Supporter behaviour towards own players

[saunders_heroes]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

His "Hollywood passes" that actually go forward mostly end up going out of play. The only passes of his that reach a teammate are sideways and backwards. He's a waste of space, and the least said about his set pieces the better.

Actually he statistically plays 7 a game and just under 5 of them are accurate, but don't let facts stop a good witch hunt.

You stick to watching Villa via an OPTA spreadsheet and I'll watch us with my eyes.

[onje_villa]

Have we ever been this bad before though? Even in 86-87 I don't remember us being this appalling.

Oh, I do. We finished bottom of the old Division One, with a lot of kids in the side. It was pretty grim. And we've had bad patches before where we were in danger. That first season back in Division One, then 1994-95, 2002-03. There are probably others.

Maybe I'm just unlucky to have the nutters congregate around me at the moment. Not really sure, hence the OP.

Should sit in the Trinity. Won't hear a thing. Literally.

But as others have said, this has always gone on. I remember lots of it in the 90s.

[Apyadg]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

His "Hollywood passes" that actually go forward mostly end up going out of play. The only passes of his that reach a teammate are sideways and backwards. He's a waste of space, and the least said about his set pieces the better.

Actually he statistically plays 7 a game and just under 5 of them are accurate, but don't let facts stop a good witch hunt.

You stick to watching Villa via an OPTA spreadsheet and I'll watch us with my eyes.

That's it, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

[saunders_heroes]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

His "Hollywood passes" that actually go forward mostly end up going out of play. The only passes of his that reach a teammate are sideways and backwards. He's a waste of space, and the least said about his set pieces the better.

Actually he statistically plays 7 a game and just under 5 of them are accurate, but don't let facts stop a good witch hunt.

You stick to watching Villa via an OPTA spreadsheet and I'll watch us with my eyes.

That's it, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Well if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!

[hipkiss92]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

It's all very good saying he keeps it simple, but when he makes a 10 yard pass sideways to Bennett who has two players near to him rather than a fairly simple 20 yard one to Lowton who was in a good 30 yards of space, that's what pisses me and, I think, everyone else off

[onje_villa]

The same Mr Bannan who is barred from the Belfry Golf Course for continually driving his golf buggy onto the tees?
After repeated requests from the green keepers not to do this he came out with the Do you know who i am line.
He was barred on the spot. Arrogance has taken over in football, to much money for doing fuckall. It is a disgrace.
Barry fucking Bannan is not fit to lace a proper footballers boots. Fuck me, i bet Mr Cowans cringes at some of these tossers.

Not every player is like Bannan though. There were plenty Big Time Charlie's back in the day as well.

A lot less in number though. It seems to me that anybody who pulls on a Premier League shirt thinks that they are supreme to everybody else. By buying tickets and other merchandise, we, the fans pay your fucking ridiculously high wages you tossers. Give us some of the respect back that we give you. FFS. Oh, and a couple of visits to the local hospital around Christmas time to hand out a few gifts to poorly kids doesnt do it for me either. Give a weeks worth of your fucking wages to the kids parents so they can afford to live, you overpaid fucking useless wankers. Fuck me i am wound up today. Bollocks to the fucking lot of them. Don't know how they have the fucking nerve to put on a Villa shirt, i really dont.

I have seen Mr Cowans cringe at the carry on of the first team squad. A player refused to have his picture taken with a young lad. Gordon Cowans came over an apologised to the father of the child and said there was nothing he could do and it would not be well received if he asked that player to pose for picture. I could name the player but it would make no difference as I would imagine 90% of the first team squad would react in the same way.
 They are a million miles away from the fans and that is the way it is now and it is not going to change. This distance also explains why we are more likely to turn on them more easily. If they do not bond with us then we do not bond with them.
 
John Deehan used to come and present medals for our team at the end of the season.  It would probably cost 5K to get Barry Bannan for the night. John Gidman used to watch our games on a Sunday as they were near his house. I imagine DB would have to be carried down on a sedan chair if the same was to happen.

My heart would burst with pride watching Chris Nicholl, Tony Morley or Paul McGrath wearing a Villa shirt. I purse my lips every time I see Stephen Ireland lining out in the shirt. 8K a day? If I had the money I would pay the f*cker 8K a day to stay away from VP. We are merely consumers in much the same way as it is with many things in society.

Anyway there you go. One of the most disappointing nights I have had as a Villa fan...and God knows I have seen some shite.

Good post John. Sid sounds like a top bloke.

[saunders_heroes]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

It's all very good saying he keeps it simple, but when he makes a 10 yard pass sideways to Bennett who has two players near to him rather than a fairly simple 20 yard one to Lowton who was in a good 30 yards of space, that's what pisses me and, I think, everyone else off

That's who people should trust their own eyes and not these daft OPTA style stats.

[nigel]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

This is what I mean with Bannan, he hits 40yard passes and he's hollywood, he keeps it simple and just keeps things ticking over he's incapable of passing forwards.

His "Hollywood passes" that actually go forward mostly end up going out of play. The only passes of his that reach a teammate are sideways and backwards. He's a waste of space, and the least said about his set pieces the better.

Actually he statistically plays 7 a game and just under 5 of them are accurate, but don't let facts stop a good witch hunt.

Agree, Paul e.
Isn't his pass accuracy around 79% this season?

I remember posters on this forum, and others, having a pop at Petrov for keeping it simple, making sure we kept the ball.
Not good enough for some though. 'Effing Petrov this, Effing Petrov that'. ' Only passes sideways and back', which, in fact, was a load of b****cks .
I wonder if Westwood will get the same?
Very rarely plays a long ball, but he very rarely gives the ball away.
Someone told me that his pass accuracy is in the upper 80's%.

[Apyadg]

Well if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!

Who said the stats say he's a good player? They just show that, more often or not, his long passes hit their target. It's a tad more reliable than relying on your memory. When you already think Bannan is shit, you're bound to remember the poor passes and forget the good ones.

[nigel]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

I imagine he's now petrified of the reaction he'll get if tries a fancy pass and it goes wrong.  I'm not his biggest fan, but how would you feel if, aged 21, 30,000 people called you a twat when you made a mistake at work?

You're right.
These lads (not kids) are inexperienced, that's all.
They'll be frightened to try anything if the supporters constantly have a go at them every time they make a mistake.
To improve as a player you have to try new things out. If we, as supporters, encourage them the next time they get the opportunity
it might come off.

[Chris Harte]

Should sit in the Trinity. Won't hear a thing. Literally.

Me and my merry band tried that for one game last season (v Sunderland) with a view to a possible permanent move. Where we sat it was just as bad.

[mrfuse]

i can remember scapegoats of old Aan Wright got a load of stick and Frank Caradous at times, both were decent players as well
 but Bannans treatment is as bad a s anything i've seen at VP to be honest

He deserves it. He's pathetic.

I'd love to know what % of Bannan's passes were to Vlaar/Clark last night, he did seem truly incapable of passing forwards or more than ten  yards, no wonder he was first to be subbed

I imagine he's now petrified of the reaction he'll get if tries a fancy pass and it goes wrong.  I'm not his biggest fan, but how would you feel if, aged 21, 30,000 people called you a twat when you made a mistake at work?

It's not the fans fault he's so shit.

I also think he's shit, as I said I'm not his biggest fan, but he plays for the Villa and I want him to improve.  That won't happen when everyone audibly groans when his name is announced

That's my point, we all know Bannan isint great and I don't have a problem people posting words to that effect but Ive seen fans run over when he's taking a corner to hurl abuse at him.

That is just not acceptable to do so to your own player

[Whiney MacWhineface]

One of my first striking, and negative memories was how vitriolic the abuse players got for something I was unable to grasp. And that's a long time ago. You're probably right Chris, in the siting in a fixed position, something I've never done makes it seem worse.

And I suspect a lot of it is down to a power thing. In our everyday lives we're socially very limited to the personal abuse we can dish out to people in public (Internet excepted, of course). But in a crowd, folk can eff and blind the rich and possibly famous without any comeback and feel quite powerful.

[saunders_heroes]

Well if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!

Who said the stats say he's a good player? They just show that, more often or not, his long passes hit their target. It's a tad more reliable than relying on your memory. When you already think Bannan is shit, you're bound to remember the poor passes and forget the good ones.

And vice verse as well. Lots of fans remember remember the very occasional good pass then conveniently forget the dross before and after. He's hopeless, and no OPTA stats will convince me otherwise.

[paul_e]

Well if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!

The problem is you slag him off saying he can't pass when it's proven that he can, the raw stats don't add any colour to it so yes some of his passing may be ineffective at times but you are adding a bias to your recollection because you've already decided he's shit and refuse to accept any evidence suggesting he isn't as bad as you're making out.

I watch the games (only on TV seeing as I don't live anywhere suitable to attending regularly) but I don't watch it waiting for a chance to tell everyone how shit our players are.  They make mistakes and have bad games but very few of them are 'football league standard' as you constantly seem to insist.

I'd personally rather believe that 3-4 good signings would turn us into a decent top half side.