Jordan Bowery

[PeterWithesShin]

To be honest it's pretty pointless trying explain it when you seem to struggle with the basic concept of tactics and how they are implemented in different ways. And sorry if that sounds condescending but I can't think of any other way of putting it.

Go on please try Sir, I'm so eager to learn from a master.   

Google is your friend. That will help you pick up the basics then we can go for intermediate level on here.

[Chrisupnorth]

I've been watching Villa since I was 4 (45 years) and can only remember one game in isolation where tactics were a clear deciding factor in a match and that was BFR using Dalian out wide in the League Cup Final.

Ahh. OK. This thread makes more sense with this bit of information.

Enlighten me then  - I'm genuinely interested.

Just that, you know, tactics quite often affect the outcome of a match? Like ... er ... yesterday?
You can never prove it but most people think it's probably the case.

Tactics yesterday?  We took off an ineffective player and replaced him with someone we *hoped* would be better.  I don't call that tactics - that's common sense.   if I was playing someone £3m a year then that's the least I would expect.

Are you going to actually come up with any examples of tactical nous or just tell me about subs?

Try again.  Spot on.

[pestria]

To be honest it's pretty pointless trying explain it when you seem to struggle with the basic concept of tactics and how they are implemented in different ways. And sorry if that sounds condescending but I can't think of any other way of putting it.

Go on please try Sir, I'm so eager to learn from a master.   

Google is your friend. That will help you pick up the basics then we can go for intermediate level on here.

I've been watching Villa since I was 4 (45 years) and can only remember one game in isolation where tactics were a clear deciding factor in a match and that was BFR using Dalian out wide in the League Cup Final.

Ahh. OK. This thread makes more sense with this bit of information.

Enlighten me then  - I'm genuinely interested.

Just that, you know, tactics quite often affect the outcome of a match? Like ... er ... yesterday?
You can never prove it but most people think it's probably the case.

Tactics yesterday?  We took off an ineffective player and replaced him with someone we *hoped* would be better.  I don't call that tactics - that's common sense.   if I was playing someone £3m a year then that's the least I would expect.

Are you going to actually come up with any examples of tactical nous or just tell me about subs?

Try again.  Spot on.

confused

[Chrisupnorth]

To be honest it's pretty pointless trying explain it when you seem to struggle with the basic concept of tactics and how they are implemented in different ways. And sorry if that sounds condescending but I can't think of any other way of putting it.

Go on please try Sir, I'm so eager to learn from a master.   

Google is your friend. That will help you pick up the basics then we can go for intermediate level on here.

I've been watching Villa since I was 4 (45 years) and can only remember one game in isolation where tactics were a clear deciding factor in a match and that was BFR using Dalian out wide in the League Cup Final.

Ahh. OK. This thread makes more sense with this bit of information.

Enlighten me then  - I'm genuinely interested.

Just that, you know, tactics quite often affect the outcome of a match? Like ... er ... yesterday?
You can never prove it but most people think it's probably the case.

Tactics yesterday?  We took off an ineffective player and replaced him with someone we *hoped* would be better.  I don't call that tactics - that's common sense.   if I was playing someone £3m a year then that's the least I would expect.

Are you going to actually come up with any examples of tactical nous or just tell me about subs?

Try again.  Spot on.

confused

No confusion P.  I'm in agreement with you.

[pestria]

To be honest it's pretty pointless trying explain it when you seem to struggle with the basic concept of tactics and how they are implemented in different ways. And sorry if that sounds condescending but I can't think of any other way of putting it.

Go on please try Sir, I'm so eager to learn from a master.   

Google is your friend. That will help you pick up the basics then we can go for intermediate level on here.

Why do you avoid answering my question?   Namely why was playing Bowery and then having to withdraw him in two games in order for us to go on and win an example of good tactics?

I'm asking a genuine question.  You are being patronising and condescending.  Not good for a moderator.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm not avoiding it. I've said that it's pointless IMO to try and explain tactics when you can think of only 2 examples in 45 years where tactics have played a major part in Villa results. I'm not going to write a War and Peace length post about tactics only for you to decide it's wrong anyway as you've already made up your mind.

[chrisf]

LOL

[chrisf]

Sorry, I laughed out loud at Chrisupnorth and Pestria confusing each other. Sorry again lads but it was funny.

[pestria]

I'm not avoiding it. I've said that it's pointless IMO to try and explain tactics when you can think of only 2 examples in 45 years where tactics have played a major part in Villa results. I'm not going to write a War and Peace length post about tactics only for you to decide it's wrong anyway as you've already made up your mind.

Well just give me a couple of quick examples then.

[Somniloquism]

To be honest it's pretty pointless trying explain it when you seem to struggle with the basic concept of tactics and how they are implemented in different ways. And sorry if that sounds condescending but I can't think of any other way of putting it.

Go on please try Sir, I'm so eager to learn from a master.   

Google is your friend. That will help you pick up the basics then we can go for intermediate level on here.

Why do you avoid answering my question?   Namely why was playing Bowery and then having to withdraw him in two games in order for us to go on and win an example of good tactics?

I'm asking a genuine question.  You are being patronising and condescending.  Not good for a moderator.

Yesterday, the tactic was to play him to help out the defence at set pieces, strengthen up the right side and to help attack as well. The first two he did admirably, the third he didn't do well enough,  although, as with all the team he started the first 10-15 mins brightly. When Weimann was subbed, we needed to change the tactics again to put proper wingers on for Bent. Hence Bowery off for Dawkins and Charles to the right. We sacrificed some of the defence aspect for the attacking ability as we needed to win that game. This was shown as West Ham actually only started to get good chances from the set pieces after that change (Bent off the line for one).

[PeterWithesShin]

Bowery against West Ham. Fenton in midfield against ManUre. There's two quick ones.

[pestria]

Sorry, I laughed out loud at Chrisupnorth and Pestria confusing each other. Sorry again lads but it was funny.

We have to keep each other amused while waiting for you and PeterWithesShin to substantiate your arguments.

[MoetVillan]

Pestria.  Taking out the bias, did you watch Albion against Liverpool tonight.  Good for insomnia, but also backs up PWS point.  Dorrans played for about 70mins, dulling every Liverpool attack by being part of a deep defensive unit.  WBA had not had a shot, never mind on target.  Lukaku came on, WBA went forward, and had their first shot on target, went out for a corner, scored from it, then scored from the next break.

Namely why was playing Bowery and then having to withdraw him in two games in order for us to go on and win an example of good tactics?

Substitute Bowery for Dorrans, and hey presto, manager makes good decision (ditto yesterday)

[pestria]

Bowery against West Ham. Fenton in midfield against ManUre. There's two quick ones.

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Fenton was the same game I mentioned - so that doesn't count.

Bowery - please explain some more as he wasn't on the pitch when we scored our goals and won the game.

[pestria]

Pestria.  Taking out the bias, did you watch Albion against Liverpool tonight.  Good for insomnia, but also backs up PWS point.  Dorrans played for about 70mins, dulling every Liverpool attack by being part of a deep defensive unit.  WBA had not had a shot, never mind on target.  Lukaku came on, WBA went forward, and had their first shot on target, went out for a corner, scored from it, then scored from the next break.

Namely why was playing Bowery and then having to withdraw him in two games in order for us to go on and win an example of good tactics?

Substitute Bowery for Dorrans, and hey presto, manager makes good decision (ditto yesterday)

That's a fair argument - not one I can comment on not having seen the game - but is way more helpful than PWS.