Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[neo_Villan]

Baker's naivety/over-commitment cost us.

Taking off Weimann pretty much muted our attacking play.

Weimann was rubbing his hamstring as he went down the tunnel, so it was a necessary change.

Let's hope it isn't a pulled hamstring. That would be 2-3 weeks out at least. Along with Guzan and Tekkers, Weimann is one of the players we can't afford to lose. He always gets a good chance every game, even when he isn't playing that well.

[onje_villa]

Still would pick Baker over Clark every day.

 Taking into account they had Suarez in their team, i did'nt think Vlaar or Baker gave him many chances tbh.It was when they was running at the defence that we had problems.That is where Westwood/Bannan/Sylla should have defended better.

Agreed, I actually think the defence did OK individually today (bar Baker's foul) but the shape of the midfield when going backwards needs looking at.

[eastie]

There was one tremendous tackle by baker inside the box in the 1st half but he was very naive to be tricked into his challenge for the penalty , no need to jump in there - probably would rate him ahead of Clark as a centre half though.

[UK Redsox]

There was one tremendous tackle by baker inside the box in the 1st half but he was very naive to be tricked into his challenge for the penalty , no need to jump in there - probably would rate him ahead of Clark as a centre half though.

That 'orrible b'stard has made far better player's than Baker jump into misguided tackles in the box, so its a bit harsh to condemn Baker for that. He made plenty of good tackles and interceptions.

To me Baker's a proper defender, whereas Clark is in Barry-like no man's land at the moment, not really being a centre back, left back or midfielder. It all came good for Barry in the end, so there's hope for Clark yet.

[Mister E]

Still would pick Baker over Clark every day.

 Taking into account they had Suarez in their team, i did'nt think Vlaar or Baker gave him many chances tbh.It was when they was running at the defence that we had problems.That is where Westwood/Bannan/Sylla should have defended better.

Baker goes to ground too easily (as does BB in the tackle) and his distribution is shocking.
At the moment, both CC and NB are not up to snuff and are - when they play - usually having to cover for an inadequate LB as well.

[onje_villa]

There was one tremendous tackle by baker inside the box in the 1st half but he was very naive to be tricked into his challenge for the penalty , no need to jump in there - probably would rate him ahead of Clark as a centre half though.

That 'orrible b'stard has made far better player's than Baker jump into misguided tackles in the box, so its a bit harsh to condemn Baker for that. He made plenty of good tackles and interceptions.

To me Baker's a proper defender, whereas Clark is in Barry-like no man's land at the moment, not really being a centre back, left back or midfielder. It all came good for Barry in the end, so there's hope for Clark yet.

Maybe but don't think Clark is half the player Barry was (even at 17)

[Mister E]

Agreed, I actually think the defence did OK individually today (bar Baker's foul) but the shape of the midfield when going backwards needs looking at.

Hmmm, in the second half L'pool did what Montenegro did to England: they pinned our FB back and both Bennett and (to a lesser extent) Lowton were under serious pressure. Neither handled it particularly brilliantly.

[Mister E]

Certainly KEA and Charles should be history at the end of this season; waste of bleedin' space, both of them.

[JUAN PABLO]

ok first half        fooking awful second half

El whats his name  , bloody crap

Bannan - go away

Gabby - you should be ashamed , you cant miss them and pass the bloody ball to a bloke in a good position instead of having one of your power puff shots

Baker -    ffs , you cant do that.

Lambert - bring the subs on earlier and stop giving HT talks.

Im really disappointed in the team today , we are back in serious trouble as we looked so bloody limp.

[onje_villa]

Certainly KEA and Charles should be history at the end of this season; waste of bleedin' space, both of them.

Liverpool had the lead and sat very deep to compensate for Carragher's lack of space. There was very little that Charlie could do.

[Mister E]

Certainly KEA and Charles should be history at the end of this season; waste of bleedin' space, both of them.

Liverpool had the lead and sat very deep to compensate for Carragher's lack of space. There was very little that Charlie could do.

And?
He's still be a total waste of space (as he was for most of his time at Wigan, actually).

Just my opinion.

[Charlie8182]

Difficult to disagree with most people, an awful 2nd half all round, not sure what Lambert could have said at half time but it had relegation written all over it.
Also, our first 42,000+ crowd for 2 seasons, it could be a lot longer before we get another one.

Various Villa teams/management have also only beaten Liverpool at home once in the past 15 years (and worse against Man U & Arsenal).  When you consider that we regularly beat them at VP in the 1990s and less fashionable clubs than us do much better against these clubs, this record is truly appalling.  We might not get the chance next season.

[neo_Villan]

Certainly KEA and Charles should be history at the end of this season; waste of bleedin' space, both of them.

Disagree about Zog. I would start him back in the central free role henceforth. With Sylla playing a deeper role next to Westwood.

[KRS]

Just seen the Baker challenge...what an absolute cock of the highest order! What on earth was he thinking making a challenge like that for?!

[JUAN PABLO]

The chances we missed - Gabby 2 yards, Benteke off the line, Weimann over the bar
Them - Suarez 1 on 1, coutunhio 1 on 1, Johnson post.

who had the one first half when Bannan gave him a lovely through ball