Swansea City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Edvard Remberg]

Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.

The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)

[Clampy]

Well the first 20 minutes we could and should have been 3 or 4 down. They looked like they were going to score whenever they broke, the defence looked all over the place and it seemed like it was going to be one of those days again.

Then towards the end of the half we started to gain a bit more confidence and got the goal. The 2nd half was much much better. We grew in belief as the game went on and started to look a bit like ourselves again. Their equaliser was a sickener but all in all bearing in mind what's happened in the last few games, a draw was a good result for us. We'll be ok.

[eastie]

Well the first 20 minutes we could and should have been 3 or 4 down. They looked like they were going to score whenever they broke, the defence looked all over the place and it seemed like it was going to be one of those days again.

Then towards the end of the half we started to gain a bit more confidence and got the goal. The 2nd half was much much better. We grew in belief as the game went on and started to look a bit like ourselves again. Their equaliser was a sickener but all in all bearing in mind what's happened in the last few games, a draw was a good result for us. We'll be ok.

Pretty much spot on assessment I think.

[ktvillan]

brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.

he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.

I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box.  I  can't remember who scored it.   I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player.  But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly.  It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.

[Ego Uhiogu]

I was sat in line with the penalty box and Bennett's handball was definitely in the area. Everyone around me couldn't believe he didn't point to the spot.

[JUAN PABLO]

brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.

he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.

I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box.  I  can't remember who scored it.   I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player.  But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly.  It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.

If you watch the build up of the goal , before Bannon cleared it twice , Holman did exactly the same thing again .

[dekko]

brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.

he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.

I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box.  I  can't remember who scored it.   I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player.  But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly.  It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.

If you watch the build up of the goal , before Bannon cleared it twice , Holman did exactly the same thing again .

He's run around after lost causes, won the ball back after losing it and stolen the ball dozens of times that I can think of, which makes it even more annoying when he totally failed to do it at such a vital time in such a vital game

[fredm]

Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.

The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)

Don't know whether the laws have been revised since I played but I thought that if it was accidental handball then it was not a penalty.  The TV clearly showed that the ball hit Bennett's knee and rebounded off it onto his hand which was down near the side of his body which is where it should be.  He had made no movement with his arm/hand towards the ball or its flight. Therefore, how could that be a penalty?  Or if a ball touches a hand on every occasion within the box is a penalty going to be awarded?

I await to hear from those who are much better acquainted nowadays than myself.

[Lastfootstamper]

I was sat in line with the penalty box and Bennett's handball was definitely in the area. Everyone around me couldn't believe he didn't point to the spot.

Ditto, in row N

[Dave Clark Five]

Ours was stonewall penalty, as it was an extremely stupid and clumsy kick from Dyer on Weimans left leg, while ball on right side.

The handball was shown in replay about 50 times, and on time of touch, both feet were outside, and about to put his right foot on the line. The hand moves backwards after it is hit (obvious) - if that moved over the line or not is doubtful - and they can't give it unless they are sure. The only one to see that was Halsey, and he was not in perfect position. Giving it would be harsh (and wrong)

Don't know whether the laws have been revised since I played but I thought that if it was accidental handball then it was not a penalty.  The TV clearly showed that the ball hit Bennett's knee and rebounded off it onto his hand which was down near the side of his body which is where it should be.  He had made no movement with his arm/hand towards the ball or its flight. Therefore, how could that be a penalty?  Or if a ball touches a hand on every occasion within the box is a penalty going to be awarded?

I await to hear from those who are much better acquainted nowadays than myself.

I thought at the time, being in line with the edge of the area, and since from the replays, that it was in the area but I don't care. We have had enough bad luck and need a break.

[Steve R]

That's exactly what I saw Fredm. I was beginning to think it was me.

[Somniloquism]

I don't think any replay definitely shows it was in the area. They stopped it on MOTD and both feet were on the edge. as the contact is made on the arm. The arm could well have been behind him but enough to definitely give a penalty, probably not. On the flip side, the replays never really showed me the ball flicked off his knee onto his arm either.

I'm amazed though that so many of our fans could either see it so clearly through Bennett or from 90 yards away (not knowing which end the fans were.) He did go backwards and the ball did land in the area so on first viewing it might have appeared to be more of a penalty, but it is one of those incidents that argues against decisions from replays being made in 5 seconds as suggested by the advocates of the technology.

[tomd2103]

brett holman was disgraceful for the cross before the goal. he runs around a lot and gives the impression of being a workhorse but I think he is actually more gutless than stephen ireland without the ball.

he did it a few times in the game . Just get a bloody tackle in and stop fannying around.

I had a bit of a dig against Holman after the Everton game saying he could have done better in challenging the player who scored the goal that was curled in from outside the box.  I  can't remember who scored it.   I said he could and should have closed him down better or forced him outside and took absolute pelters for daring to criticise a new player.  But I think yesterday showed that sometimes he does that job very badly.  It was an awful, feeble non-attempt at a challenge at a critical point of the game and a major part of why we didn't hold on.

He did a similar thing at Newcastle, when he let Ben Arfa take the ball past him way too easily.  OK, he probably didn't expect him to put it in the top corner from 25 yds with his weaker foot, but it was a really poor effort.

[Dave Clark Five]

I'm amazed though that so many of our fans could either see it so clearly through Bennett or from 90 yards away (not knowing which end the fans were.)

The Villa fans were the ones jumping up and down when we scored.

[Salsa Party Animal]

Let hope Mr Lambert noticed so he can sort his defending out.