Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[Greg N'Ash]

tony mowbray. Piece of piss this. Harder finding someone with a worse record than Lambert would have.

Not really.

Premier League Records
Paul Lambert 65 games 17 wins (26% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 38 games 8 wins (21% win rate)

All English League Records
Paul Lambert 328 games 144 wins (44% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 271 games 115 wins (42% win rate)

Try again.

we're comparing his Villa record vs Mowbrays WBA record. Nice try.

[PeterWithesShin]

Where we are is unacceptable for us, but as has been said many times, that's not all down to Lambert. Many many factors have contributed to where we are now. And we'll never know if someone else would have done better or worse as it is all purely guess work. I'd take a punt that under Roy Keane or Mowbray for example we'd be worse off. But with the squad and problems we had before Lambert set foot through the door I think we'd have struggled under anyone.

For what it's worth i'm firmly in the undecided camp on what should happen if we did go down.

[PeterWithesShin]

tony mowbray. Piece of piss this. Harder finding someone with a worse record than Lambert would have.

Not really.

Premier League Records
Paul Lambert 65 games 17 wins (26% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 38 games 8 wins (21% win rate)

All English League Records
Paul Lambert 328 games 144 wins (44% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 271 games 115 wins (42% win rate)

Try again.

we're comparing his Villa record vs Mowbrays WBA record. Nice try.

Which you can't really do. As to compare accurately they'd have had to manage identical squads in identical circumstances. However Mowbray's one season in the top flight ended with Albion bottom. Despite having 3 years to build his squad. Should hardly make anyone confident he's better than Lambert.

[Greg N'Ash]

Where we are is unacceptable for us, but as has been said many times, that's not all down to Lambert. Many many factors have contributed to where we are now. And we'll never know if someone else would have done better or worse as it is all purely guess work. I'd take a punt that under Roy Keane or Mowbray for example we'd be worse off. But with the squad and problems we had before Lambert set foot through the door I think we'd have struggled under anyone.

For what it's worth i'm firmly in the undecided camp on what should happen if we did go down.

If lambert stayed post relegation, if we weren't running away with it by the Autumn the knives would be out because of the "we're the big premiership club having a 1 year holiday in the lower leagues dontcha know" factor, regardless of how many of the better players left in the summer. We'd be better off getting a clean slate because if it didn't go exactly to plan he'll do well to get as much leeway as TSM.

[SheffieldVillain]

tony mowbray. Piece of piss this. Harder finding someone with a worse record than Lambert would have.

Not really.

Premier League Records
Paul Lambert 65 games 17 wins (26% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 38 games 8 wins (21% win rate)

All English League Records
Paul Lambert 328 games 144 wins (44% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 271 games 115 wins (42% win rate)

Try again.

we're comparing his Villa record vs Mowbrays WBA record. Nice try.

Sorry, I didn't realise we were being so selective. 

[PeterWithesShin]

The other side is if we sack him that's x amount of million in compensation, yet another new manager (the 5th in 5 years) with new ideas on players and so on. Sacking the backroom staff and employing a new bunch. Can we afford it yet again, it will all eat into our already reduced budget. Do we have to say enough is enough and attempt something approaching continuity? I see both sides IF we went down and is why i'm currently undecided.

[Greg N'Ash]

tony mowbray. Piece of piss this. Harder finding someone with a worse record than Lambert would have.

Not really.

Premier League Records
Paul Lambert 65 games 17 wins (26% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 38 games 8 wins (21% win rate)

All English League Records
Paul Lambert 328 games 144 wins (44% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 271 games 115 wins (42% win rate)

Try again.

we're comparing his Villa record vs Mowbrays WBA record. Nice try.

Which you can't really do. As to compare accurately they'd have had to manage identical squads in identical circumstances. However Mowbray's one season in the top flight ended with Albion bottom. Despite having 3 years to build his squad. Should hardly make anyone confident he's better than Lambert.

The point is the massive difference is resources even in our current bad shape, and the fact there's clubs like swansea winning cups and above us with much poorer (on paper) and cheaper squads

[Greg N'Ash]

The other side is if we sack him that's x amount of million in compensation, yet another new manager (the 5th in 5 years) with new ideas on players and so on. Sacking the backroom staff and employing a new bunch. Can we afford it yet again, it will all eat into our already reduced budget. Do we have to say enough is enough and attempt something approaching continuity? I see both sides IF we went down and is why i'm currently undecided.

way i see it, there will be the firesale to end all firesales if we go down. Because we won't be able to shift the likes of Ireland, they will flog Benteke, Westwood, Guzan, anyone who attracts a bid. Lambert's best buys won't be there so you might as well start again

[PeterWithesShin]

tony mowbray. Piece of piss this. Harder finding someone with a worse record than Lambert would have.

Not really.

Premier League Records
Paul Lambert 65 games 17 wins (26% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 38 games 8 wins (21% win rate)

All English League Records
Paul Lambert 328 games 144 wins (44% win rate)
Tony Mowbray 271 games 115 wins (42% win rate)

Try again.

we're comparing his Villa record vs Mowbrays WBA record. Nice try.

Which you can't really do. As to compare accurately they'd have had to manage identical squads in identical circumstances. However Mowbray's one season in the top flight ended with Albion bottom. Despite having 3 years to build his squad. Should hardly make anyone confident he's better than Lambert.

The point is the massive difference is resources even in our current bad shape, and the fact there's clubs like swansea winning cups and above us with much poorer (on paper) and cheaper squads

Albion also hadn't got the shite we've had to deal with. You really can't compare a the 2 scenarios when judging a manager.

Swansea are the culmination of a decade of long term strategy. Something that we MAY be trying to start to do with the Lambert policy of youth. But we haven't had anything like a long term strategy for donkeys years, possibly since Saunders.

[Mister E]

Where we are is unacceptable for us, but as has been said many times, that's not all down to Lambert. Many many factors have contributed to where we are now. And we'll never know if someone else would have done better or worse as it is all purely guess work. I'd take a punt that under Roy Keane or Mowbray for example we'd be worse off. But with the squad and problems we had before Lambert set foot through the door I think we'd have struggled under anyone.

For what it's worth i'm firmly in the undecided camp on what should happen if we did go down.

If lambert stayed post relegation, if we weren't running away with it by the Autumn the knives would be out because of the "we're the big premiership club having a 1 year holiday in the lower leagues dontcha know" factor, regardless of how many of the better players left in the summer. We'd be better off getting a clean slate because if it didn't go exactly to plan he'll do well to get as much leeway as TSM.

However much you wish it, I don't see the club offloading Lambert in the summer. And they'd be wrong to.
Yes, he's executed a high-risk strategy this season that looks like failing.
Yes, he's come across as oburate and inflexible.
Yes, he has failed to address set-piece / last 10 minutes problems.
Yes, there's no question that he could and should have strengthened the back four and defensive MF with experience in the January window.

But:
- the buy / sell strategy and high-wage issue is not of his making.
- it takes time to build a young squad and nurture an inexperienced group.
- he has not been helped in any way by many of his more experienced players (GA and Charles apart, perhaps).
- he has a goood recood of developing squads and getting promotion.

If we go down I genuinely think we can come back stronger and fitter under Lambert. But I'll admit I may just be wearing my rose-tinted glassses.

[NiiLamptey]

I agree with you...

If we were to get rid it was at xmas after the goal difference bashings as an attempt to stay in the league.

As we have now passed that window, i see no point in removing lambert even if we go down as I am confident he will get us back up.

[Steve R]

Adele. She can write and sing a song. good grief.
Then there's Ben Affleck. Acts, writes, directs, produces.

Laudrup. plays, manages, sings, does his own videos.


3 for a start.

Pfft. Daniel Day Lewis

Mind you, that bloke from Moneyball seemed to know what he was doing. I don't think he even got an Oscar either.

[Walmley_Villa]

The question the board and management should be asking themselves is how they have allowed the likes of Swansea, Norwich to get so far ahead of us with on paper better squads than we have. That is the crime here and Lambert has done very little to excuse himself from any blame by not getting in decent defensive cover and a hard bastard in midfield. I would suggest that Syilla's omission is because he isn't good enough and the left back position has been a disaster. The Board are ultimately accountable but Lamberts decision making has compounded things. To go out to a League 2 team over two legs with second leg at home is a disgrace end of.

[eastie]

The question the board and management should be asking themselves is how they have allowed the likes of Swansea, Norwich to get so far ahead of us with on paper better squads than we have. That is the crime here and Lambert has done very little to excuse himself from any blame by not getting in decent defensive cover and a hard bastard in midfield. I would suggest that Syilla's omission is because he isn't good enough and the left back position has been a disaster. The Board are ultimately accountable but Lamberts decision making has compounded things. To go out to a League 2 team over two legs with second leg at home is a disgrace end of.

Correct, the whole thing has been shocking from the boards decisions , to the inept manager and poor players - they should hang their heads in shame but they are getting big money regardless of their performances.

[Risso]

At least he named them Paulie. And they made more sense than Roy Keane!

Why so?  Roy Keane took Sunderland up, and kept them up which is equal to what Lambert has achieved.