Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[pauliewalnuts]

Lose to Newcastle and I'd say he's gone

I'd say there is absolutely zero chance he's getting sacked this season, zero.

[Greg N'Ash]

One thing you see a lot on here is "Manager X would do better than Lambert", but that is not the point. Manager X, Y or Z would have to do significantly better than Lambert if we are to stay up under these circumstances. A bit better won't be enough.

well not really that much better, just as bad/better as TSM.  we've had 20m spent on the squad since he limped to the finish line last May. If we have a weaker squad of players now then that's down to Lambchop. If we haven't then their performances are also down to lampchop.

 Anyway, we're going over old ground here. Sooner or later those saying In or out will be overtaken by events and will be forced to concede they are wrong. I hope its the outs because if you're wrong we'll be down.

[Chris Smith]

It wouldn't hurt if the boring drone came out with a bit of honesty.

As much as I dislike Redknapp and Brendan Rodgers, they suffer an embaressing defeat and come out with both barrells firing saying how it's not acceptable and slamming the players. After every defeat we get some soft arse shit from Lambert how they gave there all etc etc, bollocks did they. Bradford should not be capable of beating us over 2 games. We should not be conceding from nearly every corner or cross thrown into the box. Theres a real lack of commitment from the defenders, i'm talking about last ditch tackles, throwing your head in where it hurts, busting your bollocks to stop a winger getting a cross in. I don't see any of this from this set of players. They're on easy street and not killing themselves for the club.

The sooner Lambert starts telling a few of these c***s some how truths the better.

I can see where you're coming from but it looks like these are the payers he's going to have to rely on for the season, further humiliating them in public is not going to help.

[pauliewalnuts]

One thing you see a lot on here is "Manager X would do better than Lambert", but that is not the point. Manager X, Y or Z would have to do significantly better than Lambert if we are to stay up under these circumstances. A bit better won't be enough.

well not really that much better, just as bad/better as TSM.  we've had 20m spent on the squad since he limped to the finish line last May. If we have a weaker squad of players now then that's down to Lambchop. If we haven't then their performances are also down to lampchop.

 Anyway, we're going over old ground here. Sooner or later those saying In or out will be overtaken by events and will be forced to concede they are wrong. I hope its the outs because if you're wrong we'll be down.

Your second paragraph really makes no odds to me.

I've already said, I think we are getting relegated. I'm not living in denial about that.

I think, given the situation we are in, the situation which has developed over the last few years, if there is no investment in players, we're properly fucked. Fucked.

If there is to be investment in players, then for every extra day into this transfer window, it has come too late.

[pauliewalnuts]

It wouldn't hurt if the boring drone came out with a bit of honesty.

As much as I dislike Redknapp and Brendan Rodgers, they suffer an embaressing defeat and come out with both barrells firing saying how it's not acceptable and slamming the players. After every defeat we get some soft arse shit from Lambert how they gave there all etc etc, bollocks did they. Bradford should not be capable of beating us over 2 games. We should not be conceding from nearly every corner or cross thrown into the box. Theres a real lack of commitment from the defenders, i'm talking about last ditch tackles, throwing your head in where it hurts, busting your bollocks to stop a winger getting a cross in. I don't see any of this from this set of players. They're on easy street and not killing themselves for the club.

The sooner Lambert starts telling a few of these c***s some how truths the better.

I can see where you're coming from but it looks like these are the payers he's going to have to rely on for the season, further humiliating them in public is not going to help.

Totally agree.

If we are stuck with this squad, then if there is one thing that will improve them, it is regaining some of their confidence. That's even less likely to happen if the manager starts screaming and swearing at them.

[Chris Smith]

One thing you see a lot on here is "Manager X would do better than Lambert", but that is not the point. Manager X, Y or Z would have to do significantly better than Lambert if we are to stay up under these circumstances. A bit better won't be enough.

well not really that much better, just as bad/better as TSM.  we've had 20m spent on the squad since he limped to the finish line last May. If we have a weaker squad of players now then that's down to Lambchop. If we haven't then their performances are also down to lampchop.

 Anyway, we're going over old ground here. Sooner or later those saying In or out will be overtaken by events and will be forced to concede they are wrong. I hope its the outs because if you're wrong we'll be down.

It's not his fault that several players were out of contract, others have been injured and Petrov go ill. We've had to create almost an entire new team while playing competitive games.

[olaftab]

Lose to Newcastle and I'd say he's gone

NO.

[malckennedy]

I wonder what proportion of Norwich's supporters will be clamouring for Hughton to be sacked as they tumble relentlessly down the league and exit the FA Cup at the hands of a Conference team - at home. After all, he inherited a team that were comfortably mid table last season (as opposed to one that was nearly relegated for the second season running).

Where there are no credible alternatives that will help our current plight, public demands for a change of manager will hinder not help any chance we have of avoiding relegation. Lambert's increasing desparation (and the errors that come with this) have been caused by the situation he is in, trying to manage a club that has no direction. Most human beings would be influenced by this and any successor (who?) would be too.

I don't care about Norwich, I care about Aston Villa. Your position rests upon 3 assumptions which I think are wrong, 1) that there are no credible alternatives, 2) the club has no direction and 3) that no manager could do a better job than Lambert given the resources he's had.

Lambert's record at our club speaks for itself, it is horrendous and if the man had any shame he would have walked by now. He knew the challenge he was accepting and he's had a full pre-season and £20 million plus to spend on players after assessing the squad he inherited. Unfortunately the decisions he has made haven't paid off, and this has led to the complete and utter continued embarrassment of our club.

His quote about experience still rankles me, he said experience doesn't guarantee anything, well yes and no, it doesn't guarantee performances or results, though it's usually a good indicator, but what experience does guarantee, is experience, and that in itself can be a massively valuable asset. Maybe if he had a little more experience himself, he wouldn't have said such a stupid thing and made some of the numerous stupid mistakes he has.

You start your post by stating that my "position" rests on 3 assumptions that you believe to be wrong. They are (1) there are no credible alternatives to Lambert, (2) the club has no direction and (3) that no manager could do a better job than Lambert given the resources he's had. This a reasonable start but you then confine yourself to repeating oft stated criticisms of him (some of which I wouldn't seek to disagree with).

Can I have the answers to the assumptions that you think are wrong please. In other words, what is the credible alternative, what is the direction of the club, who is the maanger that could (or would) come in now and do a much better job?

[Greg N'Ash]

One thing you see a lot on here is "Manager X would do better than Lambert", but that is not the point. Manager X, Y or Z would have to do significantly better than Lambert if we are to stay up under these circumstances. A bit better won't be enough.

well not really that much better, just as bad/better as TSM.  we've had 20m spent on the squad since he limped to the finish line last May. If we have a weaker squad of players now then that's down to Lambchop. If we haven't then their performances are also down to lampchop.

 Anyway, we're going over old ground here. Sooner or later those saying In or out will be overtaken by events and will be forced to concede they are wrong. I hope its the outs because if you're wrong we'll be down.

Your second paragraph really makes no odds to me.

I've already said, I think we are getting relegated. I'm not living in denial about that.

I think, given the situation we are in, the situation which has developed over the last few years, if there is no investment in players, we're properly fucked. Fucked.

If there is to be investment in players, then for every extra day into this transfer window, it has come too late.

Plenty of premiership clubs didn't spend 20m in the summer paulie. I agree that we desperately need players but we're not on a shoestring like some clubs., and we certainly should have better players than the likes of Bradford and Millwall. The fact we got so comprehensively turned over by them hints its something in the coaching or confidence and that can be fixed with no money on new players.

[Greg N'Ash]

One thing you see a lot on here is "Manager X would do better than Lambert", but that is not the point. Manager X, Y or Z would have to do significantly better than Lambert if we are to stay up under these circumstances. A bit better won't be enough.

well not really that much better, just as bad/better as TSM.  we've had 20m spent on the squad since he limped to the finish line last May. If we have a weaker squad of players now then that's down to Lambchop. If we haven't then their performances are also down to lampchop.

 Anyway, we're going over old ground here. Sooner or later those saying In or out will be overtaken by events and will be forced to concede they are wrong. I hope its the outs because if you're wrong we'll be down.

It's not his fault that several players were out of contract, others have been injured and Petrov go ill. We've had to create almost an entire new team while playing competitive games.

oh come on chris. We hardly lost the creme de la creme in the summer. Petrov was the only big loss and 20m should have covered that

[sirlordbaltimore]

How Lambert is still in charge defies belief IMHO

[hilts_coolerking]

It's not his fault that several players were out of contract, others have been injured and Petrov go ill. We've had to create almost an entire new team while playing competitive games.

I think that's right but the folly lies in creating almost an entire new team for the Premier League almost entirely out of players who have never played in it before, and in some cases never at that standard.

It was always going to be a struggle but I think even the ardent optimists never saw it being quite as bad as this.

[PaulWinch again]

Same here, so it's up to him to sign some players and sort our team out.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's not his fault that several players were out of contract, others have been injured and Petrov go ill. We've had to create almost an entire new team while playing competitive games.

I think that's right but the folly lies in creating almost an entire new team for the Premier League almost entirely out of players who have never played in it before, and in some cases never at that standard.

I would entirely agree with that, and enough of us were saying we were worried about it when the season started.

For three years now, the club has been talking about nothing but the wage bill. All the players they signed in the summer fitted in with the lower wage framework - from lower divisions or from European "selling" leagues.

It's one thing spending 20m, but it is another entirely spending that some of money and being limited to 20k a week salary players.

That's the problem. Too much wage bill slashing, way, way too quickly.

[silhillvilla]

How Lambert is still in charge defies belief IMHO

Agree, Herbert would have pulled the trigger before driving home from Stamford Bridge.