Racism in football - The Guardian

[Ad@m]

This whole thread is great read and proves that Omid Djalili is a c unt.
I just hate his fucking shouty Arab stereotype 'act' !
The 'act' that just happens to be portrayed in every advert the tosser does.
Should this be in a different thread  ?     

I actually find Omid Djalili quite funny, but then I've always interpreted his jokes as mocking the stereotypes rather than mocking the people they reference.  After all, virtually every joke he does is about some sort of stereotype and the majority of them are non-Arab stereotypes.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

The best denouncement of racism ever, was when Russell Brand had this to say over the Jade Goody/Big Brother incident a few years ago.

“Oooh! There’s been some bad racism and stuff going down today, and no mistake, my liege. It’s made Mr. Winky go right small it has. Oh yes it has, oh yeah. And my ballbag, my old ballbag, has only gone up my bum. Here’s H from Steps.”

Thanks to Stewart Lee.

[tomd2103]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

[pauliewalnuts]

This whole thread is great read and proves that Omid Djalili is a c unt.
I just hate his fucking shouty Arab stereotype 'act' !
The 'act' that just happens to be portrayed in every advert the tosser does.
Should this be in a different thread  ?     

I actually find Omid Djalili quite funny, but then I've always interpreted his jokes as mocking the stereotypes rather than mocking the people they reference.  After all, virtually every joke he does is about some sort of stereotype and the majority of them are non-Arab stereotypes.

He's entertaining enough, and I don't find his arab impression voice thing racist, but I do get irritated by the fact he wheels it out every ten minutes.

[Ger Regan]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

[Stu]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

It was the white man's burden.

[LeeB]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

Oh come on now, it's not like we invented concentration camps or anything.

[tomd2103]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

No, not at all, but I just felt Peter was discounting the fact that a lot of our riches were also gained by developing the best means of using the natural resources found on our own shores.  I also think it is unfair that we are in Britain are constantly hammered about the Empire, when other countries very rarely have the finger pointed at them (Belguim's actions in the Congo spring to mind).  Why should we feel guilty about events that happened way before most of us were born and that we had no active role in?  Yes we should be aware of what happened, but it is this whole guilt trip that I don't get.

[tomd2103]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

Oh come on now, it's not like we invented concentration camps or anything.

Another myth I'm afraid.  Such "camps" had been used before the British implemented them in South Africa.   

I would like to point out that I don't support the idea of Empire and am aware that the British were responsible for some terrible incidents that occurred in the colonies.

[Stu]

I think its only in 'white' countries where you can have this debate. Not only have we got most of our riches based on a racist history but our advancement in terms of society means that we can question racism on the level that we do. We beat ourselves up about it more than we set about dealing with it.

In Nigeria the term for a white person is 'oyinbo' and is used by every Nigerian for any white person. It just means 'white person'. You couldn't say,'black person' over here when talking about them or to them. But Nigeria doesn't have a history of subjugating white people so there's an innocence in the term and I've never met anyone who has taken offence at the term.

Not sure that is a particularly fair comment Peter. 

What, Britain bucked the trend in being a cuddly and loving empire builder, rather than all the other nasty ones?

Oh come on now, it's not like we invented concentration camps or anything.

Actually, to be fair, the British didn't - it was the Spanish in the Caribbean circa 16th century.

[Stu]

No, not at all, but I just felt Peter was discounting the fact that a lot of our riches were also gained by developing the best means of using the natural resources found on our own shores.  I also think it is unfair that we are in Britain are constantly hammered about the Empire, when other countries very rarely have the finger pointed at them (Belguim's actions in the Congo spring to mind).  Why should we feel guilty about events that happened way before most of us were born and that we had no active role in?  Yes we should be aware of what happened, but it is this whole guilt trip that I don't get.

The Industrial Revolution spurred the empire on certainly, but what made Britain rich in the first place was the triangular slave trade.

[tomd2103]

No, not at all, but I just felt Peter was discounting the fact that a lot of our riches were also gained by developing the best means of using the natural resources found on our own shores.  I also think it is unfair that we are in Britain are constantly hammered about the Empire, when other countries very rarely have the finger pointed at them (Belguim's actions in the Congo spring to mind).  Why should we feel guilty about events that happened way before most of us were born and that we had no active role in?  Yes we should be aware of what happened, but it is this whole guilt trip that I don't get.

The Industrial Revolution spurred the empire on certainly, but what made Britain rich in the first place was the triangular slave trade.

Point taken Stu.  It is just that I find the well-aired notion that Britain became a powerful nation only by exploiting other countries a little unfair.

[Stu]

No, not at all, but I just felt Peter was discounting the fact that a lot of our riches were also gained by developing the best means of using the natural resources found on our own shores.  I also think it is unfair that we are in Britain are constantly hammered about the Empire, when other countries very rarely have the finger pointed at them (Belguim's actions in the Congo spring to mind).  Why should we feel guilty about events that happened way before most of us were born and that we had no active role in?  Yes we should be aware of what happened, but it is this whole guilt trip that I don't get.

The Industrial Revolution spurred the empire on certainly, but what made Britain rich in the first place was the triangular slave trade.

Point taken Stu.  It is just that I find the well-aired notion that Britain became a powerful nation only by exploiting other countries a little unfair.

Well it's not that far wide of the mark really. Look at how Britain practised the divide and rule strategy in India, the colonisation of Australia, USA and Canada, all to the detriment of the native peoples in order to stay one step ahead of her rivals. Closer to home, look at the plantation in Ireland, the taxes placed upon the people there by the middlemen representing absentee landlords, and even on the home shores the enclosure acts that turned people into wage labourers to be picked up and dropped whenever it was deemed necessary. It was pretty much entirely exploitative - if it wasn't the natives in India/Caribbean working the fields to export spices/sugar/whatever to Britain, then it was the underclass at home, working in the mines and having their fingers ripped off in industrial loom machines.

Having said all that, if Britain hadn't have been active in empire building, then it's likely that we'd be speaking French or Spanish now. It really was sink or swim from the 16th century onwards.

[andyh]

thats all well and good but, Omid Djalili is still a c unt 

[Wilfred the Hairy]

Having said all that, if Britain hadn't have been active in empire building, then it's likely that we'd be speaking French or Spanish now. It really was sink or swim from the 16th century onwards.

What have you got against Romance languages?