Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[pauliewalnuts]

Worse case scenario for me is getting relegated and giving him the chance to get us up again. Sort of thing Blackburn would do. If he keeps us up then i suppose he could justify another go but otherwise he needs to be binned in May.

Given the way they've lurched about from one extreme to the other with recent appointments wouldn't we better sticking with someone with a proven record of promotions rather than risk what they might do next?

Yep.

[Risso]

Let's get McLeish back then.

[pauliewalnuts]

Let's get McLeish back then.

That doesn't even work based on a narrow interpretation of what Chris said.

That'd be even more fecking around with appointments. We can't pretend McLeish was never here, and we can't pretend he wasn't sacked.

What is definite, though, is that at this point of last season, despite being better off points wise - as we're constantly told - McLeish wouldnt have a narrow majority of people in favour of keeping him as Lambert does now.

Those people haven't all gone nuts. Maybe they too have realised that all the fucking around, lurching from one appointment to another, isn't working?

[old man villa fan]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

[Risso]

Sticking with Lambert isn't working either.  He is absolutely chuffing dreadful, and seems almost pigheadedly unable to learn from his mistakes.

[pauliewalnuts]

Sticking with Lambert isn't working either.  He is absolutely chuffing dreadful, and seems almost pigheadedly unable to learn from his mistakes.

To change, we'd need a persuasive option to appoint instead of him.

I can't think of any. Maybe that's because I don't fancy having Allardyce's brand of non-football associated with my club, but ideally, we'd have more than one realistic option to look at in any case.

If we get relegated, we're also going to be looking from a much more restricted range of options, which is something we can't ignore. So that means forget the likes of Allardyce, for starters.

We'd be looking for a manager with a track record of promotions. Like, err, Lambert.

[Greg N'Ash]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

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No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

[silhillvilla]

Have to say I'm not a fan of chopping and changing managers BUT, I was never in the Lambert fan club and I've seen very little since he joined to convince me he's going to be any good for us. Just doesn't seem to fit well with this club.

[pauliewalnuts]

No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

The squad when he arrived might have cost £70m, but it certainly didn't mean it was worth it, unless you're happy to ascribe £5m of that cost to Richard Dunne, or rate Petrov as still being worth the 7m we paid for him, etc etc.

I totally get a lot of the anti-Lambert arguments, but let's not start rewriting history. At the end of last season, there wouldn't have been a single one of us who was arguing that our squad was sufficiently strong, but now it's an expensive one?

I could also point out that the squad was lopsided - even if you accept £70m, a third of that was tied up in one single player.

Besides which, if you're going to replace the bloke in the job, it's down to you to suggest someone better. The problem is that, once you get past the blood lust to see Lambert go, there really aren't any convincing suggestions, are there?

[PeterWithesShin]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

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No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

Lambert hasn't actually taken us down yet in case you hadn't noticed.

So anyway, how about a name from you for replacement manager?

[Greg N'Ash]

No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

The squad when he arrived might have cost £70m, but it certainly didn't mean it was worth it, unless you're happy to ascribe £5m of that cost to Richard Dunne, or rate Petrov as still being worth the 7m we paid for him, etc etc.

I totally get a lot of the anti-Lambert arguments, but let's not start rewriting history. At the end of last season, there wouldn't have been a single one of us who was arguing that our squad was sufficiently strong, but now it's an expensive one?

didn't actually include Petrov but the fact remains if we go down there's a hell of a lot pf teams who have squads worth much less than Villa's and will have survived. And a lot who didn't spent 20m in the summer either

[old man villa fan]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

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No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

Need some time to carry out a bit of research.

Whilst I am doing that, perhaps you could answer my question rather than replying with another question.  Shouldn't take you too long as you already know the answer, don't you?  You do, don't you?

[Greg N'Ash]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

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No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

Lambert hasn't actually taken us down yet in case you hadn't noticed.

So anyway, how about a name from you for replacement manager?

I know. My arguement is IF we go down he should be replaced

[Greg N'Ash]

Difference with Graham Turner is he had never managed in the top league had he? Who do you suggest we get if we get rid of Lambert?

I keep having this conversation. If he takes us down after spending 20 odd million in the summer then his record is as poor as it gets. Nearly anyone with premiership managerial experience would be worth a try and a fair few without.

From what I have read, these are pretty much one way conversations.  People ask you to put a name forward but the closest you seem to have come is 'anybody but Lambert'.

Well, let's try again.  Suggest a name that is, firstly, good enough and, secondly, that we could reasonably attract.

Apologies if I have missed you naming somebody.

.

No, I tell you what for a change. You name a premiership manager past or present who inherited a squad that cost 70m, spent another 20m on top of that and took his side down. At least we can rule that guy out (if there is one) as being too poor for us

Need some time to carry out a bit of research.

Whilst I am doing that, perhaps you could answer my question rather than replying with another question.  Shouldn't take you too long as you already know the answer, don't you?  You do, don't you?

You have your answer really. If we go down Lambert's record would be so appalling the list of managers who wouldn't be a better punt is so small its not worth bothering with

[LeeB]

It's not asking a lot, is it Greg?