Who Do You Blame/Who Are You Angry With?

[Witton Warrior]

It is Randy who has appointed all these people (excpet MON) and seems to know nowt about football so he takes the rap.
That said I have never thought he had anything but the best intentions for us; he allowed money to be spent unwisely on ordinary players with little resale value (or skill!). His adviser/s are very poor (looking at you Mr Faulkner). The suggested offer of £10m to keep us in the Premiership is laughable, but understandable.

[Matt Collins]

I wasn't convinced by Vlaar earlier in the season. But, we're missing his presence. Herd and Clark aren't very physical. Herd thinks he's a big hard bastard. But he's clearly not.

Vlaars leadership is being missed, Clark is a poor captain and leader and too often we are too disorganised, I would like to have seen Vlaar alongside Clark and baker as it may have been much more solid than Vlaar and Clark in a flat back 4.

If we did revert to a back 4 I would go with Vlaar and baker and push Clark into a defensive midfield role alongside Westwood with bannan more advanced.

Clark's probably played less than 30 games as a centre back in the first team. Asking him to organise an entire back five is a bit much

[rutski]

I spoke to Mr.Ellis at Hannover and thanked him for getting O'Neill to join us.

I also got O'Neill's autograph on three programmes for that game, having called him 'David'. On the third David, he said 'who the fuck's David?' I said 'you are'. It was a combination of a bier festival in the town and the O' bit in the name that he shared with David O'Leary.

How I regret the moment that I thanked Mr.Ellis for that appointment, although he was only doing what we all thought was right at the time.

doug ellis getting the credit for o neill coming here is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard. i was tipped off by a mate of john robertsons about 6 weeks before the appointment that o neill was in ohio discussing the strategy when randy took over. he would never have come if ellis was chairman.

[bertlambshank]

I spoke to Mr.Ellis at Hannover and thanked him for getting O'Neill to join us.

I also got O'Neill's autograph on three programmes for that game, having called him 'David'. On the third David, he said 'who the fuck's David?' I said 'you are'. It was a combination of a bier festival in the town and the O' bit in the name that he shared with David O'Leary.

How I regret the moment that I thanked Mr.Ellis for that appointment, although he was only doing what we all thought was right at the time.

doug ellis getting the credit for o neill coming here is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard. i was tipped off by a mate of john robertsons about 6 weeks before the appointment that o neill was in ohio discussing the strategy when randy took over. he would never have come if ellis was chairman.

Well it is the pantomine season.

[Dave Clark Five]

I spoke to Mr.Ellis at Hannover and thanked him for getting O'Neill to join us.

I also got O'Neill's autograph on three programmes for that game, having called him 'David'. On the third David, he said 'who the fuck's David?' I said 'you are'. It was a combination of a bier festival in the town and the O' bit in the name that he shared with David O'Leary.

How I regret the moment that I thanked Mr.Ellis for that appointment, although he was only doing what we all thought was right at the time.

doug ellis getting the credit for o neill coming here is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard. i was tipped off by a mate of john robertsons about 6 weeks before the appointment that o neill was in ohio discussing the strategy when randy took over. he would never have come if ellis was chairman.

Where were you when I advised you that O'Neill was about to go? Shall we dredge that up?
Why did O'Neill really go? You must know all this. Don't keep it to yourself.

[Risso]

Oh no, not this old chestnut again.

1. Anyone can "claim" money for whatever they want, it doesn't make the claim valid.

2. The club and MON reached a settlement. Nobody "won" or "lost" anything.

You'll have to explain to me how someone who walks out of their job and yet successfully claims for compensation from their employer hasn't won.

Because we don't know what he was claiming and don't know what we were offering. We also don't know what the contractual situation was. In the end it was settled by the two parties.

According to somebody in the know, they settled at roughly halfway between what Lerner wanted to pay (£0) and what O'Neill was claiming (£3m).

[Risso]

I spoke to Mr.Ellis at Hannover and thanked him for getting O'Neill to join us.

I also got O'Neill's autograph on three programmes for that game, having called him 'David'. On the third David, he said 'who the fuck's David?' I said 'you are'. It was a combination of a bier festival in the town and the O' bit in the name that he shared with David O'Leary.

How I regret the moment that I thanked Mr.Ellis for that appointment, although he was only doing what we all thought was right at the time.

doug ellis getting the credit for o neill coming here is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard. i was tipped off by a mate of john robertsons about 6 weeks before the appointment that o neill was in ohio discussing the strategy when randy took over. he would never have come if ellis was chairman.

Where were you when I advised you that O'Neill was about to go? Shall we dredge that up?
Why did O'Neill really go? You must know all this. Don't keep it to yourself.

Isn't it fairly well accepted that Ellis identified O'Neill for Lerner, and that O'Neill agreed to become manager once he knew the takeover was nailed on?  Which doesn't contradict DCF's account of things at all.  Lerner's idea for manager was Klinsmann wasn't it?

[dave.woodhall]

I spoke to Mr.Ellis at Hannover and thanked him for getting O'Neill to join us.

I also got O'Neill's autograph on three programmes for that game, having called him 'David'. On the third David, he said 'who the fuck's David?' I said 'you are'. It was a combination of a bier festival in the town and the O' bit in the name that he shared with David O'Leary.

How I regret the moment that I thanked Mr.Ellis for that appointment, although he was only doing what we all thought was right at the time.

doug ellis getting the credit for o neill coming here is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard. i was tipped off by a mate of john robertsons about 6 weeks before the appointment that o neill was in ohio discussing the strategy when randy took over. he would never have come if ellis was chairman.

Where were you when I advised you that O'Neill was about to go? Shall we dredge that up?
Why did O'Neill really go? You must know all this. Don't keep it to yourself.

Isn't it fairly well accepted that Ellis identified O'Neill for Lerner, and that O'Neill agreed to become manager once he knew the takeover was nailed on?  Which doesn't contradict DCF's account of things at all.  Lerner's idea for manager was Klinsmann wasn't it?

Until Messs. Fear and Nazir advised him otherwise.

[damon loves JT]

I blame myself for caring. It's a bloody disease. I worry about Villa more than I worry about how my kids are doing at school, or whether my wife is happy, or about the quality of my work or the state of my pension or my health or the ozone layer.

If I could press a button that stopped me supporting Aston Villa I would probably do it.

[damon loves JT]

Probably.

[PeterWithesShin]

I blame Evil Edna. And the Soup Dragon.

[Dave Clark Five]

Probably.

Never going again, ever, ever, well maybe...

[Villadroid]

I blame myself for caring. It's a bloody disease. I worry about Villa more than I worry about how my kids are doing at school, or whether my wife is happy, or about the quality of my work or the state of my pension or my health or the ozone layer.

If I could press a button that stopped me supporting Aston Villa I would probably do it.

It is impossible to make a well reasoned case as to why anyone should be a football supporter.

It is anachronistic, and politically, morally and existentially, very dubious, to say the least.

The surrender of the individual's moral agency, the worship of money, no matter its source, and the game's link with totalitarianism, all add up to a very toxic set of values, which bear no relationship to the morality of those who started the clubs and founded the league.

Once you start adding in the fact that something so shallow and morally dubious is allowed to determine an individual's psychological well-being, which amounts to a state of self-inflicted emotional autism, there seems no justification to take up such an idiotic pastime.

But it probably amounts to a kind of destructive co-dependence, which is well-known to be almost impossible to escape from.

So I understand your problem.

[Boz]

Sir Alex for recommending McLeish.

[eastie]

"It is anachronistic, and politically, morally and existentially, very dubious, to say the least."

The surrender of the individual's moral agency, the worship of money, no matter its source, and the game's link with totalitarianism, all add up to a very toxic set of values, which bear no relationship to the morality of those who started the clubs and founded the league."




Just what i was thinking-  Took the words right out of my mouth!