Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[hilts_coolerking]

It's hard to judge, apart from Benteke.  They've all showed promise at various times, even Bennett, but you can't get away from the fact that they make up a big part of a very poor side.

[LeeB]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

The new manager would have no record of motivating this raggady-arsed lot. And he'd have no money to spend.

So, all in all, we'd just be a few million worse of in compo.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's all about opinions. Benteke aside, not one of one players you mention are PL standard. That's why we're spiralling toward the drop.

I thought you said "pile of shite" rather than "not PL standard"

I'd suggest Vlaar is, what with him being a Dutch international, and Westwood has looked very comfortable, wouldn't you agree? And Lowton, whilst unspectacular, has done ok.

It's your "everything is shit" line again. There are good points to be made about how shit we are, but they get drowned out in the hyperbolic nonsense you come out with.

Our problem is that this season, we have found ourselves playing too many up and coming young players *at the same time*. Just as 11 promising players thrown together does not mean you have a promising "team", the team struggling does not mean that all the players in it are shite.

Brother, once again you tell it like it is.

Honestly, Lee, I feel like I must look like I am dogmatically defending the manager, and that I think he's without fault. I don't. Far from it. The "tactics" for the last thirty minutes against Bradford, for example, were inexplicable.

I just think that it's easy to rail off and rant about the manager needing to be sacked, but another to be able to answer the question "what next".

In all the discussion on here, whenever the question has been asked re who we replace him with, the only single palatable answer is Roberto Di Matteo, a manager who has a correspoindingly shit record when it comes to organising a defence.

It is totally, totally underwhelming. Look past RDM and we're on to Roy Keane, Alan Curbishley, or some randomly put together dream teams of previous Villa players who apparently "love the Villa".

It's deluded nonsense.

[hilts_coolerking]

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Let's say we get relegated and, for sake of argument, Lambert takes us straight back up.  I don't see our financial position having changed much in 18 months, most of our better players will have moved on and, if they're replaced at all, will have been replaced by inferior players.

Does Lambert then get a second crack at managing us in the Premier League?  I supposed he would, at least initially.

[Greg N'Ash]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Anyone with a record of promotion to the PL and not taking Aston Villa down in the process. It's not a very exclusive club frankly.

[LeeB]

It's hard to judge, apart from Benteke.  They've all showed promise at various times, even Bennett, but you can't get away from the fact that they make up a big part of a very poor side.

True.

My major concerns lie with the players who've been with us through the last three seasons (including the 'young' players).

They're just programmed to lose, and it seems to be rubbing off on our new lads.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's hard to judge, apart from Benteke.  They've all showed promise at various times, even Bennett, but you can't get away from the fact that they make up a big part of a very poor side.

Too many of them used at the same time, too often. That's been the problem. They're far from "mostly shite" which is what s_h seems to think.

I'd say his 20m spent compares very favourably to, say, McLeish with his, what, 18m (10 on CNZ, 4 on Hutton, 4 on Given). How much would we get back if we flogged them tomorrow?

[pauliewalnuts]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Anyone with a record of promotion to the PL and not taking Aston Villa down in the process. It's not a very exclusive club frankly.

So, go on then, who?

You're the chairman. We get relegated. You need a manager who can get us back up, with a squad someone else put together, and not much money to spend

Who do you approach?

[LeeB]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Anyone with a record of promotion to the PL and not taking Aston Villa down in the process. It's not a very exclusive club frankly.

I can think of a Scottish manger that would fit that bill perfectly.

[Greg N'Ash]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

The new manager would have no record of motivating this raggady-arsed lot. And he'd have no money to spend.

So, all in all, we'd just be a few million worse of in compo.

Maybe so if we let him take us down. A lot of people seem to be quite happy to jump off the cliff following lambert and start again at the bottom.. The outs are saying we're not doomed if a new guy comes in

[pauliewalnuts]

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Let's say we get relegated and, for sake of argument, Lambert takes us straight back up.  I don't see our financial position having changed much in 18 months, most of our better players will have moved on and, if they're replaced at all, will have been replaced by inferior players.

Does Lambert then get a second crack at managing us in the Premier League?  I supposed he would, at least initially.

I'd imagine our financial position would change markedly. For a start, how many of the big wage players would still be here?

I appreciate we'd lose our better players, so Benteke would be gone, but if you're accepting that, then you also have to imagine the likes of Given and Bent and Ireland will be off, too. Our wage bill would be reduced hugely.

We would then be going up into a PL with the new huge TV money.

If you're adamant our financial situation would still be terrible, then sacking the manager is going to sap away even more cash.

Ultimately, we'd have a choice. Sack the incumbent and look for a new man, or keep him and let him continue what he has started. We'll have plenty of pain, but I refuse to believe there would be no gain made.

So, we sack him, who do we look to then?

[LeeB]

Trying to get greg to name names is nigh-on impossible, he avoids it with the skill and expertise of a politician.

[saunders_heroes]

It's all about opinions. Benteke aside, not one of one players you mention are PL standard. That's why we're spiralling toward the drop.

I thought you said "pile of shite" rather than "not PL standard"

I'd suggest Vlaar is, what with him being a Dutch international, and Westwood has looked very comfortable, wouldn't you agree? And Lowton, whilst unspectacular, has done ok.

It's your "everything is shit" line again. There are good points to be made about how shit we are, but they get drowned out in the hyperbolic nonsense you come out with.

Our problem is that this season, we have found ourselves playing too many up and coming young players *at the same time*. Just as 11 promising players thrown together does not mean you have a promising "team", the team struggling does not mean that all the players in it are shite.

I don't know if you've noticed but this is quite possibly, if not definitely the worst season the Villa have endured for for decades. I know you're desperately trying to find a positive somewhere amongst the doom. Perhaps it was because you fell for the "young and hungry" lie at the start of the season, but whatever it is its baffling.
As I said, it's my opinion that Benteke aside, not one of those players are fit for the PL, and I would go as far to say that they're a pile of shit. Even Blamongue Vlaar.
The manager isn't up to the job. He's in his wisdom thought it was a good idea to "strengthen" a squad who struggled last season with a bunch of lower league players and relatively cheap foreigners. It was absolute madness and boy are we suffering for it now.
Let's hope that a miracle happens and we stay up. But whatever happens he doesn't deserve to be manager of our great club.

[lovejoy]

Tell e who we'd get in and I'll tell you if it would be ok to get rid.

[Greg N'Ash]

Just a question Paulie but where do you see this ending? Say we go down and Lambert isn't sacked you want him to give it a go in the championship? So next season we go with Lambert with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Westwood sold and you want him to try to get us up with  Hutton and Co? We'll be going the other way.

Yes, I would stick with him.

It's one of those emotive questions, based on the suggestion we should be looking for revenge on the bloke who put us down, but let me ask you this, if we did go down, what sort of names do you think we'd be looking at as manager to replace him?

And, let's not forget, go down and the players you mentioned who'd be offski, would still be offski no matter who the new manager was.

hmmm. So you want a guy in charge who's got no record of motivating or even getting organised the sorry collection of players still remaining and with no money to buy new ones. Isn't that where we are now?

I would stick with a guy who has proven pedigree of getting teams promoted.

I will ask you again - who would you look to replace him with, if we got relegated?

Anyone with a record of promotion to the PL and not taking Aston Villa down in the process. It's not a very exclusive club frankly.

So, go on then, who?

You're the chairman. We get relegated. You need a manager who can get us back up, with a squad someone else put together, and not much money to spend

Who do you approach?

There's literally loads Paulie. Just look at the clubs who've got promoted to the PL in the last 10 years for starters. That's the point - you seem to think Lambert has this ace record and it isn't.