Let the record show

[eastie]

Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.

Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.

No that crown still belongs to Billy McNeil and DOL

Not for me it doesnt - i was a season ticket holder during mcneills dreadful season and for me lambert is worse!

[Drummond]

I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.

I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.

In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.

Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

[Risso]

Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.

Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.

No that crown still belongs to Billy McNeil and DOL

O'Leary was the most unpopular perhaps, after McLeish, but he took a side that nearly got relegated, and took us to 6th place, and indeed we only missed out on Europe that year because the ref in the final game against Man U made two unbelievable decisions that cost us the match.

[eastie]

I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.

I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.

In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.

Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager  and  will take time .

[Risso]

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

That's exactly why people don't agree.  Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is.  So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues.  The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing.  Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.

[Drummond]

I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.

I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.

In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.

Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager  and  will take time .

I agree about owner but disagree about manager. I think I'd be proven right in the long run if he's allowed to stay in post.

[tomd2103]

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

That's exactly why people don't agree.  Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is.  So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues.  The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing.  Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.

Diagree Risso.  Look at the way Everton are run.  Look at the way Swansea are run.  It pains me to admit it, but look at the way the Albion have been run the past few seasons (although their rise has involved relegation).  Three clubs there who aren't bankrolled by a billionaire and are doing well.  The difference is that those clubs are run by people who have a feel for the club and know what they are doing.   

[Drummond]

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

That's exactly why people don't agree.  Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is.  So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues.  The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing.  Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.

I'm sick of it being about the money, it's why Barry left, and why plenty of others go too. I'm stuck in an awful place where I love my team, but hate what they are part of and can't do a thing about either.

[Risso]

I agree about owner but disagree about manager. I think I'd be proven right in the long run if he's allowed to stay in post.

Even if I agreed about him being a good manager (which I don't) the fact is he's entirely the wrong manager to work with Lerner as things stand.  We need a wily old head, a wheeler-delaer type who would get his side scrapping to the last, and would maybe have called in a few favours to boost the squad.  I've never seen a Villa side that is as mentally weak as the current one, and that lack of confidence isn't helped by the manager.  Lambert also doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes, as he has shown by persisting with that ridiculous 5-3-2 abortion of a formation.

[Clampy]

I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.

I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.

In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.

Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.

I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.

If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager  and  will take time .

I don't think it's as bad as that. The club needs a different approach whilst not puttting our Premiership status under threat. What i mean by that is, better knowledge of the game at boardroom level. Steve Stride (for example) i think would have advised Randy against employing TSM.

[Risso]

I'm sick of it being about the money, it's why Barry left, and why plenty of others go too. I'm stuck in an awful place where I love my team, but hate what they are part of and can't do a thing about either.

On that we are in total agreement then.  If I lived back in the UK I honestly think I'd pick a local non-league team to follow and go and watch them, where your attendance and custom would be appreciated as it makes a difference.

[Drummond]

No, bollocks you're not going to sneak that in, I'm not agreeing with you out of principle.....

[Ads]

I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko.  Did he really stand out?  Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.

I didn't see anything special either.

I fact, what I was astounded by was how the Newcastle players failed to cope with the effects of gravity in B6.

I saw a bloody awful Villa side for 45 minutes and then a quite good one for 45 minutes, who on balance, should have won against a bloody awful Newcastle.

There are not enough occasions where we've won games, largely because there haven't been too many occasions where we have deserved to. Tuesday was an exception.

[Risso]

Probably as good a point as any to bow out I think!

[eastie]

Standby young clamps- the risso and Drummond show is back up and running!