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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: brian green on February 01, 2013, 06:25:53 AM
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On this black Friday morning I would like to make a simple statement. In years to come it must be understood very clearly that in 2013 we did not lose our Premiership status. We threw it away. There is a very big difference.
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Takes effort to throw something. We simply gave it away.
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Quite right
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I still can't believe they have made no effort to save us . It's baffling and sickening.
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I only hope the fans don't take it out on the players, most of them are trying their best, any anger should be directed toward the manager and the C.E.O sitting in the stand seeing as we won't see the owner again at Villa Park.
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Two kids that I have never heard of, and one experienced bloke out. I didn't believe for a second it would be that bad.
Shame on you Villa. Let the recriminations begin.
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I still can't believe they have made no effort to save us . It's baffling and sickening.
I genuinely think that the club have looked at Newcastle and West Ham and determined that a year in the Championship is an opportunity to cleanse the club once and for all, as we will be certain to bounce back.
It's the same flawed logic as spending 22m on lower league players and its a gigantic kick in the bollocks to the fans who have been marvelous this season.
We do not deserve this, we really don't.
It really is time that some fury is directed at those who have conspired to create this mess and are getting off way to lightly.
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I think some posters on here are verging on the manic depressed. Get a grip.
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It really is hard to fathom and it looks deliberate. I can't work out if Lambert's hands were tied by Lerner's wage restrictions, or whether he's done it to show Lerner his policy will prevent us signing anyone of any calibre, or whether the pair of them are just fuckwits. Possibly all 3. Either way I think relegation is more or less inevitable now.
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I think some posters on here are verging on the manic depressed. Get a grip.
Arent manic depressives meant to experience extreme highs as well as lows?
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
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It's weird how similar the pattern has been with McLeish and Lambert. They start by saying all the right things. Promising better football and a better work ethic from a more together group. Then they never deliver the promises. Then McLeish towards the tail end just started to sound very deluded, and start just having a few digs at the fans. Nothing as outright as DOL, but a few snipes. I wonder if PL will turn against the fans once he realises he's pretty much a dead man walking.
But yes, he's proven to be completely clueless and we look half as resolute as McLeish's Villa side. As god awful as the back four of Warnock, Collins, Dunne and Hutton were at times, they're rock solid compared to the current group. I also believe had we had Petrov and Bent for the tail end of last season we'd have been more comfortable. It probably would have given us another 5-10 points in all honesty.
We scarily shit at the minute. It's pathetic and we seem to be getting worse. Lambert has no aces up his sleeve to pull us out. I can't see him doing what Martinez did the last two seasons with Wigan, and suddenly find the form to save us.
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I am sure having watched Villa for 50 years that relegation is part of the plan.
The gutless, spineless way our owner has done this should have fans calling for his head, but such is the apathy at Villa Park no-one seems to have the energy any more.
They do not deserve our support and I for one have watched my last game this season at least.
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I only hope the fans don't take it out on the players, most of them are trying their best, any anger should be directed toward the manager and the C.E.O sitting in the stand seeing as we won't see the owner again at Villa Park.
I'm not convinced the manager should be getting it just yet, the owner and Faulkner should be getting loads though. I've mentioned before, nobody should buy anything on a match day from the club. Show Lerner that we too can withold OUR finances!
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
Yes of course, there simply were no players available that represented a happy medium between one proper signing from the French 2nd division, and £20m on one player like Samba. The players we bought were the only ones available to us, and Lerner is a genius and Lambert a brilliant manager.
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Not watching the game at the weekend, just going to chill out on the beach with the Mrs and ignore the game. Will look for the result later but it's not going to ruin my day this weekend. Shameful display in the transfer market but us outside of the club do not really know what is going on to be fair.
Nobody does, only those involved inside the club do, and they sure won't tell us. Keep supporting the lads on the pitch and maybe we can survive, turn on them and we are sealing our own fate for sure. UTV
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This is a genuine question - How can I (and I am sure many others) show support for the team on the field (as they need to be doing their best otherwise they will be distroyed) , BUT show to the owners and CEO that I am more depressed pissed off and let down than I can ever remember feeling about beloved fotoball team.
Aston Villa is not a business to me , its not even JUST a football club , I eat, sleep, breath and worry beyond rational levels and I not alone in this amount of passion there are thousands of us and all to a man women and my children have been let down by the de-investment at the worst possible time
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
And i am sure he will say because he wont buy for the sake of it- dont tell me he could not find a defender in a month to improve us and dont tell me he only had £3m- bollocks.
We have been in for several players - not with just £2m we havent , there was more available.
He said himself several times he believes this squad is good enough to stay up and will stay up - lambert and lerner have sold this club down the river and whats going on stinks!
He did not spend the full budget in the summer and hes done so again now with the club in 19th place- his tactics, formations and selections are a joke and we are totally fucked because of these clowns in charge.
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MarkH feel very similar to you. I have followed Villa as long as I can remember vaguely remembering the 1967 relegation and vividly remembering the fall in to Division 3. The ups and downs since then probably cant be rivalled by any other club but there was always hope and expectation when things were bad that this great club would rise again.
Under the current structure and leadership I have no such hope and I feel more disengaged as a life long fan than ever before.
I so hope most of us are wrong but just like we knew TSM would not work we know relegation will be upon us this season. The powers that be are culpable of mismanagement of the highest degree and if they could be held to account they would be removed and competent people put in their place.
I know PL has made mistakes but probably the biggest one was accepting our offer under these conditions. What concerns me now is how far we will fall. Let the record show PF and RL you were warned
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Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
I thought we signed that atheist guy!
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Yes of course, there simply were no players available that represented a happy medium between one proper signing from the French 2nd division, and £20m on one player like Samba. The players we bought were the only ones available to us, and Lerner is a genius and Lambert a brilliant manager.
It's that genius literary trick again isn't it?!
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Yes of course, there simply were no players available that represented a happy medium between one proper signing from the French 2nd division, and £20m on one player like Samba. The players we bought were the only ones available to us, and Lerner is a genius and Lambert a brilliant manager.
It's that genius literary trick again isn't it?!
I wouldn't expect you to understand. You've been parroting the club's bollocks for weeks now, and have been proved wrong at every turn.
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Lerner and Faulkner are running this club into the ground, and yes they've given away our hopes of survival.
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Lerner and Faulkner are running this club into the ground, and yes they've given away our hopes of survival.
Don't absolve lambert - he is a fucking joke!
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On this black Friday morning I would like to make a simple statement. In years to come it must be understood very clearly that in 2013 we did not lose our Premiership status. We threw it away. There is a very big difference.
You have changed your tune a little bit Brian, can I remind you what you said on Oct 12 2012 and I quote:
"I am very much in favour of our manager's policy of spending money on young players from lower divisions who have potential.
In my opinion they have nine very clear advantages over established premiership players.
1. They are a fraction of the price and your money gets a bigger less injury and suspension damaged squad.
2. They are younger and probably carry fewer long term injury or fitness dangers (Jenas, Dunne etc).
3. They are much less likely to be burdened with baggage like woman trouble or gambling or booze or driving offences.
4. They have less inflated egos.
5. Because Paul Lambert has given them their big chance they they will be intensely loyal to him.
6. They are pop bottles not milk bottles. You can always get something back on them.
7. Their agents behave themselves.
8. They are not part of the celeb circuit more interested in what the tabloids say than what the manager says.
9. Savage does not have their phone numbers.
Realistically of course we hope, and they hope that some of them will become Premiership stars and then they will lose all the advantages listed above and will join the ranks of Lampard, Rooney and co, but by that time they will have delivered for us and we shall be the ones who reap the benefit."
That comes across as a complete endorsement of the clubs policy to buy young unproven players, now you appear to be against their stance to continue that policy throughout the January window.
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Yes of course, there simply were no players available that represented a happy medium between one proper signing from the French 2nd division, and £20m on one player like Samba. The players we bought were the only ones available to us, and Lerner is a genius and Lambert a brilliant manager.
It's that genius literary trick again isn't it?!
I wouldn't expect you to understand. You've been parroting the club's bollocks for weeks now, and have been proved wrong at every turn.
What have the club said that 'I've parroted'? As I recall, other than a brief statement from Lerner, the club have said the square root of fuck-all.
Of course you wouldn't expect me to understand, you're clearly on such an intellectually high plane that your thought processes can't be understood by anyone else. Frankly, I'm pleased as it seems to me to be in a very dark place.
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This is a genuine question - How can I (and I am sure many others) show support for the team on the field (as they need to be doing their best otherwise they will be distroyed) , BUT show to the owners and CEO that I am more depressed pissed off and let down than I can ever remember feeling about beloved fotoball team.
Aston Villa is not a business to me , its not even JUST a football club , I eat, sleep, breath and worry beyond rational levels and I not alone in this amount of passion there are thousands of us and all to a man women and my children have been let down by the de-investment at the worst possible time
It's time for the pound signs and banners directed at those at the top of the tree. Sing your hearts out for the players and support them but save the wrath for the CEO and Chairman, and it's not all Lamberts fault either. Have a go at the right people, this decline has been coming for a while now, not just this season so we cannot just blame Lambert. IMO
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Lerner and Faulkner are running this club into the ground, and yes they've given away our hopes of survival.
Don't absolve lambert - he is a fucking joke!
Well we are about to find out if his previous form can be used to get us out of this mess. If he does then we have to give him credit if he fails his stock will be rock bottom.
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The owner & the board should be getting it in spades from NOW but they won't!! They'll be a few people prepared to put themselves out to make a point but on a whole it'll be the same old soundbites!!! I never thought it could get any lower than the Billy McNeill (google it kids) days but hey,this is right up there!!!
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Yes of course, there simply were no players available that represented a happy medium between one proper signing from the French 2nd division, and £20m on one player like Samba. The players we bought were the only ones available to us, and Lerner is a genius and Lambert a brilliant manager.
It's that genius literary trick again isn't it?!
I wouldn't expect you to understand. You've been parroting the club's bollocks for weeks now, and have been proved wrong at every turn.
What have the club said that 'I've parroted'? As I recall, other than a brief statement from Lerner, the club have said the square root of fuck-all.
Of course you wouldn't expect me to understand, you're clearly on such an intellectually high plane that your thought processes can't be understood by anyone else. Frankly, I'm pleased as it seems to me to be in a very dark place.
Edit: apologies Drummond, just really, really pissed off today. Not your fault though.
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On this black Friday morning I would like to make a simple statement. In years to come it must be understood very clearly that in 2013 we did not lose our Premiership status. We threw it away. There is a very big difference.
You have changed your tune a little bit Brian, can I remind you what you said on Oct 12 2012 and I quote:
"I am very much in favour of our manager's policy of spending money on young players from lower divisions who have potential.
In my opinion they have nine very clear advantages over established premiership players.
1. They are a fraction of the price and your money gets a bigger less injury and suspension damaged squad.
2. They are younger and probably carry fewer long term injury or fitness dangers (Jenas, Dunne etc).
3. They are much less likely to be burdened with baggage like woman trouble or gambling or booze or driving offences.
4. They have less inflated egos.
5. Because Paul Lambert has given them their big chance they they will be intensely loyal to him.
6. They are pop bottles not milk bottles. You can always get something back on them.
7. Their agents behave themselves.
8. They are not part of the celeb circuit more interested in what the tabloids say than what the manager says.
9. Savage does not have their phone numbers.
Realistically of course we hope, and they hope that some of them will become Premiership stars and then they will lose all the advantages listed above and will join the ranks of Lampard, Rooney and co, but by that time they will have delivered for us and we shall be the ones who reap the benefit."
That comes across as a complete endorsement of the clubs policy to buy young unproven players, now you appear to be against their stance to continue that policy throughout the January window.
In oct 2012 the situation was nowhere near as bad as now - your points are irrelevant!
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Having read up on Simon Dawkins having not heard of him before. He reminds me of the type Barry Fry used to sign on a regular basis when he was at St Andrews.
Here one minute gone the next!
A complete waste of Randys very small piggy bank! Totally pointless in any case as he is a striker so this loan needs to be explained by
Lambert. I cant think of any reason for taking him on unless Spurs are paying his wages.
But at least Barry Fry was entertaining!!
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No sense bringing dawkins whatsover when we are crying out for a defender - farcical lambert!
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On this black Friday morning I would like to make a simple statement. In years to come it must be understood very clearly that in 2013 we did not lose our Premiership status. We threw it away. There is a very big difference.
You have changed your tune a little bit Brian, can I remind you what you said on Oct 12 2012 and I quote:
"I am very much in favour of our manager's policy of spending money on young players from lower divisions who have potential.
In my opinion they have nine very clear advantages over established premiership players.
1. They are a fraction of the price and your money gets a bigger less injury and suspension damaged squad.
2. They are younger and probably carry fewer long term injury or fitness dangers (Jenas, Dunne etc).
3. They are much less likely to be burdened with baggage like woman trouble or gambling or booze or driving offences.
4. They have less inflated egos.
5. Because Paul Lambert has given them their big chance they they will be intensely loyal to him.
6. They are pop bottles not milk bottles. You can always get something back on them.
7. Their agents behave themselves.
8. They are not part of the celeb circuit more interested in what the tabloids say than what the manager says.
9. Savage does not have their phone numbers.
Realistically of course we hope, and they hope that some of them will become Premiership stars and then they will lose all the advantages listed above and will join the ranks of Lampard, Rooney and co, but by that time they will have delivered for us and we shall be the ones who reap the benefit."
That comes across as a complete endorsement of the clubs policy to buy young unproven players, now you appear to be against their stance to continue that policy throughout the January window.
In oct 2012 the situation was nowhere near as bad as now - your points are irrelevant!
Thanks Eastie for your intelligent contribution as ever. By the way can I check with you do you want Lambert sacked?
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Reporters said Villa need experience or they are down
ex-players said the same
pundits on the radio and tv
all the fans I knew
fans from other teams
my girlfriend
my 7 year old son as he cried getting knocled out by Bradford
my goldfish
Thank you Randy , you have made our club an embarrassment . This is torture for me .
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
So you either have to sign an unexperienced Championship player or a hugely overpaid mercenary?
Shit, there was me thinking there was something in between.
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
So you either have to sign an unexperienced Championship player or a hugely overpaid mercenary?
Shit, there was me thinking there was something in between.
Now Drummond. What's so difficult to understand about that?
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I still can't believe they have made no effort to save us . It's baffling and sickening.
"Baffling" is the word. It's a bit like the knocking down of the Trinity Road Stand, you get the feeling those in charge have made a decision that might suit their own short term agenda but, as decisions go, they are certainly paying no respect to the history and standing of the club and the feelings of its supporters. I certainly don't blame the manager for this - he clearly sees it as a challenge to keep Villa up under such huge constraints - Lerner and Faulkner are the men who are the brains behind such a reckless gamble.
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
Because either;
A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.
B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.
You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue. The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation. Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.
So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.
The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.
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If he spent all the budget yesterday why the hell didnt he address the main problem in the team, the defence?
He's an incompetent buffoon, and between him and Lerner we are heading to hell in a handcart.
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
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Just a thought...
do you think Lambert got Dawkins in as a way of highlighting the fact he had next to nothing to spend, therefore deflecting the fans frustrations to Lerner and Faulkner as opposed to himself? A little like how Lerner appointed TSM to deflect the frustration away from him when he wanted to cost cut
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
I've just apologised. Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show! ;)
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Come on guys, let's at least us as fans stick together.
I think the Lambert policy is laudable and will bring fruition eventually. However, the progress we were making in the late autumn has been bought to s shuddering stop with the Chelsea game and all that has happened since, so a small deviation from that policy until the end of the season surely wouldn't be seen as unreasonable. there are enough with some knowledge on here suggesting that there were funds available (indeed lambert himself said we were in for Sissoko and everyone knew he was up for 3.5 million euros) so once it became clear no.1 targets weren't available, then yes, but Sylla, a potentially excellent piece of business, but also seek out one or two older heads just to come and steady the ship, like every Tom, Dick and harry has suggested.
The two that ring a bell, who moved yesterday on loan or short deals and surely wouldn't have cost the earth between now and may (£10k a week each perhaps?) were Scharner and Uposn. Neither great, and even 18 moths ago I'd have been spitting feathers at the mere suggestion, but a couple of decent pros who'd give some organisation and leadership on the pitch and would put there head where it hurst in the cause.
My only conclusion is that Lambert is as stubborn as his mentor, but I'm afraid he's going to regret that stubbornness, because this squad will not get the wins needed, and will finish rock bottom. (I would be delighted to be proved wrong however!!)
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I said last night (I think) I kind of blacked out for a while (either that or it was numbness) when we get relegated we'll look back on this and think well that's where we went wrong! NO defenders signed when we are defensively bollocks, No leaders in the team and none signed, I just hope the last few months pass by less painful than the first few
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I just cannot express as angry as I am
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
Because either;
A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.
B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.
You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue. The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation. Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.
So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.
The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.
The problem is all three- they all need to go but right now the only hope of survival is booting lambert out!
Lerner will surely look to sell up in the summer .
Lambert should have gone after the Southampton game - tactics, selections and formations are a joke .
Lerner has presided over this fiasco and of course he should go - he has put a lot of cash into the club but his decision making is shocking - as for faulkner hes just a useless yesman !
All 3 need to fuck off but it will take time to sell- there is no excuse for keeping lambert whatsoever!
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Just a thought...
do you think Lambert got Dawkins in as a way of highlighting the fact he had next to nothing to spend, therefore deflecting the fans frustrations to Lerner and Faulkner as opposed to himself? A little like how Lerner appointed TSM to deflect the frustration away from him when he wanted to cost cut
Yep I think that might be right.
There's the game going on within the club now, has been for the last fortnight if you read the quotes, read between the lines.
Everyones positioning themselves to avoid blame, PR men claiming Randy has always backed his Managers financially whilst the day before Lambert's saying we can't really afford anybody. Lambert's getting his alibi in for his next job interview whilst Lerner is going to blame the Manager who ,as they like to point out, was the fans choice all along.
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
I've just apologised. Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show! ;)
You mean the Clampy and Eastie show? ;)
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
I've just apologised. Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show! ;)
God forbid :D
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
Yes they make myself and clampy look like soulmates by comparison :D
He got it right the right time clamps ;)
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
So you either have to sign an unexperienced Championship player or a hugely overpaid mercenary?
Shit, there was me thinking there was something in between.
Now Drummond. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?
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Paul sharner for starters would have been a great loan.
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
So you either have to sign an unexperienced Championship player or a hugely overpaid mercenary?
Shit, there was me thinking there was something in between.
Now Drummond. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?
How about going out and getting a centreback on loan? Are there none out there?
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I'm hoping there's still a chance Lerner genuinely believes that Lambert can keep us up, and when reality sinks in, he'll panic and appoint someone else, preferably with us not totally cut adrift at the bottom. I realise that would mean Randy being far more of a fuckwitt than even his biggest detractors credited him with, but we have to hope.
The deliberately letting us go down scenario still doesn't ring true to me. Its just daft unless Lerner likes losing a fortune.
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Paul sharner for starters would have been a great loan.
Spot on. Perhaps he wasn't "young and hungry" enough
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I think some of our lads must be fucking starving
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Off to work. Would be fun by the time i get back if we could have Risso, Drummond, eastie and Clampy all going for each others throats in a furious debate on our current plight. We could sell bloody tickets for that one. Happy, shiny people ; 8)
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
I've just apologised. Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show! ;)
You mean the Clampy and Eastie show? ;)
The Eastie Show, featuring Clampy.
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I'm hoping there's still a chance Lerner genuinely believes that Lambert can keep us up, and when reality sinks in, he'll panic and appoint someone else, preferably with us not totally cut adrift at the bottom. I realise that would mean Randy being far more of a fuckwitt than even his biggest detractors credited him with, but we have to hope.
The deliberately letting us go down scenario still doesn't ring true to me. Its just daft unless Lerner likes losing a fortune.
I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?
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Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. ;D
I've just apologised. Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show! ;)
You mean the Clampy and Eastie show? ;)
The Eastie Show, featuring Clampy.
:D
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Paul sharner for starters would have been a great loan.
Spot on. Perhaps he wasn't "young and hungry" enough
would have been great . someone who would fight for the cause , gets stuck in , can play two positions ( that we need ) , defend corners and pops up with a goal. would not have said that two seasons ago but we are now desperate.
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I'm hoping there's still a chance Lerner genuinely believes that Lambert can keep us up, and when reality sinks in, he'll panic and appoint someone else, preferably with us not totally cut adrift at the bottom. I realise that would mean Randy being far more of a fuckwitt than even his biggest detractors credited him with, but we have to hope.
The deliberately letting us go down scenario still doesn't ring true to me. Its just daft unless Lerner likes losing a fortune.
I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?
yep thats what we've got to hope frankly. It wouldn't be the first time he's been totally taken in by a manager, although at least with MON you could see how he took people in. Lambchop on the other hand seems charisma free, and if he can't convince the players to listen to him, its hard to work out why he's succeeded with Randy.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
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Just a thought...
do you think Lambert got Dawkins in as a way of highlighting the fact he had next to nothing to spend, therefore deflecting the fans frustrations to Lerner and Faulkner as opposed to himself? A little like how Lerner appointed TSM to deflect the frustration away from him when he wanted to cost cut
Both very good points, the latter I believe to be true, interesting about the former.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?
I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here, though. Examples of what, players in the position we need them, for reasonable money? Is it your view that no such players exist?
Everyone knows January is difficult, but we are in an extremely difficult situation at the moment, and desperately needed to strengthen at obvious points in the team. Those points of weakness have been obvious to all and sundry for months now.
We haven't done that, but we've found the money and wages to get in a young player from Ligue 2 and an attacker from the MLS on loan.
I don't have any problem with Sylla and Dawkins. I don't know anything about them, so don't want to run them down now. That's not the point, though, it is all about the players we didn't buy, rather than the ones we did.
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I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?
The assertion that he believes we won't go down isn't really problematic for me - he's our manager, I'd be more concerned if he started saying we will go down, he's just saying what he's expected to.
It is what he says next when asked why he believes that that worries me. "I just believe it, I really do" isn't even a proper answer.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?
I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here, though. Examples of what, players in the position we need them, for reasonable money? Is it your view that no such players exist?
Everyone knows January is difficult, but we are in an extremely difficult situation at the moment, and desperately needed to strengthen at obvious points in the team. Those points of weakness have been obvious to all and sundry for months now.
We haven't done that, but we've found the money and wages to get in a young player from Ligue 2 and an attacker from the MLS on loan.
I don't have any problem with Sylla and Dawkins. I don't know anything about them, so don't want to run them down now. That's not the point, though, it is all about the players we didn't buy, rather than the ones we did.
All the players I listed above are the sort we need, would have improved us, and wouldn't cost the earth.
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
Because either;
A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.
B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.
You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue. The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation. Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.
So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.
The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.
C: He's staked his reputation on the young and hungry line and by signing experience would be admitting that he got it wrong and he's not yet willing to do that, so he's backed himself and the squad to turn it around and prove everyone wrong.
He's been telling us as much for months but the fans don't want to hear the manager telling them that he's risking the clubs league status as part of an ego trip.
He could've arranged a loan for central defender, I refuse to believe there wasn't a single experienced central defender available (Upson going out on loan is proof enough of this). He, therefore, clearly feels he can get more of the current defenders than we've seen so far, that's not a decision from Lerner or Faulkner, that's 100% Lambert.
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I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?
The assertion that he believes we won't go down isn't really problematic for me - he's our manager, I'd be more concerned if he started saying we will go down, he's just saying what he's expected to.
It is what he says next when asked why he believes that that worries me. "I just believe it, I really do" isn't even a proper answer.
Yes it's always a concern when the response to why he thinks we'll stay up is, 'we just will'. Unfortunately there's very little evidence to suggest we can, in fact the only positive is that we're not adrift at the bottom of the table. Lambert doesn't appear to have a remotely sensible plan and we've missed our last opportunity to address our obvious problems.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
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Sadly Lambert is totally out of his depth. He resembles Steve Kean more each day, blindly going from one disaster to the next seemingly protected by a batshit mad owner. No-one knows why Blackburn kept Kean and no-one knows why Lambert is still here, but the end result will be the same.
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
Because either;
A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.
B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.
You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue. The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation. Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.
So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.
The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.
C: He's staked his reputation on the young and hungry line and by signing experience would be admitting that he got it wrong and he's not yet willing to do that, so he's backed himself and the squad to turn it around and prove everyone wrong.
He's been telling us as much for months but the fans don't want to hear the manager telling them that he's risking the clubs league status as part of an ego trip.
He could've arranged a loan for central defender, I refuse to believe there wasn't a single experienced central defender available (Upson going out on loan is proof enough of this). He, therefore, clearly feels he can get more of the current defenders than we've seen so far, that's not a decision from Lerner or Faulkner, that's 100% Lambert.
I agree paul- lambert could gave gone out and strengthened the defence - he must carry the can for not doing so.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
Carrico excepted, as I don't know who he is, everyone of those players would be in our first team immeadiately. What's more their costs would be fairly minimal.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
Eh?
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I don't think there's a single person on here who hasn't repeatedly reiterated the need for a defensive midfielder and a centre back, ideally experienced ones, over the last few months.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
I would quit while behind here drummond, you are in danger of looking like villa were at chelsea.
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Coker on a free now, if we can.
Do it.
We need an experienced leader in the middle. He's a bit shite, but he'd improve our midfield.
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Coker on a free now, if we can.
Do it.
We need an experienced leader in the middle. He's a bit shite, but he'd improve our midfield.
Free agents can still be signed i think - nothing to lose.
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I haven't once called for exciting or expensive players, just a bit of experience, ie a defender and midfielder who can tighten us up, and hit the ground running.
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Haven't we got a press conference today? Can't wait to see what the mumbling retard comes out with next. No doubt there's a very good reason why he thought a reserve spurs attacking midfield player was his No.1 priority this transfer window.
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I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?
Because either;
A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.
B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.
You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue. The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation. Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.
So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.
The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.
C: He's staked his reputation on the young and hungry line and by signing experience would be admitting that he got it wrong and he's not yet willing to do that, so he's backed himself and the squad to turn it around and prove everyone wrong.
He's been telling us as much for months but the fans don't want to hear the manager telling them that he's risking the clubs league status as part of an ego trip.
He could've arranged a loan for central defender, I refuse to believe there wasn't a single experienced central defender available (Upson going out on loan is proof enough of this). He, therefore, clearly feels he can get more of the current defenders than we've seen so far, that's not a decision from Lerner or Faulkner, that's 100% Lambert.
Paul, I think this is right. Lambert - like MON and others before him - appears to be pretty convinced by his own rectitude and admitting to an apparently failed strategy is incredibly difficult for people who see themslves as natural leaders. It, however, shows much more leadership capability to be able to re-assess and revise strategy on the go.
The lack of defensive reinforcement is mind-blowing, in the context of the last three and a half seasons' performance.
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I'm all for a long term plan. I'm also all for a defence that dose'nt constantly concede from corners and lose to Bradford over two games. That's the difference.
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I've heard that since MON ran away the club has paid out getting on for £50 million in compensation to our various ex managers and their staff. That's money that could and should have been spent on players.
Getting rid of Lambert now would mean more compo to pay out, in turn leading to less money for the next poor sod that rocks up as manager to spend on players.
We have to get out of this cycle of dumping managers every 18 months and Randy Lerner needs to back the manager to the hilt with the proper financial resources needed.
It's a bloody ridiculous situation when we are spending more on getting rid of people than we are spending on the future of the club.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
You might have noticed that Sissoko did rather well against us on Tuesday.
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Its of course important to have a manager long term but if it is the wrong man then there is no justification in doing so.
Lerner cannot be blamed for appointing lambert but he sure as hell is to blame for not having got rid of him by now.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!
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I haven't once called for exciting or expensive players, just a bit of experience, ie a defender and midfielder who can tighten us up, and hit the ground running.
Yes. When you look at the players being suggested by fans in the Window thread they weren't world beaters. They were journeymen, some of whom had played for us under MON, who could come in and do a job until we stayed up, collected the money from next year's TV deal and tried to move on from the past three years of being run-down.
The Board have down-sized, and managed expectations downwards for three years and Aston Villa fans have responded accordingly. We were defining out expectations around the likes of NRC, Davies, Gosling, Scharner etc where a few short years ago we coveted trophies and some of the top players in the game.
And the really sad thing? Even our very, very, very low ambitions this window actually proved unrealistic for the Lerner and Faulkner circus had reduced the bar still further.
Brian is spot on in his post. Even if we somehow stay up with this squad, let the record state that Lerner and Faulkner's 'management' displayed a wilful neglect of Aston Villa to at least equal what Doug did in the 80s.
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I'm struggling to see what Drummond's point is there to be honest. He asked for a list of players of the sort we needed that went to our rivals, and I gave their names. He then seems to be accusing me of not wanting that "sort" of player, which is a) beside the point of what he asked, and b) not true in any case. I'd have been delighted with most of them to be honest.
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You might have noticed that Sissoko did rather well against us on Tuesday.
It's also worth noting that his transfer fee of 1.5m is offset by a contract of, allegedly, 70k p/w for 6 1/2 years. so he's effectively a £25m investment, minimum.
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If it's the right player then you have to invest to survive/improve sometimes. It's very early days but I predict that Sissoko will be worth that investment whether he stays or eventually they sell him.
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You might have noticed that Sissoko did rather well against us on Tuesday.
It's also worth noting that his transfer fee of 1.5m is offset by a contract of, allegedly, 70k p/w for 6 1/2 years. so he's effectively a £25m investment, minimum.
£25m over 6 1/2 years, we'll lose that and more in one year when we're relegated. He looks like a good young player, and was so cheap that if they ever decide to sell him they'll be hard pressed to make a loss on him. He probably paid his wages for the year by setting up their first goal to move them up the table 3 places.
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You might have noticed that Sissoko did rather well against us on Tuesday.
It's also worth noting that his transfer fee of 1.5m is offset by a contract of, allegedly, 70k p/w for 6 1/2 years. so he's effectively a £25m investment, minimum.
£25m over 6 1/2 years, we'll lose that and more in one year when we're relegated. He looks like a good young player, and was so cheap that if they ever decide to sell him they'll be hard pressed to make a loss on him. He probably paid his wages for the year by setting up their first goal to move them up the table 3 places.
Exactly. £25 million across 6 and half years is hardly a bank breaking investment for a quality player.
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You have to speculate to accumulate.
Not only would Sissoko have been good but I think some of Newcastles other surprisingly cheap (transfer fees) French players like Debuchy and Gouffran could be potentially very good indeed.
Of all the teams in the bottom 8, I think we've done the worst business and we're in the worst form. If we finish bottom, I won't be surprised.
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I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko. Did he really stand out? Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.
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Of all the teams in the bottom 8, I think we've done the worst business and we're in the worst form.
And by quite a considerable distance I'm afraid to say.
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I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko. Did he really stand out? Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.
He's new to the league, but set up their goal which ultimately was enough to win them the game. He faded second half but the damage was done by then.
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I'm not saying it's right or wrong that we didn't get him, I'd have loved to see him join us as I think he'll settle in to the premier league really well. I'm just pointing out that we didn't miss out on him for want of spending 1.5m, we missed out for want of spending 25m, which does make a big difference. It may just have been a sum that Lambert wasn't comfortable with.
I'm far more concerned that we didn't spend 1m (total) securing a 4-5month loan of scharner/upson/etc to offer some experience in defence.
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Risso sums it up. Even if you try to pick hypothetic holes like Scharner wanting to return to his old club, Newcastle offering Sissoko more money and Frimpong wanting to stay in London. We are not being unreasonable in believing it was possible to do enough to stay up. I can't believe I'm saying it but if Sylla turns out to be just the type of midfield player we were looking for, in years to come we could be saying we would have stayed up if only we had got Matthew Upson on loan for a couple of months instead of him going to Brighton!
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The French flag-waving by the Jawdees at the end of the game the other night was quite ironic really.
If Houllier was still here I bet half of them would be playing for us by now.
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The whole business is very very odd. The decisions made by the board and the managers over the last couple of years have been suspect to say the least. Do you think we will ever discover what the thinking has been behind these decisions or will it be buried forever? It would be just nice to know whether RL and PF are simply out of their depth or if there is more to than this than meets the eye. Either way an explanation is due.
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'Nous'.
The most accurate word to describe what this Villa side is so desperately lacking. I find it hard to believe that we've had a whole month to bring that in- even if it was just players to be part of the squad and influence the kids in training on a day-to-day basis, like previous managers have with Colin Calderwood, Ronnie Johnsen, etc. it's not just the team that's lacking in leaders and experience, it's the entire squad.
In my opinion (and I'm sure this will be laughed at) Lambert's biggest mistake will go down as selling James Collins. For all of his supposed fault's I'm utterly convinced that if he'd stayed this season we'd be about 5 places higher in the League and heading to Wembley in a few weeks.
I think Lambert (and many others) underestimated just how big a part the momentum of back-to-back promotions played in Norwich's PL finish last year. The players were all confident and relaxed knowing that they had nothing to either prove or lose. They also had a team and squad that was well-integrated, which helped to compensate for it's lack of Premiership experience.
At Villa he's had no momentum, experience or genuine quality and without any of those 3 it's always going to be a struggle. Regardless of any lack of backing from Lerner, I have to say that I think Lambert's inexperience could prove to be just as costly to us this season.
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Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
No that crown still belongs to Billy McNeil and DOL
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Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
No that crown still belongs to Billy McNeil and DOL
Not for me it doesnt - i was a season ticket holder during mcneills dreadful season and for me lambert is worse!
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I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.
I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.
In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.
Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.
I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
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Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
No that crown still belongs to Billy McNeil and DOL
O'Leary was the most unpopular perhaps, after McLeish, but he took a side that nearly got relegated, and took us to 6th place, and indeed we only missed out on Europe that year because the ref in the final game against Man U made two unbelievable decisions that cost us the match.
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I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.
I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.
In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.
Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.
I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager and will take time .
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I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
That's exactly why people don't agree. Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is. So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues. The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing. Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.
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I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.
I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.
In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.
Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.
I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager and will take time .
I agree about owner but disagree about manager. I think I'd be proven right in the long run if he's allowed to stay in post.
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I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
That's exactly why people don't agree. Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is. So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues. The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing. Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.
Diagree Risso. Look at the way Everton are run. Look at the way Swansea are run. It pains me to admit it, but look at the way the Albion have been run the past few seasons (although their rise has involved relegation). Three clubs there who aren't bankrolled by a billionaire and are doing well. The difference is that those clubs are run by people who have a feel for the club and know what they are doing.
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I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
That's exactly why people don't agree. Money shouldn't be the most important thing in football these days, but unfortunately it is. So you either accept that and run Aston Villa as a Premier League club with all the attendant bollocks that that status brings, or you have the biggest club in England's second city run as a sort of cooperative in the lower leagues. The model has changed so that it's impossible for small teams to compete on an equal footing. Taking a step backwards in football as in relegation involves a financial sacrifice so big that there's no guarantee you'll ever recover from it, as the likes of Forest and Wednesday have found to their cost.
I'm sick of it being about the money, it's why Barry left, and why plenty of others go too. I'm stuck in an awful place where I love my team, but hate what they are part of and can't do a thing about either.
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I agree about owner but disagree about manager. I think I'd be proven right in the long run if he's allowed to stay in post.
Even if I agreed about him being a good manager (which I don't) the fact is he's entirely the wrong manager to work with Lerner as things stand. We need a wily old head, a wheeler-delaer type who would get his side scrapping to the last, and would maybe have called in a few favours to boost the squad. I've never seen a Villa side that is as mentally weak as the current one, and that lack of confidence isn't helped by the manager. Lambert also doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes, as he has shown by persisting with that ridiculous 5-3-2 abortion of a formation.
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I give in. I really don't think I can be arsed trying any more, I've more important things to worry about. If I stop arguing the point perhaps people will focus more on other ways to move us forward and directing their ire in a more appropriate direction.
I think though, that whilst I'm not happy about it, we are where we are through the naivety of our owner, the lack of direction from the board and the shambles of many years.
In all honesty, it's been this bad for ever, we're now just arguing that we need 2 more players to stay up, previously it was 2 more players to get a European place, that itself took the place of two more players to win the league.
Our club has been decline for many, many years and despite a brief feeling of hope when Lerner came in, it's the same old.
I do believe that sometimes you have to take a step back before the plan works and you move forward but it's clear most people don't agree and that the financial implications and potential relegation are too big a worry.
If we had a graham taylor type around the corner maybe we could rise again but i dont see it - it needs a whole new start new owner, new manager and will take time .
I don't think it's as bad as that. The club needs a different approach whilst not puttting our Premiership status under threat. What i mean by that is, better knowledge of the game at boardroom level. Steve Stride (for example) i think would have advised Randy against employing TSM.
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I'm sick of it being about the money, it's why Barry left, and why plenty of others go too. I'm stuck in an awful place where I love my team, but hate what they are part of and can't do a thing about either.
On that we are in total agreement then. If I lived back in the UK I honestly think I'd pick a local non-league team to follow and go and watch them, where your attendance and custom would be appreciated as it makes a difference.
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No, bollocks you're not going to sneak that in, I'm not agreeing with you out of principle.....
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I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko. Did he really stand out? Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.
I didn't see anything special either.
I fact, what I was astounded by was how the Newcastle players failed to cope with the effects of gravity in B6.
I saw a bloody awful Villa side for 45 minutes and then a quite good one for 45 minutes, who on balance, should have won against a bloody awful Newcastle.
There are not enough occasions where we've won games, largely because there haven't been too many occasions where we have deserved to. Tuesday was an exception.
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Probably as good a point as any to bow out I think!
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Standby young clamps- the risso and Drummond show is back up and running!
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I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko. Did he really stand out? Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.
I didn't see anything special either.
I thought he looked very good when he was playing in a more defensive role, but then for some reason they pushed him into a more advanced role and he drifted out of the game. There was the one occasion when Bannan tried to get the ball off him and he just held him off like the baddies used to hold off Scrappy Doo in the old cartoons.
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I thought he was excellent defensively, and didn't he play the through ball for their first goal?
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Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)
etc, etc
Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.
Carrico excepted, as I don't know who he is, everyone of those players would be in our first team immeadiately. What's more their costs would be fairly minimal.
Why in gods name sign sylla for 2m who will prob need time to bed in, when frimpong is available on loan and better than anything we have? we could be cut adrift befort sylla gets up to speed. Drop in Ben Haim with Vlaar at the back and I genuinely believe we would have enough to survive. The wages would be less than hutton and warnock who have just left - not a penny spent. Something does not ring true behind the scenes for me...
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I was at the game Tuesday and didn't see anything special from Sissoko. Did he really stand out? Maybe I was concentrating on how inept we were all over the park to notice.
I didn't see anything special either.
I thought he looked very good when he was playing in a more defensive role, but then for some reason they pushed him into a more advanced role and he drifted out of the game. There was the one occasion when Bannan tried to get the ball off him and he just held him off like the baddies used to hold off Scrappy Doo in the old cartoons.
I think that says more about Bannan than Sissoko.
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I'd have liked Frimpong as well. We could have got in both him and Sylla, and someone like Upson. It would have made a huge difference.
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I have been watching Villa for 50 years and up until 3 years ago couldn't see relegation as the slightest possibility. I see us over the years as a bit like Everton, probably never going to be financed well enough to break into the top 4 but never out of the premiership, I now know this is almost certainly wrong. The blame for me has got to lie with Lerner. I for one don't doubt his intentions but like others have said, he inherited money but no business or management sense.
I don't want us to spend as QPR have (probably stay up but they are the next Portsmouth just waiting to happen) but what an opportunity lost. We only need to get one more point than the 3 teams around us which sounds likely but we all know its not going to happen with our deficiencies.
Give Lerner a hard time? He is never there and probably couldn't care less. We can't take it out on the players, if they show commitment like 2nd half last week then I can except it. What really scares me is that teams that fight relegation for years then drop rarely bounce back. I guess what I am saying is that their is bugger all we can do about it, it won't bother Lerner if you give the pie, pint and programme a miss as some are suggesting!
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Probably as good a point as any to bow out I think!
Of course we agree on the football aspect, I think virtually all of us will. It's shit that it's about money and whilst I want to forget about Aston Villa and the shit place we find ourselves in, unfortunately I can't.
I don't believe everything in the garden is rosy, but I don't believe Lambert has had enough time to try and drag this club from where it is. I know we all have our opinions on the whys and wherefores of the situation but I'm right, as are each of you, until we're proven wrong. I think we may need to drop down in order to have a chance to reach the top again, it's hardly what I want to think but I can't see how we can go any other way (strategy I mean rather than relegation) under our current ownership.
We might sink and never get out but we may otherwise continue to hover as an ever-present also-ran.
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Probably as good a point as any to bow out I think!
I think we may need to drop down in order to have a chance to reach the top again
Your not serious?
If we drop we will be gone for a while, see Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Derby etc... etc...
And also the finiancial situation will be worse! if that's possible
Wake up, relegation would be the worst thing to happen to us
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If Lerner is a businessman and not a football man, can he make more money by prioritizing finding lower league players and selling them on for a profit rather than remaining in the premiership.
Serious question. We have shelled out huge amounts on Curtis Davies, Fabian Delph, Ashley Young etc....so could Lerner be thinking that this is a better way of making money regardless of our premiership status. If he can find young and upcoming talent, they won't be on big wages, and if they are successful, he can sell them on, and if they aren't, they can play for us till their contract is up. Again, this is not in jest, could this be the reason behind the new transfer policy...
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The only people probably not bothered by relegation are the geeks who can add to their "football grounds visited" scrapbook. But even that us an honour in itself and shows a hell of a lot of commitment.
Let the record show...If we go down, I believe this board would prefer play-offs and a Wembley pay out, rather than automatic promotion.
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In oct 2012 the situation was nowhere near as bad as now - your points are irrelevant!
Thanks Eastie for your intelligent contribution as ever. By the way can I check with you do you want Lambert sacked?
mr-villa's points are not irrelevant and nothing has changed in policy terms to make the situation so different from October 12.
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I think everybody should be respected for their opinion. Maybe Drummond is right we should go down and sort out our problems in the division below theres something in that. However I cant see the owner sorting anything out. He is not a football man. Very decent man no doubt but not a football man. Lacks the knowledge. Why did he sell The Browns and not us? I guess that was because hes a quiet introverted
man who doesnt like verbal abuse aimed at him and Im sure that as The Browns are as bad as us thats what he got.
Its probably the reason he doesnt come over here very much.
I cant see Lambert going either for the often stated financial reasons involving big compensation for himself and his dreadful coaching staff.
Faulkner could be moved out but I think Lerner sees him as a trusted employee and the compensation aspect comes into it again.
I think we have to hope that Lambert starts to get it right and personally I dont think he will in the games we have left.
Whats the answer? Maybe Randy will sell the club and cut his losses but then again maybe he wont.
As Ive said before I cant see any light at the end of the tunnel.
I cant even see the tunnel.
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We are a shambles for sure.
5 wins in 40 games.
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Probably as good a point as any to bow out I think!
I think we may need to drop down in order to have a chance to reach the top again
Your not serious?
If we drop we will be gone for a while, see Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Derby etc... etc...
And also the finiancial situation will be worse! if that's possible
Wake up, relegation would be the worst thing to happen to us
Or maybe we'll do what Newcastle did and keep their players and bounce right back up; they did very well in their first season and are now struggling again. They should have invested in the summer.
Let's face it, there won't be many clubs clamouring to sign our players will there? Especially if they are as shit as many would have you believe. Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
There isn't any need for that last bit.
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
Sorry could you explain what a mongoloid is please?
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
Sorry could you explain what a mongoloid is please?
I believe it's an unfunny attempt at a joke.
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
Sorry could you explain what a mongoloid is please?
I believe it's an unfunny attempt at a joke.
With regards to the post, I don't think there'd be too much interest in Westwood yet, he hasn't really proven himself to be the player we all claim he is on here.
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
I also get the impression that Guzan would remain loyal to the club and give it least one season trying to get back up.
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
I also get the impression that Guzan would remain loyal to the club and give it least one season trying to get back up.
What after we let him go last season?
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
I wonder if we would be able to send him out on loan for a season if we go down.
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
I wonder if we would be able to send him out on loan for a season if we go down.
He'll be looking for a bigger club. Basically said as much before signing. Relegation will only expedite that.
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I'm not sure Benteke would go actually, in fact I'm not sure that any of Lambert's signings would. Vlaar and Benteke are the two most likely granted but a number of international players haven't left relegated clubs before and those two have only just signed deals.
Of course Dunne will be leaving and perhaps Ireland and N'Zogbia would go too, but frankly that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
We've two keepers and would only need one. My guess is that Given would leave but that Guzan would stay, he was almost ready to sign for a Championship club in the summer until we came back in for him so my gut reaction would be that he'd stick, provided he was number one.
As for the rest, well I don't see them going; the most likely would be Gabby but I reckon he'd actually want to stay for a year to try and get us back up. Weimann is still too raw and is of course about to sign a new contract.
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I'm not sure Benteke would go actually, in fact I'm not sure that any of Lambert's signings would. Vlaar and Benteke are the two most likely granted but a number of international players haven't left relegated clubs before and those two have only just signed deals.
Of course Dunne will be leaving and perhaps Ireland and N'Zogbia would go too, but frankly that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
We've two keepers and would only need one. My guess is that Given would leave but that Guzan would stay, he was almost ready to sign for a Championship club in the summer until we came back in for him so my gut reaction would be that he'd stick, provided he was number one.
As for the rest, well I don't see them going; the most likely would be Gabby but I reckon he'd actually want to stay for a year to try and get us back up. Weimann is still too raw and is of course about to sign a new contract.
So do you believe there would be a basis left there to get us back into the Premiership?
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Given their youth and length of contracts etc, we won't have to sell.
What makes you think we'll have a choice?
Players hold all the cards and do you seriously believe that Guzan, Westwood and Benteke will hang around?
I don't buy this 'Go down to come back up stronger' cack either as it conveniently sidetracks the fact that we have a mongoloid owning the club.
There isn't any need for that last bit.
You're right, it was out of order.
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Well, based on what I've said, Dunne, Ireland and N'Zogbia would go. And I forgot to mention Bent, he doubtless would leave.
So, no I don't think it is. We'd need another defender (which I think we already do) and we'd need at least one more midfielder, but in all honesty two. Though Gardner returning will be of benefit for sure.
Then we would need another striker. Delfouneso will have finished his loan and will have played a season at that level but I'm not sure he'll ever be quite good enough.
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Well, based on what I've said, Dunne, Ireland and N'Zogbia would go.
Who do you expect would match Ireland and N'Zogbia's wages?
Why would they want to leave?
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I think they'd drop wages to leave and stay in the top division.
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Agreed. Benteke would definitely go, as for Guzan, he's good, but not that good. Definitely not beyond the realms of probability that he'd stay.
I also get the impression that Guzan would remain loyal to the club and give it least one season trying to get back up.
What after we let him go last season?
Yes even after letting him go last season, its just my opinion but I think he'd stick around for at least another season.
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I think they'd drop wages to leave and stay in the top division.
Not a chance with Ireland. It's pretty well known that he treats it purely as a job (rather than something he really enjoys doing), so the likelihood of him deciding to take a wage cut is minimal at best.
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Fair enough. We're lumbered.
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I'm not sure Benteke would go actually, in fact I'm not sure that any of Lambert's signings would. Vlaar and Benteke are the two most likely granted but a number of international players haven't left relegated clubs before and those two have only just signed deals.
Of course Dunne will be leaving and perhaps Ireland and N'Zogbia would go too, but frankly that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
We've two keepers and would only need one. My guess is that Given would leave but that Guzan would stay, he was almost ready to sign for a Championship club in the summer until we came back in for him so my gut reaction would be that he'd stick, provided he was number one.
As for the rest, well I don't see them going; the most likely would be Gabby but I reckon he'd actually want to stay for a year to try and get us back up. Weimann is still too raw and is of course about to sign a new contract.
So do you believe there would be a basis left there to get us back into the Premiership?
I actually think that those bought by Lambert would stay, at least for one more season. They are under contract so unless the offer was stupid there wouldn't be a huge need to sell. The likes of Makoun, Hutton, Given, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Bent would all be sold though. They don't really fit, and for the £20m or so they'd bring in could be replaced at that level for a lot less. Much of getting back is positive momentum and we have none right now. Lambert has shown he can bring a team up. It just needs to be his team.
Fuck me, I hate even discussing the topic of promotion. Feel dirty.
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I think they'd drop wages to leave and stay in the top division.
But why would they do that? How does earning less money benefit them? It's not like they're putting their international careers or Champions League dreams at risk.
Assuming Ireland is on £60,000 per week and N'Zogbia is on £40,000 per week, they're not going to be heading off to Spurs or Liverpool, so why would they go and earn half as much (at best) playing for Cardiff or Norwich rather than sitting out their contract and earning the money that they are owed?
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Zigic has insisted on staying at the Dog Shit and is reputedly bleeding them dry to the tune of £65,000pw.
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Zigic has insisted on staying at the Dog Shit and is reputedly bleeding them dry to the tune of £65,000pw.
Peter Pan can't like that! Administration beckons!
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Correct me if I am wrong by all means but didnt Lambert say about three weeks ago. "Randy doesnt want any loan players".
Which means either Lerner is a liar or Lambert is.
Who scouted this MLS player was it Henke ?
This disastrous regime has brought our historic club to its knees.
Simon Dawkins sounds like a Blue Peter presenter!
On a positive note and Im struggling here. Darren Bent is still here and Dawkins is only on loan to the end of the season.
Lambert is now probably the worst manager in our clubs history.
Totally incomprehensibly and totally gutless.
It doesn't mean anyone's a liar. They probably didn't want any loan players but perhaps they didn't have much option and the ones they wanted to buy didn't come to fruition.
We could of course have spunked a commitment of £32m to sign Samba like QPR did. I've no doubt he wasn't what they wanted but nobody was prepared to release other players.
So you either have to sign an unexperienced Championship player or a hugely overpaid mercenary?
Shit, there was me thinking there was something in between.
Now Drummond. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?
In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?
We could have spent the money we did on the wages of Scharner, Upson and Reo-Coker, and I'd feel a bit more hopeful.
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Now, cmo'n lets have a laugh tonight. Watch this and you will laugh. It follows loads of the same things but this is new, just a few days ago. Laugh, ladies and Gents and get all the anger out of you. UTV
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We are a shambles for sure.
5 wins in 40 games.
I worked it out yesterday in 62 league games we've won 11
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Zigic has insisted on staying at the Dog Shit and is reputedly bleeding them dry to the tune of £65,000pw.
And rising, hilariously.
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The promoted teams are going to have £60m burning a hole in their pockets, I can see a fair bit of that turning up in our coffers for some of the 'star names'
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If we go down, there will have to be a fire sale to get rid of the players on the biggest wages, so expect yet more losses on transfer fees. Those expecting Benteke to stick around are deluding themselves. He'll be off regardless of whether we stay up or not. Relegation will see the likes of Bent, Vlaar and N'Zogbia go for sure and maybe Gabby. The only proper money we'll recoup will be Benteke (about £15m or thereabouts).
You know, I'm probably just as deluded but I think if we can get Bent scoring and Benteke / Gabby go on a run of getting us goals we can still escape this filthy mess.
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I really don't get the logic of some people on here .The likes of Makoun, Hutton, Given, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Bent would all be sold now if we could - we can't shift them so they'll definetely be here next season unless we give them away, while players like Benteke will be flogged to raise cash and keep us afloat. It's what always happen in these circumstances. The quality gets sold and you're left with the arse.
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I really don't get the logic of some people on here .The likes of Makoun, Hutton, Given, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Bent would all be sold now if we could - we can't shift them so they'll definetely be here next season unless we give them away, while players like Benteke will be flogged to raise cash and keep us afloat. It's what always happen in these circumstances. The quality gets sold and you're left with the arse.
True greg and in our case an awful lot of arse!
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
Same with Benteke and Belgium.
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Yep our only hope is survival.
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That we picked the wrong season to fuck up big style.
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Apart from Benteke, I'm really not bothered who goes to be honest, none of them are of the type of quality needed to stay in the division.
I’m also really glad we haven’t gone down the QPR route; I’d rather we did go down and not risk the future of the club. Ludicrous transfer fees and wages, Is what got us into this mess in the first place.
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There's a lack of rallying calls about the club. Not much "Get behind the lads" "We're doing everything we can to get out of this" type noises. It does look like the towel has gone in.
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There's a lack of rallying calls about the club. Not much "Get behind the lads" "We're doing everything we can to get out of this" type noises. It does look like the towel has gone in.
But when the OS posts such stuff from a player all it gets on here is a load of slagging and comments like "Don't tell me, show me."
They'll get pelters whatever they do because at the moment "everything's shit", so they may as well not bother really.
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The crowd have been behind the team though, and they're still shit.
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That we picked the wrong season to fuck up big style.
I know. Unbelievable.
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I really don't get the logic of some people on here .The likes of Makoun, Hutton, Given, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Bent would all be sold now if we could - we can't shift them so they'll definetely be here next season unless we give them away, while players like Benteke will be flogged to raise cash and keep us afloat. It's what always happen in these circumstances. The quality gets sold and you're left with the arse.
It's not a case of giving them away, it's a case of paying up their contracts! Or, at least the lion's share of what their remaining contract is worth.
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
Same with Benteke and Belgium.
There is no way Benteke will remain when we go down, so enjoy him while he is still at the Villa!
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
Same with Benteke and Belgium.
There is no way Benteke will remain when we go down, so enjoy him while he is still at the Villa!
Same applies if we stay up, unfortunately.
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Just listening to 5 Live and Andy Reid said that in our pre season friendly at Forest he felt that we completely lacked confidence once we went a goal down.
He said he was amazed at how quickly we were drained of belief in what was only a pre season friendly. He compared us very unfavourably to Albion, who they also played pre season.
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Just listening to 5 Live and Andy Reid said that in our pre season friendly at Forest he felt that we completely lacked confidence once we went a goal down.
He said he was amazed at how quickly we were drained of belief in what was only a pre season friendly. He compared us very unfavourably to Albion, who they also played pre season.
On reflection the signs were there, we passed it around well in the first two thirds of the field but lacked physicality and presence. We were only talking about this yesterday.
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
He'd also better hope that the Netherland's management haven't been watching his defending this season.
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
He'd also better hope that the Netherland's management haven't been watching his defending this season.
It's a fair point.
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The likes of Vlaar wouldn't stick around, not with a World Cup coming up at the end of next season. A year traipsing around the championship wouldn't do his hopes of staying in the Holland squad any favours.
He'd also better hope that the Netherland's management haven't been watching his defending this season.
Is he really a Dutch international? Or have we been hoodwinked into buying his cousin. A bit like the George Weah incident at Southampton.