Concrete Ron

[Risso]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

[Toronto Villa]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I think he's a tad deluded, he said on MOTD that overall the defence had played well.

Got nothing hugely aginst Vlaar or Clark, I just think they're a nightmare together.

Let's hope Dunne can get back for a last hurrah.

[ozzjim]

I think he needs someone experienced in this league alongside him.

I said the other day I would have taken Williamson from Newcastle, he is a simple clear it out style defender, and Vlaar needs that. I think he is a decent player, but he is not a huge beast, and eventually a bigger player will get the run on him. He was more pissed off than anyone after the goal though yesterday which is a good sign for me. He was apoplectic about it.

And it still wasn't a corner!

[Toronto Villa]

I think he's a tad deluded, he said on MOTD that overall the defence had played well.

Got nothing hugely aginst Vlaar or Clark, I just think they're a nightmare together.

Let's hope Dunne can get back for a last hurrah.

I think you're right. We all also got carried away with the whole Concrete thing which is about his injury recovery. He is a solid international defender who was very good last last club. But he needs a solid CB next to him, a good LB and a better midfield. What he needs is a team to help him be better. There are simply too many other holes to just write him off and blame him for everything.

[Risso]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.

I'd never heard of him before we signed him.  Work out how many goal we've conceded with him in the side from the word go.  I can think of far more games where he's directly made a mistake leading to goals being conceded than I can good games he's had.  And I'm never furious, I just believe in calling a spade a spade.  The most senior defender in our worst ever defensive record can't be called good.

[eastie]

Vlaar was good in poor league as was kea and holman, in a decent league like this all  3 are average at best .

[eamonn]

Where one person thinks he needs experience around him to help him and someone else says the same about Clark it says a lot. There's little in the way of nous at this level from any of our defence.
Fellaini's equaliser was a move that Everton often do at corners and it worked for them. We have no variation at all in our set-plays.

[barrysleftfoot]

  Or Distin ozzjim, or McAauley rom the Olbion.

 I would have ofered Distin a 2 yr deal tbh.Dunne is going in the summer regardless, Vlaar and Baker ARE good enough, its just about the inexperience around them.

[eastie]

Where one person thinks he needs experience around him to help him and someone else says the same about Clark it says a lot. There's little in the way of nous at this level from any of our defence.
Fellaini's equaliser was a move that Everton often do at corners and it worked for them. We have no variation at all in our set-plays.

Fellains goal was a straight  forward free header from a corner from 6 yards out - nothing great required to outfox our defence.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

The guy is playing in his first season in England, in a much tougher league, in a struggling team with a crap midfield and loads of kids that need help themselves giving him an enormous amount of responsibility. Add to this the fact he's been rushed back after a 4 week layoff. He's looked good overall but has admittedly made a few errors that have cost goals. I'm not sure being beaten in the air by a man half a foot taller than you counts as one personally, but there you go.

Writing him off at this stage is moronic. Also, describing someone as 'shit' in the context Risso had is the sort of lazy, idiotic generalisation that really winds me up. Not everything is totally black or white, however down to earth and sensible you might be.

[Toronto Villa]

Vlaar did a crunching tackle at the Gwladys Street End and has that as a critical element of a Centre Half's armoury. Put Baker (or Dunne if he ever plays again) alongside him and find somewhere for Clark in the midfield or on the bench.
If we are going to start picking on Vlaar then we might as well pack in now. We have got what we have got. Just need to make the best out of it.

He needs a proper partner. He hasn't become shit overnight. In fact he's not shit at all. It's amazing how fast we bin players around here. The kids next to him aren't good enough yet, he's been injured and the midfield is shocking adding even more pressure. Yet, this some have declared this Ron Vlaar is crap week.

He hasn't become shit overnight, he's been shit since he got here.

No he hasn't. If you weren't so furious all the time you'd make sense. Were you saying that when we signed him or when he played the first few games? Off course you weren't. If it's not about accounting where you are amazing, you don't half come out with some nonsense.

I'd never heard of him before we signed him.  Work out how many goal we've conceded with him in the side from the word go.  I can think of far more games where he's directly made a mistake leading to goals being conceded than I can good games he's had.  And I'm never furious, I just believe in calling a spade a spade.  The most senior defender in our worst ever defensive record can't be called good.

No, you're never furious. Like Nash always the voice of reason and puryeyor of clarity.

[villa for life]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

[Fin Feds Dad]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Because that would take someone with a football brain at villa park - unfortunately there is no one fulfilling that role at present .

[eastie]

The transfer window was a bit of a let down, but possibly the most useful and certainly the cheapest addition to our "squad" could have been someone to the backroom staff to sort out our defence. Seriously, just imagine if we had offered the job to someone and they had been successful.That person would have a reputation for life if they had sorted out the worst defence in the league.

Why couldn't we have hired someone for this role?

Lambert is happy with culverhouse - he was hardly a decent defender though as a player so its no surprise he isnt very good as a coach.