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Author Topic: Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May  (Read 848138 times)

Offline ozzjim

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #420 on: December 31, 2012, 09:32:09 AM »
He signed some very useful players here last summer. The issue is partly that 9 was not enough to cover the gaping holes in the squad. We needed another 3. Got those and we might be a few points better off and still extolling the virtues of the young players he signed. Only 1 has been a real disappointment, but the most pivotal given our squad situation.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #421 on: December 31, 2012, 09:48:17 AM »
According to the Graun, Lambert has accepted that he has to sign players with Prem experience: click

what did he expect .  signing 7 players with no experience in the prem

In the article he pretty much says his rationale was "it worked at Norwich last year" link .

In fairness, you can't blame him for sticking with the policy that's worked for him in the past. There's some very useful players at Norwich at the moment (Pilkington being one).
The problem with that argument is that a squad that achieves promotion together has the benefit of having worked well in the past. Any new addition is coming into an established team environment.
We have all the characteristics of a newly-promoted side but none of the benefits.

And it's the "it worked at Norwich" comment which worries me: our situation was entirely different and PL should have recognised that.

In his defence, I'd say he probably expected more from the established players he inherited than in fact he got. When you consider that he took on a squad with Warnock, N'Zog, GA, Ireland, Bent, Given and Albrighton - all experienced PL players (and I'm ignoring the ones whom he had probably in his mind already written off) - he probably thought he'd got enough experience to work with.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #422 on: December 31, 2012, 09:51:39 AM »
According to the Graun, Lambert has accepted that he has to sign players with Prem experience: click

what did he expect .  signing 7 players with no experience in the prem

In the article he pretty much says his rationale was "it worked at Norwich last year" link .

In fairness, you can't blame him for sticking with the policy that's worked for him in the past. There's some very useful players at Norwich at the moment (Pilkington being one).
The problem with that argument is that a squad that achieves promotion together has the benefit of having worked well in the past.

A mate said exactly the same thing to me on Saturday and it's a fair point and one i'd forgotten.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #423 on: December 31, 2012, 09:55:57 AM »

In his defence, I'd say he probably expected more from the established players he inherited than in fact he got. When you consider that he took on a squad with Warnock, N'Zog, GA, Ireland, Bent, Given and Albrighton - all experienced PL players (and I'm ignoring the ones whom he had probably in his mind already written off) - he probably thought he'd got enough experience to work with.

Exactly right mate...

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #424 on: December 31, 2012, 09:58:01 AM »
He inherited some the Norwich players and added to them over the 2 years in a lower league, he has bought in 7 players in as many weeks here and they haven't had chance to gel over time, they've been thrown in to sink or swim , the players we already had here have been of little or no help to him.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #425 on: December 31, 2012, 10:00:52 AM »
I said Hughes earlier. He was on the short list the last 2 times so folk say. Available immediately. Not saying I'd want him, but he is the obvious candidate if the trigger is pulled.

And what a candidate he'd be - the bloke who assembled the team and squad currently rooted to the bottom of the table.

It would be a fine chance for him to emulate McNeill, and for me to hate him with even more passion.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #426 on: December 31, 2012, 10:14:27 AM »
According to the Graun, Lambert has accepted that he has to sign players with Prem experience: click

what did he expect .  signing 7 players with no experience in the prem

In the article he pretty much says his rationale was "it worked at Norwich last year" link .


already a group that had worked together for years , not just thrown together in mths. 

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #427 on: December 31, 2012, 10:33:34 AM »
McLeish and now Lambert have been very badly let down by three or four "senior" players.

I hink Lambert will get the opportunity to get rid mind.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #428 on: December 31, 2012, 11:15:24 AM »
Howard Wilkinson would be brilliant. He's the kind of man who has a really tidy shed. Lots of spare sticks for stirring paint, and separate fuel cans for petrol and two-stroke.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #429 on: December 31, 2012, 11:22:54 AM »
Howard Wilkinson would be brilliant. He's the kind of man who has a really tidy shed. Lots of spare sticks for stirring paint, and separate fuel cans for petrol and two-stroke.
I have trouble sleeping,it would be a great signing.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #430 on: December 31, 2012, 11:23:28 AM »
I think, just like your young squad, we have to accept Lambert is still learning, he's not the finished article, he will make mistakes but overall we've got a bloody good manager who WILL improve over time.

He's got all the characteristics to sort us out, he's not looking for excuses or demanding more money to buy his way out of his mistakes. So far he's been very careful with the transfer budget, not even spending it all last summer, he may have miscalculated the need for experience but I doubt there's many on here that anticipated such an injury list at this time of year.

We need to understand just how big the Villa job is, it's not for the weak or the cowardly. Lambert is a fighter and I still believe he's the right man for the job. Hopefully it won't be too long before we look back over these recent spankings and reflect it wasn't just the team that was work in progress but the manager too and we were right to stick with him.

To date, the Villa fans have been superb with their support for the team and manager, hopefully we'll soon be rewarded for that loyalty. Nobody said it would be easy dragging us into the 21st century but when we get there, it will have been worth the long, hard journey.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #431 on: December 31, 2012, 11:25:52 AM »
I really don't think that we should be bringing in manager's on the basis they have a tidy shed. I know we all love a tidy shed but where will it all end? Bobby Gould because he has a lovely allottment?

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #432 on: December 31, 2012, 11:52:30 AM »
Yes let's  get Lambert out and bring in Dave Bassett or Iain Dowie and turn us into a complete joke.

After conceding 15 goals in 3 games I'd suggest Lambert's already turned us into a joke.
Nothing to stop you from suggesting that however we are not a joke club, never have been , never will be.

Other than in your original post, of course!

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #433 on: December 31, 2012, 11:53:50 AM »
I think, just like your young squad, we have to accept Lambert is still learning, he's not the finished article, he will make mistakes but overall we've got a bloody good manager who WILL improve over time.

He's got all the characteristics to sort us out, he's not looking for excuses or demanding more money to buy his way out of his mistakes. So far he's been very careful with the transfer budget, not even spending it all last summer, he may have miscalculated the need for experience but I doubt there's many on here that anticipated such an injury list at this time of year.

We need to understand just how big the Villa job is, it's not for the weak or the cowardly. Lambert is a fighter and I still believe he's the right man for the job. Hopefully it won't be too long before we look back over these recent spankings and reflect it wasn't just the team that was work in progress but the manager too and we were right to stick with him.

To date, the Villa fans have been superb with their support for the team and manager, hopefully we'll soon be rewarded for that loyalty. Nobody said it would be easy dragging us into the 21st century but when we get there, it will have been worth the long, hard journey.

If he drags us into the Championship, which is looking the more likely scenario, it won't have been worth it.  At the time of the new TV deal, that will be suicidal.

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Re: Lambert out
« Reply #434 on: December 31, 2012, 12:22:37 PM »
According to the Graun, Lambert has accepted that he has to sign players with Prem experience: click

what did he expect .  signing 7 players with no experience in the prem

In the article he pretty much says his rationale was "it worked at Norwich last year" link .

In fairness, you can't blame him for sticking with the policy that's worked for him in the past. There's some very useful players at Norwich at the moment (Pilkington being one).

Different dynamic, though. Norwich were a team on the up, they formed their team bonds as they came through the divisions.

We are a club heading in the opposite direction, with a momentum that will kill off the spirits of young players.

 


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