Aston Villa v Wigan Athletic Match Thread

[Irish villain]

It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.

So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.

He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.

There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.

McLeish was brought in to lower the wage bill. I'm sure not a lot has changed. I think Lambert would have bought better players if he had more money. Lerner's policy is to keep the wage bill down and stay in the Premier League.

[Lamb_Stockmix]

That tackle sums it all up really.

[Villafirst]

Bannans passing is dump!

I think all these kids have been damaged by the last two years of upheaval - promising players ruined by incompetence from the board. Sell up Lerner!!

[eamonn]

It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.

So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.

He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.

There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.

Agreed. I mentioned a couple of pages ago that we were willing to stump-up the cash and wages for Dempsey in August. I don't think it's as cut and dried as telling Lambert he can only buy players on less than 30 grand a week. Lambert in his press conference yesterday made a telling comment that how experience has caused Villa's problems in the last couple of years. He wants to mould young players who happen to not cost the earth in fee or wage. That's his thing.

[adamski villa]

dreadfully missing Stan and Gabby

[ronshirt]

Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.

Who to?

   

To wit to who?

[Toronto Villa]

In relative terms this is th same as being hammered 8-0 at Chelsea. I don't know if this is the bottom of the barrel but we have to be at it or close. I cannot remember for a long, long time ineptitude of this level and that includes some pearlers from last season.

[Fergal]

I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.

I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.

If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.

100% agree with all of this

I 100% disagree.  This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.

[onje_villa]

The only thing that would make me feel worse right now is if Lambert left. He has to stay but we have to invest. Bare bones beyond belief

[Diablo]

Collymore's tweets are really giving Randy hell. He is really putting the boot in. We must be the worst run club in the League.

Why what's he saying?

[Lamb_Stockmix]

I just wanna stay up. That's all I care about.

Please please do not get relegated Villa.

[Astral Weeks]

jeezuz Lambert is not the problem

Doesn't he manage and pick this team?

He does but look at what he has to pick from.

But he has bought a lot of those players!

The problem was the wage bill.

He's bought players, every single one of them either lower leagues youngsters or from cheap foreign leagues.

The thing I worry about most is that he still thinks this is the way forward, and January will see more of the same coming in.

I think that is the point I am trying to make that Lambert is even worse than MON for stubbornness and he cannot see the folly of his formations and transfer policy!

Given the present circumstances, continuing to leave Bent out is looking like wilful negligence.

[eastie]

We were told in the summer the money was there for lambert , he chose to buy younger lower league players - he wasn't made to do so.

[Boz]

Bannans passing is dump!

I think all these kids have been damaged by the last two years of upheaval - promising players ruined by incompetence from the board. Sell up Lerner!!

And who do you propose to replace him?

[Risso]

I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.

I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.

If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.

Lambert has got to resign or be sacked.  He's been an absolute disaster of an appointment.  OK it was the appointment we all wanted, but it simply hasn't worked, and he's made us the laughing stock of English football.  The mumbling, incoherent "we go again" arse.