Just when you think that things couldn't get any worse....

[Risso]

It's language like that that gets me - it seems to just be going for shock value.  If he's been farcically bad, then that suggests we should be much further up the table than we are.  He had a relatively small amount of money to try and turn around the fortunes of a club in steep decline, yet people say things like that, and advocate managers like Poyet over him. 

What language would you use for a manager who has given us:

Our worst ever result
Our worst ever start to a season
Humiliated by a 4th division team over two legs
Knocked out by a crap 2nd division team in the same week.
A truly dismal defence

And he didn't have a relatively small amount, he had more money to spend than a good deal of the Premier League.

[LeeB]

But you've seen KEA play.  And Bannan.  Anybody worse than those two isn't going to be playing for a Premier League Club in all honesty.

This the same Mark Noble who was part of their last relegated side, yes? And who now plays in one of two most redundant midfields in the country?

How is their midfield redundant?  Noble and Nolan are two of their three top scorers, and Nolan on average attempts nearly twice as many passes a game as any of our midfielders including Westwood, with a similar completion rate of around 80%.  Even Nolan whose job it is to get into the box and score makes as many passes as any of our midfield.  Honestly, there's opinions and all, but what exactly are you basing yours on, as they're at complete odds with the actual facts.

I'm basing it on what I see, I'll leave the number crunching to you mate.

You must be watching a different team then, the 'numbers' only back up what actually happens.

Are you suggesting West Ham play fluid football through midfield?

[Risso]

Are you suggesting West Ham play fluid football through midfield?

No, but their midfield certainly isn't redundant as you suggested.  They have more passing, more goals and more assists than ours, and they provide more protection for the defence.  In short, everything that Lambert has been getting so badly wrong this season.

[Concrete John]

It's language like that that gets me - it seems to just be going for shock value.  If he's been farcically bad, then that suggests we should be much further up the table than we are.  He had a relatively small amount of money to try and turn around the fortunes of a club in steep decline, yet people say things like that, and advocate managers like Poyet over him. 

What language would you use for a manager who has given us:

Our worst ever result
Our worst ever start to a season
Humiliated by a 4th division team over two legs
Knocked out by a crap 2nd division team in the same week.
A truly dismal defence

And he didn't have a relatively small amount, he had more money to spend than a good deal of the Premier League.

All those things were awful, and in isolation possibly farcical, but they also all happened, apart from the start, during a horrible period we have hopefully now come out of.  Him being a farciacally manager would mean things like that were happening all the time and we were 10 points adrify at the bottom.

Abd £20m in modern times IS a relatively small amount for the major rebuilding job we needed. 

[LeeB]

Are you suggesting West Ham play fluid football through midfield?

No, but their midfield certainly isn't redundant as you suggested.  They have more passing, more goals and more assists than ours, and they provide more protection for the defence.  In short, everything that Lambert has been getting so badly wrong this season.

Well they've secured six more points than us so far.

And Mark Noble's wank.

[Risso]

Are you suggesting West Ham play fluid football through midfield?

No, but their midfield certainly isn't redundant as you suggested.  They have more passing, more goals and more assists than ours, and they provide more protection for the defence.  In short, everything that Lambert has been getting so badly wrong this season.

Well they've secured six more points than us so far.

And Mark Noble's wank.

Six points is huge, at our current rate we'll have 6 more points sometime towards the end of April, if we're lucky.  And if saying he's crap makes you happy, crack on.  At least you're not pretending that opionion is based on anything worthwhile any more which is something I suppose.

[mr woo]

Allardyce? The football would be crap but I'd fully expect results to improve short-term.

The crux of the matter though, is why appoint Lambert with the remit to start a project that's not expected to come to fruition for several seasons, only to take a u-turn and retread the steps that didn't work with McLeish, at the first sign of trouble.

[eastie]

Allardyce? The football would be crap but I'd fully expect results to improve short-term.

The crux of the matter though, is why appoint Lambert with the remit to start a project that's not expected to come to fruition for several seasons, only to take a u-turn and retread the steps that didn't work with McLeish, at the first sign of trouble.

Several seasons? Do you really see lerner or lambert being here that long?

[Clampy]

There's no reason to think that Lerner won't be here in 5 years time.

[Concrete John]

Allardyce? The football would be crap but I'd fully expect results to improve short-term.

The crux of the matter though, is why appoint Lambert with the remit to start a project that's not expected to come to fruition for several seasons, only to take a u-turn and retread the steps that didn't work with McLeish, at the first sign of trouble.

Several seasons? Do you really see lerner or lambert being here that long?

The project should be viable enough to survive a change in manager.  Obviosuly, if Randy did sell up then it may well be scrapped, dependent on the incoming owners.

[eastie]

There's no reason to think that Lerner won't be here in 5 years time.

Thanks clampy , you really have depressed me now

[Clampy]

There's no reason to think that Lerner won't be here in 5 years time.

Thanks clampy , you really have depressed me now

Maybe if you'd stuck to the arse biscuits you wrote on here yesterday about not logging back on here until Saturday, you might not have read it. 

[Risso]

Allardyce? The football would be crap but I'd fully expect results to improve short-term.

The crux of the matter though, is why appoint Lambert with the remit to start a project that's not expected to come to fruition for several seasons, only to take a u-turn and retread the steps that didn't work with McLeish, at the first sign of trouble.

It's not a project, it's a desperate fight to avoid relegation.

[mr woo]

I agree John, any club should be able to weather a management change. They don't always come through choice after all.

Surely though, part of keeping things on an even keel is to find a replacement who will buy into the continuation of project blueprints.

It just seems we go from one end of the scale to the other every time, and these changes in direction have proved to be very very expensive.

You could replace O Neill with Allardyce without the need to rebuild the squad. Not so with Houllier, who now wants footballing centre backs and continental flair. Hence rebellions amongst the players who most object to and resist the change in football-thesis.

Ditto for Houllier to McLeish and McLeish to Lambert.

All I'm saying is, if you want to replace Lambert, lets find someone who can work with and improve this squad.
I don't think that man is Allardyce or his ilk.

[SamTheMouse]

It's not a project, it's a desperate fight to avoid relegation.

Do you think that if we do manage to avoid the drop, Lambert will improve things next season or beyond? I guess that's what it comes down to.