January Transfer Thread: Speculation, Lies, Absolute Cr*p and Bosman Rumours

[eastie]

I Fancy Randy has pulled the rug,Just waiting for Lambert to fall.

So do I , defeat today I think would see lambert go and di Matteo in , If that were the case I could see why randy hasn't given lambert money but would expect any new manager to be given funds to get us out of this mess.

No no no for lots of reasons. Lambert is here to stay even if we get relegated. RDM is shit. If Randy sacks Lambert he is in to £6m compensation claim. There will definitely be no money for the new coach.

Why is lambert here to stay even if relegated? If randy feels he's made a mistake I'm sure he would act to protect his investment.

What's to say having seen rdm take over a Chelsea team that had lost its way and go on to win two major trophies that randy may think rdm could turn this club around - we don't know what randy is or isn't thinking?

I am not saying I think rdm would be a better option but randy might possible believe so.

Relegation if it happened would cost many times more than £6m  compensation - I'm sure if randy feels that's the route to take would rather pay the compensation than be relegated.

None of know what's going on but we do know randy is not short of cash, can you offer an explanation as to why it appears he will not back lambert financially, because other having doubts whether he is the right man I see no reason why he is not backing him?

I hope we win today and that randy does back lambert with cash to avert relegation , but I'm far from sure things will pan out that way.

[django]

I can see why Lerner might be reluctant to throw money at players and try and sign our way out of trouble. If you knew nothing about football apart from the money you had paid/were paying for players like, Hutton, Warnock, N'zogbia, Given, Bent, Harewood, Ireland, Heskey, Makoun etc. and how their signings had been no guarantee of improving the team but had lost an incredible ammount of money.

Then looking at more recent signings you saw that by signing a load of players from lower/cheaper leagues, the league position is only slightly worse but if anything you have added to their value.

If that's your experience of 'running' the club, and the manager then approached you asking to sign a Scott Parker/Danny Murphy player with the right sort of experience and leadership that we need, but demanding big wages and at an age where you could write off any transfer fee, you can see how he might be reluctant.

It's frustrating because I think even with one signing in that mould and you'd be a lot more confident that we could stay up.

Whatever happens we really need to get a win today to give us a bit of hope.

[eastie]

As I said earlier any players bought now would surely still have a resale value if we were relegated , so it's not as if its dead money  that cant be recouped, also relegation clauses could be put in if necessary - the club must bring players in to help get us out of trouble .

[onje_villa]

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-can-forget-851350

Pretty blunt from PL there ..not expecting much to happen now.Loans perhaps best option

Depressing read that.

"We'll try and do something", "We're trying" "It's not easy"

Just in case we were in danger of getting carried away with excitement...

[Greg N'Ash]

Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go  with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

[Duncan Shaw]

I've just read Lambert's quotes in the article in the telegraph and I am now pretty sure we are not going to be buying the experienced leader we need in the middle of the park, even if he wants it.  Either that or he playing a fantastic game of poker!  I don't know what to think, can understand everyone's point of view on here and the truth, as ever will come out and lie somewhere in the middle of it all.  The likes of Sissoko at 3.5 million euros would seem an an obvious choice and we may well be in the mix negotiating for him, who knows?  What concerns me is that Lambert has a less enthusiastic air about him than six months ago, one that you could perhaps describe as a dead man walking? 

I really believe in him and what he is trying to do, even after the last month, but I think he is finding it harder than he thought, due to injuries to the few experienced players we have, and he maybe expected that he'd get support to deviate from the path temporarily this window to get us through the sticky patch.  That support has not materialised, hence his demeanour.

[onje_villa]

I know Lambert is a dour sort of fellow by nature, but telling Villa fans they're living in 'Dreamland' when it comes to buying decent players isn't exactly a great way of pulling back the missing thousands is it? Still, he seems to be powerless to change it as Lerner fumbles around without a clue to be found.

Agreed. It stinks of trying to lower expectations which is equally, if not more painful than the performances themselves.

[mr woo]

I suppose it depends which side of the fence you sit on, but I did feel there were some positives to be taken from Lamberts quotes.

He recognises what we've all been saying and has identified the problem positions. He said we ARE looking to bring a couple of players in to address those areas.

The article in the mail suggests we could go for Diame from Wet Spam by activating a 3.5m contract clause. Who would stand up here now and say that wouldn't be a good purchase?

And so what if Lambert has admitted we're unable to afford the kind of wages Parker and Lescott are on? Any sensible Villa fan could've told you that anyway.

As angry as I was on Tuesday night, I'm going to curb my critism of the three stooges - PL, RL and PF- for now and get behind the team. It's perfectly possible things will look a whole lot rosier by February 1st.

[eastie]

According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

[JUAN PABLO]

According to today's mail sissoko looks to be slipping away-

Sunderland boss Martin O'Neill is close to signing French star Moussa Sissoko, 23, in a £3.5million deal.
The midfielder is being made available by his club Toulouse as his contract is up in the summer and they don't want to miss out on a fee.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2261075/Sunderland-close-Moussa-Sissoko-Newcastle-target-Jores-Okore.html#ixzz2Hl9938mN

now thats depressing

[onje_villa]

Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go  with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Was just about to post something similar.

Or 7. We're broke and will never again be able to buy anyone halfway decent (I hope not)

I wonder if we're doing them all a massive disservice and it's really a case of Lambert and Lerner sticking to a plan and they just have more balls than us and they're going to get the plane to rise up just in time to avoid the huge fucking mountain that is relegation.

[django]

Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go  with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Mainly 6 leading to a bit of 2, possibly elements of a bit of 3.

[Irish villain]

The saddest thing about this whole situation is that we now accept that all we want to do is stave off relegation.
Fuck me, that's depressing.

Since August 2010, whenever it has looked as though we have turned the corner, something has always been lurking just around the corner to make the whole thing go tits up again.  There is no sense of leadership at villa, certainly no sense of hunger and ambition and a sense of abolsute dread whenever we have a game.

We all thought the corner had been turned at Anfield but less than a month later it is now worse than at any stage since the decline set in.

[Greg N'Ash]

Way i see it, there's definately something going on with Lerner and Lambert. Trouble is, all the options require a certain degree of insanity from one or more of them. Either:

1. Lambert is happy to go  with no major signings and its his decision as he's stated (Nurse!)

2. Lambert isn't very happy but he's got no choice as the fuckwitted duo of Lerner and Faulkner are convinced this squad will stay up without re-inforcements (this is my best guess)

3. Lerner is willing to spend money but not with Lambert and is hoping results will provide him with the ammunition to dump him. (plausible i guess - whatever the opinion of the chairman, results will always turn the fans against the manager eventually)

4. Lerner knows we're probably going down but doesn't really care about the fortune it will cost him as long as doesn't have to spend 10m this January. (buh!?)

5. Its an elaborate smokescreen to convince every club we're broke. Obviously that evaporates the second we put a bid in for someone - (what's the point?)

6. They just don't know what they're doing. (Ding! ding! ding!)

Was just about to post something similar.

Or 7. We're broke and will never again be able to buy anyone halfway decent (I hope not)

I wonder if we're doing them all a massive disservice and it's really a case of Lambert and Lerner sticking to a plan and they just have more balls than us and they're going to get the plane to rise up just in time to avoid the huge fucking mountain that is relegation.

As somone said last night if Lambert keeps us up with the present squad  it would be miraculous so they would have to have balls of steel. I guess with players coming back from injury we could rally before its too late but its a hell of a punt.

[eastie]

Not only that Greg but we are only 2 games away from winning a cup and qualifying for Europe - now that would be something!