How many points will keep us up?

[eastie]

Norwich and West Ham are going to be right in the mix, especially after we've given the later a good beating on Sunday.

I think both need just three more wins in 13 games and doubt they will fall into the pack now .
Looks to be 3 from the bottom 5 to me.

[Ads]

Look at Norwich though. Should they lose at the weekend and we win, then the gap will be four points, with us having to go there and with a chance to turn that four into one.

A lot of water will pass under the bridge, the only certainty at the moment is QPR going down. Not beating Reading, us, Norwich, Southampton et al at home has done them.

I hope they go bump too for the money they charge to go into that death-trap.

[nick harper]

5 wins in the last 40 odd league games. It's going to take a significant change in momentum to get 4 or 5 in the last 13. Can't see it myself. Think we'll finish bottom with 28-30.

[Meanwood Villa]

5 wins in the last 40 odd league games. It's going to take a significant change in momentum to get 4 or 5 in the last 13. Can't see it myself. Think we'll finish bottom with 28-30.

Sadly I agree with this. Any sort of half decent run- ie 5 wins in 13 games- would probably see us right but I just don't think we're capable of it. We've shown a chronic inability to win games for well over a year now and I can't see it changing soon.

[Ads]

I think Wigan and QPR are going to go. I don't think Reading are any good at all.

In fact I cannot believe having watched them at our place, that they have actually won any games this season.

[maidstonevillain]

I think Wigan and QPR are going to go. I don't think Reading are any good at all.

In fact I cannot believe having watched them at our place, that they have actually won any games this season.

I suspect a lot of people think the same about us.

[Villafirst]

5 wins in the last 40 odd league games. It's going to take a significant change in momentum to get 4 or 5 in the last 13. Can't see it myself. Think we'll finish bottom with 28-30.

Sadly I agree with this. Any sort of half decent run- ie 5 wins in 13 games- would probably see us right but I just don't think we're capable of it. We've shown a chronic inability to win games for well over a year now and I can't see it changing soon.

The key could be if we can somehow get Dunne fit and play him alongside Vlaar. That would give us a much more solid base to work from. I still think if Dunne had comeback on schedule last September we wouldn't be in such a mess.

[Irish villain]

Beat the hammers and we'd be looking at needing just another three wins and a few draws...I think we will beat West Ham. My deep pessimism is lifting.

[Ads]

Beat the hammers and we'd be looking at needing just another three wins and a few draws...I think we will beat West Ham. My deep pessimism is lifting.

I have a post it note in my bottom draw in my office, where I am marking off the points. There is a little matrix of home wins, away wins, home points and away points.

I was very pleased to make my first recording in the box marked "unexpected points".

[SoccerHQ]

Must beat West Ham.

Even a point just to stop the rot at VP isn't enough I feel.

[Californian Villain]

5 wins in the last 40 odd league games. It's going to take a significant change in momentum to get 4 or 5 in the last 13. Can't see it myself. Think we'll finish bottom with 28-30.

Sadly I agree with this. Any sort of half decent run- ie 5 wins in 13 games- would probably see us right but I just don't think we're capable of it. We've shown a chronic inability to win games for well over a year now and I can't see it changing soon.

The key could be if we can somehow get Dunne fit and play him alongside Vlaar. That would give us a much more solid base to work from. I still think if Dunne had comeback on schedule last September we wouldn't be in such a mess.

Richard Dunne is just this season's Carlos Cuellar: a player who goes from maligned scapegoat to world beater by simply not playing.

The fact is we needed Vlaar to come back from injury and sort the kids out. Instead he's cost us two very important goals....at least.

[Matt C]

We need four wins I reckon which when you write it like that doesn't seem a big deal but in the context of 5 wins in 40 or whatever it is then of course it is.

West Ham is a must-win as others have said but not just for the immediate boost of three points but also to put an end to this wretched Villa Park run. If we're to stand a chance we've got to start getting points at home.

[edgysatsuma]

If we don't win on sunday, then I call game, set and match.

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

5 wins in the last 40 odd league games. It's going to take a significant change in momentum to get 4 or 5 in the last 13. Can't see it myself. Think we'll finish bottom with 28-30.

Quite - we are currently bottom of the form league - only us and Norwich have failed to win a single league fixture during the last 8 league games. Massive change in form required - not impossible of course but if we don't beat West Ham then its hard to see where that turnaround in form will begin.

[Des Little]

How many 'must wins' have we had recently? Off the top of my head I can think of Wigan, Saints and Newcastle...and we all know what we got from them. It's the hope that kills you!