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Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2012, 10:29:09 PM »
The problem we have is that there are problems all over the pitch. We has kids coming through in all positions but none of them has made his position their own. So we could easily spend money and waste it on a player no better than what we have coming through (eg a centre back or back up striker.

But I'd make it the number one priority to get a dominant midfielder in. Perhaps diame

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2012, 11:23:34 PM »
Unless we got 3m or so back for Hutton I'd keep him. He honestly can't be that bad. When Spurs first made the CL he had a great spell at right back and was always good coming forward. That's why his defensive naivety wasn't a surprise but how crap he was with the ball coming forward was.

Offers will be listened to for Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Makoun but getting them out the door will be tricky. As others have said, Bannan, Albrighton and the Fonz have missed the boat at Villa Park I reckon. Delph probably too.

A pacy right sided centre back to partner Clark next season is a priority. Williams at Swansea perhaps. Collins is a pretty solid EPL defender but he has burned his bridges at the club now and we need to bring in players who are able to play a bit. Dunne isn't likely to improve and could well be one we look to move on too.

Gabby and Ireland are obviously talented players but depending on who the new manager is both of them might be used to trade for others. You can't really trust Ireland as he might go AWOL again. Gabby has had 2 seasons of utter crap and won't work with Bent.

Holman will be a good squad player to have but apart from that we need a load of new players just to replace those who have left and those we are looking to move on.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2012, 11:25:58 PM »
Offers will be listened to for Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Makoun but getting them out the door will be tricky. As others have said, Bannan, Albrighton and the Fonz have missed the boat at Villa Park I reckon. Delph probably too.
You don't think it's likely that the new manager might want to have a say in any of this?

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2012, 11:32:17 PM »

The new manager decides who goes, that's a given (sorry)(and definitely not him) but I'd like to keep Makoun. Please, if at all possible and if he fits the new squad's playing purpose and pattern but he's just so good.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2012, 12:07:49 AM »
Offers will be listened to for Warnock, Collins, Dunne, Makoun but getting them out the door will be tricky. As others have said, Bannan, Albrighton and the Fonz have missed the boat at Villa Park I reckon. Delph probably too.
You don't think it's likely that the new manager might want to have a say in any of this?

I think if we get a decent manager he will heed my advice  ;D

Warnock is plainly not good enough. Dunne and Collins are solid defenders but would fit in better at somewhere like Stoke. The others arent good enough either. We need a complete transformation of the playing staff at Villa Park. No matter if Jose Mourinho is enticed from Madrid, there will still be a directive to ship out some of the high earners.

Offline Matt C

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2012, 12:09:06 AM »
Dunne, Collins & Warnock would be my priorities to ship out if we can find takers and while I appreciate the argument he hasn't had enough time, I think we could afford to conceed on Delfouneso too. On top of the players presumably leaving on frees - Guzan, Cuellar & Heskey - plus losing Petrov for the immediate term, I wouldn't be in a rush to ship any more out - we need to start building the squad up with more quality and experience.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2012, 12:39:50 AM »

The new manager decides who goes, that's a given (sorry)(and definitely not him) but I'd like to keep Makoun. Please, if at all possible and if he fits the new squad's playing purpose and pattern but he's just so good.

You're right. I don't care if he can't tackle, I want to see him play football.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2012, 01:18:50 AM »
At least Jenas wont be coming back .

Offline King of the Nørth

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2012, 01:44:05 AM »
You know the only reason I was looking forward to this season was seeing how good the youth actually were. Underwhelming might be the best word to describe.

Whats happened to the Fonz? jesus another luke moore, do these kids not learn?

Bannan? stop trying those chip through balls every damn time it only works on PES. Also what position does he want to play? CM? your having a laugh right?

Delph? Unlucky with injuries, shame. Just one of those I guess. But has been asked to play different role. Seems to been converted to different player to the 1 he wants or excels at being.

Gardner? a Stevie G type player? really? cant see it at moment. Hes supposed to be THE ONE. Isnt he?

Clark? Really like him but needs to decide is he a CD or DM as he does have good technique but do you really trust him playing as a main CB?

Baker? done ok-ish but again would you have him as a main CB? or more importantly who would you rather? Him or Clark? because thats how it seems its gonna be for me.

Only ones that have done better than expected (for me anyway) are Lichaj (shows the spirit we need and would pick him over Hutton as starting RB), Herd (done well under circumstances but wouldnt be more than a sub) and Weimann (would love to see him and Bent Up top next year, could be a good foil).

For a lot of these 'youth' players its last chance saloon for me and someone on the staff has to have the balls to tell them that. Stop fucking around, work hard to win the shirt or you'll be playing lower league football for the rest of your days.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2012, 02:45:28 AM »
Dunne and Warnock would be the first ones I'd ship out on top of the released. Both are poor players and disruptive influences. Collins whilst guilty of being a disruptive influence has been pretty decent this season and if we try to build a whole new defence we might see players struggle to settle in. Collins can be a backup to a new partnership. With Hutton I think there is a better player than we have seen in there and with a proper manager we might see it. He is in the question mark camp for me along with Makoun, Delph, N'Zogbia and a few others who I think should get until January to prove themselves before we ship them out.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2012, 08:01:13 AM »
At least Jenas wont be coming back .

I thought he was good when he came on v Norwich (?). Was unlucky he was injured all season, he could have had the drive from the middle we've lacked.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2012, 08:12:44 AM »
Whoever the new manager is I think we will see a very different and vibrant Villa team next season, the new man will have a nearly clear canvas to start with so can choose to fill those gaps with his own men, we need at least 7 new players I reckon. Him up at Sunderland will probably be dusting off his chequebook as we speak. i am sure he would want Gabby and Dunne.

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2012, 08:17:38 AM »
Funny I play football with a guy from Cameroon and yesterday after out match (Villa-esque performance) I was talking about what a depressing season it was. He said he liked Villa but couldn't believe we bought a rubbish player like Makoun!

All of the 'young' players (as in youth team graduates who aren't first teamers) should stay in my opinion. In fact I'm surprised anyone is willing to write them off and sell them - give them a chance to prove themselves under a new manager.

Funny I work with guys from Kenya and Zimbabwe who are big footie fans and they couldn't believe we'd signed such a good player so cheaply.

Offline Matt Collins

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2012, 08:32:54 AM »
I can't see us getting much for makoun so I'd be in favour o giving him a chance. Any idea how he did on loan? I think he cost Lyon £13m but that he wasn't that popular with fans there.

Agree with the post above about the kids. I'm really not sure who will come through though I have highest hopes for Clark from what I've seen. Herd and lichaj Si possibly the best of all but I'm not convinced either is a top flight player. Though occasionally herd does surprise me.

Gardner? Well it's too early to judge. He's still better than his bro was at the same age and he's done ok. But he doesn't look to be quite the phenomenon that I was led to believe. He seems slow for a start, which is a problem for a centre midfielder.

Not ready to quite give up on bannan or delph yet. I've seen enough from both to think they're worth persisting with. It could suit both players, plus Ireland, of we played a proper 433 a la Swansea next year (not that all 3 would play at the same time).

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Re: Who should we sell?
« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2012, 08:33:05 AM »
    1 Given - Keep
    22 Guzan - Gone
    33 Marshall - Sell

Defenders

    2 Hutton - Sell (not sure where he'd go)
    3 Warnock - Sell. He's looked better in the middle but I think he needs to go. Been poor for too long.
    5 Dunne - Keep. He's the best of our defenders.
    6 Collins - Sell. Had a few good games when Dunne was out, but he's part of the reason we're shit from corners.
    21 Clark - Keep. Start at Centre Back.
    24 Cuellar - Gone. Overrated.
    29 Stevens - Keep. Backup.
    30 Lichaj - Keep. Backup.
    32 Baker - Keep. Backup.

Midfielders

    7 Ireland - Keep. With a more positive manager I think he'll be a star player.
    8 Jenas - Gone.
   17    Makoun - Keep. Give him another shot.
   16 Delph - Keep. Backup centre midfielder. Nothing more.
    10 N'Zogbia - Keep. With a full preseason and a better manager he'll be a better player. Needs to work harder.
    12 Albrighton - Keep. Backup winger. Never got the form back from the start of 10/11. One trick pony, needs to work on his game.
    19 Petrov - Not sure what to say here really.
    25 Bannan - Sell. Don't rate him. Tries to be too fancy without even looking half the time.
    31 Herd - Keep. Hard working utility man.
    38 Gardner- Keep. One for the future. Could have a big role to play next season

Forwards

    9 Bent - Keep. Let's create chances and he'll put them away (most of the time)
    11 Agbonlahor - Sell. Fed up of him.
    14 Delfouneso - Sell. Not going to make it.
    18 Heskey - Gone
    26 Weimann  - Keep. Should be in the side ahead of Gabby.

 


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