Quote from: nigel on June 22, 2012, 09:56:41 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:43:35 PMListen carefully, while I explain it AGAIN:Nobody knows the definitive reason why Villa play in claret and blue. It isn't because William McGregor and his wife supported Rangers and Hearts respectively; both were comparatively minor teams then and he had no interest in football until he moved to Birmingham. Neither is it because Villa copied the interior design of the Barton's - it wasn't built until 1904. Two more realistic theories have been put forward, the first by former programme editor and author Bernard Gallagher who during the course of his research discovered that Villa inside forward Ollie Wheatley, who was a graphic designer, was commissioned to design a kit. This might tie in with the second theory, by Simon Inglis. At this time many of the larger houses in Birmingham would have had Minton tiles, and the most common design of these were in claret (or chocolate) and blue. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Wheatley saw this somewhere and copied it.Were there such people as graphic designers in 1886/7? Commercial artist, as it was then known.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:43:35 PMListen carefully, while I explain it AGAIN:Nobody knows the definitive reason why Villa play in claret and blue. It isn't because William McGregor and his wife supported Rangers and Hearts respectively; both were comparatively minor teams then and he had no interest in football until he moved to Birmingham. Neither is it because Villa copied the interior design of the Barton's - it wasn't built until 1904. Two more realistic theories have been put forward, the first by former programme editor and author Bernard Gallagher who during the course of his research discovered that Villa inside forward Ollie Wheatley, who was a graphic designer, was commissioned to design a kit. This might tie in with the second theory, by Simon Inglis. At this time many of the larger houses in Birmingham would have had Minton tiles, and the most common design of these were in claret (or chocolate) and blue. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Wheatley saw this somewhere and copied it.Were there such people as graphic designers in 1886/7?
Listen carefully, while I explain it AGAIN:Nobody knows the definitive reason why Villa play in claret and blue. It isn't because William McGregor and his wife supported Rangers and Hearts respectively; both were comparatively minor teams then and he had no interest in football until he moved to Birmingham. Neither is it because Villa copied the interior design of the Barton's - it wasn't built until 1904. Two more realistic theories have been put forward, the first by former programme editor and author Bernard Gallagher who during the course of his research discovered that Villa inside forward Ollie Wheatley, who was a graphic designer, was commissioned to design a kit. This might tie in with the second theory, by Simon Inglis. At this time many of the larger houses in Birmingham would have had Minton tiles, and the most common design of these were in claret (or chocolate) and blue. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Wheatley saw this somewhere and copied it.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:58:18 PMQuote from: nigel on June 22, 2012, 09:56:41 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:43:35 PMListen carefully, while I explain it AGAIN:Nobody knows the definitive reason why Villa play in claret and blue. It isn't because William McGregor and his wife supported Rangers and Hearts respectively; both were comparatively minor teams then and he had no interest in football until he moved to Birmingham. Neither is it because Villa copied the interior design of the Barton's - it wasn't built until 1904. Two more realistic theories have been put forward, the first by former programme editor and author Bernard Gallagher who during the course of his research discovered that Villa inside forward Ollie Wheatley, who was a graphic designer, was commissioned to design a kit. This might tie in with the second theory, by Simon Inglis. At this time many of the larger houses in Birmingham would have had Minton tiles, and the most common design of these were in claret (or chocolate) and blue. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Wheatley saw this somewhere and copied it.Were there such people as graphic designers in 1886/7? Commercial artist, as it was then known. I believe they were also known as "confirmed bachelors" and/or "musical theatre enthusiasts".
Quote from: villan1975 on June 23, 2012, 12:56:39 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:58:18 PMQuote from: nigel on June 22, 2012, 09:56:41 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on June 22, 2012, 09:43:35 PMListen carefully, while I explain it AGAIN:Nobody knows the definitive reason why Villa play in claret and blue. It isn't because William McGregor and his wife supported Rangers and Hearts respectively; both were comparatively minor teams then and he had no interest in football until he moved to Birmingham. Neither is it because Villa copied the interior design of the Barton's - it wasn't built until 1904. Two more realistic theories have been put forward, the first by former programme editor and author Bernard Gallagher who during the course of his research discovered that Villa inside forward Ollie Wheatley, who was a graphic designer, was commissioned to design a kit. This might tie in with the second theory, by Simon Inglis. At this time many of the larger houses in Birmingham would have had Minton tiles, and the most common design of these were in claret (or chocolate) and blue. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Wheatley saw this somewhere and copied it.Were there such people as graphic designers in 1886/7? Commercial artist, as it was then known. I believe they were also known as "confirmed bachelors" and/or "musical theatre enthusiasts".So - Villa were costumed by Gilbert & Sullivan.
The theory that other clubs copied us because we were quality at the time makes sense to me. After all, Leeds wear all white because they wanted to look like Real Madrid.
I'm sticking with Claret & Pale Blue for the club colours then which has been the belief for many generations of our Villa family. Only recently have I been told we play in Sky Blue. Maybe Mr Woodhall can shed some light or express his belief.
Quote from: Rob92 on June 23, 2012, 02:11:19 AMThe theory that other clubs copied us because we were quality at the time makes sense to me. After all, Leeds wear all white because they wanted to look like Real Madrid.I seem to remember reading in what looked like a reliable source that this was precisely why Burnley went for claret and blue.
Quote from: lordmcgrath5 on June 23, 2012, 08:42:14 AMQuote from: Rob92 on June 23, 2012, 02:11:19 AMThe theory that other clubs copied us because we were quality at the time makes sense to me. After all, Leeds wear all white because they wanted to look like Real Madrid.I seem to remember reading in what looked like a reliable source that this was precisely why Burnley went for claret and blue. I have no idea why Scunthorpe, Tranmere, and Man City to a degree copied the colours but it must have something to do with us. If not directly they may have simply been because they liked the colours - and as we were the first we'll claim that.
Quote from: Rob92 on June 23, 2012, 02:11:19 AMThe theory that other clubs copied us because we were quality at the time makes sense to me. After all, Leeds wear all white because they wanted to look like Real Madrid.And Juventus play in Black and White stripes to look like...............errr........... Notts County I do know the origins of why, before I'm picked up on it.
Quote from: nigel on June 23, 2012, 09:05:46 AMQuote from: Rob92 on June 23, 2012, 02:11:19 AMThe theory that other clubs copied us because we were quality at the time makes sense to me. After all, Leeds wear all white because they wanted to look like Real Madrid.And Juventus play in Black and White stripes to look like...............errr........... Notts County I do know the origins of why, before I'm picked up on it.the other story that you're alluding to is actually a myth.Turin in Italian - torino - is a loose translation of City of Magpies (well just place of magpies) because akin to pigeons being synonomus with Trafalgar Square and Ravens and Tower of London. magpies frquented the area and so the name stuck. So, when the football team - from the City of Magpies - were looking for colours (ORIGINALLY) they opted for a team nicknamed 'The Magpies'. Newcastle it was as it were they that were one of the biggest clubs around and of course Notts County. There was a general call (cull get it?) for a while to adopt black and white stripes in line with 'magpies' but the club didn't do so initially. but the pink wasn't liked and the rest, as they say, is history.
It was Notts County (not Newcastle) that Juventus invited over to Turin last season to open their new ground – in recognition of Juve's first black and white striped kit being shipped over from Nottingham in 1903. Until then they wore pink.