Quote from: Risso on September 24, 2015, 10:30:06 AMQuote from: Chris Smith on September 24, 2015, 07:50:39 AMQuote from: ktvillan on September 23, 2015, 11:34:22 PMI confess to be somewhat old fashioned and therefore a little unimpressed when people praise Westwood by saying things like he keeps the ball moving, and he keeps play ticking over. I've no real idea what keeping play ticking over means, or why it is supposedly a good thing. Or why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired. I'd prefer a player held on to it rather than keep it moving in the general direction of the opposition, as Westwood all too frequently does. I'd rather have a player who can put a foot in to win the ball, keep hold of it when he needs to, play the right pass at the right time, play an occasional killer pass, get some goals and assists, take a decent set piece, get forward and back quickly and effectively, and impose himself on the game and the opposition especially when we're under pressure. The kind of things that unfortunately Westwood regularly demonstrates he's not very good at. I just don't think he's particularly good I guess, but then I didn't rate Petrov much either.You don't understand why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired? Not every pass can be a killer pass but keeping possession until that opportunity arises is a fundamental part of the game - the water carrier as Cantona described them - and essential to any team. The wrong player in that role results in things like over ambitious passes or dribbles in your own half. There are obviously better players at it than Westwood (then again you could say that for all of our squad) but not to have anyone playing the role because you don't understand it is a dangerous game to play. I think Sherwood likes him because it is the role he used to do himself.It's an important skill, but it isn't enough for a Premier League player to only have that ability in his locker. Westwood offers very, very little of anything else.Agree to a point but 'so far' I haven't seen anyone who does what he does. That's not to say they can't but to date they haven't shown that they are suited to the job.
Quote from: Chris Smith on September 24, 2015, 07:50:39 AMQuote from: ktvillan on September 23, 2015, 11:34:22 PMI confess to be somewhat old fashioned and therefore a little unimpressed when people praise Westwood by saying things like he keeps the ball moving, and he keeps play ticking over. I've no real idea what keeping play ticking over means, or why it is supposedly a good thing. Or why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired. I'd prefer a player held on to it rather than keep it moving in the general direction of the opposition, as Westwood all too frequently does. I'd rather have a player who can put a foot in to win the ball, keep hold of it when he needs to, play the right pass at the right time, play an occasional killer pass, get some goals and assists, take a decent set piece, get forward and back quickly and effectively, and impose himself on the game and the opposition especially when we're under pressure. The kind of things that unfortunately Westwood regularly demonstrates he's not very good at. I just don't think he's particularly good I guess, but then I didn't rate Petrov much either.You don't understand why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired? Not every pass can be a killer pass but keeping possession until that opportunity arises is a fundamental part of the game - the water carrier as Cantona described them - and essential to any team. The wrong player in that role results in things like over ambitious passes or dribbles in your own half. There are obviously better players at it than Westwood (then again you could say that for all of our squad) but not to have anyone playing the role because you don't understand it is a dangerous game to play. I think Sherwood likes him because it is the role he used to do himself.It's an important skill, but it isn't enough for a Premier League player to only have that ability in his locker. Westwood offers very, very little of anything else.
Quote from: ktvillan on September 23, 2015, 11:34:22 PMI confess to be somewhat old fashioned and therefore a little unimpressed when people praise Westwood by saying things like he keeps the ball moving, and he keeps play ticking over. I've no real idea what keeping play ticking over means, or why it is supposedly a good thing. Or why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired. I'd prefer a player held on to it rather than keep it moving in the general direction of the opposition, as Westwood all too frequently does. I'd rather have a player who can put a foot in to win the ball, keep hold of it when he needs to, play the right pass at the right time, play an occasional killer pass, get some goals and assists, take a decent set piece, get forward and back quickly and effectively, and impose himself on the game and the opposition especially when we're under pressure. The kind of things that unfortunately Westwood regularly demonstrates he's not very good at. I just don't think he's particularly good I guess, but then I didn't rate Petrov much either.You don't understand why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired? Not every pass can be a killer pass but keeping possession until that opportunity arises is a fundamental part of the game - the water carrier as Cantona described them - and essential to any team. The wrong player in that role results in things like over ambitious passes or dribbles in your own half. There are obviously better players at it than Westwood (then again you could say that for all of our squad) but not to have anyone playing the role because you don't understand it is a dangerous game to play. I think Sherwood likes him because it is the role he used to do himself.
I confess to be somewhat old fashioned and therefore a little unimpressed when people praise Westwood by saying things like he keeps the ball moving, and he keeps play ticking over. I've no real idea what keeping play ticking over means, or why it is supposedly a good thing. Or why keeping the ball moving is something to be admired. I'd prefer a player held on to it rather than keep it moving in the general direction of the opposition, as Westwood all too frequently does. I'd rather have a player who can put a foot in to win the ball, keep hold of it when he needs to, play the right pass at the right time, play an occasional killer pass, get some goals and assists, take a decent set piece, get forward and back quickly and effectively, and impose himself on the game and the opposition especially when we're under pressure. The kind of things that unfortunately Westwood regularly demonstrates he's not very good at. I just don't think he's particularly good I guess, but then I didn't rate Petrov much either.
I personally after 3 years remain unconvinced he is good enough to be Top Level starter at all.Would he get into the Everton, Swansea, Southampton, West Ham starting line up? I don't think so.
Sherwood was touting him for England a few weeks ago.
Quote from: passport1 on September 24, 2015, 10:51:46 AMSherwood was touting him for England a few weeks ago.That's because Sherwood has his favourites
You tell me
Quote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AMYou tell meI would guess not. A manager might pick a player because he feels that he is better at following his instructions over a better player who doesn't. Is that any different to having 'favourites'?
Westwood looks neat and tidy in the deep midfield position when there is no opposition player near him. When he moves forward and has opposition players around him, his only way to play is either square or back. He does not seem to react quick enough to play the short through passes between the midfield and defence. He has a knack of playing more balls to players in no better position than himself.
Quote from: Dave on September 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AMQuote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AMYou tell meI would guess not. A manager might pick a player because he feels that he is better at following his instructions over a better player who doesn't. Is that any different to having 'favourites'?In my eyes yes.Are you telling me that when Bacuna plays at right back it's because Sherwood feels he can follow instructions better than Hutton or Richards?
Quote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:28:08 AMQuote from: Dave on September 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AMQuote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AMYou tell meI would guess not. A manager might pick a player because he feels that he is better at following his instructions over a better player who doesn't. Is that any different to having 'favourites'?In my eyes yes.Are you telling me that when Bacuna plays at right back it's because Sherwood feels he can follow instructions better than Hutton or Richards?I think he probably is. What other reason do you think the manager has?
Quote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:28:08 AMQuote from: Dave on September 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AMQuote from: in exile on September 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AMYou tell meI would guess not. A manager might pick a player because he feels that he is better at following his instructions over a better player who doesn't. Is that any different to having 'favourites'?In my eyes yes.Are you telling me that when Bacuna plays at right back it's because Sherwood feels he can follow instructions better than Hutton or Richards?Presumably either that or that he just thinks that Bacuna gives the team more in that position than Hutton.If it were neither of those two things, what else would there be that makes him a 'favourite'?