collapse collapse

Please donate to help towards the costs of keeping this site going. Thank You.

Recent Topics

Follow us on...

Author Topic: Who should we sell?  (Read 36904 times)

Offline NiiLamptey

  • Member
  • Posts: 231
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2012, 12:27:38 PM »
Taken from: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics.html

Out of Contract end of this year:

Heskey - Marshall (didnt realise he was 37 should go) - Cuellar - Guzan

only 1 season left:

Warnock - Dunne - Collins - Lichaj

2 season left

Bent - Hutton - Gabby - Delph - Edna Stevens

Offline mikeb1982

  • Member
  • Posts: 594
  • Location: Kiddy
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2012, 12:32:33 PM »
I think the confidence that a new manager will bring will rejuvenate a lot of the underperfomers. 

Also to those who are having a go at young players, remember how hard this season has been, how much pressure they've been under, how negatively they've been told to play, and how they've only had one full season. 

Mike, we said exactly the same about the underperformers last summer and they have been even worse this season.  The fact that the majority of them are the top earners at the club, means they have to be moved on if we are going to move forward.

I think many Villa fans are going to have to face the fact that many of "the kids" just aren't going to make it at the club.  Yes, one or two will go on to become regulars at Villa Park, but the majority won't be good enough to take us where we want to be.  The sooner everyone realises this fact (including the heirarchy of the club) the better shape we will be in.

I agree with all of that, I just think we need to take into account just how shit this season has been and the effect that has on the players.  It's been awful watching it, so it can't have been fun playing in it.  Yes, we need to reduce the wage bill, and we already have with Carlos and Heskey (that's got to be £80-90k a week gone), I'm sure there will be more to follow, I just think a fire sale is the wrong approach when they are players that need replacing.  Let's see who our manager is, and what clout that gives us in the transfer market first.  If the board continues in it's current vein of efficiancy, that will be quite soon.

As for the kids, I'm sure a few will fall by the wayside, but they deserve another year with a progressive manager to really see what they can do

Offline King of the Nørth

  • Member
  • Posts: 188
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2012, 12:36:05 PM »
Taken from: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics.html

Out of Contract end of this year:

Heskey - Marshall (didnt realise he was 37 should go) - Cuellar - Guzan

only 1 season left:

Warnock - Dunne - Collins - Lichaj

2 season left

Bent - Hutton - Gabby - Delph - Edna Stevens


All the more reason to get rid of at least 2/3 of Warnock, Dunne & Collins. Get them of our wage bill and get some money for them while we can. How long are we stuck with Ireland for then?

 PS I would keep Gabby but only as a supersub. If he's Villa through and through like he says he is then he wont mind taking a seat on the bench until he finds some consistent form.

Offline Hookeysmith

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13322
  • Age: 61
  • Location: One hand on the handle of the mad / sane door
  • GM : 06.02.2026
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2012, 12:40:07 PM »
I would like to think we would have at least 2 players for every position (3 in the case of GK etc)

But with what we have i would like to see our squad as such

GK x 2

Given (although some stunning saves he also is culpable for some awful in the box defending)
Seigrist (sp) time for him to step up as no 2

RB x 2

Lihaj - 1st choice
Herd

LB x 2

New recruit
Stevens

CB's x 4

Baker
Clarke
Dunne
New recruit

LM x 2

N'Zogbia
A.Nother

RM x 2
Albrighton
A.Nother

CM's x 4
Ireland
Makoun
Gardener
A.Nother - a real "get stuck in" type

Strikers x 2

Bent
Weinmann

Even through the carnage of Eck and the losing of some experienced players - that squad is still better than the position they ended up in




Offline Concrete John

  • Member
  • Posts: 15175
  • Location: Flying blind on a rocket cycle
  • GM : Mar, 2014
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2012, 12:41:34 PM »
Although these things are best left until the new manager gets here, we should be offering Lichaj a new contract.

And talks need to be opened with Bent sometime during next season.

Offline Concrete John

  • Member
  • Posts: 15175
  • Location: Flying blind on a rocket cycle
  • GM : Mar, 2014
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2012, 12:44:38 PM »
Why do people keep mentioning Herd as a right back?  He's a midfielder that has just filled in there a couple of times!

Offline King of the Nørth

  • Member
  • Posts: 188
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2012, 12:48:08 PM »

 If I were Bent I'd ride out this season to see how much we improve before commit to anything further.

 Oh and doesnt Nzobia like drifting in from the RW as apposed to everyone assuming he's a LW (think Martinez may have mentioned it)? We should be looking for LW as we clearly dont have anyone who can fill that role.

Offline Hookeysmith

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13322
  • Age: 61
  • Location: One hand on the handle of the mad / sane door
  • GM : 06.02.2026
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2012, 12:58:27 PM »
Why do people keep mentioning Herd as a right back?  He's a midfielder that has just filled in there a couple of times!

And was MOTM in at least one of those games at RB

Offline Salsa Party Animal

  • Member
  • Posts: 2144
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Trinity Road Lower Stand or Dance-floor or Bedroom.
    • http://www.youtube.com/user/Salsapartyanimal
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #98 on: May 15, 2012, 01:05:13 PM »
I think we should sell most of players but keep home grown/ young  players, Ireland, Bent and Given and then build a new team. But it depend on who is the new manager and his budget and ability to find quality unknowns cheap. I think we need a good shake up.
 

Offline not3bad

  • Member
  • Posts: 12218
  • Location: Back in Brum
  • GM : 15.06.2022
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #99 on: May 15, 2012, 01:12:44 PM »
One of Collins and Dunne, Warnock, Hutton

All the younger players I would give another chance (with the possible exception of the Fonz as he does not seem to be progressing).

Barry Bannan I would like to see given another chance because even in Mcleish's team he linked up well at times with Ireland last season and could come on well under the guidance of a more astute manager.

Offline Concrete John

  • Member
  • Posts: 15175
  • Location: Flying blind on a rocket cycle
  • GM : Mar, 2014
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2012, 01:26:42 PM »
Why do people keep mentioning Herd as a right back?  He's a midfielder that has just filled in there a couple of times!

And was MOTM in at least one of those games at RB

And Stephen Ireland was our player of the season.

Connection?  Not much competition!!

Offline Phil from the upper holte

  • Member
  • Posts: 10142
  • Location: B62
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #101 on: May 15, 2012, 03:51:04 PM »
Didn't Bent sign a 5 year deal? Surely he has 3 left?

Offline tomd2103

  • Member
  • Posts: 15426
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2012, 03:52:58 PM »
I would like to think we would have at least 2 players for every position (3 in the case of GK etc)

But with what we have i would like to see our squad as such

GK x 2

Given (although some stunning saves he also is culpable for some awful in the box defending)
Seigrist (sp) time for him to step up as no 2

RB x 2

Lihaj - 1st choice
Herd

LB x 2

New recruit
Stevens

CB's x 4

Baker
Clarke
Dunne
New recruit

LM x 2

N'Zogbia
A.Nother

RM x 2
Albrighton
A.Nother

CM's x 4
Ireland
Makoun
Gardener
A.Nother - a real "get stuck in" type

Strikers x 2

Bent
Weinmann

Even through the carnage of Eck and the losing of some experienced players - that squad is still better than the position they ended up in

Would agree with most of that assessment.  Personally I am not sold on Lichaj and would prefer to see us bring in more attacking full backs.  I would keep Collins over Dunne and maybe keep Gabby as well.  Apart from that I think the rest is spot on (though you have missed out Holman - I presume he is still coming), though we may need two central midfielders.

Offline adam#1

  • Member
  • Posts: 849
  • Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #103 on: May 15, 2012, 03:59:58 PM »
This is a weird topic. Lerner and Faulkner will look to get rid of anyone on a high salary to clear the books. They'll then provide a few million only to a new manager with the remit to bring in players on low value contracts, or one player on a high value contract.

McLeish was not the only problem at our club. We're back to where we were under Ellis. No money, but only this time ownership that doesn't understand soccer.

Offline hawkeye

  • Member
  • Posts: 8973
  • GM : Jun, 2012
Stay or Go
« Reply #104 on: May 16, 2012, 08:20:44 PM »
For me
Go
Hutton, Nzog, Collins. Dunne Warnock
Stay
Bent Herd Lichaj Gardener Baker Ireland Bannan Weiman Carruthers Given Clarke Guzan Albrighton Delfonso
I can only see those in bold as regulars
Not sure
Gabby
That squad looks very thin

 


SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal