of experience help steer steer. Being linked to Demba ba, and Martin and Bennett of nowrich prove experience signings. Gareth Barry would be interesting causing media and fan frenzy with interesting publicity. Add saviola ince, hooper, bertrand, with a   couple of foreign signings like draxler and Honda and big move for kaka we d really be talking business.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 14, 2013, 01:57:43 PM

My mate Billy is a Spurs fan and proudly calls himself and his mates 'yids' - I wasn't using the word in a racist way - but if it offends - then no more.

The spuds I know are all excited by the thought of getting Benteke - but to a man they don't want to give up Siggurdsson or Carroll - the other names mentioned are irrelevant because either Spurs won't trade them or we don't want them.  Carroll sounds like their Gary Gardner.

Is saying Bluenose still ok?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2013, 02:07:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:56:55 AM

I'd like Marlon Harewood back. At least then we'll have replaced Benteke's forehead. All joking aside though, mighty Marlon had a bit of dignity about him. He could have kicked up far more of stink, and probably been entitled to.

The thing was he was probably thinking......
"Fuck me, new chairman with millions of pounds to give to a respectable manager like MON to spunk on the best players he could find and he's found me, me, me, Marlon Fucking Harewood, Jesus Christ, has he got me mixed up with someone else? 'it head down, sign the contract he'll never realise he's signed the wrong player."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 14, 2013, 02:11:06 PM

Without wishing to prolong the discussion, I have asked several ?Jewish acqiantances in the past what they think of the term 'yid'. They find it deeply offensive.

An Isreali friend went so far to say that it is acceptable between Israeli Jews, but should not be used by a European Jew. I have no idea why.

From a non-Jewish European, which is what most Spurs fans are, it is racist.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 14, 2013, 02:14:25 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 01:40:07 PM

Steve harper as a back up would be nice little move - continuity of experience help steer steer. Being linked to Demba ba, and Martin and Bennett of nowrich prove experience signings. Gareth Barry would be interesting causing media and fan frenzy with interesting publicity. Add saviola ince, hooper, bertrand, with a   couple of foreign signings like draxler and Honda and big move for kaka we d really be talking business.     

Barry? No thanks.

Draxler and Honda would cost us upwards for both near on £30- 35 million. Kaka's wages alone would be in the region of around £100,000 - £150,000 per week and for a 31 year old?, dont think so somehow...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 02:21:47 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 14, 2013, 02:07:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:56:55 AM

I'd like Marlon Harewood back. At least then we'll have replaced Benteke's forehead. All joking aside though, mighty Marlon had a bit of dignity about him. He could have kicked up far more of stink, and probably been entitled to.

The thing was he was probably thinking......
"Fuck me, new chairman with millions of pounds to give to a respectable manager like MON to spunk on the best players he could find and he's found me, me, me, Marlon Fucking Harewood, Jesus Christ, has he got me mixed up with someone else? 'it head down, sign the contract he'll never realise he's signed the wrong player."

Probably. The funny thing was that Marlon was actually quite effective in his first season. He was very good coming off the bench and probably warranted starting a few games when, as always happened, some of our first 11 were absolutely knackered from playing every game. Didn't he start something like 2 premier league games in his time at the club? He was more dangerous than Big Emile anyway. Will always remember the goals against Liverpool and Reading. Surprisingly classy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 02:33:40 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 02:21:47 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 14, 2013, 02:07:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:56:55 AM

I'd like Marlon Harewood back. At least then we'll have replaced Benteke's forehead. All joking aside though, mighty Marlon had a bit of dignity about him. He could have kicked up far more of stink, and probably been entitled to.

The thing was he was probably thinking......
"Fuck me, new chairman with millions of pounds to give to a respectable manager like MON to spunk on the best players he could find and he's found me, me, me, Marlon Fucking Harewood, Jesus Christ, has he got me mixed up with someone else? 'it head down, sign the contract he'll never realise he's signed the wrong player."

Probably. The funny thing was that Marlon was actually quite effective in his first season. He was very good coming off the bench and probably warranted starting a few games when, as always happened, some of our first 11 were absolutely knackered from playing every game. Didn't he start something like 2 premier league games in his time at the club? He was more dangerous than Big Emile anyway. Will always remember the goals against Liverpool and Reading. Surprisingly classy.

harewood ! Didn't he score and over head kick for us against Liverpool and also he scored a hat trick against us for west ham. The other memory was the rows with gabby

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2013, 02:37:12 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 02:21:47 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 14, 2013, 02:07:39 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:56:55 AM

I'd like Marlon Harewood back. At least then we'll have replaced Benteke's forehead. All joking aside though, mighty Marlon had a bit of dignity about him. He could have kicked up far more of stink, and probably been entitled to.

The thing was he was probably thinking......
"Fuck me, new chairman with millions of pounds to give to a respectable manager like MON to spunk on the best players he could find and he's found me, me, me, Marlon Fucking Harewood, Jesus Christ, has he got me mixed up with someone else? 'it head down, sign the contract he'll never realise he's signed the wrong player."

Probably. The funny thing was that Marlon was actually quite effective in his first season. He was very good coming off the bench and probably warranted starting a few games when, as always happened, some of our first 11 were absolutely knackered from playing every game. Didn't he start something like 2 premier league games in his time at the club? He was more dangerous than Big Emile anyway. Will always remember the goals against Liverpool and Reading. Surprisingly classy.

Your right too, his attitude was spot on. He got loads of stick when he came on against Spurs and his error lead to the equaliser. We should not have collapsed in the first place so to blame him was unfair.

He done alright, we should not have bought him like so many other players at the time. When I look back at some of the players we brought in when we was supposed to be heading into this new dawn it is now quite baffling. Mediocre is an understatement. I admit I was completely swept up in this MON myth I could not see it at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

I'm not sure what planet the people who keep saying sell Benteke/ Bent and bring in big names ect. I assume they mean players on or demanding £80, 000 plus and wanting to play Champions League football. The reason why Benteke is going! The reason Lambert is purchasing cheap, young, low earning players.

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 03:28:50 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

I'm not sure what planet the people who keep saying sell Benteke/ Bent and bring in big names ect. I assume they mean players on or demanding £80, 000 plus and wanting to play Champions League football. The reason why Benteke is going! The reason Lambert is purchasing cheap, young, low earning players.

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

the people who are suggesting kaka are doing so as madrid have made him available for loan and madrid will pay some wages as they know nobody would want him on what they are paying him and they have just signed yet another center mid for 34 million so he wont play at all there. I more than happy to buy youngsters and to be fair i'd probably not want kaka either but we do need a big player with lots of experience but we need that in the back 4 more than up top this team has goals in it without a big player but its also very poor at the back, i'd like us to sign a player with league winning experience as well as european experience there are players in the starting lineups/bench at clubs like dortmund, bayern, ac milan, juventus, Anderlecht, basle, benfica, porto who would come to us. they would help the defense out no end. i would love us to sign this guy Cheikhou Kouyaté http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheikhou_Kouyat%C3%A9
hes young wont be to expensive would love to come to the prem would have a sell on value has league winning experience as well as european and is very quick. just what we need

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on July 14, 2013, 04:44:45 PM

Was just checking on Alfreð Finnbogason who has been mentioned on this thread ,  Wiki ( leaks ?!) state that he joined Notts Forest last week for 6mil (?!) , although apparently  this is,nt so .
Judging by his stats he looks like a very useful player indeed . Spent part of his youth in Edinburgh & played junior football up there  , so certainly language would not be a problem for him .................Godzvilla!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 14, 2013, 05:11:24 PM

I'm sorry, has someone suggested Kaka?

Really?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2013, 05:13:42 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

I thought he played for Dortmund. I'm sick of Bent players anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:30:36 PM

From the top european striker list I mooted earlier in the summer months -so far players that have moved are in bold

Stevan Jovetic
Mounir El Hamdaoui
Antonio Di Natalie
Rolando Bianchi bologna
Stephan El Shaarawy
Edinson Cavani
Dries Mertens napoli
Alfred Finnbogason
Jozy Altidore sunderland
Nacer Chadli
Christian Eriksen
Wilfried Bony swansea
Jackson Martinez
Max Kruse
Stefan Kießling
Robert Lewandowski
Mario Gomez acf fiorentina
Demba Ba
Luis Suarez
Dimitar Berbatov
Edin Dzeko
Kone Everton
Rooney
Torres
Tevez Juve
Cisse
Hulk
Soldado
Fabregas
Ronaldo
Huguain
Benzema
Negredo
Rodrigo
Bojan
David Villa Atlético de Madrid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM

Can't understand why the name Altidore keeps appearing, he was like a shit Emile Heskey last time round...

well he is vastly improved, imho wil have a benteke type impact and have said that he would be a major  player for any epl club - people will see he is far better now.

Also Di Canio has said he is enthused about the powerhouse signing

Altidore scored only 1 in 28 Premier League app for Hull City but scored 31 times last season.



Di Canio on sunderland  website: "Altidore is one of the top strikers in Europe. He only joined us on Tuesday but I'm very happy, curious and excited because I have a very good attacking side at the moment."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2013, 05:39:13 PM

Michy Batshuayi       looks pretty useful

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 05:50:44 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 14, 2013, 05:13:42 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

I thought he played for Dortmund. I'm sick of Bent players anyway.

:)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 03:28:50 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

I'm not sure what planet the people who keep saying sell Benteke/ Bent and bring in big names ect. I assume they mean players on or demanding £80, 000 plus and wanting to play Champions League football. The reason why Benteke is going! The reason Lambert is purchasing cheap, young, low earning players.

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

the people who are suggesting kaka are doing so as madrid have made him available for loan and madrid will pay some wages as they know nobody would want him on what they are paying him and they have just signed yet another center mid for 34 million so he wont play at all there. I more than happy to buy youngsters and to be fair i'd probably not want kaka either but we do need a big player with lots of experience but we need that in the back 4 more than up top this team has goals in it without a big player but its also very poor at the back, i'd like us to sign a player with league winning experience as well as european experience there are players in the starting lineups/bench at clubs like dortmund, bayern, ac milan, juventus, Anderlecht, basle, benfica, porto who would come to us. they would help the defense out no end. i would love us to sign this guy Cheikhou Kouyaté http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheikhou_Kouyat%C3%A9
hes young wont be to expensive would love to come to the prem would have a sell on value has league winning experience as well as european and is very quick. just what we need

You're saying big players with big experience. Why would these players want to join a club who have been in a relegation battle the last 2 seasons, aren't willing to pay wages over 60 grand (my guess) and definitely won't spend big on someone who's resale value will drop dramatically in a few years. Personally can't see it happening no matter how much Benteke leaves for.

Plus, is there really a need for this big player? Lots of young, exciting teams around Europe haven't bought one. Until we have something to offer the finished article then we'll probably be ok doing it the Lambert way...HEH!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: picicata on July 14, 2013, 06:15:47 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2013, 05:39:13 PM

Michy Batshuayi       looks pretty useful

He does have a touch of the Bentekes about him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 06:42:16 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 14, 2013, 03:28:50 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 14, 2013, 02:54:04 PM

I'm not sure what planet the people who keep saying sell Benteke/ Bent and bring in big names ect. I assume they mean players on or demanding £80, 000 plus and wanting to play Champions League football. The reason why Benteke is going! The reason Lambert is purchasing cheap, young, low earning players.

If and when Christian leaves Lambert won't be going on a bender signing £20 million, 29 yr old players from Madrid!

the people who are suggesting kaka are doing so as madrid have made him available for loan and madrid will pay some wages as they know nobody would want him on what they are paying him and they have just signed yet another center mid for 34 million so he wont play at all there. I more than happy to buy youngsters and to be fair i'd probably not want kaka either but we do need a big player with lots of experience but we need that in the back 4 more than up top this team has goals in it without a big player but its also very poor at the back, i'd like us to sign a player with league winning experience as well as european experience there are players in the starting lineups/bench at clubs like dortmund, bayern, ac milan, juventus, Anderlecht, basle, benfica, porto who would come to us. they would help the defense out no end. i would love us to sign this guy Cheikhou Kouyaté http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheikhou_Kouyat%C3%A9
hes young wont be to expensive would love to come to the prem would have a sell on value has league winning experience as well as european and is very quick. just what we need

You're saying big players with big experience. Why would these players want to join a club who have been in a relegation battle the last 2 seasons, aren't willing to pay wages over 60 grand (my guess) and definitely won't spend big on someone who's resale value will drop dramatically in a few years. Personally can't see it happening no matter how much Benteke leaves for.

Plus, is there really a need for this big player? Lots of young, exciting teams around Europe haven't bought one. Until we have something to offer the finished article then we'll probably be ok doing it the Lambert way...HEH!

your missing the point in a big player, i didnt say big named player i said big player the likes of the benders for me are big players probably out of our league but they are far from big names, same with vertongen when he signed for spurs big player but not a big name, Cheikhou Kouyaté not a big name. not gonna be on loads and wont want anymore than the average player in our squad and your "big experience" quote was not what i said, i said league winning/challenging and european now considering we have just signed okore who has league winning and european experience along with tonev and we have just been in two relegation battles that makes your point abit pointless. im not suggesting signing big names on big wages. im saying lets go get a 23-26 year old from a abroad and show some intent, okore has shown some but on his own without good cover we are destined for another average season amonge the relegation fodder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2013, 07:07:34 PM

Quote from: picicata on July 14, 2013, 06:15:47 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 14, 2013, 05:39:13 PM

Michy Batshuayi       looks pretty useful

He does have a touch of the Bentekes about him

He's only 19 and has a pretty good goalscoring record considering he would have been 17 when he came into the first team. I don't know what Belgians are feeding their kids but he's very much in the mold of Benteke. It's good to know that there are talents like this out there should the inevitable happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2013, 08:24:02 PM

Swansea have apparently put in a £2.5m bid for Batshuayi. Finnbogason looks class imo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

Youtube is what our scouts are using Paulie. I can't see them freezing their bollocks off in Denmark! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

the two defenders who play at top level seen them in champion league and in dutch and russian leagues and maxime in Belgian playoffs. I watch alot of football now dont ya know now i will get back to watching Iceland Germany Ladies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

the two defenders who play at top level seen them in champion league and in dutch and russian leagues and maxime in Belgian playoffs. I watch alot of football now dont ya know now i will get back to watching Iceland Germany Ladies.

Let us know if any of those players will be worth signing for Villa ladies mate! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 14, 2013, 09:08:48 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:30:36 PM

From the top european striker list I mooted earlier in the summer months -so far players that have moved are in bold

Bojan's gone to Ajax.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 09:21:33 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

the two defenders who play at top level seen them in champion league and in dutch and russian leagues and maxime in Belgian playoffs. I watch alot of football now dont ya know now i will get back to watching Iceland Germany Ladies.

Let us know if any of those players will be worth signing for Villa ladies mate! ;)

haha would do however the villa ladies are nt top league so especially Germany internationals would not be remotely interested in moving. That said villa ladies are far better than man utd ! Who have nt got a team which i find very controversial ! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 09:22:24 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

the two defenders who play at top level seen them in champion league and in dutch and russian leagues and maxime in Belgian playoffs. I watch alot of football now dont ya know now i will get back to watching Iceland Germany Ladies.

Let us know if any of those players will be worth signing for Villa ladies mate! ;)

haha would do however the villa ladies are nt top league so especially Germany internationals would not be remotely interested in moving. That said villa ladies are far better than man utd ! Who have nt got a team which i find very controversial ! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 14, 2013, 09:59:34 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:35:53 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM

Can't understand why the name Altidore keeps appearing, he was like a shit Emile Heskey last time round...

well he is vastly improved, imho wil have a benteke type impact and have said that he would be a major  player for any epl club - people will see he is far better now.

Also Di Canio has said he is enthused about the powerhouse signing

Altidore scored only 1 in 28 Premier League app for Hull City but scored 31 times last season.



Di Canio on sunderland  website: "Altidore is one of the top strikers in Europe. He only joined us on Tuesday but I'm very happy, curious and excited because I have a very good attacking side at the moment."

The man is a massive bag of wank matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 14, 2013, 10:14:44 PM

Matt Wanker, surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 14, 2013, 10:15:05 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 09:22:24 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

the two defenders who play at top level seen them in champion league and in dutch and russian leagues and maxime in Belgian playoffs. I watch alot of football now dont ya know now i will get back to watching Iceland Germany Ladies.

Let us know if any of those players will be worth signing for Villa ladies mate! ;)

haha would do however the villa ladies are nt top league so especially Germany internationals would not be remotely interested in moving. That said villa ladies are far better than man utd ! Who have nt got a team which i find very controversial !

How old are you? Not a trick question or a piss take just a matter of interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2013, 10:21:14 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

Youtube is what our scouts are using Paulie. I can't see them freezing their bollocks off in Denmark! ;)

Still a step up from what MON used to do back when he managed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 10:50:55 PM

To be fair, didn't we sign JPA from watching videos in the pre-youtube days?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2013, 10:57:36 PM

I seem to remember Gregory saying he watched coverage of the Argentinian league and a lot of other leagues. I got the impression that he never got away from the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 10:59:35 PM

That would have been good old channel 5. Lol. I remember watching some of the Argentinian league, probably after some Shannon Tweed film or other had finished. JPA impressed me too so I was pleased when we signed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2013, 10:59:40 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

Youtube is what our scouts are using Paulie. I can't see them freezing their bollocks off in Denmark! ;)

Given that it's barely an hour's flight away I would hope that we at least have scouts covering Denmark whose job is to do just that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 14, 2013, 11:09:01 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 14, 2013, 10:59:40 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 14, 2013, 08:39:17 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

Youtube is what our scouts are using Paulie. I can't see them freezing their bollocks off in Denmark! ;)

Given that it's barely an hour's flight away I would hope that we at least have scouts covering Denmark whose job is to do just that.

They'd only go for the good looking ladies and the bacon...or is that what I'd do?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2013, 11:51:41 PM

Have Swansea let Luke Moore go yet? Maybe he could come back to replace Bent/eke and do what he was born to - become a Villa legend.
Then again, maybe not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on July 15, 2013, 12:05:29 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 14, 2013, 11:51:41 PM

Have Swansea let Luke Moore go yet? Maybe he could come back to replace Bent/eke and do what he was born to - become a Villa legend.
Then again, maybe not.

I'm sure Darius is still kicking about somewhere too...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2013, 12:18:31 AM

A 19 year old version of Benteke for 2.5 million sounds a good plan with an older man coming in too. Swansea are spending a bit of brass aren't they!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 15, 2013, 06:45:19 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Yep. It's probably a longer road back than we realise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 06:50:15 AM

i agree with the posts above. My confidence is wavering slightly of late. Benteke was just so good for us, and even with 2-3 coming in to replace him, I'm struggling to envisage us carrying the same sort of threat. And even if you do manage to bring in 3 players who can collectively carry the same goal threat whilst increasing our creativity, it's hard to see how you get them all in the same side without compromising our defensive shape (such as it is) further.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2013, 07:38:01 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 06:50:15 AM

i agree with the posts above. My confidence is wavering slightly of late. Benteke was just so good for us, and even with 2-3 coming in to replace him, I'm struggling to envisage us carrying the same sort of threat. And even if you do manage to bring in 3 players who can collectively carry the same goal threat whilst increasing our creativity, it's hard to see how you get them all in the same side without compromising our defensive shape (such as it is) further.

A good way to improve on last year is to concede less goals.  That's likely to come about from signing something other than a striker.  So replacing his goals is not the only issue here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2013, 08:32:12 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Like that really highly rated centre half Southampton got in January, who didn't get a game and was sent back to his old club last week.

I'm shitting bricks, me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 08:41:22 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 15, 2013, 07:38:01 AM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 06:50:15 AM

i agree with the posts above. My confidence is wavering slightly of late. Benteke was just so good for us, and even with 2-3 coming in to replace him, I'm struggling to envisage us carrying the same sort of threat. And even if you do manage to bring in 3 players who can collectively carry the same goal threat whilst increasing our creativity, it's hard to see how you get them all in the same side without compromising our defensive shape (such as it is) further.

A good way to improve on last year is to concede less goals.  That's likely to come about from signing something other than a striker.  So replacing his goals is not the only issue here.

Completely agree. But not sure we'll sign more defenders now. We've bought a left back and centre back and are giving new contracts to baker and Clark. So I think it's al about getting a much (much!) better shape and organisation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 10:53:38 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2013, 08:32:12 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Like that really highly rated centre half Southampton got in January, who didn't get a game and was sent back to his old club last week.

I'm shitting bricks, me.

They don't all work out true but Laudrup's hit-rate at Swansea of plundering talent from Spain has been spot-on so far and he's brought in another taxi-load from there. They or Saints don't think twice about stumping up £12m for the best strikers in Holland and Scotland while Norwich land a couple of lads who have in the recent past been linked with much stronger clubs. The extra tv money now on the table is obviously taking effect.

Meanwhile, laudable though it is, we're still tinkering about in the bargain basement. Lambert's track record thus far with low-cost signings is impressive but it's still a relatively small amount of players to measure in terms of hit/shit rate. Generally speaking, spending more on players is more likely to mean that they are equipped to do better, more quickly than cheaper ones.
Anyway, in Lambert we have to trust. So here's hoping Helenius goes on to outscore Bony and Van Wolfswilly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 15, 2013, 11:04:32 AM

Spending "more on players" is more likely to mean they are equipped better?  I think the "English player price skew" spoils this stat.  Compare players at Wigan to Stoke over the past few years, or Villa to (hate to say it) Spurs pre Lambert... 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 11:27:29 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 10:53:38 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2013, 08:32:12 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Like that really highly rated centre half Southampton got in January, who didn't get a game and was sent back to his old club last week.

I'm shitting bricks, me.

They don't all work out true but Laudrup's hit-rate at Swansea of plundering talent from Spain has been spot-on so far and he's brought in another taxi-load from there. They or Saints don't think twice about stumping up £12m for the best strikers in Holland and Scotland while Norwich land a couple of lads who have in the recent past been linked with much stronger clubs. The extra tv money now on the table is obviously taking effect.

Meanwhile, laudable though it is, we're still tinkering about in the bargain basement. Lambert's track record thus far with low-cost signings is impressive but it's still a relatively small amount of players to measure in terms of hit/shit rate. Generally speaking, spending more on players is more likely to mean that they are equipped to do better, more quickly than cheaper ones.
Anyway, in Lambert we have to trust. So here's hoping Helenius goes on to outscore Bony and Van Wolfswilly.

I don't really get the thinking here - Laudrup gets talked up for the success of his 1 season of purchases from Spain, but you state that 1 season of signings isn't enough to judge Lambert on?

As for spending more money...

If we signed a player for 8m who was near the top of the scoring charts in his league and won the player of the season award would you expect him to come in and be exciting?  If so we got him for £7m less than that, does that stop it being a good signing?

As I've said before, there is a clear pattern to the signings we've made, they all work hard and have good technique, a young squad with the attitude to work for success and the technical base to work from is a very strong starting point.

If Benteke goes we'll need to replace him and I still want another, more attacking, midfielder and a backup at right back but otherwise I'm pretty happy with the squad right now.  My choice for the midfielder role has changed, We've not bought locally in this window and I think we should change that by going for Will Hughes at Derby.  If the kid at leeds is as good as suggested he'd be great as competition at right back.  Both are fairly highly rated so you'd be looking at 10-15m for the pair but that leaves the same again to go looking for a striker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 15, 2013, 11:37:56 AM

I still think Chelski could come in , If Spurzz bid and then they gazump ( is that a word ?)  it. 

especially with Mourinho trying to get Drogba back which failed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 12:07:01 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 11:27:29 AM

I don't really get the thinking here - Laudrup gets talked up for the success of his 1 season of purchases from Spain, but you state that 1 season of signings isn't enough to judge Lambert on?

Laudrup used to manage in Spain so had an advantage in knowing who would be likely to succeed over here.

Quote from: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 11:27:29 AM

As for spending more money...

If we signed a player for 8m who was near the top of the scoring charts in his league and won the player of the season award would you expect him to come in and be exciting?  If so we got him for £7m less than that, does that stop it being a good signing?

As I've said before, there is a clear pattern to the signings we've made, they all work hard and have good technique, a young squad with the attitude to work for success and the technical base to work from is a very strong starting point.

As I said, in general terms you pay more money for more proven players. Therefore I would expect an £8m signing i.e. Benteke to do a lot better (though, obviously not as well as he did do) in an opening season than Helenius. Of course that doesn't mean Helenius is a bad signing, just that expectations, from me anyway, won't be particularly high. Though, admittedly, logic from transfer fees isn't always the best guide. I'm still struggling  to see why the Dane Cardiff have signed was far more expensive than Helenius.
And I fully agree with your second paragraph.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andyh on July 15, 2013, 12:15:19 PM

Richard Dunne signs for QPR !!!

I'm amazed he passed a medical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 12:19:28 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 15, 2013, 12:15:19 PM

Richard Dunne signs for QPR !!!

I'm amazed he passed a medical.

as much pie and mash you can eat in a minute

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 15, 2013, 12:24:29 PM

Probably on 100K a week knowing QPR...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 15, 2013, 12:25:01 PM

Benteke came in to start, Helenius will be bedded in over a longer period.

If Benteke goes, then I expect Lambert will spend 6-10 million replacing him and I also still think that we will sign a more established attacking midfielder.

People are blinded by transfer fees. Michu was Laudrop’s best signing and he cost £2 million. Norwich and Southampton may well have signed some very good players or alternatively, they might not have done. I don’t know, as I have never seen them play in the Premier League. What they cost doesn’t come into it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 12:25:41 PM

I'm still not sure on the Laudrup thing, they may all do really well but there are so many factors that's just too hard to call.

The cost thing I still don't agree with for the exact example you gave.  I see little in their records to separate Helenius and Cornelius but the cost difference is huge.  Cost is largely based on who's selling and how hyped the player is.  If the club selling is small enough that a fee of £1m is enough to keep them afloat for a season they're much less likely to demand huge money.  Then you add on the hype.  If the same club/country has a 'hot prospect' in the same position who is their big hope you find the players just behind them tend to be cheaper than they possibly should be.  Benteke, for example, had no hype because Lukaku was Belgiums young striker in waiting, with everyone else making up the numbers.

We've picked up a lot of players who were under the radar, not all of them will come off but if 3 of the 6 from this summer make it with us then we'll have made a big profit and had a decent season (Bacuna is the 1 I think will turn out a bit special, I have no idea why but I have a good feeling about him).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 12:33:12 PM

If cost doesn't come into it why will Helenius not be expected to start but Benteke was? If we had spent £7m-£10m on Helenius there would be far higher expectations from him.

And Michu was so cheap because of the state of finances at every Spanish club bar the top two which Laudrup took full advantage of.

I'm not saying that transfer fees completely dictate the potential success or failure of a signing but it's the one clear measurement used when a player is bought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on July 15, 2013, 12:37:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2013, 08:01:57 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 14, 2013, 05:50:49 PM

Granted that Michy Batshuayi   does look useful!!

Other belgians to add in the mix defenders  Toby Alderweireld at Ajax and  Nicolas Lombaerts  Zenit Saint Petersburg and forward Jelle Vossen     at Racing Genk and Maxime Lestienne for club brugge

Be totally honest now, how many of those players have you actually seen play a full game?

Not a youtube clip, an actual game?

I saw Toby Alderweireld  of Ajax.  Went to watch Ajax v Willem II the day we played Norwich (mates stag do and I wanted to sneak off to get a game in).  Didnt think much of him to be hoenst. Certainly wasnt stand-out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 15, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 12:33:12 PM

If cost doesn't come into it why will Helenius not be expected to start but Benteke was? If we had spent £7m-£10m on Helenius there would be far higher expectations from him.

I never really thought he was. My impression at the time was that he was to be backup to Bent but came in and impressed. That said, I too am a wee bit concerned. Our players are somewhat more unheralded compared to the guys other teams are bringing in and we obviously can't expect every gamble to pay off. If they do Lambert deserves a lot of praise for finding players like them at such fees.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 01:17:32 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 12:33:12 PM

If cost doesn't come into it why will Helenius not be expected to start but Benteke was? If we had spent £7m-£10m on Helenius there would be far higher expectations from him.

And Michu was so cheap because of the state of finances at every Spanish club bar the top two which Laudrup took full advantage of.

I'm not saying that transfer fees completely dictate the potential success or failure of a signing but it's the one clear measurement used when a player is bought.

Benteke wasn't expected to start.  He was expected t compete with Weimann and Gabby to partner Bent.

Helenius isn't expected to start, he's expected to compete for a spot with the 3 from last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 01:22:13 PM

Yeah when Benteke came in, Darren Bent was our captain. It then became apparent to Lambert that Bent wasn't right for his side and Benteke would offer far more. In fairness to Lambert he saw this before anyone else and stuck by his decision even when many on here and virtually everyone outside of Villa were questionning his sanity.

I expect Helenius to have a good impact, but we do still need another striker to come in and push him, Gabby and Wiemann.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 15, 2013, 01:22:59 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 12:33:12 PM

If cost doesn't come into it why will Helenius not be expected to start but Benteke was? If we had spent £7m-£10m on Helenius there would be far higher expectations from him.

I think its based on the squad we have.

None of our forwards could do what Benteke could offer and so he was brought into be a first team player. Helenius was brought into deputise at a time where we expected Benteke to stay. That has changed, so its likely somebody more established will be brought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2013, 01:33:42 PM

There will be a striker and a number 10 style forward to come in if Benteke goes I am sure. Maybe even 2 strikers. No way will it be left as is without Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 15, 2013, 01:37:38 PM

It's not twitter but I still think it's a pile of nutsacks.

http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1214636-aston-villa-target-wigan-athletic-ace-maloney.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 15, 2013, 02:47:56 PM

The 'how much' thing is more to do with when you buy.

Can anyone tell me how much Villa paid for that scrawny teenage reserve striker from Dundee?  The same one who won player of the year and young player of the year before being sold for a British Transfer Record fee.

Give Lambert the money from Benteke sale and we could be even happier come this time next May.

Tuscan - it may be nutsacks - but Maloney is still a super footballer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 03:31:16 PM

Maloney has been immense for the past 18 months but it would be strange having him back.
I wouldn't worry about his age but I wonder how much Wigan would want. I reckon they still owe us £7m from the N'Zogbia deal so how about no money exchanges for Maloney and we call it even?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 03:34:06 PM

I think wee Shaun has developed a lot as a player. He'd good in that number 10 position. I also think he'd flourish under Lambert. My main concern is his age, and probably still, his mentality. If he has a tough couple of months, could he recover and turn it around? And what about wages? He wouldn't be on massive wages but he'd be on more than say a foreign punt signing we might take.

We would be dangerous from set pieces with wee Shuan around though. I wouldn't say no, but I don't see it happening and I think there'll be more options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 15, 2013, 04:04:53 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 15, 2013, 02:47:56 PM

The 'how much' thing is more to do with when you buy.

Can anyone tell me how much Villa paid for that scrawny teenage reserve striker from Dundee?  The same one who won player of the year and young player of the year before being sold for a British Transfer Record fee.

Give Lambert the money from Benteke sale and we could be even happier come this time next May.

Tuscan - it may be nutsacks - but Maloney is still a super footballer.

£110,000 from Dundee Utd

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 15, 2013, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 03:31:16 PM

Maloney has been immense for the past 18 months but it would be strange having him back.
I wouldn't worry about his age but I wonder how much Wigan would want. I reckon they still owe us £7m from the N'Zogbia deal so how about no money exchanges for Maloney and we call it even?

Didn't realise he was 30!!

Always liked Maloney, but he never had a fair crack at Villa, which was a shame.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 15, 2013, 04:13:13 PM

Maloney is not good enough for where we want to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2013, 04:19:23 PM

I'd be happy enough with Maloney. He was very very good last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 04:59:35 PM

Maloney is exactly sort of signing we could and should make - premier experience and good age for a few seasons would do a lovely playmaking job. Bringing him Barry and milner back would round off summer nicely. Add couple of Belgian defenders and saviola ince and hopper with harper as back up gk then i think would be comfortable top half team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2013, 05:04:05 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 04:59:35 PM

Maloney is exactly sort of signing we could and should make - premier experience and good age for a few seasons would do a lovely playmaking job. Bringing him Barry and milner back would round off summer nicely. Add couple of Belgian defenders and saviola ince and hopper with harper as back up gk then i think would be comfortable top half team.

Simples.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2013, 05:06:41 PM

So just the nine additional signings then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 05:14:11 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2013, 05:06:41 PM

So just the nine additional signings then?

you do the math ! with expected departures of Hutton, given, bent, Ireland, bannan, delfoneso, benteke, maybe nzogbia then yes
 !! (lest we forget lichaj, Marshall, holman, Williams, and dunne) 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 05:14:49 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2013, 05:06:41 PM

So just the nine additional signings then?

you do the math ! with expected departures of Hutton, given, bent, Ireland, bannan, delfoneso, benteke, maybe nzogbia then yes
 !! (lest we forget lichaj, Marshall, holman, Williams, and dunne) 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 15, 2013, 05:16:43 PM

Please!

It's maths, not math

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 15, 2013, 05:19:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 04:59:35 PM

Maloney is exactly sort of signing we could and should make - premier experience and good age for a few seasons would do a lovely playmaking job. Bringing him Barry and milner back would round off summer nicely. Add couple of Belgian defenders and saviola ince and hopper with harper as back up gk then i think would be comfortable top half team.

You simply do not live on Planet Lambo. Under any other manager, your suggestions might be plausible. (BTW Harper is signing for Hull and Steer is Villa's back up GK.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 15, 2013, 05:44:04 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 12:19:28 PM

Quote from: andyh on July 15, 2013, 12:15:19 PM

Richard Dunne signs for QPR !!!

I'm amazed he passed a medical.

as much pie and mash you can eat in a minute

That would be West Ham. It'd take him half a day to travel from Shepherds Bush to Mile End Road in London traffic. Poland's national dish is easier to get in W12.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 05:50:53 PM

Swap Maloney with Bannan. Add some Dundee cake to seal the deal.
Who do you think will have the bigger beer beslly at 45?

Title: shaun maloney
Post by: villalion on July 15, 2013, 06:12:55 PM

Just heard he might be comin back to vp... do we want him?

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:13:34 PM

ibtl

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: The Left Side on July 15, 2013, 06:14:05 PM

me too

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Slaphead on July 15, 2013, 06:14:11 PM

I think he can do a job but unless you have link saying it is imminent then this thread will be merged.

#imawannabemod

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: TheMalandro on July 15, 2013, 06:14:23 PM

here i am

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: TheSandman on July 15, 2013, 06:15:10 PM

(https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/41777/2581326-indiana_jones___in_before_the_lock.gif)

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2013, 06:17:40 PM

Cheese and pickle sandwiches.

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 15, 2013, 06:19:08 PM

Small revenge for Martinez, I suppose...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:20:12 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 05:50:53 PM

Swap Maloney with Bannan. Add some Dundee cake to seal the deal.
Who do you think will have the bigger beer beslly at 45?

A swap deal may suit both parties. I wouldn't play Maloney week in, week out, because some games we'll need someone more positionally disciplined but he's got the ability to find a pass and also produce something from nothing. Thrown one of BB or Delfouneso their way.

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:24:12 PM

Wibbble.

Bring back Milner! Bring back Barry!

Wibbble.

Etc.

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:25:27 PM

Can we get to two pages before thread oblivion?  8)

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2013, 06:27:49 PM

When does a player stop becoming 'Wee'?

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: spangley1812 on July 15, 2013, 06:28:07 PM

No

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: richl on July 15, 2013, 06:29:19 PM

boom

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2013, 06:29:29 PM

Nooooooooooo

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 15, 2013, 06:30:27 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:24:12 PM

Wibbble.

Bring back Milner! Bring back Barry!

Wibbble.

Etc.

Motherfucking wiiibble motherfucka!


He's 30 so Maloney has entered Lambert's blind spot.

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2013, 06:35:54 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

But he's still ickle and he's got the lil baby face.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 06:53:53 PM

Benteke can do one. I want Luc Castaignos or Alfred Finnbogason, please.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2013, 06:56:07 PM

I'm pretty sure Lambert played with him at Celtic so if he likes the cut of his jib then it could be a goer, despite the age thing. I'd be up for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 07:32:30 PM

Not for me, he's decent and he did well last year but I really don't want to go back to sign the better players from relegated teams.  I want to sign players who have a habit of winning.  Much better to sign the best players in a lower league than sign players who couldn't keep a team in the premier league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2013, 07:38:29 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 15, 2013, 01:45:05 AM

Must admit to being a bit worried about the quality of Swansea, Southampton and Norwich's signings. They're all highly-rated players from Europe, largely more highly-rated than our new lot (Okore excepted). I just hope Lambert isn't afraid of pushing the boat out now and then.

Swansea need to as we see so many clubs come unstuck when they are new to the Europa league (Newcastle last season). I don't think Swansea will plummet as I think they will do well in the Europa league so that will probably take them down a few places.

Yeah Norwich have signed some good players but this is still a team that had a dreadful second half of the season and you'd still expect them to be somewhere in the bottom 6.

I was really impressed by Southampton at times last season and Pochettino has good contacts abroad so I think they could be the surprise team this season and be top 10.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 15, 2013, 07:41:01 PM

I'm with DanLanza - except why not have both .....?

Luc Castaignos and Alf Finnabogason.

That would use up the money from one of Benteke's legs - the other one can be spent on the Japanese lad from Nurnberg and someone like Chadli.

Hooray!

Title: Re: shaun maloney
Post by: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

i do respect you and your views even this one but i just wanna say no one on a forum or anywhere  else shud be telling someone else what they can or cant say. Unless its offensive or prejudice. You're not an authority on someone else's preference of calling maloney wee or otherwise. Thankyou.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: sonlyme on July 15, 2013, 07:41:01 PM

I'm with DanLanza - except why not have both .....?

Luc Castaignos and Alf Finnabogason.

That would use up the money from one of Benteke's legs - the other one can be spent on the Japanese lad from Nurnberg and someone like Chadli.

Hooray!

Both it is then and the Japanese lad for good measure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2013, 08:05:44 PM

If there's any credability in a link to castaignos I'd be very very happy with him.  Like Okore he's been fancied by a lot of big teams and did get a move to Inter but left after barely getting a kick.  The real advantage being that the experience will have warned against jumping at the first big club that comes calling.  The negative is that he might see us as a big club coming calling.

I can also see this as realistic (a lot more so than finbogason which i think is a non-starter) because he's quick, works hard and has really good technique, all things Lambert clearly values.

I think he'd be a good repalcement for Benteke, but I think he'd be a tough one to get.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 15, 2013, 08:08:01 PM

If we sign anyone over 25 years old
 I'll eat my sow'wester

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

i do respect you and your views even this one but i just wanna say no one on a forum or anywhere  else shud be telling someone else what they can or cant say. Unless its offensive or prejudice. You're not an authority on someone else's preference of calling maloney wee or otherwise. Thankyou.     

Do not call Shaun Maloney 'Wee'. It is Scottishist and unacceptable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 15, 2013, 08:19:53 PM

Its also heightist and offensive to vertically challenged citizens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 08:22:46 PM

I agree with posts above:

- a target man (Finnbogason seems the best bet I've seen)
- a pacy / strong forward option (eg Castaignos, Batshuayi type option)
- an attacking midfielder (eg Wijnaldum, Kiyotake, perhaps Maloney)

I'd still rather have Benteke. But I think something like this would be our best bet of replacing the level of threat he gave us. If Finnbogason could link up well with the pace of Weimann and Gabby, AND we could improve creativity through the middle, who knows we might even improve.

But the risks must be on the downside, both in terms of individual success and team shape.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 15, 2013, 08:25:30 PM

And, hur hur, it sounds a bit like stuff that, fner fner, comes out of your willy!

Team sheet announcements: urine, Shaun.

Training: Maloney, piss to Benteke! Oh, fair enough, he is now a big Yid/ Gooner/ Mowman.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2013, 08:41:35 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 15, 2013, 08:22:46 PM

I agree with posts above:

- a target man (Finnbogason seems the best bet I've seen)
- a pacy / strong forward option (eg Castaignos, Batshuayi type option)
- an attacking midfielder (eg Wijnaldum, Kiyotake, perhaps Maloney)

I'd still rather have Benteke. But I think something like this would be our best bet of replacing the level of threat he gave us. If Finnbogason could link up well with the pace of Weimann and Gabby, AND we could improve creativity through the middle, who knows we might even improve.

But the risks must be on the downside, both in terms of individual success and team shape.

I prefer the pacy/strong option to the target man option. Wiki says that Castaignos has been compared to Thierry Henry - that would do!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

Don't hold your breath. It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.
Like i said, don't hold your breath.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 15, 2013, 09:19:14 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

i do respect you and your views even this one but i just wanna say no one on a forum or anywhere  else shud be telling someone else what they can or cant say. Unless its offensive or prejudice. You're not an authority on someone else's preference of calling maloney wee or otherwise. Thankyou.     

Ha! That's you told Kelly, you've been we'll and truly owned or whatever it is 'the kids' say these days.

It is fucking stupid calling a (sort of) grown man 'wee' just because he's Scottish and a midget though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:22:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

Don't hold your breath. It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.
Like i said, don't hold your breath.

god bless us everyone

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 09:27:36 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 15, 2013, 07:50:25 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM

He's 30 so we should no longer refer to him as Wee Shaun Maloney. Only young boys and girls should be called 'wee'.

i do respect you and your views even this one but i just wanna say no one on a forum or anywhere  else shud be telling someone else what they can or cant say. Unless its offensive or prejudice. You're not an authority on someone else's preference of calling maloney wee or otherwise. Thankyou.     

Do not call Shaun Maloney 'Wee'. It is Scottishist and unacceptable.

OUI  OUI  :D on this forum I take my precedence from  mod. Thankyou

And the Ireland news is the best footy news ive heard all day

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

paper weight

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2013, 09:42:23 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

Don't ask. He deserves to be sent to Middlesborough, whether to play football or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

If Ireland thinks Birmingham is rubbish he's going to love Middlesbrough...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:50:29 PM

Quote from: London Villan on July 15, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

If Ireland thinks Birmingham is rubbish he's going to love Middlesbrough...

Yarm is a laugh

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 15, 2013, 10:08:55 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:50:29 PM

Quote from: London Villan on July 15, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

If Ireland thinks Birmingham is rubbish he's going to love Middlesbrough...

Yarm is a laugh

Agreed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 15, 2013, 10:35:45 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:22:56 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

Don't hold your breath. It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.
Like i said, don't hold your breath.

god bless us everyone

He's too stupid to find it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 15, 2013, 10:36:46 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

paper weight

The guess they could wrap him in a big brush and use him as some kind of industrial chimney sweep.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 15, 2013, 10:47:20 PM

[/quote]

I prefer the pacy/strong option to the target man option. Wiki says that Castaignos has been compared to Thierry Henry - that would do!
[/quote]
I could compare Grant Holt to Thierry Henry, doesn't mean he's anywhere near being in the same class

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2013, 10:55:52 PM

Quick, someone send Middlesbrough the video of Ireland's one good season at City.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2013, 11:29:28 PM

Quote from: johnny from donny on July 15, 2013, 10:47:20 PM

I prefer the pacy/strong option to the target man option. Wiki says that Castaignos has been compared to Thierry Henry - that would do!
[/quote]
I could compare Grant Holt to Thierry Henry, doesn't mean he's anywhere near being in the same class
[/quote]

Does look a talent though. Get Dempsey in with 24 ish million to play in behind the striker and buy this kid and the Icelandic guy and prove we can use the money to kick on, and then go to the lane and win 3-4 nil.

I will wake up now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 11:32:20 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2013, 10:55:52 PM

Quick, someone send Middlesbrough the video of Ireland's one good season at City.

and Chelsea game for us errrrrrr that is all

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2013, 01:11:35 AM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

He can buy a 4 bedroom detached house every week from his salary and still have money left over for a drag or two!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Caiphus on July 16, 2013, 01:25:12 AM

Every time someone talks about Finnbogason, I think: 'finger-bang orgasm.'

He must be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2013, 02:49:19 AM

I hope Lambert is prepared to pick up the odd, more experienced, player if they come along.  I agree with his blueprint to pick up a group of kids and get them to "grow together" a la Borrusia Dortmund but we don't have the same 75,000 crowds that they get to sustain the growth.  If we have to sell the likes of Benteke, I'd like Lambert to use the money to bring in the odd established player too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2013, 03:38:52 AM

I fail to see your rationale of linking crowd size with squad strategy?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2013, 04:21:42 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 16, 2013, 03:38:52 AM

I fail to see your rationale of linking crowd size with squad strategy?

You sound like a teacher :-)
Self sustainability with bigger crowds, as they provide a higher income, more so in England than in Germany, where I believe they don't pay as much to watch their football. My point is twofold: They are more likely to stay at Villa if we were a bigger club, getting bigger crowds. Secondly, that I want Lambert to break his own rules every now and then and bring in a more experienced player.  Just my thoughts at this ungodly hour!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2013, 08:36:14 AM

Dortmund lose their top players all the while though.

Unless you are Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Man United or with as much money as Chelsea and Man City, then you're vulnerable to losing your best players to other clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 16, 2013, 09:21:25 AM

Man United lost their best player in Ronaldo dont forget

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2013, 09:37:02 AM

And we were stronger in the seasons after selling Yorke and platt. But we didn't have a transfer deadline to deal with, which is my big concern.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2013, 10:09:32 AM

"Every time someone talks about Finnbogason, I think: 'finger-bang orgasm.'

He must be good. "

really? i only ever think of Finbarr Saunders. I hope this bloke is good in the hole. Fnnnarrrr fnarrr   gnnnukkkk gnnnukkkkkk

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2013, 10:31:53 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 15, 2013, 11:32:20 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2013, 10:55:52 PM

Quick, someone send Middlesbrough the video of Ireland's one good season at City.

and Chelsea game for us errrrrrr that is all

He did win player of the season under Mcshit or was that sarcasm?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 16, 2013, 12:06:55 PM

He was the best player on the pitch against Hereford

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 16, 2013, 12:46:27 PM

Quote from: Caiphus on July 16, 2013, 01:25:12 AM

Every time someone talks about Finnbogason, I think: 'finger-bang orgasm.'

He must be good.

Do you stay up late at night watching Eurosport just in case he's mentioned?  It's a step up from Live TV's Topless Darts I guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 16, 2013, 01:20:17 PM

Where have these Luc Castaignos etc links come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2013, 01:21:30 PM

I have never heard of him or seen him play, but a quick look at that Alfreð Finnbogason stats show that he knows where the back of the net is!

Not the biggest though, only six foot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 16, 2013, 01:22:33 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 16, 2013, 01:21:30 PM

I have never heard of him or seen him play, but a quick look at that Alfreð Finnbogason stats show that he knows where the back of the net is!

So do Darren Bent's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2013, 01:33:19 PM

They do indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2013, 01:40:23 PM

So do Benteke's. Point being that their strike rate is a good first indicator and then you can do more in-depth analysis to see how involved they would be in the style of play we want to use.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 16, 2013, 06:46:36 PM

Have we actually been linked with Finnbogason or Castaignos?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2013, 06:48:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 16, 2013, 06:46:36 PM

Have we actually been linked with Finnbogason or Castaignos?

Don't think so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 16, 2013, 06:55:48 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

They will make him wear a fleh coloured turtleneck - and use him as a demo model in school sex education.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 16, 2013, 07:09:16 PM

Quote from: Des Little on July 16, 2013, 12:46:27 PM

Quote from: Caiphus on July 16, 2013, 01:25:12 AM

Every time someone talks about Finnbogason, I think: 'finger-bang orgasm.'

He must be good.

Do you stay up late at night watching Eurosport just in case he's mentioned?  It's a step up from Live TV's Topless Darts I guess.

No its not!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2013, 09:15:15 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2013, 06:48:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 16, 2013, 06:46:36 PM

Have we actually been linked with Finnbogason or Castaignos?

Don't think so.

By Nursey in the Mirror. As hacks go,  think he's more reliable than many, especially in terms of Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 16, 2013, 09:17:13 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2013, 06:48:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 16, 2013, 06:46:36 PM

Have we actually been linked with Finnbogason or Castaignos?

Don't think so.

I have no idea who they are either but then again on 16th july 2012 I'd never heard of Christian Benteke either.

Would much rather we went back in for the Japanese bloke from Nuremburg when we have more money to play with, we do actually need some goals from central midfield next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2013, 09:26:23 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 16, 2013, 09:15:15 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2013, 06:48:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 16, 2013, 06:46:36 PM

Have we actually been linked with Finnbogason or Castaignos?

Don't think so.

By Nursey in the Mirror. As hacks go,  think he's more reliable than many, especially in terms of Villa.

I think this is the article in question but it's not written by James Nursey. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/christian-benteke-transfer-aston-villa-2050563)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2013, 11:13:04 PM

Hutton to Mallorca on a permanent deal would be nice *cough*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2013, 11:46:25 PM

We had a scout watching Finnbogason in most of the games he played last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2013, 12:13:27 AM

I get the feeling we will sign 2 forwards if Benteke and Bent go. Would not be surprised to see us go after the lad at Liege who I can't spell but looks like a clone of Benteke and Lukaku. Swansea were in, and looking at him on youtube he looks very similar to Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2013, 12:16:05 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2013, 11:13:04 PM

Hutton to Mallorca on a permanent deal would be nice *cough*

Wonder if Club 18-30 are still looking for club reps at this stage of the summer?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2013, 12:22:52 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2013, 11:46:25 PM

We had a scout watching Finnbogason in most of the games he played last season.

Blimey, bob-a-job week was a bit different in my day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 17, 2013, 03:09:00 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 17, 2013, 12:22:52 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on July 16, 2013, 11:46:25 PM

We had a scout watching Finnbogason in most of the games he played last season.

Blimey, bob-a-job week was a bit different in my day.

Very good PWS

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 17, 2013, 03:30:48 AM

St Johnstone midfield man Murray Davidson is attracting more interest from clubs down south.

It was thought he might move on during the January transfer window but no bids were made and he has knocked back a new deal at Saints.

However, Davidson is out of contract at the end of this season and Aston Villa are one of the clubs believed to be monitoring him.





just website shit knocking about

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2013, 07:43:17 AM

Quote from: SirSteveUK on July 16, 2013, 06:55:48 PM

Quote from: Ian J on July 15, 2013, 09:40:16 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 15, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

It is reported on SSN that Middlesborough want Stephen Ireland.

Whatever for?

They will make him wear a fleh coloured turtleneck - and use him as a demo model in school sex education.

By far the most practical solution to the Stephen Ireland problem I've seen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 17, 2013, 07:57:41 AM

From ac Milan to aston villa?? out of contract midfielder mat flamini who has unfinished business in premier league is open to a return to play for English clubs. The midfield master would be an attractive addition to clubs who want to add a premier experience player of quality. Aston Villa are one of the clubs believed (in my head) to be chasing his signature. Oh this is just speculation shit i knocked out! He would be a great signing to hold midfield together though !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 17, 2013, 08:16:31 AM

And he'd be happy to draw 30k per week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 17, 2013, 08:42:52 AM

And he is 29.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 17, 2013, 09:03:39 AM

From the Sun via Twitter.

Paul Lambert is chasing 27 year old Lyon striker Bafetimbi Gomis who is rated at £7M. (The Sun)

Decent player but comes across as a bit of a gobshite, so can't see it meself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tom jennings III on July 17, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Quote from: mr woo on July 17, 2013, 09:03:39 AM

From the Sun via Twitter.

Paul Lambert is chasing 27 year old Lyon striker Bafetimbi Gomis who is rated at £7M. (The Sun)

Decent player but comes across as a bit of a gobshite, so can't see it meself.

This was just on SSN, 16 league goals last season in France, looks pretty decent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on July 17, 2013, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on July 17, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Quote from: mr woo on July 17, 2013, 09:03:39 AM

From the Sun via Twitter.

Paul Lambert is chasing 27 year old Lyon striker Bafetimbi Gomis who is rated at £7M. (The Sun)

Decent player but comes across as a bit of a gobshite, so can't see it meself.

This was just on SSN, 16 league goals last season in France, looks pretty decent.

why does that name ring a bell ?  was he being chased by Arsenal at some point ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:14:56 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on July 17, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Quote from: mr woo on July 17, 2013, 09:03:39 AM

From the Sun via Twitter.

Paul Lambert is chasing 27 year old Lyon striker Bafetimbi Gomis who is rated at £7M. (The Sun)

Decent player but comes across as a bit of a gobshite, so can't see it meself.

This was just on SSN, 16 league goals last season in France, looks pretty decent.

France !!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 10:26:29 AM

Quote from: Dr Butler on July 17, 2013, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: tom jennings III on July 17, 2013, 09:57:33 AM

Quote from: mr woo on July 17, 2013, 09:03:39 AM

From the Sun via Twitter.

Paul Lambert is chasing 27 year old Lyon striker Bafetimbi Gomis who is rated at £7M. (The Sun)

Decent player but comes across as a bit of a gobshite, so can't see it meself.

This was just on SSN, 16 league goals last season in France, looks pretty decent.

why does that name ring a bell ?  was he being chased by Arsenal at some point ?

Yes he was linked with several clubs over the last few years.

Part of me feels that at 27, he would have got his move by now if he was up to it. Or maybe he has just been happy enough at Lyon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2013, 10:34:08 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 10:26:29 AM

Part of me feels that at 27, he would have got his move by now if he was up to it. Or maybe he has just been happy enough at Lyon.

Lyon tried to sell him to Swansea earlier in the summer for financial reasons but he rejected the move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:35:10 AM

The only decent thing in France is Carl Froome. Oh, and Formely known as Bert English, of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 17, 2013, 10:37:35 AM

Lyon are looking to move him on for financial reasons, their next debt payment comes due soon, and they are looking to cut their wage bill (sound familiar?).  He didn't travel on the pre season tour of the US because of this, and the Lyon president has come out in the press criticising him for turning down moves to Swansea and Cardiff. 

He looks a strong player, sometimes a bit ungainly but good touch, and a fairish shot, but not as commanding in the air as Benteke.  He is also not the type to beat defenders with the ball at his feet he prefers service... so possibly not what Lambert will be looking for if we are still moving Bent on. 

File under Press bollox.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:45:19 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 17, 2013, 10:37:35 AM

Lyon are looking to move him on for financial reasons, their next debt payment comes due soon, and they are looking to cut their wage bill (sound familiar?).  He didn't travel on the pre season tour of the US because of this, and the Lyon president has come out in the press criticising him for turning down moves to Swansea and Cardiff. 

He looks a strong player, sometimes a bit ungainly but good touch, and a fairish shot, but not as commanding in the air as Benteke.  He is also not the type to beat defenders with the ball at his feet he prefers service... so possibly not what Lambert will be looking for if we are still moving Bent on. 

File under Press bollox.

Financial problems ? Then they go on a tour of the U.S ? Must be skint then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 17, 2013, 10:54:35 AM

Estimated 25m euros.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 11:22:42 AM

I had a quick snoop on wikipedia, it seems Gomis doesn't have a squad number for this season.

Surely he would be looking for mental wages though?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 11:44:16 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 11:22:42 AM

I had a quick snoop on wikipedia, it seems Gomis doesn't have a squad number for this season.

Surely he would be looking for mental wages though?

According to reports he's on about £50-55k a week at Lyon so it depends if he's looking to up that.  Fee looks to be 8-9m as well so big fee and wages for a player I'm not convinced would fit in with us and given he only has a year on his contract the fee looks a bit high considering how eager they are to sell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 17, 2013, 11:46:21 AM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 11:22:42 AM

I had a quick snoop on wikipedia, it seems Gomis doesn't have a squad number for this season.

Surely he would be looking for mental wages though?

We may be able to offset his wages with the departure already of Dunne and likely departure of Bent.
I dunno, I get the impression that if we had it in the budget we may have had one or two more established players. If Lambert is looking at him, then it's probably because Gomis is cut price. 7 million is a bargain for someone with his goal record (particularly last two seasons) at a good level.
It's unlikely, but with Benteke and Bent both possibly on the way out, he may want a name in that will make people take notice. Not that I expect Lambo would cloy to fans and press. I don't think he'd be on crazy wages at Lyon either. We get Bent out, who's on 80ish. Bring in Gomis on 50-60ish??

That said I'd prefer another Lambert mystery package.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 17, 2013, 12:03:28 PM

He's only got 12 months left on his contract and having told him he's not playing next season, so I think we could play the waiting game and maybe get that figure down a little further.  Like I say though I don't really see him as a Lambertesque signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 17, 2013, 12:09:46 PM

He probably turned down Swansea and Cardiff because of his wages. I reckon Lyon will try and sell him eastwards for more wonga.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2013, 12:15:19 PM

This reads the same as the Belhanda situation. We're (probably) not interested in him and the club are using our name to get a bit of publicity that they're looking to sell him. We may well have already raised the names of his top targets but Lambert's shown he can also find a gem out of nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2013, 12:34:48 PM

With regard to the Maloney rumour, I'd be quite happy to see him back. Granted, he'd probably be on higher wages than we'd like to pay, but I'd imagine his fee would be low given his age.

He really was top-drawer during the second half of last-season, and his set-piece delivery alone would improve our squad. Can play out-wide, or in the number 10 role that we seem to be looking for. I'm extremely surprised that he's not already an Everton player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 12:48:30 PM

Gomis' goal record has been 1 in 3 in French football. I'm not sure how keen I'd be on pushing the boat out on him.

I'd be more excited by those 2 younger lads in the Dutch league, who's names I'm not going to even attempt to spell - one is Icelandic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 17, 2013, 12:34:48 PM

With regard to the Maloney rumour, I'd be quite happy to see him back. Granted, he'd probably be on higher wages than we'd like to pay, but I'd imagine his fee would be low given his age.

He really was top-drawer during the second half of last-season, and his set-piece delivery alone would improve our squad. Can play out-wide, or in the number 10 role that we seem to be looking for. I'm extremely surprised that he's not already an Everton player.

A bit like Wigan, he only seems to perform for a couple of months a season. He's 30 now. I think it would be a backward step. I'd much prefer us to take a chance on the Japanese lad at Nuremburg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 17, 2013, 01:05:54 PM

Is Castaignos the fella that's been at Inter for a few years but hasn't kicked a ball?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2013, 01:07:40 PM

I think Michy Batshuayi and Alfred  Finnbogason are the two Dutch league players referred to earlier. Swansea have bid once for Batshuayi but were knocked back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 01:12:48 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 17, 2013, 12:49:53 PM

Quote from: RussellC on July 17, 2013, 12:34:48 PM

With regard to the Maloney rumour, I'd be quite happy to see him back. Granted, he'd probably be on higher wages than we'd like to pay, but I'd imagine his fee would be low given his age.

He really was top-drawer during the second half of last-season, and his set-piece delivery alone would improve our squad. Can play out-wide, or in the number 10 role that we seem to be looking for. I'm extremely surprised that he's not already an Everton player.

A bit like Wigan, he only seems to perform for a couple of months a season. He's 30 now. I think it would be a backward step. I'd much prefer us to take a chance on the Japanese lad at Nuremburg.

Yeah for me kiyotake, eriksen and to an extent hughes would all be higher up the list for me, there's probably more as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 01:15:14 PM

Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 17, 2013, 01:05:54 PM

Is Castaignos the fella that's been at Inter for a few years but hasn't kicked a ball?

1 season - left and went to Twente to replace Luc de Jong last summer.  Before he went to inter he was linked with just about everyone in europe.  He's a very good footballer, lots of comparisons to Henry who similarly failed to settle in Italian football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richie on July 17, 2013, 01:53:58 PM

http://youtu.be/7mdFGIzXFPc

Looks like he could do a decent job to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 17, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

Gomis: not much cop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 17, 2013, 02:06:30 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 01:15:14 PM

Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 17, 2013, 01:05:54 PM

Is Castaignos the fella that's been at Inter for a few years but hasn't kicked a ball?

1 season - left and went to Twente to replace Luc de Jong last summer.  Before he went to inter he was linked with just about everyone in europe.  He's a very good footballer, lots of comparisons to Henry who similarly failed to settle in Italian football.

has he got the all round game of Terry Henry though?  The clips on Youtube suggest he's a fox in the box type.  I hope that is simply because they're only showing the goals and he also has game outside of the six yard box.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 17, 2013, 02:54:51 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 17, 2013, 08:42:52 AM

And he is 29.

so was clive dempsey who we made a move on last summer window flamini another proven taken so think similar reasoning to move for like demspey last season. And on Gomis can be very effective striker relies on service can plays  as 1 striker and would be a replacement for benteke rather than addition. I dont think we are really after gomis despite reports Lambert has other targets perhaps media or anyone would not know so well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 02:59:55 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 17, 2013, 02:06:30 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 17, 2013, 01:15:14 PM

Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 17, 2013, 01:05:54 PM

Is Castaignos the fella that's been at Inter for a few years but hasn't kicked a ball?

1 season - left and went to Twente to replace Luc de Jong last summer.  Before he went to inter he was linked with just about everyone in europe.  He's a very good footballer, lots of comparisons to Henry who similarly failed to settle in Italian football.

has he got the all round game of Terry Henry though?  The clips on Youtube suggest he's a fox in the box type.  I hope that is simply because they're only showing the goals and he also has game outside of the six yard box.

Not seen enough of him but the twente fans think he's a bit special, he joined inter as a 19/20 year old and was eyed up by most of the top sides in europe before they got him.  From what I've been told he's very quick, has quick feet to get away from players and is happy to shot on sight from either foot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2013, 03:23:16 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2013, 01:07:40 PM

I think Michy Batshuayi and Alfred  Finnbogason are the two Dutch league players referred to earlier. Swansea have bid once for Batshuayi but were knocked back.

Alfred  Finnbogason's president is on record to turning down a bid, I think from a German club, stating he wants €5m (£4m). I'm surprised at that price, given the number of Premier League clubs that have been tracking him, nobody has made a bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sonlyme on July 17, 2013, 03:25:57 PM

Just as we get rid of a load of self important layabouts on 50 to 60k a week - some think getting the barely adequate Bomis in on the same would be good. 

It's not just that he isn't good enough.  It is that he is of the same ilk as Benteke.  Me me me.  Money now. Me.

A big head on big wages is not what our team needs - we need people who will muck in and bond and feel part of something - and then maybe - we can get a little taste of success.

Young talent is the way.

May I recommend this excellent article on the types we should get to replace Benteke the Badgekisser

http://www.myoldmansaid.com/potential-players-replace-benteke-transfer/ (http://www.myoldmansaid.com/potential-players-replace-benteke-transfer/)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2013, 03:43:38 PM

That Michy lad, Finbogosson and Cast....... nos kid all look just like the sort we now target. I would like 2 of them ideally when Benteke goes, but Finbogosson for 5 million does look a steal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2013, 04:04:39 PM

Clive Dempsey sounds like a 1950s detective.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2013, 04:17:01 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2013, 04:04:39 PM

Clive Dempsey sounds like a 1950s detective.

He'd be lethal alongside Makepiece.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: E I Adio on July 17, 2013, 04:25:58 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2013, 04:17:01 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2013, 04:04:39 PM

Clive Dempsey sounds like a 1950s detective.

He'd be lethal alongside Makepiece.

Especially if he was with his dad Jack.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 17, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Just read in the London Evening Standard that Christian Benteke is expected to rejoin training tomorrow at Villa. Wonder how London newspaper is ITK?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2013, 05:57:01 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 17, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Just read in the London Evening Standard that Christian Benteke is expected to rejoin training tomorrow at Villa. Wonder how London newspaper is ITK?

Um, they're reporting that they are somebody who is scheduled to turn up for work is expected to turn up for work.

It's not really a news story.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2013, 06:01:31 PM

I think everyone knows he's expected to show tomorrow. The article would be more useful if it told us whether he was/wasn't going to. I imagine he will and that will mean there will need to be a meeting between Lambert and Benteke for them to discuss how things are going to proceed from hereon out. Or at least our view of it - he and his agent may have different ideas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2013, 06:01:32 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

I think that history has demonstrated quite well that different people choose to interpret Islam (and other religions) quite differently and to varying levels of fervour.

The only issue that I have with Cisse's stance is that he didn't really seem to have an issue with how his faith feels about the concept of interest on money when they were sponsored last season by one of the biggest banks in the country.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2013, 06:02:05 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2013, 05:57:01 PM

Quote from: baddowvillans on July 17, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Just read in the London Evening Standard that Christian Benteke is expected to rejoin training tomorrow at Villa. Wonder how London newspaper is ITK?

Um, they're reporting that they are somebody who is scheduled to turn up for work is expected to turn up for work.

It's not really a news story.

They're reporting that the Standard is actually Christian Benteke? News to me!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 17, 2013, 06:03:32 PM

I've read Hutton back to Majorca on permanent deal. Anyone heard owt?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2013, 06:15:21 PM

Can't see it, Mallorca won't be able to afford him full time as they're in the Segunda now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 17, 2013, 06:23:46 PM

I know it doesn't mean a lot but I would at least see him at training and give Lambert the chance to start sowing the seeds that just maybe his agent and Spuds have Potentially left him exposed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2013, 06:35:49 PM

people on other Villa forums suggesting Hutton has signed and vastly reduced terms with no transfer fee involved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2013, 06:45:21 PM

Good news on Hutton if true. How long left on his contract? Two years?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 06:56:11 PM

Any deal with Benteke for Spurs should involve them taking Hutton back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on July 17, 2013, 07:04:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 06:56:11 PM

Any deal with Benteke for Spurs should involve them taking Hutton back.

Now this is what I call negotiation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 17, 2013, 07:08:20 PM

I'd put in a clause where Spurs and anybody connected with them, have to walk into an active volcano.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2013, 07:33:33 PM

Suddenly a deal looks quite attractive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 17, 2013, 07:43:49 PM

From The Irish Lions Facebook page:
According to French Football News Aston Villa have made an enquiry for Jimmy Briand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Briand

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

Not really. I'm working with two Muslims at the moment. The one is struggling with fasting during Ramadan but sticking to it like his life depends on it, the other couldn't give a flying f#ck and is eating and drinking as much as ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 08:21:12 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

Not really. I'm working with two Muslims at the moment. The one is struggling with fasting during Ramadan but sticking to it like his life depends on it, the other couldn't give a flying f#ck and is eating and drinking as much as ever.

There is more to do with it.He was quite happy to have Virgin money on the shirt.Now the last time I looked they charged interest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 17, 2013, 08:22:38 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

Not really. I'm working with two Muslims at the moment. The one is struggling with fasting during Ramadan but sticking to it like his life depends on it, the other couldn't give a flying f#ck and is eating and drinking as much as ever.

I've found sometimes throughout my working life not just with Muslim folk but in general that sometimes people just want to stomp their feet and play silly sods. If it's all about his religion then fair enough, but sometimes religion is a bit of feeble excuse for acting like a petulant kid. I remember one lad all of a sudden deciding that he didn't want to handle the alcohol at work. Never mind the fact he'd worked here for a year to that point and never had an issue (and none of the other muslim staff did either) but because he was lazy sod he decided that one less job he'd have to do around store would be ideal. Because he was told in no uncertain terms to get on with his bloody job he caused a bit stink about it. A big stink no one really paid any attention to. He ended up a month or so later getting the boot for be a lazy sod, and then telling the manager that Allah was gonna fuck him up.

I'm not entirely sure if Papiss genuinely has a problem or not or if he just wants to try and get a move. After all his second season was very average and Newcastle went from European chasing to relegation threatened. Being he's a footballer I have to lean toward my more cynical conclusion, which is the latter. He can't be that naive to believe that football doesn't have a wealth of money coming in from gambling, banks, loans etc. There's hundreds of sponsors in European football that could conceivably be against his religion, or other religions. Then there's all the beer sponsors too.

Oh and I wouldn't want him here. Big wages, older than we'd want and a moaner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 17, 2013, 08:41:41 PM

Usually, Bent for Cisse would now be so obvious esp with Benteke moving out. Times be strange.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 10:12:08 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 08:21:12 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 17, 2013, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Richard E on July 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 17, 2013, 04:28:57 PM

Cisse?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

Cost a fair bit of Wonga no doubt.

We're sponsored by a gambling company.

None of Newcastle's other Muslim players have an issue with it. Would it be really cynical of me to wonder whether there is more to this than meets the eye? 

Not really. I'm working with two Muslims at the moment. The one is struggling with fasting during Ramadan but sticking to it like his life depends on it, the other couldn't give a flying f#ck and is eating and drinking as much as ever.

There is more to do with it.He was quite happy to have Virgin money on the shirt.Now the last time I looked they charged interest.

Well Bert I don't have access to his inner most thoughts but there is a hell (pardon the pun as I am atheist) of a difference between lending at a (quite) fair and reasonable rate at least to cover costs + and the legalised loan sharks 'service' that is directly against the Jesus character's actions in the Bible and this is reflected in the Qu'ran.

FWIW I'd like to see a huge overhaul in Financial Service - Wonga and the like only exist because the professional gamblers in CoL fucked up big style but are oh so 'talented' and are friends with the colluding buffoons who masquerade as elected politicians.

I bought a new mobile at Christmas - the lady in Carphone W/H tried to sneakily sell me insurance I didn't ask for/want/need. Then offered me a shoddy cover - I need one being a clumsy fupper - for £18. I laughed and they offered it me for £12. I went the Bull Ring and got one from a Muslim lad - £7 much better quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2013, 10:17:10 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

Hands up anyone that did not see that one coming.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2013, 10:20:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

Look everybody. Dan's got another one wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 10:26:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2013, 10:20:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

Look everybody. Dan's got another one wrong.

He didn't get banned did he? I thought he just did one.

Is Risso banned for good? What about Greg n Ash?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2013, 10:39:31 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 10:26:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2013, 10:20:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

Look everybody. Dan's got another one wrong.

He didn't get banned did he? I thought he just did one.

Is Risso banned for good? What about Greg n Ash?

Greg is stil posting under his other user name, Chris Smith. Chris created 'Greg' so that he could have a good and endless argument.  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2013, 10:40:36 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 10:26:20 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2013, 10:20:10 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

Look everybody. Dan's got another one wrong.

He didn't get banned did he? I thought he just did one.

Is Risso banned for good? What about Greg n Ash?

He was banned for his own good. Risso is banned for at least life, if not longer. Greg'n'Ash never existed. We made him up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2013, 10:49:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 17, 2013, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

No he has not. He will be back after his temporary ban. So there. ;D

I wouldn't be punting any of my hard-earned on that, Dan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 11:11:44 PM

Has Eastie been banned? Over-enthusiasm and using people's real names is hardly hangable is it?

Him, Risso, Fletcher, Nash...the lifeblood of H&V has drained a lot lately. :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2013, 11:20:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 11:11:44 PM

Has Eastie been banned? Over-enthusiasm and using people's real names is hardly hangable is it?

Him, Risso, Fletcher, Nash...the lifeblood of H&V has drained a lot lately. :-\

Fletch hasn't been banned.

Using people's names isnt hangable, no, but then again:

1. He hasn't been hanged.
2. He was asked more than once not to do the real names thing, and continued to do it, in fact, did it more.
3. There was a cacophony of people moaning to us about him. If you think we're worse off without him, then take it out on that lot *points at user base* it's their fault.
4. I liked Risso, too, but take a look at his last posts. They read like he was on a mission to get himself banned.

Hardly anyone ever gets banned on here, really, pretty much never, and even when they do, they usually get let back. That's a result of a massively hands-off approach to moderating.

It's disappointing when people do get banned that there's disappointed groaning about it, like we're some kind of Nazi cabal. The flip side of this being such a liberal, largely self governing place is that sometimes you just need to let us get on with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 17, 2013, 11:38:50 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 17, 2013, 09:46:59 PM

Eastie has joined Villa Talk.He started his own thread to say hello.Now that's an ITK.

It's the rule now on that shithole that you have to make an introduction thread. Unless he started another one on top of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 17, 2013, 11:42:15 PM

We should start dishing out bans to anyone who starts another Martin O Neill thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 11:51:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2013, 11:20:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 11:11:44 PM

Has Eastie been banned? Over-enthusiasm and using people's real names is hardly hangable is it?

Him, Risso, Fletcher, Nash...the lifeblood of H&V has drained a lot lately. :-\

Fletch hasn't been banned.

Using people's names isnt hangable, no, but then again:

1. He hasn't been hanged.
2. He was asked more than once not to do the real names thing, and continued to do it, in fact, did it more.
3. There was a cacophony of people moaning to us about him. If you think we're worse off without him, then take it out on that lot *points at user base* it's their fault.
4. I liked Risso, too, but take a look at his last posts. They read like he was on a mission to get himself banned.

Hardly anyone ever gets banned on here, really, pretty much never, and even when they do, they usually get let back. That's a result of a massively hands-off approach to moderating.

It's disappointing when people do get banned that there's disappointed groaning about it, like we're some kind of Nazi cabal. The flip side of this being such a liberal, largely self governing place is that sometimes you just need to let us get on with it.

Ok - Eastie seemed to be losing the plot so hence a temporary ban is in order. Maybe I missed some postings which justified an extended ban.

Risso - will have to look up his previous posts. Got any links? I'm a Trot that he used to make fun of him being a Thatcher worshipper.

G'A'Sh arguing continuosly with a mod is not worth a ban. Sorry. A heated discussion. The site is poorer for that one. Big fan of PWS too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 17, 2013, 11:52:15 PM

Liverpool battler Jay Spearing at 1.5mil is a cheap deal and worth while. Under 29, Young tenacious and European and prem experience. Could do a job and be a healthy competition to our midfield. I may be anti Liverpool but know a quality midfielder when see one reminds me of a poor mans milner, parker, gardner, or nolan minus the goals. Its granted less talented but with development would progress. Totally committed and always offers an effort defiantly in the young and hungry category.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 18, 2013, 12:00:19 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 17, 2013, 11:52:15 PM

Liverpool battler Jay Spearing at 1.5mil is a cheap deal and worth while. Under 29, Young tenacious and European and prem experience. Could do a job and be a healthy competition to our midfield. I may be anti Liverpool but know a quality midfielder when see one reminds me of a poor mans milner, parker, gardner, or nolan minus the goals. Its granted less talented but with development would progress. Totally committed and always offers an effort defiantly in the young and hungry category.

VK - this is not ironic or funny. You have to name a current 12 year old who will be the greatest ever footballer in 10 years time. Then, and only then we can make a fortune,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:01:27 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 17, 2013, 11:52:15 PM

Liverpool battler Jay Spearing at 1.5mil is a cheap deal and worth while. Under 29, Young tenacious and European and prem experience. Could do a job and be a healthy competition to our midfield. I may be anti Liverpool but know a quality midfielder when see one reminds me of a poor mans milner, parker, gardner, or nolan minus the goals. Its granted less talented but with development would progress. Totally committed and always offers an effort defiantly in the young and hungry category.

He reminds me of a poor man's chimney sweep child, from the Victorian era.

No offence, villa kicks, but you don't half champion some fucking awful footballers.

Does "Kevin Nolan minus the goals" even strike you as a thing to recommend a player for? Aren't the goals the single decent thing about Kevin Nolan? (Other than the fact he doesn't play for us, obviously)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2013, 12:03:12 AM

I was going to post what would be my introduction to Villa Talk. Something along the lines of "I got fed up jousting with intelligent people on H and V, so thought I'd come over and shoot te breeze with you morons instead".

Then I read villa kicks' post, and I bumped into emptiness and started to cry. Oh no.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:04:28 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 17, 2013, 11:51:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2013, 11:20:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 11:11:44 PM

Has Eastie been banned? Over-enthusiasm and using people's real names is hardly hangable is it?

Him, Risso, Fletcher, Nash...the lifeblood of H&V has drained a lot lately. :-\

Fletch hasn't been banned.

Using people's names isnt hangable, no, but then again:

1. He hasn't been hanged.
2. He was asked more than once not to do the real names thing, and continued to do it, in fact, did it more.
3. There was a cacophony of people moaning to us about him. If you think we're worse off without him, then take it out on that lot *points at user base* it's their fault.
4. I liked Risso, too, but take a look at his last posts. They read like he was on a mission to get himself banned.

Hardly anyone ever gets banned on here, really, pretty much never, and even when they do, they usually get let back. That's a result of a massively hands-off approach to moderating.

It's disappointing when people do get banned that there's disappointed groaning about it, like we're some kind of Nazi cabal. The flip side of this being such a liberal, largely self governing place is that sometimes you just need to let us get on with it.

Ok - Eastie seemed to be losing the plot so hence a temporary ban is in order. Maybe I missed some postings which justified an extended ban.

Risso - will have to look up his previous posts. Got any links? I'm a Trot that he used to make fun of him being a Thatcher worshipper.

G'A'Sh arguing continuosly with a mod is not worth a ban. Sorry. A heated discussion. The site is poorer for that one. Big fan of PWS too.

Thanks for the input.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:07:34 AM

Do you know the thing is doesn't matter what he looks like! But thing is he is a committed player like the others named i like this in a player. Compare spearing  to Ireland and he ain't awful he's a team player and Lambert would have him. He's better than Gary oneil but not kaka- who i know we won't get. Nolan always makes an effort his goals are coz of his know how and experience something spearing would get with regular premier league game time. Jo Jo shelvey too would have been a good move but he was obviously too much. For me spearing energy robust and team ethic would be welcome. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:09:50 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:07:34 AM

Do you know the thing is doesn't matter what he looks like! But thing is he is a committed player like the others named i like this in a player. Compare spearing  to Ireland and he ain't awful he's a team player and Lambert would have him. He's better than Gary oneil but not kaka- who i know we won't get. Nolan always makes an effort his goals are coz of his know how and experience something spearing would get with regular premier league game time. Jo Jo shelvey too would have been a good move but he was obviously too much. For me spearing energy robust and team ethic would be welcome. 

You're right, what he looks like doesn't really matter. His massive shitness, though, that does.

Also, better than Gary O'Neill but not as good as Kaka? Isn't that a description that fits about 90% of posters on this site?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 18, 2013, 12:10:30 AM

Every time I pop on and see a Villakicks post it has me in stitches. Fair play to you though son...every post seems like you're enjoying life and that's what its all about.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:11:04 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 18, 2013, 12:10:30 AM

Every time I pop on and see a Villakicks post it has me in stitches. Fair play to you though son...every post seems like you're enjoying life and that's what its all about.

That's a pretty good point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 18, 2013, 12:12:24 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:09:50 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:07:34 AM

Do you know the thing is doesn't matter what he looks like! But thing is he is a committed player like the others named i like this in a player. Compare spearing  to Ireland and he ain't awful he's a team player and Lambert would have him. He's better than Gary oneil but not kaka- who i know we won't get. Nolan always makes an effort his goals are coz of his know how and experience something spearing would get with regular premier league game time. Jo Jo shelvey too would have been a good move but he was obviously too much. For me spearing energy robust and team ethic would be welcome. 

You're right, what he looks like doesn't really matter. His massive shitness, though, that does.

Also, better than Gary O'Neill but not as good as Kaka? Isn't that a description that fits about 90% of posters on this site?

Big Belly laugh!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:19:04 AM

We shall see ! Spearing and altidore to name just two are wanted names that will go on to show themselves to be pleasant surprises as these are players who want to develop. Likes of kaka and saviola established players mentioned will be successful wherever they end up. Maloney and demspey too. These are skillfully players. Spearing is a grafter and coz football coaches trying to go all technical  they lose sight of honest pros like spearing who wouldn't shirk a tackle. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 18, 2013, 12:21:04 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:19:04 AM

We shall see ! Spearing and altidore to name just two are wanted names that will go on to show themselves to be pleasant surprises as these are players who want to develop. Likes of kaka and saviola established players mentioned will be successful wherever they end up. Maloney and demspey too. These are skillfully players. Spearing is a grafter and coz football coaches trying to go all technical  they lose sight of honest pros like spearing who wouldn't shirk a tackle. 

Yea Paulie, what have you got to say about that!?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:24:37 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 18, 2013, 12:21:04 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:19:04 AM

We shall see ! Spearing and altidore to name just two are wanted names that will go on to show themselves to be pleasant surprises as these are players who want to develop. Likes of kaka and saviola established players mentioned will be successful wherever they end up. Maloney and demspey too. These are skillfully players. Spearing is a grafter and coz football coaches trying to go all technical  they lose sight of honest pros like spearing who wouldn't shirk a tackle. 

Yea Paulie, what have you got to say about that!?

This:

*ten thousand yard stare*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2013, 12:26:17 AM

Spearing is bobbins. I hear his name and all I can think is that I'd fancy some chewing gum. I don't think he'd cut the mustard here to be honest, and in all honesty he'd probably come here expecting to walk into the first 11.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:28:06 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 18, 2013, 12:26:17 AM

Spearing is bobbins. I hear his name and all I can think is that I'd fancy some chewing gum. I don't think he'd cut the mustard here to be honest, and in all honesty he'd probably come here expecting to walk into the first 11.

The only thing I'd want Spearing walking into down here is the canal.

Oh, or the middle lane of the Expressway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2013, 12:30:27 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 12:28:06 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 18, 2013, 12:26:17 AM

Spearing is bobbins. I hear his name and all I can think is that I'd fancy some chewing gum. I don't think he'd cut the mustard here to be honest, and in all honesty he'd probably come here expecting to walk into the first 11.

The only thing I'd want Spearing walking into down here is the canal.

Oh, or the middle lane of the Expressway.

He's from Liverpool so we could tell him that everyone at the club is on holiday and there's no one in. If we leave Stephen Ireland in the ground somewhere, Spearing might steal him and we'll be shot of him.
Tee hee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 18, 2013, 12:44:48 AM

I find that offensive.

Liverpool, I mean.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2013, 12:47:00 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 18, 2013, 12:44:48 AM

I find that offensive.

Liverpool, I mean.

Apologies sir. I'll give myself 50 lashes of the cane for that one. It's either that or watching the McLeish season highlights vid, but a caning is probably less painful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2013, 12:50:31 AM

I am sorry VK, but the descriptor of better than Gary O'Neill but worse than Kaka has now had me in a constant state of laughter for a good 10 minutes. I is like saying he is bigger than a mouse, smaller than a blue whale FFS!


I am so glad you are not buying players for the Villa. If you were it would be like Barry Fry after a lottery win. 70 players and all would make a stinking loss on Bargain hunt 3 months later.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 18, 2013, 01:16:22 AM

Thing is VK, it doesn't matter how good a prospect Spearing is, the last thing we need right now is yet another emerging midfielder. He could be the next Fats Waller for all the difference it makes.

We have good up and coming midfielders coming out of our ears. We may well have a vacancy in central midfield, but that would be for someone who is much nearer at the level that Westwood, Delph, Sylla, Gardner, Carruthers  etc are aiming for.

I still can't work out where Bacuna fits in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 18, 2013, 01:26:07 AM

I'd genuinely be up for signing the next Fats Waller no matter the long term implication for our club,at least the music world would thank us for all time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 18, 2013, 01:27:57 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:19:04 AM

We shall see ! Spearing and altidore to name just two are wanted names that will go on to show themselves to be pleasant surprises as these are players who want to develop. Likes of kaka and saviola established players mentioned will be successful wherever they end up. Maloney and demspey too. These are skillfully players. Spearing is a grafter and coz football coaches trying to go all technical  they lose sight of honest pros like spearing who wouldn't shirk a tackle. 

Clive Dempsey is my prediction for next year's Ballon D'Or. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2013, 01:44:07 AM

I guess the upside of H&V's heavyweight losses is it gives the chance for young blood like VillaSonikKicks to come through. He's been a bit Barry Bannan so far - wayward and naive but there are glimpses of good there. Keep hold of him for the season and see how he develops. Would probably even have on the bench ahead of Herd. And Gary O'Neill of course. But not Kevin Nolan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hillbilly on July 18, 2013, 02:05:08 AM

VillaKicks, the following is a list of foods that may contain tartrazine, I suggest you avoid them:

-Desserts and sweets: ice cream, ice pops and popsicles, confectionery and hard candy (such as Gummy Bears, Peeps marshmallow treats, etc.), cotton candy, instant puddings and gelatin (such as Jell-O), cake mixes, pastries (such as Pillsbury pastries), custard powder, marzipan, biscuits and cookies.
-Beverages: soft drinks (such as Mountain Dew), energy and sports drinks, powdered drink mixes (such as Kool-Aid), fruit cordials, and flavored/mixed alcoholic beverages.
-Snacks: flavored corn chips (such as Doritos, nachos, etc.), chewing gum, popcorn (both microwave and cinema-popped), and potato chips.
-Condiments and spreads: jam, jelly (including mint jelly), marmalade, mustard, horseradish, pickles (and other products containing pickles such as tartar sauce and dill pickle dip), and processed sauces.
-Other processed foods: cereal (such as corn flakes, muesli, etc.), instant or "cube" soups), rices (like paella, risotto, etc.), noodles (such as some varieties of Kraft Dinner) and pureed fruit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: baddowvillans on July 18, 2013, 07:28:23 AM

More from the London rags. This mornings post say Villa will get tough with Spuds and demand a "massive" 25% sell on fee to reduce the fee for Benteke. Do these clowns seriously think that if they keep briefing the press they can so us over. I would have expected a sell one clause AS AN ADDITION to a large fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 18, 2013, 08:10:38 AM

My Mum and Dad had STs at Liverpool for over a decade.  And rated Spearing.....as one of the worst players they had seen at that time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 18, 2013, 08:23:52 AM

Jay Spearing is shorter than Barry Bannan. Impressive.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on July 18, 2013, 08:52:27 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2013, 11:20:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 17, 2013, 11:11:44 PM

Has Eastie been banned? Over-enthusiasm and using people's real names is hardly hangable is it?

Him, Risso, Fletcher, Nash...the lifeblood of H&V has drained a lot lately. :-\

Fletch hasn't been banned.

Using people's names isnt hangable, no, but then again:

1. He hasn't been hanged.
2. He was asked more than once not to do the real names thing, and continued to do it, in fact, did it more.
3. There was a cacophony of people moaning to us about him. If you think we're worse off without him, then take it out on that lot *points at user base* it's their fault.
4. I liked Risso, too, but take a look at his last posts. They read like he was on a mission to get himself banned.

Hardly anyone ever gets banned on here, really, pretty much never, and even when they do, they usually get let back. That's a result of a massively hands-off approach to moderating.

It's disappointing when people do get banned that there's disappointed groaning about it, like we're some kind of Nazi cabal. The flip side of this being such a liberal, largely self governing place is that sometimes you just need to let us get on with it.

Can Troy Eccles come back, please?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2013, 09:02:49 AM

Jay Spearing is useless, he might develop into a poor player but that's about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 09:14:19 AM

I didn't know the spearing Rhino was so small! Then that is why he hasn't been given too many furthers chances. Please i d rather have any insulting banter than being called Barry fry! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2013, 09:18:46 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 12:19:04 AM

We shall see ! Spearing and altidore to name just two are wanted names that will go on to show themselves to be pleasant surprises as these are players who want to develop. Likes of kaka and saviola established players mentioned will be successful wherever they end up. Maloney and demspey too. These are skillfully players. Spearing is a grafter and coz football coaches trying to go all technical  they lose sight of honest pros like spearing who wouldn't shirk a tackle. 

".....and then it nicked me fags so ah hoyed it into the sea, and it just bounced off some rocks, like"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2013, 09:19:41 AM

Spearing is a Championship player at best.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 18, 2013, 09:20:21 AM

Spearing tackles a lot like Scholes.  And his tackling is his best skill

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 18, 2013, 09:31:31 AM

I think Scarlet Johanssen should give me a bj. I'm better looking than the Elephant Man, but uglier than Brad Pitt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 18, 2013, 10:01:55 AM

Any ''ITK'' know if CB has shown up today?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 18, 2013, 10:07:07 AM

In the words of Jim Morrison 'He's a back door man'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2013, 10:27:01 AM

Spearing really is a terrible suggestion, he's shown nothing to suggest he can play anywhere near premier league level.

On top of that he's absolutely not the type of midfielder we need anyway, even if he was good.  We need someone with good feet and a bit of pace who can play midfield but also step forward and play as a '10' when we're on the ball.  The links to Belhanda and Kiyotake look/looked reasonable because they're the right type of player for what we need, Christian Eriksen is another, Will Hughes will develop the same way (in my opinion).  Add on a young right back as competition/backup (Sam Byram would be a big signing here, highly rated by everyone) and a replacement for Benteke (the names have all been listed before) and we're set.  You'd probably be spending the entire Benteke fee on the 3 of them but we'd have a very strong squad at that point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 18, 2013, 10:43:37 AM

The problem with signing a young up-and-coming right-back, like Byram, is that we already have a young player there who's doing an admirable job. All we're likely to do id stunt Byram's development by bringing him in as an understudy to Lowton.

Personally, I think we'll use Herd as cover for RB this year (Bacuna and Okore have also played there previously).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 18, 2013, 11:00:06 AM

I'd struggle to think of a more underwhelming signing for Villa than Jay Spearing. If you can only describe a player's qualities as being 'a battler' and 'doing a job'... steer well clear. Well clear. We have lads in the reserves who are far better footballers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 18, 2013, 11:04:20 AM

Plus, I couldn't handle us taking any of Liverpool's squad fillers off their hands and doing them a favour. I got into an extremely heated 'discussion' with a mate of mine, a Liverpool fan, on Saturday... 38 years old and I allowed myself to get wound up by the utter arrogance and smugness of his opinion. You'd think Liverpool were Barcelona. No thanks. They can keep Spearing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 11:06:26 AM

The market has tanked for top 4 cast-offs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 11:09:56 AM

I was thinking about the arrogance that Liverpool have re their cast offs (although Spurs are even worse) when someone mentioned on here the other day the way they'd make shit offers for Barry which usually consisted of not enough cash, plus Steve Finnan.

I'd totally forgotten about that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 11:10:40 AM

Ciaran Clark signing a new deal given the BREAKING NEWS!!!111!!!! treatment on SSN.

Not much happening today, then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2013, 11:17:11 AM

Quote from: bertlambshank on July 18, 2013, 10:07:07 AM

In the words of Jim Morrison 'He's a back door man'.

Five-to-one that he turns up ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 18, 2013, 11:19:38 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 11:10:40 AM

Ciaran Clark signing a new deal given the BREAKING NEWS!!!111!!!! treatment on SSN.

Not much happening today, then.

Surprised by this, how long did he have left on his old contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2013, 11:20:53 AM

Quote from: Miguelito on July 18, 2013, 11:19:38 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 11:10:40 AM

Ciaran Clark signing a new deal given the BREAKING NEWS!!!111!!!! treatment on SSN.

Not much happening today, then.

Surprised by this, how long did he have left on his old contract?

another year I think, fairly sure he signed a 4 year deal when Houllier was here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

If TSM was still here . Maybe Spearing would be a signing , thats how depressing it was.


Not any more  :) ;)   ;) 



shit like Spearing is not going to happen .     Let Small heath have him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 18, 2013, 11:27:48 AM

I thought he was signing/had signed for Real Madrid. Or Bolton, yes, that's it Bolton. Get them confused, they both wear white.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 18, 2013, 11:32:49 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 11:09:56 AM

I was thinking about the arrogance that Liverpool have re their cast offs (although Spurs are even worse) when someone mentioned on here the other day the way they'd make shit offers for Barry which usually consisted of not enough cash, plus Steve Finnan.

I'd totally forgotten about that.

Me too.

'£10m plus Finnan.'

No.

'£11m plus Finnan.'

No.

'£11.5m plus Finnan'.

No. And so on. What a dreadful summer that was. Still, at least Liverpool actually made bids, whereas Spurs seem to be thinking about making one, and nothing more than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 18, 2013, 11:46:58 AM

I was looking through some of my old articles recently and a load of them were from that summer 2008 period. I wrote this one about the protracted Gareth Barry saga:

Why can't all transfer deals go as smoothly as this?

Can we have a whip round and get some players transferred, please? This has been the longest, most drawn out, tedious load of bobbins close-season since football was first invented. It's been dominated by Big Four transfers, which we always knew it would be, but why the hell have they decided to be come so thrifty all of a sudden?

I know there's a credit crunch. I know an individual grain of rice now costs 76p. I know all footballers are worried about the plight of Zimbabwe, but dammit, can't we be a bit more selfish? I'm actually running a marathon in a couple of days, from the centre of New York to a point twenty-six miles outside New York. Not because there's an event on. Just because I'm being sponsored. I'm going to give the money to Rafa Benitez, so he can finally buy a player instead of window shopping. He's like those annoying people who come into shops or libraries, make you get everything off the shelves, umms-and-aahs and then decides he's supposed to be cutting back this month. You're only supposed to be boycotting the cream doughnuts, Rafa!

I'm sick of long, drawn-out transfer deals. Clubs are squabbling over pocket change like two kids fronting in the playground. They were usually the blockheaded ones who couldn't listen to reason. Then there were the weedy mates at the sides, snickering and chucking in random insults, safe in the knowledge that while they encourage the fight, they won't have to get involved. They go on to become football agents.

It's simple. I am sending the FA a flow chart of the perfect transfer deal. It begins:

Have you picked up telephone receiver? Y/N. If Y, then dial player's club. If N, pick up telephone or nobody will be able to hear you.

Has anybody answered? Y/N. If Y, say 'I would like to buy insert player's name here. Is he for sale?'. If N, hang up phone and dial again, while messing with Newton's cradle in club colours while sighing occasionally.

Is player for sale? Y/N. If Y, say 'Very well. How much would you like for insert player's name here?' If N, say 'I'm sorry I wasted your time. I promise you will never hear from me again over this matter.' Under no circumstances phone The Sun and tell them that the player cold-called you and sobbed about how he really wants to move to your club.

Have you been given a monetary figure? Y/N. If Y, say 'I will have to speak to my chairman. Thank you very much.' Hang up telephone. Under no circumstances shout 'Eighteen million for an overweight Welshman with a gimpy leg and a trial for sexual harrassment coming up!? You must be Radio Rental!' If N, hang up telephone. Transfer deal officially over. DO NOT RING AGAIN. Visit Beatles Experience now you have a spare afternoon.

Speak to chairman. Does he agree with the valuation? Y/N. If Y, ask him to submit a formal bid and contact his lawyers to finalise paperwork. Breathe sigh of relief. If N, do not ask chairman to go outside to public telephone box, shanghai first available teenager into phoning a tabloid, and get him to make up a story not even Jeffrey Archer would find convincing.

Has player signed for your club? Y/N. If Y, pose awkwardly behind player with club scarf and wait until the cameras have gone before lighting up biggest cigar in history. If N, it is not acceptable to be photographed at endless press conferences with an enigmatic but unmistakably smug grin in the sure knowledge that player will now be at loggerheads with his current manager, team-mates and board.

If all transfers followed that system, we'd be set for an exciting summer. I might try and solve world hunger next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: itbrvilla on July 18, 2013, 03:57:08 PM

As nice as it is to have some unknowns come in where we have no idea what to expect, I really think the squad will struggle again if we don't get more experience  and senior players in. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2013, 04:08:52 PM

Jay Spearing is like Kevin Nolan minus the goals. Or Stephen Hawking without the brains.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JR89 on July 18, 2013, 04:10:13 PM

Benteke did train today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2368437/Christian-Benteke-arrives-Aston-Villa-training.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 18, 2013, 04:40:38 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2013, 04:08:52 PM

Jay Spearing is like Kevin Nolan minus the goals. Or Stephen Hawking without the brains.

I would prefer Hawking in midfield to Spearing

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 18, 2013, 05:17:27 PM

Well there are reports Liverpool have agreed to sell home-grown star Jay Spearing to Blackburn Rovers £1.5million deal.

Boss Brendan Rodgers will let midfield dynamo Spearing leave and the Kop have struck a payment plan with Rovers.

Which ahve sparked these interesting comments on liverpool forum

"He can do better than Blackburn"

"He was Bolton's player of the season. Surely that's earnt him a gig at a higher level."

"Why aren't Bolton signing him?
Just been their best player. Young cheap and English. No risk for them.
I hope he gets picked up by a lower Prem team.
Would be great at Villa or Sunderland. "

"Was good at some games and was bad at some games.. Consistency was his huge issue and also the heavy weight of expectation to perform well as a local lad.. "

"He's a good Championship player, but he's never likely to be a good Premiership player, even if he could hold his own at a Norwich or Fulham."

"I think he's massively underrated by the football community, was class in some european games in defensive mid and proved he can hold his own at the top level. Whoever signs him I think will be getting a bargain."

"Hope the fact it is out there we will take 1.5 will alert other clubs and Spearing ends up somewhere better."


And some other things to note he played cameo against real madrid in champions league 4-0 drubbing. Hes played in FA CUP final

Dalgleish rated him and he has a wealth of football knowledge


and like liverpool fans have said Spearing is talented, passionate and can put older players (who liverpool paid 5-10 million for) to shame!!! he would do the same if he came to Villa !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 18, 2013, 05:22:33 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on July 18, 2013, 04:40:38 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2013, 04:08:52 PM

Jay Spearing is like Kevin Nolan minus the goals. Or Stephen Hawking without the brains.

I would prefer Hawking in midfield to Spearing

Me too. Apparently he has a great engine and is good at finding space.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I think we should sign Jens Caspersen, if we're talking about Liverpool players. He never gets a game but he's always seemed handy enough.

Obviously he's no Andrew Greaves - who is? - but could be worth a punt.

Don't know what you others think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 05:32:00 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 18, 2013, 05:22:33 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on July 18, 2013, 04:40:38 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2013, 04:08:52 PM

Jay Spearing is like Kevin Nolan minus the goals. Or Stephen Hawking without the brains.

I would prefer Hawking in midfield to Spearing

Me too. Apparently he has a great engine and is good at finding space.

For weeks on end he disappears into a black hole, though, like Barry used to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2013, 05:32:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I think we should sign Jens Caspersen, if we're talking about Liverpool players. He never gets a game but he's always seemed handy enough.

Their fans love him !!

He has got the great mix of a left leg and a right leg !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 05:39:44 PM

spurrzz fans think they will get Rooney . ffs

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on July 18, 2013, 05:41:02 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 05:39:44 PM

spurrzz fans think they will get Rooney . ffs

A busted flush they are made for each other.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 18, 2013, 05:44:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I think we should sign Jens Caspersen, if we're talking about Liverpool players. He never gets a game but he's always seemed handy enough.

Obviously he's no Andrew Greaves - who is? - but could be worth a punt.

Don't know what you others think.

Good shout, spent last season on loan in the Belgium Hoofklasse with VVK Groort and topped the assist table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on July 18, 2013, 06:16:57 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 18, 2013, 05:44:45 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I think we should sign Jens Caspersen, if we're talking about Liverpool players. He never gets a game but he's always seemed handy enough.

Obviously he's no Andrew Greaves - who is? - but could be worth a punt.

Don't know what you others think.

Good shout, spent last season on loan in the Belgium Hoofklasse with VVK Groort and topped the assist table.

I saw him in a youth game in Southport about 5 years ago. His Dad was next to us and was really excited with his prospects since Liverpool (or maybe it was Everton) had picked him out at Schoolboy level. To be honest, I had forgotten about him until now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 18, 2013, 06:58:52 PM

Didn't McLeish try to sign him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on July 18, 2013, 07:08:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 18, 2013, 06:58:52 PM

Didn't McLeish try to sign him?

I seem to remember something with Houllier. Probably the Liverpool connection.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 18, 2013, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

If TSM was still here . Maybe Spearing would be a signing , thats how depressing it was.


Not any more  :) ;)   ;) 



shit like Spearing is not going to happen .     Let Small heath have him.

Spearing is bollocks. We have enough of those.

That said 'Villa Kicks' is well sick. Probably about 4 years out of date with that description. He is like the site mascot giving us old and even older cynical cronies positve hell with his enthusiasm. Keep up the good work Lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 18, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 18, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I think we should sign Jens Caspersen, if we're talking about Liverpool players. He never gets a game but he's always seemed handy enough.

Obviously he's no Andrew Greaves - who is? - but could be worth a punt.

Don't know what you others think.

His name is too close to The Other Lot's most famous fan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 18, 2013, 08:08:18 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on July 18, 2013, 07:08:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 18, 2013, 06:58:52 PM

Didn't McLeish try to sign him?

I seem to remember something with Houllier. Probably the Liverpool connection.

Shudder.

Imaginery conversation between King Kenny and Houlliverpoolier if he had not nearly croaked

KK '..We'd like to put a bid in for Downing.'
GH 'Yes I agree he would be good for Liverpool as he is far too good for Aston Villa.'
KK 'Market rate is steep though - how about £16m?'
GH 'No No No. Too much. If it were any other club but Liverpool it would be £16m but as it is Liverpool I think only £10m is required.'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 08:44:15 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 18, 2013, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

If TSM was still here . Maybe Spearing would be a signing , thats how depressing it was.


Not any more  :) ;)   ;) 



shit like Spearing is not going to happen .     Let Small heath have him.

Spearing is bollocks. We have enough of those.

That said 'Villa Kicks' is well sick. Probably about 4 years out of date with that description. He is like the site mascot giving us old and even older cynical cronies positve hell with his enthusiasm. Keep up the good work Lad.

spearings makes Charlie Adam look like Iniesta    or even Barry B

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2013, 05:21:48 AM

Reports that Lyon have confirmed we have made an official approach for Gomis along with Newscastle

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 19, 2013, 08:47:48 AM

Gutted we missed out on Spearing.

Jens Caspersen is a good shout though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2013, 10:26:37 AM

Without wishing to come over all Villa Kicks here (assuming Benteke leaves) how about Peter Odemwingie as a cheap replacement.  Dodgy attitude but would provide guaranteed goals whilst Helenius finds his feet in the premier league.  He can also play as an inside forward which suggests he has an all round games too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2013, 10:28:35 AM

I don't really think Odewingie fits the attitude profile Lambert is looking for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2013, 10:30:53 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2013, 10:28:35 AM

I don't really think Odewingie fits the attitude profile Lambert is looking for.

No he doesn't but I'm not suggesting him as an integral part of the long term plan more a stepping stone to let Helenius improve his game (or Lambert to build a dossiers on other strikers).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 19, 2013, 10:33:31 AM

No tah Dante.  Massive tool

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2013, 10:38:58 AM

A player who pats his team badge one week and sits in another club's car park the next should be avoided.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 10:41:57 AM

Former Chelsea defender Michael Mancienne could come back to england after being axed by Hamburg - cheap deal?? could do a DM and cover defence

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2013, 10:47:03 AM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 19, 2013, 05:21:48 AM

Reports that Lyon have confirmed we have made an official approach for Gomis along with Newscastle

We've made an approach for Newcastle?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 19, 2013, 10:49:06 AM

Nah, on the occasion he wasn't out injured Mancienne was shocking for Hamburg.  When your replacement is Johan Djourou, you know you're doing something wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2013, 10:49:46 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 10:41:57 AM

Former Chelsea defender Michael Mancienne could come back to england after being axed by Hamburg - cheap deal?? could do a DM and cover defence

Now Mancienne is a player who really impressed me when he was younger. Can play CB or DM is quick, strong and good on the ball.

I haven't seen a lot of him since he went to Germany, but he's still only, what, 23ish?

It's not true what they say about you villa kicks. You're ok, really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 19, 2013, 10:51:18 AM

He's 25.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2013, 10:55:40 AM

I didn't rate Odemwhingee before his stunt, he only turned up for about 1 in 7 games. I scientifically figured that out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2013, 11:03:10 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

A drivers mate for Sylla?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 11:05:27 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

He found it hard to settle there and adjust to the german way and isnt the first to resist german ways.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2013, 11:09:44 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

I'm not so sure that he has. If anything reports are suggesting that Hamburg need to sell to raise some cash.

This is the most up-to-date news story on him from Google...

http://www.fanatix.com/news/video-english-ex-chelsea-defender-michael-mancienne-scores-brilliant-volley-for-hsv/127426/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 19, 2013, 11:11:07 AM

There isn't a player in our team I'd drop for Mancienne, even considering last season's horror show.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 11:45:43 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 11:05:27 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

He found it hard to settle there and adjust to the german way and isnt the first to resist german ways.

Like Winston Churchill you mean? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 11:47:21 AM

Quote from: GarethRDR on July 19, 2013, 11:11:07 AM

There isn't a player in our team I'd drop for Mancienne, even considering last season's horror show.

This. I think he's one of those who didn't knuckle down enough when he was a youngster. A lot was made of him and it may have gone to his head. I always had him down as similar to Sturridge, a little bit of the billy big bollocks syndrome.

I'd rather stick with Clark and Baker, let them develop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 19, 2013, 01:25:09 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 11:05:27 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

He found it hard to settle there and adjust to the german way and isnt the first to resist german ways.

Not so sure about that VK. I'd even eat cabbage if there were money in it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 19, 2013, 01:43:12 PM

Quote

He found it hard to settle there and adjust to the german way and isnt the first to resist german ways.

Bloody 'ell. Its not like he was plying his trade in China or Japan or Kazakhstan was it? Germany for gawd's sake. An hour's flight away. And a country with which we share a massive number of similarities (from cuisine to language to sporting preferences).

We shouldn't go near him. Failed at Chelsea. Failed at Wolves (relative). Failed at Hamburg.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2013, 02:35:18 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 19, 2013, 01:43:12 PM

Quote

He found it hard to settle there and adjust to the german way and isnt the first to resist german ways.

Bloody 'ell. Its not like he was plying his trade in China or Japan or Kazakhstan was it? Germany for gawd's sake. An hour's flight away. And a country with which we share a massive number of similarities (from cuisine to language to sporting preferences).

We shouldn't go near him. Failed at Chelsea. Failed at Wolves (relative). Failed at Hamburg.

Forum names...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2013, 04:48:19 PM

Mancienne isn't up to much at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 06:00:19 PM

So with Benteke staying, what do we reckon? 1-2 more signings?

Once we get Bent and 1-2 more off the books we can go for a good AM and perhaps a CH. Job done. But keeping Benteke is absolutely fantastic. Best signing we could make. He makes us tick. The new signings looks useful thus far, particularly Helenius.

I can see us pushing for the top 8 now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 19, 2013, 06:24:05 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 19, 2013, 06:00:19 PM

So with Benteke staying, what do we reckon? 1-2 more signings?

Once we get Bent and 1-2 more off the books we can go for a good AM and perhaps a CH. Job done. But keeping Benteke is absolutely fantastic. Best signing we could make. He makes us tick. The new signings looks useful thus far, particularly Helenius.

I can see us pushing for the top 8 now.

Do we have much money with out  Getting Bent Ireland Hutton off the books maybe benteke has been told we are bringing in some belgian players ??

does seem newcastle after gomis and not bent maybe he will stay tooo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 19, 2013, 06:47:05 PM

The only thing numbers wise we are truly short of is an alternative specialist right back. I like the sound of that Leeds lad. Not seen him play but Leeds fans around here really rate him.

Maybe a top bollocks centre mid, but that probably will depend upon shifting some of the unwanted few.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2013, 06:47:36 PM

Mancienne?

Jesus ... no thanks, not even on a free

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 06:58:00 PM

I'm happy to go with what we have. There's no signing we could get who'd have given us what Benteke can. And I suppose we do have N'Zogbia on the books still, who could still offer something.

If we can somehow flog 3-4, we might have enough for a bit of midfield class. I do fancy Tonev and Bacuna to surprise a few people this season too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2013, 07:23:42 PM

I'd still like a midfielder who can play more attacking (even as a 10) and I think we really need cover at right back but I don't think the squad is far off now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

I'd still very much like another centre half, a back up right back, a number 10 and perhaps an experienced back up keeper before I thought we were completely ready.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2013, 08:24:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 19, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

I'd still very much like another centre half, a back up right back, a number 10 and perhaps an experienced back up keeper before I thought we were completely ready.

I agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2013, 08:26:32 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2013, 08:24:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 19, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

I'd still very much like another centre half, a back up right back, a number 10 and perhaps an experienced back up keeper before I thought we were completely ready.

Right back and number 10 for me, I think we're covered for the other spots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2013, 08:27:18 PM

With any luck, we can get one or two more in now the Benteke situation is resolved. I think the number 10 is the main player we're missing - Herd can cover right back and Lambert seems to feel that this young keeper is going to be class.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2013, 08:38:08 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 19, 2013, 08:27:18 PM

With any luck, we can get one or two more in now the Benteke situation is resolved. I think the number 10 is the main player we're missing - Herd can cover right back and Lambert seems to feel that this young keeper is going to be class.

I agree. I think that Okore is the centre-half that we needed to supplement the other three. The issue isn't that Clark and Baker are no good, it's that they shouldn't be first-choice at the moment. Okore and Vlaar are, with the other two fitting in. Four senior centre-halves is fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 08:43:35 PM

Anyone get a good idea of how young Webb did at right back in the last couple of games? Ready to be back up or a wee bit early?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2013, 09:28:32 PM

I didn't see him play but he is a highly regarded player. An England youth regular at one stage.
He can cover centre half too although he seems a full back naturally.

Id expect he's still a couple of years away from the first team squad though.
I'd try Herd there as back up in the mean time if we don't get somebody like Byram in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2013, 09:47:21 PM

Yep right back and number 10 for me too. Then we are covered in all the area I would hope for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 19, 2013, 10:49:57 PM

Gareth Barry off to Aldershot.
The name of the thread can explain that one.
I am so fucking bored. Roll on Saturday. At least we can see a game.
bored, bored, fucking bored.
Tennis ? Nah
Cricket ? So,so
Football ? Make the season longer, please. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 19, 2013, 11:13:34 PM

Errrr, what?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 19, 2013, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 19, 2013, 10:49:57 PM

Gareth Barry off to Aldershot.
The name of the thread can explain that one.
I am so fucking bored. Roll on Saturday. At least we can see a game.
bored, bored, fucking bored.
Tennis ? Nah
Cricket ? So,so
Football ? Make the season longer, please. ;)

Has VK hacked your account mate? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 19, 2013, 11:36:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 19, 2013, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on July 19, 2013, 10:49:57 PM

Gareth Barry off to Aldershot.
The name of the thread can explain that one.
I am so fucking bored. Roll on Saturday. At least we can see a game.
bored, bored, fucking bored.
Tennis ? Nah
Cricket ? So,so
Football ? Make the season longer, please. ;)

Has VK hacked your account mate? ;)

Yes. Along side his best mate, vodka and orange Juice. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 20, 2013, 01:06:14 AM

Can't see us signing anybody else to play across the front line.  Maybe one more in, but my gut feeling is that we are going with what we have, however I have just had a post pub curry so that gut feeling might be something else entirely...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2013, 01:56:28 AM

The inevitable Rooney to Chelsea signing should kick off silly season transfer wise. Man City and Spurs have too many players on their books and will need to start shedding them. Wouldnt mind someone like Caulker coming to us, he didnt kick on as expected last season. Was impressed with him at Swansea. Unlikely we will be adding a centre half I guess to our squad but Lambert has too much faith in three of them anyway.

Surprised Gareth Barry hasnt been picked up yet. He will be a great signing for whoever gets him in. If it was to be us I guess the deal would be done already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 20, 2013, 04:11:59 AM

Reckon it will be pretty quiet for the rest of pre season now, in all honesty. 

Maybe a CM from the lower divisions, but that's about it. 

However, if we start the season and look suspect at the back - even with the new additions- we'll in the market for a centre back before the transfer deadline.  Much will depend on Vlaar's early season form. I'm unconvinced about him, to put it mildly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2013, 06:18:14 AM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 20, 2013, 04:11:59 AM

Reckon it will be pretty quiet for the rest of pre season now, in all honesty. 

Maybe a CM from the lower divisions, but that's about it. 

However, if we start the season and look suspect at the back - even with the new additions- we'll in the market for a centre back before the transfer deadline.  Much will depend on Vlaar's early season form. I'm unconvinced about him, to put it mildly.

agree on Vlaar 100%. Cant forget how utterly awful he was for the most of last season. From being beaten up a stick by Carlton Cole at Upton Park first day out to his bambi on ice impression against Norwich at Carrow Road in one of the key last games. Most of our players improved towards the end of the season with the exception of Captain Vlaar. All the more reason to be signing someone like Gareth Barry as there is no obvious candidate for captain in the squad.

As an aside, Spurs look to have a very strong squad for next season. Surprised they didnt push harder for Benteke as he would have made them genuine title contenders. With the AVB/Mourinho connection, I think its somewhat inevitable Lukaku will be on his way there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2013, 08:00:23 AM

We've got four centre halves who'll be competing which is great. But I wouldn't say any of them are proven at this level and I don't think we can count on Okore necessarily hitting the ground running on day one. I still think that's a position we could do with some genuine premier league calibre, but it does seem unlikely  we'll get that.

I don't rate herd at all so a young back up right back would be good.

But a creative central midfielder has to be the number one shout. I'd be tempted to get someone who can pitch in in midfield more than an n'zogbia type in order to not throw our shape too much. More like the new cabaye than the new michu

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 20, 2013, 08:40:08 AM

Spurs have added Paulinho but have failed to add a striker of any quality and may still lose Bale. They're no stronger than last season at this moment and there's no chance Mourinho will do AVB any favours as he's a rival of sorts now.
Lukaku will be used by Chelsea this season.

Agree with the comments on Vlaar though. I hope he improves but I'm not convinced. Yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2013, 08:44:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 19, 2013, 09:47:21 PM

Yep right back and number 10 for me too. Then we are covered in all the area I would hope for.

Agreed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2013, 09:23:12 AM

I think with the Benteke situation now sorted, we can re-focus efforts on bringing in a number 10. We may get a few deadline day buys as well of the Westwood variety.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: brontebilly on July 20, 2013, 09:31:19 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 20, 2013, 08:40:08 AM

Spurs have added Paulinho but have failed to add a striker of any quality and may still lose Bale. They're no stronger than last season at this moment and there's no chance Mourinho will do AVB any favours as he's a rival of sorts now.
Lukaku will be used by Chelsea this season.

Agree with the comments on Vlaar though. I hope he improves but I'm not convinced. Yet.

Rose, Sandro and Kaboul back improve their options further from last season. I reckon they have stronger individual players at the back and in midfield than Man United, more quality options too, up front is the problem alright.. Sandro is a superb midfielder and a good bit superior to Parker. Agreed they need to sign a top striker. Defoe has had a lot of injuries but still decent to have around. Adebayor is nowhere near consistent enough. Dortmund would surely be more amenable to selling Lewandowski to Spurs rather than letting him go for nothing next summer to Bayern.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 20, 2013, 09:32:33 AM

Lewandowski is not going to Spurs. Never in a billion years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on July 20, 2013, 09:50:41 AM

Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2013, 09:23:12 AM

I think with the Benteke situation now sorted, we can re-focus efforts on bringing in a number 10. We may get a few deadline day buys as well of the Westwood variety.

I know what you mean about wanting a number 10 type but I think we were at our best last season with the midfield trio of Sylla, Delph and Westwood and the front 3 ahead of them.  At other times in the season we did try using Ireland or N'zogbia in the hole but it wasn't as sucessful for me. 

Having said that maybe he sees Helenius fulfilling that role.  As I've mentioned on the Helenius thread he looks like a player who likes to bring it down and play a bit plus his physical presence could compensate for what we lose in midfield from not having the 3 in there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 20, 2013, 09:52:24 AM

Why on Earth would Lewandowski want to go to Spurs ?

If this was baseball, where players have far less control over where they play, I'd agree that Dortmund might send him there to spite Munich. However, given the way that football transfers work, it won't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2013, 09:59:05 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 20, 2013, 08:40:08 AM

Spurs have added Paulinho but have failed to add a striker of any quality and may still lose Bale. They're no stronger than last season at this moment

Strictly speaking, surely, at this moment, they're strong by the measure of whatever Paulinho adds to their squad?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 20, 2013, 10:12:53 AM

Quote from: Montbert on July 20, 2013, 09:32:33 AM

Lewandowski is not going to Spurs. Never in a billion years.

Why not? They are the greatest team in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 20, 2013, 10:26:27 AM

We have on the whole strengthened our attacking options. Luna and Okore are two new defenders but I feel we need another strong centre back. Vlaar has failed to live upto the hype so far. As injuries happen throughout the season I can see us drawing and losing games because of our defense. With another centre back I feel we could challenge top six. Without I think we will finish a few places down on sixth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2013, 10:38:23 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 20, 2013, 10:26:27 AM

We have on the whole strengthened our attacking options. Luna and Okore are two new defenders but I feel we need another strong centre back. Vlaar has failed to live upto the hype so far. As injuries happen throughout the season I can see us drawing and losing games because of our defense. With another centre back I feel we could challenge top six. Without I think we will finish a few places down on sixth.

Blimey, your post reads like you'd be pissed off with that.
Not sure we can justify another CB as we can't have baker, Clark and okore (add vlaar uf one if the others is first team) all waiting for injuries before they play. They'll never improve if that is the case.?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 20, 2013, 10:39:11 AM

Personally I think Paul Lambert has concluded his transfer activity. Now Bentekes back on board lets knuckle down and get on with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 20, 2013, 10:46:29 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 20, 2013, 10:39:11 AM

Personally I think Paul Lambert has concluded his transfer activity. Now Bentekes back on board lets knuckle down and get on with it.

This.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 20, 2013, 10:48:21 AM

Signing both Sam Byram and Hiroshi Kiyotake would round off a great summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 20, 2013, 10:53:01 AM

Has any team improved their lot as much as we have yet?

We have dramatically improved our weak defence, strengthened midfield and now have genuine competition for places all over the pitch.

Goals weren't a problem last year, conceding them and having to rely on a thin and inexperienced squad was. We're going into this season a year more experienced, with a better defence and a stronger squad. That in itself must be worth jumping by four or five places? If we could learn how to defend and attack set-pieces you'd have to say we could have a year like 07/08 and make the Europa places.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 20, 2013, 11:02:29 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2013, 10:38:23 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 20, 2013, 10:26:27 AM

We have on the whole strengthened our attacking options. Luna and Okore are two new defenders but I feel we need another strong centre back. Vlaar has failed to live upto the hype so far. As injuries happen throughout the season I can see us drawing and losing games because of our defense. With another centre back I feel we could challenge top six. Without I think we will finish a few places down on sixth.

Blimey, your post reads like you'd be pissed off with that.
Not sure we can justify another CB as we can't have baker, Clark and okore (add vlaar uf one if the others is first team) all waiting for injuries before they play. They'll never improve if that is the case.?

I want the moon on the stick. I think we are one piece short of a very good team. I was not totally convinced by Clark, Baker or Vlaar last season. I think one or two of them will improve this season but not all three. So that leaves us with two or possibly three centre backs. One more and we are covered.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:25:45 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 20, 2013, 10:39:11 AM

Personally I think Paul Lambert has concluded his transfer activity. Now Bentekes back on board lets knuckle down and get on with it.

Yes I think it's time to stick. Watch the team gel together with new boys  and reassess before January window opens.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:32:00 PM

If there was a forward who stormed into the Premier League last season and ended the season just a few goals short of RVP and in this transfer window we managed to sign him I bet we will all be running around like   the proverbial dog with......
So there we are how good does it feel that Christian Benteke  has just singed a 4 year deal with Aston Villa! This summer is the best ever (well since the summer I got married just in case the wife reads this).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:37:12 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2013, 09:23:12 AM

I think with the Benteke situation now sorted, we can re-focus efforts on bringing in a number 10. We may get a few deadline day buys as well of the Westwood variety.

Ads (sorry if that is your real name) Gabby is one of the best number 10's ...nearly as good as Geoff Vowden  and Helenius  could be that as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 20, 2013, 12:39:16 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:32:00 PM

If there was a forward who stormed into the Premier League last season and ended the season just a few goals short of RVP and in this transfer window we managed to sign him I bet we will all be running around like   the proverbial dog with......
So there we are how good does it feel that Christian Benteke  has just singed a 4 year deal with Aston Villa! This summer is the best ever (well since the summer I got married just in case the wife reads this).

Well put, but hopefully he signed the contract not singed it :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2013, 12:48:52 PM

If the right player comes up I wouldn't count out the idea of another signing or two, especially if we get rid of the obvious candidates freeing up wages and bringing in a few quid. But I also think Lambert won't be exactly devastated if our incoming transfer business is done.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:56:32 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on July 20, 2013, 12:39:16 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2013, 12:32:00 PM

If there was a forward who stormed into the Premier League last season and ended the season just a few goals short of RVP and in this transfer window we managed to sign him I bet we will all be running around like   the proverbial dog with......
So there we are how good does it feel that Christian Benteke  has just singed a 4 year deal with Aston Villa! This summer is the best ever (well since the summer I got married just in case the wife reads this).

Well put, but hopefully he signed the contract not singed it :)

Could happen this weekend if he is barbecuing. Sitting there reading his contract whilst waiting for it to fire up and need some combustible material to help it along!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2013, 01:29:12 PM

I wonder if Helenius might play in the number 10 role.  He gave an interview somewhere recently to say that he wasn't an out and out centre forward, despite his height.  He likes to play down the right hand side as he has a bit of pace and also likes to play off the main centre forward etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2013, 01:32:01 PM

I think if PL shifts the 5 or 6 that he wants to, then at least a couple of new faces will come in, apart from Bent though there doesn't seem to be many clubs tempted by our outcasts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2013, 01:37:59 PM

We'll be able to fit both Benteke and Helenius if needs be. Helenius seems capable of dropping off. I think either of them could play out wide too. Benteke has the pace, skill and dribbling ability to play wide, and he often looked good last season when he pulled out to the flanks. You'd still fancy him to find the net if he had to play there.

Title: Anymore for Anymore
Post by: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:29 PM

The sun is Really shining at Villa Park.
New contracts all round, with an out of the blue, wonderful Benteke present yesterday.
Young, vibrant new players, not tried and tested, but looking like a few stars in the making.

So, big question, do we still need to strengthen the squad, if so, what positions.
And a bigger question, will RL release more funds after 6 new acquisitions and also with new and improved contracts being signed.

My personal feelings would be to bring in a holding midfield player with lots and lots of experience, to help shore up our defensive frailties.

Title: Re: Anymore for Anymore
Post by: Chris Smith on July 20, 2013, 01:58:23 PM

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that we are up around our wage limit so we'll need to get players off the books if we're going to bring in anyone else. Lambert might also want to see how this lot bed in and leave it until January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 20, 2013, 03:24:22 PM

I think when we sell Bent and possibly get one of three out from Given/Hutton/Ireland we will make a very very big signing in central midfield. I wonder is there a player who can do set pieces well, score goal from long range, poach like Frank Lampard and defend well and have wonderful vision and leadership to be the Lion King in midfield for Aston Villa. Don't ask me who is ideal :) But I like a next Zinezane Zidane :) and is there any new playmaker in Argentina worth a look.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: old man villa fan on July 20, 2013, 03:47:28 PM

I think Lambert has been waiting on how the Benteke affair worked out.  Now he has signed a new contract, I think one more to come in and probably an experienced central midfield player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on July 20, 2013, 05:32:49 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 20, 2013, 01:37:59 PM

We'll be able to fit both Benteke and Helenius if needs be. Helenius seems capable of dropping off. I think either of them could play out wide too. Benteke has the pace, skill and dribbling ability to play wide, and he often looked good last season when he pulled out to the flanks. You'd still fancy him to find the net if he had to play there.

Helenius is most suited to the number 10 role, just behind, according to one of the reporters when we signed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2013, 06:01:59 PM

Play benteke wide? Are you mad man? He's our best player and centre forward by a mile.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on July 20, 2013, 06:11:43 PM

I still think we need a quality centre back, Wycombe had one corner in the first half and scored from it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2013, 06:31:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 20, 2013, 06:01:59 PM

Play benteke wide? Are you mad man? He's our best player and centre forward by a mile.

For the majority time, I agree. However, there are occasions where he can cause havoc by pulling out wide. The Stoke away game for example. They had 2 big centre backs up against him which was nullifying him quite effectively. Then he came out to the left so that he could cut in and Stoke didn't have a clue what to do. Benteke had the beating of their fullback and they didn't know whether to move a centre back out to the right and mess up their centre back pairing or just try to cope as best as they could.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jonzy85 on July 20, 2013, 06:51:23 PM

I think the fact that we had a bid for Kiyotake turned down shows we are not done in the transfer market.

Our defence remains a big concern for me. Massive improvements needed all around, but I'm not sure if a central defence containing 2 of Clark, Baker, Vlaar will ever be anything more than a lower mid table defence. Hopefully Okore improves things, but I would have liked to have seen more improvements.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 20, 2013, 07:06:18 PM

Quote from: jonzy85 on July 20, 2013, 06:51:23 PM

I think the fact that we had a bid for Kiyotake turned down shows we are not done in the transfer market.

Our defence remains a big concern for me. Massive improvements needed all around, but I'm not sure if a central defence containing 2 of Clark, Baker, Vlaar will ever be anything more than a lower mid table defence. Hopefully Okore improves things, but I would have liked to have seen more improvements.

Maybe that's why we've also got Okore?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:11:29 PM

Yea, still have major concerns with our defense, and think everyone generally feels the same, but if I had the choice, I would still rather see a holding midfielder than a Centre Back.
I really hope that this is completed quickly, massive concerns with set pieces and leaky defense.
I know they are only pre season games, but surely we should be beating these teams and maybe keeping a few clean sheets.

Take a look at Arsenal, scored 7 goals in both there pre season games....

We face this bunch first !!!!!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2013, 07:20:30 PM

Vlaar and Clark is not a good combo when we have to defend the high ball regularly really. We look more comfortable against the physical sides with Baker in there. I don't see a new CB being signed really, we have 4 which is generally what prem clubs go with.

Has to be an attacking midfielder to sign before the window. The middle 3 did well at the end of last season but we just lack goalscoring threat from that area.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2013, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

I know it's a pre-season friendly, and an early one at that, but that was a grim reminder of how we defended for much of last season.

Of all the partnerships we have, I think Vlaar - Clark is the worst.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2013, 07:41:00 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

~Positives: great cross by Bacuna; sneaky free kick from Westie; away shirts.
The first WW goal looked like a deflection off Luna; the second was horrible - reminiscent of last season and the one before.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2013, 07:42:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2013, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

I know it's a pre-season friendly, and an early one at that, but that was a grim reminder of how we defended for much of last season.

Of all the partnerships we have, I think Vlaar - Clark is the worst.

I agree, and I don't put this wholly on Clark either. I think Clark-Baker is more effective than Clark-Vlaar. At present I'd go for Okore-Vlaar, or Vlaar-Baker if Okore is injured.

It won't happen but I'd love us to get a rock solid center half in. For me, Okore looks potentially fantastic. Vlaar has majorly underwhelmed. He's really got to step up to the plate this season. We're really lacking that Laursen/Mellberg figure. Hell even a Dunne in 09/10 would do us (and I'm not for a second saying we made a mistake letting him go. He's well past his best.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 20, 2013, 07:44:18 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 20, 2013, 07:41:00 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

~Positives: great cross by Bacuna; sneaky free kick from Westie; away shirts.
The first WW goal looked like a deflection off Luna; the second was horrible - reminiscent of last season and the one before.

We cannot defender against big players at set pieces. We get destroyed. My finger points a lot to Blamanche Ron, who isn't as dominant in the air as you'd expect someone made of "concrete" to be. Bakers our only good center half aerially besides (hopefully) Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 20, 2013, 07:53:03 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2013, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 07:18:01 PM

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/8833217/villa-draw-with-wycombe

Wow, just seen the set piece for the second goal of Wycombe's, how bad was our defending, where were Vlaar and Clarke ?

Totally agree. Dont think either is a first team starter. Surely PL can see this after some shocking defensive errors last season ? Okore will cover any pacy players. but we still need a major aerial ball winning CB. Baker is our strongest ........

I know it's a pre-season friendly, and an early one at that, but that was a grim reminder of how we defended for much of last season.

Of all the partnerships we have, I think Vlaar - Clark is the worst.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 20, 2013, 08:17:17 PM

Jesus, the more I watch that clip, the more infuriated I get.
I'm right behind Lambo, but surely he can see our defensive frailties.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2013, 09:03:24 PM

Would not be shocked to see Okore and Baker end next season as first choice and Ron be on the plane back to Holland. Great character and important to lead the side, but not been up to it defensively yet.

I still think a reserve right back and a tricky attacking midfielder will arrive before the deadline. I think we will go back in for Kiyotake personally. He fits a similar bill to Benteke last season, and would also give us a foothold into the football market there as an added bonus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 20, 2013, 10:23:02 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 20, 2013, 06:31:44 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 20, 2013, 06:01:59 PM

Play benteke wide? Are you mad man? He's our best player and centre forward by a mile.

For the majority time, I agree. However, there are occasions where he can cause havoc by pulling out wide. The Stoke away game for example. They had 2 big centre backs up against him which was nullifying him quite effectively. Then he came out to the left so that he could cut in and Stoke didn't have a clue what to do. Benteke had the beating of their fullback and they didn't know whether to move a centre back out to the right and mess up their centre back pairing or just try to cope as best as they could.

To add a couple of pennies in here.  I mentioned this a few times last season.  When things started to really click up front was when Benteke started drifting left, between FB and CB, with Weimann pushing higher on the right in a similar hole, allowing Gabby to come in a '10' position and burst through the middle.  We did it a lot in the last 3 months.  It's a great way of using the 3 of them as both Gabby and Weimann are comfortable drifting inside and shooting from the edge of the box and no central defender will want to leave their fullback 1on1 with Benteke.  I think Tonev and Helenius will suit the cutting in and attacking from deeper part of it as well and I think I midfielder willing to get beyond the deeper 1 of the 3 could get a hatful.  Bacuna has stated a couple of times that he wants to be that kind of player which is why I think he will be the surprise player in the team next year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2013, 11:28:23 PM

Agree with all of that paul but what a team like that needs is a midfielder who can protect the back four. For all their faults last season, especially set-pieces, they were usually offered very little help and/or protection from midfield last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 20, 2013, 11:38:26 PM

I think going forward we are as good as any team outside of the top 5 and with the new additions will continue to improve. As peter w has suggested, we need to be better defensively. I think the front 3 work well defensively generally, but sometimes Gabby and Weimann are niave. Need to tighten up on that and also set pieces, though that did get better after Bradford debacle

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 21, 2013, 12:31:11 AM

I agree with everyone on Vlaar, and I think it's why we may not breach the top half. However if we sign a CB (I don't think we will), who could we get who isn't 'up and coming' or on 80k a week?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2013, 03:49:26 AM

Anyone know much about the serb the mirror are linking us with from Inter?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: phantom limb on July 21, 2013, 06:55:37 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2013, 03:49:26 AM

Anyone know much about the serb the mirror are linking us with from Inter?

I thought Kuzmanovic was a great player at Fiorentina, a clever creative midfielder. I think he  went to Germany and subsequently ended up at Inter where it hasn't really happened for him. If the buyout is £3.5 million then it could be a bargain, but I haven't seen him play for ages now so hopefully he hasn't gone rubbish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 21, 2013, 08:25:45 AM

Wiki says Chelsea had a £23m bid turned down for Kuzmanović in 2011. Seems crazy that he's now worth £3.5m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 21, 2013, 12:06:52 PM

I think Ron might get away with a fair bit this season because he'll score 3-4 good goals to gloss over his frailties at the other end.

I wonder if a deal for Lescott would still be feasible. Get him with a signing on fee and sensible wage. Can't see City being too concerned about a big transfer fee. Lescott isn't great but he's hands down better than Vlaar, Baker and Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 21, 2013, 12:09:10 PM

Absolutely no chance we'll be after Lescott.

I'm hoping some clicks with Okore, whether that's Vlaaro, Bakester or Clarkmeister.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 21, 2013, 12:11:37 PM

We have not heard anything lately about clubs queuing up to sign Given, Ireland, Hutton, Bannan nor Delfuenso. Toon seems likely for Bent. I hope that it does not drag on until deadline day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 21, 2013, 01:20:35 PM

Quote from: phantom limb on July 21, 2013, 06:55:37 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 21, 2013, 03:49:26 AM

Anyone know much about the serb the mirror are linking us with from Inter?

I thought Kuzmanovic was a great player at Fiorentina, a clever creative midfielder. I think he  went to Germany and subsequently ended up at Inter where it hasn't really happened for him. If the buyout is £3.5 million then it could be a bargain, but I haven't seen him play for ages now so hopefully he hasn't gone rubbish.

I can remember in January looking at him in a list of Players whose contracts were expiring this summer. Internazionale obviously signed him for a relatively low fee for this reason. Its surprising that he might be already surplus to requirements.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2013, 01:26:49 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2013, 11:28:23 PM

Agree with all of that paul but what a team like that needs is a midfielder who can protect the back four. For all their faults last season, especially set-pieces, they were usually offered very little help and/or protection from midfield last season.

I'd actually like us to play with 2 fairly defensive midfielders in there.  A Westwood to close space, make interceptions and slow the game down and a hard working, tough tackling player alongside that I hope Sylla and/or Delph can develop into.  Put Tonev or Bacuna in ront of them and I think we'll have a much better shape.  You need 1 of the 3 to close down in their half, which is why Sylla worked and Nzog doesn't but I'd like someone who will score a few goals as well and I don't think Sylla has that in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 21, 2013, 02:07:18 PM

By the looks of it the only mention of Kuzmanovic comes from The Mirror, the Italian websites that are carrying any mention of this are siting them as the source.  He signed for 1.2m euros so 3.5 isn't that crazy price wise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on July 21, 2013, 02:27:01 PM

I agree on much of the concerns about our defensive frailties, however it must be said that our worst defensive performances came whilst Vlar was injured or had just returned. We went through the whole season with only 3 centre half's & at times only 2. Add in the use of defenders like Lichaj & Stevens, who were not up to Premiership standard, with the fact that the whole back line lacked Premiership experience & I think we can see why we conceded so many goals. The 2nd goal yesterday was disapointing as over the last dozen or so games we had cut those type of goals out.

I think Lambert has finished with any defensive recruitment, unless there is cover for Lowton. I also think we are covered from an attacking  / width point of view. The only possible signings will be attacking / defensive midfield.

From where we were this time last year, we now have experience, a formation that suits us & one that the players know. The players already here & the new signings know that they will have a platform to show that they are up to the job & that they will get the rewards if they deliver.

I'd imagine we will need to shift a few of the 'bomb squad' out before we bring anymore in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2013, 03:21:16 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2013, 01:32:01 PM

I think if PL shifts the 5 or 6 that he wants to, then at least a couple of new faces will come in, apart from Bent though there doesn't seem to be many clubs tempted by our outcasts.

I wonder if we're just waiting for Bent to leave, 6m fee and 60k off the wage bill would give us room to sign another attacking player and I'm not convinced we need another striker as Gabby, Benteke, Weimann and Helenius should be enough to get us through to January.

I would add Ireland aswell but that is extremely wishful thinking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2013, 03:36:42 PM

Once players start moving amongst English clubs and clubs start getting their squads into shape for the season, then we'll see more transfer activity. At least 2 or 3 more in I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 21, 2013, 03:56:22 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2013, 03:21:16 PM

Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2013, 01:32:01 PM

I think if PL shifts the 5 or 6 that he wants to, then at least a couple of new faces will come in, apart from Bent though there doesn't seem to be many clubs tempted by our outcasts.

I wonder if we're just waiting for Bent to leave, 6m fee and 60k off the wage bill would give us room to sign another attacking player and I'm not convinced we need another striker as Gabby, Benteke, Weimann and Helenius should be enough to get us through to January.

I would add Ireland aswell but that is extremely wishful thinking.

I think we'll see takers for Bent and Bannan, probably delfouneso as well, Ireland depends a lot on whether he's willing to take a cut in his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:33:45 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 21, 2013, 01:26:49 PM

Quote from: peter w on July 20, 2013, 11:28:23 PM

Agree with all of that paul but what a team like that needs is a midfielder who can protect the back four. For all their faults last season, especially set-pieces, they were usually offered very little help and/or protection from midfield last season.

I'd actually like us to play with 2 fairly defensive midfielders in there.  A Westwood to close space, make interceptions and slow the game down and a hard working, tough tackling player alongside that I hope Sylla and/or Delph can develop into.  Put Tonev or Bacuna in ront of them and I think we'll have a much better shape.  You need 1 of the 3 to close down in their half, which is why Sylla worked and Nzog doesn't but I'd like someone who will score a few goals as well and I don't think Sylla has that in him.

I would like to see at least 1 more midfielder in...
Rather than a Spearing Huddlestone or Rodwell loan Clark or Herd can do the job as defensive midfielders so be sorted there
Wanyama or Strootman would have been a touch of class
Capoue or Yaya Sanogo who has been linked would be affordable

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

In more offensive and experience midfield sense Will hughes and Tom ince of championship Marko Stanković at Austria Vienna who ran show agaisnt everton recently and Sacha Kljestan the Usa Belgian playing midfielder would make a difference. I also like flamini or  barry as experience pro and scotlands finest Maloney,  Maxime Lestienne club brugge better than chandi!!! or wiley Saviola for excitement value!

Out go Bent Ireland Hutton

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on July 21, 2013, 08:10:16 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

In more offensive and experience midfield sense Will hughes and Tom ince of championship Marko Stanković at Austria Vienna who ran show agaisnt everton recently and Sacha Kljestan the Usa Belgian playing midfielder would make a difference. I also like flamini or  barry as experience pro and scotlands finest Maloney,  Maxime Lestienne club brugge better than chandi!!! or wiley Saviola for excitement value!

Out go Bent Ireland Hutton

I am out of breath every time I read that post...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 21, 2013, 08:18:36 PM

Herd is decent in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2013, 12:43:39 AM

Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2013, 11:03:10 AM

Quote from: Drummond on July 19, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

If he's been axed by Hamburg, why would we want him? Who would he replace?

There'd be such a lack of ambition in a signing like that.

A drivers mate for Sylla?

Whatever happened to the African Car Reverser?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 22, 2013, 07:31:51 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

or wiley Saviola for excitement value!

I'd rather have Wile E. Coyote

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2013, 08:42:17 AM

Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on July 22, 2013, 07:31:51 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

or wiley Saviola for excitement value!

I'd rather have Wile E. Coyote

He lacks pace mate. After all he can never catch that fecking road runner.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2013, 10:38:03 AM

Well let's sign the Road Runner then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2013, 10:38:51 AM

mit mit

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 22, 2013, 11:06:51 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 22, 2013, 08:42:17 AM

Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on July 22, 2013, 07:31:51 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

or wiley Saviola for excitement value!

I'd rather have Wile E. Coyote

He lacks pace mate. After all he can never catch that fecking road runner.

You're right, I hadn't thought this all the way through. Roadrunner is such a smug git though...reminds me of Ronaldo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 22, 2013, 11:13:35 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:33:45 PM

I would like to see at least 1 more midfielder in...
Yaya Sanogo who has been linked would be affordable

Yaya Sanogo, the striker who Arsenal signed a few weeks ago? (http://forums.aria.co.uk/images/smilies/ScratchHead.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2013, 11:17:16 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 21, 2013, 04:36:10 PM

  Maxime Lestienne club brugge better than chandi!!!

Who is Chandi?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mark H on July 22, 2013, 11:50:34 AM

Chandi was the Belgian winger that Spurzz where going to be linking up with Benteke apparently  , but they have agreed a fee to sign anyway now 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2013, 12:08:40 PM

If you ignore the players likely/wanted to leave the club and work on two players per position in a 4-3-3, there's not many left we need:-

GK - Guzan and Steer
LB - Bennett and Luna
CB - Okore and Baker
CB - Vlaar and Clark
RB - Lowton and ??????
CM - Westwood and KEA
CM - Delph and Bacuna
CM - Sylla and GardnerFW - Gabby and Tonev
STR - Benteke and Helenius
FW - Weimann and Bowery

Although RB is the obvious gap, I think it's in the area of the two in italics I'd be buying, as both are unknown quantities and might be best going out on loan to a Championship club.  So that's a 'No 10' type player, who would also give us the option of going to 4-2-3-1.

With herd as a utility player and the other kids filling out the remainder of the squad, I'd close the cheque book after that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2013, 12:45:13 PM

Quote from: Mark H on July 22, 2013, 11:50:34 AM

Chandi was the Belgian winger that Spurzz where going to be linking up with Benteke apparently  , but they have agreed a fee to sign anyway now 

Oh ok that is Nacer Chadli.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2013, 01:34:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 22, 2013, 12:08:40 PM

If you ignore the players likely/wanted to leave the club and work on two players per position in a 4-3-3, there's not many left we need:-

GK - Guzan and Steer
LB - Bennett and Luna
CB - Okore and Baker
CB - Vlaar and Clark
RB - Lowton and ??????
CM - Westwood and KEA
CM - Delph and Bacuna
CM - Sylla and GardnerFW - Gabby and Tonev
STR - Benteke and Helenius
FW - Weimann and Bowery

Although RB is the obvious gap, I think it's in the area of the two in italics I'd be buying, as both are unknown quantities and might be best going out on loan to a Championship club.  So that's a 'No 10' type player, who would also give us the option of going to 4-2-3-1.

With herd as a utility player and the other kids filling out the remainder of the squad, I'd close the cheque book after that.

I assume Herd is the right back cover, and the two in italics can probably go out on loan regardless as you're forgetting Albrighton and N'Zogbia, albeit Zoggy will miss the start of the season.  It's only Stephens, Bannan, Fonz, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given on the transfer list as far as I'm aware.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 22, 2013, 04:08:40 PM

Looking at our squad it is looking much better now, but we still need a playmaker and a Martin Laursen type. Do you get those kind of defenders in Sweden/Denmark/Norway/Scotland and England. (For like of Laursen, Colin Henry, Allan Evans, Terry Butcher, gulp John Terry)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:12:50 PM

Quote from: bobdylan on July 22, 2013, 01:34:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 22, 2013, 12:08:40 PM

If you ignore the players likely/wanted to leave the club and work on two players per position in a 4-3-3, there's not many left we need:-

GK - Guzan and Steer
LB - Bennett and Luna
CB - Okore and Baker
CB - Vlaar and Clark
RB - Lowton and ??????
CM - Westwood and KEA
CM - Delph and Bacuna
CM - Sylla and GardnerFW - Gabby and Tonev
STR - Benteke and Helenius
FW - Weimann and Bowery

Although RB is the obvious gap, I think it's in the area of the two in italics I'd be buying, as both are unknown quantities and might be best going out on loan to a Championship club.  So that's a 'No 10' type player, who would also give us the option of going to 4-2-3-1.

With herd as a utility player and the other kids filling out the remainder of the squad, I'd close the cheque book after that.

I assume Herd is the right back cover, and the two in italics can probably go out on loan regardless as you're forgetting Albrighton and N'Zogbia, albeit Zoggy will miss the start of the season.  It's only Stephens, Bannan, Fonz, Ireland, Bent, Hutton and Given on the transfer list as far as I'm aware.

#

Here I mention 25-man squad/ home grown up quota. I also mention that a GK can be added to this as we only have 2 ??  And though there are 24 players here
Gards is under 21 and squad can have UNLIMITED under 21 supplements so likes of seymar carruthus and grealish without filling 25 player roster ! Looking in good way as we have 13 home grown up players (bold palyers are home grown up)

GK - Guzan and Steer
LB - Bennett and Luna
CB - Okore and Baker
CB - Vlaar and Clark
RB - Lowton and Herd
CM - Westwood and KEA
CM - Delph and Bacuna
CM - Sylla and Gardner
AM-  Albrighton and N'zogbia
FW - Gabby and Tonev
STR - Benteke and Helenius
FW - Weimann and Bowery

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:21:49 PM

Siegrist is quite highly rated GK wise, quite young still though. Would probably do as a 3rd choice keeper, as you can always emergency loan a GK in (Kiraly anyone?).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 22, 2013, 04:23:01 PM

God to know about our roster supplement advantage.  I've been thinking about how our roster would be filled.  I imagine there's been talking in the locker room also.  Our offence is good to go, I'm thinking - but our Defence still needs to strengthen the line. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 22, 2013, 04:27:54 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if Lambert waits till close to transfer deadline,giving himself time to assess the squad ,especially the new signings,after the opening 2 games.Also,any improvement shown by younger players could mean some other players could find themselves further down the pecking order and perhaps surplus to requirements.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 22, 2013, 04:28:17 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:21:49 PM

Kiraly anyone?

I still have nightmares about grey-trousered Gábor's "goalkeeping".  I think I'd rather stack a few cardboard boxes in the middle of the goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2013, 04:30:54 PM

Seymar will do big things for us this year, I reckon.

The Brazillian connection means he's probably our most suited player to the no.10 role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:34:57 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:21:49 PM

Siegrist is quite highly rated GK wise, quite young still though. Would probably do as a 3rd choice keeper, as you can always emergency loan a GK in (Kiraly anyone?).

Ah yes Siegrist - is he under 21??

GK we could have signed as back up ?? Maarten Stekelenburg, Joel Robles Mark Schwarzer Harper  Allan McGregor  Vito Mannone

And signings that are coming to prem league disapointed we didnt get:

DF  Antolin Alcaraz  Curtis Davies Kolo Toure
MF Brek Shea Jerome Thomas  Leroy Fer  Nathan Redmond  Victor Wanyama Jo Jo Shelvey
ST  Kone, Andreas Cornelius  Dwight Gayle Ricky van Wolfswinkel  Jozy Altidore Wilfried Bony

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 22, 2013, 04:35:25 PM

villa kicks just for future reference its just home grown, not home grown up. and yes we are looking good to go although i desperately want another defender in. just think we are alittle thin there if okore doesnt shine and vlaar gets injured again   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:37:52 PM

ahh okay I get it confused as they have grown up domestcially under english coaches academys. Home grown it is !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 22, 2013, 04:40:16 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:37:52 PM

ahh okay I get it confused as they have grown up domestcially under english coaches academys. Home grown it is !

Not to worry live and learn and all that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 22, 2013, 04:40:28 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:34:57 PM

GK we could have signed as back up ?? Maarten Stekelenburg

Somewhat overrated as he is, I don't think Stekelenburg would have moved anywhere to be a backup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2013, 04:41:59 PM

I'm surprised we've not given Siegrist some pre-season playing time. Maybe it's worth giving him a half or two over Steer in the last 5 games, just to see how he does. Steers done pretty well so far. Maybe rest Goose for a game and give Jed and Ben a half each. It might not have hurt the budget much to keep Marshall on for one more year. He could have helped the youngsters and been an adequate cover option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:46:31 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

I thought Carson cost us at least a goal a game.

Siegrist is 21 btw.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:50:23 PM

Quote from: GarethRDR on July 22, 2013, 04:40:28 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 04:34:57 PM

GK we could have signed as back up ?? Maarten Stekelenburg

Somewhat overrated as he is, I don't think Stekelenburg would have moved anywhere to be a backup.

point taken as Schwarzer moved marty s'burger wil be no 1 !

The Siegrist is 21 !! he is the Siegrist As a Villa youth player, he helped the club to the reach the final of the 2009–10 FA Youth Cup and the 2011–12 Premier Reserve League South title.

Ahead of the 2012–13 season Siegrist was promoted to Aston Villa's first team squad!!
been part of Switzerland squads at U17, U18, U19, U21 and currently U23 level. Siegrist won the 2009 FIFA U-17 World Cup in Nigeria with his nation: the goalkeeper was an integral part of the side that beat the hosts in the final and won the tournament's first Golden Glove award as a result. He was chosen as a backup goalkeeper for Switzerland's U21 squad at the 2011 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship, but remained an unused substitute throughout the tournament as Switzerland

HE HAS POTENTIAL !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 05:01:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

It's a popular misconception with Carson that he was only crap after he lost his confidence in the Croatia game.  He was pretty poor from the start in my view.  I suppose he did go downhill after that game but it was only from bad to worse.  No idea where he ended up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2013, 05:16:58 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 05:01:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

It's a popular misconception with Carson that he was only crap after he lost his confidence in the Croatia game.  He was pretty poor from the start in my view.  I suppose he did go downhill after that game but it was only from bad to worse.  No idea where he ended up.

Carson signed for Wigan on 4th July, 2013. £700K.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 05:49:12 PM

Carson was crap from the start. I watched that Croatia game with a load of noses in the Marston Green Tavern and must have said 'told you he was crap' half-a-dozen times.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2013, 05:51:06 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 05:01:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

It's a popular misconception with Carson that he was only crap after he lost his confidence in the Croatia game.  He was pretty poor from the start in my view.  I suppose he did go downhill after that game but it was only from bad to worse.  No idea where he ended up.

I don't think that it is. After his first few games there was talk of us signing him permanently for £10m the following January. I remember a lot of people being annoyed that we'd only brought him in on loan initially meaning that we were likely to have pay a stupid amount of money to sign him permanently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2013, 05:52:05 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 22, 2013, 05:51:06 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 05:01:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

It's a popular misconception with Carson that he was only crap after he lost his confidence in the Croatia game.  He was pretty poor from the start in my view.  I suppose he did go downhill after that game but it was only from bad to worse.  No idea where he ended up.

I don't think that it is. After his first few games there was talk of us signing him permanently for £10m the following January. I remember a lot of people being annoyed that we'd only brought him in on loan initially meaning that we were likely to have pay a stupid amount of money to sign him permanently.

I remember that, too.

I thought he did very well for us to start with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2013, 05:55:28 PM

Bent says he's out of here shortly as expected but Ireland has no clue? Shame that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 22, 2013, 06:39:50 PM

I always thought Carson was crap. He always looked in two minds about everything, and you got the impression the defence never had any faith him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2013, 06:48:00 PM

It's worth noting that Nzogbia is classified as home grown and Steer and Seigrist are both young enough to not be registered.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2013, 06:53:29 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 22, 2013, 06:39:50 PM

I always thought Carson was crap. He always looked in two minds about everything

He also looked like a thin Chris Moyles.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 06:55:35 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on July 22, 2013, 06:39:50 PM

I always thought Carson was crap. He always looked in two minds about everything, and you got the impression the defence never had any faith him.

I remember remarking to my brother when first seeing Carson at VP that the benighted fellow looked like he was carrying heavy shopping.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2013, 06:56:40 PM

Scott Carson

(http://media.freeola.com/images/user-images/12999/optimized-www-terry-thomas.jpg)


Terry Thomas
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/16/article-0-05290BC50000044D-576_468x525.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 07:02:21 PM

Scott Carson: England v Croatia.

(http://forgottenfilmcast.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/those-magnificent-men-7.png)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 07:04:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2013, 05:52:05 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 22, 2013, 05:51:06 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on July 22, 2013, 05:01:22 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

I thought Carson was worse, Kiraly made that huge error in the FA Cup against Manure, when it looked like we were going to take them to a replay at Villa Park though.

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

I was talking about Carson with someone the other day. I don't remember him being that bad actually. From my recollection, he only went really downhill after that Croatia game.

It's a popular misconception with Carson that he was only crap after he lost his confidence in the Croatia game.  He was pretty poor from the start in my view.  I suppose he did go downhill after that game but it was only from bad to worse.  No idea where he ended up.

I don't think that it is. After his first few games there was talk of us signing him permanently for £10m the following January. I remember a lot of people being annoyed that we'd only brought him in on loan initially meaning that we were likely to have pay a stupid amount of money to sign him permanently.

I remember that, too.

I thought he did very well for us to start with.

I remember quite a few other people being appalled that we'd stumped up a 2m loan fee for a keeper that dived in instalments and were even more appalled that we were apparently considering a permanent deal.  I can't remember one good save from Carson, let alone a good game and Liverpool would have been pissing themselves if we'd stumped up anything like 10mil for him. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2013, 07:11:46 PM

True 'dat.

He was like a hologram, everything seemed to go through him. Rob Green suffers from the same condition.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2013, 07:18:02 PM

What does Bent mumble in that video?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2013, 07:26:29 PM

Yes. Bannan's off aswell he's such a grumpy twat. I like the fact the fan wasn't remotely bothered by him saying he's leaving haha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2013, 07:30:48 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2013, 07:26:29 PM

Yes. Bannan's off aswell he's such a grumpy twat. I like the fact the fan wasn't remotely bothered by him saying he's leaving haha.

Nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2013, 07:32:35 PM

I've got time for the likes of Bent and Bannan. Bent because once he understood why he had been dropped, acted professionally. Bannan because he's come through the ranks and by all accounts, still watched a lot of the reserve games and from people who know him, cares about the club. Although we need to find them new clubs, they shouldn't be put into the same category as Ireland and the like who don't seem to give a shit about anything other than their salary.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2013, 07:36:37 PM

Blimey, three departees at once. I thought Sky Sports News and Harry Redknapp had a monopoly on the "roll down the window" exclusives.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on July 22, 2013, 07:48:56 PM

I have no problem with Ireland, he was the nicest out the three of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2013, 07:52:59 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 22, 2013, 07:32:35 PM

I've got time for the likes of Bent and Bannan. Bent because once he understood why he had been dropped, acted professionally. Bannan because he's come through the ranks and by all accounts, still watched a lot of the reserve games and from people who know him, cares about the club. Although we need to find them new clubs, they shouldn't be put into the same category as Ireland and the like who don't seem to give a shit about anything other than their salary.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on July 22, 2013, 07:57:42 PM

Fan "Are you staying?"
Bannan "No"
Fan "Oh well"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 08:01:25 PM

Quote from: richtheholtender on July 22, 2013, 07:57:42 PM

Fan "Are you staying?"
Bannan "No"
Fan "Oh well"

Loved that

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 22, 2013, 08:06:20 PM

I've continued to give him my support and always liked him but I can't pretend that it bothered me to hear this news. I'm going to chose to believe that he's a bit pissed off about having to leave a club he cares about rather than because he can't be arsed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2013, 08:10:14 PM

He's been with us since he was 14, so it's no wonder he's unhappy to be leaving and especially that he has to train with the reserves. That, coupled with a belief that he should be in the team, surely would give anyone a face like a smacked arse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2013, 08:18:00 PM

You just wish Barry would have really worked a little harder on his game. He has no pace, so he really should have improved his upper body strength. Obviously he's come through the ranks and has a fondness for the club, so I wish him well but I think at 20-21 there was a suggestion that he felt he was better than perhaps he was. A slight case of the billy big balls syndrome. Some off the field stuff didn't help. It is a shame because in terms of natural ability he had plenty in his locker, but utilising it to the fullest, consistently was another matter.

As for Ireland. He has his heart in the right place in certain regards. However there's just no indication that he lives and breaths football like all the top pro's do. It's almost as if by the grace of natural ability he got as far as he did, whereas he could have been equally happy in a parallel universe somewhere playing Sunday League football. It's like he's doing a hobby for a living rather than really having the determination and will to succeed that top footballers need. I think was more than contended to stay at City and not play much, just pick up his money. Cannot fault him on his attitude regarding charity commitments for the club though. He's been one of the best and not out of purely obligation, he genuinely seems to enjoy it, more than being on the pitch playing in fact.

Benty's just at the wrong place at this current time. I like him though, he hasn't moaned. Fair play to him and good luck.
I'd wish them all well once out of the club, but the sooner they're gone, the better. Their wages could cover 5-6 players in the Lambert budget range.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2013, 08:26:26 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 22, 2013, 08:18:00 PM

You just wish Barry would have really worked a little harder on his game.

Yeah, and why didn't he take the penalty anyway?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2013, 09:10:39 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 08:01:25 PM

Quote from: richtheholtender on July 22, 2013, 07:57:42 PM

Fan "Are you staying?"
Bannan "No"
Fan "Oh well"

Loved that

I liked, after the mini bombshell, his mate just says 'Is that Ron Vlaar?'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 22, 2013, 09:20:07 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 22, 2013, 05:55:28 PM

Bent says he's out of here shortly as expected but Ireland has no clue? Shame that.

That Ireland clip brought a tear to my eye....he actually doesn't know whether he is going.
He fcuking wants to be, got to be the biggest waste of talent..
If that guy applied himself, he could have been a legend, do 1 cock muncher, maybe QPR will take ya.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2013, 09:22:31 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 22, 2013, 09:20:07 PM

That Ireland clip brought a tear to my eye....he actually doesn't know whether he is going.
He fcuking wants to be, got to be the biggest waste of talent..
If that guy applied himself, he could have been a legend, do 1 cock muncher, maybe QPR will take ya.

I noticed that even though the clip is only eighteen seconds long and he speaks about ten words, he still managed to make himself sound like the wounded party.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 22, 2013, 09:26:36 PM

Seems that Villa have signed a new young fan in Prince TBC, our future king, should his Dad influence him the right way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 09:37:46 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 22, 2013, 09:22:31 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 22, 2013, 09:20:07 PM

That Ireland clip brought a tear to my eye....he actually doesn't know whether he is going.
He fcuking wants to be, got to be the biggest waste of talent..
If that guy applied himself, he could have been a legend, do 1 cock muncher, maybe QPR will take ya.

I noticed that even though the clip is only eighteen seconds long and he speaks about ten words, he still managed to make himself sound like the wounded party.

I does piss you off with his attitude, such a waste but I guess he doesn't care as he has his wages coming in and his flash motor to ride around in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 09:47:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

How did it finish up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 09:50:11 PM

I hope Bent and Bannan go on and do well wherever they go. I like them both as footballers. There's a really good player in Bannan somewhere and maybe a move might do him good in the long run. As for Ireland, I think that perfomance against Bradford at home made a few peoples minds up about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2013, 10:04:45 PM

Ireland shouldn't bother coming back to BH. A total and utter waster.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 09:47:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

How did it finish up?

Pretty sure we lost 3-2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 10:12:12 PM

Yeah, I think we lost too. Otherwise I'd remember it better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2013, 10:17:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 09:50:11 PM

As for Ireland, I think that perfomance against Bradford at home made a few peoples minds up about him.

Even then, I remember that he tried to chip the keeper from about 20 yards and Duke managed to back-peddle and push it over.

Wonder if that had gone in and we'd gone on to win comfortably as we should have, whether that wouldn't have been his last game for us.

Who knows.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 22, 2013, 11:07:15 PM

Esteban Granero  would do a job at villa can replace stephen ireland and barry bannan in one!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2013, 11:25:53 PM

Yep we lost 3-2. Hadji scored our other goal, which was about as rare a goal as Rudolph's.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 22, 2013, 11:36:29 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 09:47:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?
<<utube clip>>

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

How did it finish up?

Pretty sure we lost 3-2.

We did lose 3-2 after being 3-0 down. It was our first defeat of the season, we'd already won at Anfield and had been going like a train.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 23, 2013, 12:35:13 AM

Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2013, 09:50:11 PM

I hope Bent and Bannan go on and do well wherever they go. I like them both as footballers. There's a really good player in Bannan somewhere and maybe a move might do him good in the long run. As for Ireland, I think that perfomance against Bradford at home made a few peoples minds up about him.

Yeah clampy, sort of with you on that, seem to be 2 genuine guys wanting to play footsie.
Unfortunately no longer fit the bill at VP.
Unsure whether Bannan will make it, I hope so, but see him bouncing around the championship teams. He needs to add a few pounds of muscle, he is a tiny wee thing.
As for Bent, undoubtedly a goal poacher, but again with our new regime, we need a striker who can make runs, see a pass, hold the ball up, which is what we have in Benteke, Bent sometimes is a little laid back for my liking, but like the guy.

Really hope they get the moves they need and wish em all the best, but Ireland can suck on my rather large one the cheese sucking bum fcuker...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 23, 2013, 12:51:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Rose on July 22, 2013, 11:36:29 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on July 22, 2013, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 09:47:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?
<<utube clip>>

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

How did it finish up?

Pretty sure we lost 3-2.

We did lose 3-2 after being 3-0 down. It was our first defeat of the season, we'd already won at Anfield and had been going like a train.

Yeah I remember Gazza was on the bench for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:33:00 AM

I thought Percy was enquiring how the hostage situation finished-up cos he's into that sort of thing.

We were top before that Everton game (and until Nov I think when we got hammered 3-0 at Newcastle)
Villa under Gregory...start like a train, have a mid-season like a car crash and end up 6th or 8th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2013, 01:46:10 AM

Looks like the waster Hutton could be heading back to Mallorca

Hutton to Mallorca (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10195667/Aston-Villa-manager-Paul-Lambert-set-to-offload-Alan-Hutton-on-another-season-long-loan-to-Real-Mallorca.html)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:52:21 AM

Another season loan. So we'll still be stuck with him next summer. Christ almighty. Our recruitment policy 2010-2012 was fucking horrendous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2013, 01:54:31 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:52:21 AM

Another season loan. So we'll still be stuck with him next summer. Christ almighty. Our recruitment policy 2010-2012 was fucking horrendous.

The perfect storm eamonn. Shit player, even shitter contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2013, 02:16:01 AM

Good to see the Bum Squad is being reduced in size.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2013, 08:18:41 AM

I am sure that Hutton said that he only had 1 year left on his contract?

It is dreadful to think of the money that the club / lerner has wasted in salaries and transfer fees in recent years!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 23, 2013, 09:01:48 AM

We definitely lost 3-2 to Everton, that stoppage time goal being a consolation really - I was in Blackpool with 2 mates at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 23, 2013, 09:17:24 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:52:21 AM

Another season loan. So we'll still be stuck with him next summer. Christ almighty. Our recruitment policy 2010-2012 was fucking horrendous.

Doesn't his contract end then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 23, 2013, 09:18:52 AM

HAVE YOU EVER SCORED A GOAL AT ANY LEVEL OF FOOTBALL?

Spurs want you as their new centre forward!

(Lane linked with everyone in Europe with feet.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on July 23, 2013, 09:42:04 AM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 23, 2013, 09:17:24 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:52:21 AM

Another season loan. So we'll still be stuck with him next summer. Christ almighty. Our recruitment policy 2010-2012 was fucking horrendous.

Doesn't his contract end then?

No - think he's got another year. We're stuck with him 'til August 2015

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 23, 2013, 09:59:06 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 22, 2013, 09:47:46 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 22, 2013, 05:44:24 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on July 22, 2013, 05:17:31 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2013, 04:31:13 PM

Schmeichel was crap for us too.

He wasn't crap when he first arrived, he had a good start. His problem was he soon lost interest, as he did at Sporting before and thereafter was crap.

Do you remember this?

I was stuck in a massive traffic jam in Wooton Basset trying to get back from a holiday in Cornwall listening to the radio commentary.  The motorway was shut down because some bright spark was holed up in a service station with a hostage.     

How did it finish up?

A former SEAL, now cook, was the only person who could stop the terrorist when they seized control of the little chef.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 23, 2013, 10:12:02 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 23, 2013, 01:52:21 AM

Another season loan. So we'll still be stuck with him next summer.

Not according to this source: http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/alan-hutton-to-make-mallorca-move-permanent.21681635?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on July 23, 2013, 10:13:37 AM

Yes apparently he has signed for 2 years after being released by us from papertalk on OS hope its true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on July 23, 2013, 10:25:22 AM

Good news!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2013, 10:30:00 AM

1 down 5 to go?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 23, 2013, 11:04:42 AM

Well thats another 40K off the wage bill

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2013, 11:05:46 AM

Quote from: dekko on July 23, 2013, 11:04:42 AM

Well thats another 40K off the wage bill

I imagine less than that because we would have had to contribute to paying him off 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 23, 2013, 11:07:36 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2013, 11:05:46 AM

Quote from: dekko on July 23, 2013, 11:04:42 AM

Well thats another 40K off the wage bill

I imagine less than that because we would have had to contribute to paying him off

Good point.  Still, every little helps, get rid of a few more of the Bomb Squad and we might even be able to sign that attacking mid we're crying out for.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2013, 11:32:54 AM

I reckon we've paid Hutton to go, and guess it will be the same with Given and Ireland. Bent should get us a few million in with no subsidy. Bannan and Fonz we might as well keep for emergencies, unless it's financially advantageous/neutral to us that they go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2013, 11:54:29 AM

We might not have paid to get rid of him. He might have been as keen to leave as we were to get rid. With any luck there's been a mutual agreement that we won't seek a fee if in return, he doesn't demand to be paid off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 23, 2013, 12:04:02 PM

I'm fairly sure that was the agreement with Holman so it's probably a fair guess.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2013, 12:05:35 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2013, 11:54:29 AM

We might not have paid to get rid of him. He might have been as keen to leave as we were to get rid. With any luck there's been a mutual agreement that we won't seek a fee if in return, he doesn't demand to be paid off.

I just think it's unlikely that he'd take such a massive drop in money just to get away. Bear in mind the financial problems for most Spanish clubs, and the club he's gone to were relegated as well weren't they?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 23, 2013, 12:07:19 PM

Somebody should write a book about Villa c. 2010-2013. I'd put Bent on the cover. Sums up what a mad journey we have been on!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2013, 12:08:23 PM

It really depends on the type of footballer he is. Is he someone who genuinely wants first team football and is prepared to sacrifice to get it or is he the type who's content to just sit back with their feet up and collect his salary? We're never going to know for sure, we can only hope it's the former.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on July 23, 2013, 12:11:02 PM

Hutton must have liked the taste of the San Miguel!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 12:11:59 PM

Could be something like he gets £20k a week from them and we pay him off half the difference or something?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2013, 12:13:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2013, 12:08:23 PM

It really depends on the type of footballer he is. Is he someone who genuinely wants first team football and is prepared to sacrifice to get it or is he the type who's content to just sit back with their feet up and collect his salary? We're never going to know for sure, we can only hope it's the former.

I'm a grafter, I've had two jobs (at times four) for over twenty years. So you could say I like going to work. But I'd never leave a job that paid me probablyt thiry grand a week for on that paid about five, no matter how nasty my firm were being to me, and/or if they had nothing for me to do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 12:14:06 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on July 23, 2013, 12:07:19 PM

Somebody should write a book about Villa c. 2010-2013. I'd put Bent on the cover. Sums up what a mad journey we have been on!

Makoun would sum it up nicely and should be on the cover.  Plus, then at least PL would finally know what he looks like.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 23, 2013, 12:16:53 PM

No, no, no.  I'm sorry, the cover should be reserved for...I give you...Mr Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2013, 12:28:28 PM

The title should be "...But I still Love You"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 12:30:42 PM

Title wise I'd go with "So, we got this letter from Sir Alex......"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 23, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

lots of wildereness

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on July 23, 2013, 01:07:10 PM

For once please let Sky be right...Bale off to Real amid runoures he's signed a 6 year deal. Oh my life it would make my day....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 01:10:31 PM

If Real Madrid can get Ronaldo from Man Utd then they can get Bale from Spurs.  It's only a question of if they really want him or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 23, 2013, 01:22:30 PM

They might get 60 or 70 mill for him, but money in the bank does not attract big name players, big name players do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2013, 01:27:40 PM

One of my concerns in selling Benteke for some outrageous fee was that everyone would then know you have this immense pot of cash at your disposal. All of a sudden everyone's selling price just creeps up and negotiations are that much harder. I like that we did our shopping first including buying a forward should the worst have happened. If Spurs sell Bale then getting in replacements may come with a little premium. But then they've got master super duper negotiator Daniel Levy at the helm so they'll be fine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2013, 01:30:34 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2013, 12:13:19 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 23, 2013, 12:08:23 PM

It really depends on the type of footballer he is. Is he someone who genuinely wants first team football and is prepared to sacrifice to get it or is he the type who's content to just sit back with their feet up and collect his salary? We're never going to know for sure, we can only hope it's the former.

I'm a grafter, I've had two jobs (at times four) for over twenty years. So you could say I like going to work. But I'd never leave a job that paid me probablyt thiry grand a week for on that paid about five, no matter how nasty my firm were being to me, and/or if they had nothing for me to do.

Premier League footballers live in another world though. Although money will still be the prime driver for some, for others it needn't be as they already have it. I've known a few wealthy people - some are driven to become wealthier whilst others have lost their hunger and only do something if they enjoy it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 23, 2013, 01:32:27 PM

Bale is probably one of the best 3 or 4 players in the world right now,
 if Spurs sell him there is no way on earth they can replace that sort of quality player

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on July 23, 2013, 01:52:30 PM

Thing is sadly with Spurs, they can just splash however much they like on Brazilians, Argentinians who are all attracted to the money and playing in London.
Doesn't make a great team but it does make it harder for the likes of Villa (and the plan we have to build progressively).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 23, 2013, 01:55:35 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 12:14:06 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on July 23, 2013, 12:07:19 PM

Somebody should write a book about Villa c. 2010-2013. I'd put Bent on the cover. Sums up what a mad journey we have been on!

Makoun would sum it up nicely and should be on the cover.  Plus, then at least PL would finally know what he looks like.

I'd go for a cartoon picture from On the Buses, with Mackoun, Ireland, Bent and Hutton smiling on the top deck, driven by Mcleish towards a town signposted "Wilderness".  On the way they startle Paul Faulkner, who is pushing Jermaine Jenas along the pavement in a wheelchair.  One of the houses they pass has Randy Lerner at the bedroom window; he seems to be rather pleased with a letter in his hand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 23, 2013, 02:52:48 PM

I know its the wrong thread. But AVTV only works on Wycombe game and not the rest. My flash player is up to date ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2013, 03:04:01 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 23, 2013, 02:52:48 PM

I know its the wrong thread. But AVTV only works on Wycombe game and not the rest. My flash player is up to date ?

Wycombe is the first game they're covering. As it turned out, they managed to broadcast about the last two minutes.

Also, you're right, wrong thread. There's a dedicated AVTV thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2013, 05:32:55 PM

Its a tough one. Bale is one of the top five players in the world and he can, and did, when games on his own. But then you are being offered £60 million for him. You cannot sell him, as you will never replace him, but then you cannot turn that kind of scratch down.

Hilarious that its Spurs feeling the squeeze mind. I wonder after he goes whether pundits will queue up to say they are a selling club, as you know they were with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2013, 05:44:29 PM

Have to say, I hate Spurs, I hate their fans, and I hate most of their players. Gareth Bale also has one of the most punchable faces in world football.

Having said all that, I can't remember the last time one player scored as many truly magnificent goals as he did last season.

He's without a doubt one of the best players in Europe of late, and anyone, let alone Spurs, would find it very hard to replace someone like that, even with 65m to spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2013, 05:55:55 PM

Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2013, 05:32:55 PM

Its a tough one. Bale is one of the top five players in the world and he can, and did, when games on his own. But then you are being offered £60 million for him. You cannot sell him, as you will never replace him, but then you cannot turn that kind of scratch down.

Hilarious that its Spurs feeling the squeeze mind. I wonder after he goes whether pundits will queue up to say they are a selling club, as you know they were with us.

I wonder if Real's interest will force Manchester United's hand?  £50m + Ashley Young wouldn't be a bad opening offer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 23, 2013, 06:21:21 PM

Thank for the clip and didn't realise how good is Gareth Bale. He should be at Villa Park :( as we had Southgate, Barry, Farrelly, Williams in the past. It will be interesting to see Ronaldo and Bale playing together.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2013, 06:36:20 PM

Bale has everything you'd want in a top footballer. He's not as good as Ronaldo, but not a million miles behind. He can take over games which only a select few players in the world can do. Spurs not getting Benteke followed by Bale leaving is a couple of massive blows. Sometimes spending money isn't that easy especially given what you are trying to replace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: berneboy on July 23, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2013, 05:44:29 PM

Watching the three at Villa Park was painful and reminded me how poor our defence was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on July 23, 2013, 06:41:03 PM

Bruch Rioch could blast them accurately from distance but even he couldnt hold a light to Bale in his current form.

He is made for Real Madrid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 23, 2013, 06:41:39 PM

He is a bloody brilliant player. Very few as good at scoring goals that truly matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 23, 2013, 07:19:36 PM

Quote from: Ron Manager on July 23, 2013, 06:41:03 PM

Bruch Rioch could blast them accurately from distance but even he couldnt hold a light to Bale in his current form.

He is made for Real Madrid.

yes, but don't forget they have a light weight, computer generated flying saucer of a ball now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2013, 07:20:32 PM

Bale is too good for Spurs. For his career he needs to move to a big club.

 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2013, 07:24:34 PM

If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be very, very worried right now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2013, 07:27:12 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2013, 07:24:34 PM

If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be very, very worried right now.

Somebody should find that cocksucker and tweet him that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2013, 07:30:56 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2013, 07:24:34 PM

If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be very, very worried right now.

Spurs are bracing for the bid from Real Madrid and are in turmoil at the prospect of losing their best player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 23, 2013, 08:04:08 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 23, 2013, 07:30:56 PM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2013, 07:24:34 PM

If I was a Spurs fan, I'd be very, very worried right now.

Spurs are bracing for the bid from Real Madrid and are in turmoil at the prospect of losing their best player.

Real Madrid are lining up a bid as we speak.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

WHATS ALL THIS BALE Business DOING ON VILLAS TRANSFER THREAD

other clubs transfers !! http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.2415

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2013, 08:43:08 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

WHATS ALL THIS BALE Business DOING ON VILLAS TRANSFER THREAD

other clubs transfers !! http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.2415

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

No strikers are coming in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2013, 08:46:06 PM

All shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2013, 09:03:01 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2013, 08:43:08 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

WHATS ALL THIS BALE Business DOING ON VILLAS TRANSFER THREAD

other clubs transfers !! http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.2415

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

No strikers are coming in.

Not the type of striker listed above anyway.  Wouldn't rule out another wide forward or "number 10" type coming in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2013, 09:18:30 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

Five more:

1. Rooney
2. Luke Moore
3. Jens Caspersen
4. Benni McCarthy
5. Stefan Moore

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 23, 2013, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2013, 09:18:30 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

Five more:

1. Rooney
2. Luke Moore
3. Jens Caspersen
4. Benni McCarthy
5. Stefan Moore

Oil givit foive:

1. Mustapha Mond
2. Alfred Prunesqualour
3. Mani di Pressso
4. Flissi T Fellatio
5. Conn E Lingus

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2013, 09:55:12 PM

A center half I think is a must. We won't get one, but it is a must. We've only got Okore, who is still something of an unknown quantity too. A number 10 type of forward/attacking mid is also important. Someone who can make things happen when we're struggling to break teams down. We can't just rely purely on Benteke.

Hutton is seemingly on his way, Bent won't be be long either. I think Bannan should get another club in the next few weeks. Once we shift a few I think Lambert will have another couple of in-bounds.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2013, 10:15:33 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 23, 2013, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2013, 09:18:30 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

Five more:

1. Rooney
2. Luke Moore
3. Jens Caspersen
4. Benni McCarthy
5. Stefan Moore

Oil givit foive:

1. Mustapha Mond
2. Alfred Prunesqualour
3. Mani di Pressso
4. Flissi T Fellatio
5. Conn E Lingus

My five:

1. Oyvey Votaplayer (Maccabi Tel Aviv)
2. Hans Downmypantz (Red Bull Salzburg)
3. Thierry Ploppyploppy (FC Girondins de Bordeaux)
4. Zavid Bowie (Racing Club Warwick)
5. Giovanni Waddayagoddado (NY Red Bulls).

I also think we should build a statue of Jozy Altibore HE'S GOING TO BE IMMENSE

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 23, 2013, 10:38:58 PM

We have more strikers than British Leyland. By the sound of the latest defensive horror show, it's centre halves that we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on July 23, 2013, 10:50:55 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2013, 10:15:33 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 23, 2013, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2013, 09:18:30 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

Five more:

1. Rooney
2. Luke Moore
3. Jens Caspersen
4. Benni McCarthy
5. Stefan Moore

Oil givit foive:

1. Mustapha Mond
2. Alfred Prunesqualour
3. Mani di Pressso
4. Flissi T Fellatio
5. Conn E Lingus

My five:

1. Oyvey Votaplayer (Maccabi Tel Aviv)
2. Hans Downmypantz (Red Bull Salzburg)
3. Thierry Ploppyploppy (FC Girondins de Bordeaux)
4. Zavid Bowie (Racing Club Warwick)
5. Giovanni Waddayagoddado (NY Red Bulls).

I also think we should build a statue of Jozy Altibore HE'S GOING TO BE IMMENSE

Lem Hibs were  in for him, but he's now gone to seek fame at Suffragette City.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 23, 2013, 10:59:31 PM

Inter’s proposed move for Basel’s Aleksandar Dragovic (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/serie-italian-transfer-news-napoli-agree-higuain-deal-081020637.html) has hit a snag, so the Nerazzurri are focusing their attention on Danilo.

The 22-year-old Austria international has been heavily linked with a move to San Siro this summer, with stories emerging earlier this month that a deal had all-but been agreed.

However, negotiations have hit stalemate, and as such Walter Mazzarri’s side are focusing on other targets – one of those being Udinese’s Brazilian defender.

The 29-year-old was virtually ever-present for the Zebrette last season playing in 32 League games for Francesco Guidolin’s men.

He could be available for around €8m.

Given our current defensive worries it would be nice to think someone like this was a possible target.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2013, 11:10:41 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2013, 09:55:12 PM

A center half I think is a must. We won't get one, but it is a must.

With the run of games we have August-Nov, I don't think it will be a complete surprise to most if we're on the end of some pretty ugly scorelines.   Some of our worst games are in August, and that might increase the pressure to strengthen the backline.

Of course, we might start the season like a house on fire, making such concerns redundant.

But the first game that looks anything like a home banker to me (and we know football rarely works out that way) is Cardiff at home in November. Some might point to Newcastle at home in September, but we often struggle against them during good times and bad.  Hull City away in early October looks like a decent chance of three points too, but dealing with Steve Bruce sides is usually about as comfortable (and as entertaining) as root canal surgery.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2013, 11:27:30 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 23, 2013, 11:10:41 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 23, 2013, 09:55:12 PM

A center half I think is a must. We won't get one, but it is a must.

With the run of games we have August-Nov, I don't think it will be a complete surprise to most if we're on the end of some pretty ugly scorelines.   Some of our worst games are in August, and that might increase the pressure to strengthen the backline.

Of course, we might start the season like a house on fire, making such concerns redundant.

But the first game that looks anything like a home banker to me (and we know football rarely works out that way) is Cardiff at home in November. Some might point to Newcastle at home in September, but we often struggle against them during good times and bad.  Hull City away in early October looks like a decent chance of three points too, but dealing with Steve Bruce sides is usually about as comfortable (and as entertaining) as root canal surgery.

Chelsea away has been postponed. So we have Arsenal away where we have a decent record and Liverpool at home. Points in both is a possibility. I think some folks are making far too much of this supposed tough start.

Up to the end of November the only 2 tough away games are Arsenal and possibly Chelsea depending on when it was rescheduled. At home we have Liverpool, Spurs, Man City and Everton. Only one of those that would worry me is City. Racists have Goofy suspended, Spurs may have a new manager and no Bale, Everton have a new manager so who knows how they will do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 23, 2013, 11:43:06 PM

I'd fancy that we'll play Arsenal before they've sorted themselves out a new striker. I also don't think the Suarez issue will be resolved either, which will effect Liverpool. I'd fancy us to get a couple of points minimum. Liverpool also have to bed in a new defence now that Carraghers hung his boots up. Can see Tekkers cleaning house.

I do still fancy us to outscore teams. But our defence won't be much better than the tail end of last season without a quality addition. I don't think we'll be december-Jan bad by any means, but clean sheets are unlikely. A really quality center back who can organise could solve half the problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 12:08:47 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2013, 08:43:08 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

WHATS ALL THIS BALE Business DOING ON VILLAS TRANSFER THREAD

other clubs transfers !! http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.2415

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

No strikers are coming in.

is that way the case ? Bent not being replaced??
also Mourinho chelsea were trying to bring villa match forward before super cup as its postponed and before they play man utd on 27th.
also Jozy altidore should be playing v Spurs 11am in asia cup today .. lets see how spurs defense handles him!!!
west brom interested in craig gards!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2013, 12:17:36 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 12:08:47 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2013, 08:43:08 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 23, 2013, 08:39:02 PM

WHATS ALL THIS BALE Business DOING ON VILLAS TRANSFER THREAD

other clubs transfers !! http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.2415

Anyways 5 strikers who could come in when Bent departs
1. Austin
2. Hooper
3. Vdyra
4. Ba
5. Cisse

No strikers are coming in.

is that way the case ? Bent not being replaced??
also Mourinho chelsea were trying to bring villa match forward before super cup as its postponed and before they play man utd on 27th.
also Jozy altidore should be playing v Spurs 11am in asia cup today .. lets see how spurs defense handles him!!!
west brom interested in craig gards!

I'd guess Helenius is the replacement for Bent. Plus with so many promising youngster coming through we should be well covered. Wiemann too is best through the middle so if injuries dictate he may get moved in field. There's no way we'll buy another out and out striker. If anything we may get someone who can cover attacking mid or one of the wide forward roles.

VK do you have Altidore posters in your bedroom by any chance? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 12:37:07 AM

Just the dutch leagues and the razzmatazz of the goals and attacks .. Really intrigued to how he ll go - many strikers signed so far in window perhaps him and the rock me amadeus be best buys !. More importantly helenuis being a hit is what i really hope and i can only see benteke getting better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 01:01:30 AM

Alot of people seem to be talking of getting another centre back in ! Is this due to pre season so far? If looking at that position for competition a name i suggest is grant hanley of blackburn rovers a kinda Phil Jones but cheaper - has prem experience and is only 21. Steven Taylor would be good for experience and leadership but think stifle the up coming players so would side with hanley. Skrtel been touted in past but dont think he will be coming similar lescott brambles or Alex pearce.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 24, 2013, 01:15:31 AM

I love a Lescott Bramble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OzVilla on July 24, 2013, 01:34:05 AM

A shiver has just gone down my spine at the thought of introducing Steven Taylor to our already shambolic defence. 

He's absolutley dreadful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 01:34:37 AM

Is Lescott Brambles related to Jackie?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on July 24, 2013, 06:45:47 AM

Lescott brambles sounds a bit thorny to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on July 24, 2013, 06:56:53 AM

I heard Lescott Brambles aint berry good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:39:23 AM

Steven Taylor is absolutely rubbish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on July 24, 2013, 08:36:19 AM

I'm not sure how bad we would have to get before Steven Taylor looked like a good signing, but we're really not there yet.

Maybe if the players were doing an am-dram performance of Saving Private Ryan, he could be useful, but otherwise he is completely shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2013, 08:45:36 AM

I read in one of the national rags a while back that Newcastle value Steven Taylor at £8m. I don't think so somehow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2013, 09:01:25 AM

Quote from: Olneythelonely on July 24, 2013, 01:15:31 AM

I love a Lescott Bramble.

'Tis a fine Real Ale

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 24, 2013, 09:47:14 AM

This was mentioned last year, but i'd rather spend a substantial amount of money on a brilliant defensive coach than bring in another defender that isn't up to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 24, 2013, 09:47:32 AM

Well pre-season or not pre-season, I'm starting to get worried. I'm struggling to see where the lessons of last year have been learnt.

I know a lot of you dont rate Vlaar but we're undoubtedly weaker without him. If he gets injured for any serious length of time we're in the shit.

I dont mind the young and hungry thing but is PL really so blinkered by it that he doesnt feel there might be a requirement for a contingency plan at some point? Even that famous 'win nothing with kids Man U side contained the likes of Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Keane, Cantona and Cole. Which a lot of people tend to forget.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 24, 2013, 09:47:14 AM

This was mentioned last year, but i'd rather spend a substantial amount of money on a brilliant defensive coach than bring in another defender that isn't up to it.

Wasn't one of the new additions to the coaching team over the summer a defensive coach?

I might have actually just imagined that, though, so may be wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 24, 2013, 09:58:08 AM

I find it really surprising that Lambert, who seems to have his coaching philosophy firmly entrenched in the German methodology, seems so poor and getting a defence sorted, which is a fundemental of German football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 24, 2013, 10:12:30 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 24, 2013, 09:47:14 AM

This was mentioned last year, but i'd rather spend a substantial amount of money on a brilliant defensive coach than bring in another defender that isn't up to it.

Wasn't one of the new additions to the coaching team over the summer a defensive coach?

I might have actually just imagined that, though, so may be wrong.

It is worth reiterating that Lambert's teams,prior to his Villa appointment,had a very good defensive record.In his first season at Norwich ,he turned around a defence that suffered an opening home loss of 7-0,inflicted by his own side,into the meanest in that league.Check the defensive records of Wycombe 2006-8 and Colchester 2008-9 in comparison to their league positions.
I do agree ,however,that if Okore does not possess good aerial prowess then a dominant centre back should be bought. That is not an indictment of the defensive coaching but of the personnel in defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 10:17:48 AM

Not too sure it's that straightforward.

His Norwich side, in their first season up, conceded more away goals than anyone that season with the exception of the relegated sides and QPR, and more home goals than anyone other than the relegated sides.

he obviously did something right to get them there in the first place, and then keep them there, but I don't really see anything to suggest his teams have ever really defended that well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 24, 2013, 10:19:57 AM

Quote

I do agree ,however,that if Okore does not possess good aerial prowess then a dominant centre back should be bought. That is not an indictment of the defensive coaching but of the personnel in defence.

I think Lambert knows this. He seems to be adding height to the team since Jan (Sylla, Okore) to give us more of a 'presence'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 10:24:50 AM

Quote from: OzVilla on July 24, 2013, 01:34:05 AM

A shiver has just gone down my spine at the thought of introducing Steven Taylor to our already shambolic defence. 

It'd be like moaning to the Mrs that the kids are making a mess in the living room, then ushering a wild boar in to the room.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 24, 2013, 10:34:55 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 24, 2013, 09:47:14 AM

This was mentioned last year, but i'd rather spend a substantial amount of money on a brilliant defensive coach than bring in another defender that isn't up to it.

The last "Defensive Co-ordinator" that I remember was Mark Lawrenson at Newcastle. Did that work ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 24, 2013, 10:37:51 AM

Was quite impressed with Sean Morrison at reading. 6ft 4ins 21 yrs and was very good at aerial challenges. Young and hungry ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 24, 2013, 11:00:41 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 24, 2013, 10:37:51 AM

Was quite impressed with Sean Morrison at reading. 6ft 4ins 21 yrs and was very good at aerial challenges. Young and hungry ?

Good shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on July 24, 2013, 11:03:09 AM

So according to the papers on The OS Bent is on £80,000 a week over 4m a year no wonder we want rid and  he hasnt gone yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on July 24, 2013, 12:33:17 PM

unbelievable what some of our players are paid - for not achieving a lot!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 12:37:07 PM

The Bent goals guaranteed us staying up in 10/11 and 11/12. We could give him away tomorrow and his signing would have paid for itself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 24, 2013, 12:37:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 10:17:48 AM

Not too sure it's that straightforward.

His Norwich side, in their first season up, conceded more away goals than anyone that season with the exception of the relegated sides and QPR, and more home goals than anyone other than the relegated sides.

he obviously did something right to get them there in the first place, and then keep them there, but I don't really see anything to suggest his teams have ever really defended that well.

In 11/12 Norwich only kept 2 clean sheets in the league all season (0-0 against Chelsea in January and 2-0 against us in May).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 12:39:26 PM

Quote from: dekko on July 24, 2013, 12:37:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 10:17:48 AM

Not too sure it's that straightforward.

His Norwich side, in their first season up, conceded more away goals than anyone that season with the exception of the relegated sides and QPR, and more home goals than anyone other than the relegated sides.

he obviously did something right to get them there in the first place, and then keep them there, but I don't really see anything to suggest his teams have ever really defended that well.

In 11/12 Norwich only kept 2 clean sheets in the league all season (0-0 against Chelsea in January and 2-0 against us in May).

And at home to Bolton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 12:39:37 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 23, 2013, 01:55:35 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 23, 2013, 12:14:06 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on July 23, 2013, 12:07:19 PM

Somebody should write a book about Villa c. 2010-2013. I'd put Bent on the cover. Sums up what a mad journey we have been on!

Makoun would sum it up nicely and should be on the cover.  Plus, then at least PL would finally know what he looks like.

I'd go for a cartoon picture from On the Buses, with Mackoun, Ireland, Bent and Hutton smiling on the top deck, driven by Mcleish towards a town signposted "Wilderness".  On the way they startle Paul Faulkner, who is pushing Jermaine Jenas along the pavement in a wheelchair.  One of the houses they pass has Randy Lerner at the bedroom window; he seems to be rather pleased with a letter in his hand.

That website run by an artist who takes suggestions of unlikely cultural scenarios, perhaps sporting too and illustrates them needs to see this and we can make it real. Can't remember his name but it's Plumbutt Cooper's favourite thing on the internetz.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2013, 01:13:01 PM

Eat Sleep Sport (http://www.eatsleepsport.com/fulham/fulham-baulk-at-bent-package-1609582.html#.Ue-7mW0izCE)

Quote

Fulham have dropped out of the running to sign Aston Villa's Darren Bent over his wages, leaving Newcastle in pole position.
The out-of-favour striker is desperate to get away from Villa Park after being overlooked by boss Paul Lambert, but appears reluctant to drop his earnings from £80,00-a-week.

Cottagers boss Martin Jol, despite seemingly having funds at his disposal following the club's takeover, has baulked at the size of the deal required - which could have amounted to more than £12million over three seasons just on wages.

Bent cost Villa a club-record £24m when he joined them from Sunderland in January, 2011.

But he was frozen out by the arrival of Christian Benteke last year and, with the Belgian hitman withdrawing a transfer request to sign a new deal, he knows he won't be featuring much if he were to stay at Villa Park.

However, he flourished under Newcastle United manager Pardew when the pair worked together at Charlton from 2005-07.

And he was recorded this week telling a young Villa fan: "I'll be out of here pretty soon, I'm sure."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2013, 01:17:42 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on July 24, 2013, 12:33:17 PM

unbelievable what some of our players are paid - for not achieving a lot!

i'd say Bent's done exactly what he was brought in to do. to get on the end of the service and stick the ball in the net

a. he didn't know that within 6 months of coming in we'd have sold the Young & Downing supply line for a combined 38m and tried to replace with a 9m N'Zogbia who's assist record was never on a par with even one of them never mind the pair

b. he's also missed about a season with injury and then been frozen out by Lambert despite the team struggling to score and win games

it's all a rather sad and depressing story to my mind

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2013, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 12:37:07 PM

The Bent goals guaranteed us staying up in 10/11 and 11/12. We could give him away tomorrow and his signing would have paid for itself.

Gabby kept us up in 11/12 by being on fire til (ironically) Bonfire Night and winning us plenty of points. He set up most of Bent's and scored as many himself.

10/11 I'll give you, although Gabby did score the 'staying up' goal, away at West Ham, after which we'd have stayed up had we not got another point. As he did at Norich of course last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 24, 2013, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 09:55:00 AM

Wasn't one of the new additions to the coaching team over the summer a defensive coach?

I might have actually just imagined that, though, so may be wrong.

Aye. Scott Marshall, formerly of Arsenal and their renowned back four/five.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: onje_villa on July 24, 2013, 01:54:17 PM

Scott Marshall was a midfielder surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 24, 2013, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 12:39:37 PM

That website run by an artist who takes suggestions of unlikely cultural scenarios, perhaps sporting too and illustrates them needs to see this and we can make it real. Can't remember his name but it's Plumbutt Cooper's favourite thing on the internetz.

http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2013, 02:13:20 PM

Quote from: onje_villa on July 24, 2013, 01:54:17 PM

Scott Marshall was a midfielder surely?

Full back apparently. I honestly can't remember him playing, but he only had 25 games for Arsenal in 7 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 02:53:44 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2013, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 12:37:07 PM

The Bent goals guaranteed us staying up in 10/11 and 11/12. We could give him away tomorrow and his signing would have paid for itself.

Gabby kept us up in 11/12 by being on fire til (ironically) Bonfire Night and winning us plenty of points. He set up most of Bent's and scored as many himself.

10/11 I'll give you, although Gabby did score the 'staying up' goal, away at West Ham, after which we'd have stayed up had we not got another point. As he did at Norich of course last season.

Or the fact Gabby couldn't hit a barn door after Bonfire night was the reason we struggled in 11/12?  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 24, 2013, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on July 24, 2013, 02:00:30 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 12:39:37 PM

That website run by an artist who takes suggestions of unlikely cultural scenarios, perhaps sporting too and illustrates them needs to see this and we can make it real. Can't remember his name but it's Plumbutt Cooper's favourite thing on the internetz.

http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/

Seriously - Jim'll Paint It?????

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2013, 03:06:44 PM

Yeah, his name is Jim but he's no kiddy-fiddler.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2013, 05:02:32 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 02:53:44 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2013, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 12:37:07 PM

The Bent goals guaranteed us staying up in 10/11 and 11/12. We could give him away tomorrow and his signing would have paid for itself.

Gabby kept us up in 11/12 by being on fire til (ironically) Bonfire Night and winning us plenty of points. He set up most of Bent's and scored as many himself.

10/11 I'll give you, although Gabby did score the 'staying up' goal, away at West Ham, after which we'd have stayed up had we not got another point. As he did at Norich of course last season.

Or the fact Gabby couldn't hit a barn door after Bonfire night was the reason we struggled in 11/12?  ;)

Fuck, we should have sacked him instead of TSM. What have we done?!

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 24, 2013, 06:42:20 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 24, 2013, 10:34:55 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on July 24, 2013, 09:47:14 AM

This was mentioned last year, but i'd rather spend a substantial amount of money on a brilliant defensive coach than bring in another defender that isn't up to it.

The last "Defensive Co-ordinator" that I remember was Mark Lawrenson at Newcastle. Did that work ?

I was thinking that. Do any other teams have a dedicated coach just for the defence?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 06:46:15 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 10:17:48 AM

Not too sure it's that straightforward.

His Norwich side, in their first season up, conceded more away goals than anyone that season with the exception of the relegated sides and QPR, and more home goals than anyone other than the relegated sides.

he obviously did something right to get them there in the first place, and then keep them there, but I don't really see anything to suggest his teams have ever really defended that well.

Yeah as I've said elsewhere Norwich didn't even have the best defensive record when they romped league one or were promoted from the championship, it's not a strength of Lambert's management it's fair to say.

That said would it really be much different to 07/08 (4-4 at Chelsea and 4-4 at Spurs amongst others or 08/09 (5-0 at Liverrool, 3-3 at home to Everton). Conceded plenty of goals that season (and that was with Laursen in there) but our very effective attack got us plenty of wins so I see the same happening here.

In the first half of last season we weren't actually that bad defensively, look at the run from October 20th to December 22nd:

1-0 Fulham
1-1 Norwich
0-1 Sunderland
2-3 Man. United
5-0 Man. City
0-0 Arsenal
1-0 Reading
1-1 QPR
0-0 Stoke
1-3 Liverpool

O.k we were playing some dross in that period but that's a 10 game sample of the season including a few games when we were playing the dreaded 5 at the back. Take away 30 minutes of brilliant individual Hernandez finishing and when we collapsed at City after that ridiculous penalty award and it shows you a spell when we actually weren't conceding a bucketload of goals, 12 goals conceded in 10 games.

Certainly Chelsea completely destroyed that and we've been conceding 2 goals a game on average since.

That said we'll be playing teams who have powderpuff attacks so we can outscore them. For example if the best Crystal Palace can do is resign Kevin Phillips and sign Carlton Cole then I'd be confident even we can keep a clean sheet against them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2013, 06:52:25 PM

Don't forget mighty Dwight Gayle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 06:54:58 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 06:46:15 PM

That said we'll be playing teams who have powderpuff attacks so we can outscore them. For example if the best Crystal Palace can do is resign Kevin Phillips and sign Carlton Cole then I'd be confident even we can keep a clean sheet against them.

It feels like such a long time since we kept a clean sheet, I'm doubtful we ever will, to be honest.

The outscoring thing is fine, but think how much better off we'd be if we could defend, as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:02:41 PM

Well we were much better defensively for years under Gregory but we drew a shedload of games which stopped us getting any higher than 6th I think?

That's the crux of it isn't it, if we could defend properly then we'd be winning every week and challenging for the league. Easy peasey.

But would defending better as a unit mean Gabby and Weimann having to track back much more and so meaning Benteke is more isolated upfront and less chances?

Personally I prefer to see us scoring goals and we won enough games in the second half of the season to suggest that's the model worth preserving with as plenty of teams in the league won't have forward lines like we do.

I'd also hope that Luna is better defensively at LB than Bennett is and I'd be amazed if Okore isn't a better centre half than Ciaran Clark so that would mean 50% of our back 4 improving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 24, 2013, 07:03:34 PM

I'd be happy to only concede one a game to be honest. Do that and you'd fancy us to get 2-3 against a lot of clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dekko on July 24, 2013, 07:14:55 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:02:41 PM

Well we were much better defensively for years under Gregory but we drew a shedload of games which stopped us getting any higher than 6th I think?

That's the crux of it isn't it, if we could defend properly then we'd be winning every week and challenging for the league. Easy peasey.

But would defending better as a unit mean Gabby and Weimann having to track back much more and so meaning Benteke is more isolated upfront and less chances?

Personally I prefer to see us scoring goals and we won enough games in the second half of the season to suggest that's the model worth preserving with as plenty of teams in the league won't have forward lines like we do.

I'd also hope that Luna is better defensively at LB than Bennett is and I'd be amazed if Okore isn't a better centre half than Ciaran Clark so that would mean 50% of our back 4 improving.

Its been mentioned before in this thread, but I think it bears repeating - conceding goals because, for instance, Gabby and Andi are up supporting Benteke, or conceding because Lowton is caught out from getting forward is ok - if we're going to be playing the attacking football most of us want to see, you'll just have to take that risk.  The real problems come when you're also conceding from stupid errors and awful set piece defending, and I hope Lambert and co can sort it out or else our fantastic attack is going to be badly wasted.

EDIT oops, sorry I thought I was in the defending thread

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:53:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I agree but it has worked for us on occasions. 07/08, remember the 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 07:56:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I still prefer it to hoping for a 1-0 like we did under Gregory or McLeish. Or in the case of McLeish, hoping to only lose 1-0.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve kirk on July 24, 2013, 07:57:31 PM

I have a lot of faith in Paul Lambert except where central defence is concerned, he is obviously happy with the 4 centre backs we have but I just cannot see why, that area of the team may well be our achilles heel for the 2nd season on the trot and may well see us struggle again next season,
I obviously hope I am wrong.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2013, 07:58:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

Or at least hit a glass ceiling.

The game has evolved into a more attacking one so clean sheets are rarer across the board than they used to be. However, there should still be the odd one here and there. I don't want to get caught up too much in the pre-season friendlies and we were obviously fighting for our lives last season so it remains to be seen whether we can get the odd clean sheet this season. Maybe by adding Okore and with the midfield providing some better support this season we might get the odd one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 24, 2013, 08:00:15 PM

So to recap, Liverpool are letting their player talk to Arsenal, James Alexander Gordon can no longer talk and Gareth Bale wants to talk Spanish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 24, 2013, 08:14:38 PM

To be fair to that Spurs ITK tosser on Twitter, he reckons Bale is off too. I will commiserate hypocritically when he goes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2013, 08:41:34 PM

Whilst I find it deliciously ironic with it looking like Bale's off, I also find it a bit disappointing just because he's a class player to watch and often in a game that was going nowhere he would spark it to life. I'm sure I'll be over it once I see Spurs fans wallowing in their own tears.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RossLeach on July 24, 2013, 08:51:19 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:53:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I agree but it has worked for us on occasions. 07/08, remember the 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea?

I don't want to rememeber the 4-4 at Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 24, 2013, 09:30:23 PM

I am with Dekko here, I am fine with conceding because we are pouring forward, but not fine when Vlaar loses his man from a corner, or Benteke is put man to man on corners when all and sundry can see he should be screening the near post. Lambert has some near on god like qualities for me, he impresses at almost every turn, but his woeful defensive coaching is truly his achilles heel. I hope the new coach can in time sort it, but for me we have to screen the back 4 better, Sylla helped with that, we have to have the full backs cover across better, Bennett especially, and we need to hope Okore is the second coming.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2013, 10:06:13 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:53:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I agree but it has worked for us on occasions. 07/08, remember the 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea?

I'm not sure I'd call throwing away healthy leads in those games evidence of it working. Had we gone out all guns blazing to fight back then I'd say that it could be seen as successful, but turning a 2-0 lead and a 4-1 lead into just two points isn't really a positive thing, anymore than throwing away a two goal lead against West Brom last season was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 10:09:48 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 24, 2013, 10:06:13 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2013, 07:53:53 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I agree but it has worked for us on occasions. 07/08, remember the 4-4s at Spurs and Chelsea?

I'm not sure I'd call throwing away healthy leads in those games evidence of it working. Had we gone out all guns blazing to fight back then I'd say that it could be seen as successful, but turning a 2-0 lead and a 4-1 lead into just two points isn't really a positive thing, anymore than throwing away a two goal lead against West Brom last season was.

O.k we still finished 6th both seasons despite conceding quite a few goals at various times in the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 07:56:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I still prefer it to hoping for a 1-0 like we did under Gregory or McLeish. Or in the case of McLeish, hoping to only lose 1-0.

regards ardiles-like he was a midfielder not a defender so cant really apply that as his focus was more on creativity and attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 24, 2013, 11:11:53 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 24, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 24, 2013, 07:56:40 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2013, 07:11:07 PM

I think the relying on scoring more and putting up with the bad defending, Ardiles-like, is very risky indeed.

Teams which defend badly do not do well.

I still prefer it to hoping for a 1-0 like we did under Gregory or McLeish. Or in the case of McLeish, hoping to only lose 1-0.

regards ardiles-like he was a midfielder not a defender so cant really apply that as his focus was more on creativity and attack.

I think the poster was refering to Ardiles approach to tactics and management as opposed to his on field position in prior years. A wonderful footballer, general nice guy, who had to put up with bigoted shit (because the country he was from was managed by fascist expansionist lunatics at the time), but I bet he paid more income tax than most of his 'peers' 30 years on. He also gave the Boggies false hope.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 24, 2013, 11:19:40 PM

Quote from: Steve kirk on July 24, 2013, 07:57:31 PM

I have a lot of faith in Paul Lambert except where central defence is concerned, he is obviously happy with the 4 centre backs we have but I just cannot see why, that area of the team may well be our achilles heel for the 2nd season on the trot and may well see us struggle again next season,
I obviously hope I am wrong.

My thoughts exactly, we are still relying on Okore to be a success. If he isn't or he is injured for any length of time...
I don't have the concerns that I had in January, but I really don't want to see the opposition licking their lips like they were last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 01:39:24 AM

Ireland and Given off to, er, Doncaster?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-stephen-2086709

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 02:37:40 AM

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3bzc40g2o1r1awtfo1_250.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2013, 04:09:44 AM

Well how the mighty have fallen!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 25, 2013, 06:51:44 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 02:37:40 AM

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3bzc40g2o1r1awtfo1_250.gif)

No quotes, and its the Mirror... But please let it be true!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 07:09:31 AM

It says a lot about, apart from Bent, the so called bomb squad that the clubs interested appear to be second tier sides. Lambert has their ability marked. Bannan to Blackburn, fonz to Wolves, mutton to mallorca, Given and Ireland to Doncaster. I think it says a lot about them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 07:37:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 07:09:31 AM

It says a lot about, apart from Bent, the so called bomb squad that the clubs interested appear to be second tier sides. Lambert has their ability marked. Bannan to Blackburn, fonz to Wolves, mutton to mallorca, Given and Ireland to Doncaster. I think it says a lot about them.

Indeed, but none of them have gone yet have they? We were celebrating Hutton's departure the other day and then the fucker turns up in the squad number list.

I ask again - has he gone or not?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 08:03:28 AM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 25, 2013, 06:51:44 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 02:37:40 AM

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3bzc40g2o1r1awtfo1_250.gif)

No quotes, and its the Mirror... But please let it be true!

Yeah I want these bastards gone. I was feeling generous for a few weeks, but now? They just need to piss off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 09:39:52 AM

Quote from: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 01:39:24 AM

Ireland and Given off to, er, Doncaster?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-stephen-2086709

What have Doncaster ever done to us to deserve this ? .................... Oh wait ...........................

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 25, 2013, 09:50:28 AM

Hopefully we tie these deals up soon and get them out. In all honesty, as it seems with Hutton. I'd negotiate Ireland out of his contract if possible. Let him move their permanently rather than on loan. It'd make more sense. In terms of Given, perhaps if we have a recall option it could suit us if Guzan goes off injured and Steer isn't quite ready.

We seem to have 8 odd players on the bomb squad so perhaps once we've trimmed that by half, Lambert will be given the greenlight to make 1-2 more signings. Full understand if we're holding off at the minute because our squad on paper is very big now, and that's not including half a dozen very promising nippers coming through, who conceivably could have some impact in the coming season if the fates allow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 25, 2013, 10:01:15 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 08:03:28 AM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 25, 2013, 06:51:44 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2013, 02:37:40 AM

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3bzc40g2o1r1awtfo1_250.gif)

No quotes, and its the Mirror... But please let it be true!

Yeah I want these bastards gone. I was feeling generous for a few weeks, but now? They just need to piss off.

Bit harsh calling Given a bastard.

Ireland however...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 25, 2013, 10:04:31 AM

Don't get too excited just yet. Rovers are still in talks with the Irish consortium who are planning to plough cash in according to local sources, (this is local press and a few fans with relatives who work there, not claiming to be itk) until then all transfers are on hold until Dickov confirms his budget.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 10:06:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 09:39:52 AM

Quote from: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 01:39:24 AM

Ireland and Given off to, er, Doncaster?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-stephen-2086709

What have Doncaster ever done to us to deserve this ? .................... Oh wait ...........................

I have a soft spot for Doncaster ever since we played them in the cup a few years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 25, 2013, 10:10:50 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 10:06:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 09:39:52 AM

Quote from: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 01:39:24 AM

Ireland and Given off to, er, Doncaster?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-stephen-2086709

What have Doncaster ever done to us to deserve this ? .................... Oh wait ...........................

I have a soft spot for Doncaster ever since we played them in the cup a few years ago.

We've played them twice in the cup in the last few years. I wouldn't imagine the first one led to many of our fans developing a soft spot for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 25, 2013, 10:12:49 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 07:37:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 07:09:31 AM

It says a lot about, apart from Bent, the so called bomb squad that the clubs interested appear to be second tier sides. Lambert has their ability marked. Bannan to Blackburn, fonz to Wolves, mutton to mallorca, Given and Ireland to Doncaster. I think it says a lot about them.

Indeed, but none of them have gone yet have they? We were celebrating Hutton's departure the other day and then the fucker turns up in the squad number list.

I ask again - has he gone or not?

I don't think Hutton has gone yet. If he does go to Mallorca I would imagnine we'd still be paying the majority of his wages. They were struggling to match his wages when in the top flight, and they've now been relegated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 10:16:13 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 07:37:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 07:09:31 AM

It says a lot about, apart from Bent, the so called bomb squad that the clubs interested appear to be second tier sides. Lambert has their ability marked. Bannan to Blackburn, fonz to Wolves, mutton to mallorca, Given and Ireland to Doncaster. I think it says a lot about them.

Indeed, but none of them have gone yet have they? We were celebrating Hutton's departure the other day and then the fucker turns up in the squad number list.

I ask again - has he gone or not?

There was some question over whether he was signing permanently or on another's year's loan.  Since he's been included on the squad list it looks like its the latter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 10:35:40 AM

Quote from: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 10:16:13 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 07:37:10 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 07:09:31 AM

It says a lot about, apart from Bent, the so called bomb squad that the clubs interested appear to be second tier sides. Lambert has their ability marked. Bannan to Blackburn, fonz to Wolves, mutton to mallorca, Given and Ireland to Doncaster. I think it says a lot about them.

Indeed, but none of them have gone yet have they? We were celebrating Hutton's departure the other day and then the fucker turns up in the squad number list.

I ask again - has he gone or not?

There was some question over whether he was signing permanently or on another's year's loan.  Since he's been included on the squad list it looks like its the latter.

(http://i.imgur.com/2rGrNGt.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 10:41:29 AM

In sheer footballing terms, it doesn't matter whether they go or not ans they won't be playing.  All I'd do is, if they do go on loan, is have recall options for Bent and Given as they can offer something if we have an injury crisis.  As for the rest, I honestly think Lambert would give Randy a run out before playing any of them.

So it's purely a financial issue.  And although it would be nice, I do think Randy will sanction more deals even if we can't shift them.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 25, 2013, 11:04:27 AM

Villa Transfer News (@TransferVillan) tweeted at 10:54 AM on Thu, Jul 25, 2013:
As I tweeted earlier, #avfc officials are meeting with Marco Capuano. Radio Sei just announced the transfer is to be confirmed tomorrow.

odd one to make up if not genuine.....?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 25, 2013, 11:09:20 AM

Quote from: mr woo on July 25, 2013, 11:04:27 AM

Villa Transfer News (@TransferVillan) tweeted at 10:54 AM on Thu, Jul 25, 2013:
As I tweeted earlier, #avfc officials are meeting with Marco Capuano. Radio Sei just announced the transfer is to be confirmed tomorrow.

odd one to make up if not genuine.....?

Never heard of the guy. Any good?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 25, 2013, 11:12:05 AM

Me neither mate. Italian 21 year old central defender apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 11:13:51 AM

Reported to be left footed, in the Italy U21 side, but Pescara conceded something stupid like 30 more goals than anyone else last season! Can't see it myself, but you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 11:16:05 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 10:41:29 AM

In sheer footballing terms, it doesn't matter whether they go or not ans they won't be playing.  All I'd do is, if they do go on loan, is have recall options for Bent and Given as they can offer something if we have an injury crisis.  As for the rest, I honestly think Lambert would give Randy a run out before playing any of them.

So it's purely a financial issue.  And although it would be nice, I do think Randy will sanction more deals even if we can't shift them.
 

He might, but I think the wage bill is probably 8-12million higher now than as of the last game of the season. Shifting 5-6 of the "bomb squad" would probably balance it all back out and give scope for 2-3 more players to come in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 25, 2013, 11:18:59 AM

Quote

Pescara Starlet Chased By Serie A Clubs

Pescara youngster Marco Capuano could find himself back in Serie A soon with Livorno and Bologna interested in signing the youngster.

The Italian U-21 defender was one of the few bright spots on Pescara last season as they slumped to a disappointing 20th place finish and were thus relegated to Serie B.

According to Sky Sports, Livorno and Bologna are interested in a possible loan deal for the 21-year-old’s services along with an option to sign him for €2.2 million.

The Pescara-native appeared in 26 matches for the Delfini last season. He has also appeared in 18 matches for the Italian Under 21 side.

He's tagged as a 'starlet'. I though only blonde movie stars were thus?

Not getting too excited as these things are often a way of drumming up interest by the agent/selling club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 25, 2013, 11:23:52 AM

I don't think @Transfervillan would be the first to hear about it somehow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 11:37:36 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 25, 2013, 11:16:05 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 10:41:29 AM

In sheer footballing terms, it doesn't matter whether they go or not ans they won't be playing.  All I'd do is, if they do go on loan, is have recall options for Bent and Given as they can offer something if we have an injury crisis.  As for the rest, I honestly think Lambert would give Randy a run out before playing any of them.

So it's purely a financial issue.  And although it would be nice, I do think Randy will sanction more deals even if we can't shift them.
 

He might, but I think the wage bill is probably 8-12million higher now than as of the last game of the season. Shifting 5-6 of the "bomb squad" would probably balance it all back out and give scope for 2-3 more players to come in.

I'd imagine it would be less than that if you take into account he wages we've dropped for the likes of Dunne and Holman, but you're point is valid.  However, I think Lambert has his trust now in terms of the financials, so will back him if the crap he inherited proves difficult to shift.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 11:42:41 AM

The Bomb Squad - conservative estimates:

Bent - 70k a week 2 years left 11m.
Given - 50k, 3 years, 7.5m
Ireland - 60k, 1 year, 3m
Hutton - 30k, 2 years, 3m.
N'Zog - 60k, 2 years, 6m
Bannan - 20k, 2 years(?) 2m
Fonz - 20k, 1 year(?) 1m.

33.5m for people who ain't gonna play. Good luck with getting rid of that lot Villa, we're gonna need it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tricky dicky on July 25, 2013, 12:08:45 PM

Sky sports news reporting villa and almeria fail to agree terms for Hutton's loan deal

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:13:02 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 11:42:41 AM

The Bomb Squad - conservative estimates:

Bent - 70k a week 2 years left 11m.
Given - 50k, 3 years, 7.5m
Ireland - 60k, 1 year, 3m
Hutton - 30k, 2 years, 3m.
N'Zog - 60k, 2 years, 6m
Bannan - 20k, 2 years(?) 2m
Fonz - 20k, 1 year(?) 1m.

33.5m for people who ain't gonna play. Good luck with getting rid of that lot Villa, we're gonna need it.

Agree with you entirely.

Although some iffy maths there - 70k a week for 2 years is more like (when you add on NI and all that shit) more like 8m, surely?

It's annoying we have to resort to loaning players out when we can't shift them - ok, we get their wages paid, but we wind up at contract end with a player with no capital value to us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM

Further to my Bomb Squad list above, I've just remembered they cost us over 40m in transfer fees as well. Poor Randy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:19:27 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:13:02 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 11:42:41 AM

The Bomb Squad - conservative estimates:

Bent - 70k a week 2 years left 11m.
Given - 50k, 3 years, 7.5m
Ireland - 60k, 1 year, 3m
Hutton - 30k, 2 years, 3m.
N'Zog - 60k, 2 years, 6m
Bannan - 20k, 2 years(?) 2m
Fonz - 20k, 1 year(?) 1m.

33.5m for people who ain't gonna play. Good luck with getting rid of that lot Villa, we're gonna need it.

Agree with you entirely.

Although some iffy maths there - 70k a week for 2 years is more like (when you add on NI and all that shit) more like 8m, surely?

It's annoying we have to resort to loaning players out when we can't shift them - ok, we get their wages paid, but we wind up at contract end with a player with no capital value to us.

Of course you're right on the maths. For some reason I did it over three years in my head, while (I think correctly) writing two years in my post.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:21:21 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM

Further to my Bomb Squad list above, I've just remembered they cost us over 40m in transfer fees as well. Poor Randy.

I imagine there aren't many clubs who have watched so much value pissed away over the last few years in players leaving for nothing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 12:29:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:21:21 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM

Further to my Bomb Squad list above, I've just remembered they cost us over 40m in transfer fees as well. Poor Randy.

I imagine there aren't many clubs who have watched so much value pissed away over the last few years in players leaving for nothing.

QPR might have run us close last season but they did get there money back on Samba. Sunderland perhaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 25, 2013, 12:31:36 PM

Quote from: mr woo on July 25, 2013, 11:04:27 AM

Villa Transfer News (@TransferVillan) tweeted at 10:54 AM on Thu, Jul 25, 2013:
As I tweeted earlier, #avfc officials are meeting with Marco Capuano. Radio Sei just announced the transfer is to be confirmed tomorrow.

odd one to make up if not genuine.....?

Just Googled him and he looks cross-eyed. Should fit in perfectly with our current back-line.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 12:32:54 PM

Quote from: tricky dicky on July 25, 2013, 12:08:45 PM

Sky sports news reporting villa and almeria fail to agree terms for Hutton's loan deal

I thought he was going to Mallorca?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2013, 12:34:39 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 12:32:54 PM

Quote from: tricky dicky on July 25, 2013, 12:08:45 PM

Sky sports news reporting villa and almeria fail to agree terms for Hutton's loan deal

I thought he was going to Mallorca?

Apparently the taste of the H2O did not meet the required standards

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on July 25, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:21:21 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM

Further to my Bomb Squad list above, I've just remembered they cost us over 40m in transfer fees as well. Poor Randy.

I imagine there aren't many clubs who have watched so much value pissed away over the last few years in players leaving for nothing.

It's been a long time since anybody sympathised with our owner. Shows how much credit acting like professionals in transfers and contracts gets you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 12:35:43 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 12:32:54 PM

Quote from: tricky dicky on July 25, 2013, 12:08:45 PM

Sky sports news reporting villa and almeria fail to agree terms for Hutton's loan deal

I thought he was going to Mallorca?

I think it's like a low cost last minute package holiday deal.  The where isn't important, just as long as he gets on the plane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 25, 2013, 12:45:44 PM

Quote

I imagine there aren't many clubs who have watched so much value pissed away over the last few years in players leaving for nothing.

Different world to the one we operate in, but Man City surely?

Savic
Roque Santa Cruz
Kolo Toure
Maicon
Wayne Bridge
Craig Bellamy

Plus countless others such as the likes of Pizarro etc.

And I'm not even going into the massive hits they took for transfer losses around Balotelli, Tevez, Robinho, Adebayor and so on and so on.

Who said football was fcuked eh?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 25, 2013, 01:06:24 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 12:29:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 12:21:21 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 12:15:52 PM

Further to my Bomb Squad list above, I've just remembered they cost us over 40m in transfer fees as well. Poor Randy.

I imagine there aren't many clubs who have watched so much value pissed away over the last few years in players leaving for nothing.

QPR might have run us close last season but they did get there money back on Samba. Sunderland perhaps?

We can always lob in total cost of Heskey, Beye, Shorey, Sidwell and Cuellar which was £55m+ in transfer fees and wages combined.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 01:11:13 PM

NRC, MFH....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 01:27:53 PM

Before people get too sypatheic with Randolph, remember that the majority of those wasters were either signed as a result of giving MON carte blanche or signed by ged/mcleish, both of whom were appointed by him.
Remember, Randy came into this business with alot of money and very little knowledge/experience. The first thing he should have done was appoint someone with either a wealth of knowledge of the premier league or the inside track on the recent history of AVFC (People often band around Sir Graham which is hard to argue with)
A good CEO or a voice of caution on the board and I guarentee we would be in a better position than we are now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 01:29:44 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 01:27:53 PM

Before people get too sypatheic with Randolph, remember that the majority of those wasters were either signed as a result of giving MON carte blanche or signed by ged/mcleish, both of whom were appointed by him.
Remember, Randy came into this business with alot of money and very little knowledge/experience. The first thing he should have done was appoint someone with either a wealth of knowledge of the premier league or the inside track on the recent history of AVFC (People often band around Sir Graham which is hard to argue with)
A good CEO or a voice of caution on the board and I guarentee we would be in a better position than we are now.

True dat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 25, 2013, 01:32:27 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 01:29:44 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 01:27:53 PM

Before people get too sypatheic with Randolph, remember that the majority of those wasters were either signed as a result of giving MON carte blanche or signed by ged/mcleish, both of whom were appointed by him.
Remember, Randy came into this business with alot of money and very little knowledge/experience. The first thing he should have done was appoint someone with either a wealth of knowledge of the premier league or the inside track on the recent history of AVFC (People often band around Sir Graham which is hard to argue with)
A good CEO or a voice of caution on the board and I guarentee we would be in a better position than we are now.

True dat.

#believedat - as our loyal superstar striker would say

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on July 25, 2013, 01:51:15 PM

Those Capuano stories were just a nose on the wind up by looks of it. Very amusing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2013, 02:19:54 PM

Quote

Within the last hour a representative of Ashley Young #mufc has made contact with #avfc to see if a deal could be brokered for his return

Hahahaha

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 02:39:43 PM

I can see him leaving if they get Bale, but for a variety of reasons I very much doubt Lambert would be interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 03:10:32 PM

Here's the Stephen Ireland to Doncaster rumour again:

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/07/25/aston-villa-outcast-on-verge-of-shock-doncaster-rovers-move/?

The part of the article that interested me was this:

"The Midlands club are understood to be desperate to get as many high earners off the wage bill as is possible before the summer transfer window slams shut once and for all for the year on Aug 31, with veteran keeper Given having already agreed to move to the Keepmoat stadium on a season-long loan next campaign."

I didn't know Given was already going to Doncaster for a season!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2013, 03:32:34 PM

Has Hutton actually gone back to Spain or was that wishful thinking on most supporters' behalf? I think Bent has to lower his earnings expectation to get a move  and I can't hep thinking the only way to rid ourselves of Mr Pink is to pay him off,  ditto Given unless he actually has gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 03:36:02 PM

unless someone like ireland takes a settlement figure im not sure of the point in paying him off. would surely be better to keep the cash in the bank making interest and leave him in the stiffs...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 25, 2013, 03:49:19 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 03:36:02 PM

unless someone like ireland takes a settlement figure im not sure of the point in paying him off. would surely be better to keep the cash in the bank making interest and leave him in the stiffs...

Didn't he demand something similar when he left Citeh? surely that should have caused alarm bells to start ringing... not sure who i think is a worse signing, Ireland or Beye. :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 03:52:53 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 03:36:02 PM

unless someone like ireland takes a settlement figure im not sure of the point in paying him off. would surely be better to keep the cash in the bank making interest and leave him in the stiffs...

Couldn't we have him killed?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2013, 03:55:43 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Shame the General has let himself go

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 25, 2013, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 03:52:53 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 03:36:02 PM

unless someone like ireland takes a settlement figure im not sure of the point in paying him off. would surely be better to keep the cash in the bank making interest and leave him in the stiffs...

Couldn't we have him killed?

Killing him is very harsh, although it would save some poor club a fortune in wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 04:02:45 PM

The other benefit of having him clipped, is we could also claim on the insurance money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 25, 2013, 04:09:56 PM

Quote from: Clampy on July 25, 2013, 04:02:29 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 03:52:53 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 25, 2013, 03:36:02 PM

unless someone like ireland takes a settlement figure im not sure of the point in paying him off. would surely be better to keep the cash in the bank making interest and leave him in the stiffs...

Couldn't we have him killed?

Killing him is very harsh, although it would save some poor club a fortune in wages.

Is it? I think killing him would be too kind, if anything he deserves to be the real life victim of a horror movie - Saw and Human Centipede spring to mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 25, 2013, 04:12:34 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Just send him to our Physio, seems to be doing a decent job at trying to kill half our squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on July 25, 2013, 04:17:30 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2013, 02:19:54 PM

Quote

Within the last hour a representative of Ashley Young #mufc has made contact with #avfc to see if a deal could be brokered for his return

Hahahaha

I'd walk to Manchester and carry him back to get him playing in our current team. I'd give Milner a couple of quid for the train.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 04:21:15 PM

Quote from: glasses on July 25, 2013, 04:17:30 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2013, 02:19:54 PM

Quote

Within the last hour a representative of Ashley Young #mufc has made contact with #avfc to see if a deal could be brokered for his return

Hahahaha

I'd walk to Manchester and carry him back to get him playing in our current team. I'd give Milner a couple of quid for the train.

I know, let's have a ten page talk about how Barry, Milner and Young might fit into the current side, I love them.

#ivemovedonthanks

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 04:24:50 PM

I think will shift Fonz and Bannan but it will go on later into the window. I'm sure we're holding out for fees for both (justifiably) whereas it seems we've only had a loan enquiry for Fonz (Wolves?)

As for the rest (Bent aside), its like trying to sell tickets for cruises on the Titanic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 04:29:49 PM

Looks like N'Zogbia might generate some interest, though his injury might get in the way.  We need someone to "do a Downing" like we did.  Just a shame MON isn't still at Sunderland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 25, 2013, 04:31:48 PM

Quote from: Matt C on July 25, 2013, 04:24:50 PM

I think will shift Fonz and Bannan but it will go on later into the window. I'm sure we're holding out for fees for both (justifiably) whereas it seems we've only had a loan enquiry for Fonz (Wolves?)

As for the rest (Bent aside), its like trying to sell tickets for cruises on the Titanic.

I think what's happening behind the scenes is that clubs want these players, but also know we want shot of them.  So it's a game of brinksmanship as to how much we'll fund any move, be it by pay off/low fee for permanent deals or how much of their wages we'll still pay whne on loan. 

Things will get resolved as deadline day gets closer, so I think we just need to be patient.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 25, 2013, 04:38:19 PM

I don't want to be patient.
I want them gone now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2013, 04:41:06 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 04:29:49 PM

Looks like N'Zogbia might generate some interest, though his injury might get in the way.  We need someone to "do a Downing" like we did.  Just a shame MON isn't still at Sunderland.

Why do I get the feeling he'll end up at Hull and do reasonably well. Bruce tried to sign him while Sunderland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 25, 2013, 04:55:09 PM

Am I on my own in feeling rather smug that we have done our buying early? Just reading about the constant conjecture and undignified gossip makes me feel even more superior being a Villa fan than normal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 25, 2013, 05:09:46 PM

Quote from: not3bad on July 25, 2013, 04:21:15 PM

Quote from: glasses on July 25, 2013, 04:17:30 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on July 25, 2013, 02:19:54 PM

Quote

Within the last hour a representative of Ashley Young #mufc has made contact with #avfc to see if a deal could be brokered for his return

Hahahaha

I'd walk to Manchester and carry him back to get him playing in our current team. I'd give Milner a couple of quid for the train.

I know, let's have a ten page talk about how Barry, Milner and Young might fit into the current side, I love them.

#ivemovedonthanks

I vemo vedont hanks?

you speak in riddles.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 05:13:16 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Does anyone know how much it costs to have someone whacked in Brum?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2013, 05:15:41 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 05:13:16 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Does anyone know how much it costs to have someone whacked in Brum?

whats a season ticket at the sty?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 05:17:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 05:13:16 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Does anyone know how much it costs to have someone whacked in Brum?

With your username you should really know the answer yourself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2013, 05:23:14 PM

I'm sure Kenny Noye knows someone who'll do it for a nice drink

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 25, 2013, 05:45:36 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 05:17:22 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 05:13:16 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 25, 2013, 03:54:33 PM

I've said before, it would be a lot cheaper for us to have Ireland killed.

Does anyone know how much it costs to have someone whacked in Brum?

With your username you should really know the answer yourself.

I reckon fish and chips from "Bedders" chippy should do it !!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on July 25, 2013, 08:25:43 PM

Crook I met from Leeds said 2 K,discount for Londoners.I kid you not,he seemed very serious,spiders web tattoo on his face,he looked very nasty,but a proud northerner by all accounts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 25, 2013, 08:30:12 PM

Quote from: spk on July 25, 2013, 08:25:43 PM

Crook I met from Leeds said 2 K,discount for Londoners.I kid you not,he seemed very serious,spiders web tattoo on his face,he looked very nasty,but a proud northerner by all accounts.

The police really hate those spider web tats, how the hell do you catch people behind that facade?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on July 25, 2013, 08:44:04 PM

I thought that,not exactly discreet is it ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 25, 2013, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: spk on July 25, 2013, 08:25:43 PM

Crook I met from Leeds said 2 K,discount for Londoners.I kid you not,he seemed very serious,spiders web tattoo on his face,he looked very nasty,but a proud northerner by all accounts.

I think it is nearer 3k

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 25, 2013, 08:30:12 PM

Quote from: spk on July 25, 2013, 08:25:43 PM

Crook I met from Leeds said 2 K,discount for Londoners.I kid you not,he seemed very serious,spiders web tattoo on his face,he looked very nasty,but a proud northerner by all accounts.

The police really hate those spider web tats, how the hell do you catch people behind that facade?

Does a spiders web signify anything specific?
...isn't a swallow to show you've done "bird" and a tear to say you've killed someone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 25, 2013, 09:17:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM

Does a spiders web signify anything specific?

That you are a twat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on July 25, 2013, 09:39:12 PM

Well its total life siege mentality,Ive no doubt the blokes childhood was less than rosy,its a defence,trying to look as hard as possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 25, 2013, 09:44:00 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 25, 2013, 09:17:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM

Does a spiders web signify anything specific?

That you are a twat.

Fcuking legend, pmsl.....quality....just shit myself from laffin to much

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 25, 2013, 09:50:31 PM

Or a spider.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 09:53:04 PM

Quote from: Plumbutt Cooper on July 25, 2013, 09:17:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2013, 09:11:53 PM

Does a spiders web signify anything specific?

That you are a twat.

I was lucky enough to spend some time in Nicaragua and there was gang member who used to hang out in one of my preferred drinking holes (think full face tattoos).  I assume and vaguely remember reading that the tattoos played some part in the initiation into said gangs (Marras Bravas, somthing or other 18 being the other). 

Anyway enough back story.  This guy had clearly had an ejaculating penis tattooed onto his cheek.  To try and hide this fact he'd tried to disguise it as a space rocket.  The ejaculating sperm?  = Stars.    Trust me, it was hard not to laugh/stare/take photos when you're pissed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 10:20:09 PM

I used to know a bloke with a spider's web tattoo who knocked someone's eye out with a crow-bar. Years later (about 15 I think), he had his own eye poked out with a screwdriver in a totally unrelated incident.

An eye for an eye as they say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2013, 10:21:41 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 25, 2013, 10:20:09 PM

I used to know a bloke with a spider's web tattoo who knocked someone's eye out with a crow-bar. Years later (about 15 I think), he had his own eye poked out with a screwdriver.

An eye for an eye as they say.

I used to know a bloke who had an eye knocked out by a waiter twatting him across the face with a chair when they stopped off for a Chinese on the way back from an away game and trouble erupted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2013, 10:37:45 PM

Percy, you should have been a consultant on The Wire. Baltimore, Brum, it's all the one. I don't suppose you know that bloke who sits in some Birmingham boozer all day taking bets to eat smashed lightbulbs?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 25, 2013, 10:40:57 PM

Did you know Omar was based on a real person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Andrews

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2013, 10:44:05 PM

I wonder how big the web would be if the spider was a twat.

On the bomb squad...I'm not actually sure N'Zogbia is in it. The noise around the club around his injury seemed to be one of genuine disappointment. i would have thought I would have heard more about Lambert wanting him out andthat he'll betraining with thekids. I really think lambert wants to keep him and sees him playing an important role. If he could find any sort of form he would fit into our attacking front 3 nicely. But, he need lots of cover. That's why the attacking role is there for thetaking. I think Lambert reckons that he could get N'zogbia playing there.

If he's wrong he'll be like O'EEJIT who was convinced Kevin Phillips should play in the hole. What a prick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 25, 2013, 11:19:43 PM

I dunno, I think a large part of the disappointment in Zogs injury is perhaps that we were hoping to sell him. I can't see him being here long term with his wages and output.

But in fairness to Zog I cannot remember too many occasions when he's been played on the right wing, which is his favoured position. He's played on the left, or he's played as a second striker almost.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 26, 2013, 01:13:30 AM

Word is we're in for another CB called Marco Capuano whose tweeted 'English dream' 2 hours ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 01:40:25 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Okore and Herd you would assume.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 02:05:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 01:40:25 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Okore and Herd you would assume.

I suppose so. Okore is quick enough for sure. Dont know how often he has played RB though.

Herd I guess goes anywhere he is asked so yeah he could work :)

Can enda stevens play on both sides? Not sure what has happened to that lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richl on July 26, 2013, 02:28:48 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 02:05:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 01:40:25 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Okore and Herd you would assume.

I suppose so. Okore is quick enough for sure. Dont know how often he has played RB though.

Herd I guess goes anywhere he is asked so yeah he could work :)

Can enda stevens play on both sides? Not sure what has happened to that lad.

Edna, No 37, one below Charlie, one above Nathan, HE'S A GONER

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 03:50:23 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 01:40:25 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Okore and Herd you would assume.

Baker is wearing number 2 shirt?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2013, 04:57:11 AM

Quote from: eamonn on July 25, 2013, 10:37:45 PM

Percy, you should have been a consultant on The Wire. Baltimore, Brum, it's all the one. I don't suppose you know that bloke who sits in some Birmingham boozer all day taking bets to eat smashed lightbulbs?

No, surprised I've never heard about him. Was he on 'Britain's Hardest Pubs' or something?

We're working on a Brum version of The Wire based around Fort Dunlop. 'The Tyre'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2013, 06:15:51 AM

It was early, I was getting my coat.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 06:52:37 AM

I was working on my screenplay for a hard hitting docu-drama based on Kidderminster hard men who stash their ill gotten gains in a nearby forest. "The Wyre".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2013, 07:31:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 03:50:23 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 01:40:25 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

If true an extra CB would be welcome. Still wondering where the backup for Lowton is. I love the bloke but he could get injured.

Okore and Herd you would assume.

Baker is wearing number 2 shirt?

If you're basing who will play where on shirt numbers than we're going to have a five player defence and Bacuna and El-Ahmadi will be our two-man, first-choice midfield. Benteke will rarely even get amongst the substitutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:04:46 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

What? Where? Please say it be true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:04:46 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

What? Where? Please say it be true.

Here:  http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-midfielder-barry-bannan-5325480

Thanks.

No worries.

Why am I having a conversation with myself on a forum.

I don't know but I think I should stop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 09:10:12 AM

Decent move for him and Rovers really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 26, 2013, 09:16:46 AM

And for the nightclub owners in Blackburn , Preston, Blackpool, Morecombe ,Lancaster, Liverpool, Manchester...........................

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2013, 09:17:48 AM

He really needs a change of surroundings, less pressure and just to play. He could still turn into a pretty good player, but he'll never live up to the early promise he showed under GH.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:21:32 AM

The Metro has Zoggy leaving us. I previously thought he was a bit injured, thanks to some suspicious holiday incident but was part of Lambert's plans.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 09:25:39 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:04:46 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

What? Where? Please say it be true.

Here:  http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-midfielder-barry-bannan-5325480

Thanks.

No worries.

Why am I having a conversation with myself on a forum.

I don't know but I think I should stop.

2nd sign of Madness

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2013, 09:26:24 AM

He is injured I think, although he's played for Bruce before at Wigan and Bruce wanted him at Sunderland, so Hull always looked like they might go for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DBTW on July 26, 2013, 09:47:12 AM

Marco Capueno is talking about Villa in his tweets and saying it would be a dream to join.

i thought this was meant to be a nose on a wind up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2013, 10:03:21 AM

It's not.

If he is coming, it's welcome news. I don't know much about him but traditionally, if you want classy defenders you look in Scandinavia or Italy. This guy is a regular Italy U21 player so must have something about him.

As an aide, its like our scout has travelled the continent, picking up a player in each country like some quest from an old fantasy film. I'm thinking Hawk the Slayer.

Go to Germany next brave scout. Find the destroyer. Then take the boat to the land of the rising sun. The magician awaits!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 26, 2013, 10:11:19 AM

not knee jerk and I know money doesnt guarentee success etc but has anyone got a sniff on how much transfer money we have to spend. I appreciate lamberts policy is young and hungry but we really havent spent much at all. You can buy young, hungry and proven....examples such as eriksen, mccarthy, zaha spring to mind. You may think we dont have much pulling power to the very top prospects but we can offer the lure of first team rather than squad football...

The positive point of this is you generally make youre money like we did  with ashley young

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 26, 2013, 10:17:27 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 09:25:39 AM

2nd sign of Madness

Do you know what the first sign is?

Suggs walking up your driveway.

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/1801096-badum_tish_super.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 26, 2013, 10:52:35 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 09:25:39 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:04:46 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

What? Where? Please say it be true.

Here:  http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-midfielder-barry-bannan-5325480

Thanks.

No worries.

Why am I having a conversation with myself on a forum.

I don't know but I think I should stop.

2nd sign of Madness

Bannan and Spearing for Blackburns midfield 3rd sign of madness that Villa could have had this

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fbriai on July 26, 2013, 11:04:39 AM

Our interest in Capueno is also beginning to make the news here, although it seems there are other teams following him as well:

Pescara, anche l'Aston Villa pensa a Capuano (http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/serie-b/esclusiva-tmw-pescara-anche-l-aston-villa-pensa-a-capuano-469145)

Quote

Tra le tante pretendenti in lizza per il difensore del Pescara Marco Capuano, spunta anche l'Aston Villa. Il club di Birmingham avrebbe infatti sondato il terreno per il calciatore appetito da diverse squadre anche nel nostro paese. Siamo agli abboccamenti, ma potrebbero esserci sviluppi interessanti.

Which quickly translates as:

"Aston Villa have emerged among the many suitors lining up for the Pescara defender Marco Capueno. The Birmingham club has tested the waters with the player, who is also interesting several clubs from our country. We are only at the beginning, but there could be interesting developments."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 11:08:31 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 26, 2013, 10:52:35 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 09:25:39 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:07:41 AM

Quote from: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 09:04:46 AM

Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on July 26, 2013, 09:01:21 AM

Has anybody mentioned Bannan is off to Blackburn?

What? Where? Please say it be true.

Here:  http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-midfielder-barry-bannan-5325480

Thanks.

No worries.

Why am I having a conversation with myself on a forum.

I don't know but I think I should stop.

2nd sign of Madness

Bannan and Spearing for Blackburns midfield 3rd sign of madness that Villa could have had this

a pygmy of a midfield who would be the 3rd  shorty ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2013, 11:08:40 AM

On his Twitter he is asked if he's going to Villa and says nothing concrete, but it would be a dream for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 11:11:08 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2013, 11:08:40 AM

On his Twitter he is asked if he's going to Villa and says nothing concrete, but it would be a dream for him.

i dont know can Italian defenders defend ? :o ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 11:13:05 AM

Quote from: GarethRDR on July 26, 2013, 10:17:27 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 09:25:39 AM

2nd sign of Madness

Do you know what the first sign is?

Suggs walking up your driveway.



(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/1801096-badum_tish_super.jpg)



i have only just got that , bloody hell me 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 26, 2013, 11:18:05 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 06:52:37 AM

I was working on my screenplay for a hard hitting docu-drama based on Kidderminster hard men who stash their ill gotten gains in a nearby forest. "The Wyre".

This is funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: placeforparks on July 26, 2013, 11:22:00 AM

Quote from: DBTW on July 26, 2013, 09:47:12 AM

Marco Capueno is talking about Villa in his tweets and saying it would be a dream to join.

i thought this was meant to be a nose on a wind up?

i doubt a nose would have the foresight to start a twitter account last year and keep it going. but if they did, hats off to them on an expertly executed wind-up!

as an aside, if one of the villa kids who had come through the ranks was talking up moves to other clubs on twitter, this place would go into meltdown.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DBTW on July 26, 2013, 11:23:15 AM

I wasnt implying it was a nose that had set up the twitter, i was saying they had started the rumour of him signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on July 26, 2013, 11:28:04 AM

Quote from: placeforparks on July 26, 2013, 11:22:00 AM

i doubt a nose would have the foresight to start a twitter account

I doubt a nose would have the mental capacity to operate a computer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on July 26, 2013, 11:33:14 AM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 11:11:08 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2013, 11:08:40 AM

On his Twitter he is asked if he's going to Villa and says nothing concrete, but it would be a dream for him.

i dont know can Italian defenders defend ? :o ;)

Baresi and Maldini certainly could.   ;) ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 26, 2013, 11:38:54 AM

Apparently a decision is close on the Doncaster takeover.  If it goes through Given is a definite target, although Ireland is only being linked because of the consortium being Irish....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 26, 2013, 12:05:33 PM

Although I'm well into buying cheap and young, seems to be paying dividends, I really feel PL should push the boat out and grab lescott for a couple of seasons, it would really bolster our  defense, give Okore chance to develop and pollyfilla Vlaar much needed assistance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 26, 2013, 12:10:00 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 06:52:37 AM

I was working on my screenplay for a hard hitting docu-drama based on Kidderminster hard men who stash their ill gotten gains in a nearby forest. "The Wyre".

Based upon the North Eastern soap about tough ship builders who "big up" against their close neighbours - "The Wear" (translated by said neighbours as "Weh Aye"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on July 26, 2013, 12:11:50 PM

Sorry, do people mean that Twitter account from an Italian player that's all written in English?

hmmmm  . . . . Admittedly if it is fake it implies someone set up a fake account several months ago in the name of an Italian defender and has made a lot of tweets.

I'm not sure which alternative seems less credible!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2013, 12:25:01 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 26, 2013, 12:05:33 PM

Although I'm well into buying cheap and young, seems to be paying dividends, I really feel PL should push the boat out and grab lescott for a couple of seasons, it would really bolster our  defense, give Okore chance to develop and pollyfilla Vlaar much needed assistance.

A Lescott type figure would make a huge difference to us. Personally i'd disregard Clark as a defender unless in an emergency and bring in another centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 12:25:30 PM

much is written in Italian too on there. may be fake but it's a good one if so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 26, 2013, 12:40:10 PM

I'd have Young back in the blink of an eye. He's not set Man Utd alight granted, but he's more than good enough for us

It'll never happen of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2013, 12:45:44 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 26, 2013, 12:40:10 PM

I'd have Young back in the blink of an eye. He's not set Man Utd alight granted, but he's more than good enough for us

It'll never happen of course.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2013, 12:47:46 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 26, 2013, 12:40:10 PM

I'd have Young back in the blink of an eye. He's not set Man Utd alight granted, but he's more than good enough for us

It'll never happen of course.

I saw a pic of him and the other utd Players wearing the new patches away kit ?? standing in front of a Honda engine who happened to be their official partner WTF???  SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE RED DEVILS  >:(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2013, 01:18:05 PM

Just watched Arsenal v Tottenham Sky sports 2008. Hutton made a back pass you would see in a lower Sunday league. Arsenal scored form the error.  !! Please get him off our books by any method possible. Any update on Capauno. Our defence needs new blood and a young Italian U21 international sounds very much like a PL approach to an obvious problem .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2013, 01:24:57 PM

That Marco Capuano twitter account is definitely real.

It might be that he's heard rumours we're after him, but he also says nothing is concrete - which implies there might be some interest there, otherwise he'd just say there's no truth in it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 26, 2013, 02:18:29 PM

Look, we can't expect to hear anything until he is stretching the shirt at BH.  The moment he stops twatting about Villa we can get our hopes up.  Stealth football, I like it!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 26, 2013, 02:20:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 26, 2013, 12:11:50 PM

Sorry, do people mean that Twitter account from an Italian player that's all written in English?

hmmmm  . . . . Admittedly if it is fake it implies someone set up a fake account several months ago in the name of an Italian defender and has made a lot of tweets.

I'm not sure which alternative seems less credible!

I think it was heskey from the grassy knoll

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2013, 02:21:15 PM

Another centre back? Well, if he says so. Personally I'd like to see an attacking midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2013, 02:23:03 PM

Quote from: Malandro on July 26, 2013, 02:20:26 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on July 26, 2013, 12:11:50 PM

Sorry, do people mean that Twitter account from an Italian player that's all written in English?

hmmmm  . . . . Admittedly if it is fake it implies someone set up a fake account several months ago in the name of an Italian defender and has made a lot of tweets.

I'm not sure which alternative seems less credible!

I think it was heskey from the grassy knoll

If it was he'd still be alive today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: Montbert on July 26, 2013, 02:21:15 PM

Another centre back? Well, if he says so. Personally I'd like to see an attacking midfielder.

I'd like to see both.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 26, 2013, 02:23:35 PM

Oh, I wish I could see Harry Redknapp's massive, hangdog, bloodshot, stroke face as news filters down that Hooper has signed for Norwich... Ho fucking ho. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2013, 02:27:17 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: Montbert on July 26, 2013, 02:21:15 PM

Another centre back? Well, if he says so. Personally I'd like to see an attacking midfielder.

I'd like to see both.

Well yes, but for better or worse we do have some centre backs, whereas we have no central, creative, goal-threatening midfielder (unless Helenius plays there, as some have suggested).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2013, 02:32:47 PM

We might have been looking at this Italian defender in the event that the Okore deal didn't work so we'll have to see. As others have said, I would be surprised if we had 5 central defenders this season and that's excluding Herd who Lambert seems to use there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 26, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Quote

Well yes, but for better or worse we do have some centre backs, whereas we have no central, creative, goal-threatening midfielder (unless Helenius plays there, as some have suggested

I thought that was Tonev?

Its not so much the number of centre-halves, rather the quality of them. We seem to be putting an awful of of eggs in the Okore basket. If he doesn't excel, we'll ship a bucketload again. And thats an immense amount of pressure to put on a young kid who's new in a foreign country.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2013, 02:51:58 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 26, 2013, 02:49:57 PM

Its not so much the number of centre-halves, rather the quality of them. We seem to be putting an awful of of eggs in the Okore basket. If he doesn't excel, we'll ship a bucketload again. And thats an immense amount of pressure to put on a young kid who's new in a foreign country.

Entirely agree.

We need to improve considerably at the back. Okore may very well need time to settle - Martin Laursen reckons he's not the finished article yet - so I am not really optimistic that our current options will work.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2013, 03:04:14 PM

Very true, but Capuano is also young, and he's just given new contracts to Clark and Baker, while Vlaar I believe remains captain. He must believe in these defenders so signing a fifth would be unusual and superfluous, especially when we have other positions with no real options in the squad (Tonev to me is certainly a winger/wide-forward).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on July 26, 2013, 03:42:13 PM

I pointed this out on Twitter yesterday. Capuano is a central defender who can also play left-back. We're pretty well covered for left-footed centre-backs - Clark and Baker - and now also at left-back, with Luna and Bennett. If he was a top-class defender, I could understand it, but Capuano is 21/22, so similar bracket to Clark and Baker. Pescara finished bottom of Serie A last season. Of course, he might just be too good not to sign now, regardless of who else we already have, but even so, I think we have more pressing priorities - this elusive No.10 playmaker and a right-back to cover for Lowton.

Got a predictable response on Twitter, BTW:

'Clark can't play LB'
'Clark shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch.'
'Luna can cover for Bennett'

Not really the point I was trying to make - I think now, we have to be looking at one or two new signings who would walk straight into the team if they're in positions we're already reasonably well covered in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 26, 2013, 03:44:42 PM

Quote from: Montbert on July 26, 2013, 02:21:15 PM

Another centre back? Well, if he says so. Personally I'd like to see an attacking midfielder.

Strengthening the defence should be a priority. Can see us letting in another shed load next season with this set of defenders. Okore is 20 for goodness sake, he's bound to make mistakes.
Lambert's taking a huge risk going into next season with this defence. Hopefully he's got something up his sleeve.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 26, 2013, 04:25:48 PM

If we are interested,then it shows that Lambert is not satisfied with is his centre back options.
As there is a thread about defensive frailties,we should be glad that he is pursuing such options.Capuano has played 17 times for Italy U21. Italian defender in my era had the same ringing endorsement as West Indian pace bowler. A choice of 5 central defenders is better than last year's choice of 3. The weakest one could be sent on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 26, 2013, 04:34:50 PM

If we sign the Italian defender and I think we should test Manchester United for a swap deal for Ashley Young with Ciaron Clark. It might be worth a Bid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 26, 2013, 04:40:40 PM

I can see us buying another centre back then in a year's time one or two being frozen out by Lambert when they don't perform. What we will have after that is a good defensive set up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 26, 2013, 05:21:58 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 26, 2013, 04:34:50 PM

If we sign the Italian defender and I think we should test Manchester United for a swap deal for Ashley Young with Ciaron Clark. It might be worth a Bid.

For that to happen we would need United to want Clark. Now considering there are plenty on here who don't think Clark is good enough for us why would United want him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 26, 2013, 05:49:28 PM

Manchester United Alex Ferguson rate him highly, so that might be enough. But again David Moyes might think otherwise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 26, 2013, 06:54:01 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 26, 2013, 05:49:28 PM

Manchester United Alex Ferguson rate him highly, so that might be enough. But again David Moyes might think otherwise.

Wait a second, are you being serious ?

Might be worth seeing if we can get Phil Jones for chris Herd while we are there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 26, 2013, 07:12:55 PM

From a Liverpool forum. The evolution of a transfer rumour on Twitter.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQF9e7ACQAE8iwK.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2013, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Quiet Lion on July 26, 2013, 06:54:01 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 26, 2013, 05:49:28 PM

Manchester United Alex Ferguson rate him highly, so that might be enough. But again David Moyes might think otherwise.

Wait a second, are you being serious ?

Might be worth seeing if we can get Phil Jones for chris Herd while we are there

Clacker was linked with ManUre a couple of years ago when he was coming through. Can't see it now though!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2013, 08:37:42 PM

You never know. They've never replaced Wes Brown.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 10:30:08 PM

Forget Ash Young. Soiled goods and he can rot in hell of manure third team!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 10:35:36 PM

Nah, Ashley Young would be good for us. I would have him back. He never dissed us, we got good money in the last year of his contract, I have no beef with the guy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 10:36:17 PM

Clark is still young for a centre half. At 26-28 he will become a really good centre half. He needs in my opinion a year in the championship to harden him off a bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 26, 2013, 10:37:21 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2013, 10:35:36 PM

Nah, Ashley Young would be good for us. I would have him back. He never dissed us, we got good money in the last year of his contract, I have no beef with the guy.

me too. Would fit in great in our side and add quality. Never going to happen though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2013, 10:38:22 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 10:30:08 PM

Forget Ash Young. Soiled goods and he can rot in hell of manure third team!

Don't think he'd get in our front 3 at the minute to be honest. They link well together, suit each other. Ash Young would just spend his time falling over and running into blind alleys probably.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2013, 10:41:12 PM

I would take Young back, no worries. But we probably shouldn't.
What's more, I don't see it being an option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2013, 10:49:12 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 26, 2013, 10:38:22 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 10:30:08 PM

Forget Ash Young. Soiled goods and he can rot in hell of manure third team!

Don't think he'd get in our front 3 at the minute to be honest. They link well together, suit each other. Ash Young would just spend his time falling over and running into blind alleys probably.

Yep, and if Zog's not sold, we already have him to do that job

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2013, 10:50:10 PM

I think Ash Young seriously needs a rocket up him. He's wasting his talent away. He's a shadow of the player he was 4-5 years ago. The Ash Young who won us the game at Everton 5 years back is a totally different player to the one now. I wonder if he might suffer Yorke syndrome. That when his career dies at United, which it could well be now, he'll never quite have the same sort of desire he did whilst he was developing into a top class player with us. After Yorkes first 2 successful seasons at Manure, his form dipped. From then on he was never the same player at all.

He needs a move and he needs to really get back on top of his game. Cut all the theatrics and diving and just get at fullbacks again and pelt in crosses.

We'll never re-sign him though. I think he'd do well at Liverpool or Spurs to be honest. He could take a step down one level to a Europa level club. Or depending on how ambitious Everton were they could cut a deal with Utd for when they inevitably come in for Baines and/or Fellaini.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2013, 10:59:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

Don't think he's the same player now. If he was I'd have him back in a heartbeat. That said, saying I want him back means little. We may just as well say we want Lionel Messi. It'll never happen while Randy's at the helm.
For me, I think Ash is one of those players who'd happily collect his 100k a week and if he had to move would hold out for similar. He's not worked as hard at Utd as he did for us either. Granted he doesn't have to because they actually keep the ball.
He's out of our price league now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2013, 11:00:28 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

He also had an attitude that stunk, especially in his last season with us. By that point he thought he was a big fish in a small pond and took it upon himself to order the then young kids around. Now that there's even more younger players in the squad, I don't think his attitude would be a good thing to have around the place. We're better off finding the next young unpolished gem and turning them into the finished article.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 26, 2013, 11:07:47 PM

I was listening to a United game last season and heard his name and it struck me that I had completely forgot about him. With Barry, Milner and Downing I don't really have that. Maybe it is because he doesn't get discussed on here as often or I am less bitter towards him than those three.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 26, 2013, 11:17:47 PM

Why are you bitter towards Milner may I ask Sandman?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2013, 11:19:16 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 26, 2013, 11:17:47 PM

Why are you bitter towards Milner may I ask Sandman?

Stephen Ireland! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 26, 2013, 11:28:07 PM

haha, maybe so, but not really Milners fault we got that gormless little prize penis

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 11:42:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

Hmmm... This is same as how people forget all the bad points in a relationship after few weeks apart and only good stuff remains!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 26, 2013, 11:47:33 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 11:42:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

Hmmm... This is same as how people forget all the bad points in a relationship after few weeks apart and only good stuff remains!

Ive been with my missus 31 years and cant remember any good points, would you like a list of her bad points though lol

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2013, 11:59:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 11:42:05 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2013, 10:51:57 PM

Ash worked his balls off for us, set up a lot of goals and scored some really good ones. Why would we ever want a player that offers that?

Hmmm... This is same as how people forget all the bad points in a relationship after few weeks apart and only good stuff remains!

I'm sorry but Ash was never a bad player for us. He went to ground easy sometimes and didn't play brilliantly all the time, but over the time he was with us he was excellent overall.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on July 27, 2013, 12:26:34 AM

Ashley Young,yes MON  correct in calling him 'genius'.best crosser of a ball after Becks..A destroyer of full backs if they were mediocre or quite good,remembering 'Arry replacing a Spurs back in the first-half.The problem was if they were very good,Ash would 'die',but there are very few of them.
God knows how many Benteke would score if Young was here but I'm afraid it's a dream about him returning,still it never hurts to dream.Best Villa wide player I've seen because I'd play Mcparland in a central role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2013, 12:40:39 AM

claretandbeer, my late old man was best mates with Peter McParland, knew each other from Ireland

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 03:32:05 AM

Quote from: villan from luton on July 26, 2013, 11:47:33 PM

Ive been with my missus 31 years and cant remember any good points, would you like a list of her bad points though lol

Well that's because  you are still with her.  You need to leave her to eek out good points!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 03:36:31 AM

Quote from: claretandbeer on July 27, 2013, 12:26:34 AM

God knows how many Benteke would score if Young was here but I'm afraid it's a dream about him returning,still it never hurts to dream.Best Villa wide player I've seen because I'd play Mcparland in a central role.

I know Benteke  is tall but not tall enough for Young's crosses,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2013, 03:57:10 AM

I used to love those little glancing headers that Gabby used to get off Young's crosses, especially at The Sty and the Theatre of Shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 27, 2013, 07:51:57 AM

Young seemed to suffer a bit in O'Neill's final season when along with others he spent a lot of time tracking back to cover a less than impressive set of defenders.

He never seemed to regain the attacking panache that marked his early years. I am not so sure he'd be as effective as he should if he came back to VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2013, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: OCD on July 26, 2013, 11:00:28 PM

He also had an attitude that stunk, especially in his last season with us. By that point he thought he was a big fish in a small pond and took it upon himself to order the then young kids around.

(i) He was a big fish in a small pond by that point. He was clearly our most senior player and probably our best player.

(ii) Shouting at the younger players is no bad thing - we looked at our best defensively when Vlaar was giving both barrels to Baker and Bennett during the game. Considering one of our main complaints over the last few seasons is that the senior players haven't been showing enough leadership to the young players, the fact that one of them told them what to do a lot is a positive rather than a negative.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2013, 08:08:24 AM

Depends how the young players respond to it. Back when Young was doing it, you could see it effecting their confidence.

Even if United were prepared to sell and we were prepared to pay the asking price, there would still be the issue of the wages. Out of the players that we want at the club, about £60k/week seems to be the highest figure and I doubt Young would accept that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2013, 08:22:25 AM

Oh, I don't for a second think that they would sell, that we would want to buy him or that he would want to come back.

But that doesn't mean that he wasn't one of best players of the last decade or so, and that should be appreciated rather than denigrated.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 27, 2013, 08:24:28 AM

IF he come back he would get rid of his big time attitude as he had his chance at Manchester United and will want to get back to form and seal a place in England Team for Brazil 2014.  But I think he will be too expensive but he had proven himself at Villa Park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 27, 2013, 10:52:04 AM

Another 3 pages of ex-player bollocks...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IrishCockney on July 27, 2013, 10:57:52 AM

Indeed, a distinct lack of juicy transfer rumours
I guess Mr Lambert is too good at this craic, more surprises due before KO hopefully

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on July 27, 2013, 11:02:08 AM

Young won't be back, but if he did return we'd have to insist on a clause in his contract that prevents him from taking free kicks, or any set piece for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2013, 11:13:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on July 27, 2013, 08:22:25 AM

Oh, I don't for a second think that they would sell, that we would want to buy him or that he would want to come back.

But that doesn't mean that he wasn't one of best players of the last decade or so, and that should be appreciated rather than denigrated.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 27, 2013, 11:46:36 AM

Have Newcastle dropped their interest in Bent with the bids for Gomis and a loan deal for Remy??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 27, 2013, 11:51:54 AM

Looks thay way doesn't it. Shame really

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 27, 2013, 12:01:14 PM

I still think Benty will have a few takers. Maybe if Liverpool lose Saurez and can't get a deal put together for a bigger name in time, they might make a last week move for Bent.
Fulham seems a natural target too. Stoke might suit him. Martinez could bring him in at Everton perhaps. Perhaps also if Spurs keep floundering in the transfer market they might come back to us to get half a Benteke and take Bent.

Newcastle would have suited him down to a tee to be honest, but sadly for Bent he's not French enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 12:46:37 PM

Quote from: Jimbo on July 27, 2013, 11:02:08 AM

Young won't be back, but if he did return we'd have to insist on a clause in his contract that prevents him from taking free kicks, or any set piece for that matter.

....and corners and diving and any attempt at trying to cross the ball. So we would only need him for chasing back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 27, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

Bent at West Ham would be my bet. They have said they want a goalscorer to partner Carroll and I think Bent would like to move back to London.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 12:49:54 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 27, 2013, 11:46:36 AM

Have Newcastle dropped their interest in Bent with the bids for Gomis and a loan deal for Remy??

I guess it's in the final agreement stage and they are trying to get lowest possible price by letting us know they have options.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pig on July 27, 2013, 12:52:40 PM

Newcastle are trying to get us to pay the 1408% APR on the loan they have got to buy Bent. Apparently we won't even meet them halfway. They have until payday to pay it back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 27, 2013, 01:50:07 PM

Young is about right for us - an aspiring team with ambitions but not Champion's League quality. He did excellently for us before, and there's no reason why he couldn't again. He could play either side of Benteke in our three-pronged attack, he'd be perfect for that role. He never mucked us about, and while he can be a bit of a sulky little so and so, I'd still have him back in an instant.

Although I'd still rather we spent the transfer budget and wages on a classy defender instead...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 27, 2013, 02:11:56 PM

Quote from: pig on July 27, 2013, 12:52:40 PM

Newcastle are trying to get us to pay the 1408% APR on the loan they have got to buy Bent. Apparently we won't even meet them halfway. They have until payday to pay it back.

Nice touch Pig. Made me chuckle ........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 27, 2013, 02:12:14 PM

It's not going to happen.  He is neither young nor hungry enough, and his wages well exceed anything we are prepared to pay.  Can we stop now?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 02:31:14 PM

But he is Young!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 27, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Hollywood Bannan to Blackburn for an undisclosed fee (£750,000)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2013, 04:44:19 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 27, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Hollywood Bannan to Blackburn for an undisclosed fee (£750,000)

Where you heard that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2013, 04:45:49 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2013, 04:44:19 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 27, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Hollywood Bannan to Blackburn for an undisclosed fee (£750,000)

Where you heard that?

Eve Mail

Quote

Barry Bannan is set to kickstart his career at Blackburn after falling out of favour at Villa.

Bannan, who has one year left on his contract, was ideally hoping to stay in the Premier League, but the Championship club have registered a strong interest in the 23-year-old midfielder.

Villa had high hopes for Bannan when he came through the Bodymoor Heath academy ranks and made his debut as a substitute in a UEFA Cup defeat at Hamburg in December 2008.

But after 50 league and cup starts and 33 sub appearances, scoring two goals, he has been deemed surplus to requirements by Paul Lambert and has been training away from the first team squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 27, 2013, 04:46:39 PM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 27, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Hollywood Bannan to Blackburn for an undisclosed fee (£750,000)

About right it seems to me. Club and fee. I never really rated him and he's ugly too

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2013, 04:51:17 PM

Championship is about his level. Thank god we won't ever have to suffer another of his awful floated corners again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2013, 05:02:57 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League starts.

They're paying by the foot

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on July 27, 2013, 05:03:44 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League starts.

One year left on his contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2013, 05:04:55 PM

Hopefully we put in a sell-on clause. Just in case he does end up decent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2013, 05:19:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2013, 05:04:55 PM

Hopefully we put in a sell-on clause. Just in case he does end up decent.

I'd be putting in a 'no come back' clause

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2013, 06:51:16 PM

750k is probably about 400k too much.  He will never make it in the Premier Division and I think this move is the start of the slippery, downward spiral for little Barry.  No doubts, he'll end up at Walsall and be a superstar for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on July 27, 2013, 06:56:55 PM

Whatever peoples opinions of BB, he is part of our club's history and goes on the role of honour as a Scottish International.  To my knowledge (others may know better) he has never publicly criticised the club.  For all of the foregoing he deserves our thanks and I for one wish him well wherever his future takes him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 27, 2013, 06:56:55 PM

Whatever peoples opinions of BB, he is part of our club's history and goes on the role of honour as a Scottish International.  To my knowledge (others may know better) he has never publicly criticised the club.  For all of the foregoing he deserves our thanks and I for one wish him well wherever his future takes him.

Seconded. As a reserves watcher he has given me some great memories of great football and winning trophies. At that level he's as good as Iniesta. Also, thanks to his mom for some real comedy gold sitting near her when she watched him play.
However, it's worth pointing out that when someone posted that article earlier, it didn't say he'd gone, nor mention a fee, undisclosed or otherwise, and it still doesn't.

Still, all the best Barry if the poster's imagination turns out to be correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 27, 2013, 07:42:52 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 26, 2013, 10:38:22 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 26, 2013, 10:30:08 PM

Forget Ash Young. Soiled goods and he can rot in hell of manure third team!

Don't think he'd get in our front 3 at the minute to be honest. They link well together, suit each other. Ash Young would just spend his time falling over and running into blind alleys probably.

agree . diving billy big boots cnut :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 27, 2013, 07:46:23 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on July 27, 2013, 10:52:04 AM

Another 3 pages of ex-player bollocks...

;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 27, 2013, 07:56:59 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

people on here thought we would get £3 million . dreamers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 27, 2013, 08:01:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 27, 2013, 06:56:55 PM

Whatever peoples opinions of BB, he is part of our club's history and goes on the role of honour as a Scottish International.  To my knowledge (others may know better) he has never publicly criticised the club.  For all of the foregoing he deserves our thanks and I for one wish him well wherever his future takes him.

Seconded. As a reserves watcher he has given me some great memories of great football and winning trophies. At that level he's as good as Iniesta. Also, thanks to his mom for some real comedy gold sitting near her when she watched him play.
However, it's worth pointing out that when someone posted that article earlier, it didn't say he'd gone, nor mention a fee, undisclosed or otherwise, and it still doesn't.

Still, all the best Barry if the poster's imagination turns out to be correct.

Definitely.

I remember in particular a game against a very strong Manure reserve side and Bannan was masterful.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 27, 2013, 08:44:52 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 27, 2013, 08:01:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 27, 2013, 06:56:55 PM

Whatever peoples opinions of BB, he is part of our club's history and goes on the role of honour as a Scottish International.  To my knowledge (others may know better) he has never publicly criticised the club.  For all of the foregoing he deserves our thanks and I for one wish him well wherever his future takes him.

Seconded. As a reserves watcher he has given me some great memories of great football and winning trophies. At that level he's as good as Iniesta. Also, thanks to his mom for some real comedy gold sitting near her when she watched him play.
However, it's worth pointing out that when someone posted that article earlier, it didn't say he'd gone, nor mention a fee, undisclosed or otherwise, and it still doesn't.

Still, all the best Barry if the poster's imagination turns out to be correct.

Definitely.

I remember in particular a game against a very strong Manure reserve side and Bannan was masterful.

Was that the one we won 1-4 away? It was Bebe's debut for Man Utd and Bannan scored a hatrick, I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on July 27, 2013, 09:03:11 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

A telling blow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

Maybe if I worded it as "with international experience" it would have carried a bit more weight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2013, 09:31:58 PM

We should so sign Sylla's mate, the keeper in his tweet tonight. He us effing scary! 
http://twitter.com/91_yacou/status/361188790716481536/photo/1

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2013, 09:44:48 PM

Bannan scored two goals for us? The only one I remember is the scuffed penalty at Kwipir. What was the other one?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on July 27, 2013, 09:46:43 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 27, 2013, 09:44:48 PM

Bannan scored two goals for us? The only one I remember is the scuffed penalty at Kwipir. What was the other one?

In Vienna, sadly I have not banished it from my mind 1-1, first time we played them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 27, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jwarry on July 27, 2013, 09:31:58 PM

We should so sign Sylla's mate, the keeper in his tweet tonight. He us effing scary! 
http://twitter.com/91_yacou/status/361188790716481536/photo/1

The African Craig Gardner

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 27, 2013, 10:10:57 PM

Randy has clearly agreed to lose money to make money ie he came into SUCCER all naive with MON and now wants to 'reboot the franchise' on solid financial grounds with a highly rated coach. If this works, and it deserves to, all other clubs - yes, even them - will follow the lead. Most interesting things to happen since Saunders was in charge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on July 27, 2013, 11:28:43 PM

Nothing wrong with BB. And well said paulcomben.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on July 27, 2013, 11:51:22 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 27, 2013, 08:44:52 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on July 27, 2013, 08:01:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2013, 07:18:42 PM

Quote from: dave shelley on July 27, 2013, 06:56:55 PM

Whatever peoples opinions of BB, he is part of our club's history and goes on the role of honour as a Scottish International.  To my knowledge (others may know better) he has never publicly criticised the club.  For all of the foregoing he deserves our thanks and I for one wish him well wherever his future takes him.

Seconded. As a reserves watcher he has given me some great memories of great football and winning trophies. At that level he's as good as Iniesta. Also, thanks to his mom for some real comedy gold sitting near her when she watched him play.
However, it's worth pointing out that when someone posted that article earlier, it didn't say he'd gone, nor mention a fee, undisclosed or otherwise, and it still doesn't.

Still, all the best Barry if the poster's imagination turns out to be correct.

Definitely.

I remember in particular a game against a very strong Manure reserve side and Bannan was masterful.

Was that the one we won 1-4 away? It was Bebe's debut for Man Utd and Bannan scored a hatrick, I think.

Spot on Billly Walker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2013, 01:58:55 AM

Not a clue if he will end up at Villa, but after being questioned as to whether he was a fake account the lad from Pescara posted a picture of himself tonight. Although batshit crazy bayley is on his case now so he will likely go elsewhere!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 28, 2013, 03:00:59 AM

£82 million for Bale, WOW! Wonder how log it will be until we see the first £100 million footballer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 28, 2013, 03:09:30 AM

Next summer when Benteke goes!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2013, 06:30:43 AM

Bale is exceptional but worth about 50 in today's prices.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 07:51:53 AM

Newcastle director of football Joe Kinnear has made enquiries about Sunderland's 28-year-old defender Phil Bardsley.
Full story: Sunday Express.

(Cue Dr Hibbert style laugh)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

So is Hutton

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: villasjf on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

So is Hutton

And Phil Bardsley.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 08:51:06 AM

Would still like us to sign Lescott as defence has ongoing problems. But, Nastasic got injured yesterday on that shocking pitch in Hong Kong, so they may be reluctant to sell at the moment. I'm sure JL would welcome the move as he's a Villa fan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2013, 09:21:58 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: villasjf on July 28, 2013, 08:25:04 AM

Quote from: olaftab on July 27, 2013, 09:01:35 PM

Quote from: gervilla on July 27, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

£750,000 doesn't seem like much for a 23 year old full international with 64 Premier League appearances.

Mate he is full international for Scotland .....

So is Hutton

And Phil Bardsley.

My village could field a better team

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

The Village people could field a better team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 09:57:17 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

The Village people could field a better team.

True, they seem a tight-knit bunch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 28, 2013, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 09:57:17 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

The Village people could field a better team.

True, they seem a tight-knit bunch.

Is it true that out of all the village people band, only one of them was actually Gay

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2013, 10:20:56 AM

Quote from: john e on July 28, 2013, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 09:57:17 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

The Village people could field a better team.

True, they seem a tight-knit bunch.

Is it true that out of all the village people band, only one of them was actually Gay

I remember reading that somewhere as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on July 28, 2013, 10:22:59 AM

Quote from: john e on July 28, 2013, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 09:57:17 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 09:36:25 AM

The Village people could field a better team.

True, they seem a tight-knit bunch.
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Is it true that out of all the village people band, only one of them was actually Gay

Yep, can't remember his name but it was the bloke in the native American headdress

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 28, 2013, 10:26:05 AM

The story I heard is that the Village People wore the distinctive costumes to hide the fact that the line-up changed continually. They were very badly paid by their management and always under threat of getting the sack if they asked for more money.

I expect Ellis had a hand in it, somewhere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 10:30:57 AM

Quote from: damon loves JT on July 28, 2013, 10:26:05 AM

The story I heard is that the Village People wore the distinctive costumes to hide the fact that the line-up changed continually. They were very badly paid by their management and always under threat of getting the sack if they asked for more money.

I expect Ellis had a hand in it, somewhere

There's no need for that kind of smut on a Sunday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2013, 10:45:23 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2013, 06:30:43 AM

Bale is exceptional but worth about 50 in today's prices.

This! If spurs are being offered Di Maria and Coentrao plus £50m they should
Snap their hands off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on July 28, 2013, 10:47:17 AM

Bale is n't worth more than 60mil. 80mil means He is twice as good as Rooney or Suarez

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 28, 2013, 10:49:08 AM

Must be terrible to support a selling club like Spurs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2013, 10:54:51 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 28, 2013, 10:47:17 AM

Bale is n't worth more than 60mil. 80mil means He is twice as good as Rooney or Suarez

I agree he's at least 10x as good as the jug-earred moron

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2013, 11:08:00 AM

he is better but not that  much. 82 Million is pure madness. To reject that is even more crazy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 11:09:19 AM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2013, 10:45:23 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on July 28, 2013, 06:30:43 AM

Bale is exceptional but worth about 50 in today's prices.

This! If spurs are being offered Di Maria and Coentrao plus £50m they should
Snap their hands off

Decent lyrics, need to hear the tune though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2013, 11:19:36 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 28, 2013, 10:47:17 AM

Bale is n't worth more than 60mil. 80mil means He is twice as good as Rooney or Suarez

It doesn't really work like that though, if a player is seen as the best that money can buy in that position, that is why the price sky rockets. It can be determined by how many top clubs would be willing to buy him, a lot of those clubs may feel that Rooney or Suarez are excellent players but would they greatly improve on what they already have? They probably feel that Bale would. Also contract situations come into play on price.

In actual fact, i'd say with current world transfer fees and the way he played last season (i assume he's got plenty of contract left) you wuldn't be too suprised at £75m

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 28, 2013, 11:19:36 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 28, 2013, 10:47:17 AM

Bale is n't worth more than 60mil. 80mil means He is twice as good as Rooney or Suarez

It doesn't really work like that though, if a player is seen as the best that money can buy in that position, that is why the price sky rockets. It can be determined by how many top clubs would be willing to buy him, a lot of those clubs may feel that Rooney or Suarez are excellent players but would they greatly improve on what they already have? They probably feel that Bale would. Also contract situations come into play on price.

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on July 28, 2013, 11:41:04 AM

Bale is one hamstring twang or knee twist from turning into Owen. Loads of injury time out and never getting back his form ne once had.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Stu on July 28, 2013, 11:50:09 AM

Quote from: DB on July 28, 2013, 11:41:04 AM

Bale is one hamstring twang or knee twist from turning into Owen. Loads of injury time out and never getting back his form ne once had.

So like any footballer, he's a bad injury away from retiring from the game.

What effect does that have on his value?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2013, 11:51:53 AM

Aren't they all?
There's a lot more to Bale's game than pace if that's what you're saying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2013, 11:54:37 AM

Bizarrely, Bale was spared a lot of injury time when he went over on his ankle towards the end of the season. He didn't have any ligament damage because he's already had to have the ligament removed in the past.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2013, 12:12:17 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on July 28, 2013, 10:47:17 AM

Bale is n't worth more than 60mil.

How did you work that out? He is no more worth £60m than he is worth  £80m. It's an artificial value that is driven by complex and inflated market place and either of those numbers have no realistic value.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 12:12:43 PM

I think Bale is a fantastic player and to think MON enquired about him on a loan deal at one point when Spurs fans didn't rate him in the early days after his transfer from Southampton.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2013, 12:13:27 PM

I think Levy would be mad to turn down £60m let alone £80m for a very dodgy asset!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on July 28, 2013, 12:25:34 PM

Quote from: Stu on July 28, 2013, 11:50:09 AM

Quote from: DB on July 28, 2013, 11:41:04 AM

Bale is one hamstring twang or knee twist from turning into Owen. Loads of injury time out and never getting back his form ne once had.

So like any footballer, he's a bad injury away from retiring from the game.

What effect does that have on his value?

I never said retiring. I said he won't be the same player for the type of player he is i.e. his pace is a huge part of what he does, like Owen. Once he's had a bad knock, he won't be the same.

I wasn't really commenting on his value, just my observation on the type of player he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on July 28, 2013, 12:38:14 PM

Spurs' physios need to get hold of him and give his ears a good crinkling. It worked with Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 28, 2013, 12:51:10 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

Well, apart that is from all the cheating diving stuff

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 01:00:37 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 28, 2013, 12:51:10 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

Well, apart that is from all the cheating diving stuff

Yeah, but that's not going to put off potential suitors.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 01:06:18 PM

Buy Bale for £85m. Sell Ronaldo to Man U for £80m.

They're £5m down but have cunningly passed the problem of paying a 30+ player £200k a week Man U. Man U are happy as they've weakened a rival and boosted merchandising.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2013, 01:27:24 PM

Except Ronaldo's 28 and I imagine that United would be quite happy with those problems whilst they win countless trophies with his goals for the next 7+ years. I hope the arrogant prick stays at Madrid for the rest of his career.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 01:50:01 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2013, 01:27:24 PM

Except Ronaldo's 28 and I imagine that United would be quite happy with those problems whilst they win countless trophies with his goals for the next 7+ years. I hope the arrogant prick stays at Madrid for the rest of his career.

I read he's 29 pretty soon and is looking for another £200k contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 01:55:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bale-dive.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2013, 02:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 01:55:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bale-dive.gif)

Lee you might want to create some sort of distraction in the courtroom when PWS shows Exhibit A to the jury

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 02:19:09 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2013, 02:13:46 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 01:55:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 11:23:41 AM

Also, Rooney and Suarez appear to be a pair of classless fuckwits, whereas Bale does seem to be a decent chap and a good pro.

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/bale-dive.gif)

Lee you might want to create some sort of distraction in the courtroom when PWS shows Exhibit A to the jury

The video has clearly been doctored, as anyone can see you've removed the scythe from Guzan's hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2013, 02:20:29 PM

Lee I see you've dug up Johnny Cochran

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2013, 02:24:21 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 01:50:01 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2013, 01:27:24 PM

Except Ronaldo's 28 and I imagine that United would be quite happy with those problems whilst they win countless trophies with his goals for the next 7+ years. I hope the arrogant prick stays at Madrid for the rest of his career.

I read he's 29 pretty soon and is looking for another £200k contract.

February 5th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 02:32:17 PM

So, according to the press Madrid have offered anything from £51m to £86m. And Bale is desperate to leave. While it's a lot of money, I still can't help having a little chuckle at Mr Levy. Karma is a bitch isn't it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 28, 2013, 02:42:45 PM

He's cleary going to leave so they'd be better doing the deal now giving them maximum time to reinvest the money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 02:46:43 PM

The ronaldo to Man U, bale to Madrid is still my hunch of what will happen, even if my logic seems flawed to the masses.

Although I think there's a game of "who blinks first" going on which may mean no one moves involving arsenal, Madrid, spurs, Liverpool, Man U. I still fear that once someone's cash is injected into the football economy that there could be a big bid for benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 03:06:03 PM

I can't see Ronaldo wanting to play for Moyes to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on July 28, 2013, 03:53:01 PM

 I can't see Benteke going until next summer, more likely the summer after that.He will have proved himself by then, and be worth , hopefully for us, worth more than what Spuds offered.

 Agree Mazrim, Moyes has got to prove himself this year, can't see a player as big a name as Ronaldo going there yet, they could finish outside the top 2 this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 03:56:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 02:32:17 PM

So, according to the press Madrid have offered anything from £51m to £86m. And Bale is desperate to leave. While it's a lot of money, I still can't help having a little chuckle at Mr Levy. Karma is a bitch isn't it.

I saw a headline shouting 95m on the back of one of today's papers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2013, 03:59:05 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 02:46:43 PM

The ronaldo to Man U, bale to Madrid is still my hunch of what will happen, even if my logic seems flawed to the masses.

Although I think there's a game of "who blinks first" going on which may mean no one moves involving arsenal, Madrid, spurs, Liverpool, Man U. I still fear that once someone's cash is injected into the football economy that there could be a big bid for benteke.

Who we don't want to sell and doesn't want to leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2013, 04:52:57 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 03:06:03 PM

I can't see Ronaldo wanting to play for Moyes to be honest.

Ronaldo is not coming to play he will be coming to perform, carry out his final act at the theatre of (ok I can't say it but you know). Moyse is just a prop in his show as are the rest of the cast!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

Or he'll stay put at the biggest club in the world, or go to Bayern.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 05:15:40 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2013, 03:59:05 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 02:46:43 PM

The ronaldo to Man U, bale to Madrid is still my hunch of what will happen, even if my logic seems flawed to the masses.

Although I think there's a game of "who blinks first" going on which may mean no one moves involving arsenal, Madrid, spurs, Liverpool, Man U. I still fear that once someone's cash is injected into the football economy that there could be a big bid for benteke.

Who we don't want to sell and doesn't want to leave.

I didn't say we'd sell him, but I could see a situation where Liverpool suddenly have say £50m to burn and a desperate beed for a striker. In which a case a £30m bid may not be so ludicrous.

Purely guesswork on my part and I'd hope we'd reject any bid at this stage anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 05:15:40 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2013, 03:59:05 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 02:46:43 PM

The ronaldo to Man U, bale to Madrid is still my hunch of what will happen, even if my logic seems flawed to the masses.

Although I think there's a game of "who blinks first" going on which may mean no one moves involving arsenal, Madrid, spurs, Liverpool, Man U. I still fear that once someone's cash is injected into the football economy that there could be a big bid for benteke.

Who we don't want to sell and doesn't want to leave.

I didn't say we'd sell him, but I could see a situation where Liverpool suddenly have say £50m to burn and a desperate beed for a striker. In which a case a £30m bid may not be so ludicrous.

Purely guesswork on my part and I'd hope we'd reject any bid at this stage anyway.

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 05:15:40 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2013, 03:59:05 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 02:46:43 PM

The ronaldo to Man U, bale to Madrid is still my hunch of what will happen, even if my logic seems flawed to the masses.

Although I think there's a game of "who blinks first" going on which may mean no one moves involving arsenal, Madrid, spurs, Liverpool, Man U. I still fear that once someone's cash is injected into the football economy that there could be a big bid for benteke.

Who we don't want to sell and doesn't want to leave.

I didn't say we'd sell him, but I could see a situation where Liverpool suddenly have say £50m to burn and a desperate beed for a striker. In which a case a £30m bid may not be so ludicrous.

Purely guesswork on my part and I'd hope we'd reject any bid at this stage anyway.

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2013, 05:52:55 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

Or he'll stay put at the biggest club in the world, or go to Bayern.

Wouldn't last a week in Germany.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

No way Ronaldo twice the player Bale is....In fact, I think Bale is the better player now. Mind you, Tottenham are asking anything up to £100M now, which makes our own Christian Benteke worth £150M!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on July 28, 2013, 05:59:59 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Well said.  Liverpool aren't a big deal anymore. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Mate he will go anywhere that will pay him more money

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 06:26:38 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Mate he will go anywhere that will pay him more money

What do you think the contract extension and transfer request retraction were all about then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:30:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 06:26:38 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Mate he will go anywhere that will pay him more money

What do you think the contract extension and transfer request retraction were all about then?

He saw that at that moment his options were very limited...ie no one could afford him but (and its a big but I know) if Bale, Suarez move then they will both have the funds to pay for him and it will be up to the club to reject any bids but if his agent is told that other clubs will pay him more money that will make him unsettled

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2013, 06:44:37 PM

Anyway what about Young/Milner/Barry coming back.....we haven't discussed ex-loves for a few pages now?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 06:50:27 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:30:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 06:26:38 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 06:00:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2013, 05:58:26 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on July 28, 2013, 05:48:15 PM

Quote from: Billy Walker on July 28, 2013, 05:32:14 PM

Liverpool wouldn't be daft enough to put in a bid as they know they would have zero chance of getting him.

Why would they have zero chance of getting him............

Because they are shit, it isn't 1985 anymore, and he doesn't want to play for a Scandinavian club.

Mate he will go anywhere that will pay him more money

What do you think the contract extension and transfer request retraction were all about then?

He saw that at that moment his options were very limited...ie no one could afford him but (and its a big but I know) if Bale, Suarez move then they will both have the funds to pay for him and it will be up to the club to reject any bids but if his agent is told that other clubs will pay him more money that will make him unsettled

I'm sure the contract was agreed on the basis he will not be sold this summer, otherwise what the fuck was the point?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 06:56:20 PM

I think you're right to an extent LeeB, but I suspect such arrangement would be a gentleman's agreement whereby he stays for this season but can leave next year for say 30m.  Therefore I doubt it would be a condition of the contract in which case he could still leave this summer (unlikely as it is).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 07:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 06:56:20 PM

I think you're right to an extent LeeB, but I suspect such arrangement would be a gentleman's agreement whereby he stays for this season but can leave next year for say 30m.  Therefore I doubt it would be a condition of the contract in which case he could still leave this summer (unlikely as it is).

We wouldn't need it though, we just wouldn't sell him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:11:57 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 07:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 06:56:20 PM

I think you're right to an extent LeeB, but I suspect such arrangement would be a gentleman's agreement whereby he stays for this season but can leave next year for say 30m.  Therefore I doubt it would be a condition of the contract in which case he could still leave this summer (unlikely as it is).

We wouldn't need it though, we just wouldn't sell him.

I don't have too much of a problem with how Benteke has behaved this summer, I think he is a professional footballer who wants to make the best of himself.  However I do not think he has suddenly developed a love for the club.  I suspect he signed a contract this summer because he thought no-one would bid the agreed fee.  My guess is that signing the new contract means the required fee is now more than before.

If a bid of the new value came this summer then it would not surprise me if he sulked and tried to wangle for a move again.

Admittedly this is completely guesswork and there are too many "ifs" in the scenario to get worried about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on July 28, 2013, 07:26:42 PM

I don't see Benteke leaving this window. He'll be on his way next summer though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 07:31:27 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:11:57 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 28, 2013, 07:01:04 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 06:56:20 PM

I think you're right to an extent LeeB, but I suspect such arrangement would be a gentleman's agreement whereby he stays for this season but can leave next year for say 30m.  Therefore I doubt it would be a condition of the contract in which case he could still leave this summer (unlikely as it is).

We wouldn't need it though, we just wouldn't sell him.

I don't have too much of a problem with how Benteke has behaved this summer, I think he is a professional footballer who wants to make the best of himself.  However I do not think he has suddenly developed a love for the club.  I suspect he signed a contract this summer because he thought no-one would bid the agreed fee.  My guess is that signing the new contract means the required fee is now more than before.

If a bid of the new value came this summer then it would not surprise me if he sulked and tried to wangle for a move again.

Admittedly this is completely guesswork and there are too many "ifs" in the scenario to get worried about it.

I know what you're saying, and of course it's a possibility, but I think the deal was designed to spell out that the player is not for sale until at least next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2013, 07:45:09 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

No way Ronaldo twice the player Bale is....In fact, I think Bale is the better player now. Mind you, Tottenham are asking anything up to £100M now, which makes our own Christian Benteke worth £150M!!!

this is the Cristiano Ronaldo that scored 55 goals last season and 60 goals the season before in La Liga right? Bale is a superb player, but the only Ronaldo that he is better than now is the fat old one that wants to get into porn.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 28, 2013, 07:46:42 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on July 28, 2013, 07:26:42 PM

I don't see Benteke leaving this window. He'll be on his way next summer though.

I agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

They'll all want Helenius next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:58:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

They'll all want Helenius next summer.

lets hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on July 28, 2013, 08:00:43 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

No way Ronaldo twice the player Bale is....In fact, I think Bale is the better player now. Mind you, Tottenham are asking anything up to £100M now, which makes our own Christian Benteke worth £150M!!!

Ha ha, you nearly had me then. Bale is not, nor never will be better than Ronaldo. He is absolute quality, but he isn't on the same level as Messi and Ronaldo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on July 28, 2013, 08:13:59 PM

Quote from: Shrek on July 28, 2013, 08:00:43 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

No way Ronaldo twice the player Bale is....In fact, I think Bale is the better player now. Mind you, Tottenham are asking anything up to £100M now, which makes our own Christian Benteke worth £150M!!!

Ha ha, you nearly had me then. Bale is not, nor never will be better than Ronaldo. He is absolute quality, but he isn't on the same level as Messi and Ronaldo.

Perhaps if he was at a big club he might get the chance to shine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2013, 08:50:46 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:58:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

They'll all want Helenius next summer.

lets hope so.

Do you not like him, Dante?                 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2013, 09:01:18 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 28, 2013, 08:50:46 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:58:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

They'll all want Helenius next summer.

lets hope so.

Do you not like him, Dante?                 8)

I think he means, if he has a 'Benteke' type season, clubs will be sniffing around.

Unless of course, your reply was of a sarcastic overture.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

My comment about Helenius was tongue-in-cheek of course, but his youtube video pisses all over Benteke's from his time at Genk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 10:24:22 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

But Ronaldo is twice the player Bale is so I don't see why that's a good move for Real.
If they put Ronaldo and Bale behind or either side of a top striker.... awesome.

No way Ronaldo twice the player Bale is....In fact, I think Bale is the better player now. Mind you, Tottenham are asking anything up to £100M now, which makes our own Christian Benteke worth £150M!!!

I'm guessing you're taking the piss? Ronaldo is arguably (and there's only one reasonable alternative)  the best player in the world and has been for some time. Bale isn't even close, despie being a wonderful player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2013, 10:46:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

My comment about Helenius was tongue-in-cheek of course, but his youtube video pisses all over Benteke's from his time at Genk.

I disagree.  Benteke's videos last summer were very raw but they showed the one thing that you cannot learn as a striker which is the ability to find space in the box.  The first time we were linked and the video surfaced I mentioned it and loads of people called it bad defending but we've now seen a season of him finding time and space in the 'best league in the world' so it clearly wasn't the defending.

Helenius's video shows a player with excellent technique, pace and balance who was full of confidence and got better as the season progressed and there are hints of real quality there but he's not the raw diamond Benteke proved to be, I think he'll be a very good premier league player going forward but I think Benteke will be one of the best strikers in the world within a couple of years.

To back the thread up a few pages - regarding Bale being a decent guy, he trademarked his goal celebration, I can't think of a clearer way to inform the world you're a complete bellend than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on July 28, 2013, 11:14:39 PM

Aye, he 'hearts' Tottingham fans so much.    Just like he'll love Real Madrid or Manchester United fans should either of those sides be mental enough to match the asking price.  Or the visitors to Dudley Zoo, when he finishes his career at his spiritual home.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 11:39:35 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 28, 2013, 10:46:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

My comment about Helenius was tongue-in-cheek of course, but his youtube video pisses all over Benteke's from his time at Genk.

I disagree.  Benteke's videos last summer were very raw but they showed the one thing that you cannot learn as a striker which is the ability to find space in the box.  The first time we were linked and the video surfaced I mentioned it and loads of people called it bad defending but we've now seen a season of him finding time and space in the 'best league in the world' so it clearly wasn't the defending.

Helenius's video shows a player with excellent technique, pace and balance who was full of confidence and got better as the season progressed and there are hints of real quality there but he's not the raw diamond Benteke proved to be, I think he'll be a very good premier league player going forward but I think Benteke will be one of the best strikers in the world within a couple of years.

To be honest, Benteke's video got such bad reviews on here I didn't watch it. I did stick up for him early on though, as you can see from the genesis of his mammoth thread, and as soon as I saw him 'live' I was convinced he was gonna be shit hot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

And well he might trademark his shit goal celebration. In a few thousand years that symbol replaces the sign of the cross as the number one religious gesture when the apes take over.
They will make heart shaped signs with their hands to Charlton Heston, in remembrance of Ba-el, the first chimp who talked... like Pam Ayres.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2013, 01:17:45 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 11:39:35 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 28, 2013, 10:46:07 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

My comment about Helenius was tongue-in-cheek of course, but his youtube video pisses all over Benteke's from his time at Genk.

I disagree.  Benteke's videos last summer were very raw but they showed the one thing that you cannot learn as a striker which is the ability to find space in the box.  The first time we were linked and the video surfaced I mentioned it and loads of people called it bad defending but we've now seen a season of him finding time and space in the 'best league in the world' so it clearly wasn't the defending.

Helenius's video shows a player with excellent technique, pace and balance who was full of confidence and got better as the season progressed and there are hints of real quality there but he's not the raw diamond Benteke proved to be, I think he'll be a very good premier league player going forward but I think Benteke will be one of the best strikers in the world within a couple of years.

To be honest, Benteke's video got such bad reviews on here I didn't watch it. I did stick up for him early on though, as you can see from the genesis of his mammoth thread, and as soon as I saw him 'live' I was convinced he was gonna be shit hot.

When Benteke scored on his debut after coming on as a sub I remember after seeing the goal thinking if only he had stopped the ball on the line and got down and, face towards the ground, gently nodded it in, it would surely have been the best debut goal ever (those kind of goals are legal...right? At schoolboy level we were told not to do them probably to stop all the Billy Big Bollocks but maybe there is some law or shit...).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 29, 2013, 08:28:33 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

And well he might trademark his shit goal celebration. In a few thousand years that symbol replaces the sign of the cross as the number one religious gesture when the apes take over.
They will make heart shaped signs with their hands to Charlton Heston, in remembrance of Ba-el, the first chimp who talked... like Pam Ayres.

He'd do we'll to remember her famous lament, "I wish I'd looked after me image rights".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 29, 2013, 08:52:48 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

And well he might trademark his shit goal celebration. In a few thousand years that symbol replaces the sign of the cross as the number one religious gesture when the apes take over.
They will make heart shaped signs with their hands to Charlton Heston, in remembrance of Ba-el, the first chimp who talked... like Pam Ayres.

Has he kissed the badge yet?
That's the sure fire way of telling if he'll go or not  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JD on July 29, 2013, 10:21:24 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

And well he might trademark his shit goal celebration. In a few thousand years that symbol replaces the sign of the cross as the number one religious gesture when the apes take over.
They will make heart shaped signs with their hands to Charlton Heston, in remembrance of Ba-el, the first chimp who talked... like Pam Ayres.

Brilliant Maz, good to see you back and on form my friend. A laugh out loud moment (the wife thinks I'm sad).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 28, 2013, 11:40:26 PM

And well he might trademark his shit goal celebration. In a few thousand years that symbol replaces the sign of the cross as the number one religious gesture when the apes take over.
They will make heart shaped signs with their hands to Charlton Heston, in remembrance of Ba-el, the first chimp who talked... like Pam Ayres.

This is very good.
The mind of a genius at work.
;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 29, 2013, 11:41:46 AM

Cardiff set for Capoue talks (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/8846065/cardiff-set-for-capoue-talks)

Cardiff boss Malky Mackay has confirmed the club have agreed a fee with Toulouse midfielder Etienne Capoue.

Toulouse claimed last week that Cardiff were leading the race to sign the highly-rated Capoue and Mackay admits they are in talks to sign the French international.

Capoue has been linked with a move to the Premier League for some time and Mackay is hoping of luring the 25-year-old to Cardiff.

"Ourselves and Toulouse have come to an agreement," said Mackay.

"We've got to then have the conversation with Etienne and his advisors, they've been very professional in terms of what they're talking about as well.

"We've been in constant dialogue with them in the last week and Toulouse have been excellent to deal with.

"It's pretty delicate at the moment. We're in discussions and negotiations but it's something that's ongoing."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on July 29, 2013, 11:47:20 AM

I've only seen him play a couple of times, but on those occasions Capoue has looked very good. I'm surprised he's not got a move to a club in European competition, but I think he'd be a very impressive signing for Cardiff. I'd be pretty happy if he was coming to Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 29, 2013, 12:03:25 PM

Is this the Villa tranfers page?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2013, 12:03:38 PM

Why do they have to talk to Toulouse AND Etienne?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2013, 12:05:11 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 29, 2013, 12:03:25 PM

Is this the Villa tranfers page?

The "Other Clubs Transfers" Thread has been moved to "Other Football".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2013, 12:37:58 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 12:03:38 PM

Why do they have to talk to Toulouse AND Etienne?

Because Toulouse is his club and Etienne is him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2013, 12:55:17 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2013, 09:01:18 PM

Quote from: Mister E on July 28, 2013, 08:50:46 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 28, 2013, 07:58:09 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2013, 07:50:48 PM

They'll all want Helenius next summer.

lets hope so.

Do you not like him, Dante?                 8)

I think he means, if he has a 'Benteke' type season, clubs will be sniffing around.

Unless of course, your reply was of a sarcastic overture.

I was being sarky, Eric.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2013, 01:06:45 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on July 29, 2013, 12:05:11 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on July 29, 2013, 12:03:25 PM

Is this the Villa tranfers page?

The "Other Clubs Transfers" Thread has been moved to "Other Football".

Quite. So maybe talks of Cardiff's transfers should also be going on there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 01:07:10 PM

Newcastle look like they have given up on Gomis. Take Bent of us you fools!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2013, 01:26:44 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2013, 12:37:58 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 12:03:38 PM

Why do they have to talk to Toulouse AND Etienne?

Because Toulouse is his club and Etienne is him.

Oh yeah. Fancy having another team's name as his own. I was wondering whether St Etienne and Toulousse both part owned him somehow like some South American players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 29, 2013, 01:44:24 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 01:26:44 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2013, 12:37:58 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 12:03:38 PM

Why do they have to talk to Toulouse AND Etienne?

Because Toulouse is his club and Etienne is him.

Oh yeah. Fancy having another team's name as his own. I was wondering whether St Etienne and Toulousse both part owned him somehow like some South American players.

Reminds me of that player for Derby called Villa, scoring against Blues :-D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 29, 2013, 01:47:25 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2013, 01:06:45 PM

Quite. So maybe talks of Cardiff's transfers should also be going on there.

Apologies, if I had been aware of this I would have posted it there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2013, 02:02:59 PM

Thanks Sam - sorry for the sharpness.

I've also amended the thread title of this one to try and keep it as 'Villa pure' as possible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mal on July 29, 2013, 02:06:55 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on July 28, 2013, 11:14:39 PM

Aye, he 'hearts' Tottingham fans so much.    Just like he'll love Real Madrid or Manchester United fans should either of those sides be mental enough to match the asking price.  Or the visitors to Dudley Zoo, when he finishes his career at his spiritual home.

I thought this was absolutely priceless until Mazrim trumped you further down the page...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2013, 02:24:30 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on July 28, 2013, 07:26:42 PM

I don't see Benteke leaving this window. He'll be on his way next summer though.

That's presuming he is as good this season as he was last. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 29, 2013, 02:38:53 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2013, 02:02:59 PM

Thanks Sam - sorry for the sharpness.

I've also amended the thread title of this one to try and keep it as 'Villa pure' as possible.

It would be nice though Dave to have that thread back here in Discussions, particularly at this time of year. It is a right pain having to swap over to Other Football, particularly if you are trying to do it on a mobile and just want a quick gander on transfer news elsewhere

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2013, 02:59:13 PM

Two reasons why it's not, mainly it's to try and limit the number of 'stickied' threads at the top of the page (at times there can be a dozen or so things up there which can make the forum a bit messy). Usually we try and save those for announcements or things for people to be aware of.

Secondly, it's why we have an 'Other Football' sub-section. If we just moved the most popular threads out of the all the other sections then people would never bother to go in them and the whole things becomes rather self-fulfilling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on July 29, 2013, 03:04:09 PM

Fair enough Dave and it's no big deal though I do notice we have Other Games in the Discussions thread here and I just think having the other clubs' transfers one here as well would be particularly apposite at this time of year. Thank you for responding!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

not sure where to post this but the BBC are reporting the death of ex Birmingham loanee Christian Benetez at the age of just 27

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 29, 2013, 05:16:54 PM

The Christian Benitez thread in other football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on July 29, 2013, 06:42:58 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2013, 04:10:33 PM

not sure where to post this but the BBC are reporting the death of ex Birmingham loanee Christian Benetez at the age of just 27

How sad. RIP to the man

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 29, 2013, 09:08:18 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

Im going to say 2 more in but not till very late in the window. I think a new center back and attacking mid to replace the out going nzogbia bannan and ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 29, 2013, 09:13:55 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

I would be fine of that was the case tbh. More would be icing on the cake but central defenders aside I am pretty happy with what we have. I am pinning all my hopes of a solid center on the 20 year old Okore.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 29, 2013, 09:31:44 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 29, 2013, 09:08:18 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

Im going to say 2 more in but not till very late in the window. I think a new center back and attacking mid to replace the out going nzogbia bannan and ireland.

Only if we can shift Bent IMO

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

I think we need to shift more than Bent.
Hutton's move to Mallorca off apparently!
Bugger!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 29, 2013, 10:00:34 PM

I don't see us bringing any more in till we've shifted about 4-5 players at least. That'll be tough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frank black on July 29, 2013, 10:06:35 PM

Quote from: Holy Trinity on July 29, 2013, 09:08:18 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

Im going to say 2 more in but not till very late in the window. I think a new center back and attacking mid to replace the out going nzogbia bannan and ireland.

Outgoing Nzogbia, Bannan and Ireland. Wishful thinking, I can imagine Given, Hutton, Ireland and Nzogbia being put out on subsidised loans costing us thousands per week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2013, 10:17:48 PM

Have the club said anything about Nzogbia's injury?  I thought it was a pretty serious one which would put off 99% of clubs from signing him this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2013, 10:22:36 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

Agreed. Time now to make a team out of the squad, consolidate and look at filling the gaps in January. Meanwhile I hope any gaps do not turn into barn doors.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2013, 10:26:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2013, 02:59:13 PM

Two reasons why it's not, mainly it's to try and limit the number of 'stickied' threads at the top of the page (at times there can be a dozen or so things up there which can make the forum a bit messy).

Agree with "sticky". How about a compromise by leaving it in HD but not sticking it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Donacien played right back last Tuesday at Luton...and did a fine job!?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:29:04 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Donacien played right back last Tuesday at Luton...and did a fine job!?

I couldn't mention him though as I've just said to send him out on loan for the season on another thread!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on July 29, 2013, 10:36:22 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on July 29, 2013, 08:15:37 PM

I think this thread is over now. All our business has been done in my opinion.

You could be right as its all out of our hands now. It seems we're waiting for some interest to materialize in the bomb squad, and I can't imagine this happening until right at the end of the window. It doesn't seem likely that any of them (apart from perhaps Bent) would be at the top of any club's shopping list, as they are all overpaid and in need of some sort of professional rehabilitation. Other clubs will be waiting to see how desperate we get to offload them, and how much of the cost we are willing to subsidize.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:36:54 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:29:04 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Donacien played right back last Tuesday at Luton...and did a fine job!?

I couldn't mention him though as I've just said to send him out on loan for the season on another thread!

And I would agree OCD, but I wonder if Lambert has clearly seen the boy has got something. He may well be happy including him in the squad and giving him game time in League Cup etc. Time will tell.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:42:17 PM

I think Lambert would have seen his promise but I think that's even more reason to send him out on loan for a season. Instead of giving him the odd game here or there and potentially risking his development for short-term gain, we could have a regular first team player on our hands in another year's time if he's allowed to go and develop his game with regular first team football.

(Just to keep this on topic, developing Donacien might mean not needing to buy another centre half in another year's time).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 11:00:37 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:42:17 PM

I think Lambert would have seen his promise but I think that's even more reason to send him out on loan for a season. Instead of giving him the odd game here or there and potentially risking his development for short-term gain, we could have a regular first team player on our hands in another year's time if he's allowed to go and develop his game with regular first team football.

(Just to keep this on topic, developing Donacien might mean not needing to buy another centre half in another year's time).

This makes ultimate sense.
I just hope that we don't need to buy another centre half in a year's time!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on July 29, 2013, 11:56:49 PM

Some Twatterings linking us with Castaignos and Tadic from FC Twente tonight?! Not heard of either, personally.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2013, 12:26:55 AM

Still think will sign at least one more but it will be late August once, as others have suggested, the Bomb Squad have been shifted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2013, 08:11:29 AM

I think there will be two more in late August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on July 30, 2013, 08:27:07 AM

Ok, since there is nothing going on, I predict that 5 of the 9 bomb squad will leave permanently - Bannan, Bent, Given , Stevens and Burke freeing up 8 million in cash and 150k in wages.
2 will go out on loan - Hutton and Delfouneso freeing further 40k in wages
2 rotten apples left - fans favourite Stephen Ireland and Nzog because he's injured.

With the money realised I think Lambert will go back for Kiyotake spending about 12 to 13 million and possibly another defender , we hope.

Enter your bomb squad predictions here as its all we are likely to hear for about 3 weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Reuben on July 30, 2013, 08:49:57 AM

Quote from: IFWaters on July 30, 2013, 08:27:07 AM

Ok, since there is nothing going on, I predict that 5 of the 9 bomb squad will leave permanently - Bannan, Bent, Given , Stevens and Burke freeing up 8 million in cash and 150k in wages.
2 will go out on loan - Hutton and Delfouneso freeing further 40k in wages
2 rotten apples left - fans favourite Stephen Ireland and Nzog because he's injured.

With the money realised I think Lambert will go back for Kiyotake spending about 12 to 13 million and possibly another defender , we hope.

Enter your bomb squad predictions here as its all we are likely to hear for about 3 weeks.

When was Burke revealed as one of the bomb squad?  Have I missed something?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 30, 2013, 08:51:39 AM

When it gets to the end of the window, the onus will be on the Bomb Squad to find another club for themselves, or start planning their retirement from football. A few of them will get their arses in gear at that point, I expect

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2013, 09:05:10 AM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 29, 2013, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Donacien played right back last Tuesday at Luton...and did a fine job!?

Baccuna played there at Crewe, and did well. He also scored a great goal, which seems to be a prerequisite for our right backs  ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on July 30, 2013, 09:19:20 AM

If two more were coming in as some are saying I'd have expected Albrighton and Herd to be in the bomb squad, the fact they are not gives us 2 players for every position plus Bowery plus kids like Carruthers, Burke etc., even if all 8 of the bomb squad are shifted I think we are well covered.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 09:22:57 AM

I don' think the bomb squad contains players that give a shit for the Villa just those that are either not suited to the new way of doing things or are deliberately obstructive..

Neither Albrighton or Herd deserve to be lumped with the likes of Ireland et al

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nigel on July 30, 2013, 09:23:58 AM

Herd & Albrighton have had a fair bit of pre season game time, so I can't see them going.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2013, 09:31:49 AM

Alby's gonna get his chance I think. Because he didn't get a shot last season, Lambert will give him a last stab at it. He may only give him until Jan to prove himself. I hope he does well. So many injuries aren't helping the lad though.
Herdy has a great work ethic and is adaptable, so he'll have one more year. But at his age, if he's not getting much game time, then this will probably be his last year. Like Lichaj there's no complaints about his attitude or commitment. It's just it's an age where he's wasting himself if he's not playing. I'd expect if Herd isn't regularly among the 18 match day players, then he'll be on his last year here. After that he should drop a level to get playing week in and out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 09:55:55 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 09:22:57 AM

I don' think the bomb squad contains players that give a shit for the Villa just those that are either not suited to the new way of doing things or are deliberately obstructive..

Neither Albrighton or Herd deserve to be lumped with the likes of Ireland et al

And Bent and Given?

It's possible to "not be suited to the new way of doing things" (although not sure how that applies to a keeper) without being obstructive.

This group of players are ones the manager doesn't want to keep. That's fair enough and understandable but I don't see why we are so keen to label them in some way troublesome.

I've never heard Bent or Given described as troublesome. Or Hutton for that matter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 09:55:55 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 09:22:57 AM

I don' think the bomb squad contains players that give a shit for the Villa just those that are either not suited to the new way of doing things or are deliberately obstructive..

Neither Albrighton or Herd deserve to be lumped with the likes of Ireland et al

And Bent and Given?

It's possible to "not be suited to the new way of doing things" (although not sure how that applies to a keeper) without being obstructive.

This group of players are ones the manager doesn't want to keep. That's fair enough and understandable but I don't see why we are so keen to label them in some way troublesome.

I've never heard Bent or Given described as troublesome. Or Hutton for that matter.

I thought he'd covered that with the 'or' bit.

Agree with Hutton though, his only crime has been not quite being good enough. His attitude has been good from where I'm standing, he's gone out to wherever to get himself some games and do what he actually gets paid for, and he hasn't moaned about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on July 30, 2013, 10:03:18 AM

What I dont get about this bloody bomb squad is do they not have any proffesional integrity? Non of them are bad players so I dont understand why they struggle to find other clubs. Its got to be all about money but if it was me id be thinking bugger it, im gonna drop a few grand a week and go to brighton or hull or wherever and be somewhere Im wanted.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2013, 10:07:20 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 30, 2013, 10:03:18 AM

What I dont get about this bloody bomb squad is do they not have any proffesional integrity? Non of them are bad players so I dont understand why they struggle to find other clubs. Its got to be all about money but if it was me id be thinking bugger it, im gonna drop a few grand a week and go to brighton or hull or wherever and be somewhere Im wanted.

They're the last remnants of Randy's previous manager's strategies - oldish to old, highly paid, unsuited to Lambert's Dortmundball style (with a couple of failed hopes in Bannan and the Fonz). Some ancien regime players have adapted, like Gabby, but they haven't. The last of MON has gone with Dunne, now it's GH and especially TSM's signings who need to be cleared out. This is all about Lambert stamping his total control and identity over the Villa squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2013, 10:19:31 AM

Quote from: Montbert on July 30, 2013, 10:07:20 AM

Quote from: mattjpa on July 30, 2013, 10:03:18 AM

What I dont get about this bloody bomb squad is do they not have any proffesional integrity? Non of them are bad players so I dont understand why they struggle to find other clubs. Its got to be all about money but if it was me id be thinking bugger it, im gonna drop a few grand a week and go to brighton or hull or wherever and be somewhere Im wanted.

They're the last remnants of Randy's previous manager's strategies - oldish to old, highly paid, unsuited to Lambert's Dortmundball style (with a couple of failed hopes in Bannan and the Fonz). Some ancien regime players have adapted, like Gabby, but they haven't. The last of MON has gone with Dunne, now it's GH and especially TSM's signings who need to be cleared out. This is all about Lambert stamping his total control and identity over the Villa squad.

I agree with all of that but it still surprises me that the players themselves would prefer to sit on the bench (if they're lucky) rather than feel wanted and play somewhere else.  I know they have egos but they are human and being on the outside like this must affect them.  Surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2013, 10:25:57 AM

Well they probably have friends outside of football. Also they'll have families - you suspect wives especially - who will be pressuring them into not taking wage reductions to go and play somewhere else. They are only human and the situation can get difficult, just look at Bent - one of the highest paid English strikers out there for the best part of a decade, and then suddenly the game's moved on and his style is unwanted by anyone who can pay him the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2013, 10:37:49 AM

I heard them saying on SSN this morning that Given wasn't ready to drop down yet. Problem is no one in the top flight wants him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 30, 2013, 10:39:32 AM

I think the bomb squad should buy a small championship club and move together and play for this team. Perhaps a small club in Coventry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 10:52:15 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on July 30, 2013, 10:39:32 AM

I think the bomb squad should buy a small championship club and move together and play for this team. Perhaps a small club in Coventry.

I like this idea.

They can go self-employed like I'm having to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 30, 2013, 10:53:17 AM

SSN saying that Fulham have offered us an estimated 6 million for Bent after we rejected a bid of 4 million.

Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't heard this yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 30, 2013, 10:57:00 AM

I would like to see PL bring in a Lescott or Huth type defender.
Personally do not see this happening, as I feel PL has got plenty of new signings to work with and seems he is satisfied with what he has currently.

The last 3 months of last season were thoroughly entertaining, with our squad very capable of taking on most teams during this period.
Weak spots for myself were Bennett, Sylla sometimes, Gabby if he went missing & our obvious defensive weakness especially from set pieces.
Luna seems to have made left back his own, good defensively and loves to get forward at any opportunity.
Bacuna maybe the attacking midfielder we have been waiting for, little early but promising.
Tonev has that injury, but again looks like he has some speed and agility in his locker.
If Benteke does have an off day or we need a goal in last 20 minutes of a game, Helenius looks a handfull for any defense.
Which leaves the lacklustre defense, now Okore could be the final piece to the jigsaw, the poor lad is missing his pre season due to niggling injury, I really feel that this guy is the real deal, and I think that Vlaar is hoping this to, because he has been left wanting as much as Clark & Baker last season and this pre season.
Seems to be a lot of talk about the youngster Donacien who looks like he may get a chance at some stage, so Clark, Baker better keep looking over their shoulder.

I am very confident that we have a top 8 team, but if the defense can get it together and Okore settles nicely, 6th spot is very achievable.
We are going to score a lot of goals this season, let's hope we can stop conceding at the other end.
UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 10:58:20 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 09:55:55 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 09:22:57 AM

I don' think the bomb squad contains players that give a shit for the Villa just those that are either not suited to the new way of doing things or are deliberately obstructive..

Neither Albrighton or Herd deserve to be lumped with the likes of Ireland et al

And Bent and Given?

It's possible to "not be suited to the new way of doing things" (although not sure how that applies to a keeper) without being obstructive.

This group of players are ones the manager doesn't want to keep. That's fair enough and understandable but I don't see why we are so keen to label them in some way troublesome.

I've never heard Bent or Given described as troublesome. Or Hutton for that matter.

I thought he'd covered that with the 'or' bit.

Agree with Hutton though, his only crime has been not quite being good enough. His attitude has been good from where I'm standing, he's gone out to wherever to get himself some games and do what he actually gets paid for, and he hasn't moaned about it.

Still stands, really, in that if Albrighton 'doesn't deserve it', it sounds like there's some punitive element to it. So why do Given and Bent deserve it?

If they're players we have training with the kids because we don't want them, then that's fair enough. Just because Ireland is there doesn't strike me as a reason to tar them all with the same brush. Most of those players in that group, I can't think of a single occasion on which we know them to have been anything but professional. Shay Given, for example, strikes me as quite the opposite.

I remember reading a quote from Hutton last season saying he fully understood the manager's position re wanting to move him on etc etc, seemed relatively sensible. Shame about the shitness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 10:59:11 AM

Quote from: Chipsticks on July 30, 2013, 10:53:17 AM

SSN saying that Fulham have offered us an estimated 6 million for Bent after we rejected a bid of 4 million.

Sorry if this is old news but I hadn't heard this yet.

I don't think we'll get more than 6m for him. Which is mental, really, when you think about it. Someone - a team who plays to his strengths - will get a bargain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 11:10:28 AM

Not many people would change their employer for one who pays a lot less money. This is what they all face I suspect, probably Bannan and Bent to a lesser extent I'd say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:14:41 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 10:58:20 AM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 09:55:55 AM

Quote from: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 09:22:57 AM

I don' think the bomb squad contains players that give a shit for the Villa just those that are either not suited to the new way of doing things or are deliberately obstructive..

Neither Albrighton or Herd deserve to be lumped with the likes of Ireland et al

And Bent and Given?

It's possible to "not be suited to the new way of doing things" (although not sure how that applies to a keeper) without being obstructive.

This group of players are ones the manager doesn't want to keep. That's fair enough and understandable but I don't see why we are so keen to label them in some way troublesome.

I've never heard Bent or Given described as troublesome. Or Hutton for that matter.

I thought he'd covered that with the 'or' bit.

Agree with Hutton though, his only crime has been not quite being good enough. His attitude has been good from where I'm standing, he's gone out to wherever to get himself some games and do what he actually gets paid for, and he hasn't moaned about it.

Still stands, really, in that if Albrighton 'doesn't deserve it', it sounds like there's some punitive element to it. So why do Given and Bent deserve it?

If they're players we have training with the kids because we don't want them, then that's fair enough. Just because Ireland is there doesn't strike me as a reason to tar them all with the same brush. Most of those players in that group, I can't think of a single occasion on which we know them to have been anything but professional. Shay Given, for example, strikes me as quite the opposite.

I remember reading a quote from Hutton last season saying he fully understood the manager's position re wanting to move him on etc etc, seemed relatively sensible. Shame about the shitness.

I don't know, but I'm guessing he mans that although Given, Bent and Hutton have been professional about things to their credit, they don't actually give a shit about the Villa, whereas the likes of Bannan, Albrighton and Herd who've been with us as kids probably do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 11:27:25 AM

Again, where is the evidence that Bent, Hutton and Given don't give any less of a shit about the club than other players? There isn't any.

The one thing these players all have in common is that they're not wanted by the manager. That's fair enough, I just think ascribing some level of not giving a shit / other attitude problem is probably not really needed and unfair to the players concerned.

Surely - although I think players all mostly give a shit only about themselves - by that definition, for example, Christian Benteke's degree of shit-giving is questionable given that he put in a transfer request two weeks ago to get either a pay rise or a move to Spurs?

The one player of that bunch with a questionable attitude up there with Ireland's is Bannan, and he's one of the players you mentioned as having been here since they were kids.

Don't get me wrong, I am not going to shed huge numbers of tears to see any of those players go, I just think it's a little bit unfair the way some of them have had question marks put against their attitudes for no apparent reason of late when it's so unnecessary.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2013, 11:42:09 AM

Wht does everyone in the Bomb Squad need to be there for the same reason?  To me, it's a mixture of those that aren't good enough (Bannan, Delfouneso, Hutton), those that have an attitude problem (Ireland) and those that we can't afford to keep as subs (Bent, Given).  Either way, they're not in Lambert's plans, so are kept away from the main squad that are.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

I think that's pretty much how I feel. Players are really just commodities these days. It's an elaborate game, when they're playing we pretend to care about each other but, deep down, know that they'll soon be the object of affection elsewhere and with scarcely a backwards glance as they go through the motions of ingratiating themselves to a new set of fans.

I know that the there is the odd exception but mostly we're all complicit in a huge deception.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2013, 12:05:06 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 30, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

I think that's pretty much how I feel. Players are really just commodities these days. It's an elaborate game, when they're playing we pretend to care about each other but, deep down, know that they'll soon be the object of affection elsewhere and with scarcely a backwards glance as they go through the motions of ingratiating themselves to a new set of fans.

I know that the there is the odd exception but mostly we're all complicit in a huge deception.

A point that will be proven by the first Spurs fan who says "He wasn't that good anyway" once they flog Bale.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 12:09:55 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 30, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

I think that's pretty much how I feel. Players are really just commodities these days. It's an elaborate game, when they're playing we pretend to care about each other but, deep down, know that they'll soon be the object of affection elsewhere and with scarcely a backwards glance as they go through the motions of ingratiating themselves to a new set of fans.

I know that the there is the odd exception but mostly we're all complicit in a huge deception.

And I know we're all human and that, but any hurt feelings are hugely compensated by their financial rewards.

I'm being made redundant tomorrow, six weeks money for six years service, so my heart bleeds for the unused footballer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on July 30, 2013, 12:16:38 PM

We will see how many of the bomb squad want to play football or are prepared to sit on there backsides until the end of their contracts.

I would be surprised if any of the bomb squad even get a game in the reserve team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2013, 12:31:30 PM

From BBC Lancashire: "Blackburn manager Gary Bowyer says talks with Aston Villa's Barry Bannan have stopped, but a deal could be resurrected."

Oh dear, none of these players are moving willingly, are they. Probably hanging on in the hope of a PL club coming in for them later during the deadline scramble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 12:37:06 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2013, 12:31:30 PM

From BBC Lancashire: "Blackburn manager Gary Bowyer says talks with Aston Villa's Barry Bannan have stopped, but a deal could be resurrected."

Oh dear, none of these players are moving willingly, are they. Probably hanging on in the hope of a PL club coming in for them later during the deadline scramble.

It's the flip side of the sort of money we've splashed out on some players contracts over recent years, I imagine. They're going to be reluctant to walk away from big money (see also NRC, Marlon F Harewood et al)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2013, 12:37:32 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2013, 12:31:30 PM

From BBC Lancashire: "Blackburn manager Gary Bowyer says talks with Aston Villa's Barry Bannan have stopped, but a deal could be resurrected."

Oh dear, none of these players are moving willingly, are they. Probably hanging on in the hope of a PL club coming in for them later during the deadline scramble.

You can't blame them for holding out for the best deal. Plus no-one with any sense would move to Blackburn at the moment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2013, 12:38:54 PM

Where Bent and Given are concerned, and Hutton to be fair, they've all been complimentary about the club. They've all worked hard and not moaned. I won't tar them with the same brush as Ireland say who hasn't done enough on the pitch. In Hutton's case he's just shit. He can't help that. He also seems incapable of controlling the red mist that sees him attempt to slice someone in two almost every game. He's shown good grace in fairness to him.

As for being on the bomb squad. Well it's Lamberts perogative. I have no problem with him doing it. For varying reasons there are 8 odd players on there. However one common factor is that they're all being paid too much for how we want to run our club. Bent is on 80k a week roughly. Ireland must be similar. Given was given a 5 year contract on massive wages too. Hutton is on what, 35-40k? Again, he was given a long contract too. Zoggy came here for money. He'll be on 50-60 at least. Fonzy and Bannan are rumoured on 20k a week. A million a year. Which for young players who've not come close to reaching the potential people felt they would 2-3 years ago, is way, way too much.

That is why I've no problems with them being on the bomb squad. Herd and Albrighton will be on roughly the same is Bannan and Fonz I guess, Herd a bit less perhaps. I've no problems with those two getting one final year. I'd like to see Alby given a run under Lambert to see whether he can get back to his best, whilst Herd is always committed and is adaptable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 12:44:09 PM

Like I said, I don't have a problem if the manager wants them out. I can see why he would. In fact, you'd need to be a bit slow on the uptake to not get why an 80k a week striker and a 70k a week keeper on your bench is a waste of money. That's what got us into a mess in the first place.

Not too sure of the wisdom of making it so public, though. It makes it clear just how desperate we are to get shot of them, which doesn't strike me as the best way to go about getting as much money as you can for an asset you want to sell.

Oh well, we'll see.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2013, 12:45:23 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 12:09:55 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 30, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

I think that's pretty much how I feel. Players are really just commodities these days. It's an elaborate game, when they're playing we pretend to care about each other but, deep down, know that they'll soon be the object of affection elsewhere and with scarcely a backwards glance as they go through the motions of ingratiating themselves to a new set of fans.

I know that the there is the odd exception but mostly we're all complicit in a huge deception.

And I know we're all human and that, but any hurt feelings are hugely compensated by their financial rewards.

I'm being made redundant tomorrow, six weeks money for six years service, so my heart bleeds for the unused footballer.

Sorry to hear that Lee - hope it all works out for you!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 12:57:22 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on July 30, 2013, 12:45:23 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 12:09:55 PM

Quote from: Chris Smith on July 30, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 11:35:48 AM

You're a better man than me pauliewalnuts. I couldn't honestly give a shit about them, they're dead to me anyway.

I think that's pretty much how I feel. Players are really just commodities these days. It's an elaborate game, when they're playing we pretend to care about each other but, deep down, know that they'll soon be the object of affection elsewhere and with scarcely a backwards glance as they go through the motions of ingratiating themselves to a new set of fans.

I know that the there is the odd exception but mostly we're all complicit in a huge deception.

And I know we're all human and that, but any hurt feelings are hugely compensated by their financial rewards.

I'm being made redundant tomorrow, six weeks money for six years service, so my heart bleeds for the unused footballer.

Sorry to hear that Lee - hope it all works out for you!

Ditto, hope things take a turn for the better, Lee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 30, 2013, 12:58:13 PM

All the best Lee, hope things get sorted for you soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 30, 2013, 01:07:23 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2013, 10:17:17 PM

I think a lot of the bomb squad will be moved on very late in the window so if we're looking to move players on before bringing in, for instance, an attacking midfielder then nothing may happen. There has been a lot of talk about that number 10 type though.

I can't see anything happening in defence unless it's a young right back as cover for Lowton and even then, Bacuna/Webb/Herd may be in Lambert's thoughts for that.

Including some musings from Paul Merson in yesterday's Evening Mail:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-merson-says-aston-villa-5378103

In the article it also says that Kendrick thinks there could be more players coming in, but only after some have left the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Makes sense.

One short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player out, one short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on July 30, 2013, 01:30:48 PM

Where's the link come from vinnie, cannot see where he would fit in, just do not see it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2013, 01:40:48 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 12:09:55 PM

I'm being made redundant tomorrow, six weeks money for six years service, so my heart bleeds for the unused footballer.

That is bad news Lee and the payoff is dreadful but that's the Tory policy to thank for! I wish you best of luck in finding a new job and with you on these fuckers on circa £50k a week doing bugger all and couldn't care less about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2013, 01:51:34 PM

It's hard to see Lambert going for an established PL player, and all that comes with them, unless they would really be a difference maker to us and be worth it.

As mush as I like wee Shaun, I don't think he would be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:51:50 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 30, 2013, 01:30:48 PM

Where's the link come from vinnie, cannot see where he would fit in, just do not see it.

Got told about it earlier from a fellow Villa fan and see his name come
Up a lot of twatter.
Don't see it myself either due to age etc we really need Bannan and Bent and Given to sod off sharpish if we have any hope of any other incoming's

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on July 30, 2013, 01:55:18 PM

 

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Makes sense.

One short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player out, one short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player in.

I met him back in May before the Wigan game and I have changed my opinion of him. 

I don’t think it’s fair to compare him with Bannan as wee Shaun seems to be chronically shy to me. I asked him why he looked like he wasn’t enjoying it when he scored (I mentioned his brace at the Bridge) and he said that was just him and he doesn’t know why he doesn’t smile.

A nice guy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Lee - good luck mate. I know you're a highly talented and skilled bloke, but if you're looking for something to tide you over for a bit try Staffline agency and ask about Chep.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on July 30, 2013, 02:32:07 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2013, 12:37:32 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on July 30, 2013, 12:31:30 PM

From BBC Lancashire: "Blackburn manager Gary Bowyer says talks with Aston Villa's Barry Bannan have stopped, but a deal could be resurrected."

Oh dear, none of these players are moving willingly, are they. Probably hanging on in the hope of a PL club coming in for them later during the deadline scramble.

You can't blame them for holding out for the best deal. Plus no-one with any sense would move to Blackburn at the moment.

Yes indeed. I thought that when I first saw BB linked to that headless chickens club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 30, 2013, 02:47:45 PM

Quote from: warleyboy on July 30, 2013, 01:30:48 PM

Where's the link come from vinnie, cannot see where he would fit in, just do not see it.

He could fit in an attacking midfield role or in one of the wide forward roles.  The thing about bringing in an attacking midfielder is that we would have to change shape in midfield from the flat three we saw at the end of last season to two defensive midfielders and an attacking player in front of them.  I think the latter would leave us exposed out wide again which could cause us problems.  If Maloney came, I could only really see him being on the bench for the time being due to the formation and we would probably be better off getting in a younger player on less money if that is the case.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on July 30, 2013, 04:20:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Makes sense.

One short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player out, one short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player in.

To be fair I'd say Maloney has a lot more heart, and will always give his best. God loves a trier, and as far as I can remember from his time with us a few seasons back, this was one of his virtues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2013, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on July 30, 2013, 04:20:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Makes sense.

One short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player out, one short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player in.

To be fair I'd say Maloney has a lot more heart, and will always give his best. God loves a trier, and as far as I can remember from his time with us a few seasons back, this was one of his virtues.

Yes. Maloney has ability he just didn't have the right sort of manager to get it out of him. O Neill largely responded to the bigger characters. Some of the more quiet folk fell by the wayside. Plus the style of player Maloney is was never in a million years an MON type. Perhaps O Neill wanted to bring him in and turn him into a standard winger. I don't know. It just didn't work out.

I think Maloney would flourish in our set up. It would allow us to adapt too. We could switch to a 4-2-3-1 if necessary, or stick him in one of the front 3 in our current system and allow him some freedom.

He may be a good, reasonably priced stop gap for 2-3 years. Or like Merson, who came in his 30's, we might see the best of Maloney. He could be a game changer on the bench. Our set piece quality would improve vastly too. He also wouldn't be on massive wages.

That said I don't think it'll happen in a million years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 04:45:10 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Lee - good luck mate. I know you're a highly talented and skilled bloke, but if you're looking for something to tide you over for a bit try Staffline agency and ask about Chep.

Cheers Percy, and to everyone else wishing me the best, but I'm starting up with one of my colleagues, so can I say for the first and only time, come to Ikon Telecom for all your business telephony needs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 05:21:55 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 04:45:10 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Lee - good luck mate. I know you're a highly talented and skilled bloke, but if you're looking for something to tide you over for a bit try Staffline agency and ask about Chep.

Cheers Percy, and to everyone else wishing me the best, but I'm starting up with one of my colleagues, so can I say for the first and only time, come to Ikon Telecom for all your business telephony needs.

All the very best with it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on July 30, 2013, 05:22:34 PM

Exciting times. In five years time you will be deciding which private jet to take to the Seychelles

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on July 30, 2013, 05:24:03 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on July 30, 2013, 04:20:48 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2013, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 30, 2013, 01:21:38 PM

Being linked with Maloney coming back. Would you be keen for that? If he only cost £2m say then he could definately add something to our side. Plus we'd score free kicks again!

Makes sense.

One short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player out, one short-arsed miserable, mopey Scottish player in.

To be fair I'd say Maloney has a lot more heart, and will always give his best. God loves a trier, and as far as I can remember from his time with us a few seasons back, this was one of his virtues.

Not entirely sure, but wouldn't Lambert have played with Maloney at Celtic?  If that is the case, he would know all about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on July 30, 2013, 06:21:15 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 04:45:10 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Lee - good luck mate. I know you're a highly talented and skilled bloke, but if you're looking for something to tide you over for a bit try Staffline agency and ask about Chep.

Cheers Percy, and to everyone else wishing me the best, but I'm starting up with one of my colleagues, so can I say for the first and only time, come to Ikon Telecom for all your business telephony needs.

Glad to hear that...best of luck

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2013, 07:24:24 PM

Was it Man United away when Maloney played really well and then was dropped? Maloney was really a victim of O'Neill's ploy of playing the same 11 every week and if you weren't one of the lucky one's, tough.

I wouldn't expect him to be one Lambert would be after but there's a very good player in there, he should certainly be playing in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2013, 07:41:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 30, 2013, 07:24:24 PM

Was it Man United away when Maloney played really well and then was dropped?

MON called him a fuckin' eejit after this game and barely said two words to him again. Just as well, those two must have been cutting for sensitive Shaun.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 07:42:35 PM

It's not a goer that one, he's a decent player but he wont get any better and he's 30.

I'd be amazed  if it did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on July 30, 2013, 07:43:38 PM

I liked Maloney, but don't think we will be in for him now, as he doesn't meet the new criteria

I could never understand why MON bought him,
 he wasn't big, or a winger, he wasn't going to track back or get in any crunching tackles,
 he was a little playmaker, a bit of technical support bridging the gap between midfield and the forwards,
 I personally love that sort of player but MON didn't, he was everything MON didn't want in a player, so why did he bring him in not give him much of a chance and not play him very often

its a mystery

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2013, 07:51:59 PM

Much of our game was about defending for 80 minutes with 8-10 players behind the ball. Maloney was never going to be useful for more than 10 minutes per game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2013, 07:58:58 PM

Quote from: eamonn on July 30, 2013, 07:41:52 PM

Quote from: OCD on July 30, 2013, 07:24:24 PM

Was it Man United away when Maloney played really well and then was dropped?

MON called him a fuckin' eejit after this game and barely said two words to him again. Just as well, those two must have been cutting for sensitive Shaun.

I think he missed a good chance, maybe a one-on-one which prompted O'Neill's child-like response.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2013, 08:03:55 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 30, 2013, 07:42:35 PM

It's not a goer that one, he's a decent player but he wont get any better and he's 30.

I'd be amazed  if it did.

And he was only reasonable in a shite team that got relegated with only 35 points. Enough said.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2013, 08:57:42 PM

Quote from: john e on July 30, 2013, 07:43:38 PM

I liked Maloney, but don't think we will be in for him now, as he doesn't meet the new criteria

I could never understand why MON bought him,
 he wasn't big, or a winger, he wasn't going to track back or get in any crunching tackles,
 he was a little playmaker, a bit of technical support bridging the gap between midfield and the forwards,
 I personally love that sort of player but MON didn't, he was everything MON didn't want in a player, so why did he bring him in not give him much of a chance and not play him very often

its a mystery

He was a good squad player for us. I suppose MON used him as an alternative for Young (they signed at the same time) but because Young was so good and never injured he could never get in the team consistently.

Scored some good goals that won us points in 07/08 and he's certainly improved as a player at Wigan.

I never really warmed to him when he was here despite his good play as he never gave the impression he ever wanted to be here and there were rumours from pretty much the point he signed that he wanted to return to Celtic, he confirmed all this as soon as he left!

Wouldn't be my first choice for the attacking midfield role but I suppose if it comes to August 31st and we can't sign our top target, then him for 2m isn't the worst alternative.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2013, 09:34:47 PM

Remember him playing well at Chelsea as well I'm sure he scored 2 although one was a chech mistake

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2013, 09:45:53 PM

Yes and he was subbed at half time as Knight was sent off so we needed to get another defender on!

He also scored a last minute winner against Fulham and a late free kick at Sunderland that won us a point that season so certainly a squad player who won us a few points that season.

Surprised Martinez hasn't taken him to Everton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 30, 2013, 09:51:04 PM

That McManaman would be a better shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 30, 2013, 10:14:41 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 30, 2013, 09:51:04 PM

That McManaman would be a better shout.

Don't really see what all the fuss is about with that lad. I think he was last seasons James McLean, who was the season before's Albrighton. If you catch my drift.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on July 30, 2013, 10:28:46 PM

We should sign McManaman and Cattermole, so the weekly Delph first booking sweepstake pot can treble every game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Michel Sibble on July 30, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Blackpool have agree a fee for Nathan Delfouneso.

Bannan move to Blackburn has broken down (wages suspected the sticking point)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: wookster on July 31, 2013, 12:36:00 AM

Quote from: john e on July 30, 2013, 07:43:38 PM

I liked Maloney, but don't think we will be in for him now, as he doesn't meet the new criteria

I could never understand why MON bought him,
 he wasn't big, or a winger, he wasn't going to track back or get in any crunching tackles,
 he was a little playmaker, a bit of technical support bridging the gap between midfield and the forwards,
 I personally love that sort of player but MON didn't, he was everything MON didn't want in a player, so why did he bring him in not give him much of a chance and not play him very often

its a mystery

A lot of MONs decisisions were a mystery  ::)

Why did he buy Sidwell and only use him as a bench warmer?
Why did he buy Routledge?
Why did he buy Shorey?
The list goes on, and on and on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2013, 12:47:09 AM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 30, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Blackpool have agree a fee for Nathan Delfouneso.

Bannan move to Blackburn has broken down (wages suspected the sticking point)

Where did you see that Blackpool have agreed a fee for Fonz?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: preston28 on July 31, 2013, 07:00:55 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2013, 12:47:09 AM

Quote from: Michel Sibble on July 30, 2013, 10:38:31 PM

Blackpool have agree a fee for Nathan Delfouneso.

Bannan move to Blackburn has broken down (wages suspected the sticking point)

Where did you see that Blackpool have agreed a fee for Fonz?

A lot of twitter traffic about him coming to Blackpool & a lot of 'pool fans excited about it. Nothing in the local press though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 31, 2013, 08:19:14 AM

The Delfouneso twitter 'person' is a fake.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 31, 2013, 10:29:29 AM

Quote from: supertom on July 30, 2013, 10:14:41 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on July 30, 2013, 09:51:04 PM

That McManaman would be a better shout.

Don't really see what all the fuss is about with that lad. I think he was last seasons James McLean, who was the season before's Albrighton. If you catch my drift.

Completley agree

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 11:06:59 AM

And Henderson the year before that. Ironically a player who I think would fit well on the right of our 3 midfielders (think jimmy lite).

I actually think he's a good player, he just wasn't a £20m player when Liverpool signed and its impossible to develop into one without playing matches.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 11:11:54 AM

Thought they signed him for 18M and Downing for 20M.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

I noticed on Sky last night they put up the top five record British transfer fees and Milner wasn't on it, despite two fees being on there of 25 and 22 million quid.

It felt like they were laughing at Ireland's valuation. Strange, cos I was crying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2013, 11:29:56 AM

I see Mallorca are saying Hutton is increasing his personal demands which are preventing the move. Great.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 31, 2013, 11:32:36 AM

From the SkySports transfer ticker thingy:

Aston Villa winger Andras Stieber is training with Bundesliga 2 team Greuther Furth until Friday, according to reports in Hungarian newspaper Nemzeti Sport. The 21-year-old - who is contracted to Aston Villa - played a friendly game on Tuesday versus Genclerbirligi. Andras joined his brother Zoltan Stieber at Furth, where he moved from Aston Villa in 2009.
by Peter Fraser 9:58 AM

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2013, 11:35:36 AM

Greuther Furth is Henry Kissinger's team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on July 31, 2013, 12:18:00 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 11:11:54 AM

Thought they signed him for 18M and Downing for 20M.

Great business. For Sunderland and Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 12:21:02 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 31, 2013, 12:18:00 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 11:11:54 AM

Thought they signed him for 18M and Downing for 20M.

Great business. For Sunderland and Villa.

Not to mention Newcastle getting 35M for Carroll....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2013, 12:26:07 PM

The world's gone mad.......apparently Chelsea have slapped a £60M price tag on David Luiz's head! He's shite!....On that basis Benteke is worth at least £100M!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2013, 12:27:05 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2013, 11:29:56 AM

I see Mallorca are saying Hutton is increasing his personal demands which are preventing the move. Great.

So there's no money in Spain, and they've just been relegated, but he wants more money? For fucks sake. Is he not happy enough sunning himself in sunny Mallorca on well over a million a year as is?
His only other options are to see out his contract here or take a pay cut to play in the Championship. He can have rainy England on less money or enjoy a couple of years in Spain. Up to him. I think he'd be blowing an extremely good opportunity personally.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 31, 2013, 12:30:44 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on July 31, 2013, 12:18:00 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 11:11:54 AM

Thought they signed him for 18M and Downing for 20M.

Great business. For Sunderland and Villa.

Actually had a Liverpool fan at work try and justify these price tags with the argument that they got £50m for Torres and he wasn't worth that. The mind boggles.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 01:14:32 PM

Add the 7m for Adam and that's £80m for 4 players.  2 are already sold for £15.5m and £4m, Downing would get them ~£5m at the moment, given his age and performances in the last couple of years.  So £25m for those, even if they got lucky and got £15m for Henderson (which is well over his value but he's young enough to get a decent fee) they'd have halved their money in a little over 2 seasons.  However you try to justify it by mentioning Torres that's is an appalling transfer record.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2013, 01:33:57 PM

Their problem with Downing is like ours with the Bomb Squad - who the fuck is gonna give him a hundred grand a week apart from Liverpool?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on July 31, 2013, 01:39:02 PM

Hearing rumours about Rodwell coming to AV,sounds to good to be true,anyone else heard anything ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2013, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: supertom on July 31, 2013, 12:27:05 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2013, 11:29:56 AM

I see Mallorca are saying Hutton is increasing his personal demands which are preventing the move. Great.

So there's no money in Spain, and they've just been relegated, but he wants more money? For fucks sake. Is he not happy enough sunning himself in sunny Mallorca on well over a million a year as is?
His only other options are to see out his contract here or take a pay cut to play in the Championship. He can have rainy England on less money or enjoy a couple of years in Spain. Up to him. I think he'd be blowing an extremely good opportunity personally.

I very much doubt Mallorca are offering him even close to a million a year. Probably about 250k.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: spk on July 31, 2013, 01:39:02 PM

Hearing rumours about Rodwell coming to AV,sounds to good to be true,anyone else heard anything ?

Hope not, he's always injured, was cack at Villa Park this year and probably on a fortune in wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on July 31, 2013, 01:44:33 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 01:14:32 PM

Add the 7m for Adam and that's £80m for 4 players.  2 are already sold for £15.5m and £4m, Downing would get them ~£5m at the moment, given his age and performances in the last couple of years.  So £25m for those, even if they got lucky and got £15m for Henderson (which is well over his value but he's young enough to get a decent fee) they'd have halved their money in a little over 2 seasons.  However you try to justify it by mentioning Torres that's is an appalling transfer record.

It wasn't me that tried to justify it by mentioning Torres by the way - it was a Liverpool supporting mate that did. Just thought i'd clear that up ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fasth56 on July 31, 2013, 01:45:04 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 01:14:32 PM

Add the 7m for Adam and that's £80m for 4 players.  2 are already sold for £15.5m and £4m, Downing would get them ~£5m at the moment, given his age and performances in the last couple of years.  So £25m for those, even if they got lucky and got £15m for Henderson (which is well over his value but he's young enough to get a decent fee) they'd have halved their money in a little over 2 seasons.  However you try to justify it by mentioning Torres that's is an appalling transfer record.

Add on the £20 m for Aquilani the season before, joined Fiorentina for an undisclosed fee, lost more cash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on July 31, 2013, 01:48:26 PM

Seeing how Liverpool have wasted money makes me feel a little better about our activities.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on July 31, 2013, 01:58:23 PM

Like someone said earlier, Maloney on deadline day for 2m as a stop gap wouldn't be a disaster, although it wouldn't be great either; particularly as I thought we played better last season with a stronger midfield 3 rather than a double pivot and No. 10 in a 4-2-3-1. Hopefully though with Westy and Delph/Sylla getting more experienced we could be more comfortable with moving to that system... but if not Maloney, who would we be looking to bring in as that playmaker in the middle of Gabby/Weimann/Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2013, 01:58:50 PM

Never understand the fuss with Rodwell. He's one of a slew of younger English footballers over the last few years who's apparently the "next Gerrard" only he's not actually that good. His attributes are average, he doesn't score goals. Really don't get him. I cannot distinguish him from Henderson. Both had huge fees from doing little more than okay at their previous clubs. It's just how barmy the transfer business is regarding English premier league talent. Milners much better than both of them, but he's nowhere near a 26 million pound player either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2013, 02:00:38 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 31, 2013, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: spk on July 31, 2013, 01:39:02 PM

Hearing rumours about Rodwell coming to AV,sounds to good to be true,anyone else heard anything ?

Hope not, he's always injured, was cack at Villa Park this year and probably on a fortune in wages.

Yeah, Man City were crap at VP til he went off injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on July 31, 2013, 02:24:51 PM

I like Rodwell as a player, but we'd only be loaning him I reckon and that would mean developing a Man City kid ahead of the likes of Westwood or Sylla.  Makes no sense to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on July 31, 2013, 02:27:41 PM

I think Rodwell is pretty good, he's comfortable on the ball and has plenty of energy as a box-to-box player, but as Concrete John says, I don't think a loan would be much use, really. If we were buying him, though, I'd say it'd be a good bit of business.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 02:35:52 PM

I think - in theory - he'd be a good fit along side Delph and Westwood.
I say in theory as I have only seen him play a hand full of games.  If the price reflected his injury record then I'd take a punt as him missing games would allow Sylla and Bacuna to play some games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on July 31, 2013, 02:51:15 PM

Good player, can also play centre half.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

I don't like the idea of loans unless you set a fee to make it permanent upfront.  I also don't think Rodwell is what we need.

Also a lot of people have mentioned we were better playing a flat 3 but we didn't, we played 2 and 1 in front, with Delph and Sylla exchanging the forward role, Sylla being the more regular occupant.  Defensively his job was to close down the ball and not give the opposition 'deep lying playmaker' the room to dictate play.  A player more suited to the role in an attacking sense but who is still willing to put in the leg work defensively is what we need.

The only young English option who fits the bill is Will Hughes - Youtube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbL2qy8m6E), who is a far better player than Henderson or Rodwell were before their moves, he wouldn't be cheap (£12-15m from what I've seen on the internet) but he's a special talent and whoever takes the risk on him will have a great player on their hands.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on July 31, 2013, 03:07:37 PM

the last "high risk injury" player we loaned was jenas.  That didnt work out well.  Pretty confident on betting that Rodwell doesnt arrive

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 03:11:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

The only young English option who fits the bill is Will Hughes - Youtube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbL2qy8m6E), who is a far better player than Henderson or Rodwell were before their moves, he wouldn't be cheap (£12-15m from what I've seen on the internet) but he's a special talent and whoever takes the risk on him will have a great player on their hands.

We should offer Hutton, Bannan and the Fonz plus a season long loan of Donacien.  I could see us continuing to pay the wages of the bomb squad members but if the fee dropped to say £7m it could be worth it for all parties. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 06:21:03 PM

I would be delighted with Rodwell but has has been said, not on loan. His injury record is a concern but I doubt there's anything to this anyway. All things being equal though, definitely the sort of player for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:32:33 PM

I don't see why Man City would sell for a price that we'd look to pay, considering they bought him for £15m less than a year ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 06:48:37 PM

Maybe, but they can afford to write off pretty much anything if a player isn't in this years manager's plans.
Besides, Villa could pay a decent fee or him. Not £15m maybe but significant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2013, 06:52:12 PM

Just been to Torquay / Dartmouth for ten days . So had quick look at the football gossip in the papers.

This I enjoyed.

Joe Kinnear is determined to make Newcastle a Champions League club.

Joe Kinnear has made a move to bring unwanted Sunderland defender Phil Bardsley to Newcastle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

I don't see the point.

He's no better, in fact he's not as good as the three who finished last season for us.

What we need is a German.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 08:24:29 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

Agreed.  Such players use up people's time, either coaching or merely admin.  They're also likely to bring the mood down within the club.  And whilst it's yet to be tested clubs still need to try and adhere to the financial fair play rules.

With regards to the loan v buy issue - surely we're better loaning him on the basis that a fee is agreed.
If he is made of [something that breaks easily] then we're not burdened by a 4 year contract. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 09:19:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

I don't see the point.

He's no better, in fact he's not as good as the three who finished last season for us.

What we need is a German.

Well, I wonder how his lack of playing time as left him but a couple of seasons ago he was a very promising player indeed.

Not opposed to getting a German in. Our scout seems to be going from nation to nation, recruiting one from each like Hawk the Slayer.
"Old woman, who next?"
"Seek the one they call the German. You must journey through the Black Forest...etc."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JJ-AV on July 31, 2013, 09:25:16 PM

Ross Turnbull has signed for Doncaster. Guess Given isn't going there then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2013, 10:13:02 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 03:11:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

The only young English option who fits the bill is Will Hughes - Youtube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbL2qy8m6E), who is a far better player than Henderson or Rodwell were before their moves, he wouldn't be cheap (£12-15m from what I've seen on the internet) but he's a special talent and whoever takes the risk on him will have a great player on their hands.

We should offer Hutton, Bannan and the Fonz plus a season long loan of Donacien.  I could see us continuing to pay the wages of the bomb squad members but if the fee dropped to say £7m it could be worth it for all parties. 

Will Hughes is very good - why is no one else in the hunt for him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 10:21:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 09:19:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

I don't see the point.

He's no better, in fact he's not as good as the three who finished last season for us.

What we need is a German.

Well, I wonder how his lack of playing time as left him but a couple of seasons ago he was a very promising player indeed.

Not opposed to getting a German in. Our scout seems to be going from nation to nation, recruiting one from each like Hawk the Slayer.
"Old woman, who next?"
"Seek the one they call the German. You must journey through the Black Forest...etc."

"Go beyond the forest seeker, and look for the one called Goretzka at Bochum, if Championship Manager is anything to go by"

"He's just gone to Schalke"

"Bollocks"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 31, 2013, 11:30:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 10:21:07 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 09:19:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on July 31, 2013, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on July 31, 2013, 07:06:29 PM

Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2013, 06:52:27 PM

They can, but I don't see why they would.

If this is to my comment, because if he's not going to figure, they may as well get him out and get something for him. Exactly the situation we're in with the so called bomb squad.

I don't see the point.

He's no better, in fact he's not as good as the three who finished last season for us.

What we need is a German.

Well, I wonder how his lack of playing time as left him but a couple of seasons ago he was a very promising player indeed.

Not opposed to getting a German in. Our scout seems to be going from nation to nation, recruiting one from each like Hawk the Slayer.
"Old woman, who next?"
"Seek the one they call the German. You must journey through the Black Forest...etc."

"Go beyond the forest seeker, and look for the one called Goretzka at Bochum, if Championship Manager is anything to go by"

"He's just gone to Schalke"

"Bollocks"

Lulz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 02:07:15 AM

Wud defo be a canned laughter response alrite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2013, 02:24:54 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 02:07:15 AM

Wud defo be a canned laughter response alrite.

Is that what 'lulz' means? I didn't mean it like that, I thought it was funny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 01, 2013, 09:07:06 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on July 31, 2013, 09:25:16 PM

Ross Turnbull has signed for Doncaster. Guess Given isn't going there then.

Turnbull may just be the worst keeper I've ever seen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 01, 2013, 09:07:06 AM

Quote from: JJ-AV on July 31, 2013, 09:25:16 PM

Ross Turnbull has signed for Doncaster. Guess Given isn't going there then.

Turnbull may just be the worst keeper I've ever seen.

I think Donny only have Sullivan and a youngster on their books in goal. They may be looking to sign 2 keepers and then let Sully go. It does appear that the Given deal is off though, but who knows, it may still happen.

I do think he's still got it in him to play in the top flight though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 10:47:33 AM

Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2013, 10:13:02 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2013, 03:11:49 PM

Quote from: paul_e on July 31, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

The only young English option who fits the bill is Will Hughes - Youtube vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDbL2qy8m6E), who is a far better player than Henderson or Rodwell were before their moves, he wouldn't be cheap (£12-15m from what I've seen on the internet) but he's a special talent and whoever takes the risk on him will have a great player on their hands.

We should offer Hutton, Bannan and the Fonz plus a season long loan of Donacien.  I could see us continuing to pay the wages of the bomb squad members but if the fee dropped to say £7m it could be worth it for all parties. 

Will Hughes is very good - why is no one else in the hunt for him?

Jo Jo Shelvey is also up there and Swansea did some amazing business to bring him in. Watch him tonight in action against Malmo. The deal was that good a coup and is head and shoulders the best young english midfieldler signing made this window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2013, 10:53:13 AM

I don't see the fuss with Shelvey.

As some wit on here once said, he plays like he's forgotten to take his boots out of the box.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Never heard of Jo Jo Shelvey. I thought for a moment you meant John Jo Shelvey but he's utter shit so this must be some player I've never heard of? Who have Swansea signed him from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 10:57:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Never heard of Jo Jo Shelvey. I thought for a moment you meant John Jo Shelvey

I actually thought he meant Jonjo Shelvey, Richard

*blows smoke from end of imaginary pistols of pedantry*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 10:57:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Never heard of Jo Jo Shelvey. I thought for a moment you meant John Jo Shelvey

I actually thought he meant Jonjo Shelvey, Richard

*blows smoke from end of imaginary pistols of pedantry*

Hoisted by my own petard Paulie! That's the one and he's still shit regardless...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:02:52 AM

Well you need to put on goggle glasses like he does that celebration .. He takes awesome free kicks tackles and creates also has a great shot. For me hes on plane to Brazil Woy Hodgson backs him as he signed him he knows quality. Has wealth of european experience and has learnt with Gerrard how to master midfield. At 21 theres no better english midfield player. Just remember 21 !! and what hes acheived experience wise Swansea excellent passing team this kid can only get better

Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2013, 10:53:13 AM

I don't see the fuss with Shelvey.

As some wit on here once said, he plays like he's forgotten to take his boots out of the box.

If youre talking about fuss tom cleverly....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:03:38 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 10:57:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Never heard of Jo Jo Shelvey. I thought for a moment you meant John Jo Shelvey

I actually thought he meant Jonjo Shelvey, Richard

*blows smoke from end of imaginary pistols of pedantry*

Hoisted by my own petard Paulie! That's the one and he's still shit regardless...

The question is, who is worse: Shelvey or Altidore?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:05:36 AM

Can you dare to risk naming a couple of players to watch out for this season.. that people arent so oh yeah hes awesome. but obvious.. no didnt think so .. im indvidual opinion must hurt so bad for you not to have an idea on any players and try and hit me haha your last post was poor show or true show on your self. I ll do my best to not make fun of you and your posts better still i ll try to stay inetrested in your wildly unimaginative texts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on August 01, 2013, 11:06:43 AM

If I had a quid for everytime I heard the name Altidore on here this close season....

Granted, most of its been from the chap who doesnt use punctuation and plays too much championship manager....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:12:38 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:05:36 AM

Can you dare to risk naming a couple of players to watch out for this season.. that people arent so oh yeah hes awesome. but obvious.. no didnt think so .. im indvidual opinion must hurt so bad for you not to have an idea on any players and try and hit me haha your last post was poor show or true show on your self. I ll do my best to not make fun of you and your posts better still i ll try to stay inetrested in your wildly unimaginative texts.

I'll name you three young players better than Shelvey for a start sir:
Westwood.
Delph.
Sylla.

Liverpool aren't coming up with as much quality youth as they used to. It's part of the reason why they're not locked into the top 4 any more, in addition to the fact they've spent recklessly.

Sterling isn't bad. He's a much better prospect than Shelvey...not that I'm saying he's one to watch out for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:14:47 AM

And I'd agree with VK on Tom Cleverley. Really don't see the fuss with him. He's not Utd quality by any stretch. He's pretty decent, but I don't see him being a regular in a side chasing titles at home and in Europe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2013, 11:16:33 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 01, 2013, 09:48:37 AM

I do think he's still got it in him to play in the top flight though.

I can't see anywhere where he would be first choice, so he'd just be swapping our reserves for someone else's bench.

Maybe he's a bit better than McGregor at Hull or Boruc at Southampton but most teams have better keepers already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 11:16:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

Exactly. On the plane to Brazil with what will quite probably be the worst England squad to leave these shores. And that's assuming we even qualify. I can only drool over a midfield of Henderson, Shelvey and Cleverley

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:20:12 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

Yep the fact that we're discussing young English "talent" like Shelvey, Cleverley, previously Spearing, Rodwell (pick of the bunch), Henderson and more doesn't bode well for the national team. Particularly if you look back ten, fifteen years at the sort of midfielders we had available. (Likewise every other position).

Our Youth team and reserves keep on winning things so in comparison to most other clubs we've got good pickings of domestic talent. I hope we develop them right for the sake of our side and the national sides. Ireland particularly could really benefit from our youngsters at the minute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:22:01 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2013, 11:16:33 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 01, 2013, 09:48:37 AM

I do think he's still got it in him to play in the top flight though.

I can't see anywhere where he would be first choice, so he'd just be swapping our reserves for someone else's bench.

Maybe he's a bit better than McGregor at Hull or Boruc at Southampton but most teams have better keepers already.

Possibly. The gooners could actually do a lot worse than Given. I'm surprised they didn't finally take Schwarzer for a year. I don't rate any of their stoppers at all.

I'd certainly fancy Shay to have better options than Donny in any case.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 11:16:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

Exactly. On the plane to Brazil with what will quite probably be the worst England squad to leave these shores. And that's assuming we even qualify. I can only drool over a midfield of Henderson, Shelvey and Cleverley

The only people on that plane I'd feel confident of doing their job will be the pilot and cabin crew.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2013, 11:26:23 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Shelvey is unquestionably useless. IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on August 01, 2013, 11:28:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

We're assuming here that there is going to be a plane full of English footballers going to Brazil....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: Miguelito on August 01, 2013, 11:28:42 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

I think you've communicated that pretty clearly. Somehow.

I do find it a bit funny that "on the plane to Brazil" with England is some kind of mark of quality, though, when you look at some of the other mediocre dross that'll be on that plane.

We're assuming here that there is going to be a plane full of English footballers going to Brazil....

Very good point indeed!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 01, 2013, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2013, 11:26:23 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Shelvey is unquestionably useless. IMO.

And mine

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2013, 11:42:24 AM

According to our 'players in and out ' list on SSN we got 2.6m quid for Makoun. Result if true.

Sorry, my pound sign is not available.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on August 01, 2013, 11:54:51 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 01, 2013, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2013, 11:26:23 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Shelvey is unquestionably useless. IMO.

And mine

Thirded, he looks as if he hasn't taken his boots from the box they came in.  Can't see him adding anything to Swansea, surprised they bought him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 01, 2013, 12:03:57 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 01, 2013, 11:03:38 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2013, 10:57:29 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 01, 2013, 10:55:59 AM

Never heard of Jo Jo Shelvey. I thought for a moment you meant John Jo Shelvey

I actually thought he meant Jonjo Shelvey, Richard

*blows smoke from end of imaginary pistols of pedantry*

Hoisted by my own petard Paulie! That's the one and he's still shit regardless...

The question is, who is worse: Shelvey or Altidore?

VK isn’t on his own with his love for Altidore, there’s an American correspondent on the BBC World Football Phone In who reckons that if he played the majority of league and cup games he’d get between 15-20 goals this coming season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2013, 12:13:50 PM

Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 01, 2013, 12:03:57 PM

VK isn’t on his own with his love for Altidore, there’s an American correspondent on the BBC World Football Phone In who reckons that if he played the majority of league and cup games he’d get between 15-20 goals this coming season.

Is it a bloke called Ryu by any chance?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 12:53:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Are you still banging on about bollocks like Shelvey and Altidore? Thank fuck you don't Lambert's ear. Shelvey going £5m or whatever it was and the likes of Caulker to Cardiff for £8m is tells you precisely what is wrong with English football, and more specifically English players. A dearth of massively, massively overrated players that will continue our proud tradition to flatter to deceive on the world stage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on August 01, 2013, 01:03:01 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 12:53:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Are you still banging on about bollocks like Shelvey and Altidore? Thank fuck you don't Lambert's ear. Shelvey going £5m or whatever it was and the likes of Caulker to Cardiff for £8m is tells you precisely what is wrong with English football, and more specifically English players. A dearth of massively, massively overrated players that will continue our proud tradition to flatter to deceive on the world stage.

Caulker would have been an excellent addition to our team, £8m i think is about right too be fair. As for Shelvey / Altidore, i don't agree with VK but i suppose everyone's entitled to their opinion. Who knows Altidore might have improved whilst he's been away and Shelvey has shown little glimpses of being a good player, so he could end up being right.... funnier things have happened, who would have thought Heskey would rip Germany apart in their own back yard? ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Merv on August 01, 2013, 01:21:37 PM

I think Caulker's pretty good, TBH. Good signing for Cardiff.

Shelvey's ok. Not bad going forward. But he gives the ball away way too often and it'll be interesting to see how he gets on now he's stepped up to Swansea. Wonder whether Laudrup can get that sloppiness in possession out of him. Rodgers couldn't, and that's his strong point as a coach.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 01, 2013, 01:40:03 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2013, 11:42:24 AM

According to our 'players in and out ' list on SSN we got 2.6m quid for Makoun. Result if true.

Sorry, my pound sign is not available.

£2.6m for that dross. Maybe O'Neill, Houllier and TSM are playing Top Trumps in terms of reduced sell on value.

Altidore may have  been worth a punt - what did he go for?

Shelvey / Caulker (looks like a decent prospect) but no way at all for those prices.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on August 01, 2013, 01:47:56 PM

Sorry to carry on Paulie's pedantry, but dearth means 'lack of'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 02:01:10 PM

Quote from: Miguelito on August 01, 2013, 01:03:01 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 12:53:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 01, 2013, 11:09:35 AM

Anyway point is Shelvey would have been a nice signing for Villa IMO

Are you still banging on about bollocks like Shelvey and Altidore? Thank fuck you don't Lambert's ear. Shelvey going £5m or whatever it was and the likes of Caulker to Cardiff for £8m is tells you precisely what is wrong with English football, and more specifically English players. A dearth of massively, massively overrated players that will continue our proud tradition to flatter to deceive on the world stage.

Caulker would have been an excellent addition to our team, £8m i think is about right too be fair. As for Shelvey / Altidore, i don't agree with VK but i suppose everyone's entitled to their opinion. Who knows Altidore might have improved whilst he's been away and Shelvey has shown little glimpses of being a good player, so he could end up being right.... funnier things have happened, who would have thought Heskey would rip Germany apart in their own back yard? ;)

Caulker £8m - you're having a laugh. Not saying he's not a good player but with under 20 games for Tottenham (many as a sub or in cup games, not starting in the PL) how in the hell does that equate to him being worth that much?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 01, 2013, 02:06:12 PM

Caulker did do well for Swansea the season before last on loan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on August 01, 2013, 02:21:42 PM

Over the last two seasons at Spurs and Swansea he has proven that he is excellent on the ball, solid defender, good in the air and can pop up with a goal. He's also shown he can be a leader in his time with U21's. Also only 21 and with a couple of years development at Cardiff i'd be surprised if he's not an England regular and moving on to a top team like Cahill did.

You just have to see the response of the Spurs fans as an indication of what a good player he's been for them last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2013, 02:32:40 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 01, 2013, 02:06:12 PM

Caulker did do well for Swansea the season before last on loan

To be honest I think that is the main difference between him and Clark/Baker.  After another season, they'll hopefully be as good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2013, 02:49:19 PM

I've seen nothing of Shelvey to suggest he'll ever be a regular in a decent premier league team.

Hughes has the potential to be one of the top midfielders in europe in my opinion, he's got exceptional technique, balance and vision, is very strong (for a guy who's 18), has a burst of pace, has a decent shot on him and has a great engine.  He can be a bit 1 footed at times but as mentioned he's still very young and has improved hugely over the last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 01, 2013, 02:50:17 PM

Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 01, 2013, 12:03:57 PM

VK isn’t on his own with his love for Altidore, there’s an American correspondent on the BBC World Football Phone In who reckons that if he played the majority of league and cup games he’d get between 15-20 goals this coming season.

The next week, they had a guy on who had seen a lot of him in the Eredivise who reckoned he'd be unlikely to see double figures and that Fletcher was far, far better.

Shelvey is utterly shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 03:36:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

precisely. Prospect Jores Okore at £4m or Caulker at twice the price? I'm glad we looked abroad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2013, 04:01:43 PM

Darren Bent  does not fancy playing for Newcastle after speaking to Kinnear. No suprise there

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 04:20:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2013, 04:01:43 PM

Darren Bent  does not fancy playing for Newcastle after speaking to Kinnear. No suprise there

He probably got fed up of being called Marcus over and over again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2013, 04:23:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 03:36:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

precisely. Prospect Jores Okore at £4m or Caulker at twice the price? I'm glad we looked abroad

Well, actually if you brought both together in one team you might have a really good CB partnership for £12m. Albeit a little expensively.

You have to grudgingly admire Spurrrrrrrrs' ability to sell players high - Hutton, JJ (loan) and Caulker have all brought in top dollar for them. And looks like Bale may do the same.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 05:18:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 01, 2013, 04:23:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 03:36:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

precisely. Prospect Jores Okore at £4m or Caulker at twice the price? I'm glad we looked abroad

Well, actually if you brought both together in one team you might have a really good CB partnership for £12m. Albeit a little expensively.

You have to grudgingly admire Spurrrrrrrrs' ability to sell players high - Hutton, JJ (loan) and Caulker have all brought in top dollar for them. And looks like Bale may do the same.

the transfer market geniuses paid a combined £16m for Hutton and Jenas

Edit: and they have now agreed to pay £26m for Soldado who isn't a regular in the Spanish national side, is 28 and has never played in the PL instead of pulling the trigger (thankfully) on Benteke. Much younger, has a solid PL record in his first season and the starting CF for Belgium. Now we might have been asking for £35m but it's not like they are getting Soldado on the cheap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 01, 2013, 05:54:24 PM

a lot of tottenham's ability to sell players comes from the press over exaggerating their ability.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mrastonvilla on August 01, 2013, 06:17:00 PM

Dont forget the transfer genius of signing David Bentley for £15M on a six year contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 01, 2013, 06:18:14 PM

And I remember there being hell on here about us missing out on him and ending up with a certain James Milner for less coin.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 01, 2013, 06:36:35 PM

I was a fan of getting Bentley, I'll hold my hands up.
I still maintain he a was fabulously talented player but never got over himself.
For whatever reason, going to Spurs finished him.

He also chose blues instead of seppuku. What a fool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 06:45:03 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 01, 2013, 06:36:35 PM

I was a fan of getting Bentley, I'll hold my hands up.
I still maintain he a was fabulously talented player but never got over himself.
For whatever reason, going to Spurs finished him.

He also chose blues instead of seppuku. What a fool.

he maxed out when he did that youtube thing kicking ball into a skip from a rooftop. He's been shit ever since. I'm guessing like Bendtner he just can't stop looking at himself in the mirror and his career just passed him by. I was a fan of his too. Brilliant at times at Blackburn. Like the story of many talented players who get way ahead of themselves, believe all of the hype and just fizzle out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on August 01, 2013, 06:58:35 PM

Quote from: mrastonvilla on August 01, 2013, 06:17:00 PM

Dont forget the transfer genius of signing David Bentley for £15M on a six year contract.

He's apparently negotiating a contract with Levski Sofia, which seeing as they have already been knocked out of the Europa League in the first qualifying round by FC Irtysh Pavlodar of Kazakhstan, is a bit of a come-down for a 28 year old former England international free agent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2013, 07:10:57 PM

Former England international at 28 says it all. Very lee hendrie esque career.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 01, 2013, 07:19:22 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

It reminds me of another good prospect for £9 mill, Curtis Davies :/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 01, 2013, 07:40:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2013, 07:10:57 PM

Former England international at 28 says it all. Very lee hendrie esque career.

Christ I'd, A- completely forgotten about him, and, B- figured he was older.

Seriously, what has Bentley done in the last 6 years? Two good seasons at Blackburn after never getting a break at Arsenal. That's all I can remember of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2013, 07:59:05 PM

I think Bentley's career might have gone very differently if he had joined us. He was a quality player at Blackburn. That said this all sounds very familiar i.e. a talented player who has one great season but their poor mentality ruins their career and they go into a tailspin leading to oblivion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 08:21:22 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2013, 02:24:54 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 02:07:15 AM

Wud defo be a canned laughter response alrite.

Is that what 'lulz' means? I didn't mean it like that, I thought it was funny.

Yeah, I meant the laughter track on a sitcom. LeeB, writer of the next series of Missus Browns Boyos.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2013, 08:22:28 PM

I'm amazed that Stoke aren't in for Bentley, considering it was under Hughes that he looked like such a great player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 01, 2013, 08:29:18 PM

Quote from: FatSam on August 01, 2013, 06:58:35 PM

Quote from: mrastonvilla on August 01, 2013, 06:17:00 PM

Dont forget the transfer genius of signing David Bentley for £15M on a six year contract.

He's apparently negotiating a contract with Levski Sofia, which seeing as they have already been knocked out of the Europa League in the first qualifying round by FC Irtysh Pavlodar of Kazakhstan, is a bit of a come-down for a 28 year old former England international free agent.

People are talking as if his career is at it's nadir. They must be forgetting where he plied his trade on loan for a while a few years ago. Being unemployed is a step up from that surely?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 01, 2013, 08:42:53 PM

Football have too many one outstanding season players and then they can't do it again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 08:48:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2013, 08:22:28 PM

I'm amazed that Stoke aren't in for Bentley, considering it was under Hughes that he looked like such a great player.

him and Ireland. With both you have to think that quite prematurely the fire has gone completely. Both players are minted, neither seem bothered whether they actually play again at a high level. Because if they were, they would be plying their trade somewhere better than our U21 squad or looking for a gig in Bulgaria.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2013, 09:07:49 PM

Yeah I think he'd have done well in a MON team where graft was needed just as much as creativity from the wide men. Don't think going back to London was the smartest move for him.

In other news that Popov bloke who we were strongly linked with when Tonev signed just scored for some unprounciable Russian team at Motherwell. Wonder if he'll be a last minute signing for us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 01, 2013, 09:17:07 PM

I think Shelvey will do alright at Swansea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2013, 09:41:29 PM

So do I.

He just reminds me of Stephen Ireland too much for me to seriously contemplate us signing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 01, 2013, 09:55:23 PM

How Spurs fly in their record signing... :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQm9wctCQAA-wI6.jpg

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 10:25:41 PM

Madrid to Luton, knowing Daniel.
"Yeah, 'e's a 'triffic lad, Sole-da-do. Daniel's flown 'im in to Loo'in. I'm just drivin' up vere now to collect 'im."
Er, Harry?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 01, 2013, 10:26:44 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 10:25:41 PM

Madrid to Luton, knowing Daniel.
"Yeah, 'e's a 'triffic lad, Sole-da-do. Daniel's flown 'im in to Loo'in. I'm just drivin' up vere now to collect 'im."
Er, Harry?

poor harry

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2013, 10:36:31 PM

I'll honestyl be quite sad the day he dies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 01, 2013, 10:40:18 PM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 01, 2013, 09:55:23 PM

How Spurs fly in their record signing... :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQm9wctCQAA-wI6.jpg

With one of the guys from Tron?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2013, 08:10:49 AM

Its a lot of money for a 28 year old.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 08:38:24 AM

80 mil Ronaldo for a 28 year old is cheap if bale is  going for more. Great move by man united

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 09:02:24 AM

Charlie Austin signs for qpr

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2013, 09:34:28 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 09:02:24 AM

Charlie Austin signs for qpr

These have nothing at all to do with Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2013, 09:39:12 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 05:18:08 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 01, 2013, 04:23:21 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 03:36:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 01, 2013, 03:22:01 PM

Caulker looks a very good prospect to me. £8 mill though, Jesus H.

precisely. Prospect Jores Okore at £4m or Caulker at twice the price? I'm glad we looked abroad

Well, actually if you brought both together in one team you might have a really good CB partnership for £12m. Albeit a little expensively.

You have to grudgingly admire Spurrrrrrrrs' ability to sell players high - Hutton, JJ (loan) and Caulker have all brought in top dollar for them. And looks like Bale may do the same.

the transfer market geniuses paid a combined £16m for Hutton and Jenas

Edit: and they have now agreed to pay £26m for Soldado who isn't a regular in the Spanish national side, is 28 and has never played in the PL instead of pulling the trigger (thankfully) on Benteke. Much younger, has a solid PL record in his first season and the starting CF for Belgium. Now we might have been asking for £35m but it's not like they are getting Soldado on the cheap.

Agreed, their purchasing is as hit n'miss as any other team (Liverpool, Villa under MON, etc) but their disposals do seem to attract good fees.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2013, 09:39:40 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 08:38:24 AM

80 mil Ronaldo for a 28 year old is cheap if bale is  going for more. Great move by man united

Is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mark H on August 02, 2013, 09:43:35 AM

The ex president of Real was on Talkshite the other day say that Ronaldo had asked them for €20m per year NET !!! Now he is a very good player and sells shirts and tickets and all that but my god if that's the new wage level football really is going to hell in a hand cart

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 02, 2013, 09:59:20 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

The problem is that the "Other Clubs Transfers" thread was moved out of the main section.

IMO it should have stayed in here until the end of the Window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on August 02, 2013, 09:59:56 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2013, 08:48:42 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 01, 2013, 08:22:28 PM

I'm amazed that Stoke aren't in for Bentley, considering it was under Hughes that he looked like such a great player.

him and Ireland. With both you have to think that quite prematurely the fire has gone completely. Both players are minted, neither seem bothered whether they actually play again at a high level. Because if they were, they would be plying their trade somewhere better than our U21 squad or looking for a gig in Bulgaria.

Players that have a little bit of skill can make a lot of money without bothering to achieve anything in their career. Those TV has mentioned plus people like Jay Bothroyd. A bloke who I know supports Wolves. He told me this story about the time he met Bothroyd briefly when he played for them. He said 'your style of play sometimes looks as if you are not trying for the ninety minutes'. Bothroyd just pointed at his huge car shrugged his shoulders and walked off without saying a thing.

That bloke played for England!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on August 02, 2013, 10:12:58 AM

If every club did what Villa are doing, ie look properly for reasonably priced young talent abroad, Jay Bothroyd would have to work a bit harder to have a big shiny car. And we'd all be better off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on August 02, 2013, 10:17:23 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 02, 2013, 09:59:20 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

The problem is that the "Other Clubs Transfers" thread was moved out of the main section.

IMO it should have stayed in here until the end of the Window.

I made exactly the same point to Dave the other day and agree

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2013, 11:17:43 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 02, 2013, 09:59:20 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

The problem is that the "Other Clubs Transfers" thread was moved out of the main section.

IMO it should have stayed in here until the end of the Window.

It's not that complicated. This thread says 'Villa transfers', so it is for talking about Villa transfers.

We have an 'Other Football' forum where we talk about other football. That is where the thread on 'Other Club's Transfers' goes because it's about other football.

Personally I'd have the Other Games thread in there as well, but there you go.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:20:59 AM

We had been linked with Austen earlier in the window so it can be ever so slightly related to us. I for one will breath a sigh of relief knowing we're not signing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 02, 2013, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:20:59 AM

We had been linked with Austen earlier in the window so it can be ever so slightly related to us. I for one will breath a sigh of relief knowing we're not signing him.

hows he pass his medical ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:22:45 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 02, 2013, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:20:59 AM

We had been linked with Austen earlier in the window so it can be ever so slightly related to us. I for one will breath a sigh of relief knowing we're not signing him.

hows he pass his medical ?

Maybe they forgot to do a drugs test.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 02, 2013, 11:33:14 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:22:45 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 02, 2013, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2013, 11:20:59 AM

We had been linked with Austen earlier in the window so it can be ever so slightly related to us. I for one will breath a sigh of relief knowing we're not signing him.

hows he pass his medical ?

Maybe they forgot to do a drugs test.

ouch

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2013, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 02, 2013, 09:59:20 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

The problem is that the "Other Clubs Transfers" thread was moved out of the main section.

IMO it should have stayed in here until the end of the Window.

Is there a campaign we can sign up to? Bring it back in here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2013, 09:34:28 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 09:02:24 AM

Charlie Austin signs for qpr

These have nothing at all to do with Villa.

Villa are doing nothing at the moment so hardly surprising people are meandering to other transfers in here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2013, 12:23:24 PM

does it really matter if the thread has non-villa transfer talk in it?  Other threads have been derailed for pages by subjects completely unrelated to the thread, it's not really harming the conversation to have the odd transfer snippet in here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 12:27:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2013, 12:23:24 PM

does it really matter if the thread has non-villa transfer talk in it?  Other threads have been derailed for pages by subjects completely unrelated to the thread, it's not really harming the conversation to have the odd transfer snippet in here.

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but what's the point of having two threads if you're going to use one for both just to keep it ticking over?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2013, 12:33:11 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 12:27:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2013, 12:23:24 PM

does it really matter if the thread has non-villa transfer talk in it?  Other threads have been derailed for pages by subjects completely unrelated to the thread, it's not really harming the conversation to have the odd transfer snippet in here.

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but what's the point of having two threads if you're going to use one for both just to keep it ticking over?

I don't disagree, but given we have so many cross over threads (there were 3 faulkner threads on the first page a week or so ago) I just find it odd that people are upset about this one.  Particularly given that when anything meaningful happens the players gets their own thread anyway.  I get that someone people might only come on occasionally and want this thread to be a concise summary of current rumours but that's almost impossible in an open thread.

It only needs 1 post from VK to get a couple of pages debate about Jonjo Shelvey, for example.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 02, 2013, 12:34:43 PM

Isnt it called Villa Transfers?  I dont want to scroll through pages of tut that Plunderland or Spuds are thinking of signing

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 02, 2013, 12:39:17 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2013, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 02, 2013, 09:59:20 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Okay, i'm getting confused again between the Villa transfer thread and the other clubs transfer thread.

The problem is that the "Other Clubs Transfers" thread was moved out of the main section.

IMO it should have stayed in here until the end of the Window.

Is there a campaign we can sign up to? Bring it back in here.

Yes, it's in the 'Other Campaigns' section. I've been vehemently suggesting it's brought back into this section, but without any joy so far, I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2013, 01:09:18 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

I think it might just be turning into a one horse race. I think he'd do brilliantly at Stoke to be fair. He doesn't have to get involved in build up play and he'll have a big player alongside him doing the donkey work and making space for him. I don't now whether they'll continue spending more than their means on fees and wages though. Pulis spent a fair old wedge given the size of the club.
I think he'll end up at Fulham eventually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2013, 01:12:41 PM

Sold ado is a good signing for spurs but hey guess what Mr Soldado no ape man!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2013, 01:16:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

The offer apparently is £5m ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:38:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2013, 09:34:28 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 09:02:24 AM

Charlie Austin signs for qpr

These have nothing at all to do with Villa.

Villa are doing nothing at the moment so hardly surprising people are meandering to other transfers in here.

agreed and tell people to stop victimising me i had to trwal through pointless bale and soldado news !!! People going on about spurs transfers ...Austin was linked to villa i was merely stating that hes moved. why someone else starts to have a go at me when speople post about bale and soldao is annoying and upsetting !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2013, 01:48:42 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 02, 2013, 01:16:29 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

The offer apparently is £5m ...

He's still worth a couple of more million than that at least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 02, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

I think Lambert would be more inclined to give one of our up-and-coming young strikers (Burke, Robinson, Drennan, etc) a go, before paying money for one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 02:12:06 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 02, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

I think Lambert would be more inclined to give one of our up-and-coming young strikers (Burke, Robinson, Drennan, etc) a go, before paying money for one.

Yes that would be good to include one of these in more first team match action game time..i like this. Also regarding other great young players we have( im confused if i can type this here but) i want to shout out for GG and hope he gets game time this season can go onto big things

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2013, 02:14:10 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:38:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 11:36:03 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 02, 2013, 09:34:28 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 09:02:24 AM

Charlie Austin signs for qpr

These have nothing at all to do with Villa.

Villa are doing nothing at the moment so hardly surprising people are meandering to other transfers in here.

agreed and tell people to stop victimising me i had to trwal through pointless bale and soldado news !!! People going on about spurs transfers ...Austin was linked to villa i was merely stating that hes moved. why someone else starts to have a go at me when speople post about bale and soldao is annoying and upsetting !!

Nobody is victimising you. Look back over the last few pages, the issue is something that has been discussed with numerous people.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 02:17:17 PM

okay I was stating how i feel i wil look back and reflect that i can try and see it differently and that im not alone with being told. thank you for advice :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2013, 02:20:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

At the start of the summer I was thnking £10m and would reluctantly take £8m.  As it stands now, we'll do well to get the £6m.

And I think we've already replaced him in Helenius.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2013, 02:23:58 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 02, 2013, 02:20:51 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

At the start of the summer I was thnking £10m and would reluctantly take £8m.  As it stands now, we'll do well to get the £6m.

And I think we've already replaced him in Helenius.

We have and we don't need 4 out-and-out strikers with a 3 up front as we use wide forwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 02, 2013, 02:36:46 PM

Our problem with Bent is that only Fulham seem seriously interested. Unless you count Joe Kinnear's cheeky cockney offer of a bottle of Newcastle brown and a tip for a dead cert at Romford.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2013, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

Er, no thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on August 02, 2013, 02:50:50 PM

Yeah, I'm surprised no-one else is in for him, must be the wages. As play the right way, he will score goals - his record speaks for itself, loads of clubs would benefit having him e.g. Cardiff.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2013, 02:58:39 PM

The trouble for Benty is that more and more sides now are playing a more modern brand of football which almost makes his game obsolete. There aren't that many options open to him, not as many as you think so for his sake I hope the Fulham deal goes through, because it'll be his last Premier league move. Not many clubs will gamble 80k a week for a player who may contribute 10-20 goals if he stays fit, but possibly in the long run, to the detriment of the team as a whole. His fitness record and age aren't helping. If we get 5-6 we'll have done alright. The main thing is getting those wages off the book. I don't look at it like taking an enormous hit on a player we payed up to 24 mill for. Not in this case, because Benty proved his worth by playing a key role in us staying up two years running.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 02, 2013, 03:00:00 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2013, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

Exactly - no room for Alf Garnet's here, Thanks. Leave those who prejudice people based on the origins of their parents to other clubs

Er, no thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2013, 03:05:03 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 02, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

I think Lambert would be more inclined to give one of our up-and-coming young strikers (Burke, Robinson, Drennan, etc) a go, before paying money for one.

Yep.  I think our forward options are sorted for this season and should anyone come in if Bent goes, I think it is more likely to be an attacking midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on August 02, 2013, 03:07:13 PM

I'm glad to see things have worked out so well For Clint Dempsey after turning down a move to Villa Park last summer.
He is now linked with a move to Seattle in the MLS.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dr Butler on August 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 02, 2013, 03:07:13 PM

I'm glad to see things have worked out so well For Clint Dempsey after turning down a move to Villa Park last summer.
He is now linked with a move to Seattle in the MLS.

how much did the mighty, mighty Spurs pay for him ?  £10 million ??

bullet dodged.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mattjpa on August 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM

The worst thing is, its not a bullet dodged. I genuinely think he would have done well here, He has let himself down by making a bad choice. Hes not the first person in history to aim higher than he should have and to be fair, spurs are ahead of us at the moment so he cant be blamed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine he would not have rejected us had he known then what he knows now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 03:50:35 PM

Quote from: Dr Butler on August 02, 2013, 03:13:00 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 02, 2013, 03:07:13 PM

I'm glad to see things have worked out so well For Clint Dempsey after turning down a move to Villa Park last summer.
He is now linked with a move to Seattle in the MLS.

how much did the mighty, mighty Spurs pay for him ?  £10 million ??

bullet dodged.

lesss than that - I think we agreed a fee of around £7m for him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2013, 03:52:56 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on August 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM

The worst thing is, its not a bullet dodged. I genuinely think he would have done well here, He has let himself down by making a bad choice. Hes not the first person in history to aim higher than he should have and to be fair, spurs are ahead of us at the moment so he cant be blamed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine he would not have rejected us had he known then what he knows now

Quite right.

Similarly to Darren Bent, his stock has fallen due to not playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: warleyboy on August 02, 2013, 03:57:05 PM

Quote from: DB on August 02, 2013, 02:50:50 PM

Yeah, I'm surprised no-one else is in for him, must be the wages. As play the right way, he will score goals - his record speaks for itself, loads of clubs would benefit having him e.g. Cardiff.

Yes DB, I thought there would be more interest myself.
He is a guaranteed double figures man, in fact I believe he would do really well alongside RVP, he would bag a hatful for em.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 04:13:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 02, 2013, 03:52:56 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on August 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM

The worst thing is, its not a bullet dodged. I genuinely think he would have done well here, He has let himself down by making a bad choice. Hes not the first person in history to aim higher than he should have and to be fair, spurs are ahead of us at the moment so he cant be blamed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine he would not have rejected us had he known then what he knows now

Quite right.

Similarly to Darren Bent, his stock has fallen due to not playing.

he's a really good player. He'd probably still quite well with us if we were interested but that ship has long gone. He works hard and scores goals in that just behind the striker position.

Speaking about players I wish we'd signed, or in this case kept, is Michael Bradley. Another reason why I wanted to see how the Houllier plan would have panned out. He has gone to do superbly for Roma. Very Ashley Westwood in a lot that he does, calm, collected and loves to pass and move without complication.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on August 02, 2013, 04:40:34 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 01:53:36 PM

£6-8 Mil i would say for Bent.

Replace him with a young up coimng striker like Leigh Griffiths of wolves

We're getting rid of one bampot in the shape of Bannan.  It's not as if we have a mandated dickhead quota to fill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 02, 2013, 04:43:34 PM

Leigh is insane. Had a pretty spectacular season with Hibs, but I'd like to see how he performs at Championship level before taking him to the Premier League (so he'll have to wait a year or leave the Wovvles as soon as he can). He's also insane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2013, 04:53:15 PM

Bannan being linked with Blackpool on twitter. Ireland's move to Boro has gone very quiet! Hope to god were not stuck with that clown come September

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2013, 05:01:33 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2013, 04:53:15 PM

Bannan being linked with Blackpool on twitter.

Just what Blackpool need, another pissed up Glaswegian puking on their streets.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2013, 05:09:43 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 04:13:12 PM

Speaking about players I wish we'd signed, or in this case kept, is Michael Bradley. Another reason why I wanted to see how the Houllier plan would have panned out.

Looking back, that Houllier year was one of the weirdest we've ever had.

Starting badly with that "can't come till Wolves" thing, then a series of embarassing foot in mouth episodes, some abysmal results, shattering our spending record on a striker few thought would have come to us, Houllier getting ill, things starting to get better under McAllister, and then it all ended.

Things looked sufficiently improved towards the end that even a half decent managerial appointment might have caused us to continue to improve, and to pass the ball more, and put behind us the bad things which had happened that season.

Instead, we did the one thing, more than any other, that we could have done to throw away all the positives we could have taken from a mostly wretched season, and appointed McLeish, who, even if you could get over the other objections, made zero sense in terms of football style.

That approaching Martinez one week then turning to McLeish the next was just such a lurch from one style to the diametric opposite, it made no sense at all.

I have no idea what is said within the inner sanctum at Villa Park about this, so it's all just my suspicion, but I would not be at all surprised if Houllier was the one manager they've appointed who frustrated them the most, and who gets discussed least often.

In fact, it reminds me of the Venglos season in a way.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2013, 05:16:12 PM

I reckon Arsenal could do worse than take Darren Bent.  He scores goals, they make chances but have a problem sometimes sticking the ball away.  Bent is a lazy arse who will stand on the six yard box and poke the ball home.  Fulham for 5mill is a snip for a goalscorer, absolute snip.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2013, 05:21:46 PM

Diego Costa going to Liverpool. He s a Nast bastard and if Suarez stays that pair would suit the "victim" club right down to the ground.





And Villa link is that if he is any good we should sign him next season!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2013, 05:22:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2013, 05:09:43 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 04:13:12 PM

Speaking about players I wish we'd signed, or in this case kept, is Michael Bradley. Another reason why I wanted to see how the Houllier plan would have panned out.

Looking back, that Houllier year was one of the weirdest we've ever had.

Starting badly with that "can't come till Wolves" thing, then a series of embarassing foot in mouth episodes, some abysmal results, shattering our spending record on a striker few thought would have come to us, Houllier getting ill, things starting to get better under McAllister, and then it all ended.

Things looked sufficiently improved towards the end that even a half decent managerial appointment might have caused us to continue to improve, and to pass the ball more, and put behind us the bad things which had happened that season.

Instead, we did the one thing, more than any other, that we could have done to throw away all the positives we could have taken from a mostly wretched season, and appointed McLeish, who, even if you could get over the other objections, made zero sense in terms of football style.

That approaching Martinez one week then turning to McLeish the next was just such a lurch from one style to the diametric opposite, it made no sense at all.

I have no idea what is said within the inner sanctum at Villa Park about this, so it's all just my suspicion, but I would not be at all surprised if Houllier was the one manager they've appointed who frustrated them the most, and who gets discussed least often.

In fact, it reminds me of the Venglos season in a way.

I wasn't happy with the Houllier appointment, but could see what we were trying to achieve by it as the season went on.  And then he got ill. 

If you add his medical issues to his general lack of respect for the club, then he was basically the wrong man with the right ideas.  Those ideas were not disimilar to Lambert's, so had he come in 12 months earlier we would have seen a clear direction the board were trying to take the club in.  What happened inbetween would tax the analytical powers of Sherlock Holmes and Miss Marple's love child.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 05:29:51 PM

I think GH was the right guy, but everything was wrong around him. We needed a strong character to change the culture at the club and change the brand of football. He was just too unhealthy to accomplish that and especially given it was right on the back of MON leaving. Too many strong characters at the club, too much to fix and all put together at a chaotic time and in a chaotic manner. He was doing the right thing, in taking on those characters and looking at players that were technically gifted. He also had talented players still on the books that wanted to play that way.

We'll never figure out McLeish. I think after GH they still needed the strong character but on just about every other level they got it totally wrong. All very well documented. Now with Lambert we not only have the strong character but also a manager that wants to be here and plays exactly the type of football we all want to see. I can see why they wanted Moyes, but in my opinion in time we might have got the best of the bunch in Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2013, 05:32:32 PM

The thing with Houllier, is that a lot of people who thought it was a poor appointment could at least see the reasoning behind it.

With McLeish, it was pretty much impossible to see any sensible reason to do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 05:37:44 PM

It will forever be totally impossible to understand. Much like the unexplained things that occur in the world, appointing him is just totally mind boggling.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2013, 05:40:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 05:37:44 PM

It will forever be totally impossible to understand. Much like the unexplained things that occur in the world, appointing him is just totally mind boggling.

It's easier to explain frogs falling from the sky in Peru than the TSM appointment.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2013, 05:52:35 PM

I just call it Randy's rebellious faze.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 02, 2013, 06:08:33 PM

Randy needed a really unpopular appointment to deflect the attention from his squad purging

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2013, 06:14:00 PM

And to think Small Heath are probably still spending some of that compensation on light bulbs or toilet rolls or Highland League Bosmans.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2013, 06:33:50 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2013, 05:52:35 PM

I just call it Randy's rebellious faze.

Certainly fazed me.
I agreed with all the comments immediately above about Houllier. I was not a fan but respected where he was seemingly trying to take us. What I simply cannot understand is why the Board did not start season 2011-12 with McAllister in charge. I know that his managerial credentials were a little thin but he had done a decent job at the end of the previous season and GHou could have provided a DoF type role behind him.
I can only imagine that GHou's plans included another period of high spend as well as the removal of the key saboteurs (Dunne, Collins, Warnock, etc) - a plan that the Board could not support. Ironically, we'd have got much more back in the transfer market for the troublemakers back then and reduced the wage bill.

Lurching to TSM was sheer madness - even if the Board saw it as a year's 'interim' management while the preferred candidates could be properly identified and tapped up. A better interim for a year might have been KMac or even someone like BFR.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2013, 07:52:48 PM

I think with McLeish it was just a moment of panic which led to a poor decision. We wanted Martinez and it didn't work out, we were getting to a point where the players would be reporting for training and transfer business needed to be planned and executed.

Appointing McAllister as manager and Houllier as DoF makes perfect sense in lack of a better alternative but I think we had already agreed their release so there was no realistic way back.

The thing is Blues replaced McLeish with the available Hughton, who would have been suitable for us.

I don't know how true it is, but there was a rumour that Lerner was thinking about appointing Lambert at the time we gave the job to McLeish but his advisors were put off by the lack of Premier League experience (something specifically mentioned as a key requirement in the appointment at the time).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2013, 08:25:06 PM

I will never ever understand the appointment of TSM. It was just pure madness and came out of nowhere. It was never going to end well. Of all the rumours/speculation I've read regarding his appointment. I wouldn't be surprised if it was pure deflection of blame from the board while the cloth was cut

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2013, 08:35:45 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on August 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM

The worst thing is, its not a bullet dodged. I genuinely think he would have done well here, He has let himself down by making a bad choice. Hes not the first person in history to aim higher than he should have and to be fair, spurs are ahead of us at the moment so he cant be blamed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine he would not have rejected us had he known then what he knows now

I agree that particular opportunity has passed, but he is exactly the kind of player we could do with now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2013, 09:58:56 PM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2013, 08:35:45 PM

Quote from: mattjpa on August 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM

The worst thing is, its not a bullet dodged. I genuinely think he would have done well here, He has let himself down by making a bad choice. Hes not the first person in history to aim higher than he should have and to be fair, spurs are ahead of us at the moment so he cant be blamed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I imagine he would not have rejected us had he known then what he knows now

I agree that particular opportunity has passed, but he is exactly the kind of player we could do with now.

I agree, and think he would still be a good signing now for 2-3 million. He is a very good player, and the level we are at would do really well for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2013, 10:07:09 PM

This chap Lugano, fullback,  Boggies have signed fron PSG did he play any first team games for PSG lad season?



The Villa link is if he is any good.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 10:59:38 PM

He was. But cumbersome and lacks pace experienced playerand in confed cup he was left wanting .
If bale goes n zogbia should be lined up £39 million to.spurs

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 02, 2013, 11:02:43 PM

Yeah.   £40 million would be ludicrous though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2013, 11:13:53 PM

£39m is ok though!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 02, 2013, 11:43:26 PM

£39 million is perfectly rational, and is obviously a number arrived at after serious contemplation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 02, 2013, 11:44:21 PM

I thought he was number 36, I would accept that

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on August 03, 2013, 03:29:25 AM

I hope Bale goes so I don't have to see that crappy " I heart ♥ you" celebration

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 03, 2013, 03:49:34 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on August 03, 2013, 03:29:25 AM

I hope Bale goes so I don't have to see that crappy " I heart ♥ you" celebration

I had nothing against him until he dived against us last year. I'm not sure why, but it seemed much more offensive when you take into account how bad we were defensively.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2013, 07:57:49 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 02, 2013, 10:59:38 PM

He was. But cumbersome and lacks pace experienced playerand in confed cup he was left wanting .
If bale goes n zogbia should be lined up £39 million to.spurs

If that happened maybe some people woulld think better of TSM for bringing in such an investment as N'Zog.
More likely to be £3.9m though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 03, 2013, 08:28:43 AM

Quote from: Tuscans on August 03, 2013, 03:29:25 AM

I hope Bale goes so I don't have to see that crappy " I heart ♥ you" celebration

I hope he goes so we can see Spurs plummet down the table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 03, 2013, 08:30:42 AM

In all seriousness the crazy amount for bale and the 40 mil plus offers for strikers I would see any offer for benteke next summer be 55 mil plus ..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2013, 12:46:01 PM

Spurs apparently getting the same price for Dempsey that they paid. Is he from anywhere near Seattle?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2013, 12:47:44 PM

From Texas - so about 1,600 miles away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2013, 12:50:18 PM

Born in the same town as the excellent author Joe R Lansdale.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2013, 01:12:16 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 03, 2013, 12:46:01 PM

Spurs apparently getting the same price for Dempsey that they paid. Is he from anywhere near Seattle?

Makes me wonder if they really do get these great fees when they sell, or if they just lie.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2013, 01:14:23 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2013, 06:14:00 PM

And to think Small Heath are probably still spending some of that compensation on light bulbs or toilet rolls or Highland League Bosmans.

I thought it had all gone to Hong Kong criminal defence lawyers. I can't see the point in stocking up on light bulbs and toilet rolls when you don't know how much longer you will be able to pay for electricity and water.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2013, 01:15:23 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 03, 2013, 01:14:23 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2013, 06:14:00 PM

And to think Small Heath are probably still spending some of that compensation on light bulbs or toilet rolls or Highland League Bosmans.

I thought it had all gone to Hong Kong criminal defence lawyers. I can't see the point in stocking up on light bulbs and toilet rolls when you don't know how much longer you will be able to pay for electricity and water.

They need to keep one lightbulb for the last person to turn off when they leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2013, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

dont mind Fulham , dont mind Bent . He will do well there. Score loads for them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2013, 01:23:14 PM

You just know that the one who will turn the last light off and be last to leave will be Zigic. Even then they will have to take him by force.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2013, 02:17:43 PM

I wonder what Dempsey's wage demands are compared to Bents. Clint is a year older too. Seeing as Seattle are feeling flush and Darren is a big fan of the US, how about they buy them both for £8m a pop and the two can reminisce about being employed by Mr Levy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 03, 2013, 02:44:12 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2013, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

dont mind Fulham , dont mind Bent . He will do well there. Score loads for them.

Agree assuming he has no long term injury problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2013, 03:55:54 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 03, 2013, 01:23:14 PM

You just know that the one who will turn the last light off and be last to leave will be Zigic. Even then they will have to take him by force.

That's handy as he can take out the light bulb too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2013, 04:10:26 PM

Arsenal selling Gervinho to Roma for £8m. Shame they are not keeping him as we could do with him in their team on 17 August!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 03, 2013, 04:55:16 PM

Dempsey is going back to MLS so villa wont be signing him now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2013, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 03, 2013, 04:55:16 PM

Dempsey is going back to MLS so villa wont be signing him now

Were we ever?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2013, 06:19:28 PM

I think Roma may have been sold a pup. And not a cute, little cuddly one either. More like one who shakes like a jittery Gervinho when he's through on goal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 03, 2013, 06:50:41 PM

Have to say Gervinho gave one of the worst performances all season against us when he came on at VP last season. He must've ran the ball out of play three times just dribbling with the ball and he crossed high into the North stand when Arsenal had a decent attack in the last minute.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2013, 08:30:54 PM

Gervinho looked a great prospect before he joined them though, he's worth a gamble for them I think.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2013, 12:02:12 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2013, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 02, 2013, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 02, 2013, 12:46:49 PM

skysports say Sky Sources reveal Fulham made improved offer for Darren Bent today. Let hope it will spark other teams into action.

Just seen that. I think that a move to Fulham is a good move for him, should it happen.

dont mind Fulham , dont mind Bent . He will do well there. Score loads for them.

Would honestly rather he went abroad if possible.  Fulham are one of the teams we are trying to move above so could do without him going there and banging goals in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on August 04, 2013, 12:14:42 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2013, 12:50:18 PM

Born in the same town as the excellent author Joe R Lansdale.

A marvellous, funny author.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 04, 2013, 08:30:18 AM

Talking of Zigic I read through their match report and he was nowhere to be seen in the squad so assumed injured. I hope he is still claiming his huge wages. I looked though the squad and there was not one name I recognised. 18000 on opening day   what a huge club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 08:50:23 AM

They've got a big game in the week though. Anyway, those 15/16k noses are not dwindling away fast enough for my liking, they're doughty little battlers alright.

I think if you've never gone along with their delusions that's still quite a good crowd for them. I want four figures for a league game sometime this season.

My mate at work was moaning about. Them charging 'Premier League prices' the other day. I'm sure he was full of it as usual, but does anyone know how much it really is?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 04, 2013, 10:00:35 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 08:50:23 AM

They've got a big game in the week though. Anyway, those 15/16k noses are not dwindling away fast enough for my liking, they're doughty little battlers alright.

I think if you've never gone along with their delusions that's still quite a good crowd for them. I want four figures for a league game sometime this season.

My mate at work was moaning about. Them charging 'Premier League prices' the other day. I'm sure he was full of it as usual, but does anyone know how much it really is?

Sorry couldn't resist. Checked the official site and mid £20s is max for Brighton game with kids for a fiver. So roughly half what Villa charge overall and a quarter what Arsenal do.

Then again whatever they charge is still too much to sit in that shithole being surrounded by hate filled unwashed luddites

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2013, 10:13:16 AM

My old Foreman reckons Liam Prynn who with have signed from Torquay Utd will be a bit special. It's early days yet but good luck to the lad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 04, 2013, 10:40:52 AM

One of their female fans put a message on the mail website saying there was a fantastic atmosphere at the game yesterday. If you say so love.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: D.boy on August 04, 2013, 10:48:00 AM

Quote from: Ian J on August 04, 2013, 10:13:16 AM

My old Foreman reckons Liam Prynn who with have signed from Torquay Utd will be a bit special. It's early days yet but good luck to the lad.

Liam Prynn played for a local village team on my patc and is supposed to be a cracking prospect Im told by folk from his village of Constantine

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2013, 11:54:21 AM

Didn't someone say he'd returned to Torquay, homesick

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 04, 2013, 11:59:57 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2013, 11:54:21 AM

Didn't someone say he'd returned to Torquay, homesick

That's a bit fawlty that info is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2013, 12:25:42 PM

It's a bit quiet on the transfer front isn't it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2013, 12:30:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2013, 11:54:21 AM

Didn't someone say he'd returned to Torquay, homesick

To be honest I have seen no news on this chap. The first I heard was yesterday when my old foreman who follows Torquay said he is a cracking player and has seen him play at youth level quite a bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 01:03:22 PM

Does anyone know how that Swedish lad who was talking about moving to a bigger club is getting on?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on August 04, 2013, 01:13:12 PM

Just saw Kinnear on SS saying they had agreed a deal with Bents agents and were waiting on Aston Villa but another club is now showing an interest in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2013, 01:20:36 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 01:03:22 PM

Does anyone know how that Swedish lad who was talking about moving to a bigger club is getting on?

Khalid Abdo. He was in the NextGen squad in Como and came on as sub in the semi.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2013, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: villasjf on August 04, 2013, 01:13:12 PM

Just saw Kinnear on SS saying they had agreed a deal with Bents agents and were waiting on Aston Villa but another club is now showing an interest in him.

Yeah, saw that. Joe looks a lot more aged in HD...don't we all, I guess. He mentioned that there were clubs "around the country" interested in him, so maybe more than Fulham which will help push the price up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 04:17:03 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2013, 01:20:36 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2013, 01:03:22 PM

Does anyone know how that Swedish lad who was talking about moving to a bigger club is getting on?

Khalid Abdo. He was in the NextGen squad in Como and came on as sub in the semi.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 04, 2013, 05:00:45 PM

Quote from: D.boy on August 04, 2013, 10:48:00 AM

Quote from: Ian J on August 04, 2013, 10:13:16 AM

My old Foreman reckons Liam Prynn who with have signed from Torquay Utd will be a bit special. It's early days yet but good luck to the lad.

Liam Prynn played for a local village team on my patc and is supposed to be a cracking prospect Im told by folk from his village of Constantine

I wouldn't be shocked if he is homesick - having just spent a week in Port Navas

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 04, 2013, 05:26:38 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 04, 2013, 05:00:45 PM

Quote from: D.boy on August 04, 2013, 10:48:00 AM

Quote from: Ian J on August 04, 2013, 10:13:16 AM

My old Foreman reckons Liam Prynn who with have signed from Torquay Utd will be a bit special. It's early days yet but good luck to the lad.

Liam Prynn played for a local village team on my patc and is supposed to be a cracking prospect Im told by folk from his village of Constantine

I wouldn't be shocked if he is homesick - having just spent a week in Port Navas

Good point, D.Boy you are a lucky man living in that part of the world. I'd miss it too if I'd have to move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bill Locky on August 04, 2013, 09:38:34 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 04, 2013, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: villasjf on August 04, 2013, 01:13:12 PM

Just saw Kinnear on SS saying they had agreed a deal with Bents agents and were waiting on Aston Villa but another club is now showing an interest in him.

Yeah, saw that. Joe looks a lot more aged in HD...don't we all, I guess. He mentioned that there were clubs "around the country" interested in him, so maybe more than Fulham which will help push the price up.

Maybe Joe is just using Bent's name to try and get a cheaper deal for Loic Remy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2013, 10:15:15 PM

I'm surprised Kinnear could remember and pronounce a name as complex as 'Bent'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 04, 2013, 11:00:21 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2013, 10:15:15 PM

I'm surprised Kinnear could remember and pronounce a name as complex as 'Bent'

Well he did ask if he was still going down that fancy dress shop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 05, 2013, 10:16:55 AM

Palace are allegedly interested in Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2013, 11:21:35 AM

I'm amazed that there aren't 7 or 8 clubs in for bent at £6million (if we're lead to believe correctly). Aside from the clubs already mentioned, he'd represent an absolute bargain for Norwich, Cardiff, Stoke and S'oton. I even think he'd score a shed-load of goals for a club like Liverpool, with service from the likes of Gerrard, Coutinho and (dare I say it) Downing.

I think the club are quite confident that the asking price will eventually be met.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2013, 11:25:08 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2013, 11:21:35 AM

I'm amazed that there aren't 7 or 8 clubs in for bent at £6million (if we're lead to believe correctly). Aside from the clubs already mentioned, he'd represent an absolute bargain for Norwich, Cardiff, Stoke and S'oton. I even think he'd score a shed-load of goals for a club like Liverpool, with service from the likes of Gerrard, Coutinho and (dare I say it) Downing.

I think the club are quite confident that the asking price will eventually be met.

Personally, I think he may be a busted flush.

I've no evidence for this, but his injuries may have had affected him a lot more than is let on. If true, I don't imagine the club or player are going to want it shouted from the rooftops.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2013, 11:25:54 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2013, 11:21:35 AM

I'm amazed that there aren't 7 or 8 clubs in for bent at £6million (if we're lead to believe correctly). Aside from the clubs already mentioned, he'd represent an absolute bargain for Norwich, Cardiff, Stoke and S'oton. I even think he'd score a shed-load of goals for a club like Liverpool, with service from the likes of Gerrard, Coutinho and (dare I say it) Downing.

I think the club are quite confident that the asking price will eventually be met.

I completely agree, I said to my brother just the other day that Liverpool should go in for him. It's a no brainier for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 05, 2013, 11:28:07 AM

I sincerely hope he's a busted flush because the greatest fear about selling a player like Bent is that the goals he'll score for his new club will put them above us in the table.

Aside from his injuries, having a year of playing very little competitive football won;t have been good for his sharpness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2013, 11:28:55 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 05, 2013, 10:16:55 AM

Palace are allegedly interested in Bent.

Confirmed by their chairman or owner yesterday on SSN. It wasn't Simon Jordan but he had the same floppy hair and tan as him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on August 05, 2013, 11:38:33 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 04, 2013, 10:15:15 PM

I'm surprised Kinnear could remember and pronounce a name as complex as 'Bent'

He was probably refering to Christmas Bentakeaway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 05, 2013, 11:51:45 AM

If I am a owner of weak team or promoted team or Liverpool I would gone for Bent and Defoe to lead the attack and it will 11 millions pounds for 2 proven England Internationals, that if I don't have quality strikers already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 05, 2013, 11:57:16 AM

Bents wages will inevitably put a no of clubs off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 05, 2013, 11:58:15 AM

Quote from: RussellC on August 05, 2013, 11:28:07 AM

I sincerely hope he's a busted flush because the greatest fear about selling a player like Bent is that the goals he'll score for his new club will put them above us in the table.

Aside from his injuries, having a year of playing very little competitive football won;t have been good for his sharpness.

That's why I want him at Liverpool, we won't be passing them yet even if they are getting shitter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mal on August 05, 2013, 12:18:05 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 05, 2013, 11:51:45 AM

If I am a owner of weak team or promoted team or Liverpool I would gone for Bent and Defoe to lead the attack and it will 11 millions pounds for 2 proven England Internationals, that if I don't have quality strikers already.

Worked well at Tottenham, I must say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 05, 2013, 01:35:33 PM

Quote

I'm amazed that there aren't 7 or 8 clubs in for bent at £6million

There will be come the end of the month.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2013, 01:37:21 PM

I'm convinced he'll move for about £7m. Which is the kiss of death and he'll end up moving on a free to Yeovil.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2013, 02:32:01 PM

I thought about 100 pages ago that he'd end up at Palace and it seems like they are interested now. For a promoted club looking to score goals, Bent's about as good as you could get at that price. Give him a 2 year deal and a one year option and the wages pay for themselves if you stay up. He'd do well there in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2013, 02:37:16 PM

Chamakh reportedly a Palace target as well, not sure if that will have an impact if they are interested in Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2013, 02:47:56 PM

I think they will look to put them together.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 05, 2013, 03:06:57 PM

If they want goals, id be leaving Chamakh well alone.  Das Bent all the way

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2013, 03:35:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2013, 02:47:56 PM

I think they will look to put them together.

Would they have spent a stupid amount of money on Dwight Gayle if they were looking to have a first-choice partnership of Chamakh and Bent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 05, 2013, 04:12:22 PM

Don't know much about Gayle, but from what I've seen he strikes me as a bit similar to Bent, so not sure how good a partnership they'd make.  Plus, Palace probably need 5 in midfield to try and stay solid in their first PL season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 05, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

 :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2013, 05:26:01 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 05, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Couple of interesting tit bits im hearing adel taarabt brap to fulham on loan and bolton interested in spearing - someone i say villa should bring in. Now I be crying tear drops to massive attack if theres taarabt brap , geez ruiz, dbent and berbs as a front four wow !! that would be something!!!LIKES THIS

Remember, kids, DRUGZ R 4 MUGZ

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 05, 2013, 05:32:10 PM

 :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 05:33:56 PM

Oh dear. He is off again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 05:34:16 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 05, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Couple of interesting tit bits im hearing adel taarabt brap to fulham on loan and bolton interested in spearing - someone i say villa should bring in. Now I be crying tear drops to massive attack if theres taarabt brap , geez ruiz, dbent and berbs as a front four wow !! that would be something!!!LIKES THIS

Ignore ruiz for a second, who would actually do the work of winning the ball back in front in a team with taarabt, bent and berbatov?  you can imagine them pointing at each other with a 'your turn' when any of them was expected to do anything off the ball.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 05:34:20 PM

villa kicks, I've found some of your punctuations.

,,,,...!?,,,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 05, 2013, 06:02:50 PM

I really couldn't care less about the future of Bale/Suarez/Rooney and very much wish the media would stop bombarding us with the same turgid shite about where they might be going!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2013, 06:12:42 PM

I think villa kicks mentioned some behavioural issue he has before. Why not ruffle his hair and humour the man or alternatively  just read on?
The "the meds are wearing off again", "can you say that in English?" comments are getting tedious and I imagine, offensive to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 06:15:16 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 05, 2013, 06:12:42 PM

I think villa kicks mentioned some behavioural issue he has before. Why not ruffle his hair and humour the man or alternatively  just read on?

Didn't know that, I'll ignore his posts as long as nobody tells him about Off Topic. Damn...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 06:20:35 PM

I don't mind him sharing opinions. Its the offended by everyone disagreeing skit that gets my goat.

This is a chap who threatened to report me to the club, with the intention of my being banned from Villa Park, for disagreeing with him when he was posting as Brice Jovial.

I can let things pass by but he really does need to stop being so precious if he wants to stop on a discussion board.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 06:23:59 PM

Quote from: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 06:20:35 PM

This is a chap who threatened to report me to the club, with the intention of my being banned from Villa Park, for disagreeing with him when he was posting as Brice Jovial.

I would love to have listened in to that particular discussion!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 06:27:15 PM

I shifted between bemused, irritated, incredulous, feeling guilty and finally refusing to engage further throughout the exchange.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 06:31:13 PM

I'm not surprised, that's just bonkers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 05, 2013, 06:35:40 PM

I don't mind reading his posts three times to work out what he's on about, I see it as a challenge. But I wouldn't mind a football bets thread to save wading through that shit. It would keep him busy as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 06:44:20 PM

It got that daft that even Risso tried to mediate...

Then I drew a line, tried to play nice and inclusive, disagreed with a later point and its was then he told his Mum of me (he didn't do that of course, I posted that for artistic license based on him acting like a big baby).

Unfortunately, he got incredibly angry about the outrage of my throwaway comment about him telling his Mum.


It seems that she had recently passed away, that must be tragic event for anyone and it didn't seem appropriate to argue the point any further. I wound my neck in again and played nicely.

Then he went fucking barking about a non issue later the same day and, after offering some reasons why I disagreed about his views on Darren Bent or some such, bowed out from that particular chat, not wanting to risk Randy's wrath or push a very emotional chap over the edge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 05, 2013, 06:57:53 PM

Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on August 05, 2013, 06:02:50 PM

I really couldn't care less about the future of Bale/Suarez/Rooney and very much wish the media would stop bombarding us with the same turgid shite about where they might be going!

The focus on the media darlings/Sky favourites does my nut in too!
Lead article on 5 Live sports bit one day last week was that Vertongen got injured in a friendly...ffs!
...and making the mistake that we all want ManU, ManC, Chelski and the Arse to win all the trophies in the world because they're English clubs!
Twunts!

Back on thread - will ANY of the bomb squad move bfore deadline?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 05, 2013, 07:03:38 PM

Off on a vaguely related tangent. I have been penning some stuff for the mag for the new season.

I have been enjoying a slight change to my pieces on random teams I hate by writing about why John Terry is a fucking despicable human being. Oh, why I can't stand tennis.

As you were.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on August 05, 2013, 07:07:48 PM

So then, any transfer gossip?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 05, 2013, 07:32:03 PM

I think we need to sell one or two players before bringing in one more and possibly waiting for a certain type of player to be available on transfer market but PL might be waiting for  club X to buy player B from club Y to get Player A from Club X.

It probably be a late signing on last week of August.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2013, 07:39:16 PM

I don't think the bomb squad are going to be defused anytime soon unless they all moderate their wage demands and we moderate their transfer values , even then Given and Mr Pink might have to go on frees or be paid off to shift them. Someone earlier described VK as precious - he is, he's my precious, my Gollum!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2013, 07:49:33 PM

I recently went and purchased Rosetta Stone DVD's in Punjabi, Korean, Klingon, Wookie, Jive and Scottish to help me decipher VK's posts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:01:39 PM

Ah VK is fine other than some oh the crazy names he links.  When someone writes like that I normally suggest they try to add punctuation where they breathe if they read it loud.  The problem is I get the impression that he's already done that.

Every forum needs a bit of harmless crazy and VK does a great job of bringing it on here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:01:39 PM

Every forum needs a bit of harmless crazy and VK does a great job of bringing it on here.

Constantly singing the praises of Shelvey, Altidore and Spearing is a very special kind of crazy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:01:39 PM

Every forum needs a bit of harmless crazy and VK does a great job of bringing it on here.

Constantly singing the praises of Shelvey, Altidore and Spearing is a very special kind of crazy.

That's exactly what I'm referring too.  Come on, admit it you're all a little bit sad when you don't get a regular update that Jermaine Beckford is 'at it'.  Having people champion players that most people think are average is a big part of the fun of a football forum.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2013, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

Having people champion players that most people think are average is a big part of the fun of a football forum.

Yep, I still want us to sign Rickie Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 05, 2013, 09:18:53 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 05, 2013, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

Having people champion players that most people think are average is a big part of the fun of a football forum.

Yep, I still want us to sign Rickie Lambert.

I still want us to sign Lescott Brambles.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nodge on August 05, 2013, 09:29:31 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:01:39 PM

Every forum needs a bit of harmless crazy and VK does a great job of bringing it on here.

Constantly singing the praises of Shelvey, Altidore and Spearing is a very special kind of crazy.

That's exactly what I'm referring too.  Come on, admit it you're all a little bit sad when you don't get a regular update that Jermaine Beckford is 'at it'.  Having people champion players that most people think are average is a big part of the fun of a football forum.

Every time I read one of his posts I read it in a " I am confused.com, how may I save you......pounds" voice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 09:34:30 PM

Quote from: Ian J on August 05, 2013, 09:18:53 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 05, 2013, 09:16:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 05, 2013, 08:23:04 PM

Having people champion players that most people think are average is a big part of the fun of a football forum.

Yep, I still want us to sign Rickie Lambert.

I still want us to sign Lescott Brambles.

I still think it was a big mistake to let Steven Davis leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on August 05, 2013, 11:04:46 PM

There is a marked contrast between the caring attitude people profess to have when an ex-player turns out to have a drink/gambling problem or is reportedly living rough.

Not that I am likening VK to any ex-player, more observing how quickly liberal attitudes seem to evaporate when there is a chance of a good piss take.

As far as I can make out VK doesn't really mind people disagreeing with him, but does take exception to some of the insulting quips he gets for his trouble. Who wouldn't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2013, 11:12:01 PM

I hope we don't lose out to him due to failing to off-load our band of wastrels.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2013, 11:20:29 PM

He reminds me of Solano.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2013, 11:23:44 PM

Talking of VK, who wanted us to sign Darren Beckford in almost every post he made on here. I am sure he meant Jermaine at the time, although Darren would have been better.

The Japanese lad looks a very good player that is totally different to what we have, so would be a good signing squad wise. A bit Maloney esque.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 05, 2013, 11:30:52 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2013, 11:23:44 PM

Talking of VK, who wanted us to sign Darren Beckford in almost every post he made on here. I am sure he meant Jermaine at the time, although Darren would have been better.

Wasn't that Coopers Injury/Wiki Villa?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2013, 11:33:11 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

Probably will depend on Bent going I would have thought.  In today's Evening Mail it is reported that Lambert is pretty happy with the defensive options now that Okore is fit, so maybe the Japanese lad will be the only other addition this window. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on August 06, 2013, 02:06:38 AM

Liverpool ready to sell Stewart Downing for around £5m


Don't anyone suggest that we follow this one , even as a joke!!


And like all good scousers...he's asked for time to be considered

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2013, 02:40:31 AM

I think "sell" and "Downing" is not going to work. They will need to give him away ...with a dowry! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 06, 2013, 09:00:08 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2013, 11:23:44 PM

Talking of VK, who wanted us to sign Darren Beckford in almost every post he made on here. I am sure he meant Jermaine at the time, although Darren would have been better.

The Japanese lad looks a very good player that is totally different to what we have, so would be a good signing squad wise. A bit Maloney esque.

is VK coopers injury ? 
as VK's only been on here for the last 7 months

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

He added that he already has players such as Weimann and Tonev who can do that job.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 06, 2013, 09:20:27 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

I think its a given that we have him in the bag,

I've been told by a good ITK on Twitter    8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2013, 09:50:00 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

That happened like this:

1. Mad Julie on twitter gets obsessed about Kiyotake, goes on about how we offered his release clause but his club won't accept the bid etc etc.

2. Person who has argued with her about it on twitter and fancies himself as an ITK is at Q and A with Lambert last night. Specifically asks Lambert about Kiyotake.

3. Lambert says we made an enquiry but it went no further.

4. James Nursey reads this, runs article about how we are 'after him'.

5. Mad Julie reads this, takes it as affirmation she was right, goes on about it even more.

6. More people see Nursey and Mad Julie going on about it, retweet them, rest of world thinks "Villa are in for that Japanese lad" despite us having done nothing more than enquired.

For every five players we buy, I bet we enquire about 20. That's the way these things work, I reckon. Most potential deals get stopped dead at first move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 06, 2013, 09:54:47 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

He added that he already has players such as Weimann and Tonev who can do that job.

We finished last season playing 4-3-3 with an ocaisional switch to 4-2-3-1 when N'Zog played.  I don't think we need anyone else to play the 4-3-3, but with N'Zog injured (and I think he'd be in the bomb squad if he wasn't) then can we still go 4-2-3-1 is the question.

Right now the 4 attackers would come from Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Helenius and Tonev, so you can only afford one injury/suspension and still do it.  Plus, if we play with an attacking midfielder rather than a withdrawn striker, you would hope to get work rate and a defensive contribution as well as the goals and creativity.

I can see us getting someone else in still in that position.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 06, 2013, 10:23:27 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2013, 09:54:47 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

He added that he already has players such as Weimann and Tonev who can do that job.

We finished last season playing 4-3-3 with an ocaisional switch to 4-2-3-1 when N'Zog played.  I don't think we need anyone else to play the 4-3-3, but with N'Zog injured (and I think he'd be in the bomb squad if he wasn't) then can we still go 4-2-3-1 is the question.

Right now the 4 attackers would come from Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Helenius and Tonev, so you can only afford one injury/suspension and still do it.  Plus, if we play with an attacking midfielder rather than a withdrawn striker, you would hope to get work rate and a defensive contribution as well as the goals and creativity.

I can see us getting someone else in still in that position.   

If we can't shift at least 2-3 from the bomb squad then I don't see us getting anyone else in. If we can we may well get another player in, perhaps the Japanese fella.

That said I think Lambert probably has enough faith in Carruthers and Albrighton to bring them into one of the attacking positions if needs be. It's a year or two too early for Grealish, Burke and Robinson but who knows, if they get thrown into a cup game or two or get out on loan they might be ready sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on August 06, 2013, 10:28:40 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2013, 09:54:47 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

He added that he already has players such as Weimann and Tonev who can do that job.

We finished last season playing 4-3-3 with an ocaisional switch to 4-2-3-1 when N'Zog played.  I don't think we need anyone else to play the 4-3-3, but with N'Zog injured (and I think he'd be in the bomb squad if he wasn't) then can we still go 4-2-3-1 is the question.

Right now the 4 attackers would come from Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Helenius and Tonev, so you can only afford one injury/suspension and still do it.  Plus, if we play with an attacking midfielder rather than a withdrawn striker, you would hope to get work rate and a defensive contribution as well as the goals and creativity.

I can see us getting someone else in still in that position.   

If we were to play 4-2-3-1, from the little bits and pieces I've seen of him I would think Helenius would be a pretty good option to play in the middle of the attacking three. He's got good vision, he can pass well and he's got a good shot on him, too.

We could set up something like....

                  Guzan

Lowton   Vlaar   Okore   Luna

           Sylla   Westwood

Weimann   Helenius   Agbolahor

                Benteke

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 06, 2013, 10:30:17 AM

We do keep wondering about a potential number 10 type of player and actually that could well be our number 9. Helenius looks very good dropping off. I think he's going to be a surprise package this season and yet another great find.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2013, 10:31:01 AM

Commendation point for whoever came up with the name 'bomb squad'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2013, 10:42:10 AM

Did Lambert do a forum? Anyone know what was said?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 06, 2013, 10:31:01 AM

Commendation point for whoever came up with the name 'bomb squad'

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Sun bullshit

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 06, 2013, 10:55:14 AM

Quote from: citizenDJ on August 06, 2013, 10:28:40 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 06, 2013, 09:54:47 AM

Quote from: SashasGrandad on August 06, 2013, 09:16:28 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

PL said at last night's forum they have looked at him. But no bid has been made.

He added that he already has players such as Weimann and Tonev who can do that job.

We finished last season playing 4-3-3 with an ocaisional switch to 4-2-3-1 when N'Zog played.  I don't think we need anyone else to play the 4-3-3, but with N'Zog injured (and I think he'd be in the bomb squad if he wasn't) then can we still go 4-2-3-1 is the question.

Right now the 4 attackers would come from Benteke, Gabby, Weimann, Helenius and Tonev, so you can only afford one injury/suspension and still do it.  Plus, if we play with an attacking midfielder rather than a withdrawn striker, you would hope to get work rate and a defensive contribution as well as the goals and creativity.

I can see us getting someone else in still in that position.   

If we were to play 4-2-3-1, from the little bits and pieces I've seen of him I would think Helenius would be a pretty good option to play in the middle of the attacking three. He's got good vision, he can pass well and he's got a good shot on him, too.

We could set up something like....

                  Guzan

Lowton   Vlaar   Okore   Luna

           Sylla   Westwood

Weimann   Helenius   Agbolahor

                Benteke

We tried something a lot like that last season with N'Zog where you have Helenius, but struggled in midfield.  Either Westood and Sylla need to improve enough that we can play with just two of them or Helenius would need to give us a lot more tracking back than Charlie did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2013, 10:59:31 AM

We need another first choice midfielder to really improve us.

I would hope that with a few going, we would have room wages wise to bring that player in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: citizenDJ on August 06, 2013, 10:59:59 AM

Yup, I'm inclined to agree that our midfielders would likely need to improve a lot for it to work. I think I'm basing it on the hope that Sylla turns into Makalele or something this season!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 06, 2013, 11:00:55 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2013, 09:50:00 AM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 05, 2013, 11:09:34 PM

The Mirror are linking us again with the Japanese lad in Germany.

It wouldn't surprise me if for once they're onto something.

That happened like this:

1. Mad Julie on twitter gets obsessed about Kiyotake, goes on about how we offered his release clause but his club won't accept the bid etc etc.

2. Person who has argued with her about it on twitter and fancies himself as an ITK is at Q and A with Lambert last night. Specifically asks Lambert about Kiyotake.

3. Lambert says we made an enquiry but it went no further.

4. James Nursey reads this, runs article about how we are 'after him'.

5. Mad Julie reads this, takes it as affirmation she was right, goes on about it even more.

6. More people see Nursey and Mad Julie going on about it, retweet them, rest of world thinks "Villa are in for that Japanese lad" despite us having done nothing more than enquired.

For every five players we buy, I bet we enquire about 20. That's the way these things work, I reckon. Most potential deals get stopped dead at first move.

Erm, who is Mad Julie ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2013, 11:05:46 AM

Dan - Mad Julie (https://twitter.com/JulieBayleyIFA)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2013, 11:21:58 AM

Should I ever need a finanacial planner or an 'accredited later life adviser' (whatever one of those is) I now know who to steer well clear of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2013, 11:26:38 AM

You don't fancy financial advice from someone having a very public breakdown over a rumour, for shame.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 06, 2013, 10:31:01 AM

Commendation point for whoever came up with the name 'bomb squad'

This bomb must have the longest fuse ever because there's no sign of any of them going off yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 06, 2013, 11:43:06 AM

I can see Bent being the only one to leave before the season starts, and he hasn't gone yet

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 06, 2013, 11:58:29 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2013, 11:05:46 AM

Dan - Mad Julie (https://twitter.com/JulieBayleyIFA)

Got it now. Cheers. Does she do pensions ? ;D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 06, 2013, 12:16:42 PM

Quote from: john e on August 06, 2013, 11:43:06 AM

I can see Bent being the only one to leave before the season starts, and he hasn't gone yet

Agreed. Let's face facts if we were looking from the outside in we wouldn't want to sign any of them after the last 2 years aside from Bent. Thinking being worth a punt for a few million if he reduces his wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 06, 2013, 12:17:22 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 06, 2013, 10:31:01 AM

Commendation point for whoever came up with the name 'bomb squad'

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Sun bullshit

Isn't that what they called themselves?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2013, 12:23:54 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 06, 2013, 11:26:38 AM

You don't fancy financial advice from someone having a very public breakdown over a rumour, for shame.

I'm feeling guilty about that now, I'll ask her how to invest my meagre earnings in order to prepare for later life.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on August 06, 2013, 02:27:39 PM

I fully agree with Lambo's policy of clearing out the decks. A manager cannot be compasionate and has to do what he has to do. He clearly decided at the end of the season which players he fancied and which ones he didnt.

I feel for Bent as he did nothing wrong and scored us vital goals, however he doesnt fit the Lambo system. Given clearly is on the way out and commands a big salary and has to go. Ireland, Bannan, Stevens all had a chance. Ireland and Bannan did not take their chance whilst Stevens isnt quite good enough [hope he finds a decent club]. The Fonz didnt get a chance under Lambo but he hasnt set the championship alight and I dont think he is good enough. A bit like Bent a good finisher but not alot else.

As for Hutton unfortunately another player like many in recent years bought for alot of money on big wages with no great resale value. I think he will be loaned out at best

I truely hope we can ship out the deadwood to release funds for one more good quality midfielder

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2013, 04:20:43 PM

Who on earth is going to take Ireland?  He's about as much use as a pair of sunglasses to a bloke with one ear.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2013, 04:22:53 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2013, 04:20:43 PM

Who on earth is going to take Ireland?  He's about as much use as a pair of sunglasses to a bloke with one ear.

We're going to leave a horse's head in his bed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 06, 2013, 04:37:24 PM

My colleague just texted that wee Barry has screwed up his move to Blackburn with his "demands"?
Jeezus, I was hoping he would go and salvage a little dignity...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2013, 05:15:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

He used to go all the time 'til somebody told him he was black.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on August 06, 2013, 05:30:29 PM

Superb!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 06, 2013, 05:53:24 PM

Surely we must have a PL thread from last nights Q+A ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2013, 06:04:02 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2013, 05:15:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

He used to go all the time 'til somebody told him he was black.

Reminds me of when I saw Stevie at Wembley - Hotter than July tour - he did a little ad libbing at one point  and he said " people constantly ask me how tough it was growing up as a blind boy - I always reply- it could be worse I could be black"

I kid you not !

The guy is an absolute legend

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 06, 2013, 06:14:25 PM

Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2013, 06:04:02 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2013, 05:15:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

He used to go all the time 'til somebody told him he was black.

Reminds me of when I saw Stevie at Wembley - Hotter than July tour - he did a little ad libbing at one point  and he said " people constantly ask me how tough it was growing up as a blind boy - I always reply- it could be worse I could be black"

I kid you not !

The guy is an absolute legend

I've heard that joke before, but never realised he was one of the people telling it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2013, 06:39:07 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

Stevieeee  does get invited to such events but leaves early in case they run out of meat!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2013, 08:29:48 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2013, 05:15:10 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM

searching for dignity amongst PL footballers is as fruitless as spotting Stevie Wonder at a KKK cook out

He used to go all the time 'til somebody told him he was black.

YouTube Dave Chapelle - Clayton Bigsby - American comedian if you've not heard of him. Superb sketch

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Left Side on August 06, 2013, 08:31:30 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 06, 2013, 05:53:24 PM

Surely we must have a PL thread from last nights Q+A ?

I thought that as well, need to know basis I reckon!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 06, 2013, 09:16:56 PM

Quote from: The Left Side on August 06, 2013, 08:31:30 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 06, 2013, 05:53:24 PM

Surely we must have a PL thread from last nights Q+A ?

I thought that as well, need to know basis I reckon!

Villa Talk have a thread .....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 06, 2013, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Something I called earlier in close season  and now Liverpool in 'advanced stage' of selling Martin Skrtel to Napoli not really an ITK but i was correct in saying he would be moving on . I think Villa could have added him but we were never interested from my research

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2013, 09:42:24 PM

Skrtel has a permanent look on his face as if he has just discovered that someone has placed a turd in his bowl of jelly and ice cream.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2013, 09:46:17 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 06, 2013, 09:42:24 PM

Skrtel has a permanent look on his face as if he has just discovered that someone has placed a turd in his bowl of jelly and ice cream.

I can't think of any player who looks more Cro-Magnon. He looks like he's been found in a glacier and thawed out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2013, 10:10:48 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 06, 2013, 09:42:24 PM

Skrtel has a permanent look on his face as if he has just discovered that someone has placed a turd in his bowl of jelly and ice cream.

He looks like he's just shat his pants. Permanently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 06, 2013, 11:07:47 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 06, 2013, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Offers of stacking shelves.? Nothing wrong with stacking shelves by the way, did it many years ago, good money.

Something I called earlier in close season  and now Liverpool in 'advanced stage' of selling Martin Skrtel to Napoli not really an ITK but i was correct in saying he would be moving on . I think Villa could have added him but we were never interested from my research

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on August 06, 2013, 11:13:39 PM

He always reminded me of Hitler Youth

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 06, 2013, 11:36:31 PM

I thought he was Skeletor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2013, 01:01:14 AM

We could do worse than sign Skrtel....


... to scare the birds from the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2013, 01:22:09 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 06, 2013, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Something I called earlier in close season  and now Liverpool in 'advanced stage' of selling Martin Skrtel to Napoli not really an ITK but i was correct in saying he would be moving on . I think Villa could have added him but we were never interested from my research

Well done VK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2013, 01:25:11 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 06, 2013, 09:42:24 PM

Skrtel has a permanent look on his face as if he has just discovered that someone has placed a turd in his bowl of jelly and ice cream.

As Quasimodo said to Snow White and Tom Thumb "who the fuck is Martin Skrtel?"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2013, 09:07:42 AM

After extensive research, my team of boffins came to the conclusion that Skrtel is moving abroad because he is, in fact, fucking shite.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2013, 09:12:53 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 07, 2013, 09:07:42 AM

After extensive research, my team of boffins came to the conclusion that Skrtel is moving abroad because he is, in fact, fucking shite.

give 'em a pay rise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2013, 09:34:12 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 06, 2013, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on May 27, 2013, 09:15:34 PM

Liverpools Skrtel is open to offers

Something I called earlier in close season  and now Liverpool in 'advanced stage' of selling Martin Skrtel to Napoli not really an ITK but i was correct in saying he would be moving on . I think Villa could have added him but we were never interested from my research

Did you have to go undercover for that highly classified information?  Pillow talk with Faulkner? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 07, 2013, 09:44:26 AM

no it was with the seventh brother of the seventh son who had a thousand telephones that never rung. An earlier post was getting very Dylanesque on this I thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

What we need is O'Neill to be confirmed manager of an, as yet, unnamed Premier League side that are being taken over by an Arab consortium with £100m bazillion pounds for him to splash on our shitty reserves.  That way we could get on with our lives.  I am frankly becoming increasingly embarrassed to have my name on a thread that rather resembles the career on Michael Owen, starting with a whoop and a holler and then declining to the depths of a Stokie nightmare.  Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 07, 2013, 11:15:42 AM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

What we need is O'Neill to be confirmed manager of an, as yet, unnamed Premier League side that are being taken over by an Arab consortium with £100m bazillion pounds for him to splash on our shitty reserves.  That way we could get on with our lives.  I am frankly becoming increasingly embarrassed to have my name on a thread that rather resembles the career on Michael Owen, starting with a whoop and a holler and then declining to the depths of a Stokie nightmare.  Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Intersting idea.  Maybe we should start a radio advertising campaign about buying Stephen Ireland and getting Barry Bannan free?  Or buy now pay next year on Darren Bent.  Perhaps even a car boot where we stick Hutton in the back of his own Landrover?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2013, 11:23:08 AM

The club could send mocked-up Youtube videos of the players highlights to other teams, like Bannan setting up Albrighton with an 80 yard assist against Fulham and Ireland when he did good things - as in when he was still at Man City (the giveaway may be that he still had hair and 6 living grandmothers back then).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2013, 11:41:06 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2013, 11:23:08 AM

The club could send mocked-up Youtube videos of the players highlights to other teams, like Bannan setting up Albrighton with an 80 yard assist against Fulham and Ireland when he did good things - as in when he was still at Man City (the giveaway may be that he still had hair and 6 living grandmothers back then).

There are limits to what is doable with CGI effects.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2013, 12:19:42 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2013, 11:41:06 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2013, 11:23:08 AM

The club could send mocked-up Youtube videos of the players highlights to other teams, like Bannan setting up Albrighton with an 80 yard assist against Fulham and Ireland when he did good things - as in when he was still at Man City (the giveaway may be that he still had hair and 6 living grandmothers back then).

There are limits to what is doable with CGI effects.

Maybe we could superimpose his head onto Messi's body. Hell at this rate even Robbie Savage might make him look better!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Let's send 'em on a free, all-expenses-paid luxury cruise around the horn of Africa. In a boat with huge dollar signs painted on the side and a big white flag on the back. Then, when they get kidnapped by pirates, claim on the insurance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2013, 01:14:26 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Let's send 'em on a free, all-expenses-paid luxury cruise around the horn of Africa. In a boat with huge dollar signs painted on the side and a big white flag on the back. Then, when they get kidnapped by pirates, claim on the insurance.

We'll just have to hope the Pirates still remember Ireland's one good season at City, otherwise they probably won't bother.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on August 07, 2013, 01:16:48 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2013, 01:14:26 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Let's send 'em on a free, all-expenses-paid luxury cruise around the horn of Africa. In a boat with huge dollar signs painted on the side and a big white flag on the back. Then, when they get kidnapped by pirates, claim on the insurance.

We'll just have to hope the Pirates still remember Ireland's one good season at City, otherwise they probably won't bother.

We would probably end up paying a ransom for the pirates to take them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 01:30:42 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on August 07, 2013, 01:16:48 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 07, 2013, 01:14:26 PM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 07, 2013, 11:08:11 AM

Surely somebody must want some of this lovely shit we have for sale....please?

Let's send 'em on a free, all-expenses-paid luxury cruise around the horn of Africa. In a boat with huge dollar signs painted on the side and a big white flag on the back. Then, when they get kidnapped by pirates, claim on the insurance.

We'll just have to hope the Pirates still remember Ireland's one good season at City, otherwise they probably won't bother.

We would probably end up paying a ransom for the pirates to take them.

No probs, we could offer them a third of Ireland's remaining contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on August 07, 2013, 02:44:45 PM

Bearing in mind that PL was quoted as saying  last night that , should the right opportunity come along , he would go back into the Transfer Market prior to deadline day , this mornings rumour may , as they say ´have some legs ´ :

Nurnberger Nachrichten: Aston Villa have not given up on signing Nurnberg Japan international, Hiroshi Kiyotake
Should Aston Villa go back to Nurnberg with a significantly improved offer for Kiyotake then there is every chance they will be able to bring the player to the club and it is likely Lambert would go with a two-pronged attack on either flank with Kiyotake on the left and N'Zogbia on the right - although there would likely to be numerous rotations. 

Kiyotake is contracted to Nurnberg until the summer of 2015 which means Aston Villa would have to present a significantly impressive offer to persuade Nurnberg to sell and it remains to be seen if Villa will go back in for Kiyotake or will look towards cheaper or more easily available alternatives

Not sure how much credence this has  ( especially with the bit about the two pronged attack including N´Zogbia is concerned   )   but I like what I,ve seen of this guy , admittedly limited though that may be ........................Godzvilla !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2013, 05:46:02 PM

Quote from: godzvilla on August 07, 2013, 02:44:45 PM

Bearing in mind that PL was quoted as saying  last night that , should the right opportunity come along , he would go back into the Transfer Market prior to deadline day , this mornings rumour may , as they say ´have some legs ´ :

Nurnberger Nachrichten: Aston Villa have not given up on signing Nurnberg Japan international, Hiroshi Kiyotake
Should Aston Villa go back to Nurnberg with a significantly improved offer for Kiyotake then there is every chance they will be able to bring the player to the club and it is likely Lambert would go with a two-pronged attack on either flank with Kiyotake on the left and N'Zogbia on the right - although there would likely to be numerous rotations. 

Kiyotake is contracted to Nurnberg until the summer of 2015 which means Aston Villa would have to present a significantly impressive offer to persuade Nurnberg to sell and it remains to be seen if Villa will go back in for Kiyotake or will look towards cheaper or more easily available alternatives

Not sure how much credence this has  ( especially with the bit about the two pronged attack including N´Zogbia is concerned   )   but I like what I,ve seen of this guy , admittedly limited though that may be ........................Godzvilla !

Well, they've certainly covered their arse with that report (whoever they are).
And is Charles really going to be a fixture in the Villa side? - I think not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2013, 08:46:32 PM

So what's going on with Shergar, shrek and apeman transfer sagas?

The Villa link is that as soon as selling clubs have money they will come for Benteke!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2013, 09:08:47 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 07, 2013, 08:46:32 PM

So what's going on with Shergar, shrek and apeman transfer sagas?

The Villa link is that as soon as selling clubs have money they will come for Benteke!

This isn't aimed at you but, who gives a shit.  You couldn't find three better examples of how football has gone up it's own arse that those three football transfer sagas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2013, 09:12:58 PM

Apparently FCN have made a statement about #Free Willy staying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 07, 2013, 09:31:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2013, 09:12:58 PM

Apparently FCN have made a statement about #Free Willy staying.

Nosuch thing as a free willy. You have to charge the female at least one half of cider and black.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on August 07, 2013, 09:38:46 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 07, 2013, 09:31:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2013, 09:12:58 PM

Apparently FCN have made a statement about #Free Willy staying.

Nosuch thing as a free willy. You have to charge the female at least one half of cider and black.

But have to pay a £2 'handling fee'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 07, 2013, 10:35:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on August 07, 2013, 09:38:46 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 07, 2013, 09:31:13 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2013, 09:12:58 PM

Apparently FCN have made a statement about #Free Willy staying.

Nosuch thing as a free willy. You have to charge the female at least one half of cider and black.

But have to pay a £2 'handling fee'

That's 4 quid then ? 8) 8)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on August 08, 2013, 08:59:03 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2013, 09:08:47 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 07, 2013, 08:46:32 PM

So what's going on with Shergar, shrek and apeman transfer sagas?

The Villa link is that as soon as selling clubs have money they will come for Benteke!

This isn't aimed at you but, who gives a shit.  You couldn't find three better examples of how football has gone up it's own arse that those three football transfer sagas.

Tedious isn't it? Any bit of 'news' or update from Sky sources or 2-bit journo's is splashed all over the place. They are struggling to fill air-time, column inches with anything this time of year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on August 08, 2013, 09:19:48 AM

I see the Express has us linked to a 10mil bid for this Japanese midfielder today. I dont know anything about him but if he is as good as Nakata was a few years ago it might be worth following up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 08, 2013, 09:27:21 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 08, 2013, 09:19:48 AM

I see the Express has us linked to a 10mil bid for this Japanese midfielder today. I dont know anything about him but if he is as good as Nakata was a few years ago it might be worth following up.

And it's been turned down?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2013, 10:21:06 AM

Quote from: Ron Manager on August 08, 2013, 09:19:48 AM

I see the Express has us linked to a 10mil bid for this Japanese midfielder today. I dont know anything about him but if he is as good as Nakata was a few years ago it might be worth following up.

I've only seen him fleetingly, but he looked excellent and is the sort of player we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 08, 2013, 11:23:35 AM

with graham burkey burke going on loan then i think another player could come in.  though burkey deaprture is only on a temp arrangement- hence the word loan - doesn t affect the 25 man player roster .. ooh yeah !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 08, 2013, 11:30:47 AM

I cant believe his parents christened him Graham Burkey Burke.  He most have had loads of stick at school

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 08, 2013, 11:33:41 AM

Where's he gone on loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2013, 11:43:34 AM

Going to Shrewsbury.  Good to see young players going out on loan as they appreciate how big a club Villa are when they are away and they get first team experience.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johncvilla88 on August 08, 2013, 11:43:46 AM

Shrewsbury Town

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2013, 12:01:33 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

Agreed it would take our spend to about £20 million, which isn't exactly high given the new TV money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2013, 01:11:17 PM

Any players you'd fancy from Anzi?  They've transfer listed the lot so they're all available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Anzhi_Makhachkala
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 08, 2013, 01:15:13 PM

Samuel E'Too would be nice but would Gabby be happy to sit on the bench for him. Maybe one of those Brazilians but I am not familiar with them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 01:17:08 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 08, 2013, 11:43:34 AM

Going to Shrewsbury.  Good to see young players going out on loan as they appreciate how big a club Villa are when they are away and they get first team experience.

I work with a Shrewsbury Town ST holder, so have asked for regular updates on how he's doing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2013, 01:21:51 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 01:17:08 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 08, 2013, 11:43:34 AM

Going to Shrewsbury.  Good to see young players going out on loan as they appreciate how big a club Villa are when they are away and they get first team experience.

I work with a Shrewsbury Town ST holder, so have asked for regular updates on how he's doing.

Can we have a loan watch thread again? 
Lamberts Q&A suggested that he was keen to loan out our youngsters so there's a good chance there'll be a few of them to monitor.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 08, 2013, 01:25:29 PM

Wilian is meant to be very useful, and Kokorin is a prospect, although I've not seen much of him aside for playing for Russia, 8 goals in 17 games at senior international level.

Excellent news about Burke too, it's about time some of our younger players got good level experience.  Shrewsbury are a good club. I'll try and catch some of their home games and keep you all up to date.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2013, 01:34:47 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 08, 2013, 01:25:29 PM

Wilian is meant to be very useful, and Kokorin is a prospect, although I've not seen much of him aside for playing for Russia, 8 goals in 17 games at senior international level.

Excellent news about Burke too, it's about time some of our younger players got good level experience.  Shrewsbury are a good club. I'll try and catch some of their home games and keep you all up to date.

agree on Burke, I'd quite like to see Donacien, Grealish, Carruthers and Robinson get some time out on loan as well.  Oh and if they're fit Graham and Drennan as well.  It'd largely gut out U21 team but I think they'd all benefit, of that lot I expect 2-3 to be playing for the first team within 2 years.  On top of that it means Sellers and Strain get to see regular game time in the U21 and they both look decent prospects as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 08, 2013, 01:36:52 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2013, 12:01:33 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

Agreed it would take our spend to about £20 million, which isn't exactly high given the new TV money.

Still think we we need to shift on one or two of the bomb squad for a deal like that to happen. We still have  mountain of debt - albeit to the person who owns the club

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 08, 2013, 01:38:47 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2013, 01:11:17 PM

Any players you'd fancy from Anzi?  They've transfer listed the lot so they're all available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Anzhi_Makhachkala
 

Perhaps they will sell Samba back to QPR again! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 01:42:54 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 08, 2013, 01:36:52 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2013, 12:01:33 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

Agreed it would take our spend to about £20 million, which isn't exactly high given the new TV money.

Still think we we need to shift on one or two of the bomb squad for a deal like that to happen. We still have  mountain of debt - albeit to the person who owns the club

If so, it's probbaly only in relation to the wages a £10m player comes with.  I'm fully confident that, having seen the value for money, and potential re-sale value, Lambert can get in the market, Randy wouldn't think twice about signing the cheque.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2013, 01:57:16 PM

I agree John, and think once Bent and one of Given and or Ireland are gone, then we might see 2 more come in this window. But it will all depend on those wages.

Kiyotake looks a really decent player, but if he has a release clause of around 10 million Euros surely that is what we would have to pay. Unless we are dealing with Liverpool in disguise. Then it is a case of a lost contract and charge what you like!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2013, 02:33:47 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 08, 2013, 01:15:13 PM

Samuel E'Too would be nice but would Gabby be happy to sit on the bench for him. Maybe one of those Brazilians but I am not familiar with them.

Eto'o also makes something like £250,000 a week. Nuts

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2013, 03:35:47 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

It's a fair chunk considering the player apparently only has a year left on his contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 08, 2013, 04:10:05 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2013, 03:35:47 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

It's a fair chunk considering the player apparently only has a year left on his contract.

I thought he'd signed a new contract with them and had about 3 years left of it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2013, 04:19:33 PM

How many more midfield players do we need?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 04:22:02 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2013, 04:19:33 PM

How many more midfield players do we need?

If we play 4-3-3 then we need 6 based on the 'two for every position' mantra.  So with KEA, Westwood, Delph, Sylla and Bacuna that leaves room for one, unless we're counting Gardner as ready to take the final place.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 04:24:56 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2013, 03:35:47 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

It's a fair chunk considering the player apparently only has a year left on his contract.

It depends on how highly the player would be valued if he had longre left.  We wanted £18m for Barry and then sold him for £12m when he only had a year left.  Using that as a basis for the maths, it would make Kiyotake a £15m player under normal market conditions. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2013, 04:31:15 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 04:24:56 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2013, 03:35:47 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 08, 2013, 11:48:09 AM

Quote from: Holte End Stylist on August 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM

I can't believe we'd offer 10 mil to be honest

It's not a great deal more than we payed for Benteke and probably around what we were willing to pay for Dempsey.  I'd say we would buy a £10m player again, but only when Lambert is fully convinced he's worth the money. 

It's a fair chunk considering the player apparently only has a year left on his contract.

It depends on how highly the player would be valued if he had longre left.  We wanted £18m for Barry and then sold him for £12m when he only had a year left.  Using that as a basis for the maths, it would make Kiyotake a £15m player under normal market conditions. 

This lad has a good reputation in probably the second best league in Europe at the moment. I think 10 mill could be a snip, but I'd guess we want to ship 2-3 before bringing anyone else in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2013, 04:49:59 PM

He joined last summer on a 3 year deal, so has two left from what I can see.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 08, 2013, 05:11:34 PM

Maybe we should stop talking and hoping about Ireland going. Nobody appears to want him, so we appear to be in a 'Zigic' situation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 08, 2013, 11:09:44 PM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on August 08, 2013, 04:19:33 PM

How many more midfield players do we need?

Rather like asking any woman the same question about shoes...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 08, 2013, 11:24:54 PM

By now we should have got rid of Barry/Nathan to lower division clubs, Hutton to Spain, Bent to Fulham and Given to any club need a goalkeeper. I wonder do anyone want to sign Stephen Ireland yet. Have he got one year left on his contract ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 08, 2013, 11:29:56 PM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 08, 2013, 05:11:34 PM

Maybe we should stop talking and hoping about Ireland going. Nobody appears to want him, so we appear to be in a 'Zigic' situation.

I would say that he is being a stuborn fuckeer. He does not give a flying shite about our club and he will be willing to just stay for the cash. To me it makes huge sense to cancel his contract, pay him up and get rid. Free agent then, on his own back. Same with Hutton, same with Bent, although, Bent is the only one that will leave, come back, and have the whole of the ground applauding, whatever team he goes to. Good luck Darren Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 08, 2013, 11:36:37 PM

I wish it is simple as paying 500,000 to both players and contract ended. But football don't work like that :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 08, 2013, 11:36:44 PM

Can't we just borrow that Sky helicopter doing the rounds and drop Barry off at say, Blackburn, Fonz at Blackpool, Given at Celtic and Ireland in the middle of the North Sea? The twunt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2013, 11:48:05 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 08, 2013, 11:29:56 PM

To me it makes huge sense to cancel his contract, pay him up and get rid. Free agent then, on his own back.

Yeah, if we just give him nothing more than the shirt on his back and three million pounds and throw him out on the streets.

See how he likes that, the fucker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 06:51:02 AM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

I am getting a hint of sarcasm in there DCF.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on August 09, 2013, 12:03:23 PM

Is he "big in Japan"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on August 09, 2013, 01:00:32 PM

"There's only one Kiyotake" goes quite well actually.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2013, 01:01:14 PM

Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2013, 01:00:32 PM

"There's only one Kiyotake" goes quite well actually.

And for once may be true!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 09, 2013, 01:02:35 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2013, 01:01:14 PM

Quote from: not3bad on August 09, 2013, 01:00:32 PM

"There's only one Kiyotake" goes quite well actually.

And for once may be true!




no its like jones and smith in Japan  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 01:18:33 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Don't, there is a chronic shortage of the letter 'K', when Kevin Kilbane stopped playing the letter 'K' was retired.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2013, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 01:18:33 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Don't, there is a chronic shortage of the letter 'K', when Kevin Kilbane stopped playing the letter 'K' was retired.

Football is much poorer without Kevin Kilbane.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 09, 2013, 02:06:44 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 09, 2013, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 01:18:33 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Don't, there is a chronic shortage of the letter 'K', when Kevin Kilbane stopped playing the letter 'K' was retired.

Football is much poorer without Kevin Kilbane.

Kevin Kilbane and Jim Carey have never been seen in public together at the same time.  Coincidence?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2013, 02:07:29 PM

football's  a whole lot more impoverished with Mr Ireland in more ways than one

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2013, 02:08:36 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 09, 2013, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 01:18:33 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Don't, there is a chronic shortage of the letter 'K', when Kevin Kilbane stopped playing the letter 'K' was retired.

Football is much poorer without Kevin Kilbane.

He's not lost to football, we can see his overtly Irish looking face on the BBC.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2013, 02:23:56 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 09, 2013, 02:06:44 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 09, 2013, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 01:18:33 PM

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on August 09, 2013, 06:41:00 AM

The Hiroshi Kiyotake deal is on. I am off to Villa Park to get my shirt printed.

Don't, there is a chronic shortage of the letter 'K', when Kevin Kilbane stopped playing the letter 'K' was retired.

Football is much poorer without Kevin Kilbane.

Kevin Kilbane and Jim Carey have never been seen in public together at the same time.  Coincidence?

Cable guuuuuuuuuuy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2013, 02:24:36 PM

I love Kilbane almost as much as I now love Luton

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 03:00:36 PM

See we've missed out on Spearing.

He's signed for Real Madrid or Bolton, not sure which one, they both play in white.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on August 09, 2013, 03:43:02 PM

Up or lower our bid to £11m plus Ireland for Kiyotake.As for missing out on Spearing...will he be eating tapas or pies ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2013, 04:10:27 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 03:00:36 PM

See we've missed out on Spearing.

He's signed for Real Madrid or Bolton, not sure which one, they both play in white.

I think NRC made the same mistake. His agent told him all Spanish people wear flat caps and eat pies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

We've missed out on Spearing, but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on August 09, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

ITK, a feeling down below, or are you now a disciple of the Julie Bayley sect?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 05:28:10 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on August 09, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

ITK, a feeling down below, or are you now a disciple of the Julie Bayley sect?

#freekiyo #germanslavedrivers #thousandyearreich #thousandyardstare

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2013, 05:29:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

We've missed out on Spearing, but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

Seriously?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BenEeles on August 09, 2013, 06:41:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

We've missed out on Spearing, but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

When you say 'missed out', I'm going to assume you mean avoided?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 09, 2013, 06:44:25 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2013, 03:00:36 PM

See we've missed out on Spearing.

Gutted. There goes the difference between 5th and 4th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 06:52:56 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 05:28:10 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on August 09, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

ITK, a feeling down below, or are you now a disciple of the Julie Bayley sect?

#freekiyo #germanslavedrivers #thousandyearreich #thousandyardstare

#crazybitch

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on August 09, 2013, 06:59:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 06:52:56 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 05:28:10 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on August 09, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

ITK, a feeling down below, or are you now a disciple of the Julie Bayley sect?

#freekiyo #germanslavedrivers #thousandyearreich #thousandyardstare

#crazybitch

As an adolescent I had a feeling down below for Julie Edge:

(http://content6.flixster.com/photo/95/66/37/9566376_ori.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 09, 2013, 07:02:59 PM

Quote from: adrenachrome on August 09, 2013, 06:59:57 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 06:52:56 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 05:28:10 PM

Quote from: dicedlam on August 09, 2013, 05:08:09 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

ITK, a feeling down below, or are you now a disciple of the Julie Bayley sect?

#freekiyo #germanslavedrivers #thousandyearreich #thousandyardstare

#crazybitch

As an adolescent I had a feeling down below for Julie Edge:

(http://content6.flixster.com/photo/95/66/37/9566376_ori.jpg)

Wow!
Me too, but managed to get rid of it about three times a day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 09, 2013, 07:03:26 PM

Bra technology, in my humble opinion, has gone backwards since the days of the ancient Greeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 07:35:47 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2013, 05:29:39 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2013, 04:56:40 PM

We've missed out on Spearing, but I hear Kiyotake is a done deal.

Seriously?

Yes, he's signed for Real Bolton #freekiyo #listentothefans #lethimgo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on August 09, 2013, 07:56:45 PM

According to something on facebook "Samir Curruthers joins MK Dons on loan".
I thought he was in with a shout of a place in the first team squad after his appearances in pre season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 09, 2013, 08:31:49 PM

I haven't bothered to read Julies comments on Mr Nippon at Nuremberg. I have a horrible feeling she might work with me though...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 09, 2013, 08:39:38 PM

In a Men in Black dance routine?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 09, 2013, 09:25:33 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 09, 2013, 07:56:45 PM

According to something on facebook "Samir Curruthers joins MK Dons on loan".
I thought he was in with a shout of a place in the first team squad after his appearances in pre season.

Seems as if he has gone to MK Dons. Might be a good move as the manager Robinson does seem to get his players playing decent football.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM

I still we will get the much fabled number 10 but in a way hope it's someone a bit stronger looking than Julies obsession.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 09, 2013, 10:10:26 PM

The mad Julie thread. Now that would be a cracker.
By the way, this Japanese guy, K.........., is he what we need ? Surely we should be looking at our defence, again, to strengthen.
Just my opinion. Oh, and Ron Vlaar's opinion as well. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 09, 2013, 10:14:44 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 09, 2013, 09:25:33 PM

Quote from: gervilla on August 09, 2013, 07:56:45 PM

According to something on facebook "Samir Curruthers joins MK Dons on loan".
I thought he was in with a shout of a place in the first team squad after his appearances in pre season.

Seems as if he has gone to MK Dons. Might be a good move as the manager Robinson does seem to get his players playing decent football.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRPwIB2CQAACrAQ.jpg)

Samir Carruthers will now be linking up with a player i used to go to school with Izale Mcleod, he'll do alright there me thinks!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 09, 2013, 10:26:37 PM

Did McLeod play at Barnet first of all, know he played at Peterborough

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 09, 2013, 10:31:13 PM

Quote from: villan from luton on August 09, 2013, 10:26:37 PM

Did McLeod play at Barnet first of all, know he played at Peterborough

He has played for Barnet but his first club was Derby. I've played against him many times when he got signed by Derby, he's got a pretty good goal ratio throughout the years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 11:04:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM

I still we will get the much fabled number 10 but in a way hope it's someone a bit stronger looking than Julies obsession.

Will Hughes is still my choice and he's got great upper body strength for his age, has the same thing Zidane did where he accelerates out of contact.  I also think this is the last window he'll be available for a none champions league club.

Of course Christian Eriksen hasn't gone anywhere yet, bit expensive but he's quality, could see if our 2 new danes (and the retired great one) can put in a good word, you never know he might like the idea.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 11:26:05 PM

Will Hughes does look a hell of a talent. Maybe something could be done with a couple of the bomb squad going there for 6 months with us still picking up much of their wage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2013, 12:12:50 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 11:04:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM

I still we will get the much fabled number 10 but in a way hope it's someone a bit stronger looking than Julies obsession.

Will Hughes is still my choice and he's got great upper body strength for his age, has the same thing Zidane did where he accelerates out of contact.  I also think this is the last window he'll be available for a none champions league club.

Of course Christian Eriksen hasn't gone anywhere yet, bit expensive but he's quality, could see if our 2 new danes (and the retired great one) can put in a good word, you never know he might like the idea.

Not sure he is a "number 10" type of player, but would be the type who could fit into our current flat three in midfield.  I'm not sure we really produce "number 10" type players in this country and are probably going to have to look abroad to get one.  Hoping the deal for the Japanese lad comes off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2013, 12:18:26 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2013, 12:12:50 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2013, 11:04:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM

I still we will get the much fabled number 10 but in a way hope it's someone a bit stronger looking than Julies obsession.

Will Hughes is still my choice and he's got great upper body strength for his age, has the same thing Zidane did where he accelerates out of contact.  I also think this is the last window he'll be available for a none champions league club.

Of course Christian Eriksen hasn't gone anywhere yet, bit expensive but he's quality, could see if our 2 new danes (and the retired great one) can put in a good word, you never know he might like the idea.

Not sure he is a "number 10" type of player, but would be the type who could fit into our current flat three in midfield.  I'm not sure we really produce "number 10" type players in this country and are probably going to have to look abroad to get one.  Hoping the deal for the Japanese lad comes off.

The only interest in the Japanese lad comes from the warped imagination of the Lake District.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 10, 2013, 12:27:39 AM

Lambert confirmed an interest at the fans forum though didn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2013, 12:29:57 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 10, 2013, 12:27:39 AM

Lambert confirmed an interest at the fans forum though didn't he?

A very, very tentative one some time ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2013, 12:33:03 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2013, 12:29:57 AM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 10, 2013, 12:27:39 AM

Lambert confirmed an interest at the fans forum though didn't he?

A very, very tentative one some time ago.

Which naturally equates to that we've made several bids, the last being £10m which has been rejected. Faulkner has been flying there every couple of days and keeping Julie abreast of the developments. She in turn has been authorised to let the heathen less privileged masses know that a deal is imminent by way of us activating a release clause. I think I have it right...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2013, 12:33:42 AM

Surely Will Hughes is one for the future like Carruthers, Grealish etc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2013, 08:06:19 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2013, 12:33:03 AM

..... a deal is imminent by way of us activating a release clause. I think I have it right...

Thank Julie!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 10, 2013, 09:16:25 AM

I think a player like Kiyotake is on Lambert's wish list though.  The tentative interest in him, the move for Dempsey last summer and trying to fit N'Zogbia in last season would all suggest this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on August 10, 2013, 11:06:42 AM

I think he will stick now, having said that Helenius and Weiman càn play the number 10 role, though having said that, Benteke came in late last year. If we do have a mare with the opening three matches i can see a deadline day deal or two.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 10, 2013, 12:01:38 PM

Quote from: jeowje on August 10, 2013, 11:06:42 AM

I think he will stick now, having said that Helenius and Weiman càn play the number 10 role, though having said that, Benteke came in late last year. If we do have a mare with the opening three matches i can see a deadline day deal or two.

Possibly. But the Benteke deal had actually dragged on a few weeks because Genk we're playing silly sods so it wasn't really a last minute thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 10, 2013, 12:05:07 PM

I think we will have another busy deadline day both incoming's and outgoings.
Ireland, Bannan, Bent will leave but jst feel it will be last minute.
One signing coming in same day too. Just a gut feeling

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2013, 03:23:43 PM

It makes some sense for any buying club to sign Bent/Hutton/Given late in the window. Their wages are such that every week of not paying them will help financially, not to mention it'll make Vilka more desperate to sell.

Equally the players have little motivation to leave as once completed they'll be on reduced wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on August 10, 2013, 10:35:03 PM

Being twitter linked with a lad named Ryad Boudebouz who plays for Sochaux. Attacking midfielder, 23yrs old and international for Algeria.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2013, 11:25:50 PM

Palace being heavily linked with Bent. I reckon with the season starting someone will take a punt on him this week.

Ireland and Given we need to just shift.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2013, 03:57:52 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 10, 2013, 11:25:50 PM

Palace being heavily linked with Bent. I reckon with the season starting someone will take a punt on him this week.

Ireland and Given we need to just shift.

Deal involving cash and Jonny Williams and we would be talking!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

who is Jonny Williams ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2013, 09:56:22 AM

Attacking midfielder, about nineteen or twenty, who they reckon will turn out to be better than Zaha.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ryu on August 11, 2013, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2013, 09:56:22 AM

Attacking midfielder, about nineteen or twenty, who they reckon will turn out to be better than Zaha.

My palace supporting mate rates him pretty highly and when I watched them in the playoffs he did look pretty handy.  He did seem to be the first sub whenever Golloway wanted to change it, though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 12:37:59 PM

if we rate him enough we should offer bannan, plus nathan and maybe 2 millions for him to Palace after completing deal for bent then we only got to get rid of Given, ireland and N'Zog.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: wookster on August 11, 2013, 02:24:56 PM

Quote from: Leighton on August 10, 2013, 10:35:03 PM

Being twitter linked with a lad named Ryad Boudebouz who plays for Sochaux..

Damn you, that surname has got Singing in The Rain stuck in me head now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2013, 02:40:30 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 12:37:59 PM

if we rate him enough we should offer bannan, plus nathan and maybe 2 millions for him to Palace after completing deal for bent then we only got to get rid of Given, ireland and N'Zog.
 

The price for Bent should be £6m, or £4m if you take Ireland as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on August 11, 2013, 02:46:21 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2013, 02:40:30 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 12:37:59 PM

if we rate him enough we should offer bannan, plus nathan and maybe 2 millions for him to Palace after completing deal for bent then we only got to get rid of Given, ireland and N'Zog.
 

The price for Bent should be £6m, or £4m if you take Ireland as well.

No, we'll give them £4m to take Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2013, 02:47:46 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 11, 2013, 02:46:21 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2013, 02:40:30 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 12:37:59 PM

if we rate him enough we should offer bannan, plus nathan and maybe 2 millions for him to Palace after completing deal for bent then we only got to get rid of Given, ireland and N'Zog.
 

The price for Bent should be £6m, or £4m if you take Ireland as well.

No, we'll give them £4m to take Ireland.

Fine by me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 04:21:46 PM

or 5 million for Ireland, Bannan, Bent, Hutton, Given and Nathan. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2013, 04:22:32 PM

I'm hoping we've got a 30-game dossier on Malaga's Polish number 19.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2013, 04:38:52 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2013, 04:22:32 PM

I'm hoping we've got a 30-game dossier on Malaga's Polish number 19.

Looks good. Cheap alternative to Kiyote perhaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 11, 2013, 04:21:46 PM

or 5 million for Ireland, Bannan, Bent, Hutton, Given and Nathan. 

Bit optimistic there Salsa! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2013, 04:42:00 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2013, 04:22:32 PM

I'm hoping we've got a 30-game dossier on Malaga's Polish number 19.

I've raved about him on both the Malaga and Luna threads. Tore us apart and he's only 20 (21 in a few months).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2013, 04:59:50 PM

Mirror

Quote

Eagles boss Ian ­Holloway hopes to hijack Fulham’s bid to land out-of-favour Bent from Aston Villa as he looks to recruit a ­proven Premier League goalscorer ahead of ­Palace’s return to the ­top flight.

The Londoners have agreed ­personal terms with Bent, 29, and are now hoping that Villa will lower their £6million asking price so that a deal can be done.

Bent, who has made four moves, totalling £47m, since starting his career at Ipswich, was banished to the Villa Park sidelines for long periods last ­season after falling out of favour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on August 11, 2013, 05:31:53 PM

As I said on Twitter, why agree terms if you can't afford the fee? If you don't want to pay our asking price, then don't waste Bent's time!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2013, 05:51:57 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on August 11, 2013, 05:31:53 PM

As I said on Twitter, why agree terms if you can't afford the fee? If you don't want to pay our asking price, then don't waste Bent's time!

I think that's the way transfers are done these days - ask to talk to player, agree personal terms, do the purchase deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: neo_Villan on August 11, 2013, 06:15:06 PM

I suppose so. It's Bent I feel sorry for though. Getting his hopes up that a move is imminent, only to piss about with the fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2013, 06:20:58 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

I would just love someone involved with the club to come out and publicly state this line word for word.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: kipeye on August 11, 2013, 06:35:13 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

:)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2013, 07:07:44 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2013, 06:20:58 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

I would just love someone involved with the club to come out and publicly state this line word for word.

Didn't another manager do that a couple of seasons' ago? ... some gobby short-arse from Blackpool, IIRC.

Nah, I must be mistaken.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2013, 07:11:02 PM

Quote from: Mister E on August 11, 2013, 07:07:44 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2013, 06:20:58 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

I would just love someone involved with the club to come out and publicly state this line word for word.

Didn't another manager do that a couple of seasons' ago? ... some gobby short-arse from Blackpool, IIRC.

Nah, I must be mistaken.

That's why it would be so brilliant for Lambert or Faulkner to come out and say it. I know business is business, but I'd much prefer the club to be childish and petty where that wanker is concerned

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 11, 2013, 07:17:05 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

This.
100%

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2013, 07:44:45 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 11, 2013, 07:17:05 PM

Quote from: CJ on August 11, 2013, 06:14:49 PM

Why should we sell Bent to a half-arsed manager who used to be famous?

This.
100%

Or even to a half-arsed club that didn't even used to be famous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2013, 07:55:12 PM

Jack and Vera Duckworth took in the odd game when visiting young Tommy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2013, 08:01:02 PM

Quote from: Ryu on August 11, 2013, 10:02:16 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 11, 2013, 09:56:22 AM

Attacking midfielder, about nineteen or twenty, who they reckon will turn out to be better than Zaha.

My palace supporting mate rates him pretty highly and when I watched them in the playoffs he did look pretty handy.  He did seem to be the first sub whenever Golloway wanted to change it, though.

Jonny is a very good prospect. Two footed and has the rare footballing 'brain'. Sadly he's a bit injury prone and i think right now what he needs more than anything is an injury free season and plenty of games under his belt. Its going to be hard to show his skills in a struggling side mind.

I can't help but feel he'd be better off at a club like us or say Swansea. But i for him it's all about the football and he loves it at Palace, having been there since he was 8.

Really hope Palace don't suffer too much this season for him more than anything

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2013, 08:27:52 PM

Bent going to Palace shows a bit of desperation on his behalf. I know the lad just wants to play first team football but Crystal Palace!! He is sooo much better than that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2013, 09:34:48 PM

Quote from: neo_Villan on August 11, 2013, 06:15:06 PM

I suppose so. It's Bent I feel sorry for though. Getting his hopes up that a move is imminent, only to piss about with the fee.

I hope we are getting the best deal possible for us. If I was Bent I'd be making sure the buying club knew what Villa's fee was ans not to start negotiating with him unless they could pay it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2013, 09:39:01 PM

Teams shouldn't piss about with Bent, he's excellent value and will guarantee them goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2013, 10:19:30 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2013, 09:39:01 PM

Teams shouldn't piss about with Bent, he's excellent value and will guarantee them goals.

With Fulham seemingly fannying around, someone are gonna get a leg up on them and they might regret it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2013, 10:59:10 PM

For £6million i'm shocked there aren't a few clubs battling for his signature. He's a bargain at that price for the right side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 11, 2013, 11:09:44 PM

 Talking of palace Reise Allassani will be as good as Zaha or Williams or Moses

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 11, 2013, 11:13:05 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2013, 10:59:10 PM

For £6million i'm shocked there aren't a few clubs battling for his signature. He's a bargain at that price for the right side.

6 mill for a player that is worth double is shamefull. He will score goals wherever he goes. Infact, rather than get insulted by shite offers for him, lets keep him and play him. Play him centre mid in som games. Still got the chance for a shot on goal, still involved with play. Just an idea before i get nailed to a plank of wood. :o































Darren Bent is a top class Striker and deserves to be treated as so

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2013, 11:50:38 PM

Centre-midfield? He can't do half the things a centre-forward is supposed to do, never mind centre-mid. He's rubbish at everything but scoring goals. Doesn't create anything, can't pass, rarely, runs the channels,, rarely drifts wide, and if he does either of those things, does nothing if he receives the ball in those areas, can't hold the ball up due to a terrible touch with his back to goal, rarely wins flick-ons. As I said ages ago, for 18 million quid I thought we'd get someone who can score goals AND play football.

I know people think I don't like him, but I just think I see his limitations.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on August 11, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

Ryad Boudebouz? According to the Daily Mail, we were watching him play for Sochaux . 23 y/o winger, Algerian international

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2013, 11:59:03 PM

We don't know if Bent is a top class striker now though, he's barely played  for 18months.  £6m is a fair price for a 29year old who's suffered with a lot of injuries.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2013, 02:49:16 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2013, 11:59:03 PM

We don't know if Bent is a top class striker now though, he's barely played  for 18months.  £6m is a fair price for a 29year old who's suffered with a lot of injuries.

He is crocked, that's why the fee and a lack of takers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2013, 03:28:44 AM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2013, 02:49:16 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2013, 11:59:03 PM

We don't know if Bent is a top class striker now though, he's barely played  for 18months.  £6m is a fair price for a 29year old who's suffered with a lot of injuries.

He is crocked, that's why the fee and a lack of takers

That's my guess too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 12, 2013, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2013, 03:28:44 AM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2013, 02:49:16 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2013, 11:59:03 PM

We don't know if Bent is a top class striker now though, he's barely played  for 18months.  £6m is a fair price for a 29year old who's suffered with a lot of injuries.

He is crocked, that's why the fee and a lack of takers

That's my guess too.

I also think most teams have adopted a new approach to football. The modern game has game caught up with the UK, with more and more teams playing from the back and passing it around.
It is quite ironic that Bent would suit MON perfectly, both characters have passed each other by both being at Sunderland and us!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 08:38:10 AM

Quote from: Ian J on August 12, 2013, 07:27:44 AM

I also think most teams have adopted a new approach to football. The modern game has game caught up with the UK, with more and more teams playing from the back and passing it around.
It is quite ironic that Bent would suit MON perfectly, both characters have passed each other by both being at Sunderland and us!

That's why I think he's best suited to one of the promoted teams.  They're unlikely to dominate possession so that aspect of his game will not be exposed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2013, 09:46:35 AM

If he's fully fit I still think there's room for him at a team with a strong midfield.  The issue is he doesn't do enough when you don't have possession so you have to tailor your side around him, no established premier league team will want to do that but a team coming up and looking for a goal scorer, or a team looking to halt a slide down the league by adding some goals would be interested.  I reckon that gives a list of, feasibly, 6-7 teams that he'd be a good signing for, but only if he's fit and only if he' willing to lose a bit in wages to make it happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 12, 2013, 10:51:00 AM

Quote from: Ian J on August 12, 2013, 07:27:44 AM

Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2013, 03:28:44 AM

Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2013, 02:49:16 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 11, 2013, 11:59:03 PM

We don't know if Bent is a top class striker now though, he's barely played  for 18months.  £6m is a fair price for a 29year old who's suffered with a lot of injuries.

He is crocked, that's why the fee and a lack of takers

That's my guess too.

I also think most teams have adopted a new approach to football. The modern game has game caught up with the UK, with more and more teams playing from the back and passing it around.
It is quite ironic that Bent would suit MON perfectly, both characters have passed each other by both being at Sunderland and us!

I think the reasons you give are why neither of them are particularly in demand any more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2013, 10:54:31 AM

Quote from: johnny from donny on August 11, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

Ryad Boudebouz? According to the Daily Mail, we were watching him play for Sochaux . 23 y/o winger, Algerian international

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2389521/Aston-Villa-scouts-watch-Sochaux-winger-Ryad-Boudebouz.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 12, 2013, 01:42:20 PM

Another winger?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Wonder if there is anything on the deleted Helenius tweet about his friend coming and being sure he will like Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2013, 02:10:27 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Wonder if there is anything on the deleted Helenius tweet about his friend coming and being sure he will like Villa.

I saw something about this earlier. Think is name was Mathias Wichmann.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2013, 02:12:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Wonder if there is anything on the deleted Helenius tweet about his friend coming and being sure he will like Villa.

His agent says he's just got a friend coming over to visit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 12, 2013, 02:12:58 PM

Wichmann is a playmaker. And other than that I know nothing about him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 12, 2013, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2013, 02:12:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Wonder if there is anything on the deleted Helenius tweet about his friend coming and being sure he will like Villa.

His agent says he's just got a friend coming over to visit.

Does the Danish football calendar follow ours?  Seems a very strange time, as in the height of pre-season, to be taking time off to travel abroad for a jolly if it does!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villasjf on August 12, 2013, 04:36:09 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

Dont you mean Jozy Altidore ? only joking

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

He's usually/often available for that gap between the MLS seasons. So we could easily pick him up for a few months if we want to try and play a #10 for a period with minimum cost.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2013, 04:54:29 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

He's usually/often available for that gap between the MLS seasons. So we could easily pick him up for a few months if we want to try and play a #10 for a period with minimum cost.

Could we do that easily? Isn't it far more likely that he would do that at ManYoo or Everton rather than with us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on August 12, 2013, 04:59:41 PM

Donovan would be 3-4 years too late, he's already past his prime.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2013, 05:00:17 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

A poor mans Kevin Kilbane...

sign him up!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2013, 05:54:48 PM

A poor man's Kevin Kilbane would be his lookalike The Cable Guy. Zinedine Kilbane was muck.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 07:01:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2013, 04:54:29 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

He's usually/often available for that gap between the MLS seasons. So we could easily pick him up for a few months if we want to try and play a #10 for a period with minimum cost.

Could we do that easily? Isn't it far more likely that he would do that at ManYoo or Everton rather than with us?

Good point, "easily" is probably not the right word but, he's probably not good enough for Man U nowadays and there's less reason to return to Everton now the manager's gone.  I think it would be a good possibility if we were interested as we're the right size club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on August 12, 2013, 07:22:32 PM

Edit: Post in wrong thread.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2013, 07:56:15 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 07:01:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2013, 04:54:29 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

He's usually/often available for that gap between the MLS seasons. So we could easily pick him up for a few months if we want to try and play a #10 for a period with minimum cost.

Could we do that easily? Isn't it far more likely that he would do that at ManYoo or Everton rather than with us?

Good point, "easily" is probably not the right word but, he's probably not good enough for Man U nowadays and there's less reason to return to Everton now the manager's gone.  I think it would be a good possibility if we were interested as we're the right size club.

I don't think that ManYoo would have any problems taking him for a couple of months, even if it were just to raise their profile further in the US.

Moyes clearly likes him and it's not as if their fans like any of their current wide players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2013, 08:28:27 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 12, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

After watching the MLS highlights I'd like us to sign Landon Donovan.

He's usually/often available for that gap between the MLS seasons. So we could easily pick him up for a few months if we want to try and play a #10 for a period with minimum cost.

Dempsey will also be available in that window this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 12, 2013, 09:10:29 PM

Moyes liked Donovan when in charge of money too tight to mention Everton. The chances of him going after him with the resources of one of the worlds biggest sporting 'brands' at his disposal are next to zero I reckon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

Jeeze - that's a good point.  A few years ago there were very few players that would turn down Man U, or more to the point you'd certainly not hear about it with Ferguson in charge.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2013, 09:29:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

Jeeze - that's a good point.  A few years ago there were very few players that would turn down Man U, or more to the point you'd certainly not hear about it with Ferguson in charge.

Over the years they've had very public and very unsuccessful pursuits of Ronaldinho, Robben, Mikel, Shearer and others.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 12, 2013, 09:42:05 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 12, 2013, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 12, 2013, 02:12:05 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM

Wonder if there is anything on the deleted Helenius tweet about his friend coming and being sure he will like Villa.

His agent says he's just got a friend coming over to visit.

Does the Danish football calendar follow ours?  Seems a very strange time, as in the height of pre-season, to be taking time off to travel abroad for a jolly if it does!

Danish season already in full swing, 4th weekend just completed. Aab doing alright, but haven't paid too much attention to them. Having too much fun watching FCK implode.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2013, 09:59:36 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

why ?  they have the awesome Tom Cleverley ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:22:24 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2013, 09:59:36 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

why ?  they have the awesome Tom Cleverley ;)

Most over rated footballer in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 12, 2013, 10:23:56 PM

No, that's Carrick. So they have the top 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:49:17 PM

Carrick just occasionally looks useful though. Cleverly just always looks average and then gets in the England team etc. In fact, a lot of the United side would not get near the City or Chelsea 11. I am amazed Moyes has not tried to get 4-5 really good young 15 million ish players into that squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:56:15 PM

Oh and there are some quotes from the Boudebouz fella that if we make an offer he would seriously consider it. Apparently was close to going to Inter, and watching clips of him he has incredibly quick feet. Looks a good player for 2.5 million if we get him for that sort of fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 10:58:21 PM

By their standards of the last 20 years, this is a really shit squad. Watch them win the double or something now i've said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2013, 10:58:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:56:15 PM

Oh and there are some quotes from the Boudebouz fella that if we make an offer he would seriously consider it. Apparently was close to going to Inter, and watching clips of him he has incredibly quick feet. Looks a good player for 2.5 million if we get him for that sort of fee.

Is he right or left footed? Have to wonder whether Albrighton's continued injury problems are making Lambert consider making an addition to the bomb squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 11:01:00 PM

Looking at it a bit more, it's a scarily old and injury prone squad. No wonder Fergie bailed, that is going to take some rebuilding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 11:01:54 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 12, 2013, 10:58:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:56:15 PM

Oh and there are some quotes from the Boudebouz fella that if we make an offer he would seriously consider it. Apparently was close to going to Inter, and watching clips of him he has incredibly quick feet. Looks a good player for 2.5 million if we get him for that sort of fee.

Is he right or left footed? Have to wonder whether Albrighton's continued injury problems are making Lambert consider making an addition to the bomb squad.

He's out of contract next summer so make or break for him with us this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 11:13:29 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 12, 2013, 10:58:56 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 12, 2013, 10:56:15 PM

Oh and there are some quotes from the Boudebouz fella that if we make an offer he would seriously consider it. Apparently was close to going to Inter, and watching clips of him he has incredibly quick feet. Looks a good player for 2.5 million if we get him for that sort of fee.

Is he right or left footed? Have to wonder whether Albrighton's continued injury problems are making Lambert consider making an addition to the bomb squad.

Hard to tell from the youtube thingy I just watched (probably right).  I assume 99.9% of the time he gets muscled off the ball as the clips shown make he look absolutely mustard.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 12, 2013, 11:15:48 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 10:58:21 PM

By their standards of the last 20 years, this is a really shit squad. Watch them win the double or something now i've said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad

They will win fuck all. We will win everything, so there. :P

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 11:20:58 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 11:01:00 PM

Looking at it a bit more, it's a scarily old and injury prone squad. No wonder Fergie bailed, that is going to take some rebuilding.

I had never considered the RVP signing from that perspective before.  In hindsight it does look like a signing which would guarantee Ferguson a league title yet leave the cub with a big contract to pay for x years beyond his departure (ferguson).

On the flip side Jones, Smalling, Gea and the De Silva brothers are probably his legacy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2013, 11:21:42 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 11:01:00 PM

Looking at it a bit more, it's a scarily old and injury prone squad. No wonder Fergie bailed, that is going to take some rebuilding.

Hoping this will be the season we end our bad run at home against them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2013, 12:14:22 AM

The quality of their younger players is not a patch on what you would expect for a side like that. They need some serious investment between sort of 22 and 26 if they are going to be competitive at the top level. I can see them struggling for top 4 if Van Persie got injured at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2013, 08:07:49 AM

I see huge simalarities with the double winning side that Dalgliesh bailed on in the early 90's. He knew that the mainstay of that team (Nichol / Hansen / Rush / Johnstone et al) all need replacing and a huge amount of surgery was needed. He bottled it. When Souness went in he cut too deep and they never really came back to what they were

Really hope Fergie saw this and jumped  - nothing would give me more pleasure than the "I've supported United since they won stuff" nouvelle fans start moaning

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ger Regan on August 13, 2013, 08:28:13 AM

I think hillsborough was as big a reason for dalglish's departure than any bottling of a rebuilding job.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2013, 08:53:56 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 10:58:21 PM

By their standards of the last 20 years, this is a really shit squad. Watch them win the double or something now i've said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad

I didn't think their squad was amazing last year and yet they wont he league at a canter. Their forward line was very good (apart from Welbeck), but other than that dross across the park.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 08:58:25 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2013, 08:07:49 AM

I see huge simalarities with the double winning side that Dalgliesh bailed on in the early 90's. He knew that the mainstay of that team (Nichol / Hansen / Rush / Johnstone et al) all need replacing and a huge amount of surgery was needed. He bottled it. When Souness went in he cut too deep and they never really came back to what they were

Really hope Fergie saw this and jumped  - nothing would give me more pleasure than the "I've supported United since they won stuff" nouvelle fans start moaning

They won't moan, they'll just switch allegiance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on August 13, 2013, 09:08:54 AM

Does anybody else think that with the BBC sport department moving to Manchester, there seems to be even more of a love in with Utd?

On another note, it will be interesting to see if there is any change in attitudes by referees this season now that they will not have to feel the wrath of Fergie.  Will there be more yellows issued, maybe resulting in sendings off or accumulated suspensions, or even some penalties awarded against them?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 09:12:35 AM

I realise that you're unlikely to read players bad mouthing Ferguson when he retired but what strick me was how many players genuinely seemed to believe that he raised their game by a considerable percentage.  Take that away and the downward momentum and pressure which could build and Moyes has got a very tough job.


From memory this was a particularly good read:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/11/secret-footballer-alex-ferguson-legend

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on August 13, 2013, 09:14:59 AM

Their home support will be able plan their travel home to Hertfordshire knowing a 90 minute game will be 90 minutes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 13, 2013, 09:38:21 AM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on August 13, 2013, 08:53:56 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2013, 10:58:21 PM

By their standards of the last 20 years, this is a really shit squad. Watch them win the double or something now i've said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.#First-team_squad

I didn't think their squad was amazing last year and yet they wont he league at a canter. Their forward line was very good (apart from Welbeck), but other than that dross across the park.

I think that was in part down to Fergies ability to get the most out of his players. Largely it was also an indication of the decline of the Premier League. There was only ever one team in it last season and take away RVP, and they were average. If Van Persie was still in his 20's I think he'd be at a better club now. Either Real, Barca or one of the Italian giants perhaps.

I'll be very interested to see what happens now with Utd. Moyes is good but can he get enough out of them. City are a hodge podge of mercs so it depends how Pelligrini handles that. Chelsea have to be fancied with Jose back. Arsenal are always 2-3 signings from being a title challenger again, but will they make those signings?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2013, 10:09:46 AM

Quote from: fredm on August 13, 2013, 09:08:54 AM

Does anybody else think that with the BBC sport department moving to Manchester, there seems to be even more of a love in with Utd?

Was there ever any question of them moving to Brum?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 13, 2013, 10:19:16 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2013, 09:29:33 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2013, 08:30:42 PM

It would be funny if after chasing Thiago, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Bale, Pele, Cruyff etc the only signing Moyes makes is Landon Donovan.

Jeeze - that's a good point.  A few years ago there were very few players that would turn down Man U, or more to the point you'd certainly not hear about it with Ferguson in charge.

Over the years they've had very public and very unsuccessful pursuits of Ronaldinho, Robben, Mikel, Shearer and others.

Mark Lawrenson, Charlie Nicholas, Paul Walsh, Gazza. At least they got Alan Brazil at the second attempt. As for the coming season, I don't think they will get away with conceding so many goals and going behind in games so often as they did last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 10:29:39 AM

Man Utd's squad has been far from the best in the league for a while now.  What they have had is the know how and experience to close a title out at the business end of the season, a great level of consistency and the Fergie factor.  Plus every single decision going for them, of course!

Player for player, they're no better than Arsenal, IMO.

I think they'll be 3rd at worst next season, but if him going has also lost them the other edges they had over their competition, then the only way they'll have to get back to the top of the pile is to spend like crazy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 10:32:32 AM

Chamakh joins Palace on a 1 year loan. Hopefully Bent will join him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 10:34:54 AM

And going back to Manure, look at their squad and then decide how many you would want. Not that many for me as many their obvious players for our weak spots are old and/or injury prone. Even RVP, would you have him instead of Benteke?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2013, 10:57:39 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 09:12:35 AM

From memory this was a particularly good read:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/11/secret-footballer-alex-ferguson-legend

Interesting. Especially this part:

Quote

The greatest trick Ferguson ever pulled was convincing his contemporaries that they should be grateful to him while he weakened their own chance of success. I remember one of my managers waving a bound A4 booklet in the air during a team meeting and saying: "I've phoned Alex up and he's sent me United's scouting report (on Chelsea, who we were playing that weekend)." He seemed blissfully unaware that if Fergie was doing it for him, then in all likelihood he was probably doing it for everyone else, too. The problem was that our manager refused to see past the fact that, in his eyes, Ferguson had done him a personal favour.

Sounds a bit like the time he recommended the shittest manager in the world to a rival club's chairman, who swallowed it like an idiot and even publicised it because he thought the old bastard was doing it out of pure, unadulterated altruism.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2013, 11:12:17 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 10:32:32 AM

Chamakh joins Palace on a 1 year loan. Hopefully Bent will join him.

There's talk of him going out on loan. Would this a bad thing? He goes to somewhere like Palace, he has a really good season and we get a bit more for him when we do sell. Mind you, i'd still be happy to have him on our bench.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 13, 2013, 11:30:05 AM

Quote from: fredm on August 13, 2013, 09:08:54 AM

On another note, it will be interesting to see if there is any change in attitudes by referees this season now that they will not have to feel the wrath of Fergie.  Will there be more yellows issued, maybe resulting in sendings off or accumulated suspensions, or even some penalties awarded against them?

I saw some evidence of this when watching the highlights of the charity shield. I thought the ref let a lot more go than they normally would of if Ferguson was still there, hopefully the refs wont fear the consequences of giving decisions against them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2013, 11:41:25 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 13, 2013, 11:12:17 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 10:32:32 AM

Chamakh joins Palace on a 1 year loan. Hopefully Bent will join him.

There's talk of him going out on loan. Would this a bad thing? He goes to somewhere like Palace, he has a really good season and we get a bit more for him when we do sell. Mind you, i'd still be happy to have him on our bench.

Depends if they pay a loan fee and a substantial percentage of his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 13, 2013, 12:07:25 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 09:12:35 AM

I realise that you're unlikely to read players bad mouthing Ferguson when he retired but what strick me was how many players genuinely seemed to believe that he raised their game by a considerable percentage.  Take that away and the downward momentum and pressure which could build and Moyes has got a very tough job.


From memory this was a particularly good read:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/11/secret-footballer-alex-ferguson-legend

thanks for that, good article
i hate fergie so it goes against the grain to read positive things about him,
 
but it just goes to show, the little things somtimes personal things that people do unoticed have a bigger effect very often than the big show,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 13, 2013, 12:17:52 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 10:34:54 AM

And going back to Manure, look at their squad and then decide how many you would want. Not that many for me as many their obvious players for our weak spots are old and/or injury prone. Even RVP, would you have him instead of Benteke?

Now come on.
Off the top of my head, Vidic, Jones, Carrick, Young, Valencia, RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Evra, Hernandez. I actually rate Fletcher, and Smalling too.

I take your point re injury prone, and yes, they are weaker than they have been, but let's not kid ourselves.

Another way of looking at it is who have we got that could play for them. Benteke and Lowton are the only ones IMO, and that's only because they don't seem to have a recognised right back. Maybe Westwood.

I am excited about our players mind, and quietly confident about the season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 12:30:55 PM

Vidic 32 soon and hardly played the last 2 years through injury. No thanks.
RVP over Benteke? No thanks.
Phil Jones, maybe as a squad player, for £16mill or whatever it was they paid for him, no thanks.
Carrick 32, i'll stick with Westwood and Delph.
Young, injured or crap for the last 18 months. The Young of 4 or 5 years ago i'd have back like a shot, the current Young, i'm not so sure.
Hernandez, maybe but I prefer with Weimann
Fletcher and Smalling are no better than what we have.

So that leaves Rooney, Kagawa, Valencia and Evra. As I said, not many for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 12:55:37 PM

On a different note I see Downing has joined the dildo boys, I trust we had a sell on clause

ha ha ha ha ha   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 13, 2013, 12:58:33 PM

Hmm. I really love our squad at the moment, but  think the Villa tinted specs might be on there PWS.

Your point was about being in our squad, and all of those I mentioned I would have in our squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on August 13, 2013, 01:00:30 PM

Don't Liverpool still owe us some money for Downing?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 01:00:32 PM

Actually I said how many of their squad would you want. I want 4. Which is the correct answer. For me.
You may want 10. Which is the correct answer for you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 13, 2013, 01:03:09 PM

Valencia is a shadow of the player he was two years ago.

Rooney has eaten the shadow of the player he was two years ago

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 13, 2013, 01:07:30 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 12:55:37 PM

On a different note I see Downing has joined the dildo boys, I trust we had a sell on clause

ha ha ha ha ha   

I hope not! It might mean we have to share a percentage of the loss they have made on him! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 01:11:17 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2013, 01:07:30 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 12:55:37 PM

On a different note I see Downing has joined the dildo boys, I trust we had a sell on clause

ha ha ha ha ha   

I hope not! It might mean we have to share a percentage of the loss they have made on him! 

net loss on carroll and downing 35 million but Kenny will never walk alone 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:12:02 PM

Liverpool probably still owe us more than they will get from the grumble wranglers for the weasel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 13, 2013, 01:12:44 PM

Of course. It's all opinion. FWIW I don't think they will be anywhere near the title this year. Chelsea and City will be miles better this year. They will fight out 3rd and 4th with North London and maybe red scouse. I actually think 6th is acheivable for us if we stay injury free and get a good start. At the very least I hope we are well clear of the relegation crap for a change

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 01:13:32 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:12:02 PM

Liverpool probably still owe us more than they will get from the grumble wranglers for the weasel.

£5mill is the figure mentioned that West Ham are paying.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:14:45 PM

Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 01:15:35 PM

Quote from: glasses on August 13, 2013, 01:12:44 PM

Of course. It's all opinion. FWIW I don't think they will be anywhere near the title this year. Chelsea and City will be miles better this year. They will fight out 3rd and 4th with North London and maybe red scouse. I actually think 6th is acheivable for us if we stay injury free and get a good start. At the very least I hope we are well clear of the relegation crap for a change

If Spurs keep Bale I wouldn't be totally shocked if Manure failed to finish in the top 4. Which would be very funny.

Likewise, with a good following wind, especially with injuries which we are due a bit of luck with, I too wouldn't count out 6th or 7th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 13, 2013, 01:18:15 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:14:45 PM

Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

It depends on the animal staying and getting his head down. He is a jolly good player when he wants to be. Awful human being mind. It was top six i was getting at anyway, with 3rd/4th being between Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, and outside chance Liverpool. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 01:22:02 PM

Quote from: glasses on August 13, 2013, 01:18:15 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:14:45 PM

Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

It depends on the animal staying and getting his head down. He is a jolly good player when he wants to be. Awful human being mind. It was top six i was getting at anyway, with 3rd/4th being between Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, and outside chance Liverpool. 

i prefer goofy racist , he  gives animals a bad name

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 13, 2013, 01:23:47 PM

It's difficult to appropriately name him. He gives goofy racist people a bad name

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 01:25:34 PM

Personally I prefer Goofy racist cheating piece of shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 01:45:53 PM

Similar to RVP and Man Utd, Suarez (I'm gonna go with contemptable piece of shit?) bangs in enough goals that he raised them up a level.  Without him they'll finish lower than last season, unless them sell him soon and re-invest the money well.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on August 13, 2013, 01:45:55 PM

What money on Fergie coming back into the dugout in Feb - should the wheels fall off.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on August 13, 2013, 01:57:42 PM

Quote from: TonyD on August 13, 2013, 01:45:55 PM

What money on Fergie coming back into the dugout in Feb - should the wheels fall off.   

Probably before. I can imagine anytime ManUre are losing at home the camera is homed in on Fergie "I wonder what he is making of this" from the commentator... as thry did with KKKing Kenny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:21:34 PM

He doesn't strike me as a man that changes his mind, so I doubt he'll come back in the manager's chair.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 13, 2013, 02:31:21 PM

Maybe if it goes wrong they can bring Joe Kinnear in as a director of football. He'll be out of work by Feb too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 02:41:18 PM

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Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

Watching BT Sport preview of the Premier League last night was cringeworthy. It was awash with ex Liverpool players (James, McManaman, Owen) all trying to hoodwink us that Liverpool had the best midfield outside the top two and could be top 4 come May.

They also seemed to bang on interminably about the fact their net spend this summer is negligible. Completely failing to mention that previous summers they've wasted millions and millions on the Carolls, Hendersons, Downings.

In fact it got so ridiculous that they seemed to be painting the release of one of the best keepers int he world (Reina) for a second-rate replacement (Mignolet) as being one of progress.

All very bizarre.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 13, 2013, 02:44:47 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 02:41:18 PM

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Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

Watching BT Sport preview of the Premier League last night was cringeworthy. It was awash with ex Liverpool players (James, McManaman, Owen) all trying to hoodwink us that Liverpool had the best midfield outside the top two and could be top 4 come May.

They also seemed to bang on interminably about the fact their net spend this summer is negligible. Completely failing to mention that previous summers they've wasted millions and millions on the Carolls, Hendersons, Downings.

In fact it got so ridiculous that they seemed to be painting the release of one of the best keepers int he world (Reina) for a second-rate replacement (Mignolet) as being one of progress.

All very bizarre.

I noticed none of the tossers predicted we would finish much past 15 , we will show them .......14th

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 13, 2013, 02:50:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:21:34 PM

He doesn't strike me as a man that changes his mind, so I doubt he'll come back in the manager's chair.

Apart from when he initally said he was going to retire, then changed his mind?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:53:12 PM

Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 13, 2013, 02:50:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:21:34 PM

He doesn't strike me as a man that changes his mind, so I doubt he'll come back in the manager's chair.

Apart from when he initally said he was going to retire, then changed his mind?

Good point well made. 

However, given the length he has stayed on since then, I do wonder exactaly how genuine that was and if there was behind the scenes things we don't know about going on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on August 13, 2013, 03:01:00 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:53:12 PM

Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on August 13, 2013, 02:50:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 02:21:34 PM

He doesn't strike me as a man that changes his mind, so I doubt he'll come back in the manager's chair.

Apart from when he initally said he was going to retire, then changed his mind?

Good point well made. 

However, given the length he has stayed on since then, I do wonder exactaly how genuine that was and if there was behind the scenes things we don't know about going on.

Liverpool added another European trophy so he had to try to beat Clough and Shankly again. Everyone saying Fergie will reappear as manager if Moyes is doing badly haven't considered he might reappear as manager if Moyes gets them to a Euro final again to claim the glory.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 02:41:18 PM

Quote

Can't see Liverpool being anywhere near the top 5 to be honest.

Watching BT Sport preview of the Premier League last night was cringeworthy. It was awash with ex Liverpool players (James, McManaman, Owen) all trying to hoodwink us that Liverpool had the best midfield outside the top two and could be top 4 come May.

They also seemed to bang on interminably about the fact their net spend this summer is negligible. Completely failing to mention that previous summers they've wasted millions and millions on the Carolls, Hendersons, Downings.

In fact it got so ridiculous that they seemed to be painting the release of one of the best keepers int he world (Reina) for a second-rate replacement (Mignolet) as being one of progress.

All very bizarre.

It's not all that bizarre when you consider how boringly predictable them bigging up their old club is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 03:35:13 PM

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It's not all that bizarre when you consider how boringly predictable them bigging up their old club is.

True enough.

Just bizarre in the sense that I thought BT Sport was going to be a brave new footballing world that would have Sky quaking in their boots. Or at least thats what the advertising and hype said. And then they signed up Michael Owen. *Sigh*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 13, 2013, 03:51:06 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2013, 01:13:32 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on August 13, 2013, 01:12:02 PM

Liverpool probably still owe us more than they will get from the grumble wranglers for the weasel.

£5mill is the figure mentioned that West Ham are paying.

A bloke who bottles out of tackles. I'm sure he will go down REALLY well in the East End of London...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Eckybloke on August 13, 2013, 03:52:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 01:45:53 PM

Similar to RVP and Man Utd, Suarez (I'm gonna go with contemptable piece of shit?) bangs in enough goals that he raised them up a level.  Without him they'll finish lower than last season, unless them sell him soon and re-invest the money well.   

What would make my transfer window, would be them selling the goofy, racist, cheating scumbag at about 8 o'clock on deadline day evening and then scrabbling about spunking their money on duds like the Torres transfer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 04:20:14 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on August 13, 2013, 03:52:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 01:45:53 PM

Similar to RVP and Man Utd, Suarez (I'm gonna go with contemptable piece of shit?) bangs in enough goals that he raised them up a level.  Without him they'll finish lower than last season, unless them sell him soon and re-invest the money well.   

What would make my transfer window, would be them selling the goofy, racist, cheating scumbag at about 8 o'clock on deadline day evening and then scrabbling about spunking their money on duds like the Torres transfer.

I'll go you one better - they sell him when you say and then ask for Bent.  We quote them £20m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2013, 04:40:27 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 04:20:14 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on August 13, 2013, 03:52:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 01:45:53 PM

Similar to RVP and Man Utd, Suarez (I'm gonna go with contemptable piece of shit?) bangs in enough goals that he raised them up a level.  Without him they'll finish lower than last season, unless them sell him soon and re-invest the money well.   

What would make my transfer window, would be them selling the goofy, racist, cheating scumbag at about 8 o'clock on deadline day evening and then scrabbling about spunking their money on duds like the Torres transfer.

I'll go you one better - they sell him when you say and then ask for Bent.  We quote them £20m.

And they bite our hand off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnc on August 13, 2013, 04:43:12 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 13, 2013, 04:40:27 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 04:20:14 PM

Quote from: Eckybloke on August 13, 2013, 03:52:13 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 01:45:53 PM

Similar to RVP and Man Utd, Suarez (I'm gonna go with contemptable piece of shit?) bangs in enough goals that he raised them up a level.  Without him they'll finish lower than last season, unless them sell him soon and re-invest the money well.   

What would make my transfer window, would be them selling the goofy, racist, cheating scumbag at about 8 o'clock on deadline day evening and then scrabbling about spunking their money on duds like the Torres transfer.

I'll go you one better - they sell him when you say and then ask for Bent.  We quote them £20m.

And they bite our hand off.

They are not that daft. We would have to throw Ireland in as well. Them scousers know how to drive a hard bargain

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on August 13, 2013, 04:43:29 PM

Anyone think that if Real pull out of buying Bale, Utd might go and get him for say £80 million plus Hashley Young ? They then could step in and resolve the Suarez to Arsenal issue as well and offload some other rubbish to Liverpool - ie I can see Liverpool being more willing to sell him to Utd than to their 'direct competitors' for 4th ? I think Baines will be there for 20 million very soon.

This of course assumes that Utd have about 150 million in spare cash down the back of the sofa, but with the addition of those 2 they would surely pip those light blues and the fops from West London to the Premiership title.

What does it matter to Villa ? Well, a weakened Spurs, Pool and Arsenal all might give us a chance to rough things up a bit for 4th. And I am serious.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2013, 04:44:20 PM

Have Liverpool ever sold a player to Manchester United?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on August 13, 2013, 04:48:10 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2013, 04:44:20 PM

Have Liverpool ever sold a player to Manchester United?

Phil Chisnall Dave .Around 63/64

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuco Salamanca on August 13, 2013, 04:59:23 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on August 13, 2013, 04:43:29 PM

Anyone think that if Real pull out of buying Bale, Utd might go and get him for say £80 million plus Hashley Young ? They then could step in and resolve the Suarez to Arsenal issue as well and offload some other rubbish to Liverpool - ie I can see Liverpool being more willing to sell him to Utd than to their 'direct competitors' for 4th ? I think Baines will be there for 20 million very soon.

This of course assumes that Utd have about 150 million in spare cash down the back of the sofa, but with the addition of those 2 they would surely pip those light blues and the fops from West London to the Premiership title.

What does it matter to Villa ? Well, a weakened Spurs, Pool and Arsenal all might give us a chance to rough things up a bit for 4th. And I am serious.

You have a very vivid imagination  :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: GarethRDR on August 13, 2013, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2013, 04:44:20 PM

Have Liverpool ever sold a player to Manchester United?

Not that I can think of.  The only two players moving directly between the clubs were (I think) Ramon Calliste, an academy cast-off whom Liverpool picked up after Man Utd released him (and went on to achieve the sum total of fuck all) and Phil Chisnall; bought by Liverpool from Utd in the 60's with equal success (or lack thereof).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 05:06:51 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on August 13, 2013, 04:43:29 PM

Anyone think that if Real pull out of buying Bale, Utd might go and get him for say £80 million plus Hashley Young ? They then could step in and resolve the Suarez to Arsenal issue as well and offload some other rubbish to Liverpool - ie I can see Liverpool being more willing to sell him to Utd than to their 'direct competitors' for 4th ? I think Baines will be there for 20 million very soon.

This of course assumes that Utd have about 150 million in spare cash down the back of the sofa, but with the addition of those 2 they would surely pip those light blues and the fops from West London to the Premiership title.

What does it matter to Villa ? Well, a weakened Spurs, Pool and Arsenal all might give us a chance to rough things up a bit for 4th. And I am serious.

I can't see Bale going anywhere other than Real Madrid.

If there is a weakening of the sides in and around 4th, then it's a year or two early for us to seriously be thinking of taking advantage of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 13, 2013, 05:14:39 PM

and who Tottenham will buy with 100 million euros. Probably 3 or 4 Brazilians.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on August 13, 2013, 05:34:46 PM

Haven't Spurs spent most of the Bale money already... they have had a bit of a shopping spree so far this summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 13, 2013, 06:39:40 PM

Quote from: London Villan on August 13, 2013, 05:34:46 PM

Haven't Spurs spent most of the Bale money already... they have had a bit of a shopping spree so far this summer.

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 06:50:13 PM

Quote from: London Villan on August 13, 2013, 05:34:46 PM

Haven't Spurs spent most of the Bale money already... they have had a bit of a shopping spree so far this summer.

Agreed.  I think they've been pretty clever this summer (in this instance).  They've bought a 20m-ish midfielder, a 7m winger and a 26m striker.  They couldn't normally afford such spending but they know they'll get it back from the Bale sale at some point.

If bale stays they might sneak 4th in which case they might convince bale to stay (and get the chumps league bounty).  Fail to get 4th and they sell him for 80m and the new young players are more established.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2013, 07:35:20 PM

Spurs are really gonna threaten arsenal this year for fourth. I'd make them favourites with the current squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2013, 07:39:12 PM

Quote from: Matt Collins on August 13, 2013, 07:35:20 PM

Spurs are really gonna threaten arsenal this year for fourth. I'd make them favourites with the current squad.

They haven't yet lost Bale and have gained Paulinho and Soldado. If the transfer window were over now they'd be looking very good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 13, 2013, 07:40:07 PM

I still think Arsenal will be contenders for the top. I would not underestimate them. I'm quite surprised so many are.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2013, 08:11:51 PM

They need 4 big players to be anywhere. Winger has been disastrous in this windows.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2013, 08:16:57 PM

Spurs have been spending the money and trying to replace Bale all summer. All we need now is for him to leave.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2013, 08:35:26 PM

Quote from: Ian J on August 13, 2013, 07:40:07 PM

I still think Arsenal will be contenders for the top. I would not underestimate them. I'm quite surprised so many are.

If you mean contenders for the top 4 then I don't think anyone is writing them off in that regard.  If you mean fir the very top, as in the title, then only if they spend about £100m. In the next couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2013, 08:40:53 PM

Someone mentioned it on the thread about it being the best time to play Arsenal as they will be likely at their weakest squad-wise and have no form to build on (unless you count pre-season and...well, who does?) and suddenly I feel a lot more confident about the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 08:50:51 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 13, 2013, 08:11:51 PM

They need 4 big players to be anywhere. Winger has been disastrous in this windows.

Someone in the Sun (spit) suggested that Lewandowski would be available to Arsenal (so Dortmund get some cash - 20m - and he doesn't strength Bayern).  To me that sounds a much better deal than 40m for Suarez.  With the left over cash they could get Fellani.

Those pair would strengthen that squad no end, for relatively little money considering what they make each season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 13, 2013, 08:56:04 PM

@Dante - Yeah you're right - and as a 'pure no. 9' Lewandowski is far superior to Suarez IMO... he likes to play off a main striker a bit and the Arse already have enough of those types of players as it is. Probably would be cheaper than what Liverpool want for Suarez too.

Also - is anyone watching the U21s right now? Can Lambert please fork out 10m for Will Hughes, tomorrow? cheers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2013, 08:59:54 PM

Quote from: Keeno on August 13, 2013, 08:56:04 PM

@Dante - Yeah you're right - and as a 'pure no. 9' Lewandowski is far superior to Suarez IMO... he likes to play off a main striker a bit and the Arse already have enough of those types of players as it is. Probably would be cheaper than what Liverpool want for Suarez too.

Also - is anyone watching the U21s right now? Can Lambert please fork out 10m for Will Hughes, tomorrow? cheers

Neither are in Bentekes' class for me.

I genuinely believe that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 13, 2013, 09:05:10 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2013, 08:59:54 PM

Quote from: Keeno on August 13, 2013, 08:56:04 PM

@Dante - Yeah you're right - and as a 'pure no. 9' Lewandowski is far superior to Suarez IMO... he likes to play off a main striker a bit and the Arse already have enough of those types of players as it is. Probably would be cheaper than what Liverpool want for Suarez too.

Also - is anyone watching the U21s right now? Can Lambert please fork out 10m for Will Hughes, tomorrow? cheers

Neither are in Bentekes' class for me.

I genuinely believe that.

Oh I agree for the most part! (I think RL is a little more lethal in front of goal, and is proven against some of the best CBs in the world) If he has a good WC next year and they come sniffing around, no less than 35m.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Arsenal should have got Caulker, Lewendowski, probably Benteke even, and a top centre mid like Fellani. They would have walked top 3 even 2. Instead they have dicked about with a racist biting ball off trouble. Just poor management.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2013, 09:14:10 PM

Lewandowski's better than Benteke I think, but not by a huge amount (and he's a couple of years older), and Suarez is a very different player. £35m sounds about right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2013, 09:21:08 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 13, 2013, 09:14:10 PM

Lewandowski's better than Benteke I think, but not by a huge amount (and he's a couple of years older), and Suarez is a very different player. £35m sounds about right.

I don't think Lewandowski's anything like the power, pace or range of goals in him.

Suarez can play, but he's a wasteful little shitbag who's no good to a team with a strong work ethic. Not that he's lazy, just only interested in himself.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 13, 2013, 09:24:32 PM

Arsenal drew 0-0 at home to Sunderland first game of last season and that was with new signings Carzola, Giroud and Podolski all playing.

It's a very realistic fixture for us to get a point from, we nearly did last season when we were on your knees after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2013, 09:35:56 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2013, 09:21:08 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 13, 2013, 09:14:10 PM

Lewandowski's better than Benteke I think, but not by a huge amount (and he's a couple of years older), and Suarez is a very different player. £35m sounds about right.

I don't think Lewandowski's anything like the power, pace or range of goals in him.

Suarez can play, but he's a wasteful little shitbag who's no good to a team with a strong work ethic. Not that he's lazy, just only interested in himself.

He's strong and quick enough, and I disagree with you on the range of goals, he scores all kinds. He's also a really intelligent forward - his movement and skill in link up play is better than Benteke's at the moment. However, like I say, not by much - Lewandowski is two years or so older than Benteke and even more ahead in terms of experience at a big club in a top league with high-end training facilities, tough opponents and baying crowds of scores of thousands - which is what really sorts the spermaceti from the blubber. Benteke will get there with time, which is all he needs as he has all the talent you could wish for.

As for Suarez, he's an odd player in that respect because he works so hard off the ball - harder than Benteke - but I bet he gives the ball away more than Benteke as well through his selfish (and sometimes spectacularly successful) dribbling escapades. You sense that he really really wants to win the ball back, but not for his team but for himself - which to be fair, if you are Luis Suarez and you look up and see Henderson and Downing either side of you, seems the logical option.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2013, 09:57:54 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 13, 2013, 09:14:10 PM

Lewandowski's better than Benteke I think, but not by a huge amount (and he's a couple of years older), and Suarez is a very different player. £35m sounds about right.

It's been suggested that the fee for Lewandowski will be a lot less than 35m as he's already agreed a deal with bayern for next season (in principle), when he's out of contract.  Much, much better value than the Racist.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2013, 10:01:17 PM

I think Hughes's age and price will put a lot of people off. there have been plenty of 17 - 18 year olds that have promised much but have not had longevity if they are able to steer clear of injuries. Personally,I wouldn't go for him at this stage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 13, 2013, 10:08:27 PM

Reading the been report on the U21s I hadn't realised Norwich had bought Redmond!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 13, 2013, 10:14:32 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 13, 2013, 09:21:08 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 13, 2013, 09:14:10 PM

Lewandowski's better than Benteke I think, but not by a huge amount (and he's a couple of years older), and Suarez is a very different player. £35m sounds about right.

I don't think Lewandowski's anything like the power, pace or range of goals in him.

Suarez can play, but he's a wasteful little shitbag who's no good to a team with a strong work ethic. Not that he's lazy, just only interested in himself.

I think Lewandowski has such an unbelievable work rate, talent to effectively drop back to midfield when needed and ability to read the game that he exceeds Benteke today. I totally agree about the amazing range Benteke has though.  The reading of the game will come with time. Already it is heartening to see Tekkers tracking back more and more, i think I saw him playing as almost left back cover at times during the malaga game. Very good to see.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 13, 2013, 10:25:30 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

LOL - what are you implying Eric?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 12:38:22 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 13, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Arsenal should have got Caulker, Lewendowski, probably Benteke even, and a top centre mid like Fellani. They would have walked top 3 even 2. Instead they have dicked about with a racist biting ball off trouble. Just poor management.

Can't imagine Spuds would have sold Caulker to their local rivals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2013, 12:40:17 AM

I realise this is the man U/Suarez/ Lewandowski thread, but has anyone got any views on the news that Palace want  Bent on a season-long loan with a view to buying him if they stay up?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2013, 12:55:22 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2013, 12:40:17 AM

I realise this is the man U/Suarez/ Lewandowski thread, but has anyone got any views on the news that Palace want  Bent on a season-long loan with a view to buying him if they stay up?

That's a no from me.  I think bad results over the first couple of games may force the hand of some teams with Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2013, 12:57:27 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2013, 12:40:17 AM

I realise this is the man U/Suarez/ Lewandowski thread, but has anyone got any views on the news that Palace want  Bent on a season-long loan with a view to buying him if they stay up?

Only as a last resort for me. To be honest i'd rather keep on the bench than loan him out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 02:00:14 AM

Downing going to West Ham for £6m and the same age as Bent. Parker, three years older, off to either QPR or West Ham for £3.5m according to the Evening Standard.
Downing and Parker's wages can't be far off Bent's yet clubs are still offering piddly two to four million for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on August 14, 2013, 07:57:20 AM

Personally, for Bent, if we get 4 million then take it, lets just get him off the wage bill

I reckon the BOMB squad have made a pact to stay.... they are now called the LEECHES

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2013, 08:08:32 AM

I'd also take £4m for Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2013, 08:43:37 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 02:00:14 AM

Downing going to West Ham for £6m and the same age as Bent. Parker, three years older, off to either QPR or West Ham for £3.5m according to the Evening Standard.
Downing and Parker's wages can't be far off Bent's yet clubs are still offering piddly two to four million for him.

Neither Liverpool or Spurs have made is as clear as we have just how desperate we are to get rid though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 14, 2013, 08:54:27 AM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

i'm not so sure, Levy has questioned if Madrid have the money,

rememeber they paid Man Utd in full for Ronanldo, i'm not saying they will for Bale but i could buy Bale for 100 million at £50 a week, so levy would want the terms to be in his favour,
what you call fine details might be a deal breaking problem

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 14, 2013, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2013, 10:01:17 PM

I think Hughes's age and price will put a lot of people off. there have been plenty of 17 - 18 year olds that have promised much but have not had longevity if they are able to steer clear of injuries. Personally,I wouldn't go for him at this stage.

What is putting people off is memories of Seth Johnson.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2013, 09:01:49 AM

If Bent was anywhere else we'd be screaming at Villa to buy him for £6m.  £4m is just a joke.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 14, 2013, 09:09:30 AM

I wouldn't take £4m for Bent, that would be ridiculous.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 14, 2013, 09:45:50 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 14, 2013, 09:09:30 AM

I wouldn't take £4m for Bent, that would be ridiculous.

Agreed. Particularly as Bent has not asked for a move and so can expect/demand his contract is paid up, meaning a £4m fee might become £2m to the club.

At the end of the window, I think someone will pay the £6m the club want. In the meantime, exploring the loan deal with Palace is an option as it avoids (for now at least) the club buying out the balance of his contract. It's just slightly irritating that it means dealing with Gollum.

I think Bent will find a club, I think the rest of the Bomb Squad will be harder to shift - chiefly because they have less to offer. UTV.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2013, 10:09:31 AM

Quote from: Damo70 on August 14, 2013, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: peter w on August 13, 2013, 10:01:17 PM

I think Hughes's age and price will put a lot of people off. there have been plenty of 17 - 18 year olds that have promised much but have not had longevity if they are able to steer clear of injuries. Personally,I wouldn't go for him at this stage.

What is putting people off is memories of Seth Johnson.

I agree on this but simply put for a club like Villa to get him they have to pay the money now.  Another year or 2 and it'll be a shoot out between the russians and the arabs.

I've said a few times, he's the most exciting young player I've seen in England for a long time, he looked head and shoulders above anyone in the championship late in the season and is handling a very physical league far better than his frame and age suggest.  He reminds me of the early footage of Zidane, great technique and has the ability to drift past people but also use physical challenges to power away from people.  I'd give Derby their asking price in a blink of an eye, I think whatever they're asking will prove to be a bargain in 2 years, he's good enough to come straight into the first XI at villa, where a lot of the really talented youngsters fall down is they join sides where they're not quite ready to start, and it ruins their development.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 14, 2013, 10:27:02 AM

I'm sure Holloway will be able to sell the move to Bent. 'Come on son,  leave that half arsed club that used to be famous and come and join the team of the eighties'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

With Bent I would rather let him go out on loan for season with a loan fee of £2m than a flat £4m fee. I would take the gamble that he will prove his fitness and show that he's still a goalscorer. Then in a year's time there could be a few clubs in for him and allow us to sell to the highest bidder. That might be £4/5m then so better overall.

I would like us to go in strong for someone late in the window that we might not otherwise get. That could be Will Hughes. With someone like that, you would imagine they would jump at the prospect of the move which could force Derby's hand into selling. There would be little time for hard negotiation or for someone else to come in for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2013, 11:17:49 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

With Bent I would rather let him go out on loan for season with a loan fee of £2m than a flat £4m fee. I would take the gamble that he will prove his fitness and show that he's still a goalscorer. Then in a year's time there could be a few clubs in for him and allow us to sell to the highest bidder. That might be £4/5m then so better overall.

I would like us to go in strong for someone late in the window that we might not otherwise get. That could be Will Hughes. With someone like that, you would imagine they would jump at the prospect of the move which could force Derby's hand into selling. There would be little time for hard negotiation or for someone else to come in for him.

With Hughes that's my hope, I really think he'd be the perfect signing for us, it's a bit of a gamble on him living up to his promise but we've had a pretty risk free summer so far with lots of signings who we'll at least get our money for and will probably make a profit so 1 risky signing (much like Benteke last year) is reasonable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2013, 11:20:58 AM

And you only have to look at how Benteke worked out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2013, 11:21:14 AM

Quote from: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2013, 08:08:32 AM

I'd also take £4m for Bent.

I wouldn't.

I've a feeling any incoming transfers are linked (fee-wise) to what we get for the players we've decided we don't want any more. 4m is a joke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2013, 11:39:41 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 14, 2013, 11:17:49 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 14, 2013, 10:57:57 AM

With Bent I would rather let him go out on loan for season with a loan fee of £2m than a flat £4m fee. I would take the gamble that he will prove his fitness and show that he's still a goalscorer. Then in a year's time there could be a few clubs in for him and allow us to sell to the highest bidder. That might be £4/5m then so better overall.

I would like us to go in strong for someone late in the window that we might not otherwise get. That could be Will Hughes. With someone like that, you would imagine they would jump at the prospect of the move which could force Derby's hand into selling. There would be little time for hard negotiation or for someone else to come in for him.

With Hughes that's my hope, I really think he'd be the perfect signing for us, it's a bit of a gamble on him living up to his promise but we've had a pretty risk free summer so far with lots of signings who we'll at least get our money for and will probably make a profit so 1 risky signing (much like Benteke last year) is reasonable.

Benteke was already a full international when we signed him.  Hughes would be much more in the 'prospect' category and is well known enough by now that his club and agent would be after lot more than the package we agreed to for Christian.

Not knocking him as a player, but if we did make the move we'd see exactly why Lambert prefers the Euro market.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on August 14, 2013, 12:11:09 PM

if we dont sell him for say £4 million this summer then in January he will be worth £1 million and next summer we will have to give him away!

If it is true he is on £70k  + per week we will have paid him nearly £4 million to go shopping every weekend (madness)

You are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for you. and the lot we are trying to get rid of, are not worth tuppence! if it were me as Manager i would have them in training from 10 - 4 every day (7 days a week) may be that would make them desperate to get away.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 14, 2013, 12:39:53 PM

Id snap your hand off to work 10-4 seven days a week for 70k.

Despite the fact you are asking me to work more than 35 hours, thats still £1666.66 per hour.  Sign me up

I used to do plenty of 100hour+ weeks on agricultural wage, i just wish i had been a better footballer

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2013, 12:43:16 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on August 14, 2013, 12:11:09 PM

if we dont sell him for say £4 million this summer then in January he will be worth £1 million and next summer we will have to give him away!

If it is true he is on £70k  + per week we will have paid him nearly £4 million to go shopping every weekend (madness)

You are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for you. and the lot we are trying to get rid of, are not worth tuppence! if it were me as Manager i would have them in training from 10 - 4 every day (7 days a week) may be that would make them desperate to get away.

Someone such as Bent should not have been sent to "The Bomb Squad".

Players under contract who are prepared to train hard and not kick up too much of a stink should not be made to train separately regardless of whether the manager thinks that he'll pick in the actual team.

I'm thinking that the likes of Bent, Hutton, Given and The Fonz would fall into this category with probably Ireland and Messi remaining as "The Bomb Duo"

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 14, 2013, 01:27:42 PM

It is ruthless but it stops first team or there about players interacting with others that will not be around come the start of the season. (hopefully) also the players in the "Bomb squad" will be pushing there agents more to get a move, perhaps on lower terms just to get away ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: themossman on August 14, 2013, 01:37:31 PM

I imagine it's bit of a cautious strategy given the problems under GH and AM. Bent may be a decent pro but if he has no future in the first team then maybe lambert just doesn't want to risk bad juju. We've seen how that can wreck a squad of players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2013, 01:43:55 PM

What evidence is there that Bannan or Ireland train badly compared to the others?  Bannan worked hard last season when he played, so it seems strange to suggest he's not willing to try in training and Ireland has had several people comment that he works hard in training and agrees to any commitments the club ask of him (with acorns, etc) so why are those 2 singled out of deserving the bomb squad tag when the rest aren't?

the reality is Lambert wants a strong team spirit and players around the squad who know they're not wanted will not help with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 02:00:13 PM

I'm told Bannan trains exceptionally hard when with Scotland and find it exceptionally difficult to believe it is any different at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: themossman on August 14, 2013, 02:03:03 PM

I always assume the idea of good and bad trainers is a bit of a myth, at least in the sense that it affects selection. If benteke was a rubbish trainer would he get dropped?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 14, 2013, 02:48:47 PM

Quote from: themossman on August 14, 2013, 02:03:03 PM

I always assume the idea of good and bad trainers is a bit of a myth, at least in the sense that it affects selection. If benteke was a rubbish trainer would he get dropped?

Well yes, God didn't train that hard I wouldn't imagine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2013, 02:53:21 PM

If Benteke was a rubbish trainer he wouldn't be as good a player.

God is of course the exception to this rule.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2013, 03:14:16 PM

John Carew wasn't brilliant in training apparently. He did well enough for us. But then again, not being great in training in some cases is down to persistent ailments or which Carew and indeed God suffered. Carew had a dodgy back among other things. Some players have to save if for the games.

I just think in some cases on the bomb squad it's just that they're not good enough (Bannan, Stevens, Fonz, Hutton). In others, players are just not suited to how Lambo wants to play (Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia). None of them have thrown their toys out their pram to be fair. In a couple of cases, booze might have played some part, but lets not go speculate too much.

Sometimes you need players to do a bit more beyond general training. Bannan would have benefited greatly from improving his physical and upper body strength. That's not a pre-requisite of training, that's above and beyond and part of being incredibly strong willed and dedicated. It's the difference between an Agbonlahor and a Moore. Gabby has worked exceptionally hard on all aspects of his game. On the training field, in the gym, in the summers off, probably in his sleep.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 14, 2013, 03:28:35 PM

Quote from: themossman on August 14, 2013, 02:03:03 PM

I always assume the idea of good and bad trainers is a bit of a myth, at least in the sense that it affects selection. If benteke was a rubbish trainer would he get dropped?

I've heard accounts from a few people (G.Nev being one) of how shit Tevez is at training, but he saves it all for the game and is arguably the reason why he is a little terrier. I know what I'd prefer, as long as they can do it week in week out, Benteke could be smoking 40 super kings a day and I wouldn't care.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2013, 03:42:30 PM

http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-reject-chance-take-man-city-midfielder-loan-13081455591?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2013, 03:43:31 PM

Quote from: not3bad on August 14, 2013, 03:42:30 PM

http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-reject-chance-take-man-city-midfielder-loan-13081455591?

Ballsy. I like it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on August 14, 2013, 03:46:27 PM

Id love Barry back on Loan for a season. Middle of the Park he could orchestrate much better than anyone we currently have at the Club. I dont rate El Ahmadi. Id send Gardner on loan first half of the season. Then id pick one of Delph and Westwood to partner Barry

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 03:46:30 PM

Ballsy or foolish? He may not be twenty three and a half but he's better than I KEA and Cilla.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2013, 03:49:40 PM

I think the main reason, to be honest, is probably not the addiction to the 24-and-under policy - if you offered Lambo Yaya Toure I'm sure he'd have him in a second - but more the way he sees us playing. The other day he was going on and on about intensity and having 'legs' in the side. Barry is many things, but dynamic he ain't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 14, 2013, 03:50:54 PM

Barry or KEA ? no brainer .   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 14, 2013, 03:51:40 PM

He would also probably be a better defender than most of ours as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 03:52:43 PM

Any remote wish to have Barry back disappeared after his "running through treacle" attempt at tracking back for one of the Germany goals at the last World Cup...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on August 14, 2013, 04:01:22 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 03:52:43 PM

Any remote wish to have Barry back disappeared after his "running through treacle" attempt at tracking back for one of the Germany goals at the last World Cup...

agree with this.......now if it was Milly they were offering

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 04:02:42 PM

Milly's left us twice. Fuck him. We, and Egg, deserve better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2013, 04:04:10 PM

Barry on loan would be a short term fix and I think it's clear Lambert's transfer policy is about the long term. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 04:06:28 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 04:02:42 PM

Milly's left us twice. Fuck him. We, and Egg, deserve better.

+1. Why are so many people keen to live in the past when the future has so much promise?

I've never rated Barry as an outright defensive midfielder, so think it is more likely to be Westwood he'd displace and you'd have to be crackers to do that. I don't rate KEA as an outright defensive midfielder either, but that's by the by as I'd prefer Sylla to play that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2013, 04:14:19 PM

I'd take back Barry but not on loan. It would be good to have a bit of experience in the team. It should be a permenant deal, or no deal. No more loans at Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 14, 2013, 04:14:47 PM

Barry was brilliant for us but he's part of our past and we need to build on what we have.
I'd also like to see Sylla playing that DM role which might free Westy up a bit to go forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 14, 2013, 04:18:25 PM

I don't think we need Barry either. Only ex Villa Player I am interested is James Milner and no other ex Villa Player is good enough for our team (Currently playing). The fact is only one player I am interested is a damning sign of poor quality we buy over last decade. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 14, 2013, 04:23:50 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 14, 2013, 04:14:47 PM

Barry was brilliant for us but he's part of our past and we need to build on what we have.
I'd also like to see Sylla playing that DM role which might free Westy up a bit to go forward.

Agree with all of that.

Like others I would have Milner back to add energy but only he came back on less than half his wages, which he won't so it's irrelevant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on August 14, 2013, 04:27:52 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 14, 2013, 04:18:25 PM

I don't think we need Barry either. Only ex Villa Player I am interested is James Milner and no other ex Villa Player is good enough for our team (Currently playing). The fact is only one player I am interested is a damning sign of poor quality we buy over last decade. 

Or just that over the last decade, players have got older than they were when we got the best out of them? Barry falls into that category. I still would have liked him in the squad for experience and options, but hey leave Lambert to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2013, 04:46:33 PM

If Barry was still the same player we sold he wouldn't be available so it's a no thanks from me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 14, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

If that's genuine, we've missed a trick there. 

In truth, I'm not on board with this 'young and hungry' mantra.   

Yes, the situation we had with players on large contracts not playing under MON was farcical.  But now it seems we've gone too far in the opposite direction.  Ideally what you want as far as team dynamic is concerned is one or two older heads (players who might be just past their best, but can still perform to a high standard) a few younger players who aren't the finished article but have the fight and desire to improve and players who are just about at their peak. 

Too many of any from those three categories can be ruinous.  Too many cynical, older players on big contracts can be bad for team morale and can sour the younger players coming through.   But too many young players leads to inconsistency, naivety in key moments of matches and poor results. 

For a club our size -one of the biggest clubs in the richest league in the world, lets not forget-  the bulk of our players should be that final category, as close to the finished article as possible. Villa Park is too big a stage to be learning the ropes. 

I could accept the idea that we're almost entirely focussed on players under the age of 24 If I believed it was for purely footballing reasons.  Unfortunately, I think it's far more to do with trying to get the wage bill down (still).  To make that the priority above all else is folly, and -barring miracles from Lambert- it could result in seasons like the last one being the norm, rather than the exception.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 04:53:55 PM

There is some truth in what you say but I'm not sure someone who now has the turning circle of an oil tanker is the sort of experienced head we need.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 05:01:02 PM

I agree that we need some more experience but Barry, or for that matter Milner, are not the players that we need. A centre half or skillful attacking midfielder/No10 is the need we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: nick harper on August 14, 2013, 05:01:46 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 04:53:55 PM

There is some truth in what you say but I'm not sure someone who now has the turning circle of an oil tanker is the sort of experienced head we need.

I think you do him a disservice. There were many games last season where I was watching the game through my fingers as a result of our inability to keep the ball and defend with any composure. He would be ideal to help us do that - well respected and only ever gave 100% for us.

He may not play every game but he would be a very useful part of what remains a very inexperienced squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 14, 2013, 05:10:11 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 05:01:02 PM

I agree that we need some more experience but Barry, or for that matter Milner, are not the players that we need. A centre half or skillful attacking midfielder/No10 is the need we have.

I'd say an experienced CB, a left back (yes, still) and an experienced central midfielder would improve us immeasurably.  I'd take a number 10 too, but I think Tonev could grow into that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2013, 05:33:55 PM

Collymore reporting that bent to palace is a done deal

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2013, 05:47:32 PM

With his links you would think Collymore should be quite close to that deal. Hope Bent does well and keeps them up so we get the fee next summer if it is indeed a loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2013, 05:52:03 PM

Is Collymore saying loan or pemanent?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2013, 05:56:43 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2013, 05:52:03 PM

Is Collymore saying loan or pemanent?

Not stated but just said its a done deal. I'm guessing a loan. At least it means we don't have the inevitable DB scoring against us this year!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2013, 06:10:22 PM

Didn't think Palace would be an option as apparently they've taken over the final year of Chamakh's contract and he must've been on a bit at Arsenal.

Amazed we can't sell him outright. Did I imagine someone like Zamora going for 6m last year?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2013, 06:19:10 PM

You forget Mark Hughes had money to burn and did at QPR. Harsh for Bent, but glad he is not playing against us for certain! Risky for us to not just sell him outright, but then even if he scores 12-15 goals and they go down, he will be bought by someone next summer on the back of it for 4-5 million still with 12 months less.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 14, 2013, 06:30:43 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 03:52:43 PM

Any remote wish to have Barry back disappeared after his "running through treacle" attempt at tracking back for one of the Germany goals at the last World Cup...

Barry has never relied on pace, he probably hasnt lost any of his speed he has always been as slow as fuck
thats why he will play on for longer than those that do,
 
skill,awareness and reading of the game, making time and space is what he's good at, Sheringham played untill he was 40 beacause he never relied on pace, unlike Owen, as soon a the speed went so did Owen, i know they were strikers but the same applies

he could do a great job with younger legs around him, i'm probably a bit bias as he is probably my favourite Villa player over the last 10-15 years
however i am fully on board the new regime, and we wont be signing the likes of Barry, although i would love to see him back, he is probably the most underated midfielder we have had since Gary Parker
Milner has a lot more energy and workrate, and does a fine job but as a footballer he's not fit to lace Barry's boots

i also agree with SH, no more loans, we need to be laying the foundation for something that will last

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on August 14, 2013, 06:36:09 PM

I understand us saying no, and I respect Lambo's decision and trust it. Part of me is indeed disappointed though. Bringing Barry back would have been nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2013, 06:42:49 PM

Barry is still a good player with a lot to offer (if not at the top level), but his qualities would probably not make up for the disruption to our style caused by his presence. For our hectic, non-stop pressing game to work we need everyone to do it, but the most important area for it is the middle of the park. Not having this pressure in the centre of the pitch could have knock-on effects like not playing with as high a defensive line and having less possession. I like him, and he's a good player, but he's the wrong player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2013, 06:50:43 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 14, 2013, 03:52:43 PM

Any remote wish to have Barry back disappeared after his "running through treacle" attempt at tracking back for one of the Germany goals at the last World Cup...

Was that when he had just returned to action from an injury and was clearly exhausted?  Can understand why we have said no to the deal, but can't agree with some of the comments on here.  Still looked a class act in the games I saw him playing last season. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 14, 2013, 06:56:16 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2013, 05:10:11 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 05:01:02 PM

I agree that we need some more experience but Barry, or for that matter Milner, are not the players that we need. A centre half or skillful attacking midfielder/No10 is the need we have.

I'd say an experienced CB, a left back (yes, still) and an experienced central midfielder would improve us immeasurably.  I'd take a number 10 too, but I think Tonev could grow into that role.

PL has done brill with his signings but I am disappointed he has not recognised we need a dominating CB. Vlaar will not get better at his age. And after last season we are crying out for a CB who is positive and wins most balls in the air. Okore will pick up anything what gets behind the defence but from corners and set pieces we still look vulenerable ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on August 14, 2013, 07:28:48 PM

Barry could still do a job and is good enough for us and would strengthen us. With him in the side its a definite minimum mid-table finish as a springboard to push from.

So, whatdeal would I want? None. fuck him. The wanker is dead to me and always will be. NOTW, lying about O'Neill and the club not speaking to him, his mate or himself coming on here pleading with us to think of his kids, andnever putting in a transfer request because he wanted his loyalty money. Fuck him, the wanker. And fuck off into the wanker club with the likes of Alpay, Hodge et al. Wanker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 14, 2013, 07:32:55 PM

it's just football mate. Have you tried any  Anger Wanker Management techniques?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2013, 07:32:59 PM

To be honest I'd have had Barry back. Just watching over Gabbys premier league goals vid on AVTV made me appreciate the fact that Gaz Baz really could utilise Gabby and Young brilliantly. He launched a lot of our attacks with great vision and awareness. Pace has never been his game.

That said, the person who's place he'd naturally have to take is Westwood, and for me I'd prefer Westy. Barry wouldn't come here to play 20 odd games. He'd have his pick of sides to move to and be a regular...IF he does indeed move.

If he was happy to come here and have to fight for his place I wouldn't mind it. Still it's Lambo's perogative. Probably better to develop Gardner and Sylla this year. We're building for the next 5-8 years with our side, so a 32 year old wouldn't fit in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2013, 07:34:55 PM

Gaz Baz had the ability to get the ball out very quickly to Ash so that he had as much room to work with as possible. Ash in space running at a full back and crossing for Gabby or Carew caused enormous problems.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 14, 2013, 07:35:44 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 14, 2013, 06:42:49 PM

Barry is still a good player with a lot to offer (if not at the top level), but his qualities would probably not make up for the disruption to our style caused by his presence. For our hectic, non-stop pressing game to work we need everyone to do it, but the most important area for it is the middle of the park. Not having this pressure in the centre of the pitch could have knock-on effects like not playing with as high a defensive line and having less possession. I like him, and he's a good player, but he's the wrong player.

As ever Monty has summed it up more eruditely than I could. I do like him as a player, just not for making a comeback.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richardhubbard on August 14, 2013, 07:47:52 PM

Barry still a class player and in reality one of us, him at bad of our midfield with Ashley and Fabian would be brilliant

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on August 14, 2013, 07:49:39 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 14, 2013, 07:32:55 PM

it's just football mate. Have you tried any  Anger Wanker Management techniques?

yeah, course was run by a bunch of wankers though so I gave up.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2013, 07:50:30 PM

Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but I heard on Talksport earlier that Benfica are interested in the Celtic keeper Forster.  If that deal goes through, Celtic might have a look at Given.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Bellster on August 14, 2013, 08:35:07 PM

Having watched the game against Malaga, we're in for a rollercoaster of a season again as PL sticks to his Youth policy and attacking formations.

Reading some of the predictions against Arsenal, there are a lot of people who have excessive expectations of this season. These are probably the same people who will be demanding PL gets the sack when we lose a couple of games on the trot.

We need a quality CB, but more than that we need an experienced defensive midfielder to protect our fragile and regularly exposed back 4. If we have a chance to sign Gareth Barry, even on loan, we should take it. 100%.

However that's unlikely to be in Lambert's plan (or budget) so I suggest we sit back, be patient and enjoy the ride.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on August 14, 2013, 08:41:09 PM

Quote from: Bellster on August 14, 2013, 08:35:07 PM

Having watched the game against Malaga, we're in for a rollercoaster of a season again as PL sticks to his Youth policy and attacking formations.

Reading some of the predictions against Arsenal, there are a lot of people who have excessive expectations of this season. These are probably the same people who will be demanding PL gets the sack when we lose a couple of games on the trot.

We need a quality CB, but more than that we need an experienced defensive midfielder to protect our fragile and regularly exposed back 4. If we have a chance to sign Gareth Barry, even on loan, we should take it. 100%.

However that's unlikely to be in Lambert's plan (or budget) so I suggest we sit back, be patient and enjoy the ride.

I'm with you on this, it's going to be fun and and times not. I'm not confident we will have any points after the first 3 games but it will not worry me at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 14, 2013, 08:44:54 PM

 A good Centre Half.....the guy from Anderlecht?, and a really good central midfielder...McCarthy?, should be our priorities.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 14, 2013, 08:56:29 PM

Gaz Baz, no thanks. Can we not move forward without harking back. We're trying to offload players that don't fit in to our high energy style of play, signing Mr Tectonic Plate would be criminal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2013, 09:58:34 PM

Did he stick out as being shite for Citeh last year? I don't think so. He's a quality player. Let him dictate from deep and get the others to do the running. Perfect mentor for Westwood.
I think he'd more than consider it as well. Seems to have retained strong links with the club, good mates with Petrov etc.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 14, 2013, 10:26:51 PM

i think Westwood is a bit overated as a footballer,
 to me he is solid, does the easy thing, doesnt do anything to creative apart from maybe a through ball now and again, he is a younger version of Scot Parker, someone you need but isnt going to change many games on his own,
Delph is the better footballer and more creative, and probably makes more mistakes,

i say this because i dont see much connection between the player Barry is and the player Westwood is,
everything was played through Barry when he played for us, he was the kingpin, he wasnt anything like as defensive as he tends to be used now at City and England, in fact he was our most creative midfielder at the time

Westwood i believe is good but limited in what he can do

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2013, 10:33:22 PM

Westwood makes things look easy. Next game he plays, notice how he somehow always manages to be in exactly the right place at the right time, it's uncanny. It's like Mystic bloody Meg, only his predictions come true.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2013, 10:35:10 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 14, 2013, 07:28:48 PM

Barry could still do a job and is good enough for us and would strengthen us. With him in the side its a definite minimum mid-table finish as a springboard to push from.

So, whatdeal would I want? None. fuck him. The wanker is dead to me and always will be. NOTW, lying about O'Neill and the club not speaking to him, his mate or himself coming on here pleading with us to think of his kids, andnever putting in a transfer request because he wanted his loyalty money. Fuck him, the wanker. And fuck off into the wanker club with the likes of Alpay, Hodge et al. Wanker.

*stands and applauds*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 07:26:44 AM

He gave us 10 years great service. I have no animosity to him at all. He has won cups and titles since leaving, and earned fortunes. Anyone would have done.

And I would have him back again tomorrow. He is still a good footballer, and leaders in a young side can make a huge difference. He would have been an excellent signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 15, 2013, 08:15:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 07:26:44 AM

He gave us 10 years great service. I have no animosity to him at all. He has won cups and titles since leaving, and earned fortunes. Anyone would have done.

And I would have him back again tomorrow. He is still a good footballer, and leaders in a young side can make a huge difference. He would have been an excellent signing.

He wont be the last to force a transfer but I doubt there will be many more that give such good service. (Gabby perhaps the last in a long time)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2013, 08:49:08 AM

Blah, blah good service.

He was well rewarded, wanted to leave several times before he did, frankly disgraced himself in that interview with that soiled rag, and now he wants to come back because he can't get a game up there?

Fuck off.

Over the hill and overpaid. No room for sentimentality in the new Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on August 15, 2013, 08:51:15 AM

Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2013, 10:35:10 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 14, 2013, 07:28:48 PM

Barry could still do a job and is good enough for us and would strengthen us. With him in the side its a definite minimum mid-table finish as a springboard to push from.

So, whatdeal would I want? None. fuck him. The wanker is dead to me and always will be. NOTW, lying about O'Neill and the club not speaking to him, his mate or himself coming on here pleading with us to think of his kids, andnever putting in a transfer request because he wanted his loyalty money. Fuck him, the wanker. And fuck off into the wanker club with the likes of Alpay, Hodge et al. Wanker.

*stands and applauds*

Over-reaction.

I recently left my employer for a better job, with more money, better prospects and a shorter commute. I'd given them 5 years' of loyal service but I wanted to work somewhere else and I left on good terms. It happens all the time.

Someone may respond and say, "ah yes, but footballers have fixed term contracts that they should honour". But contracts are not handcuffs. They just offer legal protection for both parties so that they are properly compensated when one side wants to get out of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 15, 2013, 09:05:18 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

That's the end of that then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 15, 2013, 09:05:31 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

Well done Stan...ha ha.

Seems like Fulham have pulled their finger out with the talk of Palace coming in, and given the choice there's not a cats chance in hell Benty would opt for Palace over Fulham. Good move for him. Jol sets his sides out to suit players like Berba and Bent.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2013, 09:08:56 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

It'll be interesting to see how much we've got for him. Good luck to the bloke, I hope he does well there which i'm sure he will. I still wish we were keeping him. It's a risk selling a goalscorer as good as that,

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 15, 2013, 09:35:38 AM

Wish him all the best at Fulham, apart from against us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 09:40:58 AM

Quote from: LeeS on August 15, 2013, 08:51:15 AM

Quote from: LeeB on August 14, 2013, 10:35:10 PM

Quote from: peter w on August 14, 2013, 07:28:48 PM

Barry could still do a job and is good enough for us and would strengthen us. With him in the side its a definite minimum mid-table finish as a springboard to push from.

So, whatdeal would I want? None. fuck him. The wanker is dead to me and always will be. NOTW, lying about O'Neill and the club not speaking to him, his mate or himself coming on here pleading with us to think of his kids, andnever putting in a transfer request because he wanted his loyalty money. Fuck him, the wanker. And fuck off into the wanker club with the likes of Alpay, Hodge et al. Wanker.

*stands and applauds*

Over-reaction.

I recently left my employer for a better job, with more money, better prospects and a shorter commute. I'd given them 5 years' of loyal service but I wanted to work somewhere else and I left on good terms. It happens all the time.

Someone may respond and say, "ah yes, but footballers have fixed term contracts that they should honour". But contracts are not handcuffs. They just offer legal protection for both parties so that they are properly compensated when one side wants to get out of it.

Sometimes it's not what you do, but the way in which you do it.  His transfer to Man City was all very amicable and if that had been it, and we didn't have all that shit from him 12 months earlier, I think everyone would be of that opinion.

Ash and Milner maintained their professionalism during their transfers and as such are remembered more fondly by me, despite not giving the length of service Barry did.

It's like an old girlfriend who cheated on you trying to get back together.  You had great times and would like them again, but the urge to say to her "Sorry, love - you had your chance" is just to great to resist.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2013, 09:51:21 AM

When people talk about Barry giving loyal service I tend to agree with Peter W.

He was paid a small fortune to pay football for us and on the 3 occasions that I remember a club showing interest in him (Portsmouth, Liverpool and Man City) he wanted to leave! His NOTW interview was extremely low and will always tarnish my view of him as a Villa great.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: manic-road on August 15, 2013, 10:30:28 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 15, 2013, 09:08:56 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

It'll be interesting to see how much we've got for him. Good luck to the bloke, I hope he does well there which i'm sure he will. I still wish we were keeping him. It's a risk selling a goalscorer as good as that,

If it finally goes' through, it will probably be undisclosed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2013, 10:32:47 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

I thought Palace was a done deal ( someone on here said )   

the way ppl talk about Barry , you would think he was Stephen Ireland .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 15, 2013, 11:09:25 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 15, 2013, 10:32:47 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 15, 2013, 09:01:20 AM

Ssn just said Bent to undergo medical at Fulham today.

I thought Palace was a done deal ( someone on here said )   

the way ppl talk about Barry , you would think he was Stephen Ireland .

He is, in the way I didn't want either when Citeh were finished with them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

We could do with recouping some of the sum we forked out on Bent (and he's not the only one). I'd rather take 3m than have him out on loan, pointlessly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 15, 2013, 11:24:10 AM

The sooner loans between Premier League clubs are banned the better.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

We could do with recouping some of the sum we forked out on Bent (and he's not the only one). I'd rather take 3m than have him out on loan, pointlessly.

In terms of how it effects our ability to bring in more new players, I'd say that the wages are more important than the fee.  So, if they're picking up his full wages, I'd class a loan as a necessary evil.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:31:44 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

We could do with recouping some of the sum we forked out on Bent (and he's not the only one). I'd rather take 3m than have him out on loan, pointlessly.

In terms of how it effects our ability to bring in more new players, I'd say that the wages are more important than the fee.  So, if they're picking up his full wages, I'd class a loan as a necessary evil.

Take your point, but I am not at all sure we should be writing off fees in favour of wages, money in for players can help.

Get into the habit of loaning him and at the end of it, we lose - for nothing - a player we paid 18m for. Loan him and part or all of his salary gets paid. Sell him and the salary is off the books, plus we've got some of the capital investment back.

Thinking about it, have we actually sold anyone this summer?

When was the last time we did? Did we get anything for Makoun in the end?

Dunne, Holman, Lichaj, Cuellar, Warnock, Heskey, Collins - I reckon Collins is the only one of that lot to fetch a fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2013, 11:46:29 AM

At least he won't be able to play against us seeing as it's a loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 15, 2013, 11:48:42 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

We could do with recouping some of the sum we forked out on Bent (and he's not the only one). I'd rather take 3m than have him out on loan, pointlessly.

In terms of how it effects our ability to bring in more new players, I'd say that the wages are more important than the fee.  So, if they're picking up his full wages, I'd class a loan as a necessary evil.

Info coming in that Palace are paying £40k of his weekly wages - I guess that leaves us with £25k.

Then a bonus of £2 million if he helps Palace to stay up.

So we still 'own' him, but he costs £25k per week and we can sell him next year.

Good deal ? It's the best we've had apparently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:51:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:31:44 AM

Get into the habit of loaning him and at the end of it, we lose - for nothing - a player we paid 18m for. Loan him and part or all of his salary gets paid. Sell him and the salary is off the books, plus we've got some of the capital investment back.

If you sell him and the buyer won't pay him what we are, then we pay the difference.  If he's got two years left and any nuyer pays say £40k a week, then you're looking at anything up £4m of the fee going to Bent, dependent on what his exact wages are.

My own issue with it the basics of why nobody is willing to pay the market rate striker with his proven scoring record.  And for me, that's a bare minimum of £8m and £60k a week.       
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:55:21 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:51:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:31:44 AM

Get into the habit of loaning him and at the end of it, we lose - for nothing - a player we paid 18m for. Loan him and part or all of his salary gets paid. Sell him and the salary is off the books, plus we've got some of the capital investment back.

If you sell him and the buyer won't pay him what we are, then we pay the difference.  If he's got two years left and any nuyer pays say £40k a week, then you're looking at anything up £4m of the fee going to Bent, dependent on what his exact wages are.

That is the same with a loan though - they're not going to be paying his full salary, necessarily, and after a year, the player is worth even less.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:55:57 AM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on August 15, 2013, 11:48:42 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

We could do with recouping some of the sum we forked out on Bent (and he's not the only one). I'd rather take 3m than have him out on loan, pointlessly.

In terms of how it effects our ability to bring in more new players, I'd say that the wages are more important than the fee.  So, if they're picking up his full wages, I'd class a loan as a necessary evil.

Info coming in that Palace are paying £40k of his weekly wages - I guess that leaves us with £25k.

Then a bonus of £2 million if he helps Palace to stay up.

So we still 'own' him, but he costs £25k per week and we can sell him next year.

Good deal ? It's the best we've had apparently.

He's going to Fulham now, by the looks of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:57:38 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:55:21 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 15, 2013, 11:51:01 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:31:44 AM

Get into the habit of loaning him and at the end of it, we lose - for nothing - a player we paid 18m for. Loan him and part or all of his salary gets paid. Sell him and the salary is off the books, plus we've got some of the capital investment back.

If you sell him and the buyer won't pay him what we are, then we pay the difference.  If he's got two years left and any nuyer pays say £40k a week, then you're looking at anything up £4m of the fee going to Bent, dependent on what his exact wages are.

That is the same with a loan though - they're not going to be paying his full salary, necessarily, and after a year, the player is worth even less.

Neither is an ideal sceanrio. 

I'd imagine that the club are simply taking the best offer they can get.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 15, 2013, 12:07:34 PM

I wonder if we are going to see Newcastle coming in for him, Fulham have refused to comment on the medical.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2013, 12:41:57 PM

A loan is fine provided it also involves a loan fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2013, 12:55:50 PM

Come on Barcodes and Palace. Get into a bidding war with Fulham and give us what the Dazzler is worth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 15, 2013, 12:56:29 PM

A loan fee is good.
I think this could suit us in some ways. If he goes and scores 20 goals. Come next summer we'll be in a position to ask for more money than we can now, regardless of him being in his last 12 months. If we get a decent loan fee, get his wages off the books for a season, then can demand 7-8 mill next summer, that'll work out well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2013, 01:21:16 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 15, 2013, 12:56:29 PM

A loan fee is good.
I think this could suit us in some ways. If he goes and scores 20 goals. Come next summer we'll be in a position to ask for more money than we can now, regardless of him being in his last 12 months. If we get a decent loan fee, get his wages off the books for a season, then can demand 7-8 mill next summer, that'll work out well.

I reckon there will be a loan fee, full or very close to full wages paid for the year which is what Villa really want and a knock down transfer fee at the end of it all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2013, 01:34:32 PM

How will we be able to get 7-8m for a 30 year old with one season left on his contract ?

We'll be lucky to get 4m next summer. Makes no sense at all to me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 15, 2013, 01:38:49 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2013, 01:34:32 PM

How will we be able to get 7-8m for a 30 year old with one season left on his contract ?

We won't. But it also seems like we're not going to get that this summer, so we may as well get what we can if we're not planning on using him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2013, 01:45:02 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2013, 01:34:32 PM

How will we be able to get 7-8m for a 30 year old with one season left on his contract ?

We'll be lucky to get 4m next summer. Makes no sense at all to me

We are seemingly asking for 6m now and there are no takers which I find amazing. If we ship him out this season, save 3-4m or so on wages and then get 4m as a fee next season then that seems a decent compromise.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 15, 2013, 01:45:23 PM

I think it's a good move. As others have said if he has a good season with Fulham might see us getting more than we'd have got this year. Plus, he's a guaranteed goal scorer, so the fact he can play against our rivals but not us is a positive. That said, on the other side of that coin he does strengthen Fulham who you see as a team around midtable like us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 15, 2013, 01:48:38 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 15, 2013, 01:45:23 PM

I think it's a good move. As others have said if he has a good season with Fulham might see us getting more than we'd have got this year. Plus, he's a guaranteed goal scorer, so the fact he can play against our rivals but not us is a positive. That said, on the other side of that coin he does strengthen Fulham who you see as a team around midtable like us.

Yep - if they pay all his wages then likely a good deal all round, assuming both of us are not in a relegation battle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 15, 2013, 01:53:25 PM

Presumably on a loan deal he would not play against us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2013, 02:08:40 PM

have we made enough savings in wages to add one more signing yet. Let hope so.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2013, 02:16:47 PM

Surely there would be a loan fee to go with the wages they are paying him? Half a million to one million maybe?

I wonder has he obstructed any move by not handing in a transfer request. It's the club who want rid rather than him demanding to leave so I understand why he wouldn't but if he handed in a request it might be easier for him to get a move  as we wouldn't have to pay him more money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 15, 2013, 02:49:19 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2013, 11:20:09 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 11:11:46 AM

Telegraph saying it's a loan for Bent

FFS, these loans get on my tits.

Tits go on loans!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 15, 2013, 03:02:52 PM

Ireland hasnt as of yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 15, 2013, 05:00:55 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2013, 01:34:32 PM

How will we be able to get 7-8m for a 30 year old with one season left on his contract ?

We'll be lucky to get 4m next summer. Makes no sense at all to me

If he scored 20 goals, which is entirely possible, I think we'll get as much, if not more than what we could get for him now. That said, I think Benty will only play 20-30 games between injuries in all honesty. We're not talking much more but 6-8 instead of 4-5 mill is something. Just guess work mind, and all dependant on him netting plenty of goals for them and having plenty of takers.

Didn't Berbatov cost Fulham about 5 million with only a year to run?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on August 15, 2013, 05:30:38 PM

There has got to be something drastically wrong when we cannot flog a player for 4 million that we paid between 18 - 24 million not more than a couple of seasons ago.
A proven goalscorer, who could yet find himself on a plane to Brazil next year..it just doesn't make sense?

Maybe he is crocked?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Isa on August 15, 2013, 05:57:43 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2013, 01:34:32 PM

How will we be able to get 7-8m for a 30 year old with one season left on his contract ?

We'll be lucky to get 4m next summer. Makes no sense at all to me

Even if we get £4m for him. Add the £2m we'll get for the loan fee and that's the £6m we were asking for him anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2013, 05:58:44 PM

It's the huge wages he's on plus the fact we've pretty blatantly advertised the fact that he has no future with us. Any chairman with half a brain is going to get leverage with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2013, 06:57:17 PM

Maybe the professional footballing microcosmic world knows something we don't (Bent has an injury that could mean he misses large chinks of the season)? 

Might be that the kind of clubs he's being courted by aren't willing to offer Bent the wages he wants/gets at Villa now, in case they get relegated and he bleeds them dry in the championship?  He's on mega wages so that would make sense. 

Odd on the surface but there must be a reason he's off on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2013, 07:32:18 PM

Meanwhile, back on the "Bent's on his way (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49760.0)" thread ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2013, 08:32:36 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 15, 2013, 02:16:47 PM

Surely there would be a loan fee to go with the wages they are paying him? Half a million to one million maybe?

I wonder has he obstructed any move by not handing in a transfer request. It's the club who want rid rather than him demanding to leave so I understand why he wouldn't but if he handed in a request it might be easier for him to get a move  as we wouldn't have to pay him more money.

Interesting thought that. Might work out best for the club all round, 2m loan fee, 3m wages saved, good season he goes for 5 million anyway next, and he "loyalty" bonus reduces as he only has a year left on his deal. Indeed, I can see another loan for a decent loan fee happening next summer to avoid having to fork out the last year of his deal as his bonus.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 15, 2013, 09:31:51 PM

if we have same deal in 12 months time it means we got 10 millions instead of 6 millions asking price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 15, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 13, 2013, 10:25:30 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

LOL - what are you implying Eric?

Hat trick yesterday for Jozy !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 16, 2013, 08:31:06 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 15, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 13, 2013, 10:25:30 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

LOL - what are you implying Eric?

Hat trick yesterday for Jozy !!

Indeed I rate him quite highly and Yanks have a good record playing England's top league.

However I don't rate the other dross you have been alluding over previous weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 16, 2013, 10:59:02 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 15, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 13, 2013, 10:25:30 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

Quote

what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

LOL - what are you implying Eric?

Hat trick yesterday for Jozy !!

I have put Altidore in my  sky fantasy team on the recomendation of VK,
you knockers will not be smiling when I've collected the 30k prize money come the end of the season

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 16, 2013, 11:00:12 AM

I tried to put Spearing in my team, but for some reason he's not there  :'(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tjmill on August 16, 2013, 11:16:04 AM

still cant understand the thinking behind the darren bent loan deal to fulham....its to one of our rivals and why a loan?
i could undertand a perm deal to give us the money to replace him and get him off the wage bill for good but a 1 year loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2013, 11:22:08 AM

Quote from: tjmill on August 16, 2013, 11:16:04 AM

still cant understand the thinking behind the darren bent loan deal to fulham....its to one of our rivals and why a loan?
i could undertand a perm deal to give us the money to replace him and get him off the wage bill for good but a 1 year loan?

They've paid us a loan fee and are covering his wages in full.

In addition, if he scores 20 goals this season for Fulham we'll probably get more for him next summer than we will get now.

I really can't see the downside.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 16, 2013, 11:53:12 AM

Fonz has gone to Blackpool on loan until January as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on August 16, 2013, 11:53:27 AM

Just saw Nathan Delfounso has gone back to Blackpool until January.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 16, 2013, 11:58:40 AM

Because there isn't a downside, once you consider he has no place here. Which is something I still struggle with but accept.
£2m in the coffers and £80k per week freed up to pay new players who will be needed.

Then again, Fulham will do very well out of it too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 16, 2013, 12:11:41 PM

Good luck to him, shame it couldn't work out but he did what we asked for two years and the deal makes sense for us now.

As for Delfouneso, how much of his career has he spent out on loan so far?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 16, 2013, 12:19:58 PM

Quote from: not3bad on August 16, 2013, 11:53:27 AM

Just saw Nathan Delfounso has gone back to Blackpool until January.

At least we have Bowery ... DOH!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2013, 12:22:36 PM

Presumably the Fonz situation is similar to Bent. Clubs are put-off by any transfer fee due to the wages the player is on.

Any Championship side is likely to baulk at matching Nathan's wages - didn't someone say he was on the same as Bannan - £17k?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 12:45:57 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Bent is that given how he’s not kicked-up the slightest fuss about being exiled from the first-team squad, surely we could have used to him to more effect from the bench last season?  I’m sure he would have been more use in that role than Bowery, as his goal at home against WBA showed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 16, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 12:45:57 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Bent is that given how he’s not kicked-up the slightest fuss about being exiled from the first-team squad, surely we could have used to him to more effect from the bench last season?  I’m sure he would have been more use in that role than Bowery, as his goal at home against WBA showed.

It doesn't add up. Lambert makes him captain, drops him, hardly plays him and then he is told he's not needed.
Whatever is said to the media, I imagine there has been a disagreement.

Just wanting him out of the club doesn't make sense, I'm sure he would have had more game time otherwise.

Shame, I like Bent. But can't complain what we have up front, can we?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 16, 2013, 01:10:46 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 16, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 12:45:57 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Bent is that given how he’s not kicked-up the slightest fuss about being exiled from the first-team squad, surely we could have used to him to more effect from the bench last season?  I’m sure he would have been more use in that role than Bowery, as his goal at home against WBA showed.

It doesn't add up. Lambert makes him captain, drops him, hardly plays him and then he is told he's not needed.
Whatever is said to the media, I imagine there has been a disagreement.

Just wanting him out of the club doesn't make sense, I'm sure he would have had more game time otherwise.

Shame, I like Bent. But can't complain what we have up front, can we?

Bent wasn't fit for much of last season. He missed half of the season before with injury too. When he did play last season too, he appeared to have lost a couple of yards of pace, which basically took away a large part of his game, being the ability to play off the shoulder of the last defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 16, 2013, 01:14:22 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 16, 2013, 12:19:58 PM

Quote from: not3bad on August 16, 2013, 11:53:27 AM

Just saw Nathan Delfounso has gone back to Blackpool until January.

At least we have Bowery ... DOH!

And Weimann, Helenius, Gabby and...oh I know I've forgotten someone. Small ears, big gap between his front teeth, you know the chap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on August 16, 2013, 01:16:12 PM

It is a strange thing to be relieved that the club has moved out two strikers on whom we previously pinned such hopes, on the same morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Pete3206 on August 16, 2013, 01:33:05 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on August 16, 2013, 01:16:12 PM

It is a strange thing to be relieved that the club has moved out two strikers on whom we previously pinned such hopes, on the same morning.

Were there many pinning their hopes on Delfouneso? Never looked the part, for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2013, 01:59:06 PM

I can see us getting another forward player now before the deadline. The dutch guy we were linked with would make sense as he can play both the wide roles and up top.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 02:01:11 PM

Dutch guy...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 02:06:24 PM

Pellegrini has said this about Scot Sinclair today: "He is here in the squad and he wants to play more and we will see what happens with him today or tomorrow but if he wants to go on loan then we will look into that as there are good players in his way."

I wouldn't want us to loan him, but if we're looking for an attacking midfielder who can also play out wide I think we could do a lot, lot worse...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 16, 2013, 02:10:37 PM

Benteke, Gabby, Weimann and Helenius is surely enough strikers to get by with? I don't see Bowery getting game time so to bring him into the discussion is irrelevant. Bent doesn't fit into how we play and Delfouneso isn't good enough from Premier League level so both are better off playing elsewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 02:20:50 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 16, 2013, 02:10:37 PM

Benteke, Gabby, Weimann and Helenius is surely enough strikers to get by with? I don't see Bowery getting game time so to bring him into the discussion is irrelevant. Bent doesn't fit into how we play and Delfouneso isn't good enough from Premier League level so both are better off playing elsewhere.

It depends, if Tonev is going to play wide left and Albrighton is considered worth a go wide right then yes we're ok, if not then we've effectively got 4 senior players to cover 3 spots in the squad.  I wouldn't be surprised to see someone who is happy to play attacking mid and wide right being considered, them him and Tonev offer cover for a couple of positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 16, 2013, 02:37:32 PM

I get the feeling he does want to give Albrighton a shot - the big clue is not being in the bomb squad - so I think we are covered in these positions. It's the number 10 we lack going forward, and there is an argument for getting another centre back (though I think Lambert's likely to go with the four of Vlaar, Baker, Clark and Okore going for two spaces).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 16, 2013, 02:38:06 PM

I cannot see Lambert being after another striker at all personally

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on August 16, 2013, 02:38:36 PM

I think one new face will arrive before the window closes but if not I'm still happy with the business Lambert has done. I think we definitely have a better squad of hungry, more technical players than we did the last 2 odd seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 16, 2013, 02:42:39 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 16, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 12:45:57 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Bent is that given how he’s not kicked-up the slightest fuss about being exiled from the first-team squad, surely we could have used to him to more effect from the bench last season?  I’m sure he would have been more use in that role than Bowery, as his goal at home against WBA showed.

It doesn't add up. Lambert makes him captain, drops him, hardly plays him and then he is told he's not needed.
Whatever is said to the media, I imagine there has been a disagreement.

Just wanting him out of the club doesn't make sense, I'm sure he would have had more game time otherwise.

Shame, I like Bent. But can't complain what we have up front, can we?

Purely from a footballing/ ability point of view, Bent would still have plenty to offer us. 

If he was one of the many players we've signed over the past 12 months for nominal fees, I'm pretty certain he'd have featured more regularly.

What complicates matters in his case is the wage he commands and the conditions of his transfer from Sunderland to us.  It was £18 million rising to £24 million, and it's quite possible another instalment was just about due, based on appearances. 

I can well believe that Lambert and Bent never fell out, Bent doesn't have a reputation as a troublemaker. But it makes little sense that a player who was captain of the team and a big player for us at the start of the last campaign couldn't even make the squad by the second half of the season. It might not have suited the way we play to have Bent and Benteke in the same starting line up, and he wasn't going to keep the latter out of the team.  But -based on ability alone- he was plenty good enough for our bench.   

But having to stump up an extra £4-6 million for a bit part player when funds were already tight wouldn't appeal to most managers.  Particularly if it was in relation to a player they inherited, rather than bought themselves.  And particularly if that ate into next seasons budget.  Captain Darren Bent who was bagging 20 goals per season and was a crucial part of the side might be worth that.  Bit part Bent wouldn't be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 02:52:11 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 16, 2013, 02:37:32 PM

I get the feeling he does want to give Albrighton a shot - the big clue is not being in the bomb squad - so I think we are covered in these positions. It's the number 10 we lack going forward, and there is an argument for getting another centre back (though I think Lambert's likely to go with the four of Vlaar, Baker, Clark and Okore going for two spaces).

I think, if nothing else, Albrighton's attitude sets him apart from those in the bomb-squad. Every time he puts the shirt on he looks like he'll run himself into the ground for the cause.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 16, 2013, 02:53:58 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 16, 2013, 02:10:37 PM

Benteke, Gabby, Weimann and Helenius is surely enough strikers to get by with? I don't see Bowery getting game time so to bring him into the discussion is irrelevant. Bent doesn't fit into how we play and Delfouneso isn't good enough from Premier League level so both are better off playing elsewhere.

I think this is right - add Tonev, Bacuna, Bowery and Albrighton as players who can play behind the strikers or wide (and Robinson, Carruthers, Grealish and Burke as long-stops) and I think it is all covered.

Bowery may not have made it last season in terms of hitting the back of the net but PL obviously sees something and he is a big, quick front-runner; he may actually improve!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 03:27:36 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 16, 2013, 02:37:32 PM

I get the feeling he does want to give Albrighton a shot - the big clue is not being in the bomb squad - so I think we are covered in these positions. It's the number 10 we lack going forward, and there is an argument for getting another centre back (though I think Lambert's likely to go with the four of Vlaar, Baker, Clark and Okore going for two spaces).

I started posting this in the Bent thread where the subject is starting to appear but I didn't want to derail it further so I refrained...

The issue with our central defenders (and full backs really as well) is that, at the start of last season the bulk of our defence had a total of 47 games as premier league players (35 for Clark and 12 for Baker - neither regularly in the centre of defence though).  As a group they now have over 200 games at this level, we need to give them a chance to show that as an experienced group with a summer together behind them, they are capable of cutting down the errors.  I think we'll concede a number regardless because our fullbacks get forward and we will be countered, but the 20-30goals last season from poor marking at set pieces and individual errors should be the target to improve, got those down to 10-15 and we'll be much better off, start keeping the ball better and we'll concede less as well.  If we can get the goals against below 50 I'm happy this year, 69 was far too many last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 16, 2013, 03:44:52 PM

Quote from: KevinGage on August 16, 2013, 02:42:39 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 16, 2013, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 16, 2013, 12:45:57 PM

The one thing that bugs me about Bent is that given how he’s not kicked-up the slightest fuss about being exiled from the first-team squad, surely we could have used to him to more effect from the bench last season?  I’m sure he would have been more use in that role than Bowery, as his goal at home against WBA showed.

It doesn't add up. Lambert makes him captain, drops him, hardly plays him and then he is told he's not needed.
Whatever is said to the media, I imagine there has been a disagreement.

Just wanting him out of the club doesn't make sense, I'm sure he would have had more game time otherwise.

Shame, I like Bent. But can't complain what we have up front, can we?

Purely from a footballing/ ability point of view, Bent would still have plenty to offer us. 

If he was one of the many players we've signed over the past 12 months for nominal fees, I'm pretty certain he'd have featured more regularly.

What complicates matters in his case is the wage he commands and the conditions of his transfer from Sunderland to us.  It was £18 million rising to £24 million, and it's quite possible another instalment was just about due, based on appearances. 

I can well believe that Lambert and Bent never fell out, Bent doesn't have a reputation as a troublemaker. But it makes little sense that a player who was captain of the team and a big player for us at the start of the last campaign couldn't even make the squad by the second half of the season. It might not have suited the way we play to have Bent and Benteke in the same starting line up, and he wasn't going to keep the latter out of the team.  But -based on ability alone- he was plenty good enough for our bench.   

But having to stump up an extra £4-6 million for a bit part player when funds were already tight wouldn't appeal to most managers.  Particularly if it was in relation to a player they inherited, rather than bought themselves.  And particularly if that ate into next seasons budget.  Captain Darren Bent who was bagging 20 goals per season and was a crucial part of the side might be worth that.  Bit part Bent wouldn't be.

In today's press it quotes Jol as saying he thinks "Bent will give them pace up front and he is able to hold the ball up and supports the play" - if he can get Bent to do that good luck to him - but he didn't do much of that playing for us!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2013, 03:56:07 PM

I agree strongly with all that Paul. I think they need to be given the opportunity to fail. At the moment they might be below the level we'd hope but they're improving reasonably rapidly.

If they don't get games now then they'll never improve or the rate of improvement will quickly slow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 16, 2013, 06:04:02 PM

Still need another CB and a No.10 type would be a bonus.  But please another good defender .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2013, 06:29:54 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 02:20:50 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 16, 2013, 02:10:37 PM

Benteke, Gabby, Weimann and Helenius is surely enough strikers to get by with? I don't see Bowery getting game time so to bring him into the discussion is irrelevant. Bent doesn't fit into how we play and Delfouneso isn't good enough from Premier League level so both are better off playing elsewhere.

It depends, if Tonev is going to play wide left and Albrighton is considered worth a go wide right then yes we're ok, if not then we've effectively got 4 senior players to cover 3 spots in the squad.  I wouldn't be surprised to see someone who is happy to play attacking mid and wide right being considered, them him and Tonev offer cover for a couple of positions.

Don't forget the Zog. He'll back to his moody best by the time the clocks go back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2013, 06:42:57 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 16, 2013, 06:04:02 PM

Still need another CB and a No.10 type would be a bonus.  But please another good defender .

Not the greatest defender around, but Russell Martin from Norwich would be a decent signing especially as he could provide cover both RB and CB.  We have been linked with him in the past, but he's captain of Norwich this season so I can't see it happening.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 16, 2013, 06:49:26 PM

don't need another striker as we got 3/4 players playing main target man role if needed and 4 players can play in wide role. We just need to tightened up the defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 16, 2013, 07:06:44 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2013, 06:29:54 PM

Don't forget the Zog ...

I'm trying hard to, eamonn.
Not quite as much a waster as young Stephen "punchable face" Ireland, but not far off. IMHO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on August 16, 2013, 07:16:45 PM

Wrong thread....sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 16, 2013, 07:44:38 PM

guy from Sochaux that we have been linked with scored after 4 min v lyon tonight

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 09:12:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 16, 2013, 06:29:54 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 16, 2013, 02:20:50 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 16, 2013, 02:10:37 PM

Benteke, Gabby, Weimann and Helenius is surely enough strikers to get by with? I don't see Bowery getting game time so to bring him into the discussion is irrelevant. Bent doesn't fit into how we play and Delfouneso isn't good enough from Premier League level so both are better off playing elsewhere.

It depends, if Tonev is going to play wide left and Albrighton is considered worth a go wide right then yes we're ok, if not then we've effectively got 4 senior players to cover 3 spots in the squad.  I wouldn't be surprised to see someone who is happy to play attacking mid and wide right being considered, them him and Tonev offer cover for a couple of positions.

Don't forget the Zog. He'll back to his moody best by the time the clocks go back.

Not forgetting him  but his squad number suggests we may as well, I doubt he'll ever play for us again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 16, 2013, 10:08:39 PM

Quote from: john e on August 16, 2013, 10:59:02 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 15, 2013, 10:40:25 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 13, 2013, 10:25:30 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 13, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on August 13, 2013, 09:26:20 PM

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what Bale money ?

he still hasnt gone anywhere yet

He has. They just haggling over the fine details thats all. He's been there since May to all intent.

Benteke needs at least another great season to be classed in the same category as the likes of Lewandoswki. And an exceptional WC. Thats not to denigrate the guy - he could certainly be in the top 5 strikers in the continent by the time he's 25 at this rate. But not just yet.

Altidore up there too?

LOL - what are you implying Eric?

Hat trick yesterday for Jozy !!

I have put Altidore in my  sky fantasy team on the recomendation of VK,
you knockers will not be smiling when I've collected the 30k prize money come the end of the season

Good Job !! I have a front 3 of Bent Benteke and Altidore that is a goal scoring dream!!
Players i have taken and recommend
John Stones attacking defender up coming signed from barnsley to everton - hidden gem
david marshall- cardiff 1st choice my back up gk to cech.. cardiff strong defensively
Downing of now west ham will be playing lots and assisting . Jedinak palace cheap option as good as delph.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 17, 2013, 12:35:37 AM

It is a shame about Bent going, and that we didn't get more out of him, but it is for the best if he is not in the managers plans and I am more confident than we can do without him this season than last.  Also maybe if he does well at Fulham and proves his fitness then maybe we can take another look at him in a years time if we are struggling for goals.

Focusing on defence maybe the one area to improve right now, but hopefully with a more settled back line this season and with more games from Vlaar then things will begin to click back there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2013, 01:26:28 AM

Quote from: Malandro on August 16, 2013, 07:44:38 PM

guy from Sochaux that we have been linked with scored after 4 min v lyon tonight

Looks very much a bums off seats type of player, which in tight home games could be really, really useful to commit people and get space.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2013, 09:09:39 AM

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/odds-lengthen-bale-rooney-suarez-moves-season-starts-210457449.html

Take a look at this article fellas. I won't tell you what to look for, but there's a table with odds regarding certainly players moving. There's one that'll give you all a bit of a giggle. Obviously Yahoo sport is trying to rival some of the most bobbins sports reporting out there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2013, 09:28:59 AM

in Bleacher Report (Take it with pinch of salt)

Paris Saint-Germain head coach Laurent Blanc has confirmed that defender Mamadou Sakho has asked to leave the club, as Nick Lustig of the Daily Star reported.

The 23-year-old claimed he was flattered at being linked with clubs such as Liverpool and AC Milan earlier this summer, noted Alec Fenn of Goal.com.

The Frenchman slipped behind Thiago Silva and Alex in the pecking order for the central-defensive roles last season, while new PSG signing Marquinhos will leave Sakho's first-team opportunities further limited.

But Blanc insists there is still time to find a solution to the situation before the transfer window closes on September 2.

Might be worth a look to replace Mr Vlaar and then we got two powerful central defender with him and Okoke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:15:44 AM

Dont know if it has been mentioned but the people reckon that Real Madrid want Helenius for £5 million!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2013, 10:19:23 AM

That sounds fictional.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2013, 10:22:23 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:15:44 AM

Dont know if it has been mentioned but the people reckon that Real Madrid want Helenius for £5 million!

If that was true I'd wait for a season and sell him for three times that. I think he'll have a big role to play this season and do well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2013, 10:23:05 AM

Quote from: Montbert on August 18, 2013, 10:19:23 AM

That sounds fictional.

no seriously, its his name

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2013, 10:23:12 AM

Arsenal could do far worse than Shay Given for a couple of years. I'd have Shay over their gloved clowns any day of the week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2013, 10:26:03 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2013, 10:23:12 AM

Arsenal could do far worse than Shay Given for a couple of years. I'd have Shay over their gloved clowns any day of the week.

Their keeper did have a bit of a mare yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 18, 2013, 10:35:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2013, 10:23:12 AM

Arsenal could do far worse than Shay Given for a couple of years. I'd have Shay over their gloved clowns any day of the week.

That's not a bad shout, werent they after cezar from qpr or did he end up going elsewhere as most of arsenals targets seem to do these days ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2013, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:15:44 AM

Dont know if it has been mentioned but the people reckon that Real Madrid want Helenius for £5 million!

That sounds like an incredible load of bollocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:44:47 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2013, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:15:44 AM

Dont know if it has been mentioned but the people reckon that Real Madrid want Helenius for £5 million!

That sounds like an incredible load of bollocks.



It sounded so left field though that i wondered whether it might be true. Apparently they want him initially for their B team http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/aston-villa/transfer-talk/news/real-madrid-want-villa-striker_99291.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2013, 11:21:59 AM

but who want to play for any B team.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2013, 11:25:24 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2013, 11:21:59 AM

but who want to play for any B team.

Sting?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on August 18, 2013, 11:34:30 AM

Quote from: Malandro on August 18, 2013, 10:23:05 AM

Quote from: Montbert on August 18, 2013, 10:19:23 AM

That sounds fictional.

no seriously, its his name

Snigger

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2013, 11:36:56 AM

Quote from: Malandro on August 18, 2013, 11:25:24 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 18, 2013, 11:21:59 AM

but who want to play for any B team.

Sting?

Real name: Gordon Sting.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 18, 2013, 12:02:09 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 18, 2013, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: jeowje on August 18, 2013, 10:15:44 AM

Dont know if it has been mentioned but the people reckon that Real Madrid want Helenius for £5 million!

That sounds like an incredible load of bollocks.

My thoughts too. Just filling space as must have ran out of ads

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2013, 12:47:41 PM

It's a bit random to say the least.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2013, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 18, 2013, 10:35:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2013, 10:23:12 AM

Arsenal could do far worse than Shay Given for a couple of years. I'd have Shay over their gloved clowns any day of the week.

That's not a bad shout, werent they after cezar from qpr or did he end up going elsewhere as most of arsenals targets seem to do these days ?

Yeah. They also seemed to be linked with Schwarzer for the last few years, so I'm surprised they never bagged him on a free. It would also have been better for him playing week in, week out at his age, rather than warming Chelseas bench.

I've never been a fan of Arsenal's two first choice keepers at all. Very dodgy to say the least. Unquestionably the worst set of stoppers for the top 6 clubs (and more).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2013, 01:41:30 PM

Shay Given for Arsenal isn't a bad shout.  They could also do worse by asking us about Gabby.  They looked crap up front with Giroud on his own yesterday.  50mill should just about cover it!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on August 18, 2013, 01:46:51 PM

Quote from: Newby on August 18, 2013, 01:41:30 PM

Shay Given for Arsenal isn't a bad shout.  They could also do worse by asking us about Gabby.  They looked crap up front with Giroud on his own yesterday.  50mill should just about cover it!!

Even as a Villa fan,I think that 50 million for Given is bit steep,£40,000,001 would be acceptable. Gabby is in good health,polite of them for asking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dr.chekov on August 18, 2013, 02:22:56 PM

This was tweeted by Helenius' agent and then Helenius retweeted it:

Funny rumours today. Can assure u that @NicklasHelenius is going nowhere but Bodymor Heath! #caseclosed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2013, 07:40:22 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

Never heard of her.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 18, 2013, 07:42:44 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2013, 07:40:22 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

Never heard of her.

Wasn't she the barmaid in elderado?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2013, 07:52:28 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

That's a bit cheeky of them. £15m is no small change and I'm guessing David Levy thought so too and tried to use his fantastic bargaining skills again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2013, 07:53:32 PM

The Mirror claims we're interested in Wijnaldum from PSV. Attacking midfielder by the looks of things.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2013, 07:40:22 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

Never heard of her.

She's just left NCIS ...........   I'll get my Cote !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2013, 08:06:37 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 18, 2013, 08:04:11 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2013, 07:40:22 PM

Quote from: David_Nab on August 18, 2013, 07:34:29 PM

Southampton have brought Pablo Osvaldo from Roma

Never heard of her.

She's just left NCIS ...........   I'll get my Cote !

Is that some random American thing?

*throws coat*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2013, 08:14:01 PM

No, Chilean

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: West_Malvern_Villa on August 18, 2013, 08:17:29 PM

Arsenal plot double swoop for PSV pair Georginio Wijnaldum and Zakaria Bakkali.

Perhaps Wijnaldum has decided we're a better option than Arsenal after yesterday.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/422051/Arsenal-plot-double-swoop-for-PSV-pair-Georginio-Wijnaldum-and-Zakaria-Bakkali

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2013, 08:24:39 PM

Get Bakkali. He's Belgian.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2013, 09:14:22 PM

Quote from: West_Malvern_Villa on August 18, 2013, 08:17:29 PM

Arsenal plot double swoop for PSV pair Georginio Wijnaldum and Zakaria Bakkali.

Perhaps Wijnaldum has decided we're a better option than Arsenal after yesterday.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/422051/Arsenal-plot-double-swoop-for-PSV-pair-Georginio-Wijnaldum-and-Zakaria-Bakkali

Maybe Wenger plans to play with no defence, no central midfield, one lone striker. How many wingers and attacking midfielders does he need? Can't see us spending on Wijnaldum but you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:05:43 PM

When you look at what we have spent, what we have saved wages wise and then look at how much others have spent this summer you would think a couple of bigger signings are not beyond us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:09:46 PM

Probably not beyond us, but also probably not crucial.

Another defender or another attacking midfielder wouldn't be turned away, but I don't think that anything is urgent.

Unless the right player is there then I'm happy to wait.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:22:27 PM

A defender that can play right back would be useful, but I think a genuinely pacy forward option that can step up if Gabby is out is really important to our game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:22:27 PM

A defender that can play right back would be useful, but I think a genuinely pacy forward option that can step up if Gabby is out is really important to our game.

Is that not Okore and Tonev?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:28:49 PM

Not convinced Tobev brings what Gabby does, and with Baker and Vlaar being made of glass I think he will be vital in the centre.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2013, 11:34:49 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:22:27 PM

A defender that can play right back would be useful, but I think a genuinely pacy forward option that can step up if Gabby is out is really important to our game.

Is that not Okore and Tonev?

Yep and Tonev can cover the "number 10" role as well.  If we are going to continue with the three man midfield then we may need to bolster numbers in there, as another injury means we would be relying on the likes of Gardner.  I think James McCarthy from Wigan would be ideal (fits our age profile as well) if available at the right price. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:36:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:28:49 PM

Not convinced Tobev brings what Gabby does, and with Baker and Vlaar being made of glass I think he will be vital in the centre.

That's why the squad is there though. We're not in the position where we bring in someone to offer exactly the same thing as Gabby does, because if we had that player then he'd be playing. Because Gabby is really good. So we make do with someone who is not the same, but brings different qualities. So we adapt.

On the defence. We have four central defenders, none of whom seem to be much more senior than any other (possibly Vlaar excepted). If two of them happen to be out then we have two left. If things go astonishingly badly then we bring a youth player (i.e Donacien) in. But that's not much different to most teams, and it's the way that most youth players come through these days - filling in because the senior players are injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2013, 11:50:20 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:36:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:28:49 PM

Not convinced Tobev brings what Gabby does, and with Baker and Vlaar being made of glass I think he will be vital in the centre.

That's why the squad is there though. We're not in the position where we bring in someone to offer exactly the same thing as Gabby does, because if we had that player then he'd be playing. Because Gabby is really good. So we make do with someone who is not the same, but brings different qualities. So we adapt.

On the defence. We have four central defenders, none of whom seem to be much more senior than any other (possibly Vlaar excepted). If two of them happen to be out then we have two left. If things go astonishingly badly then we bring a youth player (i.e Donacien) in. But that's not much different to most teams, and it's the way that most youth players come through these days - filling in because the senior players are injured.

Still have Herd and the option of shifting Lowton across in that scenario.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:52:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:36:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:28:49 PM

Not convinced Tobev brings what Gabby does, and with Baker and Vlaar being made of glass I think he will be vital in the centre.

That's why the squad is there though. We're not in the position where we bring in someone to offer exactly the same thing as Gabby does, because if we had that player then he'd be playing. Because Gabby is really good. So we make do with someone who is not the same, but brings different qualities. So we adapt.

On the defence. We have four central defenders, none of whom seem to be much more senior than any other (possibly Vlaar excepted). If two of them happen to be out then we have two left. If things go astonishingly badly then we bring a youth player (i.e Donacien) in. But that's not much different to most teams, and it's the way that most youth players come through these days - filling in because the senior players are injured.

I understand why you have a squad. I also understand that if it is within your resource to to so, then it is beneficial to have options in that squad, but within that it is very useful, if there is a particular style of player that is crucial to the way you operate you have a similar player that can step in/ compete for a place with him. For me, any attacking midfield player or forward that comes in needs to have pace, as we lose that if Gabby is out and without it we are a significantly less threatening side.

Re the centre of the defence, the caveat to that is that 2 of ours are pretty injury prone, and 1 is likely to cover right back. If we could sign another defender that could be an option to Lowton and play centre half if required, it would be useful in my opinion. "If things go astonishingly badly"... over the last 3 seasons we have witnessed 2 of the worst injury hit runs I can recall in my time of watching the club and it has hurt us. I would still love another holding midfield player that can destroy too just to be safe but understand we are fairly well covered there!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2013, 11:53:13 PM

i think Lambert sees Bacuna as his cover at right back, hence we saw him there a few times in the summer.

I'd like someone who can play all across the attacking midfield as cover for gabby and weimann and a central option.  If we count Tonev as a forward as well that effectively gives us 6 you'd be happy starting a run of games for the 3 spots and then bowery as an option.

Midfield I think we're good, on top of the 3 yesterday you have Bacuna and Sylla right in the mix to play and Gardner and Johnson both needing some game time to see if they can make the step up.  You then have Herd and Albrighton to come back at some point and though neither really have a specific spot in the team they'd slot into they do give us options with the midfield.

the 23 shirt is the only 1-25 that available and unused, I think we'll definitely see someone in to get that number before the window closes, not until after the bank holiday though, because of the schedule.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 12:08:18 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:52:28 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:36:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 18, 2013, 11:28:49 PM

Not convinced Tobev brings what Gabby does, and with Baker and Vlaar being made of glass I think he will be vital in the centre.

That's why the squad is there though. We're not in the position where we bring in someone to offer exactly the same thing as Gabby does, because if we had that player then he'd be playing. Because Gabby is really good. So we make do with someone who is not the same, but brings different qualities. So we adapt.

On the defence. We have four central defenders, none of whom seem to be much more senior than any other (possibly Vlaar excepted). If two of them happen to be out then we have two left. If things go astonishingly badly then we bring a youth player (i.e Donacien) in. But that's not much different to most teams, and it's the way that most youth players come through these days - filling in because the senior players are injured.

I understand why you have a squad. I also understand that if it is within your resource to to so, then it is beneficial to have options in that squad, but within that it is very useful, if there is a particular style of player that is crucial to the way you operate you have a similar player that can step in/ compete for a place with him. For me, any attacking midfield player or forward that comes in needs to have pace, as we lose that if Gabby is out and without it we are a significantly less threatening side.

Re the centre of the defence, the caveat to that is that 2 of ours are pretty injury prone, and 1 is likely to cover right back. If we could sign another defender that could be an option to Lowton and play centre half if required, it would be useful in my opinion. "If things go astonishingly badly"... over the last 3 seasons we have witnessed 2 of the worst injury hit runs I can recall in my time of watching the club and it has hurt us. I would still love another holding midfield player that can destroy too just to be safe but understand we are fairly well covered there!

I agree on the forward but disagree on the defender.  Largely because I don't see the point of another promising young defender, we have 4 of those already, 3 need game time this season and the 4th will want to see a route to the side before long as well, and an experienced defender willing to rotate in and out with the kids is unlikely to have the right attitude.

Up front I agree that we have no direct replacement for Gabby's pace.  We need someone either equally as quick or with exceptional dribbling to drift away from players and make things happen that way.

all that said I'd still like Will Hughes because I think he's special but there's not really a place for him, I'd say the same for pretty much every position.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2013, 12:23:26 AM

That is the crux though, soon we are going to be covered with players Lambert is happy with in all positions realistically. So the next test is to sign players that are improvements, or direct competition realistically. Will Hughes does look quality in the 3-4 times I have seen him.

I forgot Bacuna can play right back. Thank god after his attempt at goal when through yesterday that he is not a forward!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 02:30:15 AM

Yeah, and he wants to be the penalty taker at the Villa. Good luck with that one.

Will feckin' Hughes....are you his agent, Paul?!
Is he that lad with the bleached hair and spotty complexion? Thought we'd farmed Barry Bannan out to Derby when I saw him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 19, 2013, 07:44:10 AM

I wouldn't be too concerned if we didnt sign anymore players , i like the way the squad is developing and the competition for places , another attacking midfielder midfielder may be nice but if it doesn't happen i still think we have a squad capable of having a decent season and looking at a top 10 finish.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 09:44:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on August 18, 2013, 11:09:46 PM

Probably not beyond us, but also probably not crucial.

Another defender or another attacking midfielder wouldn't be turned away, but I don't think that anything is urgent.

Unless the right player is there then I'm happy to wait.

That pretty much sums up what I'm thinking.

We're pretty well covered and can handle all but the most severe injury crisis that would hurt ANY club.  And we have a good enough youth system that even then we can probably handle it better than most.

In order to significantly improve us now I think anyone coming in needs to be a very good player, so given our budget and prudence in the transfer market that's hard to achieve.  If it happens, then great, but If not I have every confidence in the squad we already have. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2013, 10:01:44 AM

Lambert's said that he's got one or two names in his head still. I reckon that'll be it but you never know.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 10:33:42 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 02:30:15 AM

Yeah, and he wants to be the penalty taker at the Villa. Good luck with that one.

Will feckin' Hughes....are you his agent, Paul?!
Is he that lad with the bleached hair and spotty complexion? Thought we'd farmed Barry Bannan out to Derby when I saw him.

I wish, whoever his agent is will be a very rich man in 10-15years time.

As I've said, he reminds me of Zidane, I can't think of a bigger complement to pay to an 18 year old midfielder.  I firmly believe he will be one of the top players in English football within 2-3 seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2013, 10:45:24 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 10:33:42 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 02:30:15 AM

Yeah, and he wants to be the penalty taker at the Villa. Good luck with that one.

Will feckin' Hughes....are you his agent, Paul?!
Is he that lad with the bleached hair and spotty complexion? Thought we'd farmed Barry Bannan out to Derby when I saw him.

I wish, whoever his agent is will be a very rich man in 10-15years time.

As I've said, he reminds me of Zidane, I can't think of a bigger complement to pay to an 18 year old midfielder.  I firmly believe he will be one of the top players in English football within 2-3 seasons.

can we not swap BB for Hughes  without Derby knowing.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 10:50:04 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2013, 10:45:24 AM

can we not swap BB for Hughes  without Derby knowing.

Acoording to Wikipedia Hughes is 6' 1", so good luck with that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2013, 10:52:40 AM

Give Bannan shoes with a 6" heel?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 11:04:29 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 10:50:04 AM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2013, 10:45:24 AM

can we not swap BB for Hughes  without Derby knowing.

Acoording to Wiki Hughes is 6' 1", so good luck with that.

He's strong as an ox as well, I don't see too many defenders bouncing off bannan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 19, 2013, 11:14:03 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 10:33:42 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 02:30:15 AM

Yeah, and he wants to be the penalty taker at the Villa. Good luck with that one.

Will feckin' Hughes....are you his agent, Paul?!
Is he that lad with the bleached hair and spotty complexion? Thought we'd farmed Barry Bannan out to Derby when I saw him.

I wish, whoever his agent is will be a very rich man in 10-15years time.

As I've said, he reminds me of Zidane, I can't think of a bigger complement to pay to an 18 year old midfielder.  I firmly believe he will be one of the top players in English football within 2-3 seasons.

I'd have to say I'd agree from the little I've seen of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 19, 2013, 11:44:04 AM

Lets give Derby Bannan, Ireland and Hutton plus £5 million and ask for nothing in return.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2013, 11:44:58 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

That's what I'd be offering.  They can even keep him for this season so he get 30+ competitive games under his belt.
Derby would be a pretty good location for Hutton and Bannan so I'd like to think that it'd appeal to them too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 19, 2013, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

Maybe in a console game , but in the real world its a non starter for many reasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 11:52:11 AM

I'm gonna guess we've had zero offers for Ireland, so we're paying his wages for the next 12 months regardless.  If that is the case, and Lambert is looking at Hughes, then we could add the 'sweetener' of Ireland on loan for 12 months with no fee and we pay his wages.   
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2013, 12:14:37 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 11:52:11 AM

I'm gonna guess we've had zero offers for Ireland, so we're paying his wages for the next 12 months regardless.  If that is the case, and Lambert is looking at Hughes, then we could add the 'sweetener' of Ireland on loan for 12 months with no fee and we pay his wages.   
 

You must hate Derby sooooooooo much !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2013, 12:15:40 PM

Any news on Enda ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 19, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 19, 2013, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

Maybe in a console game , but in the real world its a non starter for many reasons.

1. They are cocks
2. They are shit
3. They are on high wages
4. The football world know 1,2,3
5. Just to piss us off.


(Sorry Given and Hutton might not be cocks)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2013, 12:19:52 PM

I really hope we're in for Hughes because he looks like he has real quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

I feel like I'm starting a campaign here, we should enlist a few people with some influence, is Julie Bayley frothing at the mouth over anything at the minute?  :D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2013, 12:24:05 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2013, 12:19:52 PM

I really hope we're in for Hughes because he looks like he has real quality.

As far as I know we have not even been linked to him, it's all wishful thinking by H&V posters.
Having said that, such a signing would never have been a priority signing so players of his ilk might be type that Lambert is now looking for (i.e. players for a season or two's time).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 19, 2013, 12:26:52 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 19, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 19, 2013, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

Maybe in a console game , but in the real world its a non starter for many reasons.

1. They are cocks
2. They are shit
3. They are on high wages
4. The football world know 1,2,3
5. Just to piss us off.


(Sorry Given and Hutton might not be cocks)

6 . Would derby want them ?
7. Would they want to go to derby ?
8. No way derby would accept £5m for Hughes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2013, 12:27:23 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 12:21:24 PM

I feel like I'm starting a campaign here, we should enlist a few people with some influence, is Julie Bayley frothing at the mouth over anything at the minute?  :D

No, she was quoting the bible last time i looked.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 19, 2013, 12:45:13 PM

Indeed, she's gone full mental now. Quoting religious nonsense since she was outed as a ITK fraud

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 19, 2013, 12:57:00 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 19, 2013, 12:18:36 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 19, 2013, 11:45:33 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 19, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

If Will Hughes is that good we should do say 5 millions plus three bomb squad member in Bannan, Ireland and Hutton and Arsenal can have Given.

Maybe in a console game , but in the real world its a non starter for many reasons.

1. They are cocks
2. They are shit
3. They are on high wages
4. The football world know 1,2,3
5. Just to piss us off.


(Sorry Given and Hutton might not be cocks)

Didn't Hutton glass his Dad or something?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 19, 2013, 01:53:30 PM

If he is as clumsy in life as on a football pitch he was probably just trying to pass him a drink.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2013, 02:00:20 PM

Hughes will be min £10 million

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2013, 02:02:28 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2013, 12:24:05 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2013, 12:19:52 PM

I really hope we're in for Hughes because he looks like he has real quality.

As far as I know we have not even been linked to him, it's all wishful thinking by H&V posters.
Having said that, such a signing would never have been a priority signing so players of his ilk might be type that Lambert is now looking for (i.e. players for a season or two's time).

interesting Arse , Man city and Liverpool . Not that Arsenal spend any money ;)        I reckon Manure could get him , If they dont get Barkley , now he too looks a brilliant player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 19, 2013, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

I'd be more impressed if you were texting Will's Mom.

(that's a little Inbetweeners joke, for those who don't know!)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 19, 2013, 02:55:54 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

No offence but with your previous track record with ITK's you might as well text Neil's dad*.



*I got the Inbetweeners reference

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 03:05:57 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 19, 2013, 12:15:40 PM

Any news on Enda ?

It's the enda the road for him. Didn't even feature against Shamrock Rovers, a game that wouldn't have happened without his signing.

OlneyTheLonely's sister's mate is best off shot of him anyway. Maybe evalast could set her up with Will Hughes instead.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 19, 2013, 02:55:54 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

No offence but with your previous track record with ITK's you might as well text Neil's dad*.



*I got the Inbetweeners reference

Indeed Chris; I just got back 'Why do you think Will's signing for Villa?'

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 04:00:56 PM

And now..... 'From who? Not that I know of? I hope not!!!!' the cheeky fucker!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 19, 2013, 06:08:22 PM

I wouldn't mind a go on Will's Mum. Sorry, back to the topic in hand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 06:11:26 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 04:00:12 PM

Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 19, 2013, 02:55:54 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

No offence but with your previous track record with ITK's you might as well text Neil's dad*.



*I got the Inbetweeners reference

Indeed Chris; I just got back 'Why do you think Will's signing for Villa?'

"because some random guy on the internet reckons Will is a bit good and we should go in for him before the CL clubs come calling".

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 19, 2013, 06:26:35 PM

Looks like Baker will miss Chelsea-Liverpool games. So we now have Okore out and only Clark-Vlaar available. PL must surely have a dominating young and hungry CB in his thoughts ? It is the position we are crying out for to be filled ........

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2013, 06:32:25 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 19, 2013, 06:26:35 PM

Looks like Baker will miss Chelsea-Liverpool games. So we now have Okore out and only Clark-Vlaar available. PL must surely have a dominating young and hungry CB in his thoughts ? It is the position we are crying out for to be filled ........

Is Okore out? He was on the bench on Saturday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Okore was fine on Sat? Something we have not been told?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 19, 2013, 06:39:57 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 19, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Okore was fine on Sat? Something we have not been told?

Maybe he just fancied starting with Baker and preferred Clark when he went off.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2013, 06:40:02 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 19, 2013, 06:26:35 PM

Looks like Baker will miss Chelsea-Liverpool games. So we now have Okore out and only Clark-Vlaar available. PL must surely have a dominating young and hungry CB in his thoughts ? It is the position we are crying out for to be filled ........

Like Janoi Donacien?

and I don't think Okore is injured, he's just a bit behind on fitness after being out over the summer for a few weeks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 19, 2013, 06:47:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 19, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Okore was fine on Sat? Something we have not been told?

He was on the bench. Think he's lacking match fitness that's all.
Clark played very well when he came on anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on August 19, 2013, 07:12:52 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

Sounds like a family of bluenoses...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 19, 2013, 07:16:55 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on August 19, 2013, 07:12:52 PM

Quote from: evalast1910 on August 19, 2013, 02:47:39 PM

Well I have just texted Will's sister; lets see if he's coming.........

Sounds like a family of bluenoses...

Indeed it does, I can't see will hughes coming here this summer to be honest , i think derby would be looking for the best part of £10m .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2013, 07:57:00 PM

Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 19, 2013, 06:47:47 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 19, 2013, 06:38:06 PM

Okore was fine on Sat? Something we have not been told?

He was on the bench. Think he's lacking match fitness that's all.
Clark played very well when he came on anyway.

yes he did. I think there was two things. One the fitness, but secondly it was quite early in the game that to put another right sided defender may have unbalanced things. So he replaced a left footer with another. Not saying Okore and Vlaar can't play together but I just think it made more sense at the point in the game to go with Clark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 19, 2013, 08:58:09 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 19, 2013, 03:05:57 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 19, 2013, 12:15:40 PM

Any news on Enda ?

It's the enda the road for him. Didn't even feature against Shamrock Rovers, a game that wouldn't have happened without his signing.

OlneyTheLonely's sister's mate is best off shot of him anyway. Maybe evalast could set her up with Will Hughes instead.

Or his sister.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 19, 2013, 10:11:26 PM

PL mentioned after the game that Okore was almost there fitness wise. Long old season pointless to risk losing him by playing him too soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 08:36:57 AM

Disappointed we didn't move on in on parker ! Would have beefed the midfield and added playing nous

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2013, 08:45:10 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 08:36:57 AM

Disappointed we didn't move on in on parker ! Would have beefed the midfield and added playing nous

He's 32 and has got a three year contract at Fulham.

Would you have wanted us to give him that length deal?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2013, 08:45:29 AM

Quote from: Karl Bridges on August 19, 2013, 10:11:26 PM

PL mentioned after the game that Okore was almost there fitness wise. Long old season pointless to risk losing him by playing him too soon.

Worth remembering how much of pre-season he missed, too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 20, 2013, 09:29:09 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2013, 08:45:10 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 08:36:57 AM

Disappointed we didn't move on in on parker ! Would have beefed the midfield and added playing nous

He's 32 and has got a three year contract at Fulham.

Would you have wanted us to give him that length deal?

That would have been an MON sort of signing if ever there was one. We're long past those days now. I think he'll do okay for Fulham for a year, when he plays but to be honest I think he'll probably end up sitting out his last year or two more or less. The legs appear to be going.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 10:08:17 AM

I've always liked Parker as a player, but if you're taking on a 32 year old it needs to be sensible in terms of the finances, which I very much doubt the deal was.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DB on August 20, 2013, 10:15:23 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 10:08:17 AM

I've always liked Parker as a player, but if you're taking on a 32 year old it needs to be sensible in terms of the finances, which I very much doubt the deal was.

...and he's too slow, especially the way Lambert has got us playing on the break.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on August 20, 2013, 10:47:49 AM

Parker now looks to be a shadow of the player he used to be.In his prime he was an outstanding player and badly neglected by England.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 12:17:58 PM

Scott Parker is allergic to living north of the Watford Gap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: alteavilla on August 20, 2013, 12:47:16 PM

shawcross to villa any news or is it all pork porky pies

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 01:05:53 PM

I would take Shawcross like a shot but can't see it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SteveN on August 20, 2013, 01:08:51 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 01:05:53 PM

I would take Shawcross like a shot but can't see it.

He is just what we need, a bloody great big  lump at the back who can put it about a bit and let others play the beautiful game.

We could offer them Ireland as part of the deal.

Dream on N, dream on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 20, 2013, 01:09:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 01:05:53 PM

I would take Shawcross like a shot but can't see it.

I think he's stagnated in the last couple of years. A move could do him good. I don't think he's as good as he potentially was expected to be. He is however an upgrade on Baker and probably Vlaar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2013, 01:17:46 PM

I thought Parker looked well past it at the Euros. Not for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 20, 2013, 01:32:31 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

I hope we don't get too obsessed with buying solely from abroad. Impossible to prove but I do feel that the 'foundations' of any squad are weaker if there is not a strong identity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2013, 01:34:23 PM

I think there is a very strong personal identity amongst the players.

Rumour has it that its a very tight-knit bunch, where they actually all get along quite well with one another. I think that kind of esprit de corps is more valuable than being English, Norwegian or whatever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 20, 2013, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

I think we could find a player as good, or with potential to be better, in the lower leagues. I'd trust Lambert to do that. Sadly though, given how well his lower league signings have been thus far on the whole, you'd find even players like that being a bit pricier.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 20, 2013, 01:54:47 PM

Identity doesn't have to be of a certain nationality though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

The jury is very much out on Vlaar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeS on August 20, 2013, 01:58:34 PM

I kind of agree that there is a risk of buying too many overseas players. But i also think that risk is mitigated if they all speak good English. It sounds as though our current crop do.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:06:13 PM

They do, although I agree that one of the recipes for success is still having a few very good English leaders in the side/ squad, personally I think Shawcross would be worth it as he would add to that backbone, but then with Okore and Vlaar being captain, to justify the outlay in terms of what we have and what we have paid would be difficult.

Twitter rumour of the day is Viktor Fischer. Pretty decent player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 20, 2013, 02:12:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:06:13 PM

They do, although I agree that one of the recipes for success is still having a few very good English leaders in the side/ squad, personally I think Shawcross would be worth it as he would add to that backbone, but then with Okore and Vlaar being captain, to justify the outlay in terms of what we have and what we have paid would be difficult.

Twitter rumour of the day is Viktor Fischer. Pretty decent player.

The Danish wonderkid victor Fischer - good young winger but I'm not sure Ajax would sell him , would be surprised if we were in for him.

I think if Ajax did sell there would be a lot of top clubs in Europe interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 20, 2013, 02:13:10 PM

If you are buying players from Scandanavia and Holland/Belgium the language shouldn't really be a problem. I would also guess that many of our players being of a similar age helps the bonding.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:18:21 PM

I really loathe the term wonderkid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 20, 2013, 02:19:40 PM

It's a word coined for the football manager generation. I hate it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 02:20:26 PM

Villa Toy With Fischer Price As Wantaway Wonderkid Plays Up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:21:11 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 02:20:26 PM

Villa Toy With Fischer Price As Wantaway Wonderkid Plays Up

How long have you been waiting to gurgle that one out?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 20, 2013, 02:21:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:18:21 PM

I really loathe the term wonderkid.

A label given him by the Dutch media i believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 20, 2013, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:18:21 PM

I really loathe the term wonderkid.

Is his name "Buddy" and does he shrug and sigh ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 20, 2013, 02:23:49 PM

Fischer: A Bobby dazzler of a player or just a Pawn in a bigger game ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2013, 02:28:22 PM

Quote from: LeeS on August 20, 2013, 01:58:34 PM

I kind of agree that there is a risk of buying too many overseas players. But i also think that risk is mitigated if they all speak good English. It sounds as though our current crop do.

I don't think Tony Moon knows much English yet, but otherwise I imagine they all speak good English. Probably better than a lot of our English players in fact.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on August 20, 2013, 05:23:39 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:18:21 PM

I really loathe the term wonderkid.

Me too. Much prefer Wunderkind

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 05:27:01 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 20, 2013, 02:21:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 02:18:21 PM

I really loathe the term wonderkid.

A label given him by the Dutch media i believe.

Speak much Dutch?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ron Manager on August 20, 2013, 05:28:54 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 20, 2013, 02:23:49 PM

Fischer: A Bobby dazzler of a player or just a Pawn in a bigger game ?

Is he a czech..mate?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2013, 06:39:46 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 20, 2013, 01:09:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 01:05:53 PM

I would take Shawcross like a shot but can't see it.

I think he's stagnated in the last couple of years. A move could do him good. I don't think he's as good as he potentially was expected to be. He is however an upgrade on Baker and probably Vlaar.

I think being at Stoke under Pulis probably did that to him.  He probably was one of the players that epitomised Stoke under Pulis, but it also has to be remembered that he did come through the ranks at Manchester United so had a good grounding.  Can't see it happening as he is ready made for a Mark Hughes team, but he would be a very good signing for us.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 09:13:24 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2013, 08:45:10 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 08:36:57 AM

Disappointed we didn't move on in on parker ! Would have beefed the midfield and added playing nous

He's 32 and has got a three year contract at Fulham.

Would you have wanted us to give him that length deal?

no a 1 year loan deal in exchange for bent though now i realse he was at spurs and insteading of pressing delete i just carried on.. who else does that but presses delete instead be honest we al  do !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2013, 10:00:11 PM

You are unique VK.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

The jury is very much out on Vlaar.

eamonn I think me and you and a small minority are the only people who can see this. Most people just keep saying Vlaar will get better. Guzan made two fantastic saves but the only real mistake was when Vlaar came out the defence and got lost, leaving the defence totally exposed. I  hope PL is quietly lining up a powerful young CB good in the air and ready for a challenge. Okore will be very good but we still need aerial dominance and positioning. Baker is getting there but injury prone. Clark had a good game Saturday but generally inconsistent .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 10:06:49 PM

I give Vlaar till Christmas. The only saving grace is we are better, much, with him than without.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 10:23:58 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

The jury is very much out on Vlaar.

eamonn I think me and you and a small minority are the only people who can see this. Most people just keep saying Vlaar will get better. Guzan made two fantastic saves but the only real mistake was when Vlaar came out the defence and got lost, leaving the defence totally exposed. I  hope PL is quietly lining up a powerful young CB good in the air and ready for a challenge. Okore will be very good but we still need aerial dominance and positioning. Baker is getting there but injury prone. Clark had a good game Saturday but generally inconsistent .......

I'm with you in particular pieces of play Vlaar made saturday. however i also think he takes on alot of responbility as both A . Captain and B a senior pro. Also the midfield were nt trusted so he came and stepped in high up the field.
I hope he continues as like his spirit and attitude

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:57:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 10:23:58 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

The jury is very much out on Vlaar.

eamonn I think me and you and a small minority are the only people who can see this. Most people just keep saying Vlaar will get better. Guzan made two fantastic saves but the only real mistake was when Vlaar came out the defence and got lost, leaving the defence totally exposed. I  hope PL is quietly lining up a powerful young CB good in the air and ready for a challenge. Okore will be very good but we still need aerial dominance and positioning. Baker is getting there but injury prone. Clark had a good game Saturday but generally inconsistent .......

I'm with you in particular pieces of play Vlaar made saturday. however i also think he takes on alot of responbility as both A . Captain and B a senior pro. Also the midfield were nt trusted so he came and stepped in high up the field.
I hope he continues as like his spirit and attitude

VK I agree he has a presence as a senior player and he does have a good spirit. But a CB needs to be dominant in the air and be positionally aware of his defenders and any potential threat. He has to make these decisions instinctively. Vlaar has been caught many times ball watching. failing to win crucial challenges in the air and being out of position at vital moments. He is 27 and is not going to get better imao. If PL brings in one of his well scouted choices at CB I think we would be better off rather than leaving it until Vlaar loses all credibility. This is not being harsh on him just a reality. Remember when we were on the verge of relegation. Vlaar said he might have to consider his future with Villa as it is world cup year, that's football ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 20, 2013, 11:20:36 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:57:26 PM

VK I agree he has a presence as a senior player and he does have a good spirit. But a CB needs to be dominant in the air and be positionally aware of his defenders and any potential threat. He has to make these decisions instinctively. Vlaar has been caught many times ball watching. failing to win crucial challenges in the air and being out of position at vital moments. He is 27 and is not going to get better imao. If PL brings in one of his well scouted choices at CB I think we would be better off rather than leaving it until Vlaar loses all credibility. This is not being harsh on him just a reality. Remember when we were on the verge of relegation. Vlaar said he might have to consider his future with Villa as it is world cup year, that's football ...

I tend to agree that Vlaar is the weak link in our defence, not because he is the worst player but because he is the senior pro and the guy responsible for dragging the others up through his example, leadership and organisation.

That said, I do not agree that he cannot improve - regardless of being 27 - he is an individual playing in a team sport, in a foreign country and a different style of football.  There are a whole world of variables that could change for the better there (i.e. simply knowing his team mates better) and I think he deserves another half of a season (at least) to prove he's good enough.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2013, 07:18:09 AM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:57:26 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 10:23:58 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 20, 2013, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

The jury is very much out on Vlaar.

eamonn I think me and you and a small minority are the only people who can see this. Most people just keep saying Vlaar will get better. Guzan made two fantastic saves but the only real mistake was when Vlaar came out the defence and got lost, leaving the defence totally exposed. I  hope PL is quietly lining up a powerful young CB good in the air and ready for a challenge. Okore will be very good but we still need aerial dominance and positioning. Baker is getting there but injury prone. Clark had a good game Saturday but generally inconsistent .......

I'm with you in particular pieces of play Vlaar made saturday. however i also think he takes on alot of responbility as both A . Captain and B a senior pro. Also the midfield were nt trusted so he came and stepped in high up the field.
I hope he continues as like his spirit and attitude

VK I agree he has a presence as a senior player and he does have a good spirit. But a CB needs to be dominant in the air and be positionally aware of his defenders and any potential threat. He has to make these decisions instinctively. Vlaar has been caught many times ball watching. failing to win crucial challenges in the air and being out of position at vital moments. He is 27 and is not going to get better imao. If PL brings in one of his well scouted choices at CB I think we would be better off rather than leaving it until Vlaar loses all credibility. This is not being harsh on him just a reality. Remember when we were on the verge of relegation. Vlaar said he might have to consider his future with Villa as it is world cup year, that's football ...

I think we all see the errors in his game from week to week, but the big issue when you have such an inexperienced side, is that the 1 player who is a genuine leader is almost impossible to leave out as his influence on the others makes up for his own shortcomings. Look at the way he rallied Baker after the own goal against Reading last season, or pushed us back on against Sunderland after Rose scored etc. Without him coming back from injury when he did last season I think we could well have been going to Wigan needing to win to survive, his impact was so vital. The flip side of that is that he was awful against Bradford costing us poor goals, and has continuously flattered to deceived as a defender.

I see Spurs are now close to signing a Romanian centre back too. They have really spent well to replace the outgoing Bale. Think they will be right in the title race, which is a horrible thought. They have used the money to change from being a 1 man team to just looking very strong in almost all positions, which is what 90 million for 1 player lets you do. I love the way Lambert has rebuilt us, but it would be nice to think he has the license to go and get another couple of players in the Benteke range of price and quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 09:02:35 AM

I don't think Vlaar's that bad. I just don't think he's that great either. I do however, think he's still improving and think by Christmas we'll see a better player.

I think we were all expecting a Laursen / Mellberg quality player when he signed, instead we got a Collins / Dunne standard one, only a few years younger and with a better attitude.

I give him a lot of leeway as he came into a back 4 that had little or no Premiership experience last season and was given a lot of responsibility, which can't have been easy. After a full pre-season and with a more settled defence, I fully expect him to concentrate more on his own game now and hopefully we'll then see the improvement.

Worth remembering that he didn't play at Stamford Bridge last season, so let's see how he does tonight...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuco Salamanca on August 21, 2013, 09:58:15 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 20, 2013, 10:06:49 PM

I give Vlaar till Christmas. The only saving grace is we are better, much, with him than without.

That's quite a saving grace.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 21, 2013, 10:21:03 AM

Vlaar was still the pick of our CBs last season, which granted does't say a lot.  There are parts of his game he needs to improve, like judging the flight of a ball in the air - how often does he get caught underneath crosses?

Despite Saturday's win, I still think Lambert's Villa is a work in progress.  Our approach is to buy in bulk at low prices and see how many prove good enough.  That inevitably means some will fall by the wayside as we progress.  If one of them turns out to be Vlaar, then fair enough, but it's far too soon to judge.  If we are still having the same issues with him, and the defense as a whole, next summer then's the time to cut our losses.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 10:30:21 AM

Talking of the defence, interesting to see Baker injured again - am I imagining it or is he a bit injury prone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 10:37:37 AM

"Made of Paper Mache" would be more accurate.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2013, 10:38:59 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 10:30:21 AM

Talking of the defence, interesting to see Baker injured again - am I imagining it or is he a bit injury prone?

Yes he is. He's hobbled out of quite a few games now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Was hoping with Bent gone we might bring another player in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 21, 2013, 10:42:37 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 20, 2013, 01:32:31 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 20, 2013, 01:21:26 PM

The thing with Shawcross, and many others that have been mentioned, is that Lambert will look at him, the fee and the wages and think "I can get just as good from abroad at half the price."

And he'd be right.

I hope we don't get too obsessed with buying solely from abroad. Impossible to prove but I do feel that the 'foundations' of any squad are weaker if there is not a strong identity.

I agree - you need to look everywhere for your players and that includes the Premier League.

As it stands, 5 of our starting line up on Saturday were British, plus Guzan and Weimann, who have been here long enough to have that 'identity'.  SO It's not really an issue for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 21, 2013, 10:43:08 AM

Quote from: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Was hoping with Bent gone we might bring another player in.

Faulkner seemed to dismiss his rumour last week in his online chat.
Nothing happening there .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2013, 10:43:20 AM

Vlaar definitely has a positive influence on the side, we're a far more confident and structured side with him in it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 10:45:36 AM

Quote from: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Currently locked in a cellar in the Lake District.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 21, 2013, 10:45:40 AM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2013, 10:43:20 AM

Vlaar definitely has a positive influence on the side, we're a far more confident and structured side with him in it.

I agree we are better with him in the side but for a Dutch international i hoped he would prove better than he has done so far , lets hope last season was his bedding in period and he proves his best form this season .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 10:49:07 AM

Quote from: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Was hoping with Bent gone we might bring another player in.

Just read an article saying we are looking at Ajax's Viktor Fischer.  Whether that's true or not I don't know but he's highly rated and scores goals from midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 10:54:36 AM

The worrying / annoying thing with Baker's injuries is that he's never out for too long, which makes me think he's just got a very low pain threshold. A bit like Heskey.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2013, 10:56:56 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 10:45:36 AM

Quote from: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Currently locked in a cellar in the Lake District.

Being quoted the bible thoughout the day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Loxton01 on August 21, 2013, 10:58:06 AM

It will be interesting to see if we are going to get anyone else in.

I think Lambo clearly identified targets pre-season and got them in nice and early which was encouraging.

However none of them to me stand out as stand out stars someone to improve the first team. To me they are players with potential who could and I stress the word could improve and get into the first team. It will be difficult for some of them to break into the first team but injuries suspensions will come and they need to take their chance.

In terms of players we could bring in..........I think Scott Sinclair could be a good shout to add competition for Gabby and Weimann.

I also think at home against the teams around us we are really going to need to play one ahead of Delph, El Ahamdi, Sylla etc. That could be Tonev but we really dont know. I would love us to go and spend big and get a Milner etc but Im afraid I just cant see it happening.

I think Milner will get itchy feet soon and he would be abs brilliant back in the centre mid

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 11:24:43 AM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 10:49:07 AM

Quote from: Smirker on August 21, 2013, 10:41:58 AM

Any news on Kiyotake?

Was hoping with Bent gone we might bring another player in.

Just read an article saying we are looking at Ajax's Viktor Fischer.  Whether that's true or not I don't know but he's highly rated and scores goals from midfield.

Cheers, Wiki says he's a left winger. Good goal record.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 21, 2013, 11:49:12 AM

Ajax will be looking for big money for Fischer when they decide to sell him. I'd love it to be true but I just can't see it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 21, 2013, 11:54:19 AM

Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 21, 2013, 11:49:12 AM

Ajax will be looking for big money for Fischer when they decide to sell him. I'd love it to be true but I just can't see it.

Same here, i think if they did sell a lot of Europes top clubs would be interested , Man U and Chelsea were sniffing around last season reportedly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 21, 2013, 12:07:05 PM

ffs. Just heard some media expert twat on the radio . 'Cabaye needs to move to arsenal If he wants to win trophies' .


    eerrmm ??????   confused

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2013, 12:33:54 PM

I would like us to bring in another player before the transfer window closes if we have the money to do a deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on August 21, 2013, 12:41:00 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 10:54:36 AM

The worrying / annoying thing with Baker's injuries is that he's never out for too long, which makes me think he's just got a very low pain threshold. A bit like Heskey.

Arjen Robben was like that. If you drew a Venn Diagram, Robben, Heskey and Baker would intersect

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2013, 03:12:50 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 10:30:21 AM

Talking of the defence, interesting to see Baker injured again - am I imagining it or is he a bit injury prone?

As I said a few posts back on it, Vlaar and Baker are both made of glass. Baker never seems to go more than 3-4 games without taking a knock, his best run was the end of last season when he made 10 plus in a row.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2013, 03:41:05 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 10:54:36 AM

The worrying / annoying thing with Baker's injuries is that he's never out for too long, which makes me think he's just got a very low pain threshold.

Considering that he's prepared to put his head in where some players wouldn't put a foot, I can only imagine he's a masochist.
Either that or you're wrong, Russell.

Last week on here it was how shit Clark is and how much better Baker is. This week it's Clark looked good and Baker is a wimp.
We go again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2013, 04:32:08 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said.

It's his way of keeping fresh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2013, 06:09:48 PM

I'd say it's more he sticks himself in the way even if it means getting injured.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 21, 2013, 06:13:00 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 21, 2013, 03:41:05 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 21, 2013, 10:54:36 AM

The worrying / annoying thing with Baker's injuries is that he's never out for too long, which makes me think he's just got a very low pain threshold.

Considering that he's prepared to put his head in where some players wouldn't put a foot, I can only imagine he's a masochist.
Either that or you're wrong, Russell.

Last week on here it was how shit Clark is and how much better Baker is. This week it's Clark looked good and Baker is a wimp.
We go again.

Good point RL. He will put anything in front of the ball to stop a shot. Would still love a back up as well as Okore .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 21, 2013, 06:19:27 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 09:13:24 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2013, 08:45:10 AM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 20, 2013, 08:36:57 AM

Disappointed we didn't move on in on parker ! Would have beefed the midfield and added playing nous

He's 32 and has got a three year contract at Fulham.

Would you have wanted us to give him that length deal?

no a 1 year loan deal in exchange for bent though now i realse he was at spurs and insteading of pressing delete i just carried on.. who else does that but presses delete instead be honest we al  do !!

My Mum jjjdoes that. And then will carry on typing. After a bit she'll say oh how did that jjj get there, I should delete it.

Sorry about that, there was somebody at the door so I had to stop typing for a little bit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 21, 2013, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said. 

Des, he missed 6 games last season with two injuries. 4 with ankle, 2 with hamstring. Hardly qualifies as 'injury prone'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 07:24:30 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 21, 2013, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said. 

Des, he missed 6 games last season with two injuries. 4 with ankle, 2 with hamstring. Hardly qualifies as 'injury prone'.

Physioroom.com shows more than that, it shows four spells out injured.

20 October 2012 went off against Fulham, missed Norwich (h), Swindon (a), Man U (a), Sunderland (a)
26 December 2012 went off against Spurs
19 Jan 2013 went off after 5 mins at Albion, missed Bradford (h), Milwall (a)
March 16th went off against QPR after 20 mins

So, out for 6 matches like you said, but went off in 4 more - that's approaching a quarter of the games we played.

I am not saying he's some kind of massive girl who can't handle it, far from it, he's the opposite, but he does seem to get injured a fair bit (maybe because of the type of player he is).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2013, 07:29:03 PM

He played 30 games in all comps last season, no idea how many times he was an unused sub.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 21, 2013, 07:43:18 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 07:24:30 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 21, 2013, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said. 

Des, he missed 6 games last season with two injuries. 4 with ankle, 2 with hamstring. Hardly qualifies as 'injury prone'.

Physioroom.com shows more than that, it shows four spells out injured.

20 October 2012 went off against Fulham, missed Norwich (h), Swindon (a), Man U (a), Sunderland (a)
26 December 2012 went off against Spurs
19 Jan 2013 went off after 5 mins at Albion, missed Bradford (h), Milwall (a)
March 16th went off against QPR after 20 mins

So, out for 6 matches like you said, but went off in 4 more - that's approaching a quarter of the games we played.

I am not saying he's some kind of massive girl who can't handle it, far from it, he's the opposite, but he does seem to get injured a fair bit (maybe because of the type of player he is).

Did he not have a bad injury while he was coming up from the ranks? I might just be thinking of Gary Gardner but could have sworn Bakers had a fairly serious injury at some point.
Whether that has any relevance is another matter though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2013, 10:29:00 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2013, 07:24:30 PM

I am not saying he's some kind of massive girl who can't handle it, far from it, he's the opposite, but he does seem to get injured a fair bit (maybe because of the type of player he is).

He does seem to the sort of player that is going to stick his head in the way of the ball even if it's at the same height as everyone else's foot, so he's bound to get a few concussions here or there.

Then again, John Terry seems to do similar and he never seems to be injured. Probably the eight inches of bone that replaces his brain.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2013, 10:31:44 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 21, 2013, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 21, 2013, 04:12:01 PM

Baker is very injury prone, it has to be said. 

Des, he missed 6 games last season with two injuries. 4 with ankle, 2 with hamstring. Hardly qualifies as 'injury prone'.

He must have gone off injured about 4 or 5 times though... I like him, he's brave and strong, whether he is good enough for a top half team I'm not sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2013, 11:38:38 PM

After the second half tonight and watching Okore start 5 yards behind their man, run him down and hold the play up when they were on the counter, I think Baker and Clark are going to struggle in the next couple of seasons to get a regular game unless they push out Vlaar, who also looked much better alongside Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2013, 11:52:19 PM

On a positive note, if we are in for any players that are slightly more high profile then our first couple of displays will not have put them off that is for sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:12:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

That is a truly scary amount of money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on August 22, 2013, 12:14:12 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:12:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

That is a truly scary amount of money.

How much is Teckers worth?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:15:40 AM

£50 at a minimum on that sort of price.

Was glad to see Mourinho rule him out after the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on August 22, 2013, 12:18:03 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

Where did you get this?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2013, 12:32:08 AM

Fucking stupid to think he's worth that much. Game has gone utterly mental.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on August 22, 2013, 12:35:58 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2013, 12:32:08 AM

Fucking stupid to think he's worth that much. Game has gone utterly mental.

Can't imagine what Real is thinking during this economy, utterly bonkers. I also expect him to as succesful in spain as Michael Owen was. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:36:51 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2013, 12:32:08 AM

Fucking stupid to think he's worth that much. Game has gone utterly mental.

750k on Westwood.

93 million plus a 20 million player on Gareth Bale.

Just... what?? Why? Where is it all going!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2013, 12:54:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:12:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

That is a truly scary amount of money.

Obscene. I wonder how long before we get the first £100m player?

*Waits for someone to say "Benteke 2014"*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: seanthevillan on August 22, 2013, 12:57:56 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2013, 12:54:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:12:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

That is a truly scary amount of money.

Obscene. I wonder how long before we get the first £100m player?

*Waits for someone to say "Benteke 2014"*

Thing is that is only relevant for British people who look at transfers in £££s - won't Bale be the first €100m player? Ronaldo also broke the $100m mark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Billy Walker on August 22, 2013, 12:59:41 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2013, 12:54:33 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 12:12:05 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

That is a truly scary amount of money.

Obscene. I wonder how long before we get the first £100m player?

*Waits for someone to say "Benteke 2014"*

I'll tell you what, if anyone does want him next year, that's the figure we have to start quoting. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2013, 01:00:09 AM

Well as i'm British it's relevant to me. Who cares about bluddy foreigners and their monopoly money! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: seanthevillan on August 22, 2013, 01:04:31 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2013, 01:00:09 AM

Well as i'm British it's relevant to me. Who cares about bluddy foreigners and their monopoly money! 

Fair enough, I'm just saying that the 100 landmark has already gone (for most football fans).

On a slightly related point, I only realised after the time that all fans in Europe saw Zidane as the world's most expensive player after Kaka's move. The exchange rate had changed in between or something, and in the original currency Zidane cost more.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2013, 01:43:42 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on August 22, 2013, 12:35:58 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2013, 12:32:08 AM

Fucking stupid to think he's worth that much. Game has gone utterly mental.

Can't imagine what Real is thinking during this economy, utterly bonkers. I also expect him to as succesful in spain as Michael Owen was. ;)

I hope not. Owen was great for them, The only problem was his name wasn't Raul. It was a no-win situation that pissed off a lot of Madrid fans who saw a player deliver every time he was asked to play. Stupid club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2013, 02:00:45 AM

Quote from: TonyD on August 22, 2013, 12:18:03 AM

Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2013, 11:55:31 PM

The Spanish football coverage has just said that the Bale deal is done - 93m Euro's + Coentrao.

Where did you get this?

I watched the end of the Barcelona-Athletico Madrid game and I think it was the presenter that said that the word in Spain was that the deal was done and it was the 93m Euro's+Coentrao. Hardly official but it could prove correct.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 22, 2013, 07:18:35 AM

Hardly an exclusive either, it was in yesterday's 'finger-on-the-pulse' Metro.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on August 22, 2013, 07:39:33 AM

We already have the 1st £100 million pound footballer - Lionel Messi (in fact you could probably double it to £200 million)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 22, 2013, 08:01:39 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on August 22, 2013, 12:35:58 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2013, 12:32:08 AM

Fucking stupid to think he's worth that much. Game has gone utterly mental.

Can't imagine what Real is thinking during this economy, utterly bonkers. I also expect him to as succesful in spain as Michael Owen was. ;)

Not a problem when they're bankrolled / financed by two or three effectively nationalised banks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on August 22, 2013, 10:57:11 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on August 22, 2013, 07:39:33 AM

We already have the 1st £100 million pound footballer - Lionel Messi (in fact you could probably double it to £200 million)

Until he gets sold for that amount, no we don't; right now (regardless of what you think he's worth) he's a product of their youth system. BTW, I thought this was the VILLA transfers thread, any news on that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2013, 11:32:14 AM

Right, quiet day at work so I’ve come up with a list of players who I think will move before the deadline and who would also be useful signings for us, assuming we’re still looking for a ‘Number 10’ (given our ‘interest’ in Kiyotake);

Scott Sinclair – looks to be on his way to either WBA or Southampton. Would surely see us a better-bet. Reminds me a lot of Ashley Young, although his celebrity lifestyle might put Lambert off.
Tom Ince – Heard him interviewed on TalkSport the other day and actually seems very level-headed. Going to be a very good player for someone and I’m sure he would see Villa as better for his development that somewhere like Cardiff.
Georginio Wijnaldum – We’ve been (very) tentatively linked to him so I watched him for PSV against AC Milan this week. Looks really, really quick, but quite raw still. Given that PSV are still in with a shout of qualifying for the CL I don’t they’d look to sell before the 2nd leg, but if they go out they may look to cash-in.
Ryad Boudebouz – I know next to nothing about him, but the Daily Mail claims our scouts have watched him play for Sochaux. Plus, Wikipedia confirms that he is literally (in the literal-sense of the word) a Number 10.
Shaun Maloney – I know he still divides opinion but I think he’d be a more-than-useful addition to the squad and probably a cheap one too. We’d know exactly what we’d get from him too, would be completely risk-free.
Nick Powell – Played with Ashley Westwood at Crewe and has always impressed me when I’ve seen him. Stagnating in United’s reserves and would be a great fit for us, IMO. Maybe more of a holding midfielder than a Number 10, but would be a good signing regardless.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 22, 2013, 12:35:42 PM

Ince would be a good addition. I don't think we would pay Sinclair's wages. And if City were prepared to pay a big chunk of them he probably would have gone to Albion by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 03:42:10 PM

I think Wijnaldum could step into the role either Gabby or Andi play very comfortably so would be an excellent addition.

Watching us, I think we are going to struggle to accommodate another midfielder behind Benteke that is not part of the 3 that do the work, so would leave it alone or sign a top quality player that could slot in with Westwood, Delph, El Ahmadi and Sylla, but we already have Bacuna  and Gardner that can do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 22, 2013, 03:53:25 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 22, 2013, 11:32:14 AM

Right, quiet day at work so I’ve come up with a list of players who I think will move before the deadline and who would also be useful signings for us, assuming we’re still looking for a ‘Number 10’ (given our ‘interest’ in Kiyotake);

Scott Sinclair – looks to be on his way to either WBA or Southampton. Would surely see us a better-bet. Reminds me a lot of Ashley Young, although his celebrity lifestyle might put Lambert off.
Tom Ince – Heard him interviewed on TalkSport the other day and actually seems very level-headed. Going to be a very good player for someone and I’m sure he would see Villa as better for his development that somewhere like Cardiff.
Georginio Wijnaldum – We’ve been (very) tentatively linked to him so I watched him for PSV against AC Milan this week. Looks really, really quick, but quite raw still. Given that PSV are still in with a shout of qualifying for the CL I don’t they’d look to sell before the 2nd leg, but if they go out they may look to cash-in.
Ryad Boudebouz – I know next to nothing about him, but the Daily Mail claims our scouts have watched him play for Sochaux. Plus, Wikipedia confirms that he is literally (in the literal-sense of the word) a Number 10.
Shaun Maloney – I know he still divides opinion but I think he’d be a more-than-useful addition to the squad and probably a cheap one too. We’d know exactly what we’d get from him too, would be completely risk-free.
Nick Powell – Played with Ashley Westwood at Crewe and has always impressed me when I’ve seen him. Stagnating in United’s reserves and would be a great fit for us, IMO. Maybe more of a holding midfielder than a Number 10, but would be a good signing regardless.

Some really good options on that list - very well thought out indeed and any of those would add a bit extra to our squad  , not too costly either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 22, 2013, 04:08:38 PM

Thanks eastie. I await my call to join the scouting team...!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: alan_clarke on August 22, 2013, 06:05:03 PM

If someone else had £100m to spend on Bale the viability of that much is quite different to any other club and Madrid. They will shift so many shirts and other merchandise with his name on it they'll already be well on their way to recouping it back. Not many other clubs would be able to do that even if they had the cash to spend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on August 22, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Will Real recoup their money by selling Ronaldo to Man U? Wouldn't surprise me to see Man U letting Rooney go and trying to get him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2013, 06:30:22 PM

Madrid's whole philosophy is predicated on being viewed as the biggest football in world football. They will spend stupid money just to continue that and when Neymar chose Barcelona over them and with the style of football Barca have been playing over the last few years, they're scared of losing that image and need the Bale deal just to try and keep up their image.

Real are negotiating a new deal with Ronaldo and with the kind of salary a £90m player is going to command, Ronaldo will use that to get the best deal. He'll probably sign a new contract and be on something like £400k/wk.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2013, 06:33:37 PM

Quote from: fredm on August 22, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Will Real recoup their money by selling Ronaldo to Man U? Wouldn't surprise me to see Man U letting Rooney go and trying to get him.

Well they've kept his #7 shirt available so I can see both of those moves happening late in the window.

I will definitely be avoiding Sky Sports on that day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 22, 2013, 07:35:57 PM

I think Bales on a bit of hiding to nothing. He'll never be able to live up to that tag. That tag puts an expectation on him to be up there with Ronaldo and Messi. As bloody good a player as Bale is, he's a country mile from those two. He's stepping up to a better league, a better team, sharing the spotlight with a group of galactico's. He's got to try and steal limelight off Ronaldo, either playing in the same time, or filling the void if Ron is moved on (which would be insanity to be honest).

I think if Bale stayed at Spurs, they'd have the potential to win the league. He could win a title with them, looking at the other elements they've added to their squad and a good young manager. That said they may now need to sell.

If he goes to Madrid he'll be in the CL but he'll likely finish 2nd to Barca, probably won't win the CL. Plus there's little patience there. If he doesn't hit the ground running, he could find himself coming back to England in a year or two in a cut price deal to one of the Manc's, or Chelsea. Hell maybe back to Spurs if they've moved up a level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 22, 2013, 08:06:57 PM

Or to the newbies of the champions league. Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2013, 08:12:59 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 22, 2013, 08:06:57 PM

Or to the newbies of the champions league. Aston Villa.

Bale plus £50m, summer after next.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2013, 09:33:41 PM

Financial Fair Play my arse. Spain's economy's in the toilet, Real must owe their biggest banks billions...like that loan will ever be called in this side of hell freezing over. Utterly ridiculous amount of money to pay for Bale. He's kept Spurs near to the top four on his own the last two seasons, but he'll never be as effective again either in Spain or when he comes back to Britain in approximately eighteen months.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2013, 10:14:12 PM

Quote from: fredm on August 22, 2013, 06:13:47 PM

Will Real recoup their money by selling Ronaldo to Man U? Wouldn't surprise me to see Man U letting Rooney go and trying to get him.

No chance this summer. Madrid are actually very light on strikers in their squad, it's basically Benzema (strongly linked with Arsenal) and a couple of YTS lads in reserve.

I assume with Bale signing the plan will be to move Ronaldo centrally which he's played plenty of times in the past.

That said he could well leave next summer as he doesn't seem to want to sign a new deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 10:16:35 PM

Back to Villa, more tentative links to Fischer today.

He does look very much like he would fit into the system well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 22, 2013, 10:40:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 10:16:35 PM

Back to Villa, more tentative links to Fischer today.

He does look very much like he would fit into the system well.

Is he Czech, mate?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Daholteend on August 23, 2013, 07:02:27 AM

No, he's a Great Dane...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 23, 2013, 07:21:49 AM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 22, 2013, 10:40:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 10:16:35 PM

Back to Villa, more tentative links to Fischer today.

He does look very much like he would fit into the system well.

No, but he's excellent en passant the ball

Is he Czech, mate?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 07:46:32 AM

How much room do we think Lambert has got finances wise to add someone that would cost a bit?

We have spent around 10-12 million this summer, recouping around 5 for Bent and Makoun.

Dunne, Petrov, Bent and Makoun are off the wage bill. Probably around 2-250k a week.

The 6 that have arrived I would be shocked if are over 150k a week between them, if that at the moment.

If so, where are we wages wise compared to say the last days of MON? What was our wages/ turnover figure in the last accounts?

And how much has it cost us wages wise to extent contracts of the existing player - which appear worth every penny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 23, 2013, 07:59:58 AM

I would think he possibly has around £10m available if he decides to spend , the departure of bent helps wages wise but it would be nice to get given, Hutton and Ireland off the wage list too - if the right player became available i would hope we would be able to do business but lambert has been very shrewd in the market and bought good players at relatively low prices , and clearly has an eye for a bargain..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on August 23, 2013, 08:01:18 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 22, 2013, 10:16:35 PM

Back to Villa, more tentative links to Fischer today.

He does look very much like he would fit into the system well.

It seems like everybody is interested in him. He has been linked to half of the Premiership. I suspect the Villa link is because he is very young.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 07:46:32 AM

How much room do we think Lambert has got finances wise to add someone that would cost a bit?

We have spent around 10-12 million this summer, recouping around 5 for Bent and Makoun.

Dunne, Petrov, Bent and Makoun are off the wage bill. Probably around 2-250k a week.

The 6 that have arrived I would be shocked if are over 150k a week between them, if that at the moment.

If so, where are we wages wise compared to say the last days of MON? What was our wages/ turnover figure in the last accounts?

And how much has it cost us wages wise to extent contracts of the existing player - which appear worth every penny.

We need to un-ban Risso.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 23, 2013, 10:42:26 AM

I reckon Villa have more money to spend but only give impression they will only have 10 millions pounds to buy one player and not in a hurry to spend it and is waiting to clear out more remaining bomb squad players. Think Deadline day we will do 2 or 3 deals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ktvillan on August 23, 2013, 11:44:51 AM

With the new TV deal I'm a bit bemused as to why people think money is so tight that we'd have to get Ireland, Hutton  and Given off the wage bill in order to afford another couple of signings.  Surely with the combination of extra TV cash and bringing the wage bill down we would be in line with FFP rules, and be able to afford a 10m signing plus a couple of million a year in wages?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on August 23, 2013, 12:15:03 PM

I heard on sky sports that due to the financila fair play that both West Ham and Southampton could only spend £52 million in wages, maybe we are in the same boat as them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 12:20:08 PM

I'm almost certain there is money available but I wouldn't be surprised that Lambert wants to keep the cash so he has room to expand next window/season.

There's a lot of players in the squad who are new to lambert so sensibly he'll want to see how they bed in and what positions they can play before increasing the numbers further.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2013, 01:05:10 PM

I think if Lambert went to the board with a specific player in mind he'd bet all of the support he needed to get him. Benteke was purchased at a time we were in far worse financial condition than we are today. Lambert has said repeatedly that the club have backed him all the way, and his stock now is as high if not higher than at any point. I just don't think Lambert will feel he needs to spend to justify anything but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two more came in. He won't want to go 4 months without strengthening and adding depth to the squad if it really needs it, which I think most people would agree it still does.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on August 23, 2013, 01:19:03 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2013, 01:05:10 PM

I think if Lambert went to the board with a specific player in mind he'd bet all of the support he needed to get him. Benteke was purchased at a time we were in far worse financial condition than we are today. Lambert has said repeatedly that the club have backed him all the way, and his stock now is as high if not higher than at any point. I just don't think Lambert will feel he needs to spend to justify anything but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two more came in. He won't want to go 4 months without strengthening and adding depth to the squad if it really needs it, which I think most people would agree it still does.

I don't agree further depth is needed, we have a senior outfield squad of 21 players, that should be plenty, complemented by the young players coming through.  I would however question the quality of some of those 21, Herd, Bowery and Albrighton in particular and possibly Gardner too.  If those 3/4 squad places were upgraded we would be very strong, but in terms of adding numbers there is no need as far as I'm concerned. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2013, 01:23:06 PM

We shouldn't ever rest on our laurels and hope that the 1st XI as most people see it should remain that way. If there is a player out there that means Ron Vlaar, or Westwood or Gabby as examples should work harder to fight for their place then we should absolutely go after that player. Within the parameters we have set as a club financially off course. It is very rare indeed to see a side start and end the season the same way. When I refer to depth it isn't just about players below the first team it is more about getting players that are better than the first team to make those players work that much harder to keep their spots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 23, 2013, 01:27:52 PM

Personally, I'm not convinced by KEA.  The only change I would make would be to get a real quality number 10 in there alongside Delph and Westwood to direct the traffic and make things happen; for me, KEA just doesn't do this.  Perhaps now Bent's gone and if we can shift the other bomb squad members we could afford to bring someone of that ilk in.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:28:50 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 07:46:32 AM

How much room do we think Lambert has got finances wise to add someone that would cost a bit?

We have spent around 10-12 million this summer, recouping around 5 for Bent and Makoun.

Dunne, Petrov, Bent and Makoun are off the wage bill. Probably around 2-250k a week.

The 6 that have arrived I would be shocked if are over 150k a week between them, if that at the moment.

If so, where are we wages wise compared to say the last days of MON? What was our wages/ turnover figure in the last accounts?

And how much has it cost us wages wise to extent contracts of the existing player - which appear worth every penny.

We need to un-ban Risso.

Yes he may be a raving right-wing Tory apologist but he is still one of us. What was the ban for?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:34:22 PM

Quote from: ktvillan on August 23, 2013, 11:44:51 AM

With the new TV deal I'm a bit bemused as to why people think money is so tight that we'd have to get Ireland, Hutton  and Given off the wage bill in order to afford another couple of signings.  Surely with the combination of extra TV cash and bringing the wage bill down we would be in line with FFP rules, and be able to afford a 10m signing plus a couple of million a year in wages?

I get the feeling Lerner wants some of his outlay back. What is our cumulative debt for the last 3 years? £100m maybe.

Even with big increase in TV revenue it will take a while to put a dent in that. Less time if we can stop seeping money to the bomb squad. I doubt they are going anywhere mind, unless on loan with a tokenish amount of their wages paid for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2013, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:28:50 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 07:46:32 AM

How much room do we think Lambert has got finances wise to add someone that would cost a bit?

We have spent around 10-12 million this summer, recouping around 5 for Bent and Makoun.

Dunne, Petrov, Bent and Makoun are off the wage bill. Probably around 2-250k a week.

The 6 that have arrived I would be shocked if are over 150k a week between them, if that at the moment.

If so, where are we wages wise compared to say the last days of MON? What was our wages/ turnover figure in the last accounts?

And how much has it cost us wages wise to extent contracts of the existing player - which appear worth every penny.

We need to un-ban Risso.

Yes he may be a raving right-wing Tory apologist but he is still one of us. What was the ban for?

There was some unpleasentness involving a sheep. I don't want to talk about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 01:38:31 PM

Apparently Mourinho just confirmed in a presser that Willian was undergoing a medical at Chelsea... Anything that inconveniences Spurzzzz is fine by me but yet another attacking midfielder at the club means that a player like Victor Moses will be pushed right down the pecking order. Might be a good player for us, maybe on a season's loan to begin with? Would allow us to really go with that double pivot in the centre of midfield and play a much more confident 4-2-3-1 against the lesser teams... He'd supply Benteke well and would allow us to rotate the front three throughout the year. Thoughts?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:40:44 PM

Quote from: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 01:38:31 PM

Apparently Mourinho just confirmed in a presser that Willian was undergoing a medical at Chelsea... Anything that inconveniences Spurzzzz is fine by me but yet another attacking midfielder at the club means that a player like Victor Moses will be pushed right down the pecking order. Might be a good player for us, maybe on a season's loan to begin with? Would allow us to really go with that double pivot in the centre of midfield and play a much more confident 4-2-3-1 against the lesser teams... He'd supply Benteke well and would allow us to rotate the front three throughout the year. Thoughts?

Not a bad shout.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2013, 01:47:27 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:40:44 PM

Quote from: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 01:38:31 PM

Apparently Mourinho just confirmed in a presser that Willian was undergoing a medical at Chelsea... Anything that inconveniences Spurzzzz is fine by me but yet another attacking midfielder at the club means that a player like Victor Moses will be pushed right down the pecking order. Might be a good player for us, maybe on a season's loan to begin with? Would allow us to really go with that double pivot in the centre of midfield and play a much more confident 4-2-3-1 against the lesser teams... He'd supply Benteke well and would allow us to rotate the front three throughout the year. Thoughts?

Not a bad shout.

I'd be happy with that. I'd prefer Moses to Scott Sinclair. I think being at Chelski for Moses is a big, big club a bit too soon. At his age he's got to be playing week in, week out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 02:08:08 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:28:50 PM

Yes he may be a raving right-wing Tory apologist but he is still one of us. What was the ban for?

He did a very, very bad thing.

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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 02:09:28 PM

I think he is a brilliant player on his day and could play across the front in any of the roles. There was a lot of talk West Brom are in for him, which would be given more light with the Anelka thing. Would be great for us though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 02:24:56 PM

Another vote for the 'bring back Risso (and hanging, probably)' campaign. And Greg Nash, while we're at it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2013, 02:27:37 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 02:09:28 PM

I think he is a brilliant player on his day and could play across the front in any of the roles. There was a lot of talk West Brom are in for him, which would be given more light with the Anelka thing. Would be great for us though.

I like Moses a lot as well and certainly has a lot of energy about his game. He's only 22 I think also so fits right in. Not sure what kind of money he'd be on though at Chelsea but can't imgaine it being astronomical.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 02:29:39 PM

Supposedly, well according to the interweb, Moses is on £50K a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 02:31:12 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 02:29:39 PM

Supposedly, well according to the interweb, Moses is on £50K a week.

Well we can offer to pay half. And zero if he is injured for the season. I.e. not the Jermaine fuppin Jenas deal!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 02:33:02 PM

He'd probably be willing to take a bit of a wage cut though, for first team football every week. Like TV said his age/style etc fits right in with PL's ethos.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 23, 2013, 02:36:01 PM

 Play him instead of who?

 Would cost about £10m, other priorities for me.With a good attacking midfielder, a Fischer, or a Lestienne, we could be the "surprise" team this year.

 Maybe a loan to put Gabby, Andi under pressure, but not an outright purchase.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 02:45:42 PM

I don't think Risso will be welcomed back so best to move on people.

it's one thing to misbehave and ignore polite requests from mods.

but to directly & personally insult and attack one of the people running this site, I don't think there's a way back from that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2013, 02:48:19 PM

Quote from: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 02:45:42 PM

I don't think Risso will be welcomed back so best to move on people.

it's one thing to misbehave and ignore polite requests from mods.

but to directly & personally insult and attack one of the people running this site, I don't think there's a way back from that.

Seconded.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 02:57:33 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2013, 02:48:19 PM

Quote from: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 02:45:42 PM

I don't think Risso will be welcomed back so best to move on people.

it's one thing to misbehave and ignore polite requests from mods.

but to directly & personally insult and attack one of the people running this site, I don't think there's a way back from that.

Seconded.

Oh. What did he say?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 03:00:40 PM

It's quite a cunning ploy in a way Jimbo.


It all happened in GM so if you want to know, you gots to pay!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 03:02:55 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 23, 2013, 02:48:19 PM

Quote from: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 02:45:42 PM

I don't think Risso will be welcomed back so best to move on people.

it's one thing to misbehave and ignore polite requests from mods.

but to directly & personally insult and attack one of the people running this site, I don't think there's a way back from that.

Seconded.

Fair enough.

I honestly didn't know why he had been banned as wasn't party to the exchanges.

I have more often than not agreed with and on occasions passionately disagreed with others on here - including the head honcho(s).

Personally insulting people is not on. I did it once, having been goaded, and not since.

* Does not apply to Lawro if he ever joins

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 03:06:15 PM

Oh, I get it. The poster known as 'Risso' doesn't really exist, but was invented to drive donations to the site. Dan might be interested in this one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Smoke on August 23, 2013, 03:12:01 PM

Quote from: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 03:06:15 PM

Oh, I get it. The poster known as 'Risso' doesn't really exist, but was invented to drive donations to the site. Dan might be interested in this one.

(http://cdn.meme.li/i/oaurg.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 03:26:15 PM

Now, see, I always imagined him as being thinner than that. Bit scruffier. With dreadlocks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 23, 2013, 03:32:18 PM

Quote from: Jimbo on August 23, 2013, 03:06:15 PM

Oh, I get it. The poster known as 'Risso' doesn't really exist, but was invented to drive donations to the site. Dan might be interested in this one.

Risso is alive and well and holding court over on villatalk these days .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: damon loves JT on August 23, 2013, 04:36:27 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

At his secret base under a volcano in Japan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 23, 2013, 04:39:43 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on August 23, 2013, 04:36:27 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

At his secret base under a volcano in Japan

Looking for Kiyotake?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 23, 2013, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 23, 2013, 04:39:43 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on August 23, 2013, 04:36:27 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

At his secret base under a volcano in Japan

Looking for Kiyotake?

Is that the sequel to Ken Loach's "Looking for Eric"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2013, 05:03:07 PM

no, it's  You only live twice

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 05:05:18 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on August 23, 2013, 01:28:50 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 10:40:17 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 07:46:32 AM

How much room do we think Lambert has got finances wise to add someone that would cost a bit?

We have spent around 10-12 million this summer, recouping around 5 for Bent and Makoun.

Dunne, Petrov, Bent and Makoun are off the wage bill. Probably around 2-250k a week.

The 6 that have arrived I would be shocked if are over 150k a week between them, if that at the moment.

If so, where are we wages wise compared to say the last days of MON? What was our wages/ turnover figure in the last accounts?

And how much has it cost us wages wise to extent contracts of the existing player - which appear worth every penny.

We need to un-ban Risso.

Yes he may be a raving right-wing Tory apologist

Oh yeah, I forgot. Fuck him then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 05:17:46 PM

There's also talk of us making a bid for/enquiring about Ajax's highly rated winger Viktor Fischer. That would be a dream if we could sign him, would show we really mean business. Fairly unlikely but hopefully we can pull a similar move like we did with Benteke/Genk last season. Maybe Okore should put in a good word while they're away on national duty.

(mute the sound, haha.)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2013, 05:26:33 PM

He's a very good talent, but do we need another slightly-built wingforward type? I'd have thought a playmaker with more intelligence and ability to dictate tempo and make things happen in the central area of the final third, like he had at Norwich but obviously to a more Villa Standard. A rich man's Wes Hoolahan, in other words.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2013, 05:30:30 PM

That chip was beautiful!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2013, 05:34:09 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 05:26:33 PM

He's a very good talent, but do we need another slightly-built wingforward type? I'd have thought a playmaker with more intelligence and ability to dictate tempo and make things happen in the central area of the final third, like he had at Norwich but obviously to a more Villa Standard. A rich man's Wes Hoolahan, in other words.

This perhaps.

Or both if we're being greedy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 05:47:50 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 23, 2013, 05:34:09 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 05:26:33 PM

He's a very good talent, but do we need another slightly-built wingforward type? I'd have thought a playmaker with more intelligence and ability to dictate tempo and make things happen in the central area of the final third, like he had at Norwich but obviously to a more Villa Standard. A rich man's Wes Hoolahan, in other words.

This perhaps.

Or both if we're being greedy.

Would be nice if we could be greedy for once. Weimann/Tonev/this guy could potentially play down the middle of the three behind Benteke. With Carruthers away, we don't have a huge amount of top-quality players (I'm not including Jordan Boweryin that, btw.) of that attacking midfield type. With four of those we could rotate the players around Benteke nicely throughout the year. I know we've played two quality teams in the opening games but Lambert hasn't shown that he wants to play a No. 10, instead going with the three solid CMs across the middle. If he is gonna carry that on (obviously it's early days, it'll be interesting when we play a lesser team at home, maybe even against pool on Sat) there would be scope for him to join and play regularly and develop IMO.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 23, 2013, 06:14:07 PM

Quote from: DrGonzo on August 23, 2013, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 23, 2013, 04:39:43 PM

Quote from: damon loves JT on August 23, 2013, 04:36:27 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

At his secret base under a volcano in Japan

Looking for Kiyotake?

Is that the sequel to Ken Loach's "Looking for Eric"?

Hello...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2013, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

For Liverpool I'd stick with the solid three, definitely. But against lower midtable and down sides, especially at home, I'd like to see a number 10 and a more adventurous 4-2-3-1.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: jembob on August 23, 2013, 06:20:37 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

Don't worry about him. He's alive and working really hard at the moment but I'm not sure if he's renewed his ST yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 06:34:46 PM

Quote from: jembob on August 23, 2013, 06:20:37 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

Don't worry about him. He's alive and working really hard at the moment but I'm not sure if he's renewed his ST yet.

Working hard you say? He's MON's agent isn't he?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 23, 2013, 06:56:52 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

For Liverpool I'd stick with the solid three, definitely. But against lower midtable and down sides, especially at home, I'd like to see a number 10 and a more adventurous 4-2-3-1.

As it's a position we're only looking to fill either in the games you mention or when we're chasing a game I'm happy with a 'part-time' option in there who also covers elsewhere, Tonev for example, but I'd like another option as well, preferably who covers for Weimann and Gabby.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2013, 07:06:52 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 23, 2013, 06:56:52 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

For Liverpool I'd stick with the solid three, definitely. But against lower midtable and down sides, especially at home, I'd like to see a number 10 and a more adventurous 4-2-3-1.

As it's a position we're only looking to fill either in the games you mention or when we're chasing a game I'm happy with a 'part-time' option in there who also covers elsewhere, Tonev for example, but I'd like another option as well, preferably who covers for Weimann and Gabby.

I see what you mean, but I'd like that player to be able to slot back in as a hardworking member of a midfield three as well. More of an attacking midfielder than a second striker, is what I think I mean.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 07:08:11 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 23, 2013, 06:56:52 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

For Liverpool I'd stick with the solid three, definitely. But against lower midtable and down sides, especially at home, I'd like to see a number 10 and a more adventurous 4-2-3-1.

As it's a position we're only looking to fill either in the games you mention or when we're chasing a game I'm happy with a 'part-time' option in there who also covers elsewhere, Tonev for example, but I'd like another option as well, preferably who covers for Weimann and Gabby.

I agree with that Paul. Ironic because its arguably the strength of our side at the moment, but I think a player to compete with gabby and benteke (who both could be asked to fill for benteke if he's in available) would be worthwhile. To keep them on their toes and allow them to be rested. Tonev could be that man but I've not seen him play yet, assuming he is not I'd suggest Moses ad an option (maybe even on loan).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 09:47:26 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 07:08:11 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 23, 2013, 06:56:52 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 23, 2013, 06:15:44 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 23, 2013, 06:08:49 PM

I think there is a danger that we're underestimating Liverpool. I'd stick with the solid three for this match, at least from the start.

For Liverpool I'd stick with the solid three, definitely. But against lower midtable and down sides, especially at home, I'd like to see a number 10 and a more adventurous 4-2-3-1.

As it's a position we're only looking to fill either in the games you mention or when we're chasing a game I'm happy with a 'part-time' option in there who also covers elsewhere, Tonev for example, but I'd like another option as well, preferably who covers for Weimann and Gabby.

I agree with that Paul. Ironic because its arguably the strength of our side at the moment, but I think a player to compete with gabby and benteke (who both could be asked to fill for benteke if he's in available) would be worthwhile. To keep them on their toes and allow them to be rested. Tonev could be that man but I've not seen him play yet, assuming he is not I'd suggest Moses ad an option (maybe even on loan).

I would agree. A wide forward for me more than a number 10, simply because I don't think there are many sides we can afford not to have 3 in the centre of the pitch, win the battle before the war and all that. A central midfielder that will do the work with the flair to also unlock the opposition and get some goals would be great though! Someone like Kagowa at United when he gets going would be grand. Double deal for Fischer and Erikson would be grand.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie on August 23, 2013, 10:00:23 PM

Looked solid so far, Pool a capable team who see VP as a luck ground, stay with present configuration even if personnel change, experiment in League Cup.  Should have 4 points at least, 3 more would be very good, draw them on and counter attack.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 10:14:43 PM

I think it is the best plan against Liverpool. They are quite confident in themselves and we need to watch Sturridge, but hitting them on the counter could hurt them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Keeno on August 23, 2013, 10:59:37 PM

I think both Fischer AND Eriksen would be a liiittle bit out of our reach, unless we wanted to chuck up 25m+ for the pair. We can but dream... I agree about us needing to play the midfield 3 in a lot of games this season, which is why Fischer would be a great option to give competition in the guys either side of Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on August 23, 2013, 11:08:58 PM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2013, 05:30:30 PM

That chip was beautiful!

All chips are beautiful. Apart from frozen ones. They are evil.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2013, 08:17:15 AM

Quote from: jembob on August 23, 2013, 06:20:37 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2013, 03:59:46 PM

so wheres Greg?

Don't worry about him. He's alive and working really hard at the moment but I'm not sure if he's renewed his ST yet.

ST? - I didn't think he ever went anywhere near VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2013, 09:07:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 09:47:26 PM

I would agree. A wide forward for me more than a number 10, simply because I don't think there are many sides we can afford not to have 3 in the centre of the pitch, win the battle before the war and all that. A central midfielder that will do the work with the flair to also unlock the opposition and get some goals would be great though! Someone like Kagowa at United when he gets going would be grand. Double deal for Fischer and Erikson would be grand.

My point is that we should sign a player who is both no. 10 and a pest in midfield - like Kiyotake, or Eriksen (though we won't get Eriksen), rather than Fischer who is essentially the same player as Tonev or Weimann. Our attacks look a little predictable at the moment, and while that's fine on the counter against teams who will attack us, against massed defences I can see us having the same problems as the MON years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2013, 09:18:32 AM

I think we do need maybe another couple. We're only 2 games in and some players are on two bookings already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 24, 2013, 09:24:20 AM

I'm not expecting anymore signings , I'd be happy enough to go with the squad we have as there is plenty of competition for places now.

If the right attacking midfielder became available however then we may look to do something but i feel it will be a quite deadline day regarding incomings, hopefully we may shift 2 or 3 out though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2013, 09:57:55 AM

Quote from: Montbert on August 24, 2013, 09:07:46 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2013, 09:47:26 PM

I would agree. A wide forward for me more than a number 10, simply because I don't think there are many sides we can afford not to have 3 in the centre of the pitch, win the battle before the war and all that. A central midfielder that will do the work with the flair to also unlock the opposition and get some goals would be great though! Someone like Kagowa at United when he gets going would be grand. Double deal for Fischer and Erikson would be grand.

My point is that we should sign a player who is both no. 10 and a pest in midfield - like Kiyotake, or Eriksen (though we won't get Eriksen), rather than Fischer who is essentially the same player as Tonev or Weimann. Our attacks look a little predictable at the moment, and while that's fine on the counter against teams who will attack us, against massed defences I can see us having the same problems as the MON years.

I agree in the longer term, and if the cash is there to get both then great.

At this moment though, I would sooner have a really top player in the Gabby as an essential part of the way we play should we lose him, and remain solid in the centre of the park. Long term we need both I completely agree with you, for the games that you suggest. A cheap option might be someone like Maloney for a couple of seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2013, 08:47:09 PM

So yes this number 10 fellow to break down mass defences like Liverpool today......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2013, 08:48:25 PM

And to help us keep the ball better. We looked frantic and short of ideas today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2013, 08:51:21 PM

We certainly need a player in the middle of the park that when going forward can put his foot on it, find a pass and maybe beat a man, but our movement needs to be better too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2013, 08:52:10 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2013, 08:51:21 PM

We certainly need a player in the middle of the park that when going forward can put his foot on it, find a pass and maybe beat a man, but our movement needs to be better too.

Agreed, and while this kind of player can make a big difference to the players around him, the players around him need to be brave and move off the ball as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2013, 08:54:57 PM

It does but I just want someone who's a bit of a wildcard, who sees trying to break down a mass defence with throughballs to the striker as a challenge rather than just passing sideways all the time. Oh and who can chip in with a goal or two as the strikers won't score every single game.

We do have some good central midfielders at the club now but I think it's fair to say they all excel at the more defensive aspects of the game than going forward.

They are out there, I really had a good feeling about the Japanese lad at Nuremburg, shame that link is dead but someone of that ilk would be a great addition to the squad I feel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2013, 09:18:35 PM

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2013, 08:54:57 PM

It does but I just want someone who's a bit of a wildcard, who sees trying to break down a mass defence with throughballs to the striker as a challenge rather than just passing sideways all the time. Oh and who can chip in with a goal or two as the strikers won't score every single game.

We do have some good central midfielders at the club now but I think it's fair to say they all excel at the more defensive aspects of the game than going forward.

They are out there, I really had a good feeling about the Japanese lad at Nuremburg, shame that link is dead but someone of that ilk would be a great addition to the squad I feel.

We need a couple more attacking options, 1 from midfield and 1 from the wide roles essentially, but that are 1st team level.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 24, 2013, 09:31:32 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 24, 2013, 08:52:10 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2013, 08:51:21 PM

We certainly need a player in the middle of the park that when going forward can put his foot on it, find a pass and maybe beat a man, but our movement needs to be better too.

Agreed, and while this kind of player can make a big difference to the players around him, the players around him need to be brave and move off the ball as well.

Thought we were incredibly static up front today.
With more movement our current midfield are capable of providing the service.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 24, 2013, 10:26:38 PM

I think we should find a good playmaker and get this kid Jese from Real Madrid on season loan. As he is supposed to be really good. http://www.marca.com/2013/08/24/en/football/real_madrid/1377332125.html  Just a suggestion in case Paul Lambert or coaching staff is looking for ideas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on August 24, 2013, 10:55:00 PM

Having watched the first three games my take on it is that we really need a creative midfielder, someone to put some spark back in. So i think we should go all out for the Japanese lad from Germany, cannot remember his name, had a couple of sherberts you know. But He does seem to offer what we need.
I know he would be expensive, but, he, or someone similar could be the making of our season. A big fee would be involved and also very decent wages but it would make us far better. Just my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2013, 11:15:23 PM

Quote from: danlanza on August 24, 2013, 10:55:00 PM

Having watched the first three games my take on it is that we really need a creative midfielder, someone to put some spark back in. So i think we should go all out for the Japanese lad from Germany, cannot remember his name, had a couple of sherberts you know. But He does seem to offer what we need.
I know he would be expensive, but, he, or someone similar could be the making of our season. A big fee would be involved and also very decent wages but it would make us far better. Just my opinion.

Hiroshi Kiyotake?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM

The current set-up is generally fine for midtable, maybe lower midtable like 12th, which makes this attacking midfielder less of an absolute necessity than, say, Benteke was last year (or this year, in fact). The playmaker would move us up to the 8th-9th sort of region, as with one I think we'd have been as good as Liverpool yesterday.

However, here's a thought: as we've all (sadly) pretty much accepted that Benteke's off next year, and given that we're hopefully not in real relegation trouble this year, it might be sensible to hold off on signing this top playmaker that we need until we have the Benteke money.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 25, 2013, 10:58:27 AM

I think the money will be made available if lambert identifies the man he wants to bring in , clearly to make an inquiry regarding kiyotake he seems to be aware that we are lacking creativity and goals from midfield.

I would  be surprised if kiyotake came in but someone of similar style may come our way in the next week or so , if not then we have enough to comfortably finish top 10 in my view , the extra option could see us push for 7th or 8th.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2013, 11:03:15 AM

I think that we will get that number ten in.

We you are spending a decent sum of money, the back end of the window narrows options and crystalises matters for both sides of the bargain, so I think it will be a late one.

We have enough in us now though to finish top half.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2013, 11:06:24 AM

It would be nice if we could give one or two of the regulars a break every so often. That was one of the problems last season, the likes of Lowton, Westwood and Weimann needed a breather.

As for players coming in, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a deadline day deal of some sort.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 25, 2013, 11:29:11 AM

Quote from: Clampy on August 25, 2013, 11:06:24 AM

It would be nice if we could give one or two of the regulars a break every so often. That was one of the problems last season, the likes of Lowton, Westwood and Weimann needed a breather.

As for players coming in, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a deadline day deal of some sort.

Maybe we will get the deadline day excitement after all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 11:31:25 AM

I think we saw yesterday that Bacuna is trusted to give Lowton a break which is good news. With KEA improving and looking more settled hopefully Westwood can be rotated more and we have not seen Sylla yet this season, I was surprised he was not in yesterday. I do think we are still a central midfield player light though to maintain a 3 man midfield at full pelt all season. I like the look of the 2 lads in Holland to give competition to Weimann, Fischer and Wijnaldum. Both look ideal for that role. Weimann needs to get his spark back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2013, 12:29:47 PM

The problem I see it is we have a world class striker currently plying his trade at the club right now.

That's why I'd rather get a playmaker in now as who knows how many more goals Benteke would score, 25-30 than rather the 20 he should hit this season perhaps. Who knows what we could achieve with that combination?

We sell Benteke and get in a playmaker and suddenly he's setting up loads of chances for Gabby and Weimann to fire into the Holte End lower during their periods of poor form would be a bit of a waste imo.

Kiyoatke link is dead, Faulkner link said last week Nuremburg want too much money for him so I guess that might be revisited next summer when he's got a year less on his deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2013, 12:55:54 PM

IMHO at home it should always be 2 from 4 regarding Westwood, Delph, KEA and Sylla. They're all much of a muchness and none of them offer anything in the creative/attacking stakes.

And if we must persist with this 4-3-3 in every match then something needs to happen in the number 10 shaped 'hole' pronto

I am looking to Lambert to show me he has more than a plan A when it comes to playing this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 25, 2013, 01:11:13 PM

I think we will bring one of two in. Hopefully a creative midfielder and a centre half. Okore looks good but I don't think Baker, Clark or Vlaar have done enough to suggest they should play in most games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on August 25, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2013, 12:55:54 PM

IMHO at home it should always be 2 from 4 regarding Westwood, Delph, KEA and Sylla. They're all much of a muchness and none of them offer anything in the creative/attacking stakes.

And if we must persist with this 4-3-3 in every match then something needs to happen in the number 10 shaped 'hole' pronto

I am looking to Lambert to show me he has more than a plan A when it comes to playing this season.

Thats what we did yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2013, 01:44:03 PM

Baker showed enough at the end of last season to suggest he has it at this level but he is made of glass which is a problem.

I don't see a new centre half as a priority right now, much rather we got that AM.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on August 25, 2013, 02:48:21 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 25, 2013, 11:06:24 AM

It would be nice if we could give one or two of the regulars a break every so often. That was one of the problems last season, the likes of Lowton, Westwood and Weimann needed a breather.

As for players coming in, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a deadline day deal of some sort.

Lowton: Bacuna, Westwood: KEA, Weimann: Tonev.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2013, 03:07:03 PM

Quote from: Shrek on August 25, 2013, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2013, 12:55:54 PM

IMHO at home it should always be 2 from 4 regarding Westwood, Delph, KEA and Sylla. They're all much of a muchness and none of them offer anything in the creative/attacking stakes.

And if we must persist with this 4-3-3 in every match then something needs to happen in the number 10 shaped 'hole' pronto

I am looking to Lambert to show me he has more than a plan A when it comes to playing this season.

Thats what we did yesterday.

I keep reading this, but to my eyes the only difference was Bacuna in the midfield in place of KEA. I didn't see any 4-4-2 or change of tactics

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:14:07 PM

Gabby was noticeably deeper on the left, and Bacuna was right sided but was dragged central a lot. We changed around 35 minutes and suddenly got a foothold in the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 25, 2013, 03:33:08 PM

agree with sirbaltimore on the only difference being Bacuna put to RB and KEA ON, that difference although to late meant we had more in midfield, so at least we pushed them back. but I think 3 big games in 8 days put paid to most of our lads legs.

Confidently imho we will finish top half, which with what weve been thru in the last few seasons, will be a vast improvement So would be nice to have more options, Delph KEA and Silla are all stepping up

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 25, 2013, 03:54:49 PM

I assumed with the Kiyotake thing that it was an enquiry right at the beginning of the summer, now we've since signed Tonev to play that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2013, 04:17:49 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM

However, here's a thought: as we've all (sadly) pretty much accepted that Benteke's off next year, and given that we're hopefully not in real relegation trouble this year, it might be sensible to hold off on signing this top playmaker that we need until we have the Benteke money.

I disagree with some of that Monty. I think we're better trying to sign that player now. Even with the benteke bounty we're not likely to be able to attract £20m+ players so we might as well speculate on a £10m player now. As you say, this could boost us up the league and crucially create more goals for benteke (raising his price).

We'd still need the benteke money to buy a replacement but at least our "next" superstar will have had a season to get used to the club etc. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2013, 04:26:09 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2013, 04:17:49 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 25, 2013, 10:52:56 AM

However, here's a thought: as we've all (sadly) pretty much accepted that Benteke's off next year, and given that we're hopefully not in real relegation trouble this year, it might be sensible to hold off on signing this top playmaker that we need until we have the Benteke money.

I disagree with some of that Monty. I think we're better trying to sign that player now. Even with the benteke bounty we're not likely to be able to attract £20m+ players so we might as well speculate on a £10m player now. As you say, this could boost us up the league and crucially create more goals for benteke (raising his price).

We'd still need the benteke money to buy a replacement but at least our "next" superstar will have had a season to get used to the club etc. 

I think you're right, and I agree with you. Besides, Spurs have it right: if you know a player's on his way, spend the money before you sell him so that clubs don't demand a premium.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 25, 2013, 05:10:03 PM

 You are right baltimore.I said at the end of last season, we need a better footballer in the centre of midfield.For me, Delph and Sylla, with Westwood and KEA as stand ins, gives us a good base to play a quality player behind Benteke.An Ireland on top form would be ideal, but hes never going to do it, but a Merse kind of player in that role, couls/should probably move us up 3/4 positions.

 Lestienne, imho, would be absolutely ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2013, 05:31:58 PM

Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 25, 2013, 03:54:49 PM

I assumed with the Kiyotake thing that it was an enquiry right at the beginning of the summer, now we've since signed Tonev to play that role.

I wasn't aware that Tonev as some creative force with an assist record ?. Just looks like a quick player who loves shooting so far

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2013, 05:46:39 PM

Tonev was signed at the start of June, our first signing. We were interested in kiyoatke in July.

Tonev will come in when Weimann is off form/needs a rest which could be very soon indeed.

A new AM will replace one of the three defensive minded players we have in there currently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

The one thing almost Villa fans might agree on is having Milner in our midfield today would make us infinitely stronger and more resolute than almost every team outside the top 6. In fact throw him the middle with Delph and we are pushing top six all season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2013, 07:15:32 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

The one thing almost Villa fans might agree on is having Milner in our midfield today would make us infinitely stronger and more resolute than almost every team outside the top 6. In fact throw him the middle with Delph and we are pushing top six all season.

I said more or less the same thing earlier in the pub when he came on as sub.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2013, 07:47:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

The one thing almost Villa fans might agree on is having Milner in our midfield today would make us infinitely stronger and more resolute than almost every team outside the top 6. In fact throw him the middle with Delph and we are pushing top six all season.

Isn't Milner too similar to Delph?

Don't get me wrong, I love Milner as much as the next man, and given the choice of taking any of our recent high profile sales back, I'd take him every time, but he's very similar to Delph - who is performing far better than we expected - whereas what we need is a creative spark from midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 08:01:23 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2013, 07:47:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

The one thing almost Villa fans might agree on is having Milner in our midfield today would make us infinitely stronger and more resolute than almost every team outside the top 6. In fact throw him the middle with Delph and we are pushing top six all season.

Isn't Milner too similar to Delph?

Don't get me wrong, I love Milner as much as the next man, and given the choice of taking any of our recent high profile sales back, I'd take him every time, but he's very similar to Delph - who is performing far better than we expected - whereas what we need is a creative spark from midfield.

They have similarities but I don't think Delph has Milner's natural ability to get in the box and score goals. All very hypothetical off course but I'm sure they could work between them who stays back and who pushes forward to join the forwards. Having two players with skill and equivalent tenacity and work ethic would be incredible.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2013, 08:03:39 PM

We have Delph to win the ball and drive the game on to the edge of our box. Its here that we need somebody to spot the clever runs from Gabby, Andi and the full backs. Somebody with real guile in the final third.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 25, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

I'm sick of hearing about James Bloody Milner, I really am.

Not the answer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 25, 2013, 08:39:43 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 25, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

I'm sick of hearing about James Bloody Milner, I really am.

Not the answer.

YAY!! 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 08:58:21 PM

I'd rather have milner or Barry in the centre that westwood or at least to push him. hes far to square and lacks dynamism in his passing ! I really think Lambert feels hes a young version of him. I don't think hes up to job. I said this about Bennet and thankfully replaced. I'm starting to feel westwood needs replacing by gardner or another midfielder. shall see....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

I think Victor Moses would be a nice addition for the attacking play

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 25, 2013, 09:30:41 PM

Barry's got to be worth a shout - even a loan for a year. Give a bit of experience that's badly missing from the Villa squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2013, 09:48:27 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 25, 2013, 09:30:41 PM

Barry's got to be worth a shout - even a loan for a year. Give a bit of experience that's badly missing from the Villa squad.

I don't think he's got the pace or mobility to play in our pressing game. If one is out of synch then the midfield can get picked off too easily.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2013, 10:06:09 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2013, 09:48:27 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 25, 2013, 09:30:41 PM

Barry's got to be worth a shout - even a loan for a year. Give a bit of experience that's badly missing from the Villa squad.

I don't think he's got the pace or mobility to play in our pressing game. If one is out of synch then the midfield can get picked off too easily.

Spot on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 10:40:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 25, 2013, 10:06:09 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 25, 2013, 09:48:27 PM

Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 25, 2013, 09:30:41 PM

Barry's got to be worth a shout - even a loan for a year. Give a bit of experience that's badly missing from the Villa squad.

I don't think he's got the pace or mobility to play in our pressing game. If one is out of synch then the midfield can get picked off too easily.

Spot on.

Hes as mobile as Westwood!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john2710 on August 25, 2013, 11:21:34 PM

Any possible No. 10 is going to be very ineffective if the forwards are as static as they were yesterday.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 11:25:09 PM

Quote from: john2710 on August 25, 2013, 11:21:34 PM

Any possible No. 10 is going to be very ineffective if the forwards are as static as they were yesterday.

Agree completely. They only started to move really when Helenius came on and in the last minute Tonev finally went outside to beat a man. Weimann was so anonymous and just did not find those pockets he was great at last season and in fairness found against Chelsea. I will put it down to 3 in a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on August 25, 2013, 11:29:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 08:58:21 PM

I'd rather have milner or Barry in the centre that westwood or at least to push him. hes far to square and lacks dynamism in his passing ! I really think Lambert feels hes a young version of him. I don't think hes up to job. I said this about Bennet and thankfully replaced. I'm starting to feel westwood needs replacing by gardner or another midfielder. shall see....

Villakicks......you are a complete fruitcake a times but as they say, if you throw enough darts.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 26, 2013, 01:35:29 AM

Quote from: mr woo on August 25, 2013, 11:29:02 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 08:58:21 PM

I'd rather have milner or Barry in the centre that westwood or at least to push him. hes far to square and lacks dynamism in his passing ! I really think Lambert feels hes a young version of him. I don't think hes up to job. I said this about Bennet and thankfully replaced. I'm starting to feel westwood needs replacing by gardner or another midfielder. shall see....

Villakicks......you are a complete fruitcake a times but as they say, if you throw enough darts.....

One will eventually rebound off the board and hit you in the eye...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 26, 2013, 04:54:51 AM

If I were Lambert, I would let Weinmann know he need to do better.

It is a shame we can't use Stephen Ireland as our number 10 as he got the talent but not desire / workrate / attitude / hunger. Barry could be useful but what the point of getting players on loan if he play half of the games plus his age count against him. How is Barry performance in last few months compared to Barry say 3 season ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 26, 2013, 08:44:49 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 26, 2013, 04:54:51 AM

If I were Lambert, I would let Weinmann know he need to do better.

It is a shame we can't use Stephen Ireland as our number 10 as he got the talent but not desire / workrate / attitude / hunger. Barry could be useful but what the point of getting players on loan if he play half of the games plus his age count against him. How is Barry performance in last few months compared to Barry say 3 season ago.

The only shame about Ireland is the effort he puts in for a return of around £60k a week.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave shelley on August 26, 2013, 10:08:29 AM

Sadly, the only shame about Stephen Ireland is, that he has none.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 26, 2013, 10:11:31 AM

It's a shame that he's still at the club.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 26, 2013, 10:28:54 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2013, 07:47:22 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 25, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2013, 03:30:08 PM

Looking at the Man City side, I still wish we could get Jimmy back in the centre of midfield.

The one thing almost Villa fans might agree on is having Milner in our midfield today would make us infinitely stronger and more resolute than almost every team outside the top 6. In fact throw him the middle with Delph and we are pushing top six all season.

Isn't Milner too similar to Delph?

Don't get me wrong, I love Milner as much as the next man, and given the choice of taking any of our recent high profile sales back, I'd take him every time, but he's very similar to Delph - who is performing far better than we expected - whereas what we need is a creative spark from midfield.

I agree. I agree that Milner is great, but he's not the answer to our midfield problems - remember, we had the same problems when he was in our midfield.

As for Barry, no way is he as mobile as Westwood, and no way is he the answer to our problems in midfield. There's one specific type of player we need, and frankly we haven't had him since at least Merson and probably Sid.

Re Moses, I know Chelsea will probably look to let him go as part of an exodus of squad players but he's another wingforward type, whereas we need a playmaker to part the waves of opposition defences.

Ahem. Sorry.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2013, 11:29:58 AM

I'd really like someone who can play as the attacking midfielder with an eye for a pass and a bit of trickery, but I'd love it even more if the same player could play wide as well as I think we're short in both spots.

The fischer and eriksen double signing thing that was mentioned before would be perfect, but would mean a massive outlay.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 26, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

Quote from: paul_e on August 26, 2013, 11:29:58 AM

I'd really like someone who can play as the attacking midfielder with an eye for a pass and a bit of trickery, but I'd love it even more if the same player could play wide as well as I think we're short in both spots.

The fischer and eriksen double signing thing that was mentioned before would be perfect, but would mean a massive outlay.

Cant see both coming in , i would be happy with either of those.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2013, 12:10:53 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 25, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

I'm sick of hearing about James Bloody Milner, I really am.

Not the answer.

well said that man .         

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2013, 01:08:02 PM

James Milner has become the embodiment of the type of player we are missing. It's so much that I absolutely want him back as much I want to see get someone else to give us what he did. A bit like Okore might be a replacement for Laursen in time. It's the first time since Laursen I have been as excited about a Villa CB. We need a midfielder that has the energy, desire and goalscoring ability that Milner provided. Maybe that player is Delph, or maybe we need someone else. I understand it is a tired conversation, but until we actually get a new player that helps us move on from the past he'll always be referenced in conversation.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 01:30:36 PM

I think we need creativity and guile rather than energy.

If Delph hadn't stepped up to the plate the last third of a season and handful of games, I'd agree, but he has. This is the first time since he's gone that I've found myself less than eager to have Milner back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2013, 01:33:14 PM

Milner alongside Delph in the centre of the park would be brilliant. Our creativity needs to come then from the wide roles, and with Gabby bang in form we need someone a bit more skillful and creative than Weimann on the other side, or visa versa. I think we will be completely overrun in the middle if we try and have a diminutive creative player as one of the 3. They need to be more like Lampard, will score goals and get forward and add an attacker in the box, but still work like a dog and not cause us to lose our shape. It is a really difficult one to solve.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2013, 01:50:33 PM

I still think for finding that extra bit of consistency, we need a good creative midfielder and a center half in. Players who will be ready to step in and dominate now rather than in 1-2-3 years time.

We have played generally quite well in the first 3 games. There has been a marked improvement and defensively we're not as bad as last term, but the fact is we've had two games we could rightfully have claimed points and got 0. I'd rather play shit and win than play well and lose.

We'll have games where our attack doesn't quite click. Some games we'll need to grind out. I don't think we have that ability right now. We still lack a Merson type figure in midfield who'll find that special pass, or someone who'll deliver a first rate set piece.

At the back we still lack that strong figurehead who'll keep everyone on the ball. We've had 3 games and conceded 3 fairly sloppy early goals. Vlaar needed to be doing better in those occasions too. He has been fairly good otherwise, but for me, we need someone better. Okore looks very promising but he's still very much one for the future.

I think if we're serious about top 8 and really pushing Everton, Liverpool and basically the best of the rest, then we're two quality signings short. Otherwise I expect a similar level of inconsistency as the tail end of last year. It won't be as bad as over xmas time when we were wretched, but we'll finish bottom half. Unless we have that extra solidity in the middle of our backline and that extra bit of creative spark and guile in midfield, then we won't win more games than we lose. If we want to finish top 8, we'll have to do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 26, 2013, 01:53:48 PM

i can't agree that our creativity needs to come from wide. that's just one option surely?

all good sides need something else through the middle. as fine as the likes of Delph, Westwood, KEA and Sylla are at their jobs. None of them have shown any creativity at all thus far. and lets be honest, it's not something you learn or get better at really, you're born with a footballing brain

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2013, 01:56:06 PM

having a player that can work hard but also contribute with goals and assists by joining the attack is as important as a specifically creative player in my opinion. We have three forwards who all create goals. For me adding goals from midfield is more important than having a creative midfield player. I want the other team to worried about where our goals are coming from as opposed to nullifying the supposed creative player in our side. That said, being greedy, can I not have both?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2013, 02:01:09 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 26, 2013, 01:53:48 PM

i can't agree that our creativity needs to come from wide. that's just one option surely?

all good sides need something else through the middle. as fine as the likes of Delph, Westwood, KEA and Sylla are at their jobs. None of them have shown any creativity at all thus far. and lets be honest, it's not something you learn or get better at really, you're born with a footballing brain

If we play 3 in CM then one of them needs to either be making runs into the box, and/or be able to pick out that killer pass. There's also the option to have a wide option more akin to Mata, than one of Wiemann/Gabby. He can drift from wide and pick a pass and his movement is dangerous. Andy really works hard but sometimes goes missing in games. I don't think he's entirely suited to his wide position. Certainly, playing at home we're just lacking an element of guile. Whether that comes in one of the wide positions, or from central, is another matter, but we do need it. It's important for us to win more home games, particularly we have to dominate lower half teams on our own turf. We'll struggle to do that as things stand because when we're not attacking on the counter, our front line is predictable against deep lying opposition. In all honesty there's not that much between the way we play now, and our side under O Neill in the first 2-3 seasons.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2013, 12:10:53 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 25, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

I'm sick of hearing about James Bloody Milner, I really am.

Not the answer.

well said that man .         

Yes fuck him I say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2013, 05:01:46 PM

I don't think I'd want to go that far but agreed it's about as likely as that mad dentist thinking he can clone John Lennon from one of his teeth. Imagine!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 26, 2013, 05:13:58 PM

Most creative midfielders also add goals - it's just this new Spanish breed who are weird in this respect (Iniesta and David Silva, for instance, have massively low goal-tallies compared to what you'd expect). Christian Eriksen: he scores and creates because he creates space for everyone to exploit, including himself. He's also extremely hardworking in the Ajax tradition and could also enable Delph to make some forward runs from midfield. He's also going to cost someone like Dortmund something like £20m, so that's out of the question.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: barrysleftfoot on August 26, 2013, 05:25:59 PM

 Eriksen is out of our range, but the next Eriksen is'nt.A lestienne, Fischer, kind of player is probably more of a risk, but probably half the price atm, and if developed could be as highly priced in a couple of years time as Eriksen is now.

 A few years ago after watching him in the U21 competition, i recommended we go for Ozil, i think he moved just afterwards for about £6m, i think Lestienne, from what i have seen of him, will be as good as Ozil, so for me he is worth a £10m gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2013, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

I think Victor Moses would be a nice addition for the attacking play

Rumoured to be going on loan for the season to Klanfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 26, 2013, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

I think Victor Moses would be a nice addition for the attacking play

Rumoured to be going on loan for the season to Klanfield.

Would Chelsea really loan a player to Liverpool?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2013, 05:38:22 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 26, 2013, 02:04:22 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2013, 12:10:53 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 25, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

I'm sick of hearing about James Bloody Milner, I really am.

Not the answer.

well said that man .         

Yes fuck him I say.

Yep, the constant hankering for "Milly" fcuks me off more than anything else on here.
I'd rather have Delph who will go on to be a better, more complete player in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 26, 2013, 05:42:35 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 26, 2013, 01:50:33 PM

I still think for finding that extra bit of consistency, we need a good creative midfielder and a center half in. Players who will be ready to step in and dominate now rather than in 1-2-3 years time.

We have played generally quite well in the first 3 games. There has been a marked improvement and defensively we're not as bad as last term, but the fact is we've had two games we could rightfully have claimed points and got 0. I'd rather play shit and win than play well and lose.

We'll have games where our attack doesn't quite click. Some games we'll need to grind out. I don't think we have that ability right now. We still lack a Merson type figure in midfield who'll find that special pass, or someone who'll deliver a first rate set piece.

At the back we still lack that strong figurehead who'll keep everyone on the ball. We've had 3 games and conceded 3 fairly sloppy early goals. Vlaar needed to be doing better in those occasions too. He has been fairly good otherwise, but for me, we need someone better. Okore looks very promising but he's still very much one for the future.

I think if we're serious about top 8 and really pushing Everton, Liverpool and basically the best of the rest, then we're two quality signings short. Otherwise I expect a similar level of inconsistency as the tail end of last year. It won't be as bad as over xmas time when we were wretched, but we'll finish bottom half. Unless we have that extra solidity in the middle of our backline and that extra bit of creative spark and guile in midfield, then we won't win more games than we lose. If we want to finish top 8, we'll have to do that.

Supertom I salute you. I have been saying similar for ages. A dominant CB (Okore is going to be a revelation) Vlaar and Baker can be used when needed. And a cheaper version of someone like Cazorla-Silva and we could make top 8 this season instead of 2-3yrs time. I hope PL has got the same vision ......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2013, 05:55:57 PM

It's not that visionary though is it? Signing better and more players    will improve the squad but it does need to be balanced by trying to get the most if the players we already have. If we don't their talent will not materialise and we'll have no room/money to expand in the next window or next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2013, 06:08:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 26, 2013, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

I think Victor Moses would be a nice addition for the attacking play

Rumoured to be going on loan for the season to Klanfield.

Would Chelsea really loan a player to Liverpool?

They sold Sturridge to them. Might be wrong, but I don't think they see them as rival, and Moses would fit into the Rodgers way quite well.

I can see the want of a centre half, and think a defender covering there and right back might be nice, but if you look at Bacuna playing right back on Sunday, I don't think another defender will be anywhere near the radar. Clark played well at Arse, Okore in the second half and the whole game against Liverpool, Vlaar is looking better and we know Baker is a decent defender if a little insane that ends up with him getting injured. Another one while nice, is down the list now having seen them play in the first 3 games. I would add that I don't think Okore looks one for the future. Sometimes players are ready younger when they are really talented, and I think he sits in that bracket with Benteke.

I do like what I have read about the lad Barryleftfoot suggests. Only seen the youtube clips but looks a good player. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 06:24:26 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 26, 2013, 06:08:45 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 05:35:44 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 26, 2013, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on August 25, 2013, 09:12:36 PM

I think Victor Moses would be a nice addition for the attacking play

Rumoured to be going on loan for the season to Klanfield.

Would Chelsea really loan a player to Liverpool?

They sold Sturridge to them. Might be wrong, but I don't think they see them as rival, and Moses would fit into the Rodgers way quite well.

Selling them a player is one thing, but lending them one? I'd have thought the concerns about strengthening a rival would be stronger re loans than sales.

Oh well, maybe I am being overly suspicious, but it'd strike me as odd if that deal went through.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 26, 2013, 06:26:38 PM

Might be an early sweetener for the arm muncher to go to Chelsea next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 26, 2013, 06:31:20 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2013, 05:55:57 PM

It's not that visionary though is it? Signing better and more players    will improve the squad but it does need to be balanced by trying to get the most if the players we already have. If we don't their talent will not materialise and we'll have no room/money to expand in the next window or next summer.

The vision is relative to how quickly the player PL has plucked out adapts. Lowton-Westwood- Benteke even Guzan have stepped up and produced. Vlaar looked better Saturday I admit, but struggles generally. For the money PL is buying players it has to be worth the gamble. Ireland is supposed to be a "better" player and look how that has turned out ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2013, 07:31:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 01:30:36 PM

I think we need creativity and guile rather than energy.

Agree.  Was listening to Talksport earlier and they were talking about the possibility of Mata leaving Chelsea and him not really being too mobile but making up for it with his quality on the ball.  I don't think players really need to be very mobile and athletic to play in the "number 10 role", but vision ad quality on the ball are musts. 

Obviously we won't be in the market for Mata, but we could do with finding a young up and coming version of him.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2013, 03:46:17 AM

Was watching the ManUre-Chelsea game bored rigid thinking how on earth a player with the class of Mata can't get a game ahead of that German Shirley bloke and the other new lad who looks about 14.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2013, 07:26:18 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 27, 2013, 03:46:17 AM

Was watching the ManUre-Chelsea game bored rigid thinking how on earth a player with the class of Mata can't get a game ahead of that German Shirley bloke and the other new lad who looks about 14.

I kept thinkin how one footed Hazard looked for such a talented player, and that Schurle is a new rival for the ugliest player in the league.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:45:58 AM

Chelsea sell Struddige as Rafa had connections to Liverpool in the past. If Chelsea think selling good players to the like of Liverpool, Aston Villa and so on they will be stronger and beat their rivals and it might help to win the title easier instead of needing 94 points of winning the title when 86 might be enough.

We should contact Chelsea to see we can get Mata on loan.
 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 08:50:05 AM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:45:58 AM

Chelsea sell Struddige as Rafa had connections to Liverpool in the past. If Chelsea think selling good players to the like of Liverpool, Aston Villa and so on they will be stronger and beat their rivals and it might help to win the title easier instead of needing 94 points of winning the title when 86 might be enough.

We should contact Chelsea to see we can get Mata on loan.
 

Not a cat in hells chance of us getting mata on loan .
If Moses did go to Liverpool on loan i guess the face Rodgers and mourinho are old pals will have helped them swing the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 27, 2013, 08:53:50 AM

It's strange that Jose doesn't rate Mata. He was one of the best players in the league last year and their player of the year. They do seem to lack a certain bit of guile when he's not playing.
I'd absolutely love to have Mata on loan but there's no chance whatsoever. Maybe when he's 35. He'll get sold back to Spain, or Italy or somewhere. Utd could do far worse than working him into any Rooney deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 27, 2013, 09:21:04 AM

If I was united I'd have him as part of a deal. He's shown over the past 2 years he's better than Rooney.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2013, 09:43:55 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2013, 07:26:18 AM

I kept thinkin how one footed Hazard looked for such a talented player, and that Schurle is a new rival for the ugliest player in the league.

I can't see where his £18m price tag has come from. His record and age seems very similar to Weimann over the last couple of seasons.

And with the best will in the world I can't imagine Chelsea wanting to start Weimann on his own up front on a trip to ManYoo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 27, 2013, 10:21:16 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 26, 2013, 07:31:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 01:30:36 PM

I think we need creativity and guile rather than energy.

Agree.  Was listening to Talksport earlier and they were talking about the possibility of Mata leaving Chelsea and him not really being too mobile but making up for it with his quality on the ball.  I don't think players really need to be very mobile and athletic to play in the "number 10 role", but vision ad quality on the ball are musts. 

Obviously we won't be in the market for Mata, but we could do with finding a young up and coming version of him.   

I'm not entirely sure I agree. 

Our style is a high tempo/in your face brand of football where everyone puts in a real shift each game.  It was mentioned on some radio station I had on over the weekend that this might be one reason for having such a young side - so they have the energy to do this for 90 minutes.  We also seem to have a good team spirit.

The question is, does either get harmed by what you're suggesting?  If we've got a weak link in the closing down, that lessens us a lot.  And what happens to the team spirit if one player isn't pulling their weight?

I have no doubt that Lambert would love that extra quality in there, but I think he'd only take it with a player who also gets about the pitch as much as everyone else.  Think of a Stephen Gerrard more than a Juan Mata.     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2013, 12:41:45 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 27, 2013, 10:21:16 AM

Quote from: tomd2103 on August 26, 2013, 07:31:36 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2013, 01:30:36 PM

I think we need creativity and guile rather than energy.

Agree.  Was listening to Talksport earlier and they were talking about the possibility of Mata leaving Chelsea and him not really being too mobile but making up for it with his quality on the ball.  I don't think players really need to be very mobile and athletic to play in the "number 10 role", but vision ad quality on the ball are musts. 

Obviously we won't be in the market for Mata, but we could do with finding a young up and coming version of him.   

I'm not entirely sure I agree. 

Our style is a high tempo/in your face brand of football where everyone puts in a real shift each game.  It was mentioned on some radio station I had on over the weekend that this might be one reason for having such a young side - so they have the energy to do this for 90 minutes.  We also seem to have a good team spirit.

The question is, does either get harmed by what you're suggesting?  If we've got a weak link in the closing down, that lessens us a lot.  And what happens to the team spirit if one player isn't pulling their weight?

I have no doubt that Lambert would love that extra quality in there, but I think he'd only take it with a player who also gets about the pitch as much as everyone else.  Think of a Stephen Gerrard more than a Juan Mata.     

Your logic, CJ, suggests Wigan's  McCarthy or Derby's Hughes; or something somewhat similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 12:48:02 PM

Apparently Sochaux are about to take Razak Boukari on loan from Wolves. This could possibly free-up that Boudebouz who we've been linked with...?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2389521/Aston-Villa-scouts-watch-Sochaux-winger-Ryad-Boudebouz.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Apparently Paul Faulkner was alleged to have said at Saturday's game that we are in for one more. No names were mentioned but the player was said by PF to be one that will 'make a difference'. Whatever that means.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 27, 2013, 01:25:03 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Apparently Paul Faulkner was alleged to have said at Saturday's game that we are in for one more. No names were mentioned but the player was said by PF to be one that will 'make a difference'. Whatever that means.

Rooney on loan.  Nailed on.  Or something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2013, 01:25:10 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Apparently Paul Faulkner was alleged to have said at Saturday's game that we are in for one more. No names were mentioned but the player was said by PF to be one that will 'make a difference'. Whatever that means.

Where did you read that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2013, 01:28:08 PM

OMGZ its Gareth Bale!!!!1111!!!!!!

ITK!!!111!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 01:42:18 PM

Sounds very unlike faulkner to make a comment like that ,probably taken out of context i imagine.

May have said if the right player became available that would make a difference then we would be interested or something similar.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 02:04:04 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2013, 01:25:10 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Apparently Paul Faulkner was alleged to have said at Saturday's game that we are in for one more. No names were mentioned but the player was said by PF to be one that will 'make a difference'. Whatever that means.

Where did you read that?

could it be a case a of Chinese whispers and what he might have said is that the club would only sign a player if that player would really make a difference. I assume they wouldn't sign any player without serious thought and consideration. Just doesn't seem to be the way we operate anymore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 02:14:32 PM

It would be nice if we could make a move asap so we can have enough time for Plan B if needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Didnt Shay  play for newcastle when Clarke was coach under ruud gullit?
Might be a goer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andrew08 on August 27, 2013, 02:27:02 PM

Quote
'could it be a case a of Chinese whispers'
Thats the punch line in Joke of the Year isn't it?

Anyway we still haven't resolved the defensive issues, but to be fair to PL we haven't had Sylia in the side yet. If this was the Jan window I'd be a bit more concerned but lets see how we go first. However I expect some journeyman 6ft 4 centre half to score from a corner tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 27, 2013, 02:34:09 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 01:18:06 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 12:38:46 PM

It's all gone a bit quiet on the links/itk scene, and nothing from Mr Lambert.  Starting to think we've already done all of our business...

Apparently Paul Faulkner was alleged to have said at Saturday's game that we are in for one more. No names were mentioned but the player was said by PF to be one that will 'make a difference'. Whatever that means.

Wasn't that what the club said before unveiling Simon Dawkins?  If it's that sort of difference, I'll pass thanks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 03:29:40 PM

@MatKendrick: Lambert on transfers: "There won't be any major movement but if something comes up and we think it's right, we'll look at it." #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:33:03 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 03:29:40 PM

@MatKendrick: Lambert on transfers: "There won't be any major movement but if something comes up and we think it's right, we'll look at it." #avfc

so my translation of Faullkner might have said wasn't too far off the mark. I don't think we openly talk about what we will do to falsely raise expecations. Harry Redknapp would hate to work for us

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 27, 2013, 03:35:48 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 03:29:40 PM

@MatKendrick: Lambert on transfers: "There won't be any major movement but if something comes up and we think it's right, we'll look at it." #avfc

Pretty much exactly what you'd expect him to say.  It could be a smokescreen, but I reckon that's the true position and we're unlikely to see another face come in now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:41:11 PM

I happen to think the home game against Liverpool might have confirmed what he already knew so I haven't given up hope of another deal. I think the inquiry about Kiyotake suggests that he did look at that type of player, we do need it and someone like that would make a difference

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 03:41:31 PM

Can't believe we can't find someone to take Ireland off our hands...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 03:41:31 PM

Can't believe we can't find someone to take Ireland off our hands...

Ireland would be the hardest to move because he clearly has no desire to play. What's more surprising is Fonz, Bannan, Hutton and Given

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2013, 03:44:00 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:41:11 PM

I happen to think the home game against Liverpool might have confirmed what he already knew so I haven't given up hope of another deal. I think the inquiry about Kiyotake suggests that he did look at that type of player, we do need it and someone like that would make a difference

I agree with you completely. However, it's perfectly possible that the right player - it may even be Kiyotake - is not available at the moment and Lambo is willing to wait, as he did with Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 03:41:31 PM

Can't believe we can't find someone to take Ireland off our hands...

Ireland would be the hardest to move because he clearly has no desire to play. What's more surprising is Fonz, Bannan, Hutton and Given

Fonz has gone back to Blackpool on loan. He's only done enough in his career to be considered by Championship teams and his wages would make him one of the most expensive in that league so it's not that much of a surprise. Bannan could have gone to Blackburn if he hadn't been so greedy/arrogant about where he thinks he should be playing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:52:01 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 27, 2013, 03:44:00 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 03:41:11 PM

I happen to think the home game against Liverpool might have confirmed what he already knew so I haven't given up hope of another deal. I think the inquiry about Kiyotake suggests that he did look at that type of player, we do need it and someone like that would make a difference

I agree with you completely. However, it's perfectly possible that the right player - it may even be Kiyotake - is not available at the moment and Lambo is willing to wait, as he did with Okore.

Oh, I don't doubt that for a second. I'm sure we won't be dragged into paying over the top prices for any player, and certainly won't buy out of desperation, because I genuinely think it isn't a position we desperately need, but rather one that would help a lot. If we have to go without until January and get that player at a more reasonable price we'll do that. There's players at the tclub like Tonev for example that none of really know yet what he is capable of doing. Same for Bacuna or Helenius. Bacuna had a poor first game but many had written off KEA after almost a full season yet he's come back looking much more capable of offering us something in his second season. There's a long way to go, and Lambert might just want to see how these new players come on, plus give the likes of Gardner a chance to develop.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 27, 2013, 03:55:28 PM

Agree TV. We're back in a position which we used to detest but which now feels quite relieving - midtable safety. As a result, we're not desperate for the signing which will save us from relegation and thus ensure our future survival as a club, but it would be nice to be better and try to move beyond our middling surroundings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 27, 2013, 04:16:39 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 27, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

Bannan could have gone to Blackburn if he hadn't been so greedy/arrogant about where he thinks he should be playing.

Or was just worried about playing for Britain's least stable club?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 27, 2013, 04:38:25 PM

Quote from: Montbert on August 27, 2013, 03:55:28 PM

Agree TV. We're back in a position which we used to detest but which now feels quite relieving - midtable safety. As a result, we're not desperate for the signing which will save us from relegation and thus ensure our future survival as a club, but it would be nice to be better and try to move beyond our middling surroundings.

evolution my brother. I'd rather we made steady forward progress than the boom and bust of recent years. Once we have a stable ship the pieces we add will be a combination of those players that will maintain that stability coupled with one or two pieces that really push us on. People talk about the Dortmund model, but they are not getting to the CL final without having solid pros mixed in with the right top level players all pulling in the same direction. If that's the general direction we are heading then I am willing to be patient to see us get there. I don't think for a second Lambert will want to be known for his ambitions ending happily in mid table.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: FatSam on August 27, 2013, 04:45:47 PM

From Guardian Live Football Blog (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/27/transfer-news-latest-absolutely-not-featuring-gareth-bale-live)

Quote

One from leftfield here: Tuttomercato are reporting that Diogo Viana, a former Portugal Under-21 international currently playing for Gil Vicente in the Portuguese top flight, is a €1.5m target for Aston Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2013, 04:48:22 PM

Enda Stevens has gone on loan to Notts County apparantley.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on August 27, 2013, 05:08:36 PM

So only 5 of the bomb squad left now, Bannan, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Hutton and Given.  I wonder how many more we can shift before the deadline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 27, 2013, 05:11:21 PM

Quote from: bobdylan on August 27, 2013, 05:08:36 PM

So only 5 of the bomb squad left now, Bannan, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Hutton and Given.  I wonder how many more we can shift before the deadline.

N'Zogbia isn't really in the bomb squad as he's injured.  Whether or not he would be if fit is a matter of conjecture.

I think Given will go on loan somewhere, but not overly confident on the rest leaving before the deadline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2013, 05:12:59 PM

I think Charlie was useful at the end of last season. I wouldn't put him in the others.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 27, 2013, 05:23:15 PM

Bent and Given could also be useful.  With them and Charlie it's more a matter of do they fit in with what Lambert is trying to do, and if not are they too expensive to keep in the squad, than their ability as footballers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2013, 05:23:48 PM

Quote from: FatSam on August 27, 2013, 04:45:47 PM

From Guardian Live Football Blog (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/27/transfer-news-latest-absolutely-not-featuring-gareth-bale-live)

Quote

One from leftfield here: Tuttomercato are reporting that Diogo Viana, a former Portugal Under-21 international currently playing for Gil Vicente in the Portuguese top flight, is a €1.5m target for Aston Villa.

Strange one. The lad scored at the weekend against Benfica. As you'll see (1min 10 secs), he's very fast.

Just to add, nothing reported over here.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 27, 2013, 05:45:59 PM

jeez what was wrong with Benfica's finishing?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 05:51:04 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 27, 2013, 04:48:22 PM

Enda Stevens has gone on loan to Notts County apparantley.

Only on a 28 day emergency loan according to the official site.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on August 27, 2013, 05:51:44 PM

I'd totally forgotten about N'Zogbia.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 27, 2013, 06:19:52 PM

Quote from: Matt C on August 27, 2013, 05:51:44 PM

I'd totally forgotten about N'Zogbia.

You may as well, I'll wager he'll never play for us again

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 27, 2013, 07:09:40 PM

Quote from: Joshua Fineman on August 27, 2013, 03:41:31 PM

Can't believe we can't find someone to take Ireland off our hands...

It's been discussed before, but a fully functioning Ireland is exactly the sort of player we need right now.  The one that played so well for Man City for a season or two has that subtlety, vision whilst not lacking industry that our midfield is crying out for.  Unfortunately that player has long since vacated the body of the player we know now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2013, 07:43:16 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

It's Juan Mata (we can but dream).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 27, 2013, 07:47:29 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Howard Hodgson was the business man figurehead behind VFC (Villa Fans Combined)  His vision was that if all Villa fans put in £500 of their own the group could then buy the club off Ellis.  Or something along those lines.  He also wore a flashy handkerchief in his jacket top. I don't know why but it somehow made me trust his intentions a little bit less.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2013, 07:49:49 PM

Diogo Viana? Hope he's better than Hugo, how much did Noocassil spunk on him, £10m or thereabouts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on August 27, 2013, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 05:51:04 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 27, 2013, 04:48:22 PM

Enda Stevens has gone on loan to Notts County apparantley.

Only on a 28 day emergency loan according to the official site.

Does that not screw the chances of selling him in this window?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: godzvilla on August 27, 2013, 08:19:44 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 27, 2013, 05:23:48 PM

Quote from: FatSam on August 27, 2013, 04:45:47 PM

From Guardian Live Football Blog (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/27/transfer-news-latest-absolutely-not-featuring-gareth-bale-live)

Quote

One from leftfield here: Tuttomercato are reporting that Diogo Viana, a former Portugal Under-21 international currently playing for Gil Vicente in the Portuguese top flight, is a €1.5m target for Aston Villa.

This from TransferMarket Web , they say he will join in January ............Godzvilla !

 " Despite Parma offered him a 5 years deal (180 thousand euros as annual salary), Portuguese winger Diogo Viana (23), according to latest rumours collected in exclusive by TMW, is about to accept the proposal coming from Aston Villa, which he'll probably join in January 2014. Gil Vicente player refused both the loan to Nova Gorica and Panathinaikos' offer, and will probably move on an about 1.5 million euros payment " .
 
Strange one. The lad scored at the weekend against Benfica. As you'll see (1min 10 secs), he's very fast.

Just to add, nothing reported over here.

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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 27, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 26, 2013, 05:55:57 PM

It's not that visionary though is it? Signing better and more players    will improve the squad but it does need to be balanced by trying to get the most if the players we already have. If we don't their talent will not materialise and we'll have no room/money to expand in the next window or next summer.

This is good common sense. No point in signing more players. We must consolidate, improve and than add quality.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on August 27, 2013, 08:24:02 PM

Hello, Godzvilla. Why do you reckon he will sign in January instead of now?
Just askin'

Sorry, should have asked why the press think he will.

UTV

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Is that the same Howard who done a report on Villa for AVISA in the past about 8 or 9 years ago.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:31:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Didnt Shay  play for newcastle when Clarke was coach under ruud gullit?
Might be a goer.

He's too old and not good enough for the Villa anymore, so he ticks all the Albion boxes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MYSTERYMAN on August 27, 2013, 08:45:43 PM

Same info as HH they are interested in a midfielder in this window . Deal agreed with a foreign club to take Ireland would have saved us 3.5 Mill ( Not sure if that was part wages part fee ? ) but Ireland wouldn't move abroad ! Lambert now about to make it tougher for Steven Ireland who has been training part time allowed to stay in Cheshire part of the week not any more !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 08:47:38 PM

Quote from: MYSTERYMAN on August 27, 2013, 08:45:43 PM

Same info as HH they are interested in a midfielder in this window . Deal agreed with a foreign club to take Ireland would have saved us 3.5 Mill ( Not sure if that was part wages part fee ? ) but Ireland wouldn't move abroad ! Lambert now about to make it tougher for Steven Ireland who has been training part time allowed to stay in Cheshire part of the week not any more !

Interesting news - lets hope we pull off a deal for whoever lambert is chasing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:49:20 PM

If I could have money on the next poster after Mysteryman, then I would have been very wealthy indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 27, 2013, 08:50:08 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:49:20 PM

If I could have money on the next poster after Mysteryman, then I would have been very wealthy indeed.

Not as wealthy as i would have been ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2013, 08:54:23 PM

Interesting, if there's any truth to the rumours,  both Viana and Fischer are left wingers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2013, 08:58:29 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:31:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Didnt Shay  play for newcastle when Clarke was coach under ruud gullit?
Might be a goer.

He's too old and not good enough for the Villa anymore, so he ticks all the Albion boxes.

Rumour I'm hearing is Forster at Celtic is going to Benfica and Shay Given moving north of the border.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 27, 2013, 09:29:50 PM

Quote from: paulcomben on August 27, 2013, 08:08:55 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 05:51:04 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 27, 2013, 04:48:22 PM

Enda Stevens has gone on loan to Notts County apparantley.

Only on a 28 day emergency loan according to the official site.

Does that not screw the chances of selling him in this window?

There was very little chance of that anyway

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2013, 10:35:45 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 27, 2013, 08:58:29 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:31:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Didnt Shay  play for newcastle when Clarke was coach under ruud gullit?
Might be a goer.

He's too old and not good enough for the Villa anymore, so he ticks all the Albion boxes.

Rumour I'm hearing is Forster at Celtic is going to Benfica and Shay Given moving north of the border.

I hope so for him. He was on TS the other night with Keys and Grey, and spoke really well of Villa and what we are trying to do. He sounded the model pro to be honest, and it is not his fault he came in at a time when Guzan was close to being ready. It was a strange call from TSM to spend the amount he did on Given considering the remit was to cut the wage bill.

And I hope the midfielder we are in for is a good un!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2013, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Is that the same Howard who done a report on Villa for AVISA in the past about 8 or 9 years ago.

His son, I believe.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on August 27, 2013, 11:36:50 PM

Quote from: TheSandman on August 27, 2013, 04:16:39 PM

Quote from: OCD on August 27, 2013, 03:49:39 PM

Bannan could have gone to Blackburn if he hadn't been so greedy/arrogant about where he thinks he should be playing.

Or was just worried about playing for Britain's least stable club?

Send him to coventry then along with Ireland !!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2013, 11:56:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2013, 10:35:45 PM

Quote from: Rudy Lambert on August 27, 2013, 08:58:29 PM

Quote from: LeeB on August 27, 2013, 08:31:05 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 27, 2013, 02:23:16 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 27, 2013, 02:15:14 PM

I see Ben Foster is out for 12 weeks. Wonder if they might see Shay Given as potential cover for a season...?

Didnt Shay  play for newcastle when Clarke was coach under ruud gullit?
Might be a goer.

He's too old and not good enough for the Villa anymore, so he ticks all the Albion boxes.

Rumour I'm hearing is Forster at Celtic is going to Benfica and Shay Given moving north of the border.

I hope so for him. He was on TS the other night with Keys and Grey, and spoke really well of Villa and what we are trying to do. He sounded the model pro to be honest, and it is not his fault he came in at a time when Guzan was close to being ready. It was a strange call from TSM to spend the amount he did on Given considering the remit was to cut the wage bill.

To be fair to TSM he did reduce the wage bill with Given but extended his contract by a year to compensate, from 4 to 5 years. Nice work if you can get it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 28, 2013, 12:07:39 AM

Villa and Southampton attempting to sign Potro centre-back

By Simon Jones

PUBLISHED: 22:30, 27 August 2013  | UPDATED: 22:30, 27 August
 
Aston Villa and Southampton have launched bids to sign towering Porto defender Abdoulaye Ba on loan.

The Portuguese want a £400,000 loan fee for the 22-year-old centre-back who is a Senegal international.

 Villa have shown interest in the past as have West Ham. Porto though may yet cancel a deal if Chelsea make a late bid for Eiaquim Managala. Villa's Enda Stevens has joined Notts County on loan. 


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2403455/Aston-Villa-Southampton-attempting-sign-Potro-centre-Abdoulaye-Ba.html#ixzz2dDJXjlcH
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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 01:39:49 AM

Every window for about 5 now we have been linked to Ba. Very unlikely you would think, but his size would be useful alongside Okore.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 28, 2013, 09:01:02 AM

It might encourage Notts County to buy him in a month time after having a good look. Think of it like mail order transfer :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 11:48:37 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2013, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Is that the same Howard who done a report on Villa for AVISA in the past about 8 or 9 years ago.

His son, I believe.

They were both involved.  I know Howard well and I have been with him when PF has told him info.  Very reliable.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 12:19:53 PM

Lambert made a worrying comment that we probably cannot do what most people think we can or something to that end. Considering how little we have actually spent, and the new TV deal, you would have thought he would have a decent amount to spend on a couple of players if he fancied them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2013, 12:25:40 PM

The problem with that thing above is he's tweeting about what he was told from boardroom level.

I'd imagine that the way to ensure you keep getting told stuff like that is not to go and tweet about it

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 12:27:32 PM

Pretty sure PF knows that Howard shares anything he gets on Twitter.  All good positive PR for them.  PF will never tell names to him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2013, 12:27:36 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 12:19:53 PM

Lambert made a worrying comment that we probably cannot do what most people think we can or something to that end. Considering how little we have actually spent, and the new TV deal, you would have thought he would have a decent amount to spend on a couple of players if he fancied them.

maybe or he's giving nothing away. I'll still point to the fact that last summer, when our finances were much worse than they are today, that we signed Benteke and agreed a fee with Fulham for Dempsey. Those two alone would have accounted for 13-14m. I'm still of the belief that if the right player is available we would go and try to sign him. But signing him really is a combination of factors, not just the transfer fee or wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2013, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 12:27:32 PM

Pretty sure PF knows that Howard shares anything he gets on Twitter.  All good positive PR for them.  PF will never tell names to him.

it's not positive PR if it doesn't happen though is it? It raises expectations unnecessarily

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on August 28, 2013, 12:40:00 PM

I believe we've done decent business this summer, and considering we've not made a brass farthing from sales we've managed not to get ripped off either. However, you see clubs like Norwich, Southampton and West Ham spending their TV money like it's going out of fashion without losing players either. This means either it's shit or bust for them, or we were much more in the shit after the last half decade or so than we thought.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 28, 2013, 12:40:00 PM

I believe we've done decent business this summer, and considering we've not made a brass farthing from sales we've managed not to get ripped off either. However, you see clubs like Norwich, Southampton and West Ham spending their TV money like it's going out of fashion without losing players either. This means either it's shit or bust for them, or we were much more in the shit after the last half decade or so than we thought.

I fear the latter. I would love to see what he would buy given £20 million tomorrow to get 2-3 players to make a difference.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 28, 2013, 01:04:44 PM

Perhaps he already got 20 millions but he is playing his card close to his chest as he want to make sure we got the right man for right money. Buying players is not like buying a chocolate bar :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 28, 2013, 01:09:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 28, 2013, 12:40:00 PM

I believe we've done decent business this summer, and considering we've not made a brass farthing from sales we've managed not to get ripped off either. However, you see clubs like Norwich, Southampton and West Ham spending their TV money like it's going out of fashion without losing players either. This means either it's shit or bust for them, or we were much more in the shit after the last half decade or so than we thought.

I fear the latter. I would love to see what he would buy given £20 million tomorrow to get 2-3 players to make a difference.

We spent more last summer than we have so far this, plus got the extra TV money and lost more wastage from the wage bill.  To me this says there's money there for the right player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2013, 01:36:23 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 28, 2013, 01:09:17 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: curiousorange on August 28, 2013, 12:40:00 PM

I believe we've done decent business this summer, and considering we've not made a brass farthing from sales we've managed not to get ripped off either. However, you see clubs like Norwich, Southampton and West Ham spending their TV money like it's going out of fashion without losing players either. This means either it's shit or bust for them, or we were much more in the shit after the last half decade or so than we thought.

I fear the latter. I would love to see what he would buy given £20 million tomorrow to get 2-3 players to make a difference.

We spent more last summer than we have so far this, plus got the extra TV money and lost more wastage from the wage bill.  To me this says there's money there for the right player.

The squad numbers are telling, 19 is clearly left out for reasons we all know about but the lack of a 23 is very interesting, I think there's definitely scope for a player and I think the player we all want is the same that the PL wants, most of the links are to players in the right mould and we know that there have been enquiries on some of them so it's not all pure media rumours.  We'll either see no one or an attacking midfielder who can play wide (on at least 1 side) and central, I'm 99% sure we can dismiss any other links.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2013, 02:10:13 PM

I'd like us to pocket Finnbogason now mainly because I think he'd step straight into Benteke's boots next summer and as a Chavski type spoiling tactic to prevent lower level PL teams stealing a march. Won't happen but it would be great if it did.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2013, 02:39:02 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on August 28, 2013, 02:10:13 PM

I'd like us to pocket Finnbogason now mainly because I think he'd step straight into Benteke's boots next summer and as a Chavski type spoiling tactic to prevent lower level PL teams stealing a march. Won't happen but it would be great if it did.

Reports were linking him with Cardiff for just £4million. I'd also like us to take a punt if that's the asking price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2013, 02:41:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2013, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 12:27:32 PM

Pretty sure PF knows that Howard shares anything he gets on Twitter.  All good positive PR for them.  PF will never tell names to him.

it's not positive PR if it doesn't happen though is it? It raises expectations unnecessarily

That's possibly why they're being candid about it, as the message is sufficiently removed from the club that they cannot really be blamed if nothing happens.  Let's face it "Joe Villa Fan Blogs" on the street will not have heard this rumour.

My guess is there's an intension and wherewithall to do business but the club being understandably cautious for the time being, until things are more certain (i.e. he's on the pitch, stretching the shit).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 02:42:31 PM

Think its pretty obvious that we are after one more.  A Wide/AM player to make an impact in the final third.  Reckon we will see Given and Bannan leave by the end of the window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2013, 02:43:29 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 28, 2013, 01:36:23 PM

The squad numbers are telling, 19 is clearly left out for reasons we all know about but the lack of a 23 is very interesting, I think there's definitely scope for a player and I think the player we all want is the same that the PL wants, most of the links are to players in the right mould and we know that there have been enquiries on some of them so it's not all pure media rumours.  We'll either see no one or an attacking midfielder who can play wide (on at least 1 side) and central, I'm 99% sure we can dismiss any other links.

Since Jordan and Beckham, #23 is the new #10 as far as most footballers are concerned.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 28, 2013, 02:53:21 PM

Tom Ince rumour now. Us and Everton after him apparently. I'd be happy with that if the fee is sensible. 5m, maybe throw in Bannan/Fonz

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on August 28, 2013, 02:56:10 PM

Saw Tom Ince interviewed at the weekend and he said something along the lines that he and his family are "firmly settled in the North-West", hence not moving to Cardiff, so if it is between us and Everton I would be less than optimistic.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 28, 2013, 02:57:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2013, 02:41:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2013, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 12:27:32 PM

Pretty sure PF knows that Howard shares anything he gets on Twitter.  All good positive PR for them.  PF will never tell names to him.

it's not positive PR if it doesn't happen though is it? It raises expectations unnecessarily

That's possibly why they're being candid about it, as the message is sufficiently removed from the club that they cannot really be blamed if nothing happens.  Let's face it "Joe Villa Fan Blogs" on the street will not have heard this rumour.

My guess is there's an intension and wherewithall to do business but the club being understandably cautious for the time being, until things are more certain (i.e. he's on the pitch, stretching the shit).

Surely that only happens when a player signs for Small Heath?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2013, 03:02:18 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on August 28, 2013, 02:57:49 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 28, 2013, 02:41:26 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2013, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 12:27:32 PM

Pretty sure PF knows that Howard shares anything he gets on Twitter.  All good positive PR for them.  PF will never tell names to him.

it's not positive PR if it doesn't happen though is it? It raises expectations unnecessarily

That's possibly why they're being candid about it, as the message is sufficiently removed from the club that they cannot really be blamed if nothing happens.  Let's face it "Joe Villa Fan Blogs" on the street will not have heard this rumour.

My guess is there's an intension and wherewithall to do business but the club being understandably cautious for the time being, until things are more certain (i.e. he's on the pitch, stretching the shit).

Surely that only happens when a player signs for Small Heath?

Or if we get them in the cup and he plays wide?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: themossman on August 28, 2013, 04:56:00 PM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 02:42:31 PM

Think its pretty obvious that we are after one more.  A Wide/AM player to make an impact in the final third.  Reckon we will see Given and Bannan leave by the end of the window.

Step forward... a really, really tall striker from league 2.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2013, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2013, 02:56:10 PM

Saw Tom Ince interviewed at the weekend and he said something along the lines that he and his family are "firmly settled in the North-West", hence not moving to Cardiff, so if it is between us and Everton I would be less than optimistic.

That might just have been a polite way of saying "I don't want to sign for Cardiff because I can see them being relegated."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2013, 05:14:54 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 28, 2013, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2013, 02:56:10 PM

Saw Tom Ince interviewed at the weekend and he said something along the lines that he and his family are "firmly settled in the North-West", hence not moving to Cardiff, so if it is between us and Everton I would be less than optimistic.

That might just have been a polite way of saying "I don't want to sign for Cardiff because I can see them being relegated."

Or perhaps a more deep rooted hatred of the welsh, which is understandable

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 28, 2013, 05:19:19 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 28, 2013, 02:53:21 PM

Tom Ince rumour now. Us and Everton after him apparently. I'd be happy with that if the fee is sensible. 5m, maybe throw in Bannan/Fonz

£7m and bannan is what I've just heard - just a rumour at the moment though it seems.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Shrek on August 28, 2013, 05:44:16 PM

Where did you hear that Eastie?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 28, 2013, 05:58:54 PM

Quote from: Shrek on August 28, 2013, 05:44:16 PM

Where did you hear that Eastie?

A workmate sent me a text about the ince rumour so i looked on here and sirfordbatimore had already mentioned it.

Being also  reported on sky and in several websites including the express.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/425228/Everton-to-rival-Aston-Villa-for-Blackpool-s-Tom-Ince

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2013, 06:41:57 PM

He's a decent enough young player, certainly as good as Zaha.

Wouldn't quite be the AM I'm looking for us to get as Ince tends to start off out wide and cut inside so perhaps Lambert is looking to add a bit more width to the team?

Ince reminds me a lot of Ashley Young in the way he plays.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2013, 06:57:54 PM

I know next to nothing about Tom Ince, other than who his father is. I had a quick look on an Everton forum and they don't sound too excited, probably too busy worrying about losing their best players to the Plastics. One Evertonian claims to have seen a most of Blackpool's home games last season and doesn't rate Ince at all, to the extent  that he doesn't think he's worth a fee. There's also issues about Ince's attitude and loyalty.

I'm sure Lambert has done his homework and won't buy just for the sake of bringing in another body. I was impressed with his comments about how he is constantly looking at players, even those outside his current price range. The man certainly seems to have a plan and his very tidy business early in the window seems to back up his comments.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on August 28, 2013, 07:01:04 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 28, 2013, 05:14:54 PM

Quote from: Richard E on August 28, 2013, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: RussellC on August 28, 2013, 02:56:10 PM

Saw Tom Ince interviewed at the weekend and he said something along the lines that he and his family are "firmly settled in the North-West", hence not moving to Cardiff, so if it is between us and Everton I would be less than optimistic.

That might just have been a polite way of saying "I don't want to sign for Cardiff because I can see them being relegated."

Or perhaps a more deep rooted hatred of the welsh, which is understandable

Jealous

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2013, 07:20:38 PM

No truth in the Ince rumours according to Kendrick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2013, 07:30:52 PM

which probably means it's happening

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 08:12:10 PM

Kendrick has been spot on with those NOT coming this summer. So I would doubt there is anything in it. I think he is a quality player that would do really well the way we play, but its obviously not going to happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2013, 10:06:04 PM

Agreed, Kendrick is more ITK than people give him credit for.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2013, 10:08:31 PM

He may not know exactly who is coming, but whenever we have been linked with people he has been quick to say no if they are not, and if he is saying no, I would be fairly confident in that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: DrGonzo on August 29, 2013, 12:09:11 AM

Quote from: omariqy on August 28, 2013, 11:48:37 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2013, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 27, 2013, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 27, 2013, 06:52:07 PM

Sorry chaps... This is what I was referring to earlier....

Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:43 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
Fresh from Directors boardroom Villa are in for one more player before the window closes


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:46 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
@mcnamee_john I am guessing at Fischer John but PF mentioned no names and I wasn't about to press him..


Howard Hodgson (@HowardHodgson) tweeted at 7:49 PM on Sat, Aug 24, 2013:
In answer to questions "who" I wouldn't press the CEO on a name but someone he said "Who would make a difference". #avfc


I believe this Howard Hodgson has business dealing with Villa hence access to the bigwigs. (he certainly has more money than I'll ever have judging by his yacht and cars). You can take it with a pinch of salt but the guy certainly has a reputation that would suffer if he's telling porkies.

Is that the same Howard who done a report on Villa for AVISA in the past about 8 or 9 years ago.

His son, I believe.

They were both involved.  I know Howard well and I have been with him when PF has told him info.  Very reliable.

IKanITK.  Beautiful.  214% gospel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2013, 05:43:39 AM

Lambert hinted in his post match interview we were in for someone. Said he couldn't comment on things that were not done yet and we will see in the next few days.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 29, 2013, 08:22:27 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2013, 05:43:39 AM

Lambert hinted in his post match interview we were in for someone. Said he couldn't comment on things that were not done yet and we will see in the next few days.

Not seen this - where was it reported?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2013, 08:30:18 AM

Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 29, 2013, 08:22:27 AM

Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2013, 05:43:39 AM

Lambert hinted in his post match interview we were in for someone. Said he couldn't comment on things that were not done yet and we will see in the next few days.

Not seen this - where was it reported?

It is on AVTV.

edit: The context is woodward asked him vaguely what he was going to be up to in the break we have. Lambert seemed to quickly think it was a question about transfers or even a specific transfer and then gave the above response. It was interesting because it was a definite change from his usual "we are always looking", "we will see" pat answers.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 29, 2013, 09:12:12 AM

I've just watched that interview, it seems to be the same old "we will see" comment to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tjmill on August 29, 2013, 11:35:24 AM

Can see us going for Ince now all out as fits the type player missing and good age. 7m should get it done. Us or Everton it seems in 2 way fight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 29, 2013, 12:15:36 PM

Is he all that (Ince)?

Dont know much about him - hope he does not have the arrogance of his old man  >:(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 29, 2013, 12:19:37 PM

He is every bit as arrogant as his Dad.  I have a Blackpool ST holding mate who says he is very selfish

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 29, 2013, 12:50:47 PM

Quote from: tjmill on August 29, 2013, 11:35:24 AM

Can see us going for Ince now all out as fits the type player missing and good age. 7m should get it done. Us or Everton it seems in 2 way fight.

Kendrick has said we're not interested, which usually means, we are not interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 29, 2013, 01:10:46 PM

Paul Lambert probably have an agreement with local journalists - if there is any players he is interested - don't publish it and any speculation, he will let them know it not going to happens. Just to make their job easier for both. It would be interesting to see which match Paul will be watching this weekend for one last look.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

BBC saying Bannan to Palace could be on...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2013, 01:22:17 PM

Whenever I hear of Tom Ince I think of Paul Ince and whenever I think of "The Guv'nor" I always wonder what sort of Guv'nor lacks the testicular fortitude to step up and take a spot kick over a centre half in the semi-final of a major competition, for his country?

Which leads me to conclude that Paul Ince is a bit of a knobber.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 29, 2013, 01:25:08 PM

Ince, McManaman - there was quite a few of them who bottled it and left it to Southgate.

As for Tom Ince, i see him as one of these players who's reputation has risen lately, probably out of step with his actual accomplishments, so the overall package of fee and wages wouldn't represent good VFM.  For that reason alone, I can't see Lambert going for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2013, 01:27:52 PM

Kiyo
Kiyotake
Kiyotake's ginger hair

make it so

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Boz on August 29, 2013, 01:47:49 PM

Quote from: MoetVillan on August 29, 2013, 12:19:37 PM

He is every bit as arrogant as his Dad.  I have a Blackpool ST holding mate who says he is very selfish

I think he likes being a big fish in a small pond and didn't he turn down a transfer not long ago because he wanted to stay in Blackpool because he'd recently become a dad

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fuse on August 29, 2013, 02:27:11 PM

I don't want Ince. I think we have youngsters coming through who could have the ability to more thana surpass his - Grealish, Jordan Graham for example.

If we are going to buy another attacking player I think we would get far better value looking abroad - I think Lambert will buy a relative unknown from abroad rather than paying over the odds for soemone who hasnt played at premiership level but is priced as thouhg he has.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2013, 02:50:36 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

BBC saying Bannan to Palace could be on...

As the garden dwarf at Kensington or the corgi walker at Buckingham ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2013, 02:54:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 29, 2013, 02:50:36 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

BBC saying Bannan to Palace could be on...

As the gardener at Kensington or the corgi walker at Buckingham ?

Bannan would ride the Corgi like a horse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2013, 02:57:12 PM

Bannan spotted on the phone to Ian Holloway today.

(http://andreaworld.altervista.org/imageslittlebritain/LittleBritain_1a_6_07.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2013, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2013, 02:54:31 PM

Quote from: eastie on August 29, 2013, 02:50:36 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

BBC saying Bannan to Palace could be on...

As the garden dwarf  at Kensington or the corgi walker at Buckingham ?

Bannan would ride the Corgi like a horse.

Indeed :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on August 29, 2013, 03:36:09 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2013, 02:57:12 PM

Bannan spotted on the phone to Ian Holloway today.

(http://andreaworld.altervista.org/imageslittlebritain/LittleBritain_1a_6_07.jpg)

hahaha!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 29, 2013, 05:20:36 PM

I hope the Tom Ince rumours are wrong, I've seen nothing to suggest he is anything special, another in a long line of English wide players with a bit of pace and 1 trick.  If he has the right attitude (like Gabby and Walcott) he might make it but I'd be surprised if Ince doesn't end up like wright-phillips, doing just enough to score the odd wonder goal and coast on the reputation it brings.

For the fee and wages I'd want someone with a lot more to their game than I've seen from Ince.  As mentioned above, I don't think he's much ahead of Robinson and Grealish (and Graham if he can get back on track after his injury).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: claretandbeer on August 29, 2013, 05:21:57 PM

Prior to the Rotherham game I was happy with the squad.After the game and especially the quality shown in the second half,I'm even happier but I would be delighted if we could get a hard working,high quality wide or attacking midfield player. Such an acquisition could be similar to signing Cropley ,turning a good side into a very good one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2013, 06:25:11 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 29, 2013, 05:20:36 PM

I hope the Tom Ince rumours are wrong, I've seen nothing to suggest he is anything special, another in a long line of English wide players with a bit of pace and 1 trick.  If he has the right attitude (like Gabby and Walcott) he might make it but I'd be surprised if Ince doesn't end up like wright-phillips, doing just enough to score the odd wonder goal and coast on the reputation it brings.

For the fee and wages I'd want someone with a lot more to their game than I've seen from Ince.  As mentioned above, I don't think he's much ahead of Robinson and Grealish (and Graham if he can get back on track after his injury).

See I like Ince, I think he would compliment our wide forward pool really well, and give us pace which is vital. Good player, and retaining an English presence in the side I think is a positive thing too as much as I love some of the players we have bought. Luna especially, who I am now fairly sure is an Owl over Gibbon man.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 29, 2013, 06:36:00 PM

Quote from: Des Little on August 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM

BBC saying Bannan to Palace could be on...

Palace and Newcastle are getting desperate. Not sure they will get to the stage of Stephen Ireland desperate, but we can hope. Let's face it, if Holloway or Kinnear won't sign him, nobody will.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 29, 2013, 06:44:16 PM

Sako from Wolves could be a good signing at the right price.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2013, 08:04:15 PM

Nice that Lambert can focus fully on the window between now and when it finishes unlike every other club who have another game to distract them at the weekend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Small Rodent on August 29, 2013, 08:17:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 29, 2013, 08:04:15 PM

Nice that Lambert can focus fully on the window between now and when it finishes unlike every other club who have another game to distract them at the weekend.

Let us just cross our fingers and hope, hope, hope, that the fax machine has enough toner and paper before the window SLAMS SHUT!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2013, 08:33:46 PM

Quote from: Small Rodent on August 29, 2013, 08:17:39 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 29, 2013, 08:04:15 PM

Nice that Lambert can focus fully on the window between now and when it finishes unlike every other club who have another game to distract them at the weekend.

Let us just cross our fingers and hope, hope, hope, that the fax machine has enough toner and paper before the window SLAMS SHUT!

I want a ticker above it with a running total of the millions spent/sold. Lambert feverishly watching it go up and up as a helicopter makes its way from Heathrow containing the latest mega signing!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2013, 08:55:07 PM

Palace is about the best move Bannan could hope for. Holloway was fond of him after his loan spell. He gets to stay in the Premiership (for a season at least) and it's basically a last stab at trying to establish himself as a Premier League quality player. I hope he gets the move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: charlie659 on August 30, 2013, 05:19:22 AM

Shay Given linked with Liverpool this morning, a potential 50k per week freed up. Fingers crossed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on August 30, 2013, 05:21:27 AM

The Guardian reporting the Given story: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/29/liverpool-brendan-rodgers-shay-given

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 30, 2013, 09:41:16 AM

Let's get him gone ASAP.  Put Ireland in the boot and Bannan in the ashtray.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 10:53:28 AM

Is Given going to want to go somewhere else he'll be sat on the bench?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2013, 10:55:30 AM

You'd have thought the stripeyfilth would have taken him until Foster was fit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 11:03:58 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 10:53:28 AM

Is Given going to want to go somewhere else he'll be sat on the bench?

I suppose it could be seen as a step up from his situation at the moment. He's not even first reserve with us, and is being treated as a bit of an outcast, training with the kids. At least he'll be wanted there in some capacity. He knows that in a couple of days he'll probably be stuck in his current unsatisfactory position for another four months at least, so that might be playing on his mind a bit. Throw in having his livelihood guaranteed for a bit longer without his employer paying him begrudgingly and it doesn't seem like such a bad move.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: silhillvilla on August 30, 2013, 11:05:45 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 10:53:28 AM

Is Given going to want to go somewhere else he'll be sat on the bench?

Quite possibly yes. He's not even second choice with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2013, 12:26:34 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 10:53:28 AM

Is Given going to want to go somewhere else he'll be sat on the bench?

Liverpool is a pretty huge club who look potentially like they're on an upward curve again. Second choice there with a keeper ahead of him who's had his share of erratic moments might seem like a good gamble for Shay to take. He'll not have to take a pay cut and he'll get 2-3 years there. He may fancy he could take his chance when he gets it. It seems like Rodgers wants an experienced back up in case of injury or perhaps in case Mignolet has another game akin to the 6-1 against us last season. He was all over the place.

In all honesty I don't know why Arsene doesn't get him for 1-2 years as his number 1. He's better than Szcezeny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on August 30, 2013, 12:35:16 PM

Arsene was put off goalkeepers from these islands by Richard Wright. He prefers to have two or three foreign keepers competing for the number one slot. He keeps the competition fair by making sure none of them are particularly great.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on August 30, 2013, 01:19:13 PM

Liverpool were a big club.  In fact they were a Sky4 club.  Now they are fighting for sixth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on August 30, 2013, 02:04:24 PM

Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2013, 12:26:34 PM

In all honesty I don't know why Arsene doesn't get him for 1-2 years as his number 1. He's better than Szcezeny.

I agree, but these sort of clever short term fixes with established players, especially British ones, are Wenger's blindspot.  It's almost as if he does it he's admitting his present approach and scouting young foreign players isn't working.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 02:27:31 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

That's two people I'm now aware of who ever called Clubcall. The other bloke's a nose.

Why d'ya do it Eamonn?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

I'm alright for a bit. I tipped out later than usual this morning.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2013, 02:53:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

I'm alright for a bit. I tipped out later than usual this morning.

The mere mention of Kaka sends American mates of mine into fits of laughter.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2013, 03:21:26 PM

Apparantley, the 16 year old striker we signed from Torquay earlier this summer has gone back home because he was homesick.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on August 30, 2013, 03:55:17 PM

Ince wants Ireland AND Hutton on loan.  He's clearly more insane than I had him down to be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 03:57:36 PM

Got to be a deal in there for Ince. You have them, we pay half their wages and you give us your son. Have Bannan too. Ahhh go on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2013, 03:59:10 PM

We'll even refer to Ince as 'The Guv'nor' in our press release if he goes through with the deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2013, 04:03:03 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 03:57:36 PM

Got to be a deal in there for Ince. You have them, we pay half their wages and you give us your son. Have Bannan too. Ahhh go on.

Would make sense.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2013, 04:05:42 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2013, 04:03:03 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 03:57:36 PM

Got to be a deal in there for Ince. You have them, we pay half their wages and you give us your son. Have Bannan too. Ahhh go on.

Would make sense.

not for poor blackpool

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr woo on August 30, 2013, 04:49:26 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 30, 2013, 02:53:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

I'm alright for a bit. I tipped out later than usual this morning.

The mere mention of Kaka sends American mates of mine into fits of laughter.

I always hoped serial footballer-dating nut job Ulrika Jonnson would meet and marry him. You live in hope.

 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 30, 2013, 05:00:05 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 30, 2013, 04:49:26 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 30, 2013, 02:53:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

I'm alright for a bit. I tipped out later than usual this morning.

The mere mention of Kaka sends American mates of mine into fits of laughter.

I always hoped serial footballer-dating nut job Ulrika Jonnson would meet and marry him. You live in hope.

 

Ace!! Ha Ha!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 02:27:31 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

That's two people I'm now aware of who ever called Clubcall. The other bloke's a nose.

Why d'ya do it Eamonn?

I was 14, it was a long summer without football and internet was dial-up and slow. Got rumbled when the parents requested an itemised phone bill after seeing how high it was. My brother got done for ringing those dodgy chat-lines a couple of years later. My mother was very upset. "Why can't you be obsessed with a fucking football team like your brother instead of this filth?".

Chico Hamilton has also used these phonelines (Clubcall, not Sexchat, though I'l leave him to confirm/refute that) but I think he said he was crafty enough to do it at work when his boss went for a slash.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2013, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: stubbsyandy on August 30, 2013, 05:00:05 PM

Quote from: mr woo on August 30, 2013, 04:49:26 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on August 30, 2013, 02:53:30 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2013, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 02:35:44 PM

Kaka anyone?

I'm alright for a bit. I tipped out later than usual this morning.

The mere mention of Kaka sends American mates of mine into fits of laughter.

I always hoped serial footballer-dating nut job Ulrika Jonnson would meet and marry him. You live in hope.

 

Ace!! Ha Ha!

Took me a while that one. But concur, a good one.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2013, 05:42:42 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 02:27:31 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

That's two people I'm now aware of who ever called Clubcall. The other bloke's a nose.

Why d'ya do it Eamonn?

I was 14, it was a long summer without football and internet was dial-up and slow. Got rumbled when the parents requested an itemised phone bill after seeing how high it was. My brother got done for ringing those dodgy chat-lines a couple of years later. My mother was very upset. "Why can't you be obsessed with a fucking football team like your brother instead of this filth?".

Chico Hamilton has also used these phonelines (Clubcall, not Sexchat, though I'l leave him to confirm/refute that) but I think he said he was crafty enough to do it at work when his boss went for a slash.

Oh dear! I had the same, think it was just as Big Ron took over. My folks bring it up if anybody talks about football - I had to work picking lettuces for a whole summer to pay for it! (The lettuce growers son was called Michael Jackson as an aside)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2013, 05:54:20 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 30, 2013, 05:42:42 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 02:27:31 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

That's two people I'm now aware of who ever called Clubcall. The other bloke's a nose.

Why d'ya do it Eamonn?

I was 14, it was a long summer without football and internet was dial-up and slow. Got rumbled when the parents requested an itemised phone bill after seeing how high it was. My brother got done for ringing those dodgy chat-lines a couple of years later. My mother was very upset. "Why can't you be obsessed with a fucking football team like your brother instead of this filth?".

Chico Hamilton has also used these phonelines (Clubcall, not Sexchat, though I'l leave him to confirm/refute that) but I think he said he was crafty enough to do it at work when his boss went for a slash.

Oh dear! I had the same, think it was just as Big Ron took over. My folks bring it up if anybody talks about football - I had to work picking lettuces for a whole summer to pay for it! (The lettuce growers son was called Michael Jackson as an aside)

Did he say to his son every morning, 'Don't stop till you get enough'?

I'll get me coat.......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:09:30 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2013, 05:54:20 PM

Quote from: Malandro on August 30, 2013, 05:42:42 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 02:27:31 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 02:01:20 PM

Bannan, Bent and Given all being nudged off the payroll. The time is nigh to "swoop" for a "marquee" signing who's been there and done it. If I ring Villa Clubcall I expect us to be battling it out for well-travelled ace Hamilton Ricard like last time I called *shudder*

That's two people I'm now aware of who ever called Clubcall. The other bloke's a nose.

Why d'ya do it Eamonn?

I was 14, it was a long summer without football and internet was dial-up and slow. Got rumbled when the parents requested an itemised phone bill after seeing how high it was. My brother got done for ringing those dodgy chat-lines a couple of years later. My mother was very upset. "Why can't you be obsessed with a fucking football team like your brother instead of this filth?".

Chico Hamilton has also used these phonelines (Clubcall, not Sexchat, though I'l leave him to confirm/refute that) but I think he said he was crafty enough to do it at work when his boss went for a slash.

Oh dear! I had the same, think it was just as Big Ron took over. My folks bring it up if anybody talks about football - I had to work picking lettuces for a whole summer to pay for it! (The lettuce growers son was called Michael Jackson as an aside)

Did he say to his son every morning, 'Don't stop till you get enough'?

I'll get me coat.......

No, he just strangely kept suggesting the kid is not my son...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:16:26 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

I think I would smile for a week at that. I love Jimmy. I love our current squad. The fusion of that love would be a beautiful thing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2013, 06:36:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:16:26 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

I think I would smile for a week at that. I love Jimmy. I love our current squad. The fusion of that love would be a beautiful thing.

Like Delphi but with added goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 07:17:38 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2013, 03:21:26 PM

Apparantley, the 16 year old striker we signed from Torquay earlier this summer has gone back home because he was homesick.

Yeah I can fully understand that. Clampy you should get out to Torquay the ENGLISH RIVIERA!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2013, 07:20:17 PM

Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2013, 06:36:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:16:26 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

I think I would smile for a week at that. I love Jimmy. I love our current squad. The fusion of that love would be a beautiful thing.

Like Delphi but with added goals.

What? You can't compare a hud carrier like Milner to the fast developing master mason Delph!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2013, 07:33:08 PM

No news then?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 09:17:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:16:26 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

I think I would smile for a week at that. I love Jimmy. I love our current squad. The fusion of that love would be a beautiful thing.

Jimmy back on loan, would be just perfect.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 30, 2013, 09:28:17 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 09:17:42 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2013, 06:16:26 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 06:14:40 PM

What about Milner on-loan?

I think I would smile for a week at that. I love Jimmy. I love our current squad. The fusion of that love would be a beautiful thing.

Jimmy back on loan, would be just perfect.

I love Milly but it ain't gonna happen.

We'll end up with some wonderkid-next-Messi from the Tamworth Sunday League...
and he'll be running rings round Lampard and Silva by Christmas!
UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

Is Milner available on loan, or rumoured to be?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2013, 10:32:55 PM

Nope

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 10:39:20 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

Is Milner available on loan, or rumoured to be?

The Citeh fans at work, have speculated that he could be available. Their preferred to on the right is now Navas, and Nasri. He won't get a game in the middle behind Fernandinho and Toure. Gets you thinking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2013, 10:44:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 10:39:20 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

Is Milner available on loan, or rumoured to be?

The Citeh fans at work, have speculated that he could be available. Their preferred to on the right is now Navas, and Nasri. He won't get a game in the middle behind Fernandinho and Toure. Gets you thinking.

Maybe Pellegrini is bright enough to realise that he's a great central midfielder, not a mediocre winger. They seem very keen to send Barry to Everton.

That would leave the two first-choice, plus the perma-injured Rodwell and Garcia who they seem to think is a back-up central defender.

I'd expect Milner to be to the go-to central midfielder if either Fernandinho or Toure don't play.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 10:52:47 PM

Quote from: Dave on August 30, 2013, 10:44:40 PM

Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2013, 10:39:20 PM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

Is Milner available on loan, or rumoured to be?

The Citeh fans at work, have speculated that he could be available. Their preferred to on the right is now Navas, and Nasri. He won't get a game in the middle behind Fernandinho and Toure. Gets you thinking.

Maybe Pellegrini is bright enough to realise that he's a great central midfielder, not a mediocre winger. They seem very keen to send Barry to Everton.

That would leave the two first-choice, plus the perma-injured Rodwell and Garcia who they seem to think is a back-up central defender.

I'd expect Milner to be to the go-to central midfielder if either Fernandinho or Toure don't play.

You would think. Though the citeh fans at work don't.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM

Delph is better. Let's move on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 11:33:18 PM

I think we're the only fans in the country who know how good he is.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2013, 12:24:09 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 11:33:18 PM

I think we're the only fans in the country who know how good he is.

Milner on loan and on the right side of our three man midfield would be good  (giving us a midfield trio of Delph, Westwood, Milner) , but I just can't see it happening.  Also, I'm not really keen on the idea of us giving Manchester City players some game time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2013, 12:32:10 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 11:33:18 PM

I think we're the only fans in the country who know how good he is.

This is absolutely spot on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on August 31, 2013, 12:33:56 AM

Quote from: eamonn on August 30, 2013, 11:21:57 PM

Delph is better. Let's move on.

+93.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 31, 2013, 12:58:03 AM

I would take Milner like a shot, he can play that hole behind benteke and will score his fair share IMO. Great team player, but adds a little more than kea/sylla/nzog who play in that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2013, 01:01:05 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2013, 12:32:10 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2013, 11:33:18 PM

I think we're the only fans in the country who know how good he is.

This is absolutely spot on.

You'd think someone else would be able to work out where to play him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 31, 2013, 01:07:39 AM

The fact so many good managers keep him in their team fro improtant games show he is admired. I just think in the advanced midfield role, he could be similar to Lampard

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2013, 01:32:39 AM

Some french tweeterer has said Boubedouz fella has been left out of their squad this weekend for some reason. Maybe we are still after him. Still being linked with Ba from Porto on loan too. Interesting times ahead I am sure.

What time do the lights go out for Big Jim on Monday?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 31, 2013, 01:58:39 AM

Think I heard 11pm ozzjim

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 01:59:46 AM

According to the Beeb it shuts at 11pm.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2013, 02:04:24 AM

Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 01:59:46 AM

According to the Beeb it shuts at 11pm.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/transfers)

Thanks both. So 5pm friday for Arsenal then.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villan from luton on August 31, 2013, 02:07:12 AM

ozzyjim, it shut in May for Arsenal

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

We should not sign any players on loan. Whether they are developing payers or on their way out it only helps the other club involved. Aston Villa is not there to help out our rivals.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2013, 09:35:51 AM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

We should not sign any players on loan. Whether they are developing payers or on their way out it only helps the other club involved. Aston Villa is not there to help out our rivals.

Man City are not currently our rivals.  And I cannot see how us having Milner on loan would help fulham, everton, southampton etc.
I think we massively under use the loan system.  It's our chance to get players we could never afford to play at the club.  Look at Lukaku at WBA for example.  He probably lifted them 2 or 3 positions in the league last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2013, 09:36:15 AM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

We should not sign any players on loan. Whether they are developing payers or on their way out it only helps the other club involved.

We may well have been relegated had we not signed Robbie Keane on loan two years ago.

Which club apart from us did that help?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:41:53 AM

Keane is an exception. Generally loaning a player mean we give a developing player more game time and help his club (spurs and Walker) or  reduce the wage burden for a rival.
Man city play in the same league as us so they are our rivals. We are not there to help them out because they have a massive overhead.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2013, 09:44:46 AM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:41:53 AM

Man city play in the same league as us so they are our rivals. We are not there to help them out because they have a massive overhead.

I'm pretty sure that Man City's accountants aren't having any sleepless nights about the size of their wage bill.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:47:46 AM

How do you know? Accountants always have sleepless nights to my knowledge!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2013, 10:00:23 AM

I think loans are fine as long if there's a chance that you may be able to keep the player in question. Lukaku did immensely well for the Stripeyfilth last season but he was never going to sign for them and now they're relying on a 34 year old sulky Frenchman to fill his boots.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on August 31, 2013, 10:19:20 AM

another day praying for the return of James Milner?   :(

Ashley Young, lets explore the non possibility of getting him back too.

In all seriousness I like Milner, but I'd rather Sylla got his chance to show what he's made of.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2013, 10:24:00 AM

Milner's not really a creative player though. He's capable of creative things and makes and scores his fair share, but he's essentially a bustler and a labourer, and I'd rather stick with the ones we've got and get one more midfielder - the creative one that we don't already have at that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

We won't be doing Man City any favours by taking Milner on loan if they don't really want him any more, other than by paying some of his wages that is!

Boudebouz and Ba in by Monday please Mr Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on August 31, 2013, 10:55:02 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2013, 09:35:51 AM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

We should not sign any players on loan. Whether they are developing payers or on their way out it only helps the other club involved. Aston Villa is not there to help out our rivals.

Man City are not currently our rivals.  And I cannot see how us having Milner on loan would help fulham, everton, southampton etc.
I think we massively under use the loan system.  It's our chance to get players we could never afford to play at the club.  Look at Lukaku at WBA for example.  He probably lifted them 2 or 3 positions in the league last year.

Really? I can't stand us loaning players, it's not how I see the status of my club at all. I have absolutely no desire to develop other teams' players for them

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2013, 11:14:48 AM

If we hadn't taken Milner on loan the first time we may well have never signed him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2013, 11:59:46 AM

Quote from: richard moore on August 31, 2013, 10:55:02 AM

Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2013, 09:35:51 AM

Quote from: olaftab on August 31, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

We should not sign any players on loan. Whether they are developing payers or on their way out it only helps the other club involved. Aston Villa is not there to help out our rivals.

Man City are not currently our rivals.  And I cannot see how us having Milner on loan would help fulham, everton, southampton etc.
I think we massively under use the loan system.  It's our chance to get players we could never afford to play at the club.  Look at Lukaku at WBA for example.  He probably lifted them 2 or 3 positions in the league last year.

Really? I can't stand us loaning players, it's not how I see the status of my club at all. I have absolutely no desire to develop other teams' players for them

Really. In an ideal world it would but I'm increasingly seeing players and commodities these days or pieces of plant.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2013, 12:08:15 PM

Loans have a place, but the terms have to be right.  Robbie Keane was great, he added guile and impetus at the right time and helped us get a few points that kept us out of danger, however we could've done with him being with us a bit longer.

Walker was excellent, he was a key part of us becoming a very exciting teams in the 2nd half of that season, but not agreeing a permanent fee that we could trigger at any point in the loan was a huge mistake.

So both had positives and negatives, largely because we allowed the other team to have the better part of the deal.

Loan of younger players - add in a fee to trigger a permanent transfer, if they do well you trigger it and have continuity, you won't get everyone to agree but you should always try to get it in there.  For older players try to get in a clause to extend the loan if things are going well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2013, 12:13:54 PM

Kyle Walker is a good example Paul E. He went back to his parent club and we ended up without a right back so ended up buying Alan Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 31, 2013, 12:41:05 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2013, 12:13:54 PM

Kyle Walker is a good example Paul E. He went back to his parent club and we ended up without a right back so ended up buying Alan Hutton.

We still got 5 good months out of Walker at the time. That we bought Hutton was just a case of poor judgement on TSM's part.

I'm somewhere in the middle with loans. If we could get a Milner then that's fine. He's a quality player. You know what you're getting and in normal circumstances, at the moment, we couldn't afford to buy him outright. He doesn't just improve our squad, he improves our first 11. If that's just for one season then so be it. A year down the line Sylla, Westy and Delph may have kicked up a level.
Milners energy, drive, goals, stamina in CM would be more than useful.

For every Robbie Keane there's a Simon Dawkins. For every Kyle Walker there's a Bardsley. If you can get genuine quality on loan, then I don't see the problem. If you get someone who's bobbins or just to make up the numbers, there's no point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 12:46:42 PM

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2013, 01:07:00 PM

I don't see Lambert bringing loans in: he's trying to develop a group of young players that will grow and improve together. Loanees don't really help that process.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2013, 01:09:27 PM

Quote from: Clampy on August 31, 2013, 12:13:54 PM

Kyle Walker is a good example Paul E. He went back to his parent club and we ended up without a right back so ended up buying Alan Hutton.

Ending up with Hutton was not a symptom of the loan system though in my opinion. Having walker for half a year should have (possibly did) given us time to scout a replacement. Houllier got ill and we know the rest.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on August 31, 2013, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 12:46:42 PM

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

It was worse than that - we developed a rival's player for them. Having said that we were in real need at the time so I think it was justified. It's just that we've rightly adopted a long-term approach so we shouldn't be looking at loan deals. It would just hamper the development of one of our own players.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2013, 02:04:47 PM

Bugger it, we should sign Mateo Kovacic. Creative midfielder in every way, young, hard working, Inter have no money and he was great on my Football Manager game for Villa. Make it happen Lambo, you know you want to.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 31, 2013, 03:07:39 PM

Would you think Mata of Chelsea be a good signing for our team ? would he fit in our system and give us the solution to midfield / striker linkup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 31, 2013, 03:13:24 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 31, 2013, 03:07:39 PM

Would you think Mata of Chelsea be a good signing for our team ? would he fit in our system and give us the solution to midfield / striker linkup.

He wouldn't fit into our pay structure/wages system that's for sure!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on August 31, 2013, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 31, 2013, 03:13:24 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 31, 2013, 03:07:39 PM

Would you think Mata of Chelsea be a good signing for our team ? would he fit in our system and give us the solution to midfield / striker linkup.

He wouldn't fit into our pay structure/wages system that's for sure!

He also wouldn't come here. He'd rightfully expect to play for a champions league club, or at least a club with a sniff of being a CL club next season and the ability to pay him a truck load.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 31, 2013, 05:42:15 PM

Yes but playing for Spain in the world cup might be more important and it could be last chance to win another world cup with the golden generation getting older. But it all depends on player's priority

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2013, 05:50:39 PM

Mata is one of the best ten players in the league. He'll have his pick of Champions/Europa League teams if Chelsea are daft enough to sell/loan him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2013, 05:53:09 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2013, 05:50:39 PM

Mata is one of the best ten players in the league. He'll have his pick of Champions/Europa League teams if Chelsea are daft enough to sell/loan him.

Indeed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on August 31, 2013, 05:54:45 PM

And we couldnt afford to pay half his £150,000 pw wages

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on August 31, 2013, 05:59:31 PM

Mata will go to one of the CL-clubs without a doubt, would walk into almost any other team. If I'd be Wenger, I'd try to get him asap.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2013, 06:49:02 PM

Bit surprised we didn't bid for Redmond.....good goal today. Puncheon looks good as an AM in tonight's game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 31, 2013, 06:52:01 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2013, 05:53:09 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2013, 05:50:39 PM

Mata is one of the best ten players in the league. He'll have his pick of Champions/Europa League teams if Chelsea are daft enough to sell/loan him.

Indeed.

Yes , couldn't agree more ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2013, 06:52:43 PM

Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 12:46:42 PM

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

Keane and Walker were the same - a short-term solution to a problem.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2013, 07:12:30 PM

They solved a problem for us but we also helped develop a player for Spurs with them getting an added bonus of him being off their wage-bill for a few months.

With Keane, a player  in the latter stages of his career playing in an inferior league on the other side of the world, we gave him top-level games that he craved during the off-season of his parent club. Galaxy were reluctant if memory serves, preferring him to rest before their season begun once again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2013, 07:13:21 PM

I hope we strengthen more.

I'm far from convinced that the additions we've made so far will be enough to improve us significantly. That's not to say I've decided they're all shit, because I haven't, I like the look of a number of them, but I'd like to see us add more options.

I think we're going to struggle creatively without a decent CAM, for example..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2013, 07:14:52 PM

Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2013, 07:12:30 PM

They solved a problem for us but we also helped develop a player for Spurs with them getting an added bonus of him being off their wage-bill for a few months.

Isn't that basically the loan system in a nutshell, though?

I was glad we had Walker for that two thirds of a season. He was really good, he strengthened us. The alternative was sticking with what we had.

I do think, though, that the loan system needs change. For starters, no more PL clubs lending players to other PL clubs. Then there's the way Chelsea will buy half the talent in Europe, then lend them out year after year.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2013, 07:14:55 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2013, 07:13:21 PM

I hope we strengthen more.

I'm far from convinced that the additions we've made so far will be enough to improve us significantly. That's not to say I've decided they're all shit, because I haven't, I like the look of a number of them, but I'd like to see us add more options.

I think we're going to struggle creatively without a decent CAM, for example..

I think we need a creative addition definitely. I really hope we have something decent in the pipeline.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on August 31, 2013, 07:17:21 PM

I would like an attacking midfielder but I'm not  expecting it , if it happens great , if not i think we have a squad capable of at least a top 10 finish as we are .
Maybe lambert will sit on the money and see what the situation is in January .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2013, 07:20:11 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2013, 06:52:43 PM

Quote from: Karlos96 on August 31, 2013, 12:46:42 PM

Some loans are ok for example Robbie Keane.  I don't like ones like Walker because we were basically trying him out for Spurs so they could see if he was any good or not.

Keane and Walker were the same - a short-term solution to a problem.

With the Walker deal, there was talk initially of it being made permanent and Walker being very happy with that.  He did seem to fit right in from the get go.

He was signed by Tottingham with Naughton, around the time we signed Delph in 2009. And at the time he was out on loan at QPR and then us in 2010/11, he was fourth choice behind Corluka, Naughton and Hutton. 

But his form with us earned him England recognition within about a month, so any chance of a permanent deal pretty much bit the dust then. That's the chance you take with loans for younger, promising players.   

A shame, but I don't have an issue with us doing a deal like that if there is some prospect of a permanent offer.  If we are just developing other clubs players -and that's clear from the outset-  that's where I'd have concerns.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2013, 07:46:40 PM

I just don't think an established premier league club should be entering into loans from another established premier league club with no sell on clause unless it's an emergency loan for injury cover or similar.  That said I'd prefer it to be banned again anyway.

I'd also like to see a law change around the number of players you can have out on loan.  I think the Chelsea situation (buying players and loaning them out immediately for over a year in a lot of cases) is terrible for the long term health of the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2013, 07:48:47 PM

Quote from: paul_e on August 31, 2013, 07:46:40 PM

I just don't think an established premier league club should be entering into loans from another established premier league club with no sell on clause unless it's an emergency loan for injury cover or similar.  That said I'd prefer it to be banned again anyway.

I'd also like to see a law change around the number of players you can have out on loan.  I think the Chelsea situation (buying players and loaning them out immediately for over a year in a lot of cases) is terrible for the long term health of the game.

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2013, 07:53:45 PM

I agree, 2 easy changes to the laws that would be hugely beneficial to the league.

As part of number 2 you'd have to careful to remove loopholes allowing players to be signed but not actually move until a later date.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 31, 2013, 07:58:46 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2013, 07:48:47 PM

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

Agreed. With the money that's going around the premier league these days, the idea that any team needs to loan a player seems ridiculous to me

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holtemeister on August 31, 2013, 08:25:21 PM

Quote

I think a) players should only be allowed to be loaned to clubs at a lower level and b) new signings shouldn't be allowed to be loaned in the same transfer window.

Absolutely agree, loans should never happen between clubs in the same league or higher

That would deter although never prevent stockpiling

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2013, 08:53:38 PM

Loans are not the solution - simply because they don't fit in with the current Lambert project ( he's trying to develop a group of young players that will grow and improve together. Loanees don't really fit into that process).

The challenge is this: who out there is young, inspiring and relatively inexpensive? - I don't know who he'll come up with, but I suspect Lambert will do similar to last season and bring in someone last-minute, with a reasonable price tag.

If he's offloaded Given, Ireland, Hutton and Bannan on loan or for good, that will clearly aid the move for someone else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2013, 10:18:53 PM

I think we should adopt a strict loan policy - loan good players in and our shit out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 12:07:27 AM

Quote from: Malandro on August 31, 2013, 10:18:53 PM

I think we should adopt a strict loan policy - loan good players in and our shit out.

Stick a bag over Stephen Ireland's head, bundle him into the back of a van, give him a few kicks while he's there, take him to St Andrews, kick him out the van at their main entrance, depart at high speed, wheels squealing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 12:28:16 AM

Mirror think he will end up at Boro. Please god. After taking Ugo and Southgate, ie good players, the least they could do is have Ireland to make up for their cheek back then!

Pete Colley reckons we will get an attacking mid if the finance makes sense. Strange, and maybe it will be a bigger signing if that is the case. I hope so, think we are a good quality attacking mid from having had a very good window.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on September 01, 2013, 12:33:44 AM

So we want an attacking midfielder and it could be quite a big signing. Kaka wants to leave Real Madrid in this window and has said he wants to stay in Europe. I might get a head start on everyone else and get the name printed on a shirt tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 12:35:36 AM

I am putting 2 and 2 and getting 5 on the big signing bit from the finances comment in fairness.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2013, 01:21:44 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 12:28:16 AM

Mirror think he will end up at Boro. Please god. After taking Ugo and Southgate, ie good players, the least they could do is have Ireland to make up for their cheek back then!

Pete Colley reckons we will get an attacking mid if the finance makes sense. Strange, and maybe it will be a bigger signing if that is the case. I hope so, think we are a good quality attacking mid from having had a very good window.

I think it colud be argued that we have had that already really.  We have built on a decent second half of last season by adding starters in the two positions we  clearly needed (CB and LB) and have increased the overall strengh of the squad.  When you consider we have done all that for less money than West Ham paid for Andy Carroll then I think it has been a good few months.  I agree about the attacking midfielder, but I am not too hopeful at this point. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2013, 01:23:41 AM

I'm really confident we'll see another signing now, I think it'll be a higher profile than we've seen so far as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 03:09:40 AM

Anyone calling it? I reckon some silky-skilled young lad in Germany or Italy and that Lambert is at a game there this weekend.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on September 01, 2013, 03:35:08 AM

or we are waiting for bale to real madrid to take one off there hands. or possibly bale to real will spark benzema to arsenal which in turn prompts a merry go round with players flying all over the shop with us ending up with someone like esswien or diego

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 03:47:29 AM

I think it was on MOTD where they mentioned that once Bale goes there will be a £500m spending frenzy. Quite why clubs are waiting for Bale to go is beyond me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holy Trinity on September 01, 2013, 04:22:21 AM

Well just a guess but bales move pushs Ronaldo forward freeing up benzema to arsenal. But leaves real short upfront so they go to lest say suarez liverpool  then go for kissling given and meyer. Leaving there 3 clubs needing replacements. Well mayne not us but levekusen and munchen would.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2013, 04:38:25 AM

Hmm Palace just signed Ki (poor mans Bannan) on loan. Maybe they wont need Bannan after all?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 04:41:49 AM

Gollum sounded pretty desperate for players so maybe he will realise where there is a RB and a couple of midfielders he can have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2013, 04:49:45 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 04:41:49 AM

Gollum sounded pretty desperate for players so maybe he will realise where there is a RB and a couple of midfielders he can have.

He is always on the look out for a cheeky low bid or a tidy loan move from a big club. We could help him out. They may not be a good fit for us as we try and push up the table but for sure they could chip in to help Manchester United fight relegation this season. Worth a punt for the bloke, we would be doing him a favour really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on September 01, 2013, 06:45:23 AM

I'm not expecting any more incomings though I'd love a creative central midfielder. I wouldn't get too worried about the lack of creativity and goal threat in tight games - there's clearly a pattern across the league so far. But if we play 433, none of our fwds are the type to pick a pass. KEA might be able to do it here and there and Westwood was showing signs of it last season. Tonev and Bacuna don't look that sort of player.

A Cabaye type player would be wonderful. Someone who won't go walkabout in the middle like N'Zogbia, but who can create chances. Funny that this time last year we were wondering if bannan or Ireland might be that player!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2013, 07:58:49 AM

I'd rather have a bit of steel in midfield than a creative player right now, I think we look very dangerous going forward.
Having said that, I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't sign anybody, think our squad is pretty good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2013, 08:15:09 AM

we should do a 2 min advert on Sky showing Ireland's Superman video. Maybe another sucker would fall for it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:18:36 AM

Alan Nixon from the mirror-

Quote

By Alan Nixon | 31/08/13 

Barry Bannan is being offered a way out of Aston Villa by Crystal Palace boss Ian Holloway, writes Tom Hopkinson.

The Scot has been told to find another club, and Holloway rejected a move for the midfielder, 23, earlier in the summer.

But with the Eagles needing reinforcements, Holloway has decided to press ahead, although Hull and Spaniards Malaga are also interested.

Bannan's exit could be art of a midfield clear-out at the Villa Park club.

Middlesbrough are targeting Stephen Ireland, after Everton turned down the chance to sign him, writes Dean Jones.

The board at Goodison Park indicated they would fund a deal for the Republic of Ireland international, 27.

But new boss Roberto Martinez is not interested – so Championship Boro are set to offer a loan move that will allow him to play regular first-team football.

Villa boss Paul Lambert will also let Marc Albrighton, 23, go out on loan to get his career going, writes Alan Nixon.

The winger is prepared to drop into the Championship and a deal may happen by Monday night or when the ‘emergency’ market opens later in the month.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 01, 2013, 08:50:42 AM

Hopefully we'll have takers for Ireland then.

For Bannan, Palace is probably the best move he'll get.

Alby out on loan is a sensible idea too. Give him until Jan to get a run of games somewhere. If we can use him after that then so be it, if not, ship him out permanently in the summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2013, 09:54:22 AM

It's nice to be in a position where we don't desperately need players but any that do come in are a bonus. As for Albrighton, I think a loan might be a good idea but I wouldn't like to be writing him off just yet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2013, 11:24:57 AM

Gary Gardner has just started to follow Tom Ince on twitter! ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on September 01, 2013, 11:27:30 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 04:41:49 AM

Gollum sounded pretty desperate for players so maybe he will realise where there is a RB and a couple of midfielders he can have.

I won 57 Euros yesterday, thanks to Gollum beating Blunderland by 2 goals. Fancy a beer Mr Shin ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 11:32:12 AM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2013, 11:24:57 AM

Gary Gardner has just started to follow Tom Ince on twitter! ;-)

Probably played together at youth level for England - wouldnt read too much into it , he also follows messi but i doubt he will be joining us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2013, 11:37:14 AM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 11:32:12 AM

Quote from: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2013, 11:24:57 AM

Gary Gardner has just started to follow Tom Ince on twitter! ;-)

Probably played together at youth level for England - wouldnt read too much into it , he also follows messi but i doubt he will be joining us.

Was firmly tongue in cheek. Who knows though

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2013, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2013, 07:58:49 AM

I'd rather have a bit of steel in midfield than a creative player right now, I think we look very dangerous going forward.
Having said that, I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't sign anybody, think our squad is pretty good.

I was thinking that myself, we are very dangerous going forward as it is. Even with a 'playmaker' there will always that game when the ball just wont go in, it hits the bar, post, goals ruled out for offside, amazing keeper saves etc. I would rather be in with a tough tackling man of steal who can see a pass type of player. However these players probably like Roy Keane do not come round that often.  With Lambert in charge he might just find one from the lower leagues.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2013, 11:44:27 AM

He scored a very good goal yesterday as it happens (Ince that is).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 11:55:24 AM

I think we need an attacking midfielder to add a bit of spark to the side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 12:17:31 PM

I see Ozil starts on the bench for Real Madrid today. He's a very creative midfielder. Completely out of our price range and would not fit into our prudent business model but he is exactly what we need. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 01, 2013, 12:23:29 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 12:17:31 PM

I see Ozil starts on the bench for Real Madrid today. He's a very creative midfielder. Completely out of our price range and would not fit into our prudent business model but he is exactly what we need.

Arsenal is supposedly after Ozil and Benzema from Madrid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 12:24:58 PM

Quote from: Jarpie on September 01, 2013, 12:23:29 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 12:17:31 PM

I see Ozil starts on the bench for Real Madrid today. He's a very creative midfielder. Completely out of our price range and would not fit into our prudent business model but he is exactly what we need.

Arsenal is supposedly after Ozil and Benzema from Madrid.

I am sure given the choice he would choose us over them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 01, 2013, 12:35:19 PM

Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2013, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2013, 07:58:49 AM

I'd rather have a bit of steel in midfield than a creative player right now, I think we look very dangerous going forward.
Having said that, I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't sign anybody, think our squad is pretty good.

I was thinking that myself, we are very dangerous going forward as it is. Even with a 'playmaker' there will always that game when the ball just wont go in, it hits the bar, post, goals ruled out for offside, amazing keeper saves etc. I would rather be in with a tough tackling man of steal who can see a pass type of player. However these players probably like Roy Keane do not come round that often.  With Lambert in charge he might just find one from the lower leagues.

I also agree with you. We have not got a major problem scoring or creating goals, but we do have a problem conceding goals. If we could strengthen the CM and protect the defence better we will win more games .......

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 12:43:43 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 01, 2013, 12:35:19 PM

Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2013, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2013, 07:58:49 AM

I'd rather have a bit of steel in midfield than a creative player right now, I think we look very dangerous going forward.
Having said that, I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't sign anybody, think our squad is pretty good.

I was thinking that myself, we are very dangerous going forward as it is. Even with a 'playmaker' there will always that game when the ball just wont go in, it hits the bar, post, goals ruled out for offside, amazing keeper saves etc. I would rather be in with a tough tackling man of steal who can see a pass type of player. However these players probably like Roy Keane do not come round that often.  With Lambert in charge he might just find one from the lower leagues.

I also agree with you. We have not got a major problem scoring or creating goals, but we do have a problem conceding goals. If we could strengthen the CM and protect the defence better we will win more games .......

I think we'll be a lot better at that this year. I do think we struggle a bit to create when teams sit back against us, so we need a player who can unlock a defence.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2013, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 12:43:43 PM

Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 01, 2013, 12:35:19 PM

Quote from: Ian J on September 01, 2013, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 01, 2013, 07:58:49 AM

I'd rather have a bit of steel in midfield than a creative player right now, I think we look very dangerous going forward.
Having said that, I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't sign anybody, think our squad is pretty good.

I was thinking that myself, we are very dangerous going forward as it is. Even with a 'playmaker' there will always that game when the ball just wont go in, it hits the bar, post, goals ruled out for offside, amazing keeper saves etc. I would rather be in with a tough tackling man of steal who can see a pass type of player. However these players probably like Roy Keane do not come round that often.  With Lambert in charge he might just find one from the lower leagues.

I also agree with you. We have not got a major problem scoring or creating goals, but we do have a problem conceding goals. If we could strengthen the CM and protect the defence better we will win more games .......

I think we'll be a lot better at that this year. I do think we struggle a bit to create when teams sit back against us, so we need a player who can unlock a defence.

Agree Paul and I think part of that is that opposition midfields can always keep our flat midfield three in front of them and can keep a pretty solid shape.  Having a more advanced midfielder would pose teams a lot more problems and would pull them out of shape a bit more. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2013, 04:35:54 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 03:09:40 AM

Anyone calling it? I reckon some silky-skilled young lad in Germany or Italy and that Lambert is at a game there this weekend.

Luca Cigarini (Atalanta) would do nicely. Mid 20's now though, so probably way too old and past it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on September 01, 2013, 04:41:55 PM

Tom Ince's goal yesterday was excellent. I think he'd be an extremely useful addition.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2013, 05:11:10 PM

Has Lambert been spotted at any games this weekend?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Apparently at St James Park yesterday according to the ever reliable twitter, who also claim we will sign Tom Ince. Who I still think would be a great signing, but if Spurs are in, then he won't come here. Not sure what would interest him there unless Ben Arfa is suddenly fancying a bit of Birmingham sunshine.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2013, 05:45:14 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Apparently at St James Park yesterday according to the ever reliable twitter, who also claim we will sign Tom Ince. Who I still think would be a great signing, but if Spurs are in, then he won't come here. Not sure what would interest him there unless Ben Arfa is suddenly fancying a bit of Birmingham sunshine.

Almost certainly a triple swoop for Tiote, Sissoko and Ben Arfa is on the cards.  Or maybe it's because we play them next (boring).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on September 01, 2013, 05:45:22 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Apparently at St James Park yesterday according to the ever reliable twitter, who also claim we will sign Tom Ince. Who I still think would be a great signing, but if Spurs are in, then he won't come here. Not sure what would interest him there unless Ben Arfa is suddenly fancying a bit of Birmingham sunshine.

Probably just a bit of pre game recon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2013, 06:20:56 PM

The ideal midfielder for us would be Fellaini. We are obviously not going to get him, but who is the next-generation Fellaini out there?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2013, 06:27:55 PM

If Blackpool already have the Fonz are they allowed a second player on loan from us?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on September 01, 2013, 06:49:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Apparently at St James Park yesterday according to the ever reliable twitter, who also claim we will sign Tom Ince. Who I still think would be a great signing, but if Spurs are in, then he won't come here. Not sure what would interest him there unless Ben Arfa is suddenly fancying a bit of Birmingham sunshine.

It's only a wild hunch, but the fact that we are playing them next perhaps?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 06:50:44 PM

From what I've seen this season, I'd be happy if the signing in question (presuming there is one) is a consistent N'Zogbia type. I've seen enough of the current defensive replacements to think we'd probably be okay with what we have.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 01, 2013, 06:55:12 PM

Quote from: richard moore on September 01, 2013, 06:49:23 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 05:41:29 PM

Apparently at St James Park yesterday according to the ever reliable twitter, who also claim we will sign Tom Ince. Who I still think would be a great signing, but if Spurs are in, then he won't come here. Not sure what would interest him there unless Ben Arfa is suddenly fancying a bit of Birmingham sunshine.

It's only a wild hunch, but the fact that we are playing them next perhaps?

I think you may have just cracked this case wide open.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2013, 06:58:03 PM

It's going to be one hell of a disappointing end to the summer if we don't add some genuine talent to the midfield tomorrow. We've bumped the squad up in terms of bodies, but in terms of quality to knock us up a few levels it's still very much a 'as you were' type of scenario to my eyes.

When you think how the support have stuck by the side over the last 3 seasons of struggle i honestly thought Randy would've done something more imaginative this summer to reward us and more importantly make sure we don't struggle once again.

With record TV revenues coming in, and a wage bill that's been trimmed significantly over the last few years, it's not going to look too good on Randy if once again he's keeping his hands in his pockets. I know they've done an amazing PR job in getting supporters to follow the 'we must be prudent' line, but with a club our size with these new incomes it's all fluff to deflect from not wanting to spend much

You only have to go through our squad as it is and do the maths, to realise how low our wage bill must actually be now compared to income

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Fingers on September 01, 2013, 07:03:13 PM

Libor Kozak apparently signing. Czech striker from Lazio. No I've never heard of him either.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 01, 2013, 07:04:50 PM

Libor Kozak signing from Lazio apparently, have no idea who he is

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 07:06:27 PM

I think it's Lambert who's shying away from the lack of big-money signings to a certain degree. Buying and improving young, grateful players is more of a philosophy than a choice. Randy is happy to pony-up transfer money as long as the wages aren't sky-high.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:06:51 PM

I hope an Ince or some sort of midfielder is also on the way...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:07:11 PM

]Where  has the Kozak rumour come from?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spangley1812 on September 01, 2013, 07:08:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:07:11 PM

Where  has the Kodak rumour come from?

I suspect Twitter..........lets hope he is picture perfect

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Sky sports Italy apparently. Top scorer in the Europa last season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2013, 07:11:19 PM

Quote from: Fingers on September 01, 2013, 07:03:13 PM

Libor Kozak apparently signing. Czech striker from Lazio. No I've never heard of him either.

A quick look at his stats via wiki and the 'not impressed' signs are flickering. And another striker ??? Noooooooooooo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:12:25 PM

Quote from: spangley1812 on September 01, 2013, 07:08:16 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:07:11 PM

Where  has the Kozak rumour come from?

I suspect Twitter..........lets hope he is picture perfect

Indeed , would be a but surprised to see another striker coming in , maybe we can hope for a midfielder too.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Sky sports Italy apparently. Top scorer in the Europa last season.

And no goals in his 18 seria a games :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 07:13:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:06:51 PM

I hope an Ince or some sort of midfielder is also on the way...

I agree completely.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2013, 07:14:12 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Sky sports Italy apparently. Top scorer in the Europa last season.

But non in Seria A. He's been at Lazio since 2008, but doesn't look like he's pulled up any trees (58 games, 10 goals) and spent a season on loan in their second division with Brescia too (30 games, 4 goals)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:16:22 PM

Does look a strange one if true.... Who has bid 50 million for Benteke......??

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:17:10 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2013, 07:14:12 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Sky sports Italy apparently. Top scorer in the Europa last season.

But non in Seria A. He's been at Lazio since 2008, but doesn't look like he's pulled up any trees (58 games, 10 goals) and spent a season on loan in their second division with Brescia too (30 games, 4 goals)

Was linked to sunderland last month at about £5m apparently , does he play as a wide striker or an out an out front man?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 07:18:16 PM

Who loves him?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:20:33 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 07:18:16 PM

Who loves him?

Lets hope he's not injury prone - we don't need another Crocker :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on September 01, 2013, 07:21:49 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 07:18:16 PM

Who loves him?

Frankie Valli is a Villa fan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:28:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:17:10 PM

Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on September 01, 2013, 07:14:12 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Sky sports Italy apparently. Top scorer in the Europa last season.

But non in Seria A. He's been at Lazio since 2008, but doesn't look like he's pulled up any trees (58 games, 10 goals) and spent a season on loan in their second division with Brescia too (30 games, 4 goals)

Was linked to sunderland last month at about £5m apparently , does he play as a wide striker or an out an out front man?

He looks like a big lump. Benteke without, well..... everything good about Benteke!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

One of the Sunday rags linked helenius to Real Madrid last week .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 07:31:25 PM

Why do I suspect that this rumour is being used to flush out potential suitors and we are not in for him at all.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:32:31 PM

Or Lambert saying he has realised his mistakes from the Bradford game actually meant when he threw a load of forwards on and hit it long they just were not big enough, so sign a couple of big men to aim it at!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:33:49 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:32:31 PM

Or Lambert saying he has realised his mistakes from the Bradford game actually meant when he threw a load of forwards on and hit it long they just were not big enough, so sign a couple of big men to aim it at!

As long as its not zigic :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 07:34:11 PM

Helenius is going nowhere, I can't see us needing a striker but we do need a creative midfielder.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 07:41:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 07:31:25 PM

Why do I suspect that this rumour is being used to flush out potential suitors and we are not in for him at all.

I suspect it's just incorrect, really.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 07:43:43 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 07:41:00 PM

Quote from: Yossarian on September 01, 2013, 07:31:25 PM

Why do I suspect that this rumour is being used to flush out potential suitors and we are not in for him at all.

I suspect it's just incorrect, really.

I hope so. He would be the first one prior to signing that I have not thought he looks useful. And we are crying out for creativity not striking.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 07:48:33 PM

I feel Villa are just one player away from opposition teams looking at us and thinking 'oh shit, we've got Benteke covered but what do we do about [insert player name].' That's why I'm not bothered about another striker. It's not very likely, but Ashley Young used to fill that role rather nicely for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:48:55 PM

@JamesNursey: Writing an #AVFC transfer story for tomorrow's mirror, expecting at least 1 in and 1 out

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 07:49:19 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Young Niklas has just given an interview at half time in the Aab v Brøndby game. (back visiting his old teammates for the weekend).

Said how much he was enjoying it, but obviously a big step up.  Also said he was surprised that he'd already made his debut as he'd been prepared to wait for his chance, even to come on as a sub. He also mentioned that it was great to have a coach who had showed so much confidence in him and was giving him some good advice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 07:49:43 PM

Maybe we could swap him for Bowery.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:51:30 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 07:49:43 PM

Maybe we could swap him for Bowery.

I wouldn't be surprised to find  Bowery may be heading out tomorrow on loan somewhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

One of the Sunday rags linked helenius to Real Madrid last week .

Yep the B side. Anyways i really hope the one out is Ireland, come on scfc get your bids in!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 07:52:39 PM

Where have all of these Helenius homesick stories emerged from? There has been nothing suggest anything of the sort four games into his career with us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:53:59 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

One of the Sunday rags linked helenius to Real Madrid last week .

Yep the B side. Anyways i really hope the one out is Ireland, come on scfc get your bids in!!

Yep, Stockport county would suit him well :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on September 01, 2013, 07:54:51 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 07:49:19 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Young Niklas has just given an interview at half time in the Aab v Brøndby game. (back visiting his old teammates for the weekend).

Said how much he was enjoying it, but obviously a big step up.  Also said he was surprised that he'd already made his debut as he'd been prepared to wait for his chance, even to come on as a sub. He also mentioned that it was great to have a coach who had showed so much confidence in him and was giving him some good advice.

Great to have a spy in Denmark at the moment.Fedt nok Mand ! Jeg haaber at do ha dey os godt derover !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 07:56:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 07:52:39 PM

Where have all of these Helenius homesick stories emerged from?

"all these ... stories" = someone a few posts back saying "maybe he's homesick?".

i wouldn't worry about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 07:57:23 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:51:30 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 01, 2013, 07:49:43 PM

Maybe we could swap him for Bowery.

I wouldn't be surprised to find  Bowery may be heading out tomorrow on loan somewhere.

I must say I was a bit perplexed by the Bowery addition. Not that he was bought, but that it was announced with the same fanfare as the others. He was nowhere near ready for the first team and so it's proved.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 08:00:52 PM

Quote from: spk on September 01, 2013, 07:54:51 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 07:49:19 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Young Niklas has just given an interview at half time in the Aab v Brøndby game. (back visiting his old teammates for the weekend).

Said how much he was enjoying it, but obviously a big step up.  Also said he was surprised that he'd already made his debut as he'd been prepared to wait for his chance, even to come on as a sub. He also mentioned that it was great to have a coach who had showed so much confidence in him and was giving him some good advice.

Great to have a spy in Denmark at the moment.Fedt nok Mand ! Jeg haaber at do ha dey os godt derover !

Hej spk, godt forsøgt med sprøget!

And yes, all's well over here :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 08:07:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 07:56:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 07:52:39 PM

Where have all of these Helenius homesick stories emerged from?

"all these ... stories" = someone a few posts back saying "maybe he's homesick?".

i wouldn't worry about it.

Eagerly anticipating #avfc feed to go crazy with tweets saying 'Helenius is homesick' 'Helenius is leaving' Think i might tweet it just for a chuckle.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 08:09:44 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 08:07:02 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2013, 07:56:19 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 07:52:39 PM

Where have all of these Helenius homesick stories emerged from?

"all these ... stories" = someone a few posts back saying "maybe he's homesick?".

i wouldn't worry about it.

Eagerly anticipating #avfc feed to go crazy with tweets saying 'Helenius is homesick' 'Helenius is leaving' Think i might tweet it just for a chuckle.

Make it happen!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 08:15:51 PM

If you want to start a bullshit rumour on Twitter this precisely the time to start it. A day to go in the window, some people will hang on to every tweet and suggestion and literally believe anything.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on September 01, 2013, 08:18:37 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 08:00:52 PM

Quote from: spk on September 01, 2013, 07:54:51 PM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 07:49:19 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Young Niklas has just given an interview at half time in the Aab v Brøndby game. (back visiting his old teammates for the weekend).

Said how much he was enjoying it, but obviously a big step up.  Also said he was surprised that he'd already made his debut as he'd been prepared to wait for his chance, even to come on as a sub. He also mentioned that it was great to have a coach who had showed so much confidence in him and was giving him some good advice.

Great to have a spy in Denmark at the moment.Fedt nok Mand ! Jeg haaber at do ha dey os godt derover !

Hej spk, godt forsøgt med sprøget!

And yes, all's well over here :)

Tak Makker,prove se dine privat besked

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 08:19:55 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 08:15:51 PM

If you want to start a bullshit rumour on Twitter this precisely the time to start it. A day to go in the window, some people will hang on to every tweet and suggestion and literally believe anything.

Somebody with a better knowledge than me suggest an exciting, we've vaguely heard of him midfielder from some German, French or Russian side and I will get posting. I've moved most of my furniture and my telly before moving house and I only have my laptop to keep me amused.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

How's that TV?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:21:27 PM

If I knew how to use twitter i'd stir up some complete bollocks transfers, plus some piss taking Albion manager rumours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 08:22:39 PM

We should have a league table. Players name, and then how many minutes it took to reach, say, ten mentions as a viable Twitter rumour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2013, 08:22:51 PM

Bowery should go to Wolves or Blues on loan.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2013, 08:23:36 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

How's that TV?

he looks the business

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2013, 08:23:49 PM

#ToMadeira is the rumour to start.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:25:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:21:27 PM

If I knew how to use twitter i'd stir up some complete bollocks transfers, plus some piss taking Albion manager rumours.

Mcleish must be the man :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 08:26:45 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2013, 08:23:49 PM

#ToMadeira is the rumour to start.

Who's off there, then? Ireland?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2013, 08:29:37 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

How's that TV?

I'm glad he's addressing the creative midfield position. A Villa side with a midfield of Delph, Westwood and Vim Fuego will be en fuego.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:29:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:25:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:21:27 PM

If I knew how to use twitter i'd stir up some complete bollocks transfers, plus some piss taking Albion manager rumours.

Mcleish must be the man :)

Too obvious a pisstake, would have to be someone shit but realistic for West Brazil, like Fat Sam.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:31:24 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:29:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:25:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:21:27 PM

If I knew how to use twitter i'd stir up some complete bollocks transfers, plus some piss taking Albion manager rumours.

Mcleish must be the man :)

Too obvious a pisstake, would have to be someone shit but realistic for West Brazil, like Fat Sam.

Steve mclaren

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:29:57 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:25:54 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 08:21:27 PM

If I knew how to use twitter i'd stir up some complete bollocks transfers, plus some piss taking Albion manager rumours.

Mcleish must be the man :)

Too obvious a pisstake, would have to be someone shit but realistic for West Brazil, like Fat Sam.

I reckon Nigel Clough is a realistic enough bullshit rumour.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 08:37:23 PM

Nursey has said Ince not going to Villa.:-( Disappointing. I want a bums off seats player that can do something different.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 08:38:54 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 08:37:23 PM

Nursey has said Ince not going to Villa.:-( Disappointing. I want a bums off seats player that can do something different.

I honestly don't think Ince is the player we need. I can't give you a name that I'd prefer, but I don't think he's it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2013, 08:40:11 PM

Quote from: N'ZMAV on September 01, 2013, 08:22:51 PM

Bowery should go to Wolves or Blues on loan.

What the fuck has he done to deserve that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 08:41:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 08:37:23 PM

Nursey has said Ince not going to Villa.:-( Disappointing. I want a bums off seats player that can do something different.

Yeah I agree.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 08:43:16 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 08:41:07 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 08:37:23 PM

Nursey has said Ince not going to Villa.:-( Disappointing. I want a bums off seats player that can do something different.

Yeah I agree.

Agreed, someone similar to coutinho has been for Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2013, 09:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

Ajax were after Vim. Pleased we have managed to scrub up enough shine to land him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 01, 2013, 09:01:37 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2013, 09:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

Ajax were after Vim. Pleased we have managed to scrub up enough shine to land him.

No doubt he will sparkle for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris87 on September 01, 2013, 09:03:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 09:01:37 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2013, 09:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

Ajax were after Vim. Pleased we have managed to scrub up enough shine to land him.

No doubt he will sparkle for us.

He'll set the league alight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on September 01, 2013, 09:06:50 PM

The signing of Pajtim Kasami or Bryan Ruiz after we gave Bent to fulham could work??  I think one may be available? but not Duff who defiantly is as hes getting on a bit and doesn't suit lamberts policy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2013, 09:11:49 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on September 01, 2013, 09:06:50 PM

The signing of Pajtim Kasami or Bryan Ruiz after we gave Bent to fulham could work??  I think one may be available? but not Duff who defiantly is as hes getting on a bit and doesn't suit lamberts policy.

So you're saying "no to Duff" back to yourself, as you're the only person on the world that suggested him in the first place.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2013, 09:15:56 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2013, 08:57:02 PM

didn't someone say Faulkner said this last signing will be a game changer .   errrr basketball ???

Phil Dowd!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2013, 09:19:35 PM

Quote from: Chris87 on September 01, 2013, 09:03:35 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 09:01:37 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 01, 2013, 09:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 08:20:32 PM

@MRRandom: Aston Villa agree fee with german side FC Badneus for Vim Fuego.

Ajax were after Vim. Pleased we have managed to scrub up enough shine to land him.

No doubt he will sparkle for us.

He'll set the league alight.

Brilliant in the showers!!! ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2013, 09:52:23 PM

Maybe he's thinking Helenius isn't the strong target man type, and that the role is too important to the way we play without adequate cover for Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 09:59:37 PM

Benteke won't be leaving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:00:32 PM

Arsenal have offered 50 million or something stupid like that. Just makes no sense otherwise. Wish we were able to get Ozil behind Benteke :-( or just that Lambert had MON funds to play with.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 10:01:23 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Lambert is building a squad of players he likes. Just because we aren't used to a manager building for the long term doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 01, 2013, 10:01:38 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:00:32 PM

Arsenal have offered 50 million or something stupid like that. Just makes no sense otherwise. Wish we were able to get Ozil behind Benteke :-( or just that Lambert had MON funds to play with.

Do you not think that if a deal the size of Benteke was in the offing someone, somewhere would have had a sniff of it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 01, 2013, 10:05:33 PM

Agreed. Tying down Benteke to a new deal only to let him go a month later is absurd to the point of insanity.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:07:32 PM

Don't try with that logic crap Woodhall. If something doesn't make sense there has to be more to it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on September 01, 2013, 10:07:50 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:00:32 PM

Arsenal have offered 50 million or something stupid like that. Just makes no sense otherwise. Wish we were able to get Ozil behind Benteke :-( or just that Lambert had MON funds to play with.

Please don't say that. Please

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on September 01, 2013, 10:09:03 PM

oh fuck,im scared now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2013, 10:09:10 PM

Having said that, I did see Torres at One Stop earlier. Thought nothing of it at the time, as you would.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2013, 10:10:16 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:07:32 PM

Don't try with that logic crap Woodhall. If something doesn't make sense there has to be more to it.

TSM moment never made any sense

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 10:10:36 PM

As Dave says, these days it it pretty hard to keep as big a transfer story as Benteke quiet, especially when there is only a day to go that he can be signed. I'd be VERY surprised if Benteke went anywhere.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 01, 2013, 10:11:20 PM

Nobody who we want to keep will be leaving at this stage. I'm pretty sure of that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:14:55 PM

Fees of upward of 7 million euros being rumoured on twitter. He better be good.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2013, 10:16:40 PM

small heath to sign Messi rumoured on Twatter as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2013, 10:20:52 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on September 01, 2013, 10:07:50 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 01, 2013, 10:00:32 PM

Arsenal have offered 50 million or something stupid like that. Just makes no sense otherwise. Wish we were able to get Ozil behind Benteke :-( or just that Lambert had MON funds to play with.

Please don't say that. Please

Not a chance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2013, 10:25:38 PM

Wonder if the hotel has a car park?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on September 01, 2013, 10:25:47 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 01, 2013, 09:52:23 PM

Maybe he's thinking Helenius isn't the strong target man type, and that the role is too important to the way we play without adequate cover for Benteke.

This is my thinking. Helenius, good as I think he could be, doesn't have the same skillset as Benteke. Completely different type of player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Helenius didn't make any impression on Wednesday, except perhaps of a giraffe in the headlights, so perhaps Lambert has realised he may have made a mistake so will send him somewhere else to acclimatise and in the meantime get in another striker more akin to Benteke.
Worryingly Spurs looked short of firepower today and have silly money to play with now Bale has at last screwed as much money out of the deal as he could and signed. Arsenal are also looking for a striker and have money to burn. Sleep well folks.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:10:17 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Helenius didn't make any impression on Wednesday, except perhaps of a giraffe in the headlights, so perhaps Lambert has realised he may have made a mistake so will send him somewhere else to acclimatise and in the meantime get in another striker more akin to Benteke.
Worryingly Spurs looked short of firepower today and have silly money to play with now Bale has at last screwed as much money out of the deal as he could and signed. Arsenal are also looking for a striker and have money to burn. Sleep well folks.

Will do, since the Tottenham and Arsenal stuff is rhubarb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Summers on September 02, 2013, 12:12:15 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Helenius didn't make any impression on Wednesday, except perhaps of a giraffe in the headlights, so perhaps Lambert has realised he may have made a mistake so will send him somewhere else to acclimatise and in the meantime get in another striker more akin to Benteke.
Worryingly Spurs looked short of firepower today and have silly money to play with now Bale has at last screwed as much money out of the deal as he could and signed. Arsenal are also looking for a striker and have money to burn. Sleep well folks.

Spurs have spent that cash already.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:14:31 AM

Apparently Palace will only take Bannan if we include Benteke in the deal.

The above is about as likely as any of the other tosh about him joining a London club tomorrow.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 12:18:17 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Helenius didn't make any impression on Wednesday, except perhaps of a giraffe in the headlights, so perhaps Lambert has realised he may have made a mistake so will send him somewhere else to acclimatise and in the meantime get in another striker more akin to Benteke.
Worryingly Spurs looked short of firepower today and have silly money to play with now Bale has at last screwed as much money out of the deal as he could and signed. Arsenal are also looking for a striker and have money to burn. Sleep well folks.

I intend to. Partly because there's as much chance of Benteke moving tomorrow as there is of Paul Lambert making his mind up about  a player based on seven minutes in the Premier League and 243 minutes in a cup game that was already won.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:21:52 AM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 12:18:17 AM

Quote from: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 10:35:22 PM

'Nicklas Helenius is going out on loan' is all over twitter now. Hahahaha

Helenius didn't make any impression on Wednesday, except perhaps of a giraffe in the headlights, so perhaps Lambert has realised he may have made a mistake so will send him somewhere else to acclimatise and in the meantime get in another striker more akin to Benteke.
Worryingly Spurs looked short of firepower today and have silly money to play with now Bale has at last screwed as much money out of the deal as he could and signed. Arsenal are also looking for a striker and have money to burn. Sleep well folks.

I intend to. Partly because there's as much chance of Benteke moving tomorrow as there is of Paul Lambert making his mind up about  a player based on seven minutes in the Premier League and 243 minutes in a cup game that was already won.

If he didn't score in over 4 hours against Rotherham then maybe he is shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:26:31 AM

I have a sneaky suspicion CO was very tongue in cheek there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:27:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Yes, it is. In fact, I think all of our players are shit. I don't even know why I bother watching half the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 12:30:51 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Uh-oh.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:33:06 AM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 12:30:51 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Uh-oh.

Sense of impending doom approaching.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 01:23:10 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:27:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Yes, it is. In fact, I think all of our players are shit. I don't even know why I bother watching half the time.

I'm an idiot. Took your post wrong. Apologies

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: richard moore on September 02, 2013, 08:28:59 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

No way! Or that bug eyed sidekick git! I shall be staying tuned on here and on the BBC website which has a very good update. Best day of the year not to have Sky Sports just beating into second place the numerous 'Sunday Showdowns' et al

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: willywombat on September 02, 2013, 08:34:36 AM

I don't care whether we sign anyone or not. I know it's probably irrational but my biggest fear is that someone comes in with a massive, last minute bid for CB. Close the bloody window now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:38:58 AM

If a Premier League transfer deadline day takes plays without Harry Redknapp taking part, does it really happen ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: sid1964 on September 02, 2013, 08:50:57 AM

Lets hope that the Bendtner rumours on twitter are not true!! - season long loan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 08:57:09 AM

Made up to wind us up by that stupid fake os account

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2013, 09:00:00 AM

Quote from: sid1964 on September 02, 2013, 08:50:57 AM

Lets hope that the Bendtner rumours on twitter are not true!! - season long loan

That's make more sense to me that £4m on the czech fella. 
There's a decent player somewhere in Bendtner and his ego has taken a bit of a bashing recently so along with his added age (maybe maturity) he might not be such a nob.  I also wouldn't be surprised if his contract expires at the end of the season so we'd be in a good position to sign him if he did play well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 09:04:33 AM

I don't mind Bendtner that much. He's nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2013, 09:05:52 AM

He can't hit an elephant's arse with a concert harp.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 09:06:19 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

That's the spirit, talk about overreaction - on a football forum calling for someone to be shot for placing a fun bet , dear me :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 02, 2013, 09:09:39 AM

There's NOTHING to Bendtner, some very obvious fake "OS" account tweeted about it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 02, 2013, 09:10:45 AM

Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2013, 07:49:19 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

Young Niklas has just given an interview at half time in the Aab v Brøndby game. (back visiting his old teammates for the weekend).

Said how much he was enjoying it, but obviously a big step up.  Also said he was surprised that he'd already made his debut as he'd been prepared to wait for his chance, even to come on as a sub. He also mentioned that it was great to have a coach who had showed so much confidence in him and was giving him some good advice.

To all the Helenius rumours about going out on loan.  The interview I'm referring to was pitch side, last night, live on Danish TV in Aalborg, Northern Jutland.

To all the Helenius doesn't look like a target man / Benteke replacement comments, if Lambert is as diligent and thorough in his scouting as he appears to be there is no way he was purchased with that plan in mind.  There were loads of comments at the time from AaB supporters at the time saying if we thought we'd bought Benteke's replacement we'd be disappointed, not his game at all from what I can gather.  I wasn't too aware of him at the time we signed him, so the above what I can piece together fro, AaB fan sites, and interviews with Kent Nielsen and Morten Olsen ( national team manager)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 09:11:02 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

Yellow, 

lump on, (ITK)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 09:11:34 AM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 09:06:19 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

That's the spirit, talk about overreaction - calling for someone to be shot for placing a fun bet , dear me :(

For fucks sake Easts, it was a sarcastic comment.

I'd like to put on record that i don't really want people killed for placing a bet.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 09:12:56 AM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 09:11:02 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

Yellow, 

lump on, (ITK)

I agree john e, he has a penchant for a yellow tie on these occassions .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 09:22:38 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 01:23:10 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:27:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Yes, it is. In fact, I think all of our players are shit. I don't even know why I bother watching half the time.

I'm an idiot. Took your post wrong. Apologies

Not to worry, it was half past midnight.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 09:23:35 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 09:22:38 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 01:23:10 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:27:46 AM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 12:24:38 AM

Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 12:13:12 AM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:11:40 AM

I very much doubt Lambert is stupid enough to write off a player based on a total of 7 minutes against Liverpool and 23 minutes against Rotherham.

No, Helenius is apparently so bad, he couldn't even get a game at the Albion.

Yes off course he's shit. In fact I imagine you were part of the crowd writing off KEA yet he's been one of our best players this season. How about we give the bloke a chance, or is that a little too much to ask?

Yes, it is. In fact, I think all of our players are shit. I don't even know why I bother watching half the time.

I'm an idiot. Took your post wrong. Apologies

Not to worry, it was half past midnight.

he was a pumpkin by then

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 09:39:50 AM

Sessegnon linked on twitter. Would be a good signing if in form.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 02, 2013, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 09:39:50 AM

Sessegnon linked on twitter. Would be a good signing if in form.

I thought he was sold already, he'd be a good buy but not sure if Lambo wants him given him getting for drunk driving.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dicedlam on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White eastie Day everybody

Fixed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 09:49:00 AM

Sessignon would be a very good signing for us i think- wouldnt read too much into it though at this stage.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 09:52:15 AM

Thanks JW

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 09:53:50 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White eastie Day everybody

Fixed.

It's a big day for eastie, reckon he's got the full gimp-suit with peep-hole crotch out especially for it.

Can I also add that I think Sessignon is shite, and there's no way in the world we'll be signing him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2013, 09:57:09 AM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 09:06:19 AM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White Day everybody

Anyone who bets on what colour tie he'll be wearing should be shot.

That's the spirit, talk about overreaction - on a football forum calling for someone to be shot for placing a fun bet , dear me :(

Blimey Eastie the transfer deadline day stress has got to you early.
I bet Jim White secretely hates deadline day. He basically has to pretend to be excited all day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2013, 10:45:42 AM

Our style of play requires us to run about like headcases for ninety minutes. You're going to need to rotate to do that, especially if we do anything in the cups.

Look at our midfield: all of Bacuna, Tonev, Delph, Sylla, Westwood and El-Ahmadi have played already and we're only four games in.

Weimann and Agbonlahor both have to do loads of running every game and it's unrealistic to expect them to play every game. Helenius and the Czech fellow would provide better competition than Bowery (who I'd be happy to see go on loan).

Could still do with a big tall bastard of a centre-half, I reckon, but I won't be too upset if we sign extra competition up front.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on September 02, 2013, 10:48:10 AM

Enjoy! http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/derisory-bids-war-chests-player-2240586

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 10:48:20 AM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:42:59 AM

you would think that its getting to late now for a monster bid for Benteke,
 but i'm a bit of a worry wort and cant help fearing the worst

I think that any move as big as Benteke would be known about already if it was going to happen today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 10:48:27 AM

This signing may also suggest we'll still lack a little bit of subtlety about our game. That bit of guile we may well need in tighter games at home.
This mythical number 10 seems to be alluding us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 10:52:09 AM

Quote from: supertom on September 02, 2013, 10:48:27 AM

This mythical number 10 seems to be alluding us.

Villa are the Neil Kinnock of the Premier League

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:53:15 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 10:48:20 AM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:42:59 AM

you would think that its getting to late now for a monster bid for Benteke,
 but i'm a bit of a worry wort and cant help fearing the worst

I think that any move as big as Benteke would be known about already if it was going to happen today.

yes that's true,
 you would have thought there would be at least a whisper somewhere
I just cant help worrying, i'l be glad when its over,
that 7.5 million striker we are supposed to have signed makes no sense to me, but that's just me, I know i'm a bit paranoid on this one, I admit it, i'm crossing the hours of as the day goes on

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on September 02, 2013, 10:53:49 AM

He's got his own thread, has he signed?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 10:55:47 AM

There were a few games last season where we we're struggling at home, and then in the second half we went more direct and got on top, but struggled to make clear cut chances.

The games against Southampton and Newcastle spring to mind, and the game last week against Liverpool was similar. Now, if we had a second target to bring on, a genuine threat, we may well have got positive outcomes.

Small changes like that could see us up three or four spots come the end of the season, or get us through some cup ties, and it lets you blood the big man's replacement for a season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on September 02, 2013, 11:34:09 AM

It's all gone very quiet on that Boudebouz guy. Wonder if he could pop-up later on in the window...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 11:49:26 AM

If I remember rightly the last September transfer window we signed players around the 5pm - 7pm mark.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 12:04:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 09:53:50 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White eastie Day everybody

Fixed.

It's a big day for eastie, reckon he's got the full gimp-suit with peep-hole crotch out especially for it.

Can I also add that I think Sessignon is shite, and there's no way in the world we'll be signing him.

Noble is wank, Sessegnon is shite...do you get off on bullying talented midfielders? Is that your thing Lee? Is it?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 12:05:49 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

i might as well do some work then

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on September 02, 2013, 12:09:17 PM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:53:15 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 10:48:20 AM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:42:59 AM

you would think that its getting to late now for a monster bid for Benteke,
 but i'm a bit of a worry wort and cant help fearing the worst

I think that any move as big as Benteke would be known about already if it was going to happen today.

yes that's true,
 you would have thought there would be at least a whisper somewhere
I just cant help worrying, i'l be glad when its over

Got to admit I had a mild panic attack when I saw the headline "Aston Villa paid record transfer fee" but it was just a flashback story to when we paid £100 for the boy Groves back in 1893.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2013, 12:10:58 PM

'the boy' Groves !love it are you Ian St John?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 12:11:10 PM

Quote from: sid1964 on September 02, 2013, 08:50:57 AM

Lets hope that the Bendtner rumours on twitter are not true!! - season long loan

im running a bit behind here . Why is he looking at another striker ? and not midfield . Who is off

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 12:15:33 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 12:04:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 09:53:50 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White eastie Day everybody

Fixed.

It's a big day for eastie, reckon he's got the full gimp-suit with peep-hole crotch out especially for it.

Can I also add that I think Sessignon is shite, and there's no way in the world we'll be signing him.

Noble is wank, Sessegnon is shite...do you get off on bullying talented midfielders? Is that your thing Lee? Is it?

Yes. Yes it is.

As a hard working water-carrier myself, I've never had much time players with ability.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

Slightly disappointing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 12:16:08 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 09:39:50 AM

Sessegnon linked on twitter. Would be a good signing if in form.

its not anywhere on my twitter feed

i'd have thought Holly Willoughby, Andrea Mcclean and Winona Ryder would have been all over that

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 12:20:49 PM

Sessegnon for the tesco bags

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 12:24:00 PM

Not happy with that. Him and the French midfielder both good players

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: adrenachrome on September 02, 2013, 12:26:30 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 01, 2013, 09:11:49 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on September 01, 2013, 09:06:50 PM

The signing of Pajtim Kasami or Bryan Ruiz after we gave Bent to fulham could work??  I think one may be available? but not Duff who defiantly is as hes getting on a bit and doesn't suit lamberts policy.

So you're saying "no to Duff" back to yourself, as you're the only person on the world that suggested him in the first place.

The quare fella often meets himself coming back. It's just the way he rolls. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:27:30 PM

Bless, if they do actually spend money on Sessegnon the reported £5m will be a club record fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on September 02, 2013, 12:27:52 PM

Im not sure how well connected Collymore is these days, but if Lambert had something up his sleeve I'm pretty sure he could keep quiet enough to evade TalkSport for a few hours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 12:28:37 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 12:27:30 PM

Bless, if they do actually spend money on Sessegnon the reported £5m will be a club record fee.

It'll probably be paid over 20 years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 12:33:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

Slightly disappointing.

We were saying much stronger than that at the close of the last window, but then went on a run that was easily mid table form from Everton away onwards.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 12:36:02 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 12:04:37 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 09:53:50 AM

Quote from: dicedlam on September 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 08:14:50 AM

Happy Jim White eastie Day everybody

Fixed.

It's a big day for eastie, reckon he's got the full gimp-suit with peep-hole crotch out especially for it.

Can I also add that I think Sessignon is shite, and there's no way in the world we'll be signing him.

Noble is wank, Sessegnon is shite...do you get off on bullying talentedless midfielders? Is that your thing Lee? Is it?

Fixed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:38:54 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 12:33:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

Slightly disappointing.

We were saying much stronger than that at the close of the last window, but then went on a run that was easily mid table form from Everton away onwards.

Well yes, I don't think it's the end of the world but an attacking midfielder would have been nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 12:45:05 PM

Kendrick thinks thats the lot too-

@MatKendrick: At the moment it seems like Kozak will be Villa's final signing of the summer (unless Salifou sneaks back in at the eleventh hour) #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 12:45:07 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 12:33:04 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 11:59:28 AM

Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore 5m
Aston Villa. No more incoming during this window other than Kozak. @talkSPORT

Slightly disappointing.

We were saying much stronger than that at the close of the last window, but then went on a run that was easily mid table form from Everton away onwards.

Top 8 yo.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 12:47:48 PM

Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2013, 12:38:54 PM

Well yes, I don't think it's the end of the world but an attacking midfielder would have been nice.

I agree.

However, Lambert is very much the type who won't buy for the sake of it, so I'm presuming he couldn't find the right one that was within budget and represented good value.  So that one goes on the back burner until January.

Kozak makes 7 new signings this window, which is only Lambert's third with us, and we can't expect to get everything straight away.   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on September 02, 2013, 12:49:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 12:45:05 PM

Kendrick thinks thats the lot too-

@MatKendrick: At the moment it seems like Kozak will be Villa's final signing of the summer (unless Salifou sneaks back in at the eleventh hour) #avfc

What both SVC and Kendrick are saying is that they aren't aware of any other signings. That far from means that there won't be any.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2013, 12:50:11 PM

don't get the Kozak interest ...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 12:55:29 PM

Helenius did state that he almost preferred to play behind the striker....maybe Lambert has that in mind!?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 12:55:35 PM

BBC Sport's Pat Murphy reports: "Aston Villa hope to complete the signing of Czech international forward Libor Kosak later today. He plays for Lazio and is 6ft 3ins. Kosak has four caps, the last of which came against Hungary in August. I understand he's a versatile player who is more than an out-and-out striker. The fee is about £7m and if the deal goes through he would become Villa's seventh signing of the summer.

"Meanwhile, it looks as if Barry Bannan will be signing for Crystal Palace, linking up again with Ian Holloway for whom he had a successful loan spell at Blackpool."

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 02, 2013, 12:57:39 PM

Surely Archie can give us some info on Kozak, with him being a Lazio player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RussellC on September 02, 2013, 12:58:52 PM

Isn't Archie a Sampdoria fan...?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 12:55:35 PM

BBC Sport's Pat Murphy reports: "Aston Villa hope to complete the signing of Czech international forward Libor Kosak later today. He plays for Lazio and is 6ft 3ins. Kosak has four caps, the last of which came against Hungary in August. I understand he's a versatile player who is more than an out-and-out striker. The fee is about £7m and if the deal goes through he would become Villa's seventh signing of the summer.

"Meanwhile, it looks as if Barry Bannan will be signing for Crystal Palace, linking up again with Ian Holloway for whom he had a successful loan spell at Blackpool."

I do not think we would shell out 7m if the guy could not play ?  :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 01:00:38 PM

Quote from: RussellC on September 02, 2013, 12:49:46 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 12:45:05 PM

Kendrick thinks thats the lot too-

@MatKendrick: At the moment it seems like Kozak will be Villa's final signing of the summer (unless Salifou sneaks back in at the eleventh hour) #avfc

What both SVC and Kendrick are saying is that they aren't aware of any other signings. That far from means that there won't be any.

I won't wait up in expectation , do turn out the lights on your way out at 11pm :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: asgpaul on September 02, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

Anyone any news on whether any of the remaining members of the 'bomb squad' will be gone by the end of play today?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: avfcpg on September 02, 2013, 01:17:13 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 12:55:35 PM

BBC Sport's Pat Murphy reports: "Aston Villa hope to complete the signing of Czech international forward Libor Kosak later today. He plays for Lazio and is 6ft 3ins. Kosak has four caps, the last of which came against Hungary in August. I understand he's a versatile player who is more than an out-and-out striker. The fee is about £7m and if the deal goes through he would become Villa's seventh signing of the summer.

"Meanwhile, it looks as if Barry Bannan will be signing for Crystal Palace, linking up again with Ian Holloway for whom he had a successful loan spell at Blackpool."

I do not think we would shell out 7m if the guy could not play ?  :-\

We paid about £7 million for Benteke didn't we? Just saying..

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 01:21:12 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on September 02, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

Anyone any news on whether any of the remaining members of the 'bomb squad' will be gone by the end of play today?

As I understand it, the windows for loans outside the PL doesn;t close today, so something could happen later in the week?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on September 02, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

Anyone any news on whether any of the remaining members of the 'bomb squad' will be gone by the end of play today?

Stephen Ireland won't be attending today's transfer window, he's at the 8th funeral of his Grandma Catherine (or Cat as she's known to the family).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheEgo on September 02, 2013, 01:29:22 PM

Kozak is a smart move, keeps CB on his toes whilst providing direct cover should he get injured. Apparently 4m so smart business, lazio aren't too shabby.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Des Little on September 02, 2013, 01:40:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on September 02, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

Anyone any news on whether any of the remaining members of the 'bomb squad' will be gone by the end of play today?

Stephen Ireland won't be attending today's transfer window, he's at the 8th funeral of his Grandma Catherine (or Cat as she's known to the family).

He may as well bury his football career while he's at it.  Twunt.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nev on September 02, 2013, 01:48:06 PM

Quote from: Des Little on September 02, 2013, 01:40:51 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 01:21:13 PM

Quote from: asgpaul on September 02, 2013, 01:12:24 PM

Anyone any news on whether any of the remaining members of the 'bomb squad' will be gone by the end of play today?

Stephen Ireland won't be attending today's transfer window, he's at the 8th funeral of his Grandma Catherine (or Cat as she's known to the family).

He may as well bury his football career while he's at it.  Twunt.

Stoke interested in a loan deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

@JamesNursey: #AVFC signing Libor Kozak in a permanent £7million deal. Bannan off to Palace for £1.75m is what I am hearing

@MatKendrick: News emerging from the Stoke end that Mark Hughes wants to be reunited with Villa's Stephen Ireland. Talk of a loan deal, via @John__Percy

@John__Percy: Stoke have made a move to sign #avfc midfielder Stephen Ireland. Would be a loan until end of season if it goes through #scfc

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

@JamesNursey: #AVFC signing Libor Kozak in a permanent £7million deal. Bannan off to Palace for £1.75m is what I am hearing

@MatKendrick: News emerging from the Stoke end that Mark Hughes wants to be reunited with Villa's Stephen Ireland. Talk of a loan deal, via @John__Percy

In God we trust

Hutton anyone ???

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuco Salamanca on September 02, 2013, 01:52:52 PM

Far be it for me to write off a player that I've never seen play but his record doesn't exactly fill me with confidence a (1 in 4 man) and he is unwanted by a team who's strike force consists of a 35 year old Klose and a 31 year old journeyman  :-\

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on September 02, 2013, 01:53:15 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 01:51:44 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 01:50:37 PM

@JamesNursey: #AVFC signing Libor Kozak in a permanent £7million deal. Bannan off to Palace for £1.75m is what I am hearing

@MatKendrick: News emerging from the Stoke end that Mark Hughes wants to be reunited with Villa's Stephen Ireland. Talk of a loan deal, via @John__Percy

In God we trust

Hutton anyone ???

Oh please!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 02, 2013, 02:03:52 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 01, 2013, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:29 PM

Maybe Helenius is homesick?

One of the Sunday rags linked helenius to Real Madrid last week .

Yep the B side. Anyways i really hope the one out is Ireland, come on scfc get your bids in!!

This is looking like it's going to happen :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 02:38:41 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

It's possible I suppose. I can see our midfield picking up a few bookings so might be an idea to bring someone else in, unless he's happy to give Gardner a go if need be.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 02:39:06 PM

@MatKendrick: Villa would be receptive to Ireland going to Stoke on loan, according to a bear (belonging to a Catholic pope) pooing in the woods

Stephen Ireland now travelling to Stoke for talks and medical. #scfc #avfc #skydeadlineday

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 02:40:48 PM

Doesn't Ireland have just one year left on his contract?  If so then this effectively rids us of him, presuming Stoke are picking up all his wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: gervilla on September 02, 2013, 02:43:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 02:39:06 PM

@MatKendrick: Villa would be receptive to Ireland going to Stoke on loan, according to a bear (belonging to a Catholic pope) pooing in the woods

Stephen Ireland now travelling to Stoke for talks and medical. #scfc #avfc #skydeadlineday

Woooooo Hoooo .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 02:46:56 PM

Quote from: gervilla on September 02, 2013, 02:43:40 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 02:39:06 PM

@MatKendrick: Villa would be receptive to Ireland going to Stoke on loan, according to a bear (belonging to a Catholic pope) pooing in the woods

Stephen Ireland now travelling to Stoke for talks and medical. #scfc #avfc #skydeadlineday

Woooooo Hoooo .

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Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

Our best form last season was with a flatter midfield three.  We've bought options to suppliment the attack, and change the shape of it if necessary, but the way we've been playing without an AM would suggest one isn't the priority some of us think it is. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:04:56 PM

I've always said that Stoke are a great club. Never had a bad word to say about them.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 03:05:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

Our best form last season was with a flatter midfield three.  We've bought options to suppliment the attack, and change the shape of it if necessary, but the way we've been playing without an AM would suggest one isn't the priority some of us think it is. 

I think it is a priority, the links we've seen this summer show that it's something he's interested in, and he used Nzog in that role a fair few times.  I just think the specific requirements are very strict.  He wants someone who will give the work rate and defensive stability of Sylla but can also carry the ball and bring people in to play and score a few in the final 3rd.  The problem is you don't see many players like that, and the good ones (Iniesta, Lampard, Gotze) tend to be at the very big clubs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 03:05:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

Our best form last season was with a flatter midfield three.  We've bought options to suppliment the attack, and change the shape of it if necessary, but the way we've been playing without an AM would suggest one isn't the priority some of us think it is. 

I think it is a priority, the links we've seen this summer show that it's something he's interested in, and he used Nzog in that role a fair few times.  I just think the specific requirements are very strict.  He wants someone who will give the work rate and defensive stability of Sylla but can also carry the ball and bring people in to play and score a few in the final 3rd.  The problem is you don't see many players like that, and the good ones (Iniesta, Lampard, Gotze) tend to be at the very big clubs.

That's pretty much exactly my opinion on it too - when I said 'some of us' I was including myself in that.

But Lambert's got a system where we can get away without one, so if and when he can get the next Iniesta or Lampard he'll do it, but won't buy one for the sake of it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 03:12:58 PM

Ireland going - thank fupp for that.

There have been some waste of spaces at VP during the years but I'll lob him in to the Balaban, Collymore, Callaghan, Curcic pot of disastrous signings.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 03:17:12 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:10:38 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 03:05:56 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 02:50:28 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 02:36:21 PM

Wish Holman, Bannan, Ireland going and NZogbia out and clearly given a bomb squad number, surely an attacking mid of some sort is in the pipeline. Even a loan?

Our best form last season was with a flatter midfield three.  We've bought options to suppliment the attack, and change the shape of it if necessary, but the way we've been playing without an AM would suggest one isn't the priority some of us think it is. 

I think it is a priority, the links we've seen this summer show that it's something he's interested in, and he used Nzog in that role a fair few times.  I just think the specific requirements are very strict.  He wants someone who will give the work rate and defensive stability of Sylla but can also carry the ball and bring people in to play and score a few in the final 3rd.  The problem is you don't see many players like that, and the good ones (Iniesta, Lampard, Gotze) tend to be at the very big clubs.

That's pretty much exactly my opinion on it too - when I said 'some of us' I was including myself in that.

But Lambert's got a system where we can get away without one, so if and when he can get the next Iniesta or Lampard he'll do it, but won't buy one for the sake of it.

I agree, I think he's probably got his eye on a couple of people but just isn't convinced enough just yet.

This signing will be the most important one he makes for us as it's the player to turn draws into wins.  Those are the players that, like Bale, drag you into the CL mix.

I still think, considering age; style; attitude; price and availability, Will Hughes is the best choice but he is very young still and would command a pretty sizeable fee.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: villa kicks on September 02, 2013, 03:18:43 PM

The  Libor Kozak  signing is a great move another step forward and showing progession. International standard and having played at a top club Lazio wont be fazed in the premier league. I think he will develop a lethal record at Villa and provides genuine fire power to comliment our attacking triumvirate

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 03:20:23 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:04:56 PM

I've always said that Stoke are a great club. Never had a bad word to say about them.

and they have one of the best Managers in the business in charge. Surely after this Hughes next job is at Real Madrid.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 03:21:13 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on September 02, 2013, 03:18:43 PM

The  Libor Kozak  signing is a great move another step forward and showing progession. International standard and having played at a top club Lazio wont be fazed in the premier league. I think he will develop a lethal record at Villa and provides genuine fire power to comliment our attacking triumvirate

and all that from the subs bench. fantastic!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 03:27:07 PM

Quote from: villa kicks on September 02, 2013, 03:18:43 PM

The  Libor Kozak  signing is a great move another step forward and showing progession. International standard and having played at a top club Lazio wont be fazed in the premier league. I think he will develop a lethal record at Villa and provides genuine fire power to comliment our attacking triumvirate

Have you been playing Championship Manager again?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 03:29:06 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

I'm surprised Hughes never tried to take him to Fulham - would have done a good job in that side.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Pele said Paul Scholes was the best in the world.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:32:06 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Pele said Paul Scholes was the best in the world.

He might have been for 5 minutes

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:34:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Just because you're a player yourself doesn't mean you have great judgement on football.  Note all the good players who make shit managers and Dalgleish paying £35m for Andy Carroll.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on September 02, 2013, 03:35:58 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Pele said Paul Scholes was the best in the world.

Nicky Butt rather than Paul Scholes I believe. Which makes it all the worse.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:36:27 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:34:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Just because you're a player yourself doesn't mean you have great judgement on football.  Note all the good players who make shit managers and Dalgleish paying £35m for Andy Carroll.

nor me . I thought he would be ok for us . Im giving up on signings

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 03:37:03 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:34:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Just because you're a player yourself doesn't mean you have great judgement on football.  Note all the good players who make shit managers and Dalgleish paying £35m for Andy Carroll.

Agreed , two of our greatest players bobby Moore and bobby charlton were very poor managers .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on September 02, 2013, 03:37:50 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 03:35:58 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Pele said Paul Scholes was the best in the world.

Nicky Butt rather than Paul Scholes I believe. Which makes it all the worse.

Think you're right I have a feeling it may have been during the 2002 world cup.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:37:54 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 03:34:42 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Just because you're a player yourself doesn't mean you have great judgement on football.  Note all the good players who make shit managers and Dalgleish paying £35m for Andy Carroll.

Bellamy must have played with Gareth Bale too ..     

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 03:40:00 PM

Quote from: danno on September 02, 2013, 03:37:50 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 03:35:58 PM

Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 02, 2013, 03:29:11 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 03:28:00 PM

Always thought Hughes would want him . He actually played his best football under him.

Still amazed when they asked Craig Bellemy who is the best player you have ever played with , having been at Liverpool , Newcastle and the stars of Man city , he said   stephen  Ireland ;0

Pele said Paul Scholes was the best in the world.

Nicky Butt rather than Paul Scholes I believe. Which makes it all the worse.

Think you're right I have a feeling it may have been during the 2002 world cup.

He had an excellent tournament IIRC.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2013, 03:54:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Xavi also said Scholes was one of the best European midfielders ever. It's an absolute scandal that the inferior Gerrard and Lampard were chosen ahead of him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:58:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on September 02, 2013, 03:54:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Xavi also said Scholes was one of the best European midfielders ever. It's an absolute scandal that the inferior Gerrard and Lampard were chosen ahead of him.

Were they? Scholes was capped 66 times in 8 seasons before retiring from international football. That must be a pretty decent percentage of England games in that time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:58:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on September 02, 2013, 03:54:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Xavi also said Scholes was one of the best European midfielders ever. It's an absolute scandal that the inferior Gerrard and Lampard were chosen ahead of him.

Were they? Scholes was capped 66 times in 8 seasons before retiring from international football. That must be a pretty decent percentage of England games in that time.

wasnt he normally stuck out on the left to make way for those 2 ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2013, 04:02:32 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:58:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on September 02, 2013, 03:54:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Xavi also said Scholes was one of the best European midfielders ever. It's an absolute scandal that the inferior Gerrard and Lampard were chosen ahead of him.

Were they? Scholes was capped 66 times in 8 seasons before retiring from international football. That must be a pretty decent percentage of England games in that time.

wasnt he normally stuck out on the left to make way for those 2 ?

Exactly. Or, frankly, wasted in the brick-headed 4-4-2 England played for years.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 04:06:07 PM

Quote from: Montbert on September 02, 2013, 04:02:32 PM

Quote from: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 03:58:29 PM

Quote from: Montbert on September 02, 2013, 03:54:46 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 03:52:50 PM

Zidane said it about Scholes.

Xavi also said Scholes was one of the best European midfielders ever. It's an absolute scandal that the inferior Gerrard and Lampard were chosen ahead of him.

Were they? Scholes was capped 66 times in 8 seasons before retiring from international football. That must be a pretty decent percentage of England games in that time.

wasnt he normally stuck out on the left to make way for those 2 ?

Exactly. Or, frankly, wasted in the brick-headed 4-4-2 England played for years.

Yes an absolute scandal all told. A far superior player to both Fwank and StevieMe. And much less self absorbed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 04:07:17 PM

Him and Fat Fwank would have been my choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 04:11:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 04:07:17 PM

Him and Fat Fwank would have been my choice.

After 2004 - Gerrard should have been shunted to the right, Golden Bollocks dropped with Scholes and Hargreaves in the middle.

No England manager would have had the bottle to do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on September 02, 2013, 04:15:06 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 04:11:16 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 04:07:17 PM

Him and Fat Fwank would have been my choice.

After 2004 - Gerrard should have been shunted to the right, Golden Bollocks dropped with Scholes and Hargreaves in the middle.

No England manager would have had the bottle to do that.

Very true, just look at how the press reacted when Beckham was left out 3 years later.
Its been more of a popularity contest than a team for a long time now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2013, 04:18:27 PM

Hargreaves, Scholes and Lampard would have been a terrific and balanced midfield. Shame no England manager at the time had any balls whatsoever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 04:23:47 PM

I cant believe that on transfer deadline day we are reduced to discussing the 2004 England midfield line-uo

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 02, 2013, 04:25:04 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 04:23:47 PM

I cant believe that on transfer deadline day we are reduced to discussing the 2004 England midfield line-uo

I didn't care about England's team then and I care even less 10 years on....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 04:26:47 PM

I don't care about England.....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 04:29:08 PM

Any mix of lampard Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard with Hargreaves in a three would have worked really well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on September 02, 2013, 04:32:04 PM

Well, Ladbrokes are encouraging bets on Villa getting two players in today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Holte L2 on September 02, 2013, 04:33:33 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 04:26:47 PM

I don't care about England.....

They don't care about me.  All I care about is AVFC.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 04:34:22 PM

If Ireland does leave today I will elevate Mark Hughes to my second favourite manager behind Paul Lambert.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 04:35:28 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 04:34:22 PM

If Ireland does leave today I will elevate Mark Hughes to my second favourite manager behind Paul Lambert.

What about KKK giving us 20 Mil for rat fink ? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 02, 2013, 04:36:03 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 04:34:22 PM

If Ireland does leave today I will elevate Mark Hughes to my second favourite manager behind Paul Lambert.

3rd behind Lambert and Mick McCarthy

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 04:36:50 PM

Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 02, 2013, 04:34:22 PM

If Ireland does leave today I will elevate Mark Hughes to my second favourite manager behind Paul Lambert.

I know it's a negative, but I think this bit of business has warmed my heart more than any other this window, such is my disdain for this pleb.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on September 02, 2013, 04:37:49 PM

I've never liked Mark Hughes, but if he signs Ireland I'll change my mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 04:38:03 PM

Looks like shay and Hutton will be staying then as things stand .
Albion in for lee camp - i bought they might have fancied shay given due to fosters injury.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on September 02, 2013, 04:39:18 PM

Those two must be really hurting that they are less salable than Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 04:40:16 PM

Did someone mention Mick McCarthy?

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mick.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on September 02, 2013, 04:42:54 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 04:38:03 PM

Looks like shay and Hutton will be staying then as things stand .

Still a chance of Shay going to Liverpool apparently, though it might "go to the wire" as they say.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 04:44:29 PM

Mark Hughes is a ******.  If the deal goes through, he'll still be a ******, just the ****** that signed Stephen Ireland.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on September 02, 2013, 04:45:45 PM

He speaks very highly of you.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 04:49:39 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 04:44:29 PM

Mark Hughes is a c***.  If the deal goes through, he'll still be a c***, just the c*** that signed Stephen Ireland.

It's hard to disagree with this.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 04:52:05 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 04:44:29 PM

Mark Hughes is a c***.  If the deal goes through, he'll still be a c***, just the c*** that signed Stephen Ireland.

not on ones Christmas list then ? 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: not3bad on September 02, 2013, 04:53:55 PM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 02, 2013, 04:44:29 PM

Mark Hughes is a c***.  If the deal goes through, he'll still be a c***, just the c*** that signed Stephen Ireland.

The c*** that made us all smile today then! :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2013, 05:20:59 PM

not a done deal yet so he might  make us all look like c****

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 05:21:59 PM

Quote from: mr underhill on September 02, 2013, 05:20:59 PM

not a done deal yet so he might  make us all look like c****

Neither is bannan - really hoping both Ireland and bannan are gone in the next few hours.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TonyD on September 02, 2013, 05:45:33 PM

I think the team could do with a player that has an eye for the defence splitting pass - somebody like Bannan. I think he is a good player.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:47:17 PM

Ireland is Stoke player

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 05:47:22 PM

Ireland gone! :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 05:47:25 PM

YAY - SSN confirms Ireland has fucked off!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:47:39 PM

season year loan

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 05:48:12 PM

Let the party begin :)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:48:19 PM

so Bent and Ireland wages free us up , how much?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nirog72 on September 02, 2013, 05:48:28 PM

My Stoke supporting neighbour is particularly unhappy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldtimernow on September 02, 2013, 05:48:39 PM

good riddance

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:47:39 PM

season year loan

\it's effectively permanent as his contract ends next summer.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 05:49:18 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 05:47:25 PM

YAY - SSN confirms Ireland has fucked off!!

I don't think they put it in so few words!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on September 02, 2013, 05:49:37 PM

its Christmaaaaassss!   (well... not quite but still....)

fantastic news

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:50:19 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:47:39 PM

season year loan

\it's effectively permanent as his contract ends next summer.

lets get the party started ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 05:50:24 PM

Season long loan takes him to the end of his contract does it not.

Shay deserves a taker , come on please someone - its like a dogs home .

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Surrey Villain on September 02, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 05:48:19 PM

so Bent and Ireland wages free us up , how much?

Something like £120k a week or one-third of a Gareth Bale!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 05:51:10 PM

(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m22qkaAMJy1qk5ynno1_400.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Irish villain on September 02, 2013, 05:51:30 PM

Thank God that twat is gone

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Richie on September 02, 2013, 05:51:58 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 05:47:25 PM

YAY - SSN confirms Ireland has fucked off!!

This is on a par with Benteke signing a new contract in terms of greatness.

Good riddance. Go and fleece someone else.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on September 02, 2013, 05:53:30 PM

I bet we are still paying at least half his wages

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 05:54:51 PM

Quote from: Malandro on September 02, 2013, 05:53:30 PM

I bet we are still paying at least half his wages

You dirty party pooper :(

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Nev on September 02, 2013, 05:55:37 PM

I still can't believe we signed him in the first fuckin' place!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2013, 05:55:57 PM

Two members of the bomb squad shipped out, now we just need to sort the rest of them out. Hopefully like this:

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/5xSuperPunch.gif)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 05:56:37 PM

Fair do's, he has nice teeth

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2013, 05:56:38 PM

Quote from: TonyD on September 02, 2013, 05:45:33 PM

I think the team could do with a player that has an eye for the defence splitting pass - somebody like Bannan. I think he is a good player.

Now now, one man's humour is another man's trolling!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 05:57:53 PM

Quote from: Nev on September 02, 2013, 05:55:37 PM

I still can't believe we signed him in the first fuckin' place!

Not too many people were down about it at the time in fairness. Very pleased he's gone though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Dave on September 02, 2013, 05:59:14 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/babf402e-e88a-44ef-a231-21144e5dd21e_500.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 05:59:27 PM

Ahahahahahahaha

Altogether now..... Holding out for a Hiro

Do the decent thing Paul, make that Scottish twunt on SSN get his chops round KEY-O-TAKI !!!!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on September 02, 2013, 06:00:59 PM

Quote from: eastie on September 02, 2013, 05:54:51 PM

Quote from: Malandro on September 02, 2013, 05:53:30 PM

I bet we are still paying at least half his wages

You dirty party pooper :(

Don't be sad, he's gone!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 06:01:10 PM

This Kozak guy is apparently at the training ground now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 06:02:04 PM

Thought they might have had Hutton as well

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 06:04:05 PM

Ireland has gone. Rejoice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 06:05:45 PM

Be interesting to hear Stevie's interview. He's an idiot. He could have been our number 10 in the hole (yes, Mick) player we still need if only he had copped on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Steve R on September 02, 2013, 06:06:15 PM

Where's that Stokie that used to post on here?

I want to shag him.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 06:06:34 PM

If Given remains with us I don't think it would be all that bad. He could still be useful if Guzan got injured. Shay's a top pro, so if called upon he'd step up and give 110%. If Steer gets thrown into things he might sink rather than swim so having Given on our books still might be useful.

We can still loan him to champ sides after the window shuts.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2013, 06:08:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Rose on September 02, 2013, 06:06:15 PM

Where's that Stokie that used to post on here?

I want to shag him.

Bunny - you want to shag bunny ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 06:09:22 PM

Quote from: eamonn on September 02, 2013, 06:05:45 PM

Be interesting to hear Stevie's interview. He's an idiot. He could have been our number 10 in the hole (yes, Mick) player we still need if only he had copped on.

A shameful waste of talent. The thing is, in every off the field aspect like charity work, signings etc, Ireland was nothing short of exemplary. It's just a shame he doesn't have this natural love of football. He's got natural ability but not a deep love of the game most successful players have.
If Hughes can molly coddle Ireland as he did before and get the best out of him, he'll have himself a bargain. If not, then Ireland will drift down the leagues and it probably wouldn't bother him as much as it should.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

P.s.

Fuck off Ireland you wanker.

It was worth saying again.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: andyh on September 02, 2013, 06:10:43 PM

Training will be interesting with just 2 members of the bomb squad left.
I guess they'll just play 'long shots' or 'kerbies'.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 06:11:38 PM

Given gave a very good interview the other week, and was very us, we, great dressing room etc. He wanted to move to play, so being number 2 at Liverpool may not appeal to him.

Bannan and Ireland gone is great.

Would love to sneak in a Boubedouz at the last. Maybe even a cheeky Maloney.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:11:53 PM

Quote from: andyh on September 02, 2013, 06:10:43 PM

Training will be interesting with just 2 members of the bomb squad left.
I guess they'll just play 'long shots' or 'kerbies'.

Three and in will keep them happy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 06:12:11 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

P.s.

Fuck off Ireland you wanker.

It was worth saying again.

It's just as well he can't play against us because you know he'd score.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 02, 2013, 06:12:55 PM

Ireland, a supremely talented but spoilt and lazy ball conduit, will match uselessly with Stoke's excitable talentless thugs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 06:13:09 PM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 06:11:38 PM

Would love to sneak in a Boubedouz at the last. Maybe even a cheeky Maloney.

No chance, Whelan would have told the world by now.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:14:18 PM

How long before the wanker gives an interview bleating about how he just wants to play football and was never given a decent chance at the Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 06:14:28 PM

Kovak has signed

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tuscans on September 02, 2013, 06:15:11 PM

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3445778,00.html

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 02, 2013, 06:17:29 PM

Kovak is the new Clarke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:18:30 PM

We have a Kozak thread.

This thread is currently reserved for celebrating Ireland has gone and calling him a wanker.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 02, 2013, 06:19:25 PM

Ireland has gone? Great stuff. Bald headed fucking wastrel.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 06:19:56 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 06:12:11 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

P.s.

Fuck off Ireland you wanker.

It was worth saying again.

It's just as well he can't play against us because you know he'd score.

I wonder if Villa have negotiated a clause where he has to play against us ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 06:20:38 PM

He was a total fucking cock on the pitch. Great club rep off it though. Difficult to know which to go with. Cock or decent bloke off the pitch.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 06:21:08 PM

So what we reckon? One more sneaky one in perhaps? We're probably all done but 1 more would be nice.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 02, 2013, 06:23:28 PM

I think we really need a creative midfielder in. Highly unlikely now though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danlanza on September 02, 2013, 06:25:04 PM

To late i think. A few hours to go though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 02, 2013, 06:25:16 PM

Quote from: taylorsworkrate on September 02, 2013, 06:23:28 PM

I think we really need a creative midfielder in. Highly unlikely now though.

Being able to cling on to Alan 'crazy legs' Hutton is almost akin to a new signing.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chris87 on September 02, 2013, 06:26:38 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

I'm quite pleased with the Kozak signing too. Hopefully he can reproduce his Europa League form if he is playing regularly.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 02, 2013, 06:26:49 PM

I am sure we will find a Division 2 loan for Hutton in the next week or so.

He is welcome at Bodymoor as a turd in a cereal bowl.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 06:27:32 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 05:59:14 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/babf402e-e88a-44ef-a231-21144e5dd21e_500.jpg)

That is my new favourite photo.

Ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:28:34 PM

Worth remembering that including Herd, Johnson and Carruthers, we have 12 midfielders already on the books as professionals. Maybe Lambert is currently satisfied with what he has?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 06:29:06 PM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 06:19:56 PM

Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 06:12:11 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:07:58 PM

This is second only to the news Benteke had signed a new contract. I detest and have so much contempt for Ireland that I don't care if Stoke are only paying £50 of his weekly wages as long as that wanker is away from my club. Fuck off Ireland and good riddance. You won't be missed.

P.s.

Fuck off Ireland you wanker.

It was worth saying again.

It's just as well he can't play against us because you know he'd score.

I wonder if Villa have negotiated a clause where he has to play against us ?

Ha ha, good work John.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 06:29:18 PM

Kojak has taken the number 27 squad number....but we have no 26 or 23 - although I think that is effectively lowtons who chose to keep no 34.

Looks like we are still on the sniff for one more

HIRO

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 02, 2013, 06:31:46 PM

Really pleased that Ireland's gone. We should never have allowed Citeh to palm him off on us in the first place.  The way that we've been going about our business under Lambert would suggest that that sort of mistake won't be happening again anytime soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:32:26 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 06:29:18 PM

Kojak has taken the number 27 squad number....but we have no 26 or 23 - although I think that is effectively lowtons who chose to keep no 34.

Looks like we are still on the sniff for one more

HIRO

Or maybe he just likes that number out of the ones available?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 02, 2013, 06:35:21 PM

Good riddance to the fucking grannyless slaphead waster.  The biggest waste of skin at Villa Park that I can remember.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 06:42:22 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:28:34 PM

Worth remembering that including Herd, Johnson and Carruthers, we have 12 midfielders already on the books as professionals. Maybe Lambert is currently satisfied with what he has?

Johnson impressed me in pre season, I like the look of him. Carruthers has ability so hopefully he'll come back from loan all the better. Herdy always works his socks off and might feature intermittently.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paulcomben on September 02, 2013, 06:47:54 PM

Barry Bannan on SSN now. Good luck as an Eagle, Barry. And use London Transport after a wee bevvy.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Simba on September 02, 2013, 06:50:11 PM

What was his quote, something like ".... it is difficult coming from Manchester City to a Club like Aston Villa" well, you money grabbing, lazy ****, enjoy Stoke City.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:52:00 PM

We will never see Stephen Ireland in an Aston Villa shirt again. How fucking great is that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2013, 06:55:19 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:52:00 PM

We will never see Stephen Ireland in an Aston Villa shirt again. How fucking great is that?

About as good as it gets - can Hughes take Charles as well?!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 06:55:44 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 06:52:00 PM

We will never see Stephen Ireland in an Aston Villa shirt again. How fucking great is that?

To be fair that was true 6 months ago, it's just that we don't have to see the waster on the squad list any more now

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2013, 07:05:16 PM

I hope we aren't paying Ireland's wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 02, 2013, 07:06:33 PM

Just Alan Hutton to go then by my reckoning and that's all the wastes of skin & oxygen gone?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: KevinGage on September 02, 2013, 07:11:34 PM

Quote from: TopDeck113 on September 02, 2013, 06:31:46 PM

Really pleased that Ireland's gone. We should never have allowed Citeh to palm him off on us in the first place.  The way that we've been going about our business under Lambert would suggest that that sort of mistake won't be happening again anytime soon.

In fairness it was a deal that made sense at the time. 

There was always a risk, based on his general weirdness that the move wouldn't come off.  But that side (the 2010 vintage) was crying out for someone who could do something different, who could play between the forward line and the midfield and give us a different dimension, rather than banging the ball out wide for the whole time.

His time with us hasn't been a complete disaster, not by any stretch.  He was man of the match in one of his first full games for us in 2010 (Chelsea at home, I think) and he hit a decent standard of form in McPish's Horrible Anus of a year.  Not sure he deserved player of the year, but in fairness there wasn't a huge amount of competition. 

Even as recently as Man U at home last November he looked in good nick, but -in truth- he never delivered what was ultimately expected: Goals and assists.   He looked neat and tidy in possession, but the cutting edge was rarely there. 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 07:17:45 PM

I don't mind you lot slagging off Ireland but can we please have less of the "baldest" insults  ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: walsall villain on September 02, 2013, 07:17:54 PM

Ireland deal never made sense at the time to me. As I recall MON had gone and we weren't sure who was to be the new full time manager.
So taking a player as part of the Milner deal who hadn't apparently identified by our new manager was daft.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2013, 07:18:22 PM

I think Ireland blew it for Lambert at the Bradford home game. I think he asked him to run the game and all he did was hide... I think once you cross Lambert that's it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 07:22:36 PM

Was it against Hereford that Ireland looked like he'd actually remembered how to play football ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 07:27:48 PM

Quote from: London Villan on September 02, 2013, 07:18:22 PM

I think Ireland blew it for Lambert at the Bradford home game. I think he asked him to run the game and all he did was hide... I think once you cross Lambert that's it.

Yep I think you're right, he didn't look interested that game and wasn't picked at all after that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 05:59:14 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/babf402e-e88a-44ef-a231-21144e5dd21e_500.jpg)

Fantastic and he looks rather fetching.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: oldham_villa on September 02, 2013, 08:05:24 PM

I think (if memory serves me correct), he was subbed in that game too. How embarrassing!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 08:06:21 PM

Quote from: Nev on September 02, 2013, 05:55:37 PM

I still can't believe we signed him in the first fuckin' place!

Faulkner's biggest foul up ever.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 08:53:10 PM

Given now NOT going to Liverpool on loan.

Just him, Hutton an NZog left on the shelves....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 08:57:24 PM

NZogbia, I hope, is not bombed from the squad when fit again. He is both too good, and too useful. He played really well for Lambert from Christmas onwards and we have no one better in that attacking midfield role. There is no news at all how long he is out though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 02, 2013, 09:03:15 PM

Achilles is usually 5-6 months at the least so certainly long term and I don't expect him back until xmas. I too thought he would be a squad option this season but getting that low squad number does seem to me that the writing is on the wall for him.

God forbid but say Benteke got injured for a few months, we wouldn't have stripped him of 20 and given him 55 or something.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2013, 09:05:06 PM

Given's off to Liverpool apparantley.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 09:05:11 PM

Quote from: IFWaters on September 02, 2013, 08:53:10 PM

Given now NOT going to Liverpool on loan.

Just him, Hutton an NZog left on the shelves....

TalkSport saying Given has gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mazrim on September 02, 2013, 09:05:59 PM

You need to spell official if you're going to wind up. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 09:06:48 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Not real you spoon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:08:42 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 09:06:48 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Not real you spoon.

Haha Just noticed Doh !

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: RossLeach on September 02, 2013, 09:09:46 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Good signing....extra letters on the back of each shirt sold. Bent out, Chimbonda in is a 5 letter net win!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on September 02, 2013, 09:15:32 PM

Can't understand people wanting Charles N'Zog out - still can play the AM role when fit. Wish him a speedy recovery...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 09:15:52 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:08:42 PM

Quote from: Chipsticks on September 02, 2013, 09:06:48 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Not real you spoon.

Haha Just noticed Doh !

Deadline Day does mad things to a man's perception of what's crap and what's gospel my friend ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: johnny from donny on September 02, 2013, 09:21:13 PM

Quote from: RossLeach on September 02, 2013, 09:09:46 PM

Quote from: VillaAlways on September 02, 2013, 09:04:46 PM

@AVFCOfficail: Pascal Chimbonda has signed a short term deal with the club #AVFC #DeadlineDay

Good signing....extra letters on the back of each shirt sold. Bent out, Chimbonda in is a 5 letter net win!

He did prefer signing on fees to loyalty bonuses, Willie McKay made so much money from him he named a racehorse after him

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 09:22:43 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on September 02, 2013, 09:15:32 PM

Can't understand people wanting Charles N'Zog out - still can play the AM role when fit. Wish him a speedy recovery...

probably why Lambert has not bought one

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2013, 09:24:09 PM

Sounds like Stoke are paying some of Ireland's wage and we are still paying the remainder... At least it's a start. Has it got 1 or 2 years left on his contract?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: NiiLamptey on September 02, 2013, 09:25:01 PM

Thought given would have gone... Surprised arsenal haven't had him for a start but wenger seems intent on making his current donkey work!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 09:27:47 PM

I'd be happy to give Zoggy one last shot. He's tried since Lambo came in. He did okay last season, though I think our system didn't quite work with him in, because it became almost a 4-4-2.
He's not really had a good run playing on the flank, which is his favoured position. He's best on the right hand side, cutting inside and I believe that's his preferred position.
There could be a place for Zog when he returns, but it's last chance saloon. Had he not been injured I think we may have sold him. He's got to come back and score goals and he's got to get more assists. I think last season he had 3 goals and 4 assists in 21 odd games. Comparatively to other midfielders here that's not bad but it's not good enough for someone of his ability.

For me part of Zog's problem last term was Lambert. I don't think he quite figured where to fit him in. The place he's best suited for is either Gabby or Wiemann's spot, wide of Benteke. Zog can play that AM role but we need two top class CM's behind him. Delph and Westy are playing well but I still don't think they're good enough as a two man. We need that extra body in there, be it Sylla, KEA or Bacuna.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:29:43 PM

Quote from: NiiLamptey on September 02, 2013, 09:25:01 PM

Thought given would have gone... Surprised arsenal haven't had him for a start but wenger seems intent on making his current donkey work!

I thought that Arse had brought in another keeper from Italy today

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 09:30:05 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 05:59:14 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/babf402e-e88a-44ef-a231-21144e5dd21e_500.jpg)

Fantastic and he looks rather fetching.
[/quote
He looks like what he is. A annoying smug knobhead

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 02, 2013, 09:30:53 PM

Nail on the head Tom.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on September 02, 2013, 09:31:49 PM

Be glad when window closes! All those irritating juvenile pricks pulling faces/gesturing outside the stadiums/training grounds on SSN!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on September 02, 2013, 09:33:11 PM

Shit The goalscorer is going back to the stripy filth.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 09:33:22 PM

Collymore raving about Villa's transfer dealings done early on TS,
I also loved it when he said earlier ' i'm not anti Man utd i'm not pro Man utd i'm only pro Aston Villa'

PWS feel free to redress the balance

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on September 02, 2013, 09:35:54 PM

Love the OS.
Steven Ireland has signed for Stoke City for the rest of the season.
Don't forget to get your tickets for the Newcastle United game.
Short and to the point.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 09:39:18 PM

It's all we tend to do when a player leaves. I find it amusing that it could be interpested that the second they leave they are dead to the club. No thank yous or anything. Just, they've gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2013, 09:45:56 PM

It will be another year of semi retirement in Stokes midfield watching the ball sail over his head, good riddance.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on September 02, 2013, 09:47:29 PM

Quote from: rob_bridge on September 02, 2013, 09:30:05 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Dave on September 02, 2013, 05:59:14 PM

(http://images.scribblelive.com/2013/9/2/babf402e-e88a-44ef-a231-21144e5dd21e_500.jpg)

Fantastic and he looks rather fetching.
[/quote
He looks like what he is. A annoying smug knobhead

If anyone deserves to be booed on their return after leaving, it's this c***.

He's taken us for a proper ride. How can someone earn that much and be very, very talented, but just not give a shit and not be bothered to even try. Twat.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the positive side, that has to be regarded as the best bit of transfer business completed in this window. Thanks Stoke!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on September 02, 2013, 09:49:12 PM

Nice bit of timber at the back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: supertom on September 02, 2013, 09:53:31 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not until we've hijacked Arsenals Ozil deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Somniloquism on September 02, 2013, 09:53:38 PM

So we got rid of someone who looks like Kojak and signed someone whose name is almost Kojak. Do you reckon Birmingham Marketing teams will get one of them to soundtrack an up to date "Look at Birmingham"?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:54:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not before you buy me a meal or at least take me to a movie

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:55:48 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:54:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not before you buy me a meal or at least take me to a movie

But I've got a certain Russian tennis player waiting for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 09:56:25 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:54:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not before you buy me a meal or at least take me to a movie

brilliant

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 09:56:36 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:54:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not before you buy me a meal or at least take me to a movie

Are you cheating on me?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:58:37 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:55:48 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 02, 2013, 09:54:04 PM

Quote from: peter w on September 02, 2013, 09:49:21 PM

So, we can go to bed now?

Not before you buy me a meal or at least take me to a movie

But I've got a certain Russian tennis player waiting for us.

Knowing my luck it would be Marat Safin

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:06:25 PM

remember the last transfer window, when it was about this time every post had the word doomed in it

how times have changed, and how quickly

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2013, 10:16:37 PM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:06:25 PM

remember the last transfer window, when it was about this time every post had the word doomed in it

how times have changed, and how quickly

Just texted the same to my mate, we can sit back and watch and enjoy the farce that it is, now that we sign players in June.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 10:22:53 PM

Quote from: john e on September 02, 2013, 10:06:25 PM

remember the last transfer window, when it was about this time every post had the word doomed in it

how times have changed, and how quickly

A year ago we learnt that Benteke was the new Balaban/Heskey/Harewood and was worth a million tops.

Or if you mean the January window then we were going to be relegated bottom of the league without winning another game again.

Isn't it ace to as this window closes to know that we are fine and continuing to move forward.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2013, 10:31:10 PM

Quote from: bertlambshank on September 02, 2013, 09:49:12 PM

Nice bit of timber at the back.

I noticed that, looks like it was taken in some skanky little transport office.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt Collins on September 02, 2013, 10:32:00 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 09:22:43 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on September 02, 2013, 09:15:32 PM

Can't understand people wanting Charles N'Zog out - still can play the AM role when fit. Wish him a speedy recovery...

probably why Lambert has not bought one

Giving him a squad number of about 37 suggests his days are numbered. I think it must be something behind the scenes. He was playing pretty well I thought, after xmas.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on September 02, 2013, 10:35:07 PM

Quote from: Villafirst on September 02, 2013, 09:15:32 PM

Can't understand people wanting Charles N'Zog out - still can play the AM role when fit. Wish him a speedy recovery...

My thoughts also, I think he's thrive given a run in that role.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Leighton on September 02, 2013, 10:57:13 PM

It's approaching 11pm. Remember Salifou timing? Blimey, I'm happy we have moved on.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 02, 2013, 11:00:34 PM

sky sports news playing a old VCR there of big ben - tight fuckers

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 11:03:19 PM

It's all well and good saying nzogbia played well but we didn't actually win many games with him in.  Which has always been my issue with him, decent player but plays for himself not the team.  Now that'd be ok if he was scoring 10-15 and getting a similar number of assists (I know the concept of assists when you're playing for yourself might sound strange but go with it) but  his output since he joined us just isn't good enough.  He's definitely part of the bomb squad and I fully approve of him being there.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on September 02, 2013, 11:06:12 PM

Was he this injured at Wigan? I can't remember him getting a run of games.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: thick_mike on September 02, 2013, 11:07:25 PM

We'll have to wait a while to boo Ireland. We should allow Stoke to play him against us just so that we can boo him...just like Fergie did when he played Bosnich for his third team against us in the League Cup! (Anyone remember that?)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2013, 11:08:42 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 11:03:19 PM

It's all well and good saying nzogbia played well but we didn't actually win many games with him in.  Which has always been my issue with him, decent player but plays for himself not the team.  Now that'd be ok if he was scoring 10-15 and getting a similar number of assists (I know the concept of assists when you're playing for yourself might sound strange but go with it) but  his output since he joined us just isn't good enough.  He's definitely part of the bomb squad and I fully approve of him being there.

He also rarely plays a whole game and has to come off around the 70 minute mark if he started. Probably doesn't have the pace and fitness that Lambert is looking for (2 things which often come with youth).

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 02, 2013, 11:09:15 PM

Do we know about given?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Doorbell on September 02, 2013, 11:11:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 11:03:19 PM

It's all well and good saying nzogbia played well but we didn't actually win many games with him in.  Which has always been my issue with him, decent player but plays for himself not the team.  Now that'd be ok if he was scoring 10-15 and getting a similar number of assists (I know the concept of assists when you're playing for yourself might sound strange but go with it) but  his output since he joined us just isn't good enough.  He's definitely part of the bomb squad and I fully approve of him being there.

None of our players performed well under he who shall not be named, many were writing Gabby off a year ago, he's come back to his former self.  I think N'zog, could do well under Lambert, with an injury free run and licence to actually attack, I think he'd start to enjoy his football and perform for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheSandman on September 02, 2013, 11:13:40 PM

Championship clubs can make signings/loans still, can't they? Our best hope for Hutton and Given.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sunny Villa on September 02, 2013, 11:15:35 PM

Sorry , used goods , get rid .   

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 11:17:55 PM

Quote from: Doorbell on September 02, 2013, 11:11:34 PM

Quote from: paul_e on September 02, 2013, 11:03:19 PM

It's all well and good saying nzogbia played well but we didn't actually win many games with him in.  Which has always been my issue with him, decent player but plays for himself not the team.  Now that'd be ok if he was scoring 10-15 and getting a similar number of assists (I know the concept of assists when you're playing for yourself might sound strange but go with it) but  his output since he joined us just isn't good enough.  He's definitely part of the bomb squad and I fully approve of him being there.

None of our players performed well under he who shall not be named, many were writing Gabby off a year ago, he's come back to his former self.  I think N'zog, could do well under Lambert, with an injury free run and licence to actually attack, I think he'd start to enjoy his football and perform for us.

I don't see it, even before we signed him his only really good performances came when Wigan were dead in the water and they all played for him to be their hero.  I just can't see him ever fitting in with a squad who all work for each other.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 11:20:17 PM

As we said, zero chance Benteke was leaving today.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 02, 2013, 11:24:31 PM

Quote from: PeterWithesShin on September 02, 2013, 11:20:17 PM

As we said, zero chance Benteke was leaving today.

never in doubt, always said that
theres a lot of twatish bedwetters about  :-[

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 03, 2013, 12:18:18 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I think N'Zog will still have a big part to play once he is healthy again. He adds something different and provides additional depth on the bench. He hasn't played yet so he's kind of a new signing...I suppose

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bertlambshank on September 03, 2013, 12:24:46 AM

What's this twatter rumour about Albion wanting him on loan.How many players go on loan who are injured?
Even MON wouldn't do that.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Matt C on September 03, 2013, 12:29:46 AM

N'Zogbia could still do a job for us I reckon, needs to delver this year though.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Sunny Villa on September 03, 2013, 01:56:19 AM

cannot see for the life of me where NZOG would fit in ,   just look at PL recent dealings ,

Age , reliability , work ethic .    the latter Nzog has never really displayed .

his injury in Miami about says it all . 

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Ian. on September 03, 2013, 07:22:51 AM

Quote from: bertlambshank on September 03, 2013, 12:24:46 AM

What's this twatter rumour about Albion wanting him on loan.How many players go on loan who are injured?
Even MON wouldn't do that.

TSM loaned that fella from Spurs, he might not have been injured during the 20 minutes it took to sign the paperwork but he has been injured for the last 10 years.

Didn't MON spend £10 Million on Downing who had a broken leg? A bit different than a loan but still a huge gamble.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:55:36 AM

Quote from: Ian J on September 03, 2013, 07:22:51 AM

Quote from: bertlambshank on September 03, 2013, 12:24:46 AM

What's this twatter rumour about Albion wanting him on loan.How many players go on loan who are injured?
Even MON wouldn't do that.

TSM loaned that fella from Spurs, he might not have been injured during the 20 minutes it took to sign the paperwork but he has been injured for the last 10 years.

Didn't MON spend £10 Million on Downing who had a broken leg? A bit different than a loan but still a huge gamble.

Broken ankle - inflicted on him by our Stylian.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: rob_bridge on September 03, 2013, 08:02:14 AM

Quote from: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

Agree - can't seem him fitting in. Look at how much work Gabby and Weimann put in each game. CNZ doesn;t do that in 3 months. I think he may have been placed in the bomb squad but for the injury

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:08:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does TF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times and it just summons up the devil for me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: TheMalandro on September 03, 2013, 08:14:56 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:08:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does TF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times and it just summons up the devil for me.

I just guessed at titty f**k

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: lovejoy on September 03, 2013, 08:18:50 AM

Transfer Fenetre?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Colhint on September 03, 2013, 08:36:33 AM

or Fenestra if you did Latin

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

Quote from: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

Quote from: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

The issue there is that we don't play in a way that suits someone playing in that role.  As I said last night, he did well when Wigan had nothing else to lose and set their team up to suit him, we're never going to do that because we have so many good attacking players that there's no need and it would almost certainly have a negative effect on our results.  He will never fit in to the squad we're building, if we can get anything for him we should take it.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:55:17 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 03, 2013, 08:14:56 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:08:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does TF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times and it just summons up the devil for me.

I just guessed at titty f**k

A nice thought. Is this what you mean olaftab? Or one of the more refined suggestions?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 03, 2013, 09:10:35 AM

Can anyone confirm whether shay given has gone or not ?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 09:11:55 AM

Quote from: eastie on September 03, 2013, 09:10:35 AM

Can anyone confirm whether shay given has gone or not ?

Not gone.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on September 03, 2013, 09:13:12 AM

Quote from: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 09:11:55 AM

Quote from: eastie on September 03, 2013, 09:10:35 AM

Can anyone confirm whether shay given has gone or not ?

Not gone.

Cheers pal.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 09:16:52 AM

Liverpool wouldn't pay all of his wages so loan didn't happen. I guess they were haggling over the percentages but time ran out to make a deal. Makes me wonder if Stoke is paying all of Ireland's wages if we wanted that from Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

The issue there is that we don't play in a way that suits someone playing in that role.  As I said last night, he did well when Wigan had nothing else to lose and set their team up to suit him, we're never going to do that because we have so many good attacking players that there's no need and it would almost certainly have a negative effect on our results.  He will never fit in to the squad we're building, if we can get anything for him we should take it.

On the contrary, I think that the role I was describing is essentially the one performed by Gabby and Andi. TSM played a flatter formation lying deep, meaning Zog started on or behind the halfway line, out on the touchline and had to beat one or two defenders before getting anywhere near the box and most of the time he had nobody to link up with anyway. Whereas under Lambert, both Weimann and Gabby have the licence to play further forward and make diagonal runs towards the box, using Benteke as a fulcrum to create space. I think that is exactly what Zog is best at and there's no reason he can't provide solid competition for Weimann, cutting in from the right channel on his left foot.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 10:29:24 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

The issue there is that we don't play in a way that suits someone playing in that role.  As I said last night, he did well when Wigan had nothing else to lose and set their team up to suit him, we're never going to do that because we have so many good attacking players that there's no need and it would almost certainly have a negative effect on our results.  He will never fit in to the squad we're building, if we can get anything for him we should take it.

On the contrary, I think that the role I was describing is essentially the one performed by Gabby and Andi. TSM played a flatter formation lying deep, meaning Zog started on or behind the halfway line, out on the touchline and had to beat one or two defenders before getting anywhere near the box and most of the time he had nobody to link up with anyway. Whereas under Lambert, both Weimann and Gabby have the licence to play further forward and make diagonal runs towards the box, using Benteke as a fulcrum to create space. I think that is exactly what Zog is best at and there's no reason he can't provide solid competition for Weimann, cutting in from the right channel on his left foot.

I think the problem with N'Zogbia is that he doesn't track back and his workrate is much lower than Gabby's or Weimann's. Unfortunately a lot of the creative flair players are like that, and those kind of players who works much harder and tracks back like Gabby are rare and will cost a pretty penny.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:55:17 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 03, 2013, 08:14:56 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:08:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does TF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times and it just summons up the devil for me.

I just guessed at titty f**k

A nice thought. Is this what you mean olaftab? Or one of the more refined suggestions?

I have just seen this at work and Malandro's explanation has sent me in a spin as a few minutes ago I was having a water cooler conversation with a colleague and she is "dressed for summer"...
Anyway Percy TF is an error I meant to say TW as in transfer window!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 10:34:36 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

I am pleased  N'Zog is still with us. We need players like him on the bench. I saw him destroy tesco bags away last season. If he can play like that he will provide a huge threat to opponents.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on September 03, 2013, 10:36:38 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 10:31:28 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:55:17 AM

Quote from: Malandro on September 03, 2013, 08:14:56 AM

Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2013, 08:08:00 AM

Quote from: olaftab on September 02, 2013, 11:07:59 PM

An excellent TF for AVFC. Very pleased with work done by Lambert and Faulkner. One thing is clear that neither  ITK here or elsewhere or media are going to guess what Paul Lambert will do in the market. He knows and has good scouting support to pick players without anyone getting a sniff. Even our eastie has struggled!
Well done Villa.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does TF stand for? I've seen it a couple of times and it just summons up the devil for me.

I just guessed at titty f**k

A nice thought. Is this what you mean olaftab? Or one of the more refined suggestions?

I have just seen this at work and Malandro's explanation has sent me in a spin as a few minutes ago I was having a water cooler conversation with a colleague and she is "dressed for summer"...
Anyway Percy TF is an error I meant to say TW as in transfer window!

I'm glad we've cleared that up. Although for me, we have just gone from titty f**k to titty w**k.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 10:37:06 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

Quote from: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

Disagree, actually.  I think both TSM and PL have tried CNZ in a fe wpositions and he has - frankly - remained unconvincing in all.
He is flaky, IMHO - and not suitable for where we're going.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 03, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

So do we think Shay might go out on loan to a lower league club this week?  Seems a real waste of talent him not even being on the bench for us.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: bobdylan on September 03, 2013, 10:55:49 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on September 03, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

So do we think Shay might go out on loan to a lower league club this week?  Seems a real waste of talent him not even being on the bench for us.

Also Hutton, even if we have to pay most of their wages they will be more saleable/lettable in Jan or next Summer with some games under their belts I'd say, especially as they would not be playing for a league rival of ours.

Also looking at our squad now we have 21 players excluding Albrighton, Bowery, Gardner and Herd, so I wonder if we might loan a couple of these guys out also as not being in Europe I don't think we need a 25 man squad.  We also possibly have N'Zog to return after injury to boost the no.'s if required.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 03, 2013, 11:06:11 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

The issue there is that we don't play in a way that suits someone playing in that role.  As I said last night, he did well when Wigan had nothing else to lose and set their team up to suit him, we're never going to do that because we have so many good attacking players that there's no need and it would almost certainly have a negative effect on our results.  He will never fit in to the squad we're building, if we can get anything for him we should take it.

On the contrary, I think that the role I was describing is essentially the one performed by Gabby and Andi. TSM played a flatter formation lying deep, meaning Zog started on or behind the halfway line, out on the touchline and had to beat one or two defenders before getting anywhere near the box and most of the time he had nobody to link up with anyway. Whereas under Lambert, both Weimann and Gabby have the licence to play further forward and make diagonal runs towards the box, using Benteke as a fulcrum to create space. I think that is exactly what Zog is best at and there's no reason he can't provide solid competition for Weimann, cutting in from the right channel on his left foot.

The problem with N'Zogbia was that he didn't wait for the ball before cutting in and just went on a wander, never holding his position.  As Jarpie said, tracking back is also an issue.

A lot was made of Lambert's comments about 'traditional wingers' a while back, but in many respects I think that was misunderstood.  The style now is not to have two wingers getting chalk on their boots and crossing to a striker, but rather once they get the ball they drive inwards and link up.  This is partly to create space for the modern fullbacks overlapping.  That means you do have width in the side off the ball, but then do different things with it once they recieve the ball.  And as I said, Charlie doesn't wait wide to get the ball, so we'd be a bit of a lopsided mess with him in for Gabby or Weiamnn.

Lambert had it right playing him centrally behind Benteke and that's how I'd use him when he's fit again, probably as an option from the bench if we need to change the shape of the midfield three.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 03, 2013, 11:09:03 AM

Quote from: bobdylan on September 03, 2013, 10:55:49 AM

Quote from: Duncan Shaw on September 03, 2013, 10:43:31 AM

So do we think Shay might go out on loan to a lower league club this week?  Seems a real waste of talent him not even being on the bench for us.

Also Hutton, even if we have to pay most of their wages they will be more saleable/lettable in Jan or next Summer with some games under their belts I'd say, especially as they would not be playing for a league rival of ours.

Also looking at our squad now we have 21 players excluding Albrighton, Bowery, Gardner and Herd, so I wonder if we might loan a couple of these guys out also as not being in Europe I don't think we need a 25 man squad.  We also possibly have N'Zog to return after injury to boost the no.'s if required.

What gets me about Given was he was going to Liverpool to be number three - what's the point of that?  Surely he'd only want to move in order to go up the pecking order and be 1st or 2nd choice?

I think Bowery will be out on loan soon.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2013, 11:24:02 AM

Quote from: Concrete John on September 03, 2013, 11:06:11 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 10:03:21 AM

Quote from: paul_e on September 03, 2013, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: SamTheMouse on September 03, 2013, 08:37:42 AM

TSM - like other managers before him - never played him in the role where he's most effective. He's tended to get stuck out wide, whereas his unplayable spell at Wigan saw him play in the channels or even centrally, attacking the space behind the forward and driving into the box. A run of games in that position might see us get the best from him finally.

The issue there is that we don't play in a way that suits someone playing in that role.  As I said last night, he did well when Wigan had nothing else to lose and set their team up to suit him, we're never going to do that because we have so many good attacking players that there's no need and it would almost certainly have a negative effect on our results.  He will never fit in to the squad we're building, if we can get anything for him we should take it.

On the contrary, I think that the role I was describing is essentially the one performed by Gabby and Andi. TSM played a flatter formation lying deep, meaning Zog started on or behind the halfway line, out on the touchline and had to beat one or two defenders before getting anywhere near the box and most of the time he had nobody to link up with anyway. Whereas under Lambert, both Weimann and Gabby have the licence to play further forward and make diagonal runs towards the box, using Benteke as a fulcrum to create space. I think that is exactly what Zog is best at and there's no reason he can't provide solid competition for Weimann, cutting in from the right channel on his left foot.

The problem with N'Zogbia was that he didn't wait for the ball before cutting in and just went on a wander, never holding his position.  As Jarpie said, tracking back is also an issue.

A lot was made of Lambert's comments about 'traditional wingers' a while back, but in many respects I think that was misunderstood.  The style now is not to have two wingers getting chalk on their boots and crossing to a striker, but rather once they get the ball they drive inwards and link up.  This is partly to create space for the modern fullbacks overlapping.  That means you do have width in the side off the ball, but then do different things with it once they recieve the ball.  And as I said, Charlie doesn't wait wide to get the ball, so we'd be a bit of a lopsided mess with him in for Gabby or Weiamnn.

Lambert had it right playing him centrally behind Benteke and that's how I'd use him when he's fit again, probably as an option from the bench if we need to change the shape of the midfield three.

I like your thoughts re: wingers John, it puts me in mind of the cup game at Norwich last season.

In that game, I think two of the goals came from periods when we we're camped outside Norwich's box, switching the ball left to right and back again. Eventually, we got the full back in room to cross, and the defenders who had been ball watching for a couple of minutes were static, had lost the players they'd picked up when the attack started, and Weimann tapped in a couple of easy finishes.

It gives me hope that we'll be able to find our way through the park-the-bus merchants this season.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: fredm on September 03, 2013, 12:36:32 PM

Now the window has shut and Given and Hutton are still with us and on the payroll, would it be beneficial to all if we loaned them to a lower league club, eg Walsall or similar, and not expect any fee/wage for them?

We have to pay them if they are sat on their backsides anyway so couldn't we pick up a bit of goodwill and also keep them match fit so we maybe can shift them in January?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: spk on September 03, 2013, 12:43:59 PM

seems like a no brainer to me.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: hartman_1982 on September 03, 2013, 12:49:09 PM

Quote from: fredm on September 03, 2013, 12:36:32 PM

Now the window has shut and Given and Hutton are still with us and on the payroll, would it be beneficial to all if we loaned them to a lower league club, eg Walsall or similar, and not expect any fee/wage for them?

We have to pay them if they are sat on their backsides anyway so couldn't we pick up a bit of goodwill and also keep them match fit so we maybe can shift them in January?

Or we could loan them to a Championship club that will pay a percentage of their wages?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Gareth on September 03, 2013, 12:58:44 PM

The likes of Wigan / Forest / Leicester / QPR / Reading have plenty of cash to pluck a few loans from Prem squads over the next few weeks - sure Hutton will find a home until Xmas - Given might have to wait until a Championship club has a first choice keeper injured and needs an emergency first choice.

Got no real problem with Hutton, he has at least shown willingness to get out and play games - wonder if Given has the same desire to play?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 01:20:48 PM

I'm a bit surprised that we couldn't find takers for Hutton but unfortunately none of the mid-/bottom half teams in PL needed right backs.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Concrete John on September 03, 2013, 01:25:43 PM

Quote from: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 01:20:48 PM

I'm a bit surprised that we couldn't find takers for Hutton but unfortunately none of the mid-/bottom half teams in PL Championship needed right backs.

Fixed.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Villafirst on September 03, 2013, 01:46:05 PM

It's about time the January 2014 Transfer Window thread started..........?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

Deadline for Turkey is Christmas Day.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: danno on September 03, 2013, 01:56:07 PM

After seeing him play OK against England, I was quite hopeful of Hutton going.
For his own sake really, I know he's very well paid, but his career won't be up to much if he sees out the rest of
his contract in our reserve team.

Has Luke Young reappeared since QPR left him out of their 25 man squad list last year?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 01:58:09 PM

Quote from: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 01:20:48 PM

I'm a bit surprised that we couldn't find takers for Hutton but unfortunately none of the mid-/bottom half teams in PL needed right backs.

Ahaaa you see the great thing about Hutton is that he is very versatile.  He can play in any position on the pitch and be just as effective as he is at right back.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: stubbsyandy on September 03, 2013, 02:02:54 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

Deadline for Turkey is Christmas Day.

Excellent! ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 03, 2013, 02:40:32 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

I have a feeling that Russia had different dates. Didn't someone like Zenit sign Arshavin off Arsenal after our window had closed in the past?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: glasses on September 03, 2013, 02:51:25 PM

Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on September 03, 2013, 02:40:32 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

I have a feeling that Russia had different dates. Didn't someone like Zenit sign Arshavin off Arsenal after our window had closed in the past?

Yeah, that rings a bell, was it last year? Ironic that Arsenal signed him after the deadline in 2009 too!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Miguelito on September 03, 2013, 02:58:18 PM

Has Luke Young reappeared since QPR left him out of their 25 man squad list last year?
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According to the wise world of Wikipedia he is still at QPR and has a contract until the end of this season...

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: john e on September 03, 2013, 04:20:18 PM

at least if we make it to the league cup semis again and come up against a shitty 2 division side,
we have got even more big fuckers to throw on in the last 30 mins

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on September 03, 2013, 04:45:31 PM

We should gone for swap deal with Harry for Luke Young for Alan Hutton.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: LeeB on September 03, 2013, 06:15:20 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on September 03, 2013, 04:45:31 PM

We should gone for swap deal with Harry for Luke Young for Alan Hutton.

Why in the name of fuck would we do that?

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:05 PM

Quote from: LeeB on September 03, 2013, 06:15:20 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on September 03, 2013, 04:45:31 PM

We should gone for swap deal with Harry for Luke Young for Alan Hutton.

Why in the name of fuck would we do that?

Yeah, especially when Phil Bardsely is probably available.  ::)

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 03, 2013, 06:50:03 PM

Quote from: olaftab on September 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM

Quote from: UK Redsox on September 03, 2013, 01:16:51 PM

Don't some countries still have different deadline days ? (for some reason Turkey springs to mind)

Deadline for Turkey is Christmas Day.

This is quite good olaf.
:D

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eric woolban woolban on September 03, 2013, 06:51:39 PM

Quote from: Jarpie on September 03, 2013, 01:20:48 PM

I'm a bit surprised that we couldn't find takers for Hutton but unfortunately none of the mid-/bottom half teams in PL needed right backs.

Scotland play Belgium on Friday.  Hutton be rough with anyone but Benteke.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eamonn on September 03, 2013, 07:03:41 PM

Speaking of Lukes and Turkey, has the boy Moore gone there? Das Vass could give him some helpful tips about Turkish life.

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Mister E on September 03, 2013, 07:58:27 AM

Quote from: Louzie0 on September 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM

Quote from: ozzjim on September 02, 2013, 11:32:30 PM

I still think that I would prefer NZogbia coming on with half an hour to go than anyone we have really to make something happen.

I hope he comes back from his injury in that kind of form and with the need to prove that he can be that kind of game-changing player. I like him as well.

My problem with Charles, Louise, is that he has only rarely shown the consistently-high levels of play for which he is known. For around 6 months at Wigan he was almost unplayable .... but not much either side of that, IMO.
I personally think TSM bought him because he could (not having been able to at The Other Place) rather than because he was the right player for us at the time.

Gosh the thread has really moved on today!  Just wanted to acknowledge your reply, Mister E.
I see that other far more erudite posters than me have developed this issue of whether he will be a game-changing player and where he might play to achieve this! (or not) UTV!

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2013, 05:10:45 PM

good to hear the West ham supporters . Downing ...   why why why

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: eastie on November 11, 2013, 05:42:33 PM

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 11, 2013, 05:10:45 PM

good to hear the West ham supporters . Downing ...   why why why

She stood there laughing ....

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: Damo70 on November 12, 2013, 07:59:17 AM

Quote from: LeeB on September 03, 2013, 06:15:20 PM

Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on September 03, 2013, 04:45:31 PM

We should gone for swap deal with Harry for Luke Young for Alan Hutton.

Why in the name of fuck would we do that?

Why not? If Swap Shop was still on it would be -
Offer - Alan Hutton
Want - Anything

Title: Re: Summer 2013: Villa Transfers, Speculation, Suggestions and Rumours
Post by: MoetVillan on November 12, 2013, 09:30:54 AM

we wouldnt even get Detroit for Hutton