Concrete Ron

[peter w]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.

Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.

That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.

I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.

Maybe that rule will be introduced in the future, but until it is then there is nothing to get too uppity about in this situation.

Because there are rules against it. You want a player you speak with the club first. You do not talk about it first.

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-player-under-contract-approach-clubs.htm

[Dave]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.

Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.

That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.

I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.

Maybe that rule will be introduced in the future, but until it is then there is nothing to get too uppity about in this situation.

Because there are rules against it. You want a player you speak with the club first. You do not talk about it first.

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/football-player-under-contract-approach-clubs.htm

You seem to have linked to a page which says that you can't talk to a player without the permission of his club. Not that you can't talk about a player to people who ask you questions about him.

Y'know, like I've been saying all along. The title of your article is "Is it illegal for a football club to approach a player directly who is under contract with another football club?"

I'll repeat for you my earlier post: "If Koeman had said "I've spoken to Ron Vlaar and he wants to come to Southampton" then there would be a case to answer". Just like your article says.

[peter w]

But he didn't just say that he likes a player. He's talking about making a move for a player. You cannot talk about transferring a player to your club unless you speak to the other club first.

[Dave]

But he didn't just say that he likes a player. He's talking about making a move for a player. You cannot talk about transferring a player to your club unless you speak to the other club first.

*sigh*

This is going round in circles.

There is no rule preventing somebody talking about a player to the media. The rule is to prevent talking TO THE PLAYER without getting permission first.

If you think that this is incorrect, find me the rule that says otherwise.

[peter w]

*sigh*?

If this is boring you then no need to continue the debate.

As I said there is a difference between talking about a player and saying that you want to sign a player. Tapping up happens and everyone knows that but it's done behind the scenes. This is hardly covert as a manager is openly saying he wants to sign a player. That is what must be done by speaking with the players club first.

But you don't agree so to save another patronising response we may as well leave it there.

[Dave]

As I said there is a difference between talking about a player and saying that you want to sign a player. Tapping up happens and everyone knows that but it's done behind the scenes. This is hardly covert as a manager is openly saying he wants to sign a player. That is what must be done by speaking with the players club first.

Koeman has said “He would certainly be an option, but he is not cheap now, I think.”

It's not quite in the same league as what O'Leary said about Beattie, is it? If we as a club were bothered by it, surely we would make a complaint and see if they have a case to answer?

You'd think we might even do it out of spite after the Lowe/Beattie/O'Leary fiasco.

[SoccerHQ]

Suggests they've enquired but have been politely told he won't be coming for the 50p they're offering us.

[Gregorys Boy]

to be honest I think if someone was offering you a million or two a year over and above that which you currently earn , it would be very hard at 29, with a long record of injury, to turn it down, irrespective of where the offer came from. And although undoubtedly poxy, OPR would enable Ron to join the London set.

Yes, but at the moment QPR are just as likely to go down as us, maybe more so.  A move to Southampton would be more logical, but lets just see if any of these rumors turn out to be true.  Agree, that if we do let Vlaar go we should hold out for about £12 million that way we can replace him.

[Matt Collins]

There's no way vlaar, at 29 or so, able to sign for clubs for free from January, is going to fetch £12m

[walsall villain]

There's no way vlaar, at 29 or so, able to sign for clubs for free from January, is going to fetch £12m

Logically you are right but clubs are spending their increased TV money (except for us if course). Just yesterday baggies break transfer record and Sunderland pay £14 million for a player they had on loan. Seems to me transfer fees are going mad again so who knows what the fee could be if Vlaar leaves us.
I am already suspecting that there won't be three teams worse than us this year, if Delph and Vlaar go I will be convinced if it.

[silhillvilla]

We have to put a price on Ron that represents the cost to us if we lose him now with just 4 weeks to season start. That involves not only finding and signing a replacement* but also factoring in the decreased PL placing prize money or even relegation if he goes.


(* assuming it's not Swiss Phil ).

[Dante Lavelli]

There's no way vlaar, at 29 or so, able to sign for clubs for free from January, is going to fetch £12m

Probably not.  But we must put a price on him that reflects his value to us.  Sell him and there is a good chance we go down.  The season after, hopefully, we will have a new owner (looking to impress by splashing the cash) so losing Vlaar on a free will not be such a problem.

[Nastylee]

Only free to clubs abroad. I would imagine he will want to stay in the PL now his reputation has been enhanced.

[silhillvilla]

We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.

[Clampy]

We should just offer him a salary he deserves. Circa £80k a week and a 3 year extension. That's still probably going to pay for itself.

I'd definitely offer him an extension but i'm not sure about 80k a week. Besides, once you pay one player that kind of money, then others will want it as well.