Aston Villa v Bolton Wanderers Post-Match Thread

[NOSEINPEACE]

as per the name no wind up but as an unfortunate who had to suffer the ginger fool for nigh on 3 bloody years couldn't help but look on in amazement at the replies here, simply change the colour scheme and date and go back a year and it's almost exactly the same accusations levelled at him by the more discerning Blues fans.

Seriously I'm all for banter but imo no football fan deserves this guy in charge of their team so genuinely understand the pain and not here to pour petrol on the fire.

A couple of things, it's hard to say how you'd fare in the championship without knowing exactly what you've got to work with but my inclination is you'd piss it, however, if by some miracle he isn't sacked ( and remember we weren't going to sack him even after he'd took us down for the second time  ) then prepare for more miserable footy on the field even if you win the divison. The year he bought us back up was atrocious in terms of quality and should have dispelled any doubts then ( sadly it didn't for some of us ) when even with arguably the divisions strongest squad he still played defensive long ball fayre, as a Blues fan whose seen his fair share of promotions and relegations, that promotion under McLeish ranks down there with some of the poorest relegations, it's got sweet F.A to do with what he has at his disposal, it's in his DNA to be negative.

Saw the second half tonight, trust me, it wasn't even close to Blues against Fulham last season, a fair result in that game would have been 8 or 9 nil to the cottagers and Andy Johnson was grinning in disbelief at the shambolic nature of our side that day, you haven't got that low yet, you weren't good but you t least tried, we completely surrendered that day.

A lot of Blues fans currently think we might be better off not going up as it may force Carson to sell, in that vein, though it seems 99 per cent want ging out, what would you prefer given a straight choice of only two options, going down and ging out, or him keeping you up and satrting next season in charge ?

[Chris Harte]

I think the gig is up for Villa.

We had most of the game for the first hour. Hit the bar, hit the post, cut out chances.

Then we scored - and it was no-more than we deserved.

Then they kicked off and got a penalty. Sat in the Lower Holte, I don't know what happened, or if it was the correct decision. They scored. We kicked off and within a minute they scored what looked like a tap-in.

We didn't recover from that punch in the guts, and I don't think we will over the next three games. Teams below us will catch us because we don't have another result in us.

Many had reservations when this manager was appointed, but I doubt many of us actually realised just how cataclismicly bad a decision by Mr Lerner it actually would be.

[Pete3206]

Millwall away anyone?

[PaulWinch again]

It is his fault though, because everything he has done has lead to this point. He may not have physically conceded the penalty, but he has destroyed every player's confidence.

[olaftab]

Tonight's defeat is not McLeish's fault. He didn't tell Cuellar an experienced defender to make a clumsy challenge. He didn't tell them to panic behind belief to let the second in. It is entirely McLeish's fault that we are where we are at this stage in the season.
Slowly but surely he is taking us down. Small Heath had 38 points with 5 games to go and were relegated on 39 points.
IT IS A FRIGHTENING  STAT!

[Greg N'Ash]

Didn't learn the lesson from the sunderland game and went for it. Should have shut up shop and gone for a draw but he's listening to the fans now. fuck attacking football, i want to stay up. now we may have to go for it and i'm not sure we can.

[paulcomben]

Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV

Do your son a favour. Encourage him to study law or accountancy and hence rugby and cricket. If he must like football, ManUre or post-Fergie glory hunter equivalent. If he must like Villa, prepare him for a life of disappointment by encouraging skills in signing on or van driving or sucking up American entrepreneur bullshit.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Spot on. The lack of leaders on the pitch has been an issue for ages. Robbie Keane stood out like a sore thumb for that very reason.

I love Cuellar but Captain material??? He wouldn't say boo to a goose.

[charleeco7]

Played well first half and should have scored at least one of the chances. Heskey had a good game until he came off. The game changed when they brought on Davis who held the ball up and won a few free kicks. Our midfield then started to get over run and it was men against boys. Thought he should have changed it then as you could see we were all over the shop, even though we scored.

Cant say I can blame the thousands who were chanting for him to go but IMO doesnt help a team who are low on confidence.

We just dont seem to have any leaders on the pitch, the bench or in the boardroom. Rudderless ship and sinking fast.

[Des Little]

Millwall away anyone?

Can't wait

[VILLA MOLE]

Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.

congratulations on your baby avoid names like Alex or Randy

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV

Do your son a favour. Encourage him to study law or accountancy and hence rugby and cricket. If he must like football, ManUre or post-Fergie glory hunter equivalent. If he must like Villa, prepare him for a life of disappointment by encouraging skills in signing on or van driving or sucking up American entrepreneur bullshit.

Fuck that, get him to pick a league 2 side. Anything can happen down there.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

An absolutely scandalous home defeat tonight on a par with losing 1-0 to Preston in 1968 and 2-0 to Watford in 1969. We actually finally escaped after the first but got relegated the next season after the second.
When a team can not only snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but achieve it within a couple of minutes you know things are rotten to the core. If we do escape it will be because of some sudden event in a game, such is the nature of football, a team is all over us and we suddenly go up the other end and get a lucky break. Or maybe QPR or Wigan have a terrible run and lose every game and do not catch us.
What I can absolutely categorically guarantee is that Alex Mcleish will not be capable of improving the teams level of performance in the last 3 games so that we are the better team in a game and then deservedly win the game. On that basis he should simply be dismissed first thing tomorrow morning. He is a liability and a distraction to the most important matter which is to simply find a way of acquiring some points in the final 3 games.
 

[Chris Harte]

Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.

Congrats, Nasty. There *is* more to life than football.

[Apyadg]

Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.

How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?

Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?

They've been booed off the pitch more times than I can remember this season.

Ideally, people would just stop buying tickets. I know it's not that popular, but attendances are already at around 32-33k every week, if they dropped to below 30,000, maybe it'd send a message.