Let the record show

[eastie]

I'm hoping there's still a chance Lerner genuinely believes that Lambert can keep us up, and when reality sinks in, he'll panic and appoint someone else, preferably with us  not totally cut adrift at the bottom. I realise that would mean Randy being far more of a fuckwitt than even his biggest detractors credited him with, but we have to hope.

The deliberately letting us go down scenario still doesn't ring true to me. Its just daft unless Lerner likes losing a fortune.

I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?

[eastie]

Let the record show.........That Risso and Drummond cannot quite agree on fucking anything, on any thread. They do make me chuckle. 

I've just apologised.  Don't want us to turn into the new Eastie and Clampy show!

You mean the Clampy and Eastie show? 

The Eastie Show, featuring Clampy.

[JUAN PABLO]

Paul sharner for starters would have been a great loan.

Spot on. Perhaps he wasn't "young and hungry" enough

would have been great .    someone who would fight for the cause , gets stuck in , can play two positions ( that we need ) , defend corners and pops up with a goal.     would not have said that two seasons ago but we are now desperate.

[Greg N'Ash]

I'm hoping there's still a chance Lerner genuinely believes that Lambert can keep us up, and when reality sinks in, he'll panic and appoint someone else, preferably with us  not totally cut adrift at the bottom. I realise that would mean Randy being far more of a fuckwitt than even his biggest detractors credited him with, but we have to hope.

The deliberately letting us go down scenario still doesn't ring true to me. Its just daft unless Lerner likes losing a fortune.

I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?

yep thats what we've got to hope frankly. It wouldn't be the first time he's been totally taken in by a manager, although at least with MON you could see how he took people in. Lambchop on the other hand seems charisma free, and if he can't convince the players to listen to him, its hard to work out why he's succeeded with Randy.

[Risso]

Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?

Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)

etc, etc

[Doorbell]

Just a thought...

do you think Lambert got Dawkins in as a way of highlighting the fact he had next to nothing to spend, therefore deflecting the fans frustrations to Lerner and Faulkner as opposed to himself? A little like how Lerner appointed TSM to deflect the frustration away from him when he wanted to cost cut

Both very good points, the latter I believe to be true, interesting about the former.

[pauliewalnuts]

Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?

In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here, though. Examples of what, players in the position we need them, for reasonable money? Is it your view that no such players exist?

Everyone knows January is difficult, but we are in an extremely difficult situation at the moment, and desperately needed to strengthen at obvious points in the team. Those points of weakness have been obvious to all and sundry for months now.

We haven't done that, but we've found the money and wages to get in a young player from Ligue 2 and an attacker from the MLS on loan.

I don't have any problem with Sylla and Dawkins. I don't know anything about them, so don't want to run them down now. That's not the point, though, it is all about the players we didn't buy, rather than the ones we did.

[pauliewalnuts]

I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?

The assertion that he believes we won't go down isn't really problematic for me - he's our manager, I'd be more concerned if he started saying we will go down, he's just saying what he's expected to.

It is what he says next when asked why he believes that that worries me. "I just believe it, I really do" isn't even a proper answer.

[Risso]

Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?

In January, the clubs want massive money for players or they won't sell. Look at what has been spunked on players that really aren't that good. What's the point in doing what we've always done?

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here, though. Examples of what, players in the position we need them, for reasonable money? Is it your view that no such players exist?

Everyone knows January is difficult, but we are in an extremely difficult situation at the moment, and desperately needed to strengthen at obvious points in the team. Those points of weakness have been obvious to all and sundry for months now.

We haven't done that, but we've found the money and wages to get in a young player from Ligue 2 and an attacker from the MLS on loan.

I don't have any problem with Sylla and Dawkins. I don't know anything about them, so don't want to run them down now. That's not the point, though, it is all about the players we didn't buy, rather than the ones we did.

All the players I listed above are the sort we need, would have improved us, and wouldn't cost the earth. 

[paul_e]

I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?

Because either;

A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.

B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.

You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue.  The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation.  Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.

So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.

The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.

C:  He's staked his reputation on the young and hungry line and by signing experience would be admitting that he got it wrong and he's not yet willing to do that, so he's backed himself and the squad to turn it around and prove everyone wrong.

He's been telling us as much for months but the fans don't want to hear the manager telling them that he's risking the clubs league status as part of an ego trip.

He could've arranged a loan for central defender, I refuse to believe there wasn't a single experienced central defender available (Upson going out on loan is proof enough of this).  He, therefore, clearly feels he can get more of the current defenders than we've seen so far, that's not a decision from Lerner or Faulkner, that's 100% Lambert.

[PaulWinch again]

I can only think that lerner believes all this "we"ll be fine, we wont go down , i know it " shit that mumbles spouts out?

The assertion that he believes we won't go down isn't really problematic for me - he's our manager, I'd be more concerned if he started saying we will go down, he's just saying what he's expected to.

It is what he says next when asked why he believes that that worries me. "I just believe it, I really do" isn't even a proper answer.

Yes it's always a concern when the response to why he thinks we'll stay up is, 'we just will'. Unfortunately there's very little evidence to suggest we can, in fact the only positive is that we're not adrift at the bottom of the table. Lambert doesn't appear to have a remotely sensible plan and we've missed our last opportunity to address our obvious problems.

[Drummond]

Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?

Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)

etc, etc

Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.

[Greg N'Ash]

Sadly Lambert is totally out of his depth. He resembles Steve Kean more each day, blindly going from one disaster to the next seemingly protected by a batshit mad owner. No-one knows why Blackburn kept Kean and no-one knows why Lambert is still here, but the end result will be the same.

[eastie]

I have one question to lambert - why didnt spent all of the money available to you?

Because either;

A) He did, he had virtually no budget to speak of - 4/5 million maybe.

B) Player and Agents knew we were in trouble so fees and salaries go up, players don't want to be tarred with a relegated side.

You can vent all you like at Lambert but you're missing the real issue.  The dismantling of the club over the last 3 years will finally lead to our relegation.  Poor managerial choices, selling your best players, lack of re-investment, lack of a clear plan for the Club, this is why we are where we are this today.

So you complain about Lambert if you like, sure he has his shortcomings, but I can't in all honesty think of many Managers that with this squad and this level of investment that would do much better.

The problem at our Club is Faulkner and Lerner and until they leave I can't see us really improving.

C:  He's staked his reputation on the young and hungry line and by signing experience would be admitting that he got it wrong and he's not yet willing to do that, so he's backed himself and the squad to turn it around and prove everyone wrong.

He's been telling us as much for months but the fans don't want to hear the manager telling them that he's risking the clubs league status as part of an ego trip.

He could've arranged a loan for central defender, I refuse to believe there wasn't a single experienced central defender available (Upson going out on loan is proof enough of this).  He, therefore, clearly feels he can get more of the current defenders than we've seen so far, that's not a decision from Lerner or Faulkner, that's 100% Lambert.

I agree paul- lambert could gave gone out and strengthened the defence - he must carry the can for not doing so.

[PaulWinch again]

Give me some examples. Who else managed to sign the type of player we were looking for?

Wigan - Paul Scharner (loan)
Reading - Daniel Carrico (£600K)
Southampton - Vegard Forren (£4.2m)
QPR - Tal Ben Haim (free)
Newcastle - Moussa Sissoko (£1.8m)
Fulham - Emmanuel Frimpong (loan)

etc, etc

Exciting. Just the sort of players you've been calling for in fact.

Carrico excepted, as I don't know who he is, everyone of those players would be in our first team immeadiately. What's more their costs would be fairly minimal.