Lambert Out?

[not3bad]

I saw more football being played against Swansea than the whole of last season. I have faith in this man he has seen the same failings as us, ie Collins Warnock Hutton Given.

Amazed you would bracket given along with those other 3 wasters.

Good point.  Given will be lining up for Villa in the League cup next week and there's a fair chance we'll see him in the Premier League again..

[Clampy]

There's nothing wrong with Given's attitude but apart from some very good and important saves last season, i think the general consensus was that he was'nt as good as we all thought he was going to be.

[eastie]

There's nothing wrong with Given's attitude but apart from some very good and important saves last season, i think the general consensus was that he was'nt as good as we all thought he was going to be.

I have no worries about either given or Guzan in goal for us- both are decent enough.

[Risso]

Are you suggesting that Lambert is worse than McLeish?

Yes, if he takes us down.

You must be joking! I know "football's a results game blah, blah, blah", but there are worlds between TSM and Lambert! I would stick with him, in the Championship... Although I don't believe we'll be going down.

IF he takes us down after 38 games, then we can judge, but under what circumatsances is relegation EVER alright?  Tony Mowbray got dog's abuse from everybody on here for trying to play nice football, but ultimately taking the Boggies down.  Yet it will be OK if Lambert does it?   If we go down, it will be because Lambert wasn't good enough to keep us up.  If he keeps us up, even if it's on goal difference, then fair enough, but relegation? 

[Concrete John]

My backing for Lambert is not due to playing better football, as my own preference has always been results over style.  But what he is doing is what needed to be done, which is revitalise the squad and do something with a long term plan.  Basically, try to find a way back to the top 6 that doesn't involve buying your way there.

[tomd2103]

There's nothing wrong with Given's attitude but apart from some very good and important saves last season, i think the general consensus was that he was'nt as good as we all thought he was going to be.

Or maybe that injuries have taken their toll and he may not be as good as he once was.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave the club in January if Guzan's decent form continues.  I don't think we are in a position where we can afford to pay a goalkeeper over £60,000 a week to sit on the bench.   

[DB]

8 games and we have a Lambert out thread....

[German James]

8 games and we have a Lambert out thread....

Precisely. Ridiculous.

[Legion]

In mitigation it does have a question mark.

[tomd2103]

And the original post was pouring scorn on such calls.

[DB]

Still, we have it though.

[rob_bridge]

We have been on the decline for 2.5 years. We declined towards the end of MON's reign which was only being propped up by huge over spending on wages. Then we replaced him with an awful backward looking appointment + sidekick which was never ever going to work and then we managed to usurp that appointment with an even worse one. Aside from Billy McDuff the worst ever Villa Manager
In 2 seasons we lost 21% of previous season's points as at end 2010-11 and then another 17% by end of 2011-12 season (compared to 2009-10).
This against a backdrop of reducing the over inflated wage bill, losing some of our best players and replacing them with ones who are generally overpaid/overrated/over-the hill and don't give a shit or are new to Premiership (from abroad or lower league) where time will tell if they are good enough.
Whoever took this job was going to struggle.

[oldtimernow]

I don't think that we were ever going to be able to prevent those best players from leaving as they saw their futures elsewhere, as have others in the past.A mixture of money, promises and blatant poaching has always stripped us of our best talent so there's always an element of going back to the drawing board.
Managers have come and spent on their projects and have generally been found wanting.

The least we can do with the current guy is give him our support and let him get on with it, like the economy we might just be coming out with some green shoots after a long period of recession caused by other's policies 

[Risso]

8 games and we have a Lambert out thread....

Try reading the original post.  Nobody has called for Lambert to be sacked at all.

[villa `cross the mersey]

We have been on the decline for 2.5 years. We declined towards the end of MON's reign which was only being propped up by huge over spending on wages. Then we replaced him with an awful backward looking appointment + sidekick which was never ever going to work and then we managed to usurp that appointment with an even worse one. Aside from Billy McDuff the worst ever Villa Manager
In 2 seasons we lost 21% of previous season's points as at end 2010-11 and then another 17% by end of 2011-12 season (compared to 2009-10).
This against a backdrop of reducing the over inflated wage bill, losing some of our best players and replacing them with ones who are generally overpaid/overrated/over-the hill and don't give a shit or are new to Premiership (from abroad or lower league) where time will tell if they are good enough.
Whoever took this job was going to struggle.

..................signed P.Lambert