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Offline aj2k77

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #525 on: September 13, 2015, 06:38:14 PM »
You are kidding about the set pieces right? The percentage of goals scored from them are huge, we need to be better from them, we are shit at set pieces.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #526 on: September 13, 2015, 06:44:13 PM »
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/mar/260315-talking-tactics-adrian-clarke-on-set-piece-specialists.html

There you go - a whopping 3% of corners result in a goal. People just remember the goals, but not the millions of times good deliveries get easily cleared away. I doubt anything's changed dramatically since this was written in March to say that it's suddenly much more than 3%.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of a whinge though.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #527 on: September 13, 2015, 06:45:30 PM »
No, can't accept Westwood at all. Never have. He's tidy enough, but what does he actually do? Very rarely scores, doesn't pass incisively enough, has little pace.

A boring, run of the mill player who I can't believe was given a new contract. Crap.

Offline aj2k77

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #528 on: September 13, 2015, 06:47:22 PM »
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/mar/260315-talking-tactics-adrian-clarke-on-set-piece-specialists.html

There you go - a whopping 3% of corners result in a goal. People just remember the goals, but not the millions of times good deliveries get easily cleared away. I doubt anything's changed dramatically since this was written in March to say that it's suddenly much more than 3%.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of a whinge though.

I did say set pieces but nevermind. If you think they don't matter you must be Tim Sherwood.

Offline passitsideways

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #529 on: September 13, 2015, 06:50:34 PM »
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/mar/260315-talking-tactics-adrian-clarke-on-set-piece-specialists.html

There you go - a whopping 3% of corners result in a goal. People just remember the goals, but not the millions of times good deliveries get easily cleared away. I doubt anything's changed dramatically since this was written in March to say that it's suddenly much more than 3%.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of a whinge though.

I did say set pieces but nevermind. If you think they don't matter you must be Tim Sherwood.

Why would set pieces be substantially higher than corners? Some of them come from more dangerous areas; others don't.

I never said that they didn't matter outright. Just that the probability of scoring from them is low enough that it's not worth having an aneurysm when the delivery isn't great. We've already scored twice off them this season despite all that anyway - so why the fuck are we moaning about it?

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #530 on: September 13, 2015, 06:52:23 PM »
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/mar/260315-talking-tactics-adrian-clarke-on-set-piece-specialists.html

There you go - a whopping 3% of corners result in a goal. People just remember the goals, but not the millions of times good deliveries get easily cleared away. I doubt anything's changed dramatically since this was written in March to say that it's suddenly much more than 3%.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of a whinge though.

I did say set pieces but nevermind. If you think they don't matter you must be Tim Sherwood.

Why would set pieces be substantially higher than corners? Some of them come from more dangerous areas; others don't.

I never said that they didn't matter outright. Just that the probability of scoring from them is low enough that it's not worth having an aneurysm when the delivery isn't great. We've already scored twice off them this season despite all that anyway - so why the fuck are we moaning about it?

What's probability of scoring from a cross?
The proabability of scoring from a passed assist?

Both low as whole, should we stop passing and crossing as well? The percentage of goals from set pieces are between 20-30% for most decent teams, ours when I last looked was 8%. That's a huge part of the game that we are poor at and don't exploit.

Offline passitsideways

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #531 on: September 13, 2015, 07:00:30 PM »
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/mar/260315-talking-tactics-adrian-clarke-on-set-piece-specialists.html

There you go - a whopping 3% of corners result in a goal. People just remember the goals, but not the millions of times good deliveries get easily cleared away. I doubt anything's changed dramatically since this was written in March to say that it's suddenly much more than 3%.

Let's not allow facts to get in the way of a whinge though.

I did say set pieces but nevermind. If you think they don't matter you must be Tim Sherwood.

Why would set pieces be substantially higher than corners? Some of them come from more dangerous areas; others don't.

I never said that they didn't matter outright. Just that the probability of scoring from them is low enough that it's not worth having an aneurysm when the delivery isn't great. We've already scored twice off them this season despite all that anyway - so why the fuck are we moaning about it?

What's probability of scoring from a cross?
The proabability of scoring from a passed assist?

Both low as whole, should we stop passing and crossing as well? The percentage of goals from set pieces are between 20-30% for most decent teams, ours when I last looked was 8%. That's a huge part of the game that we are poor at and don't exploit.

I'm not even going to respond to your passing/crossing shite, it's completely fallacious.

Whoscored.com for last season has us scoring 10 of our 31 goals from set pieces, so I don't know what stats you're looking at. I suppose part of that is Benteke being there, but that's 30% for you. For reference, City has 12/83; Chelsea 15/73; Arsenal 16/71; United 12/62 - i.e. all lower, and understandably, because they're better at creating chances in open play.  Anyway, % of goals scored from set piece is a different stat to goals per set piece. We're arguing about the latter. Yes, Westwood's floaty stuff (which I bet he's being asked to do, because Grealish was curling them in for us at the end of last season) looks bad a lot, but we're simply not doing as shite as you want to make it out to be.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #532 on: September 13, 2015, 07:05:48 PM »
Westwood's set pieces are fuckin appalling and they always have been. Stats can be manipulated to make the worst of players look decent.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #533 on: September 13, 2015, 07:21:11 PM »
Well he can always use the Gabby defence for his set pieces.

"Just doing what the manager wants him to."

I don't like seeing them floated in the way they are, but surely if Sherwood wasn't happy he'd have someone else taking them.

It's not like he's short on alternatives.

Grealish and Gil definitely. Bacuna and Amavi possibly.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #534 on: September 13, 2015, 07:48:29 PM »
Gil can take a decent corner. God knows why we still leave them to have clueless muppet Westwood.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #535 on: September 13, 2015, 07:55:00 PM »
No, can't accept Westwood at all. Never have. He's tidy enough, but what does he actually do? Very rarely scores, doesn't pass incisively enough, has little pace.

A boring, run of the mill player who I can't believe was given a new contract. Crap.

this

tippy tappy sideways short balls, slows play up too much, no physical presence and doesnt put his foot in enough

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #536 on: September 13, 2015, 08:31:38 PM »
He was even shite in the 1st half today when we generally played well. Apart from him and Bacuna .

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #537 on: September 13, 2015, 08:36:26 PM »
He was even shite in the 1st half today when we generally played well. Apart from him and Bacuna .

Rubbish. Total, reactionary nonsense.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #538 on: September 13, 2015, 08:40:16 PM »
He was even shite in the 1st half today when we generally played well. Apart from him and Bacuna .

Rubbish. Total, reactionary nonsense.
Suggest you watch it again, dispossessed numerous times, muscled out of the ball, playing nothing incisive whatsoever. And crap corner after crap corner.

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Re: Ashley Westwood
« Reply #539 on: September 13, 2015, 08:55:26 PM »
I have to agree with Silhil I'm afraid.  He's now one of our more experienced players, but when we're under the cosh a bit he offers nothing. 

 


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