Just when you think that things couldn't get any worse....

[john e]

only two things would make me cry regarding football

one would be if we ever won the FA cup again,
 the other would be if Allardyce/Pulis were ever appointed manager of the Villa

[Clampy]

I don't really get it - we understand you think Allardyce would be a good appointment, but you're starting to sound like his agent now.

Forget the replacing Lambert part, that's clear enough, but would Allardyce be the best appointment?

And no, "better than Lambert" isn't enough - not if we accept your judgement of his merits. Would Allardyce genuinely be the one you wanted in to replace him? Above all others?

Tony Mowbray got dog's abuse on here for playing decent football with West Brom, but taking them down, well Lambert's football is nowhere near as good as that and the results are worse, yet people talk as if he's on the way to being the next Guardiola.

Sorry Risso but the Guardiola comment was ridiculous.

As for Mowbray, don't bring him into the argument. The bloke's a mediocre manager.

[Jockey Randall]

It's very well suggesting other managers but I just don't see where these players are that Lambert has had at his disposal to make us into a mid table side like West Ham this season? Allardyce began the summer with a better squad than ours and a squad he'd already had a season to assemble. They then spent a similar amount to us in transfer fees and most probably a shit load more on wages. It's got them mid table. Allardyce is clearly not a fool. He just plays an effective but extremely boring style of football that will keep getting him jobs in the industry.

Lambert spent roughly £23m adding to a squad which were arguably the worst in the league if the end of last season was anything to go by. We needed some major repair work on the squad and £23m on the amount of players we bought isn't a great deal in the current Premier League climate. With the players we have, we are where we should be. It's as simple as that. No Allardyce or Ferguson or whoever is going to change that fact. I think we'll be much better off in a few years when we've given Lambert sufficient time. It's a similar situation to Rodgers at Liverpool, I think he's turning them around following the poor spending era of King Kenny but it's not going to happen overnight. I suppose it comes down to whether you think it's the right call to build a squad who will see us in a better position in 5 years time, or spend more money on the here and now? There are pros and cons to both. Personally, I think building for the future and risk getting relegated in the short term is the better option.

[eastie]

One thing that's very important for a club like Villa (in its current state) is the ability to generate value from player trading. Not sure what Big Sam's record is in that department. But I'd say Lambert has made the club a pretty penny on Benteke already. A few more like that and we'll be laughing.

Making a profit on transfers is not going to have me laughing , i would far rather see the good players kept and the club progress rather than be sold for profit- it may be good for randy but i prefer results on the pitch to making a profit on transfers.

[Concrete John]

It's very well suggesting other managers but I just don't see where these players are that Lambert has had at his disposal to make us into a mid table side like West Ham this season? Allardyce began the summer with a better squad than ours and a squad he'd already had a season to assemble. They then spent a similar amount to us in transfer fees and most probably a shit load more on wages. It's got them mid table. Allardyce is clearly not a fool. He just plays an effective but extremely boring style of football that will keep getting him jobs in the industry.

Lambert spent roughly £23m adding to a squad which were arguably the worst in the league if the end of last season was anything to go by. We needed some major repair work on the squad and £23m on the amount of players we bought isn't a great deal in the current Premier League climate. With the players we have, we are where we should be. It's as simple as that. No Allardyce or Ferguson or whoever is going to change that fact. I think we'll be much better off in a few years when we've given Lambert sufficient time. It's a similar situation to Rodgers at Liverpool, I think he's turning them around following the poor spending era of King Kenny but it's not going to happen overnight. I suppose it comes down to whether you think it's the right call to build a squad who will see us in a better position in 5 years time, or spend more money on the here and now? There are pros and cons to both. Personally, I think building for the future and risk getting relegated in the short term is the better option.

Whilst I agree with the majority of your post, I do disagree with this bit.

I'm not in the 'Lambert out' camp, but he should have been able to get the defense better organised and tighter, thereby seeing us ship less goals and be a few places up the league in a relatively safe midfield position.

[KevinGage]

It's very well suggesting other managers but I just don't see where these players are that Lambert has had at his disposal to make us into a mid table side like West Ham this season? Allardyce began the summer with a better squad than ours and a squad he'd already had a season to assemble. They then spent a similar amount to us in transfer fees and most probably a shit load more on wages. It's got them mid table. Allardyce is clearly not a fool. He just plays an effective but extremely boring style of football that will keep getting him jobs in the industry.

Lambert spent roughly £23m adding to a squad which were arguably the worst in the league if the end of last season was anything to go by. We needed some major repair work on the squad and £23m on the amount of players we bought isn't a great deal in the current Premier League climate. With the players we have, we are where we should be. It's as simple as that.

Sorry, but a duffer like McLeish managed to keep the same set of players up last year - and that was underperforming. 

Lambert has had an extra £23 million to make the side even worse, that's not any measure of progress, in my book.

Also: player for player, we have a better first team and squad than West Ham, save possibly in midfield.  There is a reason why they went down in 2010/2011.  Fat Sam has spent a bit, but most of his deals have been free transfers, loans and budget deals.

[not3bad]

Of the club's Allardyce had managed, probably the best direct comparison to Villa (size wise, history wise) is his time at Newcastle.

[Risso]

It's very well suggesting other managers but I just don't see where these players are that Lambert has had at his disposal to make us into a mid table side like West Ham this season? Allardyce began the summer with a better squad than ours and a squad he'd already had a season to assemble. They then spent a similar amount to us in transfer fees and most probably a shit load more on wages. It's got them mid table. Allardyce is clearly not a fool. He just plays an effective but extremely boring style of football that will keep getting him jobs in the industry.

Lambert spent roughly £23m adding to a squad which were arguably the worst in the league if the end of last season was anything to go by. We needed some major repair work on the squad and £23m on the amount of players we bought isn't a great deal in the current Premier League climate. With the players we have, we are where we should be. It's as simple as that. No Allardyce or Ferguson or whoever is going to change that fact. I think we'll be much better off in a few years when we've given Lambert sufficient time. It's a similar situation to Rodgers at Liverpool, I think he's turning them around following the poor spending era of King Kenny but it's not going to happen overnight. I suppose it comes down to whether you think it's the right call to build a squad who will see us in a better position in 5 years time, or spend more money on the here and now? There are pros and cons to both. Personally, I think building for the future and risk getting relegated in the short term is the better option.

I bet there are several squads in the Premier League that didn't cost £23m in total, never mind having that spent on them this summer.

[Concrete John]

Sorry, but a duffer like McLeish managed to keep the same set of players up last year - and that was underperforming.

He had Dunne, Collins and Petrov for most of the season - where are our biggets weaknesses again?  Plus Lambert hasn't actually relegated us, so comparisons like that are probably better left until 38 games have bene played.

[Ads]

Big sams style  of football is not pleasant on the eye but he does get results

He isn't getting many results currently.

West Ham are at the moment 19th in the current form table, have lost five away games in a row (including a loss to us), and have won one of their last six matches.

I have being saying for weeks that West Ham are in a relegation battle. You can see why after their abysmal attempt at playing the game of football at B6. They have Spurs and Yanited coming up at home, couple that with their awful away form and its easy to see why they’re going to struggle.

A number of people complain about the way Lambert speaks, God knows what they would make of Alladyce who appears to watch games high on acid, such is the unfathomable, myopic, nonsense he comes out with post match.

He is a limited manager, employing an archaic style of football.

[Ads]

Sorry, but a duffer like McLeish managed to keep the same set of players up last year - and that was underperforming.

He had Dunne, Collins and Petrov for most of the season - where are our biggets weaknesses again?  Plus Lambert hasn't actually relegated us, so comparisons like that are probably better left until 38 games have bene played.

Lambert needs two more wins and 14 more points to equal last season.

I think we'll better that.

[Risso]

Sorry, but a duffer like McLeish managed to keep the same set of players up last year - and that was underperforming.

He had Dunne, Collins and Petrov for most of the season - where are our biggets weaknesses again?  Plus Lambert hasn't actually relegated us, so comparisons like that are probably better left until 38 games have bene played.

He chose to sell Collins, and then didn't buy a single defender with Premier League experience.

[Concrete John]

Sorry, but a duffer like McLeish managed to keep the same set of players up last year - and that was underperforming.

He had Dunne, Collins and Petrov for most of the season - where are our biggets weaknesses again?  Plus Lambert hasn't actually relegated us, so comparisons like that are probably better left until 38 games have bene played.

He chose to sell Collins, and then didn't buy a single defender with Premier League experience.

Yes, he did.  And nobody argued a jot when Collins went.  If he had bought PL experience it would have been an overpaid journey man, the sort you argued heavily against under MON, and we may not have had the money to buy Benteke.

Just because he didn't do something does not mean doing the opposite would have yielded better results.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Putting Fat Sam aside for one moment, IF we go down, Lambert has to be sacked.
No way should he be allowed to stay on.

We'll see at the end of the season what Carbon Neutral and the Invisible Man intend to do.

[Boz]

Big sams style  of football is not pleasant on the eye but he does get results

He isn't getting many results currently.

West Ham are at the moment 19th in the current form table, have lost five away games in a row (including a loss to us), and have won one of their last six matches.

I have being saying for weeks that West Ham are in a relegation battle. You can see why after their abysmal attempt at playing the game of football at B6. They have Spurs and Yanited coming up at home, couple that with their awful away form and its easy to see why they’re going to struggle.

A number of people complain about the way Lambert speaks, God knows what they would make of Alladyce who appears to watch games high on acid, such is the unfathomable, myopic, nonsense he comes out with post match.

He is a limited manager, employing an archaic style of football.

Right on