Concrete Ron

[ozzjim]

Koeman has openly said that if Lovren goes Vlaar is an option for him. Why are they never done for tapping up?

[Villafirst]

Villa do things at a snail's pace....sort the contract Lerner! And for Delph. Give the fans some good news for once,  especially the ST holders who've committed their hard-earned money...

[silhillvilla]

If QPR or Southampton or some other team want him we should say £12m or you wait for 12 months.
That's assuming Ron has no buy out clauses . Can Ron himself buy himself out of his last 12 months ?

[Dave]

Koeman has openly said that if Lovren goes Vlaar is an option for him. Why are they never done for tapping up?

How is that suggesting that he is tapping him up? He doesn't suggest that he has spoken to him. He just says he'd be interested in signing him.

[peter w]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

[Dave]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.

Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.

[Richard E]

How is it different from what O'Leary got fined for saying about James Beattie?

[Dave]

How is it different from what O'Leary got fined for saying about James Beattie?

Because O'Leary was an idiot who said in an interview (and I quote) "there is a player there who wants to join us". Something that he couldn't have known without speaking to him, which Southampton hadn't given him permission to do.

If Koeman had said "I've spoken to Ron Vlaar and he wants to come to Southampton" then there would be a case to answer. As he's not said that, there isn't.

If O'Leary had just said "I want to sign James Beattie" then there wouldn't have been an issue.

[Richard E]

Did he really say that? Blimey, no wonder he got fined. I've been nursing a sense of injustice all these years about that which now appears to have been unjustified...

[Dave]

Did he really say that? Blimey, no wonder he got fined. I've been nursing a sense of injustice all these years about that which now appears to have been unjustified...

BBC report from 2005

Aston Villa have been found guilty and reprimanded by the FA Premier League over a charge of making an illegal approach for striker James Beattie.

But the club will not be fined after boss David O'Leary said "there is a player there who wants to join us" following a match with Southampton.

[KevinGage]

Fergiescum did it for years without penalty.   

With Yorke, Saha and countless others. 

So your sense of injustice is totally rational. 

[Dave]

Fergiescum did it for years without penalty.   

With Yorke, Saha and countless others. 

So your sense of injustice is totally rational. 

He said that he'd spoken to Yorke without us giving him permission to do so?

In which case, it's our own stupid fault for not putting a complaint in.

[peter w]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.

Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.

That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.

[KevinGage]

He said "the boy wants to join us," or similar shite.   

And made out that we were depriving him of his dream move. 

Exactly the same scenario played out with Saha when he was that autumn's must have accessory.

[Dave]

Well he shouldn't be. He's openly talking about a player contracted to another club which is frowned upon to the point that we should make a complaint and he should be fined.

There's no law against it. Whether it's frowned upon or not, he's not breaking any rules. There's nothing to make a complaint about.

Tapping up is speaking to a player without their club's consent. Which is against the rules, and if he has done that then we should make a complaint. But there's no suggestion that he has done that.

That's neither here nor there. You don't talk about other players contracted to other clubs. It's one thing saying you like a player and another saying you want to sign them.

I'm afraid that it's both here and there. People do talk about players contracted to other clubs, because there is no rule that says they should not or cannot.

Maybe that rule will be introduced in the future, but until it is then there is nothing to get too uppity about in this situation.