Definitely would be more interesting if things went the way of the NFL but they'd never do that. Things are basically going to have break-even "starting now" so clubs like City are surely waaaaay ahead of the game.
Quote from: onje_villa on December 18, 2012, 07:40:22 PMDefinitely would be more interesting if things went the way of the NFL but they'd never do that. Things are basically going to have break-even "starting now" so clubs like City are surely waaaaay ahead of the game.NFL is a little different as there no other real leagues in that sport. If the Premier League were to impose a salary cap, the top players would just move to another league. Interest in the Premiership would wane, the money would go out of it and we would be back to how football was in this country in the mid to late 80's.
As others have said it's a case of the current elite pulling up the drawbridge behind them. Even if someone tempts the Sultan of Brunei or Bill Gates into taking them over, the new rules will prevent him funding a rise to the top a la Chelsea, Man City, PSG, etc. I suppose the big loss makers like Chelsea and Citeh may have to find a way to break even, but I'm sure they'll wangle it somehow. The closed shop idea was always the intention of that so-called G14 group of clubs back in the 90s and they are pretty much there now. Which makes it surprising that so many "making up the numbers" clubs are in favour. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.
Quote from: ktvillan on December 18, 2012, 10:00:44 PMAs others have said it's a case of the current elite pulling up the drawbridge behind them. Even if someone tempts the Sultan of Brunei or Bill Gates into taking them over, the new rules will prevent him funding a rise to the top a la Chelsea, Man City, PSG, etc. I suppose the big loss makers like Chelsea and Citeh may have to find a way to break even, but I'm sure they'll wangle it somehow. The closed shop idea was always the intention of that so-called G14 group of clubs back in the 90s and they are pretty much there now. Which makes it surprising that so many "making up the numbers" clubs are in favour. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas. I don't think they are voting for Christmas. I think those clubs who will be in the 8 - 16 position range of the Premier League are quite happy to continue the status quo and keep feeding themselves very nicely out of the trough that is filled with Sky and all the other TV income etc.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 11:43:22 PMQuote from: onje_villa on December 18, 2012, 07:40:22 PMDefinitely would be more interesting if things went the way of the NFL but they'd never do that. Things are basically going to have break-even "starting now" so clubs like City are surely waaaaay ahead of the game.NFL is a little different as there no other real leagues in that sport. If the Premier League were to impose a salary cap, the top players would just move to another league. Interest in the Premiership would wane, the money would go out of it and we would be back to how football was in this country in the mid to late 80's. Result! I think it could well happen anyway - the current top 4 will be consolidated by the FFP rules and I think the next logical step would be the formation of a breakaway European league. Platini is already talking about a 64 team "Champions" league (4th place qualifying as a 'Champion' is pretty ironic - 7th place is just ridiculous) and scrapping the Europa League - which itself has been modified from the UEFA/Inter-Cities Fairs Cup - smoothing the path for a single European competition as a precursor for an 'elite' European League. The money barons clubs will fuck off to that league and the rest of us can get on with playing football with a pretty even chance of actually winning something.
Quote from: fredm on December 19, 2012, 10:04:22 AMQuote from: ktvillan on December 18, 2012, 10:00:44 PMAs others have said it's a case of the current elite pulling up the drawbridge behind them. Even if someone tempts the Sultan of Brunei or Bill Gates into taking them over, the new rules will prevent him funding a rise to the top a la Chelsea, Man City, PSG, etc. I suppose the big loss makers like Chelsea and Citeh may have to find a way to break even, but I'm sure they'll wangle it somehow. The closed shop idea was always the intention of that so-called G14 group of clubs back in the 90s and they are pretty much there now. Which makes it surprising that so many "making up the numbers" clubs are in favour. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas. I don't think they are voting for Christmas. I think those clubs who will be in the 8 - 16 position range of the Premier League are quite happy to continue the status quo and keep feeding themselves very nicely out of the trough that is filled with Sky and all the other TV income etc.Exactly.Sadly, Premier League football for the majority of clubs stopped being about winning things when finishing 4th was seen as the most important 'achievement' there is.
Quote from: CJ on December 19, 2012, 10:21:03 AMQuote from: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 11:43:22 PMQuote from: onje_villa on December 18, 2012, 07:40:22 PMDefinitely would be more interesting if things went the way of the NFL but they'd never do that. Things are basically going to have break-even "starting now" so clubs like City are surely waaaaay ahead of the game.NFL is a little different as there no other real leagues in that sport. If the Premier League were to impose a salary cap, the top players would just move to another league. Interest in the Premiership would wane, the money would go out of it and we would be back to how football was in this country in the mid to late 80's. Result! I think it could well happen anyway - the current top 4 will be consolidated by the FFP rules and I think the next logical step would be the formation of a breakaway European league. Platini is already talking about a 64 team "Champions" league (4th place qualifying as a 'Champion' is pretty ironic - 7th place is just ridiculous) and scrapping the Europa League - which itself has been modified from the UEFA/Inter-Cities Fairs Cup - smoothing the path for a single European competition as a precursor for an 'elite' European League. The money barons clubs will fuck off to that league and the rest of us can get on with playing football with a pretty even chance of actually winning something. Don't get me wrong, it is something I wouldn't mind seeing, but I just can't see the Premier League ever agreeing to something that will threaten the current status quo. I personally wouldn't care less if the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal (maybe even Liverpool) swanned off into some European Super League, as I find the media's infatuation with them increasingly frustrating. If that were to happen, then I think an expanded Champions League would see automatic entry for teams in a new super league with a couple of teams qualifying from each country as well.
Quote from: Ad@m on December 19, 2012, 10:08:24 AMQuote from: fredm on December 19, 2012, 10:04:22 AMQuote from: ktvillan on December 18, 2012, 10:00:44 PMAs others have said it's a case of the current elite pulling up the drawbridge behind them. Even if someone tempts the Sultan of Brunei or Bill Gates into taking them over, the new rules will prevent him funding a rise to the top a la Chelsea, Man City, PSG, etc. I suppose the big loss makers like Chelsea and Citeh may have to find a way to break even, but I'm sure they'll wangle it somehow. The closed shop idea was always the intention of that so-called G14 group of clubs back in the 90s and they are pretty much there now. Which makes it surprising that so many "making up the numbers" clubs are in favour. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas. I don't think they are voting for Christmas. I think those clubs who will be in the 8 - 16 position range of the Premier League are quite happy to continue the status quo and keep feeding themselves very nicely out of the trough that is filled with Sky and all the other TV income etc.Exactly.Sadly, Premier League football for the majority of clubs stopped being about winning things when finishing 4th was seen as the most important 'achievement' there is.I think that hope could be more or less extinguished and the top 3-4 will be even more set in stone than it has been the last 10 years.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:37:14 PMQuote from: CJ on December 19, 2012, 10:21:03 AMQuote from: tomd2103 on December 18, 2012, 11:43:22 PMQuote from: onje_villa on December 18, 2012, 07:40:22 PMDefinitely would be more interesting if things went the way of the NFL but they'd never do that. Things are basically going to have break-even "starting now" so clubs like City are surely waaaaay ahead of the game.NFL is a little different as there no other real leagues in that sport. If the Premier League were to impose a salary cap, the top players would just move to another league. Interest in the Premiership would wane, the money would go out of it and we would be back to how football was in this country in the mid to late 80's. Result! I think it could well happen anyway - the current top 4 will be consolidated by the FFP rules and I think the next logical step would be the formation of a breakaway European league. Platini is already talking about a 64 team "Champions" league (4th place qualifying as a 'Champion' is pretty ironic - 7th place is just ridiculous) and scrapping the Europa League - which itself has been modified from the UEFA/Inter-Cities Fairs Cup - smoothing the path for a single European competition as a precursor for an 'elite' European League. The money barons clubs will fuck off to that league and the rest of us can get on with playing football with a pretty even chance of actually winning something. Don't get me wrong, it is something I wouldn't mind seeing, but I just can't see the Premier League ever agreeing to something that will threaten the current status quo. I personally wouldn't care less if the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal (maybe even Liverpool) swanned off into some European Super League, as I find the media's infatuation with them increasingly frustrating. If that were to happen, then I think an expanded Champions League would see automatic entry for teams in a new super league with a couple of teams qualifying from each country as well.Unfortunately for your theory, I don't think that if those clubs did swan off into a European super league, it would stop the media writing about them. I think they might be ALL they ever wrote about.
I personally wouldn't care less if the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal (maybe even Liverpool) swanned off into some European Super League, as I find the media's infatuation with them increasingly frustrating. If that were to happen, then I think an expanded Champions League would see automatic entry for teams in a new super league with a couple of teams qualifying from each country as well.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 19, 2012, 12:37:14 PMI personally wouldn't care less if the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal (maybe even Liverpool) swanned off into some European Super League, as I find the media's infatuation with them increasingly frustrating. If that were to happen, then I think an expanded Champions League would see automatic entry for teams in a new super league with a couple of teams qualifying from each country as well.I think this would have happened a few years ago if the logistics of it weren't so difficult. Those clubs would want to play 40-50 games a year still so it would have to be a full league program, meaning you couldn't really have people qualifying for it.If it were to happen I think you'd see 2 competitions, a league and a cup, with the cup being the 1 that domestic teams can qualify for and the league being a closed shop, but with maybe an element of the clubs being able to vote sides in and out (but only from within the same domestic league), I think all the power would be with the clubs though.