Concrete Ron

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Over the last couple of months I've seriously considered the possibility that some Malaysian syndicate have blackmailed Vlaar and he's been doing his upmost to get us relegated.

[PeterWithesShin]

Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.

I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.

He was poor at that Euros, as were most of the Dutch which is why they finished bottom of their group with zero points.

You really don't think a player can play well above, or below, his ability for a 3-6 game period?

[Toronto Villa]

Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.

I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.

He was poor at that Euros, as were most of the Dutch which is why they finished bottom of their group with zero points.

You really don't think a player can play well above, or below, his ability for a 3-6 game period?

Off course they can. Was he really one of the worst defenders at the Euros?

[PeterWithesShin]

Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't 

I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.

[Toronto Villa]

Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't 

I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.

My point was being shit and performing below par are not the same thing.

[RussellC]

I've always thought that Ron's inconsistent form is largely down to how injury-prone he is. His injuries always seems to be muscular too, strains, pulls, etc, which are often quite easy too come-back too soon from, without really realising that you;re doing so.

[PeterWithesShin]

Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't 

I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.

My point was being shit and performing below par are not the same thing.

Rooney was top class at a Euros and has more often than not been shit at every other tournament. It does happen to players.

[Toronto Villa]

Make your mind up, you just said they couldn't 

I never said he was one of the worst, so you should ask that to whoever said he was. I was simply pointing out that a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another.

My point was being shit and performing below par are not the same thing.

Rooney was top class at a Euros and has more often than not been shit at every other tournament. It does happen to players.

Not entirely disagreeing with Rooney but with him it's as much about the position he is played in to accommodate others as it is about his overall performance.

[brontebilly]

Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.

I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.

Plenty raised concerns at the time of his signing due to his injury problems and also his hopeless performance at the Euros before he joined. It looked like our defence in Lambert's first season would include Given, Vlaar and Dunne. The three of them would have been in a worst X1 at Euro 2012.

[Villa in Denmark]

Vlaar was one of the worst defenders at the Euros? We talking the same bloke who received worldwide plaudits for keeping Messi quiet for an entire game? That's the Lionel Messi by the way who is arguably the best player in the game today.

You know Messi can't play at the Euros right?

this reminds me of when Christian was on fire early on in his Villa career...a West Ham fan in our village said that when Benteke fucks off to the Africa Cup of Nations...we'd be fucked...

 

UTV
The Doc

Wow, a West Ham fan using racial profiling?  What next, pictures of a Geordie punching a horse?

[ciggiesnbeer]

Sherwood mentioned Vlaar (and Okore) have been playing through injuries the past couple of games. The Vlaar one is news to me but puts into perspective his Southampton performance.

[OCD]

Sherwood mentioned Vlaar (and Okore) have been playing through injuries the past couple of games. The Vlaar one is news to me but puts into perspective his Southampton performance.

Is it really a surprise though?

[ciggiesnbeer]

Sherwood mentioned Vlaar (and Okore) have been playing through injuries the past couple of games. The Vlaar one is news to me but puts into perspective his Southampton performance.

Is it really a surprise though?

No I suppose not. Sherwood also mentioned he was going to be getting in players who were less injury prone and shipping out some who were, which i thought was remarkably direct.

[Toronto Villa]

According to Sherwood Vlaar has told him he wants to sign a new contract and will be staying at the club.

Tim Sherwood: Ron Vlaar is staying at Aston Villa
Sherwood confirms he has held talks with Vlaar and expects the Holland international to sign a new contract

Tim Sherwood has revealed that Ron Vlaar is ready to sign a new contract with Aston Villa.
Sherwood has confirmed he has held talks with Vlaar and expects the Holland international to stay at the club beyond this summer.
Earlier this year Vlaar seemed certain to leave on a free transfer, with Southampton and Napoli both considering moves at the end of this season.
But the appointment of Sherwood has revitalised the 30-year-old and he is now ready to discuss a new deal after Villa secured their Premier League status last weekend.
Sherwood said: “I’ve told Ron I want him to stay and he’s said he wants to.
“His representatives are going to talk to the club and I’m confident something can be done. Are we close? Well put it this way, we’re not a million miles away.
“He’s a man who is quite rightly in demand but I can see him being here next season. He’s indicated to me that he’s happy and I’m thinking exactly the same way, so I’m sure it will get done.
“Ron’s going to have a lot of options. He’s not long come back from a World Cup where he had a really good tournament.”
Vlaar was signed from Feyenoord for £3.2million in 2012 and has been club captain, though he was replaced as skipper by Fabian Delph earlier this year.

[pauliewalnuts]

Of course a player can be shit at one tournament and great at another. Any player at the top level can look world class for 6 games or look utter bobbins. You only have to look at Vlaar's hit and miss form for us as proof.

I don't think good players to have such highs and lows. That they are shit for an entire tournament and then great another. I always find that great players just don't perform to their level like Messi as an example. With Vlaar though I certainly don't recall him being one of the worst players at the Euros. Because when we signed him people were generally pleased. Nobody said I can't believe we are signing one of the worst players from the Euros.

Plenty raised concerns at the time of his signing due to his injury problems and also his hopeless performance at the Euros before he joined. It looked like our defence in Lambert's first season would include Given, Vlaar and Dunne. The three of them would have been in a worst X1 at Euro 2012.

I definitely remember both Vlaar and Given having absolute stinkers in that tournament.

I can't make my mind up about Vlaar.

In terms of how he plays, I think the problem is that whilst he is good, generally, more than capable, he seems to have a stinker every now and then, and at a worryingly frequent rate. And he is one of those players who doesn't just have an iffy game, he'll put in an absolute stinker.

Then there is the injury record. Despite the above, he is our most accomplished centre half. But could we ever build anything around him? He's injured an awful lot. He picks up little niggling injuries, but they always seem to be of the "four weeks out" type rather than the "might miss the next game" type.

I'd be happy to see him stay, but I wouldn't be distraught if he went, basically.

I don't actually think he's going to have a huge range of options, anyway. I'd eat my hat if he went to Man United, for example.