Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[saunders_heroes]

If we survive, give him another chance.
If we get relegated, get rid.

I can't do better than that

(Adopts Javier Bardem pose from No country for old men)

If we stay up I'd give him till Christmas, but he'd have to be backed in the transfer market properly. No more of this "young and hungry" shit. If we go down he should be sacked on the spot.

[Chris Smith]

If we survive, give him another chance.
If we get relegated, get rid.

I can't do better than that

(Adopts Javier Bardem pose from No country for old men)

If we stay up I'd give him till Christmas, but he'd have to be backed in the transfer market properly. No more of this "young and hungry" shit. If we go down he should be sacked on the spot.

I think we'll stay up, just, but my guess is if we go down they'll stick with him.

[Lastfootstamper]

TSM was boring, negative, defensive and sterile. At least under Lambert we look like a football team once more. Just wish he'd sort out the defence.

In thirty-some years of watching Villa, I had experienced almost every state of mind. With last season's "sleepy", I completed the set!

[saunders_heroes]

If we survive, give him another chance.
If we get relegated, get rid.

I can't do better than that

(Adopts Javier Bardem pose from No country for old men)

If we stay up I'd give him till Christmas, but he'd have to be backed in the transfer market properly. No more of this "young and hungry" shit. If we go down he should be sacked on the spot.

I think we'll stay up, just, but my guess is if we go down they'll stick with him.

I hope you're right with the former. The thought of us going down makes me feel sick in the stomach though.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

If we survive, give him another chance.
If we get relegated, get rid.

I can't do better than that

(Adopts Javier Bardem pose from No country for old men)

If we stay up I'd give him till Christmas, but he'd have to be backed in the transfer market properly. No more of this "young and hungry" shit. If we go down he should be sacked on the spot.

I think we'll stay up, just, but my guess is if we go down they'll stick with him.

Good luck if you can second-guess what these fuckwits in charge would do.
I wouldn't be surprised if they got Mick Mills in as Player Manager.

[Steve R]

Is it a Brummie thing that things are either 'great' or 'shit' with no grey areas in between?

[Chris Smith]

Is it a Brummie thing that things are either 'great' or 'shit' with no grey areas in between?

No, it's an Internet thing.

[Clampy]

Is it a Brummie thing that things are either 'great' or 'shit' with no grey areas in between?

No, it's an Internet thing.

Is the right answer.

[Mister E]

If we stay up I'd give him till Christmas, but he'd have to be backed in the transfer market properly. No more of this "young and hungry" shit. If we go down he should be sacked on the spot.

The "young and hungry" shit would have been fine if the experienced players in the squad had (i) shown some commitment to the cause and / or (ii) stayed fit.
Lambert's been shafted by a combination of the experienced players being shit and his desire to change too much too quickly.
Maybe he is the cause of these problems; I don't know.

[Eigentor]

When we appointed Lambert, I thought he would be like Houllier, only better: that is, less pig-headed, not so out of touch, not trying to change things to fast.

However, I'd argue that he has been like Houllier, but worse: more pig-headed, more out of touch (thinking we can have a successful PL campaign with players who bare have PL experience), and trying to change things even faster than GH did.

[LeeB]

When we appointed Lambert, I thought he would be like Houllier, only better: that is, less pig-headed, not so out of touch, not trying to change things to fast.

However, I'd argue that he has been like Houllier, but worse: more pig-headed, more out of touch (thinking we can have a successful PL campaign with players who bare have PL experience), and trying to change things even faster than GH did.

I don't agree, I think Houllier had much better tools at his disposal, and therefore larger margins for error.

[Eigentor]

When we appointed Lambert, I thought he would be like Houllier, only better: that is, less pig-headed, not so out of touch, not trying to change things to fast.

However, I'd argue that he has been like Houllier, but worse: more pig-headed, more out of touch (thinking we can have a successful PL campaign with players who bare have PL experience), and trying to change things even faster than GH did.

I don't agree, I think Houllier had much better tools at his disposal, and therefore larger margins for error.

You have a point, but one example is Collins and Dunne. The pair was hardly GH favourites, but he realised that they were useful when trying to secure a mid-table finish. Lambert, on the other hands, ostracised Hutton and Warnock even though they could have done a job.

(I'm not saying that Hutton and Warnock would have been the solution to all our problems, but having the option to call on their experience could have been useful at one or two points during the season.)

[KRS]

If we stay up then PL should be given the opportunity to continue with this "project"...he knows the players, so it makes sense to give him the chance to develop the lads and progress with his vision. This long term strategy could work if Randy provides funds to bring in a few more experienced players to provide a spine for the team.

If we go down then PL should be sacked immediately. There is no case to defend any manager who gets Aston Villa relegated regardless of the playing staff and financial constraints. He would be the only man responsible for taking us down with his decisions and should lose his job because of it, so keeping him on would be as good as saying "relegation is acceptable"...and for a club like Aston Villa, it is and never should be "acceptable".

[LeeB]

When we appointed Lambert, I thought he would be like Houllier, only better: that is, less pig-headed, not so out of touch, not trying to change things to fast.

However, I'd argue that he has been like Houllier, but worse: more pig-headed, more out of touch (thinking we can have a successful PL campaign with players who bare have PL experience), and trying to change things even faster than GH did.

I don't agree, I think Houllier had much better tools at his disposal, and therefore larger margins for error.

You have a point, but one example is Collins and Dunne. The pair was hardly GH favourites, but he realised that they were useful when trying to secure a mid-table finish. Lambert, on the other hands, ostracised Hutton and Warnock even though they could have done a job.

(I'm not saying that Hutton and Warnock would have been the solution to all our problems, but having the option to call on their experience could have been useful at one or two points during the season.)

I think Houllier would have junked the lot but the transfer window was shut.

Lambert has had to carry out the work that should have been done 12 months before.

And for that we can thank the board.

[ez]

Its hard to know what Lerner will do. I remember people on here being adamant McLeish would be staying. Now we are doing worse.