Randy Lerner

[dave.woodhall]

If all you want to do is swear, please don't do it on here.

[David_Nab]

I read in the Post yesterday that Wanker was 3rd on the West Midlands 'Rich list'

Is calling him 'wanker' really necessary?

Exactly ..with his money I highly doubt he has to do that himself

[midnite]

A good example of the terrible way the club is run is Jean Makoun.

He's a player we spent £4m and a decent wage on, but where the fuck is he? On loan in Greece, then in France, then we hear he can't come back here because he wouldn't get a work permit.

Someone might be paying a chunk of his wages, but we're ultimately going watch yet another player we played decent money for walk away for nothing.

Why wasn't someone at the club thinking about the implication of sending him on loan, re his work permit?

Why does this sort of thing (players costing us a fortune, contributing fuck all, walking away for nothing) seem to happen to us so often?

Can you imagine Arsenal under David Dein letting that happen? Or any other club with a half decent football administrator in charge, for that matter?

I think that's a great example of the issues that constantly changing manager creates. There has to be a period of stability and a manager be given the time and space to do things his way. I don't know if it wil work or not, you can never be sure with a new manager. However, I do know that the last few seasons have been like an episode of The Thick of It and sacking Lambert now would put the tin lid on the omnishambles that is Aston Villa.

We do need to have a clear philosophy as a club that each manager we appoint works towards instead of a change in philosophy and direction with each new manager we get in.

[bertlambshank]

If all you want to do is swear, please don't do it on here.

At least people know what I think,what's your take on what's going on?

[Greg N'Ash]

there's been some odd treatment of some of our players i must say. Fair enough with some of the trouble makers but the likes of Bent, Makoun, Hutton i don't get. Much richer clubs than us wouldn't discard a massive investment like Bent because they changed manager, especially one who was a success when we played to his strengths. Makoun was discarded pretty much straight away despite looking no worse than the likes of Ireland. Hutton's been crap but he'd only just joined and was dumped as soon as lambchop arrived. If would be understandable behaviour if we were a Citeh or chelsea, but a team with hardly any options anyway?

Surely a chairman that worried about the pennies would ask the manager to utilise them rather than just write off their value totally, but then Lerner seem to be playing to a rule book no-one else uses.

[dave.woodhall]

If all you want to do is swear, please don't do it on here.

At least people know what I think,what's your take on what's going on?

For a start I'm not going to get hysterical based on supposition. I haven't got a clue what's going on and don't like what's been happening lately. I've said that often enough.

[bertlambshank]

If all you want to do is swear, please don't do it on here.

At least people know what I think,what's your take on what's going on?

For a start I'm not going to get hysterical based on supposition. I haven't got a clue what's going on and don't like what's been happening lately. I've said that often enough.

Has the fanzine tried to get anything out of the club or is PF playing hide and seek.

[Irish villain]

We're all hurting a little right now so I think there should be understanding that there will be a lot of anger in posts over the next few weeks or so. It's a bit like the five stages of grief. Not so much because we face the possibility of relegation, more so that we now realise the board aren't going to bother fighting the prospect of relegation.

I think, speaking in broad brush strokes about the general mood of villa fans, the anger stage won't last so long as the denial stage did.

I'm already moving from anger towards bargaining. Maybe we will scrape enough points to stay up. Two wins from the next three and things will be looking up. I genuinely think we can still stay up. I have accepted that it will have nothing to do with the incompetent board and will depend on our team finally gelling, our fans sticking with them and other teams around us going into some sort of meltdown.

[prmort]

Let's be honest, apart from letting the wage bill get out of control and the mistake of appointing TSM, nobody knows whether Lerner is doing a good or bad job.
The time to judge Lerner will be at the end of the month.

Well I could probably write an entire book on why he is without doubt doing a bad job...but I think there is a simple way of looking at it. After almost 7 years and 200m, we are worse in every way then we were in 2006 when he took over.

But don't forget the free flags.
I'm still trying to work out why Tuesdays flag wasn't white.

[dave.woodhall]

If all you want to do is swear, please don't do it on here.

At least people know what I think,what's your take on what's going on?

For a start I'm not going to get hysterical based on supposition. I haven't got a clue what's going on and don't like what's been happening lately. I've said that often enough.

Has the fanzine tried to get anything out of the club or is PF playing hide and seek.

If the BBC can't what chance have we got?

[bertlambshank]

It would be nice to know we had a plan?
Are we close to administration if we go down?
If we go down do we still pay Randy back at the same rate?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I read in the Post yesterday that Wanker was 3rd on the West Midlands 'Rich list'

Is calling him 'wanker' really necessary?

Yes.

i dont think it is appropriate, grow up!

'Grow up'
It seems to be a default reply on here.

Calling him that is mild compared to what i'd like to say, he's clearly washing his hands of the club, that in itself wouldn't be so bad, but when you take into account all the bullshit we've heard previously, 'he's a custodian', 'He's got a Villa Tattoo' etc etc.

We were told ad nauseum by The General that Randy 'loved the club' but the scales have now fell from our eyes and we can now see that this was all somewhat of a faddish hobby for him that he wants to shove up in the loft and ignore.

To me, he's down there with the sort of person who switches support to another team at the drop of a hat.

[Lastfootstamper]

A good example of the terrible way the club is run is Jean Makoun.

He's a player we spent £4m and a decent wage on, but where the fuck is he? On loan in Greece, then in France, then we hear he can't come back here because he wouldn't get a work permit.

Someone might be paying a chunk of his wages, but we're ultimately going watch yet another player we played decent money for walk away for nothing.

Why wasn't someone at the club thinking about the implication of sending him on loan, re his work permit?

Why does this sort of thing (players costing us a fortune, contributing fuck all, walking away for nothing) seem to happen to us so often?

Can you imagine Arsenal under David Dein letting that happen? Or any other club with a half decent football administrator in charge, for that matter?

I think that's a great example of the issues that constantly changing manager creates. There has to be a period of stability and a manager be given the time and space to do things his way. I don't know if it wil work or not, you can never be sure with a new manager. However, I do know that the last few seasons have been like an episode of The Thick of It and sacking Lambert now would put the tin lid on the omnishambles that is Aston Villa.

We do need to have a clear philosophy as a club that each manager we appoint works towards instead of a change in philosophy and direction with each new manager we get in.

Precisely. A lack of one is why we've won next to bugger-all for 30 years. No continuity, no direction, no building of a style of play which one could describe as "The Villa way". Lurching from one short-term solution, which almost always end ignominiously (SGTmkI aside), to the next. I genuinely believed in Randy to be the man to end this. I wonder if Doug did, too? Now I just want him to go. Bright future? Words are cheap.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

No continuity, no direction, no building of a style of play which one could describe as "The Villa way".

What do you think 'hoofing' is?

[pauliewalnuts]

No continuity, no direction, no building of a style of play which one could describe as "The Villa way".

What do you think 'hoofing' is?

That's a bit harsh, Mark.

I know too often we've resorted to hoofing it at Benteke this season, but it has hardly been our style for any considerable period of time.

Maybe under McLeish a touch, but not under Houllier, and I wouldn't even say we did under MON (and you know my opinion of his tactics).

MON wasn't a long ball manager, although you could say that his "tactic" of endless hopefully balls into the box is a percentages game, too, so has some similarities.

Just because a style of football isn't based on possession, ball retention, and short passes, doesn't make it hoofing by default.