Quote from: Apyadg on January 23, 2013, 04:12:54 PMQuote from: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 04:09:22 PMWell if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!Who said the stats say he's a good player? They just show that, more often or not, his long passes hit their target. It's a tad more reliable than relying on your memory. When you already think Bannan is shit, you're bound to remember the poor passes and forget the good ones.And vice verse as well. Lots of fans remember remember the very occasional good pass then conveniently forget the dross before and after. He's hopeless, and no OPTA stats will convince me otherwise.
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 04:09:22 PMWell if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!Who said the stats say he's a good player? They just show that, more often or not, his long passes hit their target. It's a tad more reliable than relying on your memory. When you already think Bannan is shit, you're bound to remember the poor passes and forget the good ones.
Well if OPTA and co say he's a fine player who am I to argue!
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 23, 2013, 01:47:32 PMQuote from: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 01:42:43 PMHave we ever been this bad before though? Even in 86-87 I don't remember us being this appalling. Oh, I do. We finished bottom of the old Division One, with a lot of kids in the side. It was pretty grim. And we've had bad patches before where we were in danger. That first season back in Division One, then 1994-95, 2002-03. There are probably others.Maybe I'm just unlucky to have the nutters congregate around me at the moment. Not really sure, hence the OP.Off the top of my head I don't remember us being on the end of some of, if not the most humiliating defeats in the club's history in 86-87 though. That's what we've had to endure this season. So for me, so far, this is the worst season ever. We're not down yet and we can still stay up. So all's not lost, yet.
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2013, 01:42:43 PMHave we ever been this bad before though? Even in 86-87 I don't remember us being this appalling. Oh, I do. We finished bottom of the old Division One, with a lot of kids in the side. It was pretty grim. And we've had bad patches before where we were in danger. That first season back in Division One, then 1994-95, 2002-03. There are probably others.Maybe I'm just unlucky to have the nutters congregate around me at the moment. Not really sure, hence the OP.
Have we ever been this bad before though? Even in 86-87 I don't remember us being this appalling.
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 23, 2013, 01:17:44 PMSomething that arised out of last night's game for me, and to be fair has been bugging me for a while now.Is the era of fans being complete arseholes to their own players during a game a relatively new thing or has it always gone on? It certainly seems much worse these days than it ever used to be. I'm all for giving players the bird at full time but during a game it seems counter-productive.I'm particularly interested in the opinions of those who would use the seats even pre-Taylor report, back as far as when I first started going to games regularly in the mid-1980s.There's not a game that goes by it seems when someone is barking abuse at our own players. The three arseholes in the row behind me last night seemed to be particularly targetting Bannan, Ireland and N'Zogbia. In the past, in the days of terracing it would be possible to move away, but thats not the case now, hence my interest in answers from people who've always used seats.The scapegoating, the finger pointing, the barracking of our own players, it's always been the way at Villa Park when things seriously don't go our way. I can't stand it to be honest and fear it could destroy some of our younger players. I suppose the other way of looking at it is that it sifts out the weak from the mentally strong but it doesn't half make Villa Park a wretched, poisonous place to visit. Imagine trying to play football with a baying mob on your back?
Something that arised out of last night's game for me, and to be fair has been bugging me for a while now.Is the era of fans being complete arseholes to their own players during a game a relatively new thing or has it always gone on? It certainly seems much worse these days than it ever used to be. I'm all for giving players the bird at full time but during a game it seems counter-productive.I'm particularly interested in the opinions of those who would use the seats even pre-Taylor report, back as far as when I first started going to games regularly in the mid-1980s.There's not a game that goes by it seems when someone is barking abuse at our own players. The three arseholes in the row behind me last night seemed to be particularly targetting Bannan, Ireland and N'Zogbia. In the past, in the days of terracing it would be possible to move away, but thats not the case now, hence my interest in answers from people who've always used seats.
Last night one thing really caught my attention. Benteke failed to control a ball around the half way line and there was a huge collective groan from the Villa fans. Thinking about it, I'd say we've been doing it for ever. I guess it's just a 'Villa thing'.